Band of Brothers, the 2001 TV miniseries, was produced by Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks.
Episode 9 was directed by David Frankel and written by John Orloff.
Based on the 1992 book by Stephen E. Ambrose, Band of Brothers. E Company, 506th Regiment, 101st Airborne from Normandy to Hitler’s Eagle Nest, Simon and Schuster (reviewed edition by Pocket Books, 2001).
In ten episodes, Band of Brothers depicts how E (“Easy”) Company, 506th Regiment, 101st Airborne Division, trained in America and England and then fought from D-Day through to the end of the European phase of WWII. It is a technically strong and gripping production. The battle scenes are among the most realistic I have seen, though one must allow for the demands of the cinematic medium — emphasis of a few individuals and spatial compression of combat groups. I am reminded of the grim and gritty street battle sequences in Spielberg’s Saving Private Ryan. This review looks at the ninth episode, which does not depict military conflict but is itself something of a black operation in the culture wars.
As our own Edmund Connelly has repeatedly demonstrated, Jewish interests have frequently been pushed by American television and Hollywood films in various ways, often as a backdrop to stories unrelated to ethnicity, like the omnipresent upper class Anglo twit and the Black genius technical expert. The 9th episode of Band of Brothers, titled “Why We Fight”, represents an unprecedented level of ambition — to claim America’s WWII sacrifices as motivated by the desire to save Jews from Nazi persecution, to make America’s sacrifice in WWII all about the Jews, not about Americans doing their duty in a tragic internecine conflict.
The episode opens with a scene of devastation in the German town of Thalem, on April 11, 1945. There is rubble in the streets and townspeople are cleaning up. A group of relaxed G.I.s looks on from a balcony. An impromptu chamber orchestra of old men is playing a Beethoven dirge.
Then a flash-back: “One month earlier, Sturzelberg, Germany”. The war is as good as over. The Wehrmacht has given up the fight. Roosevelt’s death is announced. There are scenes of looting by officers and men; of a soldier having sex with an enthusiastic blond German girl; of drinking. The bridge over the Rhine at Remagen is announced captured.
The company is still under orders, though the men are beginning to think about life back in the States. The company moves out in convoy. A Jewish G.I. — the only Jewish soldier in the series and in the book — talks about his plans for after the war. “I’m going to find a nice Jewish girl.”
Masses of German POWs march by in orderly ranks. An officer says admiringly that even in defeat the Germans look like soldiers. But the Jewish G.I. sees nothing but objects of hate and contempt, standing up in the vehicle and screaming: “You stupid fascist pigs. . . . You ignorant, servile scum!” [Correction: actually this was Webster, a well educated non-Jew.] This displays a sophisticated vocabulary for someone who we are told in the final episode went back to driving taxis after the War. The scene does not occur in Ambrose’s book.
The company drives past a scene of summary executions of three uniformed Germans, who are kicked out of a building, made to kneel, then unceremoniously shot in the head, blood spraying. Their killers then begin to go through pockets. The killers are also uniformed but are not Americans or British. Perhaps Czech troops. The troops of Easy Company are shocked by the murders. They look down grimly, except for the Jewish G.I., who smiles.
A patrol in a forest near Landsberg in Bavaria discovers a concentration camp full of starving prisoners. (A 21-minute clip, including the concentration camp material, is available here.) The 101st did in fact liberate a camp in the area. The Jewish G.I. is the company’s translator. He translates the words of an inmate being interviewed by the commander. This is a work camp for Jews, pause, and Gypsies. [Correction: the literal quote is: "Jews, Jews, Jews, . . . Poles, Gypsies."] The scene in Ambrose’s book does not mention Jews or Gypsies. It is described as a work camp (pp. 262–263).
A survivor identifies camp inmates as "Jews...and Gypsies"
German civilians in the local town deny any knowledge of the camp but they are not believed by the G.I.s. Food is requisitioned from the local town, from a bakery. We see a fat baker complaining as his entire stock is removed without explanation or payment. In Ambrose’s book there is no such character. Instead an officer finds a store of cheese and has it distributed to the camp inmates without incident (p. 262).
Whether or not there was a baker, the way he is presented is an exemplary propaganda construct of the cheapest Hollywood films. His jiggling neck and self righteous possessiveness stands for all German civilians in the town who, we are led to assume, must have known of the camp. It is implied that they remained knowingly well fed while the Jews starved. An officer threatens the baker with his pistol and accuses him of knowing about the camp. The baker’s unpleasant appearance is another example of Spielberg using hackneyed propaganda technique. It is not enough that a person do wrong. He must also wear a black hat and waxed mustachio.
The G.I.s begin to feed the camp inmates but a doctor warns of the danger of overeating following starvation. The inmates must remain in the camp under medical supervision. The Jewish G.I. is ordered to make the announcement, which he does reluctantly because he knows how much the inmates desire to be free at last. After making the announcement and pleading with the inmates he collapses in tears.
The next day all able-bodied German civilians are ordered to clean up the camp. The scenes of the cleanup are disturbing, as townspeople wade among the corpses.
Camp inmates as depicted in Band of Brothers
The wife of a German general, seen earlier in her home facing down an American looter, is now seen pulling at bodies, humbled and distraught.
Flash forward to the episode’s start date, 11 April. Hitler’s death is reported. The company receives new orders: to occupy Berchtesgaden, Hitler’s mountain retreat.
The closing message of the episode reads: “These camps were part of the Nazi attempt to effect the ‘Final Solution’ to the ‘Jewish Question’”.
In fact these were work camps for building jet fighters. As the book states: “It was a work camp, not an extermination camp.” The film makes no mention of the POWs from Russia, Italy and other countries, German communists and homosexuals who also suffered at the hands of the Nazis. Spielberg’s film and many others like it steal the memory of the camps and the sufferings of many nations and relabel them “Jewish property”. This is an obvious lapse of scholarly standards in deference to Jewish sentiment.
The next caption reads: “Between 1942 and 1945 five million ethnic minorities and six million Jews were murdered — many of them in the camps.”
This again distinguishes Jewish suffering inside and outside the camp system. It implies that Jews were not an ethnic minority, which is incorrect. And it omits the ethnic majorities in Slavic lands who suffered inside and outside the camps. The high death toll among Polish and Russian civilians during the War is deemed unworthy of mention in Spielberg’s film. If the forced labour of Jews was an act of genocide, why not pay respects to the Russian, Ukrainian, and Polish nations? [Correction: The episode writer, John Orloff, points out that not all inmates' uniforms feature the yellow star. This realistic detail attests to sound research. But why do the captions tell a different story?]
The episode claims the forced work camps for Jewish victimhood. Its lies and distortions must have been deliberate because the script was read by experts. This is a work of black propaganda that exploits fine acting and technical wizardry.
Who did Spielberg choose to direct and write the episode? With David Frankel as director and John Orloff as writer it has the appearance of complete ethnic vertical integration. Was nothing left to chance? The other executive producer was Tom Hanks, not a Jew. But he would have been no counterweight to Spielberg’s ethnic dedication. Hanks is a typical tame Hollywood WASP who has done nothing for his people, produced no equivalent of Schindler’s List.
Spielberg: Film as ethnic propaganda: The cemetery scene emphasizing Jewish graves, from his Saving Private Ryan
The series received the recognition it deserved. Orloff’s depiction of the concentration camp was honoured by the American Jewish community, not at all surprising considering that it was written for them. Here he is receiving the award for Best TV film from Sam Rubin at the 2nd Annual Jewish Image Awards in Film and Television at the Four Seasons Hotel in Los Angeles, Ca. Tuesday, Sept. 24, 2002.
More on the book version
The episode’s depiction of the concentration camp differs radically from that in the book. Instead of a concentration camp full of Jews, the book describes a “Displaced Persons’ camp” at Dormagen, containing forced labourers brought from occupied Europe (p. 255). The 101st did liberate the concentration camp Kaufering IV near Landsberg on the Lech in April 1945 but this section of Ambrose’s book is not titled “Why We Fight”. The book and most of the miniseries depicted the experiences of Easy Company. Not the liberation scene. This is based on a film made by the U.S. Army at the time, and supplied to Spielberg and Hanks by the European Holocaust Memorial organization in Landsberg (see links section of the Wikipedia article).
There is documentary evidence of the mixed status and ethnic composition of workers in the Landsberg camps. In October 1944 a local administrator estimated that there were 21 camps with 5,251 inmates working for various manufacturing companies. This included eight separate Jewish camps, with one more under construction. The administrator noted that there were also prisoners of war from Poland, Russia, and France. These figures do not tally with another estimate of just one facility near Landsberg for the period 15 July to 15 August 1944, when the workforce consisted of 9,000 prisoners brought from a concentration camp — many Jewish — plus 3,000 foreign workers and 3,900 German workers. Either way there were a great many non-Jews involved.
The phrase “why we fight” does not occur in the book. Ambrose quotes Maj. Winters as saying: “Now I know why I am here” (p. 263), which was an understandable emotional reaction to the misery of the camp, not a considered philosophical statement, and not one linked exclusively to the plight of Jews. It expressed a humanitarian sentiment. It is not a warrant to rehearse the Holocaust ritual yet again and push aside the men’s true responses and priorities.
The soldiers felt that they were fighting for America, not to end suffering most Americans did not know about until after the war’s end.
Less than one page of text about the camp becomes half an episode in Spielberg’s rendering. In the book there is no mention of the Jewish Holocaust. Yet the series is presented as based on Ambrose’s book. The G.I.s did not see Jews; they saw suffering humanity. Spielberg’s biggest crime is to have rewritten the scene to represent the G.I.s as feeling and thinking like him, focused on his ethnic kin. In effect he claims the Finest Generation for the Jews.
There are also errors of omission. For example the series ignores the praiseful reaction of the G.I.s to Germans, once they began to occupy German territory. There is a story! It could have been told by someone who was sympathetic to the innocent German civilians or merely objective and looking for an interesting tale to tell. The series could have depicted American G.I.s discovering how similar the Germans were to themselves. There are dramatic possibilities in this realization. Intimate moments of self doubt, of stunned realization. Close-up encounters with vulnerable human beings; flawed but very much like Americans. One can imagine a story in which some soldiers realize they have been fighting a sort of civil war. This is not a fanciful construction — it is right there in Ambrose’s book.
The book deals with American-German relations in some details. For example the soldiers began to realize how similar the Germans were to their own loved ones — they began to realize their own ethnic kinship. On one occasion a G.I. was clearing an apartment block so that it could be requisitioned by the company. This was wartime and the G.I.s’ hearts were hardened. The procedure was to go from door to door telling the occupants they had five minutes to vacate their apartments, taking no bedclothes so that the G.I.s would be comfortable.
They came pouring out, crying, lamenting, frightened. “I knocked on this one door,” Carson recalled, “and an elderly lady answered. I looked at her and she stared at me. God, it was a picture of my own grandmother. Our eyes met and I said, ‘Bleib hier,’ or stay here.”(p. 260, emphasis added.)
This is genetic similarity at work — one genotype recognizing a similar other. The old lady did not speak. All the G.I. perceived was her face. There is more along these lines that one would never guess from Spielberg’s series, except for the Jewish G.I.’s compassion for his people in the camps
Ambrose summarizes the American soldier’s judgment of various nationalities during WWII, mostly negative.
He felt the Arabs were despicable, liars, thieves, dirty, awful, without a redeeming feature. The Italians were liars, thieves, dirty, wonderful, with many redeeming features, but never to be trusted.
The French provincials and Parisians had assorted negative traits, while the British were “brave, resourceful, quaint, reserved, dull”. The Dutch were “simply wonderful” though few American soldiers were in Holland.
Wonder of wonders, the average G.I. found that the people he liked best, identified most closely with, enjoyed being with, were the Germans. Clean, hard-working, disciplined, educated, middle-class in their tastes and lifestyles (many G.I.s noted that so far as they could tell the only people in the world who regarded a flush toilet and soft white toilet paper as a necessity were the Germans and the Americans), the Germans seemed to many American soldiers as “just like us” (pp. 248–9).
Americans admired the German civilians who, of their own volition, began picking up rubble the morning after a battle. In that regard they compared the Germans favourably to other Europeans they had encountered. How easy it would have been, how inexpensive, to have the G.I.s utter a few words of praise as they watched German civilians clearing the street at the start of Episode 9.
Ambrose suggests that some of the good impression made by the Germans was due to the comfort provided by their middle class homes. But even Webster, a convinced German hater, could not help but soften. He wrote to his parent in April 1945 that the “Germans I have seen so far have impressed me as clean, efficient, law-abiding people”. They were churchgoers. (Couldn’t Hanks persuade Spielberg to allow just one scene of Germans in church?) “In Germany everybody goes out and works”, unlike other nationalities. “They are cleaner, more progressive, and more ambitious than either the English or the French” (p. 250).
The shock of ethnic recognition experienced by G.I.s as they entered Germany has been discussed elsewhere. Ambrose quotes one author, Glenn Gray, thus: “The enemy could not have changed so quickly from a beast to a likable human being. Thus, the conclusion is nearly forced upon the G.I.s that they have been previously blinded by fear and hatred and the propaganda of their own government” (p. 250).
The only pronounced reference to ethnicity concerns the only Jewish member of Easy Company, Joseph Liebgott. He is seen early in the series objecting to an anti-Semitic outburst by a fellow private. He has no visible Jewish characteristics, unsurprising because he is played by Ross McCall, a Catholic Scotsman. Apparently Spielberg knows when genetic similarity is useful. Because the character played by McCall is so different to the real Liebgott as described in the book, I have referred to the former as “the Jewish G.I.” This is the (miniseries) character who screamed collective insults at German prisoners of war and smiled at the murder of others.
Ross McCall as Joseph Liebgott
The Jewish G.I. character is given some balanced resolution in the tenth and final installment directed by Mikael Salomon. In July 1945 the division is occupying a part of Bavaria, which includes Hitler’s mountain retreat, the Eagle’s Nest. For much of that episode he is in a vengeful state of mind, occupying a black and white world where all Germans are on the dark side. He even kills a man on the hearsay that he had been a concentration camp commander and personally questioning him (well, he demands his death; another G.I. pulls the trigger). This is true to the book. We detect some softening when the Jewish G.I. translates a speech by a German officer. The officer is about to disband his company, and a watching American officer asks the Jewish G.I. to interpret. At first the translation is delivered mockingly, but the speech ends up winning the respect even of someone twisted by hate. The German officer begins by saying that it has been a long hard war. That he is proud of his men. That a spirit of comradeship has arisen from sharing the same dangers. They had become brothers. Some of the German troops weep. Later we see a friendly conversation between a German and an American soldier manning a checkpoint together, in which the German shows a human face (he recommended the Italian front over the Russian). The closing scene of the episode is in documentary format. A veteran of the 101st Airborne recites the great St. Crispin’s Day speech by Henry V in Shakespeare’s play, echoing the German officer’s words.
Other scenes relating to ethnicity include one in which half a dozen German prisoners of war are murdered in cold blood in the D-Day episode. The murderer is a handsome Anglo with Nietzschean views and homicidal demeanour, who hands around cigarettes to the unarmed Germans and gives them lights before shooting them down without provocation. The killer is not coarse or low class and he speaks standard American English without a trace of provincial or big-city accent. In the last few episodes the character is rehabilitated to become a hero. He is never punished or admonished. What is the point of this invented scene, which does not occur in the book? The closest event in the book is when a few German prisoners are shot while attempting to jump their guards (p. 77). The very different film version associates Anglo ethnicity with mindless, psychopathic aggression.
Despite a scene in which a German POW shows a human face (before being murdered as above), the Germans are once again nameless aggressors. Not much change from the usual Hollywood formula. Among the G.I.s the weak characters are all Anglos. The Italian soldiers have ethnic residues but are mainly regular guys.
Conclusion
The Finest Generation were fallible human beings who were nevertheless as noble a band of brothers as there could be. They fought for their nation’s interests. Most were patriots at a time when America was seen by most citizens as a White republic. The ninth episode of Band of Brothers is an act of identity theft, an attempt to rewrite history to misrepresent the American soldiers of WWII as having different identities and different motivations than they in fact had. The ninth episode and to some extent the whole miniseries is part of an effort to airbrush from the American people’s memory the authentic historical American nation and replace it with a lie that serves leftist ideology and Jewish interests.
How can this sort of outrage occur? Once a group is beyond criticism, let alone censure, its ambition can expand to fill the status vacuum thus created. That privilege is created by the ban on anti-Semitism so broadly defined that it includes reasoned criticism of Jewish political culture. Any attempt to criticize Spielberg or other Jews for ethnic bias would attract the anti-Semitism accusation, unleashing real penalties formal or informal. No other group is so privileged.
The replacement of White Christian historical memories with minority perspectives and sometimes by self-hate fantasies is limited by the inertial quality of those memories. The interviewees at the start of the 9th episode had mixed feelings towards Germans. Only one said that Germans were thought of as evil. One said that he could have been friends with them under different circumstances. All the veterans were relaxed. None got excited or showed hostility. None mentioned the concentration camp liberated by the 101st. None mentioned Nazis. This is congruent with the book’s cursory treatment of the work camp. While the cruel conditions in the camp were deplored, the G.I.s had seen other horrors.
Living memories also limit the chutzpah of the casting director. It is true that a Scot was cast as the Jewish G.I. However the predominance among the actors cast for the film of Northwestern European racial types and Anglo regional accents is accurate, as is the segregation of Negroes to transport duties. It will take one or two generations longer before these aspects can be falsified with impunity. It is reasonable to conclude that this is the direction film is moving when a Jewish producer can tell his White Gentile audience that their fathers fought and died not in defence of their nation but for his own ethnic interests, knowing that he is safe from effective reproach.
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That BoB shows German prisoners of war being murdered in cold blood is probably the most accurate thing about it. Author Max Hastings interviewed WW2 soldiers from all sides and without exception those who had seen combat had witnessed ( not just heard about) prisoners being shot. See first 2 paras of an article by Hastings along similar lines.
Paratroops were relatively few and far from typical of the American infantry soldiers in WWII, for one thing Southerners were less common in the airborne, so even an accurate account would be misleading as to their allegiances.
It is a good point that people killed because they were members of ethnic majorities (such as the Ukrainians in the Ukraine) get precious little sympathy and no mention from the Jewish dominated media.
Does the show mention the million and a half German soldiers that were starved in Eisenhower’s true concentration camps AFTER the war had ended? I bet not. OR the psychological abuse that the Germans population is still subjected to today? I bet not. American soldiers killed their own brothers because they couldn’t be bothered to find out the truth. They weren’t bothered in WWI and they aren’t today. Shame on them, shame on the American people, ALL the American people.
Helvena
Well put, Hitler was the the only politician with guts enough to recognise the menace from Jewish led Russia. Stalin had troops massed on the border of Germany, many thousands of Germans had already been killed by communists within Germany, and Stalin had killed many millions, 66 million in total incuding the years following the war, more than 50% of the population of his own country, the Jewish Talmudic teaching ‘Even the best of non-Jews should all be killed’ was well under way by Stalin, indeed, he made it a death penalty for any Russian to even mention that he was Jewish himself. Hitler well knew what was coming to Germany in light of this. In British schools, we were never told that Stalin had troops on the border of Germany ready to attack even when the German/Russian pact was in force. We were also told that Britain had to go to war against Germany because of a pact we had with Poland, and Germany had invaded, but we were never ever told that Russia had itself invaded Poland at the same time as Hitler, and Britain under Jewish Zionist Churchill betrayed Britain and all of Europe to unite with Jewish Zionist Roosevelt and Jewish Zionist Stalin to destroy Germany, purely because the Germans were capable of demonstrating self-autonomy as a nation, free from Jewish fractional reserve banking, that still enslaves all nations today. We borrow £100,000 for a house, little knowing that £90,000 is fraudulently invented, and have to pay back $300,000 over 25 years on a mortgage (literal translation ‘death grip’), so we pay back 30 times what we really borrowed, we are nothing more than slaves to parasite bankers. Hitler stopped that sort of fraudulent banking process, and that is why the Jewish bankers could not stand him and had him set up to be smashed completely. Germany was destroyed to ensure the complete eventual world domination of the Jews through communism and capitalism. Baruch Levy, a close friend of Karl Marx, the founder of communism stated in a letter to Marx ‘All other races with be made dissolute (meaning annihilated according to Chambers’ English Dictionary), only the Jews will remain to furnish all seats of power throughout the world’, this being thoroughly in accordance with standard Jewish teaching; in accordance with the uncensored Soncino version of the Talmud, the principal Jewish scripture; ‘Even the best of the non-Jews should all be killed’. Because of the misuse of the allied armies in the second world war, we all have to suffer the consequences of Jewish leadership from now on. David Cameron the maronite Jew British PM stated during his electoral campaign ‘I will empower UK Jews’. Meaning he will put them in positions of leadership. Harper stated recently that he will defend Israel to the last, only one problem, he is the PM of Canada, not Israel, and he will be using ‘stupid dumb animals’ as Jew Henry Kissinger calls them (gentile, or goyim soldiers).
Mr. Dogdson’s analysis of Band of Brothers reminds me of Hans Schmidt taking Steven Spielberg to task for the blatant pro-Jewish propaganda found in Saving Private Ryan:
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/reviews.html
Hans Schmidt was a veteran of the Waffen-SS who fought the good fight against anti-German wartime propaganda until he passed away on May 30, 2010.
Thank you for that link. That was amazing!
ad Helvena
Shame on all of us, Americans, English, …, who let ourselves be herded as “allies” to fight against our natural allies. It is a greater shame that after 2-3 generations we wallow in the fairy tales of the jews who arranged the whole show.
All I have to say about Ambrose is that he showed his true colors during the 50th anniversary of the Normandy invasion by getting on the Today show and practically having an orgasm over the Germans killed there. It was one of those pivotal moments of my life in coming to grips with the Jewish Question, and I wrote Ambrose off as a serious historian that morning. As for Spielberg and his “artistic license” with Band of Brothers, I would expect no less of him. He’s a Jew, for Pete’s sake!
And so, Dodgson notwithstanding, is Tom Hanks.
The so-called ‘Greatest Generation’ was in reality (and most unfortunately) the ‘Most Lured Generation’ for the biggest war in all of history. It was a ‘racial trap’ for the reduction of our white race.
They were the Penultimate Worst Generation. So ignorant, and so very proud of their blind obedience. Selfish beyond belief, and narrow in scope. No sense of racial kinship at all.They then spawned the Baby Boomers. The Worst Generation. The Final Crime of the Race Traitor Generation.
There are some Americans that actually believe we went war to protect the Jews from Nazis! Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. Full knowledge of the camps and whatever supposedly happened in them wasn’t an issue until after the war was over. And it didn’t really become the huge issue it is today until after the 60s.
We need to speak out in order to preserve the true history of what happened in WWII. We need to remember how the Japanese mistreated American POWs and contrast that with the relatively good treatment American POWs received in Germany. The History channel has run documentaries on the friendliness between Americans and Germans. Things like that need to be remembered.
And by the way, even if millions of Jews died as claimed, that number is dwarfed by the overall number killed in WWII. And beyond that, we have genocides in places like Africa going on right now. Jews should not be allowed to privilege their own people’s suffering as the only only one that matters.
Slated to direct his trilogy loosely titled ‘The other side of the story’. First is, “The Fire Bombing of Dresden”, shot in full 3D torture porn IMAX glory staring Eli Roth. It will be followed by “Patton 2″, it is based on his diaries and letters to his wife after he reached Berlin, starring Robert Downey Jr at his zany best and ends with “Why we killed 30 million White Christian Russians and why you never heard about it ” starring everyone and his dog. Executive producers Weinstein’s.
Perhaps for the sake of truth, Mr. Spielberg can collaborate with Rabbi Ovadia Yosef in a series called “Why We Work”.
But, instead of exploited confused GI’s marching into a concentration camp, it will be a hoard of miserable Americans marching into the driveway of a gluttonous mansion party of all of these Jews that dominate finance, politics, and media, SITTING LIKE EFFENDIS EATING, counting their money, ordering all the Goyim around.
*cut* ACTION!
Oh, hey! Look! There’s Elliot Spitzer coming through now! Let him through! He has his 4000/night 18 year old Goyim he’s having sex with behind his wife and kids back, with taxpayer money! WHAT A LEADER!
Did the History channel have a program about Gotha Jeff?
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/easterngermany/gotha/index.html
Eisenhower’s reward for killing off Germans after the war was the presidency. Paton’s reward for not killing them off was his death. Who was in control Jeff? Ask yourself who benefited from the war.
“General George S. Patton quickly released the prisoners who had surrendered to his Third Army, but General Eisenhower held his POWs until the end of 1946, forcing them to live on starvation rations. Red Cross packages sent to the German POW camps were returned. The POW camps had no barracks or tents.”
Five years ago, while going through the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., I was struck by a photo at the beginning of the exhibit of two Jewish inmates, striding toward the viewer, obviously well fed and healthy. I imagine it’s been pulled since then as it so obviously contradicts their central thesis.
I consider the “Greatest Generation” to be the first totally brainwashed generation. Totally, because not 1% of them ever realized that they fought for their enemies, not their own people.
I blame it on radio (the airwaves belong to the people so you could hear only the truth). They couldn’t put it on radio (tv) if it wasn’t true!
I share your low opinion of the “Stupidest Generation”, but it is well-worth noting that this occurred in a transitional period, before most of media was so firmly in Jewish hands. Also, it wasn’t without precedent. Even in a far less media-dominated age, the Whites of the Civil War era were easily convinced to engage in a fratricidal conflict that was equally, if not even more stupid. Some here have rightly pointed out that in WWII, Whites did not explicitly fight over the Jewish question; yet in the American Civil War, they did explicitly fight over the negro question.
I have difficulty understanding why Mr. Dodgson thinks these men were patriots. “They fought for their nation’s interests” he says. Lunacy! Henry Thoreau, who went to jail rather than pay a poll tax that supported an un-Constitutional standing army and an illegal Mexican war, was a patriot who fought for his nation’s interests. These go-along-to-get-along mass men, who submitted like born slaves to the involuntary servitude of the draft, were not patriots, were not fighting for their nation’s interests, and were in no way admirable. In many respects, they are as culpable as the Jews for the current dire situation the White race finds itself in.
“The film associates Anglo ethnicity with mindless, psychopathic aggression.”
Projection.
The Jewish people live in an inverted world. Their vision is Black and White. The choices offered, Either/Or.
Since they believe themselves to be chosen they have no need for self-reflection.
And as Dedalus’s formula goes,
No Self-Reflection = Automatic Projection.
Whereas our culture for centuries tried to preserve and use the great Greek Delphic Oracle, “Know Thyself”, one of the oldest and most profound of admonitions.
So, what happened?
Europe imported an alien Levantine belief that had nothing to do wtih Europe, and thereby planted the seeds of its own destruction by developing an obsession for guilt and corresponding self-righteousness. From there on European man started to eat himself alive.
Speaking of Patton. The majority of his biographers have been Jews. So you are getting a Jews version of Patton in most things you read.
The thing that really concerns me, is that Jew historians, in my opinion, are destroying, or hiding, or “spinning” any anti-semitic & racial statements, or writings by the Founding Fathers.
As we know, the Jews cover their tracks, as in the real story of how a Jew named Levy stole Thomas Jefferson’s home Monticello from the Jefferson family.
But, just because in respect European man was wrong, doesn’t make the Jewish people right. But try telling them that.
I know of no other people in the world so completely possessed by such an incredible inability to admit when it’s wrong.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the very source of psychosis and corruption. The inability to admit when one is wrong, make amends, and attempt to change.
The important thing is that this not only describes the sadistic among us, it describes the masochist as well.
Right now European man has tied himself to the rack of an unrepentant sadist. By try telling European man that. The masochist is for the moment, as blind as the sadist.
But the picture is not as gloomy as would appear.
The sadist only needs to feel enough pain to want to be free, and only needs very little freedom to compare to his previous subjection, and its attendant humiliation, self-neglect and shame to never ever want to return.
That day is coming. In fact, for many of us, its already here.
I think the Jews tend to be over the top hedonists. The only problem is that the Jews pleasure has become our pain.
I totally agree with you Daedalus
“Welcome, O life, I go to encounter for the millionth time the reality of experience and to forge in the smithy of my soul the uncreated conscience of my race. Old father, old artificer, stand me now and ever in good stead.”
Ohio State vs. Michigan
Have you ever noticed at these pre-game warmup shows they always manage to have at least one Jew as a commentator, and at least one darkie who makes the Jew look smart.
College Football Cheer 2010:
Fight, fight,
Nigger and a White,
Fight Nigger fight,
Beat that White.
OFF-TOPIC…but still highly relevant!
An excellent article with quite a few highly perceptive comments to match, so I won’t add to their number except to post this beautiful quote from a recent article by Paul Craig Roberts which will already (perhaps) be familiar to many of you:
The final proof that there are NO [Al-Qaeda Muslim] TERRORISTS is that not a single neoconservative or government official responsible for the Bush regime’s invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the Obama regime’s slaughters of Pakistanis, Yemenis, and Somalians has been assassinated. None of these Americans who are responsible for lies, deceptions, and invasions that have destroyed the lives of countless numbers of Muslims have any security protection. If Muslims were capable of pulling off 9/11, they are certainly capable of assassinating Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Libby, Condi Rice, Kristol, Bolton, Goldberg, and scores of others during the same hour of the same day.”
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/101122_tsa.htm
Vdare is an excellent website. I read it often & they had an excellent article on Revolution. It’s probably coming to America so I can only recommend a book about Americans taking a stand against federal tyranny. Could be us soon. It’s a great book & must read.
http://www.booksbyoliver.com
I read the article. While I am not a fan of the idea that Al Qaeda doesn’t exist, I would note one important passage in the article:
“Subsequent domestic terrorist events have turned out to be FBI sting operations in which FBI agents organize not-so-bright disaffected members of society and lead them into displaying interest in participating in a terrorist act. Once the FBI agent, pretending to be a terrorist, succeeds in prompting all the right words to be said and captured on his hidden recorder, the “terrorists” are arrested and the “plot” exposed.”
So, everyone should treat with suspicion anyone that comes on this board and starts using language that is unusually provocative.
There is much ink spilled about the injustice of labor camps during the war, but compare life in a camp with soldiering in the infantry, which demands the greater sacrifice?
Ha — I never thought of that. Great point.
At the scene of a labor camp, Ambrose quotes Maj. Winters as saying: “Now I know why I am here”
Translation: We don’t know why we’re here, but this will do. . .
The more one reads those things written at the time of the war it becomes clear that the Americans really didn’t know why they were fighting. And to further complicate the issue were the Russians whose display of incivility really brought to questioned the nature of the conflict. For how could one pretend that we were in the right when we were now in conflict with those former allies, who supposedly had also been in the right.
I take exception to the title “greatest generation” as well. Nothing personal, but how could even a mediocre generation spawn the baby boomers?
One small but important correction: it’s not the Jewish GI that tells the Wehrmacht that they’re servile scum. That would, indeed have been out of character. Liebgott is a very common, uneducated guy. It’s the handsome Harvard brahmin, played by Eion Bailey, who later becomes a journalist, who screams at them, “What were you thinking?” He then points out the idiocy of expecting to supply an army with horsecarts when your opponent has GM and Ford, and ties the whole rant up with the servile scum statement. I’m quite sure about this because, well, I promise you, women don’t fail to notice anything that Eion Bailey does. Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm!
Nice article. So too the comments. It’s an excellent example of the adage that “history is written by the winners”. Anyone who’s gone to the trouble to do a little cursory research will soon discover just how “essential” WWII actually was and what caused it. Those who ponder why we find ourselves in this current mess and how we got there will, no doubt, have done some research into “The Tribe” and it’s influence over the centuries on the world of civilized men and women.
In my opinion there is no other conclusion, either theologically or politically than committed, continuous and continuing conspiracy to destroy. While WWII and the “Holocaust”, have become the central event since the 1940′s, the theme of “persecution” was well established since the Sanhedrin started its long journey of destruction and exploitation. WWII only provided a “new” center of focus, both for management of The Tribe and for control of the Goyim (cattle).
Douglas Reed in “The Controversy of Zion” probably synopsized this better than most. In it he describes his own encounters as a journalist trying to report what he saw during WWII. He talked about how those interred in concentration camps became “Jews” (and only Jews) and that reporting anything to the contrary meant the end of your journalistic career. He wrote this in the 1950′s and made predictions for the future. All of these have more than come true.
This series is just another example of high-tech propaganda. Just like the “History Channel” or “Discovery”, they use excellent cinematography and clever writing to plant the “truth” of their message. Considering that most seldom read anything of importance or question anything that assaults them from the TV, it is little wonder that most have a severely twisted view of history.
Wars are never fought by informed soldiers. They are lied to, coerced and threatened into service. While it would be wonderful if everyone just said “No”, it isn’t likely to happen. Soldiers are fed on a diet of propaganda which they readily absorb to assuage their consciences. That fact is as old as warfare. War is always a lie.
The essay does well not to denigrate WWII veterans while bringing some balance to the picture presented relentlessly by hollywood. Of interest is that official US policy in war in the Pacific was take no prisoners, as well, our ally the soviet union certainly had the same policy with respect to Germans. As to the never ending wars of Europe and our entanglements in them since the installment of Woodrow Wilson, what is in the interest of our country, first and foremost, with respect to foreign policy? Although Israel can be said to be the “policeman of the middle east” supporting US and European interests, is this a true statement? Partly perhaps. “Policeman of the middle east” was a typical official left point of view concerning israel at one time, something of a smoke screen with regard to brainwashing of American people on this issue, although many decent scholars accepted the view at the time. Someone else is waiting in the wings to reap the reward from this policeman’s suicidal actions, it has clearly not been to the advantage of the American people or even a Machiovelian princehood “selfishly” and “diabolically” building up wealth for the greater nation!
We have minorities right here at home suffering 500 plus years of the most abominable treatment (certainly not jews) and how, as the late Marlon Brando opined, has this ugly sore been treated by hollywood? shrill yet powerful foreign born minorities or “Americans” with severely divided loyalties, even to the point of prohibited dual citizenship under US law, who may define our foreign policy leaves us a manipulated mercenary nation. Wake up soldiers, America First.
Poetry in the line:
“foreign born minorities or “Americans” with severely divided loyalties”
recalls Vonnegut and Ezra Pound.
By the way, we’re all concerned and hopeful.
No matter what, do NOT read this ebook.
http://johnkaminski.info/pages/the_next_chapter/pdf/the_secret_holocaust.pdf
I seem to recall that throughout history numerous countries have expelled Jewish populations because of their eventual stranglehold on each nation’s liberty, economy, etc.
Can anyone provide more detail?
Jim,
They’ve been expelled from EVERY country they ever occupied, the most recent being Nazi Germany. Some countries expelled them twice. Others, like the Scandinavian countries, forbade them residence while in Russia they were not permitted to go, ‘Beyond the Pale’. The Pale was a part of Eastern Poland and Ukraine. The Empress Catherine felt to let them loose among her people would be a disaster. One has to wonder what she would say about America today.
Many of their expulsions including the first one from England were triggered after a child’s body turned up in the forest or in a shallow grave and was found to have been ‘ritually murdered’ by Jews. The ritual murder is what the Jews call their ‘blood libel’ and they go Ape in their denials. It was (is?) thought a sect among Jews murder gentile children to drain their blood to make a small cake to be consumed during one of their religious periods like passover.
I know this sounds unbelievable, but there are many disturbingly plausible historical accounts of it and many ancient paintings and statues depicting the butchering of small children by evil looking old men, who resemble Woody Allan . One of the ways of extracting the child’s blood is to place him/her into a large wooden barrel which has nails in all the side palings and roll it, so the child has dozens of puncture wounds.
A famous account is the Beilliss murder in Kiev early last century. A young Boy was murdered in a Brickwork’s owned by a Jew named Beilliss in which was a synagogue.
http://holywar.org/txt/RitualMurder/jrm-11.html
An Excerpt:
“There were many strange features about this trial, viz.:
(1) On 17th October, 1913, the presiding Judge had to warn the Jewish pressmen against persisting in reporting perverted renderings of the evidence, and said that if they continued in this practice, then would be refused permission to attend the Court.
(2) Two children, Genia and Valentine Tcheberiak, who were important witnesses against Beiliss, died suddenly shortly after his arrest. This was after they had eaten sweetmeats given to them by a degraded (read bribed by Jews) police agent called Krassowsky. They were examined by two Jewish doctors at the hospital and were certified to be suffering from dysentery the bacilli of that disease having been found in them according to the report.
Next, it was discovered that their mother had been offered (and had refused) a bribe of 40,000 roubles by a Jew lawyer to take upon herself the guilt for the murder of the stabbed boy Joutchinski.
Finally, the Jews actually suggested she had herself poisoned her two children! Having characteristically forgotten for the moment those dysentery bacilli that had been reported to have been discovered!”
Gee, Charles, I hope you don’t disappear or something because you have dared to criticize one of “the chosen people”, the powerful Mr. Spielberg. Israeli rendition is no vacation. Those Talmud observant fiends have perfected the fascist paradigm and replaced the Swastika with a six-pointed star. Actung, Goyim, Beware!
Ever read up on narcissistic personality disorder? It describes collective jewish personality/culture to a T!
WW2 was the Peloponnesian War of the West. Unless it comes to be understood this way, there can be no serious advancement for the White cause in general.
An excellent comparison. Period.
Well, not entirely. Our little disagreement with the Japanese – in fact the Real War, as it (unlike the European sideshow) concerned global hegemony by way of controlling the world’s oceans and trade routes – was also a good ‘ol Race War.
My favorite movies of all time is Independence Day. Watch it and pick out the superior culture versus the lower animals. It is blatant in its presentation of Jewish superiority and the depictation of the less chosen. That ain’t no accident or happenstance, my dear. It is the game they constantly play in one way or anothr.
Thanks Helvena.
I recently used that quote in another context.
Nice to be reminded that there are others out there familiar with it as well.
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My contact wtih Germans in NYC was interesting. Many were extremely PC. Others got along to get along. But it was the PC crowd that made it difficult to feel bad for the Germans in general.
I found it shocking and incomprehensible at first. But later I saw it as possibly the worst known case of self-betrayal, ever.
But then, as we all know, they have a lot of company for the rest of their Euro-American brothers.
In fact, what was the cluelessness of many a whie during WWll is now the cluelessness of their children and grandchildren with the WTC.
The self-deception and self-betrayal is by now not at all incomprehensible simply because the issues have become clearer since WWll. And and also because we know so much more about human beings and psychology than ever before.
It’s no longer incomprehensible because we can comprehend it.
And it is insane!
The two great writers to come out of the European tradition who were able to conceptualize and dramatize the notion that we are insane better than anyone else were Thomas Carlyle and William Faulkner.
It’s worth pointing out that there subjects were – European man.
Steven Spielberg: Body Snatcher–A Review of the Miniseries “Band of Brothers”
It was the character “Webster” who yelled at the Germans not Liebgott
Webster’s vocabulary was above that of the average Joe because Webster was
a student at Harvard and an English major…his nickname was “Professor” because
he was always pontificating in “high toned” English
Liebgott was not even Jewish although he may have had some Jewish blood in his
family tree
He liked to let the guys think he was Jewish just to have some fun with them
Liebgott was a barber not a taxi driver
if you ‘re trying to figure ambrose out consider these two things: 1) he was supported in some respect by the eisenhower foundation or library. eisenhower’s pathological hatred of germans (hatred typical of non combatants) and his role in the starvation and murder of several hundred thousand german pows has been mentioned. patton (a true warrior) who saw the germans as future allies against the soviets and said so resulted in his relief and his mysterious death from….? eisenhower also saw to the ultimate destruction of sen joseph mccarthy (a marine officer who served in the pacific) as he attempted to expose the communists in state and treasury which had initially been recruited by FDR and ultimately protected by HST. further, if memory serves, ambrose was one of the 400 historians who signed petitions to halt the impeachment of president gonad. here’s a mystery: there was a further scene in the movie that surrounds the supposed murder of several german prisoners by an american officer after he gave them cigarettes. if you watch the first scene carefully you see that the soldiers are wehrmacht. when the american soldier, monk, is retelling the story later in the movie, those same soldiers are wearing uniforms of the ss. why do you suppose that was?
I believe it was actually this actor who yelled at the Germans and not the Jewish guy you spoke of.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0047248/
He played Pvt. David Kenyon Webster.
As described by this guy on the Rabbit Room blog:
Man, it’s good to know that there are other people in the world who were equally as affected by BoB as I was. When I watched it for the first time, the episode Why We Fight so bothered me that I had to leave the house for a few hours. Webster stands on the back of the truck screaming at the retreating Germans yelling “Why did you make us come here?” And then, hours later, they liberate the concentration camp. Completely beautiful and completely heartbreaking.
It was Webster and not the Jewish guy that yelled out to the Germans.
On a different note. That is why they murdered Patton. He said the Americans fought the wrong people. We should use these people to fight the Russians. Not in the Powers that be plans.
Obviously Hollywood Propaganda as usual .
Never forget that the Jews declared war against Germany in 1934, way before the second world war started.
The reason why the Jewish owned newspapers declared war against Germany, is because Hitler took the control over the German Reserve bank away from the Jewish bankers.
Should the Americans ever take back their own privately owned Federal reserve, war will be declared against them as well.
The previous American generation were the most gullible people that ever walked the face of this planet. It is because of these easily manipulated people that the often found scorn of ‘American stupidity’ is found amongst the other people of the world and to a certain extend even amongst Jews themselves.
How can the Jews ever respect the average American, knowing how easily they are fooled?
A fool and his money might be easily parted, but it takes a special type of fool to give his life for his enemy.
WW2 was another unnecessary war. We have been lied to about WW2.The banksters,politicians and war profiteers are the only winners.Read Pat Buchanan’s book,Churchill,Hitler and The Unnecessary War.
It’s now official – there’s been no actual shortage of Holocaust Survivors :
Quote from The Holocaust Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York, published by Verso in the year 2000:
‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of “living Holocaust survivors” at nearly a million.’ (page 83)
Interesting arithmetic – the incredible numbers
Let’s have a look at a typical account by one of the seemingly endless number of survivors: Olga Lengyel’s Five Chimneys: a woman survivor’s true story of Auschwitz (Granada/ Ziff-Davis, 1947, 1972).
According to Lengyel, ‘After June, 1943, the gas chamber was reserved exclusively for Jews and Gypsies.. Three hundred and sixty corpses every half-hour, which was all the time it took to reduce human flesh to ashes, made 720 per hour, or 17,280 corpses per twenty-four hour shift. And the ovens, with murderous efficiency, functioned day and night. However, one must also reckon the death pits, which could destroy another 8,000 cadavers a day. In round numbers, about 24,000 corpses were handled each day. An admirable production record, one that speaks well for German industry.’ (Paperback edition, pp80-81). [No trace of any remains of or in ‘death pits’ has been found.]
This implies almost 100,000 corpses per four working days, or a million in 40 days, or six million in 240 days (eight months). Notice the bald precision of the figures without any explanation, the utter confidence in the reader’s credulity.
The blurb on the cover of the book quotes the New York Herald-Tribune: “Passionate, tormenting”. Albert Einstein, the promoter of the US construction of the bombs used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, is quoted as offering “You have done a real service by letting the ones who are now silent and most forgotten speak.”
Could this claim be a misprint?
Kitty Hart, in spite of her name a Jewish survivor born in Poland, fully confirms these figures:
‘Working around the clock, the four units together could dispose of about 18,000 bodies every twenty-four hours, while the open pits coped with a further 8,000 in the same period.’ (p 118; Return to Auschwitz – paperback edition by Granada (1981, 1983).
According to the cover blurb, ‘The subject of the award-winning Yorkshire television documentary of the same name.’ ‘Both engaging and harrowing…an important addition to the growing holocaust literature, very little of which conveys so courageously both the daily torment and the will to survive’ – Martin Gilbert, The Times.
‘Sir’ Martin Gilbert, indefatigable Jewish campaigner on behalf of the ‘Holocaust’ and biographer of Winston Churchill, adds to the rich flavour and makes his own numerical claims, certainly not without chutzpah:
In his book Auschwitz and the Allies (1981) he states
‘The deliberate attempt to destroy systematically all of Europe’s Jews was unsuspected in the spring and early summer of 1942: the very period during which it was at its most intense, and during which hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmo, Sobibor and Treblinka.’ (p.26).
If we assume a minimum figure of 200,000 per day, this amounts to say a million a five-day working week, or 6 million in six weeks, and this does not include the amazing claims for Auschwitz put forward by Hart and Lengyel with Gilbert’s blessing.
They can make whatever claims they like because in 10 European states including Germany, France, Austria, Holland and Italy if you refuse to believe (Deny) their preposterous swindle you can (AND WILL) be given up to five years in Prison. Naturally your career is destroyed as well, because part of the punishment includes forbidding you to return to work at the profession for which you were trained.
Elie Wiesel vs Encyclopaedia Britannica
Wiesel has been one of the most prominent spokesmen for the very sizable group of people known as Holocaust survivors. Wiesel has chaired the US Holocaust Memorial Council and has been the recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and Nobel Peace Prize..
Time Magazine, March 18 1985:
‘How had he survived two of the most notorious killing fields [Auschwitz and Buchenwald] of the century? “I will never know” Wiesel says. “I was always weak. I never ate. The slightest wind would turn me over. In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?”
Compare this with Encyclopaedia Britannica (1993), under ‘Buchenwald’:
“In World War II it held about 20,000 prisoners.. Although there were no gas chambers, hundreds perished monthly through disease, malnutrition, exhaustion, beatings and executions.”
I’ve checked out the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War and the statement is quite correct – not a single mention of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.
Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; Churchill’s Second World War totals 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.
In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,666327,00.html
One of the vast number of ridiculous tales:
Sixty-five years ago, infamous Auschwitz doctor Josef Mengele removed Yitzhak Ganon’s kidney without anesthesia. The Greek-born Jew swore never to see a doctor again — until a heart attack last month brought his horrific tale into the open.
Ganon had to lie down on a table and was tied down. Without any anesthetics, Mengele cut him open and removed his kidney. “I saw the kidney pulsing in his hand and cried like a crazy man,” Ganon says. “I screamed the ‘Shema Yisrael.’ I begged for death, to stop the suffering.”
After the “operation,” he had to work in the Auschwitz sewing room without painkillers.
To George
The medical impossibility of a kidney ‘pulsing’ after it has been removed should of course illustrate immediately to the reader that the entire account is a complete confabulation.
Max Nordau (1849-1923) was the co-founder of the World Zionist Organization together with Theodor Herzl.
Have a look at this Max Nordau quote from Ben Hecht’s book ‘Perfidy’ – which is available for free in PDF format at
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/perfidy.pdf (on page 232 of 261):
Quote:
In the Zionist Congress of 1911, 22 years before Hitler came to power, and three years before World War I, Nordau said, “How dare the smooth talkers, the clever official blabbers, open their mouths and boast of progress. . . . Here they hold jubilant peace conferences in which they talk against war. . . . But the same righteous Governments, who are so nobly, industriously active to establish the eternal peace, are preparing, by their own confession, complete annihilation for six million people, and there is nobody, except the doomed themselves, to raise his voice in protest although this is a worse crime than any war . . .” unquote.
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And take a look at the article from The American Hebrew, October 31 1919 (see attached reproduction below), prophesying a ‘holocaust’ of ‘six million’:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_H._Glynn
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/images/091031crucifixion.gif
The Crucifixion of Jews Must Stop!
By Martin H. Glynn
(Former Governor of the State of N.Y.)
From across the sea six million men and women call to us for help, and eight hundred thousand little children cry for bread.
These children, these men and women are our fellow-members of the human family, with the same claim on life as we, the same susceptibility to the winter’s cold, the same propensity to death before the fangs of hunger. Within them reside the illimitable possibilities for the advancement of the human race as naturally would reside in six million human beings. We may not be their keepers but we ought to be their helpers.
In the face of death, in the throes of starvation there is no place for mental distinctions of creed, no place for physical differentiations of race. In this catastrophe, when six million human beings are being whirled toward the grave by a cruel and relentless fate, only the most idealistic promptings of human nature should sway the heart and move the hand.
Six million men and women are dying from lack of the necessaries of life; eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them through no fault of their own, through no transgression of the laws of God or man; but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood.
In this threatened holocaust of human life, etc etc etc
Max Nordau (1849-1923) was the co-founder of the World Zionist Organization together with Theodor Herzl.
Have a look at this Max Nordau quote from Ben Hecht’s book ‘Perfidy’ – which is available for free in PDF format at
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/perfidy.pdf (on page 232 of 261):
Quote:
In the Zionist Congress of 1911, 22 years before Hitler came to power, and three years before World War I, Nordau said, “How dare the smooth talkers, the clever official blabbers, open their mouths and boast of progress. . . . Here they hold jubilant peace conferences in which they talk against war. . . . But the same righteous Governments, who are so nobly, industriously active to establish the eternal peace, are preparing, by their own confession, complete annihilation for six million people, and there is nobody, except the doomed themselves, to raise his voice in protest although this is a worse crime than any war . . .” unquote.
“Masses of German POWs march by in orderly ranks. An officer says admiringly that even in defeat the Germans look like soldiers. But the Jewish G.I. sees nothing but objects of hate and contempt, standing up in the vehicle and screaming: “You stupid fascist pigs. . . . You ignorant, servile scum!” This displays a sophisticated vocabulary for someone who we are told in the final episode went back to driving taxis after the War. The scene does not occur in Ambrose’s book.”
It was not Liebgott that yelled the tirade at the POWs, it was Webster, the college educated author to be. If you cannot get that small bit right, how can the rest of your analysis be trusted?
Wow.
I am the author of the episode you so misleadingly wrote about.
Just so you know– I had complete and free reign to write whatever I wanted in this episode…. And… guess what? I AM NOT JEWISH. Nope. NOT. A. JEW.
So your total theory of Spielberg forcing me to write jewish propaganda is wrong, and the fact that you think I am jewish is wrong… I wrote my own episode with no notes from Spielberg.
Your article doesn’t get any more correct after that….
I could go on and on about your errors– the man screaming at the German POWS is Webster, who is not Jewish. The camp is filled with all sorts of POWs. If you look closely, they aren’t just yellow stars on them.
Anyway, I’m guessing its a waste of time to explain these things to you…
Well now we know! Thanks for pointing out errors.
The character telling his comrades he was going out to find a nice Jewish girl, was he Jewish ? Was the statement meant seriously? It did sound like propaganda for the Jews.
Well John, may be you should think more carefully about what you are doing. Test your freedom John, write about the Jews under Stalin who sent millions to their death or the Henry Morgenthau plan (and please do a little deeper research then Wikipedia). Because from where I’m sitting, you’re an untempted virgin. Do you think you’ll fair better then Oliver Stone, lets see :-)
And Spielberg gave you a green light on the script, no overview, no editing no “suggestions?” Are you kidding? You take issue with fake internet names but your claim of total script autonomy sounds like pure baloney. Hollywood doesn’t work like that, pal. (BTW that’s my real name, though the vengeance of Zion afflict me for!)
This is why I stopped watching television: something that started out as an innocent diversion from everyday life has become this overwhelming tool of propaganda and lies.
This makes about as much sense as molesting people at every airport in the name of security, when tens of thousands of people slip into the US from Mexico undetected every day of every year, bringing in who know what?
“THE JEWS ARE AN ALIEN BODY within the society they inhabit…“The Jew comes to an alien society at first in small numbers. He is treated as a friend. He thrives. His numbers increase. Then through a divergence between his aims and those of his hosts he creates (or discovers) a growing animosity. He resents it. He opposes his hosts who wish to be masters in their own house. The Jew resists their claim. It comes to violence. It is always the same miserable sequence.” – French historian Hillaire Belloc -The Jews (1870-1953)
Apparently, Tom Hank’s mother is Jewish. According to Israeli law… that makes him Jewish.
“Why We Fight”, represents an unprecedented level of ambition — to claim America’s WWII sacrifices as motivated by the desire to save Jews from Nazi persecution, to make America’s sacrifice in WWII all about the Jews
It’s the same in France. For example, General Pétain, who was the chief of state during the collaboration period with Germany (1940-1944), used to be vilified by De Gaulle supporters and by French communists as a traitor to his country. But now, people are led to believe that the vilification had to do with his policies concerning the Jews. He’s still demonized, but for new reasons. His demonic reputation has been hijacked.
Another example: the frightening accusation of having been a collaborationist was always very imprecise. It could refer to friendliness with the Germans, or to having the wrong opinions… But now, the word no longer has any connotation of treachery: it’s all about the Jews.
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When Pat Buchanan says that WWII was unnecessary, it may sound to older people as an affront to WWII veterans. But to young people, it now sounds as an affront to the Jews, as all young people know that WWII was about the Jews. I think this is illogical. If the Jews really think that they lost 6 million people in the war, they should agree with Buchanan that the war was a bad idea, even though they liked the idea of bombing Germany.
The author should do more research on Tom Hanks. I believe him to be 1/4, if not 1/2 Jewish. So this was another TOTAL Jewish propaganda piece from top to bottom. As was Saving Private Ryan.
I can’t even watch this crap anymore. I once ate it up. Thanks Zionist scum for ruining my life, the lives of millions and the world. When will our suffering under these tyrants end?
When?
Bob,
It would end REALLY QUICKLY if the real truth about who did 911and murdered 3,000 people in broad daylight came out.
HBO’s Band of Brothers wasn’t the only show on that network which displayed some lubrication of the truth. The docu-drama ‘Conspiracy’, which allegedly documented the Wannsee Conference, begins with a Big Lie.
It is stated by Reinhard Heydrich (Kenneth Branagh) that the house where the conference occurs was confiscated from a wealthy Jew, and that he intends to live there after the war.
The Wannsee Villa was actually owned by a German financier, a Gentile, who SOLD the villa to the Nazis in order to pay his legal fees. He was being tried for running the largest Ponzi scheme in German history to that date.
There was a page on Wikipedia about the villa, which has been conveniently expunged. Now the link to the Wannsee Villa points back to the Wannsee Conference page, which makes no mention of how the villa was acquired by the Nazis.
George Orwell was right about how truth can be removed from human discourse, it seems.
@ Symphony Sid …
Google, Facebook, Wikipedia, Yahoo!, MySpace, and eBay are ALL ‘Jewish’ (Yiddish) creations.
NOTE: Google operates an R&D centre in Israel (announced 2008).
Wikipedia was started by two Jews: one a programmer, the other an ‘Adult Site’ owner/operator. It began as a project named Nupedia, which was launched in March 2000 by Larry Sanger and Jimmy Wales.
Wales recruited Larry Sanger (a ‘Jew’), who was then finishing a Ph.D. in philosophy at the Ohio State University. They had got to know each other during their joint participation in online mailing lists and Usenet discussion groups. Sanger was to become the paid Editor-in-Chief of the new site.
James (Jimbo) Wales’s company called Bomis, an Internet search portal and a vendor of online “erotic images” … which used to feature the “Bomis Babe Report”, picked up the tab for the start-up costs initially.
A computer programmer named Ben Kovitz (another ‘Jew’) then suggested to Larry Sanger (then Nupedia’s editor-in-chief) to transfer the online encyclopedia to a Wiki support. Larry and Jimmy Wales accepted this idea, and so Wikipedia almost seamlessly replaced Nupedia … to become what we see today. In other words, Nupedia morphed into Wikipedia thanks to the suggestion of Ben Kovitz.
Sanger left in 2002, to take up a professorship/lecturer position at Ohio State University.
“Bomis dot com” was begun by Jimmy Wales as an online Playboy. Users could use a search engine to find ‘girls’. Wales attended the University of Alabama and after graduation became a Futures Trader in the Yiddish Mob city of Chicago. He is also the ‘darling’ of the Jewish crowd at Harvard, being a Fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet and Society, at the Harvard Law School.
Now you know why Wikipedia routinely censors anything that might flatter the Germans or Germany, and/or question the behaviour of the Allies, and the honesty of our (perverse) World War II orthodoxy.
As far as politics and ‘Jews’ are concerned, Wikipedia is NOTHING MORE THAN A PRIVATE BLOG, and an ethnic propaganda tool. Despite its origins, the ordinary public still respond to appeals for donations from Jimmy Wales, by subsidizing the very thing that was created to help condition and mislead them under the name of “education”.
I hope this short explanation leaves you with no more doubts.
The sixth paragraph of this article is wrong. The soldier that yells at the German columns is ot the Jewish soldier (Liebgott) it is Webster, who is the literary major that partly finsihed college before the war began.
Also, the troops that shoot the German prisoners while the 101′s truck column drive by are either French or Belgian, judging by the uniforms, helmets, and the rifles.
Most all of his shows are just propaganda & should be taken as such. He is great about doing magnificent shows, but they are still just propaganda.
this is off topic but xanadu–you made an excellent call on the safety of the bush regime’s killer elite! although you left out the generals, all in all you really touched the innervating nerve in this massive charade. also, by that same reasoning all constitutionalists should fear for the usurper’s safety at hands of the mossad and/or the islamic/muslim brotherhood. his slicky boy, ‘tyrone alinsky’ con won’t work with these guys. after all they are not the republican leadership, white sports fans or oprah devotees. one side already sees him as an apostate while the other as an ungrateful black rat. so, special care must be taken by secret service, the marines, and dhs to keep him healthy to stand trial for his many, many crimes against the american people. forget any notion of impeachment. that remedy is only available to remove a president which there is strong indication this guy ain’t. plus, once it is shown he is an illegal alien, possibly an agent of a foreign power, and his election in 2008 was fraudulent at several levels–as his election probably was to the u.s.senate–which means he wasn’t legally elected as president. therefore everything he did, every appointment (judges, cabinet, etc), every law signed, every treaty entered, etc. are nullities…they didn’t legally happen. that means, among other benefits, hillary the hun will not only be out but also held to answer in connection with her illegal appointment as sec of state. kagan and sotomayor will be out and back at race hustling against caucasian males. that alone would be worth getting a quadruple by-pass and circumcision just to hang around a little longer to watch the fun as pelosi tries to explain away her representations that the mutt was eligible for office of president. what a hoot. so, all the players in this piece of political porn must be kept physically safe and in the pink, as though they were national treasures, until the blind lady renders justice. to do otherwise is to risk his reelection and his image being carved on mt rushmore.
That’s probably not the real John Orloff commenting about errors in this article. At least not the John Orloff who directed the BOB episode this article is about. That’s because that Mr. Orloff is in fact part Jewish. Here’s a picture of him btw: http://tinyurl.com/29a48gz
He’s part of the nepotism / I have a job in Hollywood because my family been in the biz for decades crowd. His great grandparents were Fibber Magee and Molly on the radio, and some of their descendants inter-married with Jews in Hollywood. Oh, just because someone looks Jewish doesn’t mean they are Jewish or part Jewish. Especially not in Hollywood, does it?
Could you be more specific on Orloff’s ancestry? I couldn’t find anything in a brief search. Kevin M
So in your research you noticed no doubt that my great grandparents met at a christian school. My parents were also BOTH taught in christian schools k-12, and I was baptized. And as far as I know, pretty much nobody in the business today knows anything about Fibber McGee and Molly, and I never got an nepotistic boosts from it.
It’s a drag when the truth doesn’t quite coincide with white supremacy fantasies, doesn’t it?
Anyway, I only bring this up to demonstrate that none of you have any idea what you’re talking about….
Just to clarify, you say I’m Jewish because… you THINK I look jewish.
Well, that sums up all your arguments. You THINK things, ergo they are true.
Unfortunately, that’s not how reality or history works.
One strange thing about Spielberg is that he adopted a black child years ago. His movies always have a pro-Jewish slant, but I have a feeling he is a strange individual on many fronts.
Jehovahs witnesses were in the concentration camps also, but I didn’t see a single purple triangle in the show. Witnesses could have left the camps if they would sign a paper denouncing thier faith, not many did.
If your going to do a show on concentration camps why not show everyone that was in them, jw’s, jews, gypsy, homos etc… Get the facts right spielbergo
The facts WERE right Tasal. Get your history right Tsal.
They didn’t spread prisoners out across camps, to create a rainbow coalition of prisoners in each camp. There were dozens of types of prisoners taken to forced labour camps . Should we have put ALL those types to failry represent them all? Even if that has nothing to do with the historical truth of who was at the camp?
Being your a writer John you might want to work on your Wiki entry because it’s in pretty poor condition. “After ten years working on commercials, he met a development executive, now his wife, from the HBO television network.” That’s it, no name for her, nothing. Perhaps you like to tell us?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Orloff
America fought WW2 for the same reason it fought WW1 – to stop Germany becoming a superpower.
The fact is the Germans did kill Jews on a massive scale during WW2. Sticking up for the Nazis is not going to win us any supporters.
Why would I do that, Helvena? Why is it relevant to the countless errors in the above review, or the countless errors about me personally in the above review and feedback?
Are you concerned my wife’s a “Jew” plotting to take over the world THROUGH me? No such luck. Episcopalian. Ancestors on the Mayflower…. I’m sure you can say the same about your “purity”, can’t you?
See, the whole rant above (its not a review) is based on nonsense. At least how it fits into an imaginary Jewish conspiracy.
I wrote the truth, nothing more. The reason there is more in the episode than in the book: I did primary research interviewing the vets, and got them to tell me things they didn’t tell Ambrose. Spielberg never gave me one note to change something, or one direction what to write. I wrote entirely my own thing.
Anyway– no offense, I am done engaging at this site. I only posted because I thought it rather funny that you all ASSUME I am Jewish (based solely on a picture!!! Can you smell a Jew as well as recognize them by a picture? Or is it just based on the size of the nose?), and in on some secret plot. neither of which is accurate. My grandparents would be rather…. shocked, actually.
Orloff by the way, is a White Russian name. Counts. Lovers of Catherine the Great. etc. Russian Orthodox. Though i am not.
If that’s the case then the onus falls upon you to explain why you chose to demonize the German soldiers in standard Jewish textbook fashion, rather than, as the review argues you might have done, humanize them. Did you interview any Germans? Pshaw!
A couple weeks ago I walked by a big, impressive display in my grocery store by some new movie called “Special Ops.” My oh my, did those young soldiers (a proper multi-culti crew, but definitely with a White male present) look impressive and Cool! Probably blowing up all sorts of people and wreaking mayhem in village after village. But oh, to be such a hero. The young male is easily affected by such portrayals, because every young male wants to be a hero to his people or country. So the Jews set up for him, according to their objectives and with their great propaganda-making faculty of Hollywood, what heroism is to be this year.
They are recruiting Gentiles for their war (Iraq, Afghanistan, ad infinitum). Some years back their team began cranking out movies in which Gentile soldiers are depicted humanly, affectingly, heroically. They did it in the ’40′s, same way. Spielberg has been in the lead, serving the tribe and trying to make war and soldiering seem attractive to White boys.
Note: It might have been “Black Ops.” Something like that. But it was clear from the portrayals of the characters that These Young People Were Cool, and they were blowing up lots of stuff.
But it was clear from the portrayals of the characters that These Young People Were Cool, and they were blowing up lots of stuff.
In flashbacks, in-between being tortured for information by their CIA handlers. It’s a video game, by the way. Set in 1945-1965, a prequel of sorts to the massively succesful Modern Warfare games, the second of which revolved around rogue SAS troopers trying to stop an American conspiracy to incite a global war against Russia.
Not to go too far off the plantation, but as an old-guard nerd and a child of the late 70s and early 80s who still plays a videogame now and again, the confusion over what Black Ops is– movie or game?– is apropos.
The big games now [i]are[/i] movies (and are the largest-selling entertainment medium, as everyone knows); as such they have taken on all the trappings of modern Hollywood.
They no longer are niche products for computer hobbyists, made by WASPs who like Math, Norse Mythology, Dungeons and Dragons and their computers; they are mega-market, mass-appeal, don’t think but sit-back-and-watch blockbusters churned-out by billion-dollar corporations owned and operated by Jews, the games themselves written by Jews, pimped and promoted by Jews, and with all the standard Jew features of other popular entertainment media; token ethnics, gay and interracial sex; themes of the evils of racism– and on and on.
And of course the business model is thoroughly kosher as well: you no longer buy a box and play a game; instead a consumer is strung along endlessly and nickel-and-dimed to death fleshing out the features that didn’t come in the initial purchase.
Not to sound too terrible silly, but videogames are now Jew-occupied territory, and they are sucking all the shekels and life out of them they can.
Working in Hollywood with name like Orloff I bet that more than once you’ve got a foot in the door because a Jew has assumed you were Jewish. They are just as ethnocentric as us.
By the way….
John Orloff
NOT Jonathan Orloff
John= New Testament. I am not aware of any Jew using the name John.
How can you call yourself an anti-semite white supremacist without knowing the difference between John and Jonathan???
@ John O
I guess you are aware that the newsman Chris Wallace is Jewish. That’s Chris as in Christopher. LOL. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Wallace_(journalist)
Jews also use most common German surnames, and the most common Jewish surname in the US is Miller.
“I’ve checked out the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War and the statement is quite correct – not a single mention of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.”
That’s pretty amazing when you think about it. As are all the comments mentioning “six million” that pre-date Hitler. I suppose they all revolve around jews trying to get to America.
Completely off-topic but i wonder what would have happened if the bulk of the jews had left Europe before 1917. The Russians and East Europeans would have been spared their Bolshevik holocaust at least. An interesting counter-factual basis for a novel.
OK good point. But there are still loads calling themselves Jon and so I still think a few people have thought you were Jewish when you were introduced. In a business as competitive as yours that can’t have hurt, can it?
I really wish people like Spielberg would stop making bad movies about World War II. I never liked Saving Private Ryan because it diminished the true heroism of the American soldiers. Of course, we can look back and see that had the British and the Germans both had more wisdom, a disastrous war might have been avoided. But nonetheless, the way that Spielberg portrays them lacks the true honor they deserve.
This is particularly annoying because I have heard so many Whites talk about how “profound” Saving Private Ryan is, when of course it is not. I never saw Band of Brothers, except for the clips, and it struck the same depressing chord Saving Private Ryan did.
So, having an American soldier portrayed as yelling ‘fascist pigs” at German soldiers is a silly. Having known many warriors from that generation I assure you they didn’t think that way. That is simply a Jewish rewrite of history. Again, they want to sneak the idea into the public’s mind that the only thing of interest in WWII was how Jews were treated in Europe. In that sense, these movie are truly profane.
The reason it’s relevent John is because I don’t think you are a very good writer or an honest one which means there must be some reason you’ve had the opportunities you’ve had. No John the Big Jews and their Gentile pals won’t rule the world with the likes of you, but you will have done nothing to stop the destruction that they’ve brought and that they will continue to bring. So think about that the next time you write about war, think about the men who make the money.
And by the way John, I use the word *Jew* as an adjective, so now you understand why I think you’re one.
Charles Dodgson has now replied to some of the comments on his article on Band of Brothers. His reply appears as a blog item. http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/11/charles-dodgson-replies-to-comments/
Ciaran
November 27, 2010 – 10:10 am |
They were the Penultimate Worst Generation. So ignorant, and so very proud of their blind obedience. Selfish beyond belief, and narrow in scope. No sense of racial kinship at all.They then spawned the Baby Boomers. The Worst Generation. The Final Crime of the Race Traitor Generation.
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Ciaran,
I think you will find this story of interest – since it adroitly and deftly reinforces what you are saying (it is not that long, so I will post it in its entirety):
Writers. Sheesh. Studs Terkel called WW2 “The Good War” and it was…
…for him. He didn’t fight in it. (His perforated eardrums couldn’t take the loud noises, it seems.) And he made a bit of money with his book.
They’re called the greatest generation, but I remember when they were called “materialists” and “fascists” and “racists” by their all knowing children, the hippies, back in the 60′s. Though I don’t agree with Ciarin’s opinion of them, the greatest generation wasn’t great, they just seem that way when compared to the piece of shit baby boomers that followed them.
“Mr. Orloff” protests too much. The Hasbara playbook routine of inducing guilt isn’t working here. Just as it seems to be working a little less well each month on the overall population. I like his calling us “white supremacists”. This from someone who claims to work amongst the most ethno-centric, ethno-supremacist group on earth.
Maybe he’ll provide us with more sophomoric tales designed to tug at our heartstrings. Then again, I hope not. The predictable material he’s spouted so far is just more retread rhetoric that’s even begun to challenge the warranty granted it by the tribe.
@John Orloff
“…my great grandparents met at a christian school. My parents
were also BOTH taught in christian schools k-12, and I was baptized.”
So what?
Being jewish is about DNA. Anyone, even jews, can go to a christian school and get baptized. If you honestly think you’re not jewish you need to get a DNA test. Your relatives probably lied to you because they’re CRYPTO JEWS.
“And as far as I know, pretty much nobody in the business today knows anything about Fibber McGee and Molly, and I never got an nepotistic boosts from it.”
An outright lie. I’ve heard all my life from my parents and older people about Fibber McGee and Molly. It was one of the funniest most popular shows of the time. Right up there with Amos and Andy.
So “me”– just to clarify….
James and Marion Jordan–who famously met in Catholic school as children, raised their own children catholic… whose son, my grandfather James Jr., married a catholic (from the famous Norwegian Jewish clan of…Knudsen– NOT), who then raised my mother as a catholic (my mother was also a Jr.), who then had me, a Junior also, baptized a catholic…
On my father’s side same thing…. I am actually John Orloff Jr. Know any Jews who are named John OR Junior?
Lots of Popes named John. Never met a moyle or Rabbi named John though. And it is against Jewish law to name your child after a living person… which has happened in my family for generations..
But hey, you KNOW better because…why? I have a big nose??? Or because the facts of my actual life don’t fit into the great “hollywood conspiracy” you seem wedded to…
SO– somehow, a century ago maybe… you think that somebody was Jewish… and somehow in my DNA it is coded for me to be a Manchurian candidate for the Jewish cause? Just waiting a hundred years for me to come “out” as a Jew and for world domination for Jews?
Um, dude, you need some professional help….
PS, Im sure your grandparents know who my great-grandparents are.
Turns out, though, is 22 year old people in Hollywood have NO idea…
JOHN ORLOFF: “Know any Jews who are named John OR Junior? ”
Sure. How about actors Robert Downey Jr., Efrem Zimbalist Jr.; or directors John Landis and John Kandis; or actors John Houseman and John Garfield? There’s plenty of them.
Oops … that shoulda been musician/composer/singer John Kander. Got more if ya need ‘em.
And why am I the only one using a real name?
You all afraid of something???
Anyway– I won’t be returning to the insanity of this web site…
Facts seem in way too short supply here…
Hmmm, he said he was leaving a few posts ago. And why is he giving us all this personal family history? Seems like a lot of effort for a person who can’t be bothered with white supremacists.
LOLOLOL, John Jr., what makes you think Helvena isn’t my real name. LOLOLOLOL (psssss. that’s not my real pic. ;-)
I was watching “The Patriot” the other night (starring, ironically enough Mel Gibson), and it blew me away to see how the Jewish production (director/writer/executive) had co-opted even the American revolution as a Jewish cause. The villain and his men are dressed up like a nazis in a bizarre uniform, shoot children in the back and burn down a church full of worshipers in scenes more reminiscent of 1945 than 1776. All of it complete fantasy of course. But the message was clear: Americans and Jews are cousins in persecution. Unbelievable!
Let’s not forget that thousands of American men refused to be conscripted to fight WWII, and they wound up in internment camps.
Does anyone ever ask what became of the 400,000+ young women who were denied a life partner because of WWII. Many drifted into prostitution. Guess who benefited?
This is a little off topic, but there is a Jewish guy named Brad Meltzer, a novelist, who has a show called Decoded on History Channel. He is dealing with “Masonic” secrets and conspiracies.
Is this a deliberate diversion by Jews to promote sensationalism about Masonic secrets in order to divert attention from Jewish influence? If the scanty rules of evidence they use against “Masonic conspiracies” were used in analyzing Jewish power, they would go ballistic.
I also wonder if they enjoy creating the image there was something “creepy and secretive” about our Founding Fathers.
With all of the back and forth on this one, with who’s a jew and who isn’t, this look at some of the Hollywood folks celebrating Chanukah may hold a few surprises for some TOO regulars: http://tinyurl.com/8rwawj
Nose jobs, name changes and cross breeding to get the teutonic look…nothing too surprising there. All standard hollywood (and jewish) fare.
Hi, The German brothers could have chosen not to invade? Or we could have simply rolled over and be defeated by the invaders……….simple as it may seem that was the choice, though I do not remember the Polish having any say in the loss of their lives or freedom? I just hope that those contributing to this website all make good choices in life, look to support their immediate communities and families, That they enjoy and look to protect, however gained, the freedom that allows them to post on these rather obtuse websites. Wishing you all a happy and fulfilling lives. Regards NickT