Philip Weiss expressed his surprise that “liberal” rabbis would support buying products produced at a West Bank settlement. Of course, this is not too surprising, and one of his readers called him on it. In the reader’s experience, there are plenty of rabbis who are
progressive on issues such as labor, immigration, environment, capital punishment, etc. … They say they feel for the plight of the Palestinians, but when it comes to any real challenge to the status quo, such as BDS in any form, they are not to be found. Their voices during the Lebanon and Gaza invasions were there in mild, but very mild, criticism. They spend most of their time on the Middle East “reaching out to our Muslim brothers.” I must say they are very supportive of Muslim groups and Islamic mosques when it comes to anti-Muslim discrimination. But, there is an unstated and sometimes stated price for these folks to pay, which is “be gentle on Israel, be critical of certain measures, such as house demolitions, but be understanding in general.”
Since I work with the same Muslim groups, going back several years ago I found their deference to their “liberal Jewish friends who are so supportive of us” to be very frustrating. But, fortunately, these are not foolish people and they have now seen the ploy. As a result, while interfaith dialogue between liberal Jewish clergy and Muslims still exists, it is pretty much window dressing and Muslim groups are much more outspoken on Palestinian issues. But, in conclusion, liberal/progressive Jewish clergy in the LA area set back support for Palestinian rights like Wiesenthal Center, ADL and AIPAC never could; and I believe that was their role.
In my experience, it’s the same with secular Jewish academics: constantly reaching out to all non-White groups, including Muslims, and advocating all things multi-cultural. Paragons of tolerance and moral uplift, they are quick to make minor criticisms of Israel but never suggest that the US government or American Jews abandon their support for Israel or seriously question the settlement project. Their goal is to seek Muslim cooperation in the assault on White America while channeling Muslim outrage at Israel to manageable levels. In faculty email debates, the Jewish professors do all the talking, while their Muslim colleagues defer to them. So there were no peeps of protest by the Muslims when the Jewish activist professors ignored my suggestion that they channel all that moral outrage at intolerance, violations of human rights, and ethnic cleansing by directing their activism at changing policy in Israel.
People like Weiss and organizations like J Street function to give Judaism a softer veneer that is consistent with post-racial, multicultural America without having any effective influence on the “ethnocentric arrogance” at the heart of Judaism or even lessening the support of the Israel Lobby for Israel as an apartheid, racialist state. Yet liberal Jews with many of the same beliefs as Weiss are the main bulwark of the left in America that has so successfully pathologized any sense of ethnocentrism by Whites — and only Whites.
The fact that Juan Williams was immediately fired by NPR (headed by Chief Executive Vivian Schiller and Ellen Weiss, head of the news division) for saying he was afraid to fly on a plane with Muslims is yet another example of liberal Jews showing their commitment to the alliance with Muslims in multicultural America. But don’t expect them to become seriously critical of Israel.
Weiss’s commentator contrasts organizations like the ADL with liberal rabbis. But they are as one when it comes to supporting Muslims as part of the non-White coalition. Here’s Abe Foxman cataloging all the ways that the ADL supports the political and cultural aims of Muslims in America. The only difference between liberal Jews and the ADL is that the ADL can’t find any fault with Israel.
So the overall picture is that Jews have a good cop/bad cop thing going: Criticism of Israel is performed within very narrow boundaries with liberal Jews careful not to upset the basic status quo in Israel or the relationship between Israel and the US, while Foxman and the ADL legitimize the hard line ethnic cleansing policies in the mainstream media and in political process.
And all sides join together in the crusade against White America.
Facing the Future as a Minority
Was the Immigration Act of 1924 Illiberal?
The pictur of the petultimate Jewish Liberals.
Z ionist Patsy Adam Gadahn Calls For Terror Attacks In Multiple Cities
October 24, 2010 by Alex
Editors Note: Adam Gadahn, the grandson of former Anti-Defamation League board member Carl K. Pearlman, is a complete patsy, trained by rogue elements of the Mossad to help further the fraudulent war on terror. The ADL was caught spying on the United States in 1993 and openly works for the interests of Zionist Israel.
Sadly, most people refuse to do the little research that it takes to realize that this is no conspiracy theory. Our government funded/created Al Qaeda. This is open knowledge that cannot be debunked.
Associated Press
CAIRO — A U.S.-born spokesman for al-Qaida on Saturday urged Muslims living in the United States and Europe to carry out attacks there, calling it a duty and an obligation.
In a 48-minute video posted on militant websites, Adam Gadahn directed his appeal to Muslim immigrants in what he called the “miserable suburbs” of Paris, London and Detroit, as well as those traveling to the West to study or work.
“It is the duty of everyone who is sincere in his desire to defend Islam and Muslims today, to take the initiative to perform the individual obligation of jihad … by striking the Zio-Crusader interests,” he said, referring to Western and Jewish interests.
Gadahn, who has been hunted by the FBI since 2004, also sought to discredit attempts by moderate Muslim leaders to suppress the “jihadi awakening.”
“…. is yet another example of liberal Jews showing their commitment to the alliance with Muslims in multicultural America.”
It is really, really hard to believe that comment.
“..commitment to …Muslims”? Commitment to anyone outside the tribe????
This is a question to Prof MacDonald, a little off topic:
Sir, did you read the book “Shadow Elite” ? If yes, what do you think ? Is it worth reading or a waste of money and time ? Thank you a lot. A reader of yours from Italy
Sorry, but I haven’t read that one. Sounds interesting. Kevin M
I don’t agree with Thomas Dalton’s acid test of sincerity which seems to be the denial of Jewish Holocaust deaths of 6 million ( or in the millions).
His suggestion that the leading ‘Jew critical of the Jewish state’ should be confronted on this issue is seriously misguided fron a nationalist viewpoint. That argument ( which loses sympathy in all quarters) does nothing to stop stop White displacement and dispossession.
This behavior can be expressed from another angle. The Leninist principle of becoming the opposition is also in play here. The idea is to displace the true opposition with cow birds. It allows the jewish media to interview only jews which prevents potentially untrusted goyim from reaching the public and ever developing media presence and credibility. All the experts have to be jewish. Exclusion of others is always the tribe’s tool of choice.
Once again KMacD cuts through the chaff to get at the heart of serpentine Jewish machinations.
I agree that many liberal Jews engage in bad faith with regard to Israel. They mildly criticize the country while doing little or nothing in the way of supporting actual action.
The attack by Thomas Dalton on Norman Finkelstein, though, is spurious. Dalton tries to have it both ways. If Dalton really believes what he says, then why does he not think that Finkelstein is a “plant”? Finkelstein has sacrificed his academic career over the Palestinian issue. He supports the United Nations and international consensus on a two-state solution along Israel’s pre-1967 borders, which the majority of Palestinians support. Dalton’s real problem with Finkelstein seems to be that he is not a Holocaust denier.
Kevin MacDonald said:
“People like Weiss and organizations like J Street function to give Judaism a softer veneer that is consistent with post-racial, multicultural America without having any effective influence on the “ethnocentric arrogance” at the heart of Judaism or even lessening the support of the Israel Lobby for Israel as an apartheid, racialist state…So the overall picture is that Jews have a good cop/bad cop thing going…”
Martin Luther said (in 1543):
“If they [jews] do perform some good deed, you may rest assured that they are not prompted by love, nor is it done with your benefit in mind. Since they are compelled to live among us, they do this for reasons of expediency; but their heart remains and is as I have described it.”
and…
“A person who is unacquainted with the devil might wonder why they are so particularly hostile toward Christians. They have no reason to act this way, since we show them every kindness. They live among us, enjoy our shield and protection, they use our country and our highways, our markets and streets. Meanwhile our princes and rulers sit there and snore with mouths hanging open and permit the Jews to take, steal, and rob from their open money bags and treasures whatever they want. That is, they let the Jews, by means of their usury, skin and fleece them and their subjects and make them beggars with their own money.”
Yes, and maybe in light of all this those on this site that have a knee-jerk reaction of defending Muslims at every turn should reconsider their position. There tends to be a lot of sympathy expressed for the Palestinians due to mistreatment by Israelis, but for the most part this is not honestly due to a concern for Palestine, it is a way to bash Israel and Jews. It is good to point out the hypocrisy of Jews and Israel, but we don’t need to act like Palestinians or Muslims are our great buddies.
“Yes, and maybe in light of all this those on this site that have a knee-jerk reaction of defending Muslims at every turn should reconsider their position.”
Who defends Muslims at every turn?
And yes, in the long run it may be natural for most groups, Jewish, Hispanic, Black and Muslim to work against Whites (even if they aren’t crazy about each other). They all want a multicultural America, i.e. a non-White dominated America.
However, I wonder at what point they realize their own standard of living will drop without a dominant White population? Whites make up a huge population of productive citizens that provide the substrate for all the other groups to operate and thrive in. But when the diminishment of Whites reaches a critical point, there will be long term economic decline, which ironically enough may reduce Jewish power, in comparison to the Asians, especially the Chinese.
Phil – there has been a lot of sympathy expressed for the plight of Palestinians that I suspect would never happen if their opponents weren’t Israeli. Like I said, it’s good to point out the double standard, and even use it for propaganda purposes, but let’s not start thinking that the Palestinians or Muslims are harmless to Whites. If everyone gets that, great.
I don’t see a Palestinian in the occupied territories as harmful to me.
Phil – Yeah there are lots of oppressed people around the world that are not harmful to you, but we don’t talk about them much. We do talk about Palestinians. Again, that is fine if it is done for propaganda purposes, just don’t forget they aren’t really naturall allies.
And actually, I wouldn’t go so far as saying Arafat and his ilk are harmless to you.
“And actually, I wouldn’t go so far as saying Arafat and his ilk are harmless to you.”
I would.
Phil – They may not be as harmless as you think, I mean the terrorists among them. Arafat’s Black September group killed an American ambassador back in 1973 named Cleo Noel as well as a a couple of other Americans that were murdered at the same time.
I recognize the kind of controlled opposition that Dr. MacDonald describes, but neither Weiss nor Finkelstein qualify. They are both outliers, and Finkelstein has gone entirely rogue.
I don’t think one needs to spend too much time investigating Norman Finkelstein’s work to see that his motive is genuine rage at corruption and injustice in the Holocaust industry and Israel respectively. Indeed, his fury is so great that it often undermines his own arguments. I couldn’t even finish *Beyond Chutzpah* because I felt I was being bludgeoned to death.
Weiss is likewise a genuine progressive leftist. I read his blog regularly when I was investigating US Middle East policy. He just happens not to be a hypocrite.
Both of these figures are quite left-wing, and get most of their support from anti-Zionist Jews and Muslims. Neither of these groups is part of the US right’s natural constituency.
The real controlled opposition is found among the neocons, who adopt the form of patriotic conservatives (often attempting to conflate American patriotism with Zionism) while maintaining an essentially left-wing outlook and agenda..
“Yes, and maybe in light of all this those on this site that have a knee-jerk reaction of defending Muslims at every turn should reconsider their position. There tends to be a lot of sympathy expressed for the Palestinians due to mistreatment by Israelis, but for the most part this is not honestly due to a concern for Palestine, it is a way to bash Israel and Jews. It is good to point out the hypocrisy of Jews and Israel, but we don’t need to act like Palestinians or Muslims are our great buddies.”
Moslems haven’t forgotten the Crusades, and I doubt they ever will. I think they know an alliance of convenience when they see one.
And how many Americans have the Israelis killed since 1973, Mr. Maylor?
I don’t really see attacks on the American elite who inflicting harm on people abroad as attacks on me.
@ Jim
I don’t think that there was an early Christian author who didn’t write against the Jews. :) Luther follows in that tradition.
Oh, arthurdecco Israel has caused the direct deaths of Americans in the attack on the USS Liberty and the indirect death of thousands more through involvement in wars.
OK Phil, well the same people who only attack American elites will also be likely to attack regular Americans when they have a chance. I’m just saying there is no need to romanticize the Palestinians. It’s like people that romanticize the early Native Americans, not because they love them, but because it’s a way of attacking Whites.
Muslims are not a great threat. If we were allowed to define ourselves as a people and defend who we are, the Muslim threat could be easily dealt with. They don’t hide. Just look for the folks kneeling in the street on carpets. Our weakness is not in not being able to see the threat, but the battle we have already lost in being able to define a threat, instead of having it being defined for us. There is a massive cultural blockage. We are unable to define ourselves in any meaningful way. And muslims are not the ones who have “undefined” us. The Muslims are a side issue. The very real and present danger is a gross inability to find our cultural and historical ass with both hands. We’ve been plucked and left by the side of the road. In our weakened state we are more easily directed to the secondary threat. We need to keep our eyes on the prize. And it ain’t wearing a turban. Sorry.
Veterans Today has a story generating a lot of buzz about Al Qaeda’s current spokesman being based in Israel.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/10/24/gordon-duff-gadahn-call-to-attack-americans-comes-from-israel/
Any Israel-first trolls at TOO might want to head over there and try to dominate the (very active) comments section.
For the most part Muslims just aren’t as smart as Jews, so they don’t represent the same kind of threat. And their method of attack is pretty blunt to be sure. Muslims wouldn’t be much of a threat to our culture, except we are left open and unprotected due to political correctness and open immigration – for reasons we understand – and this so Muslims can be seen as a kind of opportunistic threat that preys on a weak body.
It’s interesting that conflicts aren’t always just a numbers game. The English were able to dominate huge numbers of brown people all over the world far outstripping their numbers when they had a culture that supported that kind of activity and the brains to back it up. So Whites cannot be counted out even if our numbers fall.
Want to know why Luther raged against the Jews? Because they talked him into getting them a New Testament, that they would convert if they could read the written word. And they didn’t! What a shocker! DUUUHHHH.
Is the Israel-first troll comment directed at me? After I have pointed out all the problems Israel has caused the United States? Simply pointing out that Muslims and Palestinians are not little kittens does not make a person an Israel-firster. It just means it good to keep perspective.
Now the site you reference, Veteran’s Today is interesting. It bills itself as
“Veterans Today is a journal representing the position of members of the military and veteran community in areas of national security, geopolitical stability and domestic policy.”
So they certainly sound like an official veteran’s organization of some kind. It seems odd that most of the major stories on the front page are about the evil of Israel and Jews. I was not aware that most veteran’s organizations carried stories like “ISRAEL IS THE MOST IMMEDIATE THREAT TO THE FUTURE OF THE PLANET”.
Are they associated with VFW?
Tom:
I recently read that Luther’s call for the the destruction of jews, though sincere, wasn’t quite as brutal as modern historians imply. The truth is, most people convicted of religious heresy (contempt for Christianity) in the 15th century Europe were burned at the stake. This included the few remaining pagans and witches, as well as unrepentant atheists. Growing numbers of influential Protestants were also killed.
Jews, on the other hand, were largely exempt from punishment. The jews killed during the Spanish Inquisition were mostly converts to Christianity. The unconverted were safe. Luther was just saying, in effect: Punish them like you punish the rest of us…they’re far more dangerous.
Is the Israel-first troll comment directed at me?
Yes.
Simply pointing out that Muslims and Palestinians are not little kittens does not make a person an Israel-firster. It just means it good to keep perspective.
Muslims and Palestinians, like black-animist Sudanese, are not our allies, I agree. That said, they also don’t control the media, Hollywood, both political parties in the U.S., most of Wall Street, and have 3 Supreme Court Justices. They are not a proven, powerful, anti-White force in media, education, and politics in the U.S.
Are they associated with VFW?
How the heck should I know? And even if I did know, I’m not going to do your research for you. Try to put out your own fires.
I’m not on fire Murphy, no fires to put out. So how exactly am I an “Israel-firster”? Was it pointing out that Israelis killed US servicemen on the USS Liberty? Was it the referring to American deaths due to wars pushed for by the Israeli lobby? Seems a bit critical of Israel.
No, it’s probably because I said, hey fellas, the Palestinians aren’t all that great and we shouldn’t romanticize them. Now it is absolutely true that the nature and magnitude of the threat coming from some Jews is different from that coming from some Muslims. Basically we wouldn’t have the problem with the later if it wasn’t for the former.
I’m not on fire Murphy, no fires to put out.
I didn’t state that you were on fire, and the fire I referenced was obviously metaphorical. Anyone concerned with anti-Semitism, would be hard-pressed not to notice its spread on the internet. Like wildfire you might say, if you preferred similes.
Its plain enough to me that you’re attempting to moderate and manage the discussion here by leading us ever-so-gently to a more pro-Jewish position. How ironic, eh? But please, go on…
Is “anti-Semitism” really spreading on the internet? To be honest that seems more like a made up SPLC charge than a reality. They say things like that to raise money. The American people in general have always been, and continue to be, pretty friendly to Jews.
Look, I just think it’s good if we develop a vocabulary that allows us to be taken seriously in the real world. If it was just a matter of hurling ethnic slurs then the KKK would have won long ago. No one here does that, but it’s good to remember that type of approach fails.
As far as nudging anyone, the key is to introduce new concepts and perspectives into the mainstream culture that can influence White behavior. Educated Whites will be moved by things that have a lot of evidence behind them AND appear to come from a fairly benevolent place. It’s just reality. I don’t really buy the whole “Man is totally irrational” thing.
And just why do some of you insist on calling yourselves “anti-Semites”? It is more or less a strange concept that was made up to discourage any analysis of Jewish behavior. That is why we don’t hear much about anti-Germanics or anti-Anglos as pejoratives. I’m pretty sure Dr. MacDonald has criticized the legitimacy of that term.
Which brings us to another interesting question … just who are you that insist on using that term to describe yourself and this site? Or you truly on our side or are you working to discredit this site?
Hmmmm
“The modern approach is to stake out the opposition’s turf, or to plant a ’soft’ opponent. I doubt that Norman is a plant, but he serves the same purpose: a nice, safe, credible ‘critic’ of Zionism who knows his limits, and doesn’t go too far.”
Norman Finkelstein, of all people, a “soft” opponent?? That deserves a big “LOL”.
If they start attacking people such as me, then I’ll worry about it.
“Our government funded/created Al Qaeda. This is open knowledge that cannot be debunked”
Does this go back to when Reagan and the CIA were supporting resistance to the Soviet Union by groups inside Afganistan?
Is “anti-Semitism” really spreading on the internet?
I honestly think it is, based on the number of sites and their tone. No, it won’t directly impact real-world conditions, but I think it’s a good indicator, likely correlated to increasing detachment from Jewish-controlled, anti-White media.
Look, I just think it’s good if we develop a vocabulary that allows us to be taken seriously in the real world. If it was just a matter of hurling ethnic slurs then the KKK would have won long ago. No one here does that, but it’s good to remember that type of approach fails.
I think of sites like TOO as our goyische equivalent of a schvitz, where we can let it all hang out (and even then we don’t use slurs). But it strengthens our resolve to be more racially conscious, even if implicitly, in the real world.
As far as nudging anyone, the key is to introduce new concepts and perspectives into the mainstream culture that can influence White behavior.
Well, that’s the Tea Party, right?
Educated Whites will be moved by things that have a lot of evidence behind them AND appear to come from a fairly benevolent place.
I think sites like TOO are gaining traction among educated White Americans, and I think that trend will increase as anti-White trends increase.
And just why do some of you insist on calling yourselves “anti-Semites”?
Who here called themselves an anti-Semite? I certainly didn’t. Whether one likes the term or not, thinks its a misnomer or not, it’s the accepted term. And one can note one’s divergent interests from those of Jews without frothing at the mouth with vitriol. I think that’s the better way to go about pursuing one’s divergent-from-Jews’ interests, although it might still earn one the title of “anti-Semite”, viz. Dr. MacDonald, Pat Buchanan, et al.
Jeff Maylor: “Educated Whites will be moved by things that have a lot of evidence behind them AND appear to come from a fairly benevolent place.”
If that were true, then KMD’s trilogy would be required reading in every college and university in America.
Jeff Maylor: “It’s just reality. I don’t really buy the whole “Man is totally irrational” thing.”
As William Pierce pointed out, in comparison to the crowd, independent, rational thinkers are always a tiny minority. In an ideal society, it’s those few who are in charge and lead the rest. By contrast, it’s been known at least since Le Bon that the crowd is essentially feminine, moved solely by its emotions. It doesn’t reason at all. Whatever “reason” the common people display is just a simulacrum. The only use they have for it is as an excuse to justify courses of action that satisfy their emotional needs; e.g., voting for a Marxist negro for President, or waging wars of aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan. The great achievement of the Jews and modern technological civilization has been to make the White race into a headless beast; or more precisely, to replace its goyische Kopf with a Jewish one.
Murphy, it was Praxis who described MacDonald as an anti-semite in the 911 blog and comments.
“Praxis says:
October 24, 2010 at 8:16 PM
MacDonald is an anti-Semite.”
When I challenged him on that he seemed to imply I didn’t have the moral courage to be known as one. Not sure where he was coming from.
Murphy, it was Praxis who described MacDonald as an anti-semite in the 911 blog and comments.
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When I challenged him on that he seemed to imply I didn’t have the moral courage to be known as one. Not sure where he was coming from.
A Pat Buchanan will demur at being called an anti-Semite, a Joe Sobran (rest in peace) will embrace the term and create discursive space around it. For professional reasons, I keep much of my politics private outside a close circle lest I be branded a modern-day witch myself. Dr. MacDonald advocates for equal protection under the law for White Americans, and rightly points out the primarily Jewish origin and maintenance of unequal protection for non-Jewish Whites in the U.S. Is that anti-Semitic? If so, then that’s semantics.
Der weiße Engel, well it can take time for new ideas to supplant old ones, especially controversial claims that undermine entrenched power. The modern version of continental drift was put forward in early 1900s but didn’t gain acceptance until the 1960s. The Freudian movement basically set psychology back 100 years, but a strong move in favor a more realistic psychology has been developing for the last few decades.
I know that most masses in history have behaved like cattle (maybe I’m a bit harsh), but I would say that not all populations are the same. If you get the right set of White middle class people together they can be remarkably rational (not always). But anyway, most modern American Whites have no desire to be seen acting like some mass undulating under the sway of a demagogue. No matter how irrational they may be, they don’t want to be seen as acting irrational. So they need something that at least appears to justifies their desires.
Murphy, well I would say that it is absolutely not anti-Semitic to advocate for equal rights for Whites. I understand that is the slur made by enemies of Whites, but it is simply not factual. There is no factual basis for defining the assertion of one’s rights as being primarily against some other group. I would be for White rights even if Jews didn’t exist. I wouldn’t define my rights as anti-Hispanic either, no matter how much power they gain in the future.
If people go around thinking they are “anti-Semitic” because they question a nation’s foreign policy or the behavior of a powerful group, I think it they have it all wrong and are putting themselves in a kind of intellectual ghetto that is self-limiting. At least the Left and others use the phrase Anti-Zionist which is more than just semantics.
And I understand that people use all kinds of phrases in private conversations and I don’t think they should be held accountable for them. But this whole blogging and commenting thing is a private conversation that is viewable by the public.
Jeff,
Pointing out the Jewish role in anti-White laws and media will likely result in being labeled an anti-Semite. I don’t know of any way around that. The choices are whether to mention the Jewish role, and if so whether to own or reject the label of “anti-Semite”, and whether to respond with an accusation of “anti-White”.
I don’t think I’m anti-Semitic. There are Jews that I respect and admire for their accomplishments. However the current state of affairs is that their group interests conflict with my group interests. I don’t begrudge Jews their hard work and success, but I recognize the role of ethnic nepotism in their ascendancy while ruthlessly prosecuting any instance of the same among Whites. Similarly for Blacks, I don’t begrudge them their successes, but I’m against affirmative action as explicitly anti-White discrimination. FYI, I don’t consider myself anti-Semitic or racist for preferring the company of my ethnic and racial kin, but unlike Jews and Blacks, I’m open to those accusations for precisely those reasons.
And I understand that people use all kinds of phrases in private conversations and I don’t think they should be held accountable for them. But this whole blogging and commenting thing is a private conversation that is viewable by the public.
That’s a legitimate view. Should we take the Buchanan line and demur when we’re accused of anti-Semitism, rather than attempting to own and shape the term? What’s in it for us?
These diaspora “liberal” jews have to take care of both issues: 1) their ethnocentric allegiance to Israel which can be disguised through tempered and relatively mild criticism of its policies, 2) their personal interests as citizens of another country, the US, Britain, France etc. which means promoting multiculturalism in those countries and forming alliances with the other minorities against the native majority – and that includes muslims too, of course. Philip Weiss, for example, was all in favor of the Ground Zero mosque, promoting the “islamophobia is the new antisemitism” brouhaha.
I totally agree which is why I find people like Phil Weiss, Noam Chomsky, Glenn Greewald and Paul Gottfried so very slimy. At least Bibi Netan (the) yahoo is honest in his contempt, I can respect that at least a little.
I should make it clear though that our fight is not with the Muslims, they are being brought in and pitted against us, just as the Latinos are and the Asians. Our focus should be on the ring masters, the ticket sellers, the tribe.
Emotional arguments are successful in swaying most people which is why the holocaust is brought up time and time again and southern slavery as well (Dr. Darkmoon understands this). And why people avoid saying what they see for fear of being called anit-semitic or racist.
Weiss is doing the best he can after all those years of being fed ‘the chosen’ propaganda. Sometimes he has moments of clarity and other times he’s afraid to see just what he is trying to reconcile in his social group.
While many Jews are intelligent, it difficult to understand why a large majority all feed on this collective paranoia. Although the Holocaust is a big motivator for them, they cant seem to stop their ascent to holding disproportionate power within any nation/state. It’s been witnessed through the centuries prior to the Holocaust or any other chapter of Jewish suffering throughout history.
The wandering ‘Israelites’ have roamed for thousands of years and now they forgot how society functions, which is why Israel is such an ugly disaster. Their collective imagination doesn’t meet the reality of how people perceive their criminal state. To them – the state is some grand restorative lofty dreamlike concept. To the rest of humanity, it’s a common theft and colonization, peddled through religion.
Apropos to Dr. MacD’s comments, there is a piece at Anti-War.com about a good Jew, bad Jew flareup in congress over foreign aid to Israel.
The fast rising star of movement conservatives, Eric Cantor (the “kosher kid”), wants to end all foreign aid like a good conservative but still “help” his brothers in Israel. He would do this through a Pentagon appropriation, cutting out the State Department.
Nita Lowey, a rank ugly liberal Jewess, is firmly opposed to the”kosher kid’s” proposals:
Who will win out? Answer: Israel.
Helvena,
Thank God that someone else finds Paul Gottfried slimy. While saying he defends the West he always manages to find something derogatory to say about White Christians.
@ Jim & others
I recently noticed that Tertullian (born 150 AD) who was the most pro-Jewish of the early Christian writers, wrote a lengthy attack piece on the Jews. :)
“. . . our fight is not with the Muslims, they are being brought in and pitted against us, just as the Latinos are and the Asians. Our focus should be on the ring masters, the ticket sellers, the tribe.”
Just so, Helvena. The only way to effectively disarm the Muslim “threat” is to stop Muslim immigration into the USA, as well as to take no steps whatsoever to encourage those here to feel welcome and, furthermore, to minimize their voice and influence in public affairs to the maximum possible extent. Decent and humane conduct toward individual Muslims, conduct fully consistent with Christian moral principles, need not be equated with the societal suicide that the Zionists are engineering and, with remarkable success, getting white Americans, especially white Christian Americans, to embrace.
Tribe Psychos’s supposed advocacy of acute and stark standards of “moral universalism” where all are treated the same and equal…. well funnily enough they turn out not to be morals universally applied but instead this strict regime is selectively applied exclusively to those Wicked White Wizards living in the lands of the West….. Tribe Psycho … needless to say get a pass…… the Holocaust…… unique….. makes us different don’t you know …. & our friends in the ethnic coalitions we seek to promote ….it doesn’t apply to them either.
“Moral Universalism” has no need to be reciprocated back to Europeans by those of other races.
It just happens to apply in a one-way ticket exclusive deal to countries populated, founded by Europeans, all of whom traveled the long, arduous and winding road to varying degrees of economic success and relatively free & democratic political systems (especially when measured against other races) but now it seems we must bear the burden, exclusively, for all our past and present sins ‘cos we now owe all the other races, especially those of dark hue (tho race be not just skin deep) an obligation of financial cornucopia and superior moral status.
It would be hilarious really if it wasn’t so serious.
It goes without saying that Tribe Psychos’s moral universalism specifically excludes Israel and all it’s butchery past and present.
It is not applied either to those butchers and dictators in the 3rd world especially if they are Sub-saharan.
Even tho every Ethnic regime anywhere in the world has an MO which you could not get further away from MU, unless those Ethnic interests conflict with Israels then never a word will you hear against them.
In many of these lands their women might be little more than have slave-status but all can be forgiven because all Ethnics everywhere have somehow magically been given freedom from universal moral measurement because somehow, somewhere the Wicked White Wizards of the West are responsible for it all.
The Chinese, Koreans or Vietnamese when skinning dogs and cats alive, well the West is responsible for inhumane treatment of animals for their skins ‘cos they kill seals. (Tho the act of clubbing in a cold climate kills the seals and makes the parting from the body much more arduous ) Somehow no matter how barbaric they act in the 3rd world any behaviour will be automatically discounted and effectively disappeared by making derogatory comparisons to a notion of Western collective guilt.
No Ethnic anywhere at anytime is responsible for what they do. It’s all the Wicked White Wizards of the West fault.
This is the pass we have come and most of our “educated” middle-class love to be involved in this as it gives them a warm, feel-good glow cursing through their bodies that by going along with the concept of European collective “guilt” for every imaginable ill of mankind they assuage that guilt in themselves, they are thus in their own minds “saved” so to speak even if not expressed in a formally religious way and they are then able to join up with those poor Ethnic souls in feelings of moral connection with the said ethnics and moral superiority over those in the West who do not share their ridiculous warped morality.
@ Pierre de Craon you have misunderstood me. Did you not understand Our focus should be on… ? I suggest we stop ALL immigration. We’ve got french fries, french bread, french toast, frog’ras, our wines better, and our lads are better lovers, why do we need the French?
Pierre, here you go…and then ask yourself if you would be this brave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUhbTRs5RUU
Some see Islam as a more virile and self-confident religion than what Christianity has become. But from what I see, the Muslims, as the Jews, enjoy being members of the club of victimhood. Whitey can’t join the club because, despite being more welcoming and fair to races and religions other than his own, the club needs an oppressor and that’s Whitey. The oppressor – or past oppressor – has a duty to shower the members of the club of victimhood with money and invite them into his land.
Helvena says:
“Emotional arguments are successful in swaying most people which is why the holocaust is brought up time and time again and southern slavery …”
Helvena, it’s because those things are considered TRUE that they have such emotional impact. They are considered proven in the public mind. Americans, especially White Americans, are not some mass of emotional children that yearn to be dominated by a propagandist. They are basically a nice group of bourgeois people. At least here in America. Logic and evidence go a long way.
Jeff Maylor: “Helvena, it’s because those things are considered TRUE that they have such emotional impact. ”
No, they are considered true because they have been imbued with emotional impact via propaganda techniques.
Jeff Maylor: “They are considered proven in the public mind. ”
Some things may be considered proven, but if they weren’t arrived at using a rational process, this is only another effect of the conditioning.
Jeff Maylor: “Americans, especially White Americans, are not some mass of emotional children that yearn to be dominated by a propagandist.”
So because X is not conscious of being dominated by a propagandist, or will say he doesn’t want to be, he is not dominated? I don’t think you understand very much about propaganda if that’s what you believe.
Jeff Maylor: “Logic and evidence go a long way.”
To set the boundaries of the discussion, to decide what is logical and what is evidence and what is not, and what is important and what is not – that is the true aim of propaganda.
Der weiße Engel the good news is that more and more evidence for human biodiversity is coming out.
There is a growing body of evidence that proves that ethnic differences are real and rooted in genetics and it is even discussed openly by some well known scientists, although at the moment in a very careful manner.
Jonathan Haidt, well known author, has recently said the Bell Curve wars of the 1980s are nothing compared to what is coming, due to the new evidence for ethnic differences:
http://www.edge.org/q2009/q09_4.html#haidt
Steven Pinker, who of course refuses to review MacDonald’s work, none the less states that we are going to have to accept the reality of differences in IQ and behavior due to genes. Simon Baron-Cohen, the autism researcher, has said he had to change his mind about the idea that all populations are the same, that IQ varies and so does behavior. Of course, EO Wilson’s influence continues to grow.
And there are all the great “human biodiversity” and Steve Sailer type sites popping up everywhere that get facts out to people who are interested in the issue.
All this suggests that the acid of science is eating away at the anti-White pseudoscience of Freud and Marx.
I heard you aright, Helvena. I have no quarrel with you or anyone else who wants to effectively close the borders to immigration of any sort. I’d simply like many of those already here to be actively encouraged, in ways short of violence, to leave.
I am sure some Nationalists talk about the abuse of human rights in Israel because they care about Palestinians, but let’s face it Nationalist are not usually doing it for that reason.
Talking about the ethnically orientated policies of Israel is a really good way of showing Jewish anti racism up for what it really is only if it makes the connection between Jewish behaviour in Israel and the Jewish campaign to deligitamize white solidarity behavior in the US (and the West generally).
Just delegitimizing Israel doesn’t help us at all.
“. . .feel-good glow cursing through their bodies. . .”
Jews took over the Palestinian movement in the US and pretend to the world that they and the Palestinians were working together for peace while the Jews were busily hiding 90% of their dirt. They desperately try to share the blame-only time in history I can think of-while in fact, they are the perpetrators of a genocide. There are many quotes from their leadership to this effect.
Part of the agenda was to convert the Palestinian Nationalist movement into a civil rights movement which they, the Jews could control.
It seems to me the Muslims were savvy enough to figure out that pointing the finger of blame to whitey was something they could get away with while blaming the Jews directly for Israel’s atrocities had proven to be a non-starter.
Jeff Maylor: “Der weiße Engel the good news is that more and more evidence for human biodiversity is coming out.”
That’s true, but it’s naive to think that the mere existence of such evidence will change any minds about the desirability of preserving the White race in particular, or the natural category of race generally. Knowing that there are racial differences is an entirely separate issue from wanting to preserve them. In fact, given the anti-racist nature of the sociological status quo, the opposite is almost certainly going to be the case. We see this already in medicine, where genetic deficiencies that are linked with racial differences, such as sickle cell anemia or cystic fibrosis, are targets for treatments. We also see it in human improvement projects such as the Head Start program, in which billions have been wasted trying to increase negro IQ. It could not be more clear that the more that becomes known about racial differences, and the better the tools become that are available to eliminate them, the more fanatic will become the system’s attempts to do so. Once the genetic basis of these differences is thoroughly understood, the system will attempt to optimize performance by destroying them; in fact, the logic of Darwinism will compel it to, since the ethnic conflict in societies that don’t do this will cause them lose out in competition to those which do. The burgeoning field of genetic engineering will soon – certainly within a hundred years or so – provide the system with the perfect tools for doing this. Man will then become a manufactured product, uniform in all ways that are considered important by the system, and genetically standardized according to form and function. See Huxley’s prescient Brave New World for a preview.
@Der weiße Engel and @Jeff
You both make valid points and, as Jews have shown with their multi-channel propaganda techniques (aka good Jew/bad Jew), there is more than one way to skin the cat.
Jeff’s suggestion that educated whites be simply shown what Jews say and write in public and then be invited to imagine what would happen if Whites behaved in this manner is an excellent approach and very useful on internet fora and in casual conversation. It would be very powerful if used in the major media, unfortunately those channels are closed to Whites.
Engel’s emphasis on the importance of propaganda in shaping the discussion is central, and Whites really need to become a great deal more sophisticated in this area. However, without access to major media, our hands are effectively tied.
The real problem is that Jews currently have nothing to fear by continuing their assault on Whites. There is no risk and the rewards are huge. That is what has to change – they need to feel real fear and intimidation again. History has repeatedly shown that without this essential third element, a combined attack against their strategy will fail.
And of course, after ten years of Jewish advice and help, the Palestinian movement has had less than no success, as intended.
Here’s the slimy Paul Gottfried in an article on Vdare (4/21/03) “A Pat on the Head for Jonah!” (http://www.vdare.com/gottfried/fact_checking_notes.htm):
**Assuming that Jonah actually realizes what he has said, I would like to offer him some advice, as a paleoconservative who had no moral objection to the attack on Iraq.**
No moral objection to the attack on Iraq. Of course. Gottfried wants a racially intact Israel and (ostensibly) the same for the U.S., but when the rubber hits the road he only really supports effective policies toward that end for Israel. Removing Saddam was seen as advancing the interests of Israel.
Like Finkelstein, Pauly Bitch is a de facto Jewish Fifth Column. For so many, paleoconservatism is the last stepping stone to while nationalism. But there’s Pauly, uniquely positioned in the American Conservative, American Renaissance, etc. to run interference against the interests of Whites, convincing the stupid white goy that Jews have the same interests as they have.
Tom: “I recently noticed that Tertullian (born 150 AD) who was the most pro-Jewish of the early Christian writers, wrote a lengthy attack piece on the Jews. ”
The problem that the early Church had with the Jews never changed. First, they blamed them for killing their precious rabbi. Second, they insisted the Jews repent the deed and join his racial Death Cult called Christianity. If the Jews had been able to bring themselves to do just those two simple things, they would have been forgiven everything. Neither St. Paul nor Luther nor many of the so-called racists and anti-Semites posting on this very forum could have any problem with a converted Jew; nor a negro, nor any other mud man. White sheep, black sheep, latrino sheep and even the occasional deracinated jewish sheep – Jeebus mixes them all into the same flock. Thus is Christianity anti-racist both by design and in execution. Yet opposed to this, standing as proud and solitary as Satan himself, Jews refuse to give up their racial religion; a religion which is, as Sunic noted in his recent piece on Schopenhauer, really nothing but a war cry, a proclamation of their own racial supremacy. Unlike Whites, Jews are born knowing the power of race, and they won’t be lured into abandoning it by the genocidal blandishments of a renegade rabbi like Jeebus.
“Neither St. Paul nor Luther nor many of the so-called racists and anti-Semites posting on this very forum could have any problem with a converted Jew; nor a negro, nor any other mud man. White sheep, black sheep, latrino sheep and even the occasional deracinated jewish sheep – Jeebus mixes them all into the same flock. Thus is Christianity anti-racist both by design and in execution.”
Only the first sentence is accurate, and it does not support those which follow.
1. That Jews, Blacks, and “mud men” are permitted to convert to Christianity in no way implies that they should be permitted to cross national or genetic boundaries en masse, or that such boundaries should be relaxed, as a function of their conversion.
2. Equivalently, the Christian “flock” can sustain arbitrary genetic and geographic boundaries, as it has done all over the world for the last two thousand years.
3. In light of 1 and 2, no reason exists to suppose that Christianity was “designed” to promote the kind of diversity or multiculturalism that has been forced on us by its sworn enemies.
That various Christian congregations and denominations have been bribed, infiltrated, and corrupted by its enemies merely reflects their established subversive modus operandi, which is in fact antithetical to basic Christian principles.
Perhaps it’s not too much to request a little more accuracy on this issue.
“Thus is Christianity anti-racist both by design and in execution.”
Thou shalt not kill.
Diversity kills.
Imposing diversity makes you an accessory to murder.
The people imposing diversity make absolutely sure that what they do unto others is **not** done unto them.
It is entirely Christian to segregate. Segregating doesn’t prevent helping other people but helping them in their own countries / regions.
Wandrin: “It is entirely Christian to segregate.”
Yeah, yeah. We heard that one before. “REAL” Christians segregate. The problem is, by that standard REAL Christians are only a tiny minority of all Christians. Racial destruction can’t proceed fast enough for most of them, and that’s exactly what you’d expect in a religion that insists that there be no distinction made between races, “neither Jew nor Greek, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
“Yeah, yeah. We heard that one before.”
So? Politics is the repetition of simple messages.