I must admit to feeling a bit unpatriotic. I just can’t get into the non-stop hoopla on the bin Laden assassination. On Monday, with only a small lead time the LA Times had 8 articles on it, beginning with a monster headline screaming “U.S. KILLS BIN LADEN” in 96-point type that took up around 4 inches in two rows across the entire front page. But they were just warming up. On Tuesday, there were 24 articles, headlined by “OBAMA’S GAMBLE” in 72-point type recounting the decision process of our daringly brilliant president, much loved by the Times. (Now the Times has even more reason to ignore Donald Trump’s request for Obama’s college grades.)
The only article that caught my eye was “Bin Laden’s sea burial fuels conspiracy theories.” Odd indeed that they would bury him at sea so quickly, but the article assures us that it “was necessary because arrangements couldn’t be made with any country to bury Bin Laden within 24 hours, as dictated by Muslim practice, administration officials said. But a senior military officer said the U.S. also wanted to avoid creating a shrine somewhere on land that would attract his followers.”
Ah yes. If there’s one central pillar of American foreign policy since 1948, it’s the principle of never offending the Muslims. And that principle far outweighs keeping the body around for a while so that there could be an independent investigation.
But the reason I don’t have much enthusiasm for the whole thing is that the patriotic emotions that this event seems to be eliciting are completely beside the point. They don’t come close to dealing with the real problems we face. For awhile, at least, the anger of a huge number of Whites, which is at least implicitly about their ongoing dispossession, will be buried by a “We’re Number 1″ mentality.
These emotions only give fuel to the War Party. Today’s Times included an op-ed by War Party stalwart Max Boot (“Bin Laden: The Day of Reckoning“) that blames the deaths of “tens of thousands” in Iraq on Al Qaeda. This is a resurrection of the lie that Saddam Hussein, the secular leader of Iraq, was allied with Al Qaeda and bin Laden. As usual, the media will be silent about bin Laden being motivated at least partly by the support that the US gives to Israel’s dispossession of the Palestinians (see, e.g., James Bamford’s A Pretext for War: 9/11, Iraq, and the Abuse of America’s Intelligence Agencies.) And Americans are still dying in Afghanistan.
So count me out of the current celebration.
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“For awhile, at least, the anger of a huge number of Whites, which is at least implicitly about their ongoing dispossession, will be buried by a “We’re Number 1″ mentality.”
Good point, reminds me of the fact that “patriotism” (or even civic nationalism) is often light years away from (if not contrary to) “ethnic interests”.
Face it dudes, Whites are mostly idiots. To see them cheering outside the White House after a Zionist led war shows what kind of imbeciles we’re dealing with.
You know, it’s funny, Ted Kaczynski wrote about this kind of thing in Industrial Society and its Future. Of course it’s pretty taboo to reference Kaczynski, but there are plenty of establishment types, such as the founder of Sun Microsystems, who espouse his ideas to some degree. Anyway you look at Kaczysnki, he was a genius, if not a pariah to everyone. Anyway, he writes:
“Some people partly satisfy their need for power by identifying themselves with a powerful organization or mass movement. An individual lacking goals or power joins a movement or an organization, adopts its goals as his own, then works toward these goals. When some of the goals are attained, the individual, even though his personal efforts have played only a significant part in the attainment of the goals, feels (through his identification with the movement or organization) as if he had gone through the power process. This phenomenon was exploited by Fascists, Nazis and Communists. Our society uses it too, though less crudely. Example: Manuel Noriega was an irritant to the U.S. (goal: punish Noriega). The U.S. invaded Panama (effort) and punished Noriega (attainment of goal). The U.S. went through the power process and many Americans, because of their identification with the U.S., experienced the power process vicariously. Hence the widespread public approval of the Panama invasion; it gave people a sense of power. We see the same phenomenon in armies, corporations, political parties, humanitarian organizations, religious or ideological movements. In particular, leftist movements tend to attract people who are seeking to satisfy their need for power. But for most people identification with a large organization or a mass movement does not fully satisfy the need for power.”
If you substitute Osama for Noriega above, we’re still basically talking about the same thing. Basically anyone who talks about Kaczynski needs to “qualify” everything they say with a condemnation of his actions, even if they ultimately support almost everything he writes about. Ultimately, whether or not you have a problem with modern society or not, and ultimately desire for an “end” to modern progress, I think most would agree that Kaczysnki’s actions can hardly bring about an end to technology. I don’t doubt that Kaczynski himself would say he was trying to fulfill the power process for himself by mailing bombs to what most people would classify as innocent individuals. And one shouldn’t be surprised that society was aghast by his actions, as they were highly anti-social. I don’t think he was surprised by that either.
Just to qualify everything I’ve said above, I do not condone his actions. That being said, everyone should read Industrial Society, it’s beyond fascinating.
There will be no White people in the future, if our enemy gets their way. They demand a Brown Future in all White countries and only White countries don’t they?
A Brown Future means No White People.
The correct word is not dispossession, it is GeNOcide.
Good would come of this if it led to less immigration from Pakistan, or preferably none. That would be a sensible reaction to Pakistan having sheltered Osama bin Laden.
It would be easy for an adequately funded political elite that White interests at heart to lead people to useful conclusions.
It would be easy for an adequately funded political elite that had White interests at heart to lead people to useful conclusions.
Geiseric: “… “patriotism” (or even civic nationalism) is often light years away from (if not contrary to) “ethnic interests”.”
The emotions are not so dissimilar, which is why the Left hates, despises and fears “patriotards”.
It’s just that this natural and by default healthy emotionality is being systematically misdirected, for now.
I agree. But don’t be surprised if suddenly millions of Paki refugees suddenly materialize “fleeing” (choose one or more covers) persecution, terror and oppression, seeking asylum in Western Countries.
Western countries, after all, are welfare magnets for the poor of the world.
According to refugeeresettlementwatch.com:
The Obama administration is committed to increasing the refugee quota, as was the Bush administration.
The leading refugee source countries for the U.S. program in recent years are, in order of admission numbers, Iraq, Burma, Bhutan, Iran and Somalia. The Muslim component decreased after 911, but today is back up to at least 40% and is set to rise from here.
http://tinyurl.com/yzofyfx
Boudicca: good link. Yes, these are realities we have to keep in mind.
But there’s something else to keep in mind: hope. We shouldn’t be ashamed to cling to every slightest basis for it.
Perhaps the biggest mistake of the old, Anglo post-WWII elite was running an anti-Communist policy so aggressive, expensive and indifferent to the welfare of working-class Whites that they tired of it and then rebelled at it. The Vietnam War was a disaster that gave every draft age male without a college deferment an interest in the overthrown of the old elite, even though the new political-cultural elite was “the devil you don’t know”. The costs of that absurd war gave people who put economics first a reason to accept a change of leadership. The harsh accusations and demands of loyalty made to support that war did for implicitly White ethnic and cultural solidarity roughly what the trenches of WWI did for earlier European ideals of gallantry, valor, the sweet red wine of courage etc..
The war wasn’t decisive. After all, for (Black) Civil Rights the decisive year was 1964, and for chronic mass immigration the year of doom was 1965, and then the Vietnam War was still going relatively well. But still, the war did vast harm to the prestige of the old, mostly White and Christian elite that has now thoroughly collapsed. I don’t believe there would now be no White Anglo-Saxon Protestants at all on the American Supreme Court if it wasn’t for the Vietnam War.
The new elite is also engaged in chronic war-making. That is bound to have costs. It has obvious costs for America as a whole, but it will also delegitimize the new ruling elite. People commit to war emotionally, and they get tired of it even if it doesn’t touch them physically. They get frustrated.
What we’ve just seen is as if the Rangers had gone and gotten Ho Chi Mihn, and the war had gone on regardless, as of course it would have. For a while, it’s a cause for legitimate congratulations for the fighting personnel involved. Then it’s a natural emotional ending point. (“OK, we got him. Are we done yet?”) After that turnoff is not taken, and after it’s clear that the emotional costs of the war will continue regardless (with the humiliations of the TSA as an example) the question “are we done yet?” is bound to be asked more sharply.
I don’t know what will come of that. But if it leads to tougher questioning of our current ruling elite, good. And if it leads to more pressure to cut off the flow of immigration from the Muslim world, also good.
And we should live in hope.
Nice post daybreaker. The draft was definitely a game-changer and life-lesson for America. I’m just wondering where white unity will come from in the present day? It is well known that an ethnic enclave will gain strength and self-awareness by experiencing persecution from other groups. Have whites suffered enough at the hands of tribe policy to mount a comeback? I guess only time will tell.
Kinda strange they just happen to kill Bin just as Obama’s dodgy birth certificate appears, and how fortunate that they burried him at sea! I think they were saving this event (Bin’s death) for when they needed a distraction. It’s pretty obvious, and this is proof, that Obama definately wasn’t born in the U.S.A.
TT
It only took 10 Years, 7,000 Dead, 40,000 Seriously Wounded, and a few Trillion Dollars to kill one Moslem named Osama.
Can we afford another such victory?
The death of bin Laden is an entirely piss-poor achievement for so much money spent and innocent blood shed.
It truly is an anti-climax.
Precisely. We scour heaven and earth to kill one man, when terrorism could have controlled quite simply by turning off the immigration faucet.
@Athanasius: Do our “elites” really expect us to continue chanting “USA! USA!” because we killed bin Laden at the cost of not educating our children, not curing our sick, letting people lose their homes and mortgaging our future to fight pointless wars?
With leaders with judgement so poor as ours now posess, no wonder America is now circling the drain.
What did I write that implied that I don’t agree with all you just said?
I’m guessing the 1,200,000 + Iraqi deaths that can be laid at the feet of Amerika don’t count to you , Tom.
New thought – Remember all the twin towers steel that was shipped to China to be made into junk we didn’t need in the immediate aftermath of 911 so that it couldn’t be used as evidence against those who actually blew the the Towers up?
I mean really! Good way to manage an investigation into the largest ever terrorist attack on the United States of Amerika. NOT. When a plane crashes and they take two years picking up the pieces and reassembling them in order to reach an understanding about what happened. Twin Towers? Remove and hide the evidence ASAP.
Bin Laden said in the immediate aftermath of 911 that he had nothing to do with it. Why would he lie about that?
Same shit – different pile.
Burial at sea – yeah right.
Oh – new thought – Amerika didn’t “kill” bin Laden – they murdered him. Let’s make that perfectly clear.
The “official story” reads like a movie plot in the same way all their other narratives about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan that have since been shown to be a pack of lies.
Anyone who believes even a portion of this story is an idiot.
@Athanasius: I’m in complete agreement with you. The bitterness I feel toward inept American leadership seems to have come through in |my last comment and I hadn’t meant to direct it at you in the least.
My sincere apologies if it seemed if it was.
Osama , the Muslim died of kidney failure ten years ago. He was the victim of Judeo-Christian fascism – bent on exploiting the Caspian Sea oil/gas and boost heroin cultivation in Afghanistan. In both cases the beneficiary were Western Anti-Christ masters and no White Christian dares to touch them.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/afghanistan-occupied-for-drugs/
Hey Kevin, the White man – Bush – failed, whereas the Black man – Obama – succeeded. Evidence of Black superiority? This whole thing stinks.
TT
The entire last week felt and looked like it was orchestrated by jewish liberal wag the dog type script writers in order to save Barry Soetoro’s ass. Albeit temporarily
Don Trump(White businessman) being the number one threat to the current black is better and obama is the saviour crap we have been seeing over the last 3 years
The Bin Laden thing is bogus. As well as the birth certificate that was released. They needed a dramatic act to pull barry’s chestnuts out of the fire. They started with the correspondants dinner in which the White Trump was attack by the jew seth myers and the black barry soetoro
Then Sunday finishing the script and play acted game with the “bin laden” nonsense interrupting the White Trump’s TV show.
Burial at sea???
How convenient.
(Said dripping with smarminess.)
Yeah right.
Felix he was building submarines under that compound and was acting as the Admiral of the new “al queda navy”so he was appropriately buried at sea.
Rumor is that his mother was a Sephardic Syrian Jew.
and the dutiful Trump, the billionaire populist, supports Israel lock, stock and barrel.
Count me out of the celebration, too. My antenna went up the moment I heard that bin Laden had been assassinated. What are they up to was my first thought about the White House crowd. On May Day! Some of those celebrations seem organized. People where I live hardly lifted a brow.
Eventually, we got a view of this image (or one like it) in the “war” room with Obama watching the operation. (Hope it shows up.)
http://images.politico.com/global/news/Obama-Barack-Obama-WH_605.jpg
It is not too far-fetched to think that the Chicago mafia, Rahm Emmanuel, David Axelrod and Bill Ayers had a hand in it. Just because they left the White House does not mean they abandoned it.
What kind of pay dirt are they expecting? Is it campaign strategy for Obama’s re-election? Are they taking troops out of Pakistan and sending them to Libya? Or Iran? Syria? Are they pumping up agitation for another major assault on American soil? And did you notice how the rest of the elected politicians played ball? They went along with it. How different it would all be if our political leaders DID NOT go along with it. If, instead, they opposed it. (Yes, yes, I know….it’s pipe dreaming.)
I guess the big question is – what does this outfit intend to do to America?
“How different it would all be if our political leaders DID NOT go along with it. If, instead, they opposed it. (Yes, yes, I know….it’s pipe dreaming.)”
That would take courage, something woefully absent in most of our “leaders,” a worthless bunch almost entirely.
all quiet on the Western front here, too.
I am not sorry to know that Osama bin Laden is no longer among the living; but, like Dr. MacDonald, I am in no mood for celebrating– and, in fact, I am rather disgusted by the celebratory bent of the country, generally, and of the Mainstream Media, particularly. When my sister called me on Sunday night to tell me that an announcement and speech was then imminent, I, reluctantly, turned on the cable news channels. During President Obama’s predictable tardiness, I switched between three Zionists– Wolf Blitzer on CNN, Geraldo Rivera on Fox News Channel, and David Gregory on MSNBC– all gloating about the glorious comeuppance of Osama bin Laden. I thought back to 9/11 in 2001, and how it marked an irreversible turning point in my own thinking about the Jewish Question. Thousands of Americans, and hundreds of our foreign guests, all had been reduced to ashes– and all because of our total subservience to the Zionist cause. Until we break free, we are mere puppets on a string….
The strings are very strong, and the western puppets are worse than Osama Bin Laden.He became a ‘bad guy’ because he wanted American soldiers to thrown out of Saudi Arabia. Later he became world’s terrorist No.1 because he called the expulsion of European Jews from Palestine – something which no American or European leader would have the courage to say.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/zionists-and-jews-padding-in-chicken-soup/
ibotTTs wrote:
” I think they were saving this event (Bin’s death) for when they needed a distraction.”
This has been my feeling for years as well.
A reasonable person can only laugh at this charade of the macabre.
Currently, Rense has one of their best and funniest front page graphics on the subject: http://www.rense.com/
@Daybreaker
Yes, patriotic instincts are misdirected to serve an elite that is hostile to American interests. This false patriotism is often turned against real patriots.
The title of this entry made me LOL! – so thank you, Dr. MacDonald!
Wait ’til gas is over 4:50 per gallon. Osama Bin Who?
Get a grip on your optimism, friend Ciaran! It’s already well past $4.50 at some gas stations here in the Big Bagel, and the ritual application of gentile lips to kosher butts blithely continues apace.
This unseemly haste in getting rid of Osama bin Laden’s alleged remains so as to make it impossible for any independent verification that the body was actually his, shows a touching concern for “Islamic traditions”.
Well done, America! You are so very caring it brings the tears to my eyes. Yes, it appears that Muslim bodies must be buried within 24 hours. And America did it. So, three cheers for America!
This concern for “Islamic traditions”, however, was regrettably absent when American forces killed the two sons of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. They was no attempt then to dispose of the mortal remains of Saddam’s sons within 24 hours. No, it took them ELEVEN DAYS on that occasion!
Why the discrepancy?
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This concern for “Muslim traditions” is exceptionally odd when you come to appreciate that American concern for Muslim life — which is surely more important — is absolutely minimal.
Witness the 1 million Iraqis killed in Iraq on a false prospectus of non-existent WMDs. Witness the wedding parties mowed down with such monotonous regularity in Afghanistan. Witness the thousands of women and children killed like flies in Pakistan by American drones.
It seems to me pretty bizarre that a country that KILLS Muslims with such nonchalant ease should suddenly come to respect their “traditions” so much that they need to dispose of Osama bin Laden’s alleged corpse with such indecent haste.
If it was Osama bin Laden.
The morbidly obese morons, aka Americans, love their royal weddings and dead Muslims.
Very commendable. Shrines to known terrorists are permitted only in one country: Israel. Here is the man who has had a shrine built to him in Israel for his massacre in 1994 of 29 Muslims and his wounding of 125 others:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Baruch_Goldstein.jpg
This is the difference: Muslim terrorists like bin Laden are not allowed shrines — Jewish terrorists like Baruch Goldstein are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein#Gravesite_and_shrine
I don’t mourn the passing of bin Laden, but our “leaders” have made him a martyr, a “shaheed,” and he’ll now prove more dangerous dead than when he was alive.
This shows that you are not Jewish at all,Miriam,you gave yourself away.Yes,it is difficult to keep up an internet persona all the time,especially when you are in an emotional mood.Well,actually I don’t care because many things you say make sense.Henceforth say them with your real identity.
During the past 48 hours, if you were sitting in China or somewhere in Asia, and wanted to view a satellite TV news broadcast in English, you would have been exposed to the following clowns, lining up to blubber statements that variously claimed what good news the death of Bin Laden provided “the world”.
Free at last … free at last! Oh the joy! Ring dem bells. Hallelujah! Joy be to Zion.
The circus began with the Communist Kenyan, known as sweet Barry Soetoro (the fellatio gigolo of Chicago’s top bath-houses!). They’ll soon be cutting him suits one-size too big to make him look just a bit like a genuine Chicago gangster of old. Pity his faggot walk will continue to give him away. Oh Bwarry … our very own Messiah!
The cameras then switched focused to the Jewish French midget, Sarkozy (with the prostitute wife) who was truly in Napoleonic mood … warning us all to remain on our guard in case of further Al-Qaeda attacks. Watch-out!
Then the scene of joyous joy instantly swung over to London and that faggot Prime Minister whose family tree apparently contains a distant Jewish ancestor; namely, David Cameron (complete with heavily bagged eyes). He seemed to be standing at an angle, perhaps weighed down on one side by some of the Depleted Uranium he has recently been firing into Libya in the vain hope of being seen in the public eye as ‘manly’.
And then, for an encore, the cameras and microphones then piled onto the highway before finding themselves all pointing at the Toilet Queen of Oztrailier, the Red Headed Lesbo, named Julia Gillard. Oh how nice it is to know Bin Laden is now dead. Thank you Lucifer! We can now re-open Sydney’s Bondi Beach to nude surfing and homosexual pimps!!
And these four Zion clowns actually think they can speak on behalf of the world, glorifying in the “shooting dead” of a man who died of kidney failure in December, 2001??? The same Bin Laden who the CIA never charged as being the mastermind behind 9/11? The same strawman who Time Magazine declared dead in 2008?
Ha-ha-ha. Beam me up Scotty!
Tanks for the Tidbit . I can only stomach State Media in 20′s bits . Any monkeys riding bicycles? All the actors doing their parts . To me the circus is interesting in its timing. I can’t believe the Pentagon hasn’t had him scoped for a long time , if you read about the circumstances of Osama’s hideous (he didn’t have a telephone or internet connection) .So it must be the birth certificate/Trump controversy(his real father was a Commie pornographer called Frank Davis) that prompted Obammas (not Osama’s) handler’s to execute an asset of diminishing return. Remembers theirs a lot of money riding on that Black Ass so they had better commit all (and make sure the snicky little black bastard doesn’t try something funny , like deciding not to run) and now the State Media can claim , Obamma got Osamma , so you’d BETTER be patriotic and vote for our Black Bastard ! And not be a anti-sem ,white bigot and vote of Trump-et .
Nice post Anglo- had me rollin!
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24587
The above quote comes from the best article I have read so far on bin Laden’s second death. I recommend it highly.
http://www.rense.com/general93/osause.htm
How Miriam!
Shalom.
A pal’s 12 year old son informed his Dad, on Sunday night, that “Dad!That pic (the grotty Dead Osama head shot) was Photoshopped!” The 12 year old barely caresabout politics at all. Just wanted to impress his bleoved Dad. Kid was aghast.
My little local Patriotard group is not so very impressed, with Amazing Achievement and the Glorious Victory of Our Dear Leader, either (a couple dim-witted Evangelical babes, not-with-standing)….
A prerequisite for intelligent commentary on this matter is a careful reading of the two articles written by Paul Craig Roberts, the first over the weekend, the second today (Tuesday). Both are posted on LRC rather than VDare—a shame, since the latter site is far more truly on the same side that most who comment at TOO are.
The most important thing to take away from this tiresome sociopolitical media event is that our Judaic masters no longer fear that general public awareness of Osama’s passing from the scene will generate any substantial opposition to the War without End for Tribal Global Hegemony. Worship of the Tribe’s designated stooges, the New York chapter of Overpaid Layabouts, Leeches, and Parasites—aka the NYC police boys and girls and fire boys and girls, especially but not only the ones who died as pointlessly as everyone else on Sepetember 11, 2001—has now reached such a near-universal state in this country that one death among them seems to matter almost as much (almost but not quite) as one Jewish death. That is, it demands the deaths of millions of mere humans in response.
From what I see, a substantial majority of our Occidental brethren no longer seem to care about the consequences of military “service”: that their brothers and sons and sisters and daughters are, first, having the morals of wankers and whores instilled in them and then being killed and maimed in horrendous numbers for the evil ends of wicked men and women. Or else, should they get through the experience in one physical piece, they are reintroduced into society as a kind of super-GMO to complete the metastasis of a once European Christian culture into one utterly subservient to Zion.
Clearly, too, the Tribe now trusts that Obama is more or less 100 percent reliable. Why else allow him to launch his reelection campaign with two phony stories, this one and the make-believe birth certificate, that require media backing to fly?
In one sense, this seems like the ideal time for another major revisionist article on 9/11—something of TOQ dimensions and scholarly underpinnings. Yet I suspect that KM still feels rather burned by the brouhaha that resulted from Rob Lonaker’s Truther piece from last year. A pity—but then, being a Truther, (still) a Birther, and now (to borrow the term Lew Rockwell mentioned today on his blog) also a Deather, I’m anything but impartial. Though I loved Lonaker’s piece, it generated enough anger and hot air to grow a decade’s worth of tomatoes.
Perhaps that’s the best reason to be chary of going there again, given that the last thing these premises need is more disagreement.
I’m with Pierre de Craon, anyone who believes that OBL pulled off hasn’t reviewed the visual evidence. the debris speaks volumes. Msm is untrustworthy on this argument. Worse, complicit. http://is.gd/CV8rvn
Whenever someone famous (or infamous) dies, there inevitably will be conspiracy theories. Sadly, this is human nature. I’d be shocked if some “False Dmitri” characters don’t emerge in the coming years claiming to be bin Laden.
Osama bin Laden and his deputies were thugs, and certainly no friends of our people. But the sad truth is that a misguided US foreign policy was largely to blame for 9/11. Perhaps rather than celebrate we should reevaluate our policies in this region of the world. I propose the following be conducted in the next 30 days: US troops out of the Middle East, seal the US border, deport all aliens with suspected ties to terrorist groups, close Guantanamo , and institute a balanced policy toward the Arab/Israeli conflict not dictated by AIPAC. Well, I can dream, can’t I?
So many Americans, have become really strange people. We seem to deal with the subject of politics in a really infantile manner. I remember not long ago, when the French wouldn’t agree with our policy on some matter in the Middle East, how people in Los Angeles, to express their “anger” at the French for being a sovereign nation, I guess, poured expensive French wine into the sewers. I would have gladly desposed of it for them, had I the chance.
Bobby , Its the men behind the media not the people in the media.(A humiliating occupation for the none-zion) . They require a constant boogey man , a point of division , a foil .The top editors know what their bosses want : they discover over booze and long lunches.
Its now a Zionist circus and the Politicians have to ride their bicycles when the xylophone sounds. By forcing our leaders (?) to play along they also further degrade them into other actions .Sort of like when a gangster makes the mug kill postman so now he’s in on it. Its all going towards this New Big war in the Middle East and the Polies are being chain trained. Is that to much??
Hopefully we can use this occasion to claim victory and go home from the Middle East. (I agree with a certain blustering businessman that we should take several trillion dollars worth of oil for our efforts) We avenged the 9/11 attack, we made them pay, so we are done. No more wasteful military spending, cut off aid to Pakistan for hiding Bin Laden, and make friends with Rehmat and his one billion Muslims, instead of the 13 million jews in the world.
From now on, lets just bomb military threats to US with a couple hundred million dollars worth of drones, and no more ground forces. We are broke and cannot even afford to build schools in the Appalachian mountains, or clean up after the jewish owned strip mines, or provide enough nurses for old folks – so let us declare peace and leave!
The 9/11 Deception and the Death of Bin Laden
http://www.bollyn.com/home#article_12964
ZOGstein strikes again with more tribe propaganda.
Chechar pulled a great comment from Mangan’s
“Jerry said…
No Al Qaeda member ever called me cracker. Islamic extremists don’t bring Muslim terror to the Western world: the white-hating racists of the Leftist elite do by sponsoring mass Muslim immigration. Islamic terrorism in the West, like immigrant street gang violence, is just an extension of the violent policy of extermination through racist colonialism being waged by the Leftist elites against their own peoples. That war of racial genocide, of which Islamic terrorism in the West is but a by-product, will go on. The prime emotion I feel over Bin Laden’s death is indifference, like a man waiting for the firing squad being told that the crook who once stole his bicycle had at last been arrested.”
http://chechar.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/obama-kills-osama/#comment-741
http://mangans.blogspot.com/2011/05/obama-kills-osama.html#c5911974564669662559
The comment quoted above is clever and rather more than clever. Since it shows traces of great care in its wording—i.e., to avoid bruising the easily bruised sensibilities of everyone’s favorite Hated and Powerless Victims—I took a look at the blog (Mangan’s) on which it was first posted. It took about thirty seconds to see that it was a place intended for Freepers who were tired, NOT of Free Republic’s mind-control games and idiotic political rants, but only of the rank odor of unwashed bodies, unbrushed teeth, and uncontrolled flatulence characteristic of that site. Nowhere, needless to say, is the Name of the Beast given or hinted at. What a waste of time.
“This is while burial at sea is not an Islamic practice and Islam does not determine a timeframe for burial.”
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/177774.html
“This is while Grand Sheik of al-Azhar in the Egyptian capital of Cairo, Ahmad al-Tayeb, has condemned the US measure to deposit the body of bin Laden into the sea as a violation of Islamic laws.
The burial at sea “runs contrary to the principles of Islamic laws, religious values and humanitarian customs,” al-Tayeb said in a statement.”
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/177994.html
Someone above mentioned Paul Craig Roberts “brilliant” analysis. Paul Craig Roberts is-just as Alex Jone is- a dishonest conspiracy theorist. And what comes with the 9/11 conspiracy theory is the race-replacement of the Native Born White American Majority at the hands of high fertility-post 1965 nonwhites such a Muslim “Americans”. 9/11 conspiracy theorists Alex Jones are on record-multiple times-as being very confortable with the race-replacement of the White Majority in Texas with Mexican Wetbacks. For 9/11 conspiracy theorist Paul Craig Roberts, immigration has completely dropped off his political radar screen. I sincerly believe that Paul Craig Roberts is now enthusiast for the race-replacement of the Native Born White Majority.
9/11 was a direct consequence of the 1965 Immigration Refrom Act..9/11 was 43 years in th making…9/11 was a direct consequence of post-1965 race-replacement immigration policy. Nothing could be more obvious.
But behind the race-replacement post-1965 immigration policy wa the massive greed of the White Greedy Cheating Class..9/11 was ultimtely a direct consequence of race-replacing,wealth transfering and Native Born White American destroying 1965 Immigration Reform Act.
I have 0 interest in being involved in a antiwar coalition with the transvesite English foriegner Aleander Cockburn whose website is a platform for racist hispanics,racists asains and rootless Cosmpolitian Jews such as Noam Chomsky-check out his post on Counterpunch two weeks ago-who cheer on the race-replacement of the Native Born White Majority.
The death of Osama bin Laden will used to justify even greater war crimes..this in turn will be justified the race-repacement of the Native Born White Majority…because the fact that “US” poltical and Military Elites are enthusiasts for the race-replacement of the Native Born White American Majority-especially in the “US” Military demonstrated the moral purity of “US” intervention in the Muslim world.
Paul Craig Roberts is a fraud.
Generally speaking,9/11 conspiracy theorists are retards.
Hi Troll, how ya doin’?
“Generally speaking,9/11 conspiracy theorists are retards.”
Yeah, I can see why you would say that when its obvious you appear incapable of either understanding or acknowledging the reams of physical evidence available that backs up the conclusions made by the smart people who have actually studied it.
Sorry, Jupiter7 – the ” retards”, as you so quaintly put it, are all on the other side of the argument – yours.
I’m a builder by trade. I attended an ‘Architects & Engineers for 911′ presentation. The evidence presented here speaks volumes and led me to question the government’s conspiracy case. Don’t be a sap, open your mind.
Jupiter — I agree wholeheartedly, sir. Whites could be going the way of the North American Indian. That’s what I care about. The fate of a religious nut in a third-world country is the least of my worries. If Obama releases the photos of bin Laden’s corpse you can rest assured that Alex Jones and Paul Craig Roberts will be the first to start yakking about doctoring. Their hearts are not pure.
Emmanuel Goldstein is dead. Let’s get the hell out of the Middle East!
I wondered how long it would take my remark on PCR to get Jupiter 7 to respond with his standard rant. Two hours and twenty-six minutes, no less. Could he be losing a step or two in his age? Or was he having dinner with his friends Io 4 and Callisto 39, and the jokes about Titan and Saturn’s other moons were just so hilarious darling that he completely lost track of the time?
9/11 was a joint US/Israeli/Saudi operation fella.
The 9/11 Commision was usurped by Jewish Neocons and this is all part of that situation.
Neocons are the most pro immigration people after the ultra jewish liberal groups.
Wake up. It ALL ties together. I do not know how old you are but those of us 40 years old and over take a different approach to what “our” governmnet tells us. ESPECIALLY since 9/11
“PCR is a fraud. ”
The most idiotic statement I have seen posted here.
waiting for the 30 point headline:
WHITE RACE COMMITS SUICIDE…LAST ISSUE OF THIS NEWSPAPER…
This was a victory in a righteous cause – revenge for 9/11.
Lets show some appreciation for the competance of Seal Team 6, the CIA and everyone else involved. They are, after all, our White American brothers.
And always remember – the victims of 9/11 were, mostly, White American brothers and sisters.
As for burial at sea: what could be more natural than for the US navy, flush with the joy of victory and in a magnanimous mood, to give a fallen enemy what the navy considers an honorable burial?
Yeah I would agree with you, Whites Unite. The focus should be on the special forces, the most politically incorrect groups in the military. Navy Seals are overwhelmingly White, mostly from the South. Affirmative action plays no roll – no women or gays on those teams. I believe they are something like 97% White. Obama knows where to go when he wants something done right.
So, if anyone you know is celebrating, focus them on the competence of the White teams that made this possible.
Going through the comments here I am suprised to see how many still accept the official 9/11 story. Or maybe suprised isn’t the right word. What’s a good word for amused, disapointed and upset? Clearly some readers here need to retake Jewology 101.
@ Liberte
“Going through the comments here I am surprised to see how many still accept the official 9/11 story.”
You shouldn’t be surprised. The people abusing the “conspiracy theorists” and vilifying Paul Craig Roberts as a “retard” are well known to us regulars here as our resident Zionist trolls.
Once you spot them — Jason Speaks, Someday and their various sock puppets — you will come to accept their presence. Masquerading as White Nationalists, these guys are mouthpieces for organized Jewry — probably paid to write here.
Every dog has its ticks and every good website its trolls.
Sure Miriam, the only way a person could throw cold water on some of these conspiracy hypotheses is if they are Zionist trolls. Why else would someone oppose the perfectly logical idea that world events are being controlled by Reptile People. Rense seems to accept the RP theory and Alex Jones flirts with it. Oh, I suppose an old fashioned person might want a wee bit more evidence that Lizard Folk from Outer Space are secretly guiding events, but who cares about those old fuddy duddies?
I do think there are conspiracies of a kind, but I don’t think they are the fundamental driving force of history. In a way, I think of conspiracy theories as a kind of “folk theory” to explain events by people who are pre-scientific. I think we can use more rigor, which people like MacDonald and Salter have provided.
The other thing that bothers me about so-called conspiracy theories, is that they seem to be unpredictable in terms of how they benefit White people. Maybe it wakes some people up to the machinations of different ethnic groups (especially Jews) and that is a good thing. After all, the replacement of Whites is in the US is actually happening – although for the most part Jews and others have been boldly and loudly bragging about it, not hiding it.
But most of the conspiracy theorists I know of don’t really seem that concerned with White people and White interests, and therein lies the problem. They become rather obsessed with the target (Jews, Masons, WASPs, the Catholic Church, Zoroastrians, Reptile People) and they stop really caring about White Civilization. I know it’s insulting, but it seems more of a fairy tale way of explaining the world when it’s taken too far.
“This was a victory in a righteous cause – revenge for 9/11.”
This lends support to the idea that there should be an intelligence test given to anyone who votes.
Stupid people should never be permitted to choose who will lead the majority of us who aren’t.
Miriam, I couldn’t agree with you more.
Whites Unite: “This was a victory in a righteous cause – revenge for 9/11.”
Yes.
Whites Unite: “Lets show some appreciation for the competance of Seal Team 6, the CIA and everyone else involved. They are, after all, our White American brothers.”
Yes.
Whites Unite: “And always remember – the victims of 9/11 were, mostly, White American brothers and sisters.”
And yes.
Whites Unite: “As for burial at sea: what could be more natural than for the US navy, flush with the joy of victory and in a magnanimous mood, to give a fallen enemy what the navy considers an honorable burial?”
I don’t care.
Just honor the troops, remember the dead, and then after a decent interval get back to serious issues like the need to end mass immigration. Especially Islamic mass immigration. (Why kill one Osama and import millions of them?) And above all, immigration from Pakistan, which we can now see clearly is an enemy.
@ Jason Speaks
Good try, Jason.
How did you guess I was an ardent fan of David Icke and the Lizard Folk from Outer Space?
C’mon man, be reasonable, everyone know dem Lizard Folk arrived on Planet Earth 10 trillion years ago and intermarried with certain hook-nosed tribes in Tel Aviv. :)
Yeah man, doncha know…these guys pulled off 9-11, the whole darn thing being masterminded by Alex Jones and his consort Madonna — sorry, Lady Gaga.
Which brings up an interesting question, is Lady GaGa really a man or woman? And if she can sing a song about how people should be true to how they were born, then why can’t Whites be true to their inner voices? Why is that privilege only reserved for gays and transgendered people? I want to hear her sing a song about race realism, dammit.
Jason, Jason, you break my heart! What is a man of your obvious intelligence doing batting for the wrong side? I sometimes wonder if the the devil, the Father of Lies, is aware that he is a liar. Or does he actually believe his own lies? *Sigh*. I guess I’ll never know.
I agree that this is an example of the competence of whites working together in teams. However, you seem to accept the premise that OBL and his box-cutter team actually executed the 9/11 disaster. Really? Is that true? There is growing evidence that this official government theory is a half-truth at best, and a complete lie and fabrication at worst.
Americans got exactly what they deserved on 9/11.
The death of every U. S. soldier is a victory for the cause of White racial survival.
They, including all of the U. S. Navy SEALs, are fighting for Jewish interests.
Miriam, I agree with you on the points you have made in this thread. Jason Speaks Hebrew is a Jew troll.
Fact is SF wanted nothing to do with this operation despite the fact it is a classic case of EXACTLY what SF does. If they had sent SF we would have a live body trust me.
Gen McChrystal (a poster man for White Pride) realized what a bogus deal Afghanistan was and bailed out.
I doubt this was a “Navy Seal team”.. More like Blackwater XE assasins who plyed with enough money would kill their own family members
@Jason Speaks. Although many posters attempt to debase your arguments, I find them refreshing and to the point. You obviously care about the state of white America as this sentiment routinely surfaces in your writings. kudos
It took Obama two years to provide his birth certificate. I don’t know how many years or months, or maybe just hours, it will take the Obama administration to provide Osama’s death certificate. The whole story stinks: getting rid of the corpse is hiding evidence, not the way to proof he is dead.
By the way, I still can not understand why Obama got the Nobel Peace Price: America is committed to more armed conflicts in more continents then ever before. In fact, he committed two extrajudicial assassination attempts in one week, of which one was suppossed to be successful.
I think Bin Laden has long been dead. But how can you sell all those wasted tax-dollars and useless casualties to the American public without a good story?
Let’s look at this from the perspective of the average American. I think this whole thing makes Bush and his team look really bad. It makes clear in the public mind that Osama could have been captured or killed long ago, if they had focused on it. It also makes NeoCons look bad. I have already heard some conservative radio guys mocking Karl Rove for saying we should stay in Afghanistan and rebuild it.
I think this undercuts the case for staying in Afghanistan and it certainly hurts the case for giving aid to Pakistan in the public mind. The reaction of most Americans now is, “can we please leave the Middle East, now?”
I don’t see that this feeds the desire for more adventures in the Middle East, quite the opposite. Most Americans, both Left and Right, want to get out.
Yeah, well I hope this isn’t opening the door to INCREASED military action in Pakistan.
That would be the one possibility I didn’t mention – this is all a ruse to get us in a fight with Pakistan. However, given that they have nuclear weapons, it doesn’t seem very likely that anything like a hot war will be contemplated.
They have them, but they don’t have the missiles to attack us with them.
I could see Zardari being toppled and us trying to dismantle/destroy the nukes.
Could you imagine occupying a nation of over 200 million people? The refugees? We’d never have a white medical student again.
That’s an interesting angle. Is Pakistan considered an enemy of Israel? I assume they are considered a threat given that they are an Islamic country with nukes. I could see NeoCons encouraging us to de-fang them.
Pakistan is in a tight spot. One the one hand, they are full of islamist crazies. On the other hand, the nationalists (primarily punjabis and mujahars) know that India, the Ahmadiyyas, or the Pathans could tear the country apart. That is probably the real reason they meddle so much in Afghanistan–because there are more Pathans (i.e., Pashtuns, Afghans) in Pakistan than in Afghanistan.
So the point of all that is that the elites there have to keep the Sunni devout happy so they can keep the lid on ethnic and religious minorities. Therefore the default is hostility toward Israel. On the other hand, Israel seems to see Iran as its greatest threat, and on that front have common ground with Pakistan….
They have them, but they don’t have the missiles to attack us with them.
The Pakistani government could certainly nuke any American army massed along their border.
Uncle Sam would have a heck of a time recruiting any new hayseeds to join the armed services after something like that happened.
I’m with you Kevin. The day Bin Laden was supposedly killed, dozens of students celebrated in front of the White House. The Jews must be laughing so hard to the point of tears. I wanted to heave. In this day and age I expected more from the younger generation to be in-the-know due to the internet; something our parents didn’t have the luxury of.
And to rid the body of our public enemy No. 1 with such haste reminds me of the 9-11 clean-up/cover-up. It’s on par with Obama’s long-form birth certificate.
I need a beer.
Dear KM: When I was a kid, in the fifties, roughneck newspaper guys (most of whom then weren’t Harvard and Columbia J-school Jewish queens) used to call that kind of banner-headline typeface “Second Coming.” To do so now would be to commit a hate crime that would certainly cost one his job.
The man is dead. There will be no trial, no proof of guilt, no evidence, no establishing a motive. This is pleasing to many, but the lost opportunity to understand is not a reason for celebration unless facts would interfere with your narrative.
My initial reaction was quite ambivalent. I was glad Bin Laden was dead but Obama and his supporters were obviously using this for political gain. After a couple of days, I’m more positive about it, mainly because I think it emphasizes the competence and courage of White American military men (not a lot of Cultural Marxism among the Navy Seals).
I am also sensing this may undercut the NeoConservative case, but we’ll see. It has certainly made us look like chumps to the average American. We’ve given $20 billion to Pakistan since 9-11 and it turns out they were harboring the number one terrorist. We spent over a trillion dollars in Iraq and lost 3,000 lives … and now that seems so tragically irrelevant.
And I don’t think this makes Obama look good so much as it makes Bush and his team look bad. It certainly emphasizes the obvious – the Middle East is a region filled with treacherous jerks and trying to build Jeffersonian democracies in that region is a fool’s errand.
There seems to be indications that Senator Lugar and even Sarah Palin are breaking with the neo-cons–maybe they finally got around to Smedley Butler’s book. Then again, I’m so jaded at this point that I feel it’s all kabuki theater.
In any event, bin Laden is at this point irrelevant. The only way to stop terrorism is to keep Muslim immigrants out and leave their countries to their own devices. Bin Laden’s death SOLELY serves our nomenkaltura’s narrative.
After a couple of days, I’m more positive about it, mainly because I think it emphasizes the competence and courage of White American military men
How well known is the racial make-up of the Navy SEALs?
And is it really that remarkable that 79 men* managed to take over a compound in a firefight which took 40 minutes and left only three or four defenders dead?
How many men were defending the compound?
If I had to guess I’d say the SEALs had a least a three to one advantage over the defenders.
Until it’s revealed how many defenders the compound had, I see no reason to call what the SEALs did all that impressive. Even regular U.S. soldiers usually win when they have a significant numerical advantage over the enemy.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/world/asia/04raid.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
The demographics of the Navy Seals and other special forces are known. I’ll have to find the links, but they are well known to be overwhelming White. And stop trying to stain the reputation of those brave soldiers.
There is a recruitment effort to find more minority candidates for the Special Forces because the numbers are so low. Here is a quote from the Military Times:
Roughly 12.5 percent of the U.S. population is black, a number expected to rise to 13 percent by 2040, according to U.S. Census predictions. But only 10 percent of SEAL officers are minorities — with blacks representing 2 percent of officers
So 90% are totally White, with the remaining 10% being labeled “minority”, which we can assume is stretched (half Mexicans, quarter Mexicans, etc.). It’s a really White group.
Jason.
Thanks for the interesting info.
Still, my point was to ask how well known if the racial make-up of the Navy SEALs among the public.
The point was to point out that even if the Navy SEALs are disproportionately Whites, the Navy SEALs killing Bin Laden isn’t going to do the reputation of Whites any good if only a tiny minority of people know about those demographics.
After a couple of days, I’m more positive about it, mainly because I think it emphasizes the competence and courage of White American military men
You see, the question is: “It emphasizes the competence and courage of White American military men to who?”
The media isn’t going to be having any stories on the racial demographics of the Navy SEALs any time soon, and I doubt those demographics are well known at all among the general public.
And stop trying to stain the reputation of those brave soldiers.
I didn’t say they weren’t brave.
My point was that I haven’t seen any real evidence yet showing what they did to be particularly impressive by military standards.
Being part of a group of 78 soldiers who managed to kill three of four enemy combatants isn’t going to win you any commendations, or at least I assume the U.S. Militay hasn’t degraded itself to point where it would.
Jason Speaks: “I am also sensing this may undercut the NeoConservative case, but we’ll see.”
We should hope so.
Jason Speaks: “We’ve given $20 billion to Pakistan since 9-11 and it turns out they were harboring the number one terrorist.”
That is a point we should always raise, preferably in detail and with the exact numbers, because it is 100% legitimate. We have been scammed. The country that did it is an enemy country. We can see now that any wall between ISI and Al Qaeda was pure fiction. We should not be importing people from Pakistan.
The more Pakistanis that go home, the better. White Britain would be much better off without them. White anywhere would be better off without them.
If they finally reveal the SEAL team members and it happens that there’s a single non-white SEAL in the bunch, it’s him they press will be interviewing.
The Bush administration was careful not to claim that Osama Bin Laden was “operationally involved” in 911, merely “inspirationally,” meaning, not at all. Khalid Shiek Mohammad who allegedly confessed under torture is the closest to a “mastermind” we have been presented with.
The body/evidence is disposed of summarily, just like the evidence at the World Trade Center. Dramatic scenarios are leaked to the press, then retracted, just as were the stories of Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman. Misleading and/or staged pictures are disseminated online, just as with the death of Nicholas Berg, the toppling of Saddam’s statue, and much of what comes out of the Israeli propaganda outfit SITE, dutifully presented to us on our televisions as “secret evidence.”
Whatever the truth, there are likely positive consequences to this story. The neo-conservative Israeli-firsters from the Bush administration have been completely discredited, further escalations in the Middle East seem less likely, and this gives Obama some breathing room from Israeli pressure.
With the ten year anniversary months away, I fear it’s likely to help continue the coverup, just like the media created “Ground Zero Mosque” story did last year.
Of course, among critics of the 9/11 official story, the view that bin Laden died in December 2001 has been the prevailing view for a long time. That bin Laden would not be captured alive and that his alleged corpse would be quickly disposed of is exactly what that theory would predict.
What’s so shocking to me is ALL of the media coverage and talk radio I’ve heard here in S. California repeats the government’s party line: OBL was the mastermind behind 9/11. The US spent 10 years hunting OBL without luck until now. DNA (results in under 48 hours!) results “prove” it was OBL. Immediate burial at sea as per Moslem custom (remember Sadam’s sons were held for 11 days before they were buried).
What surprises me is that so few seem to be questioning the inconsistencies of the government’s story AND the fraud of obama birth certificate.
You know what I think? I think OBL was killed in 2001, held in a freezer somewhere, dragged out, unwrapped and tossed into the ocean. And, who are you to question this?
Trot out a few loved ones of innocent victims killed in 9/11 to “justify” the “killing” of OBL and you have the usual government cover story, which YOU are not to question.
I’m shocked, shocked I tell you that so many believe whatever the government tells them! Do YOU believe the economy is improving and the jobless rate falling?
The Jew-led wars are expanding without end going into an election cycle, there are heavy-duty, very embarrassing questions about obama’s credentials and qualifications not only being legitimately asked but receiving media attention, gas prices are going through the roof as well as the price of gold, and now silver — meaning the dollar is losing even more of what little value is left (it seems the Ben BerNACH’s hyper-inflation us setting in as he prepares to launch QE III and probably IV). The US jobless rate is massive with no end in sight. Riots are breaking out all over the world.
Time to launch a Monica!
The whole newspaper industry has become like the cartoons with the evil bearded one sneaking about hiding in caves and such , but the good g.i. joe guys get him in the end and now all has been made right in the world …. til next episode .
They should have got wiley coyote and spider man and mr. T teamed up long ago since they would have taken out the evil bean ladden long ago .
Or the cia could have teamed up with the mossad . They could have invented a special soup containing super highly radio active material ingredients that could be seen from spy sattelites . So they put the soup in a special post box : ” To : mr. bean ladden some where hiding in a cave in islamistan mountains from your fans who hate amerikar just like you do ”
Then when bean ladden eats the delicious soup and he gets it on his beard and he is apprehended easily .
Osama bin -Deadin-? Wake me up when the circus is over.
Well apparently the killing of Bin Laden is a bit of a downer for a certain contingent at TOO. This saddens me in a sense, because it means TOO isn’t reaching the audience it really needs (Middle Class White people). But I am sure it will improve with time.
As I said, I was a bit ambivalent when the news broke as well (I am no fan of Obama), but when you think it through logically, what else is the US supposed to do with an enemy like Bin Laden except kill him – that is what most Americans have wanted for 10 years. In fact, I would say the celebrations have been quite muted compared to what they would have been say 7 years ago, especially if Bush had done it. Guys like Rush Limbaugh don’t seem very happy about this at all, for political reasons.
I understand there are those who believe everything is a conspiracy, and that conspiracies drive everything, that maybe Bin Laden was created by PIxar, so of course you will see things through that prism. I am talking about how a person that does not share that view thinks.
Ok, Jason, I’m not a truther, but here we go:
1) Why on earth would they not capture bin Laden (a 60+ year old man on dialysis)? Wouldn’t that A) prove his identity. B) Prove we are the superior civilization governed by rule of law. C) Illuminate the actual 9/11 plot (countering truthers). D) Humiliate him and his movement by forcing him to bow to non-Islamic justice and then execute him as a common criminal. What could possibly vindicate us more than a trial? We could have let Dershowitz defend him!
2) Assuming capture was impossible (with 79 elite soldiers and helicopters). Why not bring the body back to the US? Moslems are going to be offended regardless because A) OBL was subjected to non-Islamic justice. B) Burials at sea are forbidden according to the ahadith (must be facing Mecca). Why would the government think that people would trust that the full force of the American military and intelligence gathering capabilities were unable to locate OBL for 10 years but suddenly killed him in front of no objective witnesses. Surely the government knows that photoshop is not secret technology. Why not put this to rest and bring the body back and allow the Medical Examiners from the 10 biggest counties in the US and the chief pathologists from the Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, and Brigham and Women’s to inspect it??
No one laments OBL’s death, but you have to admit that the government’s behavior seems odd. Furthermore, does this mean that the troops are coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan? Does this mean that I can get on a plane without some stranger looking at my balls with x-ray vision? How excited should I be?
I can’t be sure what the thinking was that led them to kill Bin Laden versus capturing him, although that is what I would have done if I was a politician – and it is consistent with what Obama has done since President. Obama has not been a big fan of capturing and warehousing terrorists, he has been a fan of killing them with drones. It’s more efficient and you don’t have any sticky problems about what to do with them. He’s more cold blooded in that sense than Bush. The Administration could not calculate what political problems would occur with a live trial of Bin Laden. I don’t mean about Bin Laden “spilling the beans” on a conspiracy, I mean regular ol’ politics.
You can see them thinking it through: Where would the trial be How much would it cost? What would the security issues be? Wouldn’t both the Left and Republicans pick the process apart? This way, he’s dead, Obama gets the political credit and there is no mess to clean up.
You also have to remember, it is not a serious consideration to counter so-called truthers. They aren’t a force in official politics or in most people’s mind. And honestly, would the doubters of the official story believe anything that was said by Bin Laden, or the actor they believe is playing Bin Laden? Alex Jones today was saying that they can make anything look like anything, so trying to convince a doubter of the official story is a fool’s errand.
So for Obama, killing him is all upside, and the downside carried some political risk. Go for the easy kill, get the credit, move on. I’m not talking morality here, just raw politics.
Jason speaks wrote: “As I said, I was a bit ambivalent when the news broke as well (I am no fan of Obama), but when you think it through logically, what else is the US supposed to do with an enemy like Bin Laden except kill him – that is what most Americans have wanted for 10 years. ”
Of course they should have killed him, but at what cost?
Osama bin Laden is now The Six Trillion Dollar Man. $6,000,000,000,000 is what Joseph Stiglitz conservatively estimates this farce our “leaders” call The War on Terror will finally cost the United States.
[ but when you think it through logically, what else is the US supposed to do with an enemy like Bin Laden except kill him ]
bean ladden was a good friend of zionist occupied america since he played his cartoon role as the bad guy that sent US white goyim troops in to lay the middle east low and less resistant to israel and jewish world banker control .
Besides , don’t write bean ladden off just yet , I think that now that bean ladden is dead he will be back with casper the not so friendly ghost for some more world mischief .
Stay tuned .
Yes, as I said, if you believe Bin Laden was created by Pixar, then your opinion is going to be quite different. But since the average American doesn’t believe that, and in fact considers him an enemy responsible for 9-11, then their positive appraisal of his killing makes perfect sense.
I do believe conspiracies exist by the way. There was a conspiracy to kill Caesar, after all. It is more a question of how important conspiracies are in the great sweep of history. I don’t think conspiracies are at the heart of what moves human affairs. I think things like ideas, religion, demographics and certain material forces are more fundamental.
People like Alex Jones become intoxicated over the idea of “false flag” operations. He loves to point to the burning of the Reichstag as an example of how Hitler faked an attack and used it as a justification for seizing more power. No doubt, things like that happen (police have throw down guns, for example). However, the truth is, Hitler was going to gain dictatorial power whether that fire happened or not. And Germany and England were likely to butt heads no matter what the pretext was. And in the future, there may be conflict between the US and China due to all the forces at work, not because it was “engineered” from some tiny group – although there are no doubt groups eager to exploit the situation.
Alex Jones – Hollywood is run by Arabs! In Jeff Gates’ lexicon, a reliable asset. Pied Piper with megaphone and zionist script.
I don’t live in America so I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised that more than a few contributors here swallowed the ludicrous official 9/11 fairy tale, and worse, are falling for this latest great, big, fat, Jewish lie about OBL being snatched from under the nose of the Pakistani military by 79 brave Navy Seals. The media megaphone in the hands of our mortal enemy might be shrinking, but it still has a powerful effect.
Look folks, anybody who has take and careful look at 9/11 will quickly come to the conclusion that to believe the Governments version is to believe in Jewish Physics and many other impossible things.
OBL had nothing what ever to do with it and he did shuffle off his mortal in December 2001. On the 10th September 2001 he was in a Pakistani Hospital on a Kidney Dialysis machine!
Don’t believe their lies people.
Aww you know how dumb the sheeple in Ameriduh are! They don’t figure out the angles like smart people do. They don’t get that the world is secretly ruled by shapeshifting reptiles from another dimension. The fools need to listen to more Rense.
Osama bin Laden and the hapless detainees in Guantanamo are simply stage props to make people believe the preposterous story of 19 hijackers with box cutters, directed from a cave in Afghanistan, able to confound U.S. air defenses and make three buildings collapse into their footprints, all without leaving a paper trail.
If you simplify by looking only at the collapse of the three buildings at the WTC and apply the law of parsimony, the evidence points to a controlled demolition. The problem for many Americans is that a controlled demolition conflicts with the very complicated, improbable fantasy presented within days of 9/11, that is to say, everyone can see that it would be impossible for Muslims directed by Osama bin Laden from a cave in Afghanistan to place nano-thermite in those buildings. It follows that Occam’s Razor demands a different perpetrator.
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The real perpetrators were expert false flag operatives from Israeli, U.S., and British intelligence. They work for those who see advantage in creating conflict and perpetual wars that will undermine Western democracies.
Once again, it doesn’t matter who did 9/11. It doesn’t matter because NOBODY but a few fringe Internet Experts cares. So tired of the Truthers infecting every legitimate cause with their BS. Now on to more important issues.
While I am not a fan of the Alex Jones view of the world, I wonder how many people follow that kind of thinking? I’ve always assumed it was negligible, but it may be more than I think. He gets some big name guests on his show, which I find dumbfounding.
I find him entertaining at times, but still reprehensible. Today, he was taking the word of some corrupt Pakistani general as the gospel, virtually allying himself with a bunch of creepy dictators. Alex is basically saying the Pakistanis are the good guys and the average US soldier is the bad guy. Not a good place to be.
But the may be some good from this general lack of trust and it may be inevitable in a multiethnic society.
The conspiracy mindset can become very unhealthy and as dogmatic as any fundamentalist religion. However, the evidence is growing that the official 9/11 conspiracy theory simply is not true. Check out ‘Architects & Engineers for 9/11′ and other reputable sources. http://www.ae911truth.org/
- evil bearded man gets some A-rab men brain warshed with dreams of virgins and hating america
- A-rab men hi jack planes and knock down some really really big buildings in order to terrorize america
- major wars start
- realising that he is in very big trouble , evil bearded man hides in caves
- heroic mullatto US president hunts down and kills evil bearded man and evil bearded man’s body is set to sea ( bon voyage ! )
- man posts something about fools and shape shifting reptiles
Dude you totally smoked me out. I was talking to Obama this morning about how to handle any possible awakening of the sheeple to this obvious con. After he smoked a heroic amount of ganja he gave me his vision: Go on TOO and make fun of these people who see through the Matrix. Damn your high IQ!
Listen, we are going to have a s
It’s good to know that some people have an ear with the president and also they are doing their patriotic duty .
Now , how bout them chemtrails ?
Question : Are they any worse than tobaccie smoke ?
Sorry I got cut off in the middle of my last sentence – they zapped the microchip in my head. As far as chemtrails, all I can say is breathe deep and all the secrets will be revealed. Why do you think Obama always has that glazed look?
I’d never heard of ‘chemtrails’ until i came to this site. Sounds ridiculous, but the US government actually did spray serratia all over San Francisco in the 1950′s.
http://www.weathermodification.com/
Oh , you’ve been zapped ?
just hold your head next to the microwave and set it for defrost for exactly 13 mins 13 seconds . That will fix it .
I thought the obamas glazed look was because he might be struggling reading the tele-prompter -ulator ,
but could be the chemtrails . Good point .
Too bad they could not have directed some chemtrails at bean ladden long ago when he was in the Islamic mountain caves or maybe better yet , when he was a little bearded gaffer in terrorist kindergarten .
But , what ever , hind sight is 20/20 and it turned out that all is well that ends well , with him ending up being fish food now .
Anyways , jason speaks , maybe we don’t agree on all the details , but , IMO , being pro-white is what is really important as to what to agree on .
Oh yeah, you are right, these are just quibbling details. And I don’t doubt the capacity for conspiracy on the part of our glorious leaders. I just think the role of plain stupidity by these “high IQ” Harvard types can never be discounted. Bush and his team weren’t even smart enough to manufacture some WMDs to “find” in Iraq.
A junior level cop can tell you to always have a throw down gun.
@ Athanasius [May 4, 2011 - 2:31 am]
I have a question for you. How does a man with your good intelligence get to be so slow on the uptake?? You wrote earlier:
I have done a little research for you. It took me all of 3 minutes. They are not spraying that ‘stuff’ over my head (not yet anyway), but they are spraying chemicals over yours. So, why do I know much more about this topic than you evidently do???
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/chemtrailsindex.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8NmzfjIkI0&feature=related
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/
http://chemtruth.ning.com/
Please be nice, Anglo-Saxon. Isn’t the point of Occidental solidarity to help each other out in as fraternal a way as possible? As it happens, I myself never heard the word chemtrails till today. Nor did I know a darn thing about serratia, though I have direct experience of government spray-overs of phony but poisonous anti-influenza chemicals here in NYC a few summers ago.
So as one who would like to be a bit less ignorant of this matter, I thank you for the links (well, except for the You Tube link; I never look at You Tube as a matter of principle). I shall gladly click on them and learn what I can.
I am always “nice” Pierre, but I am afraid it is not in my nature to be “sweet”, if that is really what you meant. Don’t be too sensitive now.
I sympathize with your concerns regarding JewTube, and respect men who abide by principles, but in this topsy-turvy world controlled by people with feminized minds, and highly sexualized anuses, it is actually not wise to avoid YouTube as a “matter of principle”.
There is really too much good stuff to be found on it (perhaps 15 to 20 percent of its content is absolutely priceless) so I would suggest you should make an exception to your principles and do all you can to watch all that you can (especially when reliably recommended).
The YouTube link to which I pointed is arguably the most informative of the 4 URLs I offered. It shows an interview of technical expert, who is very lucid and knowledgeable about this [Chemtrail] bizarre yet terrible issue.
Fairly put, AS. I’ll give the YT link a look.
Obama says, “Justice has been done.”
Justice? Since when is extra-judicial execution justice?
Nothing could be more depressing than Americans cheering an execution without charges, without a trial, without the presentation of evidence, and without the accused being able to face his accusers. It appears that they have lost their handle on concepts of justice long-embraced in the West and are following the example of the outlaw Israelis.
From the U.S. Army Lieber Code of 1863 Section IX under the heading of “Assassination”:
The law of war does not allow proclaiming either an individual belonging to the hostile army, or a citizen, or a subject of the hostile government an outlaw, who may be slain without trial by any captor, any more than the modern law of peace allows such international outlawry; on the contrary, it abhors such outrage. The sternest retaliation should follow the murder committed in consequence of such proclamation, made by whatever authority. Civilized nations look with horror upon offers of rewards for the assassination of enemies as relapses into barbarism.
Thank you for your sanity, S Fowler.
…except it’s not “extra-judicial execution”.
It’s MURDER! …………….MURDER!!!!!!!
Speak plainly. Please don’t help them hide their capital crime behind their manipulation of language you have accepted.
There may be hope we can “hang them by the neck until dead” if we refuse to forget what they have actually done here. They MURDERED Osama bin Ladin. Whether they did it for real or are only pretending because they needed the myth to defend themselves against reality is immaterial. Their intent and/or action was MURDER. And not just of him, I might add.
I can feel your outrage! Your sacred Muslim brother has been MURDERED! How dare these trifling White Men attack a beautiful Muslim leader! You’re blood boils at any insult to Arabs and Muslims, especially the Al Qaeda leaders. This is what really gets you going, isn’t it? Meanwhile your brother-in-spirit Anglo Saxon issues death warrants to anyone that disagrees with his version of 9-11 events. Or was it a fatwa? The finer points of Islamic law escape me.
TOO can do what it wants, but encouraging posters like this is not the way to attract actual Whites to your site.
It wouldn’t matter if bin Laden was a South African bushman. a Tibetan Monk or an Main Street, Wisconsin American white guy. It’s not his ethnicity or his religion that has me outraged at the manner of his death, or at least at the WAY THEY CHOSE TO REPORT HIS DEATH!
They MURDERED him! They broke their own laws to do it.
If in fact Osama bin Laden was guilty of the crimes they have accused him of the proper and LEGAL thing to do would have been to capture him and put him on trial in public where everyone would have had access to the evidence they used against him.
Squeaky, you really are dragging the bottom of the barrel with your faux outrage and indignant hand-wringing at the thought that some of us here have got your number.
Cut it out. It’s so…so…so…CHILDISH.
geez!
The fearful part of extra-judicial killing now become justice is that it would make Iraqi and Afghani hit squats coming after people like Bush, Blair, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent non-combatants legtimate.
OBL was a terrorist for killing 3,000 innocent non-combatants. So, aren’t Blair, Bush, Cheney et al., logically then, greater terrorists because of the hundreds of thousands of innocent people they had killed and the millions of others whom they displaced?
Well, hats off to the Seal Team 6 for the excellent; that’s one’s dead. Now what to do witht he billions more? Europeans as manipulated as most are still pull off a nice stunt once in awhile. In two weeks a new boogey man will be created, FOX already has named alli bobba mumbo jumbo as the next. Who trained Bin Laden? CIA Was he effective? You must say yes billions if not trillions have ben spent directly and indirectly to find him, secure against more attacks. Plus when we fly millions of extra hours being scanned, luggage raped, and higher priced tickets for isreali made body scanners? How many times have we heard how great the jew’s airline is! How each person is given a stern talking to before each flight?
The masses have a very short atttention span, it will blow over in two weeks tops.
Osama bin Laden and the hapless detainees in Guantanamo are simply stage props to make people believe the preposterous story of 19 hijackers with box cutters, directed from a cave in Afghanistan, able to confound U.S. air defenses and make three buildings collapse into their footprints, all without leaving a paper trail.
If you simplify by looking only at the collapse of the three buildings at the WTC and apply the law of parsimony, the evidence points to a controlled demolition. The problem for many Americans is that a controlled demolition conflicts with the very complicated, improbable fantasy presented within days of 9/11, that is to say, everyone can see that it would be impossible for Muslims directed by Osama bin Laden from a cave in Afghanistan to place nano-thermite in those buildings. It follows that Occam’s Razor demands a different perpetrator.
The real perpetrators were expert false flag operatives from Israeli, U.S., and British intelligence. They work for those who see advantage in creating conflict and perpetual wars that will undermine Western democracies.
Whilst i’d not agree with the thermite explanation, everything else from s. fowler strikes me as spot on. I’d add that 9/11 was a media psy-op.
Alex Jones is part of the controlled 9/11 opposition. Watch him squirm when the Jewish trail is pointed out. Time to drown out the dissident voice with the megaphone.
That’s right: http://www.ae911truth.org/
Jason Speaks seems to believe something like this:
1. Uncpecified part of WTC1 or 2 flies not just over the street but a couple of hundred feet to WTC7 and hits it.
2. Part crashes through the ceiling and hits a tank of diesel.
3. Diesel runs out and catches fire.
4. Sprinklers mysteriously fail, small fires burn for hours.
5. BBC and CNN reports collapse while building is still standing. (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bbc_wtc7_videos.html – BBC says years later that was “a mistake”)
6. Building that burned for a couple of hours collapses in less than 10 seconds. Never before or after 9-11 did a burning steel-frame building collapse in a similar fashion.
7. Even though WTC7 was killed by debris from WTC1 and/or WTC2 and is surrounded by non-WTC- buildings, no non-WTC-building was seriously damaged by the debris from either buildings 1, 2 or 7.
8. For some strange reason, the scrap heap of the former WTC-buildings becomes a “matter of national security” and is sealed off and cleaned up quickly. Why a pile of rubble must be sealed off and any details kept secret is never explained.
9. Given the fact that no steel-frame building never collapsed from fire before, it would have been a very good idea to let engineers analyze the remains and update the fire code. Obviously the WTC had some weakness that should be avoided in future skyscraper construction, yet it seems that it was more important to sell the remains as scrap as quickly as possible and keep everything as secret as possible.
10. The official WTC-commission does not mention the collapse of WTC7.
@Jason Speaks: Is there anything I got wrong? Maybe you can fill in some “facts” that I missed in the official story? Is there even an official story? The WTC-commision wrote 571 pages about the attacks, but does not even mention WTC7. So what’s the official story that you are defending here? You are insulting people who dare not to believe your version, yet you never define it.
So dear Jason Speaks, please enlighten us and tell us the official story of WTC7. Just WTC7 and only WTC7. If you are willing to insult anybody who is not believing the official story the LEAST YOU CAN DO IS TELLING US WHAT THE OFFICIAL STORY IS.
If the two, er, three WTC buildings actually collapsed due to the jetliners crashing into them ,when they were designed to withstand such a disaster, WHERE ARE THE LAWSUITS? Where are the lawyers suing the architects, the engineers, the contractors, etc etc? This is Amercia, ;and of lawyers and lawsuits. Now that’s fishy.
Jason is a Troll & Miriam K and others, Ignore them –SCROLL PAST .Any one of intelligence knows 9/ll was a Zionist project.The politicians are force to mime along and its all a part of ZOG’s scheme of making them irrelevant (disreputable to the people) for the coming of the New Western Government (World Government Stage 1).Even though they are forced to mime the words they aren’t Zogs.
Destroy, destroy!
So what does the second death of Osama bin Laden—who died originally on 13 December 2001 according to unimpeachable “conspiracy theory” sources—got to do with Israel and the Holocaust?
Plenty.
Read on.
As propaganda, Osama’s death hype is nearly surreal.
The only “evidence” Osama bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11 is (1) several discredited audio and video recordings of a supposed bin Laden speaking nonspecifically at unknown dates; and (2) Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s “confessions,” all coerced by torture, including by waterboarding him an admitted 183 times and by torturing his children, then ages six and eight.
Physics wins: The twin towers fell too rapidly for the official story to be true, or for OBL or 19 “hijackers” to have caused the buildings’ explosive destruction.
Former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto told David Frost in 2007 that OBL was previously killed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg&t=1m36s
Frost didn’t bother to ask her a follow-up question, but shouldn’t our government explain how Bhutto was mistaken or lying?
KSM will be tried, convicted, and executed in a military commission based on secret evidence, and we’ll be told only that he’s dead, which Obama and the media will announce joyously, just as for Osama. Dupes will again dance in the streets.
We’re supposed to take the government’s word (a) for how the buildings fell; (b) that Osama and KSM are guilty for 9/11′s crimes, despite a constitutional presumption of innocence and without evidence, charges, or a public trial; (c) that Osama was, and KSM will be, killed justly and their bodies disposed of in total concealment; and (d) that we shouldn’t think too much about these things because we’re all supposed to be united and to think about the families of the victims and to be grateful for the brave first responders and soldiers.
Any idea why the Insiders didn’t plant some Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq? That was the main reason for going to war (as sold to the public) and it was a huge historic embarrassment for the Bush Administration not to find any. They spent over a billion dollars searching for them and came up empty before the whole world. Wow.
Since the Pentagon has hundreds of bases all over the world, couldn’t they have cooked up some chemical and/or biological weapons somewhere for the troops to find? If they masterminded all of 9-11, the towers coming down, the planes in the sky, the plane hitting the pentagon … and now 10 years later they fake the killing of Bin Laden …
… Gosh it sure seems like they could plant some throw down weapons for the troops to find, like any rookie officer would do. How could these people have failed on such an obvious point?
Jason Speaks says:
Does anyone see how this is relevant to Lonaker’s post, at all? Rob Lonaker makes some excellent points regarding the government propaganda surrounding 911 and the recent Osama story. Let’s not allow Jason Speaks to distract us with talk of his favorite subjects, “lizard people” and Alex Jones.
Well see, Bush and NeoCons were totally humiliated in front of the whole world by NOT finding WMDs. Do you remember that? It happened a few years ago after the Iraqi war. It was like totally huge. And it seems an odd thing for a masterful group of sociopathic conspiracy dudes to miss. You are telling me that the same people that pulled off the 9-11 con job and this whole Bin Laden con job, couldn’t plant a few WMDs? See, failing to find them totally destroyed their reputations and credibility. Remember that? It’s like accusing someone of an incredibly complex crime that involves a lot of people, that is pulled off before the whole world, but then telling me failed to something painfully obvious, like plant WMDs.
Mind you, it doesn’t mean something isn’t afoul, but it must of a different nature then is being posited. By the way, I don’t mention Lizard People, that is Rense and Alex Jones, your intellectual guides.
Anyway, I know you will die believing all this stuff, so it’s rather pointless. I just don’t want readers to think everyone holds these views. If you will excuse me, I have to go shed my reptile skin … or drat I just admitted it!!
There are many informed, intelligent and concerned people posting their comments here. And there are a small cadre of idiots, trolls and wilfully ignorant narcissists who appear incapable of doing more than wasting bandwidth repeating ad nauseum the government’s talking points and myths while hurling insults like “conspiracy theorists” at those of us who have the skill sets required to reach intelligent conclusions based on evidence.
It’s that fact that keeps me away for weeks at a time. And that is probably why they’re posting here – to drive away those frustrated by their imbecility who might make a difference to the movement – by making it almost impossible to develop intelligent, on-going narratives based on the original articles.
On one of my newspaper comments sections there is a button labeled “IGNORE” that you can click to remove the comments of those you’re not interested in reading. It could be a tool we could use here.
I know I’d be back more often if I could only remove the annoying claptrap that seems to never stop no matter the subject.
I fully agree.
Me too. There is an easy fix. TOO must create a system of registered commentators. You get two strikes and you’re out. Profile deleted and IP banned.
@ arthurdecco … I whole heartedly agree, and have already posted a comment (or two) along similar lines earlier, but Prof Mac and his website team have failed to take notice, and have apparently carried on regardless.
Perhaps they have issues of self-preservation we are not yet aware of?
@ JJT (May 4, 2011 – 11:49 am) … a registration system for TOO is exactly what I proposed about 2 months ago. But, no signs of any progress to such a system so far. It should be understood that a “members only” website would cost extra to administer.
I am extremely puzzled, considering all that has gone on since January 2011, why the Moderators employed by Prof Mac don’t simply erase all comments posted by the rabid fool who uses the moniker “Jason Speaks”. I don’t propose his pre-April 2011 comments should be erased from the TOO database (their eclectic insanity would be of interest to future researchers), but I do believe the time has come to rid this website of his future presence.
But blocking or erasing “Jason Speaks” would only be a beginning. There are a few other felons, but they don’t post at the high frequency “Jason Speaks” does.
S. Fowler
You and your fellow 9/11 conspiracy theorists are retards. I’ve lost count of the number lies told by 9/1. conspiracy theorists. The Twin Towers, The Pentagon and Flight were all destroyed by young Muslim Men who just walked into America. It wasn’t the least bit diffucult…no more difficult than when the young West German Male flew a small plane from Berlin under Russian radar and landed next to the Kremlin…if he had a small nuclear device he could have nuked the Kremlin. It is really astonishing the degree to which 9/11 conspiracy theorists will lie.
What happened on 9/11 was massive idictment of the post-1965 immigration policy and the 1965 Immigration Reform Act. But if it were up to Alex Jones and his pinhead Bible quoting followers, Muslim legal immigration will continue full-speed ahead. Alex Jones poses no threat to the political establisment…he has given them what they want:a massive destraction away from post-1965 immigration policy and its horrific consequences for millions of White Americans.
Even though there are dozen of eyewitnesses to the fact that a passenger jet slammed into the Pentagon..photos included and Barbra Olson’s body parts scattered around the E-ring and identified with DNA testing…the 9/11 retards claim that a passenger jet never slammed into 9/11.
Paul Craig Roberts has taken up the cause of he 9/11 crazies precisely becaue he wants to massively destract away from post-1965 immigration policy..this is why he is silent about its horrific consequences for millions of White Americans. If you had to pick one event that should have resulted in a massive shut down-to 0-of all nonwhite immigration it is 9/11-and the earlier attack on the TT in Nov 1993..But instead we get the pudgy creep Alex Jones cheerleading for the race-replacement of the White American Majority.
Many 9/11 conspiracy theorists may be retards. Some of the 9/11 theories are bizarre. Conspiracy thinking thrives in people who are lost in the modern world. However, that does not mean that the official government explanation is true. The evidence indicates just that. http://www.ae911truth.org/
@ EuroMike
“Many 9/11 conspiracy theorists may be retards. Some of the 9/11 theories are bizarre. Conspiracy thinking thrives in people who are lost in the modern world.”
Fascinating. Why didn’t I think of that? But tell me…what makes you so confident that you yourself have somehow escaped mental retardation?
Jupiter – You will never win an argument with a conspiracy theorist. It’s like arguing with someone over religion.
I think most of these people have their hearts in the right place but unfortunately have their priorities askew. As you have stated, the important thing is saving whites from extinction, not arguing over whether a mulatto was born in Mombasa, Hawaii or Timbuktu, or other such distractions.
History has been loaded with conspiracy theories and the vast majority are bunk. Several years back some crackpot historian wrote a book “proving” Zach Taylor was poisoned by arsenic because of his opposition to the expansion of slavery. They exhumed Old Rough and Ready’s body, and scientists found no arsenic.
Historians in the future will view 9/11 for what it was – a terrorist attack by Muslim fanatics because of a misguided US Mideast policy dictated by AIPAC. A footnote may be added that “some people at the time believed the US government played a role,” just like “some people believed at the time that Jefferson Davis was involved in Lincoln’s assassination.”
SIX PREDICTIONS
The carefully orchestrated “death” of Osama bin Laden is not the end of the Al Qaeda spectacular. It’s the beginning of an exciting new scenario in the same movie.
Fact: the compound in which Osama bin Laden was allegedly “killed” had no garbage collection, no telephones, no computers. Why? Because it was designed for top security and freedom from all possibility of surveillance.
All contact with the outside world was effected by two trusted couriers. Bin Laden was apparently tracked down because one of these two couriers was the weak link in the security chain.
This does not suit America. Not one bit. Why?
Because it is in American interests that damaging new “information” and documents should be found at the scene of the crime. The neocons need a pretext to attack Iran, plunder Libya, and steal more land in Syria and Lebanon. And the pretext for doing these things will therefore have to be found on bin Laden’s two (imaginary) computers.
Sure enough, we now learn that there WERE two computers in bin Laden’s compound and that experts are now carefully trawling through this cache of “top secret secret information.”
All very suspicious.
Expect sensational new revelations. Such as any or all of the following:
I am not for a moment suggesting that ALL SIX of these bizarre propositions are likely to be found on bin Laden’s conveniently discovered computers.
What I am suggesting is that it would in the interests of organized Jewry and their American puppet state if at least 2-3 of these predictions should be realized.
What is needed above all at this time is a pretext for pulverizing and plundering more Islamic countries, if only for this reason: 75 percent of the world’s oil and gas resources are to be found in Islamic countries.
War is the quickest and cheapest solution to bankruptcy. Instead of generating your own wealth, all you need to do is plunder the wealth of the countries you attack.
Miriam K – The Million Dollar question is; Whose AlQaeda? It has been proven that the US, Israel and Russia, all have their own brand of Al-Qaeda. The US gave birth to the Al-Qaeda Phantom, while members of Israeli Al-Qaeda have been captured in Yemen, PA, Iran, India and Pakistan. Russian Al-Qaeda operates in Chechnya and Balkan countries.
“The truth is there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al-Qaeda. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But, there is propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive TV watchers to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US….” Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/whose-al-qaeda/
Miriam:
Except we don’t take any of the oil – we stupidly pay market price for it!
Hey ‘Jason Speaks’, are Jupiter7, Daybreaker and Whites Unite all your sock puppets, or do you just share a room with them at the bath house? You trolls are as transparent as cellophane, but it must be nice to get paid to spam any blog or web page that threatens to expose your tribe’s BS.
People can have different views from your without being a “troll”. This is really sad. TOO needs to get it’s message out beyond the Alex Jones/Rense ghetto. These people aren’t even pro-White, they just get a kick out of conspiracy theories.
@ Miracle Elixir
Live up to your name and get rid of Jason Speaks!
You are absolutely right about his sock puppets— whose only role is to pat him on the back and tell him how they are in total agreement with everything he says. They are his echo chambers.
Whether they are sock puppets, or part of a team of Jews working in unison with him, is a moot point.
I have evidence that TWO entirely different individuals have been using the moniker “Jason Speaks” at different times, possibly a husband and wife team. This is because one of the “Jason Speaks” writes very well, in a professorial style, and makes no typos — whereas the second “Jason Speaks” makes frequent grammatical mistakes as well as typos.
The character known as “Someday” is also a definite troll, but his style of writing is distinctive and sets him apart from Jason Speaks.
Jason Speaks is an obsessive poster, contributing 25-30 percent of ALL posts. On a previous thread of over 450 comments (Darkmoon’s “Our Rachel”), Jason Speaks contributed no fewer than 120 posts!
He is obviously paid to post here full-time.
I also suspect someone who appears to spend an inordinate amount of time posting here and in particular, debunking and ridiculing 9/11 ‘truthers’, like Jason Squeaks, is paid to do so. Evidently Israel has tens of thousands of keyboard warriors like him (her?) trolling the www to prevent the ugly truth about that criminal, swindler state being behind everything.
(Aren’t we all with Mel Gibson on that?)
On one very long 9/11 thread, lasting several years and THOUSANDS of posts, two or three of these maggots must have been full time employees, because they made up over 50% of all comments. They are easy to spot, they get all hot and bothered when they are exposed and very cranky when 9/11 is linked to Jews.
If 9/11 wasn’t an inside job, then we’ve got a new and improved method of bringing down and making skyscrapers fall perfectly into their own footprints: just make a little fire near the TOP of the building. All those expensive demolition experts, and weeks of wiring the building for detonation can now be retired – permanantly.
TT
@ IboTTs … Did you ever study this incident in Beijing, China?
A 44-storey tower (new) that once housed part of the CCTV production operations in Beijing was consumed by fire following a fireworks display. It was a raging inferno caught on camera.
Yet its core support structure survived intact (as its designers might have predicted).
Check out these photos: http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20090216.htm
We know the faggots in New York City and Washington are lying. We must attack their media mouthpieces, and render them bankrupt. That way, the feminized liars will be drowned out by the truth.
You will note the Beijing building had internal steel structural beams, but the World Trade Center Towers had only an exoskeleton, known as a tube frame. Other towers built like it are also vulnerable to collapse with a large breach on an outside wall, and a huge fire.
The Beijing building may have also collapsed had 2 upper floors had their beams taken out by a huge airplane crash. It is a pity they didn’t remote control crash a plane into it, to prove the point.
Total bullsh*t.
The WTC Towers were in fact ‘over designed’ because they were once (for a short spell) the tallest buildings in the world and the designers were ultra-cautious and over-generous with the amount of support steel used because (at the time, 40 years or more ago) they were pioneering a new construction method for very tall buildings.
Therefore, the WTC towers broke new grounds in design and contained a huge central spine of welded girders that were so strong (and flexible) the tops of both towers would sway several feet whenever severe storms swept in from the Atlantic.
Another fact is that both WTC Towers were designed to survive a direct impact from a fully-fueled Boeing 707. These are heavier aircraft than those twin-engined Boeings that are purported to have been swallowed up by each structure (like a car entering a garage).
The Empire State Building once received a direct hit from a USAF bomber in the 1940s. The damned aircraft just bounced off and fell to the ground, leaving nary a scratch on the upper reaches of the Empire State’s structure. Following the impact, the building was temporarily closed for only (about) 3 days!
Says who exactly? Can you provide precise references to technical literature, or scientific papers proving this (otherwise bogus) assertion?
P.S. No “huge fire” took place in WTC-1, WTC-2, and WTC-7.
Not one of these three WTC structures were overly stressed by fire. When combustion emits lots of black (or grey) smoke then the laws of physics and chemistry state that incomplete combustion is taking place, and that the combustion temperatures must therefore be too low to melt anything other than plastic.
Anyone claiming “huge fires” took place on 9/11 is a liar, an ignoramus, or a paid shill.
Those claiming 19 Arabs brought down the WTC Towers (and Building 7 about 8 hours later) after hijacking four passenger airliners using just box-cutters and shouts of Allah Akbar, are complicit in a criminal act of unprecedented magnitude. Knowingly, they are accessories to the murder of about 3,000 innocent people, and will be subjected to the same justice that will sooner or later be administered to those in the USA, England, and Israel known to be responsible for this prime-time act of genocide.
This includes the Death Penalty. You have been warned Scooter.
Anglo Saxon
Yeah, I’m with the 9/11 was an inside job people. There’s no way 3 buildings can fall so perfectly due to planes crashing into them, and not crashing into them – WTC 7. And the structural engineers who designed the twin towers TT, designed them to withstand plane impact – “hitting them from any location”. If someone can show me a video of a skyscraper collapsing into its own footprint at freefall speed, without controlled demolition, then I’ll change my view.
TT
The 9/11 Commission Report, p.541, says: “The interior core of the buildings was a hollow shaft…”
That’s a lie. The TTs had an outside steel column and a central steel column core.
TT
Anglo Saxon, You’re wasting your breath. You’re trying to reason with people who continue to believe in complete opposition to the PHYSICAL and SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that 3 buildings collapsed into their own footprints because of kerosene fires and falling debris. They obviously don’t have the native intelligence to understand the impossibility of that happening.
There is NOTHING you could ever say that would change their minds. These people are either stupid or paid propagandists. There can be no other explanation for their refusal to acknowledge the proven facts of the matter – I said FACTS, NOT hyperbole or fantasy which is ALL the official story is.
For the record, I had the opportunity to tour the construction of Tower 2 way back when it was still a steel and concrete skeleton at the 88th floor.
Scooter’s description of it is a baldfaced LIE. and to show how dumb or shameless he has to be to lie like he did you only have to go online and look at pictures of the towers under construction.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc12consenr.html
As per Anglo Saxon:
“Those claiming 19 Arabs brought down the WTC Towers (and Building 7 about 8 hours later) after hijacking four passenger airliners using just box-cutters and shouts of Allah Akbar, are complicit in a criminal act of unprecedented magnitude. Knowingly, they are accessories to the murder of about 3,000 innocent people, and will be subjected to the same justice that will sooner or later be administered to those in the USA, England, and Israel known to be responsible for this prime-time act of genocide.
This includes the Death Penalty. You have been warned Scooter.”
I guess it is my own fault for trying to talk reason to a fool.
I don’t really have a problem with the fact that some people believe the Twin Towers were demolished by explosives. Some people will never be able to accept the obvious truth that the terrorists did in fact knock them out by crashing planes into them. If you built an identical building in the desert, and crashed a plane into it filled with fuel , and it caught fire, and the building tumbled down just like the Twin Towers, some assholes would still claim it was rigged.
I just don’t like the fact that the enemies of white nationalism can tarnish us as ignorant morons for believing it.
http://femr2.ucoz.com/
Every demo I’ve seen has a massive explosion sequence completely visible and audible – how did they cover that up?
They didn’t – only a mentally impaired imbecile would believe it.
So Anglo Saxon has threatened someone on this board with the Death Penalty. This is for more or less accepting the “official version” of 9-11. I want everyone to reflect on that, most especially the people at TOO. Is this where you want to go? Anglo Saxon told someone the following:
Knowingly, they are accessories to the murder of about 3,000 innocent people, and will be subjected to the same justice that will sooner or later be administered to those in the USA, England, and Israel known to be responsible for this prime-time act of genocide.
This includes the Death Penalty. You have been warned Scooter.
So, those that more or less accept the 9-11 story deserve to be put to death and Anglo Saxon is giving them a warning. Is this legal? Second, this reminds me of Arab discourse more than White people discussing anything. I assume Anglo Saxon meant this would be done in a lawful manner (cutting him a ton of slack here).
Is Anglo Saxon really prepared to slaughter over 150 million Americans because they don’t agree with him? He is already issuing warnings to people on this site. This is not a joke.
Of course, I don’t take him seriously because he has no power, but he did give someone a warning, and can you imagine how Anglo Saxon would act if he DID have some power? Scary thought, that.
Finally, note that these people are not remotely pro-White. Their real passion is NOT for White people. It is for conspiracy theories, for promoting Arabs and Muslim interests, and for hating this group or that group, but for loving and supporting Whites. They endlessly bring up old wounds to sew division among Whites. Either you see it or you don’t. This people are NOT pro-White.
The vast majority of Civil-Structural Engineers and Physicists are not on-board with the nuttiness of the 9/11 truthers. Paul Craig Roberts finds a very small minority of members in these three proessions who hold a crackpot dissident view of the matter and declares victory. The same thing was true when Uri Geller claimed to bend spoons with his mind…Noble Prize Luareate Brian Joesphson-Josephson effect-gave “physics” reasons why Geller was able to pull off this psyhcic feat. But Brian Josephson is know to be an insane man in the physics profession…his acomplishments notwithstanding. This is exactly what the 9/11 truthers put forth as expert technical testimony.
Burning Buildings do in fact fall in a way that mimics controlled demolition. It happens all the time. It is no big secret among structural engineeers. It happened one year after 9/11 after a building caught fire in NYC..it was shown on the news.
9/11 truthers are retards. Alex Jones pushes the 9/11 conspiracy theory sewage because it takes focus off the race-replacing treasonous post-1965 immigration policy.
The easiest way to prevent another terrorist attack is to shut all muslim immigration down to 0 and to kick all the muslims out of America. Alex Jones provides a huge forum for race-replacement enthusiast Jessie Ventura, the squeaky- voice Austrian school enthusiast and race-replacement enthusiast Ron Paul and the former Governor of New Mexico who is a multimilionaire race-replacement enthusiast.
The late Barbara Olson gave a blow-by-blow description of what was happening to her her huband the Solicitor General Ted Olson right up to the last seconds before the jet she was in slammed into the Pentagon. The first witness to seeing the jet slam into the Pentagon was DC fireman who was outide of the Pentagon….despite this, Alex Jones and the nut Paul Craig Roberts maintain-to this day-that there is no evidence that a passenger jet slammed into the Pentagon.
“Burning Buildings do in fact fall in a way that mimics controlled demolition. It happens all the time. It is no big secret among structural engineeers.” Jupiter7
Liar, Propagandist, Hasbarabot, Idiot? …bad speller…
…OR, all of the above. You choose
9/11 truthers+Paul Craig Roberts=a cabal of ‘tards.
Alex Jones is paid handsomely for his role as the angry nutter. Only the obtuse could overlook his lawyer’s connection to the Bronfman dynasty. Having a Jewish wife might also lead to conflicted loyalties.
http://alexjonesexposed.wordpress.com/alex-jones-and-elizabeth-schurig/
What you and your confederates are attempting to do is litter this discussion with insults to put readers off and make them go away. This is standard operating procedure with you people. TOO has a very informed and literate readership. Most here will quickly get wise to you and Jason Squeaks and refuse to read your nonsense.
If the Jews could get away with it, they would make ’9/11 Denial’ a criminal offense like they have made criticism of their ridiculous holocau$t exaggerations a crime in at least 10 Nations of Europe.
They can’t (yet) get away with it, so they have low level stooges like you and Jason Squeaks trolling every discussion thread on the www where posts of the so obvious Israeli involvement in 911 is mentioned doing exactly what you and old Squeaks are doing here.
Floda, I would just plea for more honesty. Take Rehmant for example – he is honest. He is coming at things from an Islamic/Arabic viewpoint, as his site clearly shows. I don’t agree with some of it (especially the anti-White part) but at least I know who is he and what he wants to accomplish.
But with you and Anglo Saxon, “I”, and Arthurdecco, etc., we get the same pro-Islamic, pro-Arab viewpoint, but you give people the impression you are White. So it takes a while to understand where you are coming from. For example, I can now see why you are so upset that White men killed Bin Laden. Once we understand you are actually Arabic and/or sympathetic to Bin Laden, we can more fully process your comments.
A dialogue between Whites and Arabs might be useful, but not if you are going to pretend to be White, while repeating the talking points of the Iranian and Pakistani government ad nauseum.
Osama Bin Laden’s story came to an end after the defeat of the Red Army in Afghanistan at the hands of Afghan Mujaideen. However, his name was kept alive for invasion and exploitation of natural resources in Muslim countries for the benefit of Jewish Mafia and its Christian poodles.
The Osama ‘ghost’ died in 2002 by kidney failure – but Israelis needed the ghost to dismember Muslim countries with the help of its Christian soldiers. Therefore, Obama had to advent his latest lie for his Jewish masters.
The 2011 Holocaust Rememberance Day brought the unexpected “Good News” for the Israeli leaders to dance as they did on 9/11. However, this time the avenue was not New York but in Abbotabad (Pakistan) where, Osama Bin Laden was killed by Ben-Obama’s boys and hurriedly “buried at sea,” reported by Guardian (May 2, 2011). Interesting the only “sea” Pakistan has is the Arabian Sea next to Karachi over 1500 miles away from Abbottabad.
Benji Netanyahu’s office danced and called the killing of OBL, “a resounding victory for justice, freedom, and the values shared by all democratic countries fighting shoulder to shoulder against terror.” Millions of people around the world wonder if the Israeli Jews really know the meanings of ‘justice and freedom’…….
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/holocaust-obl-and-the-dancing-israelis/
Not to forget the Israeli “movers”, celebrating the destruction of the WTC. These people just love dancing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X63CQ-dXkwU
Missing Linksmakes the case for the repeated perfidy of Israel. The trend is your friend.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7877765982288566190#
Trenchant,
You’re right about the fun loving Israelis enjoying a dance. Not only were the Mossad squad on the roof on 9/11 dancing and high fiveing, can you imagine (Lucky) Larry Silverstein? He and his must have spent that whole day celebrating and dancing around the Golden Calf, because he had insured the entire WTC for $7.2 BILLION just weeks earlier! No wonder they call him ‘Lucky’. He always spends the morning in his office and on 9/11 both he and his DAUGHTER had medical appointments, well away from the WTC.
Golly, TWO PLANES hit TWO Buildings and Larry’s newly acquired (and insured) WTC Complex of SEVEN BUILDINGS get destroyed. Talk about lucky! The INK on his insurance policies had hardly dried and KABOOM!
Thank goodness for Jewish physics, eh Larry?
Thank you for the link, Trenchant. Fascinating video
Kevin’s title says it all for me. After my wife informed after 9pmPDT Sunday night I have made a point of avoiding all news sites. She’s Jewish but was disgusted at the morons dancing in the streets. And the killing.
Predictably the DUMB RIGHT is hailing this which tells why you Obama will be reelected.
At times like this sometimes the Far Left sites like Counterpunch make for good dissent. They are worse
than terrible on race but once in a while they have a good take on the Zionist Pax Americana. They are consistently critical of Israel and US support for same.
The editor, Alex Cockburn, lives in a small far northern hamlet where the nearest blacks are at Pelican Bay maximum security prison or Portland, Oregon.
Must be nice ! I could fake pro-blackness too if I never lived around them.
This was a brilliant and gutsy move by our President. In as much as our Zionist Media Moguls have convinced the American people that Bin Laden is evil incarnate, this was a great way to get his bona fide’s and pump up the old approval ratings.
But, what does it accomplish? It ratchets up the level of distrust and hatred of the U.S. in the Muslim World. That will please Israel as it will help to bring us closer together as the two most reviled countries in the world.
Michael Hardesty
Alexander Cockburn lives as far as he can in rural White America away from the darkies. What he and I both know is this:if he was dropped into downtown Hempstead NY or Newark NJ on a hot and humid August night, he would be slaughtered within three minutes by the blacks and the m-13 gangbangers.
The White Teenagers dancing in front of the White House a few days ago wouldn’t be as enthusasitic for perpetual war if there was a military draft.
I can’t say I don’t enjoy the thought of bin Laden being dead, but I’m cringing at the thought of hearing about it constantly throughout the 2012 election. It’s sure to be one of the emotional talking points for Obama and the Dems. And emotions, I’m sorry to say, are what determine elections.
Had Bush been close to half competent and unwilling to postpone the capture of bin Laden until he could expand the “war on terror” to Iraq, this moment certainly would’ve come five or six years ago.
Some say this killing demonstrates to terrorists that we’ll get you no matter how long it takes or how much it costs. Tens of billions of dollars, thousands of American lives and a full decade of military commitment – if I were a terrorist, I’d be ENCOURAGED by that.
Bin Laden won, or at least, he didn’t lose.
He’s now a “shaheed” and can’t be killed again. Watch for enterprising Muslims to begin selling T-shirts, posters and souvenirs with bin Laden’s picture on them. (Probably made possible with money from “smart” Jewish investors.)
Dr. MacDonald:
Thanks for posting Ode To A Dying People, by Saga. Here are the lyrics.
Ode To A Dying People
By Saga
Eyes shining bright with unspilt tears,
Thinking about all those wasted years.
When everything worth living for is gone,
And brother, I find it hard to keep fighting on.
Falling down towards the abyss, the abyss
The reaper embraces me with his kiss;
It makes me want to refuse to care, refuse to care
To watch this all unfold – too much to bear.
If this is the way it ends – If this is the way my race ends…
If this is the way it ends – I can’t bear to witness
If this is the way it ends – If this is the way my race ends…
If this is the way it ends – I can’t bear to witness
Disease encroaching on all I hold dear,
Somehow I gotta get my soul outta here.
Heart of agony, faint burning hope,
I’m finding it hard to try to cope…
Because liars own the world with conquering poise, with conquering poise
A wasteland of meaningless noise;
We don’t stand a chance with a dormant pride, with a dormant pride
The heroes of our race have already died…
If this is the way it ends – if this is the way my race ends…
If this is the way it ends – I can’t bear to witness…
If this is the way it ends – if this is the way my race ends…
If this is the way it ends – I can’t bear to witness…
To imagine it has all come down to this,
Apathy and suicidal bliss…
It’s all over except for the cryin’,
With a whimper instead of the roar of a lion…
The greatest race to ever walk the earth, walk the earth
Dying a slow death with insane mirth,
The tomb has been prepared, our race betrayed, our race betrayed
White man, fight the flight towards the grave…
If this is the way it ends – if this is the way my race ends…
If this is the way it ends – I can’t bear to witness…
If this is the way it ends – if this is the way my race ends…
If this is the way it ends – I can’t bear to witness…
Don’t let it end this way,
Don’t let it end this way,
Don’t let it end this way, I can’t bear to witness…
Don’t let it end this way,
Don’t let it end this way,
Don’t let it end this way, I can’t bear to witness…
If this is the way it ends – if this is the way my race ends…
If this is the way it ends – I can’t bear to witness…
If this is the way it ends – if this is the way my race ends…
If this is the way it ends – I can’t bear to witness…
****************************************************
White man, this is the way it’s going to be unless we have the stomach to do what’s necessary to cleanse the Whitelands. There are 54,000,000 Muslims in Europe. There are many other non-whites including mixed-race people. We need to make all of them north of the equator disappear. That’s just for starters.
Instaed of singing dramatically “if this is the way it ends” this (beautiful) girl could do her own part in trying to prevent what she fears,which is: marrying a nice white guy and having a lot of children.Simple as that.Nobody can forbid her that.And that nice white guy she marries should show some courage in joining a political party that advocates the stopping of non-White immgration into white lands and their remigration.Not simple but doable if only more people join in.Stop this discouraging “lyrics” and start doing something!
First, I’m not up for making people “disappear,” and not interested to debate or discuss it.
Second, thanks to providing the lyrics for this direct and powerful song.
Third, my real point: we should learn from this song that it’s all right to be emotional and committed to White racial survival.
The end of the race is something no member of the race can be “above”. To be “cool” about it, to be ironic, detached, uncommitted, is to be phony and petty.
I usually try to read the comments when I rean an article, but I hope you will forgive me in this case.
I am happy to see Kevin not falling in the propaganda trap. I am of those who believe that Osama has been dead for a while. So all this is trickery to boost Obama’s ratings.
Did anyone read Lyndon Larouche comments on Obama lately. He is inferring that Obama is having a psycho narcissistic meltdown and he is pushing to have him remove of office for mental incapacitation. That would be entertaining.
In the same breath, he talks about a fit of rage Obama had in san francisco because some gay activists were insulting him about the torture inflicted to the soldier wiki-leaker.
I just thought it was incredible that gays and lesbians were absolutly silent when Obama reinvented torture by calling it enhanced interrogation technics (EIT), all the fags thought it was cleaver, until one of their own gets a bit of the psycho war treatment. So this is again a case of the double standards, torture is fine if it is only applied to heterosexual individuals, then it is very ethical.
That is also why you only had a bunch of fags and jews celebrating in the streets about Osama’s death, its because for the fags, war against islam is war against heterosexual extremism. Thi is also why I do not take anti-al quaeda, anti-muslim chauvinism as a measure stick of patriotism.
By the way, did anybody asked the president if someone would get the 50 million dollar reward for ben laden’s death. I mean, for 50 million dollars, many people would put quite a fakery to pretend they killed someone who is already dead. Did some special unit soldiers split the money with a pseudo-informant, who just happens to be a Jew. Did the President get part of the 50 million dollar because it happened under his watch.
The sure thing is all this is a hoax to boost the moral of Obama and his ratings. And as usual, it stinks of corruption.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9494
To Anglo Saxon,
The caricature os quite funny, in fact, BozObama. But I am not sure you are telling me the joke is on us. but worst, the site you point to is called Canada Free Press, nothing of the sort exists in canada unless you walk with something up where the sun ain’t suppose to shine, to speak in anglo saxon imagery…
Ha-ha-ha … how right you are Denys.
It did strike me as odd to find a site calling itself “Canada ‘Free’ Press”.
The caricature’s side reference to the teleprompter is what clinched it for me.
Our Western understanding of rule of law appears to be a thing of our past when a president can declare an extra-judicial killing, “justice”, and Americans are “relieved”.
Jason speaks is a Jew.
Thanks Facio Libre. You can at least be counted amongst those TOO visitors who possess a higher perceptive capacity (i.e., a radar that works!).
Jason Speaks (or Jason Shrieks, as I prefer to call this pathetic little pussy) has been attempting to dominate and steer opinion on this website since January 2011 (perhaps since a bit earlier).
He is the product of some very sick genes, which will likely die out before 3 more generations.
The bigger mystery is why the owner of this website, and the (often immature) Moderators, continue to tolerate such flagrant pollution, and Jason Shrieks’ opaque attempts to lure occasional website visitors into betraying their own logic and people.
So with regard to the noisy little group that includes Anglo Saxon (who warned a fellow member on this site he deserved the death penalty for not believing in the so-called truther theories), I think a fundamental question has to be asked:
Are these people Pro-White or Pro-Arab/Muslim? Are they even White to begin with? All of their passion, values and anger mirror that of the Arab world, not the White world. They become infuriated when their sacred Arabs are accused of any crime. They are furious that anyone thinks Arabs played a role in 9-11. They endlessly find ways to absolve Arabs of any malfeasance, usually creating a conspiracy theory that puts the blame on Whites. See how depressed they are by the idea that Bin Laden was killed … an Arab killed by White men! It’s as if a brother of theirs was gunned down. There dear brother was murdered, they cry!
The type of conspiracies they subscribe to are reminiscent of those popular in the Middle East. And they immediately call anyone they disagree with a Jew or a Zionist. Is this not a sign of the Arab mentality?
I would submit many of these people are not White at all and have no interest in supporting Whites.
By the way, I am not including those that continue to question the official 9-11 story or any other official story in a serious way, especially from a pro-White perspective. There is a difference.
You can sputter, spook and lie all you want, Squeaky – it’s not going to change the fact that you’ve been outed by the majority of the thinking contributors to this web-site. You’re either a paid propagandist for all things Jewish OR you’re an idiot.
Which is it? Whore or Hasbarabot? Hmmmmmm…..
@ Jason Speaks
I too could make a living if the government paid me for saying 2 + 2 = 5.
I guess there are thousands of unemployed people, or retired folk, who can be roped in to government programs (or Zionist hasbara programs) which pay them for going online and spouting the official version of 9-11 — also for enforcing political correctness on the Holocaust and the Protocols and so on.
I guess people like you are paid by our social engineers to promote ideological conformity…and discourage dissidence of any kind.
I find it hard to believe that anyone can be a paragon of such political correctness as yourself. All your opinions, without exception, are stamped with the same seal: APPROVED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
Which is of of course synonymous with: APPROVED BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT
How much do they pay you?
Isn’t it awful to think that ALL the contents of your mind — without exception — are officially approved opinions?
The only “conspiracy theory” is the official narrative of 9/11. It is PHYSICALLY impossible.
THREE towers fell down due TWO towers being hit by planes?
THREE towers fall into their own footstep?
THREE towers fall at free-fall speed (g = 9.8m/s)?
The strongest Air Force in the history of the world doesn’t scramble and stop FOUR airplanes over the course of more than an hour (recall golfer Payne Stewart flew off course and was bogeyed within one minute)?
A group of Muslims with boxcutters takes out the financial and military strongholds of the USA, the strongest military power ever to exist?
We find a hijacker’s passport, intact, among the rubble?
Within minutes, we have the hijackers all named and we know it’s Osama bin Laden at the forefront?
After the greatest crime of US history, all the evidence is sent off as scrap metal to China, no investigation allowed?
All of the steel girders are “cut” at 45 degree angles, a hallmark of controlled demolition?
THREE towers fell– why did WTC #7 fall when no plane hit it?
On 9/10, Rumsfeld gives a press conference about the Pentagon “losing” trillions of dollars, many of those records were kept in WTC #7.
Has anyone here ever watched a controlled demolition (besides the THREE that occurred on 9/11)?
How did a plane breach the air defenses of the Pentagon?
Why did the USA release an obviously and admittedly fake video of bin Laden, where the actor had a chubbier face, different bone structure, and wasn’t even a good look-alike?
Why did Benazhir Butto say bin Laden had been dead for years and why was she then assassinated within days?
Why did so many medical experts say that a man like bin Laden, with kidney problems and needing dialysis, could not possibly go on living for another decade, let alone while running away from the most powerful military in the history of the world?
Why did Obama release his (quite obviously photoshopped) birth certificate after YEARS and MILLIONS of dollars to withhold it?
Why did Obama release his photoshopped birth certificate in the same week that he announced his campaign for reelection?
Why did Obama announce that he killed bin Laden within the same week as the fake birth certificate and campaign announcement?
Why didn’t the USA question bin Laden, the alleged world mastermind?
Why did the USA immediately dump the physical evidence (body) of bin Laden in the nearest ocean?
Why won’t the USA release photos, why is the USA concerned about Muslim feelings after Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Gitmo, and millions of dead Arabs from all of the warfare of the past decade?
WAKE UP WHITE MAN. The truth is right in your FACE. “They” are barely even trying!!!
Well Arthurdecco, Miriam and Anglo Saxon … you also accept the government’s official view of things. The Iranian governments official view. Or is it the Pakistani? Or is Al Qaeda considered a government?
Let’s see if I can make your Islamic blood boil. I wish they had taken that dead boy Bin Laden and wrapped his corpse in bacon! Ohhhh how it must burn your eyes to read that line! Imagine your dear leader writhing in Hell forever, stuck in a bacon suit. And who knows what those White Men you despise so much did to his body before disposing of it. I’m sure they let some dog relieve himself on Bin Laden’s face before wrapping him inside a pig’s body.
Hope I didn’t earn a fatwa from Anglo Saxon. Have a nice day!
Before dealing him the côup de grace, the military should have interrogated “Bin Laden” on the technique used to convert kerosene into a combustible so powerful car engine blocks were fused 1 mile away from the WTC explosions, a “heat” so intense no paper was burnt, and upholstery left unsinged. Popular Mechanics could have sat in and learned something useful.
Trenchant, you’re saying that some sort of Tesla death ray was used?
As far as Alex Jones:
He is a release valve, a Kosher pied piper. 90% of what he says is true and he has value for that. But the one thing he won’t say is “JEW.” He will say Freemason, Rosicrucian, Baalist, Satanist, Banksters, Bilderbergers, etc…but never Jew.
He’s a way to channel righteous rage AWAY from where it should be headed: towards exposing Jewish treachery.
Here’s what you should know about Alex, besides the fact that his wife is Jewish and his network and sponsors are Jewish:
He said that HOLLYWOOD is controlled by ARABS. Look it up! Case closed.
I don’t know what technology was used. Nor does anyone, from what I can tell. Thermite seems like a dead-end to me, as the effects were non-uniform across different materials, in a way not explicable by fire. I’m suspicious that thermite/thermate seems to have become the acceptable theory pushed by well-credentialed academics like Steven Jones. My belief is that the military technique used was a lesson to the USA’s enemies, just as the atomic bomb was a message to Stalin, and not to the Japanese. Please continue to purchase our T-Bonds!
Look for yourself at the damage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqChg5CCBdY
I don’t even think he’ll say “Zionist”.
He’s definitely controlled opposition. I also think he’s not only there to lead people away from criticizing Jews, but also to make 9/11 Truth and criticism of the elite more generally look stupid. He generally comes across as a buffoon. Look at how “Jason Speaks” mentions Alex Jones in practically every post. Obvious AJ is the kind of person you don’t want on your side.
Fact is they will no doubt release these “death pictures” next Oct 2012
It is ALL political jewish theatre for their step and fetch houseboys “re-election”
To Michael Hardesty:
How does your wife cope with your holocaust denial? I know of someone in a similar situation. The denier won his Jewish wife over by dint of logic. I don’t think it’s discussed with their Jewish friends for obvious reasons.
I think you are posting under the wrong person here.
I have no idea what you are talking about
@Cultural Snooze Button Re: “I’m just wondering where white unity will come from in the present day? …. Have whites suffered enough at the hands of tribe policy to mount a comeback?”
Not with sloppy language like this. It is WE, not “whites”! It is US, not “whites”! Imagine a player on the Yankees saying, “The Yankees need to play better”. Make it personal.
Good music video from Ministry, Trenchant, for your side. It is anti-White (constantly showing White men as the bad guys) and exculpates Arabs and Islam. Again, a good piece of propaganda, I assume put out by sympathizers of Bin Laden. We get it: White men bad, Arabs good.
@PeteH You truly are a moron. I guess I forgot to read the rulebook on First person being absolutely necessary in this subjective online format. Nevermind that third person adds clarity and dimension for the site’s readership. But I forgot, you remove comments you don’t agree with and subsequently blame the deletion on “grammar infractions.” Way to silence sincere debate! But get a load of this genius, I’m so sorry I utilized the prose of a professional historian when choosing to write in 3rd person. How elite of me to write in a professional manner when simpletons like yourself are in the audience. Pitty me, I shall not make the same mistake twice! Whatever LMAO No wonder so many people are bitching about this site and its operators. I come here for sincere debate and to be with my own kind and all I get is some dumbass on a power trip trying to “be the man.” Now I’m starting to see what Anglo-Saxon was talking about.
Osama bin Laden has been dead for years!
Top insider Steve Pieczenik’ spills the beans on the Alex Jones show!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8pgcbbjD4c
Steve Pieczenik’s big shot biography can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik
http://www.iamanenglishman.com/rogues_gallery.php
Anyone who has followed this post, but hasn’t investigated the events at the WTC on 9/11 from a skeptical perspective should look at one video: David Chandler’s analysis of the North Tower exploding available on youtube (“WTC North Tower exploding”). The video is a corner-on view of the “collapse” of the North Tower. It is evident that timed explosions are proceeding down the building. I assume those who designed this demolition event expected the debris cloud to occlude the successive explosions – however the serendipitous placement of the camera corner-on allowed the camera to see some of what was going on behind the debris cloud. The video speaks for itself.
I just don’t understand the Truthers. Who cares if it was an Inside Job? I personally have read both sides of the story, and I am pretty much convinced that Islamic dudes got on a plane with the intention of flying it into WTC. Did an organization like Mossad know about it beforehand? That’s possible, after all, they could only stand to benefit. Was there a big conspiracy involving a shadowy government group that orchestrated the whole thing? No way. But in the end, it doesn’t matter, you know why? Because nobody cares.
You want to know why you keep dwelling on this issue? It’s because you’re a loser who is trying to find an outlet. The Truthers are all losers in my opinion polluting worthwhile causes, and they need to go away. The White movement is done a great disservice by all the people on this forum promoting this same old tired cause.
Well, then who cares if it was Osama? If “nobody cares”, then how are truthers “polluting worthwhile causes”? It seems like who did it might be slightly relevant.
I think, underlying the debate among 9/11 and other issues among pro-Whites, is that there are two basic schools of thought about how bad the current situation is, with one school of thought thinking the situation is orders of magnitude worse than the other school of thought.
To me, it’s pretty clear that if the elites can wage a genocidal campaign against the White race, then they can blow up some buildings in Manhattan and crash something into an empty portion of the Pentagon. I don’t see any comparison as to which one of these requires a greater “conspiracy”. It’s obvious from looking at the evidence that Whites are being race-replaced in the US, and it’s obvious that Osama bin Laden was not responsible for 9/11. What makes it possible for the elites to get away with these kinds of things is control over the mass media. As long as the mass media keeps lying with a straight face, most people will not believe any amount of proof. Humans are fundamentally herd animals.
I guess other people don’t see the situation as being nearly that bad. We’ve got a few liberals in charge, and all we need is a Tea Party or whatever to get some right-thinking conservatives back in power and clean the mess up. That or the system will break down by itself any minute now, and the people will instantly wake up and Pacific Northwest will just effortlessly secede with only minimal resistance. Seems like people who think along these lines tend to buy the 9/11 official story.
To me, it’s pretty clear that if the elites can wage a genocidal campaign against the White race, then they can blow up some buildings in Manhattan and crash something into an empty portion of the Pentagon
I think there is a difference between those two events. There is certainly a diminishment and replacement of Whites going on in every White country in the world. And by some definitions, this can be called a type of genocide. However, it is not an attack being done in secret. The Democrat party openly gloats that soon they will have a lock on the White House due to demographic changes. Republicans tempt Whites with Mexican cheap labor to mow their lawns. Every major university pushes “diversity” like a drug dealer pushing crack. Every child’s education begins with the celebration of diversity and the evil of Whites.
So, it isn’t a secret conspiracy in that sense, in fact it is pretty open. The glories of open immigration have been celebrated all my life. We have all known for 40 years that the elites were trying bring in more non-Whites and most of them openly talk about it.
So this is not the kind of genocide where White people are grabbed in the middle of the night and secretly put into extermination chambers. It is replacement and diminishmment that has been going on for generations in broad daylight and openly acknowledged.
If we discovered that White children were being secretly taken off to death camps in America, that would be a closer analogy to some of the so-called Truther theories. The sad truth is, most of what has happened to Whites in America and Europe was done quite openly and often with the assistance of Whites.
So, the situation really is more dire than the Tea Party types allow themselves to believe. But we are not battling supernatural omnipotence either. The main problem with Whites is not getting them to believe in some “conspiracy theory”, it is getting them to accept what anti-White people say outloud everyday.
Segueing from Dave’s comment, Jack White has some good shots and comments about the (often neglected) demolition of WTC6 in his photoanalysis:
http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies109.htm
That’s partially true, but I don’t think most Whites get that immigration policy has been deliberately crafted to ethnically displace Whites. It’s usually just presented as some inexorable trend. In any case, the elites have gotten away with it and faced almost no significant opposition in the process. So they’re that powerful, but they can’t blow up the WTC and hit the empty portion of the Pentagon and pin it on Arabs? If they can keep pro-White opinions out of the mass media, then they can keep the truth about 9/11 out of the mass media, no matter how obvious it is.
First of all, there is no Objective Truth that matters, once you get that out of your head, the better off you’ll be. Even if you had incontrivertible evidence that 9/11 was an Inside Job, it wouldn’t matter, because the media and government would work in collusion to suppress your findings, either because they viewed you as dangerous or simply because they didn’t believe you. One thing is sure, it would upset the status quo far too much to be taken seriously. Trillions of dollars and two wars later, far too many people have invested themselves into the 9/11 narrative. So get it out of your head, because 9/11 doesn’t matter.
The only way 9/11 would matter again is if there was a regime change and they could stand to benefit from making the populace believe it was actually an Inside Job, even if they had evidence that it wasn’t. Power creates the truth, and don’t forget it.
A lot of Whites here still attach themselves to these abstract ideals, like truth and justice, that have been discarded by your enemies long ago. The only time it’s useful for your enemies is when they have you believe in these values while they rob you blind. You’ll say, “Well, that’s what makes me White. I’m not going to give up my values.” Sorry, but that’s the suckers answer. The quest for power is a brutal one, the Jews know this. It’s time you learned it yourself.
You know, Rashard Mendenhall. the black football player, should become a regular poster here. He defends Bin Laden, he attacks those that celebrate Osama’s death, and he doubts the official 9-11 story. Oh and he isn’t pro-White at all. Yes, he’d fit right in with a certain contingent here.
http://www.metro.us/newyork/comment/article/849987–athletes-say-the-dumbest-things
@ Jason Speaks
Squeaker, you excel yourself! I only hope dear Floda didn’t blow a fuse. You are worth every dollar your Zionist employers pay you. There is obviously an art to Trollship, an art you have mastered to perfection.
A couple of points, however:
(1) While there is no way you can deceive the intelligent and well-informed poster, you probably do succeed in deceiving the stupid and ill-informed poster. However, if he is stupid and ill-informed to start with, then he has probably bought the government line anyway. So he doesn’t need extra persuasion from you to believe what he already believes.
(2) Though you cannot persuade Anglo Saxon, arthurdecco, Floda and other 9-11 Truthers to believe in your claptrap, you can, and obviously do, succeed in winding them up and wasting an enormous amount of their time and energy in arguing the toss with you.
Distractions and diversions, energy depletion, the sowing of doubts, confusion, intimidation, ridicule, the repitition of the same lies ad nauseam: these are the things you do.
I happen to know a woman whose husband was sent to prison for multiple rapes. Six women testified it was him in court. He had sent them letters in his own handwriting. His voice had been recorded telephoning one of them just before her rape. The DNA evidence against him was irrrefutable.
I asked his wife recently how she was getting on, and if her divorce from her rapist husband had come through.
She looked at me with astonishment. “But we aren’t getting divorced,” she said. “He is innocent.”
I asked her how she knew that.
“Because he told me,” she said. “Repeatedly he has assured me of his innocence. How can he be lying to me if he keeps telling me with tears in his eyes that he is innocent?”
I do believe the world is full of people like that: they believe what they told, provided the Lie is repeated often enough with some semblance of passionate sincerity.
Miriam, I simply don’t know what to make of you. Some of the idiots here don’t even know that you’re a Jewish woman (or so you say). On one hand you have demonstrated your hatred of Whites, your desire to turn us into slaves, and to censor any sort of talk critical of Jews. On the other hand, you’re critical of Jews and have admitted that you are perhaps a self-hating Jew. Do you have some kind of psychiatric disorder? I am curious. Perhaps you are really a self-hating Jew trying to egg us on with all your talk of enslavement or perhaps you just enjoy the taboo thrill of criticizing your own “tribe” online. Who knows.
Laughably enough, I agree with your points when you are not calling for the destruction of the White race. This 9/11 talk seems to be an unfortunate by-product of people who also happen to advocate for White interests, along with other half-baked conspiracy theories. As I have mentioned above in other posts, these issues deflect from what really matters. Even if any of these conspiracies are “true” it doesn’t matter, because we have enough PR problems just trying to get people to believe that Whites have any ethnic interest at all. Why add all these other issues to the platter when they will make it that much harder for us to get our main point across? I just shake my head at this nonsense.
Well, I get an F for reading comprehension. You’re a Truther too. Go figure.
@ John
You have failed to understand me. I will be level with you. “Miriam K” is a persona and not my real name. Half my comments under this persona are sincerely held beliefs. The other half are insincere, satirical and tongue-in-cheek comments that you would be unwise to take seriously. It’s as simple as that. What you need, dear John, is a more efficient irony detector.
Let’s play a game of “Jewdar”
The recent Bin Laden thread on majorityrights has some of the same posters here, notice a similar “blow up” by an anti-truther:
I’m a WASP, Christian, and have no ties to Muslims or Arabs of any kind. Yet because I don’t believe the Official Conspiracy Theory, many of these anti-truthers assume I must be a Muslim, or a Muslim sympathizer.
Do these anti-Muslim fantasies about wrapping bodies in bacon sound like they came from the mind of a WASP, or a Catholic? Or does all this silliness about pork come from those Middle Eastern religions currently fighting each other?
Paul Craig Roberts isn’t even really a truther, he’s merely hinted at things, but that’s enough to have posters like Jupiter7 smearing him with lies all over the pro-white blogosphere, claiming he’s turned pro-race replacement (he hasn’t).
The anti-911 truth campaign is coordinated, it’s quite nasty, and many involved are getting more and more hysterical. The reason is because the *majority* of Americans do not buy the Official Conspiracy theory, and since the Bush admin is out of office, more and more have been speaking out.
I’m guessing a lot of these folks post from Tel Aviv.
Rich Pearson said, “I’m guessing a lot of these folks post from Tel Aviv.”
…or Manhattan and Brooklyn or maybe even LA
But one things for sure – they’re posting. and posting. and posting – Lies, more LIES and even MORE LIES!
(and don’t they look simple-minded doing it? heh heh)
Jupiter 7, you are right on about Alex Cockburn, he’s an old Stalinist hypocrite, good on Israel but not much else.
Trenchant, my wife and I agree not to discuss holocaust revisionism, it’s too emotional for her.
Also I never use THEIR term, “denial,” I use revisionist.
Boudicca made a reference to http://www.refugeeresettlement watch.wordpress.com
A great blog with information about the “legal” immigration programs of the US government using billions in taxpayers money. Government contractors are using tax money of US citizens to bring foreigners to the US. But the cost to taxpayers doesn’t end there as “refugees” are then dumped on the doorstep of the local tax base. Most of these immigrants/refugees remain dependent on welfare, food stamps, subsidized (free) public housing, free (tax funded) medical care, and education from preschool to graduate school. These “refugees” are not grateful for all the free handouts but hate Americans and form hostile, crime filled foreign-speaking enclaves.
Today is the last day to email or fax a comment on the US state dept. refugee program.
Email address and fax number are at the link here:
http://forefugees.com/2011/05/04/5266/
http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/deadline-today-for-comments-on-number-of-refugees-for-fy2012/
To Athanius:
There are those in Washington and Tel Aviv who know what produced this effect. I don’t.
http://is.gd/pfPgHK
To Michael Hardesty:
Thanks for your answer (I find it quite fascinating to learn about Jewish/Gentile unions).
Actually I owe my awakening about race and the Jewish question to you, albeit in an oblique way. I’d read your commment on holocaust revisionism on one of my favourite sites. I found it quite provocative on first reading, and mulled over it for several days. When I returned to view it, it had vanished. Something quite rare for this site. My curiosity was instantly aroused – what sort of suasion was used to make the comment disappear without acknowledgment?
And the rest, as they say…
They say Bin Laden is sleeping with the fishes.
Wrong!
Bin Laden is in Paradise: 70 or so virgins (YUMMY….), rivers of milk, creeks of honey and sweet dates falling in his lap.
Not bad …….
Thank you, Trenchant, for your kind and perceptive comments.
It was a Jewish friend forty one years who first alerted me to the problems with the standard story, I think the term
‘holocaust’ was just coming into use then.
Funny, I’ve had more problems with rightist websites on posting holocaust revisionism than I had with the leftist
In These Times website where I regularly published from 2004 to 2007. I only stopped there because I got bored of repeating myself over again to the small clique of true believers. But I was never censored there.
My wife has moved to the Right on race, guns, welfare, affirmative action, taxes and related issues in the past 14 years of living as white homeowners in what was originally a black area. And she’s no supporter of Zionism or Israel.
But on Che, Ho, Mao, Stalin, et al, forget it !
Except she does deplore Pol Pot, murdering half the country’s population of six million, is unique enough to even incur Commie displeasure.
I can’t bring up their hundreds of millions of victims (except Pol Pot) any more than we can discuss holocaust revisionism.
She comes from an old CPUSA background from both parents.
Early indoctrination dies hard.
She likes a lot of American Renaissance stuff and much of
the JBS stuff from The New American.
She used to like The American Conservative on some issues but I stopped reading them after getting censored way too many times and not just on revisionist issues.
Even on so-called ‘gay’ issues. There’s some of kind of
queer PC going on there (pun intended.)
I just finished my 21st reading of Atlas Shrugged over exactly half a century and we can’t discuss Ayn Rand either. I knew Ayn and Frank a bit in NYC.
So we’ve come to a live and let live policy which works ok for the most part.
My best to you again and thanks for your intellectual contributions here.
The proper venue for judging the authenticity of evidence is the court. Obama acted as judge, jury and executioner, ignoring the principles of American justice and international justice.
There is no evidence that Osama bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11, but Obama avoided having to present any evidence by murdering Osama. Dead men don’t talk, but they work very well to create the verisimilitude needed to prop up the preposterous tale of 9/11.
Saddam’s connection to 911 was that his invasion caused the US to move troops into Saudi Arabia which freaked out Osama and caused him to attack the US.
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“You are telling me that the same people that pulled off the 9-11 con job and this whole Bin Laden con job, couldn’t plant a few WMDs?” – J. Squeaks
Please enlighten us on Saddam’s connection to 911.
Saddam had no connection to 9-11 and everyone in the whole Freakin’ world knew that you Muslim-worshipper. You anti-White people just won’t stop. Every conservative knew Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11 … they all knew it. They simply wanted an assertion of American power after 9-11 and they thought the war would be fought in a much more vicious manner than it was … they were hoping it would be fast and we would get something out of it.
But Bush p*ssied out and fought a limp wristed war and didn’t grab any of the rightful spoils of war (oil). But none of that has a damn thing to do with 9-11 and never did. God you Islamists are annoying.
“Since the Pentagon has hundreds of bases all over the world, couldn’t they have cooked up some chemical and/or biological weapons somewhere for the troops to find? If they masterminded all of 9-11, the towers coming down, the planes in the sky, the plane hitting the pentagon … and now 10 years later they fake the killing of Bin Laden …” – J. Squeaks.
You really are quite dense.
A 9-11 con, if proven, could result in the application of judicial/extra-judicial justice for its principle players. 3500 innocent Americans killed in the cause of perpetual war for Israel’s safety and Jewish markets. At minimum, each and every victim’s family member would be a potential “terrorist,” by U.S. government standards. Failure by the Bush/Obama administrations to find WMDs in Iraq, on the other hand, merely resulted in short-lived political embarrassment as you’ve indicated. There is a world of difference between the two.
That makes no sense and you know it. You know damned well that if a group of people were capable of pulling off the murder of 3,000+ of their fellow citizens, with all the attendant coverups that would be necessary, they could most certainly plant a few WMDs. Jesus H Christ, grow up. You don’t even believe in the 9-11 Truther stories and you know you don’t. Hell, I don’t think anyone does. You know full well you don’t believe any of it.
It’s just a cool ghost story for a bunch of half drunk guys to tell each other while pretending they “really understand how the world works”. It’s an urban legend and it’s fun to play with, kind of like an episode of the X files or Art Bell.
And it doesn’t have a Godd*mn thing to do with promoting White Advocacy.
The Inability of the Bush administration to protect their political hindquarters by faking WMDs is a very telling indication of real limitations on the governing elite. Hollywood is responsible for people believing the government is capable of all kinds of black ops utilizing secret (virtually sci-fi) technology. All this was gone into on the 9/11 threads.
The truthers are generally people with mental problems such as Schizotypal personality disorder who believe in WTC demolition in the same way that others might believe in UFO’s. It’s a waste of time talking to them – or reading them.
Someday says:
Who said that the Bush administration did 911? Israel did it. If “Al Qaeda” was able to “conspire” to do 911, than surely Mossad was capable of doing so.
This is the first time I’ve heard the excuse “since they didn’t do this, they couldn’t have done that.”
“It’s a waste of time talking to them”
It’s surely a waste of time talking to Israel apologists.
The idea that Mossad could do a false flag 911 without the assistance of US government agencies is totally absurd, but let us take it seriously for the purposes of argument.
Mossad with or without the CIA would have abundant motivation to fake WMDs in Iraqi (failure to find then meant the neocons lost considerable influence) and since they didn’t do this it is logical – not an “excuse” – to conclude that Mossad couldn’t have pulled off the immeasurable more difficult feat of a 911 false flag.
Good luck with your mental problems.
<blockquoteThe idea that Mossad could do a false flag 911 without the assistance of US government agencies is totally absurd
It’s absurd to believe that Mossad could not have pulled off 911, but “Al Qaeda” could. Did Al Qaeda need to assistance of US government agencies? Then why would Mossad?
Even the 911 Commissioners say there was a cover up. You can argue over this theory or that, but it’s clear there are some who don’t want Israeli complicity discussed. There’s a lot of attempt to try to mark Israeli complicity as “out of bounds” but just calling people names isn’t going to do it.
Al Qaeda could do it without assistance from US government agencies because it was just doing one thing – the crime. There is no symmetry between that and Mossad faking an Al Qaeda 9/11. Actually committing a serious crime is child’s play compared to committing the crime and framing someone else for it. (I know that people think that happens; but that impression actually stems from absorbing the plots of escapist mass entertainment)
A false flag 9/11 or one in which the the Israelis possessed the hyper advanced (virtually sci fi) technology required and used it to make sure Al Qaeda would succeed in demolishing the WTC towers would be orders of magnitude more difficult to pull of than the official received version.
by Kevin Barrett PhD
“Full fathom five Bin Laden lies”
(According to our leaders’ lies?)
They shot him – unarmed – in the head,
Hoping to silence what he’d said
So clearly: He deplored
The Zionist strikes on New York
And Washington. And so his dead
Body to the fishes fed,
Osama’s spirit breathes, expands
And sparks jihad in every land
Still occupied by the kuffar -
Striking enemies near and far:
Bush is shot down, Cheney gutted
Silverstein with stab wounds bloodied,
Rockefellers drawn and quartered,
Rothschilds crushed by gold they hoarded,
Netanyahu’s wicked head
Squashed flat beneath bulldozer treads
While Dov Zakheim is slowly flayed
Wolfowitz made to taste the blade
And Rumsfeld parses known unknowns
As bullets pulverize his bones,
Millions of angry mobs arise,
Chanting: Death to all who spread the lies:
That was Perle shot through both eyes.
And history suffers a sea-change
Into something rich & strange.
Again, I want to thank Rehmat for his honesty. He is pro-Arabic and anti-White and openly says so (unlike the other pro-Arabs that become furious at the accusation that Arabs had anything to do with 9-11 … because we all know Arabs are too good and pure for such activity. Only evil Whites could carry out such an action!
Jason Speaks – let me thank you in return for being having brain in lower part of your body. Dr. Kevin Barrett is as White as any Jew in the West could be. He also speaks Arabic, Spanish and a little bit of Hebrew.
YES, as a Muslim I hate to hide behind others’ skin color – because I am proud of my Turkish heritage.
Now, Kevin Barrett happens to have 9/11 deniers Jews and Christians – and a dog named ‘Salman Rushde’ in his organization which certainly make him a Jew-hater, right!
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/kevin-barrett-im-911-denier/
I am not an expert on 9/11.
My hunch is that Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda pulled off the attacks with the suicidal airplanes.
I do not know for sure.
What I do know for sure is that the laws of physics apply universally everywhere in the Cosmos at all times.
The laws of physics do not get suspended ( only for the Jews in the Old Testament, when the sun stopped for them, as the Bible fanatics actually believe ) for anything or anybody at anytime.
The manner of collapse of the two towers that were hit at near the top suggests that the either the laws of physics got suspended or that controlled demolition was used.
The fact that Tower 7 collapsed the same way, even though it was never hit by an airplane points inescapably to controlled demolition.
The Bin Laden boys were used as patsies for a much more sinister purpose without their foreknowledge.
The dancing Israelis come to mind…..
Someday, would you please get off your pompous, pretentious psychiatric smear campaign ?
Thomas Szasz, a dissident Jewish shrink & analyst, has exposed the whole myth of mental illness & the psychiatric establishment in thirty great books.
Just say your opponents are wrong, leave off the imbecilic pseudo-medical opinions.
9-11 was chickens coming home to roost.
I have no more interest in that than the JFK, RFK, MLK,
Macolm X, George Lincoln Rockwell and other sixties icons
assassinations.
I’m sorry about any innocent folks who might have been killed at 9-11. Also about the 3,000 plus innocent Afghanis that the smirking moron Bush Junior killed.
While you dimwits are arguing over 9-11, California LibDems are getting ready to pass the Dream Act.
Let’s get back to Planet Earth, people !
Truthers who do not want to to be contradicted about 9’11 should not broach the subject.
Someday, you are an insolent dog. You are also a liar, and spreader of disinformation designed to keep murderers away from receiving justice.
You are therefore complicit in the cold-blooded murder of 3,000 innocent people on 9-11, and will be judged (in accordance with normal legal procedure) as an accessory.
Whatever your ultimate goals are, they are doomed to failure. And, no mercy will be shown to you and your kind when found, of that you can be certain.
I like to think of Scumday and Shreiky as a tag team wrestlers. You know the drill -
One taps the other on the hand when their fingers get sore from maniacally typing lies and BINGO!!!! – Now there’s a new voice raised in outrage at the nerve of those of us who respect logic, applied science, mechanics and the laws of nature when we consider what happened on 911.
That’s all they are – phony wrestlers – phony wrestlers who have had their heads slammed into the corner posts too many times.
And now Scumday has the temerity to accuse those of us who insist 2+2=4 are mentally ill.
I laugh…and laugh some more.
@Michael Hardesty… I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis. Especially your mention of the “Dream Act” which is as anti-white and more detrimental to our people than any 911 conspiracy. Check out UCLA professor Kent Wong speaking at a Dream Act rally in California. He states that people of color will replace “old white men in power” with the passing of this act. If this doesn’t get our blood boiling, nothing will. Here’s a link to the video… http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/dec/14/ucla-professor-dream-act-immigrants-will-replace-o/
It seems another building blew up on 9/11 WTC. I just found out yesterday- WTC6.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1067&bih=516&q=wtc+6+explosion&aq=1sx&aqi=g-s1g-sx3g-sv1g-v3g-sv1g-v1&aql=&oq=wtc6
@ Tabula Raza …
You would also do well to research the large amount of gold bullion stolen from vaults constructed deep under the WTC complex. In addition to the one that succeeded, another gold heist was actually underway when the structures above it began to collapse – thwarting the operation. If I recall correctly, at least one of these bullion vaults was under WTC-6
Such grand larcenies obviously require intricate and long-term planning to pull off. A few thousand gold bars (of the standard size used by bullion stores) present a huge weight that requires a fleet of vehicles and a large team of highly motivated humans to shift.
This is just one example from the 50 or so other ways one can employ to ‘prove’ that 9-11 was indeed an inside job, and that its perpetrators are (for the time being) still living free in Israel, England, Corfu, the United States, and a couple of offshore hideaways we haven’t yet focused on.
It seems another building blew up on 9/11 WTC.”I just found out yesterday” WTC6.
LOL Great detective work Tabula Mi Raza. Wow,with detectives like you on the job we’ll get to the bottom of this whole Osama, 911 mystery thing. Tabula your observations are likened to a smooth stone void of intelligent grooves.
I really have no opinion about 9-11 other than it was chickens coming home to roost after over half a century of Israel First US foreign policy.
But I appreciate you folks refuting Someday, this is EXACTLY the same mentality that used to accuse holocaust revisionists of denying the moon landing.
It’s a VERY Jewish thing to put psychiatric labels on people who dissent from their NPR hogwash.
My position on 9/11 has undergone various changes over time. Initially, I bought the 19-Arab-blowback story. Then I moved to US-ignorance-Israeli-foreknowledge-Arab-perps. Finally, I settled on my present position, ie. Israeli-US military-pys-op with active MSM participation and most critically, no Arabs.
The weak links in the official story are its “documenters”, and the debris. For the first, read Leslie Raphael’s damning analysis of the mysterious Naudet brothers (where are they now?), whose extraordinary good luck saw them capture both “planes” as they hit the towers.
http://www.spingola.com/jules_naudet.htm
For the debris, which to me confirms this as a military operation with US know-how, see The New Hiroshima.
http://is.gd/c4ntqs
Finally, I’d like to thank those who psychologize and denigrate 9/11 skeptics for you showing your hand so clearly. Your clumsy signalling is invaluable in arousing the curiosity of people.
@MOD this discussion, like several others, went off on a tangent to the article, can we have it made clear that comments are to discuss the article not the commenter’s pet theories.
Trenchant, Leslie Raphael’s ‘argument from incredulity’ has already been demolished, look in the 9/11 thread,
Michael Hardesty, I will give you a paradigmatic example of someone who believes in a false flag 9/11 as well as UFOs and who is acknowledged to have a mental disorder: Gary McKinnon
Anglo Saxon, hijacking is not so difficult, you did not require the assistance of Mossad to hijack a discussion of Kevin MacDonald’s article (which was about the irrelevance of Bin Laden to the real problem: displacement of white people) and send it hurtling into ludicrousness. Gold bullion indeed! You have been reading too much Alistair MacLean.
“That makes no sense and you know it. You know damned well that if a group of people were capable of pulling off the murder of 3,000+ of their fellow citizens, with all the attendant coverups that would be necessary, they could most certainly plant a few WMDs. Jesus H Christ, grow up. You don’t even believe in the 9-11 Truther stories and you know you don’t. Hell, I don’t think anyone does. You know full well you don’t believe any of it.” – J. Squeaks.
They could have faked the existence of WMDs in Iraq, but didn’t. So who is the conspiracy theorist, Squeaker? Certainly not I. Your “reptilian shape-shifter” crap and comparisons to Rense betrays a blanket conspiracy theory about conspiracies, especially those that contradict your worldview. In your view no WMDs in Iraq “proves” there was no 9-11 conspiracy, right? But not every move by Geppetto’s puppets need be calculated. The need to maintain plausible deniability in a soft totalitarian regime like the U.S. is extremely critical at executive levels.
What is it with this stupid ” no planted WMD in Iraq ” thing ?
That is correct . The war was made of lies . And this helps to support the status quo … how ? !
There was no need to plant WMD’s since the war already happened . They got their war . It is a done deal .
It is now proven that planting WMD’s was not important by the fact that it is felt that another war can be started under the false pretense of WMD’s in Iran !
It’s not the truth that is important for the powers that be , it is how powerfully influencing their lies are , and I see some posters are doing their part to support the lies . That can’t be good .
I’m curious to read Michael Scheuer’s new book “Osama Bin Laden” Just saw him on Cspan’s book tv.
Someday, I don’t believe in the whole concept of ‘mental illness’ which is why I referred you to the works of Thomas Szasz.
Your giving me some Wiki article is worse than useless.
Enigmatic, thanks for your welcome comments.
You appear to be an agent provocateur and you are best ignored.
Michael Hardesty May 8, 2011 – 8:01 pm | Permalink Someday, I don’t believe in the whole concept of ‘mental illness’ which is why I referred you to the works of Thomas Szasz.
You obviously haven’t read the comments from Anglo Saxon if you don’t believe in mental illness….
My last sentence refers to Someday only. NOT Enigmatic.
To Someday:
The Naudet brothers’ film is a painful watch, so obvious is its propaganda value. I’d recommend viewing it to all, nonetheless. The most intriguing aspect of the film is them, who are they and what is their real story?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=503_1258736317
To Someday:
I just skimmed this thread, and found no reference to the Naudet brothers, or their film 9/11.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/10/rob-lonaker-on-911/
…nor any reference to Leslie Raphael, for that matter.
John hearns, Certain personality types hold unconventional beliefs. Someone who thinks an overwhelming scientific consensus is wrong ( as you do re mental illness) is quite likely to hold heterodox opinions on many subjects. Those who disagree with your funny ideas may not be Jewish agents. I strongly suspect you’re deluding yourself as to the importance of comments if you really believe that.
It’s good that youv’e read that coment thread. There is another article which resulted in a 9/11 thread. Anyway here is the link Leslie Raphael’s Conveniences
@ someday
[ is quite likely to hold heterodox opinions on many subjects. Those who disagree with your funny ideas may not be Jewish agents. ]
Ummm , if by ” funny ideas ” you mean ideas outside of the box ( although steadily becoming more accepted ) then I would have to agree .
Also , this would be classified as a site for heterodox opinions . Thanks God .
And , I do think that some seem so hell bent on supporting the 2+2 = 5 status quo that they must have ulterior motives .
However , I do think that it might be that some people are simply very bad at math and I am sure that any of these comments are not that important in the big scheme of
things .
I should have said that this site is a heterodox opinion at it’s heart . Hopefully we can an all agree on the extreme importance of heterodoxy and it is ironic for a poster to imply otherwise .
Cranks and Credibility
@ Someday
Yes , I agree that pragmatism is of great value to the cause . I also feel that it is pragmatic in the long term to stick to your convictions even when it goes against the herd .
We need to convince respected and respectable people including professionals such as lawyers, MD’s and academics.
If average white people like that come to this site and read an article advocating a heterodox viewpoint it is all the more necessary that commenters do not give the impression that they hold unusual opinions on most subjects. Can you see why ?
Barack Obama did it again. Jewish Lobby asked Obama to release Jewish master-spy Jonathan Pollard if he wish to get re-elected in 2012 – but instead he staged a White House PSYOP on Osama Bin Laden.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/israel-i-asked-for-pollard-not-osama/
To Someday:
That Matt Parrott piece brought nothing of substance to the argument, even though I find him a sympathetic character.
The Randi critique of Raphael was merely a rhetorical flourish. We agree on the Naudet brothers’ extraordinary luck. We disagree on whether foreknowledge or serendipity was behind it. I’m afraid I’m way too cynical to believe in happenstance like that.
Nevertheless, it’s fascinating to ponder where the Naudets may be now and why they don’t capitalize on their lucky streak in the great Hollywood tradition. Shame to waste such an expensive film school education after the documentary of the century!
The OBL killing has certainly brought the cranks out of the woodwork. It’s embarrassing.
I don’t like the CIA, or the Washington overlords, but I’d prefer not to call them cranks. They seem quite able in prosecuting their objectives, and are to be feared all the more for it.
[ The OBL killing has certainly brought the cranks out of the woodwork. It’s embarrassing. ]
True , it brought you out .
Those who would applaud and justify the murder of an elderly, unarmed man (and others who may have been innocent of any crime) by a conspiratorial elite would also, one presumes, justify the fact that information which might condemn that elite can no longer be disseminated by the dead.
And then there is this: what if the old bloke dispatched to the ocean depths with such unseemly, extra-judical haste wasn’t Bin Laden?
Check out “Osama bin Laden has been dead for almost ten years” here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8pgcbbjD4c
Check out the footsoldiers of our REAL enemies here:
http://www.iamanenglishman.com/rogues_gallery.php
Allow me to clarify: when I say “information which might condemn that elite can no longer be disseminated by the dead”, I mean “disseminated” in a court of law.
Someday, many of us totally disagree with the establishment view on everything from Ayn Rand to
holocaust trevisionism. We are NOT pragmatists,
it works because it’s true, NOT true ‘because it works.’
Your quote from the discredited practitioner of psychiatric coercion is totally unimpressive, see Thomas Szasz’s 30 books taking apart all the premises of psychiatry.
Nor are the established professors, doctors, lawyers, anything but the most brainwashed part of the population.
You are what Rand called a Social Metaphysian, that is one who believes in the consciousness of others over his own and objective reality.
The truth cannot be determined from first principles. That is a pre-scientific outlook.
Can you imagine that in these wacky times of lies and manipulation , and on this site of all places , that a person who does not tow the establishment line on very important political events , that person could be labeled a ” crank” or that the subject of ” integrity” would be raised .
Some people on here are very much like fish out of water .
One of these things is not like the other ….
…Gefilte fish out of water. Quite so.
Your statement makes no sense as no one here was disavowing induction. Deduction comes after induction
in philosophy and philosophy of science.
Axioms are the first principles requiring no proof as that is impossible since they are the base of all knowledge.
Existence presupposes proof.
And if the result of an experiment demonstrates that the impossible (ie something that contradicts first principles) does in fact occur ?
No experiment has ever disproved an axiom. Look up the definition of axiom, that is behind everything, you can go no further. There are very few axioms but they are the base of ALL knowledge. What you are playing is the Humean-Kantian shyster tactic of the Stolen Concept,
you are using a concept to deny its validity, you are using reason to deny reason, you are using morality to deny morality. See Galt’s Speech in Atlas Shrugged.
Philosophers like you are a dime a three dozen for the past 200 years and offer no solutions.
Same tired old anti-intellectual, anti-philosophical mindless pragmatism a la Dewey and Holmes, very fourth rate minds.
Peddle this on The New Republic website.
“Peddle this on The New Republic website.” Michael Hardesty
Amen, Mr. Hardesty, Amen.
It’s called Empiricism. You are a rationalist.
No, I’m not because BOTH sides of the empiricist-rationalist dichotomy are false.
See Objectivism:The Philosophy Of Ayn Rand by Leonard Peikoff and if you can afford it get Peikoff’s very extensive
audio series on The History Of Western Philosophy from
the Ayn Rand Bookstore. It totally demolishes the rationalist-empiricist dichotomy as two sides of the same
coin. Also see The Analytic-Synthetic Dichotomy by Peikoff in the revised edition of the Introduction To Objectivist Epistemology by Ayn Rand.
Also see The Evidence Of The Senses:A Realist Theory Of Perception by David Kelley.
Hume’s anti-conceptual nihilistic empiricism is taken apart as thoroughly as Kant’s insane rationalism.
Hume and Kant are the destroyers of western philosophy and modern civilization.
It would take way too long to even decently summarize it here and it is off topic.
But the above are highly recommended to all readers interested in the false dichotomies that are destroying
western civilization. African and Asian civilizations are not worth discussing.
Thank you very much, Arthur Decco.
Ayn Rand :
Sounds like rationalism to me.
No, she based it on empirical observation of the then racists she had come in contact with and was unaware of
the much more intellectual types since then.
In any case I refer readers to the above referenced materials exploding the empirical-rational dichotomy.
Even if Rand was wrong in her particular analysis of racism it wouldn’t affect the argument against the dichotomy.
Also the genetic argument on morality and character is as open to debate as the standard environmental argument.
There might be another false dichotomy there too.
While we are on the subject of philosophy …
If a tree were rigged with explosives and so it falls in a forest but no one is around to hear it , does it make a sound?
Yes, because reality exists as an objective absolute regardless of whether we choose to recognize it or even
if we didn’t exist. The exploision would be felt by both
the plant and animal life around it and heard by some sentient being if only birds.
Humans are the products of natural selection for Darwinian Fitness, not for the ability to recognize reality.
You’ve gotta see at least the beginning of this great new Dr. Duke vid. Ding! Dong! The witch is dead! Hilarious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTAWlizUe1w
Good video by Duke. Note how he strikes the right tone: He doesn’t leave any doubt that Osama was a bad guy and in no way supports him. He condemns him. But then he goes on to describe all the problems with how the US dealt with the problem of Osama and how the US didn’t truly act in its own national interest. Well done.
Someday, I can’t make any sense of your last comment either. Human beings can only survive by recognizing reality and this has always been true long before Darwin
and long after the ‘fitness’ nonsense has been consigned
to the dustbin of discarded theories.
The New York Tims published a latest Israel Hasbara (propaganda) piece written by Benji Weiser on May 19, 2011, saying: “Iranian officials had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks“. He also claimed that 9/11 Commision Report “found no evidence that Iran or Hezbollah was aware of the planning for what later became the 9/11 attack” – but some how his Zionist guts feeling told him that both Iran and Hizbullah did have pre-knowledge of 9/11.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/nyt-iran-and-hizbullah-linked-to-911/