The Implicitly White Outrage of John and Ken Versus the Black Hole of the LA Times

Listening to the John and Ken Radio show on Friday afternoon was an experience in outrage. This is the most popular local radio show in the U.S., with an audience of over 1,000,000 people at peak drive time. The show on Friday was all about the passage of the second part of the California Dream Act which allows illegals to apply for financial aid from the state. It is projected to cost California—which already is billions of dollars short of balancing its budget—around $40 million. The first part allowed illegals (who are already allowed to pay state-subsidized in-state tuition) to apply for privately funded aid which is indirectly subsidized by the state because these foundations are tax-exempt.

The show on Friday was non-stop outrage about the bill, including furious callers demanding  recall of legislators and an expletive-filled email from a U.S. citizen of  Mexican descent who is ashamed of his people. John and Ken also used their daily appearance on a TV news program (on KTLA, a popular local station) to vent their  anger to another large audience. Their website is mainly focused on the bill and has all the contact numbers of legislators and the governor so that citizens can express themselves on the bill.

This video of John and Ken discussing the Arizona anti-illegal immigrant law gives a flavor of what they are like.



So you’d figure that with all the interest and outrage about the bill that it would be headline news  in the LATimes. But I couldn’t find anything on it in the print edition at all. Only when I did an online search did I realize that the story was buried in another article about making it easier for farm workers to unionize—another Latino priority. Toward the end of the article, it simply said,

Among the measures lawmakers passed Friday was one to give college students who are illegal immigrants access to public financial aid.

That proposal is part of a two-bill package by Assemblyman Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles) known as the California Dream Act. Brown signed the first portion earlier this year, making undocumented students eligible for private aid. Although he has not said officially whether he will sign or veto the second measure, the governor said he was “positively inclined” to sign it.

So people who only read the pro-immigration, left-liberal Times (now owned by Jewish billionaire Sam Zell) would likely be in the dark on this, even though it generated great interest in a huge local audience.  It’s another example of how the media frames events—by omission as well as slanting stories. Black on White crime is the paradigm. Hard to get angry about things you don’t know about. And it definitely gives some insight into why the print media is dying when they ignore stories of vital interest to their White readers.

On the other hand, there are major leaks in the media monopoly. Talk radio, as well as local TV stations like KTLA eager for an audience, seem quite willing to air what is probably the angriest implicitly White media in the US. John and Ken never tire of discussing hot button issues for Whites–illegal immigration, Mexican pathology, opposition to tax increases, and government that is bloated, overpaid,corrupt, and prone to over-regulation. They definitely do not shill for the Republicans. Schwarzenegger was a perennial target when he was governor, and they are constantly berating Republicans who are soft on tax increases or deviate on their other big issues.

Of course the Internet is another major leak, with a whole lot of material that John and Ken would shy away from. They are certainly not ideal from the standpoint of White advocacy–e.g., they never mention legal immigration which is a much greater problem than illegal. (You know that America is really on the road to ruin when, in the midst of historically high unemployment levels that are creating a political crisis for Obama, no one in the political class or MSM breathes a word about immigration—except to suggest “comprehensive immigration reform” = amnesty for illegals.)

But John and Ken certainly tap into and stoke White rage and they often get away with saying amazingly negative things about Mexico and its massive drug cartel violence (~30,000 killed from 2006-2010) and about Latinos in the U.S.–for example, ridiculing the idea that Latino immigrants are going to solve the state’s need for a highly educated workforce. And that is all to the good.

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191 Comments to "The Implicitly White Outrage of John and Ken Versus the Black Hole of the LA Times"

  1. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 15, 2011 - 3:16 pm | Permalink


    I really like your comments, Harumpty. I wanted to say that first of all.

    And second, I want to comment on what you wrote here:

    “There are characters on the left who are very good at using humor. Wavy Gravy here in Berkeley where I live is one, with his Nobody for President campaign (Vote for Nobody, Nobody is in Washington working for you, Nobody keeps his campaign promises).

    Some youngsters or oldsters with gifts for satire and street humor would be helpful. And big husky guys to guard them. ”

    Two people that come to mind are Jon Stewart (Jew) and Stephen Colbert (Catholic).

    They are both highly successful, influential comedian commentators. No doubt they have a comedic gift. Unfortunately both are liberals. (I know some find the terms “liberal” and “conservative” vague and not always useful. I understand that.)

    I just wish they (or at least one of them, like Colbert) would see the light. He supports the homosexual agenda, “feminism”, amnesty, non-white immigration, etc.

  2. Sean Berman's Gravatar Sean Berman
    October 9, 2011 - 3:49 am | Permalink

    Hey if you’re here ILLEGALLY, you don’t deserve anything but a kick in the pants back to wherever you came from. Follow the law however and you deserve all the breaks that come your way.

    The media and stupid site like this are just race-baiting you to create trouble so you won’t see how much corruption and money laundering they do behind the scenes.


  3. Voir Dire's Gravatar Voir Dire
    September 25, 2011 - 1:07 am | Permalink


    “BTW Kevin once wrote an article or blog post about what to do if Jews wanted to join us, but I can’t find it anywhere.” – Gabor

    I hope someone will be able to post the link to that, since I’d really like to read it. – Harumphty_Dumpty

    My dear friend, H.D., and fellow allies, I’m not positive but I believe the post you’re referring to is the following (and yes… it’s noteworthy for it’s chronicling of the proof of sinister Jewish motives and responsibilities in the demographic sea change of America (and countless other subversions of White America) owing to THEIR 1965 (gag!) “Immigration Reform Act” and its catastrophic results:

    Hope you’ll read poster “Clytemnestra’s” gems as well as my own thoughts on that thread too.



  4. Mari's Gravatar Mari
    September 20, 2011 - 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Abe Goldstien

    If you really want to help the White cause you and your fellow Jews should just totally stop contributing money to any and all Jewish causes.

    ADL AJC SPLC ACLU NAACP ,all these are Jewish causes that advocate the eradiction of Whites. I don’t know how much money you donate to Jewish causes, but stop donating now.

    Talk with other Jews about it. Let them know that ADL and SPLC are out to destroy America and all but the wealthiest Jews along with the rest of the Whites.

    Virtually all of those anit semitic actions Foxman and Dees make a living from were committed by ADL AJC and SPLC to stampede naive rich Jews into giving them money to fight the non existent nazis.

    I first realized this in Los Angeles when Rabbi Kahane was still alive. He came around the middle of January every year. Usually around the middle of November a Jewish cemetery would be “descrated”. This always occurred the night the security cameras were not working. The descration consisted of some swatskaz sprayed on the outside wall of the cemetery.

    The Jewish papers of Los Angeles go on and on about the dangers of anti semetism and the presence of evil WASP neo nazis in Los Angeles although there are very few of the goyim left in Los Angeles.

    Then Kahane and the Israeli bond, ADL and AJC fundraisers would come to town after 2 months of rabble rousing about evil WASPS in the Jewish publications.

    Kahane, ADL, AJC and the goverment of Israeli would leave Los Angeles with millions donated by the gullible Jews.

    All evidence of anti semitism disappears until the next November when the fund raisers get their spray cans out, draw another swatstizka and the cycle begins again.

    Kahane is dead, but Foxman, the Israeli bond salesmen and the other Jewish organizations still get billions a year from the gullible Jews who think if they elect a Republican office holder another holocaust is imminent.

    Foxman and the rest of the Jewish leadership are schnorrers. They are essentially beggars who make a living from Jewish charity.

    But they do untold damage to the goyim in pursuing Jewish money to live their wealthy lifestyles.

    Foxman alone makes about 2 million a year. 500 thousand in salary and 1 and 1/2 million from speeches he makes to gullible Jews he has convinced the goyim must be exterminated or Hitler will reign again.

  5. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 15, 2011 - 1:46 pm | Permalink


    “BTW Kevin once wrote an article or blog post about what to do if Jews wanted to join us, but I can’t find it anywhere.”

    I hope someone will be able to post the link to that, since I’d really like to read it.

  6. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 15, 2011 - 10:08 am | Permalink

    @Gabor: It is impossible to deny that this site has the most scholarly articles, even if I disagree with the anti-Zionist fantasies. Dr. M did not become a tenured professor without some panache. So, basically I agree with him when his says America and its multiculturalism is a disaster, and I disagree when he blames it on Jews. If I weren’t Jewish, I would fit in fine here, and I’m most comfortable with intellectualism as a base for a counter attack on our currently disastrous culture.

  7. Gabor's Gravatar Gabor
    September 15, 2011 - 6:32 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty_Dumpty: I also wrote that what I saw as inconsistency could have been caused by haste, or anything else. (If you want to think about it, you can find a large number of plausible explanations, like he just didn’t want to waste too much time arguing about something he didn’t know, so he just agreed Kevin was a great scholar. Or maybe he had in the meantime read some articles by Kevin, and concluded that Kevin after all must be a serious scholar, even if his views are totally wrong. Or whatever else.)

    I merely stated that that was why I started to have doubts. I agree it really doesn’t matter as much if what Abe states of himself is true or not. It was good to think about what we would do if a Jew wanted to join us. I think having a separate Jewish organization would be a good idea, and at present I can think of no disadvantages to that.

    BTW Kevin once wrote an article or blog post about what to do if Jews wanted to join us, but I can’t find it anywhere.

  8. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 15, 2011 - 1:53 am | Permalink


    Beautiful. I’m going to post this info on the bugster site immediately. Thanks.
    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

  9. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 15, 2011 - 12:32 am | Permalink

    Thanks for your IT tips. I discussed the problem with a work colleague – he suggested a work-around. Every time I get banned from a site, I unplug my modem, and my ISP then re-issues me with a new ISP#. I then invent some nom de plume and some bogus email and it works just fine. I’m back giving the libertarians a little dose of political incorrectness.

  10. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 14, 2011 - 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Great comment. I also see many Jews as useful idiots for their puppet-master elders.

  11. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 14, 2011 - 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Gabor, good idea about the emails. I made two very good friends in real life (and they’re the friends who’ve been most influential in turning me on to the Jewish aspect of our problems!) through the email capability at Amren. Excellent idea!

    Btw, my paragraph that began, “I think we try to deduce too much from a paucity of clues…” was intended as a response to your comment about Abe, not as a comment on our views in general.

  12. Gabor's Gravatar Gabor
    September 14, 2011 - 7:21 pm | Permalink


    I have to make this my very last post, but will continue to read the thread.

    If you don’t have time, or feel you’re wasting time here, then of course that’s OK. However, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with commenting a lot on a thread abandoned by others some time ago… :)

    Another thought:

    I don’t think calling each other Jews achieves anything at all in the direction of finding out who is Jewish and who is not.

    If you keep it civil, it might. If you politely ask that, then the other might answer something, which of course would be a help. If he denies, how does he do that, what does he say he is instead (he must have some ancestry). It’s also an answer if one ignores the question several times, over and over again, as if it was never asked. You wouldn’t believe but it’s not very easy to produce consistent lies without contradicting yourself over a long time period. (On the already mentioned Hungarian forum a guy claimed to be a Catholic priest when he wasn’t, another one claimed to be member of the US Army serving in Iraq. He was established to have served in the Hungarian Defense Force before, and also to have moved to the US subsequently, even becoming a US citizen, but apparently never to have served in the US Army. It’s not easy to lie a lot, all the time.) So of course newcomers should always be approached with more suspicion (and more polite manners, I add), just like IRL you would do with someone you don’t know. Once he’s been here for a while, and not caught on any contradictions, he could be more and more accepted for what he claims to be.

  13. Gabor's Gravatar Gabor
    September 14, 2011 - 7:03 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty_Dumpty: If the idea is to form a community, I think besides trying to keep the communications civil, some form of being able to send personal messages would be essential. That way, some people might realize they live close to each other, and would meet up. Some readers, who don’t want to post comments, might nevertheless write a message to one commenter or another, etc.

  14. Gabor's Gravatar Gabor
    September 14, 2011 - 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Another thing that might be good would be to be able to make an email address public. (I don’t want my present email address to be made public, but maybe I’d use another email address for that. Obviously I don’t want my full name and my primary email address be made public.) I think being able to send private messages (email or otherwise) helps, because some people would converse (maybe even meet IRL) separately, and such more personal knowledge helps a lot. Of course, if a few people came here with the intention of disrupting conversation, they would already know each other, so they would have a total advantage.

  15. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 14, 2011 - 6:49 pm | Permalink


    (I just responded to your earlier post, but my post is awaiting moderation since it contains links)

    I’m assuming that your last paragraph here, in addition to just being informational, is also supporting that websites not prohibit their posters from calling each other Jews (wow, I suddenly seem to recall that for a time at least, even VNN was prohibiting that, with all the nastiness they allow! I may be mistaken), since being Jewish offers important indications of other things. I would agree with the latter of course, but I don’t think calling each other Jews achieves anything at all in the direction of finding out who is Jewish and who is not. It just dissolves the opportunity for community to form IMO.

    I have to make this my very last post, but will continue to read the thread.

  16. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 14, 2011 - 6:35 pm | Permalink


    I think we try to deduce too much from a paucity of clues. I always wonder if this trait has resulted in part from the influence on our culture of the Sherlock Holmes books, added of course to our natural tendency as humans to jump to conclusions!

    A single clue, or a handful of clues, can be the visible tip of various differing realities, as any police detective who hasn’t yet solved his case knows. But when Sherlock Holmes was presented with a clue, he always magically knew exactly which reality his clue was the visible tip of! And the author of the Holmes stories had the gall to have his protagonist refer to his preternatural ability as “deduction,” I believe!

    A slight reading in the history of physics, plus the shock of discovering that much of the “truth” that had resided bone-deep in me about the Holocaust® was in fact just shlock has made me very slow ever since to come to definite conclusions about ANYthing.

    I googled Abe and found a post of his on a conservative site, and also discovered that “Abe Goldstein” was apparently a legendary New York City pawnbroker in the first half of the last century, I believe. Someone Abe admires perhaps, for some reason. Who knows!

    I have got to quit posting right now and prepare for my trip that’s going to begin with the Duke/Stormfront powwow near Knoxville this Saturday, where the Great White Fathers will instruct us injuns in their exciting new approach to fighting the anti-Whites. The same approach that’s being used so effectively online by the bugsters over at Bob Whitaker’s site (I keep thinking I’ve seen your name over there). At least I think that’s what the confab is going to principally be about:

    Here’s the link to the powwow, if anyone still wants to register and attend:

    Gabor, I wonder if you had any thoughts about my suggestions above for improving the quality of comment sections on white sites. But please don’t feel urged to respond unless you wish to of course.

  17. Gabor's Gravatar Gabor
    September 14, 2011 - 6:17 pm | Permalink


    I don’t believe people can even tell who’s Jewish and who’s not anyway, not that that much matters

    Harumphty, I think I have somewhat different perspectives than most other commenters, because I’m Hungarian. The Hungarian web is not only smaller (sadly, I can think of many Hungarian political blogs or sites where commenting activity is much higher than on this website), but Hungary in general is a smaller country. Here many people comment from all over the world (though probably mostly Americans), but even the US is a very large country. It’s impossible to organize commenter meetings (like, for a dinner and a few glasses of beer or water, depending on what one likes), nobody knows personally nobody else, etc.

    So I have some experience (I would say more experience than most) in knowing in what ways people are different on the web vs. IRL, and in what ways they aren’t. E.g. sometimes the most ferocious pro-Israel commenters turn out to be gentile. I would say in some ways they are the most rigid pro-Israel ones, because they have some stupid principles that make them behave that way, which they never break. Jews, so to speak, wear their pro-Israel attitudes more casually, I don’t know if that makes sense to you. So they’ll freely admit to some faults of Israel, if they think that will help Israel, or make them look more convincing, or whatever.

  18. Gabor's Gravatar Gabor
    September 14, 2011 - 6:05 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty_Dumpty: I disagree.

    I agree that nastiness is wrong, but I wouldn’t restrict freedom of expression so much. I would just not allow comments that are not civil. I think it’s very easy to do. All you have to do is not insulting the other. I had quite civil conversations with the (unfortunately gone – he claimed to have been banned) nick “Caleb”, although I told him several times I thought he was a Jew. (He didn’t deny it, just wrote it was not important whether he was a Jew or not, because in America it didn’t matter, and hey, Jews are so talented, they contributed in so many ways to American society, that in America nobody thinks Jews are bad etc.)

  19. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 14, 2011 - 5:56 pm | Permalink

    @Old Glory:

    “Harumphty_Dumpty – are you a jew?

    It seems like you whine and babble endlessly – these are jew traits – Woody Allen Syndrome…..”

    I think this post contributes little other than sowing discord, even if without intention, and would probably be best not responded too.

  20. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 14, 2011 - 5:54 pm | Permalink


    “Go F yourself”

    I think this post contributes little other than sowing discord, even if without intention, and would probably be best not responded too.

  21. Gabor's Gravatar Gabor
    September 14, 2011 - 5:54 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty_Dumpty: I only thought he’s not for real is his quick acceptance of Kevin MacDonald as a serious scholar. He either is not quite familiar with Kevin’s work (likely, if what he stated subsequently is true), in which it’s difficult to explain why he accepts him (he can know only the anti-Semitic nature of his work, with which he had issues in his earlier statements), or he knows it well, which would not be consistent with the way he was trying to debate us. So he doesn’t seem to be a real Jew to me, or at least he is distorting several things.

    Of course, there’s the possibility that it’s all just because he wrote his comments hastily, etc.

  22. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 14, 2011 - 5:43 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t spent much time at Stormfront, but they seem to have considerable community spirit. I wonder what their posting policies are. Their site is quite elaborate, with all kinds of bells and whistles…e.g. posters give other posters “rep points” when they like their posts.

  23. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 14, 2011 - 5:25 pm | Permalink

    A friend of mine who posts on a lot of white websites told me this morning that a lot of them are having tremendous problems with their comment sections (in particular incogman whose comment section has apparently been so infiltrated and disrupted that its managers can’t make sense anymore of who should be banned and who should not be. Amren is having serious problems in its comment section now also. And some other sites).

    This site doesn’t seem to me to be having the same degree of problem, but certainly there is some problem, plus a large number of posts seem very lackluster compared to what I remember them being some time ago when I was here. Which means some good posters have gotten fed up with one thing or another and have left.

    This is not a situation in which the community we need to form can form.

    So I make this initial proposal to all websites who wish to consider it:

    Maybe the “solution” is to remove ANY post that attacks ANY other poster in a fashion the mods consider to be NASTY, and to remove ANY post that accuses anyone else of being a JEW. (Because accusations of being a Jew ACCOMPLISH NOTHING GOOD for a thread. And I don’t believe people can even tell who’s Jewish and who’s not anyway, not that that much matters).

    The sites could have a STOCK PHRASE they allow posters to use when they think a post has been made just to sow discord (by a suspected Jew or not!), or will have the effect of just sowing discord, something like, “I think this post contributes little other than sowing discord, even if without intention, and would probably be best not responded too.” The site should insist that that stock phase be used exactly as decreed without the slightest alteration, and that when used, that it’s the sole content of the post it’s used in. And posters should be urged to use it with restraint and not indiscriminately.

    That phrase itself would be misused of course, but at least it’s a mild phrase, and it and the restriction to mildness in remarks on the character of other posters might create very different threads than are occurring today, and might allow some formation of community to begin to take place. Worth a try. I think my suggestions don’t inhibit vitriol toward CONTENT when vitriol is deemed necessary by the posters who prefer to write that way.

    Websites by their very nature have OPEN BORDERS, so that just as in our nation at large, our freedom of speech and other freedoms don’t function for the native group as they were intended to function, when persons with interests alien to ours can flood through our borders and misuse our freedoms in ways that prevent us from forming cohesive communities.

    So some regrettable restriction of freedom of expression is necessary if we are to become community from these forums.

    I think my suggestions above restrict freedom of speech minimally since they DON’T RESTRICT SUBSTANTIVE CONTENT.

    We must start forming community, and measures should be taken to that end that are effective in the circumstances in which we find ourselves at present.

  24. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 14, 2011 - 12:22 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty_Dumpty: I didn’t mean for the boys to turn on you, but thanks for being reasonable. It does seem possible that I have some Jewish allies out there, speaking of those boys who left amren and formed a mirror, but pro-semitic race realist group.
    As for this site, I’m not trying to soften anyone up, but prove I’m here because of my hatred for West Indian (in the sense of Caribbean, i.e. BWI for British West Indies) blacks. I found this site on google somehow, I don’t remember the words I searched for but maybe it was white separatism or intellectual racism or academic treatment of white peaceful separatists. What it gets down to is I wish we would ship the blacks out of here, and you guys would accept me as white -hell, I even have natural blond hair and blue eyes, for (insert deity here’s) sake.
    Funny thing is, most gentiles who accept me as white are pro negro! Goofy situation. I may not belong anywhere what with the way I think – sitting here behind the counter, waiting for some pathetic dark skinned loser to come in here between my internet surfing sessions and pawn tacky jewelry from their dead grandma, or some disgusting hoochie-mama ranting on about her stupid boyfriend while she sells the rings the dumb bastard bought her. Whoever brought these people here, even if it is a fellow Jewish person, committed treason!

  25. James's Gravatar James
    September 13, 2011 - 11:31 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Actually they were fighting to turn their country into a non-white nation. They perhaps didn’t know it though.
    Signing up to shoot Germans was pretty dumb. If non-whites were invading Germany now, what would you say? But when whites did it in 1945 it was OK for some reason.
    The lack of thought amongst military men is mind-boggling.

  26. Old Glory's Gravatar Old Glory
    September 13, 2011 - 10:20 pm | Permalink

    It seems like you whine and babble endlessly – these are jew traits – Woody Allen Syndrome…..

  27. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 13, 2011 - 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Now watch Abe come along and tell everyone that he can tell I’m no Jew. That’ll clinch the matter!

    This is soooo interesting to me, you guys have no idea. On all the threads I’ve seen where someone was being accused of being jewish, I thought, how do they know? What are the telltale signs? Why can’t I see it? Are these folks so much more perceptive than I am?

    Well, now I know the truth!

  28. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 13, 2011 - 8:15 pm | Permalink

    OMG, I’m unmasked. Abe, do you have room for me in your yeshiva?

  29. Old Glory's Gravatar Old Glory
    September 13, 2011 - 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Harumphty_Dumpty – are you a jew?

  30. Helvena's Gravatar Helvena
    September 13, 2011 - 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t take you long to respond HD, sitting at your keyboard seeing if the fish would bit? You blew your cover sweets.

  31. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 13, 2011 - 5:47 pm | Permalink


    “Go F yourself.”

    Try to control yourself, Helvena. I know it’s aggravating to have to read umpteen posts before finally discovering one sentence that with just a slight rewording can be construed by the ever vigilant as deviationism!

    Now that you’ve been unnecessarily nasty, I guess I should try to remember to irritate you again whenever I can. With that attitude on my part and your attitude on your part, I’m sure that together we can build a strong movement.

    If that divisiveness was what Abe was aiming at (I doubt it, but I could be wrong), congrats on offering your assistance to him.

    And I’ll leave the last word to you if you wish it (well, maybe), but think before you post…think what you’re really trying to accomplish here.

    Now if you want to have a respectful discussion about that last point, I’m up for it. I can think of several somewhat conflicting purposes this site may usefully be serving.

    No hard feelings on my part, unless creating them is what you truly want to do, since I sometimes fly off the handle too.

  32. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 13, 2011 - 7:33 am | Permalink

    Interesting…I’ve been diverted into thinking about the probably futile task of getting some Jews to work on our side, instead of using my time to hustle over to Bob Whitaker’s site and bugster a bit to try to get more Whites to work on our side. Foolishness!

    Maybe not, since some important things got said here, and hopefully some Whites do wonder over here to check us out.

  33. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 13, 2011 - 5:01 am | Permalink

    I wanted to ask him how he found this site…Abe, how did you end up here?

    I’m guessing he’s what he says he is, or close to it…a small business owner who has to deal with West Indians. He seems genuinely p. o.’d to me. Just my guess.

    If he’s for real, I wonder where his feelings will carry him eventually. I’m confused why some Jews who appear to be sincere want to be part of a place like this or of Amren. Are they like some of us, the ones of us who have an irresistible attraction to “the other”? It feels a little creepy sometimes. Especially since almost all the Jews I’ve known or had contact with want to “set things straight,” wherever they go.

    A lot of Jews have some kind of thing for gentiles. When I was a young man living in NYC for a few years, I had more women interested in me than I ever had before or since. I think a lot of them didn’t care for Jewish men.

    If we had their intelligence and abilities fighting for our interests, instead of fighting for their interests against ours, we’d be out of the woods real quick.

    When faced with a weird movement challenge, I always ask myself what Abbie Hoffman would have done.

    Abbie would mount a huge parody of a campaign of some sort, maybe highly publicized “revival” meetings that offer odd and humorous rituals and oaths by which Jews could “convert” to White. Don’t snicker, Abbie would know how to do it…he was a genius at getting laughs and getting publicity…”DAVID DUKE INVITES JEWS TO BECOME WHITE.” That wouldn’t fit David’s personality, but if we had an outrageous leader like Hoffman, he could play it to the hilt as a huge joke that points out a zillion important points and makes the news folks happy to have a good story. And in some weird way might actually get some Jews to work in alliance with us without being a threat to us.

    Maybe someone will show up who has the talent for that sort of thing, for all kinds of purposes. There are characters on the left who are very good at using humor. Wavy Gravy here in Berkeley where I live is one, with his Nobody for President campaign (Vote for Nobody, Nobody is in Washington working for you, Nobody keeps his campaign promises).

    Some youngsters or oldsters with gifts for satire and street humor would be helpful. And big husky guys to guard them.

  34. Gabor's Gravatar Gabor
    September 13, 2011 - 3:01 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    May I remind you of the possibility that “Abe Goldstein” might very well be a Jewish troll

    I dunno, if I had to bet, and we had a way of knowing, I would say he’s fake in one way or another. But on the interwebs you can be a Japanese teenager or an aging black woman if you like. :)

  35. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 12, 2011 - 10:59 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:

    :) I like that name.

    There’s also Nicholas Stix (Jewish). And others I don’t know the names of (don’t know much about Stix either). I think a bunch of people connected with amren broke away and set up their own website because they considered Amren to be TOO anti-Jewish! (Which may mean they’re too nuts to bother with. I think some of them were Jewish). I don’t know the names involved or their website, but if you wanted to ask around on different white websites, someone could know. And for an experience, be sure to visit Alex Linder’s VNN website and tell them you’re Jewish when you arrive! Ha ha! That’s a rough and tumble place, but Linder is brilliant IMO and I love reading and listening to him, and some posters there are great too.

    My favorite guy right now is Bob Whitaker. I’ve listened to the first few of his early podcasts listed at the link just below, and I recommend them most highly to everyone. (An approach he’s developed for combating anti-Whites and mainstreaming our movement is apparently going to be the focus of the David Duke/ Stormfront conference coming up this weekend):

    Whitaker has an impressive background, and his wisdom goes way beyond Jewish matters, which may just be subsumed under his general ideas.

    I went back and read a little bit of the long book review on the Brown case that I had linked and made use of above, and realized I had a very shallow understanding of the complexities of that case, as an extraordinary judicial event with many cultural currents feeding into it (for example, why was Earl Warren, who became Chief Justice in the middle of the case, such an un-strict constructionist? What has made so many judges and Justices today un-strict constructionists? According to a recent article in the New Yorker on Justice Thomas, only he and to some degree Scalia think it necessary to try to ascertain the intent of the authors of the Constitution and its Amendments and to abide by those intents! I certainly don’t have enough knowledge to say to what extent that’s the result of Jewish effects on our society, or of our own Enlightenment-rooted self-destructive currents, or of other factors of which I have no knowledge. I’m pretty certain it’s some combination of all three, is all I can say personally about the takeover of the legislative function in this country by the courts.

    I’m sure there’s been plenty written about that last, but until the influence of Jews in that development and in all aspects of present American life can be investigated openly, NO aspect of present American life can be given an honest account of. And so no body of knowledge can be accumulated that really provides the basis for the kind of solid debate on Jewish influence that historians can have on most other historical matters.

  36. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 12, 2011 - 10:13 pm | Permalink

    @Gabor: You also make a great deal of sense. I need to think of a catchy name for my group, one that fits in a website name. Plus, maybe this Gottfried character could provide the scholarly underpinnings you boys have with Dr. M.
    Jew United With White Race Realists. If we nail someone, speaking academically, we could say the were JUWWRR’ed!

  37. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 12, 2011 - 10:05 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty_Dumpty: Sounds completely reasonable, I don’t know if anyone will listen to me – but I agree that Dr. MacDonald is a serious scholar, and I totally support open inquiry, even if it makes a few Jewish people look bad. Free speech is another thing we will lose when the non Europeans take over, as well as a free press.

  38. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 12, 2011 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

    @ABe Goldstein:
    I believe Piper Collins’ Final Judgment offers the missing piece in the JFK puzzle.

    And not one part (over 3 million in a typical passenger plane) with a serial number and log record of the mythical airplanes has ever been offered to corroborate the official conspiracy theory.

  39. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 12, 2011 - 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Re my post above (awaiting moderation…apologies for the two off-topic posts, moderator; I should have just emailed those) about the Jefferson Memorial, Wiki has this:

    University of Alberta history professor Ronald Hamowy has called the inscriptions “[p]erhaps the most egregious examples of invoking Jefferson for purely transient political purposes.” Hamowy argues that:

    “Planned and built during the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt, the walls of the memorial are adorned with quotations from Jefferson’s writings, many of which suggest that Jefferson advocated positions consistent with the aims of the New Deal—with which he would, in fact, have had little sympathy. Thus, Jefferson’s admonition that an educated electorate was essential if liberty were to be preserved is transmuted into a call for universal public education. And his caution that man, as he advances in his understanding of the world, must accompany his greater enlightenment with changes in his social institutions becomes a justification for a new theory of government in keeping with the social-democratic principles that animated the New Deal.[8]
    The excerpts chosen from the Declaration have been criticized because the first half alters Jefferson’s prose (for the sake of saving space) and eliminates the right of revolution passage that Jefferson believed was the point of the Declaration, while much of the second half (from “solemnly publish” to “divine providence”) was not written by Jefferson.”[9]

    The fifth sentence quoted on the northeast interior wall (“Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than these people are to be free.”) has been called “misleadingly truncated” by historian Garry Wills, because Jefferson’s sentence continued with: “Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government.”[10]

    Woody Guthie said that life has a way of not staying hitched. I guess that’s true of even our founding fathers whose memory seems solidified in stone.

    I still wonder if there are stenographic or other accounts of the meetings in which these decisions were made, and the details of the discussions could be written about. Maybe not. Or maybe the two authors mentioned made use of them.

  40. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 12, 2011 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of scholarship and the lack thereof, what scholar has written a monograph, or investigative journalist written an article, on how Thomas Jefferson’s statement graven on his Memorial,

    ‘Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free” (referring to the slaves)

    …was selected to be placed there over all the other quotes of his that could have been chosen, despite the gall required to select that particular quote, considering that Jefferson’s immediately following words (not included on his Memorial of course) were,

    “Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.”

    Was it perhaps not a matter of gall at all, but simply that at the time of erecting the Memorial the latter statement of Jefferson was so widely accepted as being self-evident that no slight to Jefferson’s views was intended by just including the first part?

    Were the attitudes that prevailed at that time such that in my historical ignorance I’m just totally in the dark about why it was done?

    Or was it done for the reasons I would suspect from the attitudes I hold from being alive under today’s Zeitgeist, those reasons being either the subversive efforts of anti-Whites who were Jewish or not Jewish or both?

    As with the notorious addition to the Statue of Liberty of Jewish Socialist Emma Lazarus’ wretched words (“Give me your…huddled masses…wretched refuse…), it’s easy to imagine Jewish involvement. I’ve never seen anything written about the process of the selection for the quote or the atmosphere in which it took place.

    What I know for sure is that in the context of today’s world, the truncating of Jefferson’s complete remark to inscribe only part of it on his Memorial is a slap in the face of Whites, and it enrages me every time it crosses my mind!

    It’s probably a bit too strong for John and Ken to handle, but a caller to their show could possibly recount the fact, if it were introduced in a suitable context, such as, say, a discussion of some public announcement that left out important relevant information.

  41. Gabor's Gravatar Gabor
    September 12, 2011 - 6:13 pm | Permalink

    @ABe Goldstein: Abe, I think you could start your group first without worrying about WNists on this site or wherever. (WNists are a fringe group anyway.) As you already mentioned, any further browning of the US is against YOUR personal interests (IMHO, it’s against the interests of Jews as a group either), therefore, if I were in your shoes, I would start that organization sometime yesterday morning.

    I cannot guarantee that WNists will forgive you automatically. At the very least, for forgiveness, you need to say you’re sorry. Which presupposes you’ve already accepted your guilt, and you regret it. (We know groups can be guilty. Otherwise, why would the German taxpayers, virtually all of whom were born after WWII, be still paying reparations for the sins of their fathers and grandfathers?) As Harumphty Dumpty already mentioned, it’s impossible to even research the topic without total loss of academic reputation.

    The only Jewish academic who (while of course not accepting central Jewish role) endorses such research is Paul Gottfried. He is against the neocon hijacking of US foreign policy in the service of Israel (and against neocon hijacking of conservative immigration policies etc.), although he is definitely not anti-Israel. (I don’t expect a Jew to be anti-Israel, I accept their attachment to that country – but they should also accept that I don’t share their attachment, and that their countries of residence might have interests diametrically opposed to that of Israel, in which case it’s treason to support Israel against their countries of residence. If you love Israel even against the interests of your country of residence, then move to Israel.) Now Paul Gottfried is just one person, and not very influential at that. But his behavior is the kind of behavior I would expect as a minimum from a Jewish pro-white organization.

  42. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 12, 2011 - 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Stormfront also has an “edit” function, where at least for a short period of time (I think it should definitely be very short) a poster can make corrections to his post even after it’s posted.

    Maybe this might not be a good idea on such an argumentative site as this impression is that Stormfront is less argumentative…not sure.

  43. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 12, 2011 - 5:03 pm | Permalink

    P.S. to thread manager: I wish this site could offer a “preview” view of how one’s post will appear, previous to its actually being posted, as Stormfront and some other sites do. For some reason, no matter how much I review how I’ve expressed my comment before I post it, once it appears in its final posted form, I always immediately see infelicitous phrasing that needs to be changed!

  44. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 12, 2011 - 4:48 pm | Permalink

    If civilization survives (meaning of course the present structures and underpinnings of life that were invented by the White race and which now encompass virtually all the world), future historians will write endless monographs and treatises, and will produce an endless stream of vigorous arguments in scholarly journals, on the subject of the Jewish role in creating our present period of degeneration of civilization and degeneration of the race that produced civilization. The Jewish role will be of as much scholarly interest and debate as the contribution of slavery to causing our War of Secession.

    But contrast the present situation: Since Jewish elites and their collaborationists do not want the topic of Jewish involvement in undermining our old order TO BE ADDRESSED AT ALL, we are dependent on the work of ONE SINGLE SCHOLAR, Prof. Kevin MacDonald!

    From an academic point of view, that’s an absolutely absurd situation!

    As being at the very least an important topic, the Jewish role in transforming our society should have a large academic following devoted to its study!

    As inevitably happens with all great groundbreaking works of scholarship in ANY area, Prof. MacDonald’s works will doubtless need revision, as new information and new understandings emerge. But like all great groundbreaking works of scholarship, his fundamental points will probably remain correct in many important ways.

    So until Jews and their collaborationists get out of the way of open inquiry, Prof. MacDonald’s work is the best we have, and it’s awfully good.

    So Abe, the Jewish group that others here and myself are recommending that you form could provide another service toward solving our mutual problems (since problems are best solved when they are first understood) by calling for an end to the prohibition of investigating the Jewish role in creating those problems. Your group can make an open call for the topic to receive the scholarly attention it deserves, an attention which may eventually affirm your own views, who knows?

    We must know with accuracy the sources of our problems, or else we are just fighting symptoms. But there’s no time for us to wait forever for certainty on every small point. The overall picture is pretty clear even to irresolute minds like my own.

  45. ABe Goldstein's Gravatar ABe Goldstein
    September 12, 2011 - 8:16 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:
    You and Gabor speak very well, and much of what you say makes sense from a certain perspective. If I were to find such a race realist group among my friends, would you be willing to make a statement regarding us being friends? A peace treaty of a sort?
    Unfortunately for all of us Gabor, if you are looking to the US for leadership on the continuation of the white race, or it being the last hope, be ready to be disapointed. It is a horrible melting pot of complete 3rd world losers in New York. I don’t get out much but I hear the rest of the country is just as screwed up. I can make a living here, but I don’t like looking at most of my neighbors or customers, and I have no sense of community.
    Here is what I don’t understand – why would they want to move to a non white country, either?

  46. Gabor's Gravatar Gabor
    September 12, 2011 - 1:43 am | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein: Abe, let me first tell you that I’m not even American. I’m here on this American site only because I think without the US the rest of the white race is lost as well. Still, let me try to give you some advice.

    First, as you surely noticed, there is a considerable hostility, or at the very least distrust towards you on this site, and probably among WNists all over the world. The reasons for that are well-known: neocon Jews were allowed into the US conservative establishment, and they hijacked it into a multiculturalist direction, with the US as a proposition nation where everybody (at least, everybody from the Third World) is and should be welcome, etc., and previously mainstream US conservatives (like Pat Buchanan) got totally sidelined. Now in Europe, many nationalist parties are letting in Jews, but there’s some anxiety over what they are going to do there. The track record is not very good, but we’ll see.

    So, I cannot propose in good conscience to the American WNists here on this site to stop bickering and arguing about who killed who, and welcome Jews with open arms and warm hearts into their midst. However, I would like to propose you a way out, which you might find useful.

    My proposal is simple: instead of joining WNist organizations, start your own Jewish racist (your word) organization. This organization would probably grow quickly, since Jews are known to be more politically active than the rest of the population (that’s so everywhere, so probably in the US as well), and as you just wrote, a third of your people think like you. Now having a separate Jewish organization would be mutually beneficial.

    It would be beneficial for gentile WNists, because a lot of Jews and a whole (and very large, in relative terms) Jewish organization would be supporting them against Third World immigration, affirmative action, etc. It would also mean that gentile WNists would not need to worry about Jewish infiltration, since there would be a separate Jewish organization.

    It would also be beneficial for Jews, since, as you just pointed out, Jews are not prone to ethnic networking, subversion, etc. (it’s mainly the field of gentiles, apparently), and they only make up 2% of the population. Therefore, in an all-white (including Jews) organization Jews would quickly be marginalized, and you couldn’t have your own voice. You also told me that your ethnic group is just very loosely associated, so it would help there also: you could better organize your community, which is currently – if what you said is to be believed – quite disorganized, quarreling, etc.

  47. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    September 11, 2011 - 11:37 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:
    Dear Mr.Goldstein,I hope you understand that the essence of the problem is the conflict between individual and collective responsibility. As an individual you and many other Jews may be perfectly innocent, but Jews as a group behave in a manner that is on balance always detrimental to their host population.This being the case,how can you blame us to be suspicious of every Jew?I admit it may be unfounded in individual cases but it all comes down to risk profiling.Compare it with the situation in Israel.Israeli authorities at the airport do not suffer from political correctness when it comes to searching passengers.They don’t search rabbi’s or Jewish housewives,they only search Arabs from a certain age group.That is risk profiling that makes sense because in their situation Arabs
    belong to a risk group.In our situation Jews belong to a risk group.

    As for Jews not being a “mob syndicate”,no the whole people are not one huge criminal organization,but they have a collective mentality on which Jewish organizations can build when they behave immorally,which is often the case. Furthermore the sense of ethnic solidarity and mutual help brings Jews to helping other Jews even if they are clearly morally wrong (salient example: support for Jonathan Pollard).

    You advise us to read Haaretz to see how much Jews quarrell among themselves.I often read Haaretz and I must say I am impressed by the openness and honesty with which they debate things.People like Gideon Levy and Amira Hass are indeed admirable, but they belong to a small and despised minority in Israel.Need I draw attention to the case of new historian Ilan Pappe who had to flee the country due to death threats? Such people really do exist,but can they change the overall policy of Israel?
    Again a question of individual versus collective responsibility!

  48. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 11, 2011 - 11:34 pm | Permalink

    If you read all of Vincent Bugliosi’s book “Reclaiming History – The Assasination Of President Kennedy” you would not believe in the grassy knoll theory.
    Lee Harvey Oswald – a left wing, non-Jewish Castro worshipper, killed Kennedy all by himself. Bugliosi is Italian, agnostic, and not a Jew and none of you would last 5 minutes in an argument with the guy.
    As far as the towers – if you can prove an airliner was blasted from the sky after retrieving parts strewn out all over a large area, you can certainly find evidence of a blast in a pile of rubble – where’s the proof?

  49. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 11, 2011 - 11:27 pm | Permalink

    @Old Glory:
    Ponzi himself, Billie Sol Estes, Stanford Investments, Frank Abagnale, Soapy Smith, etc…lots of non Jewish crooks.
    I’d like to know the percentage of Jews actually in jail.

  50. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 11, 2011 - 10:55 pm | Permalink

    For me, 9/11 is a touchstone, and anyone giving me the grassy-knoll put-down is either gormless or quite sinister. Turning countless thousands of tons of structural steel into nano-dust is not something that L-plated Arab pilots, kerosene, carpet-tiles or gravity go anywhere near explaining. The media looked after the psy-op side of the operation, but the actual demolition can only be explained satisfactorily by military means.

  51. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    September 11, 2011 - 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Hello, Mr. Goldstein:

    I confess I am clueless as to why you are wasting your time on a board with people who do not like or trust you. It seems to me that it is counterproductive to some agenda or the other. You would be better off trying to convert your brethren to the notion that in a race war, it is your skin color not your religion that is your uniform. How many of your own people have been inadvertently caught up in Non-White violence? Chandra Levy, for example, was NOT killed by her married WASP lover, Gary Condit, but raped and killed by an illegal Mestizo from El Salvador, Ingmar Guandique thanks to YOUR people opening the floodgates of both legal and illegal Non-White immigration to this country.

    Believe it or not, I feel sorry for most of you Jews, because you are caught between the rock and the hard place that is the criminal, treacherous antics of your elite and the corresponding resentment of Non-Jews. When, like Chandra Levy, you aren’t victimized Caucasians yourselves.

    Though they talk a mean game about how much they care about their own people – “Never Again!” – your leadership loves to play a psychotic game of chicken with the host populations, knowing that they have their own golden parachutes packed and ready to go when it is time to bail and that those of you who don’t will be the sacrificial lambs that they can tearfully exploit after the next pogrom, ethnic cleansing, or Holocaust.

    However, I seriously doubt there is going to be a star-spangled, red-white-blue anti-Jewish pogrom in the USA. I just believe that most Whites increasingly share my state of mind. They are going to give you enough rope to hang yourselves. They are going to shut up and then sit on their hands and not do a damned thing when the little rainbow pack of aggrieved, self-entitled monsters raze YOUR gated communities The Day The EBT Card Stops Working.

    I don’t WANT another White Nationalist Hero like Hitler to mistakenly rise up and bail you out of the mess you’ve made. First and foremost, you never learn a damned thing from it and it only intensifies your own view of yourselves as victimized innocents. AFAIC, the ONLY hope for White Non-Jews is let you fail and fail spectacularly rather than save you from yourself even if it buys more time for the country. I’d rather see the country burnt to a crisp and start over from scratch then repeat a vicious, self-defeating cycle.

    So, if you are going to be saved from yourselves, it is going to have to come from the savvier, right-thinking Jews who are the sharper knives in the Semitic Drawer. That is going to involve “right-thinking” Jews to enforce discipline on their own instead of circling the wagons defensively and indignantly whining about Antisemitism whenever someone has the temerity to notice the antics of Jews who behave badly.

    Instead of hanging out at WNist sites and get chummy with people who are inclined to be suspicious of you, you’d be better off creating Conservative, Right-Wing, Pro-Caucasian Jewish sites, IMO. Good luck.

  52. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 11, 2011 - 10:18 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:

    The Kenneth Clark sociological “research” funded by the American Jewish Committee is what finally carried the day in the Brown school desegregation decision, and Jewish Justice Felix Frankfurter, in connivance with the Jewish Federal prosecutor Philip Elman, was the chief advocate of taking the innovative judicial course of regarding such “evidence.”

    No Jews, and no Jewish connivance; then no Brown decision.

    Yes, the whites involved were eagerly digging their own grave, but the Jewish involvement was what made it happen rather than not happen! What the devil, the case was brought to the Supreme Court by the NAACP, a Jewish-founded and Jewish-led organization!

    I don’t know how you feel about the wars we’re fighting right now, but certainly you know at the very least that Israel is, uh, highly in favor of them. So maybe you’d care to respond to this also:

    If anyone doubts that Israel wags the U.S. dog, listen to Sec. of State George Schultz, President Jimmy Carter, Senator William Fulbright, and U.N. Arms Inspector Scott Ritter:

    “We fought the supplement and fought it hard. President Reagan and I weighed in personally making numerous calls to Senators and Congressman. The supplement sailed right by us and was approved by Congress as though President Reagan and I had not even been there. I was astonished and disheartened. This brought home for me vividly Israel’s leverage in our Congress.”

    (Former Sec. of State George Schultz on page 112 of his memoirs “Turmoil and Triumph.” Scroll down about 1/4 of the page at the following link):

    How is that leverage maintained? The Israel lobby has the organization and the money to defeat in the next election any Senator or Representative who opposes their aims (See former Illinois congressman Paul Findley’s book,”They Dare to Speak Out”).

    Jimmy Carter affirms Findley’s point:

    “…AIPAC. It’s the most effective lobby that I have ever seen,..if anyone wants to be elected or re-elected to Congress it would be inconceivable that they would say, ‘If I’m elected I’m going to take a balanced position between Israel and the Palestinians,’…It would be political suicide.”

    One Senator defeated by this lobby was Senator William Fulbright of Arkansas:

    “…Fulbright responded: ‘…the Israelis control the policy in the Congress and the Senate…Somewhere around 80 percent of the Senate of the United States is competely in support of Israel and of anything Israel wants.’”

    Scott Ritter, former U.N. arms inspector says:

    “The other thing we’re not allowed to do is discuss the notion that Israel, and the notion of Israeli interests, may in fact be dictating what America is doing, that what we’re doing in the middle east may not be to the benefit of America’s national security but to Israel’s national security.”

    The video of Scott Ritter linked at the end is especially interesting.

    As for me, I hope you stick around (others here may have more sense), because you make me want to learn more. And my mind is always open; that’s how I got here.

  53. Old Glory's Gravatar Old Glory
    September 11, 2011 - 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Abe Goldstein, you mention blacks and crime and how there is a high correlation between the two……What about jews and financial fraud? I work for a large investment bank and it seems that every time I pick up the paper there is a jew getting arrested for securities/financial/accounting fraud. One also hears these stories through the grapevine but my point is this – it’s nearly always a jew…..

  54. Old Glory's Gravatar Old Glory
    September 11, 2011 - 6:56 pm | Permalink

    What about jews and financial fraud?

  55. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 11, 2011 - 6:47 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:

    Abe, it’s not a conspiracy. It’s simple tactics. Jews wanted to bust the Anglo-Saxon establishment in the 60s, or at least, what remained of it. They used blacks as a battering ram against this establishment. Again, not a conspiracy, just a group of people doing what they need to to achieve power.

  56. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 11, 2011 - 6:42 pm | Permalink

    I checked out Amren, and although I like their opinions well enough – the scholarly quality of the articles here is exceptional – it is a national treasure if you would just ease up on conservative white guys like me who are Jewish.
    This is the smartest group of fellow race realists I have ever come across. Let’s just forget all this anti – semitic nonsense and attack the real problem – non Europeans!

  57. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 11, 2011 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    You are a very polite person, so I will deal with this “evidence” of a Jewish conspiracy as politely as possible.

    “Charles Black, a member of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund team that argued Brown, used to joke that he was the only non-Jewish name on many of the briefs in that case.” (Obviously, the black lawyers weren’t smart enough can i get agreement there? lol), and the Jewish lawyers may have screwed us all over, but do you have proof that the international conspiracy was paying their salary or they were just liberal assholes who happen to be Jewish – which is my contention)

    “…the AJCommittee [American Jewish Committee] funded research by Kenneth Clark on the effects of prejudice and discrimination on personality development that Chief Justice Earl Warren cited in his unanimous Supreme Court decision handed down on May 17, 1954.” This is open research and citation by a liberal, happens to be Jewish organization – did you count all the liberal non Jewish citations?

    “David Saperstein,..a board member of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)…said…’There was implicit recognition that Jews wouldn’t be safe in America until they created a country with no room for discrimination.’”

    Note the wording of that last statement: “…until they created a country…” ( One idiots opinion who is a white race hating Jewish person who hates his own race – just like millions of whites you and I both loathe)

    There’s no doubt in Mr. Saperstein’s mind that he an his fellow Jews had the power to re-create the United States as they wished it to be. And sure enough, that’s exactly what they’ve done.

    Because Jews don’t just make sure they control one side of all important situations. They make sure they control BOTH sides (which may or may not be the purpose of your presence here, Abe), as shown in their control of the Brown decision both in front of the bench and behind the bench:

    A New York Times editorial on March 24, 1987 discuses the improper collaboration between Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter (Jewish) and Justice Dept. attorney Philip Elman (Jewish), assistant to the U.S. Solicitor General at the time, that OVERCAME THE COURT’S INITIAL OPPOSITION TO BROWN (see the book review linked at the bottom of this post).

    “With All Deliberate Impropriety”

    “The Justice’s tips prompted Mr. Elman to alter his pleadings. Most significantly, he introduced an argument that helped produce unanimity in the 1954 decision and the subsequent 1955 case calling for desegregation with ‘all deliberate speed.””
    (I believe a majority of proper WASPS voted for this outrageous, ridiculous, nation ruining decision for which they should suffer as much as I and every other white man has)

  58. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 11, 2011 - 5:09 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:

    Abe, you don’t seem to be listening to what we’re saying.

    You should be very content at Amren, since they don’t care for what we have to say either. So you can settle in comfy there and scream “N____! N____! N____! until you’re blue in the face! Ha!

    You write silly stuff like, “so you say it is a mob syndicate, and evidently a pretty good one. If so, what is the induction ceremony, and where do I join?”

    And then you ask for evidence.

    Well you came here complaining about blacks, and so I gave you very specific evidence, evidence that supports the fact that one of the most important unleashings of Blacks in our country, the !954 Supreme Court school desegregation case, was virtually completely the work of Jews.

    Did you say, oh, that’s interesting, I didn’t know that, and I must find time to investigate whether or not the rest of the “civil rights” movement that has set black crime and nastiness upon me was also principally the work of my people or not?

    No, you just passed right over that post of mine at September 9, 2011 – 12:47 pm as if it were not even there, remarking only, “I say WASPy liberals are more to blame.”

    Well obviously they were not in the 1954 Brown decision! So why don’t you respond to that specifically, and then we can move on to other events in the unleashing of blacks, and see whether on the whole it’s your statement or our own views here that are correct.

    I’d say that clearly you’re not serious or not for real, except that I know how difficult it is for people with very different fundamental views to even hear, much less understand, what the other person is actually saying.

    If you’re real, don’t just find a comfy place and settle in a rut…question everything and pay attention to everything, at least all your mind can hold at one sitting.

    I’m certainly not going to consider you to be serious unless you read carefully that post of mine I just referred to and tell me what you think of its content concerning THE PARTICULAR CASE OF THE 1954 BROWN DECISION.

  59. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    September 11, 2011 - 3:55 pm | Permalink

    The default position, when dealing with Whites, should be to give the benefit of the doubt. When dealing with others, NOT to give the benefit of the doubt. With Whites- presume the best, with jews, assume the worst.

  60. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 11, 2011 - 3:30 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:
    I am definately going to check out Amren, and get back with you people. I am more at home with people who are irritated by blacks than anything else. You should try to deal with West Indian blacks – my God you talk about a brood of vipers!

    Mr Franklin Ryckaert: Where can I land in your world if I am a “good Jew?” Sure I could be the things you say, but would you forgive us our sins if there were 100 good Jews?

    10 good Jews? 1 Good Jew? Additionally, a fair number of people on here don’t even believe in God – so why do you care when I, as a white man, profess a different religion.

    OK – so you say it is a mob syndicate, and evidently a pretty good one. If so, what is the induction ceremony, and where do I join? Sounds like easy street.

    Somebody please give evidence of our conspiracy, and I will cop to it. I’m talking about evidence which would stand up in a court of law, not innuendo, fantasy, insinuation, or a feeling. Not overrepresentation, which I admit, in Ivy League schools, or the media, or Hollywood, because everyone is overrepresented somewhere, if by innocent chance alone or inclination to seek it out by nature, or in the case of blacks being overrepresented in jail by virtue of committing too many crimes – all crimes of those people have been proven to be true, case by case in an open court, no matter how much sanctomonious race hustlers like Al Sharpton complain.

    We don’t have to love each other – but we could all get along to rid America of non Europeans!

  61. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    September 11, 2011 - 10:32 am | Permalink

    Jews are masters of deception,they have been that throughout their history.The best policy is not to trust any Jew,even a socalled “good” one.If by exception there is a Jew who sincerely criticizes his fellow Jews,use that material for your own purpose,but never ever give him a function in your organization!He might very well be a spy or an agent bent on directing or destroying it from within.

    Normally we people do not live in a constant state of deception,therefore we feel relaxed when confronted by an apparently “honest” Jew.We tend to welcome such people and lower our alert.For Jews however deception is not a tactic to be used only on occasion,it is a way of life for them.It is unnatural for us to be constantly suspicious,but with Jews that is the only right policy.

    The intent of this Mr.”Goldstein”,whoever he in reality may be,is most probably to become our resident “good Jew” and then use that status to push us in a Jew-friendly direction.

    Well,no!Good bye Mr. “Goldstein”!

  62. Helvena's Gravatar Helvena
    September 11, 2011 - 9:18 am | Permalink

    “Anyway let us see how far we get with him, but let us stay on the alert.” – there is no getting anywhere with him as history has shown time and time again. Cromwell won with the help of the Jews, but England lost.

  63. Helvena's Gravatar Helvena
    September 11, 2011 - 9:12 am | Permalink

    Absolutely right Franklin. I’ve also been wondering given the number of WN pushing for cooperation with the Jews and then the folks who tout the line of “conspiracy theorists” when people rightfully question “the Arabs did it” and last but not least those who swallow the 6 million version of history, if, just like the Blacks wouldn’t have the NAACP without the Jews, if what we have today as WN isn’t also taken over by our Zionist controlled government. Not that I don’t believe there are sincere people here but there certainly seems to be a fair amount of misdirection.

  64. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    September 11, 2011 - 8:01 am | Permalink

    May I remind you of the possibility that “Abe Goldstein” might very well be a Jewish troll who is testing the waters how to gain sympathy among WN for the socalled “good Jews”, who in this case would be pro-White and anti-liberal. “Abe Goldstein” may try to convince us that such Jews are actually in the majority and that we therefore should give up our “prejudices” against Jews.The combination of the name “Goldstein” with the profession of a “New York City pawn broker” is a litttle bit too stereotypical for me to be true.At least he has tried to defend the Jews with the time-worn argument that Jews quarrell a lot among themselves (and thus cannot form a huge conspiracy) and that the really “bad Jews” are only a small group who cooperate wth a far greater group of “bad WASPs”.Anyway let us see how far we get with him, but let us stay on the alert.

    P.S. It is even possible that he is a sock puppet of one of the habitual Jews on this site who have been outed as such (Someday?Caleb?).

  65. Helvena's Gravatar Helvena
    September 11, 2011 - 7:20 am | Permalink

    @Gabor, have you noticed why Abe likes your response best it’s because it pits us against the other races. The house *ni##er* ageist the field. Why do any races have to be belittled? Why not just have our movies about us and let the other races have theirs? It is not impossible for us to treat other with respect, it is for Abe. We can be honest about race reality without being disrespectful, David Duke is a good example of this ( which is why he isn’t welcome at the Jew friendly Amren – it’s not because he is critical of the Jews).

  66. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 11, 2011 - 1:16 am | Permalink

    Let me assume for the moment that you’re for real, Abe.

    If you are, the problem with you from my point of view is the same problem I had with a Jewish doctor on my mainstream site,, and the same problem I have with the Amren Jews. You, like them, are not willing to listen and think about anything you don’t want to think about. As Kevin MacDonald laid out in “Culture of Critique,” your people have critiqued my people almost into oblivion, but you never honestly critique yourselves.

    At the personal level, I think that’s the thing I care for the least in Jews.

  67. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 11, 2011 - 12:45 am | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:

    “throw us Jewish guys on the right wing who are white a lifeline”

    You’re a likable guy, Abe, I’ll surely give you that. But if we throw you and other Jews like you a lifeline, it’ll likely be us who end up in the water and you guys in the boat.

    But at some possible risk, I’ll toss you a life preserver. Check out I and a lot of others started out there. They allow almost no mention of Jews (at least the sort of mentioning we do here), and they seem to rather welcome Jews. Some people here might not like it that I’m directing yet one more Jew to Amren, and they might be right, but I guess I lean slightly (and very possibly mistakenly) to the view that it serves us more than it hurts us to have one White organization (but no more! And that’s the problem, keeping it to just one! You guys ALWAYS take over!) like Amren. Check it out. If you like it, I’ll see you there, since I still post there, and I won’t be able to give you such a hard time as I’ve enjoyed doing here! :)

    Maybe this post will provoke a discussion on the rest of this thread about Amren, if KM will permit it. That would be an interesting discussion to me.

    I have a lot of thoughts on that topic, but no definite conclusions.

    I would be firmly in support of having one organization like Amren IF the Jews there would cop to the guiding role that Jews have played in creating this mess, and would carry that message (the message we have here on OO) to the rest of the Jewish community. Or carry the OO message anywhere, but carry it as Jews.

    But they don’t cop to it. They’re like you. And THAT, we don’t need anywhere in the White movement. So on second thought I’m probably making a mistake in directing you there. But I’ll follow my gut and do it anyway.

  68. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 10, 2011 - 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Gabor, I liked your response the best, so I will go with it.
    But first, you people should check out to see that not all of my religion are in line with all the supposed conspiracies, we argue among ourselves. That is the problem – much as i would like to get the movies you proposed going, or change some of these organizations that are calling for left wing crapola, they aren’t going to listen to me – I’m just a New york City pawnbroker. Those guys love what they are doing and they would swat me away because I would be but one person standing in the way of their cause or their paycheck. We argue among ourselves all the time – you should come to dinner at my house (no guns or knives -please!) Probably a third or so of my people (very loosely associated, btw) think like I do, the rest are liberal – who the hell knows why. You Christians could neutralize us all and make my third happy by doing what you propose yourselves – we can’t stop you, the press, while obviously over represented by liberal Jewish people is not our exclusive domain – lots of Christians/gentiles/atheists work there and have influence.
    Anyway, throw us Jewish guys on the right wing who are white a lifeline – remember that guy who helped the confederacy – Benjamin, Judah? What about Mark Levin – he gives the liberals all kinds of hell!

  69. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    September 10, 2011 - 5:08 pm | Permalink

    “. . .Some of them due to misguided ideology, some due to stupidity, most due to simple greed and laziness. . .”

    A lifetime of thought control and demoralization has nothing to do with this?

  70. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 10, 2011 - 2:31 pm | Permalink


    “If you think about it for awhile, I think you’ll discover a lot of reasons it can’t be done.”

    There’s one big reason why it can’t be done: it would require Whites to start using some brain cells for something other than pushing buttons on the remote.

    People on this site need to realize that the Jews have shown us our true colors. We’re selfish, lazy, and short-sighted. As long as we have our “stuff” we’re more than happy to sell out our own. This is our true nature.

    Unfortunately the average White man’s reality doesn’t extend beyond his home or his apartment. It doesn’t matter if a bunch of Nigerians down the road are on the prowl for White women, or if his sons are out in Iraq getting their feet blown off for Israel. As long as he has his job and his little plot of land, he is happy. He gets up, commutes to work, commutes home, and zones out. This is modernity.

    We need to recognize that probably 90% of white people out there will willingly act against their own interests. Some of them due to misguided ideology, some due to stupidity, most due to simple greed and laziness. Whites have been conquered- there’s no right or wrong in it, it’s just a fact of history.

  71. Scott Mollett's Gravatar Scott Mollett
    September 10, 2011 - 11:54 am | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:

    Jews led the charge to open up our borders. The jew media villified everyone who did not go along as a racist. They drummed many politicians out of office for not going along. When you were a kid and got in a fight did you try to hit your opponent in the hand or did you go for the head or body shot? Jews are the head and body of our problem Abe. Going after white accomplices’ is like trying to hit someone in the hand.

  72. Scott Mollett's Gravatar Scott Mollett
    September 10, 2011 - 10:49 am | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:
    Collattoral damage is what the jew banker/media mafia call innocents killed in the wars they inspire.

    At this point Abe the jew banker/media mob is doing so much damage to our country that I could care less if you and all the other innocent jews in the world become “collattoral damage”

    No other group allows its criminals to behave this way and you are the first jew I have ever seen on the web who even comes close to admitting the jew mob exists.

    Its a little to little a little to late Abe…

  73. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 9, 2011 - 5:46 pm | Permalink


    I think it was you that posted to me the NYTimes editorial I linked above on Felix Frankfurter’s collusion with the prosecutor in the Brown case. If so, thanks again, I’m so happy to finally have that! (for a long time it was unavailable without paying).

    And on the topic of good links, why can no one find on Youtube anymore the wonderful little 3-minute video of Ralph Nader saying something like, “The Israeli ambassador visits his puppet in the White House, then he walks down the street and visits his puppets in the Congress,…”

    Abe, can you get that Jewish group you’re going to organize to flood Youtube with requests (excuse me, I mean “demands”…sheesh, with age I’m forgetting everything I learned from your brethen back in my lefty rad days) to put that Nader video back up?

  74. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 9, 2011 - 5:28 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:

    “I say WASPy liberals are more to blame, because there are not enough Jews around to make that big of an impact without non-Jewish complicity/leadership.”

    That’s what you say, and I say you’re wrong.

    Yes, we whites have been shamefully complicit, but we haven’t been the leaders in these changes. You Jews have been the leaders.

    Your Frankfort School and Boasian mythologies amplified ten-fold the self-destructive currents of our own culture that we had held contained, and you used your high intelligence and your skill at organizing and pressuring and networking to gain control of a critical number of decision points in our society from which you’ve pushed our society over the edge.

    Your control of media in particular has allowed you to totally transform the minds of most of the white population of this globe.

    Numbers have nothing to do with it. All societies have been ruled by a very very tiny percentage of their entire population.

    (Gabor: LMAO! What a fine post! I especially loved your last line!)

  75. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 9, 2011 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:

    Ah, there’s that doughty old warrior, “blaming all _____for the action of a few.”

    If I don’t want even very pleasant and decent blacks living in my neighborhood (and I don’t), it’s not because I blame them for the crimes other blacks commit in my neighborhood (I don’t), it’s because they provide cover for the blacks who do commit the crimes in my neighborhood! It’s the presence of the decent ones that legitimizes the presence of the ones who do harm!

    When I was a youngster in the segregated South, there was no black crime in white neighborhoods. (And there was rather little black crime in black neighborhoods either, but that’s a different though very related story).

    A big reason there was no black crime in white neighborhoods was that ANY black entering a white neighborhood was regarded with due wariness, and if not clearly headed for a place of employment, was a focus of attention. (Not that I can recall ever seeing a black enter a segregated white neighborhood in such a manner).

    Now if you can lay out a workable plan for separating from white society the bothersome blacks, and the bothersome blacks only, without having to disturb the non-bothersome blacks, my objection to having the latter group present, although not entirely overcome, would be considerably smaller than my present objection to the presence of blacks.

    If you think about it for awhile, I think you’ll discover a lot of reasons it can’t be done.

    Same for Jews.

  76. Gabor's Gravatar Gabor
    September 9, 2011 - 4:34 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein: Abe, first let me second Harumphty Dumpty in that I also tend to like people on a personal level, and I’d probably like you as well.

    Now let’s get to answering your question. As a starter, I think it would help a lot if a number of your brethren started to oppose immigration in the mass media. If some Jews would suddenly produce movies in which – quite surrealistically – blacks and to a lesser extent also Mexicans would be shown as aggressive, dim-witted and lazy brutes, incapable of anything but the most simple tasks under heavy supervision (and performing even these in rather low quality). In the very same movies whites and white family values could be shown in a very positive light. Whites in those movies would somewhat resent blacks, but that would be shown as totally justified, and in fact, the story line could start out with whites totally trusting blacks who subsequently would betray them, and the protagonist would be the only one telling the rest all along how little they should trust the blacks…

    We could also have a media which would tell us about black on white crime etc.

    I would love to see a number of mainstream Jewish organizations (you know what? as a starter, it could be a number of fringe Jewish organizations) heavily criticizing the ADL and SPLC and other Jewish organizations for their activities (their lists of “hate groups”, etc.), and it would be even nicer to see these groups ceasing their anti-white activities altogether.

    Of course, the Jewish lobbies, which proved so incredibly successful in steering US foreign policy, could also be a little bit helpful.

    I’m sure the list was by no means exhaustive, but it contains the most important contributions your small but nevertheless influential community could provide us.

  77. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    September 9, 2011 - 4:27 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:
    This problem has already been described by prof. MacDonald: destructive Jewish influence is mostly due to Jewish Organizations (not the Jewish population at large),but those organizations tend to be dominated by extremists.That is the problem.Usually moderate people are not interested to “take over the world”,extremists are.The solution? You moderate Jews should organize yourselves and try to oust those extremist Jewish organizations.Its not only good for society at large but also for you Jews yourselves,because a backlash is surely going to happen.

  78. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 9, 2011 - 3:51 pm | Permalink

    I really loved the segment on black on white crime, I wish you would publish more of that than blaming all Jews for the action of a few. I maintain that the actions of Jewish liberals do not taint me by association, I probably hate those jerks more than you do. Unfettered immigration has ruined this country, we apparently only disagree insofar as I say WASPy liberals are more to blame, because there are not enough Jews around to make that big of an impact without non-Jewish complicity/leadership. Some Jews wanted to remake the country into their image oF A LIBERAL PARADISE but many of us didn’t want that. We are mostly well treated by our Christian brothers with white skin, and we would definately be better off in a white society – we don’t fit in anywhere else. Still, while it may be the fault of a few mega ego rich Jewish assholes and their disproportionate press influence, they were speaking for themselves, and not me – but lots of WASPS bought into the concept, so they fu&**&’d up, also.
    Anyway, how the hell do we rid ourselves of this 3rd world influx now, if my 2% of the population was totally on your side?

  79. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    September 9, 2011 - 3:35 pm | Permalink

    “I came to this sight because I’m as white as anyone here,” Goldstein

    If you’re a jew, you ain’t White.

  80. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 9, 2011 - 2:01 pm | Permalink

    My apologies to OO readers who have already seen my post on the Brown case too many times.

  81. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 9, 2011 - 1:54 pm | Permalink

    (continuing my preceding post)

    So Abe, I dunno. I tend to like most people at a personal level, and from the sounds of you, I’d probably like you. But it’s all gone a bit too far now. A whole lot too far. As you yourself bemoan.

    This isn’t a question of whether all individuals of a group do this or all individuals of a group do that. That’s completely irrelevant. It’s a question of how groups as a whole support their own interests. All groups except whites, and certainly your group in spades (as evidenced by Mr. Saperstein’s statement in my post above), still resolutely do that. We whites have to relearn that ability.

    We whites are threatened by genocide from having our homelands flooded by non-Whites. (Check the U.N. definition of genocide, and you’ll see the word fits).

    And that flooding is the result of anti-White measures put in place principally by the organized actions of your group that have been comparable to the actions that put in place the Brown decision as laid out in my post above.

    Have you ever made a contribution to just about any Jewish group? Then you share the blame, sorry. Because the thousands of Jewish groups in this country work together (that’s a fact, not a “conspiracy theory”), and jointly and separately they have taken control of huge chunks of our domestic and foreign policy to their ends. (You’re familiar with the Walt and Mearsheimer report on the effectiveness of the Israel lobby? And the statements of Jimmy Carter, George Schultz, William Fulbright, Scott Ritter and many others concerning the control that lobby holds over our Congress?)

    If you think your group would be safer in a world in which Whites still exist, rather than in a world from which Whites have been expunged (the latter sentiment being one that, I conclude from having had many Jewish friends, is an underlying feeling in many of you), if you don’t wish to live in a world where you are left to the tender mercies of groups who have been inadequately Holocaust®-trained and who despise you, maybe you can find some way to assist.

  82. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 9, 2011 - 12:47 pm | Permalink


    Ditto. Abe, I could use some walking around money at David Duke/Stormfront’s conclave that will address a promising new approach to overturning all that your folks have done to us.

    Please get in touch.

    And set aside funds now for that Jewish organization you’re going to found, that will carry to the public the understanding of Jewish power that you’ll acquire after reading this blog for awhile. (It’s so characteristic of you and yours that wherever you go, you think you already know more than everyone who’s already there. You never arrive with questions, just “answers”)

    To you and other Jews who “think like [white racists] concerning blacks”: It was not “fellow tribesman along with lots of Christian liberals” who unleashed blacks upon us. It was YOU, YOU JEWS, YOU JEWS ALONE who did it!

    “Jews Note Role in Historic School Case”

    (Hm, that link seems to have suddenly gone sour after many years. Here’s the same article, I’m virtually certain. It contains the quotes below. I’ll copy this article right now while it’s still in existence, since such examples of Jewish chest-thumping often disappear once they’ve been linked often enough at White sites):

    “Charles Black, a member of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund team that argued Brown, used to joke that he was the only non-Jewish name on many of the briefs in that case.”

    “…the AJCommittee [American Jewish Committee] funded research by Kenneth Clark on the effects of prejudice and discrimination on personality development that Chief Justice Earl Warren cited in his unanimous Supreme Court decision handed down on May 17, 1954.”

    “David Saperstein,..a board member of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)…said…’There was implicit recognition that Jews wouldn’t be safe in America until they created a country with no room for discrimination.’”

    Note the wording of that last statement: “…until they created a country…”

    There’s no doubt in Mr. Saperstein’s mind that he an his fellow Jews had the power to re-create the United States as they wished it to be. And sure enough, that’s exactly what they’ve done.

    Because Jews don’t just make sure they control one side of all important situations. They make sure they control BOTH sides (which may or may not be the purpose of your presence here, Abe), as shown in their control of the Brown decision both in front of the bench and behind the bench:

    A New York Times editorial on March 24, 1987 discuses the improper collaboration between Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter (Jewish) and Justice Dept. attorney Philip Elman (Jewish), assistant to the U.S. Solicitor General at the time, that OVERCAME THE COURT’S INITIAL OPPOSITION TO BROWN (see the book review linked at the bottom of this post).

    “With All Deliberate Impropriety”

    “The Justice’s tips prompted Mr. Elman to alter his pleadings. Most significantly, he introduced an argument that helped produce unanimity in the 1954 decision and the subsequent 1955 case calling for desegregation with ‘all deliberate speed.””

    Philip Elman revealed his and Frankfurter’s collaboration shortly before his death, and here’s Erwin Griswold’s reaction to his disclosures:

    “Erwin N. Griswold, a former solicitor general and dean of Harvard Law School, was ’startled’ at the impropriety, as were many others. Griswold said the behavior of Frankfurter and Elman was ‘clearly regarded as improper at the time and would clearly be improper now.’”

  83. Helvena's Gravatar Helvena
    September 9, 2011 - 8:41 am | Permalink

    @ Voir Daire, I don’t question your facts at all however, I think it is important to keep them in perspective. How many white people did the Jewish controlled Soviet Union kill? How many white people died in two world wars push by Jewish interests? How much money has the U.S. lost because of financial schemes pushed by the Jews (I’m thinking of Sandy Weil and Michael Milken for instance). How much money has the U.S. poured down the endless rat hole of Israel? Jewish tribalism has cost us a lot.

    @ Abe, just for your peace of mind, I don’t hate anyone, not even you, so now I know you won’t hesitate to help me in the future, maybe even before your tribes men. That would go a long way in making up to whites what your people have done to us in the recent past. The first thing you might do is pay reparations to us.

  84. Harumphty_Dumpty's Gravatar Harumphty_Dumpty
    September 9, 2011 - 2:52 am | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    I just sent this email to a friend:

    Wow, it’s true.

    I started reading the thread Voir dire commented on, got as far as Joe Webb’s recommending a TV show, “Breaking Bad,” found it online and started watching, and sure enough, when the protagonist with lung cancer goes to see his oncologist, the oncologist is a black dude!

    The show is described as “dark comedy.” Indeed! In every sense!

    (I haven’t watched TV for many years).

    Here’s where I’m watching it:

  85. Voir Dire's Gravatar Voir Dire
    September 8, 2011 - 10:33 pm | Permalink

    @Bon of Babble:

    Trust me, Bon, I feel your pain and irrepressible anger. THIS is what motivates my activism.

  86. Voir Dire's Gravatar Voir Dire
    September 8, 2011 - 10:08 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:

    Welcome aboard, Mr. Goldstein, but we prefer the term “racial realist” because if we are dubbed “racists” for demanding to exercise amongst ourselves what the Jews (and every other racial group in America) freely practices amongst themselves and forces White ethnics to subsidize those racial interests hostile and antithetical to our own, then Jews must be “racists” on steroids with their track record.

    Did you know that, owing to Black-on-White crime and a myriad of other political, economic and social policies (death by a thousand cuts) firmly entrenched that there is a slow-motion genocide of Whites, racial disenfranchisement by diluting our votes through massive third-world immigration, and displacement through civil rights and affirmative action legislation to name but a few of the themselves criminal policies. Have you missed that these events are completely censored (or celebrated) by your brethren in the controlled media? Have you failed to notice that despite the rarity of such White-on-Black crimes in real life that Whites’ are relentlessly demonized by your brethren in Hollywood, racial perps roles REVERSED and in the disinfo “mainstream” media.

    The truth is many of those crimes (10 or fewer rapes in 2007) counted as “White-on-Black” may not even reflect reality. Did you know that those relatively low White crime rates (relative to our great numbers) are artificially inflated by lumping in Hispanic males and counting them as “White” by our federal behemoth, but they are given a category all their own for crimes committed against them. Why do you suppose our federal government would lie to inflate White male crime rates.

    Australian journalist studied the U.S. Dept of Justice crime statistics between 1964 – 1994 and what he found was truly shocking (amazing that EVEN an Australian was able to publish this in the Jews’ News – and yes… there as elsewhere in the West – in Australia’s case virtually entirely owned by the Jewish warmongering Zionist Rupert Murdoch. Doubtless he wouldn’t be able to publish such data today in a newspaper today)

    The Race War Of Black Against White (excerpts)
    Nearly all the following figures, which speak for themselves, have not been reported in America:

    According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

    Most victims of race crime ­ about 90 per cent ­ are white, according to the survey “Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims,” published in 1993.

    Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

    Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent crimes of whites.

    According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

    These breathtaking disparities began to emerge in the mid-1960s, when there was a sharp increase in black crime against whites, an upsurge which, not coincidentally, corresponds exactly with the beginning the modern civil rights movement.

    Over time, the cumulative effect has been staggering. Justice Department and FBI statistics indicate that between 1964 and 1994 more than 25 million violent inter-racial crimes were committed, overwhelmingly involving black offenders and white victims, and more than 45,000 people were killed in inter-racial murders. By comparison 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam, and 34,000 were killed in the Korean war.

    When non-violent crimes (burglary, larceny, car theft and personal theft) are included, the cumulative totals become prodigious. The Bureau of Justice Statistics says 27 million non-violent crimes were committed in the US in 1992, and the survey found that 31 per cent of the robberies involved black offenders and white victims (while only 2 per cent in the reverse).

    When all the crime figures are calculated, it appears that black Americans have commited at least 170 million crimes against white Americans in the past 30 years. It is the great defining disaster of American life and American ideals since World War II.

    The Color of Crime (for more recent data with the same staggering levels of Black-on-White crime)

    Black mob violence that was today posted on American Renaissance involving the beating of a White, teenaged, male cashier in a convenience store – and to the credit of two Black girls (women?) probably saved his life:

    Note the Orwellian language employed by Ms. Diaz of the Jews’ News (“customers”??? “CUSTOMERS”? “FIGHT”? As though there was some kind of equivalency in what transpired here! Sickening!!!)

  87. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 8, 2011 - 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Also, just because a couple of fellow tribesman (along with lots of Christian liberals) supported this disatrous immigration policy of the United States doesn’t make it a Jewish plot, either.
    You guys should try to see the other Jewish point of view.

  88. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 8, 2011 - 8:17 pm | Permalink

    @Helvena: Ok – I can see I stated that rather poorly. I’m a white Jew and I’m not offended by white racists, since I think like them concerning blacks, arabs, etc. Perhaps that makes me racist – ok, I can accept that.
    What I cannot accept is that although we have our gansters and criminals just like the other ethnics, we all get branded as bad guys. Sure, Meyer Lanskey was a crook, but the some of the community liked him for the same reasons Italians liked Al Capone – free money. Just because some other Jewish people are stealing on a grand scale doesn’t mean I benefit. I try to live right and treat people fairly, even splibs – but I hate the way they act.
    As far as 9/11, I can see we have a few grassy knoll conspiracy lovers here.

  89. September 8, 2011 - 6:27 pm | Permalink

    @ Abe Goldstein. You said, “So we do have common ground, white Jews and white racists, such as yourselves”, LOL, I see, I’m a racist and you’re just a white Jew. What I really think is you are just a pot stirrer or you’re stupid.

  90. Old Glory's Gravatar Old Glory
    September 8, 2011 - 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Why whites will never side with jews:

    Gassing Mechanics (more proof the Holocaust (TM) is a fraud):

  91. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    September 8, 2011 - 2:39 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:
    A sense of ethnic identity or of ethnic solidarity is not bad in itself.Obviously individuals are the products of groups with their own biological and cultural characteristics.We call such groups ethnic groups.Ethnic groups have interests.It is not wrong to pursue those interests if done in a legal and moral way.This is however not always the case.All ethnic groups have their own criminals,some more some less.Ethnic groups with a strong sense of identity tend to have ethnic mafias i.e. criminal gangs organized along ethnic lines.Examples of peoples with such ethnic mafias are Italians,Japanese, Turks, Armenians,Chechens and…Jews.Most of such peoples loathe their own mafias because they themselves are more often than not their victims.With Jews however it is different.Jewish criminals feel ethnic solidarity with their own people and the Jewish people feels ethnic solidarity with its own criminals and both can count on mutual help.Thus while only a small part of the Jewish people is actively engaged in crime, the many become accomplices in the crime of the few.Successful Jewish criminals contribute to Jewish charities and such gifts are accepted.Jewish criminals who have a problem with the authorities can always count on support from their fellow Jews.Jewish gangsters from the diaspora on the run for the law can always flee to Israel, claim their “right of return” as Jews and escape justice,they will not be extradited.For the ADL there is no crime commited by Jews in the diaspora or it will deny it (complicity in 9/11,bank fraud,FED etc.),there is no crime commited by Israel or it will defnd it (Lebanon war,”Cast Lead”,Mavi Marmora etc.).If Jews behave consistently as a closely knit solidarity group even in crime why should they be astonished if the whole people is seen as an ethnic mafia?

  92. Old Glory's Gravatar Old Glory
    September 8, 2011 - 1:28 pm | Permalink

    I am a white male and wish jews would leave the USA promptly. Jews have killed the USA’s spirit, morale and economic well being. The way I see it is that jews are clearly more a threat to whites than blacks (others may disagree). Abe, you may hate blacks but probably hate and are fearful of whites (non-jews) just the same. Israel should be scrubbed off the map – think of all the wasted tax dollars and good American lives this welfare state has claimed!

  93. Michael Hardesty's Gravatar Michael Hardesty
    September 8, 2011 - 10:48 am | Permalink

    Pierre, I stand by my comments on Roger McGrath. I’ve seen other so-called ‘well documented’ writings of his and they could not stand critical examination.
    Frankly, you don’t know what I’ve read or haven’t read.
    I wouldn’t believe McGrath on the time of day and for good reason as I read way too much of his tripe in the Chronicles when I used to subscribe to same.

  94. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 8, 2011 - 9:38 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:
    I can see how it appears to be so if one is inclined to presuppose that we work together. However, we would just as happily beat each other up to get the gold or the pretty girl, just like all you people do. Most of us are just regular people going about our business, and get no benefit from the upper level crooked Jewish financiers in league with all the upper level and crooked WASPS.
    I admit we tend to naturally support our own kind when it is obviously in our best interest to do so, but it is more benign than you might imagine. Think of it this way: If it is a tie between who is the lesser of two evils, might as well take the side of the Jewish guy over someone who might secretly hate you as a Jew.
    I came to this site because I’m as white as anyone here, attracted by comments concerning the atrocious behavior of blacks in the rioting. I’m a shopkeeper in New York, and I can’t stand the way blacks act in my store, and wish they would leave the damn country, same as many of you. So we do have common ground, white Jews and white racists, such as yourselves.

  95. September 8, 2011 - 9:08 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: I was aware that the notion of MD was older than Greeeley. I am not aware that others had expressed it prior to Greeley, although I suppose the Monroe Doctrine could be considered part of it.

    Bala, Ontario was/is “cottage country” that has become more urbanized, I believe. I know little about it, other than having seen road signs on the way to Owen Sound. Some areas of Toronto may as well be in Jamaica. My long dead aunt used to complain about the “Italians”. She must be spinning in her grave about what Toronto looks like today.

  96. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 8, 2011 - 2:26 am | Permalink

    Although Gunfighters, Highwaymen and Vigilantes is a pleasure to read, it is also a scholarly book. That is to say, every assertion its author, Roger McGrath, makes is sourced and has primary-level documentation behind it. Thus, the book isn’t merely a longer version of a TOO comment thread.

    Mr. Hardesty is entitled to hold any opinion he wishes of the author, but I have read the book and he hasn’t. Readers of this thread are free to conclude whatever they like from that fact.

  97. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    September 8, 2011 - 1:18 am | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:
    In this way you could “prove” that Zionism is not a Jewish vehicle because some Palestinian Jews, who already lived in Palestine long before the rise of Zionism, were against it and became its victims.
    You can find Jews among international bankers and among international communists,sometimes they fight with each other,sometimes they (secretly) cooperate,still their movements are Jewish.
    Jews would be less of a problem to the world (and themselves) if they would give up the idea of having a “mission ” in the world.That “mission” is proves always to be destructive.Not to be destructive parasites seems to be impossible for the Jews.

  98. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 8, 2011 - 1:13 am | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:
    Actually I’m just as disenchanted with gentile gangsters as Jewish ones, for the record.

  99. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 8, 2011 - 1:10 am | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein: @Abe Goldstein:
    Touché re: Cuba. I was thinking primarily of the USSR as the template for most of the subsequent communist experiments.

  100. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    September 7, 2011 - 10:52 pm | Permalink

    I object to your calling communism a Jewish vehicle. In Castro’s Cuba, for instance, there are less than 2000 of us still hanging on, with our shops and such having been stolen by the commie gangsters, along with all the Italian gangsters getting their shit stolen from them. Sure there were some Jews involved as individuals, same as Christians were in on it.

  101. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 7, 2011 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    “Until the Jews arrived to take over the banking systems, pollute the educational systems, and poison the culture, every group did well on its own.”

    If there were no state banking chartering or education regulatory authorities, Jews wouldn’t have any special edge over any other ethnic group, unless they really are übermenschen, not something I believe.

    Although correlation is not causation, you’ll find Jewish power has nicely tracked state power in every regime. Only the institutions of civil society allow defense against the overlords.

  102. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 7, 2011 - 10:23 pm | Permalink

    The “wild West” is purely government propaganda, analogous to the rampant lynch-mobs of the South that so colour Hollywood’s films.

  103. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 7, 2011 - 10:00 pm | Permalink

    There is no way Europeans are going to out-collectivize Jews, with their thousands of years of practice, and who’d want to, anyway?

  104. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 7, 2011 - 9:53 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Two brief follow-ups, if I may, Curmudgeon.

    “Horace Greeley’s Manifest Destiny exemplifies it, I believe.” Greeley certainly was an adherent of MD, but you may also know that he didn’t originate the concept, nor was it exclusive to him. By the late 1830s belief in MD was as widespread among U.S. movers and shakers as belief is today among their descendants that Israel’s demands and needs trump all other considerations—even U.S. survival. The difference, of course, was that, back then, a sizable number of powerful and articulate people considered MD stupid, wicked, or both.

    “I don’t recognize [my own city or others] as ‘Canadian’.” I am reminded of a dear old Canadian friend, whom I met in 1970. She and her family came from a small town called Bala, north of Toronto (you probably know a great deal more about it than I do). By the eighties she was talking about the great changes in Toronto, some of which had spread north. By the late nineties, when I last saw her, Bala had changed for the worse dramatically, and neither she nor her family any longer ventured to Toronto. “It’s not part of my country any more” is what she said of it.

  105. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 7, 2011 - 8:41 pm | Permalink

    If evolution takes tens of thousands of years, then the American of 150 years ago is still substantially the same as today, and so a reprise of the West is still possible.

  106. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 7, 2011 - 8:36 pm | Permalink

    @ Admin:
    The comments section is now more streamlined. Thank you.

  107. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 7, 2011 - 8:35 pm | Permalink

    “Profit is not a dirty word. Lust for maximized profits is obscene.”

    What does this mean? How much separates a seemly profit and how much an obscene one? Who decides? And on what basis?

    Short of government charters/monopolies, profits beget competition, which lowers profits. Anything the government parades as “free trade”, deserves the quotation marks you’ve given it.

    Ron Paul’s platform includes ending the Federal Reserve, the great engine of Wall St, and restoring money to a little-man-friendly commodity standard.

  108. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 7, 2011 - 8:24 pm | Permalink

    “Violence against the soul” is just hurt feelings, or envy. If your family is now middle-class, why shouldn’t they be despoiled to alleviate the violence against the soul of the next generation of raggedy-clothed?

  109. September 7, 2011 - 1:25 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Political labels are pointless. The politicians morph into whatever they need to be to be re-elected.

    The “wild west” is not so much literal as mindset. Horace Greeley’s Manifest Destiny exemplifies it, I believe. I have never stated that the US hasn’t produce some great men and women. Unfortunately, most of their wisdom seems to be ignored and in fact a lot has been “discredited”.
    As for the intellectual conformity, I agree, and it continues to exist to this day, particularly in the form of jingoism. That is why whites are in trouble. They keep buying into “defending the US” by attacking others bullshit. Blacks, Latinos and officer Jews also “defend”. That creates confusion in white minds.

    As a Canadian, when I travel not just around my own city, but others that I have visited in the past 50+ years, I don’t recognize them as “Canadian”. Vancouver and Toronto are 50% non white. 50 years ago they were 98% white. The same confusion is here as is in the US, and our politicians continue to replace us with people from the 3rd world, while ramping up the jingoism.

  110. Michael Hardesty's Gravatar Michael Hardesty
    September 7, 2011 - 1:23 pm | Permalink

    The government doesn’t own the resources or anything else.
    Government is a band of looting robbers who seize what has been created by private enterprise.
    Oil and Gold in the MidEast and Africa was unused and undiscovered for thousands of years until western capital came in.
    Any sane businessperson wants the maximum profit they can achieve.
    Why do I need to come here to read the same old statist-collectivist nonsense that I can hear on NPR any day ?
    After reading his defense of FDR’s concentration camps for Japanese Americans and his support for the ‘Good War’ i wouldn’t trust Roger McGrath on the time of day.

  111. September 7, 2011 - 1:08 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: My mother’s family grew up in poverty. All were intelligent, and most of them were able to climb into the middle class. All of them were affected emotionally by the degrading humiliation they felt when unable to participate in events, or their ragged clothing standing out in school class photos. I call that violence against the soul.

    As for theft of a neighbour’s property, I have never advocated that sort of thing. I am opposed, however, to governments handing over a nation’s common wealth – natural resources, to corporations for a pittance, and allowing enormous wealth accumulation to flow to the few at the expense of the many. Profit is not a dirty word. Lust for maximized profits is obscene.

  112. September 7, 2011 - 12:55 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Horace Greeley’s Manifest Destiny is “frontierism” or the “rugged individualism”. I acknowledge that, as a Canadian, I do not have an in depth knowledge of Canadian history. It is not the wild west per se, but the wild west mentality that won’t work.

    However, by way of recent examples, I will demonstrate that the “wild west” mentality still exists. Canada has as many guns per capita as the US, the murder rate here is lower. Switzerland requires every household to own an assault rifle, and at least 1 person has to be capable of using it. Their murder rate is lower than Canada’s.
    Canada had virtually no gun violence 25 years ago. Our then federal government decided that it would be a great idea to model Canada after the US, so we got “free trade” and “harmonization”. I predicted, at the time, that our crime and violent crime rates would rise, because of the shift in mindset that would take place. It has. We now enjoy drive-by shootings and gang violence the same as the US. While we don’t match the kill rate of the US, to old farts like me, what is now happening is appalling. This, of course was brought to us by “conservatives”. The “liberals” who wanted all firearms registered are really “commies” who want to “take your guns”.

    We now have a new “conservative” government (since 2006) which takes its orders from Tel Aviv and Washington. This government, like the last “conservative” government thinks that we were a socialist state. Everyone needs to fend for him/herself. More government sell offs (sell outs) to big business (Jews) will continue to take place. Our biggest threat, apparently is from “Islamists”, but that doesn’t stop the massive 3rd world immigration from “Islamic” countries in Africa. It does, however, justify re-introducing legislation for our version of the Patriot Act to turn us more into a police state. Sound familiar?

    The self reliance crew like Ron Paul open the gates to abuse by the elites. Small businesses and co-operative businesses are at risk. The more Greeley’s Manifest Destiny is played out by groups like the Aryan Nation the more in endangered those whites become.

  113. September 7, 2011 - 12:20 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Until the Jews arrived to take over the banking systems, pollute the educational systems, and poison the culture, every group did well on its own.

  114. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 7, 2011 - 4:40 am | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: No offense, Curmudgeon, but you seem to have a root-and-branch misunderstanding of American history and political science. To take merely the plainest examples, (1) the New Right were neither new nor right, and their takeover of whatever you care to say they took over—the Congress, the executive branch, or the whole bloody country—happened closer to a century than to fifteen years ago; (2) the “rugged individualism or frontier mentality” of 150 years ago that you say “won’t cut it today” didn’t cut it then either. Read the astonishingly prescient and observant Tocqueville to learn that as long ago as 1840, Americans were the most intellectually conformist people our brilliant French visitor had ever encountered. To employ an image from the Parable of the Sower, American society, culture, and civilization have never been anything but the short-lived and shallow-rooted seed that fell upon stony ground. My country has produced some remarkable and even great men (a few women, too), but most of them have gotten precisely the same respect and affection here that Isaias and Jeremias got in ancient Israel.

    Finally, my friend, if you do yourself the favor and give yourself the pleasure of perusing Gunfighters, Highwaymen and Vigilantes: Violence on the Frontier, by Roger McGrath, you’ll quickly and permanently retract your statement that “the wild, wild, west wasn’t due to government, rather the lack of it.” You’ll also have ten or so of the most entertaining and informative hours of your life. You might even thank me for recommending the book. (Spoiler alert: the “Wild West,” especially the ungovernmented part of it, wasn’t especially wild at all! Several generations of scribblers, some of them very talented and creative men, fibbed unashamedly and with entertainment aforethought. And as usual, the Hollywood lodge of International Jewry wasn’t slow to exploit the fictions of others to their own egomaniacal ends.)

    Pax tibi, Curmudgeon.

  115. pessimist's Gravatar pessimist
    September 6, 2011 - 11:52 pm | Permalink

    The ‘rugged individual’ doesn’t exist today. It’s more of a political fiction created by some very rich status-quo types for PR purposes. We do however need communities and groups who can organize and work together and help each other.

    The Jews understand this and why they have amassed the power they have. Contrast this to today’s whites raised on a diet of imaginary individualism and devil take the hindmost mentality have been easy prey for them and the ruling elite.

    We’re worse than the Jewish Kapos who sold their own to the Nazis. We’re actually proud of shafting one another in order to get ahead.

    As a result the elite today have no need for Pinkerton men or National Guardsmen to keep Americans in line anymore. We’ll just sell ourselves out for table scraps.

    Lastly, it’s sad to say, but I respect the Jews a heck of lot more than I do the whites. At least the Jews have a survival instinct and will look out for each other to a degree that whites no longer will do. Whites seem more than happy to behave in manners that are antithetical to their collective survival.

  116. Bon of Babble's Gravatar Bon of Babble
    September 6, 2011 - 11:02 pm | Permalink

    @Voir Dire:

    Voir Dire:

    I appreciate that you believe Kevin and I are worth saving. I would add Humpty Dumpty too at the other end of the state.

    You cannot imagine how it pains me having a front row seat to the complete destruction of my home state. Every year California becomes browner, shorter, poorer, dirtier (ask Victor David Hanson: and more expensive. There are fewer areas where we Whites feel comfortable or even safe. I wonder how much longer I can take it and I loathe the idea of being run out of my homeland! But, we are overwhelmed here by the dirt poor dregs of Mexico and Central America — over-running and destroying our schools, wrecking our once-peaceful neighborhoods and driving un-licesned, un-registered and drunk on our freeways. And, they continue to pour into our state (with their hands out, of course, for Free White Money) unfettered, welcomed by the profoundly stupid Mexican mayor of Los Angeles.

    We Whites are being out-voted by the new majority of welfare parasites — the latest antic from the Commies in the state house is to give illegal immigrants access to PUBLIC funds to attend California colleges and universities (Dream Acts I and II). They already receive in-state tuition and AA preferences over the children of White taxpayers who fund the state college and university systems. Drivers licenses will be next. It is only a matter of time before our land is re-distributed to these parasites by THEIR politicians who represent ONLY them. Our schools are being named and re-named for Mexican “heroes” and part of historic Sunset Blvd. is now Cesar Chavez Blvd. Our monuments and architecture are being graffitied over by our “docile” replacement population.

    We have no voice here any longer. And it is getting worse. And is it headed across the US.

    When I think of it, it makes me so angry that I can hardly write this.

    All Kudos to John & Ken who are lone voices in the media wilderness fighting the good fight. Long may they be the blow-torches of reason and sanity in this upside down world.


  117. Bon of Babble's Gravatar Bon of Babble
    September 6, 2011 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Voir Dire:

    I appreciate that you believe Kevin and I are worth saving. I would add Humpty Dumpty too at the other end of the state.

    You cannot imagine how it pains me having a front row seat to the complete destruction of my home state. Every year California becomes browner, shorter, poorer, dirtier (ask Victor David Hanson: and more expensive. There are fewer areas where we Whites feel comfortable or even safe. I wonder how much longer I can take it and I loathe the idea of being run out of my homeland! But, we are overwhelmed here by the dirt poor dregs of Mexico and Central America — over-running and destroying our schools, wrecking our once-peaceful neighborhoods and driving un-licesned, un-registered and drunk on our freeways. And, they continue to pour into our state (with their hands out, of course, for Free White Money) unfettered, welcomed by the profoundly stupid Mexican mayor of Los Angeles.

    We Whites are being out-voted by the new majority of welfare parasites — the latest antic from the Commies in the state house is to give illegal immigrants access to PUBLIC funds to attend California colleges and universities (Dream Acts I and II). They already receive in-state tuition and AA preferences over the children of White taxpayers who fund the state college and university systems. Drivers licenses will be next. It is only a matter of time before our land is re-distributed to these parasites by THEIR politicians who represent ONLY them. Our schools are being named and re-named for Mexican “heroes” and part of historic Sunset Blvd. is now Cesar Chavez Blvd. Our monuments and architecture are being graffitied over by our “docile” replacement population.

    We have no voice here any longer. And it is getting worse. And is it headed across the US.

    When I think of it, it makes me so angry that I can hardly write this.

    All Kudos to John & Ken who are lone voices in the media wilderness fighting the good fight. Long may they be the blow-torches of reason and sanity in this upside down world.


  118. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 6, 2011 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    No, poverty is not a form of violence. Do you steal your neighbour’s property because he’s got more than you (and if you do, why should some poor African, in turn, not steal yours)? Interposing a politician between you and your neighbour’s property doesn’t make the expropriation right.

  119. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 6, 2011 - 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Reading these comments about Allende I’m reminded of the flash mobs in London and the US and how joyous those instances of proletarian expropriation seem.

    Allende’s Chile was full of KGB “advisors”, and we know who ran that show. Every country in South America experienced police killings and torture. Pinochet’s was certainly not the most bloody by a long shot. (Argentina’s dirty war accounted for ten times as many victims, and from memory even tiny Uruguay’s body count was higher).

    Allende wears the halo because Pinochet exiled many of the artists, film-makers and intelligentsia (marxists virtually all of them), who then went off to Paris to make careers in Allende hagiography.

  120. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 6, 2011 - 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Have you not read KM’s What makes Western Civilization unique? If you think Darwinism has any scientific merits whatsoever, you’ll have to concede 150 is nothing in evolutionary terms. The “rugged individual” that made America great probably was very similar biologically to today’s Oprah-watcher, just not expecting to get by on welfare or have the nanny-state boss him around. Also, the rugged individual of yore wasn’t someone who didn’t have any thoughts for community, family or friends. That’s just some cartoon character, much like the altruistic, pure-spirited, New Socialist Man.

    Jews do collectivism much better anyway, so there’s no way to out-compete them on their home turf.

  121. September 6, 2011 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza: How did you arrive at that conclusion? Don’t corporations force poverty on citizens of the the US and Canada by off shoring jobs? Isn’t poverty a form of violence? Laissez faire economics do not work. People quoting Adam Smith ignore the fact that he wrote of a POLITICAL economy, understanding full well that government decisions influenced economics. If that is what you mean by force, then, I suppose that could be seen in that light. However, the wild, wild, west wasn’t due to government, rather the lack of it. If that is what you want, you are welcome to it. As I stated previously, frontierism is dead, it won’t come back, and it won’t save whites.

  122. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    September 6, 2011 - 3:05 pm | Permalink


    Since the only thing government can offer is force, do you want to be the shooter or the shootee? That is, the giver , or the receiver, of the bullets?

  123. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    September 6, 2011 - 12:15 pm | Permalink

    You know that America is really on the road to ruin when, in the midst of historically high unemployment levels that are creating a political crisis for Obama, no one in the political class or MSM breathes a word about immigration—except to suggest “comprehensive immigration reform” = amnesty for illegals

    Immigration is now touted as an economic panacea which will reduce unemployment.

  124. September 6, 2011 - 10:03 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: @ Michael Hardesty @Trenchant. Allende’s evils are grossly overstated. I know personally people, who were themselves tortured by the Pinochet regime, or had family members tortured by the Pinochet regime. They came to Canada as refugees. These people own small businesses in Canada. They supported Allende because of the nationalist part of his agenda. Chile was headed to where the US and Canada are today, owned and run by corporations. Who owns or controls most of the corporations? Jews.

    As for my worshipping democracy, I might do that if I lived in a country, like Switzerland where real democracy existed. Chile had/has proportional representation as their “model” of democracy. In Allende’s time, there were approximately 10 political parties with representation in their “congress”. Like Italy, gaining 30% of the popular vote is huge in that type of system, but the support of other parties is still needed. In the US, your Congress is bought and paid for by lobby groups. In Canada, like the UK, our electoral system allows people to be elected with as little as 30% of the popular vote depending on the number of candidates. I have for many years asked people the rhetorical question “What makes you think you live in a democracy?” That aside, what they choose to do for their country is their business not ours. There is no evidence, by the way, that Pinochet had anywhere near 30% support of the population at the time of the coup. He certainly did have near 100% support of the wealthy elite.

    It is obvious to me, that none of you truly understand nationalism, white or otherwise. Nationalism by nature requires an element of what you all believe is “Commie clap trap” or “socialism”. If you are headed down the road of a white enclave, there has to be a mechanism in place to nurture, develop, and sustain the population. The rugged individualism or frontier mentality of the US mindset 150 years ago alone, won’t cut it today.

    Change your paradigm. Why were vikings so successful? Because the whole village or town participated, from building the ship, making the sails, providing provisions, making the armour and weaponry, and the men to sail and fight on the raids. Why were the raids most often successful? Because merchants from the town or village, who were trading legitimately, provided the intel. Everyone was involved in the economic activity. Individuals all, but within a societal context.

    Iceland had, until the early 90s, that ancient mindset, and prospered. Americans would have called them socialists because post secondary education was free. However, students had to earn the right to go by their grades, not just show up with cash in hand. Their healthcare system had a small user fee paid for each visit. The banks could not be foreign owned and the government owned at least one of them. Unemployment was virtually unknown, and innovation was high in areas vital to the country’s interest. Immigration consisted mainly of guest workers in areas of labour shortage.

    The “new right”, who were educated in American (Jewish) business schools, took over in the mid 90s and you know the rest. A thousand years undone in 15, economically, and culturally through high immigration.

    My point is this: the problem we face is more complex than people are willing to admit. Merely stopping non-white immigration won’t do it. Wresting the mindset of young white people from Jewish control, alone, won’t do it, even if there was a comprehensive plan waiting to be put in place, which there isn’t. In short, the “good old days” aren’t coming back. New “good old days” have to be invented and the young surrounded, protected, and nurtured by the culture. That will require “commie” re-education and “socialism” to keep out the negative influences by providing basic necessities.

  125. September 6, 2011 - 8:59 am | Permalink

    @vened: In Canada, most of the East European Jews came before and shortly after WWI. While there was Jewish immigration after WWII, there were also huge numbers of Poles, Ukrainians and others who had managed to escape Operation Keelhaul.

  126. Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
    September 6, 2011 - 8:54 am | Permalink


  127. Michael Hardesty's Gravatar Michael Hardesty
    September 6, 2011 - 7:42 am | Permalink

    Marc Cooper did the ‘right thing’ by supporting Socialist-Communist Salvadore Allende’s attempt to set up a Communist State modeled on Cuba in Chile ?
    My god, what colossal ignorance.
    We have never had unfettered capitalism, unfortunately, but to the extent we did we have prospered.
    Read Economic Controversies by Murray Rothbard, available from Amazon.
    Murray Rothbard has worked out a full program of riparian and air rights. Just read his stuff directly and skip the Marxist rhetoric. He was also very anti-Israel and a complete WW2 revisionist. It is precisely government owned space that has caused environmental ravage.
    See Rothbard’s For A New Liberty and The Ethics Of Liberty.
    Companies leasing instead of owning is the worst possible way to go because then they have no incentives to plan ahead but merely to use up the resource as quickly as possible.
    Your comment on Gates is a nonsequitur. Everyone benefits from all sorts of ideas, Gates knew how to develop, expand and market those ideas. He’s entitled to his money, I’m sorry that he endorses collectivist causes.
    Curmudge did spout Commie clap-trap and I called him on it.
    Whites should have very strong views on Israel all the time since we have a quarter trillion in direct aid to Israel and it has costs trillions more in ill-will.

  128. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    September 6, 2011 - 6:46 am | Permalink

    Another benefit of a skills database is that over time it would, in itself, because an incredibly useful analytical tool for helpint to understand where the ‘anonymous’ support is coming from in terms of socal/economic status. Which in turn would help in the honing of strategies for meeting the minimum concerns of these people in order for them to make that change.

    please if anyone knows if a skills database solution has been or is being done, let me know in these comments.

  129. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    September 6, 2011 - 6:40 am | Permalink

    Has anyone created a skills database yet? I mean, an online service allowing – for example – people who are actively following some or other project that is good for the whites, to benefit from the skills/professional experience and so on, of people who are perhaps unable to personally get involved but want to help out?
    I know there are challenges involving bogus people signing up, however I think there are solutions that would minimize this effect, leaving it overall a really useful resource.
    Also…another way to start utilizing all those people who feel they can’t get actively involved.

  130. Henry's Gravatar Henry
    September 6, 2011 - 4:27 am | Permalink

    It is good to see that there is White outrage out there for things like this. We need to start taking over the media and spreading the truth as much as possible. Have a look at this Corruption Chronicles a Judicial Watch Blog, “DHS Stealth Amnesty Cover Up Exposed”

    “Officials at the Department of Homeland Security lied to Congress and the media to cover up a secret amnesty program that dismissed the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.”

  131. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 5, 2011 - 5:12 pm | Permalink

    @john sumner: I am very glad to learn that you aren’t a “democracy” worshiper, Mr. Sumner. Strictly speaking, I wrote only that you were seconding the other gentleman’s democracy worship, not practicing it yourself—though I do admit that that may be a distinction without a difference.

    You are, of course, quite right in assuming that I join you in being no fan of brutality and hypocrisy. It is for that very reason that I fear and distrust our own government and virtually all others; indeed, they would collapse in upon themselves if those two pillars supporting their existence were to crumble. For the same reason, I consider politicians a vile subset of the human species. (I am reminded, too, of Joe Sobran’s trenchant spoken comment about Ron Paul: “It’s not that he’s the most honest politician I’ve ever known. He’s the only one.”)

    Apropos the rape of democracy comments, I thought it was clear that they were meant as a summation or a statement in epitome of one entire class of arguments against Pinochet and for Allende. I certainly don’t claim that either you or Curmudgeon used that very locution. Yet I believe that my words do accurately sum up the state of mind of the chattering Establishment’s attitude toward the toppling of Allende. I distinctly recall seeing a Frontline propaganda “documentary” perhaps twenty years ago, wherein such exaggerated and incendiary turns of phrase were the norm. At every mention of Allende’s name, a sort of aural halo appeared over the narrator’s words. The references to his beneficence toward the elderly and infirm, people of color, small children and pets, and in excelsis, the institutions of self-government were so frequent as to be nauseating.

    Genuinely good men—even genuinely ill-used men who aren’t awfully good—need no such sanctimonious boosterism. Perhaps that is why the Tribal media spend so much time smearing and slandering the true titans of the Western past: to raze the memory of authentic heroes the better to prepare the ground for the erection of new fiberglass or polystyrene ones.

    Anent Allende’s monstrousness, I stand by what I wrote. I think that the comments made by several other contributors to this thread accurately portray a man who meant to do to and for Chile what Lenin, Trotsky, and their fellow Tribesmen did to and for the Russian Empire and much else besides. Allende may have been a piker in actual accomplishment, but he was a Lenin in aspiration.

  132. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 5, 2011 - 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Whites shouldn’t have set opinions on Israel or other races or religions. The biggest problems with Whites is that they think about everyone and everything except themselves. Whites, including many on this site, are more antisemitic or anti-non-whites than they are pro-White. This is a colossal error.

    Whites need to put themselves front and center. Otherwise they’re just living in someone else’s narrative. It’s not necessary for Whites to have opinions on other peoples. Stop taking the politics and views of others into account and start caring about your own ideas.

  133. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    September 5, 2011 - 3:37 pm | Permalink

    What a wonderful “allies” they would be: they will stop destroying us when they realize that they can still use us for their own purpose.Should we be grateful for that?And why is Overagainst answering for Someday?Again a confirmation that he is Someday’s sock puppet?You’re not too smart,Jew boy!

  134. vened's Gravatar vened
    September 5, 2011 - 1:39 pm | Permalink

    “They had enough on their plate dealing with the influx of East Europeans post WWII”

    Dude, are you for real???? I want to smoke what you smoke. There were NOT Eastern European (R1A1A Aryan Haplogroup.) They were Jews.

  135. Overagaist's Gravatar Overagaist
    September 5, 2011 - 12:26 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    It is in Jewish interests to promote unwhite immigration into the West, but those Jews who are primarily concerned with Israel (by no means all Jews) might give up their pro immigration activity if it began to damage their pro Israel activities.

  136. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    September 5, 2011 - 11:13 am | Permalink

    I don’t believe there are seats reserved for the minority groups in American educational institution. The admission is based on ‘who knows who’ and applicants’ previous academic records. However, the great majority of Campuses are controlled by pro-Israel financial contributers who decide what and who teaches at the Campuses. And I don’t recall any of those finacier are immigrants from the Asian, African or Muslims.

  137. September 5, 2011 - 9:24 am | Permalink

    wattylersrevolt September 5, 2011 – 9:16 – absolutely right.

  138. September 5, 2011 - 9:20 am | Permalink

    @ Trenchant, creative people have a right to benefit from their creation, the question is how much and for how long. The thing that I find repulsive is the idea that someone with access to money or connections (in other words the middle man) can make great sums even long after the creator is dead. An example is Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act (Sonny Bono Act, Mickey Mouse Protection Act).

    In the case of technological advances, given the fact that those creations are always building on knowledge supported in the public sector through public education the time limit on monopoly should be small.

    I think that Boldrin and Levine’s ought to question the prevailing assumption: “the right to buy and sell copies of an idea”. This is exactly where the middle man makes his money. Why should the rest of us pay a premium for his wheeling and dealing? As soon as the creator sells, the copyright should be off.

  139. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    September 5, 2011 - 9:19 am | Permalink

    @Jim: Jim, I think I have the answer to your question about why talk radio seems to be a little less ‘P.C.’ than TV.

    We both know that jews control both, right? I think that the jews think that they need to provide some kind of pressure relief valve for the red-hot, boiling White anger that seems to get hotter and burn with greater intensity with each passing day. Therefore, I think they are using talk radio as that pressure relief valve, in hopes that they can forestall the eventual explosion by letting angry whites vent their steam and frustrations. After all, for decades now – all the White wing has done is to bitch, vent, and blow off lots of steam – and meanwhile, the left and the jews have continued to make huge strides in imposing their anti-white agenda in direct defiance of the wishes of the vast majority of White Americans. Right?

    Whites who can vent their anger verbally are less likely to vent it in the sort of fashion that our 100 percent White ancestors did in 1776. And, that is what the jews and the left fear most – a sequel to 1776.

  140. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    September 5, 2011 - 9:16 am | Permalink

    Unfettered capitalism doesn’t equate to liberty either..instead it results in the raping-pillaging and plundering of the plant and the extreme concentration of wealth..and who ever has the most money rules…over the rest of us…this is exactly the situation we White Americans face today.

    And no, corporations should not be allowed to get a patents on life.

    If the globalization of labor markets is one of the great achievments of 20th-21st Century US capitalism, there has been a corresponding loss of wealth for millions of Native Born White Americans and a correpsonding loss of a direct consequence of the low wage labor policy that drives labor market globalization..and it it is the globalization of labor markets that is drives the policy of race-replacing the Native Born White American Majority with post-1965 darkie scab labor. And the fracking endemic in rural America-corporate raping and pillaging of America-in places such as upstate NY is a direct consequence of the globalization of American labor markets…it is economially struggling rural Whites who are leasing and selling their land off to the oil companies for the the big ecological gang rape of America.

    If freedom means anything, it menas this:freedom to determine one’s own fate. And in “America” 2011, it is the likes of parasites such as Bill Gates who has the freedom-by virtue if his enormous wealth to control/own “US” economic policy and thereby control the fate of millions of ordinary Native Born White Amerians.

    I have always found the Libertarian worshipping of the corporations, their parasite CEOS and the extreme concentration of wealth to be the most repellant aspect of Libertarians.

    I don’t like Marc Cooper..but at least he did one thing right in his life by supporting and working with Allende.

  141. new chapter's Gravatar new chapter
    September 5, 2011 - 3:08 am | Permalink
  142. Guy Francis's Gravatar Guy Francis
    September 5, 2011 - 1:50 am | Permalink

    I was watching relevant, fact-filled posts disappear from the comments section on the Washington Post story about GOP Presidential candidates and illegal immigration. It was 1984 before one’s eyes. One expects that from HuffPo but to see WaPo do it was unexpected. Shows how naive some of us are, even after all we’ve known.

  143. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    September 4, 2011 - 10:40 pm | Permalink


    If organized Jewry are Israeli Firsters then it follows that the promotion of immigration into white countries is not their primary objective.

    Even if that is true,then that is cold comfort to us.It is like saying arson of your house is not so bad because that is not the primary objective of the incendiary,building for himself an own house is.Worse even, you urge us on to support him in his efforts to build his own house while he is busy burning ours.How talmudic of yours to try to defend the indefensible in this way!Have you still not understood that your presence here is useless?If you want to be of any use go to your tribal brothers and try to persuade them to stop their destructive behaviour instead of defending it.

  144. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 4, 2011 - 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Missing, Costa Gavras’ film on the coup, was loudly welcomed by by liberals from the NYT down. It is a good film, all mendacity aside.

  145. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 4, 2011 - 9:51 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: But aren’t most regimes like Pinochet’s really the White people in those Latin American countries trying to protect themselves against the socialist brown masses?

  146. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 4, 2011 - 9:51 pm | Permalink
  147. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 4, 2011 - 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Gates’ riches would be much, much less were there no intellectual “property” regime, a state monopoly. (Pace Michael Hardesty).
    Those with an open mind can read, Against Intellectual Monopoly.

    Air, water, and other unowned resources are prone to the tragedy of the commons.

  148. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 4, 2011 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Leftists mourn Allende because he was the only Marxist to get elected, as opposed to violent revolution. Hollywood loves him like they love Che.

  149. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 4, 2011 - 9:40 pm | Permalink

    Democracy doesn’t equate to liberty. Allende got about 30% of the popular vote, and the country was awash with Soviet planners and spooks. But I agree on the US intervention being counterproductive and wrong. If Chileans ended up with a socialist police state, that’s their problem alone.

  150. john sumner's Gravatar john sumner
    September 4, 2011 - 9:39 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: With respect, you are doing what other commentators, like Mr. Hardesty, have done. I do not worship democracy. Where did I write such a thing?

    I, like you, believe that people do have a right to good government.

    I, like you (I would guess), am not a fan of gross hypocrisy and wanton brutality.

    My feelings of disgust for Pinochet and America’s decision to back him have nothing to do with believing that “supporting him is equivalent to aiding and abetting the rape of ‘democracy’.” (Again: Where are you getting that from?)

    I am not a fan of Allende. I am in no way inclined to have posters of him and other trendy leftists on my walls. But how, in the world, was he a “monster,” and a more montrous one than Pinochet, at that?

  151. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 4, 2011 - 9:06 pm | Permalink

    @john sumner: Mr. Sumner, it is perfectly clear that Curmudgeon is no dope—neither do you appear to be, of course—yet what he is engaging in and what you seem to be seconding is far, far worse than agit-prop. It is worship of democracy, the worst political false god in all of human history. Like the cult of Bacchus, it prospers where hope has given place to self-delusion and where self-administered chemical or psychological intoxicants convince their users that what ain’t there is visible and real.

    Consider this whole foofaraw over Pinochet. What purpose is served by denouncing him on the ridiculous basis that supporting him is equivalent to aiding and abetting the rape of “democracy”? To claim that Allende was somehow more legitimate than Pinochet because the former was “elected” by a plurality of 34 percent of those voting is to beg for ridicule.

    In moral terms—the only terms that matter in the long run, need I add?—both men were monsters, but Allende was clearly more monstrous than the man who did his country a service by ousting Allende. Albeit unwillingly, Pinochet, alas, also did the Tribal masters of the United States and their compatriots around the world an equally great service insofar as he handed them a “heroic martyr” to ram down a gullible world’s throat. In short, defending Allende is neither more nor less than doing the Tribe’s work for it.

    Before the Jews and their Freemasonic allies grabbed operational control of the temporal structures of the Catholic Church, the church had taught for centuries that we human beings were divinely entitled to good government, not self-government. The virtual disappearance of this bracing and salutary truth can, alas, be chalked up as one more abomination laid upon mankind by the Second Vatican Council and its aftermath. Had the council never taken place, the institutional church might still be warning the world’s Catholics to beware the Jews and their allies, as popes and bishops constantly did for almost nineteen hundred years.

    Apropos genuinely good government, does anyone out there still reading this rant seriously believe that the late Otto von Habsburg wouldn’t have done a better job, administratively and morally, running Austria, Chile, the United States, or any other country you care to name than any of the degenerate cabals now in charge of these or the world’s other nations?

  152. Jim's Gravatar Jim
    September 4, 2011 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    You might be surprised to find that there are a lot of local talk radio hosts who openly take confrontationally conservative stands on these issues…they just exist inside of the east and left coasts.

    For some reason, it seems that talk radio is given a PC exempt ticket that mainstream television and print media aren’t. I don’t know exactly why that is, but it is. Maybe it’s part of a “shock jock” tradition or something.

    One local (regional) radio jock has also derided our state legislature for refusing to pass illegal immigration laws and for allowing illegal residents to receive in-state tuition at our universities. He calls the local black activists/politicians buffoons and morons and their constituents culturally and morally dysfunctional. At a local Tea Party gathering he opened his speech, sarcastically, with “Greetings fellow racists and hate mongers!”

    Still, I was disappointed when only a handful of us anti-illegal conservatives showed up at our state’s public hearing for the immigration law while several hundred latino, black and jewish liberals showed up. (And I live in very white and conservative state.) I don’t know how effective talk radio can be in getting conservative whites to do what they ultimately need to do.

  153. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    September 4, 2011 - 6:22 pm | Permalink


    No Bill Gates should not be allowed to get as wealthy as he has..for by allowing this to happen he is given the power of a demigod-with life and death consequeces for millions of Native Born White the fatal flaw and gross immorality of across-the-board Libertarians and the Ron Paul worship society.

  154. September 4, 2011 - 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Can we start drawing up a class action lawsuit against the tribe for misleading America that the TV News, Newspapers, and News magazines were operating in ‘their’ best interest?
    Can we start a conservative ACLU? There would be a lot of contributions if the word got out.

  155. September 4, 2011 - 3:53 pm | Permalink

    “no country owns anything, it’s all owned by the particular individuals who develop them.” – Michael’s statement that I was querying.

  156. September 4, 2011 - 3:43 pm | Permalink

    @Michael Hardesty, then how do you explain fishing rights and air space? The idea of having the natural resources of a country privately own by those who have deep enough pockets to extract them is a fault in our definition of private property. It is one of the ways the few control the many. Companies should bid on the rights to extraction and then pay a dividend to the nation that those resources lie in.

    Murray Rothbard is the darling of the rich because he has convinced the poor that if only they will build a better mouse trap they too can be masters of the universe, sadly unless the poor have the means to market their mouse trap, the rich and connected buy it up or out right steal it, talk to the Winklevoss twins.
    Should Bill Gates really be as rich as he is given all the other peoples work and ideas that he drew on?

  157. Voir Dire's Gravatar Voir Dire
    September 4, 2011 - 3:22 pm | Permalink

    @Voir Dire: “in the last four years of the Best Congress the Central Banksters’ can buy:” – Voir Dire

    Should have read “in the four years from 2004-2008…” for accuracy’s sake.

  158. WG's Gravatar WG
    September 4, 2011 - 3:16 pm | Permalink


    Race War has *already* ensued–yet Whites are still not aware of it.

    It’s about to move into the shooting stage, as these Latino groups know full well.

    When that happens–and it will–not all Whites are going to let themselves and their loved ones be led like cattle to the slaughterhouse.

    Some of us, indeed *many* of us, will fight back.

    We will fight back and we will win.

  159. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    September 4, 2011 - 2:43 pm | Permalink

    If organized Jewry are Israeli Firsters then it follows that the promotion of immigration into white countries is not their primary objective.

  160. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 4, 2011 - 1:50 pm | Permalink


    There’s not going to be any “race war.” Crazies like Charles Manson have been saying that for decades and it never happens. Whites will bend over and take it the way they did in South Africa.

  161. john sumner's Gravatar john sumner
    September 4, 2011 - 1:44 pm | Permalink

    @Michael Hardesty: I never said that Communism was not a Jewish creation. Where are you getting that from?

    Not that it matters. After all, you ridiculously accused Curmudgeon of engaging in “Commie agit-prop.”


  162. Michael Hardesty's Gravatar Michael Hardesty
    September 4, 2011 - 12:47 pm | Permalink

    John, there were thousands of leftist American Jews like Marc Cooper working for Allende. Communism from its inception in Russia hasbeen a largely Jewish movement.
    You simply don’t know what you are talking about.
    Pinochet saved millions of lives that would have been lost if Chile had become another Cuba.
    99% of all Jews here opposed Pinochet so when Friedman praised him it was because of his free market policies, not some tribal loyalty.
    Curmudge, no country owns anything, it’s all owned by the particular individuals who develop them. Spare us the Commie agit-prop.
    Read Economic Controversies by Murray Rothbard. He has a chapter dissecting Friedman as not being a real free market advocate.

  163. Voir Dire's Gravatar Voir Dire
    September 4, 2011 - 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Further proof that both parties have been thoroughly co-opted and adulterated by these Israeli Firsters, and the only “dime” worth a difference between both treasonous parties is the truly honorable “Republican” Ron Paul.

    MuzzleWatchTracking efforts to stifle open debate about US-Israeli foreign policy.

    Sam Zell: When Jews control the media

    The LA Times long-time open-borders advocacy (for here AND Europe) cup so runneth over, they have a burgeoning archives simply entitled “Open Borders”

  164. Enigmatic's Gravatar Enigmatic
    September 4, 2011 - 11:46 am | Permalink

    Hey Professor Mac:
    Funny how supervisor Don Knabe is complaining about Latino unity via redistricting thereby ensuring a Latino Supervisor. I think Don is waking up to the fact that a world without white unity and interests is a world the white man does not want to be part of!!

  165. pnxaw's Gravatar pnxaw
    September 4, 2011 - 11:28 am | Permalink


    No, it’s not coming. Ever.

  166. pnxaw's Gravatar pnxaw
    September 4, 2011 - 11:26 am | Permalink


    Not to you, snafu.

  167. WG's Gravatar WG
    September 4, 2011 - 11:24 am | Permalink

    Latino group predicts Civil War in next 5 years:

    It won’t be a “civil war”.

    It will be a Race War.

    Get ready, folks.

    It’s coming.

  168. maxsnafu's Gravatar maxsnafu
    September 4, 2011 - 10:58 am | Permalink


    …which signifies nothing.

  169. September 4, 2011 - 9:45 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Pinochet overthrew a democratically elected government. If Chileans wanted that party to govern them, that is their business and no one else’s.
    The threat was that Anaconda Copper, one of the world’s largest mines at the time, was going to be nationalized along with other foreign owned assets. When a country loses control of its natural resources, its agricultural policy, and runs up huge debts to foreign creditors, it ceases to be a country. This statement applies to the US, Canada, and the EU. Who benefits? Who have always been the globalists? The wandering “chosen” ones who have their agents in every nation in which they have been allowed to reside.

  170. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 4, 2011 - 8:53 am | Permalink

    @john sumner:
    Like communism wasn’t a Jewish vehicle.

  171. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    September 4, 2011 - 8:33 am | Permalink


    Gotta keep everyone on the same page. Lacking the ability of precision divination, I can not the predict the exact day and time of the Perfect Storm..athough surely it is comming when we least expect it. And when it hits, the window will open miles wide…and you, Jared Taylor,Peter Brimelow,Richard Spencer and a few others will have your opportunity to speak to your fellow Native Born White Americans. It is absolutetly crucial to have the right “debating” framework. It is absolutely crucial to hammer home..slam deep in to the frontal lobes of our fellow Native Born White Americans… that they are losing very rapidly a massive amount of living space-this includes space at a University-to the Asian, Muslim, Mestizo and African genelines. A tag team of the Perfect Storm of events and the right “debating “framework” will induce the required level stark raving fear that will make it impossible for milllons of Native Born White Americans to get lost in reveries about their fantasy football draft picks during twilight time.

  172. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    September 4, 2011 - 6:39 am | Permalink


    Kevin, I realize, after thinking about it, that Roman Catholic Jerry Brown does sign your pay check. So, I’m not going to be critical of you for deleting my earlier comments about California politics.

    I also realize that you have made some serious & powerful enemies, both in California and nationally.

    That Kephart murder where the two Mexican and one Irish cop in San Bernardino county killed a well liked & model citizen isn’t setting well with me.

    From what I’ve read Allen Kephart although a Protestant did many favors for the Roman Catholic church including producing a Catholic Mass TV program for them.

  173. john sumner's Gravatar john sumner
    September 4, 2011 - 2:12 am | Permalink

    @Michael Hardesty: Pinochet and his army of torturers were backed to the hilt by the JewSA. If he were a nationalist who actually cared about the welfare, stability and integrity of his own people, he would not have received such warm support from the likes of Kissinger and Milton Friedman.

    If Pinochet’s reign of terror, and our backing of it, had a lot to do with “combating The Red Menace,” then I am Paris Hilton.

  174. dc's Gravatar dc
    September 4, 2011 - 1:55 am | Permalink


    An exceedingly important point. The terminology is both phony and manipulative.

  175. pnxaw's Gravatar pnxaw
    September 4, 2011 - 12:58 am | Permalink

    Sam Zell, owner of the LA Times, is a Republican.

  176. Don Honda's Gravatar Don Honda
    September 3, 2011 - 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Re: AB 131
    Here’s what we have to look forward to, with audio links, even:

  177. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 3, 2011 - 7:32 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: I just got back from a large store where I heard at least four languages being spoken: Spanish, Vietnamese, Arabic and English. The city I am in at the moment is probably less than half White (big city). If Whites are ever going to start reversing dispossession of their country, they had better start fast!

    You mention the history of Whites with regard to other races in America, suggesting we have had more racial conflict than Europe did in the past. This seems true, but I have a feeling that Whites were never quite as “mean” as our history books and Hollywood movies suggest (big surprise!). For example, the vast majority of lynchings that took place were in retaliation for black crimes.

    For the most part, Whites in the US have never had a desire to be cruel to other races. As long as other groups aren’t being in-your-face violent, Whites don’t react. And yes, this may be a weakness. We are letting huge numbers of non-Whites build up, and the day may come when only truly painful measures will save us (if even then).

    I talk to a few Whites about these issues, and with the younger ones, it is like pulling teeth to get them to open their eyes. If they are under 35 or so, most don’t want to hear it. I had one, who is a pro-American, gun-loving, patriotic type, tell me finally that he just didn’t care about race and he didn’t want to discuss it anymore. There are exceptions, but the whole topic of being pro-White has been so successfully programmed in their minds as a taboo, that I don’t know what will change it.

  178. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    September 3, 2011 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Let me pay Devil’s advocate Kevin..and Peter Brimelow:

    Race-replacement Enthusiast:”Kevin McDonald and Peter Brimelow…so what if the Mexican illegals getting in-state-tuition and financial aid….what if they were White teenagers from Maine and would still be the same amount of $$$$$.

    Moral of the story..the economic argument is trivial in the larger scheme of things…in the larger scheme of things..reversing race-replacement is all that matters….

  179. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    September 3, 2011 - 7:00 pm | Permalink


    Are you just as outraged that the “American” born children of post-1965 Asian legal immigrants are now way more numerous in the California University system than the Native Born White American teenagers? Well,are you? If you are should should the callers to this radio show..or do the Asain invaders get a free pass from you because on average the Asian in..what should be..and what was..our California..have higher scores on an IQ test.

    The fundamental issue is the theft of Native Born White American Living Space..whether it be stolen by Mexican illegal aliens or post-1965 “American” Born is still the same crime.

  180. Steve's Gravatar Steve
    September 3, 2011 - 5:01 pm | Permalink

    I perused the web and there’s lots of pro websites for the California Dream Act. There were few dissenting websites. I also delved into the California Assembly itself to get an understanding of how this bill came to pass. Their Assembly has 80 members of which 52 are democrats. In general, using only surnames, I counted about 17 Spanish surnames, 7 Asian, and a couple Jews. Governor Jerry Brown is also a democrat. In addition, all the major Jewish groups such as the ADL and AJC were strongly in favor of the Dream Act as expected. As for demographics, California is 40% non-Hispanic White, 37% Hispanic, 13% Asian, 6% Black. The Whites are outnumbered in both the political arena and demographics. It’s easy to understand why California is bankrupt, yet continues to pass absurd legislation.

    At this point California is a write-off.

  181. Voir Dire's Gravatar Voir Dire
    September 3, 2011 - 4:25 pm | Permalink

    @Voir Dire: On that previously cited link regarding the charming Ms. Feinstein and bankster hubby Blum and their thieving ways, I also posted a link to a short, striking video that really deserves to go viral; I hope everyone will take a few moments to watch it, check your blood-pressure afterwards, and then spread it FAR-AND-WIDE:

    “The following video should dismiss any remaining vestiges of delusions or hopes that the crookster politicians’ are working for YOU the lowly booboisie, and validate that they ARE being richly rewarded by the shysters’ for doing their bidding. See the astonishing exponential growth in personal enrichment by some of the worst political whores (Obama – #6 on Democratic list) in the last four years of the Best Congress the Central Banksters’ can buy:”

    The Video Congress Does NOT Want You To See!

    Read more:

  182. September 3, 2011 - 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Gee people. I have a real problem with broad brush terms as “liberals” or “conservatives”. Most people have opinions that span the range of “liberals” to “conservatives”depending on the topic. Many of my friends regard me as a socialist on some topics and a neo-Nazi on issues such as immigration.

    As a political nationalist, my views on a number of economic issues are considered socialist, because I don’t believe businesses should be given carte blanche to walmartize citizens by paying starvation wages. Nor do I believe that they should be allowed a free hand to off shore jobs, create unemployment, control the monetary system, or degrade the environment. All of the above are detrimental to the wellbeing of citizens.

    On the immigration front, I am adamantly opposed to any immigration, regardless of origin, while citizens are unemployed. As I have stated in previous posts, my grandfather enlisted for WWI, and my father, 4 uncles and an aunt enlisted for WWII. I can categorically state, that none of them were fighting to have their country turn into a non white nation. While I never saw them being rude or disrespectful to the relatively few blacks and Asians that were citizens during my childhood years, it was clear that they would have much preferred that their presence was tolerated, not welcomed. They had enough on their plate dealing with the influx of East Europeans post WWII.

    It adds nothing to the debate to use the terms “liberals” or “conservatives” as pejorative terms. After all the founding fathers of the US were considered “liberals” in their day.

  183. tadzio's Gravatar tadzio
    September 3, 2011 - 3:49 pm | Permalink

    If those passing the bill project it to cost $40 million, you should add a zero. In the out years this will greatly increase for two reasons: 1.) California will attract more illegal students from within and from outside the US; and, 2) There will be a higher default rate on loan repayments..

    The looting of White Christian workers never eases up. It will increase until it explodes. America’s hostile elite is driving without brakes.

  184. Michael Hardesty's Gravatar Michael Hardesty
    September 3, 2011 - 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Both of our Jewish women Senators need to be in prison along with Governor Fruiter. All elected Democrats here in California need to do what Pinochet requested socialists and communists in Chile to do in fall 1973, report to the police for questioning.
    Pinochet was a great guy.

  185. Michael Hardesty's Gravatar Michael Hardesty
    September 3, 2011 - 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Joe Webb, never thought I’d agree with you but you are right on ! Great comments, thanks.

  186. Michael Hardesty's Gravatar Michael Hardesty
    September 3, 2011 - 3:34 pm | Permalink

    This is so typical of the utter arrogance and stupidity of the MSM. They are all sinking and good riddance to them all from
    the AP to Harper’s to the Pravda of The Potomac (WashPost) to the NY Times. Sulzberger has promised to discontinue the print edition by 2015 and we need to make it happen sooner.
    And this applies to the neocon Jewish Supremacist Murdoch media, the various faux conservative talk shows on am radio
    and all the GOP Mossad candidates except Ron Paul and some days I have my doubts about him.
    Thanks, Dr. MacDonald for providing a great forum here.
    Alas, I’m afraid a real revolution is our only longrange hope
    or am I being too optimistic ?

  187. Voir Dire's Gravatar Voir Dire
    September 3, 2011 - 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Prof. Macdonald:

    Excepting for many good people like yourself and poster “Bon” who likewise resides in California (and counting on blitzkrieged-by-the-banksters and woefully under-funded state pension plans), I would take immense pleasure when our once beautiful, prosperous “Golden state” invariably goes belly-up. It certainly gives new meaning to “as California goes; so goes the rest of the nation” which is inevitable too since most states are likewise bankrupt. No one could ever convince me that this is anything but by design. Our only hope is that it backfires on the central bankers and treasonous politicians. Eventually there will be a reckoning for what has been done to this country.

    Omission of important events by these master propagandists is as much a weapon at their disposal as distortion. Every time I hear about another publication of the Marxist Jewish rags going under or losing money, my heart leaps for joy. Who the hell did they think was going to buy their blatantly anti-White papers (aside from their foolish, brainwashed Whites) once they were replaced by third-worlders? They’ve been dying a slow death for a very long time, but they’ve DESERVED a quick one. Good riddance one and all!

    I experienced this outrage of “instate-tuition-for-illegals” first-hand. My son was born in San Antonio, and we lived there for the first fourteen years of his life, then Austin for two and finally moved-out-of-state for my then husband’s job. After graduation, he was accepted to UT Austin – at OUT-OF-STATE tuition rates which are almost quadruple the in-state rates because of the same ongoing treachery by Texas politicians that Californians have likewise long endured. My son, a native Texan, was going to have to pay out-of-state tuition rates while alien criminals who broke our laws are being rewarded. We truly are living in a banana republic with our precious, hard-won, rule-of-law heritage being eviscerated right before our very eyes. Btw, my son went elsewhere.

    I wonder if I forwarded my expose on Dianne Feinstein’s fiscal rape of the U.S. taxpayers for personal enrichment to the “Ken and John” show if they would have the courage to take on the issue of getting this disgusting woman where she rightfully belongs – behind bars for her crimes?

  188. Tragery's Gravatar Tragery
    September 3, 2011 - 2:57 pm | Permalink

    I’m sad I missed the show where John and Ken reenacted Rebecca Zahau’s “Suicide”.

    That girl did not kill herself.

    I won’t post anything more about it because I think it is just too scary when you start going through the articles, who the witnesses were, who the cops are etc etc.

  189. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    September 3, 2011 - 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Given the collective semi-conscious memory of US Whites with regard to Injuns and Nigras, and the European innocence with regard to its history which has not Others in it for several hundred years, I wonder it the US isn’t going to go ballistic sooner than Europe.

    Muslims are probably stranger than Mexers, yet mexers here bring up not-far-back memories of bracero programs, mexer behavior over the past few decades, perhaps even the Mexican War of @ 1850, and of course presently the daily news of mexer drug cartels and their ruthless mayhem.

    Who knows, maybe even the currently running TV series, Breaking Bad (a superb show imho) has its role to play. If you saw the episodes with Tuco, you will never forget him. Then there was No Country for old Men a few years ago. This stuff gets into the blood of Whites.

    Maybe US Whites ARE more racist than our European counterparts given our particular history. The Constant nigger-drumbeat adopted by the LIberals and Jews over the last few decades has kept the lid on.

    But mexers are another story. Nobody believes we OWE them anything. We also have a geographic solution for mexers. With Blacks it appears hopeless and hopelessness generates nothing but least for now.

    On top of all this is the economic woes which provides purchase, if not cover, for implicit to become explicit.

    The Injun Wars have started again, and will not go away until Injuns and the US political parties and politics in general are Changed.

    We are of course in the Crisis of LIberalism, economic, political, social, racial.
    Great Times. Joe

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