A New Call of the Wild: The American Third Position Party

Tom Sunic


Merlin Miller, A3P candidate for President of the United States

The following is an English translation of an article published in the French magazine RIVAROL (published by  Jérôme Bourbon) on the A3P and it’s presidential candidates.

In the hustle and bustle of the various right wing currents inAmericait is fascinating to observe the recent birth of the American Third Position Party (A3P), a new political party dedicated to the preservation of European cultural, racial and ethnic heritage. The A3P has recently launched a political and cultural program that could make lots of waves at the upcoming presidential elections in America. The silent majority of American citizens is fed up; it is tired of the two-party system of East Coast ‘banksters’ and West Coast culture destroyers, both ruining the country with their destructive ideology of multiculturalism and causing dangerous mutual racial mistrust amidst the American body politic. Everybody wants something new.

The A3P offers a patriotic alternative to the two parties which, similar to subprime shams, have also mortgaged the future of America. Over the last forty years, American politics has been shaped by the plutocratic system and by the two identical political machines, under the guise of the Republican Party and the Democrat party respectively. It is always the Same and its Double poorly mimicked — if we were to   borrow some words from the French philosopher of postmodernity, Jean Baudrillard. Both parties seem to be united in the ruthless dogma of the “third excluded”, as well as in the defamation of those who reject the media swamp of “political correctness.”

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The A3P has chosen for its presidential candidate, Mr. Merlin Miller, a graduate of West Point, a U.S. Army veteran and an accomplished filmmaker. His vice presidential candidate is Dr. Virginia Deane Abernethy, a renowned anthropologist, and a professor emeritus at Vanderbilt University. The A3P stands resolutely for the Republic: it is the only political party that represents Americans of European descent and that is strongly opposed to any notion of the American- Empire. On the Board of A3P directors one comes across some heavyweights, such as Mr. Don Wassall, editor in chief of The Nationalist Times, Mr. William Johnson, a well knownLos Angeles lawyer, Professor Kevin MacDonald, a renown American sociobiologist, Mr. James Kelso, an activist well known in nationalist circles in the USA and Europe, and Dr. Adrian Krieg, a writer and scientist. No other party in the American political landscape can boast such an impressive number of scholars of the highest order.

The A3P rejects  the current discourse of the American political class whose double talk resembles the Soviet-inspired locutions, such as  “ethnic awareness training,” “politically correct”, “hate speech”, “positive discrimination “,” diversity, ” etc. This boring palaver of the Establishment can be observed daily on all wavelengths when one listens to its “newspeak”, which, during the last half a century, has transformed the institutional and educational process in Americainto high commissions of political correctness, and whose aim is the criminalization of the legacy of the White man. Americans are being duped and deceived by the power and by the media in the same way of the old Sovietized and communized masses in the former Eastern Europe. At least the old communist nomenklatura knew it lived the historical lie. By contrast, the current American elites seriously think that they live the historical truth, which needs now to be exported by force to all corners of the world.

America today resembles theThird World, with 30 percent of its citizens being of non-European origin. White Americans are in the process of becoming a suspicious minority, ridiculed and increasingly discriminated against by the political-media apparatus. Without some firm political action, as put forward by the A3P, White Americans will soon become a vanishing species, isolated in their tiny ‘camps of the saints,’ which in turn are also bound to perish in the endless process of White Man’s  self-flagellation and self-hatred.

The A3P positions itself against the current U.S.policy, which through a fancy communist -inspired euphemism “affirmative action,” excludes bright white intellectuals, students and professionals. As a new political party, the A3P is well aware that it speaks on behalf of the American heartland and the vast majority of white American citizens.

Through the manipulation of the masses and by means of media decerebration the “Republocrats” have managed to keep themselves forever in power. They have managed to “divide and conquer” the ranks and files of the traditionalist Right,  while spreading in the media and motion pictures the image of some weird, phantasmagorical White racialists and by ceaselessly projecting a right-wing caricature of  toothless mountain hicks in the company of violent, tattooed, swastika-carrying skinheads. Over the past fifty years this false media- inspired imagery of ridicule and defamation of all patriotic parties has successfully suppressed the awakening of national, racial and patriotic sentiments, particularly among young and white Americans. Hence, the only “Right” acceptable today in the mainstream media of America (with a free passage to the glitz, glamour and glitter of inside-the-beltway DC) is embodied by the so-called neoconservatives, whose founding myths revolve around the profane notion of the Sacred–called Israel.

The current presidential system, compared to all previous regimes, has ruined the ideals and institutions of the founding fathers of America. If such policies continue Americans of European descent are slated to become a minority in their own country — within a few decades.

The spirit of the people depends on those who compose it. In the same vein a state is the product of the people who compose it. If the European population inAmericais to be replaced by a non-European population, the character of the country will change. The A3P believes that the times have come for a political party that must vigorously defend the interests of white European Americans. Every nation has the right to maintain and safeguard the identity of its forefathers.  The advantage of the A3P is the right choice of the right presidential candidates who are morally, ethically and intellectually above the candidates chosen by the Democrats and the Republicans.

The A3P proposes a moratorium on immigration and the immediate expulsion of illegal immigrants. Of course, similar plans were once promulgated by President Roosevelt during the Great Depression (1930) and by President Eisenhower in the 1950s — but they were short-lived. They failed — due to the pressure from special interest groups and especially as the result of the propaganda which in turn brought about the tsunami of Freudo-Marxian egalitarian scholasticism. In addition, the A3P emphasizes “fair trade” as opposed to vague notion of “free trade”; yes to private enterprise, but always serving the common good. The A3P also wishes to promote good environmental policies and be a faithful custodian to US energy resources, while always promoting the “America First” in foreign policy, which means, of course, the cessation of military interventions and economic aid to foreign countries.

Today’s America has become a highly balkanized system that functions more and more like the old Soviet system in which primeval, egotistic and narcissist forms of ‘survivalism ‘ of each ethnic and racial group will likely trigger latent interracial wars. The A3P is well aware that stormy weather is lurking on the horizon and that it therefore needs to distinguish between the true enemy and the true friend. Where there is a will there is always a way!

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202 Comments to "A New Call of the Wild: The American Third Position Party"

  1. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    February 7, 2012 - 11:00 am | Permalink

    Ah, I checked back at the Political Cesspool blog and now my comments and questions about the Merlin Miller movie ‘Jericho’ are now posted.

    No feedback, however.

  2. February 5, 2012 - 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Luke,
    I read your criticism of Merlin Miller’s film and it seems that it would be VERY Interesting to read his response. That the Cesspool’s moderator excluded your posting is shameful.I would like to think that only our enemies behave this way whilst we are open to exchange of ideas.I wonder if there is a way to encourage that “moderator” to explain his reasons for refusing your post.

  3. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    February 5, 2012 - 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Let’s put on our White Nationalist thinking caps for a moment.

    Let’s all think about how much we are all constantly being told, in one way or another, that the real enemies of freedom of speech, the real and most dedicated opponents of free expression – and especially the opponents of racially awake Whites like the TOO community – being able to converse between themselves, to share ideas, share questions, and our concerns and analysis of past and current events – these enemies of our ability to speak forthrightly and to ask perfectly legitimate, perfectly reasonable questions about the most critical of issues in our society – we are told that its the ADL and the SPLC and the ethnic tribe that owns and funds and controls those subversive organizations who are behind 99 percent of the efforts to silence White Nationalist speech. Right?

    Well, a very interesting and perhaps very enlightening thing happened to me today and I wanted to share it with the TOO community and I won’t offer any of my personal conclusions about it, and just leave it up to everyone else to form their own.

    I saw where Merlin Miller appeared on the Political Cesspool radio show this past weekend, and while I have not listened to the mp3 archive yet – I decided to post both of my earlier comments that dealt with Merlin MIller’s appearance on the Robert Stark show on VOR to the Cesspool blog today, because I am still very interested in hearing an explanation for the themes which were portrayed in the movie ‘Jericho’.
    The moderators of the Cesspool, for some odd reason, refused to approve my comments and they did not make the cut.

    Is it reasonable to wonder what this decision might imply?

  4. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    February 4, 2012 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    Oh, one other theme in ‘Jericho’ that I forgot to include in my description of the movie.

    In these anti-white Hollywood movies, there is always a noble White man or noble White woman who is shown taking the side of a minority, usually a black minority – over the side of his or her own race. In other words, Whites who engage in race treason in this way are always depicted as ‘heroes’ to be admired, and revered, and, of course, emulated.

    This is how our jewish enemies in Hollywood have managed to brainwash millions of not very bright White European people to believe that working against the legitimate ethnic interests of their own race is somehow the Ultimate Sign of Compassion and Kindness, when the very non-whites who they pander to would split a gut laughing over the idea that they should reciprocate and betray the interests of their race in order to help White people.

    Exhibit A for the prosecution: Mark Valley’s character, Jericho.

    Mr. Miller – please comment.

  5. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    February 4, 2012 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    After listening to Merlin Miller on the Robert Stark program on the Voice of Reason Broadcast Network, I decided to order a copy of the Miller directed movie ‘Jericho’, since Miller mentioned this movie during his interview. I sat down and decided to watch it the other night. Boy, was I disappointed, and was unable to make it all the way through. A complete waste of time and money.

    What I had expected, based on Miller’s description of himself as a movie director and upon his criticism of the anti-white nature and themes that are pushed by the jewish controlled Hollywood – was not the message that I received when watching the movie ‘Jericho’.

    What I received instead was more of the same anti-white, white guilt tripping fare. The numinous negro role was played by Leon Coffee, a former slave who performs the role of hero where he gallantly rescues the main white character, played by Mark Valley. Then, after he nurses Valley back from health – they both get jobs on a cattle drive, and at one point – they decide to go into a nearby town for a beer. The all-too-standard, all-too-predictable theme that the jews have been using for the last 50 years then unfolds. White man, with his noble and heroic black friend walk into a saloon, and the saloon is naturally filled with a half dozen or so racist, gun-toting White rednecks who proceed to take offense over the presence of a black man daring to come into the saloon. The character played by Valley makes an attempt to intercede on behalf of his black friend, but the black character declines and says ‘I can handle this’, and then proceeds to kick the tail of every racist white redneck in the saloon all by himself. Eventually, a gun fight ensues and Valley’s skill with a pistol is what saves both of them – and they make a hasty escape from the town.

    Edmund Connelly would review this movie scene as another effort on the part of anti-White Hollywood to humiliate, emasculate, and humble the hated White man by (a) portraying him in an unfavorable, redneck, racist light and (b) showing white men getting their butts kicked by a negro who they had offended. Standard white guilt tripping material, standard white humiliation oriented script writing.

    Perhaps Merlin Miller could comment on why he allowed his movie to repeat these tired and worn out, anti-white themes and depictions?

  6. February 1, 2012 - 5:56 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Or both: airwaves and the Internet.Same content ,different way of propagation.
    By the way – this long tail of comments begs for a fresh thread.May be someone wants to write” Broadcasting outside of Mainstream Media” article?

  7. February 1, 2012 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

    I am not necessarily suggesting that buying up broadcast stations is the best course of action, but it is something that a group of people with a moderate amount of cash could do. That approach might be most effective in rural areas where people who have Internet still rely on dial-up.

  8. February 1, 2012 - 5:37 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Internet is a better venue for outreach, precisely because (so far) it has proved more difficult to regulate.

    The shortcoming of Internet is that for the most part your message only reaches people that are looking for it. That could be corrected with advertising.

  9. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 1, 2012 - 5:27 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt: “If it wasn’t for grassroots-labor-peasant revolts there would be no eight work day, and child labor would be the norm in America.”

    Yet another piece of nonsense, which you might like to take to the Third World, where there are plenty of strong unions, labour laws and yet plenty of children working dirty jobs. People aren’t as stupid as you think, and in the West, generations of accumulated capital resources makes workers more productive than their foreign counterparts. A carpenter in the developed world with power-tools can produce so much more than his equally talented overseas competitor, ergo gets to earns more. Parents, naturally, only ever send their children to work through necessity, and as people’s wealth grew, that need diminished.

    Or maybe you believe law-makers can just legislate that everyone be wealthy at the stroke of a pen? Somebody’s got to do the saving, innovating and investing to create the wealth, and it’s not the Beltway parasite-class.

  10. February 1, 2012 - 4:13 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    I can see that you are never going to let this go.

    And I doubt you are ever going to let this go either re the comment on the
    Phora thread on Edgar Steele

    For some reason, Hadding is on a one man crusade to convince everyone that Steele is 100% guilty, and that our court system is honest and unbiased.

    Edgar Steele Guilty In Murder-For-Hire Plot

    and I think your response

    That is an unjustifiable caricature. You are very silly and your comments are effeminately emotional.

    indicates at the least you are a little defensive.

  11. protorenaissance's Gravatar protorenaissance
    February 1, 2012 - 10:06 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I agree!!! We have to be realistic: realistic in methods but constructive in non-extinguishable will to overcome the Occupy America Process of erasing Our World. I am sure , Dear Trenchant that we all want the same outcome.
    To list un-realistic methods would have to start with running presidential candidates,however worthy they are.In fact it is showing us as dreamers detached from political stranglehold.Loss of energy and misdirection.

  12. protorenaissance's Gravatar protorenaissance
    February 1, 2012 - 9:49 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Exactly,Sir! Instead of trying to seek approval of “Kill The Kikes Broadcasting Corporation” we should propose a beginning of a hub of ambitious Culture of The West Broadcast-something that say,BBC used to be even as late as 25 years ago.We would loose nobody- just the opposite would happen- millions want it : intelligence,truthful history, patriotism,endless riches of our heritage,pride ,building lost solidarity and connection of white consciousness.That such entity will exists in America and everywhere in Europe is certain.We simply have to start .

  13. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 1, 2012 - 8:54 am | Permalink

    @protorenaissance: Edwards is not a license-holder, to which Hadding Scott was alluding. Realism is not synonymous with defeatism. Internet is a better venue for outreach, precisely because (so far) it has proved more difficult to regulate.

  14. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 1, 2012 - 8:04 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    “and listeners accustomed to mainstream programming wouldn’t be scared away. ”

    And then what would your stategy be for not scaring those listeners away, and what would be the difference between that and some of the discussions had here, about here?

  15. February 1, 2012 - 6:11 am | Permalink

    @protorenaissance:

    Honestly- I don’t know, but it seems that FCC refusal could probably be challenged in court evoking freedom of speech

    I think it must be rare, if it has ever happened, that the FCC to block sale of a broadcast license based on the political views of the buyer. I think somebody would have to make a real spectacle of himself for that to happen.

  16. February 1, 2012 - 6:05 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Good luck getting the broadcast licence from the FCC! They’re bound to be sympathetic.

    You know, James Edwards’ The Political Cesspool is broadcast on WLRM 1380AM in Millington, Tennessee. WLRM is a Christian broadcaster, which means that it sells slots for paid programming. I don’t know if Edwards is paying to be on WLRM….

    Suppose that we had money from a few thousand people sharing a worldview to buy broadcast stations. I would recommend that we not make it extremely obvious what our worldview is, but instead just make it look like a run of the mill group of investors wanting to get into talk-radio. By keeping the agenda low-key the stations might be kept viable as self-sustaining businesses, and listeners accustomed to mainstream programming wouldn’t be scared away. The difference would come with, let us say, a broader range of free speech in certain directions than many stations tolerate, and perhaps less tolerance in certain other directions.

  17. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    February 1, 2012 - 4:25 am | Permalink

    @Tom:

    [Traficant] did what 7 years because of a Catholic backstabber.

    You use Traficant’s martyrdom as an opportunity to bash Catholics even though Traficant himself is a Catholic? You are nothing if not consistent.

  18. protorenaissance's Gravatar protorenaissance
    February 1, 2012 - 3:08 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: How is it that “Political Cesspool” operates for years now? Perhaps one does not need FCC licence for operating an Internet radio? Honestly- I don’t know, but it seems that FCC refusal could probably be challenged in court evoking freedom of speech,or are we to just lay down and be satisfied by being oh-so clever by knocking down any positive initiative? White people don’t behave like that: we always solve problems,find ways,invent something !

  19. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 1, 2012 - 1:21 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    “A few thousand dedicated people of modest means pooling their resources could easily afford to buy, for example, some internet service providers, or even some broadcast stations.”

    Good luck getting the broadcast licence from the FCC! They’re bound to be sympathetic.

  20. Trencant's Gravatar Trencant
    February 1, 2012 - 1:19 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    “A few thousand dedicated people of modest means pooling their resources could easily afford to buy, for example, some internet service providers, or even some broadcast stations.”

    Good luck getting the broadcast licence from the FCC! They’re bound to be sympathetic.

  21. February 1, 2012 - 12:18 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I took a look at vdare.com’s FAQ page and ‘Who we are’ page, and all I found out is that Brimelow is an editor of Vdare. They do not say who actually put together the website itself. I read in one of those two pages that Vdare consists of conservative writers. So does FrongPageMag (with David Horowitz I think) and Atlas Shrugged (Pam Geller) and one other I subscribe to, but I forget the name. All Jewish. All conservative. All against the Muslim immigration invasions as their primary focus. For balance, I also subscribe to a Trad Catholic email list, and for contrast I subscribe to a Liberal Catholic webzine (this webzine promotes homosexuality, immigration, basically the opposite of everything the Trad Catholic webzine promotes).

    So in the end, since Vdare does not state specifically who owns the site, I imagine they are conservative Jews behind it. Well, for me it gets more deeper than that, so I bear in mind what Michael Hoffman often speaks about — the Twin Pillars of Judaism: whichever side is up at the moment (Left or Right), the other side of Judaism goes along, because each understands the other is working for the same cause — namely the supremacy of the Jews. There seems something to that, all things considered.

    Other than all this, I still read Vdare, and certainly TOO, one of my favorites.

  22. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 31, 2012 - 11:38 pm | Permalink

    @Bluerose: Oh no problem, I’m just really curious about this, because if they were a site that identified themselves as Jewish, that would be interesting. I know Brimelow is not Jewish and I thought he pretty much ran the site. And they’ve featured things from Kevin MacDonald before on Jewish influence. They also have articles from Michelle Malkin, so they don’t seem to have some “whites only” policy, but like you said, the site has a lot of good information on it.

    I know that they have shut down in the past for a few days as a way to encourage donations! They deliberately make it unavailable for a few days every few months. Might be a strategy TOO should consider. :)

  23. January 31, 2012 - 10:46 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I know exactly what I read on both occasions, as I’ve outlined to you. And no, I never took notice of Jewish names of authors, even after I read what I read, because Buchanan was also one of the authors of Vdare articles and it seemed to me there was a segment of the Jewish population that was on board with AmRen ideas, and I was not so nit-picky about who was Jewish who was not, etc. It was only after learning about MacDonald and reading a little about what he wrote about the Jewish evolutionary survival strategy that go me thinking about whether multiculturalism and all the other cultural changes that have taken place was Jewish in origin anyway. I had read that the Jews push multi-culty to take the heat off of themselves as a minority, and so on.

    I know that Vdare closed down a short time ago due to financial problems, and I missed greatly the emails. Then it came back up. I imagine it’s the same original Jewish outfit that runs the site. I realize that Vdare articles are about minority IQs, and racial differences (Oriental, White, Non-White), and probably not adverse to MacDonald’s views on these things. Many Jews self-identify as Whites on the census forms (I read they do this to make it appear the Jewish population is still a small minority).

    In any event, all I am saying is that I know what I read, and no one is going to tell me I’m wrong. The Jewish angle as to Vdare is neither here or there, just in the back of my head. Jews are definitely a part of AmRen, and I imagine the IQ controversy is of interest to themselves, since we are told they have the highest.

    In any event, all this doesn’t matter to me, as such. I merely keep in mind the ‘other’ Jewish angle regarding Organized Jewry, “Jews as the Master Race” (who will ‘inherit the Earth, as per the Old Testament, I imagine they take to heart), and there’s certainly something to be said for what WNs think of them.

    OTOH I do like some Jews, so I’m only mentioning what I know about Vdare as an objective thing, and not to cast aspersions on their website. Hope you understand what I’m saying, because I can’t seem to phrase things as succinctly as everyone else manages to do. Just saying what I know from what I saw on two occasions. Case closed, I hope.

  24. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 31, 2012 - 10:16 pm | Permalink

    @Bluerose: No I don’t think Peter Brimelow is Jewish at all. And I don’t think it’s a Jewish site at all. They have on occasion had Jewish writers I believe (on things like IQ), but they have also featured Kevin MacDonald. In fact, they had a very interesting debate between MacDonald and a Jewish historian named Kaufmann on the WASP Establishment. So, my impression is that they are not Jewish, but they don’t take a particularly anti-Jewish line.

    So maybe it was the presence of Jewish authors you noted. And also, it seems like a few “white nationalists” like to accuse everyone and everything of being “Jewish front organizations” all the time.

  25. January 31, 2012 - 9:50 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I may or may not have read Alien Nation long ago. Can’t remember. I guess you are saying that Brimelow is Jewish? That’s o.k. by me, because I know I’ve read reviews about the book and it added to my interest and went a long way helping to explain what was going on in the USA. At the time, I had no clue. I know the names Brimelow and Sailor via AmRen, and due to AmRen, I did read several times “The Camp of the Saints” by Jean Raspail — my first book — that had the hairs standing up on my arms and neck with every reading. I always kind of felt ‘Camp’ gave the best picture of what Civilization is up against and why (though ‘Camp’ didn’t blame it on the Jews, but on this Liberal psychosis that has overshadowed the world). And the conundrum is that even some Jews see it also (as per Vdare articles).

  26. January 31, 2012 - 9:41 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I don’t exactly remember whether it was in one of their articles or on their website that I read Vdare is a Jewish website and blog. I just always remembered that bit of information afterwards. And as to a writer who mentioned he was formerly affiliated with the Frankfurt Institute (or the Institute of Social Research), this was recent — a year or two ago. I wish I had kept that article. I’m pretty sure that piece of information was in an article. In fact I wish I had kept both bits of information, but didn’t think it would come in handy. I found out about Vdare via the AmRen, looking over their links, and signed up long ago just wanting to now more about WN ideas and things about illegal immigration, and race differences, etc.

    I too enjoy the Vdare articles, and in fact just got their latest email with subject line “Mitt Romney: Self-Deportation” AND Hispandering” with their list of featured articles, usually always interesting. But since I’ve learned the things I have along the way about the Jews, I’ve been a little wary of Vdare, sort of.

    Anyway, I know what I read (article or website) about it’s being Jewish-run, and thought I’d mention it.

  27. January 31, 2012 - 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Curmudgeon:
    Steele’s family are lying about his going crazy after aorta surgery and his friends don’t know any better. I have posted the trial transcripts at http://www.stopnetspend.com/steele . You can’t know anything about the case unless you have read them all like I have. All of this has been hashed out at http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1336079&highlight=%22motion%22#post1336079 . This is the motion that I filed with the court and is closest thing to a complete written up of the case. Be advised that about every other post is written by a Steele cheerleader who believes in entirely impossible things. Steele is an unfortunate victim of a disaster that can happen to you or me. He is not responsible for what he did. He deserves medical help not imprisonment.

  28. January 31, 2012 - 7:22 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: I can see that you are never going to let this go.

    There’s no way that Steele could have been his usual self during the “long, slow, painful” recovery from his surgery.

    It’s also obvious from some reckless things that Steele has done since then (like witness-tampering during a monitored phone-call) that he’s not all there. It was especially appalling that an attorney would do such a thing. And you’re going to say that this is normal behavior?

  29. Philopater's Gravatar Philopater
    January 31, 2012 - 7:17 pm | Permalink

    ” It is a magnet for accusations of overt racism which morph into anti-Semitism.”

    Being called a “racist” or “anti-Semite” should be among the lowest concern of Whites.

    Have you not already figured out that everyone who doesn’t worship the Baal of the Left is called anti-Semite, Nazi, Hitler, Racist, Bigot, Nativist, Homophobe, Islamophobe, etc?

    Oh, and I’m a White Nationalist. Anyone who has a problem with that is an anti-Japhetic hatemonger.

  30. January 31, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    I have worked in and around health care for more than 35 years. I am familiar with the cause and effect of vascular accidents. I had a family member who survived ruptured abdominal aortic aneurism. I knew a manager that survived a ruptured cerebral anuerism. Yes, their personalities changed. They became calmer and appreciated the fact that they had survived. What you seem to be missing is the family has stated that it is not credible that he was involved. His close friends have stated the same. They would be the first to detect a change in personality given they were his care providers post discharge.

    Steele is not my hero. He is somebody that is seen as dangerous to the status quo. He is fortunate that he was not Ruby Ridged or Wacoed.

    Again I suggest you and others refrain from using the term WN or White Nationalist. It is a magnet for accusations of overt racism which morph into anti-Semitism. The energy is wasted on deflecting criticism rather than changing or removing the current destructive political and legal apparatus infesting our governments.

  31. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 31, 2012 - 5:33 pm | Permalink

    @Bluerose: Just curious, how did they mention that Vdare was supposedly a Jewish run site? They said this about themselves in an article?

    I actually like quite a few articles over there and the book Alien Nation by Peter Brimelow made some excellent points way back in the 90s. I think it is free on the website.

  32. January 31, 2012 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:
    Sometimes people undergo changes in personality or otherwise lose their grip as a result of traumatic surgery (which Steele underwent in November 2009). Viewed in that light, Steele’s behavior doesn’t really have to make sense, nor does it have to be consistent with how he always behaved before he suffered the ruptured aneurysm in his aorta.

    I introduced this fact to the discussion about the Steele case in 2010, a few weeks after Steele was arrested. Jim Giles even interviewed a forensic psychiatrist who said that it was completely possible. Donald Pauly has taken up that position on VNN Forum and has been beating the drum about it for the longest time, but mostly what he gets in response is nastiness from people that prefer to believe in far-fetched conspiracy-theories, and apparently to have us continue to waste our energy and resources because of this credulity.

    This Steele case has shown that the WN cause needs compelling leadership to dissuade people from wasting whatever cumulative potential they might have.

    Again, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if some of these people insisting that Steele’s Mission Impossible story must be believed are provocateurs trying to harm the WN cause. It would be a very effective tactic for exacerbating the WN milieu’s preexisting proclivity for tilting at windmills.

  33. January 31, 2012 - 3:37 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I’m subscribed to Vdare.com email list and have been receiving it for some years now. Always interesting reading, until one day in one of its articles it was mentioned that Vdare.com is a Jewish-run blog site. I didn’t know that. Then another article was written by a self-confessed former colleague of the Frankfurt School (or the Institute for Social Research) who said as he got older he realized he no longer had anything in common with Marxism (or something like that), and left that arena, to go to the Right.

    When I spotted Vdare.com on the TOO main page, I was wondering why it was there (considering TOO seems to be mainly about being anti-Jewish), but figured it’s probably because Vdare writers are against illegal immigration, and some other issues to the Right.

  34. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 31, 2012 - 3:25 pm | Permalink

    @Luke:
    I should say first of all that I do not think brand nazi serves us well. Not because our opponents have forbidden it, but because, for better or worse, far too many of our kinsmen died fighting against it. To go forth under that banner would dishonor them.

    That said, I know nothing about Ward Kendall other then his posts on this site. In them he has proven himself not to be a gentleman. He has slandered me by calling me a full out nazi and declaring that I want to round up all Jews and have them shot. I denied his charge, and a kind friend suggested he owed me an apology. None was ever offered. On this thread alone he has carelessly attributed Curmudgeons views to another. Yet when he feels himself slandered he appeals to the moderator.
    He is not worthy of your time or anger.

    In closing let me remind you of the advice Andrew Jackson recieved from his mother on her deathbed. “…if ever you have to vindicate your feelings or defend your honor, do it calmly. If angry at first, wait till your wrtath cools before you proceed.”

    We have work ahead of us. We should do it wisely and calmly.

  35. January 31, 2012 - 2:03 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    If you have explained Steele’s motive for killing his wife, I’ve missed it.

  36. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 31, 2012 - 2:00 pm | Permalink

    @wattylerserevolt: Although, I suppose Vdare is more of a “white nationalist” site, but not sure they would describe themselves that way. It’s always annoying when someone has talent but doesn’t use it in the best way.

    Vdare did help change my thinking years ago and so did Sailer. They helped me get over the intellectual construct that “race doesn’t exist”. But I seldom go back to Vdare anymore.

  37. January 31, 2012 - 1:59 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    I heard the tape within days of it being available on the net. As I said, if you don’t think the US government has that technology, you are naive. There are hours of Steele’s Nickle Rant recordings to work with.

  38. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 31, 2012 - 1:46 pm | Permalink

    @wattylerserevolt: But again, has Steve Sailer ever presented himself as a White Nationalist? It’s one thing when people present themselves as something and really aren’t (say NeoCons parading as conservatives), but Sailer never says “hey I’m a White nationalists”. So isn’t he just a guy blogging about what he finds interesting? I never go to his site to find information on “the movement’. I just go for the interesting articles that pop up there sometimes.

    What site would you sent a Native Born White Engineer, by the way? If such a person wanted White Nationalism, don’t send them to Sailer, but in general, they often love stats and math in real life.

  39. wattylerserevolt's Gravatar wattylerserevolt
    January 31, 2012 - 8:44 am | Permalink

    Luke
    You nailed it on the head about Sailer. You are either Native Born White American Patriot or you aren’t..if you are, you wouldn’t be making post after post about about mind numbing statistical correlations about stuff that is largely frivolous….race-replacement can not be reversed through the Repubican Party…it is just complete nonesense for Brimelow and Sailer to be offering the Republican advice on how to be relevant. And most importantly:the immigration morartorium is a blueprint for the race-replacement of the Native Born White American Majority.

    Just take a look at Sailer’s recent post on vdare.com..why on earth would I send a Native Born White American Engineer who has been race-replaced in the Engineering field to visit vdare.com? To read a Sailer post about the IQ test score of NBA point guards versus NBA forwards?..Sailer just isn’t being serious..and neither is Brimelow. Where is Sailer’s rage and anger obout the Asian takeover over of the Caifornia State University System?

  40. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 31, 2012 - 4:58 am | Permalink

    @Luke:

    Luke – I respect your passion but what value is really served by going around sowing an atmosphere of paranoia about peoples movites and so on?

    There must not be an environment that is hostile to creativity and speaking-of-minds. Ward makes some really good points about (a) what has already had its chance to work and has not worked and (b) what sort of approach might be tried next.

    I’m not saying I wholly agree with him but that’s a different matter. What I am addressing here is the reasonableness of accusing him of disloyalty or timidity for expressing his POV.

    This whole situation can be mapped to a more military analogy. If Ward was a military strategist, then what he would be saying would be something like: The enemy have some big tanks that we don’t have. They have their tanks well dug in on the flanks of that path over there. the last three times we went down that path we got blown up and had no defense. We need to learn from this and find a different path that bypasses those tanks, or makes it harder for the tanks to target it us. Alternatively we need to get some tanks for ourselves, or we need to find a way to blow up their tanks. Whatever we do, we must not just keep trying to walk up that path in plain view.

    Come on. You can agree about the tanks or disagree. You can say that the tanks can’t aim so good, or if we send 1000 men up that path the tanks will only kill 20%. You can make counter arguments if you want. One counter argument I would make would be this: look, I’ll take three guys and get behind the tanks, and blow them up by 3am, so you be coming up that path when you hear the bangs.

    Sure…there are counter arguments to what ward is saying. But does that mean he isn’t making totally sensible points? Of course not. he’s calling it like it is.

  41. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 31, 2012 - 4:32 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    If anyone thinks this is pie in the sky, excuse me but have you heard of bletchley park, or have you heard of the ways in which white people win wars?

  42. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 31, 2012 - 4:27 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    POV: when people say they can’t see how anything big can happen they are perhaps looking in the wrong direction.

    Distributed to 500 people considered loyal, a revolutionary market trading algorithm would be huge and overnight, because it would directly transfer wealth from the people we don’t want to have wealth to the people we do want to have wealth. Thus creating a crisis in the enemy camp at the very same moment as massive new enablement in the friendly camp.

    Think such an algorithm is impossible? think again. In the year 3000 they aren’t going be saying “yup, no more revolutionary algorithms after 2012″.

    Think we don’t produce the sort of ‘out of the box’ thinking capable of conceiving such an algorithm? Come off it…none of us think that.

    This is just one example of an event that could happen any time, that would totally change the landscape.

  43. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 31, 2012 - 4:08 am | Permalink

    There are still tens of millions of White Men in the US and the vast majority are being treated horribly by the political system, the culture, and even the women in their lives. At some point it may lead to a mass convulsion of some kind. I am not predicting this, but it is something to be on the lookout for.

    Most White Men who go along with elite plans for White dispossession are generally professional, educated and doing at least so-so in this economy. But there is a larger number of White men that see their lives becoming dull and pointless with little chance for advancement. So much of the psychic sustenance they got from life came from being “patriotic Americans”. How long will that last after another term of Obama, a declining standard of living, as well as the increasing contempt for “beta males” (i.e. average working and middle class) shown by this culture? Such men may be very willing to join a highly articulate leader, or group of leaders, who give them a vision to believe in, who provide a path to regaining power, or at the very least, make life interesting!

    I don’t think it will happen very soon, but the social dynamic may set itself up for something interesting in a few years. I’m been pessimistic about anything major happening soon, and basically I still am, but I do wonder if large numbers of White Men could begin psychologically disengaging from the Sean Hannity/Rush Limbaugh rah-rah feel good “conservatism” once it becomes clear the GOP can never win presidency again and that as White men, they are largely irrelevant to the political scene.
    White men do have a history of wanderlust. Maybe they will begin wandering ideologically as well.

  44. January 31, 2012 - 1:38 am | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: “‘Mission: Impossible’ world-class-level production” was how Steele himself described the frameup conspiracy to his wife in the famous recording of his telephone conversation with Mrs. Steele from jail back in the summer of 2010.

    Since it’s evident that you have very little familiarity with the Steele case you ought to just admit that you don’t know much about it and stop your useless babbling.

  45. protorenaissance's Gravatar protorenaissance
    January 31, 2012 - 1:24 am | Permalink

    Someone pointed out that forming white country now is impossible because it would require at least some millions of willing citizens and the do-able, possible is an organization of thousands. I have an idea that might be helpful in information, education and steadily forming more cohesive network of like-minded people.
    Let’s for a moment imagine a radio corporation that would be a White answer to NPR. Perhaps it could be called National White Radio.
    Now- I believe it should have no commercials- not one -as a principle. Even NPR has commercials, which they called “our sponsors”. Our Radio should have no commercials to be very emphatic about being produced and broadcasted entirely by big and small donations of the listeners moved to do so by their patriotism and not by hope of having their name or their product mentioned.
    The program-that is, obviously the key to its success, popularity and I strongly believe an avalanche of cascading listenership. The way to do it right is to have not only interviews, like “Political Cesspool” and political discussions, but have daily programs on every conceivable subject that informs, educates and elevates the listener. Jewish recipe for American radio assumed that we are stupid and idiotic jokes, sit-coms are all we can listen to, otherwise we would lose our interest. Not true at all. That is their opinion:, but we have inquisitive minds, want to learn about history, physics, biology, philosophy, arts. Let’s add to it all forms of programs that in the past were produced by our people and are of lasting value, like adaptation of great plays, poetry readings, great novels read in installments, programs explaining and teaching how to enjoy classical music and so on. In short- a very robust, rich to the brim serving of Our Culture each day , which would carry inescapable message: what we have is the best treasure house humanity ever produced and we endlessly give it back to you so that you would understand what inheritance is yours to cherish and build yourselves with.
    And now the best of it is that what we have to offer is greatness no other culture can match, only envy and imitate. “Portnoy Complaint” is no “Les Miserables” and Arnold Schoenberg is no Rachmaninov or Franz Kline smears are not Andrew Wyeth!!! Succinctly- what they have is fecalia and what we have are diamonds and emeralds. That is why they are sitting so tightly on our heads; the source of all greatness. That Radio corporation could showcase it and pull our people much more effectively together than any other form of activity at this time.
    I understand that practicalities would have to be hammered out regarding methods and means but we have to start with some people who would see the great possibility in the idea.What do you think?

  46. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 31, 2012 - 1:23 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Yes I agree. Just letting other people, in an appropriate manner, know that you prefer do live in white communities can accomplish a lot. It is shocking that we, as Americans, are not allowed to have private preferences or express them.

  47. January 31, 2012 - 12:36 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    Anytime the ADL is involved, it is not an assumption that someone is framed.
    Steele has never called himself a White Nationalist, in spite of writing the book “Defensive Racism”. He has made a career defending the politically incorrect.

    I am baffled by what you continually refer to his Mission Impossible story. What is it that is impossible? If you don’t think the technology to alter voices exists, you are naive. In the 1950s and 60s with a girl whose father worked for Polariod Land. He said 10 second developing was in place prior to WWII. It hadn’t been marketed yet. At university in the late 60s, a woman in one of my classes was married to a researcher studying the whether magnets of varying strengths could influence human emotions. Who would want to know that, and why? Planes were flown by remote control from the US to Australia prior to 2001. Gerald Bull, the guy who was using a cannon in the late 1950s to launch satellites, and was assassinated by Mossad for allegedly building Saddam’s big gun, stated 40 years ago that the captured German bunkers in Normandy had cannons that could have been shelling London à la the fabled guns of Navarone. The technology to have drones be able to bomb targets in real time, was developed by a Canadian company more than 20 years ago, and used in NATO’s slaughter of another Nationalist government. Technology only reaches the masses when something better has been developed for the military.

    I think you have missed the point of my examples. The court system is as corrupt as the political system, and they are in bed together. Sherman Skolnick proved that decades ago. After all, the US Supreme Court determined the outcome of the 2000 Presidential Election, not the electorate nor the Electoral College. Did anyone in Congress state an objection to the result?

    Conspiracies exist, my friend, the problem we have is in identifying the real ones from the distractions. In my mind, the case against Steele doesn’t pass the sniff test.

  48. January 30, 2012 - 11:49 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:
    NAZI = NAtional socialists + the Zionist International
    NAZI is an English term, not a German one. As I previously stated, exploding the myth of the Hollowco$t is key. It is the control of the mass media that has brainwashed the overwhelming majority over the reality of history. Today, cable TV continues to expose Hitler’s Secret Bunkers, Hitler’s Secret Tunnels, Hitler’s Secret… . There is no purpose other than to keep the Hollowco$t front and centre to exploit white guilt. The swastika variations or fylfot were in common use in Scandinavia and Germany for thousands of years. It was used by the Finnish Air Force and was used by the Icelandic Steamship Company into the late 60s or early 70s. It has been the success of Jewish propaganda that has made this symbol off limits to whites.
    I see the term “White Nationalist” as a magnet for criticism. Either you are a Nationalist or not. Who joins the movement will define its true character. The Republicans have been labelled Old White Men in spite of the Blacks, Asians, and Latinos in the party, and all of them arse-kissing the chosen.

    I’m never going to say that the NSDAP was perfect, because they weren’t. Their solution to breaking the bonds of the International Banksters was what the country needed at that time. Telling the truth about the openly admitted Jewish war on Germany will help. Telling the truth about the progressive laws for working people that were put in place in Italy and Germany (or Spain and Portugal for that matter) will go a long way to turning the tide for Nationalists.
    You don’t need to read Spengler, you need to read C. W. Porter.

  49. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 30, 2012 - 11:14 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I think there is a real danger of an all or nothing attitude. Right now, we should all be looking for the most effective means to reach out to those in our own orb. All of us have other interests, and presumably friends who trust our opinion. That is where to begin. Don’t demand instant capitulation and agreement. As horrified as I am to ever emulate our opponents, they began by infiltrating lots of other groups and organizations, establishing creds, and then finding the right time and issue.

    As Richard said, in this environment it can be as simple and harmless as saying, of course I enjoy the company of white people more. To some extent, the trick is to make people realize that they are shocked that you dare to have a personal preference. Am I permitted to dislike Thai food, but not Thai people?

  50. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 30, 2012 - 10:39 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Well that is true, I should have said a few dozen. But yes, several thousand dedicated people, even with modest means and limited time, can accomplish a lot and lay the groundwork for more.

    Very true.

  51. January 30, 2012 - 10:12 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    The options you have with a few thousand people are pretty much zero.

    A few thousand people can do a LOT. It depends on whether they have good leadership and their energy is efficiently channeled, or if they waste their energy chasing chimaeras. A few thousand dedicated people of modest means pooling their resources could easily afford to buy, for example, some internet service providers, or even some broadcast stations.

  52. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 30, 2012 - 8:18 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: It may be too early for a white ethnostate, because there don’t seem to be enough people to start one. I don’t get the sense that many WN fully realize you can’t do much with a handful of people. The options you have with a few thousand people are pretty much zero. Get a few million and suddenly new worlds open up.

    We can’t even wield the power of the NRA. How can we talk about radical social change when we don’t yet have those numbers? Could a good medium term goal be to establish an organization that represents White interests? The NRA claims 4.3 million members, could we set a goal of getting, say 5% of those numbers? Say, 200,000 dues paying members. It would provide capital for political action and more importantly, let people of a similar mind start to meet each other and develop longer term strategies.

  53. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    January 30, 2012 - 7:41 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Steve Sailor’s job is to help his fellow tribesmen run out the clock on the White race by keeping the worried Vdare readers focused and fretting over voluminous statistics and burning brain cells trying to cook up lame strategies about jiggering around with redistricting in order to temporarily allow the doomed GOP to continue to win a few regional elections. Never will Steve Sailer ever write any articles that tackles the permanent solution to White Ethnic and cultural survival.

    Which is a White Ethnostate. The USA is done. Time to stick a fork in it and start getting serious about our survival.

  54. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 30, 2012 - 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps instead of investing resources in a national campaign, which may be premature, the resources should be invested in a legal organization that defends White civil rights. Wouldn’t it be nice to see some court cases that defend Whites accuse of hate crimes, or driven out of jobs due to affirmative action, or unfairly targeted by federal government for their political beliefs?

    Wouldn’t it be nice to see school curricula challenged for bias against White students? There are a lot of possibilities, if we could raise enough money to support a team of lawyers.

  55. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    January 30, 2012 - 7:01 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall: For the record, Mr. Kendall – I have been exposing Jared Taylor as a deliberate member of the ‘controlled opposition’ that the jews have cleverly and deviously set up in order to provide a faux ‘pressure relief’ valve to draw in White racial realists who are angry as hell about the on-going race replacement and white genocide policies that are being engineered by our ruling elites, the vast majority of whom are either hate-filled, anti-white jews or race treasonous anti-white Whites who are helping them genocide their own race in exchange for material wealth, celebrity status, or political power. Taylor’s mission is provide cover for the jewish role in everything that is making those whites angry and to misdirect it; he loves to tell whites that they are 100 percent to blame for what’s happening to them, which does have some credibility, but without the jewish element driving the evil that is transpiring, those gullible whites would not be in nearly as big of crisis as they find themselves in today.

    As for the very valid points that I made regarding your ‘advice’ on how to fight this battle – I would like to assume, if you are legitimate – that you possess at least a moderate amount of intelligence. However, when I see you making recommendations on how we should rally our racial kinsmen to our cause – especially now that I’ve had time to listen to your interview with Tom Sunic – and you sound as though you are reading from a scripted checklist that was provided to you by the ADL and SPLC: no neo-Nazis, no Southern Heritage fans or fans of the Confederacy, nobody who a credit card search might reveal has purchased one of Kevin MacDonald’s four scholarly and outstanding books on the subject of jewish evolutionary survival strategies, nobody who an ISP search might reveal has visited ‘Stormfront’ (which I seldom visit, by the way) or any other pro-white site that might post truthful information on the history of jewish predation directed at White European people for the last thousand years or so, nobody who owns a Confederate Flag or who has a stars & bars or other pro-Southern bumper sticker on their vehicle, no WW2 revisionists, etc. One by one, Mr. Kendall – you are attempting to ostracize the most dedicated and loyal White race realists by categorizing them into groups who you feel should be ‘banned’ by some mythical “White Nationalist Summit”, which would be presided over by a group of snobbish, intellectual narcissists and elitist ego-maniacs who are just as despicable as the current crop of hostile elites. In essence, you sound as though you would refuse to allow anyone who’s white who has ever breathed or written one word of White pride and White racial sanity and has had their positions recorded by the enemy to join our team.

    i must also say how disappointed I am with listening to Tom Sunic appear to buy into this entire mindset. Sunic has claimed in the past that he is fond of White Southerners and Southern Heritage groups – and I took him at his word. He has even done a recent broadcast on VOR with Kevin MacDonald and he and Macdonald made an effort to clear the air on this notion of who would be ‘approved’ for membership in the pro-White movement – and he clearly stated that all of our White racial kinsmen and women were welcome to join us in this fight. So, how he can sit there and hear you advocating that certain groups of whites should be ostracized or otherwise made to feel unwelcome – and appear to support you in that view, which is a clear contradiction to his previous statements on this subject?

    I will repeat my position: We cannot allow our mortal enemies to dictate to us what sort of criteria we should use to determine the qualifications or prerequisites that we adhere to in the area of drafting our team of warriors. You appear to be intimidated by this enemy and are therefore trying to find some way to appease them, while at the same time, trying to figure out how to fight them and win. This approach is a losing approach. This enemy, in case you haven’t noticed, plays by no rule book and is not a Chivalrous opponent. They do whatever it takes to win.

    What has James Edwards on the Political Cesspool continually and repeatedly advised his fellow whites to do? Never apologize, never grovel, never compromise, never retreat, and never surrender.

    And, to that advice I add: Never let the enemy write our playbook for us. We fight on our terms, using our rules and our tactics and if they offend the enemy, then that is just too bad.

    Its time to man up, Mr. Kendall and trade in our panties for a pair of boxer shorts.

  56. January 30, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    Curmudegeon: Well like I said above, virtually any movement that does not exalt diversity and Jewish privilege will be pretty much be attacked as either Nazi or stealth Nazi

    I think this was my quote, and that you’ve got me and and Curmudegeon switched around in this and another of your replies.

    There is a huge difference between individuals/groups/organizations being “attacked as Nazis” and those individuals/groups/organizations WHICH ACTUALLY ASCRIBE TO DOCTRINAL NAZI/NEO-NAZI IDEOLOGIES.

    For instance, George W. Bush has been called a “Nazi” in the mainstream press. Is he? Even remotely? …….

    Saddam Hussein was called a “Nazi” in the mainstream press. Was he? No – because a “Nazi” as classically understood and defined has to be a WHITE individual – which Hussein was not. Therefore, referring to him as a “Nazi” was the pejorative equivalent of calling someone a “faggot”, an “asshole”, or a “shithead”. It had no actual relational meaning to the classical meaning and definition of “Nazi”.

    What actually is the ‘classical meaning and definition of “Nazi” ‘, BTW? You expand on this definition a bit “ideological Nazi/National Socialists can truthfully be labeled as authentic, Hitler-inspired American Neo-Nazis.”
    What makes you so sure you know? The Frankfurt School postulated that Nazism originated in political conservatism and traditionalism, and that anyone with these characteristics was at least pretty close. From this standpoint calling GWB or other disliked right-wing figure of their choosing makes a certain amount of sense. You reject this approach, but do you really have a coherent and consistent approach that makes sense and is any more correct?

    That cleared up,

    so you assert

    either you have not understood this, or you are deliberately evading what I am stating here: that the “Third Position” or Third Way” socio-political ideas of Germany’s van den Bruck – when researched by mainstream media – WILL LEAD DIRECTLY TO THE SWASTIKA/HITLER/NAZISM. When you state “that van den Bruck’s ideas eventually fell out of favor with the Third Reich that is totally irrelevant.”

    They never were in favor in the Third Reich, I’m not sure why you say that is “totally irrelevant” except you assert the right to declare anything “totally irrelevant” that it doesn’t support your case.

    What makes you think any use of

    “Third Position” or Third Way” socio-political ideas …. when researched by mainstream media – WILL LEAD DIRECTLY TO THE SWASTIKA/HITLER/NAZISM.

    You firstly seem ignorant on your political terminology. Third Way is a approach among moderate socialism (commonly used as a smear term by Freeper types). “Third Position” is different and I think used by the A3P to differentiate itself from “Third Way”. “Third Position” is a well established term on the far right. It is basically used to differentiate itself and denote its willingness to criticize and set limits on the power of big business, something the right in general is often thought (and not incorrectly) as basically being a stooge for.

    Moeller was at least one of the first to use the term, but actually even few Third Positionists are aware of his influence, although I personally think he actually had some interesting insights.

    What you need to grasp (and no, I don’t “need” to read Spengler or any other Nazi-era individual)

    You say you don’t need to read Spengler or any other Nazi- era individual (I presume you include the recent TOO articles on Carl Schmidt) I guess your minds made up and you don’t want to be confused by the facts

    is that the A3P’s political genealogy is directely traceable to Hitler and Nazism – facts which cannot be said in regard to George W. Bush and Saddam Hussein when they are labeled “Nazis”.

    Really I as with the others are starting to find your brownbaiting, Nazi under every corner paranoia and approach not a whole lot different than Morris Dees’s. Sounds like you’d like to set up a SPLC parallel internal division of the A3P, diligently searching for and rooting out un-PC ideas which like Dees you term as Nazi’s. With friends like you, who needs enemies like the neocons or SPLC?

    What is so hard about starting with a fresh set of WN ideas?

    I guess for someone who has never had a fresh idea other than smearing everybody as “Nazis” Its difficult to appreciate the value of ideas. Go ahead, spend your whole life coming up with your own ideas, which you claim will be free from the taint of the past. If they are any good, our enemies will just draw the parallels to all those old nasty ideas you think you have disassociated yourself from, and say they are the same “hateful, neo-fascist” ideas as had been stated (in a much better form incidentally) before.

    AGAIN: Why are so many WN’s pathologically driven to ram World War II memories of death, destruction, and hell on earth into the forefront of white America’s collective consciousness in order to convince them that white racial survival is to their advantage?

    Err Ward, you’re the one here doing the ramming.

  57. January 30, 2012 - 5:53 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    What you need to grasp (and no, I don’t “need” to read Spengler or any other Nazi-era individual) is that the A3P’s political geneaology is directely traceable to Hitler and Nazism

    I really thought that the word nazi was more or less banned here because of its detraction from rational discourse. Sorry to see that it’s not.

    So far as I know, Arthur Moeller van den Bruck never joined the NSDAP. Yes he represented the kind of thinking that gave rise to national-socialism, but that’s true of many people, including Otto von Bismarck in some important respects. If you are equating traceability to Moeller van den Bruck with traceability to the NSDAP, you are just wrong.

  58. January 30, 2012 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza:

    I can only arrive at one conclusion- since NS cannot possibly be sold, its acceptance/advocacy originates from thy usual suspects, in order to guarantee failure.

    Are you accusing Tom Sunic because of his article about Carl Schmitt? Most of the discussion of N-S in the comments-section on TOO that I have seen starts with people like you complaining about the articles, or about a photo that accompanies an article.

    I would just as soon not see N-S be a constant subject here, because I dread monotony, but if people like you can’t leave it alone and keep repeating old false propaganda, I think I am entitled to answer. This old propaganda is maintained for a reason.

  59. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 30, 2012 - 5:12 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: That’s a great point. Yes, no real reason to try and change the minds of ‘hardcore’. We need someone who has studied how movements really expand. I suspect it will take a lot longer than people think – I don’t think we’ve even laid the foundation yet. That’s why, although I respect the intent behind A3P, I suspect its too soon to go retail. Not sure.

  60. January 30, 2012 - 5:02 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:
    None of your examples are really relevant.

    Of course the Federal Government’s recently developed habit of using “Civil Rights” charges for double jeopardy of politically incorrect defendants is wrong. The fact that the government does this, however, is in no way hidden. It has no bearing on Ed Steele’s case.

    Obama’s assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki was a crime in which the U.S. civilian justice system had no role. Again, no relevance to Ed Steele.

    About Conrad Black I don’t know enough to comment, except to note that some of Black’s case seems to have hinged on interpretations of the law. Black is not claiming any “Mission Impossible, world-class-level production.”

    Even if you can show that somebody sometime got a raw deal in court — and of course it has happened at times — it doesn’t mean that Ed Steele was framed.

    It is not reasonable to assume that Ed Steele was framed just because he criticized the establishment. That’s what you are doing, based on some supposed parallel examples that are really in no way analogous.

    A “Mission Impossible” story needs evidence to make it credible. But here we are two years later and there’s not a bit of evidence.

    Can we please stop running around like headless chickens and uncritically tossing money into the sewer every time somebody calling himself a White Nationalist gets himself into trouble? We shouldn’t be wasting our limited resources on empty pursuits. There needs to be some discretion about these things.

    If I were an enemy of White Nationalism and I were looking for a way to damage the cause, I would get on every WN forum and beat the drum for how WNs need to continue supporting Ed Steele. Empty your wallets some more! Make sure that worthwhile purposes get inadequate funding because you blew it all on Ed Steele! Make sure that you marginalize yourself as a conspiracy-nut too while you’re at it.

  61. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    January 30, 2012 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

    I can only arrive at one conclusion- since NS cannot possibly be sold, its acceptance/advocacy originates from thy usual suspects, in order to guarantee failure.

  62. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 30, 2012 - 3:58 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt: With Steve Sailer, I just don’t think he is a “white nationalist”, so it is what it is. He likes talking about various issues that revolve around ethnicity and gender that happen to be very politically incorrect, but I don’t think he has much interest in leading a crusade for Whites. But nonetheless, he brings forward a lot of material that proves races/groups are different, and that has value.

    I understand your dislike of too much emphasis on psychometrics, but I think it is valuable, and besides it’s the truth. The Left goes bonkers when differences in IQ or behavior are found to be genetically based, and they do so for a reason. The main argument of the other side has been that race doesn’t exist, so it is helpful to prove that it most certainly does.

  63. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 30, 2012 - 2:57 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    As the movement grows it will naturally become more centrist/liberal. This raises important issues which we should all be discussing.
    I’m not sure that trying to persuade hardliners to change their spots is particularly meaningful or productive. But what is an important question is how does a movement go mainstream, become much more broad minded and liberal, without losing its raison de etre of defending white interests?
    What is the magic formula that will keep the movement hardcore, while also becomign broad minded and more liberal (inevitable)
    I suspect the answer to this question – the magic formula – would also satisfactorily address issues raised by yourself and Ward.

  64. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 30, 2012 - 2:49 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    “as such, it will be torn to pieces by the mainstream media ”

    Even if we owned it? Not suggesting that’s a realistic possibility, but just as a way of pointing out that your position on this is dependent on the current environment not changing. Which it may not…but I just think it helps to make these assumptions explicit if possible.

  65. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 30, 2012 - 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Jasonspeaks
    Here, I’ll make it easy for Steve Sailer:focus on severe labor scarcities and how they have always been a geat benefit to White workers…so what if there had been a severe labor scarcity if the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed..it is very easy to refute the NAIRU nonsense ….then focus on the ecological consequences of post-1965 immigration..species extinction,water shortages and the massive loss of amentities..then focus incessantly on the H-1 and L-1 B visa programs..and after a while ask the following question:Why should Native Born White Americans be in favor of this? Sailer could start doing this right now..just take a look at his most recent posts on vdare:irrelevant policy wonk stuff…it is way too late in the game for this nonsense. As far as Buchannan goes..no excuse…he should have gone after the asians in his public speaking tour for his new book..Pat has a few million in the bank..even a million would make him safe…there no excuse at this point in time to pull his punches..it would increase the sales of all his book.

    Alex Jones pollutes and obcures the issues with his conspiracy theory insanity..he is most definitely a hucktser..corporate whore in the end.

  66. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 30, 2012 - 1:34 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Why does Alex Jones have to be a dis-information agent? Why can’t he just be a huckster making money off survivalists? It’s an old tradition in America. I agree almost everything Alex Jones says is half-baked nonsense, but I suspect he’s just a conman making a buck.

  67. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 30, 2012 - 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Curmudegeon: “Well like I said above, virtually any movement that does not exalt diversity and Jewish privilege will be pretty much be attacked as either Nazi or stealth Nazi…”

    There is a huge difference between individuals/groups/organizations being “attacked as Nazis” and those individuals/groups/organizations WHICH ACTUALLY ASCRIBE TO DOCTRINAL NAZI/NEO-NAZI IDEOLOGIES.

    For instance, George W. Bush has been called a “Nazi” in the mainstream press. Is he? Even remotely? No. He’s a despicable apologizer for illegal brown aliens, cultural marxism, and all the rest of the liberal/”conservative” synthesis that dominates and controls the US government and the minds of its declining white population.

    Saddam Hussein was called a “Nazi” in the mainstream press. Was he? No – because a “Nazi” as classically understood and defined has to be a WHITE individual – which Hussein was not. Therefore, referring to him as a “Nazi” was the pejorative equivalent of calling someone a “faggot”, an “asshole”, or a “shithead”. It had no actual relational meaning to the classical meaning and definition of “Nazi”.

    That cleared up, either you have not understood this, or you are deliberately evading what I am stating here: that the “Third Position” or Third Way” socio-political ideas of Germany’s van den Bruck – when researched by mainstream media – WILL LEAD DIRECTLY TO THE SWASTIKA/HITLER/NAZISM. When you state that van den Bruck’s ideas eventually fell out of favor with the Third Reich that is totally irrelevant.

    What you need to grasp (and no, I don’t “need” to read Spengler or any other Nazi-era individual) is that the A3P’s political geneaology is directely traceable to Hitler and Nazism – facts which cannot be said in regard to George W. Bush and Saddam Hussein when they are labeled “Nazis”.

    See the difference, Curmudgeon?

    Anybody can be smeared as a “Nazi” – white, yellow, brown, or black. But only ideological Nazi/National Socialists can truthfully be labeled as authentic, Hitler-inspired American Neo-Nazis.

    With that definition in place, then there is no question whatsover that the American Third Position Party is a Neo-National Socialism entity and, as such, it will be torn to pieces by the mainstream media along with anyone who has ever had any sort of authentic Neo-Nazi sympathies or connections – which some members of that party’s staff certainly have.

    AGAIN: What is so hard about starting with a fresh set of WN ideas? Why are so many WN’s pathologically driven to ram World War II memories of death, destruction, and hell on earth into the forefront of white America’s collective consciousness in order to convince them that white racial survival is to their advantage?

    Ward Kendall

  68. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 30, 2012 - 1:25 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt: We are in a very corrupt media environment and the rules of the Fairy Tale do not prevail. It would be nice if one person could stand alone, speak the truth about race in no uncertain terms, and go on to triumph. Of course, usually he is completely destroyed, along with his family. No good of any kind follows. So, I don’t know what the answer is, except it’s not as simple, “just tell the truth son and God will protect you”. Apparently, God doesn’t protect you nor do White people support you. You are simply torn to shreds and never heard from again.

    I’m noticing a certain Fairy Tale-ism among WNs, whether it is the belief in End Times (in which oceans of blood will be spilled in a mighty battle to end all battles), or that Some Time Real Soon Now™ whites are going to magically wake up, shuck off decades of indoctrination and demand a White Homeland in the next 5 years, or the belief that if a man tells the truth in a corrupt environment, no harm will come to him and it will create a wildfire of national White Resistance. These are Fairy Tales.

    Typically, people will utter the slightest bit of un-PC thinking and be totally slammed for it and have NO white people come to their defense. So while it’s easy for us to anonymously advise public figures to commit harry carry, is it always the smart thing to do? It’s a very difficult journey to even approach White issues, in public, under your own real name. I think those that do deserve some support.

  69. January 30, 2012 - 1:06 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    I am neither an Alex Jones “believer”, nor a “hard core Steele- believer”. Both raise issues in an abrasive manner. Often the issues are legitimate, but their conclusions or suggested solutions may be off base. I consider Jones to be a dis-information agent.
    There are occasions where the government fails to convict, but they are rare. Their propaganda organ goes into overdrive before a trial starts, virtually ensuring a biased jury.

    At thei risk of going further off topic, I will give you 3 examples:
    1) The “racist cops” convicted of “beating” Rodney King. The court ignored the high speed car chase; the other black passengers exiting the vehicle and being led away with no incident; or King assaulting the police upon exiting the vehicle.
    2) Conrad Black, a corporate raider who speaks his mind, convicted of fraud and obstruction of justice. Ignored by the court was the fact that Hollinger International’s Board approved the terms of the sale; there was a legal opinion stating non-compete fees were legal; and that the obstruction of justice was removal of items from his office in Toronto, Canada, which is outside the court’s jurisdiction. No charges were laid in Canada, 90% of the items were personal effects, and the remaining effects which he claimed to be personal, were un-related to the trial. They got their “bad boy CEO”.
    3) An American citizen, living in Yemen, was declared guilty of unproven allegations by the current President, and executed by drone.
    I could add Deborah Jean Palfrey, who never got to trial.
    The people in control of western governments do not play nice, and will stop at nothing to silence or discredit those who would expose them.

  70. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 30, 2012 - 1:05 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt: Steve Sailer has developed some pretty original ideas with regard to race, ethnicity and gender. He’s not a Hard Man of White Nationalism™ but so what? He still adds value. He doesn’t siphon off potential hardcore, bellicose Might Men from what I can see. Same thing with Vdare and Amren. Pat Buchanan has been fired for his latest book.

    Why would we want all these people to destroy their careers? Pat could have said he was a explicitly pro-White 20 years ago and we would never have heard from him again. Maybe he’d show up in the odd youtube video or have a blog no one reads, but that’s it. Now, his choosing to run with a black running mate was silly. But he’s been obviously trying to broach serious topic while reaching widest possible audience.

  71. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    January 30, 2012 - 12:43 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    That is: Steele got it the worst, with what 50 years, so the assholes out in Idaho could look good back in Washington.

  72. January 30, 2012 - 12:30 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    Thanks for the link. I expect to see Syria named next week.

  73. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 30, 2012 - 11:40 am | Permalink

    icr
    Why do you accept John Derbyshire as an self- annointed authority of political grassroots activism? It is obvioulsy a very nasty attack on Jared Taylor. John Derbyshire is pulling an Auster on Jared Taylor..lets be honest…Auster demonizes Native Born White American Patriots who don’t give their blind allegiance to the state of Israel…Derbyshire is demonizing Native Born White American Patriots who don’t enthusiastically support increasing the importation of the Asian Legal immigrant “geniuses”

    I have never been an AR conference..this year would be an easy drive for me…but I have seen very serious immigration reform activism very close up..I have met many ordinary Native Born White Americans who decided to revolt against immigration because they were victims of post-1965 immigration policy..I have met Native Born White American Men who have been violently assaulted on contruction sites in California and threatened with violence on construction sites by Mexicans in Westchster County NY..I have met and know Native Born White American Men who were threatened with violence by Hispanics during street corner protests against post-1965 Immigration Policy…. these are all White Men with families to support.

    There are a majority of AR readers and conference attendees who do not recognize the Asian geneline in our America as the master race..something the English Foriegner John Deryshire very much insists we do. Derbyshire believes he has married into the master race. In a letter criculating on the internet, Derbyshire expressed his preference for living among asians in America. Derbyshire hates his own kind. And he hates the fact that many AR conference attendees resist race-replacement at the hands of Asians in our America. I have no doubt that at one point in time that Derbyshire thought that AR would be sypmathetic to Asian immigration because of Jared’s enthusiam for IQ test scores and race. But Jared found out that a majority of AR readers and attendees at AR cconferences do not accept being race-replaced by Asians in California and other places.

    If it wasn’t for grassroots-labor-peasant revolts there would be no eight work day, and child labor would be the norm in America. Labor leader Bill Blizzard and his men fought a violent armed struggle against concentrated economic power on Blair Mountian in the early part of the 19th century..these were normal White Men with families..as were the strikers that Rockfeller’s death squads slaughtered over a 100 years ago.

    John Deryshire abnormal depressing athiest who hates his own kind..if he didn’t he wouldn’t have slandered Jared Taylor..Derbyshire the English Foreigner lives in..and swims in…a spiritual,cultural..and demograpic septic tank

  74. icr's Gravatar icr
    January 30, 2012 - 9:44 am | Permalink

    John Derbyshire’s observations on political activism:
    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/USPolitics/ronpaul.html

    It is a fact, a sad but a true one, that grass-roots political activism, the heart and soul of any democracy, attracts a lot of lunatics. I used to be a constituency activist for the Tory party in Kings Cross, London. Of the twenty or so people who turned up regularly to meetings, four or five were noticeably deranged (or, as an elderly fellow-Tory was wont to murmur in my ear when one of these cranks sought the meeting’s attention, “not quite sixteen annas to the rupee”). One or two were barking mad. My favorite was a gent with an Albert Einstein hairstyle and a permanent ferocious glare who, at every darn meeting, would try to advance his pet project for a law against class discrimination. (This was at a time, in the early 1980s, when laws against racial discrimination were being passed, to much controversy.)

    If it’s like that in the Tory party, one of the Anglosphere’s oldest and solidest, at the heart of an ancient metropolis, I can imagine how thing are further away from the political center. A friend of mine, a brilliant, charming, and highly civilized man I shall call X, runs a fringe political group here in the U.S. He invited me to one of the group’s annual conferences. Not sure what to expect, I asked a mutual friend, name of Y, who had attended a previous year’s conference. “Well,” said Y, “there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you’d be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies.” I decided not to take up X’s invitation.

    Do you think, like I do, that the last paragraph was alluding to Jared Taylor and AR ?

  75. Hooper's Gravatar Hooper
    January 30, 2012 - 8:28 am | Permalink

    I am curious if anyone knows anything more in depth about the viscerally anti-white “un-fair” campaign in Minnesota. Where did this come from all of a sudden? I wonder if it’s a reaction to something…perhaps what the Tribe perceives as a white populace increasingly unwilling to fall on their swords at every opportunity. But this campaign seems over the top though, even by Tribal standards. I wonder if this has the potential to backfire. As we all know, the Tribe has the tendency to eventually overplay its hand. As American whites continue to get destroyed in more and more tangible ways, I can’t imagine all but the most convinced fellow traveler whites will, at the very least, feel rather uncomfortable about this, if not outright disgust.

  76. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 30, 2012 - 8:28 am | Permalink

    Richard
    No doubt about it. This is why it is absolutely crucial at this point in time for the Celebrities of the Native Born White American Patriot Movement to make their pitch directly to their fellow Native Born White Americans. There is no debate anymore with the enemy…we don’t accept race-replacement..there is no economic justification for it…we now read the race-replacement enhusiasts the riot act…let them know in no uncertain terms that what they are advocating will trigger and ignite a full-blown Native Born White American race-revolt against race-replacement. This is precisely what Jared Taylor and Pat Buchannan should have stated with no apologies in their respective new books. Unfotunately, both of their books were anemic at best…Buchannan..because he advocates a temporary time-out on legal nonwhite immigration..is engaging in race-treason as are his expert advisors for his new book..Steve Sailer and Peter Brimelow. Without out a doubt Steve Sailer is 100 percent irrlelevant to the race-replacement revolt..so why does Peter Brimelow post his commentary?

    Jared Taylor will most defintely get his opportunities to speak to his fellow Native Born White Americans in the upcomming years..he needs to get his pitch-rap right….ask his fellow Native Born White Americans what they are willing to give up for racial minority status within the borders of “America”…

  77. Rick's Gravatar Rick
    January 30, 2012 - 8:16 am | Permalink

    Great post wattylersrevolt, people like you make me more confident that I am in the right arena.

  78. January 30, 2012 - 12:10 am | Permalink

    brush off, in the sense of ignore and move beyond.

  79. January 30, 2012 - 12:09 am | Permalink

    The thing to do is to brush off the labels and concentrate on discussing facts. That’s where we win.

  80. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 30, 2012 - 12:07 am | Permalink

    @Richard:
    Hi Richard, You have a real treat in front of you – if you haven’t already read it, begin with the Hobbit. Great fun!

    I have been enjoying CWNY. Thanks for the recommendation.

  81. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    January 30, 2012 - 12:05 am | Permalink

    @Philopater:

    And Whites ARE waking up. A year and a half ago I would never have gone to a site like this, much less posted here! The left knows this. Why do you think those racists have been ratcheting up the anti-White hatespeech in Minnesota?

    I can relate. And I agree that a lot more people are awake than it might appear on the surface. Like an iceberg. People are just waiting for their friends and neighbors to be the first to admit, “I like White people.” “Hey, me too!”

    We have to create a safe atmosphere for us Whites to admit that we prefer the company of other White people. I think our public image should be a positive one.

    This site is a blessing. Thanks to everyone who helps make it possible.

    Have a good week.

  82. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    January 29, 2012 - 11:43 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: @Jason Speaks:

    I haven’t read The Lord of the Rings trilogy, but I have seen the movies. And I love them; they really inspire me. I’m not the hugest fan of the fight sequences, but I love the adventure and heart of the movies. And I definitely understand why some people see them as very pro-White. For starters, every single character (that isn’t some kind of unattractive villain) is White.

    In the first movie, Aragorn, the king-in-exile, says:

    I do not know what strength is in my blood but I swear to you, I will not let the White City fall nor our people fail.

    Hopefully I will read the trilogy someday. Another hope I have is that the movies will continue to wake up more White people. I think their (the movies’) role in this cause is significant. (Again, I haven’t read the books, so I can only speak about the movies.)

  83. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 29, 2012 - 11:11 pm | Permalink

    @Philopater: Welcome aboard and good points. Some people use the term “race realist’, but the main point is to showcase the anti-White hate we see everywhere. Hopefully, more Whites really are catching on.

  84. January 29, 2012 - 11:08 pm | Permalink

    @Philopater:

    Please stop using the hate-word “racist” to describe Whites who don’t embrace self genocide. Genuine racists are haters of Whites and want to extinguish us. Call them racists. Use the enemy’s tool and throw it back in their face. Why the hell are we racists for not wanting to be killed?

    I am so bored with this rhetoric of calling the other guys “the real racists.” Considering race to be important is a good thing. If you try to say that the other guys are “the real racists” it just confirms that being called a racist bothers you.

  85. Philopater's Gravatar Philopater
    January 29, 2012 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Hey guys and gals:

    Please stop using the hate-word “racist” to describe Whites who don’t embrace self genocide. Genuine racists are haters of Whites and want to extinguish us. Call them racists. Use the enemy’s tool and throw it back in their face. Why the hell are we racists for not wanting to be killed? Stop glorifying Trotsky with your speech.

    If the left started calling WNs “child molesters”, would you say “well then I’m proud to be a …” No, and if you were smart you wouldn’t even waste time defending against the attack. You would simply call the left what they are, a sick organization of pedophiles.

    And Whites ARE waking up. A year and a half ago I would never have gone to a site like this, much less posted here! The left knows this. Why do you think those racists have been ratcheting up the anti-White hatespeech in Minnesota?

  86. January 29, 2012 - 10:39 pm | Permalink

    @Tom:

    Steele got it he worst with what 50 years so the assholes out in Idaho could look good back in Washington.

    Go right ahead and flush another $120,000 down the toilet for an argument that nobody outside of the WN forum community could ever take seriously.

    Remember that whenever anybody calling himself a White Nationalist says that he was framed by the government, it has to be true; also remember that it’s completely impossible that somebody who understands how you think about this could be playing on your bias.

  87. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 29, 2012 - 10:27 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: completely agree. Joe

  88. January 29, 2012 - 9:25 pm | Permalink

    @Karl Ramstrom:

    Okie: “If you and some others interested in greater economic fairness would do some investigation of Third Position and its concepts I think it might be benificial.”

    …..As for Moeller van den Bruck, he was not impressed with Adolf Hitler, dismissing him as a “rude proletarian”. Shortly thereafter, van den Bruck committed suicide. Even so, the Nazis were impressed with van den Bruck’s socio-economic ideas…

    Moeller’s early death helped prevent the open confrontation between him and his conservatism with the Nazi’s that Oswald Spengler encountered (see for instance Hadding Scott’s page on Spengler ). Consequently there was some confusion between Moeller’s thought and Nazism. But by the mid 30′s the Nazi’s had rejected Moeller (they referred to “the Moeller cult) and criticized the confusion of his ideas with Nazism.

    If they did initially appropriate Moeller’s and some other of the revolutionary conservatives ideas (like The Third Reich, Spengler’s “Prussian Socialism”) they did so in a rather parasitic, ad hoc way, i.e. generally just using their symbolic or sloganeering content. And after the night of the long knives they embarked on a “debunking of ideas”(ideedammarung) and had no use for any ideas as such, least of all the ideas they once had been associated with.

    The problem with Third Position or “Third Way” political strategies is that – in the final accounting – it is irrevocably tied to Adolf Hitler (*sigh*…once again) and a period in history that cost 60 million lives. White Americans will never support any political party that is demonstrably rooted in Neo-Nazism or the more sweetly perfumed “National Socialism”.
    ……………………………………………………………….
    The question is: will sufficient numbers of white Americans be attracted to the “Third Position” – once the mainstream media peels back its history, laying bare its Hitlerian/Third Reich connections? In other words, does anything in America pass the “stink test” with Joe Sixpack and Sally Soccermom if it’s associated with the swastika?

    Well it’s not Joe Sixpack and not much of Sally Soccermom, its the commentators they listen to who influence them, although they do take even these with a grain of salt. And you’re right of course, the lamestream media along with rest of the class Burnham called “the opinion managers”
    will put the swastika on anything we want to do. Any sort of call for national revival that does not “embrace diversity” is going to be hit with that label.

    Are we trying to win? If we are, and if promoting some new, sweeter-smelling Nazism can rid our country of minorities, I’ll start jackbooting in the streets myself.

    So, which path do we take?

    You and Ward Kendall seem to be confused about how not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. You need to know what you fundamentally stand for and are all about. Like the country song says, “you’ve got to stand for something or you’ll fall for anything”.

    1 – Stealth-Nazism, under cover of arcane socio-economic theories that the average Joe doesn’t know (or care) about…

    Well like I said above, virtually any movement that does not exalt diversity and Jewish privilege will be pretty much be attacked as either Nazi or stealth Nazi (American Renaissance being a good example, at least in that associated category of “hate group”. Do you personally think yourself that
    such categorization is accurate? That anything good/opposing diversity is really either Nazism or stealth Nazism? If you’re confused on the issue yourself, you aren’t going to help anyone else out.

    2 – Full-on, NSM-style Third Positionism, with swastika flags, uniforms, etc? (at least they’re not attempting to fool anyone about their true beliefs)

    Here you are spreading disinformation. Third Position and NS are not the same, even Wikipedia (read that Wikipedia link I gave again) does not say that Third position equates to Swastikas. But yes, Third Position, while completely obscure to most even here it will be imputed by some to have some historical baggage.

    History isn’t always something we can avoid without cost. Professor MacDonald for instance has recognized that to critique Jewish power we need to look at the Third Reich and understand much of their critique of Jewish power was not nearly as irrational and baseless as it is not only fashionable but generally understood. Yes, saying so means the SPLC and useful idiots of such will in fact accuse us of being evil, and for some no amount of convincing to the contrary will be adequate.

    3 – Or perhaps… The American 4th Position This fourth position avoids the tri-pronged devil’s fork of RepDemoNotzism in favor of building a pro-white socio-political movement sans the lead-weight baggage of multiracial McDemocracy on the one hand, and the lead-weight memories of a smashed Europe, 60 million dead scattered from the charred cinders of Berlin to the nuked-out rubble of Nagasaki – all shoved right back into the public consciousness every time we try to win over whites with appeals to this dark period in history.

    Well I’m not sure what meaning “4th position” has, (it has no symbolic value) but if you can show me how adding “one” to a term can have such a wonderful effect, I’d be willing to consider it.

    My way, you may ask?

    CONVINCE our fellow white Americans that we’re not “evil”. For without leaping that hurdle, we are going nowhere. Beyond that, SHOW our fellow white Americans that we CAN build a better, safer, more prosperous, and – ultimately – a country where every citizen can be proud of both what we do but also of what heights we plan to reach. Fire the imagination with those kinds of ideas, and then we will truly be on a pathway to salvation.

    You sound like you’re ready to fall for anything. If you’re willing to embrace diversity and accept Jewish privilege , what you’re trying to do is easy, and already being done by the establishment. If what you really want to do is to reject diversity and Jewish privilege and still avoid accusations that you’re evil, …. just forget it.

  89. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    January 29, 2012 - 9:06 pm | Permalink

    @Okiereddust:

    Duke, Traficant, and Steele all got raw deals.

    Duke got done in by a woman scorned, Steele by his handyman, and Traficant by his own “Irish Catholic” chief of staff—who later ran for his Congressional seat.

    Steele has gotten the rawest deal of all. Prison time wise Duke got off easy with a14 month plea deal, Jimbo T. did what 7 years because of a Catholic backstabber. Steele got it he worst with what 50 years so the assholes out in Idaho could look good back in Washington.

  90. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 29, 2012 - 7:12 pm | Permalink

    @Heather Blue:
    The Catholic Church has made an appeal to its members that they owe it to our fore bearers and children to demand the same religious freedom as a Jewish Deli owner.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/here-is-the-anti-obama-administration-letter-that-was-read-to-almost-every-catholic-sitting-in-church-today-2012-1?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=politics

  91. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 29, 2012 - 6:43 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    A valid point. I certainly cannot prove the contention, but I think if you contrast the tone of the linked piece to Dershowitz 1991 book Chutzpuh there is a change in tone.

    They are clearly aware that you don’t have to be a Nazi to be angry about the banking system. People are reminded that the Magna Carta of 1215 had provisions demanding that widows not be evicted by the Jews. Some things never change.

    I take hope from the fact that younger Jews are fully aware that Israel is making life a lot more difficult for them here at a difficult and dangerous time speaking out to save them themselves.

    As the entire structure that they have built since the FDR administration crumbs around us people see that it delivered on no promises and the only ones who got rich in the process, for the most part, are Jews. They are doing better than any other ethnic group in America. We may be dumb – we ain’t blind.

  92. January 29, 2012 - 6:41 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    I can organize and fashion a far better and more professional uniformed American N–i Party than George Lincoln Rockwell, Jeff Schoep, or Bill White ever did. MY N–is would look, act, and function like the original models.

    I doubt it since you seem to be dealing with a Hollywood stereotype.

    Ordinary members of the NSDAP did not wear uniforms. That was their security-arm, the SA. Every political party in Germany had such a uniformed security-arm, because it was necessary. Contrary to popular perception in the USA, wearing uniforms has nothing specifically to do with national-socialism.

  93. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 29, 2012 - 6:40 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: On 19 Arabs, you can see where this is morphing over time…
    http://goo.gl/KuJbD

  94. January 29, 2012 - 6:28 pm | Permalink

    @Tom:

    There is only one odd problem I note with the two-party success of LaRouche and Duke: both went to jail

    The LaRouchies were actually out there scamming old ladies, the feeble and the infirm—they were lucky that more of them didn’t go to jail in various States.

    Since his time in prison, LaRouche & company have been on their good behavior. Scared straight? LOL.

    Really there have been so many politically motivated prosecutions in the last few years its hard for me to know about each one. And most people tend to assume politicians are crooks anyway, and so chortle when one gets there due, even when their positions and situations aren’t that far apart.

    I don’t know the LaRouchian situation exactly. David Duke however was targeted by the same tactic that’s become a favorite for politically motivated persecutions – campaign finance laws. The same way they got Traficant and Tom Delay. Here in Oklahoma even the WSJ complained about a similar tactic invoked by Democratic AG Drew Edmondson and Governor Henry against some right -wing but very respectable Republicans. Don Black of course had a very compelling defense of Duke over at his site.

    Basically if you are an out-of-favor political group that gets targeted, they’ll go after every one of the voluminous documents, particularly the campaign finance documents, you have to file. If there are substantial sums of money involved especially you’d better have every “i” dotted and “t” crossed. It’s no joke.

  95. January 29, 2012 - 6:25 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:

    When a government says someone is guilty, they will be found guilty, irrespective of the evidence.

    I will address this one thing, since it seems to be a widespread belief. Big counterexample: the Fort Smith Sedition Trial, where all defendants were found not guilty.

    The main reason why the Federal Government almost always wins in court is that they don’t prosecute when they think they might lose.

    This myth that the Federal Government cultivates, that they can’t be beaten in court, strengthens the government’s power. It makes defendants feel that they have to plea-bargain or they will go to prison for sure. Those fanatics at Fort Smith back in 1987 didn’t plea-bargain when they knew that they were innocent, and they won.

  96. January 29, 2012 - 6:16 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: I am not going to deal with your strawman arguments. It ain’t that complicated.

    The hardcore Steele-believers, I’ve noticed, are also by and large Alex Jones believers. This is a mindset that we could do better without, in my opinion, if we are not to waste whatever resources we have in false directions.

  97. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 29, 2012 - 5:15 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: I hope white people respond as soon as possible. You ask how long it can go on, and I suspect for a long time. I know whites in Texas that are fed up too, but they’ve been fed up for 40 years. Somehow it isn’t accomplishing anything. This is what I think: We won’t see change until substantial minorities of whites are actually willing to publicly state they prefer white people. Not in code, not with a wink, not in some ironic sense, but full-on: They want to be around whites. It doesn’t have to be an in-your-face kind of thing, because everyone has different personalities. It doesn’t mean you have to do it at work if it means losing your job. But some way, they have to explicitly be pro-White, at least in their heart. Again, not as some vague “fear of the ghetto” (which they keep thinking they can move away from), but as a commitment to the idea that whites build better communities and they want to support that.

    Then we may start seeing change.

  98. January 29, 2012 - 5:01 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:
    It wasn’t Okie, it was me.
    It really doesn’t matter what party produces a platform in opposition to the current Republo-Crat economic position. It will be labelled fascist, communist, racist, or some other pejorative term by those behind the green curtain. I say embrace it. “If wanting more control of government for citizens means I’m a fascist/communist/racist, then I plead guilty…” etc. is a saner way to proceed than to run and hide.

    @ Joe Webb: I’m not clear on your definition of National Capitalism. I will only say this. Unfettered capitalism/crony capitalism/corrupt government capitalism is the reason for the mess we are in. Governments must have effective regulations on businesses, otherwise the business world will always rush to have a model of increased economic disparity. The government may have to compete directly in some sectors to keep businesses honest. True Nationalist governments will always have some element of socialism in order to protect the well being of citizens. With the Chosen One business schools being the model of today, it will take decades to break the insanity being taught.

  99. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 29, 2012 - 4:52 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:
    I concur. I am not sure we have developed a wise approach to our people. There are huge numbers of people in America that have no voice that is not paid for by the opponent. We must reach out, wisely, to our entire community.

  100. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 29, 2012 - 4:45 pm | Permalink

    What evidence is there for claiming that A3P is sullied by fascism?

    I agree that all connections to historical fascism must not be part of our politics and any “platform.”

    However, we study 20th C. Fascism as an historical development that arose to counter totalitarian, universalistic, egalitarian, and race equality promoting Communism. We also note that the single largest component in communism was conscious Jewish subversion of the West.

    All of that said, I support those on this list arguing for a complete rejection, at the level of practical politics, of historical fascism, and the use of the term for political communication.

    I also regard those few of us who think they are National Socialists, to think hard about the political reality of today, as opposed to that of a hundred years ago in Europe. Communism is dead, Liberalism is gasping for air, and the Jews remain triumphant but worried. Jewish triumphalism is going to bring them down and the last thing we need are folks strutting their Purity. We need pragmatism while never wavering from our goal of a White America.

    Some say, this is unrealistic. We will see. Joe

  101. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    January 29, 2012 - 4:35 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    Hi Mr. Kendall

    I disagree with Luke’s assertion that you are some kind of mole.

    (I’m not knocking Luke or looking down on him; I like his passion for this movement, but I think it is misguided in this case.)

    I don’t think it’s helpful for us to go around accusing others of being “trolls” or “moles” without evidence.

    I like your presence here.

    Have a good Sunday, all.

  102. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 29, 2012 - 4:34 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt: “fascistic” corporations is about as incorrect at it can get. Corporations are “LIberal” in every sense of the word: Classically LIberal in economics, liberal in Race Equality, Liberal (Libertarian ) in immigration, and in Final Status approach to internationalism..absolutely anti-nationalist.

    It is important to keep Categories straight. 20th century Fascism was Anti-LIberal in every way, including its opposition to International Capitalism.

    Now, economics is not politics. The corporate form in business organziation and governance has zero to do with the latin “corps” one body. The corporate state is not the business form. The business “corporation” has nothing to do with a corporate state…one body…which WN is all about. One country, one race, one people.

    Business corporations Are authoritarian but not totalitarian. Totalitarian can only mean something real if there are no alternative avenues to be had.

    The business corporation is like a military organization. Nothing wrong with that in theory. However, is the millitary or business corporation on WN’s side? NO.

    So please do not sully the term ” Fascism” by muddying the water. Economics is still a separate domain from Politics. Yet, Politics will subordinate Economics in WN. Right now, the Liberal form of politics allows economics to run the world.

    We oppose Globalization, Libertarianism (as a truly “reactionary” politics left over from the 19th C.), and the business form of the Corporation when it attains more or less absolute power. Politics must be sovereign, not money. Joe

  103. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 29, 2012 - 3:58 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: great points. J

  104. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 29, 2012 - 3:51 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: good points. The racial polarization reflected in the current demographics of our two political parties sustains, I think, my general point.

    Races do mix at public events but that does not mean that they enjoy it.

    I live in a liberal area in mid-peninsula SF bay area. Mexer crime here is almost an everyday occurrence reported in the local papers. Whites I talk to are very unhappy about it. In just one day, last Thursday, there was a mexer on trial, and 3 mexers robbing a guy at Stanford Shopping Center in Palo Alto…broad daylight. Very tony shopping center.

    This is registering. People get it, even liberals.

    Indeed, how long can it go on? The local cops know the score. I gave the whole 9 yards to a couple cops in my area…they loved it, smiling from ear to ear…WN 9 yards.

    It may take some time, but if more war and economic failures continue, it will accelerate. I talked to an old friend in south Texas. He says his town is now 75% mexer. Whites hate it. The local Border Control is mostly mexer, and corrupt, he says. The good ol’ boys in the South will be the first to start shooting. And they don’t have to waste ammo on LIberals because there aren’t many. J

  105. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 29, 2012 - 3:36 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: The jewyorktimes or the WSJ had a story last week on the current melt-down of good jobs and good pay. The gains of the last 70 years for ordinary folks have been wiped out by the last 10 years.

    this is why we need a National Capitalism, which means that international capital flows would be minimized and heavily overseen by WN economists.

    The libertarians amongst us are deluded by jews and misled by White Individualism. J

  106. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 29, 2012 - 3:26 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: thanks for this lucid piece. Maybe I will read it. j

  107. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 29, 2012 - 2:52 pm | Permalink

    LUKE: @Ward Kendall: Mr. Kendall sounds suspiciously like an enemy mole who is infiltrating the ranks of White race realists/White Nationalists and attempting to convince them that they absolutely MUST repeat the very same mistakes that pro-White organizations have done in the past. Either that, or he is woefully ill-informed and embarrassingly uneducated in the area of studying our #1 enemy and learning how to recognize their tactics and strategies and then making dog-goned sure we do not allow these tactics and strategies to be successfully used on us again.”

    @LUKE – It’s rather ironic, considering the above comments you made, that Jared Taylor’s latest book “White Identity” is being advertised. I mention Mr. Taylor because the accusations you recklessly made against me could just have well applied to him, all with a little matter of a name change:

    @Jared Taylor: Mr. Taylor sounds suspiciously like an enemy mole who is infiltrating the ranks of White race realists/White Nationalists and attempting to convince them that they absolutely MUST repeat the very same mistakes that pro-White organizations have done in the past. Either that, or he is woefully ill-informed and embarrassingly uneducated in the area of studying our #1 enemy and learning how to recognize their tactics and strategies and then making dog-goned sure we do not allow these tactics and strategies to be successfully used on us again.*

    *For the record, Mr. Taylor has appeared on the Phil Donahue Show and has stated that “Jews look white to him” and that he “has no problems with them”. Furthermore, his New Century Foundation and American Renaissance conferences have welcomed Jews into their ranks.

    So I have to ask you Luke: why do you pick on wittle ol’ me when there’s a much bigger fish out there – one who works hand in hand with Jews?

    My advice: don’t slander people without backing it up with FACTS.

  108. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 29, 2012 - 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Okie: “@Ward Kendall: I guess I’m missing something. A political platform of opposing corporate control of government, ending mass immigration, “free” trade, and seeing good paying jobs return to the country is a direct link to Nazi Germany?”

    It is not the “political platform” per se that can be traced to Nazi Germany, but the American Third Position PARTY.

    As I pointed out in a previous post, the moment the A3P ventures out into the boiling sea of national politics, the sharks of mainstream media will surround their candidates, their handlers, their major policy makers, and everyone else involved with them in a feeding frenzy of journalistic savagery, shredding ever person involved right down to the bone.

    And that’s when the Neo-Nazi connections will come to light, floating in bloody ribbons of truth far more damaging than similar incidents involving GOP candidate Ron Paul.

    But hey, maybe that would be a good thing.

    No sarcasm here, but should we just shuck all the secretive mumbo-jumbo and just go full-on Nazi? I’m serious. If that’s what most WN supporters believe and want, then let’s do it – but do it right. In fact, false modesty aside, I can organize and fashion a far better and more professional uniformed American Nazi Party than George Lincoln Rockwell, Jeff Schoep, or Bill White ever did. MY Nazis would look, act, and function like the original models. All that’s needed is for the deep pockets of A3P to finance it.

    Moving on, I think I should also add that I find Merlin Miller and Viginia Abernethey to be fine, upstanding people with impressive credentials. True, I’ve found no evidence yet that either one has any real political experience – even as the mayor of Mayberry – but maybe that’s not important for a WN presidential candidate to have. Afterall, Billy Roper ran as a WN presidential candidate on far less.

    Furthermore, I’d also like to know more about these two candidates, at least as much as I do about our mainstream GOP/Dem candidates. Yet…very little has been revealed, other than college degrees, military service, and a few podcast interviews. I mean, just WHO are these people we would give the power to launch nuclear weapons to, if by some miracle they ever got elected?

    Yes, side issues, of course…

    Even so, I really do believe transparency is sorely lacking in the white nationalist movement. Truth is our most formidable weapon…but too often we simply choose deception instead.

  109. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 29, 2012 - 2:30 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: @Luke: Well as Luke said, the Jews are always paranoid, it’s an ethnic trait, so the fact that they are writing articles expressing great fear over “rise of anti-Semitism” seems par for the course. They are always making such statements and using this fear as a basis for new Hate Crime legislation and to drum up donations for SPLC and ADL. We could go back 40 years or 100 years and see the same expressions of fear. That doesn’t prove anything as far as I can tell, except that Jews suffer from kind of self-centered persecution complex (which they project so strongly they often make it come true).

    If you look at the number of Jews in power and the extent of Jewish control in America, I don’t think it’s ever been stronger. Jews are 1/3 of the Supreme Court! 25% of the Harvard student body is Jewish. So the fact that we see articles expressing fear of Anti-Semitism doesn’t prove anything to me. It can actually be a sign of how great their power has grown that they can now define the tiniest resistance as “anti-Semitic”.

  110. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 29, 2012 - 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Luke: “Any individual who claims to be one of us, but who advocates that we must allow jews to join our movement…”

    I was wondering when “Stormfront tactics” would be unleashed on this forum. For those of you not familiar with this infamous WN tactic it labels those whom it disagrees with as “jews, ADL plants, FBI agents, COINTELPRO operatives” – ad nauseum.

    It is the tactic of a coward. Notice that I am being labeled a “Jew agent” of one sort or another and that I advocate letting Jews join the WN Cause.

    My challenge to such slanderers as this: PROVE IT.

    To the Moderator: Believe me, I can take the heat and I can make very hot for those that use lying tactics like this. What I ask of you is whether or not your going to “Stormfront” me – i.e. – letting posters like this lie and slander me because YOU agree with them – or let free debate and commentary continue here. I trust you will choose the latter.

    Ward Kendall

  111. MIckey Meadows's Gravatar MIckey Meadows
    January 29, 2012 - 1:25 pm | Permalink

    @Luke:

    Luke – I can relate to what Ward is saying. I think he’s just seen how awful the situation is. For someone who has seen that, things change from concepts of doing things like knights, to just doing anything that has any chance of working.
    I agree with Ward that where the realization of something…some agenda by some movement….would be good for the whites without the movement itself being explicity WN or connected to WN, then it does add up that it would be better if that movement wasn’t WN or connected to WN. This is because it’d have a better chance of succeeding…and its success would be good for the whites.

    However, where I think Ward possibly gets it wrong and you possibly get it right, is in thinking that explicitly WN political movements, parties, organizations are not also valuable. That’s not true….they are hugely important. To think otherwise is to assume that things will not change…that the environment will not shift.

    Ward is saying that explicitly WN movements do not have the power to cause that environment to shift, and he’s probably right. But they need to be there waiting in the wings, for when that environment is shifted by some other movement, or other developments.

    It’s going to be a complex multi-dimensional fight back. Important for us to realize that and get a vision of what it will look like, so we will be able to recognize its dimensions when they appear. Many of them may not be obvious to others. Also it is important to try to be one of those dimensions. I’m working on the money/power aspect.

  112. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 29, 2012 - 12:31 pm | Permalink

    @Luke:
    They are sweating indeed. I always think it is funny that we are so sure of Jewish intelligence, but don’t believe them when they say they fear anti-semites.
    http://www.stonegateinstitute.org/2725/mainstream-anti-semitism

  113. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    January 29, 2012 - 12:24 pm | Permalink

    @Okiereddust:

    The LaRouchies were actually out there scamming old ladies, the feeble and the infirm—they were lucky that more of them didn’t go to jail in various States.

    Since his time in prison, LaRouche & company have been on their good behavior. Scared straight? LOL.

  114. MIckey Meadows's Gravatar MIckey Meadows
    January 29, 2012 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    @Junghans:

    Yes and No. This has all happened before.

    Their big hope is that ‘this time will be different’.

    The WN big hope is that “this time will work out just like all the other times”.

    There are arguments to support each way. But…let’s say it works out we are right, and this time is just like all the other times.

    If that happens we’ll have to make sure we don’t get fooled again.

  115. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    January 29, 2012 - 11:19 am | Permalink

    @Fenria: Sad to say, you are basically correct on most of your points. The only means that we WN currently have to really resist this debacle is the internet. This should be where our limited efforts are concentrated, until it too is denied us. As long as the dominating enemy within continues to control the media and the money spigots, they will likely never halt their anti-White genocidal project.

  116. January 29, 2012 - 10:51 am | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:
    I guess I’m missing something. A political platform of opposing corporate control of government, ending mass immigration, “free” trade, and seeing good paying jobs return to the country is a direct link to Nazi Germany?

    Republicans are being called Nazi’s and fascists today. Reagan and Bush I did not get elected without unionized workers voting for them. (Bush II wasn’t elected.) Unionized workers are the American public, as are those who are “green”. A lack of a big education doesn’t mean they don’t understand they are being raped by the internationalists. They understand that better than the university educated crowd, because they have been living it for decades. The slaughter of the middle class is a recent phenomenon by comparison.

    The leadership of unions support the Democrats by default, because Republicans have been openly hostile toward unions. The choice has been between someone who is going to kick the crap out of you and your family on an ongoing basis, or someone who is going to slap your face every now and then.

    I have stated before, that the key to regaining control of any Western country is to explode the myth of the Hollowco$t. People will understand who is responsible for the destruction of their country. The stranglehold of the criminal elite will be shattered, and there will be a lot of angry white people with guns.

  117. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 29, 2012 - 10:24 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Wonderful comment, thanks. I certainly agree that we must not reduce literature at all, however, we must take advantage of all options open to us. The Lord of the Rings is, all too often, the only genuine literature that young people have read, at least sans the PC deconstruction.
    It offers a vocabulary in which minds can be reached. For so many the trilogy may offer the only vocabulary which young people understand. Ring-wraiths, for instance, are an excellent image to use in speaking to kids who have been taught that they have no soul to lose, and there is no good and evil, merely different points of view. We need every tool at our disposal.

  118. January 29, 2012 - 10:19 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    How is the prosecution theory of Steele killing for a non existent life insurance policy non sequitur? How is a judge not allowing expert defence witnesses to testify, non sequitur?
    A wife that says the taped conversations are not her husband? Cops refusing to investigate stolen silver? The “bomber” forgetting that he has already planted the bomb?

    When a government says someone is guilty, they will be found guilty, irrespective of the evidence. I figured that out when the US government issued a subpoena to John Gotti’s lawyer, knowing full well he could never testify. It did, however, prevent Gotti from being able to have legal counsel of his choice. There is little doubt that Gotti was guilty of something, but not necessarily of what he was accused. Gotti’s lawyer would have had a heyday with the “turned
    witnesses”.

    How about them Arabs?

  119. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    January 29, 2012 - 9:56 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: You fail to factor in the depth of jewish paranoia, Brother Jason. These jews, even the little ones – know full well what their tribe has been doing to White Europeans in America, and with the Internet – they are reading the blogs, seeing the comments which show that Whites are awakening to who is behind this genocidal war that is being waged on their race and civilization. Hence, their paranoia is soaring, higher than ever before. Also, I saw an article on an Israeli based website (Ha’aretz or the Jpost, I forget which) where in the comment section for an article, the jews in Israel were talking amongst themselves about 9-11 and they were worrying what White gentiles might do when they finally realize who was responsible.

    So, believe me. They are sweating.

  120. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    January 29, 2012 - 9:43 am | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall: Mr. Kendall sounds suspiciously like an enemy mole who is infiltrating the ranks of White race realists/White Nationalists and attempting to convince them that they absolutely MUST repeat the very same mistakes that pro-White organizations have done in the past. Either that, or he is woefully ill-informed and embarrassingly uneducated in the area of studying our #1 enemy and learning how to recognize their tactics and strategies and then making dog-goned sure we do not allow these tactics and strategies to be successfully used on us again.

    Has Mr. Kendall not read Culture of Critique? Has Mr. Kendall not read Cultural Insurrections – both written by Kevin MacDonald? Has Mr. Kendall not read “The New History of the Jews’ by Eustace Mullins? If he has, based on the ‘advice’ he is peddling here on TOO – I would say that the absorption level of his reading of these three books is a resounding zero percent.

    Here’s the main point of my concern about Mr. Kendall’s advice. First of all, he appears to be willing to let our mortal enemies set the ‘standards’ and the ‘qualifications’ that OUR movement must dutifully adhere to – so, right out the gate, Mr. Kendall is surrendering his gonads to the enemy, who will most certainly never be satisfied with whatever ‘criteria’ that we beg them to let us establish as a prerequisite for being a ‘leader’ or a member in the pro-White movement or political party. No matter how stringent we get, this enemy will continue to raise the bar of acceptability and we will never be able to meet it. And, while this groveling scenario is playing itself out – the 31 years until whites are a minority will rapidly arrive, and the enemy will have successfully run out the clock on our team.

    Secondly, for anyone in the TOO reading community who has done their homework and who have read and absorbed the three excellent books cited previously, they should be intimately aware of the one enemy tactic that is the most dangerous of all – the tactic of sending their moles, i.e., jews who’s job it is to pretend they are on our side, so they can worm their way into our movement or party or organization, whereupon they will immediately begin to try to elbow the original leadership aside, and take over the movement – and then steer it in directions which continue to benefit jews and which do not benefit Whites. Following Mr. Kendall’s advice would have a 1000 percent guarantee of ensuring this enemy tactic would work and destroy our movement, just as it has destroyed so many other promising White Nationalist/White race realist movements in the past.

    I can’t speak for anyone in the TOO community other than myself, but I will flatly say that I am sick and tired of being thwarted by an enemy who seldom varies their tactics or strategies. It is past time for our team to educate ourselves fully on the tactics and strategies that this enemy has repeatedly used against us for thousands of years – train ourselves to recognize them when we see them being deployed against us on the battlefield, and come up with counter-tactics and counter strategies that will nullify them and render them useless. Its time to pull our heads out of our rear ends, people.

    Finally, allow me to share a pearl of wisdom from a fellow soldier in the White Nationalist community, who has repeatedly said: “Any pro-white movement which is not explicitly anti-jewish and which fails to prohibit jews from joining it will be taken over by jews or destroyed by jews.”

    Thus, I have a very strong word of caution to share with the TOO community. Any individual who claims to be one of us, but who advocates that we must allow jews to join our movement and that we cannot boldly identify the jews as our primary and most dangerous opponent – is an individual who bears very close scrutiny, as well as a healthy degree of suspicion.

    BTW: The neo-con takeover of the old WASP controlled GOP is a perfect, and relatively recent example of what happens when jews are allowed ‘membership’ and ‘influence’ in a political party – and just look at the horrible mess we are in because of it.

  121. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 29, 2012 - 8:41 am | Permalink

    @WKendall:

    WKendall – I wasn’t thinking I was telling you anything you didn’t know. It’s more a case of just offering part of the ‘walk through’ service which is what we have to do when our minds return to unsatisfactory situation. There are no easy ways to deport illegal aliens. Yet illegal aliens are a source of anger and it may be good for a WN party to address the matter. But how do you address a matter without appearing just like the other parties (i.e. promising a major survey of the problem with a report full of recommendations three years later) or simply stating a principle that they’d all be going home.
    Nothing is satisfactory.
    Personally I don’t think any of it is working or likely to any way. But what I do think is that it is honourable and meaningful to be trying.
    But it may be that nothing is going to change until billionaire stategists start to emerge and things like media and political influence get bought, and funds start rolling in big time.

  122. January 29, 2012 - 7:22 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    No more War on Drugs (only boosts profits on narcotics and fills correctional facilities), it’s a vice as long as the victim is a willing, adult user (Göring & morphine, and the list goes on).

    Ridiculous non sequitur there about Hermann Goering. He was given morphine after he got shot in the groin during the Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. He became addicted through no fault of his own but went to a Swedish clinic and got off it entirely in 1927. Stories about his being a lifelong addict and even having a stash when captured in 1945 were just lies.

    Not sure why you are raising the issue of legalization of drugs to me.

  123. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 29, 2012 - 6:47 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: No more War on Drugs (only boosts profits on narcotics and fills correctional facilities), it’s a vice as long as the victim is a willing, adult user (Göring & morphine, and the list goes on). Eliminate phoney fair-trade NAFTA – subsidies to US agribusiness have done much to destroy the small Mexican farmer, who now works for the syndicates moving drugs and people north. But I’m merely channelling Ron Paul…

  124. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 29, 2012 - 5:03 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Thank you for the overview, yes that helps. As you can see, I couldn’t even spell his name correctly. Maybe I will give it a try again. The truth is, I seem to have trouble with reading most fiction (lack of patience plus lack of concentration I think – mind wanders – I don’t become entranced). I’ve always considered this a flaw on my part, but I quit counting flaws a while back.

  125. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 29, 2012 - 4:33 am | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: I’ll be pessimistic about this in the short run. You said:

    Whites will Fight when Fear and Threat are perceived.

    But what fears and threats are going to be in their face, killing their wives and raping their daughters anytime soon (more than has been going on already). Crime rates are flat or declining compared to the 1970s. What possible events could bring enough fear to most Whites to instigate fighting in the street? The riots of Rodney King, in which Whites were targeted and Reginald Denny beaten in public by black thugs for fun (they pointed and laughed as blood poured from his head), provoked little more than a shrug from White folks. So random riots, even riots that burn parts of a city down, won’t provoke Ma and Pa Kettle to get the shotgun.

    Almost Nobody over 30 believes the fairy tales anymore. Men of the West are starting to awaken

    White people have never been more liberal and multicultural – ever. I was at a big car show recently, there were people of all races mixing freely. I didn’t see any tension. I saw White people accepting that their country didn’t belong to them anymore. And most of these people were over 30.

    I wish what you said was true, but there is no evidence of it. The real threat is that we slowly become BRAZIL. The scenario you paint may come true over several centuries, after civilization collapses from too few White people, but I can’t find any evidence that the average White person wants to do anything but get a nice home in a gated community and play golf in their retirement. Yes, if blacks start going door-to-door and slaughtering Whites things will change, but that won’t happen until blacks outnumber us 10 to 1.

    I’m afraid the hippies on the Left, along with the Social Democrat types up North, did their job all too well on this country. But they didn’t know they were dancing on strings pulled by an alien puppet master.

  126. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 29, 2012 - 4:15 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I am not sure that Tolkien would ever have described himself as pro-white, but he did describe The Lord of the Rings as a mythology for England. (You may or may not know that the documentation of this work, from inception to final revisions, is preserved in notes and letters, most written to his son Christopher, that fill at least a dozen full-length books—and that is probably an underestimate.)

    From the perspective of those who think of Tolkien as a pro-white advocate or model, the central points, it’s fair to say, are these: (1) all the good guys are white (i.e., invariably described as fair skinned and usually tall) and bear a close resemblance to one or another of the peoples of Britain; there is one exception to this rule, the dwarves, but even given that they are short and hairy, they still more closely resemble Welsh or Pennsylvanian coal miners than anything or anybody nonwhite; besides, they aren’t humans; (2) a large percentage of the bad guys are described as “black,” “dark,” or the like; the clonelike armies of Sauron, the satanic villain (literally so; i.e., he is the second of two leading members of an order of rebellious fallen angels), are entirely black and are “machined” in the mud from what is presumed to be the DNA of a group of elves whom Sauron (or his predecessor, Morgoth) seduced into his service millennia prior to the time of the tale; (3) perhaps most subtle and noteworthy from the white perspective is that none of the “free peoples of the West” have an interest in living anywhere but their own homeland; the underlying assumption (quite an insightful and profound assumption) is that the normal, healthy aspiration of normal, healthy people is to dwell in peace, love, and cooperation among their own kind in their own land—not as subversives and parasites in the lands of others. Good-bye immigration-related problems!

    My own opinion (you knew it was coming, of course) is that to reduce a great work of literature to a blueprint for a political campaign—even one as well founded and high minded as the campaign to take back the West from those who occupy and plunder it—is to do it a grave disservice. The Lord of the Rings is a work of moral splendor; in its imaginative detail it rivals Homer, Dante, and Spenser. Even a sensitive transference to the screen (and only the first film, The Fellowship of the Ring, qualifies as that) reduces it from an epic canvas of a world on the brink of a dark age—a canvas on which heroic and sordid figures struggle for control of people’s very souls, with the former braving all to save the lives and futures of their countrymen, who themselves are ordinary people whose daily existence is so filled with meaning that they don’t need to talk endlessly about searching for meaning all the bloody time—to a sequence of special effects and quaint scenes involving familiar “types” and overfamiliar actors in what is, not coincidentally, the enemy’s favorite medium of propagandization. The icing on the cake is that the language of the book, deliberately archaic in tone and construction but virtually always straightforward and “modern” in vocabulary, is frequently very beautiful and includes extensive passages of landscape description that rival the best such I have ever read. Finally, only in Shakespeare’s plays have I ever read passages labeled songs that actually cry out to be sung in the way that Tolkien’s songs do—and how aptly varied their styles are depending on who is doing the singing!

    Not everyone enjoys every great book, needless to say; so the book may simply not appeal to you. But that’s what The Lord of the Rings is: a great book.

  127. Riley DeWiley's Gravatar Riley DeWiley
    January 29, 2012 - 12:24 am | Permalink

    @WKendall: None of that would be required. All they need to do is (1) stop suing states who implement laws against illegals (2) deny federal aid to persons who are not here legally (food stamps, college tuition grants, etc) (3) require states to deny aid along the same lines, or lose federal funds.

    That would take care of 90% of illegals inside of a year. No concentration camps, no barbed wire, minimal deportations(of aliens convicted of crimes other than illegal immigration).

    RDeW

  128. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 29, 2012 - 12:19 am | Permalink

    “Today’s America has become a highly balkanized system that functions more and more like the old Soviet system in which primeval, egotistic and narcissist forms of ‘survivalism ‘ of each ethnic and racial group will likely trigger latent interracial wars.”

    “White Americans will soon become a vanishing species, isolated in their tiny ‘camps of the saints,’ which in turn are also bound to perish in the endless process of White Man’s self-flagellation and self-hatred.”

    Well, these two statements are contradictory.

    Then, firstly…a multi-racial America would not survive without White brains and initiative.

    Secondly, because of “primeval” urges, which I assume are Good, are Darwinian, are Evolution-inbuilt psychic traits, Whites will Fight when Fear and Threat are perceived. That is happening right now, as the country polarizes around race….. the idiocies of liberals in print, other media, etc. notwithstanding.

    Blacks work for Blacks and Blacks only, and of course Jews do what comes naturally as a matter of course. Mexers ditto. So, I don’t think their common strategies are narcissistic or egotistical. They are Group Evolutionary Strategies even if not well thought out. In fact, it helps Not to think them out in fully conscious form…that might trigger some Reflection by the top 10% of these otherwise stupid savages.

    Only Whites Think and in this regard are hardly egotistical, etc. We pride ourselves on our Goodness and Compassion for Others. I saw a story on the SPCA’s (Humane Society) Mission to Iraq to Rescue dogs, some of which might be dogs left behind by our soldiers.

    So, this is our problem, but it cannot go on much longer, and in fact its decline, triggers the hysterics that we see today among LIberals and the Race Equality true believers in general.

    Then, we got rank and file Repugnicans who are racists, hate immigration , but luv the Jews. How the Romneys and Grinchs overcome this rank-and-file opposition to immigration with their calls for legalizing illegals, I don’t know.

    For sure, American Whites ARE partially victimized by the Individualism that negates thinking about their race. Whites Are somewhat “Egotistical” in this regard, but if you consider LIberals as opposed to self-described conservatives, there is a huge difference with regard to what could be described as ‘egotism’, Or, as simply, Individualism.

    Businessmen are very one-dimensional. They cannot help it…to survive you have to be 15/7 just about every day. That is a fact in a competitive economy. So what we get is their highly compartmentalized view, a very limited view. But, the same businessman who Must hire mexers to compete, also knows mexers much better than Liberals who only have their Imaginary Mexer: family values, meek, exploited by Bad Whites. I have talked to many construction heads…they know the mexers are thieves, criminal in various ways, etc. but their wage-rate if half or less than that which obtained for White workers just a few years ago. (Now of course, White labor price is falling, but the boss knows the White worker is better, etc.) You cannot be in business these days without hiring mexers in low skill jobs.

    So, these businessmen are racist and would be happy to see No Mexicans…

    What is the point? The Individualism of Whites is indeed a problem but it is not simple selfishness or egotism. It is both Globalization economics and personal survival in an economy that Races to the Bottom.

    Further, the comparison with the old People’s Paradise is very farly-fetched. People still work here and work hard. In the PP (above) it was ” we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us.” Old soviet joke.

    Also, we got the racial polarization which the PP did not have. The PP, further, was corrupt thruout. That is not the case here.

    Balkanization is also incorrect. We may Become balkanized along racial lines, and that will be Good, assuming that elections fail to produce political party realignments that reflect the realities of race, globalization, and Finance Capitalism.

    I make no predictions in this regard.

    The readiness of Repugnicans from the South particularly (with its Scots-Irish warrior culture) to go to war illustrates that Whites will fight…the sand-niggers as they often like to call them. Racism is alive and well. They just have to figure out their Real Enemy…and that will take more time…maybe they will never figure it out. Maybe another war exhausting our Treasury, our International Reputation, our economy, and lots more dead, with no victory in sight…its been 20 years now of war-for-Israel…and folks know that Zip has been accomplished…will Change these Repugnicans, but I doubt it.

    So, breakdown and fighting will erupt, and that is Good. Balkanization certainly would save the White race, and there would never be another Obongo. Could Jews survive a political and intellectual defeat of the sort that would surely occur given the above considerations? I doubt it.

    Finally, Whites will survive and ultimately prosper, even if much reduced in land and population. The survivors, however, will rally, and march South to reclaim our land because they will have been Changed forever. No more Liberalism, and a great restoration of balance in our ideas about Individualism and Community will have occured. (That would also address consciously our genetic tendencies to Welcome the Stranger…we would therefore have developed Rules…like not taking candy from strangers, etc.)

    So. White genetic strengths are starting to overcome LIberalism’s lies and girly-men. Almost Nobody over 30 believes the fairy tales anymore. Men of the West are starting to awaken. J

  129. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 28, 2012 - 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Could someone, succinctly explain why Toilken is pro-White? I’ve read part of the first book and just couldn’t get past the singing elves. I’ve see parts of the movie on TV – guy riding a dragon or something – and I just couldn’t keep my eyes open. What am I missing? I’m open to the idea that I am totally wrong and missing something important because I’ve never been a fantasy person.

    As for Jews being worried: They seem more firmly ensconced in power than ever before. I saw Bill Maher show premier and all three guests were Jews. I watched Fox Special Report panel last week and all three panelists where Jewish. They’ve never been more powerful from what I can see.

  130. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 28, 2012 - 11:01 pm | Permalink

    I noticed onjig-jewTV last night an ad , repeated twice in my viewing, and probably more , for a new cop series. The centerpiece of the ad was the cops busting someone who was “going after Jewish people,” I think was the wording. Then somebody in plainclothes busts someone else in the face, presumably the assailant of the “Jewish People.”
    ———–
    I was visiting one of my sons, and we were watching the Tolkien Thing about the Ring. I think I heard the king exhort his men : “Men of the West.”

    I am aware that some WN folks see Tolkien as our guy. Then what about the connection between Tolkien’s Ring and Wagner’s Ring? Seems to be the same theme. Certainly a lot of blue eyes, long heads, and aryan good looks, but not exclusively so.

    The creatures that the Men of the West are fighting look pretty awful. Tolkein’s movie realizers must be some real good ol’ white boys.

    another commercial had about a dozen Human Beings in it. 3 were White. This is What Democracy Looks Like.

    I have never seen this kind of thing on jig-jewTV. The jews must be worried; I certainly hope so. Joe

  131. January 28, 2012 - 10:30 pm | Permalink

    @Heather Blue:

    The America people want the Constitution back; they want our Constitutional liberties. That is a fact. We know that.

    You think so, huh? Most people only have at best a vague idea of what the Constitution says beyond the first two amendments. Even those can go out the window easily, so far as the general public is concerned, when there seems to be a compelling need.

  132. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    January 28, 2012 - 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Our government is no longer a Republic. It is no longer a Constitutional government. It is run by fang and paw nail by the Banksters and their ilk.
    Ron Paul tries gently to set about the business of restoring the Constitution. I admire the sweet man, but that is almost laughable. The powers-that-be are not about to give up control of government. If the masses got behind Dr. Paul with a no nonsense attitude it might work, but probably not without violent demonstrations by Jewish and Communists agitators.
    These power dogs are not going to let go of governmental reins. No individual is going to restore the Constitution peacefully nor can a Gentlemen’s club third party. This Party would have to gain an awful lot of momentem. In my opinion white leaders must use communist tactics and kick the snot out of anti-white agitators.

    [B]The America people want the Constitution back; they want our Constitutional liberties.[/B] That is a fact. We know that. We know what people want. It is our job to go after that. We must do what the American people long for and take nothing from those who support a different system.
    [I]Our Constitution was not written for the benefit of alien races who are twisting it to serve their interests. [B] The Constitution and Bill of Rights were written by white men for white men. [/B] [/I] It is a Constitution of White People, by White people and for White People. We need to get our heads straight about that.

  133. January 28, 2012 - 9:32 pm | Permalink

    @WKendall:

    That there is no one with any idea at all how to actually deport ten million illegal aliens – neither in the A3P or elsewhere – Republican or Democrat.

    Eisenhower had Operation Wetback. Since the government’s intention of rounding up and deporting illegal aliens was announced in advance, most of them left of their own accord.

    I am told that the economic downturn in 2008 also led to a very noticeable shrinkage of illegal immigrant communities in the southwestern USA. Eliminating the possibility for them to earn money would solve the problem entirely.

  134. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 28, 2012 - 9:29 pm | Permalink

    Curmudgeon: “The rank and file unionized “left” will support this position. The green “left” would support the position…”

    There is not a shred of evidence that any American union or the “green left” will/would support a political party whose roots are directly traceable to Nazi Germany.

    Even here, those who support the “Third Way” cannot explain how the connection to Hitler and Nazi Germany will be embraced (or ignored) by the white American public. Frankly, censoring and/or delaying my posts due to “awaiting moderation” is something that I know Dr. Tom Sunic would not agree with, as I learned in my radio interview with him.

    And therein lies the huge schism in the WN movement – between those who are overt/covert Nazis and those – like me – who believe we will be defeated if we do not abandon this useless, failed, and destructive ideology.

    Why do the pro-Nazis on this forum fear open discussion? Could it be that there pro-Nazi beliefs cannot withstand the scrutiny of intelligent minds who disagree with them?

    I’ll wait and see…

  135. January 28, 2012 - 9:21 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Thank you for your non sequitur comment.

  136. Tom In Texas's Gravatar Tom In Texas
    January 28, 2012 - 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Some good points being made here.

  137. Karl Ramstrom's Gravatar Karl Ramstrom
    January 28, 2012 - 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Okie: “If you and some others interested in greater economic fairness would do some investigation of Third Position and its concepts I think it might be benificial.”

    The problem with Third Position or “Third Way” political strategies is that – in the final accounting – it is irrevocably tied to Adolf Hitler (*sigh*…once again) and a period in history that cost 60 million lives. White Americans will never support any political party that is demonstrably rooted in Neo-Nazism or the more sweetly perfumed “National Socialism”.

    As for Moeller van den Bruck, he was not impressed with Adolf Hitler, dismissing him as a “rude proletarian”. Shortly thereafter, van den Bruck committed suicide. Even so, the Nazis were impressed with van den Bruck’s socio-economic ideas…

    The question is: will sufficient numbers of white Americans be attracted to the “Third Position” – once the mainstream media peels back its history, laying bare its Hitlerian/Third Reich connections? In other words, does anything in America pass the “stink test” with Joe Sixpack and Sally Soccermom if it’s associated with the swastika?

    Are we trying to win? If we are, and if promoting some new, sweeter-smelling Nazism can rid our country of minorities, I’ll start jackbooting in the streets myself.

    So, which path do we take?

    1 – Stealth-Nazism, under cover of arcane socio-economic theories that the average Joe doesn’t know (or care) about…

    2 – Full-on, NSM-style Third Positionism, with swastika flags, uniforms, etc? (at least they’re not attempting to fool anyone about their true beliefs)

    3 – Or perhaps… The American 4th Position This fourth position avoids the tri-pronged devil’s fork of RepDemoNotzism in favor of building a pro-white socio-political movement sans the lead-weight baggage of multiracial McDemocracy on the one hand, and the lead-weight memories of a smashed Europe, 60 million dead scattered from the charred cinders of Berlin to the nuked-out rubble of Nagasaki – all shoved right back into the public consciousness every time we try to win over whites with appeals to this dark period in history.

    My way, you may ask?

    CONVINCE our fellow white Americans that we’re not “evil”. For without leaping that hurdle, we are going nowhere. Beyond that, SHOW our fellow white Americans that we CAN build a better, safer, more prosperous, and – ultimately – a country where every citizen can be proud of both what we do but also of what heights we plan to reach. Fire the imagination with those kinds of ideas, and then we will truly be on a pathway to salvation.

  138. January 28, 2012 - 7:44 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    “I think the people that still cling to Steele’s Mission Impossible story are unfortunately a bit delusional.”
    I have followed Mr. Steele’s “Nickle Rants” for a number of years. He has named names, such as the A(rab) D(efamation) L(eague) as bad for whites, thereby making enemies.
    If his story is Mission: Impossible, the prosecution theory is Mission: Ridiculous and the presiding judge’s rulings Mission: Perversion of Justice.
    The cops’ story has more holes than a Swiss cheese.

    Do you still buy the 19 Arab Hijackers fairy tale?

  139. January 28, 2012 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:
    “…Ideas without clear and plausible details as to how they are to be effectuated are no more than hallucinogenic smoke curling up from a bong pipe…”

    What you, and many others who insist on the left/right, liberal/conservative paradigm, is that these labels are useless in the American context. Controlling immigration means controlling corporations. Controlling corporations means ending free trade deals, the WTO and GATT. Ending free trade deals, the WTO and GATT means high tariffs on imported goods. High tariffs on imported goods means jobs return to America. Jobs returning to America means returning to the Henry Ford model: paying your workers enough to buy what you are selling.

    Germany had the highest standard of living in Europe (excluding Scandinavia)
    in the 1970s. They were also the most productive and had wages and benefits as good or better than Americans. Germans bought the high quality German manufactured products, therefore money stayed in Germany. Expensive, yes, but everyone benefitted.

    The “Anglo American” (Jewish bankster) mentality is cheap, low-cost, won’t make it through the warranty products, i.e. disposable. In order to “save you money”, products are made in 3rd world factories where annual wages equal what Americans made in less than a month. The prices don’t drop that much. Remember NIKE paying Michael Jordan more, in a year, to promote their shoes than the annual wage cost of the Taiwanese factory?

    The rank and file unionized “left” will support this position. The green “left” would support the position if it led to a paring back of manufacturing levels to a balance of supply and demand.

    No party is talking about the $6+ trillion Leo Wanta returned to the US treasury from Reagan’s plan to destabilize the Ruble. Why not? A massive pubic works project like a national high speed rail system built with American only labour and material would provide years of work for tens of thousands at decent wages during the construction phase, and tens of thousands of permanent jobs to run it. It would touch virtually every sector of the economy.
    The rank and file unionized “left” will support this position. The green “left” would support the position.
    You “conservatives” and “right” would see this as bad thing, because the government would be involved. Get past it. Private enterprise would get its cut. Work at a fair wage provides dignity. Dignity turns into self respect. Self respect is the way for whites to reclaim their country.

    A true nationalist movement cannot be restricted to the “right”. Otherwise, it becomes just another bag of wind. To be successful, it has to focus on local, not global, or as others have stated, populist.

  140. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 28, 2012 - 7:29 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: It’s flabbergasting how much “conservatives” have shifted to the Left, especially on the cultural scene. I recently saw a “conservative” female, Jedidiah Bila on Fox, who stated that she had spent the weekend hanging out with her lesbian friend, that she intended to keep her name if she ever got married, and that we all needed to learn to be more tolerant of other cultures. This is a conservative!

    Most of these faux conservatives are only conservative on a few issues, actually perhaps two:

    1. NeoCon foreign policy (which of course is not conservative at all)

    2. Low tax rates.

    That’s it. That seems to be what’s left of a once serious political philosophy.

  141. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 28, 2012 - 7:18 pm | Permalink

    @versatile: What a jackass that mayor is. Now, is he Jewish, he didn’t look Jewish. He reminds of that type of White Liberal Gentile that loves to denigrate his own people to score “moral” points. Jewish activists are a huge problem, but White Liberal Gentiles like this are very close. Notice how they use shame by writing all over the White person’s skin in a pubic manner. It reminds of the Scarlett Letter. White Gentile Liberals, almost more than Jews, seem to love using public shame as a weapon.

    And remember, this is the kind of thing young 8 and 9 year old kids are exposed to every single day in our schools. Deep shame. Remember that they next time you wonder why so many Whites remain quiet.

  142. WKendall's Gravatar WKendall
    January 28, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Mickey: “Because power is not yet a serious possibility, the purpose of the manifesto is primarily a clear message to people what the party stands for.”
    Actually, power is not only not a serious possibility at this juncture, it is not even a realistic goal – at all. And I have to disagree with you on just what the primary purpose of the “manifesto” is. In my estimation, it is empty rhetoric, with no actual reference to any real-world plans – now or in the future. More correctly, it’s a feel-good talking point every WN expects to hear, akin to a football coach telling his team how they’re going to tear the other team apart, once they get their hands on them. How – exactly? “Grrrrr! You know – just deport them!”

    And that’s it.

    No further explanation is needed – because there isn’t any.

    I just wanted you to be clear on that. I understood all along that such words were being used only as “group identifiers” – and that the A3P never had any actual plans or logistical research to back up any of them.

    Mickey: “This is the correct and most effective way to use policy.”

    Yes, I know. The Republicans often say the same thing about “deporting illegal aliens” in their policy statements. It helps bring in votes but no one expects their words to have any real meaning, either.

    Mickey: “It would look like poor judgement if they spent all their time researching complex logistics and investing time and money into plans for deporting illegal aliens…”

    Mickey, for the past 50 years an endless line of WN individuals have said the same thing about “deporting illegal aliens”. It’s EASY to make such claims. Easier than falling off a rock.

    So, again, I do indeed understand what you may have thought that I didn’t: that the words are…well…just words. That there is no one with any idea at all how to actually deport ten million illegal aliens – neither in the A3P or elsewhere – Republican or Democrat.

  143. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 28, 2012 - 6:51 pm | Permalink

    @Philopater: An excellent point—one to which I can provide only a poor-to-middling response, I’m afraid.

    All through my youth and middle age, it was axiomatic on the Right that Brown v. Board of Education, which made Marshall’s name, was a terrible decision made on the basis of third-rate social science (Kenneth Clark, Gunter Myrdal, and others whose names and [badly flawed] studies are cited in the opinion’s footnotes) rather than on proper legal and constitutional grounds. Marshall was then widely known to have been the black man fronting for the mostly Jewish legal talent (Jack Greenberg et al.) pushing the NAACP’s case, which of course also had the solid backing of every leftist/Jewish organization in the USA, whether in or out of government.

    You would never learn any of this by listening to or reading anything coming from today’s bought-and-paid-for ‘conservatives,” however, nor from doing a Google search on Marshall’s name. I gave up after thirteen pages, twenty entries per page, of uniformly adulatory, near-idolatrous entries on the guy. In these 260 entries I never even came across a reference to Joe Sobran’s polite but deadly accurate summation of Marshall’s later “accomplishments” as a jurist: “The Court’s first affirmative action justice was Thurgood Marshall, who was equally devoid of original thought but predictably liberal. He never deviated. He never surprised. He never sharpened one’s understanding of constitutional law. Never even coined a fresh phrase. All Marshall cared about was results. He always knew the outcome he wanted and voted accordingly. His reasoning was perfunctory, and today nobody quotes him.” (Go to http://www.sobran.com and search on Marshall’s name for more.)

    A good friend of mine, a Yale-trained lawyer, told me years ago that it was a commonplace among lawyers that when Marshall was on the Court, he showed the most lively interest in First Amendment cases, particularly those involving obscenity and pornography, especially ones where the Justices were [ahem] obliged to view blue movies.

    I suppose that counts as legal distinction of a sort.

  144. January 28, 2012 - 6:27 pm | Permalink

    I would generally agree that political parties are a waste of time. Many people say we need to work on educating people. Education is what most WN websites are dedicated to.

    An even better idea (for using our resources) is creating art that expresses the pro-White metaphysical direction. Film and music are critical.

    The people at Bob’s Underground Seminar (BUGS) believe that time/money would be best spent disseminating a consistent message. BUGS has a main message referred to as “the Mantra.”

    The Mantra points out that White countries (and therefore White people) are being forced integrated/assimilated with the 3rd world in a coordinated program that will lead to an end of White people. The people at BUGS attempt to spread the mantra as a consciousness raising counterspell to the black magic of anti-Whiteness.

    So there are 4 methods of fighting the anti-White system. Here they are with a percentage after. The percentage is the total amount of resources (time, money, human will) that should be placed into each activity if we looked at the pro-White movement in the aggregate.

    Political Parties/elections 3%
    Education 20%
    Art 30%
    Consistent message 47%

  145. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 28, 2012 - 6:00 pm | Permalink

    @WKendall:

    “Really, if we whites are to support (and give money to) a pro-white political party, I think most of us would actually like to view a video of Merlin Miller and Virginia Abernethey explain, in detail, the cost and logistics of locating, arresting, processing, and deporting over ten million swarming Mexicans – both to their WN supporters and over the national airwaves.”

    Because power is not yet a serious possibility, the purpose of the manifesto is primarily a clear message to people what the party stands for. This is the correct and most effective way to use policy.
    It would look like poor judgement if they spent all their time researching complex logistics and investing time and money into plans for deporting illegal aliens, when power is not yet on the horizon. That would be terrible leadership.

  146. January 28, 2012 - 4:59 pm | Permalink

    @Okiereddust:

    Just as you think Edgar Steele broke the law, and I’d presume you say the whole host of WN leaders jailed recently also broke the law, received a fair trial, and served a fair sentence under equitable conditions.

    I think the people that still cling to Steele’s Mission Impossible story are unfortunately a bit delusional.

    Look, you are saying that anybody that takes a political route that shows some promise of success is going to be railroaded by the government. That is utterly defeatist.

    No doubt that WN politicians will be heavily scrutinized for any wrongdoing but I am inclined to agree with Tom Metzger’s experienced view that if you are clean they are not going to get you. The BATF came up with a pretext for searching his home recently and he was so unconcerned that he handed them the keys and said, Look I have to go somewhere; here are the keys; lock up when you’re done.

    If you want to avoid being railroaded then don’t associate with criminals, because if one of them gets into a bind he may falsely inform on you to get a lighter sentence. If somebody suggests illegal activity to you, get away from him. (Rockwell said, tell him to shut up and if he doesn’t then turn him in to the FBI.) Also avoid the appearance of doing anything illegal and don’t go out of your way to scare people; especially avoid the appearance of trying to frighten specific individuals. I think this is pretty much the formula for minimizing the possibility of legal persecution.

  147. versatile's Gravatar versatile
    January 28, 2012 - 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Radical leftists erect anti-white billboards in Duluth.

    “Anti-Racist” is a code word for anti-white.

    Don Ness is the mayor of Duluth, Minnesota. He is part of an extreme left-wing campaign to erect anti-white billboards and posters around Duluth, Minnesota.

    Black people in Minnesota benefit from runaway affirmative action programs in the state. Minnesota has also seen a dramatic rise in racially motivated black on white violence in the past year. White people in Minnesota are discriminated against and victimized because of their skin color at rates astronomically higher than blacks are. Yet the billboard/poster campaign claims that white people have an “unfair advantage because of their skin color.” The ads claim that white people are treating blacks unfairly.

    The website for the campaign is viciously anti-white. It shows pictures of fair-skinned white people and then depicts them as the enemies of non-whites. It claims blacks and immigrants are being treated unfairly by whites. It’s absurd claims will only fuel actual racial hatred, the hatred directed at white people.

    During the past year, vicious black mobs have been attacking random white people in Minnesota. This large scale black mob attack on scores of white people took place in Minneapolis last August. This hate-filled anti-white campaign backed by mayor Don Ness will only encourage more violent black thugs to attack white people in his state.

    http://cofcc.org/2012/01/radical-leftists-erects-anti-white-billboards/

    Liberals put up billboard calling all white people racist

  148. January 28, 2012 - 2:40 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt:

    And were this all leads to is this:The American Third Party should state unequivocaly:We are the party of a high wage economy for Native Born White Americans.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Third_Position_Party

    I think the party pretty well is already known for this.

    The party takes a strong stand against immigration[5] and globalization,[6] and strongly supports an anti-interventionist foreign policy.[7] Although the party does not support labor unions, they do strongly support the labor rights of the American working class on a platform of placing American workers first over illegal immigrant workers and banning of overseas corporate relocation of American industry and technology.[8]

    Beyond this there are a number of other broad economic concepts inherent in the Third Position, as I allude to in my previous comment. If you and some others interested in greater economic fairness would do some investigation of Third Position and its concepts I think it might be benificial.

    Relating to my previous comment on Third Position it might be helpful to discuss the concept a little more. Wikipedia refers to Otto Strasser, but the originator of the concept was actually Moeller van den Bruck.

    If I recall Moeller’s concept of the Third Position is not completely and easily transferable to the Anglo-American mind, as it involves a number of references from German mythology. It is nevertheless a very fascinating concept if one looks into it. Strasser, who had a Ph.D in economics, tried to draw up a detailed economic/programmatic adaption of it, but I think went a little overboard in this area.

  149. January 28, 2012 - 1:59 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    I think they broke the law. Let’s leave off the unwarranted conspiracy-theorizing.

    Just as you think Edgar Steele broke the law, and I’d presume you say the whole host of WN leaders jailed recently also broke the law, received a fair trial, and served a fair sentence under equitable conditions.

    I know WN movements do historically have bad elements and like all radicals at least an occasional tendency toward paranoia, but you seem to be missing something. Wake up and smell the coffee.

  150. January 28, 2012 - 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Watt: “….this is why we are for the expulsion of nonwhite illegal aliens and the various asian,muslim,hispanic,carribean and african fifth in our American..

    The difficulties with such gigantic projects as suggested above is that – as the saying goes – the devil is in the details. Believing that the removal of ten million illegalaliens from the US without experiencing unprecedented social upheaval is the stuff one dreams up while doing some serious hallucinogenic sessions with a bong pipe. Furthermore, believing that ALL non-whites can be removed – illegal or not – is what most WNs have not thought through. They propose it – but they cannot provide the details as to how it would actually be done.

    On another note: proposing “high wages” for white Americans does sound dandy, at least on the surface, but, again, just howwould this be brought about? Supposing, for the sake of discussion, all non-whites have been deported from the US – are we then going to see McDonald’s and Burger King counter-clerks making $30 an hour? Oh, that’s right. Such companies as these won’t exist, because health-conscious WN’s are going to burn them all to the ground.

    Ideas without clear and plausible details as to how they are to be effectuated are no more than hallucinogenic smoke curling up from a bong pipe…

    Ward Kendall
    Hold Back This Day
    http://www.amazon.com

  151. icr's Gravatar icr
    January 28, 2012 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    There are lots of “educated ” whites.

    Consider the last two congressional campaigns of TOQ contributor James Russell. In 2008 GOP candidate Russell received 29% of the vote in his suburban NYC district. Flash forward to 2010. One month before the election Russell is widely exposed in the national media as a “racist” and “anti-Semite” (http://is.gd/u9A3Tb) and the local GOP even tries (in vain) to get him removed from the ballot. The results on election day? Russell increases his share of the vote to 33%.

    This in a district that is one-third non-white and , given its location, surely contains a large Jewish population.

  152. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 28, 2012 - 10:19 am | Permalink

    And were this all leads to is this:The American Third Party should state unequivocaly:We are the party of a high wage economy for Native Born White Americans..The Republican and Democratic Parties are openly the Party of the low wage economy….this is why we are for the expulsion of nonwhite illegal aliens and the various asian,muslim,hispanic,carribean and african fifth in our American..for to the extent that this would induce a severe labor scarcity..this most definitely would induce and create a high wage economy for millions of Native Born White Americans…you are either for a high wage economy or you aren’t..if you are..you must be for shutting down nonwhite post-1965 immigration to 0 permanently…we oppose Peter Brimelow’s immigration time out…for in the long run it is a gift to the facistic corporations…reversing Native Born White American race-replacement permanently goes hand-in-hand with a severe labor scarcity induce by a complete shut-off of all post-1965 nonwhite legal immigratin forever…say no to the treasonous temporary time-out!!!

    This is what the A3P should saying.

  153. buff's Gravatar buff
    January 28, 2012 - 9:49 am | Permalink

    How about the jews? It seems that the A3p and jared taylor have embraced the jews. Until the jews are addressed nothing will change.

  154. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 28, 2012 - 9:42 am | Permalink

    Corporations are very much organized in a top down totaltarian structure..very much in tune with the intension of the concept of Facism…an extensional defintion of fascism would most defintely have the Corporation as a model….moerover, when taken into account the enormous power wielded by Corporations…manifested in the ownership of the vasy majority of Republican and Democratic polticians..and the consequent corporate ownerwship of immigration policy,foreign policy and trade policy..well obvioulsy, the use of the term fascism is most definitely
    justified.
    By the way,Barack Obama is very rapidly acquiring fascist dictatorial power…and considering how racialized how is……obviously. If the A3P pushes a reactionary economic program..it will be at least as irrelevant as the Tea Party.

  155. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 28, 2012 - 9:10 am | Permalink

    Trenchant
    I realize that you are a extreme economic reactionary-as is your hero Ron Paul. The fact that you think wage slavery is a oxymoron of course proves this. But let me tell you somehing:there are millions of Native Born White Americans who upon hearing the term would immediately grasp the conept..even Southern apologists for slavery-Fitzhugh- understood the validity of the concept..because it was a fact of life in the industrial north in the 19th century..so the real issue is not whether it s a meaningless concept but whether or not one is for it.

    As far as I am concerned any Native Born White American Patriot Movement will have no leigitimacy unless it is for increasing Native Born White American Worker power over the boss man..for post-1965 Immigration Policy shifted power away from Native Born White American Workers back to the Greedy Cheating Class…I mean your comments could have been made by the slimmy Carl Rove on the Bill O’Rielly show…which is just another way of saying that Liertarians are 100 percent irrelevant in the battle of reversing race-replacement.

    Someone mentioned that Virginia Abernethy and comrades should mentioned the specific details as to how explulsion would occur..not really neccessary…it the will is there among Native Born White Amerians..it is just a question of Millions of Native Born White Amerians undestanding the horrific consequenes of not expelling millions of post-1965 nonwhites..this gets back to the fundamental question:what are Native Born White Americans willing to give up for racial minority status within the borders of “America”:this is the only question the celebrities in the Native Born White American Movement should be asking in their fellow Native Born White Amerians.

  156. January 28, 2012 - 1:23 am | Permalink

    @O.N:

    Calling the party “Third Position” just sounds, well, reactionary. As if this third was defined solely by opposition to the two mainstream positions.

    Maybe something like “American Workingmen’s Party” or “American Freedom Party” would do. Something that sounds middle-class but with teeth.

    The term even to me isn’t wasn’t as obviously clear as it should have been, but clearly the name for TOO’s third party was chosen as a clear indication of what its ideological orientation, not something ideologically amorphous like “American Workingmen’s Party” or “American Freedom Party”. Its a party that exists to end the ideological confusion, not continue it, as the Ron Paul candidacy has shown can happen even to our ranks.

    Political scientists, such as Roger Griffin, dismiss Third Positionist claims of being “beyond left and right” as specious. They argue that Third Positionism is in fact an ideological mutation of the neo-fascist right, which rejects both Marxism and liberalism for an ultranationalism that seeks to achieve a national rebirth by establishing a confederation of ethnically and racially homogeneous communities where ownership of productive property is distributed among all members. The main precursors of Third Position politics are National Bolshevism, a synthesis of nationalism and Bolshevik communism, and Strasserism, a radical, mass-action and worker-based form of Nazism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_position

  157. January 28, 2012 - 1:12 am | Permalink

    @Okiereddust:

    There is only one odd problem I note with the two-party success of LaRouche and Duke: both went to jail,

    I think they broke the law. Let’s leave off the unwarranted conspiracy-theorizing.

  158. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    January 28, 2012 - 12:56 am | Permalink

    The lives of tens of millions of whites in America presently revolve around sports scores, barbecues, shoe sales, catching up on the latest ‘celebrity’ gossip and assorted superficial shyte.
    Who won’t recognize ‘Freudo-Marxian egalitarian scholasticism’ should it fall on their empty skulls.
    This process of controlled cretinization has been deliberate and consistent from the outset, and brought to you by the usual suspects and their non-kosher co-conspirators.
    Individuals lacking the elemental ability to join up 2 dots by asking why the taxpayer funded bank rescue packages are in turn lent back to that taxpayer but @ interest ?!

  159. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 27, 2012 - 11:58 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: No it doesn’t look good and I fear the Brazilification of America above all. In big cities, we see people of different races mixing freely in social situations, and occasionally we see mixed race couples (usually Mestizo and White, but sometimes Asian and White – rarely Black and White in my experience). This will have a corrosive impact over the coming decades. Everyone ends up having some half-Asian niece or half-Mestizo grandchild that makes racial unity virtually impossible.

    Having a black man as the supreme leader of the country can only accelerate the cultural transformation. I fear we crossed a kind of Rubicon with Obama.

  160. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    January 27, 2012 - 11:43 pm | Permalink

    @WKendall:

    How would they do it? Maybe they should just have a look at the way the Mexican govt boots illegals out. I think there’s a bit of violence involved, at least from what I’ve read, but I don’t see any Mexicans losing sleep over this.

  161. January 27, 2012 - 9:16 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    I got the impression that whoever wrote that article for Rivarol hardly knows anything about American politics. For example, he seems not to know how hard it is for a third-party candidate to be taken seriously. The Libertarians are well known, espouse a mainstream ideology, and have been at it for decades. They got a big ONE electoral vote in the 1972 presidential race and reached 1.1% of the popular vote in 1980. How many elected officials do the Libertarians have? One representative in a state house. At least that’s what Wikipedia says.

    That was my thought when I first read about the American Third Position Party. This difficulty in getting Third Party candidates to be taken seriously seems to, especially in our system where a majority is required for any elective position without any PR provisions like icr notes, the financial difficulties Tom alludes to, and the numerous statutory obstacles to Third Parties almost guarantee that the electoral achievements of the party, measured by elective offices filled, will be insignificant.

    When this is combined with the not only the possibility but at least in some instances the practical ease of working within the existing 2 party structure (i.e. the way not only Socialists but Communists are accepted in the Congressional Democratic Caucus in the Congressional Progressive Caucus, one wonders why anybody runs third parties at all. It’s almost as if Third Party status is for those groups so fringe that the appearance of getting listed equally on the ballot with the two major parties is all they really hope for and expect to achieve.

    I think of our political culture like a sandwich. Just like Bill Cosby says Americans will eat any thing as long as you put it between two pieces of bread, people will vote for anything as long as it is between two labels called “Democratic” and “Republican”.

    I can’t imagine Lyndon Larouche or a Marxist candidate saying that he really likes what the Democrat or the Republican says. They always emphasize that they have a distinct vision and that any other candidate will be very unsatisfactory. If A3P were Third-Positionist in the European sense then I suppose that it would offer such a vision.

    Actually Marxist candidates already are acceptable in the Democratic Party, such as in the Congressional Progressive Caucus. Even LaRouchians have achieved their most notable success by my recollection in Democratic Party primary elections, where a couple of decades ago they almost won nomination to some state offices in Illinois by my recollection. And for that matter David Duke achieved his main electoral success as a Republican.

    There is only one odd problem I note with the two-party success of LaRouche and Duke: both went to jail,
    (as did Traficant, another oddity within the two party system and adversary of Israeli influence). In view of the difficulties in forming a third party, I wonder if some of the reasons for choosing this route might be, rather than creating a substantial threat to the system, the opposite: don’t worry too much about us – we’ll be spending most of our resources meeting burdensome ballot requirements and other third party boilerplate legal requirements, we therefore pose no real threat to the system, so allow yourselves the opportunity to trumpet the tolerance of our system toward fringe ideas toward outsiders like the French authors of this article by generously allowing the token existence of movements working within the powerless third party format to continue without persecution.

    If all A3P is going to do is duplicate a certain pre-existing strain in the Republican Party (with the addition of saying out loud what a lot of Republicans are really thinking) then it should really be a PAC instead of a party. Seriously. That way if A3P attracts support from Republicans it will strengthen its own cause rather than weaken it by dividing the vote.

    If a lot of Republicans are really thinking what the A3P is thinking they sure are quiet about it. But your point about the PAC route dovetails with mine. It is so obvious in fact that I have to wonder if some less obvious explanation like I gave above is involved.

  162. WKendall's Gravatar WKendall
    January 27, 2012 - 8:56 pm | Permalink

    “The A3P proposes a moratorium on immigration and the immediate expulsion of illegal immigrants.”

    The immediate expulsion?

    I’d go for that.

    Then again, just how seriously has the American Third Position party thought this task through? Better yet, were A3P presidential candidate Merlin Miller up there on the debate podium with Mitt and Newt how would he actually explain in common-sense terms to Mr. & Mrs. White America “the immediate expulsion” of ELEVEN MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS?

    With all due respect, that’s what were talking about here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/us/02immig.html

    Really, if we whites are to support (and give money to) a pro-white political party, I think most of us would actually like to view a video of Merlin Miller and Virginia Abernethey explain, in detail, the cost and logistics of locating, arresting, processing, and deporting over ten million swarming Mexicans – both to their WN supporters and over the national airwaves.

    Or…

    Is this just political rhetoric?

    On the one hand, I sincerely hope not. On the other hand, the WN movement has seldom been transparent when it comes to gigantic claims like this.

    So, is the A3P being truly realistic here? Let’s suppose, for the sake of discussion, that they are:

    1 – US troops will be needed. ALL OF THEM.

    2 – There WILL be bloodshed. Massive bloodshed.

    3 – Temporary “holding compounds” (shhhh! concentration camps!) will be NECESSARY. (Ref: Andersonville/US Civil War, Boer War, US Japanese internment camps, Nazi stalags, Soviet gulags)

    4 – American cities will burn from coast to coast. (Ref: Watts Riots x 1000)

    Some of you may think it unfair to actually ask our two White House candidates to explain this plank in their political platform.

    How would they do it?

  163. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 27, 2012 - 8:14 pm | Permalink

    “there is no constitutional right to free speech in a Corporation..except of course for the CEO.”

    So go to Delaware, incorporate and you can be Chairman/CEO of Wattylesrevolt LLC. Then you can lord it over your shareholders.

  164. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 27, 2012 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt:
    “Wage slavery” is an oxymoron, not to mention an insult to real slaves (you may care to look at the sex trade for examples.)

  165. Philopater's Gravatar Philopater
    January 27, 2012 - 7:50 pm | Permalink

    I’ve long thought T. Marshall was incompetent and his appointment largely political in nature, (especially considering how Democrats fawn over him, so you know he must have been a real screwup) but does anyone have any documentation of this? The non-Whites get a free pass, but we must always be sure of our facts.

    Thanks.

  166. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 27, 2012 - 6:45 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: You make a critical point, and given the manifest (to me, anyway) absurdity of the present system of U.S. governance and especially elections, it is one that ought to be absorbed and understood in the context of the Establishment’s long-term modus operandi, whose aim is ending virtually any influential white Christian presence in government.

    Ever since the appointment of the grossly incompetent Thurgood Marshall to the Unelected Rulers of the Universe Club, aka the Supreme Court, the seat his fat bottom warmed has been designated by our Tribal masters the Court’s “black seat.” This move was, of course, merely the sequel to their earlier designation of the Brandeis seat as the Jewish seat (now, post the appointments of Ginsberg and Breyer, better thought of properly as Jewish seat no. 1). Whole executive-branch departments are also understood to be areas of permanent black, Hispanic, or Jewish entitlement. It is not, I fear, out of the question that an eight-year Obama presidency would cause the highest office in the land, too, to become a permanent set-aside for one of the three above-named groups—the point being that one and only one of those groups will ever actually be pulling the strings.

    Alas, as you and many others have suggested, the downside of ridding ourselves of Obama is a repellent dilemma, one whose horns are named Mitt and Newt. Tribally owned Republicans in the White House marching in lockstep with Tribally owned colleagues in the Senate and House: this is a nightmare scenario, a recipe for more tyranny at home, more war on Israel and the Tribe’s enemies abroad, and vastly increased legal and illegal immigration from all the wrong places.

    Since the mind-numbed, conformist white American population would discard their home-theater systems and turn to Nader and the Greens sooner than even consider voting for an A3P candidate, the years before those few of us who are awake to the danger look anything but promising.

  167. January 27, 2012 - 4:24 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt:

    You couldn’t find a better description of Corporate organization than fascist…if the term facist has any serious meaning at all it is in the context of Corporate Power and Corporate Organization..keep this in mind:there is no constitutional right to free speech in a Corporation..except of course for the CEO.

    The fact that a system is coercive does not make it fascist. That’s just misusing the label as an insult in accord with traditional leftist propaganda.

  168. JW's Gravatar JW
    January 27, 2012 - 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Yikes, I don’t mean to pick on the idea, but….

    1) “In the hustle and bustle of the various right wing currents in America…” First sentence, ouch. We are the farthest thing from right wing imaginable even if the term has acquired an academic meaning that differentiates it from the French revolutionary vocabulary.

    2) “…a new political party dedicated to the preservation of European cultural, racial and ethnic heritage.” Same sentence, ouch again. Preserving the European cultural heritage preserves Spanish, French, German, Dutch, Italian, and Russian cultures and languages in North America. Sure that’s what you meant?

    In addition, “preserving” is about the past. Isn’t our real goal to develop our local white cultures and liberties on into the future for our children and grandchildren? Pinning us to European cultures is something we mostly broke away from between the Pilgrims’ Mayflower Compact in 1620 and the Declaration of Independence in 1776.

    3) Let’s face it. This reform party needs to start local and develop itself according to local needs which will vary with majorities and minorities. That is, a city with 90% white population will have a very different set of needs and potentialities from a city with 20% white population. And a city with a very large population of African Americans will be very different from a city with a very large population of Asian Americans.

    To start, think local and as always, think thin edge of the wedge, not the thick edge as you develop issues for public consumption.

  169. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 27, 2012 - 10:51 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    Why must we limit ourselves to desperate actions? If we could learn to be a tad less dogmatic, and accept that we have common cause with many, each of us can reach out now to potential allies. A few that may be open to a friendly approach – the localism movement including locavores, anti-globalists, environmentalists, heritage societies, home- schoolers, anti-feminists, including the father’s rights movement, and animal lovers. People need not agree on our precise definition of the problem on day one in order to find common ground.
    Anyone who is seriously angry and dismayed at the state of our society today may be open to new ideas of how we got here. People may reject a rant that it is all those damn Jews, but if you tell a gardener that Jews are like bindweed they will immediately understand. (bindweed is a wildflower, pretty enough in itself, but an invasive species that will destroy any garden it is allowed into.) We need a new vocabulary and a little tact.
    Are there not openings among fantasy fiction fans, which always seem to take place in an imagined past where everyone knows that it is important to fight the forces of evil? We must use our imagination.

  170. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    January 27, 2012 - 10:10 am | Permalink

    Politics is hard work. Running a credible & respected campaign on a national level is almost a super human effort.

    Today to run a third party, or, independent Presidential campaign that gets ballot status & noticed in one large state will cost 100k minimum.

    Merlin & Virginia are very atractive candidates. As or more attractive than any of the major party candidates.

    I think it’s worth a shot in what will be a close race, where the A3P could cut a deal for White Americans!

    The A3P can be pivotal. The A3P should consider an independent effort, or another name, or coalition effort in some States.

  171. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    January 27, 2012 - 9:39 am | Permalink


    Corporations in themselves are not evil. Circumstances, created through the government by interest groups, really determine what corporations do. If the government gives corporations a way to cut costs, even if it’s bad for the country the management pretty well has to do it, or risk being sued by stockholders for not doing everything to maximize profits. Basically, joint-stock companies have no soul and go whichever way the wind blows.

    yeah, I can’t say I think that corporations are evil for trying to make me a cheaper and better quality computer or refrigerator or car ( etc) so that I will choose to purchase.
    I do think that government is evil for trying to turn my country in to a multi-cult orwellian police state against my choice.

  172. icr's Gravatar icr
    January 27, 2012 - 9:36 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    What you are describing is a WN version of Social Work.

  173. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    January 27, 2012 - 9:28 am | Permalink

    On the economic front, a pro white party must end the money cartel and bring in sound currency and free enterprise and freedom from big nanny government, because that actually works.
    But, that would come any way with a new positive spirituality where the guiding principles are based on the honor of responsibility to truth and knowledge in ones culture, heritage and race , which of course , would or could include traditional religion.

  174. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 27, 2012 - 9:12 am | Permalink

    Halding Scott
    You couldn’t find a better description of Corporate organization than fascist…if the term facist has any serious meaning at all it is in the context of Corporate Power and Corporate Organization..keep this in mind:there is no constitutional right to free speech in a Corporation..except of course for the CEO.

    White Americans–to go by my conversation with my fellow White Americans..do in fact understand that Corporations are large unaccountale sources of concentrated power. In fact, this is an absolultely fundamental and crucial insight into understanding the hyper-exponential growth of Fantasy Football and other escapes into other very wierd fantasies in America today…including the very wierd Southern Evangelical Rapture theology fantasy…it is all about low social status and the pathetic and wierd attempts to esacape it..Terry Gilliams’ movie Brazil was a fictional account about this..but it is becomming much less fictional with each passing day.

  175. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 27, 2012 - 8:52 am | Permalink

    WP Tepes
    I doubt you have even read my posts on the other websites. What woud you like to do, make Tom Sunic a Dear Leader beyond constructive ciriticism? Who wants to part of that kind of movement?

    And if you read my other posts you know that I incessantly hammer home the point about the loss of the wonderfull amenities-the ones that make life bearable and worth living-in America that are being lost very rapidly because of hyper- exponential post-1965 nonwhite population growth..the safety valve of the Frontier is closing very rapidly..Native Born White Amercians will in fact not be able to escape nonwhites in the future. This past October I took a trip to the Blue Bidge Highway in VA..at every viewing station and every tourist stop..I was a racial minority..every viewing stop Hindu.Urdo…Chinese and Korean was spoken. This is the kind of stuff that the celebrities in the Native Born White Amerian Patriot movement should be talking and writing about instead of the psychometric garbage…so if you think it is delusion to confront our fellow Native Born White Americans about this future..well, you are completely clueless. The Amercian Frontier…it is closing..for real this time..is absolutetly central to undertnding why the race-replacment game continues and how to end it permanently.

    As far as Pope Sunic goes-and at least one person mentioned in his blog post..:since you both think the idea of human equality is a joke:what fundamental moral-ethical barriers do you two have in your world views against chattel and wage slavery?..apparently none…niether do the facistic and psychopathic Corporations which at rock bottom are the funadmental force behind Native Born White American race-replacement.

  176. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 27, 2012 - 7:14 am | Permalink

    I also agree with Hadding Scott, Fender and Fenria that education is # 1 priority. Without bone-dry forest cover, no spark will set off a conflagration. I think that economic hard times will eventually wake sleepers up, but like Fender, I believe that any sort of reactionary movement will be a bottom-up creature, probably composed of disparate, internally bickering factions. Many strange bed-fellows united by desperation alone.

  177. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 27, 2012 - 7:00 am | Permalink

    Pace Jason Speaks, I do (partly) buy Hadding Scott’s point regarding companies with a large personal stake, though unsurprisingly I view this as a symptom of a larger, structural malaise. To be clear, the ability to conjure up money ex nihilo, a privilege restricted to the central/commercial bank cartel, subsidizes the lending/borrowing at the expense of saving. Borrowing is cheaper than it otherwise would be. Banks are fatter than they would be (more lending), and debt-funding rather than equity-funding makes sense for businesses.

    If you go back historically, prior to the instituting of the central bank system, impresarios and entrepreneurs had more of their own hide on the line as equity and so could take a more paternal and long-term view of staff, suppliers, etc. In addition, entrepreneurs who don’t have to satisfy conservative grey-flannel bankers on their board can take bolder risks, allowing for a greater degree of experimentation and innovation.

    I would also note that the greater the regulation, the more the game is tilted towards the big end of town; GS can absorb compliance costs much easier than Small Cheese Bank. I have a lot of sympathy for the small business owner.

  178. January 27, 2012 - 5:56 am | Permalink

    @icr:

    Educating people is nice, but pointless unless it leads to action.

    Action come in many forms. Ideas inevitably give rise one way or another to actions, or decisions not to act. Demographics and ideas together constitute the foundation of any political possibility.

    The choices that people make in their personal lives as a result of being educated are also relevant and consequential.

    The fact that no ostentatious “action,” no immediate big noise, results from educating people does not mean that it had no effect.

  179. icr's Gravatar icr
    January 27, 2012 - 5:34 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Educating people is nice, but pointless unless it leads to action. If there is no possibility for meaningful action most people will lose interest in a short period of time. The Communist Parties of France and Italy were large and powerful a generation ago not because they
    had lots of study groups but because they won lots of local elections and parliamentary seats.

  180. -jc's Gravatar -jc
    January 27, 2012 - 5:33 am | Permalink

    Why do you suppoe the left-liberal mass media keep pressing Ron Paul about a third party run? Splitting the vote as did H. Ross Perot? http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/rand-paul-obama-wins-if-dad-runs-third-party/247666

  181. January 27, 2012 - 5:21 am | Permalink

    @icr:

    The only alternative to politics is armed revolt.

    That depends on how you define your terms. If by politics you mean running for office then I would say that there are some good alternatives to that, like educating people. I think educating people is better than running for office and way better than armed revolt.

  182. icr's Gravatar icr
    January 27, 2012 - 5:15 am | Permalink

    The only alternative to politics is armed revolt. You need only look at the recent history of Ireland (which shouldn’t seem too culturally alien) to see that this is true.

    Unfortunately, the Anglo-American plurality voting system freezes out the minority that doesn’t fall for the lies and fantasies promoted by the 24-hour media/education system. If you’re in the un-PC minority you need low threshold PR in order to organize politically in an effective way. Look to Europe (True Finns, Swiss People’s Party, Lega Nord, etc.) to see how this produces political leadership a lot better than what is offered in the US.

    Anti-PC, anti-USG united fronts need to be formed at the local level to promote the use of local home rule powers and initiative/referendum to get low threshold PR adopted at the local and state level. I know it sounds crazy, but I think it makes more sense than something like starting a new separatist church-militia in rural Texas or northern Idaho or anything else I can think of.

    Here’s a technical explanation of how low threshold PR works:
    http://fruitsandvotes.com/?p=5872

  183. January 27, 2012 - 5:06 am | Permalink

    I got the impression that whoever wrote that article for Rivarol hardly knows anything about American politics. For example, he seems not to know how hard it is for a third-party candidate to be taken seriously. The Libertarians are well known, espouse a mainstream ideology, and have been at it for decades. They got a big ONE electoral vote in the 1972 presidential race and reached 1.1% of the popular vote in 1980. How many elected officials do the Libertarians have? One representative in a state house. At least that’s what Wikipedia says.

    I heard a couple of the VOR interviews with Merlin Miller and he really does not act like a serious candidate. Perhaps I am being unfair but what I recall from it is that he likes Ron Paul.

    I can’t imagine Lyndon Larouche or a Marxist candidate saying that he really likes what the Democrat or the Republican says. They always emphasize that they have a distinct vision and that any other candidate will be very unsatisfactory. If A3P were Third-Positionist in the European sense then I suppose that it would offer such a vision.

    If all A3P is going to do is duplicate a certain pre-existing strain in the Republican Party (with the addition of saying out loud what a lot of Republicans are really thinking) then it should really be a PAC instead of a party. Seriously. That way if A3P attracts support from Republicans it will strengthen its own cause rather than weaken it by dividing the vote.

  184. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 27, 2012 - 5:00 am | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt: How dare you use the term fascist as a pejorative! I do think we need to keep in mind that corporations, while invaluable to economic progress, really are psychopathic in a sense: they can’t experience empathy for others, including their home countries, because they are legal constructs. Although, we have had corporate leaders in the past that were devoted to their countries.

    However, almost all Whites who embrace Nader are profoundly Leftist in every sense, including MultiCulturalist and open border. Most Whites I know don’t have any real antipathy to corporations, beyond the usual complaints about “excess profits” occasionally.

    This isn’t to say “implicitly White” people shouldn’t be more aware of corporate malfeasance, but right now, I don’t think they are. By the way, my opinion is that “White Nationalists” need to find a way to appeal to boring ol’ middle class types that work in accounting or engineering at major corporations. That is a huge pool of people who have some intelligence and resources. Everyone wants to either bank on “street revolutionaries” or The Hard Men of White Nationalism™ to save the day. But I think they are overrated.

  185. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 27, 2012 - 4:43 am | Permalink

    The most pressing matter for Whites right now is to have a 1,000 post debate between Trenchant and Hadding over the social utility of joint stock companies. I don’t know if it will happen but I can hope. Let’s hash out this thing between National Socialists on one hand and anarcho-libertarians on the other. This is where we need to be in the discussion. Hitler or Murray Rothbard! In North America, White people wanna know.

  186. January 27, 2012 - 4:35 am | Permalink

    Family-owned enterprises by contrast tend to act with some attention to what is good for the country in which the family lives, and the family doesn’t usually have to worry about pressure from creditors to maximize profits if the company has been in the family a good while.

    The pressure to maximize profits is the real problem, and that points to the underlying problem of having economic growth based on debt.

    This is a problem that “fascists” recognized and addressed. So what’s the wisdom in using “fascist” as a swear-word?

  187. January 27, 2012 - 4:19 am | Permalink

    Corporations in themselves are not evil. Circumstances, created through the government by interest groups, really determine what corporations do. If the government gives corporations a way to cut costs, even if it’s bad for the country the management pretty well has to do it, or risk being sued by stockholders for not doing everything to maximize profits. Basically, joint-stock companies have no soul and go whichever way the wind blows.

    The descriptor “fascistic” in this connection is of course gratuitous and void of meaning, and merely reflects decades of immersion in leftist rhetorical concepts.

  188. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 27, 2012 - 3:18 am | Permalink

    By the way, I notice a lot of posters seem happy enough to let Obama win again (versus the GOP). That may be as good as any outcome we can expect, but it also occurs to me that it may have its own harmful impact. We will have had 8 years of a black president by 2016. This means that the formative years of young kids growing up now (already taught to despise Whites and/or feel shame as Whites) will also be habituated to living under a black authority figure. I understand that “WNs” view all presidents as equally despicable and tools of zog, but a decade under the supreme rule of a black man may have a longer term impact on White kids than we think. Not that we can do much about it.

  189. anon's Gravatar anon
    January 27, 2012 - 2:08 am | Permalink

    The Jew behind Newt Gingrich.
    ————–
    Behind Gingrich’s Rise, Billionaire Pal Sheldon Adelson

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/gingrichs-rise-billionaire-pal-sheldon-adelson/story?id=15438514#.TyJMgIGAFnM

  190. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 27, 2012 - 1:44 am | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall: Great points, as usual. The radio interview was very interesting, especially the part about China. I get the impression that everyone is ignoring what a big role it will play in the 21st century. I’m also curious what psychological impact it will have on Whites if a homogeneous Asian society comes to be the dominant power on earth. As you said, there is a tendency among WNs to assume that Jews are the only opponent Whites have ever had (which is obviously not consistent with history).

    Also, thanks for mentioning the impact of education (brainwashing) on kids today. I don’t think most WNs (or White conservatives) pay much attention to the fact that they send their kids off to indoctrination and psychological emasculation camps every day. This indoctrination needs to be explicitly countered by parents.

  191. anon's Gravatar anon
    January 27, 2012 - 1:11 am | Permalink

    Occupy AIPAC prepares for DC action

    An alliance of activist groups in the United States has announced that they will occupy the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) headquarters in early March.

    Anti-corporate protesters from over 120 groups are devising plans to occupy AIPAC headquarters in Washington, DC from March 2 to 6, the Occupy AIPAC website announced on Monday.

    “With the Occupy movement that has swept the country demanding social and economic justice, many have concluded that AIPAC — the powerful pro-Israeli government lobby that distorts US policy in the Middle East — is a mandatory ‘occupy target’,” the Occupy AIPAC statement said.

    “Right now AIPAC is trying to drag us into a disastrous war with Iran, just as they pushed the Iraq war. We must show our opposition by exposing AIPAC and standing against a war with Iran,” Occupy AIPAC added.

    The Occupy AIPAC action has been scheduled to coincide with the Zionist lobby’s policy conference in March 2012 and will include “teach-ins, cultural performances, protests and creative direct actions, and a sneak preview of the forthcoming film Roadmap to Apartheid.”

    The endorsers of the Occupy AIPAC action include the Al-Nakba Awareness Project, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) – DC, American Muslims for Palestine, Americans United for Palestinian Human Rights, Artists Against Apartheid, Citizens for Palestinian Self-Determination, Coalition to Stop $30 Billion to Israel, CODEPINK Women For Peace, Cultures of Resistance Network, Free Palestine Movement, If Americans Knew,
    International Solidarity Movement, It is Apartheid, Philly BDS, Proposition One Committee, Rachel Corrie Foundation, Radio Against Apartheid, The Coalition Against Israeli Apartheid, Unitarian Universalists for Justice in the Middle East, US Boat to Gaza, US Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel, US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, and We Are Wide Awake.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/221666.html

  192. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 27, 2012 - 1:06 am | Permalink

    Any kind of European intellectual revival is going to happen naturally and unconsciously. Multiple philosophical ideas are going to have to merge at the right time to give birth to this revival. Forming political parties and organizations and expecting them to be anything but paper targets for the ADL and FBI is foolish.

    There needs to be a collective and unconscious “feeling” among Whites before any philosophical idea takes hold. This feeling needs to be one that can’t be stolen by the tribe or their dupes. It needs to be only susceptible to pro-White ideas that immediately click.

    Without that collective feeling, this is all pointless. Forming political parties and groups will lead nowhere. The will, the vitality, needs to rise up on its own. It can’t be forced. It may never happen, mind you, but it doesn’t then that means it was simply time for Whites to die out. Sad, but it’s reality.

  193. Fenria's Gravatar Fenria
    January 27, 2012 - 12:03 am | Permalink

    The average white American moo cow is not ready for the A3P. They need to spend a good decade or so in Soviet style poverty before you can approach them with these ideas.

    As long as they have hd tv’s and negroball to watch on them, they’re not going to be interested in the survival of our race or our culture. As long as they can steal themselves away in little bolt hole gated communities and pretend it isn’t happening, they’re going to continue playing the political correctness game.

    Zog knows this, hence the invention of Wal Mart and the like. Bread and circuses for the masses to keep them quiet and docile. As long as whites have another way out, they will do ANYTHING to resist facing the hard truths and altering their way of life to deal with them.

    People like Romney and Gingrich allow whites to blissfully fall back asleep. That’s why they exist, and why zog promotes them with such fury. Until such a time that no one can buy Newt Gingrich’s crap with a straight face, we will continue to see whites move in orderly lemming fashion right off the edge of a cliff.

    We are up against a behemoth who’s plan is to milk this nation dry and do whatever is necessary to keep you quiet in the meantime, and at this point, our race is made up of a whole lot of people who will willingly be paid off to stay quiet.

  194. O.N's Gravatar O.N
    January 26, 2012 - 11:55 pm | Permalink

    @Art Gardner

    Calling the party “Third Position” just sounds, well, reactionary. As if this third was defined solely by opposition to the two mainstream positions.

    Maybe something like “American Workingmen’s Party” or “American Freedom Party” would do. Something that sounds middle-class but with teeth.

  195. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    January 26, 2012 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    @Art Gardner:

    A3p, American Third Position, is not going to get it done. The majority of whites don’t know what Occidental even means…

    I don’t think I had ever heard the word “occidental” until I found this site. So you’re probably right about that one.

  196. WP.Tepes's Gravatar WP.Tepes
    January 26, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt:

    Wat,

    “The celebrities of the Native Born White American Patriot movement should use my posts as talking points.”
    “Tell me what you think Sunic…”

    You need to learn some respect, jack*ss. And you need psychiatric help for your narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

    Dr. Sunic is a former international diplomat, representing his homeland Croatia in the councils of the powers of Europe and NATO. And, he received a Ph.D. from one of America’s better universities (UCSB) for a very sound and important thesis.

    What are you? A self-proclaimed leader of some farcical peasant revolution, bravely blogging from his/her parents’ basement?

    P.S., Peasant rebellions fail because although peasant know how to break things, they do not how to govern!

    P.S.S., did you not like how you were being thrashed on the Atlanta Jewish paper says Israel should consider assassinating Obama comment string, so you decided to come here?

  197. Art Gardner's Gravatar Art Gardner
    January 26, 2012 - 9:56 pm | Permalink

    The party doesn’t have a chance as long as it stays with the current name. It should be renamed to “White People’s Party” or something VERY similar.

    A3p, American Third Position, is not going to get it done. The majority of whites don’t know what Occidental even means…

    So, as great as Occidental and Third Position is to intellectuals such as Kevin MacDonald, these words literally mean nothing to the average white people. So it’s an uphill battle as it is, do we also need to teach them the meaning of obscure words?

  198. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 26, 2012 - 9:52 pm | Permalink

    There is a persistent tendency in the WN movement to undermine its own efforts. One of the worst is believing that any WN political party can blithely ignore past associations.

    To draw on a mainstream example, recall how quickly Herman Cain’s campaign was derailed and smashed, all over such a simple thing as spousal infidelity.

    Then there’s Mitt Romney. His record at Bain Capital and the fact that many voters accuse him of belonging to a “cult religion” has caused his race to the White House to have a sudden blow-out, with black revelations of “vulture capitalism” shredding all over the political highway.

    Knowing that the mainstream media will leave no stone unturned once a presidential candidate enters the race for leadership of this country, it becomes especially critical that any WN political party – and those who lead it – have NO past connections to:

    1 – American Neo-Nazism and any such individuals connected to it, either as participants or supporters.

    2 – Any individuals who have ever supported or worked for anyone who has appeared in public with a Swastika armband, Ku Klux Klan hood and robe, or worked for a Neo-Nazi website in any capacity.

    3 – Anyone who has publicly demonstrated OVERT anti-Semitism either in public or on the Internet.

    These beliefs and associations are anathema to the success of any potential WN political party. So, how does the American Third Position party fare when scrutinized for these sure-fire candidate killers?

    Well, one need only play “investigative journalist” for 30 minutes or so on the Internet in order to dig up a gold mine of verifiable Neo-Nazi connections that lead straight to the A3P and certain of its staff.

    Is that we want? Is this what we need? Will white nationalists ever learn that the trail ahead cannot be forged if the trail behind is littered with the very weapons our enemies will use to destroy us?

    We must learn that in order for our Cause to succeed, we must first blaze a new path. But unless we can lay the foundation for a political party free of these failed tactics, strategies, and ideologically-tainted individuals, we are surely doomed to failure.

    In closing, I invite everyone here to listen to Dr. Tom Sunic and I discussing my novel “Hold Back This Day” at http://www.reasonradionetwork.com

    For questions or comments, I can be emailed at wardkendall@gmail.com

  199. pessimist's Gravatar pessimist
    January 26, 2012 - 7:59 pm | Permalink

    W@wattylersrevolt:

    “The American Third Party must have a powefull populists-grassroots and economically progressive message. ”

    So spot on. This aspect is a absolute must for any third party to have traction with the embattled White working and Middle-classes. And you will get traction, because the Dems and GOPers have both ceased talking to these people.

    And BTW Jew and their elitist tools hate populism. You want to see them spit pigs blood. Get a populist political uprising going.

    And any third party has as WT stated to go against corporate/globalist machine that is currently de-industrializing and systematically killing off our middle-class and creating a stratified society. Look for the last 20 odd years Wall Street forced one illegal Free Trade agreement after another down our throats which has sent over 8 million well paying jobs overseas. And for those in the high tech industry, they hit us via in-sourcing, corporations import hundred of thousands of foreign workers every year under H1-b and L-1 visa programs to replace American engineers and technicians. On the lower end American business wages war by importing illegal Hispanics by the millions for the service industry.

  200. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 26, 2012 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    O.N.
    I can not overemphasize how crucial it is to have a Native Born White American Patriotic framework that emphasizes the facistic criminality of the Corporations…The Corporations own post-1965 Immigration Policy-it is no exageration to so this-and they own every Republican and Democratic politican. If the American Third Party does not do this, they will allow the Occupy Wall Street crowd and their multimillionaire leftists supporters such as Noam Chomsky to define the terms of discussion..and with this OWS and Noam Chomsky can get away with being anti-Corporate Facism take over of American Society and at the same time advocate the exact same post-1965 low wage scab labor policy that transfers $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from millions of ordinary Native Born White Americans to the White Liberal Greedy Cheating Class..and this brings me to my next point:Peter Briemelow is an enthusiasts for the immigration time out..he pushed Buchannan to push the moratorium in Buchannan’s awfull new book. The immigration time out concedes our most powerfull “debating” point to the race-replacement enthusiasts which is the labor scarcity issue..for the immigration time out at its core is the view that a severe labor scarcity would be a terrible thing and therfore when the economy picks up and labor markets tighten up..legal nonwhite immigration can be cranked up again..in my strongest opinion..this makes Peter Brimelow a big time fraud….the immigration time out just doesn’t concede an inch to the race-replacement enthusiasts..it concedes the whole debate to the enemy..yet dspite this, the free-market enthusiast and foriegner Peter Brimelow continues to push a immigration time out..the only time out that is acceptable is a permanent time-out of all non-white post 1965 immigration..forever.

  201. O.N's Gravatar O.N
    January 26, 2012 - 3:48 pm | Permalink

    @ Wat Tyler

    Dead on. Anti-corporate action is the wave of the future. Populism seems to be the only viable vehicle for White identity politics in America.

  202. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 26, 2012 - 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Tom Sunic
    The American Third Party hasn’t got a snowballs chance in hell of long term viable unless it goes out of its way to take on psychopathic Corporation control of the American economy and American poltical system. The takeover of American Society by fascistic and psychopathic Corporations has been the fundamental force in the policy of race-replacement of the Native Born White American Majority at the hands of high fertility post-1965 nonwhites.

    The American Third Party must have a powefull populists-grassroots and economically progressive message.

    Therefore, the American Third Party must put forth an alternative way for truly democratic politics. There is no reason why The American Third Party couldn’t adopt and push the ideas of Ralph Nader and Noam Chomsky on the poltics of radical-anarchistic deep thinking about democratic grassroots politics..this is the only way to keep out the opoprtunistic sociopaths that will always be with us. Of course, the Amercan Third party would categorically reject the race-placement enthusiasm and filthy social and cultural liberalism of Noam Chomsky and Ralph Nader. Honestly, I do not see any other alternative to this.

    I highly recommend that celerbrities of the American Third Party to do deep reading into history of peasant revolts in Europe,the populist poltical movements in American History and labor revolts in American history.

    At the most fundamental level at this point in time, the celebrities of Native Born White American Patriot movement must start speaking directly their fellow Native Born White Americans about what they will with 100 percent certainty have to give up for racial minority status within the borders of “America”…do this unrelentingly..every time..all the time…I have enormous respect for Jared Taylor..but Jared must evolve beyond asking the very evil doers who want us race-replaced for permission to engage in full-blown Native Born White American identity politcs.

    I’ve made many post on American Renaissance and Alternative Right detailing just what millions of Native Born White Americans will-with one hundred certainty-are going to have to give up for racial minority status within the borders of “America”. The celebrities of the Native Born White American Patriot movement should use my posts as talking points. Our fellow Native Born White Americans are completely clueless as to fast they are going to lose all the wonderfull amenities-Nature-Outdoors for example-that make life worth living. Get rid of the mind-numbing-the-eyes-glaze-over-lectures about psychometrics as fast as possile..completely losing strategy. Tell me what you think Sunic…

    One last point, I urge the founders of the American Third Party to rent and watch the documentary “Then Corporation as Psychopath” commit this documentary to memory. If the American Third Party does not tap into the growing hatred within White America towards the psychopathic Corporation, the American Third Party will go the way of the anemic Tea Part..with 100 percent certainty….

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