In my post on Joe Sobran’s passing, I included this quote from Joe:
Jewish control of the major media in the media age makes the enforced silence both paradoxical and paralyzing. Survival in public life requires that you know all about it, but never refer to it. A hypocritical etiquette forces us to pretend that the Jews are powerless victims; and if you don’t respect their victimhood, they’ll destroy you. It’s a phenomenal display not of wickedness, really, but of fierce ethnocentrism, a sort of furtive racial superpatriotism. (Sobran 1996a, 3)
A current example that illustrates exactly this is the firing of Rick Sanchez from CNN for saying the following about Jews as victims:
Very powerless people… [snickers] He’s such a minority, I mean, you know [sarcastically]… Please, what are you kidding? … I’m telling you that everybody who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart, and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart, and to imply that somehow they — the people in this country who are Jewish — are an oppressed minority? Yeah. [sarcastically]
This is the offending section of the interview:
So the scenario is exactly as Joe Sobran described it. Deep down you must be fully aware of Jewish power, but public utterances must pledge allegiance to the idea that Jews are powerless victims. Don’t mention the fact that “a lot of people who run [CNN and] all the other networks are a lot like [Jon] Stewart” — that they are Jews with immense power, able to shape public discourse on everything of importance. Never mention the obvious fact that Jews are a very large component of the elite in the US and throughout the West. And if you don’t go along with the “Jews as powerless victims” idea, then Jews will destroy you.
Powerless victims with the power to destroy their enemies. And that’s exactly what happened.
Facing the Future as a Minority
Trouble in diversity land? How will the Jews – victims by definition and exploiters in action – respond to an increasing diverse America where their status as victim is swamped by many millions of other self declared victims?
Hispanics have fully zero guilt towards the Jews. Should be fun to watch (from Ireland – I’m returning home, from where by grandfather came).
I may have encountered Sobran many years ago too. As I remember it, he started contributing to the National Review when he was a teenager in the 1960′s.
William F. Buckley fooled many of us for many years. Buckley was self -serving, affected, and he was proof that the term “Irish intellectual” is an oxymoron. LOL.
When Buckley silenced Sobran at the behest of the Jews, it should be remembered that the Irish Roman Catholic politician Buckley was silencing his own co-religionist Sobran. An act that the Roman Catholics politicians in general, and those in Congress in particular, have raised to an art form.
Btw, if Sanchez has any non-White in him, it is probably back in Spain. LOL.
To add further perspective, the Sanchez show, “Rick’s List” was this struggling network’s MOST WATCHED show on Thursday nights. See
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/the-scoreboard-thursday-september-30_b33378
second table.
This was expensive for CNN
The world is changing (in some small way) and this is proof. An ethnic minority MSM personality gets fired for comments about jews. That means it’s on everyone’s mind, not just TOO or Cesspool bloggers. AND everyone’s getting upset about it. A good thing, though I’m sorry Sanchez had to lose his job.
Notice that the big NEWS (not blog) headlines all say “Sanchez fired for calling Jon Stewart a bigot,” NOT “Sanchez fired for comments about jews.”
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Want to get non-committal everyday whites thinking about jewish power in America? Ask them this question: “What percentage of the American population is jewish?”
They’ll answer “10%”, “20%” or more because of the prevalence of jews in the media and movies. Keep in mind, to these unaware, non-thinking whites, jews in the movies are Woody Allen, Jerry Lewis, Adam Sandler, Seinfeld, etc…very obvious jews. They’re not even counting the Lauren Bacalls, Goldie Hawns, Sean Penns, Katie Courics and Daniel Day-Lewis’s who’s origins are so cryptic that few people think of them as jews. And then there’s all the behind the scenes people they don’t see.
Tell these non-thinking whites that only two-and-a-half percent of Americans are jewish, and see what happens…they’ll think you’re wrong or lying at first, but it will eventually sink in.
To the average white American, jewish wealth and power is something akin to an urban legend – they know there’s some truth to it, but it COULDN’T really be as bad as people like Henry Ford used to say.
Now, tell your dumb white friends that 75% of all Ivy league University presidents and provosts are jewish (from the TOO blog) and that ONE THIRD of (disclosed)US foreign aid goes to benefit Israel and see what happens. Okay, okay, they’ll probably just shrug and go watch the Superbowl or NBA playoffs, but at least you’ve planted a seed.
The whiny, self-righteous Jew arguing with Sanchez is a little puddle of puke, to the extent that I’m having difficulty holding down my lunch after listening to him.
It’s unbelievable that these rapacious self-dealing pity-partiers can write a script casting themselves as the world’s preeminent perpetual victims and then viciously destroy the livelihood of anyone microscopically deviating from it despite its palpable absurdity. It seems that they simply will not rest until they are condemned by their own hands and lips. They barely deserve the air they breathe, let alone the lion’s share of this world’s goods. Yet empty-headed non-Jews stupidly tune into their criminal misrepresentations for news and entertainment.
The Curse of the Founders is upon the bureaucratic ho-bags who let the public airwaves be monopolized and polluted by a pack of known liars hostile to everything for which this country once stood. (But of course, the liars now have almost all of the money, and that’s what our “leaders” and “representatives” really care about after all … even if it means that they should be hanged for treason.)
This Sanchez was always a condom to them, and I think he just went past his expiry. Plenty of other guys like him waiting to fill his post. The people who never loose work are the cousins who know other cousins married to other cousins etc.
It’s a phenomenal display not of wickedness, really, but of fierce ethnocentrism, a sort of furtive racial superpatriotism.
Semantics. The main salient effect of this superpatriotism is to allow Ashkenazis to do whatever they want, including much wickedness, and deceive themselves into a perpetual state of grace.
There comes a point where lack of introspection becomes wickedness, and Ashkenazis collectively passed that point a long time ago.
Though I agree, it’s a mistake to gloss over these subtleties and skip right to calling Ashkenazis “wicked,” since their self-deception, an essential characteristic, gets lost in the shuffle.
Jews = media market-dominant minorities
FYI, I just heard that Sanchez’ antagonist in the above clip is one Pete Dominick, some lickspittle wannabe political comedian of the Jon Stewart ilk who essentially seized an opportunity to burn Sanchez’ career to the ground in an apparent effort to curry favor with his Jewish masters.
Dominick doesn’t appear to be Jewish himself; he just tries to sound like a Jew in order to get ahead in the industry. To quote Wikipedia: “He describes himself as an agnostic atheist whenever relevant subjects arise, a view point he described arriving at ‘around 1996 or 1997,’ leaving behind the Catholic beliefs he had grown up with.”
Since the phrase “agnostic atheist” is an oxymoron, we’ll have to assume that Dominick is a moron plain and simple. Poor Sanchez…just a rung on the ladder to stardom for this insignificant little race traitor.
But as they say in Hollyweird, that’s showbiz!
I was also surprised by Dominick’s reaction at first…it was as if he was speaking in defence of some indigent cripple who couldn’t stand up for himself (and taking the art of shill-dom to new levels.)
Upon reflection, I think it’s possible he was in panic level survival mode…trying to create as much distance between himself and Sanchez as he could because he knew where all of this was heading. Establishing himself as a combatant (and hero) early on in the discussion was a strategy that helped him, but unfortunately hurt Sanchez because the specifically jewish comments didn’t come out until later.
Dominick is not a very nice person.
@EURODEL. Not only do the “Liars” now have “almost all of the money”, they have been diligent, over the centuries, in in the task of usurpation of the sovereign power of money creation. This fact provides the key to understanding how the depredations of this benighted swarm has; through manipulation of the economies of the world, via the magic of fractional reserve banking, brought us all to the brink of social chaos, moral decrepitude, and economic collapse.
Jim: “I think it’s possible he [Dominick] was in panic level survival mode…trying to create as much distance between himself and Sanchez as he could because he knew where all of this was heading.”
Of course. But he was the one who brought up Stewart’s nonsensical Jewish “victimhood” and then made no attempt to redirect when Sanchez reacted honestly. As the host, he could at least have used a bit of early deflection – neither agreeing nor disagreeing with Sanchez, but quickly shifting to another point of discussion – instead of being confrontational and rushing to cast himself in the role of “Valiant Defender of Judaic Victimhood”. He’s clearly an opportunistic little rat. (Of course, Sanchez is himself wont to play the race card of Hispanic victimhood, and he should have known that you can’t do that without paying due homage to the Ultimate Victims of All Time.)
3D: “Not only do the “Liars” now have “almost all of the money”, they have been diligent, over the centuries, in the task of usurpation of the sovereign power of money creation.”
Yes, that’s why Jewish international bankers have almost all the money. Essentially, they got it by issuing money directly to themselves while collecting usurious interest from those actually compelled to work for it.
Names like Rothschild, Schiff, and Warburg figure prominently in the scam, but these Jewish crooks had plenty of help. The Catholic Church, for example, forbade usury to Christians but tolerated it from Jews (thus handing them exactly what they needed to take over the economy), and in 1913, President Woodrow Wilson and the craven US Congress meekly handed them complete economic control of the United States of America, and near-complete control of the world economy, by caving into their demand for the establishment of the US Federal Reserve.
Those who talk about “going back in time and shooting Hitler” would do humanity a far greater favor by shooting one or two corrupt popes and/or a few cowardly politicians.
Captainchaos: No more than political descriptor “center-right” is (re “the phrase ‘agnostic atheist’ is an oxymoron”).
Wrong, Cap’n. “Center” and “right” are positions on a continuum with a smooth series of gradations between them. “Agnostic” and “atheist” are not connected in this way. Instead, they fall on opposite sides of a discrete distinction,
“belief” (atheism) | “no belief” (agnosticism)
One either DOES believe in the nonexistence of God (atheism), or one DOES NOT believe in (either) the (existence or) nonexistence of God (agnosticism). This two-valued logical distinction prevents a smooth transformation between “atheism” and “agnosticism”, and this makes their identification or coupling an oxymoron.
Kratos says:
October 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM
“This Sanchez was always a condom to them…”
LOL. That’s great. I’ve never heard that one. Did you make that one, or have I missed an important phrase that characterizes those minority squawkers who do their handler’s “dirty work? so that said handler remains clean?” Mike
Though related more to Edmund Connelly’s article on Rick Sanchez and the Jews, I couldn’t help but notice how utterly arrogant Jews like Joel Stein are. He thinks whites are totally incapable of providing good culture and entertainment.
“Stein ended his column by saying, ‘As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood. Without us, you’d be flipping between ‘The 700 Club’ and ‘Davey and Goliath’ on TV all day.’”
But then again, this is not the first time we have heard Jews like him get bloated with their opinions of themselves. As Svigor says, “There comes a point where lack of introspection becomes wickedness, and Ashkenazis collectively passed that point a long time ago.”
” As the host, he [Dominick] could at least have used a bit of early deflection …”
Yeah, Dominick went fishing…and he landed a big one. The whole slimey mess reminds me what we used to hear about the Soviet Union when I was a kid – betraying someone to the authorities by screaming “TRAITOR” in a crowd and pointing an accusing finger. The more enthusiasm you displayed as a whistle blower, the better for you.
Okay, so the current tally is Mel Gibson and Rick Sanchez. Who’s next?
The Sobran quote reminds me of a Dalrymple quote:
“Dalrymple: Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”
(http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=7445)
By invoking fear of speaking the truth, a bit of us dies. One fault of contemporary whites seems to be they prefer the humiliation of silence over the shame of public truth. I doubt this is native/inborn as our fathers certainly were unafraid.
Mike
Being unfamiliar with Rick Sanchez I cannot render an opinion as to whether is the 15 watt bulb that many have been saying. But if he is, the question arises as to whether it is a Jewish strategy when in positions of power to only promote dumb goys for the purposes of destroying the self esteem of young non-Jews, creating a pliable buffer between themselves and Others, and setting up a convenient fall guy for when their schemes go awry. Just asking.
Edmund Connelly: Rick Sanchez on Jewish Media Power
“I think that qualifies perfectly as an example of Sobran’s paradox on Jewish power”
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SOBRAN’S PARADOX; I like that. That’s a neat expression and we should popularise it as it has a certain “Catch 22″ cachet about it.
In Joe’s own words;
SOBRAN’S PARADOX;
“Jews are powerless victims; and if you don’t respect their victimhood, they’ll destroy you”
Rick Sanchez being shown his place is at the back of the queue in the West’s End great show. “THE MAN” has just pulled his seat away in what proved to be his musical chair nightmare.
The “Who’s Who” in the premier league of victimology is firmly set in Stone so to speak.
Some people who are/were victims of Sobran’s Paradox including Joe himself will “live” with us for as long as the resistance movement lives and some will be just shooting stars.
Let us help Joe haunt them from beyond his grave. Undead but definitely not a zombie!…is that another paradox?
Its funny, I always imagined he was some Spanish-branch tribesman of the Great Diaspora. First things first, It would be prudent to determine his ancestry. If Ole ‘Salter is right, we need to looks at his particular list of Forebears. If he proves out European, it does tend to indicate a general appreciation of Jewish power and influence, especially in the media, where he competes. Overall, I find it encouraging, and hopefully – not isolated.
GG
Rick Sanchez on Jewish Media Power
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Connelly-Rick-Sanchez-Jews-Media-Power.html
“Stein ended his column by saying, ‘As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood. Without us, you’d be flipping between ‘The 700 Club’ and ‘Davey and Goliath’ on TV all day.’” Joel Stein
How utterly arrogant. Yet, this typifies perfectly why they’re so universally despised. Other countries seem to have put out some great entertainment without them, why does this schmekel think without them we’d be unable to do the same? Plus, I doubt Chaucer, Dryden or Shakespeare or Faulkner were really named Lipschitz, Goldblatt, Edelstein or Posner. We of the Anglo-Saxon heritage did quite well without them and we’ll do just fine when they hightail it to their new host.
America does need to know about their accomplishments. Without them teenage pregnancy wouldn’t now be through the roof, abortion rampant, the porn industry wouldn’t be worth billions a year in America alone and we’d still have respect for our heritage and traditions. Those four things alone have cost more than all the “entertainment” they’ve brought us for the last hundred years.
From RussiaToday: Massive Israeli manipulation of US media exposed
Files declassified in America have revealed covert public relations and lobbying activities of Israel in the U.S. The National Archive made the documents public following a Senate investigation. They suggest Israel has been trying to shape media coverage of issues it regards as important.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kureFeGmoDI&feature=player_embedded
Maybe Rick Sanchez is a fan and has read Joe Sobran.
Could be.
FeminizedWesternMale: “When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity.”
This isn’t just a property of communist propaganda, but of propaganda generally. For example, in the West, people lose their sense of race when they are forced to repeat the lie that race doesn’t matter; that all men are brothers. Of course, this is a lie that has been encouraged by Christianity, and it depends for its persistence not on external force, but on an internal wish to believe. Like Santa Claus, the idea of equality brings a smile to the face of rich and poor, the foolish and the wise, and black and White alike. Even individuals who are smart enough to realize that it’s not true think that it should be, and smile along with the rest.
FeminizedWesternMale: “By invoking fear of speaking the truth, a bit of us dies. One fault of contemporary whites seems to be they prefer the humiliation of silence over the shame of public truth. I doubt this is native/inborn as our fathers certainly were unafraid.”
This is how the system is adapting human beings to itself; it’s evolution in action. Which young White man has the better reproductive chances: the one who flies into a rage and kills a negro who has put his arm around an attractive White woman, or one who smiles at them benignly, even approvingly, and tries to make friends? Men like Thomas Jefferson or Andrew Jackson wouldn’t last more than a few days if they had to witness what we endure every day. They’d be dragged off to jail and murdered in short order.
Evil that knows no end, the tribe goes on and on!
Jim says that too many whites believe that there are far more jews in the US than there really are, but the flip side is that too many whites still believe the 2% nonsense which comes from the jews themselves. Do some math on your own and you’ll see jews are 6% to 8% of the US population. No exaggeration. The jews claim 6.7 million or whatever as their total number in the US. There are more than that in CA, more than that in the state of NY. And you deniers know this is the truth.
When are we going to see the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) file claims against the media companies for too wildly disproportinate a number of Jews in top positions?
@Phil: When pigs fly. Kevin M
“Without us [Jews], you’d be flipping between ‘The 700 Club’ and ‘Davey and Goliath’ on TV all day.”
– Joel Stein
Without the non-Jews who invented the movie camera and television, where would the Hollywood Jews be?
DjView said:
“…but the flip side is that too many whites still believe the 2% nonsense which comes from the jews themselves…”
Any census figure in the U.S. can only come from self-identification – people who want to identify with their ethnic group or religion. In any population, there are those who DON’T wish to be identified with their ethnic group. I suspect that most of your 6% figure, however, would include mixed heritage jews raised outside of judaism. These jews TEND ( remember, I said TEND) not to be the agenda driven, AIPAC joining, israel first jews. I’ve had friends who had some jewish ancestory 2 or 3 generations back, and some hated jews.
Regardless, the strength of jewish power does NOT come from numbers…jews were only about than 1% of the population in pre-nazi/WW2 Germany, yet still dominated society to the point that gentiles put Hitler in power to deal with them (a horrible decision, in my opinion.) In 1938, after FIVE YEARS of persecution and proberty confiscation by the Nazis, jews STILL owned 50% of the real estate in Germany.
Jews (in modern times) have never seen population numbers as the key to their strength.
i meant “property”
“For example, in the West, people lose their sense of race when they are forced to repeat the lie that race doesn’t matter; that all men are brothers. Of course, this is a lie that has been encouraged by Christianity, and it depends for its persistence not on external force, but on an internal wish to believe.”
Just to expand a bit on this in re l’affaire Sanchez, there are two very interesting, and opposing, psychological dynamics at work here. First, we note that Sanchez got in trouble for speaking too plainly. This is a common human failing, isn’t it? There is something delicious about saying exactly what one thinks; it’s a pleasure very hard to resist, and over and over again we see people succumbing to this temptation. The missteps made by Michael Richards, Mel Gibson, Oliver Stone, indeed, even KMD’s travails, are still other instances of it. But in the society of liars that modern life has become, as the Sanchez affair demonstrates again, no one is in more trouble or more vulnerable to attack than the honest man. In Darwinian terms, we may speculate that it is perhaps with the objective of exposing this weakness and eliminating it that our society encourages everyone to be honest. From childhood on up, one hears a thousand times: “Honesty is the best policy”. ;-) Well, not always, it seems. If, as KMD says, the best liars are self-deceived, then it is probably also true that the most perfectly-adapted society of liars will evince the greatest hypocritical attachment to honesty.
The other dynamic is what I touch on above when I observe that the system is re-writing human genetics to better accord with itself. How better to create a society of liars, or of tame cowards who will tolerate seeing their race destroyed, than by punishing honesty, and by rewarding race-mixing? And yet, that is precisely the transformation that has taken place. This is Nietzsche’s slave morality, the morality promoted by Christianity. Because a slave is one who fears to speak the truth, and so does not, a free man becomes a slave by accepting this morality. To this end, the importance of making the subject himself repeat the lie over and over again cannot be overestimated. “All men are equal in the sight of God”; “all men are brothers” (or should be). When the immoral (i.e., the lie) finally becomes the moral, when everyone everywhere believes the lie and condemns the truth, then we have the utter corruption that is the greatest triumph of Christianity.
Similarly, a brave man becomes a coward by backing down over and over again; a racist becomes indifferent to race by being forced to act as though it were true that race makes no difference, and do so again and again, even if he does not at first believe it. A system of rewards and punishments to encourage this is set up among the liars. Those Whites with strong attachment to their own race, who put their racism into practice, are punished. Those with minimal attachment, who act to destroy their race, are rewarded. The nail that sticks up is hammered down, or even thrown away.
Thus, to manufacture lying, anti-racist cowards, and to shift human genetics in favor of them, is the business of modern life. In the history of the West, Christianity is the technique that has been adopted to bring this about. The goal is to alter human nature, to make it more compatible with the requirements of technological civilization. In this it has succeeded, and succeeds incrementally more every day.
@Der Weisse Engel: the problem comes when the majority of a society’s members see that it has little left to lose by rising up against the elites. (So Joel Stein shouldn’t be too complacent and had better keep his Israeli passport current.)
After 9/11 Netanyahu waxed that we were all Israelis. The way the United States and the world are headed soon we will all be Palestinians.
“The way the United States and the world are headed soon we will all be Palestinians.”
Correction: “The way the United States and the world are headed soon MOST OF US will be Palestinians.”
Der weiße Engel says:
October 5, 2010 at 11:53 AM
This is Nietzsche’s slave morality, the morality promoted by Christianity. Because a slave is one who fears to speak the truth, and so does not, a free man becomes a slave by accepting this morality.
“The stupidity, at bottom the degenerate instinct, which today is the cause of all stupidities, rests in the fact that there is a worker problem at all. There are certain questions that one does not ask: number one imperative of the instinct. I quite fail to see what we wish to do with the European worker once he has become a problem. The worker is faring far too well not gradually to start asking more questions and to ask them less modestly. In the last resort he has the strength of numbers in his favour. We have said good-bye to the hope that here a humble and contented kind of man, a Chinese type might form an emergent class: and that would have made sense, and would have been a downright necessity. But what have we done? Everything to nip in the bud even the first requirement — through the most irresponsible thoughtlessness, we have killed outright the instincts enabling the worker to exist as a class, enabling the worker himself to exist. We have taught him military efficiency and given him the coalition right and the political vote: so why be surprised if now the worker is already regarding his condition as a deprived one (in moral terms, an injustice)? But I ask once more: what is it we want? If we have some end in view we must also wish for the means. If it is slaves we want, we are fools to raise them as masters.”
Friedrich Nietzsche: The Twilight of the Idols
So much for Nietzsche.
“If it is slaves we want, we are fools to raise them as masters.”
Right. The fact is, from the viewpoint of a normal (working-class) White person, Nietzsche’s attitude is nearly indistinguishable from that of a parasitic Jew, and Big Jew is devoted to the spirit of Nietzschean philosophy. They both believe in slavery, they both believe in European slavery in particular, and neither has ever done an honest day’s physical labor in his entire pampered, worthless life. They’re “too intelligent” for that. ;-)
Look at the modern world. It’s being run into the ground by effete parasites who sit in plush aeries all day shuffling papers, giving orders, and gabbing on the telephone, encouraged by soi-disant “intellectuals” whose main occupation is the destruction of White Christian culture. As any fool can plainly see, such people are of no value to society and thus utterly expendable. At the very least, they need to be yanked out of their easy chairs and have a shovel or a wrench placed in their soft little hands. They need to spend some time in the field and the factory and on the construction site, working their muscles and doing something useful for a change.
The present social order wouldn’t be so bad if such people were the intellectual giants they tacitly claim to be. But the vast majority – almost 100% – are not. When many Whites look up, all they see are intellectual inferiors with bad attitudes and too much cologne. Being regarded as “slaves” by such people is a comical reversal of the order of things, as everyone would quickly learn if the bottom fell out and people actually had to ensure their own survival. These perfumed bigshots would be beggars, and those who they regard as working class “slaves” would be kings.
Perhaps a little Christianity might teach these Nietzschean “men of importance” the humility they so desperately need.
Such an oppressed minority ! http://www.JEWISHTRIBALREVIEW.org http://www.STENCHofZION.wordpress.com http://www.MASKofZION.com
I think Nietzsche’s point in the above quote is not a celebration or a commendation of slave morality, but merely pointing to it as a source of subversion, in the modern world just as in the ancient world. Yet, what sort of morality should Christians and other born slaves have, if not a slave morality? It’s a good question. Those who can, do. Those who can’t, become Christians, and suffer what they must. According to Nietzsche, slave morality occurs in reaction to the master. The whole point of slave morality is to subvert the master; to make him weak too. To observe this is not to take a position either way, merely to state that this is an eternal, dyadic struggle. Notice also he says “IF it is slaves we want…” IF. In the context of the entirety of Nietzsche’s philosophy, I see the quoted passage more as a warning, not a recommendation.
A informative précis of this question can be found here:
What Nietzsche clearly meant was this. IF, within the German people, there is to be a distinction between masters (Ubermenschen) and those who serve them (Untermenschen, “workers”, “slaves”), then the slaves should not be treated as masters.
In Nietzsche’s philosophy, the distinction between overman and underman, master and slave, is central to human existence and therefore ubiquitous, and thus surely exists within the German people. Under perfect competition, German society would necessarily stratify into an overclass and an underclass like any other society. Indeed, given the existence of the German working class, stratification has already occurred; since German workers serve their employers instead of asserting mastery over them, Nietzsche considers them essentially slavish despite any belated pretensions to dominance they might unwisely, by “the most irresponsible thoughtlessness”, be allowed to develop.
Thus, given that “it is slaves we want” is directly implied by Nietzsche’s absurd pretensions to overman status despite the reality that he was merely a delicate little intellectual, the attached “IF” is merely pro forma. Considering himself an overman, he desires mastery over slaves, and the German working class quite naturally fills the bill. Nietzsche’s opinion is thus nearly identical to that of an exploitative Jew; his belief that the German working class should be treated as slaves by “overmen” like himself differs from that of the Jews only as to the racial composition of the master-class … whether it is to consist of Germans or Jews.
But from the viewpoint of the German working class itself, this makes very little material difference, as in either case they will be relegated to inferior status and suffer all the abuse thereby entailed. And this is what Nietzsche, sickly runt and aspiring big shot wrapped up in one contradictory and very Jewish-looking package, wished upon his fellow Germans. A very good (and often entirely unmerited) deal for the big shots; not necessarily so good a deal for Germans in general.
Christianity or no, this is how it usually works out. In nearly every society, the strong – or at least those who (often falsely) *appear* strong – dominate the weak. The social value of compassion, and thus of the core principles of Christianity considered apart from their bureaucratic interpretation, is simply to ensure that the lives of the weak are not rendered intolerable by this state of affairs. After all, a happy worker is a productive worker, and a productive society is arguably a happier one (or at least a potentially more powerful one, which Nietzsche obviously considered quite important even if his philosophy is thereby prevented from scaling properly).
If desired, one may now go on to consider how the group interests of Germans are better served if German slaves have only German masters, a situation perhaps less likely to encourage miscegenation and loss of racial identity. But one would be hard pressed to establish that the racial interest of Germans was what Nietzsche had in mind when he voiced this opinion.
Good points.
And let’s take a closer look at who those Übermensch may be:
“[T]hey thirst for some place where they can be settled, permitted, respected at last and where they can put an end to the nomadic life, the “wandering Jew”–; and this urge and impulse (which in itself perhaps already reveals a slackening of the Jewish instincts) should be carefully noted and accommodated–in which case it might be practical and appropriate to throw the anti-Semitic hooligans out of the country….
It would clearly be unproblematic for the stronger and more strongly delineated types of new Germanism (the officers of noble rank from the Mark [Brandenburg] for instance) to get involved with them: and it would be very interesting to see whether the genius of fortune and fortitude (and above all some spirit and spiritedness, which are in very short supply in the place just mentioned–) could not be added into, bred into, the hereditary art of commanding and obeying–both of which are classic features of the Mark these days.”
Friedrich Nietzsche: Beyond Good Evil (Ch. 251)
Small wonder that got Lawrence Auster salivating:
http://amnation.com/vfr/archives/009262.html
(check out the bottom comment)
So what we have here:
An Über-mischling Class
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A Class of high-performing (but slavish) Chinese-like people
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Steve Sailer & Lawrence Auster’s wet dream!
Hmmm…
The Nietzscheian Utopia looks suspiciously like the present Dystopia =p
These attacks on Nietzsche’s character, using the Jewish technique of refuting an argument by impugning the motives of the one making it, are very ironic, coming as they do from two alleged anti-Semites. But of course, the attacks come from practiced fantasists of the Christian variety, circumsized in the hearts, so they themselves have motives which may be impugned. And anyway, what does it matter if Nietzsche lacked a clear understanding of the importance of race, and may have only imperfectly realized, if he realized it at all, that Jews were not White? Next, you will be faulting him for not discovering DNA. In the late 19th century, what is clear to us now about race, in the light of subsequent discoveries, was not so clear back then. He was a philosopher, not a biologist.
Yes, it’s certainly true that societies stratify. This fact appears to flow from the structure of reality; what is excellent is always difficult and rare, and this is true of people as well as things. Both intelligence and character seem to follow a Gaussian distribution, and this has consequences. The resulting stratification of society into elite and non-elite classes can be a source of constant turmoil, or a try can be made for a steady state. In the quote, Nietzsche appears to favor KMD’s solution of a steady state of “hierarchic harmony” for European society, perhaps alluding to that characteristic of the Middle Ages, or (more likely what he meant) old, pre-Christian Rome.
There is in this passage a latent protest against modernity; a protest against technique. I think he sensed, with an expert’s prescience, where the accumulation of applied technique, which was just beginning to become apparent during his time, must wind up in the end; that it had essentially Bolshevik, democratizing implications that would necessarily pull down the strong. Again, I interpret his comment as being just an observation and a warning, not necessarily hortatory or grandiose on Nietzsche’s part. Those who don’t approve of Nietzsche’s depiction of reality, because they feel they must defend their rabbi Jeebus, may attack him as they will. He’s big enough to take it.
“Those who don’t approve of Nietzsche’s depiction of reality, because they feel they must defend their rabbi Jeebus, may attack him as they will. He’s big enough to take it.”
Most of us here have come to expect this poster to respond with the fiercest conviction to comments he appears not to have read, ignoring points that were made and attacking points that were not. The formula seems to go something like this: he looks at the name of the author, scans the comment for expected buzzwords, and forces it into a mental script matching those found. Then he rebuts with the canned response he finds mentally stapled to the script, laced with a few of what he evidently considers to be choice insults including bold accusations of cardiac circumcision.
In this case, for example, he glanced at a pair of comments and saw the words (e.g.) “Nietzsche”, “Jew”, “Christianity”, “race”, and “miscegenation”. Therefore, ignoring the precise manner in which these words were connected, he immediately fired off a canned response to the effect that any disapproval of Nietzsche by these particular authors can only be attributable to their damnable regard for “Jeebus the Jew”, and furthermore, that Nietzsche occupied a prophetic state of general agreement with Kevin MacDonald. So there!
But actually, the comments to which he is responding make the points that Nietzsche was apparently more of a Jew-lover than Christ ever was – he even went so far as to suggest miscegenation between Jews and Germany’s finest – and that the Jews, being devotees of Nietzsche’s master-slave philosophy, plainly love Nietzsche a far more than they ever loved Christ. In short, Nietzsche might as well have been one of the Jews that this poster claims to despise.
Nothing like getting things completely ass-backwards just to show you’re paying attention.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101008/ap_on_en_tv/us_tv_sanchez
Gee, and some people were probably hoping that Sanchez had finally awakened to the evil all around him and decided to stand up for truth and justice before losing his soul completely!
But no such miracle occurred. Sanchez has now proven to the world that he deserves exactly what he got – he thoughtlessly bit the hand that fed him even while wanting to continue being fed by it – and that he deserves no sympathy whatsoever from those he’s selling down the river (all the rest of us).
But that was always the most likely scenario, since unless that’s the kind of person one is, one doesn’t get the kind of job CNN gave Sanchez in the first place.
One thing Sanchez did accomplish, however: he magnanimously provided a big career boost to another little rat, Pete Dominick. (Maybe the whole thing was planned in advance over beer and pizza, in which case one has to wonder what Sanchez got out of the deal other than a load in his mouth.)
You know, I’ve noticed something over the years: every time I hear somebody try to rationalize problematical behavior by saying he had plans with his kid(s) and didn’t want to disappoint the poor little darling(s), he turns out to be a prize idiot just like Sanchez here. It’s got to be an argument for eugenics.
The impetus for Rick Sanchez’s rant seems to be that Stewart told some joke in which he called Sanchez a twit. This kind of name calling that passes as humor is not funny at all and is in fact hurtful and childish yet Stewart gets a big contract and lots of dough. I personally find a lot of Jewish humor to be aggressive and hurtful too and on this point, I sympathize with Sanchez.
On the other hand, the reason Sanchez did not rise higher in his career is not due to his not being Jewish or to his being Hispanic. The reason he did not rise higher is that he fails to project an air of seriousness and intelligence. He is in no way in the same class as Cronkite, Brinkley, or even Peter Jennings.
I am from South Florida, where he worked for years, and I can tell you that the man was booed at a professional football game by an audience that was presumably almost entirely non-Jewish. He was regarded as rather silly by nearly everyone, Jewish or non-Jewish. My father, who spent his childhood on a farm without electricity or indoor plumbing, often said “He has an ego as big as a house.” During his tenure at a Miami station, the station was the butt of numerous jokes, some of them absolutely obscene. He and his female co-anchor were nicknamed Rowdy Rick and Silly Sally.
It has been my experience that most Jews have a basic sense of fairness and will reward genuine excellence. This is not to say that there are no Jews who are ruthless ethnic chauvinists but I really do believe that if Sanchez had been worthy of a higher position, he would have gotten it.
@ Charlotta G.: “Jews have a basic sense of fairness and will reward genuine excellence.” Only if one is genuinely excellent at being a shabbatz goy. Cf. all the non-Jewish Jew-stooges in media-land, Washington District of Corruption, etc. On the other hand, if you are genuinely excellent at telling the truth about everything, including the Jewish issue – cf. Joe Sobran – they will destroy you.