Benzion Netanyahu: Jewish Activist and Intellectual Apologist

Kevin MacDonald


Benzion Netanyahu, father of the current Israeli PM, has died at the age of 102. Uri Avnery, an Israeli peace activist, describes Netanyahu  fils  as “a Holocaust-obsessed fantasist, out of contact with reality, distrusting all Goyim, trying to follow in the footsteps of a rigid and extremist father – altogether a dangerous person to lead a nation in a real crisis.” Like father, like son.

Benzion Netanyahu was a prototypical Jewish activist, switching easily from his work as secretary for racial Zionist Vladimir Jabotinsky, to successfully lobbying for a pro-Zionist platform for the Republican Party in 1944 (which caused the Democrats to adopt a similar platform), to his work as a Jewish academic historian advancing Jewish interests in academia. His best-known book, The Origins of the Inquisition in 15th-Century Spain, was published in 1995 by Random House.

A commentary by Yossi Halevi Klein claims that the goal of Netanyahu’s scholarship was to

dissect the consequences of Jewish naivete. Benzion’s fascination with medieval Spain wasn’t based only on the behavior of the victimizers but of the victims. He not only drew a line connecting what he defined as the racial anti-Semitism of the Inquisition with Nazism, but implicitly drew a line between the Jews who saw medieval Spain as their golden land and the Jews who saw modern Germany as their new Zion. It is precisely that dread of Jewish self-deception that has defined the politics of Benzion’s son.

Similarly Jonathan S. Tobin, writing in Commentary,  claims that Netanyahu’s “understood that hatred and intolerance lay at the roots of the difficulties of the Jews then as now. As his son noted at his funeral …, the challenge is to “face reality head on” and “draw the necessary conclusions.”

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But did Netanyahu really believe that traditional Jews were naive? That they failed to face reality? A passage that stood out for me in The Origins of the Inquisition is the following:

It was primarily because of the functions of the Jews as the king’s revenue gatherers in the urban areas that the cities saw the Jews as the monarch’s agents, who treated them as objects of massive exploitation. By serving as they did the interests of the kings, the Jews seemed to be working against the interests of the cities; and thus we touch again on the phenomenon we have referred to: the fundamental conflict between the kings and their people—a conflict not limited to financial matters, but one that embraced all spheres of government that had a bearing on the people’s life. It was in part thanks to this conflict of interests that the Jews could survive the harsh climate of the Middle Ages, and it is hard to believe that they did not discern it when they came to resettle in Christian Europe. Indeed, their requests, since the days of the Carolingians, for assurances of protection before they settled in a place show (a) that they realized that the kings’ positions on many issues differed from those of the common people and (b) that the kings were prepared, for the sake of their interests, to make common cause with the “alien” Jews against the clear wishes of their Christian subjects. In a sense, therefore, the Jews’ agreements with the kings in the Middle Ages resembled the understandings they had reached with foreign conquerors in the ancient world. (Netanyahu 1995, 71–72)

Netanyahu is saying quite clearly that Jews were not naively trusting but rather realized that in making alliances with exploitative elites, they would incur the wrath of the people and thus require princely assurances of protection. The Jewish alliance with exploitative elites was an important theme of historical anti-Semitism from the ancient world into the modern era throughout Europe and elsewhere. Medieval Spain was typical.

Since the role of Jews as tax farmers (as well as all of their other roles in traditional societies) was dependent on the non-Jewish elite, anti-Jewish writers have often condemned the aristocracy for allowing Jews to exploit the lower orders of society. A petition to King Enrique of the Cortes of Toro (Castile) in 1371 complained that because of the power given to Jews by the King and the nobles, Jews controlled the cities and even the persons of the Spaniards (Netanyahu 1995, 118). In the following century, Fray Alonso de Espina, the Fransican friar who was instrumental in establishing the Inquisition, condemned the “detested avarice of the Christian princes” and “the temporal gains which they get from the Jews” (in Netanyahu 1995, 731). On the other hand, Espina praised King Philip Augustus, who “burned with the zeal of God” when he despoiled the Jews and expelled them from France in opposition to the pleas of the nobility and prelates and offers of bribes from the Jews (in Netanyahu 1995, 831). (Separation and Its Discontenst, Ch. 2)

Netanyahu was therefore quite aware that Jews in medieval Spain were willing exploiters of the Spaniards in alliance with a corrupt Spanish aristocracy. I can’t resist pointing out the parallel to our current situation—that our new American elite is substantially composed of ethnically conscious Jews with a heavy sprinkling of corrupt Whites with no allegiance or loyalty to their own people—exactly the Jewish formula for success in traditional societies. These corrupt Whites are often very well compensated for their treason. Indeed, losing any sense of loyalty to one’s own people has become the ticket for success for Whites in America and throughout the West.

One would think on the basis of his portrayal of Jews as willing and self-conscious agents of massive exploitation in alliance with corrupt  non-Jewish elites that Netanyahu would realize the rationality of traditional anti-Jewish attitudes. However, there is little evidence of that, and certainly his treatment of the motives behind the Inquisition strongly suggest that he thinks Jewish behavior is irrelevant to anti-Semitism.

Indeed, the above passage can be read as saying that the Jews had to be exploiters in order to survive the Middle Ages. Survival comes first before any compunction about exploiting non-Jews. (Jewish exploitation of non-Jews was greatly facilitated by Jewish religious attitudes that non-Jews are exploitable outgroups—an ideology that is enshrined in all the founding Jewish religious documents, from the Old Testament to the Talmud.)

This view that the behavior of Jews is irrelevant to hatred directed against them is an incredibly important part of the Jewish self-concept. A recent review of a book on the history of British attitudes on Jews begins, “What is important about anti-Semitism—a fairly modern term for an ancient clutch of ideas—is that it has less to tell us about the Jews themselves than about their enemies” (“Inverted targets,” David Vital’s review of Anthony Julius’s Trials of the Diaspora, TLS, July 23, 2010).

Despite some rather clear-eyed passages, in general Netanyahu’s book is a masterpiece of propaganda and apologia. (The NYTimes  puts it rather mildly, stating that “Though praised for its insights, the book was also criticized as having ignored standard sources and interpretations. Not a few reviewers noted that it seemed to look at long-ago cases of anti-Semitism through the rear-view mirror of the Holocaust.” It is certainly not surprising that Netanyahu’s strong Jewish identification would color his scholarship.

Netanyahu’s obvious blind spots combined with some strikingly clear-eyed insights  intrigued me, with the result that I devoted a rather long discussion to his work in Chapter 7 of Separation and Its Discontents (“Rationalization and Apologia: The Intellectual Construction of Judaism,” p. 21ff and the Appendix).  Netanyahu’s basic thesis is that the vast majority of Jews who claimed to convert to Christianity (called ‘New Christians’, ‘Conversos’, or the pejorative ‘Marranos’) were sincere in their Christian beliefs. Therefore, the Inquisition was not really about religious insincerity but about racial anti-Semitism. The Inquisition should be seen as a forerunner of National Socialism (and current Israeli immigration policies) where Jews were defined on the basis of biological ancestry rather than surface beliefs.

One of the more fascinating aspects of Netanyahu’s argument is that he shows that New Christian  intellectuals were adept at coming up with arguments to defend Jewish racial exclusivity after their supposed conversion to Christianity. These intellectuals presented Jews as a genetically separate religious group composed of morally superior individuals and distinguished by a superior genetic heritage. On this basis, the New Christians argued that they were therefore worthy of being the progenitors of Christ who was born a Jew. (This appeals to Christians who naturally want to believe that Jesus came from a superior genetic stock.)  The basic strategy was to realize that Christianity could serve as a perfectly viable ideology in which Christian Jews could retain their ethnic solidarity, but with a Christian religious veneer.

I agree with Netanyahu that the Inquisition was indeed a race war, but I try to show that the Jews who converted to Catholicism were the real racialists, since, whatever their religious beliefs (and Netanyahu is doubtless right that at least some may have become sincere Christians), they continued to marry among themselves and constituted a separate ethnic group in competition with the Old Christians for positions of prestige and power within Spanish society. (This view was previously proposed by historian Américo Castro; see p. 232 in above link). Since I accept the primacy of race and ethnicity in human affairs, for me the behavior of the Inquisitors is entirely understandable, although searching around for deviant religious beliefs is at best an inefficient way of sniffing out ethnic competitors.

Not that this would have deterred the Converso intellectuals. Their basic point was that if you really believe in a universalist Christianity where nothing matters except religious belief, then you shouldn’t be upset if a subset of former Jews continues to marry among themselves and retains its ethnic coherence, as long as their beliefs are sincere. (Hence Netanyahu’s attempt, rejected by most scholars, to prove the Christian religious orthodoxy of the New Christians.) These Jewish intellectuals are basically saying to the Old Christians, “Live up to your Christian beliefs and ideals that ethnicity doesn’t matter. We Jews wish to preserve our superior genetic lineage and continue to marry among ourselves. But that should be of no concern to you.”

The same sort of strategy was used by Horace Kallen and other Jewish intellectuals to argue for the “proposition nation” concept for America in the 20th century (see here, pp. 238ff). That is, if one takes Enlightenment universalism seriously, there is no basis for arguing that the United States can be defined in terms of any particular ethnic group. In a nutshell, they were saying, “Take your ideals seriously. America is nothing more than a set of principles having to do with democracy and human rights. We, on the other hand, reject universalism in favor of Jewish particularism and are therefore intent on establishing Israel as a Jewish ethnostate.”

It’s obvious that a mindless allegiance to Western universalism (whether religious or secular) ultimately spells death to the West as an ethnic entity. And, in my view, it would also spell the end of Western culture generally, since  there is no reason whatever to suppose that the deluge of non-Europeans now invading the territories traditionally dominated by Europeans will do anything to preserve Western culture once its founding population loses political power and becomes a minority. Indeed, a theme of TOO has been the hatred against the people and cultures of the West that is entirely mainstream among the hostile elite and the emerging anti-White coalition that is on the verge of becoming an electoral majority in American politics. Similar processes are occurring throughout the West.

In the end, religion has to be kept on an ethnically informed leash. If not, it becomes a weapon against legitimate White interests. Western universalism and Christianity will be the first casualties of the rise of the anti-White coalition. From the arguments of the New Christian intellectuals to the promotion of Christian Zionism in the 21st, Jewish intellectuals have shown that they are quite adept at exploiting Western universalism to achieve their particularist interests.

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200 Comments to "Benzion Netanyahu: Jewish Activist and Intellectual Apologist"

  1. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    May 6, 2012 - 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Question: It seems to me that if a king wants to collect taxes, he needs soldiers more than he needs scriveners. Why were Jews NEEDED to do this? Surely Jewish literacy can’t be the explanation for the origins of court Jews and Jewish banking families.

  2. May 6, 2012 - 6:29 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius: Jewish financial acumen makes them ideal candidates for running the tax system. I would also add that if one is to exploit their own population, hiring an out-group to carry out the exploitation is the best route, as they’ll have less scruples about doing it. They will just not care all that much the poor treatment of the exploited classes. Or, if they have some particular animosity towards the exploited class (as the Jews do), they’ll be happy to turn the screws. It would be like the USA using Uighur auxiliaries against the Han if the USA was ever to invade China. Gadaffi used negro mercenaries in order to clamp down on troublesome tribes in Libya.

    As for why scriveners instead of swords, I would imagine it is because most people will just do what they’re told and pay up. And scriveners are better for running a tax system than just swords. Sending ruffians to beat the money out of someone would also precipitate a tax revolt much more quickly.

  3. Stogumber's Gravatar Stogumber
    May 6, 2012 - 6:42 pm | Permalink

    “This view that the behavior of Jews is irrelevant to hatred directed against them is an incredibly important part of the Jewish self-concept.”
    I’m rather sure that there is a psychological terminus technicus for a kind of disorder where people are unable to make a connection betetween their own behaviour and the behaviour of others. Can anyone help me with the mot propre?

  4. May 6, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius: Collecting taxes was akin to the moneychangers in the temple. Some religious groups, like Mennonites (who are similar to Amish), saw banking as “the love of money”, and hired Jews to handle the financial affairs of the colony.

  5. grounsel's Gravatar grounsel
    May 6, 2012 - 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Would this explain the hysterics over hearsay and the Malleus Maleficarum?
    I do see the connection between elites and Jews that you are making. What I do not get is why so many who had intellectual or practical disagreements with the church, became the victims and burned at the stake. Is there a connection to the white guilt of today and the white scapegoats of the inquisition? Are Jews really that clever that they can cause doubt and distrust amongst whites to cause us to kill each other? Were the Christian clerics really that stupid that they did not know they were being manipulated?

  6. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    May 6, 2012 - 7:05 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius:

    Perhaps Christians didn’t like doing this sort of work so it was outsourced.

  7. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    May 6, 2012 - 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Im so tired of all the Israelis and Russian Jews around LA, as well as the Orthodox and Iranians [opps, they are Persians].

  8. European's Gravatar European
    May 6, 2012 - 8:23 pm | Permalink

    @buckle:
    Money, the root of all evil? Monks in the middle ages lived in poverty, and it was seen as a virtue as not not be corrupted by $$$$$ influence. Just look at it from today’s point of view. Although educated in the Banking-Industry I refuse to work in a Bank (in the US) after I’ve seen how the general population of people are treated. Money talked then and it talkes now!

  9. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 6, 2012 - 9:59 pm | Permalink

    This article is a brilliant article to be reflected upon by both Christians, anti-Christians and pagans. And as he noted, Western culture itself falls prey to the same problem if it is treated as something that can be divorced from ethnicity. I call them the Culture-Only People.

    Please remember at least this line:

    In the end, religion has to be kept on an ethnically informed leash.

    Got it?

  10. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    May 6, 2012 - 11:10 pm | Permalink

    Yes Money and wealth will corrupt virtually anyone. Only those who think Judgement ‘The Day of Wrath’ is close/reality can actually resist i would think. eg. the early Christians and the Monastic/Knight orders of medieval Europe.

    However the Jews worked hard to pre-empt any apocalyptic fervor this time around. Especially with the Christian-Zionists who actually look forward to it and strangely enough believe they have nothing to fear wtf!! Seriously, even though technically the (medieval) Catholics were saved, they still dreaded accounting for their sins… where as these CZ’s seem to think it’s ok to kill millions of arabs and whoever for Israel and that they have a first class reservation in Heaven. Insanity.

  11. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    May 6, 2012 - 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Cough

    Jews were prominent in the fields involving the managing of cash flows and/or vice due to the existing societal division of labor, if you will, in which non-Christians (read: Jews) had to reconcile the need to earn a living with being subjected to a glass ceiling in so far as their professional ambitions were concerned.
    Thus Jews had been left with no choice other than going into tax collectors; pawn shop owners; payday lenders; brothel runners; bootleggers et cetera.
    In other words, the sort of endeavors a typical church going christian won’t be caught dead getting involved in.

    Cough

  12. Panina's Gravatar Panina
    May 6, 2012 - 11:32 pm | Permalink

    The primary reason of Jewish presence in banking is the Christian interdiction of usury. Period. Why shift the blame away from the Church?

  13. chad's Gravatar chad
    May 6, 2012 - 11:47 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: who are you talking to with the, “got it?”

  14. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 6, 2012 - 11:52 pm | Permalink

    @chad:

    Basically any of us who think that religion OR anti-religion is THE solution to our race problem. Everyone is entitled to their religion, and history shows that a people always have one and probably need one.

    I just want to emphasize that what we have is a race problem. Attacking Christians won’t fix that. Neither will converting everyone to Christianity. Those may be fine goals, but they are not the solution to our race problem.

  15. chad's Gravatar chad
    May 6, 2012 - 11:55 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: ok, thanks for the quick reply.

  16. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    May 6, 2012 - 11:55 pm | Permalink

    I shall have to reread Separation and its Discontent.
    A few years ago even that venerable old anti-Christ, the BBC, came out with a documentary that said the tales of the Inquisition were greatly exaggerated. Only Jews posing as Christians and undermining the church fell victim while Jews that were openly Jewish were left alone. Proto-protestants fell victim too as they were seen to be destabilizing society which they were. William Walsh in “Characters of the Inquisition” gave the numbers of those killed in effigy as against the very small number actually put to death (or worse) by the Inquisition. In all fairness the Catholics gave every chance for the traitors to repent.

  17. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    May 7, 2012 - 12:37 am | Permalink

    I am distressed with corrupt white men (and women). If it were not for corrupt men willing to sell us down the river our great and beautiful country would not be on the brink of collapse. Our race would not be facing genocide.

    White politicians are horrible. As a matter of fact, my friends constantly complain about the “liberals.” Sometimes, I try to explain the Jewish hand in our affairs, but they look blank for the most part and go back to “liberals.“

    Okay, maybe that is justified. I, for one, am fed up with “liberals.“ I don’t know who invented the word – apparently, it has been around for a very long time in Europe, but “liberalism” seems to be a psychological word to cover up criminal behavior and give it respectability.

    If you have noticed… liberals are not worried. They seem to feel very safe and comfortable. They enjoy squabbling with the “conservatives.“ It’s like a big game between them as they sell out the people and the nation. Since Jews need white collaborators for their take-over agenda they push the “liberal” veneer to protect white traitors from the wrath of the people.

    Jews can’t get laws passed without the cooperation of white politicians. Every rotten law bringing us to the brink of disaster was approved by white “liberals.“ There would be no Federal Reserve Bank without white collaborators, no income tax, no Civil Rights Act, no Affirmative Action, no forced school integration, no open borders, no Jewish power without the participation of corrupt white men. Media, particularly the television networks, have enormous power. Since Jews control it we can’t protect our own people from unfair attacks. Some white individual are treated horribly but we are powerless to defend them. The Jews can state their case any which way they want to, but we can’t. Except through the Internet which does not yet have the power of television.
    If we had the television networks in our hands white people would absolutely lash back and things would be completely different. Everything we write here would be on television all over America.

  18. chad's Gravatar chad
    May 7, 2012 - 12:55 am | Permalink

    @Heather Blue: i agree completely.

  19. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 7, 2012 - 1:03 am | Permalink

    @Heather Blue:

    In the long run, it is crucial to understand the role of Jews in our disaster. However, it’s interesting how your friends just kind of phase it out and then return to liberals. This is very common. The problem is they’ve been programmed since kindergarten to ignore anyone that talks about Jews (they’ve been taught only genocidal monsters talk about Jews in a critical manner). Basically, the moment you bring up Jews, they go blank. This is a problem.

    I would suggest first making them racially aware, and even more basic than that, making them aware that Whites are being singled out for abuse and mass immigration – that only our societies are targeted for extinction as White societies. People haven’t heard this yet and it gets by their programming. Everyone wants to talk about the Jew-thing, we’ve all done it, but people tend to discount what we say (after all they probably know a nice Jewish doctor, and often times he really is nice enough as a doctor).

    Try the baby step of just getting them to understand that Whites and only Whites are being targeted. Maybe use the term anti-Whites. There is legitimacy to this, because while Jews are a big part of it, blacks, browns and especially White anti-Whites are a huge part of it as well. There are millions of Whites who are anti-Whites in America. If your friends can first see that Whites are being singled out and that this isn’t happening accidentally, that will be a major step. The rest will follow.

    We have to find a way to get around their Politically Correct programming. Jew-talk triggers powerful defense mechanisms in most people (I bet their blood pressure spikes). Letting them ease into racial thinking may get past all that. Especially if we present Whites as the victims and focus on that, instead of explaining our theory of how it all works. Until people first believe Whites are being targeted for racial reasons, they won’t be open to the rest.

  20. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    May 7, 2012 - 1:16 am | Permalink

    I agree with Netanyahu that the Inquisition was indeed a race war, but I try to show that the Jews who converted to Catholicism were the real racialists

    Race and religion overlapped in this war with the Jews. Conversos with strong religious faith sided with the Catholics while the less-committed Conversos helped the Jews. The acclaimed Catholic historian William Thomas Walsh wrote a series of unprecedentedly provocative histories of Spain just before the politically correct ossification of academic history following WWII. Harvard-graduate Walsh exposed the establishment-ignored trial and conviction of twelve Spanish Jews and Conversos for the human sacrifice of a Christian boy prior to the Jewish expulsion. He documents the arc of the Spanish reconquista and rise to world superpower status.

    Here is the beginning of Walsh’s biography on perhaps the greatest Queen of Europe, Isabella: http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/isabella.htm

  21. Antiyuppie's Gravatar Antiyuppie
    May 7, 2012 - 2:37 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    “In the end, religion has to be kept on an ethnically informed leash.”
    That is why I particularly appreciate Orthodox Christianity (although nominally I’m Catholic). The Orthodox have a “Russian Orthodox Church”, a “Serbian Orthodox Church”, a “Greek Orthodox Church” etc. I.e. church and Nation are one. And they don’t run around the world tring to “convert” Negroes or Samoans to the “right” religion or import them into White countries. They only care about “their” people.

  22. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 7, 2012 - 2:43 am | Permalink

    @Antiyuppie:

    Very interesting, I’ve noticed some Greek Orthodox churches in my area. Encouraging ethnic Christian churches is a good idea.

  23. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 7, 2012 - 2:50 am | Permalink

    @Sandy:

    A few years ago even that venerable old anti-Christ, the BBC, came out with a documentary that said the tales of the Inquisition were greatly exaggerated.

    Can you give us a reference for this? Thanks.

  24. Dirk's Gravatar Dirk
    May 7, 2012 - 3:17 am | Permalink

    @Athanasius: the use of Jewry for tax collection is also entwined with the monetarisation of the economy. William the Conquerer also brought in Jews to collect his taxes… in coin. Before taxes were levied by extraction of grain, cows, eggs, etc. but from 1066 onwards farmers and citizens alike should pay in coin. If they had no coin, they could ‘borrow’ it from the tax collector with debt-slavery as a result. Jews had a double function: collect the tax and impose a monetary system on the population.

  25. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    May 7, 2012 - 3:21 am | Permalink

    @Sandy:

    I think you will find that the Inquisition itself never executed. This action was undertaken by civil authorities. This was a common pattern throughout Europe.

    Sometimes the BBC will leave a documentary maker alone. Dan Snow completed an excellent study of medieval Irish monasticism which again exploded black myths. Those here who claim that Christianity should not “go out and convert all nations” need to think again. The Irish monks exported science and technology in addition to religion and philosophy to the four corners of Europe out of pure altrusim. There was simply nothing in it for them.

  26. Antiyuppie's Gravatar Antiyuppie
    May 7, 2012 - 3:34 am | Permalink

    If the Third Reich had lasted longer, without a shadow of a doubt and, in my opinion, rightly so, they would have wiped out both Catholicism and Protestantism from Germany. They never did because they needed a united home front during their life-and-death struggle against the forces of Judeo-Bolshevism and Judeo-Capitalism.
    However, the real problem is how to replace Christianity after the original pagan spiritual attitudes have been uprooted and lost for millennia now. Surely, one can not just improvise summer solstices, yule tides etc. and expect people to genuinly believe in this…
    In recent decades the “de-Christianization” has advanced with astonishing speed, but unfortunately this process is not driven by a desire for a return to our original, solar, natural, ancestral religion. Instead the trend is towards a total lack of spirituality, ethics and traditional values… towards a selfish, consumerist, materialistic, utilitarian mindset. Wall Street instead of St. Peter’s.
    In this context, what at the beginning was an essentially subversive and degenerative phenomenon – namely – Christianity – today has paradoxically become one of the few weak bulwarks against the Jewish religion of usury, of money. In other words, during West’s race to the bottom, Christianity – that was once itself a bastion of decadence – has become “tradition” compared to even worse and more destructive trends.
    For this reason, even if I have completely lost my faith in Christian (Catholic) religion, I still defend some of its attitudes, manirisms, traditions as I see these as some sort of weak rear-guard actions aimed to salvage the salvageable. For example, I do support the fight to maintain Christmas/Easter traditions, to wear religious symbols at work etc. However, Christianity, because of its inherent weaknesses (universalism), compromises and even complicities with the Jews is utimately doomed to failure, to succumb to their power, to the power of their dark cathedral.

  27. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 7, 2012 - 3:41 am | Permalink

    @Antiyuppie:

    At this point, how could anyone take paganism seriously? No one believes Odin exists. No one believes in paganism in any serious way. I understand many of your concerns, but families are not going to actually believe what people believed 1,500 years ago in Ireland or Germany, are they?

  28. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 7, 2012 - 3:48 am | Permalink

    It should be noted that in Spain and Italy, where the Inquisition was strong, there were almost no witch-hunts and devastations by post reformation religious wars. Where the Church is strong, the revolutionary Jew is weak
    And it should be noted that usury is the problem, not the ban of usury as we can see with the system of world finance collapsing under the sin of usury.

  29. Arbiter's Gravatar Arbiter
    May 7, 2012 - 4:36 am | Permalink

    The political situation Netanyahu describes in the paragraph quoted by MacDonald is actually at the center of the infamous “Jud Suess” propaganda movie.

  30. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    May 7, 2012 - 5:18 am | Permalink

    @Antiyuppie:

    It’s curious to note how so many threads evolve into discussion about who are the worst collaborators: Christians or Atheists? Of course, there is a sub-set issue on the “Christian side” with the Catholics blaming the Reformation for the collaborationist tendencies amongst Christians and so on.

    For the most part, I have a blast on here as many contributors are well informed although, as previously stated, I can do without the trade in insults and rudeness but that is the internet for you …

    Given that the recurring Christians v Atheists theme leads most threads into a cul-de-sac, does anyone know a way out of the impasse?

    “Cul-de-sac” and “impasse” – interesting how one resorts to the French language to express a diplomatic if not philosophical dilemma!

  31. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 7, 2012 - 5:24 am | Permalink

    @buckle:

    Given that the recurring Christians v Atheists theme leads most threads into a cul-de-sac, does anyone know a way out of the impasse?

    Yes, they should focusing on it and focus on race instead. Which is what this site is supposed to be about. Sorry to butt in, and you may be one of the dimwits who thought I was a Hasbara agent, but nonetheless, the answer to our RACE problem is to focus on RACE.

  32. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 7, 2012 - 6:27 am | Permalink

    „.. they would have wiped out both Catholicism and Protestantism from Germany.“
    The Bolschewiki had much more time and they started from day one with zeal to reach this end. They thought that after a few years this “superstition” would been rooted out. The Bolschewiki are dead, the Church lives. And by the way, everywhere the Wehrmacht went in Russia, Churches opened again and the people got baptized in masses.
    Many powers wanted to destroy the Church. And it is modernism with its consumerism and liberalism who got farthest in approaching this goal. But the Church is even more than a corrupted generation of boomers and some networks of sodomites and freemasons. They will die, the Church will live. Because it is the living body of Logos.
    I think it is of significance that many from the anti Christian right circle around the thinking of Nietzsche, a compulsive masturbator who went certifiably mad .
    In the last few days, because of his tragic death, I did a little research into the life of a well known Nietzsche fan, that is Jonathan Bowden. He was a great orator, but he was a very troubled person There is a lot of talk now, that Jonathan only was so great, because he was always on the edge. Maybe. But by definition, everyone who is „on the edge“ is troubled by unresolved sin.
    In fact this whole anti Christianity boils down to a graffiti on a wall near the Catholic Church in my small German town, which translates as: „Get the bible out of my head!“, which translates as: Get the law of nature out of my head! And that is what Nietzsche found out the hard way: you cannot redefine sin as virtue and live a happy life thereafter. It is not possible, because Gods law is natures law, and every unresolved sin will rot in you and make your life miserable. For the non believer the only way out of this dilemma is suicide, which now becomes fashionable as antinatalism OR the way of the Marquis the Sade which is open rebellion against God that goes by its own logic all the way towards torture and murder.

  33. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    May 7, 2012 - 7:10 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I have not accused anyone of being a member of any agency although whether this is enough to remove me from your shortlist of dimwits is open to debate.

  34. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    May 7, 2012 - 7:50 am | Permalink

    @Wolfgang Star:

    Wolfgang great post especially in the context of Jason’s.

    The choice is thus:

    1) We stay out of the cul-de-sac and discuss race – masturbator to masturbator (or supermasturbator to supermasturbator as Nietzsche might put it).

    2) We dimwits go back into the culd-de-sac and continue to trade insults with the atheists.

    It’s going places this movement!

  35. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    May 7, 2012 - 8:52 am | Permalink

    A great falsehood about Spanish history is that Spain went into decline after the Jews were forced to convert to Catholicism or expelled in 1492. It was the other way around: If we had to choose a precise date, the Spanish Golden Age started the very year after they were expelled, which also marked the end of the Reconquista; and it lasted for about two centuries before Spain declined. Not only has this Golden Age been ignored but instead Jewish historians and PC collaborators have focused on an earlier “golden age” of the medieval era in which Jews and Muslims were the prominent ones. The Spaniards barely paid attention to this golden age until recent times. They have always designated the golden age of the of the 15th-17th centuries as the true “Siglo Del Oro”. But Spaniards have been made to feel guilty of this age, which produced not only their greatest painters, musicians, scientists, historians, poets, but also one of the greatest empires in history. In Spain today historians don’t speak with pride of their expulsion of the Moors and the discovery of the New World. They have been made to accept the claim that the Jews and Muslims produced the first and more foundational golden age,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smSVliOSehw

    The emphasis is on the medieval era and the golden age of Islam, in which Jews are said to have played a big role; and this age is not only portrayed as “golden” but as one of tolerance, civility, and multiculturalism.
    A known book advancing this claim is Maria Rosa Menocal’s
    Ornament of the World: How Muslims, Jews, and Christians Created a Culture of Tolerance in Medieval Spain (2002). This book was promoted particularly in light of 9/11, as a way of showing that these ethnic groups once existed in a state of harmony before the inquisitorial Catholics came.

    But see here for a concerted effort by Dario Fernandez-Morera against this myth, how Jews collaborated with Muslims against Spanish culture, and, in fact, how Islamic Spain was bringing about, already by the 12th, the “extinction” of Catholics: http://dariofernandezmorera.blogspot.ca/2011/08/truth-about-convivencia-of-muslims-jews.html

    Today, Jews who are otherwise critical of radical Muslims, such as Martin Kramer and Daniel Pipes, point to this age as an example of peaceful coexistence between Europeans, Jews, and Muslims. They are keen in promoting a vision of Europe as a civilization in which Muslims and Jews were co-creators of the same significance as the Europeans themselves. As long as Muslims are “moderate”, they are fine with massive immigration and the transformation of European nations into extensions of Islamic and African cultures.

    For the promotion of a positive image of Islam in Europe by Jews, and the idea that Islam was more civilized than Catholic Christendom, see Kramer’s book, The Jewish Discovery of Islam, and Pipes’s review in Amazon:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9652240400?ie=UTF8&tag=theocciquaron20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=9652240400

  36. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    May 7, 2012 - 9:31 am | Permalink

    @Dirk:

    That’s interesting that William the Conquerer “brought in the Jews to collect taxes”. Where did you find that fact?

    The character of the Jews even in modern American society is evident—they like money, and lots of it. But, they want to get money without having to engage in any physical labor which they see as demeaning and unproductive. There is even a common yiddish word that describes physical work as demeaning.

    The Jews also have that attitude that they know best, and that they are particularly qualified to be experts, arbitrators & leaders.

    Here in the US there has never been anything standing in the way of the Jews, yet they have gravitated toward their traditional roles, and relationships towards production & money.

    Here’s a question for you. How in Bible Belt, Ohio, did consortiums of Jews end up with the casino franchises in the major cities, and the state capitol? That’s the otherside of the Jewish coin.

  37. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    May 7, 2012 - 11:07 am | Permalink

    @Achaean: Someone has similarly suggested that without the expulsion of the Jews by Edward I, the rise of parliament and representative government in England would never have occured. Deprived of their traditional agents to extract revenue from their subjects, English monarchs were forced to go directly to their own people for needed monies.

    Having a foreign elite as agents of government is as jeopardizing to civic health in the 21st century as it was in the 13th.

  38. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    May 7, 2012 - 11:17 am | Permalink

    What happened to the other new article, a book review about Humanism, written by someone last name Martin? I clicked on an embedded link and the article is no where on TOO. Was it taken down for revision?

  39. eugen's Gravatar eugen
    May 7, 2012 - 11:33 am | Permalink

    @Achaean. Regarding your very interesting post, the link you provide to Morera does not work. Can you correct this?

  40. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    May 7, 2012 - 11:41 am | Permalink

    @Achaean:

    These myths about the Inquisition were sustained by protestant Europe and gained further impetus from the libertarian tradition of the American republic model and elsewhere.

    One of the most famous debates in British TV history was the “Life of Brian” discussion between Malcolm Muggeridge and the homosexual Anglican Bishop, Mervyn Stockwood on the one hand (two Nietzschean masturbators if ever there was) and members of the Monty Python team on the other. At one point, John Cleese has only to utter the magic words, “Spanish Inquisition” (by way of a justification for their antagonstic views towards organised religion of which the film was representative) for the audience to applaud both appreciatively and knowingly.

  41. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    May 7, 2012 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    @buckle:

    Given that the recurring Christians v Atheists theme leads most threads into a cul-de-sac, does anyone know a way out of the impasse?

    “Cul-de-sac” and “impasse” – interesting how one resorts to the French language to express a diplomatic if not philosophical dilemma!

    Who is the aggressor? Are the Christians trying to banish WN non-believers? No, rather it is certain doctrinaire atheists who attack Christianity at every opportunity. The Church is suffering from unprecedented attack and infiltration from the Jews and Freemasons. WN’s who pile on to this attack are betraying the White race (along with the Freemasons and feminists). Not that all the criticism of Christian behavior is invalid, but WN critics should at least refrain from indulging in Jewish-style falsification of history. If the actions liberal Christians deserve rebuke, one should have the sense to condemn the liberalism without impugning that traditional Christianity standing as a bulwark against liberalism.

    Is Christianity the source of a certain weakness among the Europeans? One might legitimately debate the issue, but only while taking into account the historical reality. To wit, the social and demographic decline of virtually every White district has been exactly coterminous with that district’s decline in the intensity and observance of Christianity.

  42. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    May 7, 2012 - 11:50 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    hear hear good points

  43. May 7, 2012 - 11:52 am | Permalink

    Jason Speaks (May 7, 2012 – 1:03 am) made a good point in suggesting the use of labels that hearers can grasp and understand, suggesting the term “anti-white.” If that term is incomprehensible to listeners, consider using “the anti-white narrative.” This is easy to show from TV shows to newspaper content, and it introduces the concept that a wave of virulent anti-white malice is at work in America. Once your listeners understand that the slanders they read every day about their kin are not meant to be helpful, they will begin to notice the names and identities of TV producers, film directors, actors, reporters, and op-ed authors. The discovery of the role of so many Jews in “the anti-white narrative” can be a psychologically explosive event for the naive, diverting them from fighting the campaign of defamation & discrimination all around them to ruminating endlessly on the nature and characteristics of Jews, so be careful.

  44. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    May 7, 2012 - 12:13 pm | Permalink

    The repellant Jew Noam Chomsky recently stated in an interview with lesbian and English foreigner Laura Flanders(niece of transvestite and English foreigner Alexander Cockburn) over at Counterpunch(owned by a Jew named Silverstien) that he was alarmed at the growing Nationalism in Europe, and that this reminded him of Nazi Germany. Is Noam Chomsky alarmed by the growing racial nationalsm of nonwhites in Europe and America? It is comments such as these from hyperthinc Jews such as Noam Chomsky that provokes hatred in a growing number of Europeans and Native Born White Americans towards Jews. Would I like to see the complete destruction of Israel…you betcha as the tramp from Alaska who flirted with a well known black jazz musician while she was pregnant with her soon who she latter sent off as cannon fodder for the hyper-jewish state off Israel from Alaska would say.

  45. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    May 7, 2012 - 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Wolfgang- would you care to define usury?

  46. fender's Gravatar fender
    May 7, 2012 - 12:36 pm | Permalink

    @Wolfgang Star:

    “Nietzsche, a compulsive masturbator who went certifiably mad .”

    Nietzsche went mad due to a brain tumor (most likely), and he was a compulsive masturbator because he had trouble with women.

    @Edward:

    “The Church is suffering from unprecedented attack and infiltration from the Jews and Freemasons. ”

    In that case we need a movement that cannot possibly be infiltrated by the frisbeeheads, and that movement is a RACIAL one.

    “WN’s who pile on to this attack are betraying the White race (along with the Freemasons and feminists).”

    Christianity is a betrayal of the White race because it denies our blood religions in favor of Jewish myths.

    “but WN critics should at least refrain from indulging in Jewish-style falsification of history. ”

    Oh, that’s rich. The Christians on this site are babbling about how they’re the “real” Jews and about how Welsh is derived from Hebrew and you’re accusing US of falsifying history?

    “To wit, the social and demographic decline of virtually every White district has been exactly coterminous with that district’s decline in the intensity and observance of Christianity.”

    Not true. The Eastern European nations are heavily Christian and they’re suffering from worse demographics than the more atheist western states.

    Christianity cannot be resuscitated. It’s used up, worn out, and intellectually impotent. It played its part in the development of Europe, but now it’s time for something new, something with power and vitalty.

  47. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    May 7, 2012 - 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Try this link to an article by Morera: http://www.mmisi.org/ir/41_02/fernandez-morera.pdf

    You will see here subtle references to Jewish collaboration as “intermediaries” between the dominant Muslims and the more subordinate Catholics. This is situation is today called “mutual harmony”.

    bukle is right, these myths have been not just “sustained” but advanced (some aspects of it) by Protestants and the British; but these were divisions of the past between Europeans and Christians which no longer make sense today, and the two groups still sustaining and elaborating the myth are Muslims and Jewish scholars determined to elevate “the so-called Jewish-Spanish Golden age” (as Morera puts it).

    There is a big struggle going on over “what is the West” right now, and non-Europeans and diversity proponents are determined to portray whites, at best, as merely one ethnic group among multiple others; rewrite the past so that it fits with a future deracinated civilization.

  48. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 7, 2012 - 1:08 pm | Permalink

    @buckle:

    I was just having fun, sorry, I saw a thread on another site in which people were accusing each other of being hasbara agents instead of actually making points. Your posts are quite intelligent. I shouldn’t call anyone here by that name by the way.

  49. thm's Gravatar thm
    May 7, 2012 - 1:39 pm | Permalink
  50. thm's Gravatar thm
    May 7, 2012 - 1:56 pm | Permalink

    @Achaean:

    Try this link to an article by Morera: http://www.mmisi.org/ir/41_02/fernandez-morera.pdf

    You will see here subtle references to Jewish collaboration as “intermediaries” between the dominant Muslims and the more subordinate Catholics. This is situation is today called “mutual harmony”.

    Great article, more in depth and interesting than the blog post.

  51. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 7, 2012 - 2:22 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza “… would you care to define usury?”
    What really constitutes usury is a complex question, which is lately discussed at length in “Culture Wars” magazine edited by Michael E. Jones. Michael will bring out a book about capitalism where usury is probably covered. His definition of capitalism: “Capitalism is state sponsored usury”. Online you could google: “Anthony Santelli usury” to get some footing in this subject matter. Santelly has some good articles in Crisis magazine, which is a journal of neocon Catholics but sometimes you can find worthwhile material there.
    Not every form of money lending is per se usury. There are licit and illicit fees. There are fees that cover the costs of the creditor and there are fees that illicitly take advantage of the weakness of the debtor. If you lend money to an enterprise you have to share the risk of loss and profit likewise, otherwise it is usury. Compound interest is definitely usury. Subsuming you could say that usury is lending money without morals.

  52. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    May 7, 2012 - 2:26 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    In that case we need a movement that cannot possibly be infiltrated by the frisbeeheads, and that movement is a RACIAL one.

    The Freemasons are not frisbeeheads.

    Oh, that’s rich. The Christians on this site are babbling about how they’re the “real” Jews and about how Welsh is derived from Hebrew and you’re accusing US of falsifying history?

    WNs should avoid reusing Jewish-backed propaganda to falsely describe Christianity. Just tell the truth.

    Not true. The Eastern European nations are heavily Christian and they’re suffering from worse demographics than the more atheist western states.

    Yes it is true. Most of Eastern Europe was gripped by jack-boot atheism for almost a century. The rebirth of Christianity is very recent and is being undermined by a Judeo-sunami of Western-style atheism. Christianity in virtually all the White nations has severely diminished over the past 100 years.

    Christianity cannot be resuscitated. It’s used up, worn out, and intellectually impotent. It played its part in the development of Europe, but now it’s time for something new, something with power and vitalty.

    Christianity has a long track record of power and vitalty, victory against the Jews, and restoration after having fallen away. What concrete improvement is available to replace Christianity? The present, aggressive proselytizing of atheism from the Jewish media has all the markings of yet another cultural genocide campaign against Whites. Are you more anti-Christian than pro-White?

  53. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 7, 2012 - 2:44 pm | Permalink

    “In that case we need a movement that cannot possibly be infiltrated by the frisbeeheads, and that movement is a RACIAL one.”
    If you really think that a white racial movement cannot be infiltrated I would prod you to another book of E. Michael Jones: “Jewish Nazis”. This one you can get as e-book. I mean, I do not know of any movements more infiltrated then white racial ones. In Germany they cannot forbid the NPD because this party is that much infiltrated by the secret services that any legal process would become a hilarious scandal.

  54. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 7, 2012 - 2:58 pm | Permalink

    @Anonymous: Do a search for “myth of the Spanish Inquisition.” The video, from the eighties, is all over the place. Since then, one of its featured talking heads, Henry Kamen—one of several notable British scholars who, starting in the seventies, did the groundbreaking work exploding the “black legend,” at least for English speakers—has written a book called The Spanish Inquisition: A Historical Revision that takes full advantage of the 250 years’ worth of the Inquisition’s archives. Unlike this country’s archives, which omit vast amounts of material demonstrating that much of what our masters have claimed is the truth is in fact utterly false, the Inquisition’s archives leave nothing out. Why should they? Those who compiled the archives were in service to the truth!

  55. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    May 7, 2012 - 3:01 pm | Permalink

    @Anonymous: My source for that is Marian Therese Horvat PhD in the tape The truth about the Holy Inquisition and is available from: Tradition in Action, PO Box 23135, Los Angeles, CA 90023

    Thanks for asking for as you may have noticed I usually can’t find my references and it really felt good finally finding one!!!?

  56. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    May 7, 2012 - 3:07 pm | Permalink

    @Wolfgang Star: Richard Kelly Hoskins who recently retired now that he is in his 80′s described usury the best (with apologies to Jones to whom I subscribe). If they changed the financial system again and this time used match sticks just imagine if you began by borrowing 10 matches at 10% for a year. The due date comes and because the eleventh match does not exist you have to borrow more to repay the eleventh match. And so it goes. Dog eat dog until the usurer owns everything.

  57. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 7, 2012 - 3:08 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Oh, that’s rich. The Christians on this site are babbling about how they’re the “real” Jews and about how Welsh is derived from Hebrew and you’re accusing US of falsifying history?

    Oh, please, fender. You’re a bright guy, and I’ve several times tipped my hat to you. But you know full well that shooting rapturo-looney fish in a barrel is no way to demonstrate either marksmanship or skills with a rod and reel.

    Apropos which, I thank the good Lord, as well as Odin and the gods of evolution, that KM has shut down commenting on the two Fraser threads, which went stark, staring mad several days ago. Would that the foulmouthed mob that made it an obscene wreck were shut down, too!

  58. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    May 7, 2012 - 3:08 pm | Permalink

    @Achaean:

    Unfortunately, Britain churns out a ready made elite hostile to its own people. Many work in the financial services industry. Others control the military, judiciary and the BBC. The Monty Python team, for example, is also a product of that milieu and many of the sketches display a hatred of the lower classes bordering on a pathology. A point of interest is that these elites are starting to lose control of the Church of England.

  59. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 7, 2012 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    “Nietzsche … was a compulsive masturbator because he had trouble with women.”
    No Fender, other way round. He had trouble with woman because he was a compulsive masturbator. Every compulsive masturbator can find this out by kicking the habit. Real woman start to become more attractive, and he starts to become more attractive for real woman. Ja Ja, so ist das Leben.

  60. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 7, 2012 - 3:15 pm | Permalink

    @Sandy: Great description. Thank you. So it comes that in 100 years after their emancipation the Jews owned all the riches of France.

  61. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 7, 2012 - 3:16 pm | Permalink

    @buckle: I certainly don’t disagree with you overall, but I’ve long thought that there is delightful irony in the fact that their famous and hilarious Spanish Inquisition routine has a lot more truth in it, especially as regards “three last chances” and torture via the comfy chair, than the boys could have known.

  62. GAL's Gravatar GAL
    May 7, 2012 - 3:25 pm | Permalink

    From a commenter at Mondoweiss:

    It saddens me that there should be American Jews that would hesitate for a second to talk about their heritage and lineage. And I guess my sadness is more because of what it says about their environment and conditioning than what it says about them.

    I would think any American would have an amazing sense of pride at having a Jewish lineage. As a thought experiment, what if you could remove from American culture everything that has been contributed by Jews and Blacks. You would still have an Anglo/Hispanic/Asian residue, but think how flaccid it would be compared to what America is. While not denying that Jews and Blacks have contributed independently, the effects of the combination of their talents have been immense. The huge impact Blacks have had on American culture, most of which has been post-WWII, would not have been possible if Jews hadn’t recognized their talents and promoted them. What would America look like without the “moon-walk” or Muddy Waters. We’d still be playing just Mozart.

    As an American ex-pat who has lived mostly in Canada and New Zealand, to my mind, it is the Jews and the Blacks more than anything that sets America apart from the rest of the world, with special reference to the Commonwealth countries, our closest cousins, none of which have any culture at all if you remove what they imported from America. After centuries of patient struggle against horrible discrimination, the Jews and Blacks both finally found a level of acceptance and tolerance and freedom from bigotry in America that allowed them to “do their thing.”

    What worries me most is that Nana’s past of discrimination could become American Jews’ collective future if they get caught in an antisemitic blow-back that would surely result of if the nuclear rogue Israel keeps going in the direction it’s going in and precipitates a nuclear war. Somehow, the Israel-firsters have to be identified now so that it is they, and only they, among American Jews, who are held responsible should the worst happen.

    I am reminded of Hebrew University professor Martin Van Creveld’s comments in 2009 regarding the way Israel has every major European city targeted: “We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that this will happen before Israel goes under.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/05/i-always-knew-nana-was-jewish-but-it-only-came-up-once.html/comment-page-1#comment-449645

  63. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 7, 2012 - 3:37 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: A sentence near the end of the above comment should have read as follows to avoid misstatement: “Unlike this country’s archives, which omit from the public’s access vast amounts of material demonstrating that much of what our masters have claimed is the truth is in fact utterly false, the Inquisition’s archives leave nothing out from scholarly view.”

  64. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    May 7, 2012 - 3:52 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Pierre, if you check out the Life of Brian TV debate it also contains an irony in so much as John Cleese “threatens” Malcolm Muggeridge with the Spanish Inquisition, to the applause of a 1979 studio audience. The threat being part of serious argumentation and an apologia for the LoB movie in response to Muggeridge’s no less serious and sometimes moving criticism. As a debating device in religious disputation mention of the SI never fails. Far more effective than the inquisitors in the original sketch!

    As recently as 1979, the BBC could still call upon a great commentator like Muggeridge or a camp Anglican bishop with something worth saying but those days have gone of course.

    Muggeridge, as he entered painful senility, became more openly anti-semitic and wrote disdainful letters to the new editor of the country’s top satirical magazine, Private Eye. The point being that the magazine’s previous editor pursued a policy of hostility towards Britian’s Jewish elites which Muggeridge encouraged but saw abandoned under the new editorship.

    As you know MM ‘poped’ before the end and I am delighted to inform you that the previously mentioned former editor of Private Eye, Richard Ingrams is his name, also crossed the Tiber at the venerable age of 75.

  65. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 7, 2012 - 3:58 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    There is something interesting afoot here. As you say, the Fraser comments has been closed, while all expletives remain. Meanwhile, an unkind but ***** free comment I made to blue rose on the pagan festivals has disappeared!?? Makes me wonder.

  66. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    May 7, 2012 - 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Tax farming was a jewish occupation because of a lot of reasons not only Spain but places like Poland. Some reasons have been mentioned. There is another reason.

    By neceessity, tax collection almost always involve the tax-collector or the “Tax farmer” actually FINANCING the payment of tax, in the form of setting up a “payment plan” where they sovereign is either paid up front– and then payments with interest are owed to the tax farmer– or the payments are made to the sovereign with interest a la the IRS. But, the Catholic monarchs could not collect illicit interest from the peasants so they had the Jews collect the money, finance it with usurious loans to the tax debtors, and then the monarch would pocket the money. The tax farmer could make a cut not only on collection but finance.

    Soldiers in those days were probably illiterate. Factoring interest is beyond simple arithmetic, you have to know how to do it and have some practice to get it handled right. Plus they didnt have spreadsheets. They had kosher abacuses. LOL

    PS I think the Church ban on usury was righteous. Buy Santelli’s article on it in the CW dec 11 issue here http://www.culturewars.com/BackIssues/31.htm

  67. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    May 7, 2012 - 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Cheer up folks, Europe is sending the Eurocrats, the international bankers, and the Jews a not so subtle message today.

    http://xryshaygh.wordpress.com/

  68. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 7, 2012 - 4:36 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Just so. Wondering is good, Alice; wondering is good. It certainly beats the stuffing out of despairing, for which there is also ample justification hereabouts.

  69. Walter L's Gravatar Walter L
    May 7, 2012 - 4:40 pm | Permalink

    The king and other corrupt elites would have liked to use their soldiers to collect taxes, but soldiers are needed elsewhere, they cannot be policed, and may keep the money and become a threat.

    The Jews on the other hand have none of these negatives and the Jews paid the corrupt elites money in advance.

  70. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 7, 2012 - 4:49 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Indeed, one can become discouraged. However, I retain some hope. Thanks to your fine example, the discussion has improved around here. Since I know virtually nothing about either hermeneutics or exegesis I cannot comment on positions anyone took,( I really am a spirit of the law Christian, or try to be), but the tone was vastly improved. The vileness reminded me of some scene from The Exorcist. As a true Southerner, I celebrate our loonies, unless they become vulgar.

    On a separate note, to my shame, I have the devil’s own time with editing on this comments section. Do you know if it is possible to compose in another bit of software and then copy and paste here?

  71. chad's Gravatar chad
    May 7, 2012 - 5:02 pm | Permalink

    why must every story on this website end up with a bigoted anti christian rant by fender? the christians NEVER EVER start this. and no matter how many times fender is presented with the truth about the ridiculous nature of his posts, he just keeps saying the same things over and over.

    no sane person would attempt to drive away the great majority of the people that he is allied too. but jews would most definitely attempt to drive a wedge through the center of any awakening of the white race. so why does occidental observer allow the constant hatred of the likes of fender succeed in dividing and conquering the people who come here?

    if the enemies of the white race are masters of infiltration, then isn’t it obvious that they would have people sow discord on a site like this? who do they hate the most? white christians. who get’s attacked the most? white christians. it doesn’t matter if comments get closed on one story, they’ll just move to the next one and start up again.

  72. May 7, 2012 - 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Never before or since has there been such a succinct description:

    Contrary to what so many good people — out of sheer terror of ‘Communism’ — think, Capitalism is not ‘free enterprise,’ an incentive for success, ‘a chance for all.’ Capitalism is trusts, speculation, parasitical usury. Capitalism is J. P. Morgan, Rothschild’s bank, ripping apart the nations like maddened swine. Capitalism is the Jewish frying pan in which culture is rendered down to the grease of money. Following it, as the night to day, is the thrice hotter Jewish fire of ‘Communism.’

  73. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    May 7, 2012 - 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Netanyahu was therefore quite aware that Jews in medieval Spain were willing exploiters of the Spaniards in alliance with a corrupt Spanish aristocracy. I can’t resist pointing out the parallel to our current situation—that our new American elite is substantially composed of ethnically conscious Jews with a heavy sprinkling of corrupt Whites with no allegiance or loyalty to their own people—exactly the Jewish formula for success in traditional societies. These corrupt Whites are often very well compensated for their treason. Indeed, losing any sense of loyalty to one’s own people has become the ticket for success for Whites in America and throughout the West.

    History repeats itself I guess. With the US being founded as a nation of immigrants to begin with, I don’t see how a charge of ‘treason’ can even stick against the non-Jew White Elites. Their actions seem just the end result of universalist principles, upon which this country apparently was founded. How can one even talk of ‘loyalty to one’s own people’ in an immigrant nation, without appearing ‘racist’? I ask these questions only with irony.

    Consciousness and awareness grows over time, even for non-Jew White American Elites. Trying to deal with societal ills, well they’ve made all the wrong decisions and listened to the wrong people it seems, and it’s too late now. I’m not sure I see a way out. Just my opinion.

  74. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    May 7, 2012 - 5:28 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Jason, that line …

    In the end, religion has to be kept on an ethnically informed leash. If not, it becomes a weapon against legitimate White interests.

    Also stood out for me. In a nutshell, that is an “answer” to the “religious wars” that have been going on over Fraser’s recent two-part article. The bottom line has nothing to do with “pagan”, “Christian” or “CI” beliefs. The bottom line is …

    Are you pro-White, or are you pro White-Genocide.

    Arguing over mediating belief systems (wordisms) misses the point, completely.

  75. fender's Gravatar fender
    May 7, 2012 - 5:38 pm | Permalink

    @chad:

    Fine, I’ll do my best to never argue with Christians on here again. So instead I’ll leave off with this: if this movement turns into a Christian one, its DOA, plain and simple. You people are only Christians because that’s how you were raised. A person who was raised FIRST to be a WN would never, EVER voluntarily become a Christian because he would (correctly) see that almost EVERYTHING that’s gone wrong with the west- universal morality, obsession with equality, etc.- originally sprang from Christian and Judaic thought.

    This site was started by an evolutionary psychologist. Our struggle is an EVOLUTIONARY one. We are a race of people in a life and death struggle, and the semitic belief system of Christianity only confuses, weakens, and divides us. These threads should be proof of that. Christianity is the past, science, empiricism, and genetics are the future. You people want to fight a modern war using outdated weapons, and Christianity is an outdated weapon.

    But by all means, continue reading your scriptures, arguing over who yaweh’s precious chosen people are, and whining about “sin” and “immorality.” Meanwhile the jews will be eugenically breeding themselves to be smarter and healthier because they know what benefits science and genetics give them, while you fools continue to ponder 2,000-year-old superstitions. What sad people you are. I’m done here. The Christians have taken over and nuetered us once again. Hitler was right about Christianity being the heaviest blow struck against us. It makes sense, since defeating Hitler was the Christian thing to do, right?

  76. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    May 7, 2012 - 5:59 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    This site was started by an evolutionary psychologist
    and a Catholic!

    I suspect most ‘believers’ on here know that one day a robust response might be required to our problems. This might manifest itself in spontaneous eruptions if the economies completely collapse, for example. What we don’t trust is atheists in control in the aftermath. A totally practical consideration in my view.

  77. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    May 7, 2012 - 6:09 pm | Permalink

    If the economies completely collapse, it will just go into martial law. There’s continuity of government. They (the government) had that all planned out long ago, that the government should survive.

  78. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    May 7, 2012 - 6:12 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Regarding Orthodox Christianity, and its emphasis on reflecting local ethnic interests rather than wild and crazy universalism, you can do no better than have a listen to Fr. Matthew Raphael Johnson over at Voice of Reason. Here is a link to his archived files, and show times every Thursday …

    http://reasonradionetwork.com/category/programs/the-orthodox-nationalist

    From what I’ve learned of the Orthodox Church, they intentionally tailor the “Universals” of Christian belief to the local conditions, local peoples, culture and language … rather than impose a “one-size-fits-all” kind of structure.

    Matt Johnson is a brilliant thinker. Even if you’re not considering Orthodoxy for yourself, his show is a university education in itself. I particularly enjoyed his discussion of Martin Heidegger’s work “Building Dwelling Thinking”, which was what stimulated my intense interest in this giant of a Thinker, one of OURS.

  79. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    May 7, 2012 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

    >>>On a separate note, to my shame, I have the devil’s own time with editing on this comments section. Do you know if it is possible to compose in another bit of software and then copy and paste here?<<<

    With W7 use note pad. A long post can be saved every minute or two- if you hit the wrong button all will not be lost.

  80. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 7, 2012 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

    For the record I am not in favor of excluding people based on religion or lack thereof. I only ask that we stop insulting each other. An opinion is not proof. If offered a reasoned argument, either refute it or admit you can’t.

    Please, we need all of our folk on our side. Religious differences should not divide us at this point. When we win against the real opponents we can begin bickering among ourselves.

    It would be wonderful if some of our best and brightest began to compose a statement of purpose. If we can not agree on anything but the Jews we will get no where. There is a lot at stake here. Try to act like white folks.

  81. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 7, 2012 - 6:24 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza:
    Thanks, I’ll give it a try.

  82. chad's Gravatar chad
    May 7, 2012 - 6:25 pm | Permalink

    hey fender, my mom died when i was a little kid, so i was raised by my dad. my dad is an atheist. which blows another one of your well thought theories out of the water. neither me or my brother were raised to be christian, though we both are. we would die for our atheist father, and he would die for his christian sons. ahh.. what fools we are.

  83. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    May 7, 2012 - 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Also look for Notepad++

  84. chad's Gravatar chad
    May 7, 2012 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    @Edward: thanks for pointing out isabella of spain the last crusader, it looks like a great book. i wishlisted it on amazon, but man they want like 48 bucks just for the paperback copy.

    and gregor thanks for that link to reason radio network, i’d never heard of it but i’ve bookmarked it. i’ll give it a listen.

  85. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 7, 2012 - 6:53 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I second both of TabuLa Raza’s suggestions. I myself compose mostly in Word, but if you try doing likewise, you have to remember to use the angle-bracketed formatting coding provided at this site. Italic and boldface type in Word does not paste unchanged into the comment box here, nor does blockquoted text of course, although virtually all letters with diacritics do. Paragraphing is retained, too.

  86. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    May 7, 2012 - 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Call me crazy but i just wouldn’t trust an anti-christian WN to turn away David de Rothchild or Natalie Portman if they came knocking. On what doctrine would they find a basis to do so (since they probably have more Aryan genes then Adolph)?
    So unless culture/ethnicity/logos become intertwined like the first Crusaders, there won’t be a real resistance i suspect.

  87. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    May 7, 2012 - 6:57 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    ” … With the US being founded as a nation of immigrants to begin with…”

    Blue rose, I’m not sure if the “US” was founded as a “nation of immigrants”, if one takes that “founding” to be the constitution, and that bit in the beginning about “ourselves and our posterity”.

    That “Nation of Immigrants” bit was appended much later, by the likes of Emma Lazarus, Israel Zangwill, and similar. These types actually “re-branded” the idea of what the United States was about, and who it was founded for.

    That said, I will acknowledge that many of these “Founding Fathers” were self-indulgent in over-the-top Universalisms. I suppose when they had a whole continent open for exploration and exploitation, they figured they’d never have those universals come back to bite them. Now we have to deal with their errors.

  88. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    May 7, 2012 - 7:05 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Alice, you asked about a “statement of purpose”. At the top of every page on TOO there is a link to the Mission Statement of TOO, written by it’s founder. Hope that helps.

  89. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    May 7, 2012 - 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Usury is meaningless. The correct way to view this problem is- was fraud committed? Loaning out fake gold warehouse receipts (fractional reserve) is fraud as the gold isn’t there. Today’s fractional system is trickier to analyze as there are no promises to pay gold (or silver) in the first place.

    There can be a problem in that the borrower does not know just how much they are paying. Since the seventies car loans, for example, must show just how much the borrower will pay back in both principal and interest. This must be on the front page of the contract in bold print (I think). A good idea. Any lender trying to disguise actual loan costs might face a judge’s ruling that the loan is forgiven and the borrower owes no money!

    These fractional systems (loans from nothing) have been aided and abetted by the State. This is not capitalism, as such arrangements do not exist under laissez-faire. The Federal Reserve Act is mixed-economy fascio-corporatio- that is, it is an example of Statism. And statism is opposite to capitalism.
    All we need is competing monies to solve these problems. All economic legislation must be banned.

  90. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 7, 2012 - 7:23 pm | Permalink

    @chad: This is my third attempt to get this comment posted. Try the Bookfinder site, chad. I just looked there, and quite a few copies of Walsh’s Isabella, some of them in VG condition, can be had for about twenty bucks.

  91. chad's Gravatar chad
    May 7, 2012 - 7:27 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: much obliged for that, you just saved me a bundle.

  92. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    May 7, 2012 - 7:32 pm | Permalink

    That said, I will acknowledge that many of these “Founding Fathers” were self-indulgent in over-the-top Universalisms.

    The Naturalization Act of 1790 said the country was open to free White persons.

    (Word Pad in another option)

  93. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    May 7, 2012 - 7:44 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Perhaps the atheists on here have a point and Christians should quit this project. It seems that too many of us (especially the Catholics) are just disgruntled because we have seen our once great culture dismantled.

    In WWII the USA, in particular, murdered many innocent ethnic Germans and Japanese. Perhaps the most spiritual/religious response is to see the present state of affairs as pay back for those crimes. Leaving the way clear for atheists to say and do as they please.

  94. May 7, 2012 - 7:45 pm | Permalink

    blue rose (May 7, 2012 – 5:24 pm) said, in part, “With the US being founded as a nation of immigrants to begin with…”

    This is a common understanding promoted by Latino & Jewish spokespersons, but it isn’t accurate as a general statement. At the time of the English settlers in North America, they were simply migrating within the territories governed by the British government from the first Virginia and Massachusetts settlements in the early 1600s until 1776 and independence. That’s at least a century and a half of internal national settlement, not immigration into a new country.

    Dutch settlers in New Amsterdam (now New York) settled in territory controlled by the Dutch government.

    Same for the French settlers in French-controlled territories.

    The English, Dutch, and French settlers were merely internal migrants from one area of their country to another area.

    This is a distinction that we need to keep in mind, whether it will come in handy in debates or not. The great bulk of persons with European roots in 1776 were not immigrants at all.

  95. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 7, 2012 - 8:01 pm | Permalink

    @buckle: I like to think of Bomber Harris and Curtis LeMay in Hell, condemned to blow each other up time and again, per omnia saecula saeculorum.

    Otherwise, the suggestion that we are enduring blowback or payback for the crimes you mention, and many others besides, is not hard to entertain, even though there, too, the guilt of the Tribe makes that of even the most criminal whites take second place.

  96. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    May 7, 2012 - 8:05 pm | Permalink

    @Edward: “Are you more anti-Christian than pro-White? ”

    This is a question that deserves an answer. If only to help describe the parameters of the argument.

    I’m not ready to offer up an answer to this question just yet. I don’t know enough about what’s “anti-Christian” or “pro-White” to do that.

    But I’m going to find out, thanks to your comment.

  97. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    May 7, 2012 - 8:28 pm | Permalink

    @Immigration vs Migration:

    Thanks for sorting it out for me. It’s always been a jumble in my head, not caring much for the US nor its history in the past, let alone that originally there were three different governments that had a piece of it. And so there was migration originally, not immigration. OK that makes sense. I did a wiki and glanced at the history of immigration for the overall. Thanks.

    @ Gregor -

    Emma Lazarus. You mean her poem ‘The New Colossus’ that was engraved on a bronze plaque in the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty placed in 1903, as I read at wiki? SHE is the originator of the words which is part of the poem:

    ‘With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    A Sephardic Jew? I turn around and am faced with a Jew once again. They couldn’t have found a GENTILE to write a poem for the Statue of Liberty??? I think I’m going to be sick. Oy vey.

  98. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    May 7, 2012 - 8:33 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Fine, I’ll do my best to never argue with Christians on here again.

    I do not want to let you get away that easy. (My only request was for atheists to stop recycling demonstrably false Jewish talking points.)

    You keep suggesting that Christianity has run its course and should be replaced. With what?

  99. fender's Gravatar fender
    May 7, 2012 - 9:34 pm | Permalink

    @Edward:

    “You keep suggesting that Christianity has run its course and should be replaced. With what?”

    With what we were heading towards in the 1910s and 20s, before the madness of the following decade: scientifically-driven, racially homogeneous, eugenic societies.

    Cultural marxism, neoconservatism, and yes, resurgent Christianity did away with all this. This is why you have dumb, uneducated Christians who are against things like stem cell research. They’re being backed by the jews behind marxism and the neocon movement.

    One cannot serve two masters. You cannot be both a White nationalist and an active Christian (I’m technically a Christian since I was raised catholic). They are mutually exclusive ideologies.

  100. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 7, 2012 - 9:43 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor:

    Thanks for the link. I just listened to a bit, will listen more later. But I do have a problem with most of the anti-modernist stuff I hear. Most of it seems anti-science, anti-technology, and anti-market. I don’t see how we can live as White men without those things. Beyond that, isn’t it futile to try and put that genie back in the bottle? No one is going to choose to go live in a German Medieval village. I want science, electricity, space travel, and air conditioning. Where am I going wrong?

  101. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    May 7, 2012 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor:

    That “Nation of Immigrants” bit was appended much later, by the likes of Emma Lazarus, Israel Zangwill, and similar. These types actually “re-branded” the idea of what the United States was about, and who it was founded for.

    I don’t understand how this was allowed to be done, with Lazarus and her poem. You are so right — she did “re-brand” the idea of what the US was about.

    In her Colossus poem, she refers to the statue of liberty as the ‘Lady of Exiles’, and in one line has the unmitigated gaul to say:

    “Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she

    With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, blah blah blah ”

    And here the US was architecturally Greco-Roman and based on Greco-Roman ideas no less. I suppose there is an entire story that can be written (if it hasn’t already) behind the names of those who promoted Emma Lasarus and her sleight-of-hand poem. It’s sickening to think of.

    In all honesty, any classical Greek ode to a goddess or any classical Greek poem could have been found to fit the occasion. As it is, perhaps we can date the day the Jews formally took over the USA was in 1903 at the inauguration of that plaque.

  102. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 7, 2012 - 10:00 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    I am a white Christian who is neither dumb nor uneducated. I oppose stem-cell research on a gut level _ WE DO NOT EAT OUR OWN YOUNG!

  103. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 7, 2012 - 10:04 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    Part of how this was done, is that it was done slowly. People did not think of us as a nation of immigrants just because that statute was put up. Or I should say it didn’t happen immediately – it took many years of slow, driven propaganda to drive that talking point home. Such things never get put up to a vote, they just become slowly excepted more and more as the generations go by, with resistance slowly overcome, because most people did not know what the game was.

    That’s why it’s essential that we educate most Whites that there is an anti-White agenda afoot. Most Whites are utterly clueless that there is even an anti-White agenda out there.

  104. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 7, 2012 - 10:05 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    Precisely what tenet of Christianity makes it mutually exclusive with WN?

  105. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 7, 2012 - 10:09 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor:
    Thanks, it is a great place to start the conversation. Anything to stop aiming at each.

  106. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    May 7, 2012 - 10:20 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Christianity is in its purest form universalist and evangelical, that’s what set it apart from Judaism. Of course this doesn’t mean that it is necessarily at odds with ethnic nationalism in all situations, as seen in the case study of Spain, which instituted the limpieza de sangre laws at home and tried (mostly futilely) to prevent too much admixture in its colonies with caste laws.

  107. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 7, 2012 - 10:41 pm | Permalink

    @Marcus:
    I do not understand why the religious concept of universalism, defined as the concept that we are all equal in the eyes of God precludes any premise of WN. (Few Christians hold that all will be reconciled to God.)

    We have ancient traditions regarding acceptable marriage partners. I have known Irish Catholic and Italian Catholic families to object to a “mixed” marriage. My own parents were Catholic and Protestant and I can assure you neither family was pleased, nor pretended they were.

    If we insist on this endless argument, let us all define our terms and have at it. Endless unsubstantiated assertions are useless.

  108. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 7, 2012 - 10:48 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Thanks, I think I can live with the shortcomings. Better to be typo free before I put things in boldface. I always wondered how you managed so well.

    I’m glad to see you here. I feared you were well and truly fed up. Are you winding up in moderation as frequently as I? Seems sudden.

  109. Ritchard's Gravatar Ritchard
    May 7, 2012 - 11:01 pm | Permalink

    @Heather Blue: Very well put, I have always thought and said that if we would police our own ranks there would not be a Jewish problem. Without cooperation they are defanged; provided we out number them and their lackeys. Times is running out.

  110. chad's Gravatar chad
    May 7, 2012 - 11:07 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: man thanks for that bookfinders site, i just ordered a copy of that book for thirty dollars less than amazon was going to gut me for. granted it’s not in pristine condition, but i just want to read it, not hang it on the wall.

  111. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    May 7, 2012 - 11:24 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza: Totally agree, though I grant that theorization about money and interest is something that has confounded great minds in the past (including – in good faith – many Christian scholars, as per Panina’s comment, above).

    Parenthetically, have you ever read Hülsmann’s A Theory of Interest? http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae5_4_7.pdf
    It’s my favourite on this most complex of subjects.

  112. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 7, 2012 - 11:44 pm | Permalink

    @chad: You’re welcome. I agree: so long as a book doesn’t fall apart in your hands, its condition takes second place to what’s on the pages.

  113. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 7, 2012 - 11:58 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    One cannot serve two masters.… White nationalist and … active Christian … are mutually exclusive ideologies.

    You seem to have forgotten that His kingdom is not of this world. Unless your vision of a white nation or homeland involves mass murder or indefinite incarceration of Jews, blacks, and others whose presence we could do without, you are overstating your case.

  114. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 8, 2012 - 12:02 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Moderation is seldom a problem lately. I’m becoming more careful about the use, even ironically, of certain bell-ringing words. As Trenchant drolly suggested elsewhere and apropos another matter, sticking with homeopathic levels is the way to proceed.

  115. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    May 8, 2012 - 12:05 am | Permalink

    @fender: “You cannot be both a White nationalist and an active Christian”

    Taxation, without which there would be no forced association or ethnic cross-subsidization, is covered by the Decalogue (stealing). No one can dictate charity, by definition.

  116. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    May 8, 2012 - 12:19 am | Permalink

    @Heather Blue: Jews haven’t been the only ones angling for a central bank, as the Andrew Jackson/Nicholas Biddle feud shows.

  117. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    May 8, 2012 - 12:53 am | Permalink

    Trenchant- Some Austrian challenged the idea that interest is the time value of money. (Which would you rather have, $100 today or $110 a year from now?) Maybe Hulsmann. He claims that interest is the tension between ends and means. I could not follow the argument.

    Interest is a price like any other, determined by supply and demand. THEREFORE THE BORROWER DETERMINES THE RATE OF INTEREST JUST AS MUCH AS THE LENDER DOES. Interest is the time value of money. AFAIK.

    We must move away from the view that only banker-wankers can loan. Anyone can loan. You can get get together with family or neighbors, form a partnership or consortium, and loan to your heart’s content. In a free economy, with no entry barriers, anyone can open a “bank” by hanging up a shingle! All governed by laws of contract, which bar fraud.

    We know that special interests hide behind regulation. That is why we want no regulation! The economy was cartelized in the FDR era by jew Gerard Swope, CEO of General Electrick. It was the Swope Plan:

    Appendix A The Swope Plan

    1. All industrial and commercial companies (including subsidiaries) with 50 or more employees, and doing an interstate business, may form a trade association which shall be under the supervision of a federal body referred to later.

    2. These trade associations may outline trade practices, business ethics, methods of standard accounting and cost practice, standard forms of balance sheet and earnings statement, etc., and may collect and distribute information on volume of business transacted, inventories of merchandise on hand, simplification and standardization of products, stabilization of prices, and all matters which may arise from time to time relating to the growth and development of industry and commerce in order to promote stabilization of employment and give the best service to the public. Much of this sort of exchange of information and data is already being carried on by trade associations now in existence. A great deal more valuable work of this character is possible.

    3. The public interest shall be protected by the supervision of companies and trade associations by the Federal Trade Commission or by a bureau of the Department of Commerce or by some federal supervisory body specially constituted.

    http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-fdr-app-a.html

    Look for FRAUD rather than “Usury.” De-regulation is bad, NO regulation is good! Yes I said it. NO regulation- to keep the special interests out of money! Business hates capitalism!! Yes it is totally true!! They get their ways through regulation. We have the Corporate State not capitalism!! Anyone saying we have capitalism now is a dork, a ringer, a liar, or insane! Or illiterate!!

  118. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    May 8, 2012 - 1:32 am | Permalink

    @blue rose:
    She corrupted the Statue and its meaning…….
    She twisted it to ‘mean’ immigration.
    She was a lefty -zionist [so what else is new woody?] who wanted a white-jewish zion, and a multi cult America.

  119. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    May 8, 2012 - 1:34 am | Permalink

    @Gregor:
    Even the play ‘The Melting Pot’ [or the term] is of jew origin.

  120. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 8, 2012 - 1:58 am | Permalink

    „With what we were heading towards in the 1910s and 20s, before the madness of the following decade: scientifically-driven, racially homogeneous, eugenic societies.“
    Exactly, an amoral society that is feeding on the weak and has its own destruction built in. This is your goal. The way of the Marquis. The logical conclusion of rebellion against God. Redefining hell as heaven. Does not work. Because vicious monsters like the Marquis are an abominations that get spat out by nature. The destruction of your glorious decades came not from outside. It was the culmination of a culture having lost its God and faith and is now decaying from within for a number of causes, all connected, all proceeding from what we can call an auto toxic condition. We say that an organism has become auto toxic when it is beginning to poison itself, when it loses vigor in its vital processes and accumulates secretions which continually lessen its energies driven by a science, that is making your life longer and longer and takes all sense out of it. The atheists believes that the auto toxic secretions come from Christianity, which just needs to be destroyed, so we can all be happy Übermenschen. Don`t works, because Christianity just tells you the law of nature, you cannot escape. Thats why sodomites and aborting women have a significant higher tendency towards depression, self-destruction and suicide even in a society that celebrates sodomy and abortion.

  121. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    May 8, 2012 - 3:00 am | Permalink

    @blue rose: Correction, Sister Blue Rose: America was NOT a nation of ‘immigrants’, if by that one means immigrants from every corner of the world. It was a nation that was founded and settled by White men and White women who all traced their lineage to Europe.

    In fact, our Founding Fathers quite often made this point in their personal and public writings. Such as John Jay, in Federalist Paper #2, when he wrote:

    “With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people — a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.

    This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient for a band of brethren, united to each other by the strongest ties, should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous, and alien sovereignties.”

    The Founding Fathers never intended for this land, i.e., North America – to be turned into a multicultural, multiracial cesspool. They intended it to be a homeland for White European people and their progeny. In addition, the presence of the African Negro within our young nation was the subject of considerable discussion and concern within the ranks of our nation’s leadership, and those with the foresight to see the long term consequences, often put these fears and thoughts to paper.

    So, I make a concerted effort to pounce on any liberal or neo-con who spews that garbage about America being a ‘nation of immigrants’ – and I remind these numbskulls that we were meant to be a nation of European (white) immigrants. Different nationalities of Europe, but we all were of the same basic race – and that was the reason the ‘melting pot’ worked as well as it did. Injecting non-White races into our nation is what has broken the melting pot principle.

    Consider this point. American Indians and blacks are two non-white races who’ve been in North America the longest, right? Have either of these two groups assimilated and turned into models of European man kind?

    Answer: No. And, nor should the White majority expect them to, because each is a completely different species. And this is why they are incompatible with the concepts of White Western civilization.

    And, this is also why the jews were so obsessed with changing our immigration laws back in 1965. They hated White Western civilization and wanted to destroy it, and they knew that the best way to achieve that objective was to shut down immigration from our traditional sources (Europe) and open up the flood gates from the non-White third world.

  122. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    May 8, 2012 - 3:06 am | Permalink

    @Anonymous: You asked when the documentary was. A few years ago even that venerable old anti-Christ, the BBC, came out with a documentary that said the tales of the Inquisition were greatly exaggerated. I listened to the tape I mentioned and right at the beginning she said that the BBC documentary came out on November 6th, 1994.

  123. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    May 8, 2012 - 3:28 am | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza: Agreed. As you say, interest is perfectly legitimate; the bird in the hand is almost always worth two in the bush, or the same bird one year hence, but this is not satisfactory for a theorem, and hence Hülsmann’s filling of the lacuna in the Austrian framework. No big deal.

  124. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 8, 2012 - 5:18 am | Permalink

    And fender, to give you a taste of the future, the real future: Maybe some of you have heard about the Legion St. Michael, this brave Romanian soldiers and martyrs of Christ, who fought alongside the Germans against the two headed dragon (The Germans already corrupted by the dragon, but that´s another story.)
    „You Romanian Legionnaires are so marvelous persons and full blaze fighters, how can you just believe in this crucified Jew?“, Hit+lers former aide Günsche asked his fellow prisoner Raiiu, who replied: „Every farmer, every worker in Romania believes in Christ and we Legionnaires believe only stronger!“
    Today in the Banat/Rumania the Legion is build up again. The contemporary Legionnaire is usually older than 75 or younger than 35. The grandfather hands the torch over to his grandson or even his great grandson. One corrupt generation is just skipped. And the motto of this old/new Legion you will like, fender: „WE HAVE NO NOSTALGIA FOR THE 20ths, WE WANT GO BACK INTO THE MIDDLE AGES!
    That is the spirit. There is a fire burning, that never got extinguished. A fire, I hope that will burn one time in you, when you join the soldiers of the Lamb, the Christ and tame the lions and your eternal soul is embraced by God.

  125. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 8, 2012 - 5:45 am | Permalink

    @Wolfgang Star:

    It’s not my conversation, but I am confused by what is meant by “go back to the Middle Ages”. I get the sense a few posters would here would like that. What does that mean? Can you give me a concrete example? Does it mean to literally go back to a pre-scientific mode of existence? Does it mean getting rid of most technology invented since the 1700s? Or would all that be kept and some kind of hybrid society formed?

  126. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    May 8, 2012 - 6:10 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    “Back to the Middle Ages” probably means back to the mentality of the Middle Ages, which must be not too difficult for Romanian peasants, I suppose.

  127. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 8, 2012 - 6:13 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: „Does it mean to literally go back to a pre-scientific mode of existence?“
    No, of cause not. Would not be possible. And this motto: „WE HAVE NO NOSTALGIA FOR THE 20ths, WE WANT GO BACK INTO THE MIDDLE AGES!“ is used by the Legion and by me as wonderful provocative and teasing. But on a meta-level it has truth in it. In the way our society is structured we go already back. And in going back, there are two choices. There is the way of the powers there are, which is the way into a pagan social system in which slavery is everywhere, in which the whole structure of society rests upon the institution of slavery. With the loss of the Faith we return to that institution. „The two forms of slavery which are gradually appearing and will as time goes on be more and more matured under the effect of the modern attack upon the Faith, are slavery to the State and slavery to private corporations and individuals.“ (Hilaire Belloc)
    The other way is what is meant by Middle Ages. A society of free men, defended by a warrior class under the authority of the Church.

  128. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 8, 2012 - 6:22 am | Permalink

    I know, this is heavy stuff for Americans. But sorry, when I leave my office and go home I do that in the shadow of the towers of a 800 year old Cathedral piercing the sky. The Middle Ages are for me something still palpable and not an abomination out of the textbook of the revolutionary jew. Franklyn is right, on a mentality level I really yearn for the Middle Ages.

  129. observerx's Gravatar observerx
    May 8, 2012 - 8:07 am | Permalink

    One has only to read a Spanish chronicler from that time to learn how Jewry operates. His observations are valid for that time, for before that time, and now. I don’t have the time to translate it, but here it goes:

    [quote]Estaban heredados en Castilla e plantados en las mejores ciudades e villas e logares, e en las tierras más gruesas e de mejores extremos, e por la mayor parte moravan en las tierras de los señoríos. E todos eran mercaderes e vendedores e arrendadores de alcalabas e rentas de achaques, e fazedores de señores, e oficiales, tondidores, sastres, zapateros e cortidores, e zurradores, texedores, especieros, buhoneros, sederos, herreros, plateros e de otros semejantes oficios; que ninguno rompía la tierra ni era labrador ni carpintero ni albañil, sino todos buscaban oficios holgados, e modos de ganar con poco trabajo… E eran gente muy sotil, e gente que bivia comunmente de muchos logros e usuras con los cristianos, e en poco tiempo muchos pobres dellos eran ricos[/quote]
    Andrés Bernáldez

    Benzion Netanyahu tried to dismiss what he said, but it is a valid assessment of Spanish Jewry. The work of Benzion Netanyahu is worth reading though, and I was particularly fascinated how Jews made the position of “Contador Mayor” (Chairman of the Royal Treasure) a monopoly much like they do with the FED today.

  130. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    May 8, 2012 - 9:11 am | Permalink

    @Wolfgang Star:

    I know what you mean. When I was in Italy I was STEEPED in the past, its mysticism and alchemy all around me displayed in its grand stone architecture, dazzling lush carvings inside and outside. I never wanted to come back to this ghastly country called the USA. I preferred the past.

    When I’m in a pensive mood, i always watch this video. I love to meditate upon the vistas, the large stone bell, the outdoor walkways, and inside, the dazzling beauty inside the Vatican

    Gregorian – Nothing Else Matters

  131. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    May 8, 2012 - 9:15 am | Permalink

    Ooops sorry. The Gregorian video was shot at the From Santiago de Compostela.

  132. fender's Gravatar fender
    May 8, 2012 - 10:03 am | Permalink

    @Wolfgang Star:

    I would not be opposed to a movement like the Romanian one you just described. I assume these guys’ hero is Codreanu, right? I need to get around to reading his stuff.

    I would not be opposed to a kind of “muscular Christianity.” i.e. a Christianity in service to Europeans, as opposed to the other way around. As much as I disagree with the tenets of Christianity intellectually, if it does somehow emerge as the catalyst for some kind of European revolution, I would not oppose that.

  133. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    May 8, 2012 - 10:21 am | Permalink

    @chad:
    Correction: William Thomas Walsh records there were 17 (not just 12) Jews and conversos tried, convicted, and burned for the human sacrifice of a Christian child.

    Here is a complaint against Walsh for “blood libel” by Cecil Roth: http://www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/Roth_letter_to_Walsh.htm

    Did Walsh beg forgiveness according to the modern custom? No, here is his devastating reply: http://www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/Walsh_letter_to_Roth.htm

    According to the testimony in Walsh’s book, the human sacrifice was an actual black-magic spell cast upon Christians to render them weak and confused in preparation for a Jewish takeover. Is that not what happened in our time?

  134. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    May 8, 2012 - 10:37 am | Permalink

    Netanyahu has confirmed what I’d long suspected: That Jews were tax farmers in medieveal Spain. So, when Rodrigo, Juan and Hernando decided to lynch Mordechai, Pinchas or Shlomo, it probably wasn’t because they were Jews, but because they were taxmen who had taken the goats or the cows and left them to starve, indifferent to the peasants’ plight because their holy books and holy men had told them that though goyim had the bodies of men, they had only the souls of animals.

    In how many other medieveal countries were similar acts of violence committed against Jewish tax collectors, not because they were Jews but because they were tax collectors? I doubt Rodrigo, Juan or Hernando could read, so in the main, a man’s belief was largely immaterial to them. The important thing was he was here to rob them and steal the chickens and goats, and that is what mattered.

    Much of what have been historically classified as anti-semitic acts probably have less to do with the Jewishness of the “victim” and more with his anti-social and unethical behaviour.

  135. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    May 8, 2012 - 10:44 am | Permalink

    @Felix:
    The reason that a prohibition against anti-semitism is enforced is to enable Jews to harm others with impunity.

  136. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 8, 2012 - 10:59 am | Permalink

    @ fender: “I would not be opposed to a movement like the Romanian one you just described.”
    Dann ist ja gut. Yes, Corneliu Zelea CODREANU, strangled in the woods of Tancabesti. Take this as introduction to this hero and martyr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBwIou9nMn4
    You will probably also not be opposed to Franco, gran hijo de la Iglesia and enjoy this video:

  137. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    May 8, 2012 - 11:02 am | Permalink

    @Felix:

    Much of what have been historically classified as anti-semitic acts probably have less to do with the jewishness of the “victim” and more with his anti-social and unethical behaviour.

    But his anti-social and unethical behaviour is his jewishness!
    It is not a matter of accidental but of characteristic misbehaviour.

  138. fender's Gravatar fender
    May 8, 2012 - 11:10 am | Permalink

    @Wolfgang Star:

    I admire both Codreanu and Franco, but I like Yukio Mishima the best. A brilliant writer and a brave nationalist.

  139. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    May 8, 2012 - 11:20 am | Permalink

    Could “anti-semitism” in reality just be a native people taking back their country from foreign occupiers? The Jews WANT to be a people set apart. Their “religion” is founded on keeping themselves separate. They want to be in every country but of NO country, (except now Israel). Therefore, why shouldn’t the citizens of the country in which they’re currently residing suspect their loyalty? Their religion teaches them that they’re better than everyone else and that goyim exist for their benefit. If one’s neighbour, hypothetically, subscribed to a movement that condoned anti-social and exploitive behaviour of non-members, it would be naive to completely trust that neighbour. So, if, in reality, one has a neighbour who does belong to a movement or religion that has historically condoned anti-social and exploitive behaviour, it make sense not to fully trust him.

  140. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    May 8, 2012 - 11:48 am | Permalink

    @fender:

    With what we were heading towards in the 1910s and 20s, before the madness of the following decade: scientifically-driven, racially homogeneous, eugenic societies.

    The European inter-war restorationist movements were built largely upon the continuation or restoration of the large, traditional family. See “Mein Kampf” and then see “The Mass Psychology of Fascism” (by the Jewish Wilhelm Reich).

    At the core of the large family is the non-feminist wife and mother making sacrifices, along with her husband, for the continuation of the race. Such women in the West have always been heavily dependent upon the Christian faith. What could possibly replace Christianity in this regard? Atheism or neo-paganism? These novel creeds inevitably result in selfishness and feminism. Islam or Freemasonic Mormanism? These might work for having babies, but how would they or any other possible replacement be an improvement over traditional Christianity?

    Even the leaders in Romania, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Croatia, Vichy France, and perhaps Italy were Christian. Despite Allied propaganda reports, the leadership in Germany was outwardly pro-Christian.

  141. John Rennick's Gravatar John Rennick
    May 8, 2012 - 12:57 pm | Permalink

    “Alice, you asked about a “statement of purpose”. At the top of every page on TOO there is a link to the Mission Statement of TOO, written by it’s founder. Hope that helps.”

    That statement of purpose applies to this site only and is inadequate for the WN cause as a whole.

    Several all-encompassing “statements of purpose” have already been written and exist on the Internet.

  142. Dr. Faust's Gravatar Dr. Faust
    May 8, 2012 - 1:05 pm | Permalink

    @Felix: Yes–this is Kevin MacDonald’s main point in his Judaism trilogy–that “anti-semitism” is a rational response of the host group to diaspora Jewish group evolutionary strategies.

  143. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 8, 2012 - 1:08 pm | Permalink

    @Edward:
    Great links, thanks.

  144. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 8, 2012 - 1:43 pm | Permalink

    @Felix:

    “their holy books and holy men had told them that though goyim had the bodies of men, they had only the souls of animals.”

    Felix, do you have an authoritative, unbiased source for this information?

  145. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 8, 2012 - 2:35 pm | Permalink

    @Anonymous:
    I do not have a reference close to hand, but this will give you a starting point for your own investigation. Hope this helps.

    http://forward.com/articles/7311/charedi-rabbis-rush-to-disavow-anti-gentile-book/

  146. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 8, 2012 - 2:53 pm | Permalink

    @Edward: I thank you for these links from the bottom of my heart. I am not sure whether Walsh’s eloquence, courage, or marshaling of the evidence impresses me the most. What I do know, however, is that, as I read, tears came to my eyes on several occasions. Would to God that the West and the Faith had such a champion today.

    Alas, I have yet to read Roth’s filthy lies. Oh well, into every life a little rain must fall.

  147. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    May 8, 2012 - 3:01 pm | Permalink

    @Anonymous:

    Felix, do you have an authoritative, unbiased source for this information?

    Michael A. Hoffman may not necessarily be a strictly unbiased source, as he is traditional Catholic, but he knows the Jewish mindset inside out, and has spent decades studying them and written books.

    The Truth About the Talmud

    Truth about the Talmud: Racist, Rabbinic Hate Literature

    by Michael Hoffman, foremost scholar of Judaism in the English-speaking world

  148. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 8, 2012 - 3:08 pm | Permalink

    @Felix:
    I have always found it interesting to look at the history of antisemitism. The problem is always the same, and in different periods of history the prevailing philosophy tried to provide the answer everyone asks : What is wrong with these people?

    The Romans said it was because they stiff-necked. In the Pax Romana, they would not accept that they did not rule the world, did not have the right to live and be judged by different standards then other who must submit to the consequences of conquest.

    In Christian Europe, the explanation was religious. Clearly, they did and do reject Christ, reject Goodness.

    In America, we were persuaded to believe that it was entirely a matter of culture and oppression which had deformed a once noble people. We had our own ideas about those bossy, elder brothers in Europe, and counted ourselves blessed to be out from under their thumbs. Might work for the Jews too.

    Now the evolutionary scientists give us a different explanation. To be honest, all explanations make sense to me, but the problem remains. As others have said, how odd of God to choose the Jews.

  149. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 8, 2012 - 3:25 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: If Anonymous is truly interested in verifying further the accuracy of these (absolutely undeniable) claims, he might follow a reading of your linked article—how extraordinarily surprising that the New York Times didn’t pick up this story and blazon it on the front page!—with an hour or two at either of Michael Hoffman’s websites: On the Contrary and Truth about the Talmud.

    Nowadays, when the information explosion afforded by the Internet has made it possible to get at the truth with the barest minimum of effort, there is a curious contradiction in the fact that fewer and fewer people seem willing, even when taken gently by the hand, to step toward the light.

  150. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    May 8, 2012 - 4:02 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller & Blue Rose: Thanks. Those are some of the better sources. My favorite was when, less than a year ago, the spiritual head of the Shas Party explained that God created gentiles because he wanted Jews to be waited upon by animals that looked like humans.

    (And this is what we’re supporting when we send our tax dollars to Israel?)

  151. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    May 8, 2012 - 4:09 pm | Permalink

    @chad:

    “I agree completely”

    Me too

  152. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 8, 2012 - 4:28 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I thought I just missed that addition of the Times! In fairness, I cannot fault those who are just beginning to wake up. It took me a very long time and a lot of reading to take it all in. Perhaps it is a good thing that we are naturally repulsed by the monstrous. I wish I could claim that my conversion was entirely intellectual, but in my search for the truth I had to read so many books written by and for Jews, and histories of the Jews that I often became affected by the sheer darkness of the world view they hold. This may have had more to do with my decision than the facts themselves. It is so unrelentingly ugly.

  153. I love my peoople's Gravatar I love my peoople
    May 8, 2012 - 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Notice that with a cultural trait such as religious preference (where you have a choice), the government allows you the right to selectively aggregate & exclude. i.e., Jews have a right not to admit Muslims or Mormons into their temples and ceremonies.

    However, with a natural, biological trait, which cannot be altered, such as race, our government outlaws selective aggregation & exclusion. i.e., you are not allowed to have a “White” organization. Note of course that you can have a Black or Asian organization that excludes Whites, but not the reverse.

    So we are allowed to segregate according to “cultural” criteria, but not biological criteria

  154. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    May 8, 2012 - 4:40 pm | Permalink

    @I love my peoople:

    Now tell us something we don’t already know.

  155. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 8, 2012 - 5:11 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I expressed myself poorly. I do not necessarily attribute blindness to an unwillingness to see straight—it is doubtless the case quite often, however—so much as I note the phenomenon of reluctance, a phenomenon rooted in the indoctrination in Judaeophilia that now begins in the cradle. In my experience very few people—Americans least of all—are constitutionally prone to contrariness, yet contrariness has become a surer guide to what is true, whether the initial t is big or small, than is trust in government or the media or schools or teachers—or websites!

    The importance of the emotional response you indirectly refer to is not to be discounted or belittled. Overmuch trust in any human faculty, the easily deceived intellect no less than the emotions, is to be guarded against—Odinists, the great Greek and Roman thinkers, and the human authors of the New Testament are pretty much all on the same page here—but neither is an excess of scorn for any of them to be encouraged. The examined life is not a day at the beach.

  156. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 8, 2012 - 5:36 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Because you are such an extraordinary man, I will make an admission that many women know but few admit. We are certainly capable of reason, but we often make our decisions based on instinct or emotion ( not sure what the correct word is) and then use reason to justify our position. As I said in another thread, I oppose stem-cell research on a gut level first, we do not eat our own young. If you insist I can find other arguments to support my position but it really is cheating.

  157. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 8, 2012 - 6:33 pm | Permalink

    @Edward: Is the site you linked to (jrbooksonline) with regard to Walsh widely known? I ask because it’s both impressive and news to me. I am less than enthusiastic about its evident NS sympathies, but putting up with them hardly constitutes a sizable price to pay for such a wealth of valuable information.

  158. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 8, 2012 - 6:47 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Not being much of an insister, Alice, I am content to leave things as they are.

    In furtherance of your remarks apropos fetal stem-cell research, it’s worth noting that contrary to several decades’ worth of propaganda, independent researchers dropped it less because of “ethical” concerns (God forgive the soulless bastards) than because their research led them to conclude that it was a dead end. It was fetal-stem-cell researchers receiving the sinecure of endless government grants that produced trifling results or none at all who clamored for the research to continue and lied about the motives of those who denied its utility. As Peter Duesberg pointed out twenty years and more ago, government-funded researchers will never produce a cancer cure because, once a cure is found, they will have to begin working for a living.

    Last but not least, I am grateful for the remark in re my extraordinariness, but please know that I put my trousers on one leg at a time.

  159. European's Gravatar European
    May 8, 2012 - 8:32 pm | Permalink

    @Wolfgang Star:
    I really yearn for the Middle Ages.
    Don’t understand this yearning. I come from a small city with a church build around 1200, lived in another with witch-towers, and stone city walls that also look and are 1000 years old or older (Germany). The Alt-Stadt looks likes people were miniature people with front doors no taller than 4 feet. So I can’t see myself going back mentaly, but what a beauty they are, and how far we as a people and evolution has come, not to speak of all the roman artifacts. Mentaly I am glad for the 2100 century and the potential it holds for the future, due to having such a rich past to learn and analyze from. Wolfgang, wieso und warum sehnen Sie sich zurueck zum Mittelalter? Etwas verstehe ich hier nicht. Politisch oder Religioes (mentaly) auf keinenfall.

  160. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 8, 2012 - 8:38 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I’m crushed, does no one in this modern world have any respect for illusions?

  161. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    May 8, 2012 - 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Alice, Christians who object to miscegenation do so not because of Christian teachings, but in spite of them. As you said, Christianity values the hereafter above all and considers all men to be basically equal, this certainly precludes anything like racially defined society. There’s a reason why most abolitionists were fervent Christians. Antiracist Christians are standing on much firmer ground ideologically.

  162. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    May 8, 2012 - 11:31 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: ““Unlike this country’s archives, which omit from the public’s access vast amounts of material demonstrating that much of what our masters have claimed is the truth is in fact utterly false, the Inquisition’s archives leave nothing out from scholarly view.” ”

    This is a much clearer vision than your original contribution, M. de Craon.

    Arrrrggghhh – if we could only edit our posts!

  163. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 8, 2012 - 11:54 pm | Permalink

    @Marcus:
    It is certainly true that Christianity can and has been construed to justify intermarriage, but there is nothing that I am aware of in Christianity which requires it. I can look at a young black woman and truthfully say that I believe we are equal in the eyes of God and that in fact she is a far better Christian than I. That does not require me to introduce her to my son. Equality does not mean interchangeability.

  164. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    May 8, 2012 - 11:55 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Fender, don’t go. You add value even when I disagree with you.

    How can you take the opinions of people controlled by the tiny fragment of their brain where God is constructed seriously? (& for anyone who doesn’t believe “gawd” is a construct of the human brain, you’re simply uninformed.)

    Religions are not our salvation. They are the seeds of our destruction. Religions are designed to manipulate and control their adherents – not educate or free them!

    Geez! How could anyone not realize that?!?

    Religious delusion will be the death of us all – because religious demagogues are dangerous.

    That’s not to say I can’t see the value in a White, Christian outlook. …As long as it isn’t distorted by malevolent outside forces, that is.

    But that’s the subject for another thread.

  165. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    May 8, 2012 - 11:58 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: “Try to act like white folks. ”

    Good advice.

  166. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 9, 2012 - 12:01 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    But let me ask you this: What in Christianity requires you to see a black person, or any other person, as all equal in God’s eyes? Does it say anything like that in the New Testament? If it says something general like, “God loves everyone”, that still doesn’t mean they are equal in God’s eyes. I can’t believe that some lout who ran a gambling operation in early Rome was the equal to St. Paul or whomever in His eyes. Why would that necessarily follow?

    He might love them all, and maybe he loves them all the same, but what in Christianity would necessitate ignoring differences among men? Surely God notices when someone is retarded. He may love them just the same, but He wouldn’t expect us to let him drive a fork lift.

  167. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    May 9, 2012 - 12:05 am | Permalink

    It gets down to what is reality. Evidence of the senses, or something else?
    “Something else” is Platonism or the noumenal (fantasy) world of I. Kant.
    Both NS and Christianity deny the evidence of the senses as reality. Both say there is something higher. . . Both are Platonic, anti-rational, and anti-individualism (mass meetings, mass, and communion).

    It is interesting to note that the NS intellectual Werner Sombart asserted that “a Negro can be a German in the spiritual sense.” As a Negro could be white in the Christian spiritual sense. . .One happy family, once unchained from this material garbage!

  168. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 9, 2012 - 12:23 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Jason, I am the last one to be able to quote chapter and verse for you. I never questioned the concept. To me, it seems self-evident that God is so much greater than we that, any differences are inconsequential. A bad, mundane analogy would be that I have owned many dogs, some were beautiful and smart some were dumb and scruffy. I loved them all, but I never confused them with my children. Equal in this sense does not mean equal in ability or interchangeable. On one level I am superior to Stephen Hawking, on others he seems to have me beat. Neither is the criterion used by God to judge us.

  169. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 9, 2012 - 12:37 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    That might be the thing for Christians to stress, that humans are equal only in that they all receive God’s love, or all have souls, as far as Christianity is concerned. Make it clear that this is the only equality that Christianity actually addresses.

    I know that the Old Testament is all about inequality. God makes it clear, in the bloodiest terms, how non-Israelis are to be treated. And I believe slavery is explicitly endorsed. Actually I think God commands His people to take slaves.

    I’m not just saying this to be cute. I’ve noticed Christians leaping from some generalized feeling that God loves us all or values all of our souls, to the idea that we are “all equal in His eyes”, when I’m not aware of anything like that actually stemming from Christian theology. It is quite possible that God sees us as very unequal, and yet values our souls. I value a BMW and a bicycle, but not the same. Anyway, this sentiment seems to be something people have tacked on to Christianity in recent generations, not something flowing from the New Testament. I’d be interested in anything anyone has that counters my idea.

  170. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 9, 2012 - 12:44 am | Permalink

    @arthurdecco: The trick (often the problem) is remembering to ablate oneself for a moment from what one means to say and to adopt, to the extent one can, a reader’s perspective. That is, since all language is shorthand of a sort, care is needed lest the words chosen to express one’s meaning are insufficient in number or in clarity for a reader (who, alas, can’t usually read minds) to get what the writer means without having to pitch his tent inside the writer’s brain (assuming he has one). In the instance in question, I knew what I meant as I typed the words and read them over twice or thrice, but only after I saw them posted did it strike me that what I wrote was subject to misconstruction absent the qualifying words I then added.

    Or perhaps I should just shut up while I’m ahead, art.

  171. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 9, 2012 - 1:04 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I am sure there has been some distortion afoot, but I am not the one to address the issue. I hope those better informed will weigh in.

  172. Razvan's Gravatar Razvan
    May 9, 2012 - 3:33 am | Permalink

    @Athanasius:
    The Phanariotes governors used the jews especially for their lack of scruples. Despite the fierce competition between the Greeks and jews inside the Ottoman Empire, in the Romanian countries the two groups formed a certain alliance.
    A great boyar like Gheorghe Golescu described this alliance well around the year 1800. Everything, from usury, money clipping, taxing everything twice and in advance (the taxes for 1800 had to be paid in December 1799), an extremely imaginative taxing system (they even taxed the number of chimneys of a house among other things). The Phanariotes were usually using the sword and the jews the accounting books, less visible but more merciless. The books were so crooked and the theft so shameless that the sultan had to behead some Phanariotes from time to time. It was too much even for the turks.

    It is a perfect example of cooperation between the jewish money (the jews were minting money even in the Otoman Empire) and a corrupt foreign or estranged elite.

  173. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 9, 2012 - 5:08 am | Permalink

    @European
    „Etwas verstehe ich hier nicht.“

    Und ich kann Dich nicht verstehen machen. It has in any case nothing to do with the size of the doors. Have you ever looked into the faces of the people in the paintings of the Master from Flémalle and Rogier van der Weyden? There is even a book by an american historian that transports something of the psyche I am talking about: „Distant Mirror“ by Barbara W. Tuchman.

    However, best wishes.

  174. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 9, 2012 - 5:34 am | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza „It gets down to what is reality.“

    No. It gets down to what is truth. It gets down to two and two is four. In „1984“ it was ultimate rebellion to say two and two is four. Today they want to sell us two and two is five as reality and freedom of the mind. Fixation on reality leads us into a unreal world of different realities where two and two could also be five or six. Truth comes first and starts with God. Read St. Thomas von Aquin. Without an immovable mover you move by definition into an unreal world.

  175. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 9, 2012 - 6:07 am | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza
    It is interesting to note that the NS intellectual Werner Sombart asserted that “a Negro can be a German in the spiritual sense.”

    You have to understand the German point of view. Since 2000 years, all kinds of people came through our lands. And everyone who staid, we made German. We have a long experience with that. And even with our plastic generation of today, our Turks are different from the Paki problem in England or the Blacks and Arabs in France.
    When the house of usury finally collapses most of the invaders will not like our more harsh climate anymore and go away. Our plastic generation will die or convert to „the God, who let grow the iron (Der Gott, der Eisen wachsen liess)“, and the rest of the Turks and Blacks we will make German. Trust me on that. That´s reality.

  176. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 9, 2012 - 6:34 am | Permalink

    @Wolfgang Star:

    Why would you want to make Turks and blacks into Germans? There is no advantage to Germans to doing that. I urge you to reconsider!

  177. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    May 9, 2012 - 7:54 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    “Does it say anything like that in the new testament?”

    Yes, it does.

  178. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    May 9, 2012 - 7:56 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Why would you want to make germans into Turks and Blacks?

  179. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 9, 2012 - 4:27 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:

    What does it say in the New Testament that says God views all human beings as equal?

  180. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    May 9, 2012 - 7:59 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: “Are you winding up in moderation as frequently as I? Seems sudden. ”

    I think it’s certain phrases and key words, Ms Teller, that hold up publication of some of our posts until such time as a moderator can assess them. I’ve always thought they were flagged automatically.

    I’ve noticed at times that the posts I’ve submitted with even mildly inflammatory language are usually delayed for several hours but eventually they appear.

    I’m certain it’s nothing personal.

  181. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    May 9, 2012 - 8:08 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: “Or perhaps I should just shut up while I’m ahead, art. ”

    You just reminded me of the em forster quote: “How do I know what I think until I see what I say?”

    By all means keep saying what you say, M. de Craon. Please use as many words as you like!

  182. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    May 10, 2012 - 12:03 am | Permalink

    Jewish intellectuals have shown that they are quite adept at exploiting Western universalism to achieve their particularist interests.

    Isn’t that what Christianity was in the first place? A Jewish critique of ancient Greco-Roman culture?

  183. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    May 10, 2012 - 12:08 am | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.:

    Rather, I should have said, “Jews exploiting Greek philosophical universalism to propagate Hellenistic Judaism(i.e. Christianity) to the mult-racial population of the Roman Empire.”

  184. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    May 10, 2012 - 12:30 am | Permalink

    @Wolfgang Star:

    E. Michael Jones is a Catholic crank. He’s not credible.

  185. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    May 10, 2012 - 12:32 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Christians always call for the silencing of their critics and opposition. Just like Jews do.

    Christians and Jews are very similar in numerous ways.

  186. Wolfgang Star's Gravatar Wolfgang Star
    May 10, 2012 - 2:58 am | Permalink

    Glad, that you made it Z.O.G. I already missed you. Purr. Purr.

  187. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    May 10, 2012 - 11:30 am | Permalink

    @Edward:

    My only request was for atheists to stop recycling demonstrably false Jewish talking points.)

    The only demonstrably false thing here is your stale Christian apologetics.

  188. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    May 10, 2012 - 11:47 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    The New Testament says that race, ethnicity, and sex don’t exist:

    http://christianitydebunked.wordpress.com/christianity-is-radical/

    For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile–the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
    - Romans 10:12

    For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body–whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free–and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
    - 1 Corinthians 12:13

    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
    - Galatians 3:28

    Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
    - Colossians 3:11

  189. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    May 10, 2012 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    The delusional rantings of “Alice Teller” are a perfect example of why Christianity is completely incompatible with any kind of racial or biological world view.

  190. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 10, 2012 - 12:01 pm | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.:
    I am honored to be singled out by you. I pride myself on the enemies I make. Isn’t it time for your meds?

  191. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 10, 2012 - 1:16 pm | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.: Your point being … what precisely, Zoggy? After all, you and a dung beetle have much in common, too, particularly your fondness for remaining neck-deep in a certain environment.

    I’d give 4-to-1 odds that you are one of Lucien Freud’s biggest fans.

  192. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 10, 2012 - 1:24 pm | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.: Yes, of course, Jones is a crank! (Lots of brilliant guys are.) This is hardly an original insight—not that originality has ever been your strong suit. The question, the point, here is, is he right concerning the matter raised by Wolfgang Star? The answer is, yes, he is.

  193. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    May 10, 2012 - 2:26 pm | Permalink

    “Their basic point was that if you really believe in a universalist Christianity where nothing matters except religious belief, then you shouldn’t be upset if a subset of former Jews continues to marry among themselves and retains its ethnic coherence, as long as their beliefs are sincere.”

    But, if that were the case, the former Jews would be rejecting universalist beliefs and would be insincere.

  194. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 10, 2012 - 4:42 pm | Permalink

    @Wolfgang Star:

    Our plastic generation will die or convert to „the God, who let grow the iron (Der Gott, der Eisen wachsen liess)“, and the rest of the Turks and Blacks we will make German. Trust me on that. That´s reality.

    What does this paragraph mean?

  195. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    May 10, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    It was a common practice for Israelis to adopt a Hebrew name & so Benjamin Netanyahu’s father Benzion Mileikowsky from Poland became Benzion Netanyahu.

    David Ben-Gurion’s diary points to Benzion Netanyahu’s extreme Zionism .

    ‘People think the Holocaust ended,’ said Benzion Netanyahu in 2009 to Channel 2’s political correspondent Amit Segal. ‘The Holocaust didn’t end. It continues all the time.’

    http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-end/david-ben-gurion-s-diary-invites-a-rethink-of-benzion-netanyahu-s-extreme-zionist-image-1.428236

    Helen Thomas was so right in saying that those Eastern European Ashkenazi Jews do not belong in the Middle East at all.

  196. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    May 11, 2012 - 9:05 am | Permalink

    @Edward: Thank you for the link to William Thomas Walsh’s rebuttal to Roth’s litany of lies. I read it with fascination.

  197. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    May 11, 2012 - 6:37 pm | Permalink

    @Neville: A name (Netanyahu) which means, ironically, gift from God.

  198. Mickey Meadowse's Gravatar Mickey Meadowse
    May 12, 2012 - 7:21 am | Permalink

    Caroline Glick does her piece on Netanyahu http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=269524
    I look forward to the time when WN outlets have the readership and funds to warrant daily news from a WN perspective, and be able to pay a living to its essayists and journalists.
    I hope a lot of us are focused on this matter of improving the money/power available.

  199. Martin's Gravatar Martin
    May 13, 2012 - 5:07 pm | Permalink

    @Stogumber:

    Re: ‘a kind of disorder where people are unable to make a connection between their own behaviour and the behaviour of others’.

    Diagnostic and Statistical Manual Of Mental Disorders, 4th ed text revision 2000. Washington DC: American Psychiatric Association -
    Diagnostic criteria for 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder

    All of the nine listed criteria are interesting in this context but one might pick out no 7:

    “lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others”

  200. A Swain's Gravatar A Swain
    May 18, 2012 - 8:14 pm | Permalink

    After the best part of two thousand years of conniving and plotting against the White Christian world, the Jews have finally conquered it and now dominate all spheres within.

    However, they have made one drastic error of judgement and that error in relation to the White Christian West, is the unfettered demographic enablement, recognition and appeasement of Muslims and their Mohammedanism.

    Islam is no more trusting of the Jude than is Christianity. Unlike within Christian nations, Jews residing in Muslim lands have never succeeded in usurping the hierarchy of Islam save perhaps in a minor capacity due to the likely instances of some converting to Mohammedanism at various junctures over the centuries up until today.

    If the Christian-founded West falls to the Jihad then it’s all over for Israel. Mohammedans will by default inherit the West’s nuclear deterrents.

    The question is, are Jews prepared to return to inevitable and indefinite dhimmi status having succeeded after so long a period, in winning control of the White Christian Western world?

    I would suggest that if they truly believe they’re the Chosen and possess the intelligence to match, now is the time to prove themselves.

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