Introduction
The sweeping gains by the Republican Party in the 2010 mid-term Congressional elections were due in large part to the growing strength of America’s grass-roots Tea Party movement. Tea Party activists are overwhelmingly White; their stated goal is to roll back the federal Leviathan now headed by America’s first non-White President. Predictably, therefore, liberals interpret the Tea Party phenomenon as a manifestation of White “racism.” Equally predictable are Tea Party attempts to deflect such accusations by backing the Black Republican Presidential candidate Herman Cain. For a while, even some White nationalists hoped that the Tea Parties would evolve into an explicitly ethnonationalist political movement. It is now obvious that that will never happen.
At heart, the Tea Party movement is not about politics as such, i.e. who gets what, when, and where. Still less does it promote a surreptitious style of identity politics tailor-made for White folks. Instead, the excitement generated by the Tea Partiers resembles a corporate media-savvy revival of the old-time religious fervour for which America is famous.
The Tea Party movement is another episode in the long history of evangelical enthusiasm which has driven the permanent (or at least very long-running) American Revolution since it broke out in the eighteenth century. The radicalism of that revolutionary upheaval is still fuelled by a potent mixture of politics and religion. Well before the American Declaration of Independence, the first Great Awakening laid the foundation for the constitutional faith that transformed colonial Englishmen into homo Americanus. In the early nineteenth century, a second-stage evangelical revival fertilized the spiritual seedbed of secession and Civil War.
It is no accident that Tea Partiers love to dress up in American Revolutionary costumes. They are true believers, utterly committed to the peculiar political theology enshrined by the Founding Fathers of the Constitutional Republic. WASPs and professing Christians are well-represented within the Tea Party movement. Do not be deceived, however; American Protestantism is now far removed from orthodox Christianity.
True, American WASPs do affirm their faith in Christ, regularly and often. But their hopes of personal salvation are nurtured in the interior space of private conscience. In public, the altruistic WASP’s religious responsibility for the commonweal finds expression in a civic culture of constitutional patriotism. Accordingly, it is through the ritual remembrances and the red-white-and-blue, republican regalia of Middle America’s political religion that Tea Partiers express their shared identity.
The State with the Soul of a Church
The American nation-state is a secular parody of the church. Unlike the early modern Church of England, moreover, America’s established religion resolutely refuses to incarnate the spirit of a particular people, least of all, the descendants of British colonists—the long-since forgotten “founding race” of the “first new nation.” The newly independent Constitutional Republic set out deliberately to create a nation unlike any other known to man. It used as its raw material not just the core population group in British North America, namely people of predominantly English ancestry, but any White person who made his way to the New World.
The spiritual core of America’s constitutional faith is a cosmopolitan conception of revolutionary universalism which aims to transcend and include any and all of the national and religious particularities of the Old World. American Anglo-Saxon Protestants readily sacrificed their ancestral ethnoreligious identity on the altar of the new republican religion. Yet, a socially significant minority of “Tories” refused allegiance to an artificial body politic subject to the capricious rule of good King Democracy. They were denounced by rebel Whigs as “sectarians” for their stubborn loyalty to throne and altar, stripped of their property, and driven in their tens of thousands out of the country.
Abigail Adams, wife of a future President, watched the first great batch of Tory exiles depart from Boston harbour. She “reported it as the largest fleet ever seen in America. Upward of one hundred and seventy sail could be counted; they looked like a forest.” Even after the American Republic made peace with Great Britain, one historian notes that triumphant Whigs insisted that no Tory should “find a resting place in the United States; and in nearly every state they were disfranchised, while in many localities they were tarred and feathered, driven from town and warned never to return” (see here, p. 595).
Two hundred years later, the deracinated WASP descendants of those eighteenth century American rebels still occupy the front pew in America’s civil religion. Some reject the term WASP as a snide and spiteful acronym popularised sometime in the Fifties by Jews and other ethnic groups harbouring grievances against the founding stock of White America. But perhaps the pejorative connotation of the term is deserved. Perhaps the Constitutional Republic founded by the largely Anglo-Saxon Protestant colonial subjects of the British Crown was born in sin. There were few Jews or Catholics present when the founding fathers severed the bonds of blood and faith between Americans and their kith and kin across the Atlantic. The Declaration of Independence confirmed that the American Adam had been seduced by the promise of unmatched wealth and endless prosperity, the worldly power and everlasting glory sure to follow the peopling of a vast continental empire.
The term WASP is indeed derogatory and abusive; but those who bear that label must accept that they deserve much of the contempt heaped upon them by other racial, religious, and ethnic groups. Hopelessly at odds with themselves, WASPs have become the invisible race. Even in their own eyes, WASPs now constitute little more than a demographic abstraction altogether devoid of the soul and the substance of a serious people. Back in the Sixties; Time magazine observed that their collective identity was merely an upmarket “lifestyle choice” available to “Waspirants” of all colors and creeds.
American WASPs desperately need to regenerate a collective spirit of in-group solidarity. WASPs must learn to play the postmodern game of identity politics. Only through a palingenetic process of spiritual regeneration will weakling WASPs be reborn as Anglo-Saxon Christian soldiers. In the culture wars to come, their mission will be to expose the false religion on the march, most recently, under the banner of the Tea Party movement.
The Cult of the Constitution
Tea Party types are moved by more than narrowly political concerns over taxes, fiscal responsibility, and federalism. Like the vast majority of American WASPs, including a good many White nationalists, Tea Partiers are mesmerized by the cult of the Constitution. Since their political theology dogmatically denies the past, present, or future existence of an authentically Christian, Anglo-Saxon Volksgeist, any struggle to win back the soul of Middle America will spark fierce religious conflict.
America’s constitutional faith has always been a cosmopolitan creed, first conceived within the transatlantic tradition of eighteenth-century British republicanism. Together with their counterparts “at home,” colonial elites created a novel intellectual constellation in which they began to re-imagine the character of Christian community. Nathan O. Hatch writes that “By 1760 New England clergymen appear to have lost a clear distinction between the Kingdom of God and the goals of their own political community.”
The meaning of the American Revolution itself was framed by a “republican eschatology” rooted in the English Commonwealth tradition. This embryonic constitutional faith endowed “the function of man as a citizen” with a “profoundly new religious significance.” Republican liberty became “a cardinal principle of Christian belief” once the principles governing civil order” were assigned a key role in the scheme of providential history.”
The seeds of post-Christian infidelity already latent in such civil millenarianism sprouted treasonous tendrils in the fertile soil of prosperous British North American colonies nurturing imperial pretensions of their own. Following independence, the absence of an established church in the new nation reinforced the direct application of religious morality to the realm of politics, law, and government. It became second nature for Americans to treat their political preferences as religious priorities.
The religion of the Republic readily associated the revolutionary trinity of liberty, equality, and fraternity with providential history. Sharing with all mankind the political ideals of the American Revolution came to be seen as “a necessary prerequisite for spreading the Christian message.”
Inventing the People
The most fundamental task facing the American revolutionary regime was the need to invent a new people. Two centuries later, that grandiose project has been all but abandoned by the post-American government of the United States. The Civil War foreshadowed the epic failure of that nation-building project. Southern stalwarts such as Senator John C. Calhoun of South Carolina denied from the beginning that there was any such thing as a “citizen of the United States,” insisting that the primary and essential allegiance of each citizen lay with his own state. Calhoun snorted that investing homo Americanus with a single national citizenship would produce “a perfect nondescript,” a sort of legal hermaphrodite. Such particularist loyalties fuelled the sectional animosities that split the First (Federal) Republic into two warring state religions.
Unfortunately for Calhoun’s Southern compatriots, the Second (Bourgeois) Republic was founded in 1865 on the smouldering ruins of the Confederacy. Yankee capitalists, together with their political cronies in both the North and the West, treated the occupied South as a mere creature of the victorious Union, ripe for the plucking. The Southern states were forced at gunpoint to ratify the Fourteenth Amendment, empowering federal courts to compel states to extend due process rights and equal protection of the laws to newly-freed Negro slaves. Eventually, the citizens of every state were transformed into wards of the federal government.
During the Gilded Age of the late nineteenth century, such “constitutional” guarantees of equal protection encouraged radicals favouring a colour-blind and gender-neutral Constitution for the nation as a whole. Later still, in our own time, the Fourteenth Amendment provided revolutionary communists and putatively conservative capitalists alike with the formal constitutional warrant to produce the immigration disaster that finally laid homo Americanus low.
Following the New Deal Revolution of the Thirties, American capitalism was literally under new management. In symbiosis with the rise of an administrative state dominated by professional bureaucrats, a new class of professional managers captured control of the corporate sector. Bourgeois “owners” were transformed into shareholders with a merely nominal role in corporate governance. Under the direction of its managerial and professional elites, the Third (Managerial/Therapeutic) Republic set out to reinvent the American people.
The Anglo-American majority has been compelled to embrace as brothers under the skin all officially-designated, “discrete and insular minorities,” whatever their colour, creed, or citizenship. Under the current constitutional dispensation, the sacred cause of liberty, equality, and fraternity has been consummated in the corporate-sponsored American Dream.
But, of course, it was all a fantastic fiction. America’s constitutional faith is now being sorely tested by the post-American, Obama regime’s efforts to inaugurate a Fourth (Transnational) Republic. As the revolutionary ideal of fraternity morphs into the official/corporate/media celebration of diversity, the (implicitly Anglo-Saxon Protestant) American Adam finally faces expulsion from his New World garden.
End of Part 1; go to Part 2
Andrew Fraser is a wandering WASP—born in Canada, educated there and in the USA, who now happily ensconced in Australia. He is the author of The WASP Question: An Essay on the Biocultural Evolution, Present Predicament, and Future Prospects of the Invisible Race (Arktos 2011).
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This is an excellent article. Very well-written. The propositional nation founded by the WASP has indeed failed.
Indeed, ‘We’re all living in Amerika’ now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yydlX7c8HbY
But this ultimate crisis of the WASP project is not confined to the USA. The pestilence visibly infects the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand (South Africa is already gone). Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn alluded to this penultimate crisis of the West in his 1978 Harvard Commencement address. “Conservatives” heard only what they wanted to hear and ignored the rest.
“Part 1″ seems to presage a Part II wherein whites in America are called to yet another Holy Grail crusade to recover (or ‘take back’) the lost soul in some fashion, perhaps led by some kind of “patriot king”.
Well, count me out of any such project. My own genetic heritage is 75% German and 25% Scots. And if it’s a question of recovering lost patrimonial heritages there is a different and in my experience healthier one for me and mine to seek out. And the same applies to the estimated 50 million other “Americans” who are primarily of German descent. We are the largest single “white” sub-group in the USA.
Nor do I see any reason for any Nordic, central or eastern European descended person in North America to join a quixotic and meaningless quest for the dead soul of a failed WASP culture. That is as pointlessly ‘propositional’ and ‘intentional’ as everything up to now.
This is what was urged by Jewish Zionist supremacist Israel Zangwill with his propaganda of “melting pot” for the goyim and an apartheid nationalist Jewish state for Jews.
Rather than engaging in necromancy it’s time to give the WASP identity its deserved burial in an unmarked mass grave and then move on.
Please do not despair of our Tea Party brethren yet. They support Herman Cain in order to prove that they are not racists. When they learn that this open-mindedness counts for nothing – they will re-evaluate. People are not waking up at the same rate, but they are waking up! We must build hope not dash it.
If that was a high-class way of saying women took over the west..I agree.
@henry baxley:
If not….its clap trap. Christianity was NEVER an explicit friend of the white race and has ALWAYS been based on the Jewish God of the bible..the God of Moses (a jew, I think)
OK one more time….
Machines in the hands of fools (read Big Brother, (Judeo-Chistian elites) Created a Government where they could remain in control. (Democracy)
The PURPOSE of this government is NOT to protect the interests of WHITE people…never was. It was to MAINTAIN POWER for Big Brother (the aforementioned Judeochristian elites)
Democracy in addition to machines have made their job of maintaining power easy by virtue of making everyone else (those not in power) EQUAL….Black and white, male and female, rich and poor, (sniggers under breath) etc.
Since men and women can’t function as equals, (against Natural Law) The 5,000 year old institution of marriage fails
and most of the “equals” will be raised by single women.
The adult children of single “mothers”, having been exposed almost exclusively to the feminine world-view become dysfunctional, dumbed down, robotic, self hating, alcoholics, addicts, wife-beaters, homosexuals, Christian fanatics, democrats, republicans, etc, etc.
This further strengthens Big Brothers strangled hold on western society by virtue of weakening the peoples natural instinct for survival….(Dumbing down, diluting, dividing, confusing, etc….Its really very simple once you understand the role played by technology in the hands of fools.
There’s very little difference between WASPS and any other West European-Americans. They are all obsessed with equality, fairness, “democracy,” and all that. German Americans, French Americans, Swedish Americans, and Swiss Americans all equally fall for alien interests and insane domestic policies.
The only reason why WASP complicity in the destruction of America is so obvious is because there are more WASPS than Germans, French, Swedish, etc. overall. If America had been founded by any of these people they would have been just as easily duped and walked over as the WASPS were.
Now, if America had been founded by Italians or Slavs then it’d be a different story entirely.
@Ex-Pro White Activist:
Time to give WASP identity a well deserve burial and move on
FYI many of us already have. Thank God! …(Nature)
@fender:
I would put it this way;
If america had been founded by people who understood Nature and its laws…without having it edited and screened for PC by JUDEO christians it would be different. jmo
@Alice Teller:
IMO, They support Cain because they’re IDIOTS!
ZOMBIES< ROBOTS<SHEEP< deep in the throes of some kind of spiritual HYPNOSTERIA (hypnosis plus hysteria)
Nice piece. It is always good to have an historical analysis.
I assume that Whiggery was not liberal in the current meaning of the word…socially liberal that is. You got the tea-partiers right for sure. Otoh, there is a vast middle out there…the dispossessed majority per Wilmot Robertson who are not tea-partiers. They do not think in abstract terms.
Our White folks were comfortably racialist up until about 1925, etc. The racialist nature of our “culture” was somewhere between implicit and explicit. The Left was racialist until communism became the only left game in town.
The credo nation about which you write is real enough. The racialist, if not racist, character of most Americans up until 1925 plus, seems to have existed outside of the Official Creed for all but the most obsessed liberals, like the New England Unitarians and the Quakers. Race was taken for granted except for these folks.
There still is a large cohort outside of Constitutionalist and credo thinking folks. They are happily ignorant of most of the creeds of the Proposition Nation. They are probably a majority. They hate liberals, race hustlers, welfare, and high taxes. They are still racialists in that they instinctively stay away and move away from Blacks and Mexers.
There was a story in the Jew York Times just a couple days ago which dealt with Memphis and its troubled school districts which are being forcibly integrated by the courts…..one is mostly black and one is mostly white. More White Flight is predicted.
So, where we are right now is apparently this: LIberals and rads beat the drums of “social justice” and vote for a black president just because he is black. Conservatives are just not quite as liberal officially, but their credo is low taxes, and Horatio Alger, and country clubs. Many of them are racialists but stay low.
The vast majority of Whites are sick of blacks and mexers, despite JewTV and the constant psy-war of the Jewish and Liberal media generally.
I guess what I am saying is that there is a profound dynamic afoot that is New in terms of our history. The counter-revolution is beginning and its revolutionaries are quietly undergoing a metamorphosis, like in the pods of science fiction thrillers.
Joe
@henry baxley: Also remember, that most White people in America and Europe are quite literally at least 10 years behind anyone reading this blog, in terms of understanding the importance of race. A fair number of Whites aren’t even sure the concept of race means anything. I am afraid there is much remedial work to be done.
@Jason Speaks:
I agree
@henry baxley: Yes, this is why I doubt the scenarios people spin in which White America rises up, as White people, anytime soon. Everyone talks about “what we need to do”, but they don’t seem to realize they are talking calculus while most White Americans can’t do simple arithmetic when it comes to race.
The only force I see changing minds on the horizon is the science of genes and evolution. I am not for picking a fight with Christianity, but I cannot see any White Christian movement that goes beyond a tiny handful of people in the next 50 years – literally.
Then there is the path of “instinct”, which is supposed to wake up Whites some time real soon now. Look at Brazil for how that works out. I wish it were true, and I still hold out a tiny bit of hope despite the lack of evidence, but it looks like civilizations have succumbed to miscegenation before.
I’m not sure that genes and science will do it, but I can’t think of any other force that has a chance of success in this century.
It is always somewhat curious and humorous to read what someone who has only experienced “big city” America (which was once just NYC, Boston, Philly, Chicago, etc., but is now basically all of the Northeast, Rust Belt, and Left Coast USA) discussing American “WASP”’s.
I would encourage them to first read the books Albion’s Seed or Born Fighting, and then take a drive through the Carolina Piedmont, or central Missouri, or western Pennsylvania, being sure to stop and ask of directions late at night at a small, non-descript “honky tonk” with a gravel parking lot full of pick-up trucks, Harleys, and late model, broken down sedans.
The people of back country USA are not the descendents of the effete Puritans or haughty “Anglais” landed gentry … we are the descendents of the mixed race mongrels (pict-celt-roman-german-whomever else served the late Roman Empire guarding the farthest northwest frontier) beyond The Good Emperor HADRIAN’S WALL, beyond the power of London Tower and Edinburgh, forced to solve our problems the old way – through blood feud, and personal violence.
When we remember who we are and why our ancestors were once feared, then we can rightly claim our right of return (to greatness) — this is what the hasbarist trolls who stalk this website do not want you to hear and understand.
Remember Huntington’s words, “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion, but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do”, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order.
@WP.Tepes: The book Albion’s Seed is great, it really opened up my eyes to the role of ethnicity in America. I think of the Scots-Irish and the people of the backcountry as America’s Martial Race. I would quibble with this line:
<The people of back country USA … we are the descendents of the mixed race mongrels
I don’t know if I would call them mixed race mongrels, especially since most people think of that as literally mixing black, brown, white and asian.
I would also say that the political soul of the country was in Virginia.
@WP.Tepes: That is an interesting Huntington quote by the way. People often forget the role that military superiority played in the triumph of the West. Of course, ideas played a role in that as well — better strategies, better tactics, better weapons. And most importantly, something about the people themselves that made them superior warriors.
@henry baxley: Although many will blame my people for infecting women with the idea of “equality” it is not that obvious to me who is responsible for the idea, but women have certainly taken to it. The only way to rebuild the nation for the white race is for the white women who love to raise children to do so, and for women to reach a widespread consensus that it is more rewarding being a mother/grandmother/aunt than being in the working world. Then, the leadership jobs which give men more enjoyment in life and meaning will be returned to us, and we can resume our spot as the head of the family. Until women come to their senses, I can’t see why men have any incentive to marry and chain themselves to a family.
It sucks to work at a job where you don’t believe in the company, you are ruled over by women who only have the job via government intervention through affirmative action, and then you can’t quit because your family needs the money, and your wife doesn’t respect you.
Might as well do like the blacks, just chase women and get drunk, because life in America is an upside down world, with very little to appeal to a productive white man.
Don’t blame the Jews, blame radical women!!!!
Tea Party has nothing to do with WASP agenda. Tea Party is ‘Crypto Republican’ party. It’s loyalty is not to WASP race but to Jewish Lobby and Israel. When you have people like Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Pat Robertson, etc. in Tea Party’s bed – God save Christianity.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/pat-robertson-%e2%80%98divorce-your-terminal-sick-wife%e2%80%99/
@henry baxley:
True. Think of Jefferson, and probably others, fathering children with their property. The founders knew that blacks were less intelligent than Whites and yet they had no problems with miscegenating with them. It makes you wonder if Whites have some kind of self-destruct button in their brains.
@Abe Goldstein:
YES – Don’t blame the Jews for hating women.
“Thanks G-d for not making me a Gentile, a WOMAN and a Slave,” Talmudic prayer for every practicing Jew.
Muslims in the West have long been under attack for the ban in Saudi Arabia (ruled by a western puppet Ultra-Orthodox Wahhabi minority) for women to drive in public. However, these western bigots are at loss to face the fact that Jewish women are neither allowed to drive or walk on the same side of the street as men – right in New Square, an Orthodox Jewish enclave north of Time Square…..
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/jewish-women-cannot-drive-in-new-york/
I’m glad to see that a scholar has finally pursued this vital subject. So far, I like Fraser’s insight and general assessments about our self made, Pogoesque dilemma. I’m eagerly awaiting part 2, let’s hear more.
@Abe Goldstein:
Right,and who have made those women radical?The feminist agitators of course!And to what ethnic group did those agitators mostly belong?Try this:
Bella Agzug,Andrea Dworking,Betty Friedan,Emma Goldberg,Erica Jong,Susan Sontag,Gloria Steinem…They all have one thing in common.
This is only a small selection from a far longer list (see: Wikipedia,list of Jewish feminists).
BTW,there is also an Elyse Goldstein on that list.Family?
Similar lists can be made of agitators for homosexuality and abortion.And these are only the agitators.There exists also a list of intellectuals who laid the necessary intellectual groundwork for these corrupting movements,all belonging to the same ethnic group…
There exists an undeniable urge in these people to destroy the very society that is naive enough to welcome them.
While not a huge fan of WASPs myself, I do think it was hard to be a colonizer of America and not be somewhat idealistic, especially with the flowing abundance of the New World. Many of them thought that the bounty would just go on forever, and probably harbored a bit of ego that they and their descendants would never face a foreign foe either externally or internally who could better them in terms of intellect or strength.
And in many ways, America wasn’t subject to the population pressures that led many people to leave Europe in the first place. While those pressures often erupted in violence, in many cases people just moved West when they ran out of opportunities. Now we are at the point where the U.S. is running out of room to breathe. One of the interesting results of this is that in the past, this would likely lead to racial tensions. However, the unprecedented use of contraception is really shaping up to change history, with Whites just choosing not to have children in the face of economic uncertainty.
Can someone please post a link to the youtube video of a lecture given by Mr. Fraser that was showcased on this site a few weeks ago? Thanks!
Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxhSS9irgvg
@fender:
The only reason why WASP complicity in the destruction of America is so obvious is because there are more WASPS than Germans, French, Swedish, etc. overall.
In point of fact, there are more people of German ancestry in the United States than of Anglo-Saxon.
This author is out of touch with reality. He writes: “American WASPs desperately need to regenerate a collective spirit of in-group solidarity. WASPs must learn to play the postmodern game of identity politics.”
There are, effectively, NO LONGER ANY AMERICAN ANGLO-SAXONS in the United States. Done. Kaput. Bred out. Pulverized. Atomized. Intermixed and disappeared. Sure there are remnants, artifacts, interspersed among the 320 million population of the United States, and there are perhaps groups of older Americans, no longer of reproductive age, who might be said to constitute a coherent group or culture. But they are already the past, just dying embers.
It’s over. This author either has very little experience with the United States, is from an elderly generation, or is delusion. Anyone who has any contact with the population of Americans 45 years old and younger cannot harbor any expectation of “WASPs” reasserting themselves. A broader ethnic group, maybe, the diverse white Americans as a whole, perhaps. But there are no more WASPs in this country in any meaningful sense.
It’s over. I regret it. There was much to admire about the founding Anglo-Saxon stock of this country, and no justifiable criticism can be made of them except that they have fallen victim to a conquering force, having had some of their greatest virtues exploited and used against them. But every other group of European ancestry on this board is also succumbing to conquest, as is Rehman and his people although they are putting up a fight. There really are not grounds to single out “WASPs” for any particular opprobrium. It’s unfair and it’s pointless.
@Abe Goldstein:
Abe – I’ve been so saddened to watch you slide slowly into trolling/baiting on this site. I mean, it’s understandable and all, since your people do get heavily criticized. But it’s just…disappointing because you had been playing a more unusual and thought provoking role. trolls/baiters are a dime a dozen Abe. Be more, if possible. If not possible, then have fun with yourself, there’s always room for another troll. No one cares really.
@Jason Speaks:
In reply to a white guy who called himself mixed race for having mixed European ancestry, Jason said “I don’t know if I would call them mixed race mongrels, especially since most people think of that as literally mixing black, brown, white and asian.”
The guy is right though, in the original sense. The fact that we are now having to see ourselves as one people, a white race, is because we share a common peril.
It’s an old cliche, but still true, that if little green men came down from space and started trying to kill humans, then suddenly colour/race differences between humans would vanish, and we’d just be the human race.
Or like an Irish friend of my family once said about the easing of tensions in Northern Ireland between Catholics and Protestants “there’s nothing like a few somali immigrants to make two communities realize how much they are the same”.
People imagine it’s a good thing that the White people are being united by the perils we all face. Not just in terms of different ethnic groups, but also different cultural strands within ethnic groups. But actually, it isn’t a good thing at all. We are an individualistic people. We are a socially hierarchical people. We create civilizatiions and elites precisely because we tend to form “us and them” situations, between us, tend to differentiate.
The way I like to see it is that, “in better times we could have been enemies”. We can’t afford to be enemies now, but if can somehow secure the survival and land of our people, then we can earn the privelege and pleasure of enmity once again.
But for now, we must be unified in all our differences.
@Abe Goldstein:
I don’t blame individual Jews, I blame the false God of Zionism. I don’t blame Christians, they are also victims of false and destructive ideas.
It is after all, what we BELIEVE that make us who we are. False beliefs can kill a body. If we think its 100 degrees and take off our clothes in below zero weather dfor example.
Another popular misconception of many WNs is the belief that having large families is good when in fact the opposite is true (at this point in history) due to Birth Order Degeneration. Which is the tendancy for each child to have less success than the child before, a function of Natural Law…greater supply=less demand.
Likewise, I don’t blame women…I blame the false idea of “equality”
I think that you guys shoud finally choose do you want “White nationalism” (“pan-European”) or a particular Anglo-Saxon nationalism…
In my opinion, the Anglo-Saxon option is far more realistic, but then you would have to explicitly exclude Italians, Poles, etc.
But, isn’t that what the 1924 Immigration Act was all about?
I recommend people watch this 47 minute documentary called “the guilt trip” in which the magician Derren Brown gets an ordinary guy to confess to a murder he hasnt committed.
The reason I recommend it is that it could contain insights into the effect the bombardment of guilt triggers has had on us as a people. Also it’s interesting in its own right.
http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DHvMOe9ODw2M
Interesting article and discussion. I agree with several posters who note it is probably time to move past the WASP idea, which does little to unite us at this point. Having once been a liberal and a Catholic, I am very familiar with how difficult the path out of orthodoxy, propaganda and mind control is. The process can’t be rushed either, because the implications of each level of awakening are sometimes devastating. From the patriotic lies to the religious ones, the entire popular culture of the last 50 years or so has been nothing but brainwashing of the “guy behind the curtain”, and we know who he is.
So how do we pull back the curtain and drag out the puppet master? I am convinced that the first and most important mission is to awaken our sleeping brothers, as fast as possible, which is unfortunately quite slow. There are a few things we can do though, but we have to take a page from the Zionist playbook, and all get on message.
There is one big catalyst that they know is a tinder box and are avoiding, and we have just not exploited as we should: the war in Iraq. While there are other such topics, 9/11 etc… they are far too controversial at this point (at some time in the future that might not be the case, but for now, 9/11 is too divisive)
Having worked for many years as a professional propagandist, i can’t help but think sometimes in “campaigns”. What I imagine is a very simple campaign, Why? associated with an interesting type logo, for bumper stickers, the web, social media etc… and a website, that make the case for the Iraq war being a proxy war for the Zionists. If we can make that case, and only that case, it destabilizes their entire structure, from the media, to the Tea Party, Republicans, Democrats etc… The war is officially over, if I am not mistaken, December 31 of this year, at least that is when the last soldiers come home and this is the time to ask why.
Part of the campaign is demanding to know why we fought the war, and also demanding consequences. For example, Helen Thomas paid for her remarks by losing her jobs, but what consequences have NY Times, WAPO and the other Zionist press payed for something far more serious than a few words? Now they bang the drums for Iran.. My point being, anyone who does the slightest digging, realizes Iraq was a proxy war for Israel, Iraq is the Zionist ‘bridge too far’. There really are no legitimate alternative scenarios. Maybe it is a place to start. Here is an article I wrote over a year ago about Iran, but I think it is still relevant: http://www.thecactusland.com/2010/08/banging-drums-of-war-iran-and-neo-cons.html
@Robert:
The official “excuse” for the war on Iraq is mistaken information by the intelligence agencies (“WMD”!).You may point to the influence of Richard Perle,Paul Wolfowitz or Douglas Feith as much as you want,it was a “mistake” and not a lie.You cannot penetrate the MSM with the truth,they are a lying machine.Fortunately more and more people are leaving the MSM for the internet where you can find the unvarnished truth.
BTW, US participation in WW1 and WW2 was also due to Jewish machinations (Bernard Baruch e.a.).Once the appaling magnitude of Jewish destructive influence on America becomes known a backlash is surely going to happen.
@Robert:
I read “Cactus land” left a comment.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
At my age the memory comes and goes, But I think the early organizers (womens suferage) were all “Christian”….read (Zionist agents) so to blame zionist Jews exclusively is to overlook half the problem. imo
@Franklin Ryckaert: Regarding your response to Abe, well put! Actually, I like hearing from Abe, although like most of us I don’t trip over the ‘good Jew/bad Jew’ obstacle; as I have told Abe before, the burnt hand learns best.
I wasn’t going to even offer any input to this fine article of Andrew Fraser (and thank you Mr. Fraser for a job well done!) but when I read your response to Abe I enjoyed a half minute of badly needed laughter; the poor Jew comes out in the most civilzed manner with nothing but a .22 rifle, and you come back with .308s, an M-60, grenades,bombs and mortars.
@henry baxley:
I have not made an exhaustive study of the history of feminism,but my general idea about it is as follows.There exists a reasonable constructive form of feminism that gave women equal rights to men such as the right to vote,(thanks Suffragettes!) and an unreasonable destructive form that sees the man as “the enemy” of women, destroys family life and even does white women side with minorities against white men who are depicted as the source of all evil in the world (“patriarchy”).It is in this last form that Jews predominate as they always predominate in destructive movements.Of course you will find disturbed non-Jewish women in those movements too,but Jews predominate.
This statement is paradoxical in nature. Postmodernism is a vast over-reaction to WW2. Whites can’t judge other races because said sentiment might lead whites to dispose of other races. Therefore how can the intended targets of Post-Modernism,(White People) successfully act within a paradigm designed to neuter them in a racial context??LOL
And how are WASPS to blame for America’s current situation in the context of WW2 and its racial and nationalistic overtones? Tribe Professors shame White students in class by showing them how THEIR racial kinsmen-the Germans-and THEIR NATIONALISM led to mass blood shed.
- However, now that these two world wars have been somewhat expunged from the public memory(exception Hollywood) and America is digressing into racial competition, the issue of race will obviously be re-examined by WASPS, despite their worldview.
- But to write an entire piece blaming WASPS for their current predicament without mentioning WW2-!!like it never happened!!!, is ridiculous. Your only as strong as you last transaction and if our collective “last transaction” was to fight and destroy the German people for “ALIGNING BY RACE” WELL WHO WOULD WANT TO ALIGN BY RACE AFTER THAT???LMAO
Only in the face of anti-white ethnocentric minorities will whites regain the courage to align by race after experiencing the racial horrors of WW2.
@Jordan:
Agreed.
But is there any quantifying data highlighting current WASP numbers? Because if not, one really can’t argue that WASPS don’t exist, especially since the current paradigm in this country punishes White identity, thus driving Whites and their racial sentiment underground.
@Joe Webb: I would add to what Joe Webb proclaims as the list of who Whites (at least those like us) are increasingly ‘sick of’ – White elites who are jewish testicle lickers. I’ve found that if we are looking for a measuring stick that most clearly defines our enemies – white subservience to the jewish anti-white agenda is where we all need to place our markers.
Many know that comments defending wasps and wasp identity (there are many of them, from southern wasps in america, to the ex-colonists in South Africa and elsewhere), so many of whom do not think like this poster. RArely, am I so offended that I actually buy a book, but did so in this case.
It is due to the support of books s/a this and the kind of posts on this thread, and a growing reputation, quite frankly, for not publishing people on the threads who would (and without using bad language) defend their sub-group, that one wonders at TOO and its association with American 3rd Position. While many might desire an involvement with American 3rd Postion, they may not support it due to its association with what’s perceieved as an “anti-wasp” website.
Andrew Fraser is a WASP but he is horrified that his people have abdicated power without even so much as a fight—terrified to assert any sense of ethnic pride for fear of being called a “racist” and prone to ridiculous universalist utopian visions of the future. He is proud of his heritage but obviously thinks that his people are in desperate need of some self-examination and self-criticism.
@St@r Scre@m:
But is there any quantifying data highlighting current WASP numbers? Because if not, one really can’t argue that WASPS don’t exist
Without quantifying data, can one really argue that they DO exist?
I do not have quantifying data. What I do have is years of observation, across a broad geography of the United States, of many sectors of American economy, culture, class, and ethnicity. From what I have seen, WASPs do not exist in any kind of critical mass, if they ever did (which I am beginning to doubt).
As an exercise, pick a city or small region and let’s go about trying to identifying a critical mass of WASPs, or even any WASPs, that could come together as WASPs in the way that this author exhorts them to.
This author may be delusional and such statements of his detract from his credibility on any other matters.
It’s telling that none of the commenters seem to be WASPs, identify with them, or have much good to say about them.
@Abe Goldstein:
Abe says, “Don’t blame the Jews, blame radical women!!!!”
Yes, BUT … who urged the whole feminist project on Western peoples?
And just which sub-group of people is insistent upon the supposed “equality” of the naturally unequal?
I’ll leave you to work that out for yourself, with the aid of some of Dr. MacDonald’s writings.
The bottom line is still: When “the Jews” stop promoting everything possible which leads to the dissolution of White Western identity and order …. and begin ATTACKING the Jewish Identity (see Gilad Atzmon) which aggressively seeks the destructuring and destruction of Aryan Order …
Only then will we believe you. Until that occurs, we will not believe that Jews have our interests at heart, and will not listen to any Tikkun Olam coded in words that “Tell us who we are and what we should do” in Jew-centric terms.
Out, damned spot!
One of your co-tribalists, Otto Weininger, understood the problem. He wrote a book about it, titled “Sex and Character”. Once he realized the truth, and saw where it was leading, he killed himself.
I found Andrew Fraser presentation on Youtube very inspirational. I really enjoyed it and again hats off to Occidental Observer for bring forth what are new faces for me. For some reason John Bunyan’s Pilgrims Progress came to mind. Is Fraser suggesting some type of Protestant deconstruction here?
An interesting topic may compare Catholic and Protestant diverging treatment of the soul- the Catholic importance of team play and the Protestant existential treatment of the soul.
From there then a comparison of the idea of the Reformation and Freud as Jewish inspired assault on the Church using these themes of team play ( heavily inspired in the culture of the tribe) and the existential confrontation of ones soul.
@Rich Pearson:
It’s telling that none of the commenters seem to be WASPs, identify with them, or have much good to say about them.
Indeed.
Speaking of White Anglo Saxon Protestants: Edgar Steele gets 50 years in a federal prison: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/nov/09/edgar-steele-setenced-50-years-murder-plot/
Steele is about as waspish as you are going to get—a lawyer, MBA, & 4 year US military vet.
@henry baxley:
You are an insult to the white germanic people/races, and one hell of an angry woman hating soul. You must have had a bad or hostile life, or female influence to carry the views and opinions that speak so loudly thru out all your comments. A male could not exist without a female, and neither a female would be without a male. Get used to it, we need each other e q u a l y ! Find some PEACE man!
@European:
If Mr. Baxley means by “unequal” that men and women are “different,” rather than that one is superior to the other, do you still object to what he is written?
As a side comment, do the Germanic peoples/races include Anglo-Saxos, Celts, Welsh, and Scandinavians?
WASPs are beautiful.
May they be blessed now and always.
Professor MacDonald,
Andrew Fraser is a WASP.
Why do you continue to employ this epithet when many white Americans, on this forum and elsewhere, have expressed that they feel it is demeaning and offensive?
Frankly, it’s the least of our problems. If only WASPs were as aggressive and willing to defend themselves and their kind as real wasps. Fraser mentions this issue a bit in Part 2, but obviously he’s happy with it.
@Farnham O’Reilly: Sorry guys, but the rebuttal is not that convincing. Just because you cherry pick names of the Jewish gals to prove your point, you are really just showing your anti-semitical bias. Suffragettes, agitators, feminists, etc have come in every stripe, as well as the intellectuals. Either way, the millions of non-jewish women bought into the subversive theory and ruined America, not my tribe, although we have more than our share of irritating feminists.
All that is needed is for white women to embrace motherhood, and stop trying to be duplicates of men.
There is no point to women taking men’s jobs such as University Presidents, Secretary of State, CEO’s of major corporations, etc.
The damn Mormons are going to overrun us all because of their commitment to motherhood and large families. Fortunately for me, they are pro Israel.
It’s kind of funny that no one remembers the Jutes and the Frisans. The other two Germanic tribes who along with the Angles and the Saxons conquered Roman Britain.
Like Wycliffe, and Tyndale the more or less forgotten leaders of the early Protestant Reformation in England.
What did siding twice with the French Roman Catholics in the last century get us?
I guess the term “WASP” is problematic…
If I understand Fraser correctly, in his opinion “WASP”s are simply Americans of English descent.
I know many people who say that they are Irish-Americans, German-Americans, Italian-Americans etc., but I have never met anyone who called himself English-American.
Are English-Americans finally going to come out of the closet?
Professor MacDonald,
“Frankly, it’s the least of our problems.”
The epithet is a building block in the edifice representing the anti-White narrative. Deconstructing that narrative and liberating the minds of our people is probably going to have to be done one step at a time, loaded term by loaded term. If you concede it is a problem, how much would it cost you to cease to contribute to it and help take this step?
The epithet also stimulates feelings of alienation in some of your readership. How does doing that help achieve your desire to bring us together? This is not a rhetorical question; I leave open that possibility that you employ it as part of a psychological strategy, perhaps believing that it helps to rally non-Anglo Saxons (and willing to lose Anglo-Saxons) or some other dyamic. But again, if there is not perceived strategic value, how much would it cost you to simply cease repetition of this insult?
I am willing to entertain that. But how exactly is an acronym of a group’s religion and ethnic origins a building block for an anti-White narrative? It’s not at all like honkie or White trash. Some people may use it in the context of disparagement, but they would disparage no matter what term they used. And it’s certainly not that way for a lot of us. As Richard said, WASPs are beautiful—although they certainly have their flaws (which are well articulated by Fraser).
@European: @European:
I figured everyone on here was smart eneugh to know I was refering to female STATUS…not VALUE…ALL are equal before Nature, including Jews, Women, Negroes, and even Zionists.
Go back and read your adult fairy tales…Bible, Koran, etc.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
I don’t think there is anything, that I know anyway, that is “constructive” about feminism.
There is a growing movement of women in the U.S toward positive motherhood that take pride in being a “stay at home mom”, nursing their kids in public, bonding, etc. But they are not what I would call feminists. They only hi-jacked that term from the closet lesbian type feminists for public relations reasons to gain converts, spread the word etc. I don’t call them feminists. If anything they are the hope of the world…the Married ones that is, and a few of the single ones This is just a long overdue female backlash against females abandoning their children. see; The natural child project,
The life and death and rebirth of motherhood, or any of the pro nursing URLs
@Abe Goldstein: Oh but I heard Bill Maher himself once say that modern feminism was the result of a handful of Jewish women from NYC! That was back when he was a bit more honest. It is true there are many women that buy into feminist radicalism, but when you look at the driving force behind modern man-hating feminism, it tends to be strongly Jewish. Jewish women like Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem laid the groundwork.
Look at this rather extensive list of Jewish feminists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_feminists
Do you think honest Jews could ever reflect on themselves and say, “yes we have a problem in our community?” Almost all I ever hear from Jews on these issues is denial and perhaps a lot of self-deception.
@fender: With regard to Jefferson having children with his slaves (if true): The reality is, many men will have sex with anything that moves. They aren’t thinking with the big head. I think this is universally true with all groups of men and across all cultures.
@henry baxley:
I don’t believe in feminism in all the activist senses, but what I do believe is that women should be regarded as equal under the law, and have access to the same life choices that men are.
I read a lot of opinions about how women should be in society and this is one of things I just don’t agree with a lot of WN’s about. I do agree that we need strong nuclear families and so on, and I also agree that instinctually most women actually want to be in the traditional role.
But because I think that’s what most women actually want on an instinctual level, I therefore don’t need to start worrying about any need for coercion of women. The reason ‘feminism’ has gone wrong is because it has been driven by badly motivated people who wanted to destroy the nuclear family. That’s the real reason why all the rubbish has been pumped into women’s heads.
But the ideas of equality between men and women in terms of law, opportunities, access to learning and so on. These are excellent enlightened ideas. And you know what, our women were always going to demand, and be granted, those things.
What went wrong is that this very enlightened and positive trend, just like a lot of other trends, were all hijacked by our enemies who then rather briliantly but nefariously twisted them all into destructive forces.
We shouldn’t have to give them anything for their troubles against us. We shouldn’t have to take back freedom from our women. We shouldn’t have to force kids back into molds of the 1930′s. We shouldn’t have to restore the church to a degree of power capable of overruling science. Science, industrial and medical revolutions, social revolutions: these were created by our geniuses and these accomplishments are part of what makes us great. Part of what makes us worth preserving, and worth fighting for. We don’t have to give any of it up just because they twisted and perverted it. It’s all ours, we get to keep it.
Fraser is off on a number of points, I believe.
What the Tea Party has become, is not the Tea Party of the outset, which was both Repubs and Dems who saw the current state of politics was corrupt. It has been infiltrated and highjacked by zionists.
Blaming the founding fathers for being too WASPish is wrong-headed. They were not WASPish enough. Ben Franklin was reported to have been opposed to admitting Jews to the US. Given the Jews were in control of the slave trade, which was allowed by the King, it is not be a stretch to conclude that the many of the founding fathers found the Jews presence objectionable.
On another note, those who use the term Judeo Christian clearly do not understand that this is a relatively recent term invented by Jews. Judaism and Christianity are incompatible.
To Jordan on November 11, 2011 – 4:59 pm
Excellent point: “The epithet is a building block in the edifice representing the anti-White narrative. Deconstructing that narrative and liberating the minds of our people is probably going to have to be done one step at a time, loaded term by loaded term.”
Another reason for concerning ourselves with names and labels given to us by the Other is that such a naming exercise is inevitably a supremacist act based on a claim to have power over us. Only someone who relishes such a loss of power would abdicate his or her right to name himself or herself to the Other.
As we search for ways to use our white voice in a white-centric way, it is clear that an attackback on public discourse that enables the Anti-White Narrative is one way for newbies to learn how to talk. There are lots of white issues that we can discuss in public discourse that keep us in the white-centric mode, and that teach those silenced how to talk in public, and anti-defamation is one of them.
Objecting to the land wars in Asia which feature vastly disproportionate young white American fatalities, or historically inaccurate history texts in public schools are others.
@Jordan:
There’s an impressive history of groups ‘taking back’ words that had come to mean something disparaging. Homosexuals use the word “Queer”, Blacks use the “N” word and so on. In fact, it’s quite powerful because what they accomplish is an asymmetrical right to use the word in a positive sense. You can’t call a homosexual a queer without that then being taken up as an insult. But a homosexual can refer to himself or a peer as being ‘queer’, and do it in front of you, where the social knowledge shared by you both is that you can’t repeat that word. That’s power.
Richard Dawkins used the concept of hijacking a word to name his society for individuals who share a naturalistic world view. The organization is called the “Brights”, and if you are a member you call yourself a “Bright”. The idea is to borrow from what the homosexual world did with the word “Gay”.
So in that spirit, I want to say that I am a WASP, positive sense of the word. And I take exception to anyone who isn’t a WASP as well even daring to use that word :o)
“And I take exception to anyone who isn’t a WASP as well even daring to use that word :o)”
- unless it’s a WN of course. Or Abe. We must make an exception for Abe.
A little over a week ago Majority Rights had the Frazer video. This was my response then and I’m sticking with it.
Frazer is selective in his citing of Jewish history. Jewish finger prints can be found on American history from the very beginning, starting with Aaron Lopez and his domination of the slave trade. Then we have Hamilton (back by European banking interests) and his promotion of central banking much to the disgust of Jefferson. From there we can go to Grant’s Order No. 11, which expels the “Jews as a class” from territories of Kentucky, Mississippi, and Tennessee under the Thirteenth Army Corps” because of their wartime speculation. We also have Judah Benjamin, the War Secretary under Davis (who was also a very large slave owner and worked them on his sugar cane plantation in Louisiana) and who was the only Confederate cabinet officer to escape a treason trial by changing his name and sneaking off to England. He went on to an illustrious and lucrative career as a corporate law banister in London. All of which is to say Jewish influence in America began well before Roosevelt’s New Deal lawyers.
When Frazer discuss the gyroscope in the WASP it seems to me it would be a more apt description of the Jewish mind “What is good for the Jew”. The Romans may have killed a million Jews (we only have Jewish accounts of this) because of their rebellion but Julius Caesar killed millions of Germans because of his greed for their gold. Frazer also supports the mainstream notion of the holocaust which only supports the Jewish victim meme and underlines White guilt.
And although I agree the *White* is not a very descriptive or satisfying epitaph for indigenous Europeans, his little story that white didn’t exist until we saw black is sophomoric. I see it only as a backdoor way of allowing the Jew into our ranks and I reject it.
@Mickey Meadows:
There’s something to your comment. But why stop at “WASP”, which is rather limiting and perhaps too exclusive for some sub-demographics of the White European peoples wherever they reside.
Why don’t we do the same thing the blacks do with “nigger”, and cut through the fear-based crapola.
Let’s reclaim the name ARYANS and be done with it. The Indo-European peoples have used this for a long time, long before the use of it by Adolf.
If anyone objects (of course I can’t imagine who might object …), tell them to stick to naming themselves and to go to hell for trying to control the way we name ourselves.
Christianity and the constitution are just as great enemies of Whites as jews and blacks.
It is the christian protestant churches who are the forefront of all the pro black pro immigrant liberal causes.
The fundamentalist southern babtist churches are into adopting haitian babies and washing the feet of blacks in some sort of forgiveness ceremony (the promise keepers)
The article is not about catholics so I won’t say anything about the catholic church and hispanic immigrants.
As fro the constitution, goes, the constitution mandates english common law, judge made law the worst legal system ever devised by man.
English common law rose 1300 years ago and even before.The local warlord and land owner was the judge. he or she if her lord was away made up whatever law they wanted.
That is what we have today. Laws passed by legislatures are subject to judicial review and cast down all the time. Latest example is the Georgia, Alabama and Arizona.
Even worse, liberal legal foundations bring lawsuits, the judges rule according to the liberals findings. The judges just paste and copy the liberals findings into law.
Brown vs Topeka resulted in school desegregation, school bussing and the destruction of every big city and big city school system in the country.
We all know the horrors of affirmative action against White men. All affirmative action rises from just 2 supreme court decisions; Griggs vs Duke Power and Kaiser vs Weber.
Anyone who thinks that protestant christian morals and marriage and honor and honesty is going to safe us is wrong.
It was the great founding fathers and the british who brought africans to this continent. Slavery was first created by judges, not colonial legislatures. The first africans were indentured servants just like the Whites.
Then in Virginia a black african Antoine Johnson wanted to turn his black indentured servants into slaves. The l Judge, appointed by the english goverment went along with this and slavery and MORE AND MORE AFRICANS came to this country.
If you look at history you can see that all the talk of democracy by the founding fathers was just that talk.
The founders wanted this country to be ruled by Judges and they succeeded. As soon as as possible a test case was rigged up, Marbury vs Madison.
Marbury vs Madison 1804 established that the judiciary, not the presidents or congress was the supreme law of the land.
Separation of powers ended in 1804.
Who brought over the dregs of Europe as factory slaves?
Who persisted despite the fact that our 19th century cities were filled with paupers as early as 1820?
Why did the original settles move west? Probably because they could not get jobs in the factories that hired only newly arrived immigrants grateful for anything.
Those anti abortion christians are another pet peeve of mine. It is abortion that keeps the crime rate down. Were it not for abortion, we would be overwhelmed by blacks and hispanics even more.
In 1900 the haute WASPS as I call them ran the Ivy League and other prestigious universities. In 1920 they turned those universities into hot beds of communist and anti American influence.
I am a White Nationalist. I am an expert on the history of affirmative action and judicial activity designed to destroy Whites.
I don’t like the anti White Jews. I don’t like the anti White Catholic Church. I don’t like the Lutherans who bring thousands of Somali muslims to the midwest. I don’t like the southern babptists who bring Haitians in I don’t like the WASP aristocrats who are happy to destroy American Whites.
Haute WASPS have never, never sided with middle and lower class Whites since this country began.
Their slaves were well fed, clothed and sheltered while their racial kin starved in the coal mines and in fertile mountains.
They imported millions of non protestant, non English Europeans to fill the east coast and midwest. In the 1820′s when the catholic religion was still illegal in Mass,
the mill owners were recruiting in Ireland and Quebec.
Our WASP elites did nothing to protect us from the Jews and other anti White liberals.
I myself have never heard the term WASP spoken. It has always appeared in some mid 20th century jewish smear against Whites.
@Mickey Meadows:
(note: I already posted this, but due to my not using the politically-correct “N” word instead of the full elaboration of that self-naming by some “African Americans”, it got caught in the moderation filter. I’m old, and getting very impatient with this. Apologies. Now, on to my “amended” comment)
There’s something to your comment Mickey. But why stop at “WASP”, which is rather limiting and perhaps too exclusive for some sub-demographics of the White European peoples wherever they reside. We don’t need names which separate us.
Why don’t we do the same thing the blacks do with the “N” word [now politically corrected for dainty ears] , and cut through the fear-based crapola.
Let’s reclaim the name ARYANS and be done with it. The Indo-European peoples have used this for a long time, long before a certain European leader used it.
If anyone objects (I can’t imagine who might object!), tell them to stick to naming themselves and to go to hell for trying to control the way we name ourselves.
““Part 1″ seems to presage a Part II wherein whites in America are called to yet another Holy Grail crusade to recover (or ‘take back’) the lost soul in some fashion, perhaps led by some kind of “patriot king”.
Well, count me out of any such project.’
I agree with ex pro white activist. Our elites did this to us as much or more than the jews, blacks and hispanics.
There is nothing the average lower middle class white can do except to check the race box black if he or she wants to get a job.
For our kids? Best thing to do is change their name to a hispanic one when before they start high school. An average White IQ will get them a full scholarship to an Ivy League college and dozens ofguaranteed job offers starting junior year.
Classified as White,they will barely be able to escape homelessness.
@Mickey Meadows:
“Women should be regarded as equal under the law”
Well Mickey, this sounds good and makes an effective cliche and all but there’s a problem. Actually several, But I will address only one….
Natural Law Trumps human law. Meaning that you can’t change natural law merely by changing human laws! The laws are still in effect and WILL be obeyed one way or another. You can build a plane that will seemingly defy the Law of Gravity but the gravity is still there waiting to pull you back to earth.
You and many others here seem to have a problem with women as WOMEN and want to see them as men, I guess because you have been conditioned to think if a woman is “bare-footed and pregnant” she is less valuable and somehow oppressed.
True story>>>
A bird was late flying south for the winter.
Got caught in an early storm. Well his little wings began to ice up and he fell in a cow pasture…Right slap-dab in a fresh cow pattie.
Well since he was half frozen the warmth felt really good to him so he did what happy birds do…He started singing.
The farmers cat hears him and proceeded to dig him out and eat him. the end
The moral to this little story is this;
One; Everyone that craps on you is not your enemy
Two; Everyone that helps you out of crap is not your friend.
Three; if you are warm and happy in a pile of crap.. keep your mouth shut!
I hold that to be “bare footed and pregnant” should be judged/defined as good or bad not by Big Brother or old-maid closet lesbians, but by those who are actually in the shoeless situation. If they are warm and happy by THEIR perspective society should leave them the hell alone.
In the Book “Interwoven” (highly recommended) a pioneer woman published her experiences as a young wife and mother in west texas after the civil war. (During the indian wars). I read it cover to cover and I NEVER FOUND ANY HINT OF DISSILUSIONMENT, DISSAPOINTMENT, HUBRIS, OR ANGER FOR HER LOT IN LIFE.
The fact that I diss some modern women doesn’t mean I am their enemy. and just because you want them to be “equal” doesn’t mean your their friend.
The right to vote doesn’t make women equal. They were already equal. The right to vote makes them SUPERIOR and disfranchises males. see; The Curse of 1920
In closing I ask this simple question…
If women ARE equal to men, Why pass laws to MAKE them equal? IF THEY ARE EQUAL why must they be MADE equal.
You can only Make someone equal who is NOT equal.
@Mickey Meadows:
OMG!!! You used the Q word! This may not go down (no pun intended) well with Trenchant!
@Mickey Meadows: Science, industrial and medical revolutions, social revolutions: these were created by our geniuses and these accomplishments are part of what makes us great. Part of what makes us worth preserving, and worth fighting for. We don’t have to give any of it up just because they twisted and perverted it. It’s all ours, we get to keep it.
Yes exactly right. We don’t have to overthrow everything Whites have accomplished in the last 200 years. And I think the tone with women is right. The truth is, there are more roles available for women because of advances in technology over the last several generations. There is nothing wrong with a woman becoming pharmacist, for example.
The modern malignant form of feminism creates much hostility between the sexes – one suspects on purpose. The last thing our parasitical elites want is for white men and women to come together with a sense of common purpose.
@Jason Speaks:
“I can’t think of any other force that has a chance (of saving whites) in this century”
Two words; Natural Polarization
@henry baxley: I think the biological realities between men and women will assert themselves over time. Most of the problems we have today come from laws that artificially promote women (affirmative action). Like I said, I don’t see anything wrong with a woman becoming a pharmacist – but we shouldn’t pass laws and use government to give women advantages over men.
@Jason Speaks:
“There is nothing wrong with a woman being a pharmacist”
I agree with this statement on principle…IF she doesn’t neglect her children in the process!
The writer brilliantlly delineates that the USA is now into its 3rd Republic but I see no evidence that Obama, for example, is endeavouring to develop a 4th. Too much is being made of the present incumbent.
I don’t see how WASPs can go it alone. Surely they need allies to revitalize the USA. They could start by looking at some of the black protestors at OWS who are talking more sense to me than the TP crowd – 50% of the latter want more wars and they are going to get them too.
@Robert:
“Admadinejad is certainly an unsavory character, and his holocaust denying, the political repression, hangings and anti-Semitic rants are pitiful and abhorrent”
I’d suggest spending time researching the material available at CODOH, and IHR before embracing the orthodox narrative of the Holocaust. One Third of the Holocaust is a video worth watching for starters.
@Jason Speaks:
The Polarity Principle is how Nature keeps the balance of power between the sexes (when one sex loses or gains too much power in one area, another area will compensate in order to maintain balance. Thus in patriarchal societies you will find the woman has more power and control of children. in 1811 America women had little LEGAL power, but great MORAL power. One could get shot for disrespecting a woman. Today women have more legal power, but nobody cares if they are used as meat in the porn industry, etc.
In either case the Polarity is maintained. Except some of it is Natural balance, and some is artificial.
I assert the most NATURAL polarity is men on top women on bottom as opposed to some of both on top and some of both on bottom..There WILL BE POLARITY!
@Robert:
” While there are other such topics, 9/11 etc… they are far too controversial at this point (at some time in the future that might not be the case, but for now, 9/11 is too divisive)”
All the more reason to raise it. Jewish fingerprints are all over this event, and they’re still fresh for dusting.
@Trenchant: Re: your reply to Robert.
Good advice, except you are wasting your valuable time. People who refer to anyone “denying” the Hollow Co$t myth are too far gone to be saved.
This provides some levity to a very “serious” subject:
http://www.cwporter.com/partone.htm
@Jordan:
In point of fact, there are more people of German ancestry in the United States than of Anglo-Saxon.
You make various subjective arguments to indicate that in your opinion WASP’s don’t exist as a coherent group, but you do also give this quantifiable assertion and refer to the lack of quantifying data to the contrary, apparently referring to even numerical quantification of WASP’s in this country.
Subjective interpretations are valuable if lengthy, such as Andrew Fraser’s book. As to quantifiable estimations, I think firstly your estimate of the relative numbers of German versus WASP numbers is just wrong, as I have heard this assertion before. Chilton Williamson in his book “The Immigration Mystique” noted that one of the tactics used by the immigration lobby to overemphasize the importance of immigration to this country is to underestimate the size of the population of this country descended from founding stock. In his book he states that it has been estimated that even if immigration had completely ceased at a certain time very early in our history (no later than 1800, and I think going all the back to the Revolutionary War) our white population would be 60 percent of what it is today.
That gives a fair percentage I think of the WASP ancestry of this country. It isstill open to some interpretation of course. Founding stock includes not only Scotch and Scotch Irish but also German (the Pennyslvania Dutch and others). On the other hand British immigration to this country continued sizably through the early 19th century.
A group this large is generally recognized as giving a cohesive core to the culture of a nation including immigration that is closely related culturally even if it is numerically much smaller. Look at the Portuguese nature of Brazil and the Spanish nature of white Latin America, such as Chile and Argentina. In addition from a cultural standpoint you do have the existence of the churches, whether you like them or not (as some here certainly don’t). Churches as Herberg noted continue to function as implicit cultural identifiers in this country. From this standpoint I think WASP quantification in the different regions of the country can be fairly well linked to the Protestant percentage of that region.
You certainly can argue about the quality of WASP identification in this country, as Fraser does, but you need to be careful regarding quantification, since it is so often misrepresented and misunderstood, especially in the face of, as Star Screen noted, “the current paradigm in this country punishes White identity, thus driving Whites and their racial sentiment underground.”. I think this doubly goes go WASP identity, which is especially targeted.
@mari:
On the Constitution I agree. I didn’t sign it, and I feel myself bound to it only by the real fear of sanction. “Who judges the judge?” punctures the whole aura of legitimacy of a monopoly provider of law.
@Okiereddust: good points. I read Albion’s Seed and have recommended it. (As I read it, I could see the makings of our civil war appear very early.)
Indeed, Germans have been the largest group to arrive in absolute numbers…as I recall. The Irish, also, very large numbers. A seeding of our nation by other white groups is important, and it would be great to see someone update Albion’s Seed. By the way, Fischer uses “seed” as a meme for genes. He states right up front in the book that his historiography is out of date because of the Jews (melting pot , nation of immigrants nonsense, and the Frontier Thesis…a leftish view. Of course, he does not hammer it home, but lets the book speak for itself.
What IS the German seed factor in the US? etc.
With regard to New England Liberalism….it started with the Puritans from East Anglia, and morphed into Unitarianism and Transcendentalism (with a good boost from German Idealism), and then Abolitionism and right into today. Do-Goodism, City on a Hill, light unto the world, make war for Democracy and the Jewsmadethe desertboom only democracy in the middle east..yakkity yak. These New England folks were the White Anglo-Saxon Protestants (White as redundant..redundant R us.
An E Michael Jones would claim that the wasps have simply given the reins over to the jews, their early Protestant masters.
Since there are no wasps on the Supreme
Court…(true?), these folks have abdicated and just hang at Martha’s Vinyard and go to the opera I guess. They would not let the Jews into Ha vad, and the Jews now return the favor. Politics is too common for wasps. Too many jews.
So, the Republic is replaced by squabbling racial groups and Whites have been shamed into not taking their own side….but that is gonna change. The wasps abandoned their people for money and Pee-Cee, yet the New White dispossessed majority is forming.
@Curmudgeon: Hope springeth eternal. It took me a lot of reading and careful consideration before I ditched my previous convictions.
The threshold of complaints to cease the use of a particular demonym is typically quite low, mitigated by an amount of in-group lenience or exception. We should enforce non-use of the term by out-groups, however, since constraining outside groups’ language is an exercise in political power.
@Trenchant:
Point taken. I wrote that over a year ago, and my ideas have evolved, as I hope I have, I would have written it differently today. However, to get them to swallow the pill, sometimes those types of disclaimers are needed, at least that was my thinking then.
@Trenchant:
Recognizing the misinformation is a gentler description than ditching previous convictions.
Prior to Ernst Zundel being on trial in the 80s, I had not really thought about it. When the usual suspects started making such a big deal out of an unknown’s pamphlet, I realized a cover-up was the end game. The reading came later.
@Jordan:
I’ve followed Mr. Baxley’s comments on this subject for quit some time. It is same old, same old, and stuck, seeking approval of his views. I am sure he receives agreement among males here, but it is offensive to any level headed female. Perhaps he needs to look at his own female half (in himself) which he may find unequal to his male side, and not blame the Feminine Race for all the ills of man. Blaming Eve is lame.
As for your side comment. Are Germanic people of the same genetics and tribal evolution as the Anglo Saxons etc. ? Germanic’s have always honored their female counterparts, and I have never encountered the attitude towards the females, as I have encountered them here in the US. Perhaps that is why we have a Merkel as our Bundeskanzler. So perhaps Mr. Baxley is not Germanic, but still classes “White plus” what ever his European Origins, if so. No offense to WASP’s. Though I attended an Anglican Church once and the Priest was a Converted Homo-Sexual now married. Looking into the Episcopal or Anglican Church, it was created and fostered by Gay’s. As a straight person, I am not sure what to think of Anglicans or the Church. No one ever introduced his/her self as Anglican or WASP to me. Did I answer your question?
@henry baxley:
And you be careful that “My Nature” will not blow your House (Nature) down. Mother Nature can be very fierce and cruel. Is America not getting a taste of it? Keep mocking, your downfall is guanteed! Your kind is what the rest of the world considers evil, and why bad things happen to good people. Ofcourse you are beyond and above!
@mari:
Mari states,
-So take me down logical lane here: Liberals have successfully employed Christianity to further their cause while blacks have utilized it to promote black racial unity. But, in the same breath, Christianity is actually an impediment to White racial unity?? Contradiction?
-Wow, I think its readily noticeable that Christianity will serve “any” pre-desired end including slavery, let alone a white racial identity.
-I fail to understand what role Christianity played in the 1965 immigration act.LMAO And it really is tiresome to see how well the left uses Christianity as a springboard to secure their ends while we fail to see the potential here. Mari you’re right, Christianity is an awesome tool-just depends on who’s smart enough to utilize it.
@Joe Webb:
@Okiereddust: good points. I read Albion’s Seed and have recommended it. (As I read it, I could see the makings of our civil war appear very early.)
Indeed, Germans have been the largest group to arrive in absolute numbers…as I recall. The Irish, also, very large numbers. A seeding of our nation by other white groups is important, and it would be great to see someone update Albion’s Seed. By the way, Fischer uses “seed” as a meme for genes. ………….
…………………….What IS the German seed factor in the US? etc.
Thanks for your comments Joe, but I think you overlooked my main point and our still overlooking it by your methodology. Let me repeat my main point.
In other words, by this estimation about sixty percent of the white population of this country is of founding stock. What is the “German seed factor” ? (or Irish, Jewish, Italian, Scandanavian, etc.) Obviously each divvy up some fraction of the remaining 40 %.
You refer to the absolute numbers of immigrants. It may be of interest, but the absolute numbers of immigrants isn’t the same as the “German seed” (or any other seed). Absolute numbers and seed percentages are apples and oranges. Those who arrived here first, because of the high birthrates prevalent at that time contribute a disproportionately high number
of descendants compared with later arrivals.
@ Jordan and others— Wasps are all around me. There are tons of them.
And LOL @ your “do wasps exist.” They seem to exist enough in S. Africa, or NOrthern Ireland, etc., lol— enough to want to get rid of them, right?
Anyway, really think their culture is very misunderstood, much deeper than people realize, the teachings less superficial, (and bound up with their silence).
Why bother to fight, when you can watch the others take each other out, in their desire for the most petty forms of power (which actually seem to be what the other gorups wanted out of the u.s.).
Through silence, you learn what the others think, they are made bold (since they think you are vanquished). They know little of you (except their own projections—as seen through the lens of their wants and desires (all the books about you, and how you affected them, how you weren’t nice to them, and the endless litany of your crimes against everyone, while they commit none ever,., etc.) Never anything about their flaws, their shortcomings, etc.
The Anglo-S signifies b/c it was uncompromised by Rome (just as Italians were never subjugated). The subjugation was slight, not a total gutting and burial of the history and oral traditions. The NOrthern european unsubjuated by rome or communism is still something others dream of wiping out.
In regards to the term “WASP”— I think it’s funny as hell that my ethnicity —just the statement of it! LOL– is defined as a ‘derogatory term’ BY DICTIONARIES.
No one else has been so hated. Both for cause–yes. But also out of envy. If threads s/a this get me down, I’ll read the old compliments by TAcitus.
Since the 60s, this has done for wasps what the civil war did for the south— in helping to retain identity. Do wasp
@Curmudgeon:
Exactly and thank you. After witnessing how badly the tribe wants to destroy Christianity, I can’t help but feel hesitant to help them expedite this process by naively jumping on the “Christian bashing” bandwagon. If THEY desire the end of Christianity, how then can I desire the end of Christianity?
Dr. MacDonald said, “…[the author] he is horrified that his people have abdicated power without even so much as a fight—terrified to assert any sense of ethnic pride for fear of being called a “racist” and prone to ridiculous universalist utopian visions of the future. He is proud of his heritage but obviously thinks that his people are in desperate need of some self-examination and self-criticism….”
With all respect, imo, we are being genocided or we are not (as whites).
to say this (most maligned subgroup—so maligned that it’s very ethnicity is a verbal slur)– DID NOT FIGHT is a bit odd.
The attacks on this group are clear (and multifold, from others)— so perhaps the hatred of other groups (and yes, white subgroups), as seeing them as the “power to beat” caused them to go extinct (Jordan says they are so). So, shouldn’t THE OTHERS look at their culpability in regards to attacks on this group.
By and large, if you look at the comments, it will be seen that posters are well-trained. Comments begin, “I’m no fan of wasps, but….”
This is a far cry from posters wishing to hear a wasp say something, or really wondering if they have an opinion, or rising in white indignation at their defense— maybe that would more readily engage wasps. You can catch more flies with honey, as they say.
Otherwise, wasps just might be reading and saying, “yes this is more of the same; more of what they go on about!”
To argue Otoh, THAT white genocide is occurring (and it is), and to say wn cares about this, and yet show nothing but disregard for that pesky white subgroup (the wasp) by saying ‘well, they’re all extinct” as Jordan did, or that you’re just not a fan (as if their genocide in the u.s. is of no matter) is rather questionable.
If they have “vanished” in such a short time (as the u.s. really was very majority wasp) until really 1850 (the civil war, only 150 years), and the same elsewhere (like S.A.)—-
then there has been a genocide of them.
and if they are not genocided entirely, they probably got a very good look at all their enemies.
you cannot have this both ways.
Imo, this is a genocidal statement (by ex-pro-white activist above):Nor do I see any reason for any Nordic, central or eastern European descended person in North America to join a quixotic and meaningless quest for the dead soul of a failed WASP culture. That is as pointlessly ‘propositional’ and ‘intentional’ as everything up to now.”….
Our sub-group culture (language, history, trajectory to the country, watching its denoument with immigration, our bonding over the hatred of our enemies especially in north america, folkways, dances, arts, and more) is —like any other on earth— viable and worth preserving, imo.
Look at what the other groups have REPLACED IT with. Now, is that better? (lol)
To suggest that we should not exist, is to justify genocide. To say we should not seek what has been attempted to be taken away– is a wish in the direction of our genocide.
The concentration in the quote was northern europe, and only protestant northern europe. (“no need for nordics…)
Well, to side with the minority narrative (as this poster) and say wasps are nothing more than extinct and failed, and there’s no use even trying to save anything left (of their own heritage, one supposes he is saying–) —is just to show what side this person is on, lol.
Perhaps, now that the wasp genocide is accomplished, the poster would like to tell us who he thinks SHOULD take us forward here (somehow i bet it is him, lol).
If other groups ever decide there is something worthwhile about us, and that maybe we have had some good ideas, and that in fact, we have seen strangely blessed (evil heretics though we are), then maybe wasps would not have given up on THE OTHERS.
WASPS DID NOT destroy American, nor abnegate responsiblity, lol—
in their point of view, they created a way of life that could have led the others out of the problems of europe— but the others could not take that path, and replayed the europe they came from. Whatever happens, is just a judgement on those who saw no room at the table for the children of the founders.
It’s a matter of God and the soul, not money, for many of them. The petty power mongering that goes on now is an embarrassment to their higher ideals.
@European: Mr baxley is one of the smartest guys here. I enjoy his comments in most cases. I will try to figure out a different way of saying it so it will be more palatable, but the ruination of the white race and America was caused by feminism, and only if women stand by their men will America become great again. Otherwise, I’m taking my sheckels down the road – likely to Latin America where a man is still treated with respect.
“Aaron Lopez and his domination of the slave trade. Then we have Hamilton (back by European banking interests) and his promotion of central banking much to the disgust of Jefferson. From there we can go to Grant’s Order No. 11, which expels the “Jews as a class” from territories of Kentucky, Mississippi, and Tennessee under the Thirteenth Army Corps” because of their wartime speculation. We also have Judah Benjamin, the War Secretary under Davis (who was also a very large slave owner and worked them on his sugar cane plantation in Louisiana) and who was the only Confederate cabinet officer to escape a treason trial by changing his name and sneaking off to England.”
Good point. the Lehman Bros stockbrokers and financial market manipulators that just went bankrupt started out as slave brokers. They went to New Orleans from Germany around 1800. They soon became the second largest slave brokers in the country.
Of course their official history claims they were driven out of Germany by anti semitism and started out as poor peddlers in New Orleans. Interesting, 100 years after they were brokering slaves, Lehman was donating funds to NAACP to over throw the Whites of this country.
@Abe Goldstein:
You most certainly are entitled to your opinion. I know Judaisms male stuctures are losing ground. You have female Rabbis, and there are Christian Female Ministers. To blame feminism for the ruins of the US is a bit cowardly professed. Maybe you need to ask the question: Why is white man losing their woman, or why do they care more about other countries and races then their own? Perhaps they realize that they have made you who you’ve become. In some instances Monsters, and if they’ve done good, they still get a kick in the rear. Maybe you have something to do with it. Why do Jewish men marry Gentile Ladies? I have them in my family, accepted, but I still wonder why? Don’t blame women, not to say some are nasty creatures, but don’t lump them up with all those who fought for their rights and freedoms from abuse etc. justly. Be a Man, stand up as a man, take responsibility, don’t dump women for the next short skirt chick half their age etc. etc. What are white mens, or your causes, of which you require us for support or to stand by you, when you do not stand by women.? As a Jew take stock, as a white male take stock, of what each of you have contributed to negative feminism. Don’t trash all Women.!
“… the ruination of the white race and America was caused by feminism ”
Such nonsense cannot stand uncontradicted. A strange and awkward attempt by a member of the tribe to divert from the machinations of the usual suspects.
The US was ruined by Jews leading the WASPs by their nose-ring, driving the US into WWI (Balfour declaration) and WWII. The result was the elimination of Germany, WASP’s only reliable ally in the struggle against the nation-destroyers, race-mixers and debt-enslavers.
@European: Thank you for referring to me as a white male, which is obvious to anyone I meet but met with derision on this site. I do not think women should be mistreated in any way, but I think men should be in charge, and we should get the important jobs outside the home, because we get all our meaning from our work, and women get it from their family. Polarity of the universe, some say…
@Abe Goldstein:
Not a problem, for as long as we are not treated as mindless, ignorant, our femininity as inferior to your masculinity, or kept ignorant, by withholding knowledge, education etc. etc. so to positively further the development of our species. Woman is never a threat to man, unless she becomes deprived of her own mental and emotional development. You further hers, she will further yours. Stand by her, she will stand with you. You should know something about Covenant. Marriage is a Covenant, don’t pervert it. Your tribe is a covenant, you honor it. White man has the blood of his land by birth, that is his covenant, his God given right to protect from foreign agents. Though you answered not my question? Why do you marry Gentile Woman, why do you not combat allot of the ill influences on society coming from Jewish sources? Are you doing the work, or are the Gentile women and men doing it for you? You want the important jobs that give you meaning and satisfaction, of course lots of validations, honors, decrees etc. what does woman get for her hard work supporting a Rabbi, a Jew, a white men, after her country is torn to pieces no matter where in the world, her sons or husbands killed in wars, she silently suffers the consequences of mans ill chosen and erroneous actions. (for who’s esteem?) Does man ever listen to woman?
@Gregor:
“Let’s reclaim the name ARYANS and be done with it.”
What will work or not work has to be a calculation involving our current strength, the current strength of our enemies, what the zeitgeist is that our own people are currently bought into, and what strategies used by our enemies are most effective once kicked into gear.
We need a strategy that maximizes the chances of gaining mass empathy from our own people. That means we need to find a position that on the one hand embodies the absolute substance that is at odds with values of the current zeitgeist. On the other hand, that core substance that we keep in has to be undilutable and non-corruptible by our enemies. Look at what happened to the Tea Party or the OWS and all the other movements. They get infiltrated and subtley ‘bridged’ to a format that no longer threatens our enemies plans.
So absolute minimum contentiousness, while being totally resistent to having the substance sucked out by our enemies.
We already know what is the one thing they cannot work with. A platform that we are another people too, and as a people losing our majorities in the West is really really bad for us.
It’s that simple. A platform like that can be made from within the multicultural moral framework….which openly celebrates diversity and distinctiveness. Our strongest platform is just telling the truth. We are being discriminated against, we are being denied our very existence. We are downtrodden, the underdog.
All the other POV’s and differences should be set aside. It doesn’t matter whether you think women should be coerced into traditional roles, or you think heavy metal is decadent and symptomatic of the decline of our people. All of these POV’s may be correct or partially correct, but the question is whether these are issues to deal with when we are strong and winning, or whether they are issues to try to deal with while we are weak and have no way to persuade our brethren of such things anyway.
Just persuaiding them losing our majority is bad for us…just accomplishing that will be one of the hardest fight backs in the history of our people. But if we don’t go for a minimum but undilutable platform, we won’t succeed. Because there too much against us. But more than that, we won’t deserve to succeed because we would be failing to think hard, cold, strategic, playing to win.
@European: She may suffer because some men ill chose in causing a war, but other men fought and died for her.
My biggest complaint is the unchallenged argument that depriving women of some jobs deprives the world of women’s talents. It isn’t true on balance if the jobs you give the women take away from their natural nurturing role, so society loses there, and society also loses when men aren’t able to do the jobs they are best at.
As far as marrying gentile women, I do not advocate it for my tribe, but as I try to tell all the conspiracy lovers on this site, individual Jewish actions do not represent a conspiracy, nor incalculate me with responsibility. If a man wants to destroy Judiasm by neglect, his selfishness reduces the future for us (the tribe) by marrying a gentile woman.
@Abe Goldstein:
You take no personal responsibility for your tribe, then don’t assume any Nation or People are responsible for your Tribe. Individualy you could engage in Peace-processes, and correcting all the allegations hurled against Gentiles etc., but you refuse to. So why in hell do you think anyone owes you anything, should support you, stand up for you ? Guess what I have a G_d that loves me too, and loves justice, as well as mercy, and humbly call’s me his own. You will never see a Christian spit or ridicule your G_d, but you tribe does not shy a way hating Christianities G_d. Abe, go and do something for your tribe, tell them that the Christian G_d is not dead, but lives in every Believer, and every Christian Believer you insult, injure, ridicule and spat on, you’ve spat, insulted and ridiculed your G_d of many names to holy to speak of. Your Holocaust is a direct result of your attacks on us and our G_d for centuries. Not the 2000 year old deicide story, no, Jews where killing him daily with deceit, insults, attitutes etc. toward Gentiles. Anyone who has a spiritual Nature and essence can know this for himself. Hope you can find peace for showing your lack of responsibility, and actions toward your tribe. Don’t repeat it. Some forces are not in our hands/control, but G_d uses them as he sees fit. So do your part.! You can not say no one warned you, your tribe was also warned back then and scoffed. Peace, Wanderer!
Do you take responsibility for John Wayne Gacy and Theodore Robert Bundy, as well as ole Adolf Hitler? Each indivdual is responsible for his own actions, and accountable to man and God. I am not responsible for Jewish crimes, the ones who committed them are.
Allow me to quote the law on group criminal culpability,
“[A] Common law – One is an accomplice in the commission of an offense if he intentionally assists another to engage in the conduct that constitutes the crime. Accomplice activity may include aiding, abetting, encouraging, soliciting, advising, and procuring the commission of the offense.
Accomplice liability is derivative in nature. In general, the accomplice may be convicted of any offense committed by the primary party with the accomplice’s intentional assistance. Most jurisdictions extend liability to any other offense that was a natural and probable consequence of the crime solicited, aided or abetted.”
It gets complicated by unless I encouraged/aided etc. the crimes committed by my tribe, they are not on my head.
Nor are you responsible for the numerous crimes of Europeans through the years.
@Abe Goldstein:
Mr.Goldstein you are of course right that no individual is guilty of the crimes committed by other individuals who belong to his own ethnic group.But what we may morally expect is that every righteous individual condemns such crimes.What we see with Jews,more often than not,is not only that they refuse to condemn crimes of their co-ethnics but even vehemently deny them,ascribing the accusation thereof to “anti-semitism”.In this way they protect their criminal co-ethnics and as such are kind of accomplices.Part of this behaviour can be explained as a paranoid fear of collective punishment, but part of it is definitely tribal mafia behaviour. I have seen this behaviour with several (obviously Jewish) contributors to this forum and you in your endeavour to deny Jewish complicity in 9/11 seem to tend into the same direction.
@Abe Goldstein:
I can not take responsibility for the past, but I do what I can today. There are Ommission and Commission. Speak up and speak out for what is right. Or are you not an aware/awake being? I don’t want anything bad to happen to you or yours, to no one, unless they are down right evil. Much of what happens to you Jews is by your own doing, and only you can save yourself from your tribes selfdestructive behaviour, by doing something. Gentiles are not your slaves, nor were we created for your existence, or lesser beings then yourselfs. We can not tolerate your tribes disrespect for us, your violence, lies and deceit etc. etc.
Mickey’s comment said it much better then I can.
@WP.Tepes: You say: “When we remember who we are and why our ancestors were once feared, then we can rightly claim our right of return (to greatness) [parentheses in original]” right after saying: “we are the descendents of the mixed race mongrels (pict-celt-roman-german-whomever else served the late Roman Empire guarding the farthest northwest frontier) beyond The Good Emperor HADRIAN’S WALL, beyond the power of London Tower and Edinburgh, forced to solve our problems the old way – through blood feud, and personal violence.” If being a mixed-race mongrel servant rassling in blood is “greatness,” then I should hate to think what meanness might consist of.
@henry baxley: You said: “I don’t blame individual Jews, I blame the false God of Zionism.” But it’s individual jews who work the false God’s will. If you don’t believe that, simply remove all jews and see if the false god is able to strike you then. It isn’t merely that we are what we believe. It’s that our beliefs are no more than a description of who we are.
@Kevin MacDonald:
I saw your reply. Thanks. I appreciate your being at least open to ongoing reassessment. Trait of a good scientist.
I am probably too late to participate usefully in this thread. However, I’d like to point out that the WASPs (their term, not mine) are only one of about five varieties of Anglo-Saxons in the United States. My own Midwestern, Anglo Saxon family (overwhelmingly English on all sides for ten to twelve generations in NA) is composed of hardworking middle class and working class people. They certainly aren’t WASPs, as commonly understood. The greatest concentration of Anglo Saxons in the country is probably found in the South and those people aren’t WASPs, either.
Frankly, I’m amazed to see English bashing on a forum like this. It might as well be a La Raza site.
As an aside, I think it is curious that an Australian/Canadian fellow with the good Lowland Scots name of Andrew Fraser would consider himself a WASP. To my mind the term should only be applied to a particular group in the United States, for whom it was invented.