Rabbi Zwiebel: Break Law rather than report Jewish Criminal
In April, in Is observing the Mesirah prohibition compatible with being American? I discussed the threat posed to Americans generally by the Jewish tradition of Mesirah. This prohibits Jews from telling the Civil Authorities of crimes being committed by other Jews. My interest was stimulated by realizing when studying the Madoff Affair that many financially sophisticated Jews suspected criminality, but did nothing.
I noted
In recent years increased consciousness of the issue of pedophilia, sexual abuse generally and drugs has driven most of the Jewish discussion of Mesirah. Some Jewish organizations like the Rabbinical Council of America have explicitly called for Mesirah to be overlooked in these cases.
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The latest news is that this laudable trend seems to be going into reverse.
One of America’s leading ultra-Orthodox groups has reaffirmed that its followers must consult a rabbi before going to law enforcement authorities with suspicions of sexual abuse committed by community members.
The admonitions, from speakers at a conference sponsored by Agudath Israel of America, came even though a recent rabbinic edict permits reporting such crimes to secular authorities…Rabbi Shalom Elyashiv, one of ultra-Orthodoxy’s foremost authorities on Jewish religious law, or Halacha. recently decreed that Jews with reasonable suspicions that a case of sexual abuse has occurred are permitted to go to secular law enforcement authorities, notwithstanding traditional religious prohibitions against mesirah, or informing on fellow Jews. (Ultra-Orthodox Group Affirms Abuse Cases Go First To Rabbi By Paul Berger The Jewish Daily Forward May 25 2011)
Many States have laws mandating people in certain professional positions to report suspicions of abuse. The Agudath Israel position is that these should be ignored.
Rabbi David Zwiebel, Agudah’s executive vice president, told the conference that even mandated reporters — teachers, social workers and people in certain other professions who are required by law to promptly report any suspected cases of sexual abuse — should consult a rabbi before going to the police.
The Forward found a District Attorney with courage:
Marlene Lynch Ford, the Ocean County prosecutor whose jurisdiction includes the large strictly Orthodox enclave of Lakewood, said that the advice given at the Agudah conference could violate New Jersey law.
“…the law is incumbent on [all involved], if they have grounds for reasonable suspicion, to make disclosures.”
(The Brooklyn DA’s office was too terrified to be coherent, exciting the contempt of the remarkable Failed Messiah blog.)
Many in the Jewish Community find Agudath Israel’s stance outrageous, and The Forward quotes some of them.
But when Mesirah can apparently impede protecting even children who are Jewish from repulsive abuse, the rest of us might fairly ask:
What does it do in cases of general Jewish criminality inflicted on society as a whole?
Facing the Future as a Minority
Was the Immigration Act of 1924 Illiberal?
The Jews have always had a double standard. For everyone else there are rules that must be obeyed. For Jews those rules are not important.
It reminds me of their loaning practices, they will charge intrest when a loan is made to a non-Jew, when loaning to another of the tribe, there is no intrest.
Jews do not follow the same laws as non-Jews, even when they make the laws for non-Jews.
Off topic: Here is a new site set up by Julian Lee, the author of “White People are Cool”.
http://www.GayNazis.com
Here is Julian Lee being interviewed by Makow where he compares male discharge with a womans menstral cycle. Enjoy :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYCTETbjiWM&feature=player_embedded
Doesn’t Julian Lee also advocate supportng Israel, and intermarraige with Jews? Why is Julian Lee citing the work of Jewish authors, on the Gay Nazi thing?
Why would a person interested in the survival of the White Race advocate “continence”? I don’t think men or women should be whoring around – but he ought to be advocating that White men and women marry, and have as many kids as they can handle, right?
Also – that whole astrologer thing? Huh? Why is this strange guy some sort of guru?
Why indeed, Ciaran. Lee’s comments here at TOO—on the Caviezel thread, for example—have been self-important and largely incoherent.
Yes, he’s quite the character, I’am facinated by this guy’s arrogance. Here he is roaming the streets of Portland carousing with the local homeless population.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmmN9wB9AMQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Self important, nah, not at all. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTMRoPbtzhE&feature=BFa&list=UL4lm6rJeOaSQ&index=15
This is some really bizarre stuff.
I like Eldon and Dustin. If we were all in all White Nations – they’d be fine, living in a small town, or village. Not “leading lights” – but they would not be anonymous debris on the street. They’ve be a part of the fabric of the village life. They’d be “looked after” to a certain extent, and have a role in the community. Neither are seriously bad – they just like gettng high.
Julian Lee – he’s annoying. He’s half interesting – but one must trust one’s innate visceral reactions. My immediate instinct is to walk right up to him and kick him right in the side of the head. Don’t know why. I’m not advocating violence; it’s simply what he inspires in me.
That Yogi video – I had in oe ofr a minute. I read his comments. That was enough. We ALL kow that blanket mysoginy, in the WN world, is corrosive, destructive, and counter-productive, But women are imprefect people, with strengths, and flaws. ANY male that is as obsequieously “worshipful” (Women are so much wiser blah blah blah – NO THEY ARE NOT!!!) —Danger Will Robinson Danger! Watch those types. He’s lookng to collect acolytes.
A++!
According to Jewish law, it’s a great sin to harm a fellow Jew in any way. However, Jews have been known for murdering their fellow Jews. Misirah is only applied when the it serves the Jewish political and economical causes. Gilad Atzmon tells us that even ‘Shalom’ for a zionist Jew means “What is good for Jews”.
“Israel is such an enormous detriment to the United States, our relationship with the Israeli. That it’s going to become clear to the Americans that this is just going to cost us blood and lives the longer we pursue this relationship with the Israelis,” Professor Michael Scheuer (Georgetown University) and former CIA officer for 22 years – on Glenn Beck’s CNN TV Show.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/02/09/us-israel-the-odd-couple/
@ Rehmat, 7:22 am.
“…Shalom…means…”what is good for Jews”…”
And what does SALAAM mean for Muslims?
The same as when they say that “Islam is a religion of peace”.
It means the PAX ISLAMICA,the situation when the WHOLE WORLD has been converted – with the sword – to Islam and a UNIVERSAL CALIPHATE with sharia for all has been established on earth!
Thanks,but no thanks.
@Rehmat:
“That it’s going to become clear to the Americans that this is just going to cost us blood and lives the longer we pursue this relationship with the Israelis”
I stopped holding my breath in regard to this years ago.
I used to think, some 35 years ago, that while it was unfortunate for the US to support Israel financially and politically, Americans would never be dumb enough to actually fight their wars for them.
I’m glad I didn’t bet money on THAT, LOL.
THE LAW OF MESIRAH
At the end of the article the author asks (rhetorically):
“…What does it do in cases of general Jewish criminality inflicted on society as a whole?…”
Come on,let us not play the role of the “gullible goy” any longer! We all know that the Jews have perfected their parasitic life-style for more than 3000 years. And this involved ALWAYS a double moral standard. From the Old Testament,the Talmud and the Shulchan Aruch to pronouncements of modern Rabbis,the message has always been the same: be good to fellow-Jews,but bad to non-Jews.
The best way to understand these people is to see them not as a “religious community” or even an “ethnic minority” but as an ETHNIC MAFIA.The Law of Mesirah then makes as much sense as the idea of “omerta” of the Italian Mafia.
That is a very good point. And is it not enlightning to observe that in forming a state where they are the majority, their system does not work. The ethnocentric system they have developped is more akin to the life of parasites with the same kind of oppotunism. They need a bigger organism then their collectivity to survive and prosper, but they abolutly need to remain a minority, otherwise it does not work. That is why the apartheid system of Israel is almost a neccessity. Yet, it is not sufficient, they still need the billions of dollars from the outside coming in on a daily basis.
Now, on the “Lighter side of US life”…
Homeland security has promoted the official start of their SNITCH program this memorial day weekend, where US citizens and residents (and illegals also I guess) are encouraged to “snitch” on “suspect activities” by their fellow community members. Yet, we have to endure institutionalized Mesirah. Does this make sense?
Not certain that he was playing the “gullible goy,” but using a literary device to force any philo-semites to question their naive assumptions.
@ Denys Picard, 8:52 am.
Parasites cannot live off parasites,they need a (bigger) host .
I know of Israelis who migrated to Europe because Jews in Israel “have too much chutzpah”. In Europe of course they can find enough non-chutzpah people to parasitize on.
“…Snitch program for Goyim,but Mesirah program for Jews?…”
What is the problem? Isn’t this the Jewish double standard perfectly at work? And you know of course that Homeland Security is in the hands of the Tribe too? (Napolitano).
Mr. Ryckaert: Thank you for the tip that Commissar Napolitano is Tribal. No wonder she looks like a Jewish lesbian!
Interesting, isn’t it, that The Pretend Encyclopedia conceals her Jewishness and her lesbianism? If she should, let’s say, win a Nobel Peace Prize, I wonder how long it would be before her entry was revised. As long as it took for mention of Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s Jewishness to be excised?
As with Jewish hyper-ethnocentrism in general, the explicit mesirah of the orthodox community is less dangerous than the unadmitted mesirah-like tendancies of secular Jews.
Orthodox Jewish ethnocentrism is right out in the open, and thus easy to defend against.
The ethnocentrism of secular Jews, on the other hand, is not admitted so forthrightly must be discerned and dissected by outsiders such as Kevin MacDonald.
The mesirah like tendancies of secular Jews, apparent for instance in the universal Jewish disdain for “namers of names” from the McCarthy era, have played an undeniable role in successes of Jewish communists and organized crime.
Precisely.
What always is overlooked in that pillorying of McCarthy era figures is that most of the people they accused were, in fact, guilty.
Why don’t we contact Homeland Security and report the threat that jew control of media has over our country?
Seriously, why can’t we take some kind of legal action to do something about their control? All we have to do is put forward mesirah as exhibit number one.
The US Homeland Security Department is controlled by the Zionist Jew Sen. Lieberman and lesbian Zionist Janet Napolitano, the secretary of the Department. She succeeded Zionist Jew Michael Chertoff, who currently markets Israeli made full body scanners through his firm Chertoff Group. The full body scanners were introduced by TSA in 2005 when Chertoff was head of the Homeland Security Department.
The Israeli firm, ICTS International and its subsidiaries I-SEC, PI (Pro-check International) provide security services to airports in the US, Canada and EU countries; consultation, instruction, training, inspection and supervision.
The ICTS was the security company in charge of the actual passenger screening at Dulles as well as Boston Logan and Newark airports from where the three so-called “9/11 hijacked” flights originated. Since 1998, ICTS has provided airline passenger screening services at 47 US airports, including all the international aviation gateways in the USA. Incidently, ICTS was also in charge of airport security at Amsterdam’s Schipol Airoport when the shoe bomber Richard Reid boarded a plane with a shoe bomb.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/04/02/global-entry-preparation-for-next-911/
“Seriously, why can’t we take some kind of legal action to do something about their control? All we have to do is put forward mesirah as exhibit number one.”
Educating the public is a good step. Tell them about “mesirah,” and they will immediately recognize it as the same as “omerta” of la cosa nostra. But, members of la cosa nostra are mentally healthy enough not to have to pretend adhering to “omerta” fulfills a divine mandate.
Actually, here in Britain Jews are topped in child abuse stakes by Muslims (1st) and blacks (real Africans/Nigerians/Somalis only).
What I’m sure you meant to say is that America has the highest rate of RECORDED child abuse in the world.
Comparing sexual abuse within 300,000 British Jewish population with two million British Muslim population – shows where your brain is stuck.
How many Muslims are British porn industry as compared to over 80% of British porn actors and actresses being Jewish?
Top Hollywood porn actor, Jewish Michael Lucas, has been honored both in the US and Britain while he is considered on f patrons of the Israel Occupation Force (IOF).
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/israels-pornographic-stimulus-plan/
Whilst Jews are heavily over-represented in porn (owning distributing 97%) and campaigning for peadophile rights, there rape and child abuse stats are subsumed within the ‘White’ category, which is much lower proportionately that Muslims and blacks. Therefore I am comparing 2m Muslims with 44m Whites.
I may be wrong to assume that Jews and Whites are not much different in how much they rape/molest, but I don’t think I am.
And how many White Christian women are sold to Muslims in Britain for sex slavery as compared to 5,000 sold in Israel each year according to Amnesty Internation?
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/islam-and-slavery/
Orthodox Jews openly proclaim mesirah, all other Jews quietly practice it. Without the double standard there is no Jewry. You can take the Jew out of the shetl but you cannot take the shetl out of the Jew.
I’m sorry, but Jewish people are above the law.
If the pope or some bishop came out and said Catholics should not report one another, the Jewish media would go into a feeding frenzy.
It’s the sell-put Christians who made the Jews above law in the western world for money and free trips to Tel Aviv’s Jewish brothels.
Remember Russian Anna Chapman and the Latvian Anna Fermanova (‘Nice Jewish girl’, NYDailyNews, July 28, 2010)? They’re both Russian Jewish spies busted in United States last year. Both also love to display their ‘sexy’ bodies.
Anna Vasil’yevna Chapman, the Russian spy who was busted along with nine others on June 27, 2010 on charges of working for the Russian intelligence agency, the SVR. All of them were deported back to Russia on July 8, 2010, as part of the 2010 Russia–United States Prisoner Swap. Just imagine, how the Jewish Lobby had reacted, had they been Iranian or Pakistanis!
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/the-nice-jewish-girl-and-the-koran-baby/
The Jews wouldn’t have the power and control they enjoy throughout the Middle East without lots of Muslims bending over. Way over.
In an article in a New York Times blog about “What’s up with the jews”, the jewish writer talks about Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen and several others who have publicly dissed jews. He boasted that they have paid and that a guy at Cannes was barred from being there for his comments about jews. They all paid.
Charlie Sheen, he said, has trashed hotels, fought with women and done all sorts of things he shouldn’t but the minute he said something negative about his jew producer he got canned and they hired Ashton Kutcher, who the writer said was raised Catholic but is now heavily into kaballa and judaism.
The notion that this horrid jew can boast about the fact that people are punished for going against jews makes me sick.
Are these the “family values” that shabbos goy Scruton was pimping for in the article right above?
These types of things that are merely put out into the open are probably the most effective counter propaganda available to those of us fighting jewish hegemony. You will note that when a TV show makes fun of someone, it doesn’t have to tell us why the person being made fun of is a jerk – the actions and words of the participant speak for themselves.
Jews not following the criminal law and reporting child sexual abuse is a great topic to put out there, and no commentary is needed as everyone will be outraged.
More evidence that so much of Jewry is comprised of nothing more than an international ethnic racket and insular cult. And yet, led by American elites, these are the people that the Establishment of the post-WWII West has increasingly held up as the ultimate moral authority, and on whose behalf the U.S. Establishment is actually sending Americans to fight wars in the Middle East.
Because Americans were never properly grounded in the traditional Christianity of Western civilization as were the Europeans, and because the country has itslelf participated in the process of being slowly taken over by nests of money-worshipping vipers and politically correct authoritarians who hide behind various “moral” facades such as Judeo-Chirstian Zionism and multiculturalist artifice, we became the perfect “mark” for the Jewish cult and its lowlife collaborators to manipulate and subjugate. Next comes enslavement, similar to the enslaved U.S. Military sent to round after round of war with Islam on behalf of the Judeofascist predators and their agenda to use a “national security” state to enforce Jewish supremacism in both the Middle East and in the West (e.g. Homeland Security).
Recall what Bill Clinton’s Secretary of State, the crypto-Jew Madeline Albright, said on behalf of the Bosnia offensive, warm up to later Clinton administration offensives in Iraq: “What’s the point of having this superb military that you’re always talking about if we can’t use it?”
Well, we’re using it now, and portions of it against the American people themselves, largely being run by an insular, criminal cult of Zionist thugs, apparently protecting itself with codes of silence like Misirah.
Well said. excellent summary of our situation
The current American war against Iran is also part of Israeli plan to cripple American economy and make the country more hateful in the world.
Interestingly, while the US is forced by AIPAC to spend billions of dollars each month to keep fighting Muslims around the world – IMF in its recent report has lauded Iran for its progressive economy by taking off many of its subsidise program which were not needed by the majority of reicipants any more.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/imf-lauds-islamic-irans-economy/
@ above— Julian Lee posts some really excellent music, Hymn for Dresden is a great song, so is Jew Talk. Clearly he’s talented and intelligent, and wherever thinking for himself has led him, he’s probably reached more people than you have.
John Bolton has every quality of being a ‘hidden Jew (Crypto-Jew)’. He has been paid glowing tributes by AIPAC, pro-Israel American lawmakers and is a member of over half a dozen Jewish-neocon think tanks. A few days ago, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, the US-Cuban Jewish Chairwoman House Foreign Affairs Committee said: “I love John Bolton for trying to convince the lawmakers to bomb Iran before it gets its first nuclear bomb”. Interestingly, the US has more than 9000 nuclear bombs while Israel has 400 of them – but Iran is still the greatest threat to both US and Israel.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/06/26/911-bolton-and-ahmadinejad/
According to the Wall Street Journal (April 18, 2011), the Kosher market is worth $12.5 billion per year. The Organized Kashrut Laboratories (Brooklyn), listed as a non-profit organization, has rabbis in China, Japan, India, Israel and Belgium who certify nearly 500,000 products from about 3,000 companies. Its clients pay from $2,000 to tens of thousands of dollars annually.
Not all the Jews, who make less than 2% of US population, consume kosher products. Therefore, obviously, the remaining 98% of American population is forced to chip-in to this Madoff-style scam. A certain portion of the money earned from this kosher racket, like the Save Darfur racket, ends up in helping Jewish occupation of Palestine. But to admit it in public, is an act of ‘anti-Semitism’ according to ADL (watch a video below).
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/06/27/the-kosher-tax-racket-and-israel/