Uri Avnery is an insightful observer of the Israeli scene and Judaism in general. In a recent column, he notes that the early Zionists were anti-religious, at least partly because prominent orthodox rabbis were anti-Zionist. But David Ben-Gurion subsidized “a few hundred” Yeshiva students so they could spend their time studying rather than working or joining the military. Now, these “Torah-shielded parasites” ”constitute 13% of the entire yearly crop of those liable to the draft. Moreover, 65% of all Orthodox male citizens do not work at all and live on the public purse.”
Photo from article on U.S. State Dept. Report criticizing Israel for favoring Orthodox sects (see below). Note the very close social bonds and close physical resemblance among these young men. This doubtless reflects their close genetic relatedness, their similarities accentuated by their common dress. It's an excellent one-picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words snapshot of traditional Jewish collectivism that has become politically and culturally dominant in Israel.
However, a small group of nationalist religious Jews were also encouraged by Ben Gurion. This group has prospered as well, giving rise to Gush Emunim (“the Bloc of the Faithful’), “the ideological core of the settlement movement. Nowadays this camp is directed by Rabbis whose teachings emit a strong odor of Fascism.”
This trend toward fascism is more pronounced because these two religious groups have grown together ideologically over the years, so that “the two factions are very close to each other today and together constitute an Orthodox-national-religious bloc. Indeed, the Orthodox have now become much more nationalist: “The youngsters of the Orthodox faction are seduced by the nationalist melody, unlike their fathers, for whom Israel was just like any goyim-state to be milked.” (The latter comment on the mentality of diaspora Judaism, which would be seen as egregious anti-Semitism if written for an audience in the diaspora, presumably reflects the critique of diaspora Judaism common among secular Zionists of an older generation. [Avnery was born in 1923 and came to Palestine in 1933.])
Avnery sees this new religion as unprecedented in Jewish history: “The Jewish religion in Israel is a mutation of Judaism, a tribal, racist, extreme nationalist and anti-democratic creed.” I rather doubt this, on the basis of other work. For example, the premise of Shahak & Mezvinsky’s Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel is that this is exactly what traditional Judaism was, and this fits well with the group evolutionary strategy idea. See my summary here, p. 9ff. As they note, there are strong continuities between traditional Jewish communities and contemporary Jewish religious fundamentalism in Israel: “Present day fundamentalists attempt to re-create the life of Jewish communities before the Enlightenment (i.e., prior to about 1750).”
But in any case, the result of religious education, whether national religious, Orthodox, or Shas (i.e., Sephardic–Rabbi Yosef Ovadia’s group—he of the notorious “Goyim were made only to serve us” comment) is that
all three [religious educational systems] are financed by the state at least 100%, if not much more. The differences between them are small, compared to their similarities. All teach their pupils the history of the Jewish people only (based, of course, on the religious myths), nothing about the history of the world, of other peoples, not to mention other religions. The Koran and the New Testament are the kernel of evil and not to be touched. The typical alumni of these systems know that the Jews are the chosen (and vastly superior) people, that all Goyim are vicious anti-Semites, that God promised us this country and that no one else has a right to one square inch of its land. The natural conclusion is that the “foreigners” (meaning the Arabs, who have been living here for 13 centuries at least) must be expelled — unless this would endanger the Jews.
Ultra-orthodox Jews cover their heads with a prayer shawls beside the Western Wall during ceremonies for the Blessing of the Priests, or 'Birkat Cohanim', on October 5, 2009.
Surprisingly perhaps, the US State Department has criticized the Israeli government favoritism toward the Orthodox, commenting that “government discrimination against non-Jews and non-Orthodox streams of Judaism continued.” The report criticized the Orthodox monopoly over marriage, burial and conversion.
Nevertheless, these groups are the demographic engine of Israel and of Judaism in general, and there is absolutely no reason to suppose that criticism by the US government will have any influence on Israeli policies toward the Orthodox any more than it has on West Bank settlements.
Avnery notes that the Orthodox have 5-15 children per woman. As always, demography is destiny. Avery suggests that the government effect a separation of religion and state, but at this point that is a political impossibility. In the future, it will be even less of a possibility.
Absent external factors, the logical prediction is that the reality of Israel as a racialist, expansionist, religiously fanatic ethnostate will be more and more difficult to gloss over—even for the aggressively pro-Israel media and for politicians subservient to the Israel Lobby. And the knee-jerk support for this entity by the organized Jewish community and the vast majority of Jews throughout the West must inevitably expose the glaring hypocrisy of the support by this elite group for massive non-White immigration and all things multicultural throughout the West.
Facing the Future as a Minority
And the knee-jerk support for this entity by the organized Jewish community throughout the West must inevitably expose the glaring hypocrisy of the support by this elite group for massive non-White immigration and all things multicultural throughout the West.
This is obviously the thin edge of the wedge. Westerners will not tolerate the idea that they are inferior in rights (legal, cultural, racial, spiritual, ethnic, or otherwise) to Jews. And they will increasingly refuse to tolerate the deception, obfuscation and sophistry Jews always substitute for real discussion of the matter.
Ethnopatriots should be like pit bulls on the issue, never losing their focus or grip on the matter at hand. When we demand for ourselves the ethnic rights Jews have for themselves in Israel, Jews will throw up many diversions and obfuscations. E.g., “Jews have a special history of persecution.” This is special pleading (a logical fallacy) that boils down to superior Jewish rights and a Jewish reading of history (not to mention the idiotic notion that a people must be physically defeated before they’re allowed, by Jews & their fellow travelers, to defend themselves). E.g., “it’s all about religion.” The proper response is, of course, “fine, we want that kind of religion, and religious rights, for ourselves,” not a discussion of the merits of the offered distraction. E.g., “Israel is surrounded by enemies.” The proper response is, “we want the same right to offend,” and a dismissal of this mutation of the Jewish-Supremacist-Zionist special pleading fallacy and artificial construction of Jewish gatekeepers as arbiters of European ethnic rights.
In my experience, Jews have no defense against this. Ethnocentric Jews are present at most of the online venues I frequent, and I have never once, in years of making this argument, been confronted on the matter, much less been forced to give any ground. That’s because most Jews are smart enough to avoid battles they can’t win, and this one’s so obviously a losing battle even the stupid Jews avoid it. This is in stark contrast to most other topics of the JQ, where Jews tend to eagerly dispute every inch of ground.
It’s also a potent rhetorical weapon against liberals in general, since the Jewish ethno-state carries out its work right under their noses, putting the lie to the the entire liberal edifice, and by extension, the western zeitgeist.
“Israel is surrounded by enemies.”
I reply that Israel CREATED the enemies. Always
The Jews consider the “Wailing Wall” as some sort of a stargate, as in the TV series & movies, an entrance to heaven where God is actually present. When a piece of paper with a prayer written on it is pushed into a crack in the “Wailing Wall” the Jews consider it to be in the presence of God. This may sound ape shit crazy, but, that’s what the Jews believe, and I think that one heck of a lot more of them believe it than just the ultra orthodox. Why else would every damn American politican be interested in sticking their message to God in it. Unless it was really a popular political thing to do.
Let’s not forget that Stephen the first Christian martyr was killed by the Jews for questioning God’s presence in the temple, and even the necessity for a temple!
I know the Roman Catholics have some whackey beliefs about the adoration of the bread and the actual presence of God too.
Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53)
Tom,
Not only the wall, but the Foundation Stone and the Well of Souls is why Israelis are trying to destroy the Dome of the Rock. The TV series Lost, attempted to explore this idea in their last episodes.
Here’s a thought – is it better for us, that is, the broader pro-white movement – if the Jews become more religious again, or if they continue to remain largely secular, as they are now?
There is going to be a credibility problem for White Nationalists who characterize Jewish Nationalists as fascist. I mean they are not really doing much different than what we would like to.
There is absolutely no credibility problem here. If Jews want to be ultranationalist in their own land then good luck to them. The only issue here is that supporters of Israel would deny white people the same right to a similarly nationalist stance within their own nations.
Only those who support state-subsidized loafing and anti-Christian religious fanaticism need worry about credibility problems
Exactly!
National socialism and Fascism is not the same. So what defines a fascist society? Often times, fascism is subconsciously linked to the grainy black and white pictures of marauding Wermacht and SS troops from the 1940s. However, this shows a mental normalness which is incorrect. While Nazism did have fascist overtones, Nazism is not a form of government. Nazism is political ideology implemented through the use of a fascist government system. It is this system that needs to be understood and not the policy employed through it. This is vital since any form of government yes, including a democracy can be operated through a fascist structure. It is not exclusive to a dictatorship. That fascist structure of government begins with the co-option of corporate and government interests becoming one in the same. This is the primary transition in the nature and operation of the government apparatus. Corporate power is not so much as protected; it is one in the same as government power. Hence the government is an extension of the corporate powerbrokers in society.
I have always wondered what do ultra-orthodox Jews think about Jewish leftists/feminists/multiculturalists.
Here in Croatia, almost all Jews are atheists and hard-core leftists. There was no rabbi in Croatia until the mid-1990s.
Jews in this part of Europe almost exclusively see themselves as an ethnic group, and not as a religious group (and Jews are actually recognized by the Croatian Constitution as one of the “national minorities” living in Croatia, along with Serbs, Germans, Italians, Ukrainians, Hungarians, etc.).
And this Jews are very pro-feminist, pro-multicultural pro-socialist and aggressively anti-religious.
So, I would really like to ask ultra-orthodox Jews what is there opinion on this leftist Jews… What do they think about Trotsky, Marx, Moshe Pijade, Sverdlov etc., etc.
Tom has some whacky ideas about what Catholics believe. Ignorant divisive statements, even as asides of no relevance to the issue at hand, tend to divide. Those who are divided can be conquered. Perhaps that is Tom’s intent in wandering into areas he knows nothing of.
@ felipeb
You are in denial, and that ain’t a river in Egypt.
Eucharistic adoration is big in Mexico, and with Mexicans, if that’s any consolation to you. :)
A Jew is anyone who benefits from Judaism and aim of Judaism IS ZIONISM!
I just read an interesting and revealing comment on Judaism from British philosopher Bryan Magee:
‘Of the religions I have studied, the one I found least worthy of intellectual respect was Judaism. I have no desire to offend any of my readers, but the truth is that while reading foundational Jewish texts I often found myself thinking: “How can anyone possibly believe this?” When I put that question to Jewish friends they often said that no intelligent Jew did. To quote the precise words of one: “There’s no a single intelligent Jew in the country who believes the religion.” What they do believe, they tell me, is that it is desirable that traditional observances should be kept be at least some Jews because it is these observances more than anything else that give the Jewish people its identity, and therefore its cohesion; but that the doctrinal content or implications of the observances are not expected to be taken with full intellectual seriousness by intelligent people.’
This comment is revealing in many ways. It typifies that Judaism is, first and foremost, a group evolutionary strategy by a genetically distinct population. Secondly, it reveals why the average Western secular Jew is sanguine about supporting Gush Emunin and other ultra-orthodox movements in Israel. They know that Judaism is a racial-nationalist movement decked out in the garb of religion and that what counts most, over and above doctrinal truth, is the group cohesion of Jews as a distinct ethnic community.
At the same time both religious and secular Jews are fiercely opposed to manifestations of group cohesion on the part of white people – in the eyes of most Jews we are all, no matter what our politics, proto-Nazis. That’s why they aggressively pursue the destruction of the pillars of Western civilisation – white group cohesion, Christianity, marriage, the nuclear family, patriotism – as aggressively as the Allies imposed the denazification policy in Germany in the 1940s and 1950s. Most Jews essentially make no distinction.
The truth is rarely pure and never simple, particularly when trying to differentiate between Orthodox and secular Jews. To be honest, I don’t see all that much difference between the two. Jews simply do not come across to me as spiritual beings. In fact, many possess a fierce nihilistic streak.
Baron Evola speculated that while Judaism may have at one time been a genuine religious tradition, it mutated into the nihilistic and parasitic “evolutionary strategy” we know today after the Hebrew state was smashed by the Babylonian Empire. This would explain the presence of a certain amount of spiritual material interspersed with the ethnocentric nonsense that Magee picked up on, and the lack of spirituality you noticed.
Is the Jewish community in America becoming more Orthodox/Conservative/religious or less? It seems like I have heard both claims made. On the one hand, the Orthodox are having more children in America as I understand it. On the other hand, there are Jews marrying outside of Judaism, like Jon Stewart. But my impression is that overall the more conservative Orthodox wing is growing over the more liberal Jewish faction.
“There is going to be a credibility problem for White Nationalists who characterize Jewish Nationalists as fascist. I mean they are not really doing much different than what we would like to.”
I think it’s justified to be inconsistent when dealing with inconsistent people.
Avnery:
“But lo and behold, upon coming to Israel, they subordinated themselves to the Ashkenazis and adopted their blind fanaticism, together with the kaftan and the hats that originated in cold Eastern Europe, where they were worn by the non-Jewish upper classes in bygone centuries. Their Sephardi party, Shas, is slavishly subservient to the Ashkenazi Orthodox. Their ”spiritual” leader, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, grovels before the East European anti-Hassidic Rabbis (called “Lithuanians”).”
…and this is how they repaid him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv_xU6-9Rb4&feature=related
My country is being bled to death to pay for those FREAKS.
Avnery said that there is a “Halakhic ruling that forbids the provocation of the Goyim, because it could cause harm to the Jews.”
At least 70% of Diaspora Jews violate this ruling every day.
Tom,
I am not in any sort of denial. But I think your understanding of the Roman Catholic Church and its customs may be a tad incomplete. The Church casts a wide net and its core beliefs are far less comprehensive than outsiders generally think. It has a great tolerance for pious beliefs and pious practices. These give people pleasure, purpose and, more importantly, solace. Most are not universal or canonical. Theological details are not a part of the faith of the vast majority of the Church’s adherents.This is true of any religion. They do not belong in the political realm. It is best to leave them out. Comments on them are unnecessary and tend to be divisive. It is easier to be allied with you if you refrain from belittling my coreligionists.
Totally agree. Love it or hate it, Christianity is not going to simply disappear anytime soon, so it’s far better to use it a force for promoting the racial cohesion of white people than bash it and thereby alienate a HUGE number of conservative patriotic white people.
This is not to say that we shouldn’t attack the more egregious stances taken by particular Christian groups (Christian Zionism springs to mind), but to attack the whole edifice is utterly counterproductive. If you think large numbers of white people are going to suddenly abandon 2000 year old cultural legacy en masse and embrace some kind of Neo-Nietzschean racialist cult you are kidding yourself.
The immediate problem with Christianity is how anti-White and self-sacrificial it is. The Catholic Church in America has favored Mexican immigration for decades. And in the 80s Catholic bishops were constantly condemning the US military and our nuclear program, which basically gave aid and comfort to the USSR. The mainline Protestant churches favor sanctuary cities as well and fight for every Leftist cause there is. And the Evangelicals can’t wait to sacrifice their sons for Israel.
The short term answer? Well it would help if the damn Christians would start talking back to their clergy. Stop giving them money, stop going to churches that support open borders, amnesty and other forms of lawlessness. The next time a reverend stands up and says it is your purpose in life to be sacrificed for whatever Third World person he is slobbering over today, stand up in the church and say F you! And then walk out and never return.
A more revolutionary move away from a sick religion would be a good thing, but in the short run, cutting off support for anti-American, pro-Left, anti-White churches would be a great start.
I totally agree that conservative Christians have to become far more activist within their Churches – and call out rank leftist propagandizing when they see it. Conservative Christians potentially have VAST political power in the US if only they could get their act together. They are the only force that could potentially crush Jewry. We are not going to achieve anything without their support. If we could get conservative Christians rallying behind a Pat Buchanan type figure we could affect massive social change in a very short time. Organised Jewry know it – and hence their rabid paranoia about the Christian Right.
I tried to go to Church this AM. The “minister” quoted the “swords into plowshares” line, from Isaiah (OT right before Christmas!) and then showed the aging congregation slides of Communits scuplture. The statue that Soviets “gave us” – that stands in front of the ghastly UN. And embarrassingly STUPID (yes – I’m shouting) pictures of other types of “artwork” – guns, made into “sculptures” ures” of bunny rabbits, and bicycles. The idea was, “Let’s get rid of all those nasty guns, and live in perfect harmony, with “all races and colors” and do good stuff, ‘n feed people, like the wonderful UN sez, and everything will be just groovy! Wow! She also nattered on about the Temple being rebuilt. Uh-oh.
I was horrified, and outraged. I was so cheesed I was gonna disrupt the sermon – but I waited until it was over, in deference to my husband. I did call her out, immediately afterwards. I asked her to give a sermon on the millions and millions and millions of Christians, murderded by Communists – the Soviets – in the 20th Century. She just stood there, looking insipid. I turned around and stalked out. I’m not going back.
Now – this IS a Mainstream Conservative “Christian ” Church. All the others around here are the same, or worse. There’s another Methodist Church, nearby. The “minister” is married to a Jewess. My hubby and I had been checking out the local churches, in order ot find a suitable place for our wedding. So we met with various ministers. This one guy had a Jewish “bible” of some sort, on his desk. No New Testament anywhere to be found. He and I got into a polite, brief, verbal bitch-slappig contest, over doctrine.
I settled on the place I stalked out of today, as it was the best of the lot. After this AM – I told him not to bug me about attending “Church” anymore. I’d rather read the Bible myself, then fork over dough to some Zio-Xian shill for the Hebes.
So, Glen – if you or any-one else here knows of any genuinely Christian Churches – please tip me off. Thanks.
@ Ted
Jesus was a Semite, and Semites tend to wildy exaggerate.
Even if Jesus wasn’t a Semite, he was brought up among them, and would have talked like them.
I don’t know if Semite exaggeration is a genetic, or a cultural trait? But, you should keep Semite exaggeration in mind, particularly when Christ is addressing the Jews, as in the sentence from John that you quoted.
Btw, I’m not sure that “Verily, verily,” isn’t a better translation than “I tell you the truth”. :) There probably is humor in the New Testament that we totally miss today.
@Svigor
“That’s because most Jews are smart enough to avoid battles they can’t win, and this one’s so obviously a losing battle even the stupid Jews avoid it.”
Yes i’ve done this hundreds of times since changing sides and it is very dramatic. They clam up instantly. Sometimes one of the brain-washed will continue arguing the point but the jew will then shut them up. If you make arguments they don’t want the people listening to hear they’ll clam up. If nothing else convinces you they’re engaged in conscious tribal warfare then that will. It’s why you’ll never see them debate someone like the Professor unless they rig it as an ambush.
Scotsman
“Here’s a thought – is it better for us, that is, the broader pro-white movement – if the Jews become more religious again”
Israel secular, diaspora religious imo. In the diaspora the more visible they are the harder it is for them to take over plus the more religious they are the more insular they are and the less they want to take over. In Israel it’s better if they’re more secular as otherwise sooner or later there’ll be a nuclear masada.
We have the worst of both worlds.
@Someday
“There is going to be a credibility problem for White Nationalists who characterize Jewish Nationalists as fascist.”
There is definitely the potential for a credibility problem depending on who is doing the attacking. One way to get round it that can work for anybody is to not make a moral judgement on the issue itself, just use the issue as an example to make a moral judgement on the double standard.
You can attack double-standards in a work-safe way all day long i.e
“I’m not saying anything about that i’m just saying why is it ok for Israel to…blah blah..when if any western country did it…blah blah.”
Israel does have policies which are more morally objectionable than most White Nationalists would wish to put into practice in the West, but they are in a conflict with the Palestinians so that gives its supporters an out; they’ll say there is not a direct comparison with the West.
I suspect an ongoing conflict with the Palestinians serves a purpose in that Israel gets a pass on its ethnically targeted security measures which have the effect of making Israel an Apartheid state run for the benefit of Jews and Jews alone. If Israel ever concludes a final agreement with the Palestinians that would lead to them being judged as what they say they are – a normal democratic state. Israel would be impossible to defend if it continued as an ethno-state after a final peace agreement.
Israel lives by double stands & continues to get other countries to ‘defend’ them by continually reminding everyone of WWII.
“For a hundred years, jewish archeology has sought, in vain, to prove the existence of David’s kingdom, in order to establish once and for all our historic right to the city. Not a shred of evidence has been found to prove that King David ever existed, not to mention his huge empire stretching from Egypt to Hamath in Syria. There is no evidence for the Exodus from Egypt, the Conquest of Canaan, David and his son Solomon. On the contrary, there is no little evidence, especially in ancient Egyptian records, that seem to show that all this never happened.”
– Uri Avnery, The Other Israel (October 10, 2009)
I don’t accept the “jews are HIGH IQ” theory at all, having spent a lifetime around them.
I do think their strategy and cohesion as a group has enabled them to achieve, as far as one can observe, a victory over the Whites. Perhaps a total victory. The US is THEIRS, lock, stock and barrel. Their alliance with China is solid and LONGSTANDING.
My question to the good doctor is twofold:
What made our people so willing, indeed, EAGER to go along with their own extinction
And why are there people, such as here, who, having experienced the same propaganda the same social immersions, have never bought into the plan, or some who have SEEN THROUGH it after initial acceptance.
How do you explain that? It seems our fellow Whites are EXCEPTIONAL for their accepting and aiding their own demise.
E.G. the students at the college in Oregon.
Commencement Address at Portland State University in Portland, Oregon
June 13, 1998 William J. Clinton
“Today, largely because of immigration, there is no majority race in Hawaii or Houston or New York City. Within 5 years, there will be no majority race in our largest State, California. In a little more than 50 years, there will be no majority race in the United States.”
When Clinton made the last remark, “In a little more than 50 years, there will be no majority race in the United States.” the students, WHITE students, climbed upon their chairs and CHEERED him.
John Romer woke me up on the historicity of the Old Testament, pure bunk.
One factor in why so many Whites cheer their own demise is guilt. From the time they are in kindergarden, White children are made to feel deep guilt for the “historical mistreatment” of non-Whites. They are made to feel like targets of malice due to their “privileged” position. Therefore, as a cowardly way out, many think that cheerful submission is a way to escape scorn and danger. They may not explicitly think this through but I think it’s part of the motivation. A lot of us forget just how bad White students are made to feel.
So they actually believe that by giving up power, they will be safer! Of course, the exact opposite is true.
Also, I don’t think these White students understand that with the eclipse of Whites in America, the whole culture and way of life they have enjoyed will be taken from them. They don’t understand the negative consequences.
Jeff Maylor: “One factor in why so many Whites cheer their own demise is guilt.”
That’s the company line around here, of course. It’s an easy sell because it makes White people feel good, the implication being that you must be a really virtuous person in order to have felt such guilt. Now, I’m sure the self-admitted Jew Jeff Maylor will say he also felt such guilt, because we all know how virtuous the Jews are, and how they never lie about anything at all; but speaking for myself, I can’t say I ever suffered even one second of guilt for slavery, or the Holocaust, or any other thing that I had nothing to do with. I’m genuinely curious though. How many here claim they used to feel, or still feel guilt about such things? And for any recovering guilt addicts, did/do you actually feel the guilt, or was it more like just participating in a mass delusion, an exercise in social conformity you didn’t really understand, but just went along with?
Gentlemen: the normal regular Christian on the street has no desire let alone patience to delve into all these theo-ethnical philosophy. He wants and needs a set of very clear and precise ideas which he can follow and expect to get necessary results.
Like the one in old song: The jew is always jew – you never change it, as sure as the sky high above…. What in the world make the difference if less than one jew in a million disobeys Talmud and Rebe? Be realistic.
Der weiße Engel, why the need for dishonesty? You know I’m not Jewish. Now, as to the “line”about guilt around here, I don’t think anyone can deny that felt guilt plays a big part in White people’s self-destructive action. But I certainly don’t mean that Whites should feel guilty. I think it is totally inappropriate. So, I don’t mean to imply that Whites ARE guilty of anything, they aren’t – except being to nice.
The best thing that ever happened to Africans was being hauled over to the US as slaves. Their standard of living went up dramatically. The holocaust, to the extent that it happened, was just part of an ethnic conflict of which humanity has had thousands. And certainly no White American should feel bad about it.
As for myself, I never felt any guilt really, although I can remember in the 3rd grade feeling like slavery was a terrible thing and that the South had been bad, because of what our teacher taught us. Personally, I know those feelings had faded by 4th grade. But, I had many other sources for information and history. Many Americans don’t. The junk they are fed by Leftist teachers is all they ever hear about history. Think about that.
But I really do sense some kind of moral cowardice from most Whites on this issue, some real fear at the base of it. It is as if the accusation of “racism” as tapped into whatever primitive part of the brain responds to taboo fears. It’s like they are being accused of incest. They become hyper-defensive.
And just to be clear, Whites should not feel any guilt at all. All people throughout history have fought each other, Whites were just better at it (and we were much kinder to the defeated). The Native Americans had been killing each other for thousands of years before Whites ever showed up.
Jeff Maylor: “Der weiße Engel, why the need for dishonesty? You know I’m not Jewish.”
I know nothing of the kind.
As I pointed out to you before, Maylor is a variant spelling of more familiar Jewish surnames like Mailer, or Mahler. You even admitted it:
“… I’m totally using my real name. And on a site that discusses Jewish influence I’m using my real Jewish name.”
Of course, when called out for being a liar, the Jew always cries tu quoque and hopes to lie his way out. Every Jew learns that on his first day in shul. Right, bagel breath?
Once you understand that Maylor is a Jew, his vested interest in pushing libertarian ideologies, hatred of Hitler and Nazism, toning down expressions of racism, and talk of White revolution, etc., becomes easy to understand. And it also explains his interest in peddling this guilt idea.
Jeff Maylor: “Now, as to the “line”about guilt around here, I don’t think anyone can deny that felt guilt plays a big part in White people’s self-destructive action.”
Oh, it can be denied alright. That’s why I’m asking. I’d like to know exactly what the symptoms were, because I think the phenomenon at issue bears much more resemblance to a manifestation of plain old social conformity than to guilt. It’s an important distinction, because just acting like a lemming isn’t laudable at all, whereas those who lay claim to “White guilt” as a motive are surreptitiously claiming to be virtuous, sensitive souls. Frankly, I doubt it. What were the symptoms of such guilt? Did they cry themselves to sleep at night? Did they personally apologize to negroes or Jews? Inquiring minds want to know!
‘All people throughout history have fought each other, Whites were just better at it (and we were much kinder to the defeated). The Native Americans had been killing each other for thousands of years before Whites ever showed up.’
Exactly. The notion that Black or Asians would not have invaded Europe and enslaved Europeans if they had the brains and technological wherewithall to do so is laughable. Historically Europe has been constantly buffeted by waves of non-white invaders (Turks, Huns, Arabs, Jews etc). Am I glad that my ancestors butchered those that would have killed and/or enslaved my people? Absolutely. We should celebrate every battle where we routed our enemies, who otherwise would have killed and/or us. I only wish we’d do it now instead of inviting them into our countries to replace us.
You can only imagine the boasting that non-white groups would engage in if they could point to a history of civilisation-building even a fraction as impressive as that for which what white people have been responsible.
White people have given the world at least 80% of its accumulated intellectual wealth. The only reason the world is a decent place to live for so many people (of all races) is down the creative genius of generations of brilliant white scientists and engineers and artists. It’s not an idle boast to say that but for Europeans three-quarters of the world would still be living an animal-like existence.
I was resistant to the noble savage propaganda right from my early childhood. I could see what bullshit it was right from the start, and used to infuriate my teachers no end.
“Guilt” is just a convenient label to put on a psychological phenomenon. You can all it whatever you like however as the conditioning works on the majority of white people then calling conditioned by guilt is less offensive and therefore less likely to anger the people you’re trying to reach.
“All people throughout history have fought each other, Whites were just better at it”
I think this is definitely part of it. White people did exactly the same things as non-whites but they did it with better technology. I think the strand of SWPL that is independent of jews / cultural marxism is related to that: machinegun slaughter in WW1, poison gas, nukes etc.
It’s one of the reasons i think WNs should be very green (in a sensible way).
Hypocrisy watch: Check this out. The American Jewish Committee (AJC), which supports the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian people, was just given $500,000 by the Ford Foundation to enhance immigration to the United States from south of the border. Email the AJC and the Ford Foundation, and let them know what you think. To see what I’m talking about, click on http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=2818295&ct=8918759¬oc=1
You want to get action, e-mail that link along with a note to your local Ford dealer.
They may cry up and down they have nothing to do with the Ford Foundation—but—we know who funds and directs the Ford Foundation don’t we.
Ford is hyper-sensitve to this type of criticism, and Ford will pull in their horns if people bitch.
Der weiße Engel, are you an agent for some other power? What is your real motivation here? I told you to look up the word “irony” right after I said that in the statement you quoted. Is there a language problem here? Why did you deliberately leave out the rest of my quote, where I stated I was being sarcastic and made it quite clear I was not Jewish. As I said, why would I pick a Jewish sounding name, if I was Jewish, you dummy. We can pick any name we want. Either you are stupid or dishonest or a combination of both. I was pointing out that I had adopted a fake name for fun. And you know that. What are you really trying to accomplish?
I would warn people that agents hostile to the aims of this group may come online and make ridiculous claims and Der weiße Engel may be one of them.
Oh, I see. You now claim you were lying when you admitted being a Jew. But if so, since you admit to being a liar, why should we believe you aren’t lying now?
Jeff (I’m not a Jew!) Mailer: “Why did you deliberately leave out the rest of my quote, where I stated I was being sarcastic and made it quite clear I was not Jewish.”
I linked to your comment. That’s even better than quoting you. Quotes can be doctored, but anyone clicking the link can easily see that you admitted being a Jew. Now you’re trying to spin your way out by saying you were being “ironic”, but as we all know, Jews are nothing if not liars, and brazen liars at that. For all we know, maybe it was just a slow day at the ADL, and you were just having a little fun with us, seeing what you can get away with here while picking your nose like rabbi Yosef. “Hey Moshe!” you called over to the kike in the next cubicle, “Watch me fool these pathetic goyim! I’ll even TELL them I’m a Jew and they’ll be too stupid to figure it out!” Frankly, even if I wanted to believe you’re telling the truth now, the fact that you admit to being such a stupid liar makes me doubt you. And besides, as I said, there’s a lot of other evidence. Your visceral, and typically Jewish hatred of Hitler, for example; or your sour, komissar-like reaction to some types of humor on this forum.
No, I’m not convinced at all, Shlomo. Try again. I think there’s a very good chance indeed you are some kind of ADL mole, a hall monitor sent to try to steer any discussion off into unproductive, kosher directions.
Der weiße Engel, my explanation of white guilt is very clear. I made it clear that it is not justified, but that it is something that some Whites feel. Why? Because they have been indoctrinated. Why are you twisting words? Do you fully understand English? Is there some language barrier? I absolutely do not mean Whites OUGHT to feel guilt, as I clearly explained, just that the elites try and impose a feeling of guilt on White children very young and in some cases it sticks.
Der weiße Engel thinks he’s morally superior because he doesn’t feel White guilt, and never has. I doubt Der weiße Engel has ever felt guilt about anything; indeed, sociopaths are incapable of guilt.
To me, it’s obvious what happened with Nazism: Judeo-”Christian” Nazis simply evolved to mirror the Judeo-Bolshevik Communists, and the most sociopathic Aryans (plenty of them with more than a few drops of broiling Jewish blood running through their veins — and hence Judeofascist inclinations) made their way to the top just as did the most sociopathic Bolsheviks. Being incapable of feeling guilt has its materialist and careerist advantages. But sociopaths make for an ignoble, dishonorable, unprincipled and unrefined leadership, as contemporary America demonstrates, as well — hence the need for a strong Christian moral order in which nobility can rise to the top and vulgarians, Zionists, fascists, communists and other base thugs and sociopaths are kept in the gutter, where they belong.
Der weiße Engel, you are either an agent provocateur or a sociopath. You have used language in the past that would play into the hands of the ADL and the SPLC.
You have used crude ethnic slurs that no one associated with this site would use. Why? In order to litter the comment sections with your trash? And some lame attempt to make the site look bad? Anyone reading these comments should realize they are unmoderated, so the rhetoric of Der weiße Engel and the few like him do not represent this site or the people here.
Are You Making Significant Financial Contributions to the Catholic Church? To Islamic Houses of Worship? Yes – You Are and as well to Baptists, Methodists and All the Rest. Maybe It’s Time to Separate Church and State in the Tax Code.
If you are a fervent follower of a religion, you probably are not so fervent about religions other than your own. If you are Jewish, for example, you probably don’t want funds taken from your bank account or pocket to go to a mosque, a Catholic church or any other church, for that matter. And if, like the late Isaac Asimov, you are a freethinker who believes that, “properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism even conceived,” than you most likely don’t want to support any religious institution.
Unfortunately, all Americans must support all religions whether they want to or not. It’s built into our tax code. The better question might be: how long do we (believers and non-believers alike) want to continue to support the established policies that provide significant subsidies for religions to remain in place?
I wrote an article at my SeekWellness blog about this the other day. The blog deals with matters of politics, sex and religion from a REAL wellness perspective. The blog post, entitled “Should the Most Devout Roman Catholics Enjoy Special Rights in America? A Precautionary Tale,” has generated many letters, phone calls, telegrams, donations, bomb threats and marriage proposals. I love feedback, so all of this is just great as far as I am concerned. This kind of feedback is just about the best thing that can happen as result placing a post at my “no-holds barred” blogsite. Well, maybe not THE best thing that could happen. I can think of three things that would be really, truly cool if one of my posts on politics, sex and religion were read by and got a huge rise out of certain people of great influence:
1. An invitation to appear as featured guest on Larry King Live, Real Time with Bill Maher and/or The Colbert Report.
2. A Pulitzer Prize for Literature or a Nobel Peace Prize.
3. An appointment from President Obama to head up a new Federal agency – the Office of Reason-Based – No-Faith Community Initiatives, or ORBNFCI.
But, as Twain noted, it is better to deserve a prize and not have one than to have one not deserved. Best of all, of course, is to deserve AND have get a nice prize, but I am not so insecure to write only for glory and tributes. Enough to change the world a bit, here and there, on occasion, little by little and bit by bit.
In any event, in the blog post mentioned above, I asked how Americans might feel if Catholics, for example, were given the following government benefits not available to any churches or members of other churches:
* Subsidizes for bible study and pilgrimages.
* Subsidies to support activities inspired by Catholic dogma, such as attendance at daily mass, taking confession, protesting at Planned Parenthood offices, visit legislators to voice opposition to stem cell research, condom distribution in AIDS-ridden Africa or to urge the overturn of Roe V. Wade?
* Subsidies for membership in the Catholic League, Opus Dei or other Catholic society or club?
Fortunately, this is not the case in America. But, what would you think of a society that provided such support for Catholics – or any other religious group? My guess is that unless you are a very fervent Catholic enthusiast or affiliated with a group that did enjoy such government subsidies, you would be outraged. You would want to take some kind of action – sign petitions to stop such things, march in protests, stand vigil somewhere, file a lawsuit, take to the streets, cease paying taxes or, if nothing else seemed likely to stop such egregious violations of the Constitution, move to Canada, Australia or some other secular nation.
How unlikely is any of this in America? Could it happen here?
Before answering, consider a few disquieting facts. For starters, recognize that special rights ALREADY ARE afforded to religions in many countries, America included!
In one country, a democratic ally of the U.S., the most extreme believers have special rights AND subsidies. The true believers in this particular nation receive taxpayer funds not available to regular believers, let alone freethinkers who neither affiliate with religions nor believe in gods. In this particular country, fanatical believers don’t even have to work for a living – they get tax money to study religion! I’m not making this up.
In the country to which I refer, the super-duper, over-the-top, extreme believers attend taxpayer-funded special schools. They live lives of near-total god worship, study a holy book and have special dress codes. They receive welfare subsidies amounting to hundreds of millions of dollars. They also get child allowances. And, unlike other citizens, they are excused from military duty.
Are there consequences of such policies? Obviously, there are. To offer just one example, a new report shows that within 30 years, 78 percent of primary school children will be amongst the segment of the population exempt from full tax obligations. This leaves a small taxpayer base to support government favors for the religious.
The nation in this situation is Israel. Unless changes are made, the future does not look so good for Israeli, unless of course American voters continue to underwrite such policies with our tax dollars. (Total direct U.S. aid to Israel amounts to well over $140 billion annually.)
Israelis who question the laws, customs and traditions that give special rights to the ultra fervent orthodox (or UFOs) who enjoy all these and other benefits are not viewed kindly or respectfully by the UFOs. They are called “amalek.” This may not seem so bad to most Americans not up to speed on UFO thinking, but in Israel, it’s not such a nice word. It means – are you ready for this? (Warning: the following phrase may be upsetting for some readers. Parental discretion is advised) – “the biblical embodiment of all evil.” Whoa.
This must discourage objections to having your money go to the devout – who wants to be tagged as the embodiment of all evil, whether biblical or some other kind?
Fortunately, some Israelis, amaleks no doubt, ARE pushing back. You can read about it in a New York Times piece – see Isabel Kershner, “Some Israelis Question Benefits for Ultra-Religious,” 12/28/2010, p.1.
Could it happen here? Do you doubt for a minute that some church leaders would not welcome additional taxpayer favors?
If you find special rights for believers inappropriate, why restrict resistance to new favors for religions and the religious? Why not take another look at some of the inappropriate favors that religions currently enjoy in this country? Consider the tens of millions of taxpayer funds being channeled by the faith-based program that Bush created in 2001 that Obama has continued. Why meekly accept such patently unfair and probably unconstitutional public policies? For that matter, why continue to condone the tax exemption of church property, tax-free housing for clergy and other advantages that Congress has afforded religions? These favors come out of the pockets of all Americans, believers and freethinkers alike?
Long ago, in a lecture at the Pittsburgh Opera House on the evening of October 14, 1879, Robert Green Ingersoll addressed the matter of separation of church and state in relation to taxation of church property. Here is an excerpt from that address:
“And so I object to paying for the support of any other man’s belief. I am in favor of the taxation of all church property. If that property belongs to God, he is able to pay the tax. If we exempt anything, let us exempt the home of the widow and orphan.
The church has today $600,000,000 or $700,000,000 of property in this country. It must cost $2,000,000 a week, that is to say $500 a minute to run these churches. You give me this money and if I don’t do more good with it than four times as many churches, I’ll resign.
I have no doubt if Ingersoll had been given a dime, he would have done more good. (The entire lecture, entitled “Religious Intolerance,” can he read here – http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/lectures/religious_intolerance.html
Well, 131 years have gone by since Ingersoll spoke at the Pittsburg Opera House. Church holdings today are so much greater than $700 million. The value of such holdings would no doubt pay of the gigantic deficit! Does anyone really think that the American public gets good value for these taxpayer subsidies? I don’t think the pope himself would dare make such a claim, and he’s made some wild claims in his time.
It seems to me that vigilance is in order – the Israeli model must look pretty attractive to the politically active Catholic Bishops, the five most conservative Catholic Supreme Court justices and people like Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Pat Robertson, James Dobson and other Right-Wing, fundamentalist Republicans. I have no doubt that they and millions like them would just love to “take down that wall” – or what is left of the barrier that our state from their churches.
I believe it’s time to resist all of it. What’s to fear? That we might be called “biblical embodiments of all evil?”
Well, I can deal with that and besides, I’ve been called worse. I shall consider it a (very) small price to pay for liberty, which as Ingersoll noted is “the blossom and fruit of justice, the perfume of mercy and the seed and soil, air and light, dew and rain of progress, love and joy.”
Be well. All the best.