A Dissident Meditation on Jewish Identity: A Review of Gilad Atzmon’s “The Wandering Who?”

Kevin MacDonald

Gilad Atzmon, The Wandering Who? A Study of Jewish Identity Politics (Winchester, UK and Washington, DC: Zer0 Books, 2011, 202 pp.)

Gilad Atzmon is one of those rarest of all birds—the sort of person who would be called a “self-hating Jew” by Jewish activists. Except that he doesn’t really hate himself and really doesn’t have much of a Jewish identity at all. He is an honest leftist who happens to be of Jewish origin; or perhaps one should label him a liberal devoted to the values of the Enlightenment,  without the typical Jewish blinders. Although he has a few blinders of his own, he sees quite clearly the incompatibility of Zionism with post-Enlightenment Western civilization.

For Atzmon, Zionism is all about Judaism as racial identity politics, ethnic cleansing, and manipulating Western governments via the Israel Lobby. As a child growing up in Israel, “supremacy was brewed into our souls, we gazed at the world through racist, chauvinistic binoculars. And we felt no shame about it either” (p. 2). He began his journey of embracing the West as a result of immersion in jazz. Eventually, “I somehow already yearned to become a Goy or at least to be surrounded by Goyim” (p. 7).

For Atzmon, the racialism so fundamental to Zionism is an aberration from Judaism the religion. He has no problem with people who “regard themselves as human beings that happen to be of Jewish origin.” The problem arises with “those who put their Jewish-ness over and above all other traits” (p. 16). This sort of Jewish essentialism was central to Zionism from the beginning, often with strong racialist overtones. Quoting Vladimir Jabotinsky, the father of the Israeli right:

A Jew brought up among Germans may assume German customs, German words. He may be wholly imbued with that German fluid but the nucleus of his spiritual structure will always remain Jewish because his blood, his body, his physical racial type are Jewish.


Atzmon reviews the data showing that Zionism began out of a concern that Jews would lose their racial distinctiveness by assimilation (see also here, p. 152ff)—a “tribal preservation project” p. 70). “Separation is a strategy of ghetto-building, and Zionists have followed this strategy since the late nineteenth century” (p. 41). This is certainly true, but Atzmon seems unaware that in this regard, Zionism was simply building on traditional Jewish separatism. Indeed, early Zionists were well aware of this. As the early Zionist Elias Auerbach phrased it, “Zionism would return Jews ‘back into the position they enjoyed before the nineteenth century—politically autonomous, culturally whole, and racially pure’” (Ibid, p. 158). The original enemy of the Zionists was the Enlightenment and the assimilationist tendencies of Western civilization.

True Zionists are therefore Jews first and foremost—to the point that they put the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the countries they live in. Atzmon thus cites the work of Victor Ostrovsky, the former Mossad agent who described the huge network of Sayanim ready to help the cause of Israel by aiding the Mossad. This of course is exactly the type of behavior that has led to the loyalty issue of anti-Jewish attitudes throughout history. Atzmon is quite clear that the loyalty issue applies in spades to the neoconservatives and the rest of the Jewish establishment with their constant drumbeat of wars for Israel—“the neocons transform the American army into an Israeli mission force” (p. 70). Paul Wolfowitz (a central focus of Atzmon’s ire) as a Sayan.

Atzmon is quite aware that if anti-Semitism didn’t exist, strongly identified Jews would have to create it: “Zionism is maintained by anti-Semitism” (p. 33). The perception of anti-Semitism creates a bunker mentality that justifies everything.

Atzmon has a nice chapter on the deceptive self-images of liberal secular Jews who spout phrases of universalist humanism but in their innermost beings are anything but universalist or humanist. This is indeed the central masquerade of Jews in the post-Enlightenment West, what he calls “the Jewish tribal left” p. 72). He traces this stance to the very origins of the European Enlightenment when Moses Mendelssohn advised Jews to “live in a dual, deceptive mode, if not practically in a state of schizophrenia. … He must have realised that universalism and tribalism are opposing categories. … This solution led to false and deceptive behaviour. … This behavioural code, though very pragmatic, happens to be non-ethical by definition. It is based on deception—both self-deception and deceiving the other” (pp. 55, 57).

The result is that Jewish identity in the Diaspora is what Atzmon terms a “negative identity”:

Rather than understanding who you are, one invests some effort in differentiating oneself from the other and from the universal. Rather than listening to one’s conscience and engage in an authentic ethical judgment, the negating subject sets his or her relationships with his or her surrounding environment, based on pragmatic and practical decision-making and exchange. At most one may present a pretence of ethical thinking, but no more than that. (p. 63).

Prime examples of this pragmatic veneer of ethics are neocon ideologues who “always present a seemingly ‘ethical’ argument. They employ what looks like a moral excuse in order to introduce a pretext for a war. … Clearly the Palestinians and the Iraqis are paying a heavy price as victims of the politics of negation, politics that convey a deceitful image of righteousness” (p. 64).

Although Atzmon is quite aware of the deceptiveness of the secular Jewish left, noting that the Israeli left, like its Diaspora counterparts, has eagerly endorsed all of Israel’s wars (p. 79). Unfortunately, he thinks of Jewish socialism and Jewish progressive activism” only as “integral parts of the Zionist network[;] they are concerned with the future of the Jewish secular tribe — they are there to collect the lost souls amongst the humanist Jewish, to bring them home for Hanukkah” p. 76).

Would that that was the whole story. Atzmon fails to go beyond Zionism in his analysis of the Jewish left in the Diaspora in the West. The reality is that the Jewish left has been the most important force in the dissolution of the West as an ethno-cultural entity while tenaciously holding onto its own ethno-culture. The Jewish left has been the backbone of the left throughout the West since early in the 20th century, and it has been by far the most important component of the Jewish Diaspora community in Western nations throughout the 20th century into the 21st century. Prior to WWII, the Jewish left used its influence to support international socialism and the USSR where Jews had become a dominant elite, and since WWII it has had a critical influence promoting massive non-White immigration, multiculturalism, and the displacement of the traditional people and culture of the West.

It is this assault by the Jewish tribalist left masquerading as enlightened universalists that was a major source of anti-Semitism during and preceding the National Socialist era in Germany. For example, in Mein Kampf Hitler wrote of the liberal Jew “while he seems to overflow with ‘enlightenment,’ ‘progress,’ ‘freedom,’ ‘humanity,’ etc., he himself practices the severest segregation of his race ” (see here, p. 150). Similarly, Atzmon notes “emancipated Jews insist on celebrating the fruits of enlightenment; they celebrate their right to determine who they are. On the other hand, Jewish politics is tribal, it is intolerant of Jewish dissidence or any form of self-determination that may oppose what it regards as Jewish political or tribal interests” (p. 105).

The only “ethical” principle is what’s good for the Jews: “both Judaism and ‘Jewish ideology’ are devoid of universal ethics” (p. 113). Both the Israeli left (Matzpen) and the neocons (Wolfowitz) use Western rhetoric “to justify the Jewish right to self-determination and the destruction of Arab regional power and Islam. For the Matzpenist, to liberate Arabs is to turn them into Bolsheviks; the neocon is actually slightly more modest — all he wants is for Arabs to drink their Coca-Cola in a Westernised democratic society. Both Judeocentric philosophies were doomed to failure, because the notion of self-determination is overwhelmingly Eurocentric” (p. 109.; italics in text).

In the long run, I predict that the Diaspora strategy of the Jewish mainstream will lead to a resurgence of racial identity in the West as Whites realize that they and their culture are under assault by massive non-White immigration and multiculturalism. Judaism is indeed incompatible with Western culture, and as its influence grows, the West will inevitably be Balkanized into competing ethnic/racial groups—precisely the population structure that inevitably results from a powerful strategizing group in a Diaspora context, exacerbated now by the massive immigration and multiculturalism unleashed by Jewish intellectual and political movements.

Throughout history, Jews have always been an elite, typically making alliances with non-Jewish elites and often collaborating in oppression of the peoples dominated by the elites. Here Atzmon traces the Jewish preoccupation with making alliances with the powerful to the Book of Esther, where Mordecai schemes to influence the king on behalf of the Jews. Atzmon describes several modern examples, most interestingly Rabbi Joachim Prinz’s 1934 letter to the NSDAP where he affirms the idea that Jews are a race committed to maintaining racial purity, while seeking common ground with the dominant power, the German government.

But it was an alliance based on interests, not principle. Later, after emigrating to America, Prinz as head of the American Jewish Congress, became the quintessential liberal. According to Atzmon, the only consistency was his realization that “whatever is good for Jews is simply good” (p. 164). Similarly, Jewish organizations have treated the Armenian genocide not as a historical narrative, but have solely been concerned about how it affects the interests of Israel. For Jews, there are no principles, only interests.

In the  contemporary West, Jews have expanded on the historical Diaspora strategy of making alliances with elites to focus on three ways of obtaining influence, citing a comment of über-Zionist Haim Saban: Donations to political parties, establishing think tanks, and controlling media outlets. Right. This is not the place to recount Jewish media domination and political influence, but it is worth noting that Saban has practiced what he preaches: Saban controls Univision, the Spanish language network and led a group that bought Kirsch Media Group, a German media conglomerate; he has contributed millions of dollars to Democratic political causes and lesser amounts to Republicans; and he funded the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution to the tune of $13 million. This strategy, which ultimately stems from Jewish wealth and active engagement in the political process, has given Jews influence far beyond their numbers.

Atzmon at times gets a bit off the rails. For example, he proposes that Alan Greenspan engineered the housing bubble in order to distract people from the war in Iraq. A definitive account of the Jewish role in the greatest elite fraud in history remains to be written. And it is certainly true that Greenspan, along with Robert Rubin and Larry Summers, bears responsibility for de-regulating the financial markets and enabling the housing bubble. However, Atzmon doesn’t provide any evidence for his view, and it would seem that simple greed seems at least as likely an explanation.

Atzmon creates a narrative in which traditional Jews living in European societies “saw themselves as American, British or French people who happened to be Jewish,” but then Zionists came along and eventually convinced most Jews that they were Jews first and foremost — “the birth of Zionist separatism” (p. 39). In general, Atzmon is far too eager to paint Zionism as the original sin of Judaism. While it’s true that this is a good description of what one might call the official public ideology of Judaism in post-Enlightenment European societies, it is not at all an accurate description of Jewish behavior. In fact the loyalty issue long pre-dates Zionism. Jews have always had strong international connections and interests that transcended where they happened to live. Perhaps the most historically important example of this was the worldwide campaign of the organized Jewish community against the Russian government from the late 19th century up to the Bolshevik Revolution—a campaign that at times opposed the national interests of the countries where they lived (see here, p. 67ff).

Another one of Atzmon’s blinders relates to the racial/ethnic component of Judaism. He notes some of the passages in the Old Testament where God commands slaughter and genocide, but fails to note in the same passages that the whole point of this violence is to prevent intermarriage with the victims. Dead people can’t be marriage partners; they can’t pollute the gene pool. Thus he quotes Deuteronomy 7: 1–2: “When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations … you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.” But he leaves out the next line: “You shall not make marriages with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons” (Deut. 7:3). For the Jews, the God of the Old Testament is nothing more or less than the racially pure Jewish gene pool.

Indeed, Atzmon completely avoids any mention of modern population genetic studies that show conclusively that Jews are indeed an ethnic entity and that widely dispersed Jewish groups are more similar to each other than to the peoples they have lived among for hundreds or thousands of years. Instead he relies on Shlomo Sand’s The Invention of the Jewish People to argue that Jewish peoplehood is an invention of the 19th century resulting from the influence of German nationalism.

Part of Sand’s argument is that the events described in the Bible are imaginary. This may or may not be true, but the point is that the events illustrate the mindset of the authors, and that mindset is decidedly on the racialist/ethnocentric side. There is a deep concern with intermarriage in multiple passages in many books of the Old Testament, all with the drumbeat that intermarriage is the ultimate form of Jewish apostasy. Moreover, this concern with intermarriage was characteristic of historical Jewish Diaspora communities. Intermarriage not only removed one from the Jewish community but was a stain on the entire family, thus damaging the marriage prospects of relatives into future generations (A People That Shall Dwell Alone: Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy, Ch. 3 & Ch. 4). The historical data are quite clear that the Jewish people are an ethnic entity, and these results are highly compatible with contemporary genetic evidence.

Moreover, there is no evidence to support the Khazar hypothesis—also adopted by Sand and Atzmon — that Ashkenazi Jews have no genetic connection to the Middle East or to other Jewish groups but rather stem from a conversion event of a Turkic people in the Middle Ages. There is no evidence to indicate that is where the Ashkenazi population came from–linguistically (Yiddish is a German dialect), contemporary population genetic evidence, or their own historical memory. There is in fact evidence that the Khazars converted to Judaism, but it’s long way from that to supposing that the Khazars are the ancestors of the Ashkenazim. The reason people like Atzmon buy the Khazar hypothesis is that they think it de-legitimizes Israel–a political motive. But one need not support Israel even if one acknowledges the ethnic coherence of Judaism, and certainly there is no need to think the US should support Israel unconditionally just because Jews are an ethnic entity.

Atzmon comments: “Many Jews, even secular ones, continue to regard mixed marriage as the ultimate threat.” Right. And the fact that these concerns go back to the origins of Diaspora Judaism is exactly why Judaism remains an ethnic entity.

Atzmon is at his best in dealing with the culture of the Holocaust. In Chapter 16 (“Trauma queen”) he dismisses the reality of Jewish Holocaust trauma among Jews who never actually went through the experience, noting that whatever feelings they have are manufactured by what he calls the “Pre-Traumatic Stress Syndrome” — where Jews are manipulated into feeling trauma by media images of imminent destruction and by being transported to Auschwitz for the purpose of “maturing into traumatised Jewish adults” (p. 131), thereby suppressing any possible empathy for the Palestinians. “The well-established Judeo-centric tendency to interpret almost any political and ideological criticism as a declaration of impending Judeocide is a severe form of collective Pre-TSS” (p. 131). There is always a “Shoah to come” (p. 132) lurking around the corner, likely to be set off by any criticism of Jews, no matter how rationally based (see also here, pp. 11–12).

Atzmon notes that the Holocaust cult has all the features of a religion and none of the features of a historical narrative:

It has priests (e.g., Simon Wiesenthal, Elie Wiesel, Deborah Lipstadt) and prophets (… those who warn of the Iranian Judeocide to come). It has commandments and dogmas (‘Never Again’) and rituals (memorial days, pilgrimage to Auschwitz, etc). It has an established, esoteric symbolic order (kapos, gas chambers, chimneys…). It also has a temple, Yad Vashem, and shrines — Holocaust museums in capital cities worldwide. The Holocaust religion is also financed by a massive global financial network …. This new religion is coherent enough to define its ‘antichrists’ (Holocaust deniers) and powerful enough to persecute them (through Holocaust-denial and hate-speech laws). (pp. 148–149)

The Holocaust has therefore achieved “meta-historical status” — beyond factual inquiry, its “’factuality’ sealed by draconian laws, and its reasoning secured by social and political institutions” (p. 149). It is a powerful political force on behalf of Jewish interests—e.g., it “is touted as a pretext for nuking Iran” (p. 152).

Many of these points have also been made by Peter Novick his The Holocaust in American Life. Novick adds that the culture of the Holocaust was promoted as the main source of Jewish identity and in the effort to combat assimilation and intermarriage among Jews. An important lesson is that “tolerance and diversity [are] good; hate [is] bad, the overall rubric [being] ‘man’s inhumanity to man'” (pp. 258-259). The Holocaust has thus become an instrument of Jewish ethnic interests as an instrument to silence opponents of high levels of multi-ethnic immigration into Western societies. And, regarding the metaphysical uniqueness of the Holocaust, it would be hard to improve on Abe Foxman’s comment, cited by Novick (p. 199) that the Holocaust is “not simply one example of genocide but a near successful attempt on the life of God’s chosen children and, thus, on God himself.”

Atzmon makes the interesting point that the Holocaust religion is simply another version of age-old Jewish fear — the pre-traumatic stress syndrome discussed above. It is a bunker mentality of impending doom that rationalizes even the most extreme actions to prevent  it. One might also note that it functions as a modern version of Jewish chosenness — that Jews are a special people whose sufferings are unique.

Atzmon is not so much a Holocaust denier as someone who denies the metaphysical status that the Holocaust has achieved—its uniqueness, its being beyond questioning, and its historical transcendence—all of which have made it into an enormously powerful weapon for achieving Jewish interests and in particular for making Israel’s behavior beyond reproach. Thus, he does not deny that his great-grandmother died in WWII, but he refuses to give her death any special status: Her death “was indeed bad and tragic, but not that different from the fate of millions of Ukrainians, on learning the real meaning of communism. … [Her fate] was not so different from hundreds of thousands of German civilians who died in deliberate, indiscriminate bombing, just because they were Germans” (p. 175).

Famously (due to its being quoted in a hit piece by former IDF prison guard now Zionist media hack Jeffrey Goldberg), Atzmon writes the following, with differences in Goldberg’s version in red:

I think that 65 years after the liberation of Auschwitz, we must be entitled to start asking questions [to ask the necessary questions]. We should ask for [some conclusive] historical evidence and arguments rather than follow a religious narrative that is sustained by political pressure and laws. We should strip the Holocaust [holocaust] of its Judeo-centric exceptional status and treat it as an historical chapter that belongs to a certain time and place.

Adding the word ‘conclusive’ seems particularly malicious. Goldberg’s real aim in quoting this passage and several others is to tarnish John Mearsheimer who endorsed Atzmon’s book. Atzmon therefore becomes a pawn in the larger game of de-legitimizing the most effective critique thus far of the Israel Lobby—effective because Mearsheimer and his co-author Stephen Walt are elite academics in the area of foreign policy. If Mearsheimer had not provided this opening, Atzmon’s book would doubtless have gotten the silent treatment—a very common and effective Jewish strategy in dealing with uncomfortable realities.

Immediately after the above passage, Atzmon truly crosses the line—to go where few, if any, Jews dare to go:

65 years after the liberation of Auschwitz we should be able to ask — why? Why were the Jews hated? Why did European people stand up against their neighbors? Why are the Jews hated in the Middle East, surely they had a chance to open a new page in their troubled history. … Why did America tighten its immigration laws amid the growing danger to European Jews? We should also ask what purpose Holocaust denial laws serve? What is the Holocaust religion there to conceal? As long as we fail to ask questions, we will be subjected to Zionist lobbies and their plots. We will continue killing in the name of Jewish suffering. (pp. 175–176)

The question why Jews have been hated in so many times and places is indeed the fundamental question one has to ask. Atzmon merely poses the question without any attempting to provide a theory for understanding historical anti-Semitism. (My version is that all the important historical outbreaks of anti-Semitism are due ultimately to real conflicts of interest.) But he is quite clear that the ideology that anti-Semitism is an “’irrational’ social phenomenon that erupts ‘out of nowhere’” is a non-starter, since it implies that a very large percentage of the human population is “potentially mad” (p. 182).

The closest Atzmon comes to answering the question is to ask another one: “Can Israeli behavior throw light on the events that led to the Holocaust, or other instances of persecution of Jews?” (p. 182). Again, he doesn’t really try to answer this question, but I will give it a shot. Historical anti-Semitism involves a variety of conflicts of interest (e.g., loyalty issues, economic domination, and, since the Enlightenment, the construction of culture), and here there is the obvious conflict between the legitimate interests of the Palestinians in retaining control over an area they had settled for centuries.

However, another common denominator between important examples of historical anti-Semitism and the behavior of Israel is Jewish aggressiveness. From its beginnings in 1948, Israel has consistently pushed the envelope, beginning with the expulsion of the Palestinians, wars of territorial expansion, with some of the more nationalist elements in Israel openly advocating Jabotinsky’s call for a Jewish state extending from the Nile to the Euphrates, thereby fulfilling God’s promise in Genesis. There is also the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank, the erection of an apartheid state, and the constant beating of the war drums, first against Iraq and now against Iran.

Similarly, beginning with the Enlightenment, Jews have aggressively sought to refashion European societies to suit their interests. Atzmon asks why America closed its doors to further mass Jewish immigration with the Immigration Law of 1924. The reason is simple: Jewish immigrants were prone to leftist political radicalism bent on reshaping the entire society in ways that were foreign to traditional American culture. The organized Jewish community had already launched successful campaigns to get Christianity out of the public square facilitated by Jewish economic success in the big cities. There was also deep concern about the effects on public morals of Jewish control of the movie industry. (These are all themes of Henry Ford’s International Jew which was quite influential during this period.) In later decades Jewish groups would aggressively campaign for massive non-White immigration and they would aggressively establish alliances with non-White ethnic groups, both actions that will ultimately dispossess the traditional people and culture of America and force White Americans to confront a hostile non-White majority, doubtless dominated by the organized Jewish community. Such actions are quite different, for example, from the behavior of Overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia: remaining in the background and content to form a business elite with little involvement in politics or the construction of culture.

To conclude, Atzmon has written a daring book and one that is sure to result in his being ostracized by the Jewish community. While he has a few blinders of his own, the book is an invaluable account by someone who clearly understands the main symptoms of Jewish pathology.

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200 Comments to "A Dissident Meditation on Jewish Identity: A Review of Gilad Atzmon’s “The Wandering Who?”"

  1. thomas mallon's Gravatar thomas mallon
    November 9, 2011 - 1:02 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: “Tradition may be defined as an extension of the franchise. Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about.”—G.K. Chesterton

    The Jews live their tradition and bond with it. The goy foolishly pretend the world began in 1776 or 1789 or, with the goy socialists, tomorrow.

  2. thomas mallon's Gravatar thomas mallon
    November 9, 2011 - 12:55 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein: Mr, Goldstein writes, “How smart can we be when we traded one Israeli prisoner for hundreds (actually, over one thousand) of terrorists recently?”

    It’s the wrong question. The right one is how many palestinians in a certain situation are worth the life of one Jew? It is akin to Gaza writ in another context. I think the Jews admirably take care of their own. If it were not at the expnse of the rest of us so often there would be no problems. But its as prof. McDonald highlighted in the review, alas, we can only be suspicious of Jews speaking about universals (given so much history) over Jewish interests.

  3. thomas mallon's Gravatar thomas mallon
    November 9, 2011 - 12:48 pm | Permalink

    A masterful review of an important book. Thank you Prof. McDonald.

  4. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    October 19, 2011 - 9:52 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: How smart can we be when we traded one Israeli prisoner for hundreds (actually, over one thousand) of terrorists recently?

  5. omop's Gravatar omop
    October 17, 2011 - 9:47 am | Permalink

    More selective amnesia…. the Edict of King Edward 1.
    On 18 July 1290 every professing Jew in England was ordered out of the Realm, for ever, by King Edward I. Between sixteen and seventeen thousand Jews had to flee, and none dared return until four hundred years later

    The Edict of Expulsion of 1290

    A catalogue of recorded history surrounding Jewry under Angevin Kings of England, leading up to the Edict of Expulsion by King Edward I

    Geoffrey H. Smith and Arnold S. Leese [wikipedia].

  6. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 16, 2011 - 4:14 pm | Permalink

    @ Mickey meadows: I agree that “the better theory of higher Ashkenazi IQ would be the known encouragement of eugenic practices.” I dealt with this in a previous post. Ashkenazi eugenic practices, for twenty five hundred years were based on the mastery of the arcane, legalistic labrynth that is the talmud, and it’s predicessor, the oral “Traditions of the elders”. This developed a high intelligence that, apparently is very limited in scope. As Lasha Darkmoon has pointed out, Jews are dismally low in visual, spatial intelligence. They lack capacity to visualize which is the first step in the creative process. Once they steal an idea they are great at exploiting it. But dreaming it up in the first place, does not seem to be a strong point with them. Our latest thieving genius and billionare Jew, Mark Zukerberg, of facebook is a good case in point. Zukie’s headquarters has no opaque walls, everything is glass, and every surface that can be tinted is some variant of blue. The place looks like the interior of an ice glacier. This is because Emperor Zukie is color blind. He sees only the blue band of the color spectrum. Visual weakness and lack of imagination, and the creativity that accompanies it, I also ascribe to the practice of eugenics. Talmudic stricture on the creation of images is very strong, and must have left this area of brain training barren. There are big chinks in their armor.

  7. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 16, 2011 - 2:46 pm | Permalink

    @ Jason speaks: The first precept of war is to “know your enemy.” To brush off Jewish attachment to a piece of rocky real estate, and the ancient documents that provide the rationale for that attachment as “looney”, is counterproductive. A knowledge of those ancient documents provides insight into that rationale, and exposes precious fallacies and outright lies that Jews have nurtured and retailed for centuries. Expose one of those lies or fallacies, and watch them come out of the woodwork to defend it; lay down cover fire, kick up a ruckus, a dust up. Thus you have opened one more opportunity to identify them, to study them, to Know your enemy. To be willfully ignorant of religious literature in this war, is grave error.

  8. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 15, 2011 - 12:51 pm | Permalink


    m_astera – I don’t have the skills/knowledge to be providing proof about such things. I accept ashkenazi Jews in Europe and the USA have higher mean IQ’s, because that is the information I receive from sources that I both trust and consider knowledgeable. For example, I trust KM and KM speaks of higher IQ in that group.
    But perhaps what you are really wondering is whether this means we are at a disadvantage? Absolutely not, because while whites are smart on average, their unique ability is in creativity and thinking outside the box, inventiveness and so on. The Orientals have always had higher IQ’s than us, yet we invented all the revolutions that have created the modern world.
    The other thing to consider is that Ashkenazim are just one section of the worldwide Jewish population. There are undoubtedly very smart genetic subsets of the worldwide White population as well. My personal idea is that the smarter White genetic subset accounts for the great majority of White accomplishment, and probably scores higher than any other group in IQ as well.
    There is some evidence for this. A recent paper of Europeans showed that people with higher IQ’s on average were genetically more closely related. This tends to support the idea of genetic sub-populations in the White people just as there are genetic sub-populations within the jewish people.
    Incidently, the average IQ of all Jews taken togeether is roughly the same as that of Whites.
    Here is a link to that paper:

  9. m_astera's Gravatar m_astera
    October 15, 2011 - 11:59 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: First of all, may we see the evidence for higher ashkenazi IQ?

  10. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 15, 2011 - 5:37 am | Permalink

    @Michael Santomauro: Michael, didn’t you state that American Jews marry non-Jews at an astounding rate of 40%? Do you have any statistics on that? I find that rate of intermarriage impossible to believe, although several knowledgeable posters have stated their is quite a bit of intermarriage.

    But that rate seems fantastic. If true, how could such a thing as Judaism survive more than a few generations? If anyone has any hard evidence one way or the other, I would be interested. Thanks

  11. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 15, 2011 - 5:33 am | Permalink

    @3D: Actually though, I’m not being completely serious. It would have been hard for Jews to settle in Papua New Guinea or some far away place (although perhaps not for the more sturdy offspring of the Aryan races which settled all over the world).

    I’m sure the leaders needed a territory that most Jews would feel some sentiment towards. But I do find the fetish they (and Muslims) have made over certain landmarks loony.

  12. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 15, 2011 - 5:30 am | Permalink

    @Norman Elliott:

    As KM repeatedly mentions, the Khazar theory is contradicted by physical genetics. This matter needs to be addressed.

    The better theory of the higher Ashkenazi IQ would be the known encouragement of eugenic practices, as mentioned by Lynn in his recent book “the

  13. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 15, 2011 - 4:28 am | Permalink

    @3D: You may believe that “modern day Israelis can’t base their claims on some book from 4,000 years ago” but THEY believe they can, and they act upon it.

    Oh yes, you are absolutely right that they believe it. I’m just not sure it is rational on their part. In fact, most of us would say putting your own children’s lives at risk based on a 4,000 year old text is lunacy. I’m saying I think Jews are stupid to be obsessed with Israel the way they are. I understand that they are, and it creates problems for everyone, but I still think they are dumb for this obsession.

  14. m_astera's Gravatar m_astera
    October 15, 2011 - 3:16 am | Permalink

    I don’t get the chance to read OO that often, but always enjoy the comments. Last time I left one a few weeks ago it was on the same topic, the supposed superior intelligence of Jews. Above we have the statement that Ashkhenazi Jews score one standard deviation higher in IQ than the average white. Could I ask for some evidence to support that claim? Evidence from a non-Jewish source?

    I have known a lot of Jews, and have never seen the slightest indication of intellectual superiority in them. Quite the contrary. They may have been told by their families that they are smarter; many may even believe it themselves, but I have seen no test evidence to back it up and personal experience tells me it just isn’t so.

  15. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 11, 2011 - 2:20 pm | Permalink

    @ Jason speaks: You may believe that “modern day Israelis can’t base their claims on some book from 4,000 years ago” but THEY believe they can, and they act upon it.

  16. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 11, 2011 - 12:54 pm | Permalink

    @Norman Elliott:
    Two remarks on your Khazar theory.You say the Ashkenazi Jews had no artisan class,but they did have artisans such as cobblers and carpenters.Golda Meir’s father (an Ukrainian Jew) for example was a carpenter.

    As for the Ashkenazi being descendents of Khazar noblemen and therefore also taxcollectors,Jews were already taxcollectors before Christ in Ptolomaeic Egypt.In the sand of Egypt many pieces of papyrus have been found containing letters of ordinary citizens from the Ptolomaeic era.Some of them contain complaints about Jewish taxcollectors.

    We have to seek the reason why Jews are so often in taxcollecting not in historical circumstances but rather in their mentality.A parasitical mind set offers a better explanation than descendance from taxcollecting Khazar noblemen.

  17. October 11, 2011 - 10:42 am | Permalink

    7 Arrested For Alleged SAT Cheating Ring At Great Neck North High School


    Seven former and current students of a prestigious Long Island high school were arrested Tuesday in an alleged SAT cheating ring.

    Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice announced that six Great Neck North High School students had paid 19-year-old Samuel Eshaghoff thousands of dollars to take the SAT for them.



    Michael Santomauro

  18. Norman Elliott's Gravatar Norman Elliott
    October 11, 2011 - 10:08 am | Permalink

    Mr MacDonald discounts the Khazar conversion as the origins of the Ashkenazim Jews. I would only contend that if one accepts the Khazar conversion as the genesis of this remarkable people, it can explain the otherwise inexplicable.
    Who, what are the Jews? The Khazar Conversion

    The Jews are not an organic people. By that I mean that this is not a people, an ethic group that occurred naturally in history. Jews, Ashkenazi Jews have no peasant, no artisan class of people.

    Who grew their food? Who built their houses?

    Ashkenazi Jews, on the average, test one standard deviation higher on the IQ scale than the average Gentile. Jews on the average are more driven and ambitious than the average Gentile.

    How did this come to be?

    Around or about the year 750, in a country located in the South of present day Russia, the land of Khazaria, the King pondered the state of his realm and came to the conclusion that his country should adopt one of the ascendant monotheistic religions.

    After due consideration it was decided that the land of Khazar would adopt or convert to Judaism. Many Rabbis were called on to oversee the conversion.

    But, alas, it became apparent that not everyone could be converted to Judaism for the holy Judaic texts were complex and extensive. Only the literate and numerate could acquire the knowledge to become competent in the theology of Judaism.

    From there it became apparent that, in as much as only the nobility of the country were literate and numerate, that it would be the nobility of the country that would convert to Judaism.

    And so it was. It is recorded that some 4000 of the noblemen, the ruling class of Khazar converted to Judaism.

    Now, at this point it is requisite that we apply some common sense assessment of just what this constituted, and how it would have redounded and manifestly how that has played out over the
    intervening centuries.

    This selecting of the elite, of the educated and successful of this society, constituted an artificial selection of the most intelligent and of the most driven or ambitious people of this society.

    We can now presume that under the chauvinism and the dogma of Judaism that this select group of people was knit over the subsequent decades and centuries into a virtual ethnic group.

    After some several decades the country was defeated and broken apart, but this religious group held together.

    This theory answers the question of why there is no peasant or artisan class among the Ashkenazi Jews. It also answers the question of why or how is it that Ashkenazi Jews test so much higher on the IQ scale than any other ethnic group.

    There is one more question that begs an answer. Why anti-Semitism? Why has the Gentile world so uniformly responded negatively to the Jewish personae?

    What is anti-Semitism? The term has been thrown around so prolifically lately that the cutesy response has become, an anti-Semite is someone whom the Jews hate.

    But, seriously, an anti-Semite is someone who has been exposed to Jews, probably in a disadvantaged situation and has reacted negatively to their personae. In his mind he probably finds them to be guileful, petty, inconsiderate and demanding. He will probably feel in all too many cases, that he has been victimized by them.

    Yes, there is something about the Jewish personae and I conjecture: Let’s look at just one of the characteristics of a Kingship in this pre-Magna Charta era. The IRS. The internal revenue service. The tax collector.

    Then, as now, this would be the most high handed of all the Government Agencies. More, it would be substantially more labor intensive than today’s IRS. Of all the King’s men, this would be the
    largest grouping of educated elite functionaries.

    In that day they had not the advantage of computers and data bases. It would have been a hands on business. The tax collector was steely eyed, and uncompromising. He was corrupt and he knew the business of the subjects. He was not judged on how well liked he was. He was judged on how much money he collected for the king.

    The tax collector would have at his beck and call, all the power of the King’s Horsemen. He would be bold and unhesitating in the use of that power of coercion.

    What kinds of personal characteristics would best serve this functionary, the tax collector?

    Compassionate? No! Dispassionate? Yes. Humble? No. Demanding? Yes. Humane? No. Inhumane? Yes.

    So yes, I am concluding that the largest segment of this Khazar people that converted to Judaism were in fact tax collectors. In fact, even after the State of Khazar collapsed, history reflects that tax collector was a profession which Jews seem to have gravitated to.

    Yes, I am postulating that a sizable segment of the Khazars who converted to Judaism were tax collectors and that they brought with them the genetic coding that so advantaged them in that despised cold cruel profession.

    This is a working theory which explains and answers otherwise unanswerable questions. With this snapshot of the genesis of this remarkable and elite people, the Ashkenazim Jews, it becomes reasonable and understandable, even to be expected that they would excel in finance.

    Even too, as this was virtually the Government of that long ago land of Khazar, it is become understandable, that this virtual people, knit together by the chauvinism and the dogma of Judaism, would organize themselves into a virtual state within a state and that they would act in their own perceived best interest.

    The advantages and possibilities of such an organized cohesive intellectually advantaged driven people are on display today. They are adept at the manipulation of people and governments.

    Dare one even say, control? elliott438@att.net

  19. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 11, 2011 - 2:17 am | Permalink

    @omop: I had to look up Eretz Israel to see what it means. If I understand it, it justified nothing. No more than the claim of some Native American tribe to retake Manhattan (although I’d be happy to give it to them given its current composition).

    But no, modern day Israelis can’t base their claims on some book from 4,000 years ago. It should have zero legal standing.

  20. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 11, 2011 - 1:08 am | Permalink

    @ Abe Goldstein: Amen. I hope that you are sincere in that.

  21. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    October 10, 2011 - 9:06 pm | Permalink

    @3D: I did not do anything unusual for Yom Kippur.
    I am a racist and would not support Jews or others who favor unlimited 3rd world immigration. Anyone in favor of third world immigration probably thinks he is being kind to the immigrants without realizing he is destroying the United States.

  22. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 10, 2011 - 1:57 pm | Permalink

    @ Abe Goldstein: If you are uncomfortable working or living around West Indian or Jamaican blacks, I will remind or inform you that the agitation for unlimited immigration from the third world to America has been, going back to 1880 and culminating in the disasterous immigration law of 1965, a Jewish priority project. This is not a racist site, but it is an honest one.

  23. Quentin Nickels's Gravatar Quentin Nickels
    October 10, 2011 - 12:09 pm | Permalink

    @Sunshine: The Nobel Prizes are nothing more than the result of jews systematically excluding whites from higher education in higher and higher numbers, along with hindering their research by tightening the pursestrings when it comes to whites and research. Simple as that. As for jews stealing the ideas and work of others? That’s something that’s innate in jewish behavior.

  24. omop's Gravatar omop
    October 10, 2011 - 10:19 am | Permalink

    Selective amnesia or new speak by @ Jason sepaks.
    ” I suspect attempting to assign moral blame or suspicion to a modern day population for what their religion wrote three or four thousand years ago will fall rather flat”

    What then constituted the “justifcations/selling” and creation of Eretz Israel then?

  25. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 10, 2011 - 3:25 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: As i understand it, today’s Talmud is based on an oral tradition which began during the Babylonian captivity of Judah, beginning in 586 BC, and was known as the “traditions Of The Elders.” After the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, the Pharisees and Scribes took their traditions back to babylon where they debated them for the next one hundred thirty years. the end result of all this cogitation was the written codification of the seven hundred year old “Traditions Of The Elders”, and is called MISHNA. A few more centuries of legalistic nit-picking produced a second half, and is called GEMARA. Together they are called TALMUD. This set of books is the Judaic adaptation of ancient Chaldean Paganism. The TALMUD is the actual nullification of the Old Testament, while still claiming it’s authority. Twenty five hundred years of intensive eugenics focused on mastery of it’s labyrinth of legalistic intricacies, produced a general mind and personality that is interesting, to say the least, and goes a long way in explaining the behavior of Jews in the last century.

  26. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 10, 2011 - 1:07 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: Good point, that makes it around 1500 years old and it is still taught to this day among religious Jews. That probably makes it more relevant to modern Jewish behavior. I’d still say that examinations of Jewish behavior over the last century have more impact, though.

    I just know that people consider most religions to have been rather strange prior to a few hundred years ago, and tend to be rather forgiving of what is now viewed as “primitive” or “medieval” thinking. Maybe the Puritans are a good example of how to look at this. No one would blame modern day Yankees for whatever atrocious beliefs New Englanders held, however, if you can show that it was an expression of a culture that still exists, but has taken a new form, then it does have an impact.

  27. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 10, 2011 - 12:38 am | Permalink

    @ Abe Goldman: Are any of your close friends observant? Did you or they take part in the Yom Kippur Rites this month?

  28. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 10, 2011 - 12:18 am | Permalink

    @ Franklin Ryckaert: More stealth. “Talmudic Chabad offers continuing education credit for missouri lawers. 17th conference on talmud and contemporary law, June 1, 2011. This event is sanctioned by the Missouri state Bar, and is accredited.

  29. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    October 9, 2011 - 11:44 pm | Permalink

    @3D: Not really, I am more of a secularist, with a bit of nostalgia thrown in the mix. Once again, I was drawn to the site hoping for a more conventional distaste for West Indian/Jamaican style blacks than all the “dislike” of the Jewish people.
    Thanks to the gentleman who felt I might make it to righteous Jew status.

  30. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 9, 2011 - 10:24 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    …attempting to assign moral blame to a modern day population for what their religion wrote three to four thousand years ago will fall rather flat.

    Abraham – if he really existed – is estimated to have lived around 1750 BC.King David and Salomon – if they really existed – must have lived around 1000 BC.The Talmud was created between 200 AD and 500 AD in Babylon.By religious Jews it is still considerd as the supreme law and it is studied to this very day in yeshivas (Jewish religious schools).Though secular Jews may never have read the Talmud,its culture of cunning,deceit and double ethnic standards permeates Jewry to this very day.As such it makes sense to quote from it.

  31. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 9, 2011 - 9:54 pm | Permalink

    I know about the attempt of the Lubavitcher Movement to convert Gentiles to Noahides,i.e. those who promise to follow the 7 Noahide Laws,as contrasted with the Jews who follow 613 Talmudic Laws.This is clearly an attempt to subjugate us psychologically by having us accept our moral inferiority as compared with the Jews.

    There is now in the US an artificially created hysteria about the so called introduction by stealth of the Sharia by Moslims,while in fact such a thing has already been done by the Jews with their introduction by stealth of Talmudic Law in 1991 as you indicated.This act is Jewish stealth,cunning, hypocrisy and supremacism combined.

    The term “righteous among the Gentiles” is actually denigrating,it implies the collective moral inferiority of us Gentiles,compared to which “righteous Gentiles” are rare exceptions.I used the term “righteous Jew” in the same sense facetiously.

    @ Omop,thanks for the link.

    @ Abe Goldstein,with your repudiation of those immoral Talmudic statements you have a fair chance to become designated henceforth as a “righteous Jew”.

  32. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 9, 2011 - 9:27 pm | Permalink

    @omop: I’m sure all the quotes are accurate. However, most early ethno-religions privileged their own members at the expense of non-members. What is more interesting is that Judaism, an example of an early tribal religion, has survived into the modern world.

    For the purpose of persuading people, I suspect attempting to assign moral blame or suspicion to a modern day population for what their religion wrote three or four thousand years ago will fall rather flat. More potent, would be the analysis that people like Dr. MacDonald or John Mearsheimer have done.

    One reading of the Israel Lobby or Culture of Critique will do more to wise up people to the Jewish dimension of power than talk of the Talmud alone.

  33. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 9, 2011 - 7:35 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: “saving Jewish lives” is merely a cover definition for the phrase “righteous among the Gentiles”. In the deeper and truer sense it refers to the Seven Noahide Laws. These Talmudic laws were enshrined in united states law as “Public Law 102-14″, 102nd Congress, designated march 26, 1991 as “National Education day”. These laws apply to gentiles only, and each carries a potential penalty of death by beheading.

  34. omop's Gravatar omop
    October 9, 2011 - 6:19 pm | Permalink
  35. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 9, 2011 - 6:10 pm | Permalink

    @ Abe Goldstein: Are you observant?

  36. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    October 9, 2011 - 4:33 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: If those Talmudic statements are indeed geniune, I repudiate them. I have never read the Talmud.

  37. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    October 9, 2011 - 4:29 pm | Permalink

    @3D: I don’t like those screechers anymore than you do – but if men had been men, rather than a bunch of pussies like we have all become (well, most of us) – then white men, and I of course include my fellow white Jewish tribesmen, would still be in the rightful place God intended us to be – in charge of society and families. If men had never given the women the vote, we would be better off!
    Get your white women back to their homes, and you guys will rule the world. Without the support of a loving wife, a man’s life can be quite unpleasant.

  38. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 9, 2011 - 3:55 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:
    Dear Mr.Goldstein,you know they have in Israel the designation “righteous among the Gentiles” for non-Jews who have saved Jewish lives during WW2. Similarily we WN have the designation “righteous among the Jews” for Jews such as Gilad Atzmon or Brother Nathanael who criticize the immoral mentality and behaviour of the Jews.If you like to be counted among the “righteous Jews” please react to the Talmud quotes by Omop at october 9, 2011 – 1:51 pm.
    Thank you.

  39. omop's Gravatar omop
    October 9, 2011 - 1:51 pm | Permalink

    The following will be quite plain and to the point for some and “antisemitic” for some others:

    * “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)

    * “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)

    * “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

    * What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

    * “Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)

    * “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)

    * “Girls born of the ‘goyim’ are in a state of ‘niddah’ (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth.” (Abodah Zarah 36b)

    * “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)

    * “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)

    * “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)

    * “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)

    * “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)

    * “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)

    [’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]

    * Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)

    * “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)

    * “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)

    * “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)

    * “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)

    Enough stated by those who count!.

  40. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 9, 2011 - 10:31 am | Permalink

    artdecoration, or whatever, go bark at the next wall.

  41. October 9, 2011 - 8:15 am | Permalink

    Gilad Atzmon’s observations and findings reinforce my basic opinion of Jewish nationalistm (Zionism): that it is not evil or harmful to other nations per se; it’s just that the Jews have gone about it entirely the wrong way (i.e., in a way that makes their interests conflict with the group interests of other nations, for example, how the Israeli Lobby funnels billions of our tax dollars to Israel while it practices the worst sort of partisan politics against those deemed to be anti-Israeli).

  42. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 9, 2011 - 8:02 am | Permalink

    There is an interesting critique on Atzmon’s book by Israel Shamir on thetruthseeker.co.uk/ ,october 9,2011 called “Wondering about Wandering Who”.

  43. Tyron Parsons's Gravatar Tyron Parsons
    October 9, 2011 - 12:25 am | Permalink

    Mr Stone,

    More slanders for lack of intellgent retort? And you accuse me of being likened to the ADL? That is very funny in light of you refusing to answer my simple and scientifically valid question for a 3rd time pertaining the “Jews” need of having a control sample from Jacob-12 tribes, in order to establish any valid scientific genetic claim to the religious identity they lied to the world about. Want to go for 4 times? Come on Mr Frank Edwin Stone, answer the question! I’ll bet you duck it a 4th time. Any takers?.. :)

  44. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    October 9, 2011 - 12:19 am | Permalink

    @Frank Edwin Stone: Am I too, to be described as, “you may be mentally unbalanced.”? because I think you’re a conceited loud mouth in love with the sound of your own voice?

    Step back, buddy – take a deep breath – you’re close to becoming an a–hole.

  45. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 8, 2011 - 11:59 pm | Permalink

    @Tyron Parsons:
    Since you are unable to even stick to the subject matter and spout mindless gibberish, you may be mentally unbalanced.
    You need to find a good Jewish shrink.

  46. Tyron Parsons's Gravatar Tyron Parsons
    October 8, 2011 - 11:56 pm | Permalink

    Mr Stone,

    As a side note; why do you think the likes of the noble Kevin MacDonald are so frustrated with the Christian communities in America and abroad? He can’t get them to believe simple factual information. People like him wonder why. I will tell you and others why Mr Stone. It is simply this: if any information hits the majority of Christians through out the world that contradicts in any way the Jewish Zionist external programming that proclaims 1) the Jews are the Chosen people of “God”. 2) The Jews are 12 tribes of Israel from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, they will not believe it outright! The question is, why is this? My question that you keep ducking is central to that cause.

    The two lies Christians believe as I listed them above Mr Stone, render most Christians completely impotent when they are confronted with the truth about Zionism, the “Jews”, their influence on America and the world. For most any Christian to believe the truths he and others speak, would mean the two things above are totally false, and this would mean there really is a massive conspiracy. It would mean they have been lied to by those they trusted the most.This is why, Mr Stone, others run into a “stone” road block with what seems like some weird neurosis when approaching Christians with facts about the “Jews”.

  47. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    October 8, 2011 - 11:52 pm | Permalink

    @3D: Luv your comment, 3D.

  48. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 8, 2011 - 11:31 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein: “The female role of mother as binder of the family is no longer valued by most whites” thanks to the feminist screechings of JEWISH female activists like Gloria Steinem and her posse during the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s. The Goy Girls are on a roll now, and no longer really need the constant mentorship of revolutionary Jewish Valkyries, but I am sure there are a few, strategically placed at quiet power points, to see that the Cow Gals don’t stray to far from the appointed path to White Purdition.

  49. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    October 8, 2011 - 11:26 pm | Permalink

    @Frank Edwin Stone: “I am truly amazed at some of the creatures that lurk around here.”

    Well then, thank gawd for creatures like you, Mr. Frank Edwin Stone!

    You know everything about everybody! …and can protect us from ourselves!

    And as you know we ALL need direction from knowledgeable and informed people like you or else we’d be led astray…

  50. Tyron Parsons's Gravatar Tyron Parsons
    October 8, 2011 - 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Mr Stone

    Your idea of “blunt and honest” is your hubirs wrapped up in your venom. Nice try to deflect attention away from my question to you about the Jews needing a sample of Jacob or his 12 children to back up their “scienfitically” based religious claims Mr Stone, but I and others will not fall for it. If you do not think that seminaries and religious univerities, institutions and Churches- TV and Media of all sorts don’t teach the that the “Jews” are Israel (Israel is jacob, the 12 tribes); if you don’t think this Jewish fable is not pumped into everyone in America, Europe and all the white nations formerly Christian nations, then your more dislusional than I thought. Simply put mr Stone, pick one, it teaches it.

    You can keep calling me hypocritical names, but that doesn’t change the truth of who or what I am ,which is not what you proclaim. I thought your “education level” was superior enough to realize that if one is making a genetic claim to a paticular people (religious or not) they must have a control sample from that stock to make it valid. Or didn’t they teach that in your in High School? You have ducked this all important question more than once, you want to go far three time? I’m betting you will.

  51. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    October 8, 2011 - 10:18 pm | Permalink

    @Sunshine: Hey Sunshine, would that be the same Nobel board that awarded the Peace prize to Mr. Obama?

  52. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 8, 2011 - 9:08 pm | Permalink

    @Tyron Parsons:
    My rhetoric may be harsh , but I am blunt and honest.
    A scientific, scholarly website does not fit your educational level.
    You response seems to confirm my harsh judgement.
    You employ the same dishonest tactics as the ADL: cut and paste leaving out crucial information.

    Examples of dishonesty:

    ” Expecting religious institutions to teach you the history of the white race? “What planet did you come from?”

    “They teach the history of the Asian races in Asian nations. They teach the supposed history of the “Jews” in “Israel”,America, in Europe and every other white based nation. ”

    That is a flat out lie. Can you please let us all know which Christian religious institution does the above?
    Christianity by definition is non-racial and anti-racial and all its source of “knowledge” derives from the Jewish Scriptures.

    ADL type dishonesty:

    “You labeled me Christian Identity. That is out of your mouth, not mine.”
    Oh really? Do you suffer from Alzheimer’s?
    If not, do you have a grasp of the meaning of English words laced together in whole sentences?

    Did you not post the following?
    ““After the dispursion of the northern tribes around 721 BC by the Assyrians, they broke away and crossed through the Caucasus Mountains before they spilled into Europe later forming the Christian nations.”

    That is the pure essence of the Christian Identity insanity.
    You said it not me.

    Abe Foxman may have a job for you, in case you become unemployed.

  53. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    October 8, 2011 - 9:00 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: You are correct – many of my friends bemoan the non jewish nature of their grandchildren, who in some cases are 1/4 jewish and essentially irreligious. They envy me and my insistence on jewish spouses for my kids, and their kids are thankfully full breeds. Jewish, but white like you presumably are – the white part, that is.
    Maybe you should think of us like many do the Mormons – not quite religiously pure, but productive white folks.
    Second, it is my opinion that Jews are not really your true problem. The true problem is the female role of mother and binder of the family is no longer valued among most whites. If you could reacquaint mothers with the joy of family, and leave the outside world of work to the men, everyone would be happier. The men would have jobs that are meaningful to them, and the women would have a job most meaningful to them-taking care of the home and kids.

  54. Tyron Parsons's Gravatar Tyron Parsons
    October 8, 2011 - 8:36 pm | Permalink

    @ Jason,

    Coming from a person whose first Daughter is from a “Jewish”/Gentile union, I can say almost as a matter of fact that much of the success that Jewish identity has had toward being transferred to the offspring of mixed children is due to two things.1) The elimination of European /Christian cultural, spiritual and law based identity 2) Favoritism in the “legal system” toward women, with an almost pathological bias toward traditional European peoples, especially Christian when up against another identity grouping. This was instituted by the “Jews” of course. Identity, like all programming, is done in two ways. One is externally based. The other is internal (race/biology/genetics). It is my humble opinion that in due course the internal will win out against the “Jewish” control external influences on the masses.
    But as it stands today-like I’ve always said, “Who would it be that would have the most rights in de facto America? That would have to be a rich, black, Jewish, handicapped, Lesbian, Atheist, Communist, non American citizen. The white, able bodied, heterosexual ,Christian male.. has about none.” And by some reports, now “ugliness” and the “overweight” is to be added to the AA favorites list. What has happen to the Western World is nothing short of disgusting!

  55. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    October 8, 2011 - 8:23 pm | Permalink

    @Abe Fauxman: Thanks for the illuminating link, Abe.

  56. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 8, 2011 - 7:54 pm | Permalink

    @Frank Edwin Stone: Great examples, thanks. So it would seem somewhere between becoming one-fourth to one-eight Jewish, the “spell” of devotion to Jewish culture is broken.

  57. Tyron Parsons's Gravatar Tyron Parsons
    October 8, 2011 - 6:53 pm | Permalink

    @ Stone

    You said:
    “that is a shocking statement. The information is out there, even if it is not systematically taught in colleges due to political correctness. You need to go to and get some education.”

    Glad you agree it is not taught and the information not disseminated. Thanks for the admission.

    “Nobody will bring you knowledge.”

    Did I say they would bring correct knowledge? No, I didn’t, hence the problem with the masses understanding.

    “Your ignorance is breathtaking. Expecting religious institutions to teach you the history of the white race?”

    They teach the history of the Asian races in Asian nations. They teach the supposed history of the “Jews” in “Israel”,America, in Europe and every other white based nation. The Arabs all know they are from Ishmael and they teach that in their institutions. So what is so darn crazy about teaching true white history to the European peoples? Do we have no right to know our history? Are we not to have a truthfully based identity? Or is that to risky for the “Jews”. I say the former.

    “What planet did you come from?”

    Obviously the one that honors truth and accuracy which seems lacking on yours. Your petty attempts to belittle me through childish slanders for lack of intelligent retort are obvious. I’m not here to trade insults but rather to reason through rational, logical discourse. Grow up sir, people might listen to you more.

    “You are wrong: what it means to me is that ignorance (lack of knowledge/education) is so endemic and hard to eradicate among the masses that some of these ignoramuses find their way even unto a website run by a true scholar with a PhD.”

    Spoken like a person whose scared while suffering from a a double dose of hubris.

    “I would not have expected the Christian Identity morons to show up at this scientific website. Their rubbish is even worse than the Khazar theory, which has a historical kernel of truth.”

    You labeled me Christian Identity. That is out of your mouth, not mine. But regardless Mr Stone, you do not deny the FACT that the “Jews” claim is a theological claim and since this is the case, why are you here? If your unwilling to use science to either invalidate their biblical claim or establish it, your nothing more than canon fodder for the Zionists.

    “When I read this kind of garbage, I start to believe that the Talmudic Jews were right all along: many Goyim are simply cattle in human form.”

    When I read your hateful and boastful rhetoric, I have no doubt why the “Jews” made popular atheistic belief systems in the masses. In its extreme, it simply runs cover for their claims because most of academia is completely unable to refute them due to their lack of elementary biblical knowledge.

    Finally Mr Stone, if you can offer any evidence one way or the other on the “Jews” claim to the ME land, or something substantiating whom they say they are derived from (Abraham,Issac,Jacob), what pray tell can you offer anyone here? Simply put, tell all of us why it is so crazy to want the Jews to have a control sample from Jacob or his sons before they make these scientifically backed biblical claims! In other words, put your money where your big mouth is!

  58. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 8, 2011 - 6:40 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Jason,
    Helmut Schmidt, former German Chancellor is also one quarter Jewish.

    Reinhard Heydrich was one-quarter Jewish by blood. His nose was a Jewish nose, but otherwise his appearance was typically German.
    He was a fanatical Nazi, a true believer.

    Horst Mahler, currently serving a 12 year sentence for a free speech offense against the HolyHoax religion in National-Masochist Germany is one-eighth Jewish by descent.

    So much for behavior.

  59. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 8, 2011 - 6:29 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I would not argue with a word in your second paragraph. Yet especially in cases where a man and a woman, each a quarter or an eighth Jewish and utterly without a formed Western consciousness (or conscience for that matter), marry and have children—a frequent phenomenon in NYC and other big cities, where their numbers are legion, particularly among the well-off—the pressure nowadays to “go home” to their Jewishness can be irresistible, not least because the social and professional rewards for doing so can be notable and the price to be paid is . . . is . . . well, there isn’t any, is there?

    Thus, nurture implants a backbone in a spineless nature, and for our foes’ purposes, who cares whether it makes the implant recipient look, at least figuratively, like Dr. Frankenstein’s assistant? After all, in a subset of society where someone with the face of a Bella Abzug or an Elena Kagan has little trouble getting a date, let alone a husband, what matters a little physical or moral ugliness?

  60. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 8, 2011 - 5:38 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Thank you, this is just fascinating. I am not around enough Jews to see these patterns of intermarriage. Their children, being half-Jewish (genetically) seem to remain loyal to the Jewish way of thinking, being acculturated into the Jewish way of life – its sensibilities and values.

    But to the extent these traits are genetic, it would sure seem likely that once their further offspring become 1/4th and later 1/8th Jewish, there would be some diminishment of what we call typical Jewish behavior.

  61. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 8, 2011 - 5:07 pm | Permalink

    @Tyron Parsons:
    “Does academia, especially the religions institutions, make any almost attempt to show who was of the white races around 2000- 3000 or so years ago? Very little if at all.”

    that is a shocking statement. The information is out there, even if it is not systematically taught in colleges due to political correctness. You need to go to and get some education.
    Nobody will bring you knowledge. Your ignorance is breathtaking. Expecting religious institutions to teach you the history of the white race? What planet did you come from?

    “After the dispursion of the northern tribes around 721 BC by the Assyrians, they broke away and crossed through the Caucasus Mountains before they spilled into Europe later forming the Christian nations. Again, this may mean nothing to people like you”

    You are wrong: what it means to me is that ignorance (lack of knowledge/education) is so endemic and hard to eradicate among the masses that some of these ignoramuses find their way even unto a website run by a true scholar with a PhD.

    I would not have expected the Christian Identity morons to show up at this scientific website. Their rubbish is even worse than the Khazar theory, which has a historical kernel of truth.

    When I read this kind of garbage, I start to believe that the Talmudic Jews were right all along: many Goyim are simply cattle in human form.

  62. Tyron Parsons's Gravatar Tyron Parsons
    October 8, 2011 - 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Mr Stone.

    Whether you believe the biblical lineage claims or not is completely immaterial to the issues at hand concerning the “Jews”. Hundreds of millions of people do and the Jews are playing off of that by claiming that:1) They come from the line of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. 2) This entitles them to the land in the ME because they are Israel/Judah; the 12 tribes of Israel.Both claims are utterly false! Most people, and yes even Christians, do not know the bible that well. It is because of this that Judaism was able to trick regular Christians into allowing them to do all that they have thus far. I can’t back up this next statment scientifically, although there is loads of other evidence to suggest it validity. To back up any of these physical claims scientifically such as whose Israel and Judah would take control samples from one of the tombs of the patriarches of the 12 tribes. Since no one will allow a control sample to be tested, we must rely on the historical record to establish who did what and when. If one looks at the historical/archeological and linguistic records of Europeans through a biblical lens, suddenly the biblical claim becomes clear to Christians and this sir, is the worst thing that could have happen to the Jewish Zionist movement.

    Just so you understand, the lines originally come from Adam, to Noah, to Shem (the word semite comes from here). Ham and also Japeth lineage is listed but from this point out the bible concentrates on Shems lineage which goes to Abraham. If you look at Japeths lineage in Genesis 10:2-3 you will see two things.1) Ashkenaz is listed.2) Magog is also listed. Now this might not mean anything to the non biblically minded, but it has profound ramification toward Christians when understanding whom some of these people are among those who claim to be “Jews”.

    I believe history bares out, as does the biblical record, that Ham is the father of the African races, Japeth the Asiatic, and the white aces are from Shem. I know this claim will make some go crazy, but I ask you, do the biblically minded have even a clue where the whites come from? Does academia, especially the religions institutions, make any almost attempt to show who was of the white races around 2000- 3000 or so years ago? Very little if at all.

    There is reason this information is not all that available. That reason is, if people understood this history, the claims of the “Jews” would go straight down the toilet. Recently there was a study that showed that Western European peoples had a large amounts of Egyptian DNA. Something akin to 80% matches for those from England, decreasing closer to about 50% as it moved eastward toward Germany. Information like this does not suprise me one bit. Why? Because the Israelites (Judah/Israel) mixed with the Egytpians before they formed the old Kingdom of Israel in Palistine. After the dispursion of the northern tribes around 721 BC by the Assyrians, they broke away and crossed through the Caucasus Mountains before they spilled into Europe later forming the Christian nations. Again, this may mean nothing to people like you, but if Christians ever became versed in information like this, their real identity would come back and they would suddenly see how they have been tricked by the “Jews”. How their birthrights and blessings are being stolen by a usuper, liar and thief. If Christians ever understood these things in even marginal numbers, things would begin to change quickly for the better, for everyone.

  63. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    October 8, 2011 - 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Herakles created the Straights of Gibraltar

    In contradistinction to the Queers of Gibraltar?

  64. Tyron Parsons's Gravatar Tyron Parsons
    October 8, 2011 - 11:34 am | Permalink

    The issue of the “Jews” control sample in their genetic tests is a valid scientific argument. For one to claim ones self a physical/ethnic Jew, carries all the religious implications with it.There is absolutely no way around it. The term itself is a religious term. Hence the question of the Jews genetics is exactly where science and religion’s rubber meet the road. They use these genetic studies to try and validate their claim as being from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but in reality, their root genetics, the one they tout, are from Abraham, Isaac and Esau which means that they have no valid physical argument for calling themselves Judah or Israel because both of those entities came physically from Jacob and not Esau.

    So in short, what we have is another case of the “Jews”(Esau) doing today to European/Christians in their nations and culture exactly what they did 2000 years ago in Judea to Israel/Judah; usurping them and becoming imposter’s of the originals who rightly should hold sway in their own by stealing their identities. Please review Dr Stephen Jones book “Struggle for the Birthright” to understand this better from a Paleo-Christian perspective. http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/books/birthright/index.cfm

  65. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 8, 2011 - 4:15 am | Permalink

    The speculations that you listed are of the kind that I would not wager two cents on. Sorry, I find that kind of thing to be primitive and medieval, without any logical or scientific basis.
    The same line of speculation held for the longest time that the white races are descended from Japhet, the Semites from Shem and the Negroes from Ham.
    Today people with even a minimum level of scientific knowledge find this laughable, on the same level as the belief that all mankind descended from Adam and Eve.
    Only the most ignorant and uneducated people would believe that baloney. It has the same scientific validity as the story that Herakles created the Straights of Gibraltar with his bare hands or that Jonah lived in the belly of a big fish for three days.

    These are great stories for kindergarten entertainment.

  66. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 8, 2011 - 3:29 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: What you write in critical skepticism makes intuitive sense, of course, but as one who lives in New York City (as Mr. Santomauro does, too), I can tell you that I have seen more mixed-“race” Jewish couples over the last forty years than I could even begin to count. In all save a literal handful of those couples, the attitudinally dominant partner—the one, irrespective of sex (or sexual persuasion), with the insistent (indeed, aggressive) loyalty to race, religion, ethnic identity, or even mere prejudice—has been the Jewish partner. That partner is the one who demands and gets his or her way on everything that matters to the larger society—our society—that is now so imperiled: the rearing and education/indoctrination of children; the choice of lifestyle, dwelling place, even livelihood; political attitudes and loyalties.

    I slightly know two nominally Christian men, both now approaching sixty and with sexy and interesting Jewish wives (at least that’s what the men thought when they married the women), who awakened only after their fiftieth birthday to the emptiness of their own existence and the narrowmindedness, vulgarity, and bigotry of the life they had allowed their spouses to confine them in and of the people they had allowed themselves to be limited to in their associations.

    Both men woke up far too late, however. Their wives had long since abandoned them, and their children, reared to be loyal only to the Tribe, had dropped them utterly once they (i.e., the kids) were old enough to no longer be bound by court-ordered visitation requirements. Need I add how brokenhearted they were at the loss of their children’s affection or how those children or the ex-wives gave not a damn about their pain and loss?

    These two guys, however, were the exceptions. My impression is that most such power-imbalanced relationships, whether normal or homosexual, continue as they begin. The number of Gentiles who feel flattered or privileged to be admitted to the exclusive world of Jewish power is, regrettably, very large, and it shows, I believe, no sign of shrinking at any time soon.

    It wasn’t always thus. When I was a boy, in the early fifties, and even when I was in college a decade later, I knew at least a dozen fellow Catholics one of whose parents was a Jew. Before the Jewish infiltration of the Church was reified at Vatican II, there was hardly a priest, at least here in the States, who would permit a Catholic boy or girl in his parish to marry in the Church if he thought the youngster’s non-Catholic “intended” represented a danger to his or her faith. In addition, the non-Catholic was required to sign a sworn declaration in which he or she solemnly undertook to raise any children as Catholics and never do anything to endanger or even denigrate the Catholic spouse’s faith. In fact, this solemn and grave oath, which many “sophisticated” clerics before and during Vatican II publically attacked as an intolerable indignity, was one of the first things to go in the wake of the Council. Its impact—great for Jews, horrible for Christians—can be seen everywhere today in precisely the situation Mr. Santomauro recounts.

    To make a long story short, what Santomauro wrote may not seem to make sense, but it’s an apt and accurate description of life as it is actually lived in the Tribally occupied West.

  67. skullnboner's Gravatar skullnboner
    October 8, 2011 - 2:20 am | Permalink

    Tay Sachs is not an indication of ethncity or race. It is not exclusive to Jews, but to Cajuns and French Canadians. It is the result of a mutation, which gets passed on in isolated and small founder populations. The key to it’s prominence in certain ‘people’ is a result of it being inherited in those isolated populations. It is found among European (so-called Ashkenazi) Jews, where it likely would have been passed on in isolated ghettoes and outbred to Jews elsewhere. However, I have not heard that it is common to Sephardic Jews.

    Btw…enjoying the comments. Interesting, educational and challenging. I think the genetic-studies claims should be challenged. I have found on occassion when nudged to examine the genetic claims, that those claims are too often reported by Jewish outlets…that is the labs doing these genetic studies are Jewish-owned and mostly Jewish-run, with a minor gentile front thrown in. I am therefore wary and supicious about genetic studies, particularly when it involves ‘Jewish’-genetics.

  68. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 8, 2011 - 12:53 am | Permalink

    @fender: And also Kevin MacDonald if he happens to read this: Well it sure seems to me that if 40% of each generation of Jews married out, then before long the original group would be watered down to nothing. If those that are half Jewish marry out their offpring are only 25%. Within a few generations they are no longer Jewish. Maybe I am wrong on the math, but just to compare, Whites overall only intermarry with other races at a rate of 2 or 3 percent.

    Also, this doesn’t seem consistent with the idea that Jews are ethnocentric. Obviously they have been very ethnocentric in the past, but if this is true, they have changed (here in America).

  69. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 8, 2011 - 12:34 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    The 40% figure seems accurate to me. Practically all the Jews I’ve known were technically half-Jewish, but considered themselves fully Jewish, and had Bar Mitzvahs and all that. What I don’t buy is the figure that says only 1/3 are “raised” Jewish. I don’ think I’ve ever met someone who had a Jewish parent and didn’t consider himself or herself Jewish. Jews remain as a group because there is a heavy psychological/sociological aspect to Judaism in addition to the biological one.

  70. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 7, 2011 - 11:57 pm | Permalink

    @Michael Santomauro: Approximately 40% of Jews marry non-Jews

    OK, if this is true, then how are Jews in America remaining as a group at all? This seems like a very high rate of marriage outside their group. I thought Jews had a very high rate of staying within their own group. Is that only the religious Jews?

    If 40% of American Jews marry non-Jews, that would mean almost every non-religious Jew marries outside his ethnic group, which seems unlikely.

    I see where the article makes that claim but it seems hard to believe. Or again, if true, wouldn’t Jews water themselves down to nothing in few generations?

  71. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 7, 2011 - 10:20 pm | Permalink

    @ Frank Edwin Stone. Thanks again, here’s my theory: Look at chapter 10 of Genesis and the generations following Japeth. Japeth fathered Gomer, Gomer fathered Ashkenaz. If Semites are actually “Shemites” decended from Shem through Eber (Eberu-Hebrew), to Abraham, Issac, and Jacob/Israel, it follows that the Ashkenazi might well have taken their name from Ashkenaz, son of Gomer grandson of Japeth. If Japeth is identified in Genisis as the progenitor of the Turkic peoples, this could give some credence to the Khazar hypothesis of Ashkenazi origins. Or not. I think it’s worth looking at. Ancient peoples took their family geneologies very seriously. It might benefit us to do the same.

  72. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 7, 2011 - 9:18 pm | Permalink

    Sunnah (Prophetic traditions) is like Christian Gospels. It cannot abrogate the Word of Allah (Holy Qur’an). A Believer can dispute a Haddith, but cannot question the a Verse of Holy Qur’an.

    The differences between Sunnis and Shias are of political nature and not of religious nature. The religious sectarian filth is applied by enemies of Muslim Ummah (Saudi, Egyptian, Jordanian and UAE rulers) who are puppets of the West and Israel.


  73. October 7, 2011 - 7:56 pm | Permalink

    There are a lot more Jews in the United States than you realize
    APRIL 09, 2010


    The number commonly tossed around for the percent of Jews in the United State is 2%. Indeed, when I used the RELIG variable in the GSS for the survey years 2000-2008, 1.9% of respondents said they were Jewish. However, the RELIG16 variable, which asks in what religion the respondent was raised, 2.1% were raised Jewish.

    Yes, when we count the number of Jewish people, we are counting the number of people who say that Judaism is their religion.

    However, the way that White Nationalists look at Jews, as a race and not a religion, there are actually a lot more Jews in the United States. Approximately 40% of Jews marry non-Jews, and in those cases, the children are raised Jewish only one-third of the time (see this NY Times article). Furthermore, a much larger percentage of people with Jewish ancestry report not having any religion at all. Thus, the number of people in the United States with some Jewish ancestry is a lot greater than 2%, probably more like 4%, which would be more like 5% of the country’s white population.



  74. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 7, 2011 - 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Ashkenazi derives from the Hebrew word for Germany, if I recall correctly.
    Sephardi derives from the Hebrew word for Spain.

  75. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 7, 2011 - 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Sorry i did not provide a link.


    Meanwhile regarding Islam and the authority of the Sunnah (oral traditions)

    “2. What does the Authority of the Sunnah mean?

    In Arabic, the wording is Hojjiyat As-Sunnah. This basically means that the Sunnah can be used as evidence in Shariah, and that Allah (swt) has ordered us to follow the Sunnah and avoid anything it has prohibited for us. In other words, this means that it is obligatory on every Muslim to believe in what the Sunnah tells us, and to act according to the Sunnah in all aspects of our life and ensure that we do not commit any actions that contradict the Sunnah.

    3. The Sunnah and it’s place in relation to the Holy Qur’an:

    The Sunnah can be divided into three parts:

    Confirming Sunnah. This is the part of the Sunnah that confirms what is in the Qur’an, and reinforces it.

    Explanatory Sunnah. This part of the Sunnah explains the holy Qur’an and the various Shariah injunctions that come in the holy Qur’an. It includes four parts: expanding on what is mentioned only briefly in the holy Qur’an, explaining difficult verses or issues, putting limits on general statements in the Qur’an and finally specifying generalities in the Qur’an.

    Sunnah that brings new legislation. This part of the Sunnah is the one that brings new legislation, and new Shariah that is not in the holy Qur’an. ”


    So you see they are identical. This is from a Shia source. Notice how they said that the Sunnah can introduce “new legislation” not found in the Koran. Notice how they also say that the Sunnah expands on what is briefly mentioned in the Koran. Another words spin. Notice how they also said that the Sunnah “can place limits” on general statements of the Koran”.
    One thing I noticed is how Muslims clerics avoid talking about how the Sunnah can abrogate the Koran. They know this can be a sensitive issue for many Muslims. But anyone who knows about Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni or Shia, knows that the Sunnah can abroagte many aspects of the Koran.

    They will never assimilate the way they are. One is just more honest about it because his strategy is a majority strategy. I say this because these traditions did not just get invented from the blue. Its a startegy to seperate themselves from others. They will not assimilate.

    Of course none of this really matter as these are semitic eastern religions anyways. They are not compatible with Western civilization. I am not saying that all Jews and Muslims adhere to the orthodoxies, but 90% do.

    Christianity did not follow that path and thus the reformation was possible. There religions will not reform.

  76. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 7, 2011 - 4:20 pm | Permalink

    @fender: “Whites should stop using the term ‘traditional culture’ . . . the moment something is seen as ‘tradition’ it’s lost forever.”

    I agree with you less often than I disagree, but this reminder, it must be said, is worth its weight in gold. It stands out as a clear, shining light on a thread that, after starting off well, has been muddied by misdirection and perhaps subversion. Thank you.

  77. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 7, 2011 - 4:16 pm | Permalink

    @ Frank Edwin Stone. Thank you. One more question if you don’t mind. What is the source of the word Ashkenazi, and what, if anything, does it mean or signify? I have a theory, but I don’t know if it is correct.

  78. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 7, 2011 - 4:16 pm | Permalink

    You are a Jew if you follow the Talmud. There is no other definition of a Jew. And to follow the Talmud you may not need faith but a believe in the ethnic bond. The criteria that a Jew is someone whose mother is Jewish is a Talmudic concept. The term Judiasm is not even in the Old Testament.

    “However, the missing link in Christian understanding on the subject of “Pharisees” is best supplied by the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1943):

    The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the largest and most important single piece of that literature … and the study of it is essential for any real understanding of Pharisaism.
    Concerning the Pharisees, the 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia says:

    With the destruction of the Temple (70 A.D.) the Sadducees disappeared altogether, leaving the regulation of all Jewish affairs in the hands of the Pharisees. Henceforth, Jewish life was regulated by the Pharisees; the whole history of Judaism was reconstructed from the Pharisaic point of view, and a new aspect was given to the Sanhedrin of the past. A new chain of tradition supplanted the older priestly tradition (Abot 1:1). Pharisaism shaped the character of Judaism and the life and thought of the Jew for all the future. (See Exhibit 264 herein.)
    Historically speaking, scripture believers had accepted Christ as the Messiah foretold. They were no longer “Jews,” but called themselves “Christians.” They were persecuted as such by the Pharisees. The word “Pharisee” comes from the word “separated.” (See Exhibit 300.)

    The Babylonian Talmud, Sole Authority
    You may ascertain by turning to top Jewish authorities today that the Babylonian Talmud, the written form of the Tradition of the Pharisees, is the sole authority of the so-called “Jewish” religion, or Judaism.

    Rabbi Louis Finklestein was chosen in 1937 by the Kehillas (Jewish communities) of the World as one of the top 120 Jews best representing “a lamp of Judaism” to the World, together with Maxim Litvinov (Finklestein), the Communist Commissar and bank robber terrorist; atheist communist Albert Einstein; those indefatigable Marxist reds, Harold Laski and his friend Felix Frankfurter (U.S. Supreme Court Justice) who shared honors with Rabbi Finklestein and others. Finklestein has long headed the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, with branches in New York and Los Angeles. In his two-volume work “The Pharisees.” Rabbi Finklestein writes:

    Pharasaism became Talmudism … But the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives unaltered. When the Jew … studies the Talmud, he is actually repeating the arguments used in the Palestinian academies. From Palestine to Babylonia; from Babylonia to North Africa, Italy. Spain, France and Germany; from these to Poland. Russia and Eastern Europe generally, ancient Pharasaism has wandered. (See Exhibit 1, Exhibit 2, and Exhibit 3 herein.)
    In Rabbi Finklestein’s history of the Jews, he states:

    The Talmud derives its authority from the position held by the ancient academies. (i.e. Pharisee) The teachers of those academies, both of Babylonia and of Palestine. were considered the rightful successors of the older Sanhedrin . . . At the present time, the Jewish people have no living central authority comparable in status to the ancient Sanhedrins or the later academies. Therefore, any decision regarding the Jewish religion must be based on the Talmud as the final resumé of the teaching of those authorities when they existed.
    [page 2] (The Jews — Their History, Culture, and Religion , Vol. 4, p. 1332, Jewish Publication Society of America, 1949).
    “The Talmud: Heart’s Blood of the Jewish Faith,” was the heading of a November, 1959, installment of a bestselling book by the Jewish author, Herman Wouk, which ran serially in the New York Herald-Tribune.

    To quote:

    The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart’s blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs or ceremonies we observe — whether we are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic sentimentalists — we follow the Talmud. It is our common law. “

  79. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 7, 2011 - 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Gilad Atzmon was interviewed by Dr. Kevin Barrett a few days ago. They talked about Judaism, Zionism, Israel and Islam.


  80. Q. Summary's Gravatar Q. Summary
    October 7, 2011 - 12:08 pm | Permalink

    @Tom: What doesn’t add up is the silly claim that jews are 2% of the US population. In the early 20th century jewish leaders openly told their fellow ethnics not to identify themselves as jewish to census takers or anyone else. The percentages we see throughout the media and parroted by even the most well meaning WNs are numbers provided by jews themselves. Even Mark Twain remarked in humorous fashion about the jews lying and concealing their true numbers.

  81. Q. Summary's Gravatar Q. Summary
    October 7, 2011 - 12:04 pm | Permalink

    @Michael Santomauro: Any time a jew tries to tell me that they are a religion, not an ethnic group, all I say is “Tay Sachs”. Ask them to explain how a disease picks out members of a particular religion. The looks you get from these disingenuous gypsies with laptops are something to see.

  82. October 7, 2011 - 10:34 am | Permalink


    Yesterday, I found out that The Occidental Observer, a White Supremacist magazine, also published a lengthy review of ‘The Wandering Who’ written by Prof. Kevin MacDonald. Like Gardner, MacDonald also conflates Jewish ideology and culture with ethnicity. His most controversial claim is that a suite of traits that he attributes to Jews, including higher-than-average verbal intelligence and ethnocentrisms, have eugenically evolved to enhance the ability of Jews to outsmart non-Jews in the competition for resources while, at the same time, undermining the power and self-confidence of the white majorities in Europe and America who, he insists, Jews seek to dispossess. Just like Gardner, MacDonald produced an interesting text, though Macdonald’s was somewhat more scholarly.

    Although both are supremacist and ethnocentric thinkers, Gardner and MacDonald seem to be in a kind of dispute. Zionist Gardner insists that ‘The Wandering Who’ contains elements of ‘cultural racism’ though he fails to inform his readers what ‘cultural racism’ is. As far as I’m concerned, cultural racism is a misnomer. Criticism grounded in the racial origin of a group is, quite simply and obviously, racist. But criticism levelled at the culture or the politics of a certain group is not. It is simply and literally political or cultural criticism. I suspect that Gardner attributed the notion of ‘cultural racism’ to my work because he could not find a single ‘racist’ element in my book or in any of my writing.

    MacDonald however, is actually frustrated with the lack of any biological determinist or racist reference in my work. “Atzmon completely avoids any mention of modern population genetic studies that show conclusively that Jews are indeed an ethnic entity and that widely dispersed Jewish groups are more similar to each other than to the peoples they have lived among for hundreds or thousands of years. Instead he relies on Shlomo Sand’s The Invention of the Jewish People to argue that Jewish peoplehood is an invention of the 19th century resulting from the influence of German nationalism.”



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    Editorial Director
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  83. drtyu's Gravatar drtyu
    October 7, 2011 - 10:18 am | Permalink


    LOL. Perfect reply.

  84. October 7, 2011 - 5:16 am | Permalink

    @J. Maxwell:

    Controversy Dogs Israel’s Latest Nobel Laureate
    Oct. 6, 2011


    But when Shechtman first published his discovery of ‘quasicrystals’ in 1982, he was derided by many influential colleagues including double Nobel Prize winner, Linus Pauling who scoffed:

    “Danny Shechtman is talking nonsense. There is no such thing as quasicrystals, only quasi-scientists.”

    And even as Professor Shechtman began to enjoy the accolades showered upon him earlier today, commentators on the British Guardian newspaper’s ‘Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2011 – live blog’ accused the Nobel Award Committee of ‘Zionist bias’. Indeed, several comments have been removed for not abiding by the Guardian’s ‘community standards’.

    Read more: http://technorati.com/lifestyle/article/controversy-dogs-israels-latest-nobel-laureate/#ixzz1a5M1pHoD

    Mike Santomauro
    Editorial Director
    Call anytime: 917-974-6367

  85. Rick Wohlman's Gravatar Rick Wohlman
    October 7, 2011 - 1:32 am | Permalink

    @Brother Francis: Yes, I think Maxwell should go into Einstein’s background, his well documented plagiarism etc. Then he should point out Salk was handed all the notes and papers from other “teams” by the head of the March of Dimes and used their work to take all the credit. Actually, there’s a lot of info out there, and I guess it scares BF, or Caleb or whatever the hell name he’s using this week lol. It’s all coming to a rather nasty head, the rabbi behind the curtain will not be able to keep it up for another decade. Good.

  86. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 7, 2011 - 12:14 am | Permalink

    A precise definition of the term “Semite” is difficult.
    Roughly, the term describes the descendants of Shem in the Old Testament.
    The people of the Near East speaking Semitic languages and having a common racial origin and physical appearance.
    The ancient Canaanites, Assyrians, Arabs, Hebrews and others are examples of Semites.
    Persians and Medes, the ancestors of the Iranians, were not Semites, but Aryan invaders from the North, although today tend to have a Semitic appearance, like Ahmenidjad, due to racial mingling over 3500 years.
    Aramaic, a Semitic language spoken to this day, also spoken by Jesus, was one of the official languages of the ancient Persian empire, besides Persian, which is an Aryan tongue.
    The Sumerians, who created the first human civilization, were also not Semites, but were eventually conquered, overrun by Semitic tribes from the desert.
    I hope this helps a little.

  87. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    October 6, 2011 - 11:27 pm | Permalink

    The Spanish Jews expelled by Queen Isabella were ordered on pain of death to not set foot in any of the territories controlled by the crown.
    Many of them re-settled in the better (read: European) parts of the Ottoman Empire following a formal invite by Sultan Bayezid II.
    The amusing aspect of that tale has to do with the claimed number of Jews who had fled. According to conflicting accounts presented in kosher sources the spread can be as large as 200% !

  88. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 6, 2011 - 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Will anyone here give me a precise definition of “Semite”?

  89. October 6, 2011 - 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Jews were in Diaspora as early as the time of King Solomon (merchants/trade etc) and by New Testament times were dispersed as far as Rome and Spain.

    This is why most Jews today do not appear “Semitic” owing to the Diaspora bringing Jews to northern climates.

    Thus the Khazar theory is utterly unfounded since Jews were residing in Europe some 1600 years before the Khazars converted to Judaism.

    I, as a former Jew, now an Orthodox Christian, do not subscribe to this Khazar theory at all.

    +Brother Nathanael

  90. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    October 6, 2011 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Hardesty claimed that Ayn Rand was an “anti-jew jew”. Some time ago, on this site, I demonstrated that the word “Ayn” is Hebrew and that Miss Rand is advertising her jewishness to the world. Hardesty still denied it, holding to Rand’s lie that her name came from A Norwegian source like “Einar.” jewish Wiki has this to say:

    Ein Sof (or Ayn Sof) (Hebrew אין סוף), in Kabbalah, is understood as God prior to His self-manifestation in the production of any spiritual Realm, probably derived from Ibn Gabirol’s term, “the Endless One” (she-en lo tiklah). Ein Sof may be translated as “no end,” “unending,” “there is no end,” or Infinite.

    Ein Sof is the divine origin of all created existence, in contrast to the Ein (or Ayn), which is infinite no-thingness. It was first used by Azriel ben Menahem, who, sharing the Neoplatonic view that God can have no desire, thought, word, or action, emphasized by it the negation of any attribute. Of the Ein Sof, nothing (“Ein”) can be grasped (“Sof”-limitation). It is the origin of the Ohr Ein Sof, the “Infinite Light” of paradoxical Divine self-knowledge, nullified within the Ein Sof prior to Creation. In Lurianic Kabbalah, the first act of Creation, the Tzimtzum self “withdrawal” of God to create an “empty space”, takes place from there. In Hasidism, the Tzimtzum is only illusionary concealment of the Ohr Ein Sof, giving rise to Monistic Panentheism. Consequently, Hasidism focuses on the Atzmus Divine essence, rooted higher within the Godhead than the Ein Sof, which is limited to infinitude, and reflected in the essence (Etzem) of the Torah and the soul.

    Rand’s girlfriend, Nathaniel Branden (Blumenthal), says he got his last name from a phone book. In fact,it means Ben-Rand, son of Rand. So Natan’s name means Son of G-d, or Son of Nothingness. A caller into the “Leonard Piekoff radio show” asked “is Ayn the Messiah?” Piekoff, mumbling- “let’s hope so.”


  91. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    October 6, 2011 - 10:12 pm | Permalink

    @Frank Edwin Stone:

    Let’s say that even if all of the tens of thousands of Jews in Western Europe migrated to Eastern Europe. It would still be hard to explain the millions of Jews in Eastern Europe in 1914, and add to them the millions of Eastern European Jews who migrated to the USA and elsewhere prior to 1914.

    Something just doesn’t add up?

  92. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    October 6, 2011 - 9:33 pm | Permalink

    @ Bigmo

    Jews evidently didn’t have trouble making Ottoman Empire stand on its ear.
    First deposing the sultan, and later using the chaos of WWI to physically eliminate via wholesale dispossession and massacres potential rivals represented by the entire multi-ethnic community of Christian subjects.
    Many of the ‘progressive’ leaders emerging from the ruins of the empire to build the new Republic of Turkey belonged to the same dönme (crypto Jews) clique, and were covered up to their eyeballs in the blood of Christian civilians.
    The road to a new ‘secular’ republic would be littered with plenty of corpses still. From furious Sunni clergy, to uncooperative Turkish traditionalists, to always rebellious Kurds.
    Not entirely unexpected reaction given the depth and scope of new changes ordered from the top. Casting aside national dress; alphabet (read: literature accumulated throughout centuries); borrowing from European legal codes; and most importantly – separating mosque from state.
    Ask any of the much harassed (often persecuted) Turkish Islamists: Who has been @ the top of the food chain in all the decades the Kemalists have been running the show in that country ?

  93. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 6, 2011 - 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Kevin McDonald,

    I do admire your patience in responding like a true scientist to the chameleon-like cretin who posts under “Hardesty”, but ever since I slammed him hard, reincarnated under the fitting pseudonym “KazarCretin”.
    Often the smaller the brain capacity, the bigger the mouth.
    Kind of like dogs, the smaller ones bark the most.

    This character posts from the Jewish Encyclopedia:
    “Jews have lived on the shores of the Black and Caspian seas since the first centuries of the common era [after the death of Christ]. Historical evidence points to the region of the Ural as the home of the Chazars.”

    In other words Jews were already living in that area of Eastern Europe 800-900 years before the conversion to Judaism of the Khazar ruling class, at a time when the Khazars were still probably moving South from their homeland in the Urals.

    Then the cretin has the nerve to ask whether the Romans built
    boats for the Jews to move them out of Palestine.

    Breathtakingly stupid stuff. This guy probably needs written directions to find his way out of a brown paper bag.
    I am truly amazed at some of the creatures that lurk around here.

  94. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 6, 2011 - 6:27 pm | Permalink

    “It is an obvious fact that the Israelis do not belong to the region. The Jewish claim for Zion i.e. Palestine is beyond pathetic. It is in fact as ridiculous as a bunch of Italian settlers invading London’s Piccadilly Circus claiming their right to return to a land once occupied by their Roman forefathers. Obviously Italians would not get away with it, Zionists, on the other hand, have managed to fool the nations for more than a while,” Gilad Atzmon.


  95. Volksverhetzer's Gravatar Volksverhetzer
    October 6, 2011 - 6:16 pm | Permalink

    @Kevin MacDonald

    “They are simply not that powerful. Nor is that the problem in the Scandinavian countries, etc”

    Jews are a major problem in Sweden, and they have without a doubt been the driving force for immigration in Sweden. Norway and Denmark just copied the Swedes, as we often do, when we think some other Scandinavian country does something smart, since Sweden was the richest among them when immigration started.

    Sweden got a LOT of Jews after WW2, mostly from the Baltic and then another influx of Jews from Hungary in 1965 and from Poland in 1968.

    Swedes mostly thought these people to be normal Balts, Hungarians and Poles, and it was not before the Internet, that people started to understand that they were Jewish, and that they all helped each other to positions of power, pushing ethnic Swedes out. I don’t know how many ethnic Swedes that are left in the Swedish Academy, but I would not be surprised if they are in a minority already.

    Most of the media in Sweden is also owned by the Jewish Bonnier family. (The rest by a Norwegian company, Schibsted, that I suspect is ultimately owned by the Norwegian secret service through a trust) It is also the Schibsted group that is starting to give a voice to people who are against the immigration, where as the Bonnier media has become even more immigrant friendly.

    One can also see this battle between the media conglomerates in the way anonymous comments is handled, where the Bonnier group has a policy with registering with facebook, or banning them outright, while Schibsted papers manly accept anonymity and does not prescreen comments.

    The editor of the Swedish Daily (Svenska Dagbladet) Per Gudmundson is in a way starting to become a Swedish hero, as he dares to criticize the “Stockholm elite” (read Jews and their fellow leftist). A websearch for Per Gudmundson svd, will bring up his most popular editorials.

    The Swedish Jew-aware bloggers have christened the jewish elite “Agenda Jews”, so a web search for “agenda juder” and then use Google translate, and you will find a number of blogs that take up the problem.

    This is one of the Blogs:

    Same link translated to English.

    What is interesting and encouraging ,is that Sweden having the most repressive media in Scandinavia, have the largest independent, not politically correct media, in all the Scandinavian countries. (perhaps even the world)

    The biggest web-forum in Scandinavia, is also Swedish with 1 in 16 Swedes being a member, and is fundamentally free speech. It even has a sub forum called “Jewish power relations”, in addition to a revisionist sub forum, where the revisionists dominate the discourse.

    It is called flashback.org, and I have tried to access it with Google translate into English to show people, but I have not been able to make it work.

    I also suspect that the Jews had an easy time taking over Sweden, since Swedes have been brought up to respect and trust central authority and follow rules in a far greater degree than Norwegians and Danes.

    If we take the Flashback.org forum as an example, one can see that the Swedish model works with Swedes, since the powerful there don’t abuse their authority, but use it mainly to keep order so that the threads stay on subject.

  96. Brother Francis's Gravatar Brother Francis
    October 6, 2011 - 6:00 pm | Permalink

    @J. Maxwell: Maxwell, I wish you would support your claims with actual facts.

  97. October 6, 2011 - 5:26 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo: “Judaism is minority startegy while Islam is majority strategy. Given this, I will assume that Jews will have a harder time ruling than Muslims would.”

    This is why Jewry has reframed Western Christendom and Western civlization as Judeo-Christian civilization…it wants to portray itself as part and parcel of the Western ethic even as it simultaneously pursues a self-serving minority strategy.

    The ability of Jewry to have its cake and eat it too is why it is utterly convinced of its own superiority, and additionally convinced of the utter weakness and inferiority of non-Jews for letting Jewry get away with this.

    This is what makes Judeophile liberals and Judeo-Christian Zionists absolute poison to Western civilization…essentially, their insistence that non-Jews deserve their lower caste status. They’re weak, defective, psychological slaves to Jewry, and so they insist that everyone else must be as well, otherwise they’ll look like the weak, defective, disgusting cowards and servile pansies they are. They additionally compound their dispicable servility by joining their Jewish masters in smearing those with the strength to stand up to the Jewish supremacist psychopaths as anti-Semites and enemies of the Western ethic, when they’re the ones who are destroying Western civlization right along with their Jewish partners in crime.

  98. KhazarCretin's Gravatar KhazarCretin
    October 6, 2011 - 4:46 pm | Permalink

    “One of the most deceptive phrases the Jews have is “anti-Semitism.” But it’s very easily sidestepped. On a special radio show in LA hosted by Susan Estrich she entitled “Anti-Semitism,” I called in and confronted her and her guest, Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard law professor and expert on “anti-Semitism.”
    “Does either of you have one drop of Semitic blood in your body?”
    Dershowitz quickly answered, “I must admit, I’m uncomfortable with the term…”
    “Then why do you use it?”
    “I just think there should be a better word.”
    “But you didn’t say that on this show called ‘Anti-Semitism’ until I asked you that.”
    Susan Estrich to the rescue: “So you don’t want to be called an ‘anti-Semite…” You just hate Jews.”
    “I do think we need to be Jew-wise.”
    “’Jew-wise?’ Well, I’m ending this call right now!”
    But that’s how to deal with someone calling you an “anti-Semite.” If I can make Alan Dershowitz shut up with one little question, you can see how powerful it is. The accusation of “anti-Semitism” has a dual-use. The first is to suggest very subtly that Russian Jews have some blood right to invade and occupy Semite-land. No Ashkenazi Jew will ever say that he is a Semite, if you ask him or her. That would be a very offensive idea. But you’re an “anti-Semite” if you criticize Jews. So the second use is to make you shut up. A total deception.
    Anyway, the real Semites are revolting, all over Semite-land. The anti-Semites in Tel Aviv are getting ready to reap what they have sown since 1948. The Semites have nothing left to lose, which means they’re free. They’re free to rise up and kill the tyrants installed by Jews in the United States. Soon they will be free to remove the Zionist cancer from the page of history. Will the Israeli Jews nuke them to save themselves? Maybe not. I suspect that they will prefer to live out their days in Hollywood, Phoenix and Miami rather than go Samson Option. The Jewish Problem will continue for us, even if the Forever Persecuted Ones have to decamp once more for friendlier lands, meaning here.”

    From an article called “By Way of Deception” by J Bruce Campbell. Wasn’t the northernmost border of the Roman Empire still well outside what we today call Germany? Did the Romans put the Judaics on boats and sail them across the Mediterranean only to stick them in the outermost regions of their empire so that they could live with the visigoths? Come on now guys…this getting absurd. Hell, even mouth breather Dershowitz gets flustered at the thought that he might be one of “them”…..

  99. omop's Gravatar omop
    October 6, 2011 - 3:44 pm | Permalink

    According to a life long friend of dubious intellect the “Old Testament” was …written/composed…after the completion of the “New Testament”. Its one sure way to “prove” authenticity he claims.

    While former Israeli cabinet minister Shulamit Aloni (born 1928), during her August 14, 2002 interview with Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! said:

    “Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel then we bring up the holocaust. When in this country (US) people are criticizing Israel then they are antisemitic. And the organization (Israel Lobby) is very strong and has lots of money.

    And the ties between Israel and American Jewish establishment are very strong – and they are strong in this country as you know. And they have power which is ok”.

  100. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    October 6, 2011 - 3:31 pm | Permalink


    It is odd how millions of Jews ended up in Poland-Russia-Ukraine when it is claimed they came there after being expelled from Spain, France, and other western European countries. Something doesn’t add up.

  101. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    October 6, 2011 - 3:21 pm | Permalink


    Protestant’s believe in Salvation by faith in Jesus Christ. There is no other way to Salvation except through faith in Jesus Christ.

  102. J. Maxwell's Gravatar J. Maxwell
    October 6, 2011 - 1:56 pm | Permalink

    @Sunshine: Yes, especially when you delve into the background of a lot of these ‘winners’, and see how much work was done by teams, the non-tribal getting no credit. Or the work was borrowed from others, who get no credit. Or the recipient of the prize turns out to have been in charge of a dept., and nothing gets done without him being listed as top dog.

    Never mind judges starting to complain over 15 years ago about the incredibly heavy pressure from jews to name their own as winners, and the Japanese starting to get into the act.

    Yeah, it’s all honest science. Just like Einstein and his maleable theories. Once something is shown to be off or wrong, the tribe gets into action by telling us that “… what Einstein really meant was…” and they provide new meaning and definition to what Einstein supposedly provided. Never mind that this jewish secular god stole credit for E=mc2 from Olinto De Pretto. Now that the CERN crew seems to be providing much larger nails for this fraud’s coffin, the tribe is ramping things up. Wonder if they’ll try and bribe everyone, promises of funding and hookers galore, if they’ll just say they were “off”, and Einstein is still right. lol

  103. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 6, 2011 - 12:58 pm | Permalink


    First of all we must not take these sectarian differences in Islam too seriously as to most non Muslims the differences are minute and superficial.

    As far as non ethnicity of Islam, there is no jurisprudence in Islam that says MUSLIM Arabs are more superior to MUSIM non Arabs. But there is Muslims are superior to non Muslims even though they may not always admit that. The reason why Muslims do not accept the Nation of Islam is because they are not Sunnis or even Shias. Islam as I said is deeply sectarian. The most fanatic Muslims are the most sectarian. Like Al Qaeda, they can be Arabs, White Americans, Indonesians, Africans, but all are Salafi (wahhabi) jihadist. Put a Sufi or a Shia in one of those training camps and a battle will take place right away. Deeply sectarian. Al Qaeda is probably the most multicultural organization on Earth. Yet its the most sectarian. If thats how these Jihadist feel about rival Muslims sects, you can foget about Christians, or Budhist or Jews.

    While a kibbutz in Israel can have Poles, Russians, Americans, Swedes and even Yemenis and Iraqis. But all are Jews. Deeply ethnocentric.

    The reason for that sectraianism and ethnocentrism has to do with the Talmud and the Sunnah. Something that most Christians can never understand. In fact Western historians for a long time never even knew about the Sunnah. It was Ignaz Goldziher, a Jew, who upon studying Islam, discovered the similarity between Islam and Judaism. In fact Goldziher believed that Jewish converts to Islam introduced the concept of the Oral traditions to the Arabs. This started a whole new study on Islam with people like Joseph Schacht, Juynboll, Patricia Crone and many others. Schacht believed that Shariah law was a later invention that was manufactured by the Abbasid dynasty to help create a theocracy that can compete with other Empires like the Byzantinian.

    Judaism and Islam are very similar. Sunni Islam was designed for the ruling elite and gave authority to the ruler. Who obviously was one of them. Judiasm was an exclusive elite isolated from the community because of the rigidity of the Talmud. Authority was given to the Jewish community. If its good for the Jews than its all gravy. Shiasm gave authority to the cleric, as they were the main opposition group with a rival theocracy to Sunni Islam but similar. The ruler was not one of them so meanwhile they gave authority to the cleic. Thats why Ayatollah Khomeini was the first cleric to rule in Islamic history. Only a Shia can pull it off. Sunni clerics do not have that kind of authority. They are considered advisers to the ruler.

    Both these religions can never assimilate. One will show you his agenda and shove it in your face. He has size and numbers and reach. He has confidence and is used to being dominant most of the time. The other will hide his agenda and use proxy. He is small and is used to being a minority. Judaism is minority startegy while Islam is majority strategy. Given this, I will assume that Jews will have a harder time ruling than Muslims would. Cause Judaism was never designed as a ruling dogma. Thats why Israel is the way it is.

  104. realist's Gravatar realist
    October 6, 2011 - 11:04 am | Permalink

    “I say, good for Atzmon and Sand and Philip Weiss for helping unmask the fraudulence of organized Jewry… but I’m skeptical of any larger socialist agenda they may have.”

    Not “socialism,” probably, but definately anti-racist universalism. which according to most people involved in pro-white movement are code words for anti-white. what do you think Atzmon and Sand and Philip Weiss and Walt and Mersheimer and Jimmy Carter and Helen Thomas and Norman Finkelstein and Israel Shamir and OO contributer Rehmat think of the Islamic settlement of Europe? I would bet they’re all very pro-immigration. I would bet they’re passionately against what they see as zionist racism because they’re all passionately offended by racism and fascism.

    yet the anti-semitic wing of the pro-white movement argues that these people are better friends of European-American interests than the Israeli-friendly anti-Islamist politicians of Europe. If Gilead Atzmon walks down the street in London and comes upon a fistfight between a BNP supporter and an anti-fascist, who do you think he’ll be rooting for?

  105. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 6, 2011 - 10:17 am | Permalink

    @BBC journalist:
    That BBC News magazine you refer to says:

    The fallacy,then,is simple.Just because some black people are good at something does not imply that black people in general will be good at it.

    That is a “strawman”-argument.When we say group X is better in something than group Y,we don’t mean that all members of group X are better than all members of group Y, but that group X has a greater frequency of people who excel than group Y.It is a comparison of frequencies, not absolutes.Similarily with Jews and the number of Jewish Nobel Prize winners,they have a greater frequency of them.(whether that is honestly earned or the outcome of ethnic networking is another thing)

  106. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    October 6, 2011 - 9:42 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: I have to work with them all day long, and it is rather unpleasant, that is why!

  107. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    October 6, 2011 - 9:37 am | Permalink

    @Sunshine: Of course, those are white Jews, so why don’t you go to a black power site and point out all the white people winning Nobel Prizes? Or should I tell black people that when white men ran everything in this country, they were making a contribution, not discriminating?

  108. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    October 6, 2011 - 9:29 am | Permalink

    The biggest problem with leftists like Gilad Atzmon, who happens to be jewish, and with the overwhelming majority of leftists who are superficially ‘white’ – is that all of these brainless, gullible idiots truly have swallowed the jewish fabricated lies about the non-existent ‘joys of multculturalism and multi-racialism’.

    Lies which were directed at – and which were deliberately intended to poison the brains of primarily non-jews – with whites being at the top of that list, since jews lust to genocide the White European race by any means possible.

    Atzmon is an example of a stray jew who somehow wandered into the ‘death ray’ that was meant to be beamed across the white gentile population groups, and he wound up infected with this insane form of suicidal mental illness along with self-hating, self-loathing, white guilt ridden, white leftists.
    Today’s typical ‘White Christian’ is also consumed with this same kind of self-hatred and nauseating white guilt, and they are usually seen as being ‘conservative’.

    In reality, we all must grudgingly admit that the jews are right on the money, with regards to ethnic loyalty, ethnic solidarity and ethnic networking. All races, except the stupid white race, have varying degrees of ethnic loyalty, and literally ALL of them demonstrate ethnic solidarity – within their own tribe, but hypocritically whine, scream and shriek hysterically at whites if they do the very same thing.

    So, Gilad Atzmon and all of these white leftists who will occasionally heap scorn and criticism on the jews in Israel and hurl the ‘racist’ word at them – are not really our allies. We all have noticed that these leftists never focus on the hypocritical double standard angle – and ask why is it permissible for jews to be concerned about ‘what is good for the jews’, but not equally permissible for whites to be concerned about their legitimate ethnic interests. In the poisoned and programmed for racial suicide minds of these leftists – there is no such thing as ‘legitimate ethnic/racial interests’ for ANY race or tribe of people.

    Such people are Utopians and are afflicted with a deadly form of mental illness that has programmed them for death and extinction. It is NOT a natural or healthy behavioral characteristic for any species of animal or human life to abandon their instinct for survival and self-preservation. Those traits are ABNORMAL and a clear indication that we are dealing with genetically defective mutations who have a dangerous set of wires crossed somewhere inside their DNA.

  109. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    October 6, 2011 - 9:25 am | Permalink

    @BBC journalist: While you are a good writer “BBC journalist”, I don’t think your conclusion is valid but rather points to the need for further study. If only black sprinters win the 100 yard dash, you may not definatively conclude blacks are faster, but you should certainly design an experiment and use that as your working hypothesis. How about testing 1000 randomly selected black athletes, letting them train for a month, and test their times against 1000 similiarly trained white athletes. If the blacks average a better time, what does that do to your argument?

  110. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 6, 2011 - 9:12 am | Permalink


    Excuse me but the Irish community in the UK are nothing like the Jewish community in the US (or UK). They haven’t campaigned for mass non-European immigration. This is the single key act knowingly perpetrated by the Jewish as a means of destruction of English identity and culture. The real crime here is that they knew the impact all along. How do we know? Because look at their own culture. Everything is about protection from intermarriage and undue influence from outsiders. Particularly the young. Yet they swamped our cities with outsiders leaving our young impossible to protect. They did it deliberately, and it has caused and will cause immeasurable suffering. We welcomed them as friends and this is what they did to us.

    Please find parallels with the Irish, I’m fascinated to hear of it. Truth be told, unlike the Jewish the Irish people have genuinelly suffered at the hands of the English over the centuries. Yet they haven’t attempted to elevate their suffering above other peoples or demand special status, or use that suffering as a means to demonize and pull apart the ethnic cultural character of the English.
    No…the Irish are nothing like what you attempt to say.

  111. KhazarCretin's Gravatar KhazarCretin
    October 6, 2011 - 8:37 am | Permalink

    1925 Jewish Encyclopedia, 3rd Edition:

    “Chazars [Khazars]: A people of Turkish origin whose life and history are interwoven with the very beginnings of the history of the Jews of Russia. The kingdom of the Chazars was firmly established in most of South Russia long before the foundation of the Russian monarchy by the Varangians (855).

    Jews have lived on the shores of the Black and Caspian seas since the first centuries of the common era [after the death of Christ]. Historical evidence points to the region of the Ural as the home of the Chazars. Among the classical writers of the Middle Ages they were known as the ‘Chozars,’ ‘Khazirs,’ ‘Akatzirs,’ and ‘Akatirs,’ and in the Russian chronicles as ‘Khwalisses’ and ‘Ugry Byelyye.’…”

    The assertion by KM that Jews are a race/ethnic group going all the way back to ancient Palestine (how did they end up in Europe then? Did the Romans build boats for them?) and not a religious gang with some neanderthal genes is the weak point in his otherwise bulletproof analysis. If I were in his shoes I would revise it to be more in line with the J Bruce Campbell/Benjamin Freedman/Jewish Encyclopedia/Shlomo Sand thesis. Michael Bradley has written extensivel about the neanderthal genes being responsible for the Khazars behavior and his analysis lines up with the previously mentioned sources. I’m tempted to say that KM wishes to maintain that they area separate biological semitic unit so that he can argue that they should remain in Zionist occupied Palestine as the answer to so-called Jewish Question.

  112. October 6, 2011 - 7:51 am | Permalink

    The Old Testament is part of Orthodox Christian piety and teaching.

    However, the Orthodox Church understands the Old Testament as being written by the Church — “the Israel of God” — in a specific dispensation of time prior to the coming of Christ and the institution of the “New Covenant,” that is, the “New Testament.”

    The Old Testament dispensation was a time of warfare and tribal rivalries.

    It was paramount that the “Israel of God” maintained its cultural and racial identity to preserve its “religious” heritage until the advent of the promised Messiah.

    Now that the Messiah had come and instituted the New Testament in the sacrifice of the Eucharist, the “racial” component of the “Israel of God” came to an end.

    The Church, “the Israel of God,” from that time until the present, is to include ALL people and races.

    Thus, it is very important to understand the two DISTINCT dispensations of the Old and New Testaments.

    Otherwise we discard much that we can learn about God’s providence and His dealings with mankind.

    +Brother Nathanael Kapner
    Former Jew, NOW an Orthodox Christian

  113. solly's Gravatar solly
    October 6, 2011 - 7:47 am | Permalink

    To Mari, 5 Oct, 8:01 PM Huh? I thought the Torah was comprised of the first five books of the Old Testament. Not so?

  114. BBC journalist's Gravatar BBC journalist
    October 6, 2011 - 6:43 am | Permalink

    @fading Sunshine

    Out of a population numbering 15 Million, 14,999,987 Jews did not earn any Nobel Prize. It’s the definitive proof one should not draw conclusions about some alleged Jewish genius. This evidence shows how absurd it is to engage in ethnic generalisations as I have successfully demonstrated here.

  115. ethnonationalism's Gravatar ethnonationalism
    October 6, 2011 - 5:41 am | Permalink

    “In later decades Jewish groups would aggressively campaign for massive non-White immigration and they would aggressively establish alliances with non-White ethnic groups, both actions that will ultimately dispossess the traditional people and culture of America and force White Americans to confront a hostile non-White majority, doubtless dominated by the organized Jewish community. Such actions are quite different, for example, from the behavior of Overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia…”

    Yes, but they are similar to the behavior of the Irish minority in Great Britain (the vast majority of Irishmen and people of Irish descent in the UK are leftists), and the Russian minority in the Baltic states etc.

  116. Pre-TSD's Gravatar Pre-TSD
    October 6, 2011 - 12:37 am | Permalink

    Gilad Atzmon in 2 minutes:


    Do not miss the entire panel linked or the adventures of Shmuel Linsky and his wife, Diane.

  117. Hans's Gravatar Hans
    October 5, 2011 - 11:41 pm | Permalink


    Four of the six people who’ve shared Nobel Prizes this week (in physics and medicine) are Jews, with four more prizes still to be announced. My condolences to all on this thread, no doubt Nobel week is always hard for you.

    LOL! If it isn’t “Sunshine” on here again, trying to advance the perennial myth of Jewish “genius.” Give it up. Just because The Tribe has commandeered another institution to award itself prizes is hardly evidence of genius.

    There is no Jewish genius anywhere. All you people have ever done and can ever do is steal. It’s as natural to Jews as breathing is to non-Jews. No less than Bernie Madoff was head of NASD (known for NASDAQ) at one time. Albert Einstein was a plagiarist, thief, and fraud. Ditto for Jonas Salk. Elena Kagan, Alan Dershowitz, the ugly Natalie (Herzlag) Portman being passed off as a “beautiful” actress.

    No Jew invented the light bulb, automobile, airplane, assembly line, transistor, and on and on.

    The fact that you keep trying to sell us your transparent BS reflects poorly on your own intelligence. As the pathologically lying Jew Steven Glass was told, “Quit pitching. It’s over.” If you had any brains, you would spend much more of your time over at SeanHannity.com where there is a much more willing audience. Come to think of it, though, your Tribe already runs that place, so apparently that’s why you’re over here.

  118. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    October 5, 2011 - 11:15 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Fractional Reserve banking has existed since the dawn of civilization. Read “Babylonian Woe” by David Astle. Now available online: http://johnturmel.com/babyl00.htm

  119. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 5, 2011 - 10:24 pm | Permalink

    @Michael Hardesty:
    First of all, I never said that there was a large Nordic presence in the ancient Middle East, but that there was an undeniable Nordic strain, so please do not twist my words.
    Second, denying the unbroken Semitic strain among the Jews, going back to the deserts of the Middle East can only happen to a man who is physically blind or is willfully blind.

    The Semitic type is so radically different from and easily recognizable in Europe that Hardesty would be laughed out of any European country for his mindless assertions, especially from Eastern Europe where Jews lived in large numbers.

    I guess the Semitic facial type so prevalent among Jews in Russia, Poland, Hungary, Germany and so on and so radically different from the local populations came OUT OF THE WILD BLUE YONDER……not the Middle East.
    Yahweh must have dropped them like manna into the Ukraine…from the blue sky.
    The Turkish physical type, which was what the Khazars were, is a lot less different from the European type. Turks rarely have that camel-like Semitic nose and face that makes Jews seem so repulsively ugly to many Europeans.

    Hardesty, I recommend that you take a cold shower.
    If that does not work, they have free tranquilizers and food at the Zoo.

  120. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 5, 2011 - 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Indeed, in 1638 Charles I unilaterally “borrowed” depositors’ gold stored for safekeeping at the Tower of London. This breach of good faith caused merchants to start entrusting their gold elsewhere, ie. goldsmiths. The institution of fractional reserve banking was born of corruption and greed to both Jewish and gentile parents.

  121. mari's Gravatar mari
    October 5, 2011 - 8:01 pm | Permalink

    “The Old Testament lacks all credibility and
    is no guide to anything. Far from an ideology it is a mishmash of various fairy and often quite gory fairy tales.”

    So many protestant christians believe in the old testament.
    They should go to some jewish services or talk to some rabbis.

    Jews pretty much ignore the old testament. It’s bible stories for children. Jewish religious services are readings and prayers from the torah, not the old testament.

    Catholic religious services and catholic doctrine are new testament and deeds, not endless memorizing of old testament stories with empahazise on sex, war and violence.

    Catholic religion is essesntially 5 words. Do good. Do not do evil. Unlike protestants who go on and on about the mythological history of a people who may or may not have even existed middle east 5,000 years ago, Catholics main interest in do good, do not do evil.

    I think the most common verb in the old testament is the word “slay.” As in slay the other tribe.

    Jews pay little attention to the old testament except when soliciting funds for the israel goverment from the naive and gullible christian zionists. Why do protestants worship the collection of lies and myths called the old testament?

  122. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    October 5, 2011 - 7:54 pm | Permalink

    @ Frank Edwin Stone

    Where did you get that 40% figure ?
    The over millennium long Jewish presence in Christan Europe was characterized by on/off state-sanctioned forced conversions; segregation; ghettoization; discrimination; pogroms; expulsions. In other words, the whole shebang.
    During that era the average male life expectancy used to cap @ what 36 ? Numerically, the original Jews who wound up in the so-called Galut weren’t exactly comparable to Han Chinese – if you catch my meaning. Additionally,
    no European Christian would’ve contemplated the prospect of marrying his daughter off to a Jew.
    In light of what I just outlined, how did the Jews manage to dilute their blood line by as much as 40% ?

  123. mari's Gravatar mari
    October 5, 2011 - 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Jews charged 400 percent interest. That is why they were money lenders. This is not anti semitic myth. Heard of the English poet Shelley? He paid 400 percent interest to Jewish moneylenders in early 19th century England.

    His Father disenherited him because the entire estate, about 10 million in today’s pounds would have gone to the money lenders when Shelley’s Father died.

    Ever read any English historical novels or historical records about imprisonment for debt? It was Jewish money lenders who created those laws. it was debt collectors working for the Jewish money lenders who arrested and brought the debtors to the debtors prisons.

  124. mari's Gravatar mari
    October 5, 2011 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

    ” Islam in fact became deeply sectarian with no real concern about ethnicity or race.”

    Arab muslims consider themselves to be superior to all other ethnic groups of muslims The most superior are the Saudis because islam started in Saudi and Mecca and Medina are in Saudi.

    The royal family of Jordan are more elite than the royal family of Saudi because the Hashmenite royals of Jordan were the kings of Saudi Arabia and guardians of Mecca and Medina for a thousand or more years before the upstart Saudi family came along in 1930.

    Islam claims it it totally non racial. But it is.

    The black American nation of islam is not considered to be muslim at all by islamic scholars and theologians. They claim it is because of theological reasons, but actually it is because the NOI is a black organization.

  125. Sam Wydch's Gravatar Sam Wydch
    October 5, 2011 - 6:35 pm | Permalink

    ^ “The Jews were forced to be usurers allied with oppressive feudal lords because they weren’t Christian and had no other options.”

    This claim has been extensively debunked. Jews were allowed to trade, be merchants, manage estates and collect taxes, not to mention convert to Christianity or move on to non-Christian lands. No one forced them to become moneylenders allied with oppressive feudal lords. Historically, Jews eagerly and voluntarily assumed this role, and sometimes the guilty and innocent alike suffered the consequences.

  126. October 5, 2011 - 5:10 pm | Permalink

    “Throughout history, Jews have always been an elite, typically making alliances with non-Jewish elites and often collaborating in oppression of the peoples dominated by the elites.”

    Perhaps some context is needed here. The “elites” in many cases were monarchs or other titled individuals. These “elites” were under the thumb of the Roman Catholic Church, which declared that, what we know today as banking, was forbidden to Christians. Jews filled the void nicely. They held the gold (and often lent it at interest without consent of the owner), and collected taxes for a fee. The elite wanted the taxes, and weren’t necessarily concerned with the method of collection. Thus, the elites were able to be “devout” Christians.

    As for the genetics thing, this article
    claims 40% of Ashkenazi Jews can be traced to 4 women. If Khazaria converted, it is entirely possible that these women intermarried with Khazars. Orthodox Jews are known to have large families. If each if these women had 10 children, and each of the children had 10 children the 40% would be easily achievable.

  127. Michael Hardesty's Gravatar Michael Hardesty
    October 5, 2011 - 2:44 pm | Permalink

    What’s wrong here is that your discussion of Koestler and Sand is very unsatisfactory. Rather than reinvent the wheel here I have referred readers to both books, particularly the more comprehensive and up to date Sand’s work. As an academic he has the time, money and motivation to do the detailed research.
    Rather than continue to trade assertions I have given my references. Other readers may have a different interpretation
    than Professor MacDonald.

  128. October 5, 2011 - 2:42 pm | Permalink

    @Michael Hardesty,

    Please read this interview in which Sand discloses his socialist agenda.

    I’m agnostic about his racial arguments either way, but Sand’s socialism doesn’t do his case any good, and in fact undermines it because he indeed may be pursuing a larger political agenda with his work.

    I think both Sand and Atzmon are brutally honest with the Jewish people in terms of unmasking their deceit, which is welcome, and they might even truly believe there is no Semitic-Jewish racial line, but if they’re socialists, they’re still tools of Zionist Jewry.

    Atzmon rightly complains that Jewish leftists are self-serving, “humanitarian” frauds, and that Zionists are trying to destroy Islamic civilization, but international socialists are trying to destroy Western civilization AND Islamic civilization, and they often partner with Jewry to do it.

    I think the problem with nearly ALL Jews is that they truly are convinced they are intellectually superior, either individually or collectively, and should be ruling the world one way or the other. Socialism is a back door manifestation of that kind of thinking, whereas Zionism is too obvious.

    Atzmon and Sand don’t like the morality of Zionism, but what of the morality of Fabian socialist megalomaniacs?

    I say, good for Atzmon and Sand and Philip Weiss for helping unmask the fraudulence of organized Jewry and its puffed up pretenses, but I’m skeptical of any larger socialist agenda they may have.

    I’m less skeptical of Atzmon than the other two, because he himself has suggested that even Weiss is a Jewish supremacist, and consequently a humanitarian fraud, so Atzmon may be well on his way to becoming a Christian.

  129. October 5, 2011 - 2:02 pm | Permalink

    @Jim Bowie: “I just think referencing Jewish conquests in the name of God aren’t all that ethnically unique in history.”

    Agreed, but only Jewry demands the right to thieve, coerce and subvert Whites and their governments to underwrite their conequests, and even that those governments send their people to enforce Jewish conquest.

    I suppose one could argue that if Whites are stupid enough to turn themselve into an inferior caste, subjugated below Jewry, they deserve what they get. Unfortunately, those Whites with this inferiority complex want to drag the rest of us down with them, and force us to underwrite our own subjugation by Jewry.

    Whether “liberal” or Judeo-Chrisitan “conservative,” these kinds of ignorant Whites might even be more dangerous than Jewry, because they act as a bodyguard for its theft and lies, and prevent others from dealing with the problem, or even identifying it.

  130. October 5, 2011 - 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Dear SunShine:

    Is there ethnic nepotism in getting work in the hard sciences? Getting funding? How different is it than being a mechanic or a bookkeeper?


    From Dr. Michio Kaku’s BLOG: 

    As I said, physicists do not become scientists for the money, so I don’t want to downplay the financial problems that you may face. In fact, many superstring theorists who could not get faculty jobs went to Wall Street (where they were incorrectly called “rocket scientists”). This may mean leaving the field. However, for the diehards who wish to do physics in spite of a bad job market, you may plan to have a “fall-back” job to pay the bills (e.g. programming) while you conduct research on your own time.

    If you want to become a research physicist or professor, you must get a Ph.D., which usually involves 4 to 5 years (sometimes more), and involves publishing original research. (This is not as daunting as it may seem, since usually this means finding a thesis advisor, who will simply assign you a research problem or include you in their experimental work.) Funding a Ph.D. is also not as hard as it seems, since a professor will usually have a grant or funding from the department to support you at a rate of about $12,000 per year or more. Compared to English or history graduate students, physics graduate students have a very cushy life.

    Einstein also said that behind every great theory there is a simple physical picture that even lay people can understand. In fact, he said, if a theory does not have a simple underlying picture, then the theory is probably worthless. The important thing is the physical picture; math is nothing but bookkeeping.




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  131. Michael Hardesty's Gravatar Michael Hardesty
    October 5, 2011 - 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Dr. MacDonald, you are literally projecting here as your comments really apply to yourself.
    I suggest readers read the earlier The Thirteenth Tribe by the great scholar Arthur Koestler and then read the more up to date book, The Invention Of The Jewish People by Shlomo Sand.
    There was a tremendous amount of intermarriage in the ancient Roman world and there never has been a coherent Jewish People. The Old Testament lacks all credibility and
    is no guide to anything. Far from an ideology it is a mishmash of various fairy and often quite gory fairy tales.
    Furthermore the practice of Jewish communities in the Diaspora varied, it was never a monolith.
    Sand and others have precisely investigated the genetic claims and have poked gigantic holes in them.
    That anti-Zionists continue to parody the basic premise of Zionist ideology undermines them from the start.
    To claim that critics of the pure Jewish race are the ones motivated by ideology is the exact opposite of the situation.
    The ‘entire history of the Jews’ turns out to be a much more complicated matter than is commonly thought.
    There was not Jewish internal pressure not to intermarry for many centuries during and following the Roman Empire. For a long time Judaism was a proselytizing religion.
    It was the Christians who largely closed that down.
    Today in the so-called Diaspora intermarriage is more the rule than the exception.
    I can see why in the light of Dr. MacDonald’s three major books on the Jews why he’s so upset about the refutation of the pure single race thesis but that hardly refutes Sand and other critics of same.

  132. October 5, 2011 - 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Dear SunShine:

    The implication here for your readers misunderstanding is that anti-Semitism is the result of Jewish intellect. Historically it has been as a result of resource competition, belief in a moral and intellectual superiority and a fierce policy of non assimilation with the host countries which initially offered you admittance with friendliness. Anti-Semitism is not in any way a mental illness.

    Western Civilization is a European-white accomplishment and Judaism has always been an appendage. Not the other way around.

    We are a better world today because Western Civilization took the road to Athens over the road to Jerusalem.

    As long as we’re playing with racism and stereotypes, where do Jews rank in the greed and power scale? Or the bad landlord scale? Or the cause of social inequality, war and exploitation of lesser people scale?


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    Editorial Director
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  133. Brahms's Gravatar Brahms
    October 5, 2011 - 1:14 pm | Permalink

    There seems to be the usual blurrring of the other faction of Western Jew (mentioned were the Israeli Zionists, Western Leftist Zionists, and Neocons who are not Left IMO). The third group is the Western Leftist Intellectual anti-Zionists (Noam Chomsky types) found both in New York and Tel Aviv – their influence is not insignificant and in fact dominates the universities. Although they do support anti-Israeli views (Israel is an apartheid state, etc.), they, more importantly, support the greater threat to White homogeneity – Cultural Marxism and Multiculturalism. It is folly for pro-Europeans to continue to focus on Zionism; Zionism is an issue with foreign policy (no small problem) but has nothing to do with the end-of-the-world problem of dwindling white influence in our own countries – Immigration. The Jewish Left ideology is in direct conflict with Zionism and they won’t be able to hide this reality forever – watch.

  134. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 5, 2011 - 12:59 pm | Permalink


    “You people literally want to persecute and kill the most talented and productive people on earth. ”

    Someone’s been posting negative comments about Germans on here?

  135. Brother Francis's Gravatar Brother Francis
    October 5, 2011 - 12:42 pm | Permalink

    @Sunshine: Nobel Prizes are awarded by a Swedish committee, but candidates are chosen from nominations supplied by various specialists from the world at large, ie academic specialists and previous Nobelists. The Nobel committee is strongly influenced by the laureates from other prestigiuous prizes, such as the Albert Lasker Award in American medicine. These forums supply ample opportunity for indirect influence of the prizes, with regard of what and whom to honor. I’m sure most Jews have deserved their Nobel Prizes, but there have been some funny cases–Prusiner for “prions” for example.

  136. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 5, 2011 - 11:59 am | Permalink

    The book “The Cross of Bethlehem: The Memoirs of a Refugee” – is story of a Israeli military officer, Roy Tov, who converted to Christianity while caught in the crosshairs between a country that demands total obedience, even if that means firing on rock-throwing women and children, and following his conscience. In reality, it’s a story of a person who learned the evilness of Zionism first hand while living in Jewish kibbutz built on land stolen from native Palestinian.


  137. October 5, 2011 - 11:57 am | Permalink

    @Frank Edwin Stone:
    “The Jews are a people with a Semitic racial core, but not pure Semites.”

    Yes, and no. This article, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1336798/ states that 40% of Askenazim are descended from 4 women. It is entirely conceivable (no pun) that these 4 women were Jews daughters of the rabbis that came to convert the Khazars. I have seen Orthodox Jews with many children. It is said that in Israel, they are a drain on the economy as they refuse to work, but have large families upwards of 6-8 children. Four women with 10 children having 10 children, expands the descendants at a fairly rapid pace.

  138. Michael Hardesty's Gravatar Michael Hardesty
    October 5, 2011 - 11:21 am | Permalink

    Stone, you are dead wrong and have been refuted at length by Shlomo Sand in The Invention Of The Jewish People which Michael Santomauro quoted enough excerpts to give you a flavor of the thesis. There is no direct link at all between the ancient Hebrews and the modern Ashkenazim Jews.
    You admit that the so-called Jewish gene pool is greatly intermixed with other tribes over the centuries but you overemphasize the European component and greatly understate the Asiatic component. Most of the intermarriage has come from other tribes in the Middle East and lastly the huge Khazar conversion.
    Your comments on Ramses is a nonsequitur as is your absurd contention that there is a large Nordic genetic element in the Middle East.
    Biblical descriptions of anything are inherently untrustworthy since the whole enterprise was a scam that was concocted by different people over many centuries. Engels correctly described them as a recycling of ancient Arabian tales.
    Shlomo is right, MacDonald and you are wrong.
    Santomauro, thanks also for your brilliant dissection of the
    Jewish Supremacist assertions of Sunshine. Since the Nazis didn’t kill all those Jews, what accounts for the lack of cures that he bemoans ?
    We have given Israel a quarter trillion in stolen US tax funds since 1967 and Israeli-encouraged wars since 1991 have cost the US 4-5 trillion more. An Ayn Rand wannabe, George Gilder, whom Rand repudiated thirty years ago publicly, wrote a stupid book called The Israel Test claiming Israel was a model of free enterprise. An Israeli Professor writing in the neocon The National Interest tore Gilder’s thesis and wrote that no one in Israel could pass the Israel Test !
    Gore was given the Nobel for his global warming nonsense so that proves the exact of that award even in science.
    A bunch of Scandinavian Socialists give out awards to their fellow collectivsts, ML King, Willy Brandt, Kissinger, North Vietnamese thug, ad nauseum.
    Final point is that the only major Jewish philosopher, Spinoza, was excommunicated from Jewry.
    All the creative Jews like him, Rand, Chomsky, Trotsky, Rothbard etc., were all anti-Jewish Jews.
    Einstein was a cultural Zionist but ooposed to political Zionism. Only the mediocrities have remained as loyal members of the tribe.

  139. realist's Gravatar realist
    October 5, 2011 - 10:44 am | Permalink

    Something odd about an passionate ethnonationalist (MacDonald) calling another people’s ethnonationalism “pathological.” Doesn’t this make Macdonald guilty of the same crime he accuses Jews of, namely shameless hypocrisy? In places where whites are a minority and hated (South Africa, San Fernando Valley, Detroit, etc..), wouldn’t Macdonald counsel the same sort of ethnonationalism and anti-majoritarianism that he, as well as this extreme anti-racist and universalist named Atzmon, excoriates when practiced by Jews? Two logical positions for a white nationalist as I see it: call for Jewish/white separation with a Jewish homeland elsewhere. Which raises all kinds of practical not to mention moral problems. The biggest one is that efforts on these lines will increase Jewish opposition to white self-assertion ONE THOUSAND FOLD. The other option is to accept the idea that most Jews are basically white liberals and pro-white ethnonationalists should treat them the same way they would treat white liberals. And that the exception to this liberalism among Jews-support for Israel-provides convenient ground for an alliance with white nationalists against their common enemy, “the rising tide of color.” Guillaume Faye is right: anti-semitism no longer serves the interest of white self-assertion. in fact it plays into the hands of the universalists.

    October 5, 2011 - 10:11 am | Permalink

    We are ANONYMOUS

    We are Legion. We are pervasive.

    Everyone is trying to solve a “race problem” by flooding ALL White countries and ONLY White countries with tens of millions of non-Whites, integrating and assimilating White people into oblivion.

    Multi-racial integration and assimilation is extermination: It’s GENOCIDE

    Anti-racism is just a code word for anti-White.

    We never forget. We never forgive.

    Expect us.

  141. Mickey Meaduows's Gravatar Mickey Meaduows
    October 5, 2011 - 8:18 am | Permalink


    You speak of brilliant Jewish scientists and speak of the Jewish being the most talented people on earth. Are you willing to acknowledge genius of other peoples or only the Jewish. About 95% of all inventions and discoveries of note have come from White gentiles. Do you acknoledge this?
    White gentile society produced the Englightenment, the Scientific and medical revolutions and the Industrial revolution. Do you acknowledge this genius?

    The Jewish genius has punched above its weight in the last 100 years or so, no doubt about. But the White gentile accomplishment is on a whole different level, because they actually invented the paradigm of Science itself and made it into a reality within a society. Do you acknowledge this?

    White genties have produced more than 90% of classical literature, and the great majority of the world’s art. White gentiles invented classical music and all the musical instruments. They produced opera, ballet and all the major performing arts. White gentile accomplishment is literally incomparable…on a whole different level. Do you acknowledge any of this about White gentiles?

    Or are we supposed to be suitably bowled over by a great performance of Jewish scientists, within the Western paradigm, over the past 100 years?

  142. Jim Bowie's Gravatar Jim Bowie
    October 5, 2011 - 7:40 am | Permalink

    @Sunshine: None of the articles on this site advocate persecuting anyone or harming anyone. You are getting the wrong idea and making associations that aren’t there. The articles discuss White interests, articles, and culture. Along with that there is a discussion of Jewish influence in the West and its impact on White interests. That’s it.

    The issue of Jewish IQ is discussed routinely, with an acknowledgement that it is a little higher than the White average (at least certain dimensions of IQ), although there seems to be some controversy on exactly what the difference is. But anyway, there are tons of articles on here that discuss those issues.

    And don’t confuse the odd post here and there in the comments section with being representative of the site. Pretty much anybody and post anything, and well you know what YouTube comment section is like.

  143. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    October 5, 2011 - 6:37 am | Permalink

    @Sunshine: What if such brilliance was organized and applied to the destruction of Western Civilization?

    You people literally want to persecute and kill the most talented and productive people on earth.

    You project your inborn genocidal tendencies upon Whites. We would much rather just live in peace if that were possible. You, on the other hand, cannot rest until you have destroyed all.

  144. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    October 5, 2011 - 6:28 am | Permalink

    @Rehmat: The Talmud started out as an oral tradition. It was written down starting in the second century, mostly by rabbis living the city of Babylon. The Talmudic oral tradition certainly existed during the time of Christ and was directly condemned by Him: “You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” Mark 7:8

  145. Sunshine's Gravatar Sunshine
    October 5, 2011 - 6:14 am | Permalink

    Sorry, these are science prizes the Jews are winning. The Peace Prize is awarded by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, which polls government officials, former winners, academics, etc. The science prizes are awarded by scientific institutions in Sweden that poll thousands of scientists in the relevant fields around the world. So no politics, just brilliant Jewish scientists. By the way, an Israeli just won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry, so now it’s five Jews winning or sharing prizes in medicine, physics, and chemistry just this week. You people literally want to persecute and kill the most talented and productive people on earth. Just think, if the Nazis had not murdered all those Jews, what cures for disease and other scientific advances mankind would already have.

  146. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 5, 2011 - 5:37 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    The Nobel peace prize was about non use (or abuse) of military power. It changed to reflect Norwegian foreign policy goals like allegiance to the US and NATO etc.

  147. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 5, 2011 - 5:36 am | Permalink


    Thats what happens when you climb on a superpower ship. You get all the good breeze.

  148. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 5, 2011 - 4:56 am | Permalink

    @Abe Goldstein:

    You say you hate blacks. Why the hate? I don’t hate any race of human or any other species. I don’t see the word hate mentioned here very often.
    Associating hatred to the positive case for valuing continuity of ones own race and culture, is to weaken and discredit the latter with the former.

  149. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 5, 2011 - 2:58 am | Permalink

    @Sunshine: When Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize, that communicated all that needed to be said about the political nature of those awards.

  150. October 5, 2011 - 2:49 am | Permalink

    Dear Sunshine:
    Israel has been the BIGGEST welfare state in the history of humanity! 

    Using the year 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $3 trillion in 2002 dollars (PRESENT VALUE SCALE). If divided by today’s population, that is more than $11,400 per American citizen that has sent his money to Israel in taxes. This is an amount almost four times greater than the cost of the Vietnam war, also in 2002 dollars. 

    Israel has never been self-supporting. It has always required massive subsidies from the outside – above all from the United States. In addition, Germany and other European states and companies have paid out many billions in “restitution,” and wealthy Jewish communities, especially in the US, have provided tax-deductable substantial financial assistance-“a net drain” on the USA economy. 

    –US Jewish charities and organizations have remitted grants or bought Israel bonds worth $60 billion. Though private in origin, the money is “a net drain” on the United States economy. 

    –US help, financial and technical, has enabled Israel to become a major weapons supplier. Weapons make up almost half of Israel’s manufactured exports. US defense contractors often resent the buy-Israel requirements and the extra competition subsidized by US taxpayers. 

    — US policy and trade sanctions reduce US exports to the Middle East about $5 billion a year, costing 70,000 or so American jobs. Not requiring Israel to use its US aid to buy American goods, as is usual in foreign aid, costs another 125,000 jobs. 

    Israel was founded on terrorism, massacres, ethnic cleansing and the dispossession of its native Palestinian population. Even now it violates international law, inflicts a harsh collective punishment on the civilian population of Gaza, and continues to deny Palestinians their human and national rights. In accord with its Jewish supremacist ideology, Israel’s discrimination against non-Jews is systematic and institutional. It is the only country in the region that occupies territory of its neighbors, that refuses to define its borders, and which possesses a large and illegal arsenal of nuclear weapons. 

    Even as a Jewish sanctuary, Israel cannot be regarded as a success. Jews are less safe and secure in Israel than almost anywhere else in the world. The great majority of Jews in the world have preferred not to live in “their” country. 

    Around the world, including the United States, loathing of Israel is widespread and steadily mounting. In Asia and Europe, political and business leaders increasingly regard Israel and its policies as harmful to global order and stability. 

    Regional demographic trends are also important. In Israel and its occupied territories, the Arab population is growing at a faster rate than the Jewish population, and within 20 years non-Jews will almost certainly be the majority. 

    Very few persons in 1985 foresaw the collapse six years later of the mighty and seemingly solid Soviet Union. But its end was predictable because it was an essentially artificial entity based on an inhumane and impractical ideology. Although Israel is a formidable military power, it is an aberrant, crisis-prone state, artificially kept alive with outside support, and based on an unworkable ideology. 

    Given its artificial character and built-in problems, as well as global political-economic and regional demographic trends, Israel’s future in the next 60 years is not bright. 

    Start reading DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST in under a minute: http://tinyurl.com/3f8h874


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  151. Sunshine's Gravatar Sunshine
    October 5, 2011 - 2:26 am | Permalink

    Four of the six people who’ve shared Nobel Prizes this week (in physics and medicine) are Jews, with four more prizes still to be announced. My condolences to all on this thread, no doubt Nobel week is always hard for you.

  152. Henry's Gravatar Henry
    October 5, 2011 - 2:21 am | Permalink

    Great job Dr. MacDonald. Keep up the great work. I think it’s high time Whites, or at least racially aware Whites, start vitiating the oppressive Jewish culture in the West and exposing the neocons for what they really are. Think tanks should be formed if they aren’t already and we need more people pouring over everything any Jew has ever written.

  153. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 5, 2011 - 2:07 am | Permalink


    It existed during Jesus time but was not written down. The reference that Jesus talked about regarding the cleanliness is a direct refernce to the Talmud. The Koranist are not Ahmedist. The Koranist are the Mutaziltes of the past. They rejected the oral traditions outright making them differ with Muslims in over 90% of religious issues. All the sects in Islam like the Sunnis, Shias, Zaidis, Ismaelis, Ahmedis and Allawites do not consider the Koranist as Muslims as all these sects have their own traditions. Rival Meccan clans fighting for power . Its basically a larger and more diverse brand of Judaism. Its size made ethnocentrism impossible so Islam evolved to be deeply sectarian. But this Islam is not considered by historians (secular historians) to be a representation of the Muhamedan legacy but they see it as a later devolopment. Only recently did the oral traditions gather favor in the West because its easy to critique than the Koran. You can see this in Ayaan Ali’s writing and Wafa Sultan and Richard Spencer and Geert Wilders. The rely heavily on Muslim oral traditions like Bukhari’s collection to attack Islam.

    Chris Moore,

    Its all how you read it based on faith and non faith. A non Believer would not read the Old Testament like a believer do. However my goal here is to highlight that today’s Judaism is a function of the Pharisaic tradition and not the Old Testament. In this I differ with Macdonald who sees the Talmud and the Tanakh as one. They to me are RADICALLY different. But I still believe an understanding of Islam is necessary to understand Judaism. Especially for a Christian audience.

    These two religions are identical.

  154. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 5, 2011 - 1:36 am | Permalink

    “I fully believe that Whites cannot psychologically free themselves from the Judaization without dropping their Christian identity.”

    Identity and heritage are good. Much better to get regenerated Christian identity with elucidation of Christianity’s obvious roots in Indian Vedanta and Yoga. Then Christians can also discover the racialism (racial values) that are also present in their own spiritual Aryan heritage. Not oven one beautiful Christian church should be lost or given up.

  155. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 5, 2011 - 12:43 am | Permalink

    @Jarvis Dingle-Daden:
    The 4 million bodies were vaporized by the same 9/11 jet-fuel that turned countless thousand of tons of structural steel into nano-particles, to float away over New Jersey.

  156. October 5, 2011 - 12:06 am | Permalink

    The musical genius of Gilad Atzmon (even KMD started out as a musician before becoming a shrink) has accomplished a masterpiece in prose and thought that boggles one’s mind. I know you will agree. It is a must read!!

    Excerpts from the book:

    “The `Jewish people’ is a made-up notion, consisting of an imaginary past with very little to back it up forensically, historically or textually.

    “Nor has much been found in the Sinai Desert to prove the story of the legendary Egyptian exodus – apparently 3 million Hebrew men, women and children marched there for forty years without leaving a single Matzo Ball behind.

    “Jews do not have a common origin, that their Semitic origins are a myth. Jews have no origin in Palestine whatsoever, and therefore their act of so-called `return’ must be realised as pretext for a tribal expansionist invasion.

    “If Shlomo Sand is correct, then the Jews, rather than being a race, comprise a collective of many people who have been hijacked by a national movement based on myths.

    “If Jews are not a race and have nothing to do with Semitism, then `anti-Semitism’ is, categorically, an empty signifier. In other words, criticism of Jewish nationalism, Jewish lobbying and Jewish power can only be realised as a legitimate critique of ideology, politics and practice.

    “Professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz, a Latvian-born philosopher at the Hebrew University, was probably first to suggest that the Holocaust has become the new Jewish religion.

    “This new religion is coherent enough to define its `antichrists’ (Holocaust deniers), and powerful enough to persecute them (through Holocaust denial and hate-speech laws).

    “The Holocaust religion serves both right and left Jewish political discourse, but it appeals to the goyim as well, especially those who preach and advocate killing in the name of `freedom’, democracy and `moral interventionism’.

    “That which maintains the Jewish collective identity is fear.

    “To be a Jew is to see a threat in every Goy, to be on a constant alert.

    “…whatever is good for the Jews is simply good.

    “The Jewish population in the UK is 280,000 or 0.46 per cent. There are 650 seats in the House of Commons so, as a proportion, Jewish entitlement is only three seats. With 24 seats Jews are eight times over-represented. Which means, of course, that other groups must be under-represented, including Muslims. If Muslims, for instance, were over-represented to the same extent as the Jews (i.e. eight times) they’d have 200 seats. All hell would break loose.

    “Jewish history engages with the basic question of whether a given account is `good for the Jews’ or not.

    “The dismissal of factuality or lack of commitment to truthfulness are actually symptomatic of contemporary Jewish collective ideology and identity politic.

    “In the Jewish intellectual insular world, one first decides what the historic moral is, then one invents `a past’ to fit.

    “As long as we fail to ask questions, we will be subjected to Zionist lobbies and their plots. We will continue killing in the name of Jewish suffering. We will maintain our complicity in Western imperialist crimes.

    “With millions of besieged Palestinians, Israel has given itself the reputation of a pariah state.

    “How is it that, in spite of the Holocaust, Israel and Jewish lobbies invest so much energy in evoking hatred towards enemies of Israel and world Jewry?

    “…envisage an horrific situation in which an Israeli so-called `pre-emptive’ nuclear attack on Iran escalates into a disastrous nuclear war, in which tens of millions of people perish.

  157. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    October 4, 2011 - 11:59 pm | Permalink

    As one famous Amos once quipped, “How odd of God to choose the Jews”.

  158. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    October 4, 2011 - 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Hardesty is never wrong. Just ask him.

  159. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 4, 2011 - 11:36 pm | Permalink

    @Michael Hardesty:

    McDonald is right and you are wrong.
    There indeed is a straight line from the Middle Eastern Hebrews to modern Jews, albeit the race could not be maintained in its pure form.
    In spite of conversions, from the Khazars, down to present day Yisrael Campbell, mixed babies through mass rapes as after the Bogdan Hmelnicky rebellion and ever more intermarriages, the core of the Jews is Semitic to this day.
    That there is almost 40% Aryan and other European genes in the Jewish gene pool is a fact.
    Even the original Hebrews were not purely Semitic, but mostly Semitic.
    David for example was described as ruddy, fair.

    There was also a Nordic strain present in the ancient Near East from the very beginning. The ancient Libyans were blond.
    So were many Egyptians of the ruling class. Ramses II comes immediately to mind. The Guanches on the Canary Islands represent the westernmost reach of this strain of Aryan types, id one discounts the same strain among the Inca ruling class and the Easter and Marquesas Islanders.
    Palestine was also invaded by the Cimmerians, the Sea Peoples, and the Persians, way before it was conquered by the Greeks.

    The Jews are a people with a Semitic racial core, but not pure Semites.

  160. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    October 4, 2011 - 9:33 pm | Permalink

    The New Testament gave us exquisite morality.

    That is the sort of a line the likes of Shmuley Boteach (late Michael Jackson’s ‘spiritual advisor’) love to peddle. Albeit worded a bit differently.
    What the dynamic duo of traveling Hebraic salesmen Peter and Paul had been ale to accomplish is plant the seeds of Guilt, Shame, Confusion, Paranoia and Doubt in the lands populated by happy-go-lucky pagans. Not having to have the tip of your ding dong mutilated must’ve been a major selling point aimed @ sceptical non-Jews unsure whether to embrace Judaism Lite i.e. Christianity brought forth by those two.
    As far as the studies of Judaic genetics are concerned, I’d advise everybody to exercise caution and have a bargeful of salt anchored nearby.
    In that we’ve seen this movie countless number of times, when some tribal outfit of theirs commissions a study in which the findings end up being tailored up to a desired outcome.
    Apparently I oughta overlook the fact that Sumner Redstone’s daughter Shari could pass off as Mother Mongolia, or that her Ashkenazi co-ethnics sharing similar physical appearance number in the tens, if not, hundreds of thousands.


    BTW, I once read an ‘authoritative study’ by a pair of Judaic ‘researchers’ where it was ‘proved with numbers’ that Germans had, in fact, murdered and disposed (read: disappeared without trace) of 4 million Jewish inmates of Auschwitz. All of that in under 36 months !

  161. Abe Goldstein's Gravatar Abe Goldstein
    October 4, 2011 - 9:17 pm | Permalink

    @Sanjay: Well put – I would forbid my daughter to marry a black person – other Jews feel the same way. To admit it begins the slippery slope towards being unable to use the sword of racism, so we (most of us) keep quiet about it. You people know my feelings towards blacks, though. I hate them.

  162. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 4, 2011 - 9:16 pm | Permalink

    In May 2011 – Gilad Atzmon had put together the panel which included Alan Hart, British author and ME specialist, Karl Sabbagh, British author and TV producer and Sameh Habib, a young founder and editor of the online newspaper The Palestine Telegraph.


  163. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 4, 2011 - 9:12 pm | Permalink

    LOL – Talmud did not exist during Jesus time. It was the Torah (Old Testament).

    There are no Koranist Muslims. You’re confused with Ahmedia sect created by British imperialists in India – as they created Bahaism in Persia.

  164. No Zog's Gravatar No Zog
    October 4, 2011 - 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Great Review Kevin and more than well done to Atzmon .Thankyou . The European People (and perhaps all the worlds peoples) don’t seem to understand what a dangerous philosophy/religion the Holocaust has become . How can they ? The Zionist controlled media and the indoctrinated have banished any any discourse .

    It stands along side the worst of Marxist clap-trap that the unbalanced and the fanatic ( Abe Foxman etc ) and their University indoctrinated (and enforced) adherents are using to persecute those , all and any , who don’t follow correct ceremonial etiquette when dealing with human ethnicity . Its is this tip of the wedge of racism that is keep permanently hammered in by leftwing bureaucracies , that endorse hypocritical dealing between people under the endless vista of ‘discrimination’ , that inevitably leeds to a low level ETHNIC WAR , thus we will then have to have the ADL & ADC as race police to administer . Sinister , selfish self serving shysters . The persecution of David Irving was the turning point for me . Jews are out of control lead by the Zionist shysters and their Mason toadies .
    The Zionist and lackyies are destroying 400 years of Western Political evolution in the blink of an eye and tearing apart European built and controlled societies with their sociological engineering that falls down on the simplest inspection (just like Communism ) : Take a look in the mirror stupid .
    It seems to me that the Zionist/Mason matrix are deliberately turning multiculturalism into a religion (by eduction & media indoctrination) and persecuting any who won’t worship at this alter . But it is a religion that requires a surveillance society to administer. Anyone for the USSR ?
    I imagine in their grandiose visions the super rich and the ‘lieutenants ‘ , they see themselves speeding up inevitable evolution and redistributing the fruits of the earth to all the human people (animals) .
    In reality what we have is a load of super rich self appointed people who believe in lots of ‘theories’ about how people should live and they misuse their power to give them selves something to do , to justify their existence. If the last hundred years doesn’t repudiate the super rich and their bad behavior what can ? Only we the people . Have I got off the track ?

  165. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 4, 2011 - 7:54 pm | Permalink

    @Chris Moore:

    “Fender and anti-Christian White nationalists want a complete and utter break with “silly hebraic nonsense” mainly so Whites can have their own identity, but as I see it, the reason Whites took to Christianity the way they did was because Jesus himself broke with silly eastern tribal nonsense, hence Christianity was a natural fit for both the Greco-Roman Empire and the overall White mentality (a mentality that is possibly a consequence of cold climate evolutionary forces, I think MacDonald has written).”

    Whites took to Christianity for the same reason they took to multiculturalism and marxism: because they were told to. They were told they were fundamentally evil and that salvation lay in accepting Christ…exactly how marxists tell us Whites are fundamentally evil and that salvation lies in destroying ourselves through multiculturalism. Guilt-tripping is guilt-tripping, whether it’s in the 1st century or the 21st cenutry.

  166. Jim Bowie's Gravatar Jim Bowie
    October 4, 2011 - 7:39 pm | Permalink

    @Chris Moore: By the way, I am not denying Jewish culpability for various crimes, I’m saying that taking land and removing people from their lands in the name of some God doesn’t seem to be a exclusively Jewish trait.

  167. Jim Bowie's Gravatar Jim Bowie
    October 4, 2011 - 7:27 pm | Permalink

    @Chris Moore: You said:

    For example, in the Bible, the Hebrews made their way to the Levant, looked around, liked what they saw, and all of a sudden declared that God gave them a deed to the place, so anyone already there had to leave or be killed.

    Jewish Zionists pulled the same scam again in the early 1900’s.

    But wouldn’t people on the other side say this pretty much describes human behavior, not merely Jewish behavior? Didn’t the Whites that came to North America say the same thing? Or the Spaniards in South America? Or the Aryan invasions of India long ago?

    And it isn’t just White groups, the various Native American tribes had been conquering and reconquering land from each other, often with a spiritual sense of self-righteousness, for thousands of years. Same thing in Africa and Asia. I just think referencing Jewish conquests in the name of God aren’t all that ethnically unique in history.

  168. October 4, 2011 - 7:06 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo: “Old Testament is filled with condemnation of the Jews”

    Sure there’s a lot of anti-Jewishness in the Old Testament. There’s also a lot of glorification of Jewish theft, swindle, deceit, perversion, murder and treachery. It all depends on how one wants to read it, and what one wants to see.

    Think of it this way: there was all kinds of glorification of theft, swindle, deceit, perversion, murder and treachery in Greek mythology, yet what Westerners took from the Greeks was their science, rationalism, ethics and intellectualism. The rest is just interesting literature.

    The New Testament gave us exquisite morality. Do we really need to elevate the Old Testament to par with the New, which is just a recipe for schizophrenia, Jew-glorifying multi-culturalism, and Judeo Christian Zionist useful idiots?

  169. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 4, 2011 - 6:46 pm | Permalink


    Its the same package. Jews diplacing Palis in Israel and displacing Whites in America. Same package.

    Chrsi Moore,

    There is too much anti Israelite passages and anti Israelites condemnations in the Old Testament for it to be a “Jewish agenda”. Which is why the Jews had to spin it. It was nevr really a representation of the community and the Old Testament is written by believers.

    Talmud is theirs.

    Old Testament is filled with condemnation of the Jews meanwhile lets see what the Talmud says. Nothing but praise.

    You need to be very subtle to tell the difference. I always believed to understand Judaism you must understand Islam first. You really can’t talk about Judaism without Islam and vice versa as they are structured the same.

    Because Christians come from a different religious tradition, this dual revelation religions are confusing to them. I will quote Bernard lazare, a famous zionist pioneer and his take on anti-semitism.

    “Everywhere they wanted to remain Jews, and everywhere they were granted the privilege of establishing a State within the State. By virtue of these privileges and exemptions, and immunity from taxes, they would soon rise above the general condition of the citizens of the municipalities where they resided; they had better opportunities for trade and accumulation of wealth, whereby they excited jealousy and hatred. Thus, Israel’s attachment to its law was one of the first causes of its unpopularity, whether because it derived from that law benefits and advantages which were apt to excite envy, or because it prided itself upon the excellence of its Torah and considered itself above and beyond other peoples. Still had the Israelites adhered to pure Mosaism, they could, doubtless, at some time in their history, have so modified that Mosaism as to retain none but the religious and metaphysical precepts; possibly, if they had no other sacred book but the Bible they might have merged in the nascent church, which enlisted its first followers among the Sadducees, the Essenes, and the Jewish proselytes. One thing prevented that fusion and upheld the existence of the Hebrews among the nations; it was the growth of the Talmud, the authority and rule of the doctors who taught a pretended tradition. The policy of the doctors to which we shall return further made of the Jews sullen beings, unsociable and haughty, of whom Spinoza, who knew them well, could say: “It is not at all surprising that after being scattered for so many years they have preserved their identity without a government of their own, for, by their external rites, contrary to those of other nations, as well as by the sign of circumcision, they have isolated themselves from all other nations, even to the extent of drawing upon themselves the hate of all mankind.”6 Man’s aim on earth, said the doctors, is the knowledge and observance of the law, and one cannot thoroughly observe it without denying allegiance to all but the true law. The Jew who followed these precepts isolated himself from the rest of mankind; he retrenched himself behind the fences which had been erected around the Torah by Ezra and the first scribes,7 later by the Pharisees and the Talmudists, the successors of Ezra, reformers of primitive Mosaism and enemies or the prophets. He isolated himself, not merely by declining to submit to the customs which bound together the inhabitants of the countries where he settled, but also by shunning all intercourse with the inhabitants themselves. To his unsociability the Jew added exclusiveness. With the law, yet without Israel to put it into practice, the world could not exist, God would turn it back into nothing; nor will the world know happiness until it be brought under the universal domination of that law, i.e., under the domination of the Jews. Thus the Jewish people is chosen by God as the trustee of His will; it is the only people with whom the Deity has made a covenant; it is the choice of the Lord”

    Bernard lazare -1894

  170. Michael Hardesty's Gravatar Michael Hardesty
    October 4, 2011 - 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Someday, you are wrong because 25% of the people in Israel are NON-Jews. Imagine a Gentile or Christian State here where 1.58% only are Jews ? You are an Israeli apologist or worse.

  171. Anne's Gravatar Anne
    October 4, 2011 - 6:16 pm | Permalink

    Well now, since Ashkenazim is about killing White identity both biologically and culturally and later on non-White identities, collectively we must set about denying Ashkenazim an exclusive homeland of their own even if we have to enable the Muslim armies of the planet to invade the place called Israel.

    While they, the Ashkenazim, are currently busying themselves with banishing Ethopian ‘Jews’ on account of their racial origins along with Arabs and various others for the same reason, we in the White world must see to it that Ashkenazim does not get away with its wilful and hate-filled agenda.

  172. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    October 4, 2011 - 5:18 pm | Permalink

    “The Jewish left has been the backbone of the left throughout the West since early in the 20th century . . . ”

    I think that depends on the particular Western country.

  173. October 4, 2011 - 4:17 pm | Permalink

    @ Bigmo, #2

    To be honest, my view of the Hebrews/Jewry that emerges from the Old Testament, (again, in its totality) is the same view that emerges of Jewry today: a tribe of con artists, thieves, murderers, and frauds.

    For example, in the Bible, the Hebrews made their way to the Levant, looked around, liked what they saw, and all of a sudden declared that God gave them a deed to the place, so anyone already there had to leave or be killed.

    Jewish Zionists pulled the same scam again in the early 1900’s.

    Fender says: “All this talk of messiahs and covenants is silly hebraic nonsense.”

    Reading Jesus in HIS totality, I actually think he might have agreed with fender on that.

    But one has to remember whom Jesus was trying to brings some rationalism, decency and humanity to, which explains why he spoke in the language he did and used the metaphors he did.

    Fender and anti-Christian White nationalists want a complete and utter break with “silly hebraic nonsense” mainly so Whites can have their own identity, but as I see it, the reason Whites took to Christianity the way they did was because Jesus himself broke with silly eastern tribal nonsense, hence Christianity was a natural fit for both the Greco-Roman Empire and the overall White mentality (a mentality that is possibly a consequence of cold climate evolutionary forces, I think MacDonald has written).

    In this view, Christianity isn’t some artificial imposition, but rather a natural fit, not unlike Greek thought.

    As a believer in both a higher power and Jesus, but not the least in any supposed Godliness of Jewry, I see no need to weigh him down with the baggage of his screwy-brained ancestors or their primitive, grasping mentality and its tribal-grifter outlook.

    Indeed, the Talmud says that Jesus was a bastard and his father was a Roman soldier, which might explain, in part, his alienation from his screwy, inbred tribe, and possibly the alienation of his precursors like John the Baptist.

  174. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    October 4, 2011 - 4:04 pm | Permalink

    expulsion of the Palestinians, wars of territorial expansion, with some of the more nationalist elements in Israel openly advocating Jabotinsky’s call for a Jewish state extending from the Nile to the Euphrates, thereby fulfilling God’s promise in Genesis. There is also the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank, the erection of an apartheid state,

    It should always be made clear that there is nothing, in and of itself, wrong with Israelis acting to ensure Israel remains a viable Jewish state. It’s Jews taking down white states that is objectionable.

  175. Donald's Gravatar Donald
    October 4, 2011 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

    “…since WWII it has had a critical influence promoting massive non-White immigration, multiculturalism, and the displacement of the traditional people and culture of the West.”

    We need to break down the meaning of “multiculturalism” and realize it was the child of “pluralism” and has now morphed into “multi-racialism.” Using the latter term in the quoted sentence would help readers to unpack the essence of what the WEJs have done through superior organization.

  176. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 4, 2011 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Chris Moore,

    The Old Testament tells us that the Jews broke their covenants repeatedly and were punished for that long before Jesus. I am not talking about Christian doctrine. I was comparing the Old Testament Judaism with the Talmudic one.

    Usury prohibition is a good example of the difference. The Talmud only prohibits usury for Jews. The Talmud also attacked Jesus and Mary. The Talmud also allows Jews to be deceitful with the Gentile. Pedophilia is another such example and even made its way into Islam through the Islamic version of the Talmud, the Sunnah. The Sunnah also is a huge difference from the Koranic scriptures. 90% of Shariah law of Islam comes from the Sunnah. These religions are structured very similarly with Islam evolving into a sectarian religion while Judaism into an ethnocentric religion. Both are reflections of the oral traditions. Scriptures in Islam and Judaism act as references only.

    The Karaite movement was a sect in Judaism that refused the Talmud. They were expelled from Spain with the insistence of the Rabbis. The Karaites were at one time the dominant Judaism, probably due to early Islamic influence. They have struggled and continue to struggle to be accepted by the Jewish community especially in Israel.

    Koranist Muslims reject the Sunnah, they are now facing persecution in almost all Muslim countries with fatwas (latest being in Sudan) declaring them apostates of Islam.

    Jesus attacked the Talmud in his famous quote:

    Matt 15:1-3 “Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?”

    Mark 7:5-7 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

    These verses are a direct reference to the Talmud.

    Matt 23:31-33 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?”

    Matt 23:13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.”

    Matt 23:27-29 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

  177. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 4, 2011 - 2:03 pm | Permalink

    A few comments:

    1. Whites should stop using the term “traditional culture.” There is no such thing as “traditional English culture,” there is only English culture, period. Using the term “traditional” implies that a nation can have many cultures. As Allan Bloom (a homosexual Jew nonetheless) said, the moment something is seen as “tradition” it’s lost forever.

    2. We shouldn’t be encouraging Jews to intermarry with Europeans. This already happens quite often, and when it does, the kids are raised with a 100% Jewish identity; the European part is lost forever. I fully support Jews marrying Jews and Europeans marrying Europeans.

    3. All this talk of messiahs and covenants is silly hebraic nonsense. I fully believe that Whites cannot psychologically free themselves from the Judaization without dropping their Christian identity.

  178. Frank Messmann's Gravatar Frank Messmann
    October 4, 2011 - 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Atzmon’s book is downloadable from Amazon for about $9.

  179. Felix Grubel's Gravatar Felix Grubel
    October 4, 2011 - 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Whether Jesus was the son of God or not the son of God is personally immaterial to me. My concern is the blatant intellectual dishonesty of Christians who claim that they’re now shareholders in Christ’s new covenant, and yet, want to pretend (God only knows why) that the old Mosaic covenant with the Jews still holds. It is the classic case of wanting one’s cake and eating it too.

    Like it or not, they can’t have it both ways, and though no longer a believer myself, I applaud those who boldly confront members of their leadership too cowardly to stop pretending that they can.

  180. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 4, 2011 - 1:38 pm | Permalink
  181. Abe Fauxman's Gravatar Abe Fauxman
    October 4, 2011 - 12:30 pm | Permalink

    We the Chosen have all reasons to fear the next Holocaust to come, especially when its Grand Priest will soon be exposed as the most gigantic fraudster ever.

  182. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 4, 2011 - 10:57 am | Permalink

    The Jewish Lobby’s re-action to his new book ‘The Wandering Who: A study of Jewish Identity Politics‘ has proved that Gilad Atzmon could be the only Jew who unifies the Zionist horde while among the Gentile, it’s Iranian President Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. In reviewing Giad Atzmon’s book – Shahram Vahdany called Gilad ‘King of Jews’.

    I, however, prefer to call my friend Gilad Atzmon “a Jewish Messiah”.


  183. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 4, 2011 - 10:54 am | Permalink

    Jews are not allowed to marry non-Jews, Black, Brown or White, without losing their Israeli citizenship. As for Jewish racism is concerned – it can easily be compared with Hindu caste system.


  184. October 4, 2011 - 9:52 am | Permalink

    @ Bigmo,

    The totality of the Old Testament clearly makes it Jewish supremacist doctrine, and racial. The Talmud simply validates and confirms this, as well as the Jewish rejection of Jesus as Messiah.

    Traditional Christians argue God’s “Chosen people” covenant was broken with the Jews when they rejected the Messiah Jesus and his New Doctrine. Jews argue that Jesus wasn’t the Messiah, so their Chosen people racial covenant with Yahweh still stands.

    Just like the Mormons have pathetically tried to co-opt the Old Testament into their religious doctrine through naked narrative theft, certain Christian sects have historically done the same. This is what has manifested in the Judeo-Christian Zionist useful idiots phenomenon today.

    Christianity is a full stop rejection of Judaism and Jewish doctrine. Those who can’t, or refuse to acknowledge that reality out of Jew-envy and/or opportunism, simply aren’t Christians, IMO.
    Back to my point on Atzmon’s article, I should have said that Christians don’t believe in “generationally inherited guilt,” as Jewry does, thus by its own doctrine, contemporary Jewry has inherited the guilt of the murderous Jewish Bolsheviks and the Western Jewish bankers who financed them, and collectively owes reparations to Christians, totaling in the hundreds of billions by now.

    This was the New Testament’s doctrinal point when the Jews collectively declared of the murdered Jesus: “”Let his blood be upon us and on our children!” — meaning inherited generational guilt, both for itself and for its enemies, is the doctrine organized Jewry subscribes to, and the doctrine by which it has chosen to live or die.

  185. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 4, 2011 - 5:08 am | Permalink

    I disagree about what Macdonald said regarding the Old Testament. Many Christians follow the Old Testament and many of its stories fill the pages of the Koran, yet none of these religions became ethnocentric. Islam in fact became deeply sectarian with no real concern about ethnicity or race.

    If you look at the Old Testament you can see that many prophets married outside the Israelite tribe. Moses, Abraham, Solomon all did. So did Joseph. None of them were ethnocentric.

    Macdonald does not seem to understand the difference between the Old Testament and the Talmud. The Talmud is deeply ethnocentric with strong Jewish exceptionalism. Jesus in fact came to support and affirm the Old Testament but refused allegiance to the Pharisees who follow the Talmudic scriptures. Jesus attacked the Talmud and its followers precisely for the reason of ethnocentrism.

    Macdonald also does not seperate between what the Old Testament sees as the “other” and what Jews see as the other. The Old Testament sees the other as pagan. While Jews see it as a non Israelite Jews. They are not the same thing. This kind of prohibition (marrying pagans) is also there in the Koran.

    The reality is the Judaism of the Pharisees, the dominant form of Judaism today, was a sect among others in the past only to become dominant as Jews evolved. It is not the Judaism of Moses, David and Abraham.

    Finally there was no covenant with Abraham. The promise of land was also given to Ishmael. Its the covenant that seperated Isaac from Ishmaedl. God told Abraham he will establish a covenant with Isaac’s descendants. Of course it was done with Moses. A very conditional covenant indeed.

    Very indeed!

    Other than that Macdonald hit the mark.

  186. Lancashire lad's Gravatar Lancashire lad
    October 4, 2011 - 3:08 am | Permalink

    A lot of nationalisms in Europe took new wing in the mid-19th century (1848 was the “springtime of nations”). In that sense, Zionism wasn’t that unusual. KM adds the idea that humanity is inherently ethnocentric – Europeans a bit less so – so there again the Jews are not so unique.

  187. Sanjay's Gravatar Sanjay
    October 4, 2011 - 2:25 am | Permalink

    Brilliant article.

    Apart from writing a book on Jewish financial terror on Non-Jews, another one could be written on Jewish racism and lack of intermarriage between Jews and Blacks.

  188. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    October 4, 2011 - 2:08 am | Permalink

    Fellas, don’t rush to break out Veuve Clicquot just yet.
    Does this guy actually serve any useful function beyond irritating the living snot out of self-appointed Judaic tribal bureaucracy ? In so far as interests of non-Jews are concerned ?
    How many individuals contributing on here are unaware of the reality his former tribesmen living in diaspora are set up and run as an ethnic crime syndicate ?
    I also chuckle @ the ‘ex-Jew’ part. is that similar to when a zebra decides to leave zebradom and join a horse herd ?

  189. Brenton Sanderson's Gravatar Brenton Sanderson
    October 4, 2011 - 1:25 am | Permalink

    A great review Kevin. Sounds like a book well worth reading.

  190. October 4, 2011 - 1:10 am | Permalink

    As MacDonald frames his thinking, Atzmon believes Western Jewish leftists merely act as a kind of Catcher in the Rye for other Jews, preventing Jewish radicals from wandering too far off of the Zionist plantation. But I think that deep down, Atzmon knows the diaspora Jewish Left in the West wants to convert non-Jews to Bolshevism, as well.

    He’s quoted here as writing: “For the Matzpenist [Israeli Jewish leftists], to liberate Arabs is to turn them into Bolsheviks; the neocon is actually slightly more modest — all he wants is for Arabs to drink their Coca-Cola in a Westernised democratic society.”

    Why would Atzmon assume Western Jewish leftists don’t want to convert Whites to Bolshevism, too?

    I think Atzmon is shying away from the Jewish third rail here, which is that Jewish Bolsheviks murdered millions of Christians in the Soviet Union in a kind of Jewish “convert or die” version of alleged Dark Ages Christianity.

    I don’t blame Atzmon for that in some ways, given the pay-back for it has yet to be meted out. He’s trying to be a humanist, after all.

    But if contemporary Jews, (or in Atzmon’s case, ex-Jews) want to make an argument that they don’t deserve pay back for something their ancestors did on the grounds that Christians (unlike Jews) don’t believe in ancestral guilt, that’s the way they should go about it, instead of trying to finesse the issue and pretend Western Jews weren’t (and aren’t) “convert or die” psychopaths.

    Of course, if Jews want to use that argument, they’ll have to convert to Christianity (or at least drop Judaism entirely, as Atzmon has), because if Christians or Gentiles apply Jewish principles to Jews themselves, then that means organized Jewry is still guilty of the crimes of the Jewish Bolsheviks, and always will be.

  191. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    October 4, 2011 - 12:57 am | Permalink

    This article sums up the Jewish thinking quite well. Their bunker mentality and lip service to universalism which always concludes that “whatever is good for Jews…is good.” It seems to me that Jews naturally assume that their opinion is wanted and needed anywhere they go and in any context. They have no inner conflicts because their basic mission is so simple. “It’s us against the world. If it’s not owned and controlled by Jews, it’s bad and evil.” On a brighter note, I’d say that none of this is hard to understand and more and more people are doing just that. People are so weary of the Jewish pity party that one feels their sympathy well will eventually dry up for good.

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