Philip Weiss on the Disintegration of WASP Society

Philip Weiss, whom I once described as “a Jew without all the usual rationalizations and blind spots–at least most of them,” has a Mondoweiss column commenting on the collapse of WASP America (“WASP society is disintegrating“). It starts out with one of his WASP inlaws commenting on the decline his tribe. Weiss asked him if he “grieve[d] for its passing?”

No, he said. Things change. Orders change all the time. It’s the nature of society. And besides, we had a good run.

How broad-minded of him. “Oh, well. We lost fair and square. Life goes on.” I am sure he takes great pride in being known far and wide as tolerant, principled,  and fair-minded–a moral paragon; an upstanding member of his community with an excellent reputation for honesty and fair play; an example to one and all; a virtual saint. Just the sort of guy you would want in your hunter-gatherer band of non-relatives during the Ice Age.

The bloodless (so far) coup made possible by valuing principles more highly than power comes to its fruition. In this he reminds me of Justice Paul Stevens “strong sense of principle–even to the extent of making decisions that could not possibly be seen as helping his ethnic group.”

Such people do not think of the power of their ethnic group as a vital necessity in a world still fraught with ethnic conflict–including, most relevantly, the conflict between the new elite and the people they rule over. They don’t think of their loss of power as a catastrophic blow that will make them vulnerable to  non-White ethnic coalitions with festering historical grudges against people like them. One of the characteristic flaws of WASPs, as noted by Eric Kaufmann, was to think that other peoples are “just like them,” so that the people who replace them will be just like them in the sense that they will uphold the same ideals. The republic will live on but with different faces–a utopian idea, to say the least.


An implicit  (actually, often explicit) conceit of the Jewish ascendancy is that Jews created a meritocracy and thus elbowed out the WASPs who were given to snobbish networking and had little talent. Here Weiss discusses an English professor who had the misfortune to come along at a time when talent mattered. “The rules changed for academic advancement, the meritocracy came in, my friend was completely intimidated by that new way, and he absented himself. He frittered his life away,” but at least he was good a quoting Shakespeare.

Weiss mentions Elena Kagan as a symptom of the new, predominantly Jewish elite. During the her confirmation process, Prof. Noah Feldman sounded the meritocracy theme–as well as the theme of WASP dedication to principle:

Satisfaction with our national progress [by having 3 Jews on the Supreme Court and no WASPs] should not make us forget its authors: the very Protestant elite that founded and long dominated our nation’s institutions of higher education and government, including the Supreme Court. Unlike almost every other dominant ethnic, racial or religious group in world history, white Protestants have ceded their socioeconomic power by hewing voluntarily to the values of merit and inclusion, values now shared broadly by Americans of different backgrounds. The decline of the Protestant elite is actually its greatest triumph. (See here.)

But this leads to the ultimate irony: Kagan is remarkably unqualified to be a Supreme Court Justice in terms of the usual standards: judicial experience, academic publications, or even courtroom experience–the Harriet Miers of the left; described by Senator Jeff Sessions asthe least experienced nominee “at least in the last 50 years.” Rather, all the evidence is that Kagan owes her confirmation to her Jewish ethnic connections (see also here). It must be nice to be appointed dean of Harvard Law by the egregiously corrupt and stridently Jewish Larry Summers after failing to show sufficient commitment to scholarship to be able to return to her position at the University of Chicago. Ethnic connections indeed.

The new elite is at least as corrupt as the old elite, and there is no reason at all to suppose that they are principled like their WASP forebears. In fact, from the standpoint of the universalist principles trumpeted by the Left, strong ethnic identifications so rampant among our Jewish elite are the very antithesis of principle—what’s good for the Jews and all that.

Weiss provides his theory of the rise of the Jews in the 1960s, openly challenging the WASP elites:

Much of the 60s rebellion had a political character, but some of it was social, too, against the WASP elite. At Columbia during the 60s rebellion, the students had researched their professors to find out how much of their income came out of the defense contractors. And a lot of those rebellious students were Jewish, their parents ran candy stores or other small businesses, and as SDS leader Mark Rudd said a few years ago (in this piece on Why there were so many Jews in the SDS), the administration offices at Columbia were “dripping with goyishness.” So there was a social component to that too, it wasn’t just about power.

Right. It was about power and about eradicating the culture of the old elite. It was ethnic displacement, decapitating American society and replacing its elite with a Jewish elite. (I made the same point citing the same Mark Rudd article in recounting my experiences on the left in the 1960s. A citation would be cool.)

Weiss goes on:

I wonder when people will begin to describe the new elite. We shy away from doing so because it engages issues of anti-semitism, but if you think of that self-contained WASP society, the only thing to contend with it, in term of social cohesion, is affluent Jewish society, the Jewish mandarins of New York and Washington. No one has given us a name– the media industrial complext? Writers like David Brooks avoid the subject because it would involve talking about the Israel lobby.

Well, I have been trying to describe the new  elite–my usual phrase is Jews as a “hostile elite“–hostile to the traditional people and culture of America in a way that was completely foreign to the WASPs. It is also an elite that is absolutely dedicated to the welfare of a foreign country to which they have ethnic ties. The old elite may have had an attachment to England, but, after all, they represented a substantial percentage of the population; this attachment was rooted in the entire history of the US. The new elite is promoting the ethnic interests of a tiny percentage of the population with only a marginal role to play in American history until the early decades of the 20th century.

Weiss notes that the new elite has a “war under our belt”–casually and almost flippantly. It is common knowledge at this point that the war in Iraq was the work of the  Israel Lobby, a war that has cost nearly a trillion dollars and thousands of (non-Jewish) dead and severely wounded. It is a true measure of the power of the new elite that Jewish involvement in this war remains in the nether world of the Internet, with even the book by two professors at elite academic institutions consigned to political irrelevance as Congress vacations in Israel and presidential candidates spar on the basis of who is more pro-Israel.

David Gerlernter provided a classic description of the old elite and its relationship to the country it ruled:

The old elite used to get on fairly well with the country it was set over. Members of the old social upper-crust elite were richer and better educated than the public at large, but approached life on basically the same terms. The public went to church and so did they. The public went into the army and so did they. The public staged simpler weddings and the elite put on fancier ones, but they mostly all used the same dignified words and no one self-expressed. They agreed (this being America) that art was a waste, scientists were questionable, engineering and machines and progress and nature were good. Some of the old-time attitudes made sense, some did not; but the staff and their bosses basically concurred.

I will quickly pass over the part about art and scientists which I think is at best oversimplified. The old elite revered science (e.g., establishing our great universities and lavishly funding scientific and medical research that enabled the modern world). If it disliked art, it was because art had become a squalid sinkhole long before the decline of the WASPs (e.g., Michael Colhaze and Lasha Darkmoon)–what one might term a leading cultural indicator of the preferences of the new elite and quite in tune with their hostility toward the traditional peoples and cultures of the West.

But Gerlertner is certainly right that “today’s elite loathes the nation it rules.” (Gerlertner mentions Jews as contributing to the new elite, but only as a marker [a symptom], nothing more. He conforms to the Jewish mantra that it’s all about meritocracy: “Jews are a dye marker that allows us to trace a new class of people as it moves into the system–a new class distinguished by intellect and not social standing.” One wonders why the new elite is hostile if it has nothing to do with the proclivities of its Jewish component and its long history of antipathy toward the non-Jewish world. Hostile elites are quite unlikely in a democratic, European-derived  society that is basically ethnically homogeneous.)

And unlike the old elite which was the subject of innumerable Hollywood satires and the explicit hostility of Jews like Rudd, this new elite cannot say its name. Even describing it as predominantly Jewish is to invite inquisitions from powerful anti-White Jewish activist organizations with ominously close ties to the government and law enforcement–the ADL and the SPLC.

Weiss concludes:

But I can tell you from my own life’s arc, from Harvard and New York media/politics, that my Jewish world has the cohesion that my friend remembers about that self-contained WASP society. We have geography and manners (liberal voting, the Hamptons, Paul Krugman’s latest column, Tom Friedman, the Upper West Side, brunches and book clubs), we have a politics (abortion rights, gay rights, Elena Kagan writ large), we have culture (I could go on and on), and yes we have money (hedge funds). And a war under our belt too.

So we have a highly networked new elite (which claims that networking has nothing to do with their elite status) with its leftist culture and huge wealth. In the ideal world as imagined by Weiss’s inlaw, it doesn’t matter that this new elite is predominantly Jewish. The problem is the hostility thing–the result of traditional Jewish fear and loathing of Europeans and their cultures, itself resulting from the long history of conflict between Jews and non-Jews in Europe and in its descendant cultures. That makes the new elite very dangerous for White America, the main object of its loathing.

Returning to the quixotic inlaw, the attitudes of a very large number of like-minded Whites will cast a long, deadly shadow as we head into the  future.  All the research shows that ethnically divided societies are prone to conflict and have less of a civic sense — for example, people in ethnically divided societies are less likely to contribute to public goods like health care. The new elite is much more likely to act out their historical grudges against the White majority than to uphold WASP ideals and principles. Ethnicity matters.

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134 Comments to "Philip Weiss on the Disintegration of WASP Society"

  1. Less IQ than a Jew's Gravatar Less IQ than a Jew
    December 7, 2011 - 6:43 am | Permalink

    “liberal voting, the Hamptons, Paul Krugman’s latest column, Tom Friedman, the Upper West Side, brunches and book clubs” Jew York – YouTube
    Who controls us?

  2. Tom Barnes's Gravatar Tom Barnes
    September 24, 2011 - 12:50 pm | Permalink

    I have always thought it odd thatEric P. Kaufmann’s book was so parsimoniously reviewed. I have said it before but I think the fact that The Rise and Fall of Anglo-America was not reviewed by the prestige media seemed suspicious to me. As far as I know there were very few reviews and this was a Harvard University publication.
    I felt it was because our new elite liked and treasured the existence of its favorite Strawman, the wealthy light brown haired, blue eyed, snobby Wasp. Therefore they wanted to not give any credibility to the Fall aspect of Waspdom by discussing in the mainstream press a scholarly book.

  3. spawned's Gravatar spawned
    September 8, 2011 - 2:29 am | Permalink

    Back in the 70’s or was it the 80s??, that we heard about the mass influx of Russian Jews finding “asylum” in the United States, that the Russian government was “letting them go” and they were coming here. There was the usual pity and such with this, but that was a whole spin too.

  4. Ed's Gravatar Ed
    September 3, 2011 - 11:48 pm | Permalink

    “Anytime you see a Jew/Leftist use the term WASP substitute the word white and you’ll understand their goals.”

    Good insight…

    “Another example of this weasel-wording for white is the use of the term “Anglo” when talking about Hispanic issues.”

    I myself had noticed this. I am curious where you get the term “weasel-wording”. I only ask because it seems such an apt description of the technique.

    I have noticed even at sites such as this some commenters creating divisions between our people. “catholic” “protestant” etc. I for one just can’t relate to such notions.

    We were Episcopal in my family until my father grew weary of the monotone liberal agenda and guided us into converting to Catholicism (the local parish was conservative) when I was 12 years old. It horrified my snobbish grandparents, though they were too polite to say anything directly. They were horrified, until, well, 15 years later, they too ended up converting to Catholicism too. Today, they are the most proud 90 year old catholics you could find.

    We never had an ethnic identity in my family. We didn’t need one. In the white utopia I grew up in, there were no ethnic issues that I was aware of because we were all white europeans who had become “Americans”.

    I only developed a sense of white Identity when as an adult I moved to an urban environment. Something gnaws at you (the naive white person) until you realize every other ethnic group an ethnic identity, and that ethnic identity is frequently and deliberately hostile to your own, to the extent it is enshrined in discriminatory, anti-white laws.

    I remember when the site, “Stuff white people like” came out. People in my office where genuinely enthusiastic about it. For weeks I would see people reading the site during their lunch breaks (people ate at their desks). The humor or “poking fun” element seemed to make it ok for people to read the site and identify with it as a white person (basically it was an office of white yuppies). People crowded around one computer terminal, nodding their heads, talking, laughing, having fun with and enjoying the notion of white identity, and it was all ok because it was “in good fun”.

    Folks, it is just beneath the surface. I think people, particularly young people who have been exposed “diversity” are inwardly crying out for a non-apoligetic expression of white, european identity.

  5. JohnC.'s Gravatar JohnC.
    August 29, 2011 - 3:11 am | Permalink

    WASP without the W would be ASP, not much of an improvement. While WASP ostensibly means Anglo-Saxon (that is, English) it really is just a weasel term for White. Saying white is just a little too much on the nose. “White society is disintegrating” would be a little too revealing about the fact that we are talking about racial genocide and not a mere change in leadership. It might wake a few people up. But who would get worked up over the loss of “WASP leadership?” The majority of Whites aren’t “WASPs” and even those who could fairly claim to be descendants of Englishmen don’t identify with the term, and don’t much support an English quasi-aristocracy. Using the term WASP is just another divide and conquer tactic designed to ease whites into the figurative, if not literal, gas chambers. Anytime you see a Jew/Leftist use the term WASP substitute the word white and you’ll understand their goals.

    Another example of this weasel-wording for white is the use of the term “Anglo” when talking about Hispanic issues. It isn’t, contrary to what the leftist propagandists say, because of the vast number of Hispanics out there who qualify as white, it’s because to use the term white starkly exposes the racial nature of their program. Saying white might convince whites that they have group interests. But who the hell thinks of himself as an “Anglo?”

  6. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    August 29, 2011 - 1:12 am | Permalink

    Weiss, wondering how we see him: “I wonder when people will begin to describe the new elite.”

    By definition, the elite is “the cream of the nation”. Jews cannot be called the new American elite because 1) They are not nice people, they are liars, race-replacers, and destroyers of European culture. In fact, they are the contrary of the cream. 2) They belong to the wrong nation: they are Jews, not Americans.

    I think the word elite only makes sense for a real nation. It makes little sense in a place where many races are forced to live together. A foreign elite cannot be seen as the elite “of” a nation. We should see the Jews as our new rulers, but certainly not as “our” new elites. They have nothing to do with us and we have no use for them.

    In fact, “hostile elite” is an oxymoron. If they are hostile and turn against their own people, they are not real elites.

    Definition of ELITE
    a) the choice part : cream
    b) the best of a class
    c) the socially superior part of society
    d) a group of persons who by virtue of position or education exercise much power or influence

    The tone of Philip Weiss’ column is aggressive. He seems to be gloating about the disintegration of White society, and the replacement of the English by the Jews. He is lying when he hints that the Jews get to the top of Western societies thanks to their superior abilities. He is also dishonest when he fails to see the disastrous consequences for White people. But he thinks he can give us the usual Jewish nonsense and be recognized by us as a member of the elite!

  7. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 26, 2011 - 6:19 pm | Permalink

    @Wolfgang Star: Thank you for an engrossing comment. I haven’t seen your screen name hereabouts before, but I look forward to seeing it again. Herzliche Grüsse!

  8. Atheling's Gravatar Atheling
    August 25, 2011 - 3:24 am | Permalink

    @ed: @Anglo Saxon: @Anon2:

    Hi ed, that’s a fair challenge. Thanks to Anglo-Saxon for stepping forward in my absence with relevant material.

    Certainly it’s problematic. Trying to discern the exact moment of the Jewish merchants’ entry into Europe takes us into a dim and misty past. But I’ve never read a serious account that had the Jews entering Greece for other than commercial reasons. You mentioned Jacob and Esau, and therefore I’ll assume you’re also familiar with Jacob’s mottling of the sheep (or people, under interpretation), and Joseph’s economy of scale replay of Jacob’s deceit, getting the people of Egypt to trade their birthright for a bowl of soup, and reducing them to explicit slavery. All this long before Antiochus IV Epiphanes and the Maccabee revolt.

    It’s this pattern of behavior I confidently point to in regarding Jewish culture as predatory. Humans are animals after all, not necessarily Godless, but still genetically driven, so we must take the universe for what it really is. And of course the interest slavery method continues to this day.

    With slave-trading in the popularly understood sense, the long-term Jewish commercial domination of the slave trade is historically documented, and noted by Jewish scholars, among others. If you’re already familiar with the next references, they may seem tiresome, sorry, but they also point to a variety of blackbirding being perpetrated, even as we speak, as it has for millennia before us.

    For selling Barbie Dolls worldwide, long before the incorporation of Mattel®, there’s an abundance of references provided by Prof. Ariel Toaff in “Blood Passover”, whatever one thinks of his blood ritual theories. He is Professor of Medieval and Renaissance History at Bar-Ilan University in Israel.

    See the medieval Arabic text called “The Book of Roads and Kingdoms”, by geographer/spy/courier Ibn Khurradadhbih (or Khordadbeh), ca. A.D. 880 for the international breadth of this network.

    Proverbs 22:7 “The borrower is slave to the lender.” Considering interest slavery again briefly, let’s remember Diodorus Siculus (1st century BC) referred to Jewish usurious manipulations as already being centuries old.

  9. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    August 23, 2011 - 12:48 pm | Permalink


    „Last, every man is his own priest, and has to make his own peace with God. No Priests, no Bishops, no Popes, no Nuns, no Cardinals.“

    Exactly my friend, and some Roman Catholics still know that this mindset ends in the self empowerment and deification of Men and so in Godlessness.
    And the Cult of Men needs human sacrifices.
    Hilaire Belloc spoke more than 80 years ago about „the internal strength of a Protestant culture retained on into modern times which has only now begun to lose it, through the gradually disintegrating effect of a false philosophy.“ 
    Quite prophetic, don´t you think? Belloc wrote also some interesting stuff about the Jews but I think the following captures the essence of the Disintegration of WASP Society:
    „Protestant culture decayed from within from a number of causes, all probably connected, although it is difficult to trace the connection; all probably proceeding from what physicists call the auto-toxic condition of the Protestant culture. We say that an organism has become auto-toxic when it is beginning to poison itself, when it loses vigor in its vital processes and accumulates secretions which continually lessen its energies.
    „Though the iron Calvinist affirmations (the core of which was an admission of evil into the Divine nature by the permission of but One Will in the universe) have rusted away, yet his vision of a Moloch God remains; and the coincident Calvinist devotion to material success, the Calvinist antagonism to poverty and humility, survive in full strength. Usury would not be eating up the modern world but for Calvin nor, but for Calvin, would men debase themselves to accept inevitable doom; nor, but for Calvin, would Communism be with us as it is today, nor, but for Calvin, would Scientific Monism dominate as it (till recently) did the modern world, killing the doctrine of miracle and paralysing Free Will.“

    Best wishes from Germany. As you should know, if Germany had been remained a Catholic country, Hitler would not had the slightest chance. The overwhelming support for him came from the Protestant parts of Germany.

  10. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 23, 2011 - 9:07 am | Permalink


    Immigrants who want to work hard,obey our laws,and live the American Dream have always been great assets.

    So you don’t care that the absolute majority of those “hard working, law abiding” immigrants are non-White as long as they immigrate lawfully?
    Are you aware of the fact that from a biological point of view the terms “lawful” or “unlawfull”are meaningless?WN is not about protecting laws,not even the economy,WN is about protecting Whites. When Whites have become a minority in their country they have LOST their country. What that means?Ask the White South Africans!
    Ron Paul has some good ideas,but he still has to awaken to some very basic truths.

  11. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 22, 2011 - 4:45 pm | Permalink

    @Aprilia: You are right to object to Anon2’s deceitful, insulting, and deliberately subversive comments, but it is important not to allow distaste or anger to obscure the adroit way he has combined trivial truths, half-truths, and obvious lies, lest your response ends in giving credence to a part of a charge that is otherwise so nonsensical as to merit no reply at all.

    Take one excerpt as an example: Catholic military officers are sending our boys and girls, many of them Scots Irish, to die in foreign wars that originate in our collaboration with Israel. May I suggest that the first sentence of your reply—”So are the Protestant military officers.”—might better have been something like this: “Can you supply evidence that any officers—Catholic, Protestant, Unitarian, or atheist—are disobeying commands to go into combat, commands that originate with the Zionists and Jews in the Obama Oval Office and DoD?”

    With reference to your next sentence, note that, since at least World War II, the officer corps’ Catholic and Mormon numbers have been disproportionate to those in society at large. The response to that essentially pointless truth—which in better times people have pointed to with pride!—might better have been, “What of it? If you are saying that true-blue Prots would have ignored or defied orders, I trust you have more to offer than just a drive-by sneer.”

    I could go on, but the central point is that Anon2 is a slippery sort of fellow. What he is up to with his various postings on this site is by no means always clear—certainly not to me. “Handle with care” is a useful caution under the circumstances.

    Pax tibi, Aprilia.

  12. Todd's Gravatar Todd
    August 22, 2011 - 4:39 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if that conversation really took place. Maybe it did.

    This post by Weiss seems to be more revealing, as it is shorter, less polished and more from the gut:

    I don’t like Perry or Barbour, but Barbour is right that the media reserves special scrutiny and dislike for white Christians from the South, and that such people should choose their words carefully. Just look at Weiss’ comments page for the following gem:

    “yeah, don’t go lettin’ those macaca moments slip thru your racist tongues southern boys.”

    You need look no further for the type of bigotry, scorn and dishonest scrutiny that men like Barbour and Perry face than that comment. I’ll assume that the lady is being honest and doesn’t know who she is actually referring to with the macaca comment. She is referring George Allen who is a Jew, and the macaca slur is a derogatory Sephardi term for blacks.

  13. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    August 22, 2011 - 8:28 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I suggest that you visit this link:

    A nation without borders is no nation at all.
    It just doesn’t make sense to fight terrorists abroad while leaving our front door unlocked.
    Unfortunately, for far too long, neither major political party has had the courage to do what is necessary to tackle the problem.
    Instead, we’re presented with so-called “solutions” that involve amnesty proposals or further restricting Americans’ civil liberties through programs like REAL ID.
    Ron Paul opposes both of these schemes and believes they will only make illegal immigration and the problems associated with it worse. He has been proud to see states exercising their Tenth Amendment rights and protecting their citizens by refusing to comply with the unconstitutional REAL ID law.
    While the federal government neglects its constitutional responsibility to protect our borders, it continues to push mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care to illegal immigrants at a time when the states are drowning in debt. This must not be tolerated any longer.
    Like most Americans, Ron Paul also understands just how valuable legal immigration is to our country.
    Immigrants who want to work hard, obey our laws, and live the American Dream have always been great assets.
    If elected President, Ron Paul will work to implement the following common sense reforms:
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.
    * No Amnesty – The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.
    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.
    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.
    * Protect Lawful Immigrants – As President, Ron Paul will encourage legal immigration by streamlining the entry process without rewarding lawbreakers.
    As long as our borders remain wide open, the security and safety of the American people are at stake.
    As President, Ron Paul will address immigration by fighting for effective solutions that protect our nation, uphold the rule of law, and respect every American citizen’s civil liberties.

  14. Todd's Gravatar Todd
    August 22, 2011 - 1:03 am | Permalink

    “And what war is that? If there is one area that Jews are outstandingly deficient it is in willingness to contribute to the defense of the society on which they have attached themselves.”

    One is more likely to find an atheist than a Jew in a foxhole, at least in the U.S. military.

  15. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    August 21, 2011 - 11:20 pm | Permalink

    I see many intellectuals in this scroll trying to make the jig saw fit together , constantly shuffling bits of history ,possible psychology even DNA sequences , the brotherhood.. . The WASP acronym is pretty obvious , who invented the Wheel ? some genius .But it is a problem the we WASPS and we want to be wasps don’t have a rejoiner .So much intellectual fiddling .
    Now if a Wasps is a nasty insect that people feel good about killing , surely their must be some toad , rat or vulture that starts with the letter J ? Men rack your brains , women sharpen your nails . The word bigot should fit in their somewhere . This comes from APPlE incorp , (with minor changes) .BIGGOTED : obstinately convinced of the superiority or correctness of one’s own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions : a bigoted group of Jews.

    What have we got : Jewish Eastern European Problems –JEEPS or JOBS …..

    A part of the propaganda game is to denigrate the enemy and to have our people with the tools necessary to defend themselves .The tools of righteous good humor and in poor taste too .Thus it is good that we consider some thinking along the lines of cruder more vitriolic , cutting quipping, quotable ideas ,words or analogies .
    Stuff that those further up the food chain can use in the battle of words , in the shaming of the enemy , to make them blush , wipe that smug from their faces , Yes to humiliate them they way they enjoy using HollowWood to taunt the truth seekers with their insulting lies and make our ‘leaders’ dance and humiliate themselves as clowns before foolish audience and mouthing the lies that Jester do to satisfy a king.

  16. Aprilia's Gravatar Aprilia
    August 21, 2011 - 10:59 pm | Permalink

    And it is Catholic elites like O’Reilly, Hannity, Maddow, etc., who shill for a foreign country, Israel.

    So do Protestant elites like George W. Bush, John McCain, Michelle Bachmann, Al Gore, etc, who shill for a foreign country, Israel.

    Catholic military officers are sending our boys and girls, many of them Scots Irish, to die in foreign wars that originate in our collaboration with Israel.

    So are the Protestant military officers.

    Are you trying to imply that our military officers are disproportinately Catholic?

    If so, what is your basis for this belief?

    And do note where the Catholic Church stands on mass immigration.

    The same place as the Protestant Churches, unfortunately.

    Meanwhile, in Europe, how strong has the Catholic Church been of late as bulwark of European identity?

    The Catholic Church has been weak on that front in the context of the Protestant denominations also being weak on that front, both weaknesses being due to a collapse in the mass acceptance of European racial feeling and Western cultural solidarity.

    All the other wars have been BS.

    And have gotten lots of support from White Protestants, not just White Catholics.

    If anything today the White Protestants are more likely to support the BS wars we’re in (though probably this is the result of White Southerners being both more pro-war and more Protestant than the average White American).

    And was it Anglo Saxons, or Irish Catholics, that successfully beat back the attempts to open up our borders in the 1920s?

    I don’t think there was an effort to open our borders to non-Europeans in the 1920’s.

    If Irish Catholics supported opening things up more to European immigrants, that was perfectly understandable given that immigration from Europe to America disproportionately came from Ireland.

    As for the 1965 Immigration Act, it was written in such a way that its results were little understood.

    It’s true that Irish Catholics were wrong to keep supporting Ted Kennedy even after it became clear that the results of the act would be negative for those of European descent, but it’s worth noting that Anglo-Saxon Protestants made the same error when it came to supporting LBJ even after it became clear that his Civil Rights Act would be a disaster for Whites (and especially a disaster for southern Whites).

  17. Anon2's Gravatar Anon2
    August 21, 2011 - 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Maybe it is the Catholics, and particularly the Irish Catholics, who have really sold out our people. It was the Kennedys after all who helped enact the disastrous 1965 Immigration Law. And it is Catholic elites like O’Reilly, Hannity, Maddow, etc., who shill for a foreign country, Israel. Look, too, at the craven Catholic spokespersons for Obama. Catholic military officers are sending our boys and girls, many of them Scots Irish, to die in foreign wars that originate in our collaboration with Israel. And do note where the Catholic Church stands on mass immigration. Meanwhile, in Europe, how strong has the Catholic Church been of late as bulwark of European identity?

    Anglo Saxons (English and Scot Irish), organized into the Confederacy, were arguably the only group that has fought and died for American sovereignty since the Revolutionary War. All the other wars have been BS. And was it Anglo Saxons, or Irish Catholics, that successfully beat back the attempts to open up our borders in the 1920s? If I recall correctly from Professor MacDonald’s research, it was Anglo Saxons.

  18. GT's Gravatar GT
    August 21, 2011 - 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Somewhere a fool will consider the following to be anti-white:

    The wasp elite was jiu-jitsued. They short-sightedly ceded power for profit, selling the institutions that mattered without seriously considering the possibility of winding up on the bottom. Such thoughts would be unthinkable. For more than one thousand years the wasp elite had, after all, played the game of kicking the jews out and inviting them back at leisure. The wasp elite was undone by hubris. For survival reasons the principles KMac cite came to the fore only after they had realized that they had been had. “Let’s show them (the jews) we’re good losers” and all that bunk. Sounds good, doesn’t it, especially to the average wasp mind culturally trained to consider “good losership” sporting and honorable? To the ears of a jew it sounds sycophantic. The wasp elite don’t mind. The concept of honor was always secondary to them. What they know is good losers receive table scraps, just like the scraps given to Canaanite woman (whom Jesus and his disciples compared to a dog) in the book of Matthew. The sore loser doesn’t get any scraps. With jews on top the old elite simply realized that living well in hell is better than writing for TOO.

  19. cfgth's Gravatar cfgth
    August 21, 2011 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    @White Inferiorist:

    No, pal, not all of us are Wasps. Some of us despise them for centuries of undermining our broader ethny.

  20. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 21, 2011 - 5:33 pm | Permalink

    @Cary: “The label WASP was the creation of Andrew Hacker.”

    Sir: I believe it would be more accurate to describe Hacker as the popularizer rather than the coiner of the term. I have no hard evidence to hand, but I do have the word of a now deceased colleague of mine—a man, born in the late twenties and in grad school in the late forties, who committed multiple acts of sociology for a living—that “WASP” was widely, indeed routinely, used here in the States in learned educational and sociological journals of the immediate postwar period. Given that Hacker was never anything more than a scribbler who scrounged his ideas from the leavings of others, the notion that he could create anything as imaginative (however snidely meant) as the term “WASP” is something I gravely doubt.

  21. Anon2's Gravatar Anon2
    August 21, 2011 - 5:11 pm | Permalink


    I would add that the claim that the term WASP was first coined by an English-American of uncertain ancestry doesn’t contradict the proposition that the term’s entire function today is to advance the Anti-White Narrative in the minds of men, women, and children. This would be the case even if the Hacker genesis story were true and even if Hacker had been well-intentioned and independent of Zionist influence when he supposedly coined the phrase. (Both of these latter propositions may of course be open to doubt.)

    What matters is what meanings attach to the term today. In my understanding of its use, the term’s connotations in the dominant discourse are across-the-board negative: nepotism, lack of merit, racism, weakness, undeserved power, anti-Semitism, sclerotic. As goes the Anti-White Narrative, WASPs are mythical white Americans that had power and place in the country and who deserve their displacement and genocide.

  22. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    August 21, 2011 - 4:27 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    “@Steve: Ron Paul is 75. If he was anti-immigration he would be perfect, but he is for open borders apparently. I do think voting for Ron Paul in primaries sends a good message though, and I think a lot his positions are good. But if was elected, he would be 77 or 78 when he takes office – not gonna happen. And again, he’s for open borders.”

    As a libertarian, Ron Paul’s first act would be to shut off welfare benefits. You erase those magnets and the parasites will all jump off the host and go back home. That would leave Americans to figure out that if they want to eat, they will have to work at the market rate, ending that canard about there being jobs that Americans won’t do.

    Ron Paul does not have to come off like a vicious Antisemite when he proposes the elimination of all foreign aid to every country in the world, because “we can’t afford it.”

    The Usual Suspects hate him for this, of course, and will do everything they can do to shut him out of the Republican primary, but he is the last best hope for America not succumbing to another Hitler IMO.

  23. Cary's Gravatar Cary
    August 21, 2011 - 3:03 pm | Permalink

    The label WASP was the creation of Andrew Hacker, an English-American of uncertain ancestry, who hates the diverse white American peoples, and who used WASP to denigrate all of them. Born in 1929, he invented WASP in a 1957 publication.

    WASP is a racial, ethnic, national origin, and religious hate caricature along the lines of the acronym WEJ (white European Jew) designating the new ruling class.

    The “fall” of the leadership elements of the diverse white Americans was caused by the massive bloodshed of their best and brightest in the unnecessary WWI which led to WWII and the unnecessary conflicts in Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq, none of which served the interests of the diverse white Americans except to strip them of three successive generations of leadership. We don’t need any other explanations, except to inquire into the nature of the elements that led America into a century of warfare.

  24. Hasbara Matata's Gravatar Hasbara Matata
    August 21, 2011 - 2:49 pm | Permalink

    “New England Puritans and their smug culture of exclusion”

    Of course.

    Christianity is and has always been a sort of phony proxy Judaism, and virtually every major movement in Western History that tries to escape it still ends up contaminated– the Renaissance with its artwork of Humanized Biblical Figures and its ruthless mercantile class; the Protestant Reformation of terminal holy certitude and a fight against Roman authority leading to civil wars; the Enlightenment and its Universalist do-gooder rhetoric, even while rejecting Christian metaphysics; modern Atheism, which vigorously denounces Christianity to embrace Marxist (even more destructively kosher) universals; and even National Socialism, which KMD rightly recognizes as a sort of mock-Judaism for Aryans.

    “What is amazing is how long lasting many of these strategies/behavioral patterns indeed are. The Jacob and Esau story, is for example a wonderful analogy for what happened with the Facebook situation (and many others, including the “big picture”). The hilarious part is that those twins expected Summers, a co-ethnic to Mr. Facebook, to be even-handed or to even take their side. Truly, magnificently, and unforgivably naive on their part. There are countless numbers who have been ripped off in this way. Let them be awakened to the game being played against them.”

    A thousand times yes. Every Jew figures himself a Joseph in Egypt as well as a captive in Babylon. As young American boys might venerate him and dream of being, say, George Washington, Jews for two thousand years have patterned their psyches on all those Jews who lorded it over the Goyim, massacred the enemies of Israel and were subjected to the horrible sufferink. It’s what they are.

    Jewish Deconstructionists argue that the Self is a fiction– and indeed, for Jews, it is; it’s a whole Torah’s worth of fictions, made “real” by projecting whatever Goyim currently surround them into the role of villain. Without the Goyim actors as nemesis in their cyclical drama of insignificance-success-persecution, there is no reality for Jews.

  25. Baltasar Nordstrom's Gravatar Baltasar Nordstrom
    August 21, 2011 - 2:40 pm | Permalink

    I think one other reason for the disintegration of WASP society has to do with a fundamental impulse of Western civilization, to phrase what others elsewhere have said in a different way. Our roots go back to classical and pre-classical Greece, and in the classical Greece of the great philosohers like Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, there is a highly committed search for universal truths. Because truth has raditionally been considered to be universal in the sense of applying to everyone, the value and comprehension of certain particularities, like various ethnic cultures, has been given short shrift/secondary status at best. Hebrew culture has not been burdened with such a task. Rather, its Biblical origins specifically in essence make Hebrews themselves the truth in the sense of supposedly being God’s very own chosen people. This is laughable considering how these people are in real life, but continues to be a belief of many of the Hebrew cult. WASP society, because of its roots in a kind of universality, was thus utterly unprepared for the vicious assault by a people who care little for the search for universal truths. KM and others have said this in different ways, but I think the roots of the WASP fall can be traced back to ancient Greece.

  26. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    August 21, 2011 - 1:41 pm | Permalink

    @ed: You have raised some good and valid points ‘ed’.

    Yes, I wrote “with all due respect” in response to you earlier mainly because I was unfamiliar with your moniker, and wanted to avoid being misinterpreted as seeming harsh in my ‘judgment’ so to speak.

    Yes, I agree that accuracy is a valuable attribute. My past experience of TOO suggests most commenters contributing here value this attribute highly too, and seek it at every opportunity. Professor MacDonald has certainly succeeded in attracting an appealing cluster of article contributors and commenters, despite the occasional flying visit from noisy shysters like White Inferiorist. In a sane world, Prof-KMac would be publicly garlanded and given lifetime awards, etc.

    But, I am sure you will agree, it can be rather difficult to be consistently accurate. Especially when you seldom have the time to formulate your comments or responses to an academic-standard.

    Your originating question to Atheling peaked an inquisitive interest in me, so I was doubly motivated to find something that might shed reliable light upon the question of just how early Jews became (officially) involved in Europe’s slave trade.

    You wrote earlier:

    However, please note, none of your footnotes suggest that Jews first arrived in Europe as slave traders specifically.

    In fact the origins go much further back than Louis the Pious. The Roman Empire’s rapidly acquired hunger for large numbers of slaves gave an open invitation to its Jewish community to get involved. This they did with gusto, in part because of the ideology that passes for a ‘religion’ to which its members chain their existences.

    You should try to read the truly excellent work of Michael Hoffman if you wish to truly understand the inner workings of what is commonly called ‘Judaism’. He is the only researcher I know of who really investigates every sinew and corpuscle of the Talmud.

    Go to and search for Michael’s masterpiece: Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit. Here are the honest views of one reviewer of this 1,102 page book:

    As opposed to some of the ‘non-reviews’ posted on this book, I will actually review it from having knocked back this behemoth over my vacation week. Hoffman’s latest work eclipses everything he has done to date. When Hoffman says he has spent more than a decade researching the Talmud and historical Orthodox writers and writings, he is not kidding. The extensive footnoting and source material he quotes from and cites would take 10 years to digest, even if you were a full time student. Books this well documented are nominated for literary awards, as this one should be.

    What this book is: Orthodox sages and rabbis talking about God, other rabbis and their flocks, and non-Jews, in their own books. 99% of the Talmudic source material referred to comes from the works of the Talmudic sages and various grand Rebbes themselves. You get a sprinkling of quotes to major Israeli and American newspapers as well. Nothing this book refers to was culled from any non-Jewish source.

    What this book is not: Anti-Jewish, or an argument for any violence or maltreatment or legal restriction of or upon the Jewish community. If anything, when you read this work and realize what Talmudic tin gods really believe(d), you will rank the Talmud in a far worse category than Mein Kampf, or any other traditional ‘hate’ tract.

    It should come as no surprise to see a Jewish thread running through the entire history of slavery in Europe; starting in Rome but moving to Gaul (France) soon after. Not only did they wish to stay involved over the centuries due to the lucrative income it provided; but the subsequent elites that contested and periodically took control of the European landmass expected it of them, largely because they did not wish to dirty their own hands by having to get directly involved.

    Putting it another way. The Jews have made a handsome business from wiping the a*ses of Rome’s Caesars and Europe’s Kings ever since the days of Gaius Julius Caesar.

  27. Anon2's Gravatar Anon2
    August 21, 2011 - 12:02 pm | Permalink


    Interesting post. (And I also agree that accuracy is very important.)

  28. ed's Gravatar ed
    August 21, 2011 - 11:56 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    There is no reason to say, “in all do respect” as if simply asking for a footnote was on my part disrespectful. It was merely an honest question so that I would have a direction to go in my own research.

    I would say, however, that your quotes back the notion of Jews as a hostile elite that secured legal and economic privileges from the crown that were on net much more valuable than the “rights” which they were not allowed. The whole conventional story of it always did appear the case of peter rabbit and the briar patch (if you know the children’s story) and the more I read and learn the more I see it as true. We are supposed to believe that being banned from the backbreaking work of farming (and similar) was a great disadvantage, and supposedly “only” being able to make a living as tax farmers, usurers, etc was some great disadvantage. The entire “story” is ridiculous on its face with just a moment of critical examination. Amazingly, getting to “that moment of critical examination” is what is the hard part, both when considering history and in our current situation. But once that moment has passed ones eyes are forever opened.

    However, please note, none of your footnotes suggest that Jews first arrived in Europe as slave traders specifically. I only point it out because for the benefit of all, I think it best to be as accurate as possible as many readers here do look for clues or information on which to build understanding and knowledge.

    I myself, on discovering this line of inquiry, have found good insight in as basic a source as a rereading of the old testament. What is amazing is how long lasting many of these strategies/behavioral patterns indeed are. The Jacob and Esau story, is for example a wonderful analogy for what happened with the Facebook situation (and many others, including the “big picture”). The hilarious part is that those twins expected Summers, a co-ethnic to Mr. Facebook, to be even-handed or to even take their side. Truly, magnificently, and unforgivably naive on their part. There are countless numbers who have been ripped off in this way. Let them be awakened to the game being played against them.

  29. iboTTs's Gravatar iboTTs
    August 21, 2011 - 11:19 am | Permalink

    @Rehmat: I thought Pike was attacking Duke because Pike thinks Duke wants an ALL White nation. Whereas Pike permits SOME non-Whites to remain. Also, Duke, technically, isn’t denying the holocaust, the EVIDENCE IS denying the holocaust. And all the ADL’s doing is shooting the messenger.

  30. August 21, 2011 - 10:01 am | Permalink

    All of us are WASPs including Kevin MacDonald.

    The WASP was and still is now the “Dominant Minority” of the entire world, the term coined by the British philosopher Arnold Toynbee. The Dominant Minority, according to Toynbee, is a feature of every successful civilization in history where the masses in that civilization try to emulate the values of the Dominant Minority without being forced to do so. In fact, Toynbee who identified himself as a WASP, is a descendant of Danish invaders to England about a thousand years ago and is not an Anglo Saxon which is what the AP in WASP stands for. Likewise Kevin McDonald, who comes from a Catholic family, identifies himself also as a WASP. Apparently he falsifies the truth and will say anything to blame “The Jews” for this or that.

    The point is that most, or a large portion of white Americans including German Americans, Irish Americans, Scandinavian Americans, and yes, including some American Jews, emulate WASP values, intermarry with WASPs and therefore identify themselves as WASP. Therefore, it is ridiculous to assert the WASPs “committed suicide” or that they were “murdered” (by “The Jews”) as McDonald proclaims. Apparently MacDonald is just like many before him, such as Eustace Clarence Mullins, Jr., Mel Gibson and Charlie Sheen who were driven to madness by “The Jews” and/or are after “The Jews” once they became mad….

  31. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    August 21, 2011 - 9:07 am | Permalink

    There are some very incisive postings on this thread, especially Greg’s.

  32. Ex-Pro White Activist's Gravatar Ex-Pro White Activist
    August 21, 2011 - 8:09 am | Permalink


    Hear, hear!

  33. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    August 21, 2011 - 7:14 am | Permalink

    A Name , what about JEEPS : Jewish Ethno Elitist Promotionalists …… Doesn’t quite have the right bight .
    Still JAPS in JEEPS is something to shoot for .

  34. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    August 21, 2011 - 3:23 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon: Erratum. Opening line of my comment is missing a couple of words, and should thereby read: The following extracts are from materials already in the public domain …

    For your infinite enjoyment and inspiration. Please turn up your volume, listen to the song’s lyrics carefully, and thank ‘God’ you are blessed with European genes:

  35. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    August 21, 2011 - 3:13 am | Permalink

    @ed: The following extracts from already in the public domain might satisfy your request for “evidence or a footnote”. The bolded emphases and [inserts] are mine.


    After the Christianization of Rome.

    From the advent of Constantine, Jewish rights became more and more limited, and their disabilities increased. The state became Christian in character, and legislation in support of the state Church and in opposition to the Jews, who would not accept the new religion, became common. The thought that Jews might lawfully give orders to Christians became hateful to the latter, and hence, beginning in 404, it was decided that Jews could not hold public office. Their judicial autonomy was also reduced. The law sought to prevent the Jews from spreading their religion to the detriment of Christianity, by forbidding, under heavy penalties, the building of new synagogues; it forbade a Jew to marry a Christian woman, to convert free Christians, or to keep Christian slaves. The law also endeavored to encourage conversion from Judaism, particularly offensive being provisions forbidding Jewish parents to disinherit, in whole or in part, their converted children. Intercourse between Jew and Christian was also discouraged by law. Jews and heretics were made incompetent to testify against Christians, and offensive special Jewish oaths were prescribed.

    In Teutonic lands Jews came to be regarded, in theory at least, as aliens outside the law of the various nations among whom they lived, and as such were entitled only to those rights which the king, by special grant, might choose to confer upon them, individually or collectively. Without such grants they were outside the law. No “Wehrgeld” could be exacted from the slayer when they were unlawfully killed, and the king could at any time lawfully appropriate their possessions. Accordingly they acquired from time to time special grants from the crown, some of which, dating back to the era of Charlemagne, have been handed down to us. In these, as a matter of favor merely, or in return for a consideration, they acquired rights which, in certain particulars, might be greater or less than those enjoyed by their non-Jewish compatriots.

    And here is an extract from ~
    The Jews of France: A History from Antiquity to the Present
    by Esther Benbassa {Translated from the French by M. B. DeBevoise}
    ~ which contradicts the quote above (taken from the Jewish Encyclopaedia) in some important details:

    From the fifth century, following the example of the Byzantines (then known as “Syrians”), the Jews developed commercial activities on an international scale, operating by land and by sea. These two groups had the upper hand in Mediterranean commerce. After the defeat at Poitiers, this commerce passed in part under the domination of the Jews. They exported slaves, furs, and silk manufactures to Italy, Spain, and the Levant, and imported to Gaul spices, balsam, garum, dates, brocades, and precious metals. The crossroads of this luxury trade were located in the Meuse and at Narbonne. These traders could be found even in Paris, on the Île de la Cité, near the forecourt of Notre Dame today.


    As in the Merovingian period, they continued to benefit from Roman law. They were not foreigners, but free men—albeit men whose liberty was circumscribed. They enjoyed the privilege of self-rule according to Jewish law and customs in exchange for a fee. They could own slaves, and import them [AS: into Europe] from abroad, but in principle [AS: Principle? Yeah, sure thing!?*?] they did not have the right to sell them in other countries.

    And what follows next are some interesting and valuable insights by an individual, working under his own steam. See:
    Kjersti Wasiak, Yahoo! Contributor Network, Jan 18, 2007

    The Carolingian rulers valued the European Jews as traders. This led to Louis the Pious’s policy towards European Jews that created the best conditions that the Jews of Europe ever lived under. Under the policy the Carolingian Jews were protected by the state and even gained some political power. The acceptance of Jews by the state allowed the Jews to be well integrated into society. The policy led to enraged Christian clergy. What enraged the Christian clergy the most was Louis the Pious’s declaring that markets should not be held on Saturday, but were to be permitted on Sunday. This policy that allowed Carolingian Jews to have influence on Carolingian Christians led to the call of separation of the Jews and Christians by Christian clergy, such as Archbishop Agobard of Lyon.

    Under Louis the Pious, Jews were not allowed to own Christian slaves, but they were allowed to employ free Christian labors. Agobard of Lyon disapproved of Christians being paid domestics because he feared Christian women would celebrate the Sabbath with Jews, work on Sundays, eat with Jews during Lent, and eat meat on days of abstinence.

    The Carolingian Jews were allowed to purchase ‘pagan’ slaves [AS: The irony here is that Judaism itself is predicated on paganism ~ the worship of Saturn]. They could refuse to have such slaves converted to Christianity and could even circumcise and convert them to Judaism.

    Christian clergy, such as Agobard, called for separation between Jews and Christians in Carolingian Europe. Agobard stated that no Christian should buy meats sacrificed and butchered by Jews and sell them to other Christians. Christians should also not drink Jewish wine.

    Further reading see: Leonard B. Glick, Abraham’s Heirs: Jews and Christians in Medieval Europe (Syracuse: Syracuse UP, 1999).

    “Louis the Pious” reigned from 778 to 840 AD.

    With all due respect ‘Ed’ … I would suggest the above extracts and quotes, when taken in the round, entirely vindicate Atheling’s earlier assertion. He is correct.

  36. Rich Pearson's Gravatar Rich Pearson
    August 21, 2011 - 2:24 am | Permalink

    The Second Klan was basically a Freemasonic organization; they fell due to very “mafia” like corruption involved criminal activities. The “real Freemasons” seems to have started their decline when the blood oath was enforced on some academic who wrote a “tell all” type book. Half the Freemasons resigned; evidently most didn’t really approve of the “organized crime” aspect any longer. And once the secrecy was broken, the Freemasons quickly started fading to irrelevance.

    Freemasons were the core group of the American military officer corp probably until the 1980s.

  37. Rich Pearson's Gravatar Rich Pearson
    August 21, 2011 - 2:12 am | Permalink

    The reason everyone can’t get their head around “WASPs” is because they aren’t allowed to talk about the reality of the (former) American elites. They weren’t “WASPs” as much as they were Freemasons.

    Isn’t it interesting that the same taboos about discussing Jewish power (“anti-semitic conspiracy theories”) applies to discussing Freemasonry? In discussions with Jews, I have found they reflexively defend Freemasons, and in fact identify with them as victims of “conspiracy theories.”

    They key to understanding Freemasonry is the degree system; it’s very much like the compartmentalization of knowledge characteristic of an intelligence agency or military unit. It’s not surprising that CIA etc. traditionally recruited from WASPy and Masonic inspired fraternities like Yale’s Skull & Bones. Part of the mythology of Freemasonry seems to be that “enlightenment frees you from original sin” and there seems to be a taboo-breaking function as well – very much a respectable face on Sunday after attending the orgies Saturday night. Ben Franklin perhaps is the prototype.

    Back in the old days, there was a gang initiation and a literal “blood oath” that was at least occasionally enforced. It was the WASP Mafia. Sometimes it looks like a sort of Judaized paganism. Calvinist/Protestant Christianity seems to have devolved into this at some point.

  38. August 21, 2011 - 1:57 am | Permalink

    To his credit, I believe the social intercourse above is exactly the kind of frank discussion Weiss was probing for in his post on the mindset of his WASP relation, but that he didn’t receive, and will never receive, from his generally left-wing, politically correct (other than Zionism) Jewish and liberal followers.

    You see, the modern intellectual Jew, on certain levels, still craves unadulterated truth, as did his biblical forbears; but when truth is delivered, he shrinks from its meaning and consequences, and crawls back down into his rat hole.

    That’s a very post-God reaction, and one to which probably all atheists and pseudo-religious are prone.

    The Jews, apparently, are still a barometer, but no longer for Godliness, but rather the lack thereof.

  39. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    August 21, 2011 - 12:18 am | Permalink

    Dark Henry you have got me wrong. This was not an accusation, just a speculation regarding Protestantism generally. And you would be write to speculate that those areas where FreeThinking protestants lived my well have ended up the most decadent, as they experimented to confirm or refute their socialized programing. I consider much of what the 60’s did was good but then ‘screw balls’ eg –G Greer [daddy I never knew you] were promoted into the drivers seat.

    An initially good idea was then taken to extreme and held there for 40 years. I think this was done intentionally to kick a hole in society–Multiculturalism and the disempowerment of the Unified Ethnic Group being the final destination–of these scheming Overlords .

    Of course our enemies would say this is conspiracy thinking but the ‘program’ could have been changed at any point along the way if those in control of the Media & Fashion had re-promoted romantic love & showed the result of single parent families but they didn’t want to as it would seem that MC is a part of the NWO program –The powerless citizens ruled by demi-gods through a hierarchy of brainwashed technicians –University Trained products of those 40 years, people for whom ‘reason’ has been eradicated by obsessional indoctrination. Those who won’t submit will not be allowed to qualify.

  40. anon2's Gravatar anon2
    August 20, 2011 - 11:46 pm | Permalink

    @tadzio wrote:

    “We have …. And a war under our belt too.” -Weiss.

    And what war is that? If there is one area that Jews are outstandingly deficient it is in willingness to contribute to the defense of the society on which they have attached themselves.

    I believe Weiss is referring to the invasion of Iraq. By “war under our belt,” I believe he intends to say that Jews have now engineered/created a U.S. war (Iraq), just as someone else previously in power engineered a prior U.S. war (Vietnam). I don’t believe he is saying that Jews have fought a war, so to speak.

    I honestly don’t have a sense of whether he would agree or disagree with your view that Jews have borne a disproportionately small burden when it comes to participation in combat. Try asking him.

    In light of recent comments from others, I’ll repeat that I think Weiss is deserving of more friendly, charitable treatment. (Although revelations here that he has banned what appear to be polite, if controversial, commenters, do not give me confidence.) Weiss is still, I think, very much pursuing an education in seeing the world a different way. He may be a work in progress. In other words, he’s probably still on a journey and learning. (In saying that, I do not intend to imply that my own education or journey is complete or satisfactory.)

    A somewhat related side observation about Weiss: He, somewhat bizarrely, seems to believe that Jewish influence in the United States is a recent, modern phenomenon. Perhaps one could interpret his comment about the Iraq war as an example of that. Such a belief seems counterfactual. Is Weiss not aware of the immense influence that Louis Brandeis had with Woodrow Wilson, or that the Zionists had with the British Empire in the 1910s? Or the near success that Jewish groups had in crafting our nation’s immigration laws in the 1920s? Is he not aware of possibly significant Jewish pressure to get the United States into the Second World War? (A review of the Charles Lindbergh story might be a starting point for research in that area.) Or Jewish success in passing the 1965 Immigration Act? Or Jewish groups’ significant contribution to the Civil Rights movement?

    He and others (for example, exponents of the WASP Myth) write as though Jews have had no significant influence in American society, politics, or economy except in say the past 30-50 years. This conflicts with my admittedly superficial and spotty knowledge of American history, which indicates strong and active Jewish participation in American life, in the North and the South, going back at least to the 18th Century. But such participation would undermine the Zionist Victim Narrative, of which the WASP Myth is a strand.

  41. ed's Gravatar ed
    August 20, 2011 - 10:57 pm | Permalink

    The in-law almost certainly did not ask this question.

    For whatever reason, Weiss wanted to discuss the decline of elite Wasp culture, and for some other reason, he did not feel comfortable discussing the matter in such frank terms without at first pretending the topic had been unwittingly thrust upon him.

    Given, he savors contemplating the shift in power. Yet if there is not some other motive it most certainly suggests a psychological weakness or error on his part.

  42. August 20, 2011 - 10:10 pm | Permalink

    @ Tom
    I agree with your assessment of Protestantism that was/should be. Originally, Luther wanted Reform not separation. Calvin and Knox, on the other hand had over-arching political ambitions.
    With respect to Catholicism, I believe that it had been infiltrated by Jews well before Luther’s time. His criticisms were directed at, what can be described as, the racketeering aspects of Catholicism. It should be remembered that true Christians, Protestant or Catholic, would find the current banking system abhorrent. In Luther’s time, the Roman church had a stranglehold on banking and commerce, just as Jews do today. Undoubtedly, Jews encouraged Luther, as typically, they play both ends against the middle.
    I would add to Tom’s comment, that the “old” religion and culture of Northern Europeans was very much based on honour and taking responsibility for one’s actions. This runs through Beowolf and the Icelandic Eddas. What Tom describes – every man is his own priest, and has to make his own peace with God – is a natural extension of the “old”.

    Jews on the other hand do not take responsibility. They are professional victims. They have little or no honour, the Kol Nidre gives them free licence to be dishonourable, and they pursue this with great vigour outside the tribe.

  43. ed's Gravatar ed
    August 20, 2011 - 9:54 pm | Permalink


    “Jews entered Europe as slavetraders because their first impulse is aggression. ”

    Could you provide evidence or a footnote for this statement?

  44. August 20, 2011 - 9:21 pm | Permalink


    They’ll never make me stand with Israel.



  45. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 20, 2011 - 9:20 pm | Permalink

    @me: Do Jews really believe this “meritocracy” stuff? They most certainly do . . . so long as they get to define meritocracy, that is. In practice, of course, any Jewish-dominated field, institution, or enterprise is described by them as meritocratic, whereas any of the few they don’t yet dominate is described as bigoted and anti-Semitic.

    If there are any exceptions to this characterization, I’d be glad to hear of them.

  46. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    August 20, 2011 - 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Dr. David Duke has gained many enemies for various reasons. Rev. Pike is upset with David Duke because whosoever, associates himself with Muslims – destroys Christians’ fight against Jews. Pike has been criticizing Mark Glenn for his association with Muslims too.

    On the other hand, ADL is pissed-off because David Duke attended the 2006 Tehran Holocaust Conference and denied Nazis killing six million jews.

  47. tadzio's Gravatar tadzio
    August 20, 2011 - 8:04 pm | Permalink

    “We have …. And a war under our belt too.” -Weiss.

    And what war is that? If there is one area that Jews are outstandingly deficient it is in willingness to contribute to the defense of the society on which they have attached themselves.

    There is a reason why the US government does not make public the religious breakdown of the armed services. The Lobby. It claims that anti-Semites will make use of facts.

    There is no other demographic that so conspicuously fails its civic duty.

  48. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    August 20, 2011 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    “No one has given us a name”

    In the title of one of his essays, David Duke said it should be called “the Political, Financial and Media – Zionist Complex!”

  49. August 20, 2011 - 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Some commenters raised the question whether Weiss can be trusted or not. Maybe this will shed a little light.

    Back before I was banned from Mondoweiss by Weiss for criticizing his pro-Obamunist activism and and stereotyping Whites in solidarity with Andrew Sullivans defense of Obamunism, I remember Weiss writing something that seemed to be sent my direction along the lines that Weiss was giving up his Jewish religion so he expected good will, and even expected others (Christians in particular) to match him by decrying their own religions.

    What I didn’t say it at the time, but thought later, is that Weiss isn’t really giving up anything, because he isn’t dropping the organized Jewish racket, merely seeking to morph it back into something resembling Judeo-Bolshevism.

    “Liberal” Jews can decry Zionism and even Zionist Jewry all they want, but unless they’re willing to drop their state-centered or state-utilizing, self-serving ethno-Jewish political rackets, and 99% of them aren’t, then they aren’t really changing their ways, and don’t deserve good will in return.

    I would say Weiss probably deserves a “thank you” for providing honest insight and discussion as to how his tribe operates, and for challenging the veil of silence over any negative discussion of Jewry, but then he blows it by engaging in leftist politics with other leftist Jews.

    Until they drop their political ethno-racketeering entirely, even anti-Zionist Jews don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt in other areas.

  50. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    August 20, 2011 - 6:31 pm | Permalink

    “No one has given us a name”

    Dan Quayle’s term “cultural elite” comes to mind.

  51. me's Gravatar me
    August 20, 2011 - 6:28 pm | Permalink

    @Rehmet, i would agree about Chomsky running loyal opposition but not Weiss. He is pretty critical and honest about the hows and whys of israel.

    The only ‘problem’ with Weiss is the self deceipt about the meritocracy.

  52. iboTTs's Gravatar iboTTs
    August 20, 2011 - 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Good read, and good links, Professor. I wanted to read your thing about the left but the Site’s down for re-design.

    Those liberals who are philosophical about the White race being displaced (undemocratically) never fail to anger me!

    And understanding why they do it–individualism; selfishness, culture of guilt; altruistic punishment, or just careerist traitors–is interesting, but still, I detest them greatly, and can’t forgive them.


    Did you read this: Ted Pike attacking David Duke.

    With friends like Ted, who needs enemies!

  53. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    August 20, 2011 - 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Philip Weiss like Dr. Noam Chomsky, is ‘Crypto-Zionist’. Both of them love to criticized the US and Zionist regime – but cannot digest the fact that Jewish occupation of Arab lands is against all moral and international laws.

    I had commented on MondoWeiss a few weeks – but my criticism of Israel and Judaism was two much for Philip Weiss to digest. So I was banned on the site.

    Both WASP and Judaism are fighting for their survival. The first one is using White Supremaism for survival – while the later has adopted Holocaust as a religion for survival.

  54. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 20, 2011 - 5:59 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Pierre, if by WASP we mean the New England Yankee archetype, then I really don’t have any family or personal friends with that background. Given the extensive migration of people inside the US over the last few decades, it is amazing I don’t know any. Are they dying out that fast? I know of a couple of Irishmen from the North, but they are generally non-WASPy in temperament. I know a few other so-called “ethnic Whites” from up North (Polish, Italian), but I can’t think of a single true WASP at the moment.

    Of course, I know tons of people that are technically Anglo-Saxon Protestants (e.g. Southern Baptists) but they are not the same general type as the WASP. By the way, I am agnostic on the use of the term WASP. I don’t doubt that it was originally a pejorative acronym, but it seems fairly harmless and it does designate a certain type of people. But I’ll go along with the majority on this one; as long as most Whites use it, I’m okay with it.

  55. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 20, 2011 - 5:42 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: I recently picked this book (Albion’s Seed) up from a bookstore based on the recommendations here. It’s a fascinating read! It really does open your eyes to the four main strains of British culture that came to America and settled here (Puritans, Virginians, Delaware and the Backcountry) and how they still influence events today.

    This book is over 700 pages long, so it’s a thick book. It’s also $35, but luckily I had a nice discount coupon. If your local Barnes and Noble has it you can browse the book or maybe your library has one. I am still going through it (a lot of material), but it reads faster than I would have thought, because it is laid out so logically in easily digestible sections. And the exposition of early folkways and beliefs is fascinating. You see how ancient supernatural beliefs held in Britain for centuries were carried to the US.

    One example: Among the Backcountry people in the US (descended from Northern Britain) it was customary at funerals for everyone to come touch the dead body, because long ago their ancestors had believed that if a murderer touched the body of his victim, it would begin to bleed. Anyone that refused to touch the body was suspect!

    It’s hard not to walk away from this book with a strong belief in the enduring power of genetics. Of course, culture plays a strong role, but the same attitudes toward marriage, sex, religion, and politics have endured for centuries among these various peoples.

  56. Felix Grubel's Gravatar Felix Grubel
    August 20, 2011 - 5:38 pm | Permalink

    @Pilgrims Pride:

    I have enjoyed reading most of your comments up until now, but you wrote:

    At the same time, Hester Prynne’s suffering in Hawthorn’s “The Scarlet Letter” was V-O-L-U-N-T-A-R-Y and also needless: she was in truth married to the father of her daughter but believed respect for the law and protection of her husband’s secret identity were more important than her personal suffering.

    My suggestion is that you go back and reread The Scarlett Letter or simply review a summary on the internet. The Reverend Mr. Arthur Dimmesdale was the father of Hester’s child, and her husband was Roger Chillingworth, who attached himself to the ailing Mr. Dimmesdale as his physician.

  57. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 20, 2011 - 5:00 pm | Permalink

    @me: I would say it is exceedingly easy to believe things that either serve your perceived self-interest or provide moral cover for whatever action you desire to take. So, I imagine Jews find it convenient hold these beliefs and have no motivation to examine them beyond the superficial.

  58. Greg's Gravatar Greg
    August 20, 2011 - 4:59 pm | Permalink

    @Pilgrims Pride:

    You are describing pre 19th Century Puritans and Protestants. If they had kept the huddled masses out, and done all that you describe, maybe they wouldn’t be in this mess. That however, is not the case anymore. You are describing an entirely different people with an entirely different mindset from what they eventually turned themselves into. New England is still a great place to live on the whole, but the New Englanders are not reproducing, have given up, and are allowing immigrants in just like everyone else now.

  59. Pilgrims Pride's Gravatar Pilgrims Pride
    August 20, 2011 - 4:10 pm | Permalink


    Something never mentioned about the New England Puritans and their “smug” culture of exclusion:









    Puritan immigration standards were explicit, exacting, and enforced on pain of death. (Read about their concept of “freeman”.)

    To live in New England, while the Puritans retained control, one had to be kin and of good character. Bachelors were probationary and subject to deportation. Businessmen were held to shockingly obvious standards of behavior, subject to deportation. Return to a village without lawful authority meant corporal punishment including hanging.

    At the same time, Hester Prynne’s suffering in Hawthorn’s “The Scarlet Letter” was V-O-L-U-N-T-A-R-Y and also needless: she was in truth married to the father of her daughter but believed respect for the law and protection of her husband’s secret identity were more important than her personal suffering.

    Who here can complain of this and be ideologically consistent with the notion of self-determination?

    Puritans were exceedingly family orientated. That means genetics.

    They were exceedingly community orientated. That means strict laws that benefit their communal survival at the expense of the individual.

    They were exceedingly worried about dilution. That means they defended their land with deadly force.

    They were exceedingly successful by all material measure. That means the Huddled Masses and Wretched Refuse were sure to follow as ants follow the crumbs to the picnic.

    Those that despise the Puritan Americans (and the very name belongs to them in truth and sociological fact) do so in envy and self-loathing. This is evident by observing their rival cultures and their solutions to practical problems. Especially with respect to the Scots-Irish (whom I respect – I married one), their answer to all problems is simple: Kill it.

    Beside all that, they sailed an ocean in leaky, rickety, diseased ships to a cold, primitive wilderness full of savage Indians to be rid of your ancestors. What more do you expect from a people????

    Plus ca change plus la meme chose.

  60. Pilgrims Pride's Gravatar Pilgrims Pride
    August 20, 2011 - 3:54 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    You needed discover Fischer to see the inevitability of the civil war. Read Tocqueville. He thought the South and its slave culture would be the destruction of “America” as a phenomenon.

    He was correct.

  61. me's Gravatar me
    August 20, 2011 - 3:49 pm | Permalink

    One has to wonder about this ‘meritocracy’ stuff.. do jews really believe it? Does Weiss?? and using Elanor Kagan as an example? That’s a sick joke.

  62. me's Gravatar me
    August 20, 2011 - 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Funny he should say that about art and science, jewish science is often politicized pseudo science (Boas, Freud Stephen Jay Gould) where Samuel Morton, EO Wilson and the likes were actual ‘scientists’ in the sense that their ideas and discoveries related to the physical world.
    And the Apollo program? Don’t recall many Leobowitzes involved, if someone had a german name it was probably a V2 scientist we snagged.

    Art? Jews have done more to destroy art – the soul of our culture, than any other ethnic group in western history.
    look at the founding members of the NY Metropolitan Museum of Art, or the American Museum of Natural History. and as L Darkmoon points out, real visual artists, like Hopper or Sargent, were never jewish

  63. Pilgrims Pride's Gravatar Pilgrims Pride
    August 20, 2011 - 3:43 pm | Permalink


    The term “WASP” is obvious to anyone familiar with military nomenclature of general-to-specific:

    “Male, White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant.”

    “Vehicle, wheeled, general purpose.”

    Of course, without such exposure and with today’s fashionable if unpoetical pseudo-scientific pedantry, it seems merely a redundancy.

  64. me's Gravatar me
    August 20, 2011 - 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Great analysis. Much of this is ‘old hat’ for KM readers, but this phrase stood out The bloodless (so far) coup
    When Bolsheviks took over Russia they started out violent, this time around they did things gradually, but I believe the violence will come. You can’t have the rage, hostility and hatred that Jews harbor in their hearts for us, a hatred that manifests itself in movies, books, articles, and even ‘scientific’ and historical research that pretty much affirms their beliefs that they are utterly blameless and we are utterly evil, and not eventually act on it. After years of seizing power and control and getting their way on nearly everything, to the point where a waitress who writes ‘jew’ on the tab is investigated by the FBI, they show no sign of abating their hatred..

    I am Anglo, Saxon, Protestant, and would have been considered the elite that PW writes about. While I indeed blame the jewish elite for being patently dishonest about their intentions and still at least, publicly maintaining this facade, many WASPs have taken it on themselves to either be willfully ignorant, or turn self flagellation into a secular religion.

  65. Pilgrims Pride's Gravatar Pilgrims Pride
    August 20, 2011 - 3:39 pm | Permalink


    Please speak for yourself, monsieur. You would do well to remember that an adjective is placed deliberately to distinguish the nuanced meaning from the unmodified noun it precedes. S’il vous plait, respect to your evening’s companions and take them at their word, not (mis) interpreting according to one’s own prejudice.

  66. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 20, 2011 - 3:37 pm | Permalink

    @Atheling: You are right, I was wrong about Ron Paul’s position on immigration. He is for protecting the border and he is for ending birthright citizenship. My impression is that most prominent libertarians have a very liberal view of immigration (let ’em all in), but Ron Paul seems to be a realist on that count.

  67. Old Glory's Gravatar Old Glory
    August 20, 2011 - 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of New York City, has anyone passed through Brooklyn lately? That has be judaized – a makeover so to speak (all things art, multiculturalism, etc.) although note that they’ve always been there…..There are two things concerning the jew that you can be certain of: 1) They worship the dollar 2) They will continue to take until something is done about it.

  68. Greg's Gravatar Greg
    August 20, 2011 - 3:23 pm | Permalink


    Take a ride on a New York subway and there are Jewish lawyers lining the subway ads, promising to make you a legal immigrant, promising to sue anyone they can get their fingers around, and generally subvert every last thing they can for a nickel. I was sitting next to a few Jewish people in a restaurant, and they were all talking about this personal injury lawyer (I’m guessing also Jewish) one of their Jewess’s should see about a foot she claimed was broken by a masseuse massaging her foot too hard. To top it off, she is an avid runner. That did not stop them from salivating over a chance to wring a few dollars out of someone who…probably did not break her foot.

    Every time I interact with a Jew, I am immediately reminded that they are almost universally the same. I could go on with a million anecdotes, but they are walking talking stereotypes of themselves. And in New York, you should see when a group of them gets together, they are the biggest bunch of supremacists you will ever meet. Ironically, if they heard a group of White people talking in the same manner about their race, they would be the first to cry “racist” first chance they got.

  69. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    August 20, 2011 - 3:22 pm | Permalink

    It never ceases to amaze me how little Roman Catholics know about Protestantism, and even more amazing is the ignorance of members of so-called “Christian” churches of Protestantism.

    First, the authority accepted by Protestants is the New Testament. The Old Testament only counts if it teaches a moral lesson—this is what the Protestant reformers taught. They were interested in what Christ and his early followers had to say. The Old Testament was a backup book. A lot of Christians who think they are Protestants don’t get this either.

    Second, the only thing necessary for Salvation is faith/belief in Jesus Christ. You cannot work your way into heaven. We are human beings, and we will do the wrong thing, no matter how hard we try to do the right thing.

    Last, every man is his own priest, and has to make his own peace with God. No Priests, no Bishops, no Popes, no Nuns, no Cardinals.

    I wrote an earlier simpler version of this reply to my Catholic & “Christian” friends.

  70. Dark Henry's Gravatar Dark Henry
    August 20, 2011 - 2:57 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:
    I am aware of E.M. Jones works. The Jewish Revolucionary Spirity is a good summary of the actions and influence of jewry for the last 20 centuries. As for Jones not being an “objective historian”, well, the fact is that by definition an “objective historian” is an oxymoron. Simply because nobody is a robot-like creature. All I ask from anybody who writes history is not to “objectively” lie. For example most part of the official history of WWII is an objective lie. I never met or read an objective historian, it is a mythological being. In fact those who call themselves “objective” are the most hypocrites and pharisees (think in the New York Times). Jones does not lie, you may agree with his intrepretation or not, be he goes to the sources (most of them indeed Jewish writers starting with Flavio Josefo in Roman times, precisely to avoid being attacked as “non-objective historian”). The Jewish Rev Spirit has about 100 pages of references, citations and notes.
    I am afraid that most Protestans have indeed been judaized, they just don’t know it. For example, pay attention to Calvin’s concepts on predestination. Look at the liturgy, or what is left of it, of Protestant services. If you visit places like Flanders, The Netherlands, England, and other places in Europe you will find a lot of churches with decapited statues, ruined murals, and worse thanks to the iconoclasts, a hyper-judaized movement that wanted to destroy religious imagery becuase the OT says so, or rather their interpretation of the OT says so.
    And then there are the Protestants who do know they are judaized and are happy with it. They celebrate the fact. They are called “born-again christians”, and other permutations of Evangelicals, very popular in the USA. They are the useful idiots of the Jews. They have the dual-covenant bullshit theory, etc, etc. They wish they were Jews. Yes, Protestantism is a judaization of Christianity.
    After the World Defeat that was WWII, “derrota mundial” as the title of Mexican historian S. Borrego goes (a good book to understand WWII and its consequences), the Roman Catholic Church suffered huge pressures from the winners of the war to become judaized too. In this context you have to understand the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s. Its spirit and application were/are judazing. We are still feeling the effects of it.
    In any case the (successful) movements to judaize the RC Church from within are relatively new, because before the 1960s the Church held his grown (theologically, doctrinally, liturgically). On the other hand the process of judaization of protestantism starts with protestantism itself back in the early XVI century. There were previous judaizing trends, but they were not successful.

  71. Den's Gravatar Den
    August 20, 2011 - 2:44 pm | Permalink

    @Dark Henry: As a youth (1980’s) I attended Dutch Reformed church on Sundays and Wednesdays, and a private school during the week which was associated with the Baptist church. In neither of these places did I hear anything which was pro-Israel or pro-jew. Judaism was portrayed consistently as an evil religion, descended from the Pharisees. We were told that salvation was by faith alone, and that our good deeds would flow naturally from that faith; jews, on the other hand, believed they could simply do good deeds, and what they believed in their heart did not matter. We were supposed to pity them, and pray for them. Was I involved, coincidentally, with the only two congregations who taught such things?

  72. Old Glory's Gravatar Old Glory
    August 20, 2011 - 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Maybe a little off topic here but I work in the banking industry and have worked in this field for the past 10 years. I remember some time ago, to my astonishment, looking at the list of my clients (in this particular case hedge funds) and making the astute observation that 23 out 25 of the fund managers (or CEOs) were jewish (the obvious – names such as weinstein, goldberg, goldfarb – you get the picture). Also, just finishing an MBA degree, I could not help but notice than every college textbook is tied to a Jewish author (or publisher) – once again…to my amazement…

  73. mari's Gravatar mari
    August 20, 2011 - 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Jews were not just out to destroy those who they termed the WASP elite. They were just as ferocious against the Catholics. I think that back in Europe the Jews were in the words of Churchill re the Germans, “either at your feet or at your throat.”

    The E. European communist Jews who arrived starting 1880 were accustomed to presiding over millions of Catholic serfs, farm laborers and factory slaves.

    They arrived in America and were confronted with the Roman Catholic school system which turned out millions of skilled businesspeople, college grads, Drs, lawyers, judges and civil servants who had passed rigorous merit exams.

    I am old enough to have lived through both the merit exam and college admissions in youth and affirmative action in my 30’s. I attended a half Jewish suburban school. The Jews all thought they were the intellectual elite. Our school prided itself on sending 95 percent to college. The Jews were shocked, shocked I tell you when the SATs came out and so many of us Catholics and wasps had much higher scores than the Jews. Remember, this was long before SAT prep courses. In fact we were told that studying for the SATs was impossible because the test was designed for potential, not remembering facts.

    When all we Catholics took the merit civil service exams and scored something like #7 out of one thousand test takers, the Jews could not believe it.

    With the crowded baby boom job market the Jews realized that if they could bring in affirmative action they could
    prevent qualified Catholics and WASPS from getting decent jobs. The Jews of course sent most of their baby boomers to law school after which they spent their careers
    filing lawsuits and as Judges rendering Judgements that made it practically illegal to hire anyone but an asian, hispanic or black.

    My children went to Catholic grade school and then to a rigorous suburban public high school. The Catholic grade school education was so good that they were able to basically sleep through high school and still get good grades. They did have to study algebra 2 and trigonometry a bit, but that was the only effort they had to make.

    At one time I had a list of all the attorneys involved in the affirmative action lawsuits including of course those who filed friend of the court briefs. With all the appeals and counsel for co plaintiffs and hundreds of friend of the court briefs there were hundreds of attorneys involved in each affirmative action case.

    90 percent of the affirmative action attorneys are Jews. I did not count maybe German, maybe Jewish names like Kaufmann and Becker, only the Steins and Golds and Silvers and Rosens.

    Remember that; 90 percent of the affirmative action attorneys are Jews.

  74. August 20, 2011 - 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Jewry has exploited the post-Holocaust good will the two immediate post-WWII generations of WASPs (the Silent Generation and the Boomers) were stupid, weak and corrupt enough to grant them, to the absolute maximum.

    But I’ve also always sensed there was something innately corrupt and degenerate about the “leadership” of those generations as well, something innately defective. Think Cheney, think Rumsfeld, think Clinton, think G.W. Bush.

    Utter jackasses, all.

    Jewry came along, as it always does, whispered in their ears, flattered their hubris, called them “essential” to saving the world, dazzled and seduced them with bright lights, shiny objects, and the prospects of glamour and glory…and immediately swindled the country out from under them, and are now ringing it for all it is worth.

    Of course, had these jackasses internalized Christianity 101, namely, that you simply can’t trust organized Jewry any time, any place, any way, any how, none of this would have happened.

  75. mari's Gravatar mari
    August 20, 2011 - 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Pilgrims Pride The aristocratic French Huguenots were not aristocrats at all. They were farmers, craftsmen and businesspeople, ranging from working class to very rich, but they were definitely not aristocratics.

  76. VikingManx's Gravatar VikingManx
    August 20, 2011 - 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Albion’s Seed is crucial when discussing Anglo-Saxon America.

    You must read it to understand the 4 British folkways that make up this group in America.

    When you see the stark differences between Puritan New England and the others, you’ll realize that Oliver Cromwell made a deal with the devil.

  77. August 20, 2011 - 12:48 pm | Permalink

    The Angles trace their origins to Schleswig-Holstein, Germany. The Saxons also trace their roots to this and other areas nearby. Not all Angles nor Saxons left their homeland for Britain. Given that there was undoubtedly “interbreeding” between the two groups in their homelands in the 1200 years between invading England (Angle-land) and the invention of the WASP myth, they too are WASPS. Again, it is a pejorative term, like Holocaust(TM) denier, used to demonize people who won’t drink the Jew’s Jonestown flavoured kool-aid.
    In their world K Mac, presumably a Scots Catholic, is still a WASP.

    As for the “Borders” types who populated the new US highlands, being less intelligent, Thomas Carlyle would be one of them.

  78. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    August 20, 2011 - 12:33 pm | Permalink

    By the way, Albion’s Seed…Fischer, make it clear just how divided our country was back in the 18th C. He makes the obvious point after his long dissertaiton, that the Civil War was just waiting to happen.

    I look at my father, born in 1902. I look at myself…very little difference. Our regional difference have persisted for 400 years, and go back much farther is merrie old England. My sons are much like me. genetics, genetic, genetics.

    It is too bad that Fischer swerved from a more head-on contest with the jews and other culturists, but that was the 1980s. Joe

  79. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    August 20, 2011 - 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Dark Henry…E. Michael Jones and his The Jewish REvolutionary Spirit champions this view of Jewish influence in Protestantism. Certainly, Protestants went back to the OT and therein lies a big problem which is with us today.

    Fascinating historical question. I read thru the whole damned thing, like about 1200 pages and found it always interesting but what is the contrary argument?

    Superficially, as I know very little about it, it seems that there were many legit grievances against the Church. The Boreal Spirit of individualism was at play (in the fields of the Lord)…no?

    Then Martin Luther for one, turned against the Jews.

    There were other secular forces nibbling at feudal constraints like nascent capitalism/market relations, individualist Whites wanting to be able to read the Bible for themselves (not a crazy idea), the peasant revolts, etc.

    E. Michael Jones is certainly not an objective historian.

    Arguably, Christianity itself (NT) bears seeds of revolt and egalitarianism. Jews as I see it, but am open to arguments, helped things along, but that is all. Also, the Jewish agenda was to attack the Church for its own reasons, any form of attack was just fine.

    To claim that today, Protestants are Judaized, is a very big claim indeed, especially since the Church is equivocating with Jewry, and many Protestant churches got their dander up about Israeli Apartheid.

    So…what do you think? Joe

  80. Felix Grubel's Gravatar Felix Grubel
    August 20, 2011 - 12:08 pm | Permalink


    Okay, if you don’t like the “W” in Wasp, (the assumption being that all Anglo-Saxons are indeed white), then we can say ASPs, a term connoting a slyer, more vicious and cunning creature.

  81. August 20, 2011 - 10:52 am | Permalink

    “The new elite is much more likely to act out their historical grudges against the White majority than to uphold WASP ideals and principles. Ethnicity matters.”

    I’ve noticed that Left media, say Pacifica Radio, is the only place where intelligent discussion of the economy occurs, as opposed to the Liberal NPR and Conservative Faux, where the only disagreement is over how to get the money to give to the Bankers.

    The Left abandoned economics in the 60s, in favor of “identity politics” [Old vs. New Left], which of course is exactly the part played by Rudd and Co.

    I’ve also noticed that even the Left can’t discuss the economy without demonizing White Americans. They’ll take to Michael Hudson or Gerald Celente for a bit but then interrupt with “We have to fix the economy before the rednecks start SCAPEGOATING and WITCHHUNTING in their ignorance.”

    I wonder if this IS the hostile elite “acting out its grudges,” or is the COVER for acting out. Don’t target bankers, cause the crazy rednecks think they’re all Jews, and all Jews are bankers, and then we’ll have pogroms again. Meanwhile, the REAL hostile elite plans its own pogroms — pogroms to prevent pogroms, you understand, of course.

  82. Felix Grubel's Gravatar Felix Grubel
    August 20, 2011 - 10:06 am | Permalink

    How can an elite, who historically have seen themselves as removed from the country in which they’re currently squatting, be good for any nation with the misfortune to have them as overlords?

    The Jews are funamentally foreigners, (self-described as such in their “holy” books), among every people but their own, and as such, to have them as the “elite” among any peoples but their own makes as little sense as having the British rule India or the French rule Vietnam.

    In the end no good will come of it, and they will, once more, as has happened so many times before, be tossed out one way or another.

  83. figh's Gravatar figh
    August 20, 2011 - 9:34 am | Permalink

    “This is why you had the Massachusetts abolitionists willing to wage war against the South to free their black friends.”

    Yes. “Cutting our throats in the name of Jesus,” as one Southern lady put.

  84. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    August 20, 2011 - 9:31 am | Permalink


    How do you figure that? The German, Swiss, and other northern European Protestant countries have strong banks—if anything too strong. Germany & Switerland are seen as safe havens with strong currency & stable banks.

    The Roman Catholic countries of Europe, including France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, all have very weak banks & weak currency.

  85. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    August 20, 2011 - 9:21 am | Permalink

    “It is the Northern European “Protestants” who give the Jews the most trouble”

    You can not be from Northern Europe nor read MacDonald nor even understand the recent financial crisis. Most of the banks which have wrecked Europe are Northern European all in bed with the white shoe boyz.

  86. Dark Henry's Gravatar Dark Henry
    August 20, 2011 - 8:55 am | Permalink

    @Free Thinker:
    “…and prejudice and fear of their sexual corruption–The Catholic Churches obsession with sex control ”

    Looks like this is a bit self-contradicting. The Catholic Church was either too loose (“corrupted”) or too tight (“obsessed with sex control”) on sex, but it cannot be both at the same time! Make up your mind.

    And I wonder, why could be the reason that the places where the most judaized protestant movements took over (namely calvinism/puritansim in Holland and New England) later become the most relaxed and sexually degenerate places of the western world, and the source of pollution for the rest of us?

    Furthermore, if the Catholic Church was too obsessed with “sex control”, whatever that is, why is that it was the protestant Lambeth conference in the 1930s that first make it legal anticoneptive methods that eventually resulted in the collapse of the birth rate among protestants (facilitating race replacement)? Then came the next logical step, abortion, and not many protestants (the old branches at least) complained much about it. Now, that is what I call “sex control”, i.e. limiting, reducing, killing, in other words: “controlling” in a contra-natura way the source of life. Those who practice it, like the WASPs, self-condemn themselves to die.

  87. Aprilia's Gravatar Aprilia
    August 20, 2011 - 8:54 am | Permalink

    @Free Thinker:

    When people are trained like this by their parents they take on a hard / indoctrinated edge BUT they can be relied upon to do their duty without fear or favour , serving the system because thats what dad taught them .

    What you describe is the roots of civic nationalism, where the ideal is for the individual to have greater loyalty to the system and less loyalty to his family or ethnic group.

    Later, unfortunately, this ideal was modified so that even loyalty to the European race and Western Civilization became taboo, which is the modification which will cause the system itself to collapse, replaced by more primitive modes of governance and being.

    The modification of the civic nationalist ideal to include non-Europeans got its real start with Civil Rights Act of 1866, an act of congress which conferred the rights of citizenship on any person born on American soil regardless of race.

    This made Blacks born in America legally citizens.

    This act was then made extremely difficult to reverse due to the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1868.

    Since sub-Saharan Africans are more different in genetics from Europeans than anyone else, this made the exclusion of non-Europeans from the civic nationalist ideal infinitely more difficult than it would’ve been otherwise.

    Still there were few enough Blacks in America, and they were outnumbered enough by European descended people, that if only the floodgates of immigration weren’t opened to non-Europeans in 1965 the WASP way of doing things almost certainly would’ve survived over the long term.

    The Jews I think essentially loathed the Protestant self control, considering this unnatural.

    Both Protestants and Jews of the past on average had a great deal of self-control relative to today’s standards in many areas of life, such as saving money or sexual restraint.

    But where the Jews lacked the restraint of Protestants was when it came to refraining from things like tribalism and ethnic nepotism.

    Europeans are less collectivist in instinct than Jews, with the Europeans who converted to Protestantism probably being even less collectivist than Europeans in general.

    For this reason Europeans, and especially European Protestants, have tended more often to construct societies where the “greater good” of the society is given a higher value than familial or clannish concerns.

    Obviously there have been some exceptions to this, like the Scottish Highlands before they were forcibly converted to a more individualist Anglo culture or parts of Italy where clannishness reigned at least as late as the 19th Century, but the general pattern is still real and the tendency has been for even the relatively more clannish Europeans to become less clannish over time.

    You’re probably right that the Jews, deep down, view this as unnatural and loathsome.

    Their loathing is based, I’d posit, on what loathing is often based on: A fear and disgust at the thought of becoming at some point in time like the object of loathing.

    Plenty of Jews wanted to become less tribal and ethnocentric in Europe’s history, and plenty of Jews have wanted to side with Europeans even at the cost of losing their Jewishness.

    The only problem is that these people stopped being Jews. The Jews we’re left with are the “dead-enders”, the one’s selected for the quality of valuing Jews over Europeans, and tribalism over the greater good.

    Even the Jews today who marry non-Jews usually do so more because they live in a culture which greatly values the ideal of “marrying for love”, which has the effect of short-circuiting the most critical part of the “Stay Jewish” programming they have in their heads, while unfortunately leaving many of their other negative traits intact such as hostility to Europeans and Christianity.

  88. Dark Henry's Gravatar Dark Henry
    August 20, 2011 - 8:35 am | Permalink

    The problem with your theory is that it does not match history. Historically the protestant revolution was since its origins a judaizing revolution. Protestantism was a judaization of Chrsitianity; a Christianity that had been shaped first by the greco-roman world and then germanized during the middle ages. Economically it was a revolution of the “rich against the poor” (GK Chesterton). Spiritually, theologically, liturgically, and artistically, it was a big step directly to judaism. It is not surprising then that the Jews were behind all reformation movements helping them not only financially but also providing “moral support”. Protestantism is a dead end, they keep atomizing ad infinitum and eventually every Protestant becomes his own Pope. Now most branches of Protestantism are practically dead, especially the old ones that still had a patine of christianity. What is left now are the easy-to-manipulate, ignorant, fanatic, openly pro-jew, pro-israel born-again “christians”. But who could doubt that that was the logical end of it?

  89. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    August 20, 2011 - 8:20 am | Permalink

    I don’t have a problem with the term wasp—although White Anglo-Saxon is redundent. :)

    It is the Northern European “Protestants” who give the Jews the most trouble. The Catholics are only too happy to form political alliances with the Jews such as in US Congress.

    Or look at TV. Every Catholic media pundit on TV has his, or her tounge up the Jews you know what i.e. Matthews, O’Leary, O’Reilly, Maddow, etc. ad infinitum. Even Buchanan when on TV.

  90. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    August 20, 2011 - 7:50 am | Permalink

    This is my take on the historical Wasp :

    Jews don’t historically like Anglo Saxons / Germanics because to work out an effective democracy we had to stamp out self-interest so that a Gov could be formed that wasn’t corrupt and self serving .This was the training that came from Protestantism that was passed from father to son .Self discipline and self denial . When people are trained like this by their parents they take on a hard / indoctrinated edge BUT they can be relied upon to do their duty without fear or favour , serving the system because thats what dad taught them . This of course disastrously for the USA has been undone and I would suspect corruption is now quite endemic in the USA . It certainly is in the MIComplex and the Banking system . I would guess that the US is headed for an expansionist war as so often happens when a political system starts to fail : the leaders pick a fight externally to justify and distract their country men from the corruption and kleptocracy at home.
    Because Jews haven’t run a country for so long that could alway indulge their tribal emotions and direct kleptocratic behavior externally .Many of the Jews that colonized the USA came out of the Eastern Europe and Russia and still had many of the peasant/tribal communal interactions. The industrial revolution laid much of that to waist in the Anglo World .

    Wasps were these Protestants and they excluded particularly Catholics (per WW2) out of historical conflict and prejudice and fear of their sexual corruption–The Catholic Churches obsession with sex control . Protestantism had it but not as badly because their Priest could marry and so there was much less deviancy and obsession.

    The Jews I think essentially loathed the Protestant self control , considering this unnatural .But also there is a strong element of social competion and resentment against the dutiful ,conservative but perhaps less talented Wasps that held positions of power up until the 1960’s.

    The Jews can lay claim to the state of USA now and we can ask . Is this something to be proud of ?

  91. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 20, 2011 - 7:37 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Absolutely. Exemplar: Sniegoski, author of The Transparent Cabal, exposing the neocons as Likudniks. Great end to a career. Great book, too.

  92. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    August 20, 2011 - 6:45 am | Permalink

    The former elite do ‘take great pride in being known far and wide as tolerant, principled, fair-minded moral paragons, upstanding members of their community, example to one and all; virtual saints’.

    But opposing immigration does not fit in with that mindset and so if you want immigration brought down to tolerable levels in a useful timeframe you can forget about the WASPs ever getting out of line with their idea of themselves as principled paragons and calling for enforcement of current laws with the only thing that works – a real barrier. Krauthammer and the pro Israel crowd are the only ones that such an initiative is going to come from. Krauthammer on illegal immigration: complete the fence and use the unemployed . While he inclines to advocating an amnesty afterwards he’s saying build it now then we have the debate. IMO the pro-Israel agenda is not identical to the white nationalist one but nor does it directly conflict with whites’ survival as a people. Crucially, the case for Israel requires the upholding of a moral right for a nation to maintain its ethnic character.

    Phillip Weiss views are principled and (quite consistantly) he’s every bit as opposed to a white nation as to a Jewish one. Weiss is more like a WASP than a Jew – yes, but in the very universalistic characteristics which have taken whites to the brink of destruction. The last thing whites need is to listen to Weiss.

  93. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    August 20, 2011 - 5:52 am | Permalink

    On Mondoweiss 14/6/11 is an article – ‘Israel’s harassment of US-Mexico border human rights activist raises many questions’

    On May 16, a 19-year-old American student from a Southwest university was stopped by Israeli security agents and held for several hours as she attempted to enter the occupied Palestinian West Bank with 17 other schoolmates and two professors. At one point in a grueling interrogation that lasted until 2 am, she was harassed about her affiliation with No Más Muertes/No More Deaths, a humanitarian group that operates along the U.S.-Mexico border.

    No More Deaths is a prominent U.S. humanitarian group, well known for its numerous volunteers who have been indicted over the years by the federal government (though all acquitted) for advocating fundamental change in U.S. Immigration and Border Enforcement policies and, in the process, helping save the lives of migrants along the U.S.-Mexico border. So why is Israel so concerned about a human rights group that operates in a humanitarian border crisis zone several thousand miles away?

    Weiss thinks it is a moral imperative that the ‘Palestinians’ should be let into Israel no matter what. But please note that his attitude toward immigration into the US is no different.

    Today Weiss quotes Steven Walt in a piece entitled “If 1.5 million Jews were locked up in Gaza, where would ‘Commentary’ be on violent resistance?” .

    Walt is the professor of international relationa who wrote ‘The Israel Lobby’ book with Mearshiemer. He is also the one who attributed Brievik’s actions to nationalism (a “warped worldview” in Walt’s opinion).

    Phillip Weiss may be “a Jew without all the usual rationalizations and blind spots” about Israel but, in relation to the US he is as hostile to immigration control as anyone. In fact he is vastly more hostile to barriers to immigration than Krauhammer.

    Why? A barrier is a very simple thing to do. The technology is well tested. The Chinese had success with it, as did Hadrian. In our time, the barrier Israel has built has been so effective in keeping out intruders that suicide attacks are down over 90 percent.

    Fences work. That’s why people have them around their houses — not because homeowners are unwelcoming, but because they insist that those who wish to come into their domain knock at the front door


    Jews as a “hostile elite“–hostile to the traditional people and culture of America in a way that was completely foreign to the WASPs. It is also an elite that is absolutely dedicated to the welfare of a foreign country to which they have ethnic ties

    So if neocons have to choose they might go with Israel and against immigration.

  94. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    August 20, 2011 - 3:24 am | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    I like Joe’s concise observation:

    WASP was probably invented by Jews. The W is of course redundant, but thrown in for a nice measure of hatred.

    Gentlemen, please pay attention to the way the word “White” — the first syllable of the label if you will — is emphasized before a short pause; the remainder “Anglo-Saxon Protestant” can and is usually pronounced with a fading cadence. It may even be pronounced sans clear diction because the most important word in WASP to spit out is … “White”.

    Which ever way you approach its usage, the subliminal emphasis is on the word (syllable): “white”. One could go further and say that WASP was created (introduced) in order to bring into common discourse the use of “White” as a racial epithet that just so happens to simultaneously avoid the accidental inclusion of ‘white’ Jews.

    In other words, users of ‘WASP’ are unwittingly pointing to that proportion of Europe’s inhabitants (and their emigrated descendants) who are not Jews, not Slavic, and not of Mediterranean stock. It enjoys little currency in Europe and Australia, but is immediately identifiable as a “New York City / Boston / Chicago / Washington” slang term (re. the original Yankee territory).

    My simple deconstruction appears to add weight to (if not confirm) Joe’s premise; namely that ‘WASP’ is a pseudo-respectable endearment, designed for convenience. In reality, its deeper roots drink from a concealed pool of hatred.

  95. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    August 20, 2011 - 3:21 am | Permalink

    I wish KMD would visit the whole ‘cult of war’ which began in the USA from the 1940’s onwards. The reality is that the USA , today, is now surging uncrontrollably towards a 3rd great conflict and taking the “West” with it.

  96. Greg's Gravatar Greg
    August 20, 2011 - 3:20 am | Permalink

    @Jarvis Dingle-Daden:

    Uhh, when did I ever say that Jews are superior to WASPs?

  97. Greg's Gravatar Greg
    August 20, 2011 - 3:18 am | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    Interesting. My problem with the WASP is that there never has been much of a Blood and Soil sentiment amongst their members (for all the reasons you allude to). While the English are descended from the Germans, Celts, Normans, and others, for whatever reason they have always served as attack dogs for the Jews and all Jewish thought, with World War II serving as the prime example. I do not buy the idea that all Whites are equally universalists. I’m convinced that the English, especially the religious sects that settled New England, are the supreme example of the most effete and wimpy of the White race.

    That being said, I’ll acknowledge that in general, the English IQ is probably higher than the Irish IQ. The Germans have been assigned a slightly higher IQ range than the English. But besides IQ, there are just “sentiments” and modes of thinking that vary between the groups.

    Yes, there were English who fought for the South (wealthy landowners come to mind, with the Irish coming more from a yeoman background, and very often had no slaves to call their own), but the English have always been obsessed with Centralization, and this desire to quash anything that is Wild or autonomous, always hewing to these abstract values that have no bearing on reality. This is why you had the Massachusetts abolitionists willing to wage war against the South to free their black friends. If these Protestants had said they were waging war to end slavery and expatriate the blacks back to Africa, I would probably be more sympathetic to their cause, but that was not their goal. As Webb notes, the Irish and Scotch come from a more warrior-based culture, with less of an intellectual background but at the same time, less abstraction involved. Interestingly, the Irish genotype has more of a mix of Basque genome, a group much more insular and concerned with ethnicity than most European groups.

    There were still many English, and there are still many English who are concerned with their race, but I don’t think the New England sects are ever going to come over to Our Side. These sclerotic people are a bane to Whites everywhere. That’s why you have this WASP that Weiss references basically rolling over and saying, Oh, we had a nice run. What an utter failure of a human being, but emblematic of a larger malaise within New England WASP culture.

    If any WASP cares about the White race, I consider them a friend and an ally, but I do not expect much from the majority of them.

  98. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    August 20, 2011 - 2:03 am | Permalink

    @ Greg

    On what grounds exactly are “Jews” superior to Anglo-Saxons or anybody else for that matter ?
    The so-called ‘white Jew’ traces back to a semi-barbaric Turkic sub-tribe of Khazars. When In Europe, residing either in self-segregated communities or the Pale of Settlement; which oughta explain the generous basket of chronic hereditary diseases given all their in-clan blood mixing.
    With the other end of the kosher spectrum being represented by ‘brown Jews’ i.e. descendants of those Semites who wound up in exile following the dispersion.
    Is anybody going to be able to maintain a straight face while comparing those primitive desert tent weavers with penchant for fable making and body part mutilation to the cultural and scientific achievements of the Greco-Roman world ?

  99. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    August 20, 2011 - 2:03 am | Permalink

    Thanks again Kevin . A excellent reminder of what the world is in for . We read conceit and arrogance in its bragging full measure from T Weiss . A couple of bits of hypocrisy stand out :

    it’s all about meritocracy: “Jews are a dye marker that allows us to trace a new class of people as it moves into the system–a new class distinguished by intellect and not social standing.”) .

    But apparently not about values as we see a vast numbers the citizens of the USA being impoverished by the policies of the New elite .Impoverished both materially ,morally and atavistically as the hostile elite , Divide & Rule , Divide & Rule , Divide and Rule to eventual slavery I suppose. USSR anyone ?

    And THIS part is an enormous danger that all European People should take very seriously :

    And unlike the old elite which was the subject of innumerable Hollywood satires and the explicit hostility of Jews like Rudd, this new elite cannot say its name. Even describing it as predominantly Jewish is to invite inquisitions from powerful anti-White Jewish activist organizations with ominously close ties to the government and law enforcement–the ADL and the SPLC.

    The ADL has opened a branch in Australia , named the ADC (C -commision) bringing their toxic brew of one-eyed hate promotion under the guise of diversity ; that is a divided society , under the pretense of ‘respect’ between cultures , a respect that will be maintained by Big Brother. As always the question is : Who controls this very Jewish Big Brother ? I think the USA and Britain already have the answer for us.

  100. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    August 20, 2011 - 1:50 am | Permalink

    WASP was probably invented by Jews. The W is of course redundant, but thrown in for a nice measure of hatred.

    I have just read Albion’s Seed, by Fischer (1989) and recommend it for those who want to figure out what a wasp is and isn’t. The 17th century foundation of the US was totally English stock, besides some black slaves.

    Fischer has 4 groups from England coming to the US. You can further divide into ethnys his 4 white groups. Puritans came almost exclusively from East Anglia or very proximate to it. They excluded gentry and royalty and low life, thus giving to Massacusssets ca. 1630 a kind of middle and upper-middle type of social and religious background including higher intelligence.

    Secondly, the southwest of England gave the Virginia colony a more cavalier, gentry and even lesser nobility’s extra sons (primogenitures’s lesses sons), plus indentureds and slaves.

    Thirdly, the Delaware Valley Quakers came from the North Midlands, and were mostly of yeoman stock, plus indentureds but less so than Virginia. This stock would have been low to middle in terms of general intelligence (which Fischer does not get into.)

    Lastly came the Borderers from the Scotland border area and hence the term Scotch or Scots-Irish which also included the Irish Sea area which did recruit some Irish. These folks went to the Backlands (no Frontier yet) and thence to the Southern Highlands like in Tennessee and Kentucky, and gradually spread south and further West. These folks were warriors and had a warrior culture, both Scots and English. Think the move, Braveheart. They were fighters for centuries in England and Scotland, and continued their warrior culture into today’s South. One can assume that these folks might have been a bit less intelligent than the other 3 groups. General Patton’s lineage was from this group.

    So, the WASP is from New England. Proper Englishmen think rationally and objectively. Protestant culture brought with it, in more or less degree these tendencies, expecially in Massachussets. That is with us today, or was until Jewry infected the place.

    Puritans became Unitarians, Unitarians remained Unitarians but Quakers and other heavily Doctrine oriented folks continued the English tradition of Thinking. The other three groups of immigrants from England did not value Thought….overly, especially the Borderers.

    WASPs continue to Think, even Think per the example of the waspy guy who remarked that “well, we have had a good run…” That is Real Thinking.

    I had two conversations today with Anglos from New England who continue to Think, one especially has worked out yet another Philosophy of Growing Ratiionality. When I refused their stuff, and said “Blood and Soil”, one was more or less ready to Think about it, and the other was wide eyed, with Culture oozing from his lips.

    New England became WASP, no other area. WASPs were the smartest of the bunch of 17th C. immigrants from England…probably. Only Thinkers or Philosophers can abstract themselves enough to Philosophically hand their children over to savages. I have had a fair amount of experience with friends and acquaintances who Think Philosophically.

    It will be the Rednecks ( a term in use in England in the 17th C. per Fischer, plus some other choice terms that I thought were of recent vintage) who rise up to kill the once powerful WASPS (with stinger…another Jewish association probably) and take back their country.

    Thinking …to be, or not to be…that is the question for LIberals who lost touch with their Feeling after reading so many books and writing so many books. Jews do not write books, they write impassioned tracts. Their thinking is purely instrumental. WASPS have Objectified themselves into passivity. They cannot even get a little kill-passion up to protect their children. Joe

  101. August 20, 2011 - 1:21 am | Permalink

    The term WASP was invented by the Jews as a pejorative term to stigmatize the white founders of the US and Canada. I was called a WASP because of my family name, even though my heritage is Scottish. I was amazed to learn that my father became the head of a government department because of his connections, not because he had worked in the department for over 35 years, knew every facet of the operations, performed his job efficiently and was a resource for others. When a Jew became his boss, promotions of incompetents became the norm, but the “Anglo” and/or “WASP” so-called stranglehold was broken.
    Jews have little “merit”. They shamelessly self promote (within the tribe). People who are loudmouths become “experts”. Whenever the news media is looking for an “expert” it is almost always a Jew with a vested interest in distorting the truth. As for Jews and the law, the mental gymnastics they perform in arguing a case or judging a case are impressive, but still doesn’t change the fact that it is bullshit.
    The traditional European (including Britain) notion of higher learning is that you do it for yourself, because no one can take your knowledge from you. You may, or may not use your educational pursuit to further your economic life. Thus the caricature of the absent minded Englishman studying some obscure subject that interests him and, perhaps a dozen others while struggling to survive economically. Jews have polluted that notion in North America. Your education is an “investment” solely for the purpose of advancing your economic status. This prosperity, in turn, will give you the opportunity to spend lots of money on things you don’t need that are flashy and shallow, just like the Jews are.

  102. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 20, 2011 - 1:10 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: In the comment above, “the fact that many an Anglo-Saxon has had as much Saxon blood in him as William the Bastard had” was supposed to read “that many a so-called Anglo-Saxon. . . .”

    Scusi; mille perdoni.

  103. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 20, 2011 - 12:55 am | Permalink

    @Anon2: Alas, sir, why are you using the silliness or misinformation of others to draw—or, as I suspect, feign at drawing—a silly or misinformed conclusion? It ought to suffice to say that WASPs are by definition Americans; specifically, Americans of English descent (the fact that many an Anglo-Saxon has had as much Saxon blood in him as William the Bastard had is a matter to take up with the sociology mob, not a philologist or a genealogist).

    An Englishman may be a descendant of an Angle, a Saxon, a Jute, an Anglo-Saxon, an Anglo-Norman, a Dane, or a more or less assimilated Briton—or he may even be (to any of the various Celts commenting hereabouts) a Sassenach swine—but he is not now, never has been, nor ever shall be a WASP. The same is true, in spades, for an Ozzie or a Kiwi or a Canadian or an Anglo South African.

    The bloody least one can ask of a gentleman is that he get his damn epithets straight when he’s lowering himself to piss on someone who is (conveniently) not close enough by to piss back or retaliate in some other fashion. One who lumps Brits and WASPs together makes himself look a perfect fool, not least because the proto-WASPs (with the indispensable assistance of la belle France) gained for the Thirteen Colonies their independence by going to war against their mother country, its Hessian employees, and their own Loyalist kinfolk.

    History is already messy enough, and sociology far messier still, without making a bad situation worse.

  104. Pilgrims Pride's Gravatar Pilgrims Pride
    August 20, 2011 - 12:44 am | Permalink


    WASP to my mind means the founding American peoples from Philadelphia to Boston, in a fifty to sixty mile swath to the interior. These people were Dissenters and Anglicans, with the admixture of Reformed Dutch and aristocratic French Huguenots.

    The rest have ulterior motives for the association, or they are externally associated by ignoramuses to whom all whites pretty much look alike.

  105. Anon2's Gravatar Anon2
    August 19, 2011 - 11:15 pm | Permalink

    I’m picking up a lack of consensus among commenters here as to what a WASP is. “Buckle” talks of the “Irish WASP” of Northern Ireland and he presumably therefore includes the Scots Irish as “WASPs.” However, Greg accuses the WASP of slaughtering the Scots Irish of the Southern United States. Greg’s definition of WASP appears to contradict Buckles. It also seems to exclude the huge population of English-derived Southerners from the category of “WASP.” And so does figh, as he, too, accuses the “WASP” of slaughtering Southern whites.

    This lack of consensus is consistent with my theory that “the WASP” is more myth than reality, a concept devised to supply an actor/villain in one or several tribal groups’ narratives of history.

    Another thing I notice in the comments is significant hostility, even possibly hatred, toward people of English descent (Anglo Saxon Protestants). Figh refers to “the rotten Protestant breed.” Based on my readings of Professor MacDonald, I tentatively suspect that he would agree with figh’s assessment (and maybe that is why he feels justified in using the “WASP” epithet). This is an odd–and troubling–sentiment from a group that wants to be interested in white American identity and culture and, presumably unity. English-derived people are an important part of the diverse white Americans and they have contributed much to our country and culture.

  106. Tom Brown's Gravatar Tom Brown
    August 19, 2011 - 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Wonderful delineation Dr. MacDonald. Hitler’s Germany knew a thing about ethnic self interest. The alien hostile elite of that time skillfully flayed the Krauts, and they’re paying even unto this day. With financial prowess the hostile elites effect their hostile takeovers and eventually permeate every facet of American society. Those waspian dumbasses never saw it coming and as such, left us all with a collective shit sandwich.

  107. Greg's Gravatar Greg
    August 19, 2011 - 9:38 pm | Permalink


    I initially missed this comment. As someone of Germanic and Irish ancestry, I have no special love for the WASP myself. There are quite a few WASPs who are an exception, but it is true that they have been partly instrumental in the slaughter of the White race, especially when it came to killing off the Scotch and Irish in the South here in America, and forcing their smug values on Whites across the board. They are probably the least ethnically-minded of almost any White group, and this might have a lot to do with some genetic strain unique to the WASP.

    That being said, they did have a culture that was highly beneficial to most White Americans when they were running the show in terms of culture. Of course, WW2, their acceptance of the civil rights movement, and the civil war are nasty exceptions. Of course, many other White cultures would have been preferable. I am quite sure if the South had won the war, the U.S. never would have become embroiled in WW2. Slavery would have ended anyway, but blacks would have likely been expatriated back to Africa.

  108. Atheling's Gravatar Atheling
    August 19, 2011 - 9:23 pm | Permalink

    @Anon2: @Jason Speaks: Gentlemen,

    Anon2, The “W” may be redundant, but not of a member not worth the extra emphasis. As Pierre de Craon mentioned above, it’s handy, no worries.

    Jason Speaks, I don’t think characterizing Ron Paul as open borders is accurate.

  109. Dark Henry's Gravatar Dark Henry
    August 19, 2011 - 9:19 pm | Permalink

    I could not have say it better.

  110. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 19, 2011 - 9:02 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Unsurprisingly, your questions are good, but I can’t help wondering whether any of TOO’s regular writers or commenters are in a position to answer them in anything resembling an authoritative fashion. That is to say, it would help to get a reply from someone with at least the rudiments of an old-line Establishment WASP’s credentials.

    My own limited access to such circles, now almost twenty years in the past, was marked by a degree of gentility and friendliness (unmarred by immoderate familiarity) unmatched on my life’s journey. Yet whether the people I knew or others like them ever would entertain the questions you raise, let alone reply to them (at least outside the precincts of the immediate family), is not a matter about which I’d care to hazard a guess. So if your own background or associations, Jason, enable you to answer your questions as ably as you frame them, I for one will be pleased to read what you say.

    Incidentally, please do go on using the term WASP! It has the virtue of compendiousness—and many other virtues too plain to bother naming. Besides, like the not entirely unrelated term Roman Catholic, WASP may have been coined with a sneer and a snarl by men who loathed those whom they so characterized, but the term’s accuracy, utility, or both have triumphed over the meanness of spirit that inspired it. There is, furthermore, nothing to be gained by a frittering digression into pointless semantic one-upmanship—least of all for one such as I who now looks at his future through the rear-view mirror.

  111. Greg's Gravatar Greg
    August 19, 2011 - 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Weiss has frequently called out Jewish American involvement in Israel, that’s his primary schtick. However, I wonder how genuine a lot of it is. One can surmise from this article that he obviously loves virtually everything that relates to Jews. It seems like his only fault with them is their treatment of the Palestinians, and that’s only because it does not fit the role he has assigned them as “liberals who care.” As has been repeated again and again, Israel is difficult for Jewish Americans to some degree because it creates cognitive dissonance. However, Jews like Rudd and others of his persuasion understand that Jews mostly play to win, and that means acting one way in regards to Israel and acting one way in regards to America, all with the benefit of Jews in mind. I don’t know how much they really care about blacks. God knows they aren’t living side by side with them in their neighborhoods. They simply needed them to subvert White culture in the 60-70s. I think Weiss also sort of acknowledges the benefits of the former WASP reign, but also feels like Jews deserve to be in more control, simply placed on his supremacist belief that Jews are inherently superior to WASPs.

    Weiss is certainly idealizing a lot of what Jews stand for as an ethnic group. His assertion that Jews have earned everything solely based on a meritocracy is absurd. Just looking at AIPAC and how it controls the discourse, and entire politician’s lives, he should know that Jews are very good at punishing who they want and rewarding who they want, more so than any other ethnic group. I only bring up AIPAC because Weiss should be more familiar with their shenanigans, but should also be able to relate them to how Jews primarily operate. This applies to how they operate in the media, in finance, in academia, etc. They create networks where they can reward each other, and it’s a cycle that feeds on itself, just like the WASPs did to a certain extent, but much much less so. Jews are notorious for this type of behavior, and it’s not new, it’s been a pattern carried out for centuries.

    Other Jewish commenters on the site at least acknowledge the hard-elbowed ethnic networking and subversion of American culture may have some blowback. Honestly, if we remove our Hollywood blinders and look at what brought the Nazis to power, it was a pattern of Jews coming into societies and attempting to reorder it in their vision, while occupying the levers of power of the former ethnic groups. Money is at the heart of this (Weiss alludes to this with his comments about hedge funds). Jews first build up their money through loans, retailing, other small ventures, all while saving and harboring ambitions to topple the ruling group. Of course, there are also illegal activities, such as loan sharking, pornography, and other such activities. Then, they use that money to start occupying and acquiring valuable acquisitions, primarily in media. You saw this beginning with Ochs going after the NYtimes early on in the early 20th century. That has only expanded to encompass the entire media spectrum, most recently with shows and movies that subvert the old Western value system.

    However, I do think that the media is a dividend that keeps paying out, because it has been able to deny the existence of this new hostile elite (Weiss acknowledges this), and has been able to redirect anger into faux issues, such as abortion rights and gay rights, without revealing the true malaise that affects our society.

    A commenter on the site writes:

    “There’s no doubt that a key role was and is still played by Jews in regards to multiculturalism and mass immigration(compared to historic levels), in America as well as across the Western world.

    I am for it, but I can see that there is a case for resentment against Jews if you actually look up the history of the multicultural projects roots(and it’s victims, like WASPs).

    As for the future, I think that WASPs and European non-Jews in general will probably renew their civilization as time passes on and it becomes increasingly clear that they are becomming a minority among others in the West. The result can be ugly, even lethal, especially for us. But I do not think honestly that these societies will hold for the long run. Yugoslavia, Rwanda etc etc; they tend to fraction and break up.”

  112. Anon2's Gravatar Anon2
    August 19, 2011 - 8:52 pm | Permalink

    A commenter on addresses some of the sentiments expressed in Weiss’s and MacDonald’s posts. Denies Jews are an “elite” in the United States or control media, etc.:

    This is yet another utterly delusional post.

    Jews are not an elite in this country. We are 2% of the population and shrinking.

    And more importantly, if we have any power at all, we use none of it to enforce any kind of religious status quo on people the way WASPs did until the 1950s. We don’t demand prayer in schools – most Jews in power demand non-sectarianism. If we are an elite, we are an elite that has made society more inclusive, not less.

    But I don’t buy this transparently antisemitic crap. We do not “run the media.” The biggest media baron is Rupert Murdoch. He’s not a Jew. We do not “run the financial system.” That’s a bunch of bullshit. The vast majority of the people involved in the financial system are not Jewish.

  113. Anon2's Gravatar Anon2
    August 19, 2011 - 8:49 pm | Permalink


    What is the point of the “W” in the WASP acronym? Aren’t all Anglo-Saxons white? Its only function would seem to be to turn you into a disagreeable insect.

  114. observerx's Gravatar observerx
    August 19, 2011 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Jewish networking is an extremely important subject. Learning about it makes one aware about things in a much deeper level.

  115. Atheling's Gravatar Atheling
    August 19, 2011 - 8:43 pm | Permalink

    @Anon2: Hello Anon2

    I’m a WASP and I never feel slurred by the term. I encourage Prof. MacDonald to continue its usage.

    WASPs might just be the least cohesive political ethny in history, but there was yet some bias against Catholics, Jews, etc., proving a sense of identity existed by distinction. Perhaps we have the best record for selfless ‘fairness’, and time will tell whether we grade the flunking Jewish elite by this same standard.

    Let me agree with your second point. Jews entered Europe as slavetraders because their first impulse is aggression. If history were erased from all memory, circumstances would resolve again to this current state because Jews are always on offense by nature. It pains me to say so, as I do have Jewish friends, but we must distinguish between the special and general case, or turn reality on its head.

  116. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 19, 2011 - 8:39 pm | Permalink

    @Steve: And they did not “silence” Kennedy. The Kennedy’s have been a part of the elite power structure in this country for 70 years.

  117. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 19, 2011 - 8:37 pm | Permalink

    @Steve: Ron Paul is 75. If he was anti-immigration he would be perfect, but he is for open borders apparently. I do think voting for Ron Paul in primaries sends a good message though, and I think a lot his positions are good. But if was elected, he would be 77 or 78 when he takes office – not gonna happen. And again, he’s for open borders.

  118. figh's Gravatar figh
    August 19, 2011 - 8:28 pm | Permalink

    The Wasps were never on my side, your side, or our side. From the slaughter of Dixie to their attacks on Spain to the absolute hell they brought on Germanic Europe last century, this rotten Protestant breed was assured of extinction long ago. Don’t enoble them, aggrandize them, or laud them – they, too, were a hostile elite, Jews who didn’t read Hebrew, to paraphrase Chesterton. Yes, Jews murdered us in Russia and Germany and elsewhere, but they did it to gain power. That makes sense. What was the Wasps’ motivation for doing/supporting the same? Remember, always remember, that the supposed lesser Slavs, along with a Germanic elite, fought a full scale war against the Jews in Russia. England and Wasp America handed over their lands without a shot fired.

    Batshit belief in concepts not in the least tethered to reality will eventually catch up with you.

  119. Anon2's Gravatar Anon2
    August 19, 2011 - 8:22 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    There’s no such thing as a “WASP,” unless you mean to refer to a person of a particular racial type.

  120. Steve's Gravatar Steve
    August 19, 2011 - 8:15 pm | Permalink

    The possibility of Ron Paul being elected president next year is wearing heavily with Jews. These are exciting times! The Jewish media has and continues to villify and/or ignore him, but with decades of damage done to this country by Jewry, the red states are filing in line to restore the Constitution with or without the media. Paul’s main goal is to sack the Federal Reserve, which I believe, is one of the main arteries of Jewry’s New World Order, not to mention reducing funding for Israel and end the illegal wars, plus stopping the nanny state. Practically all of Paul’s agendas are to halt or reverse the agendas of Jewry.

    My greatest fear is that I believe world Jewry will not allow Ron Paul to get into the driver’s seat and ruin their plans. They silenced Kennedy, Larry McDonald, and Jorg Haider, just to mention a few.

    Lend me your thoughts.

  121. Pilgrims Pride's Gravatar Pilgrims Pride
    August 19, 2011 - 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Gray Prince,

    Indeed. Hands-on science was part of my upbringing from my first rock collection, dinosaur book, Apollo rocket models, and hand-built crystal radio set. Likewise, music was more than encouraged it was taught at great expense in time and parental effort over three sons. Shakespeare and Solzhenitsyn were required reading regardless of our school curriculum.

    To trivialize the Anglo-Saxon Protestant dedication to arts and science both is a scurrilous lie and a slander of our character.

    Perhaps it is done to falsely promote our replacements in their own minds.

  122. Pilgrims Pride's Gravatar Pilgrims Pride
    August 19, 2011 - 7:59 pm | Permalink


    Yes of course the Anglo-Saxon Protestant saw himself in very narrow racial terms. Yes, excellence was always expected.

    I think too many have come to equate “White Shoe” New Yorkers with and only with “WASP” (and I agree the term is offensive).

    This is no less an error than mistaking the Jewish Question for legitimate meritocracy.

    Speaking for myself and my family, Mayflower Society, SAR, Ivy etc., I can tell you my family had and has little use for the phoney “elite” caricature above. Were it true, and to the extent it is in New York of the 20th C., yes of course they deserve to die off.

    But it is not true.

    Money and sinecure ought not be the determining criteria for “elite” as neither are historic Anglo-Saxon Protestant aims. Sure, of course they happen and few begrudged them, but the point of it all was L-I-B-E-R-T-Y be it a farmer or man of letters.

    The entire 20th C was in retrospect something of an abnormal bubble in which the laws of nature were suspended and punishment/reward amplified all out of recognition. If we were confused by this and knocked off our game, well that’s not quite the same as suicide. It did pervert our society unfortunately, mainly as it touched on birth control and the irresistible force of hormones, even forcing the Episcopal church to collapse in the face of copulation unbound.

    No less, what I see among my friends, family and neighbors is hardly the capitulation you describe. What I see is resolution, the product of an entire generation that had little else to do but observe and ponder on their parents’ valiant but losing fight against dispossession.

    Our silence is the silence before the battle. Make no mistake about it. “Head for the hills” is an ancient and proven means to survive to fight that other day.

    That day is at hand. You wait and see. I have 1,000 years of documented family history of survival to fight and win another day and this is but the next hardship to endure and overcome.

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  124. Gray Prince's Gravatar Gray Prince
    August 19, 2011 - 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Article says: “I will quickly pass over the part about art and scientists which I think is at best oversimplified. The old elite revered science (e.g., establishing our great universities and lavishly funding scientific and medical research that enabled the modern world.”

    Mt. Wilson Observatory founded by George Ellery Hale in California where the expanding universe, other galaxies, the finite limit of the Milky Way were discovered

    Rockefeller Institute founded to discover the chemical basis of heredity, where Oswald Avery showed that DNA is the molecular basis of heredity.

    To name two minor discoveries.

  125. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 19, 2011 - 7:54 pm | Permalink

    So since the elite WASPs are still devoted to objectivity, fairness and empirical evidence, is it possible that proving to them that ethnicity matters in terms of human behavior and social cohesion could do some good? Could demonstrating to them that the society they valued will pass from the scene when they vanish do any good?

  126. Scott Mollett's Gravatar Scott Mollett
    August 19, 2011 - 7:42 pm | Permalink


    This is the 2nd thread in a row that Anon2 has tried to defend a jew that is obviously part of the jew banker/media syndicate.

    I wonder why.

  127. Anon2's Gravatar Anon2
    August 19, 2011 - 7:36 pm | Permalink

    For anyone who read my first, longer post, I probably could have more clearly framed the first of the two points, or at least provided a better jumping off point for discussion with these questions: Do/did “WASPs,” as such, exist? What makes them a WASP? It must be more that merely being an Anglo-Saxon Protestant, or being one in a position of power. There must be some kind of sense of political membership, of common destiny, and of significant concerted action to advance WASP interests at the expense of non-WASPs.

    What evidence can you offer that there has ever been a political group such as is implied by the term “WASP”? Point out a WASP to me, maybe for starters.

    Are WASPs a myth?

  128. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 19, 2011 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    @Anon2: “At least he is trying to help extricate our country from the fatal embrace of the Zionist entity.”

    Things change, of course, but as of today I respectfully disagree.

  129. Anon2's Gravatar Anon2
    August 19, 2011 - 7:08 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I think you have a misapprehension about Weiss’s life as a journalist. He isn’t part of any red carpet journalistic mainstream. At least not since he started writing more critically about Israel and left his previous jobs. There are indications in fact that he was forced out of the mainstream precisely because he has been trying to open discussion about Zionism and Jews in the United States. From what I understand, he subsists mainly on donations to his site and depends to some extent on a supportive Christian (?) wife.

    It isn’t easy for anyone to go public on these issues. Weiss certainly still has some blinders and yes he is repelled by the ideas of Professor MacDonald (whether that is based on a fair exposure to those ideas, I do not know), but I think he deserves a charitable attitude and an open hand. He’s still working through a lot of issues, still learning. We probably all are. There’s a lot of very heavy mind control to shake free of. At least he is trying to help extricate our country from the fatal embrace of the Zionist entity. If he’s a loyal American, and there are indications he is, I welcome him aboard.

  130. Anon2's Gravatar Anon2
    August 19, 2011 - 6:57 pm | Permalink

    I have criticized Professor MacDonald’s use of the hate term “WASP” in the past here on grounds that the word, with the negative connotations it smuggles into the minds of readers and listeners, is an obvious component of the anti-White, Jewish Supremacist narrative that we should be working to break free of. I will again note my objection to his use of the slur on this website but I don’t want to dwell on it now for those reasons because I would like to focus on two other (admittedly related) points.

    First, I wonder do–or even did–a group of Anglo-Saxon Protestants exist actually exist in the sense of a cohesive ethnic group and a self-conscious “elite,” in the sense that is meant by the people who use the term “WASP”? In other words (perhaps), have the Anglo-Saxon people of the United States ever really constituted a distinct political group that shared a subjective sense of common destiny and that acted in concert to advance its interests in relation to other groups? This is what people imply I think when they use the term WASP. Speaking from my own admittedly limited experience, I have never witnessed such a thing. It makes me wonder whether this is again a sort of thread in the anti-White narrative, spun by true self-regarding political groups such as Jewish supremacists to justify pursuit of resources in the United States and to create a sort of moral creation myth, perhaps justifying in a way the ongoing displacement of ethnic Americans. It’s certainly notable that one of the key features of the WASP concept is that this imagined political entity acted in concert to exclude other groups. What do people think? Are WASPs akin to Jews in acting as a political group? Is it possible that the very conceptual category of WASP is mostly an invention of the anti-White narrative. (This is a slightly different issue than the one I raised in my first paragraph which was mainly concerned with the pejorative connotations of the term as describing even individuals, whether it was true or false.)

    The second point I would like to highlight relates to the question of the origin of Jewish fear and loathing of Europeans and their cultures. MacDonald ascribes this to something that happened in the past. He writes: “The problem is the hostility thing–the result of traditional Jewish fear and loathing of Europeans and their cultures, itself resulting from the long history of conflict between Jews and non-Jews in Europe and in its descendant cultures.” My question is whether the history of conflict is much of a factor in any existing fear and loathing. Would the plain fact that political Jews hold themselves apart from other groups put them into competition and conflict with other groups and generate on its own a fear and loathing (due to the twin threats of non-Jew assimilation and non-Jew hostility)? Wouldn’t MacDonald’s own theories predict fear and loathing even absent any actual historical conflicts? And doesn’t MacDonald’s pinpointing of past acts tend to lend some justification to Jewish fear and loathing of European people and cultures? Shouldn’t we be damn sure the source of fear and loathing before we concede that fear and loathing is justified due to past acts?

  131. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    August 19, 2011 - 6:57 pm | Permalink

    WASPism is a failed project. Can it be turned around? I don’t see how. Its raison d’être is to be superior to Catholicism. The problem is a) Catholics will outbreed them b) Catholics suspect that WASPs are all bullshitters anyway. Having lived near Northern Ireland all my life (NI is the last bastion of the WASP), I can assure my American friends that the Irish WASP cuts a depressing figure.

  132. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 19, 2011 - 6:30 pm | Permalink

    There are a sizable number of quite reasonable people who consider Philip Weiss a valuable ally, at least at the margins, in the campaign to open white Christian America’s eyes to the reality of Jewish power, influence, and subversion. He is, sad to say, nothing of the sort. However well-meaning he may be—though, be it noted, I have not seen a convincing case made that he is so—his continued employment as a columnist has nothing whatsoever to do with his character and beliefs. Rather, he functions as one of several safety valves on the mighty engine of the hostile foreign elite of which he is, from head to toe and inside and out, a reflexive, mind-benumbed member. He is as much a genuine critic of the Tribe as Obama is of black criminality. He is the outermost redoubt on the sociocultural Jewish Right, and his orders are, figuratively speaking, to shoot on sight anyone who might try to venture farther afield.

    Were Weiss ever to voice a genuinely threatening criticism of Jewish domination, he’d quickly find himself denied access to his MSM outlets, involved in a sudden and surprising dispute with his blog’s hosting service, and competing with Gilad Atzmon for the Pariah of the Month award. When has he shown fortitude or comprehension sufficient to that role or to any other not handed him on a catered sterling-silver platter? How much more comfortable and secure it is simply to be the naughty boy, the designated Tribal smartass!

    Anyone out there who thinks that Weiss would ever trade in his journalistic red-carpet life for a room at a Motel 6 is setting himself up for a world-class disappointment.

  133. fender's Gravatar fender
    August 19, 2011 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Anglos always had a predisposition towards objectivity and empiricism. The Jews are the opposite; they are, as Houston Stewart Chamberlain said, a subjective people. They can’t emancipate themselves from their Jewishness and are thus incapable of a cool, detached view of things. It’s damgerous to have such a people in charge of our judicial system, as the Jewish conception of justice is middle eastern as opposed to western. It is based around vengeance and persecution of perceived enemies. For Jews, it’s either “Jewish justice” or “social justice” or some other nonsense; never justice itself.

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