The role of Jewish converts to Catholicism in changing traditional Catholic teachings on Jews

Kevin MacDonald


In a previous article, “Benzion Netanyahu: Jewish Activist and Intellectual Apologist,” I discussed the activities of New Christian intellectuals in 15th-century Spain in developing an interpretation of Christianity and Judaism in which Judaism was presented very positively:

These intellectuals presented Jews as a genetically separate religious group composed of morally superior individuals and distinguished by a superior genetic heritage. On this basis, the New Christians argued that they were therefore worthy of being the progenitors of Christ who was born a Jew. (This appeals to Christians who naturally want to believe that Jesus came from a superior genetic stock.)  The basic strategy was to realize that Christianity could serve as a perfectly viable ideology in which Christian Jews could retain their ethnic solidarity, but with a Christian religious veneer.

What I didn’t point out was that some of the the main New Christian apologists, such as Alonso de Cartagena (whose writings are discussed in Chapter 7 of Separation and Its Discontents, p. 210ff), were not only converts from Judaism but also held high positions within the Catholic Church—obviously an ideal position from which alter Christian theology about Judaism. They were quite successful, at least temporarily:

As has undoubtedly often been the case in other eras (see, e.g., the discussion of the Dreyfus case in Chapter 6), the [New Christian] apologists were intellectually far more sophisticated than their opponents, and collectively they dominated the literature of the period. … Their arguments, while necessarily departing from orthodox Christian arguments in their defense of the Jews, are presented in a highly literate, scholarly style that undoubtedly commanded respect from an educated audience. They were highly skilled in developing the very intricate, tortured arguments necessary to overcome the existing anti-Jewish bias of Christian theology. The result of all this intellectual activity was a stunning, if temporary, victory over the Toledo rebels of 1449 … . The rebels were soon regarded by the public as moral, religious, and political renegades; they were excommunicated by the pope, and their leaders were imprisoned and executed. (p. 212)

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A new book by John Connelly, a professor  of history at the University of California-Berkeley, shows a similar phenomenon in the 20th century: converted Jews were instrumental in creating the Vatican II document Nostra Aetate which changed the historic position of the Catholic Church toward the Jews (“Converts Who Changed the Church: Jewish-Born Clerics Helped Push Vatican II Reforms“). As with their New Christian predecessors, the technique was to find passages of Scripture that conformed to their ethnic interests in raising the status of Judaism yet remaining within the intellectual confines of Catholicism:

Nostra Aetate confirmed that Christ, his mother and the apostles were Jews, and that the church had its origin in the Old Testament. It denied that the Jews may be held collectively responsible for Jesus Christ’s death, and decried all forms of hatred, including anti-Semitism. Citing the Letter of St. Paul to the Romans, Nostra Aetate called the Jews “most beloved” by God. These words …  staged a revolution in Catholic teaching.

From the Jewish point of view, a revolution was highly desirable.  The article on Judaism in The Catholic Encyclopedia from 1910 — during the papacy of Pius X (who is highly regarded by traditionalist Catholics)— is instructive.  Jews in the time of Jesus are described as a “race” that rejected the call of Jesus for repentance, showing no sorrow for sin, unfit for salvation and rejecting the true kingdom of God in favor of earthly power: “Jesus justly treated as vain the hopes of His Jewish contemporaries that they should become masters of the world in the event of a conflict with Rome.” These views, including the view that Jews are a “race” can be traced back to Christian intellectuals such as Eusebius in the 4th century (see here, p. 106).

[After the resurrection of Jesus,] the Church … took the independent attitude which it has maintained ever since. Conscious of their Divine mission, its leaders boldly charged the Jewish rulers with the death of Jesus, and freely “taught and preached Christ Jesus”, disregarding the threats and injunctions of men whom they considered as in mad revolt against God and His Christ (Acts 4). (Catholic Encyclopedia, 1910)

The article portrays Church laws against Jews, such as laws against Jews having Christian slaves and forcing Jews to live in ghettos, as necessary to protect the Christian faith. It accurately portrays the Church in later centuries as at times protecting Jews against popular anti-Jewish actions. However, it asserts that the causes of popular anti-Semitism included real conflicts between Jews and non-Jews that are not explained as being due to Christian religious ideology that the Jews murdered God. In particular, the causes of anti-Semitism are described as follows:

  • The deep and wide racial difference between Jews and Christians which was, moreover, emphasized by the ritual and dietary laws of Talmudic Judaism;
  • the mutual religious antipathy which prompted the Jewish masses to look upon the Christians as idolaters, and the Christians to regard the Jews as the murderersof the Divine Saviour of mankind, and to believe readily the accusation of the use of Christian blood in the celebration of the; Jewish Passover, the desecration of the Holy Eucharist, etc.;
  • the trade rivalry which caused Christians to accuse the Jews of sharp practice, and to resent their clipping of the coinage, their usury, etc.;
  • the patriotic susceptibilities of the particular nations in the midst of which the Jews have usually formed a foreign element, and to the respective interests of which their devotion has not always been beyond suspicion.

These ideas on the causes of popular anti-Semitism are pretty much the same as the ones I emphasize in my overview of historical anti-Semitism.

As with the New Christian intellectuals of the 15th century, the converted Jews who influenced Vatican II managed to attain the intellectual high ground. Connelly:

The problem was, they had possessed no language of their own with which to break the silence. More than most academic disciplines, theology is a complex thicket with each branch guarded by a prickly coterie of experts. Those wanting to grasp the complexities of the church’s relations to Jews had to study eschatology, soteriology, patristics, Old and New Testament, and church history through all its periods. The bishops thus found themselves relying on tiny groups of experts who had cared enough to amass the unusual intellectual qualifications for this task. … The thinkers who did the intellectual work that prepared this revolution were overwhelmingly converts.

As is typical of Jewish intellectual movements, there was a great deal of cooperation among the converts. During the 1930s, converts—the most important of whom was Johannes Oesterreicher—opposed Catholic theologians who argued that Jews were “racially damaged” (a belief quite consistent with the views of The Catholic Encyclopedia mentioned above). Instead, they claimed that Jews “carried a special holiness.”

Although the rise of National Socialism increased the urgency of such movements among Jews, there was a similar attempt at the First Vatican Council, in 1870.

The brothers Lémann — Jews who had become Catholics and priests — presented a draft declaration on relations between the church and Jews, stating that Jews “are always very dear to God” because of their fathers and because Christ has issued from them “according to the flesh.”

A basic argument by the converts was to stress Christian universalism: “In their opposition, they were simply holding their church to its own universalism.”

It’s fascinating that de Cartegena’s argument also boiled down to holding the Church to its own universalism.  ”If you really believe in a universalist Christianity where nothing matters except religious belief, then you shouldn’t be upset if a subset of former Jews [i.e., the New Christians] continues to marry among themselves and retains its ethnic coherence, as long as their beliefs are sincere” (see above link).

Again we see the fundamental weakness of the ideology of Western universalism when in competition with a group that rejects a similar ethic.

In conceptualizing the motivation of these Jewish converts, Connelly asks:

What were the impulses behind their engagement after the war? … In Oesterreicher we see an enduring solidarity with the community that once was his, most immediately his family. In 1946 he pondered the fate of his father, who had died of pneumonia in Theresienstad…. Intense love and longing for his Jewish father began opening Oesterreicher’s mind to the possibility that Jews could be saved as Jews.

Well, maybe. But Connelly doesn’t even attempt to make this argument for the other converts, and in any case it’s impossible to discount a lingering sense of ethnic solidarity that goes well beyond filial affection. (Connelly also mentions a bizarre psychoanalytic argument in Peter Gordon’s review in The New Republic.)

From an evolutionary perspective, the Jews who over the centuries have become priests and bishops while advancing Jewish interests are examples of altruism on behalf of their ethnic group. By becoming Catholic clergy they would typically forego marriage and family. But their behavior as insiders in an institution that historically had been generally negative toward Judaism shows that they may nevertheless advance the interests of their ethnic group without personally reproducing.

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273 Comments to "The role of Jewish converts to Catholicism in changing traditional Catholic teachings on Jews"

  1. J.J. WHALEN's Gravatar J.J. WHALEN
    July 31, 2012 - 2:49 pm | Permalink

    ITS ONE THING TO ABSOLVE THE JEWS FOR THE THE DEATH OF CHRIST AND FOLLOWING THEIR LEAD AND DIRECTIONS ON HOW THE CHURCH AND AMERICA SHOULD LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS OF THE MIDDLE EAST. THE CHURCH HAS GONE WAY TO FAR IN DOING THEIR BIDDING NOT JUST IN POLITICS BUT ALSO IN CHURCH AFFAIRS.

  2. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    July 31, 2012 - 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Infiltration and manipulation of existing institutions is one of the oldest tricks of the Jews and it is the major way they gained power in the world. In this way they got control over finance, politics, media and education.

    Religious institutions too are not forgotten when it comes to promoting their interests. For the Catholic Church this meant the removal of the stain of deicide and the regaining of their status as “Chosen People”. For the Protestant Churches this meant the gaining of support for their Zionist project, a support that they secured by means of the Scofield Bible with its numerous pro-Zionist notes. Only the Eastern Orthodox Churches seem to have escaped Jewish infiltration.

    Naive Christian universalism is no match for cunning Jewish tribalism. Christians would be well advised to heed Jesus’ exhortation to “be harmless as doves, but wise as serpents”, for the Jewish leopard can never change its spots.

  3. July 31, 2012 - 5:12 pm | Permalink

    “One hundred years after the French Revolution, the editors of Civilta Cattolica, the official voice of the Vatican on political affairs, came to a startling conclusion: any country which turns away from laws based on the teaching of the Catholic Church and God’s eternal law will end up being ruled by jews.”

  4. Mordechai's Gravatar Mordechai
    July 31, 2012 - 6:16 pm | Permalink

    Christianity, a jewish trojan horse that came back to bite the jews in the ass bigtime, and which, to this day they struggle to manipulate. I wonder how their latest trojan horse of multiculturalism will come back and, once again, bite them in the ass really truly, BIG TIME.

  5. briton's Gravatar briton
    July 31, 2012 - 7:15 pm | Permalink

    It should be pointed out that the concept of Christian universalism references one thing and one thing alone – that the salvation offered up by Christ is open to any man, as he exists as man, regardless of individual distinction or sub-group distinctions – as in the case of Jews.

    The concept most certainly was never intended to act as an intellectual sop to convince certain people (Christians) that distinctiveness (Judaism itself) is but another form of the universal.

    That certain people (in this case Jews) are adept at this practice speaks volumes but doesn’t even touch the rightful use of universals.

    The misapplication of a concept by some does not render the concept false or of questionable character.

  6. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    July 31, 2012 - 7:34 pm | Permalink

    On a similar note:

    The New Age spirituality movement is filled with Jews.

    Ram Dass (real name Richard Alpert) is an example.

    He and most (or all) of his inner circle are Jews — but none of them subscribe to the Jewish religion.

    So it goes to show that even the hippie New Age Jews stick together, regardless of whatever they preach or claim to believe.

    (The term “New Age” is somewhat nebulous. I think of it as Eastern religions watered down and sold to Western society; at least that seems to be a big part of the New Age movement. And, to be fair, I figure there is probably something good in New Age teachings/teachers.)

  7. July 31, 2012 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    They are like the Chinese, they think FAR AHEAD, and as you, Professor, documented they worked to change our immigration law from 1880, finally achieving their victory in 1965, so likewise with their greatest enemy: The Roman Catholic Church.
    And God Bless Dr Arthur Butz for preserving the TRUTH!
    How the Jews Changed Catholic Thinking
    By Joseph Roddy, Look Senior Editor.
    LOOK Magazine, January 25, 1966, Volume 30, No. 2.

  8. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    July 31, 2012 - 8:00 pm | Permalink

    I thank Professor MacDonald for this timely article.

    I have linked before to the actual Civiltà Cattolica articles Mr. Wellington refers to at second hand, but they are most apt here and now. The central point to be noted is that as early as 1890, the completely orthodox Jesuit authors of the articles, who were writing with Pope Leo XIII’s full approval, were bent on informing the rest of the European hierarchy of the already grave threat to both the Faith and the Western secular world that Jewish and Masonic subversion represented. As they and Leo’s successor, Pope Saint Pius X, feared, the extent of the subversion was so great that its progress could be slowed but it could not be ripped out at the roots. (The problem was in many ways worst of all here in the States.)

    As for John Connelly and his book, since I know nothing of him and haven’t read it, I cannot say with confidence that they are both pretty ridiculous, but that is the direction in which my suspicions point. John Maria Oesterreicher, to use the form of his name he himself preferred, was almost certainly a false Catholic, a latter-day Marrano, but Connelly seems to be blowing his importance entirely out of proportion. He was very, very low in the pecking order of the periti, or theological expert advisers to the Council Fathers. Indeed, he wasn’t a peritus at all; merely a staffer.* The very sad fact, as studied and documented at the time by the French scholar of conspiracies Léon de Poncins, was that a sizable number of cardinals and bishops were themselves subversive Jews, in their pay in one form or another, or active Freemasons (i.e., tools of the Jews if not actual Jews), or some combination of the preceding. Poncins tended to believe that Augustin Cardinal Bea, probably the single most important managerial figure at the council, was a closet Jew. The important French cardinal Achille Liénart was at least a strong Jewish sympathizer and definitely a stalwart ally of Bea’s. And then of course there was the notorious Annibale Bugnini, whose almost 100 percent certain membership in a Roman lodge became so widely known that he never got a red hat and was exiled to Iran, of all places. Too bad it didn’t happen twenty years sooner!

    *I am not suggesting that the periti weren’t a dreadful bunch overall—they were indeed—but they weren’t closet Jews; rather, they had all turned away from the Faith decades before. Some of the more famous names will be familiar to readers even now: Edward Schillebeeckx, Hans Küng, Marie-Dominique Chenu (yes, a man!), Jean Daniélou, Karl Rahner (a certain Joseph Ratzinger was a second-stringer on Rahner’s staff), Johann Baptist Metz, John Courtney Murray, and Henri De Lubac. All of them exemplify the wisdom of Joe Sobran’s remark, “A liberal theologian is someone who thinks that losing his faith shouldn’t have to mean losing his job.”

  9. Steve's Gravatar Steve
    July 31, 2012 - 8:54 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Excellent comment. One of the best I’ve read. As for Jewish infiltration, this is where anyone can do research and learn how Jews gain control, from small companies to large institutions. Ford’s ‘The Dearborn Independent’ mentioned the infiltration of Wall St. by the Jews as one of many examples. One of my pet peeves is the Jewish takeover of Disney starting in 1984. Of course it was just a matter of time before the Jews targeted the American icon Disney, drooling over the chance to brainwash such a young and receptive worldwide audience. Once Michael Eisner was in, he brought Katzenberg on board. It didn’t take long before Disney became an advocate for diversity, gay rights, feminism, etc.

  10. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 31, 2012 - 9:12 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Thank you, I was looking forward to you comment on this issue. As I began to read the Civitas Catolica I was struck by these words describing the Talmud “people of the book present us with untold millions of words of their own opinions” somethings truly never change.

    Is it only in times of great tumult that they succeed? I am not given to thoughts of the diabolic – but has there ever been a crisis for us that did not benefit them?

  11. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    July 31, 2012 - 9:37 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    I’m sorry for taking up another comment / space, but I want to clarify the point of my previous comment.

    I mentioned the hippie icon Ram Dass (a Jew, whose real name is Richard Alpert.)

    Anyway, my point is that even though he admits to taking many, many, many “trips” on LSD (“acid”) and meditating for many years — he still chooses to surround himself Jews.

    He’s in his 80′s now. And after decades of being a hippie New Age spiritual guru, he still behaves the way many people expect Jews to behave — looking out for their own.

    (I’m not even saying that that’s necessarily bad or unnatural — but it seems to go against the “let’s all hold hands and take drugs and live as one world” kind of rhetoric that is common in hippie/New Age spirituality.)

  12. buff's Gravatar buff
    July 31, 2012 - 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Mao tse Tung

    “Political power comes at the barrel of a gun”. All else is hot air.

  13. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    July 31, 2012 - 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Someone tweeted me a link Professor Connely’s work—I kinda figured it would show up on TOO in time. ;)

    Although, I think this Jewish influence from inside the Roman church is interesting, it doesn’t really explain the actions of the Catholics in Congress, or in government in general toward the Jew’s political agenda.

    Personally, I think the Catholic politicians are controlled by Jew money, and Jew owned or controlled media. The Jews got the money & the media, and the Catholic politicians need it. Religion be damned.

    My sense of things is the Catholic & Jew political alliance will fracture in the not too distant future.

  14. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    July 31, 2012 - 11:10 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    The only place I’ve ever ever seen the Scofield Bible mentioned is on a couple of conservative political websites like this one. LOL.

    For most Protestants it’s a choice between the KJV or the NIV.

  15. Blake Watts's Gravatar Blake Watts
    July 31, 2012 - 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Truly, the man on the street has no clue as to just how pervasive Jewish influence really is. it’s astonishing and depressing. It’s like i got out of bed one day and realized, “Holy shit, the Jews really HAVE taken over.”
    Yeah, they look at the long haul. Whites are so dumb and naive in comparison. I always think of the famous Nixon/Billy Graham tape where they commiserate about the danger of a jewish takeover. They were so right.

  16. Tadzio's Gravatar Tadzio
    July 31, 2012 - 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Re: Tom.

    The political alliance in the US between Catholics, heavily Irish in political leadership, and Jews is based upon a common resentment of WASPs more than a shared interest. The present make up of the Supreme Court, six Catholics and three Jews is a result of this.

    Democrats appointed the Jews and a minority Catholic. Republicans appointed Catholics in response to the virulent opposition to appointments of Protestans such as Hainsworth and Bork [who has since converted to Catholicism] when the Democrats controlled the Senate. Republican Presidents found that they could peel off Catholic Senators and get confirmations through.

    In a similar vein when the immigration amnesty program was proposed while Bush, fils, was president it passed in its first form but failed on reconsideration. Almost all the switched votes in both Houses were Catholics. Some Protestants responded to public pressure but all Jews held firm to the replacement agenda vis a vis the Founding stock.

    In brief, ethnic Catholics are the swing vote and they are very amenable to an alliance with White Protestants against the Jewish dominated coalition of minorities and malcontents. If you do the numbers, it is the best chance, if not the only chance, that White Christians have at saving America for our race.

  17. Riley DeWiley's Gravatar Riley DeWiley
    August 1, 2012 - 12:46 am | Permalink

    @Richard: Boulder, Colorado is full of “Jewbhus” (Jewish Buddhists) who are the single largest and most powerful ethnic/religious group in town.

    Most of the people who live there don’t even know they exist.

  18. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    August 1, 2012 - 6:53 am | Permalink

    @Mordechai: It occurs to me that, when all is said and done, there is one, and only one, proper, justified, and entirely suitable response by a people who have been targeted for Genocide by a racial competitor.

    After all, removal of that threat of genocide does very clearly fall within the defined boundaries of justifiable self-defense, does it not?

    Thus, for all the hoop and hype about the supposedly ‘high IQ’ of the self-chosenites – for them to embark on such a suicidally dangerous genocide campaign – seems to pour a considerable amount of very cold water on the myth of their being so much smarter than everyone else.

  19. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 1, 2012 - 7:46 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: The only thing that your second paragraph omits is the proper suggestion that these diabolic enemies—that is indeed what they are—create much of the tumult and a great many of the crises from which they profit. Like the devil himself, they are tireless.

    On a related matter, I have long despaired of awakening Tom and other commenters who relentlessly persist in talking (more often, sneering) about “Catholic” politicians in the face of no evidence whatsoever that any politician so styled before the American public for, oh, the last sixty years has had any demonstrable religious dimension. Perhaps the Jewish media’s most successful bit of propagandistic indoctrination may be found in the near-universal acceptance of the idea that being a Christian, of any stripe, is somehow analogous to being a Jew—namely, it’s tribal. Professor MacDonald’s article may point out, for literally the ten thousandth time, the plain-as-day fact that the Catholic faith was subverted and (my own word) discarded at the Second Vatican Council and replaced by a Judeocentric, Judeophilic cult, yet the predictable response from those precincts is “wow, great; Catholic politicians suck, don’t they!”

    No adult can be a Christian of any sort without willing to be one. (That is perhaps the one and only thing that Descartes was completely right about: stressing the effective limitlessness of the human will and of that human faculty alone. The idea was not original with him, of course, but he did well to make a big deal of it.) Yet of how many American gentile politicians, past or present and whatever their nominal religious affiliation, can it be said that they willed anything except their own power and enrichment, no matter the cost to others? Even two hundred years ago, how many of the Protestant politicians in state and federal government—they were then 98 percent of all politicians—were actual Christians rather than simply Leo Straussians a century and a half avant la lettre?

    I see no appetite abroad in the land for admitting that the historical gulf in the United States between rulers and ruled has been almost as great as that between the Chinese people and their rulers during the long centuries of the Mongol dynasties. Perhaps because this land was settled by such a plurality of English and Scottish Christian sects and subsects—certain important ones, such as the Pilgrims, not actually being Christians at all—whatever truly Christian roots were implanted in this soil never reached the hilltops where the movers and shakers made their abode. Once those sunlit heights were seized or simply bought at an estate sale by the Jews, the sundering of rulers and ruled was complete. Only fools continue to believe that “religious” head counts in the legislature are worth the time spent compiling them.

  20. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 1, 2012 - 8:18 am | Permalink

    Fascinating article and I must say, a deeply disturbing one.

  21. George F. Held's Gravatar George F. Held
    August 1, 2012 - 9:00 am | Permalink

    From Lucien Rebatet, Les Descombres (The Ruins), available at AAARGH : http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres4/LRdecombres.pdf

    It was a best seller in France during the occupation, but has not yet been translated. Rebatet was a National Socialist and French loyalist. He joined the French army, was assigned to a mountain unit, but was never in battle. His book describes the gross incompetence of the French political and military leaders and the absurdities witnessed by Rebatet during his military training. It also contains a scathing critique of Charles Maurras with whom Rebatet had worked.

    Here are some of the things which the book has to say about “the dog Maritain.” Sorry but I am not going to go to the trouble of translating it. The francophones among you should appreciate it.

    p. 24 La farce énorme de la main tendue des communistes avait trouvé chez les catholiques militants et chez les ministres de l’Eglise non seulement des complices, mais des crédules fervents. Jacques Maritain, coupant des poils de rabbin en quatre au nom du Sacré Coeur, mobilisait toute la théologie et toute la métaphysique pour innocenter Israël, voire pour nous le proposer en modèle. Ce thomisme de synagogue avait, comme tant d’autres choses qui
    semblent planer dans une noble spiritualité, la plus triviale des explications : le partage du lit et du bidet, le conjungo de notre philosophe avec la juive Raïssa.
    J’avais rappelé ce petit détail dans un de mes articles, et qualifié Maritain, comme il convenait, de souilleur de la race, Rassenschander. Quelques jours plus tard, dans une feuille soi-disant nationale, un dévot tricolore me répondait en s’étranglant d’horreur et en stigmatisant mon paganisme hitlérien.

    p. 335 Voici la plus récente glose d’un estimable ecclésiastique sur Saint Jean de la Croix, un grand sujet. Mais le commentateur n’a eu de repos que le chien Maritain ne lui eût fienté une préface. Le sceau de Salomon a remplacé sur les livres catholiques le “nihil obstat”.
    Ouvrons le dernier ouvrage du R. P. Sertillanges, sur Bergson et le catholicisme. Il n’a pas dix mois. Le R. P. Sertillanges n’est sans doute qu’un vulgarisateur. Il n’en a pas moins fait figure de philosophe considérable dans l’enseignement catholique. Il a poussé sa soutane jusqu’à l’Institut. Au premier paragraphe de son livre, il écrit, en 1941 :
    “La mort d’Henri Bergson a été une perte pour l’univers. C’en est une également – j’espère n’étonner personne en le disant – pour le catholicisme.”

  22. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    August 1, 2012 - 9:43 am | Permalink

    Reverend Billy Graham and Richard Nixon spilled the beans long time ago:

  23. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    August 1, 2012 - 9:55 am | Permalink

    This revision in Catholic theology may be visible in the way Catholic historians now see the role of Jews and Judaism in the making of Western Civilization. I noticed this recently in Anthony Esolen’s The Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization (2008). According to his website, Esolen teaches Renaissance English Literature and the Development of Western Civilization at Providence College; is a senior editor for Touchstone: A Journal of Mere Christianity, writes regularly for First Things, Catholic World Report, Magnificat, This Rock, and Latin Mass. He is a respected scholar, editor and translator of Dante’s Divine Comedy.

    Esolen’s politically incorrect guide is quite good and effective, but I was taken aback by his elevation of Jews and Judaism. He says that the Jews played (in italics) “the central role” in the “development of Western civilization”. He admits they were not “great sculptors or painters,” and that their material accomplishments in those things that confer glory to a nation were not significant, and indeed that, “aside from the Old Testament and their commentaries upon it, the Jews wrote nothing of great interest”. But then insists that Jews accomplished “the most important thing: the revelation of the one, holy, all-knowing, almighty, all-loving God”. With this new God, a God not mired in the the natural world, and not concentrated in the person of a god-king, the Jews were responsible for the separation of the temporal and the spiritual. By viewing all things as God’s handiwork, the God “who revealed Himself to Abraham,” gave us a vision of the universe that was ordered, and thus not in opposition to the use of Greek reason.

    The Jews also gave us “the templates of out moral imaginations”. He cites Jesus words, “Salvation is of the Jews,” wherein Jesus revealed his mission to all mankind, “identifying that mission as fulfilling the role of the Jews in the history of man”. Making no distinctions between the Old and New Testaments, Esolen says that Jews also taught Westerners that the “world is going somewhere…is going to be redeemed.” One of the “defining features of the Western mind” is that “we are on a journey, all of us, to a place that is sweeter and happier that what we now know”.

    “Jesus sums up in his person and his preaching one universal yet often latent feature of the Old Testament and the history of Jews. That is the primacy of love.”

    His account of Jesus, and everything I have cited here, is contained in a chapter titled “Israel: How God Changed the World”. With Jesus and St Paul’s teachings “no peoples are accursed or beneath our notice. All boundaries of race and culture have been overleapt.”

    I will add a few other things later.

  24. alfred's Gravatar alfred
    August 1, 2012 - 10:34 am | Permalink

    The western civilization is a greek roman civilization with a faith based upon the New Testament rather than the old testament and far beyond the real conceptual basis upon which it is based, a platonic one…the New Testament is adamant in its anti jewish stances and has built the strongest case against the jewish behavior and its attempts to mold themselves as a separate race which is not by any length scientifically defensible….there is not a jewish race as they are to be considered a sub type of the overall semitic one ..so the separation between the Christian church into Catholic branch and the Protestant one had the perverse aspect of diminishing the New Testament importance and stances by elevating as never before the Old Testament and the aggrandized the jewish posturing into the northern europe and that is the situation now…even if the Catholic branch has its sovereignty collapsed the common catholic person in the western world thanks to the Israel arrogance has opened their collective eyes as never before…however their true colors are not on being classified as a race but in being able to mold an ethics of their own and by doing that to achieve an abstract ethnicity based upon its talmudic codes …even though they would not devise any thing resembling a real ethics before the greeks developed such concepts…so it is not a long way to conclude that their lack of intelectual achievements had them adapted to such new positioning by learning to COPY and PASTE the old greek culture and then the christian church and finally the islamic functioning system …what they are today is this dis form amalgam of these three groups which lead me to conclude that they are a parasite who cannot exist unless it is an ever lasting parasite…their whole culture only can be so if they exists as parasites within..their own ethical deep function has to be focused only to mimic their host into their own existing beings in a schizophrenic mode…

  25. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    August 1, 2012 - 10:50 am | Permalink

    In the next chapter, “The Early Church, Charity and Tolerance are Born”, Esolen writes about how “the Jewish Scriptures had been preparing for it all along” Here “it” refers to “how Christianity saved the West” — in other words, Jews had been preparing all along to save the West. He cites Isaiah, “And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising”. He qualifies this statement right away, adding “granted, the Law is rooted in the traditions of the Jews, their feasts, their dressings for the altar, and their regulations regarding purity”. Nevertheless, “there is in the Old Testament a wild crosscurrent threatening to burst the bonds of culture and spill out among all peoples, making them all sons of Abraham.”

    The implication is that the universalism of Western culture — making all sons of Abraham” — was a gift of the Jews. Westerner are not “embedded in any one culture” but have been shaken free by the Jews from any culture.

    “The Jews are the Chosen People not for Themselves, but for everyone else.” From here on, Esolen relies on the New Testament, though in way that it is seen to follow smoothly from the Old. He writes about Paul’s claim that being Jewish or Greek is of no consequence in the sacrament. The relationship to Christ is “adaptable to all cultures, at all times, everywhere.” But then he pulls back a bit on the question of Jews as the harbingers of Christian/Western universalism: “But the Jews are in part constricted by culture. The prophets do preach that the law will be given to all nations, and the Jews were chosen to carry that law. Yet Rome and Greece and Germany and Ireland could only become Jewish, so to speak, by becoming Christian”.

    The implication here is that Jews gave the West the idea that they don’t belong to any particular culture, Greeks and Romans should see themselves as members of humanity as Christians. Jews were Chosen to bring this idea to whites, but the Jews themselves, we should understand, are “constricted by culture”, that is, by their own traditions, customs and ethnicity. The Jews were Chosen to bring universalism to the world, not for themselves, but for everyone else.

  26. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    August 1, 2012 - 10:59 am | Permalink

    Have the Jews made similar efforts to change the theology of Islam? Has there been any organized effort of Converted Muslims (Jews who are converts) to bring about reform in Islam that makes it favorable to Jews and “Jew-friendly”?

  27. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    August 1, 2012 - 11:25 am | Permalink

    @Tadzio:

    Yep, I’ve heard that before from Frosty Woolridge, who thinks the Irish Catholics are using Mexican immigration to get even with the alleged bad treatment the Catholics got during their 1848 nimmigration to the US. Oh the horror of the Irish Catholic holocaust. LOL.

    By the same token, honest Italian politicians like Jimbo Traficant go to Federal prison for years on the word of a back stabbing Irish Roman Catholic aide, and the possession of a surplus welding machine.

    Yesterday Jimmy Dimora a Cleveland-Cuyahoga County politician got sentenced to 28 years in the Federal prison for alleged corruption. Even though Dimora had filed all of the necessary disclouser papers with the State Ethics Commission!

    I’m no pal of Dimora’s, I only remember encountering/talking to Dimora once back in the late 90′s, and he came off as sincere, and trying to make the best of a bad situation in what could easily be Detroit. You try juggling those balls…

    Anyway, the Irish Catholics including my other friend/acquaintence Tim Hagan get off like fat rats while Dimora goes to Federal prison for 28 years.

    Another thing I find galling is all of these Irish Roman Catholics on the Federal bench, the prosecution, and the FBI pulling down huge wages & benefits while never having been elected to any office what-so-ever. Never attempting to juggle the balls that a Jimmy Dimora kept in the air, or doing the hard work Dimora did. Let alone getting elected to various offices by the people!

    The Federal catholic prosecution & catholic FBI spent tens of millions of dollars to put away a guy who was an elected county commissioner, and former small town mayor!

    Sooner or later the Italians are going to tell the Irish Roman Catholics to shove it where the sun don’t shine.

    A big part of the problem may be that obviously corrupt Italian Catholic witch Nancy Pelosi—her corruption is blatant & documented. Yet no one goes after her in California.

  28. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    August 1, 2012 - 11:42 am | Permalink

    @buff:
    Mao tse Tung stole his famous saying:
    “Political power comes at the barrel of a gun”.
    from Jesus who in Luke 22:36 commanded his followers to arm themselves by buying a sword. All the other instructions from Jesus about swords are how and when to use them.

  29. August 1, 2012 - 12:47 pm | Permalink

    History Of The Jews Is Covered Up?

    Author Schopenhauer said the jews could convert to other faiths,but general
    they remained with jewish faith,and they were generally recognized by other jews as such.

    Benjamin Freedman speech-You Tube 1/5 sums up the ideology?

    Michael Hoffman-Talmad Doctrine-Lectures-You Tube

    The jews are a separate people because of competition.As a minority they
    have always been deceptive in means of control as how else could they over come the majority.

    Benjamin Freedman was ruined for opposing jewish ideology as is generally the case.He Was a Jew.

    Is there a connection between the catholic church-the Zionist and the SS?
    Eustice Mullins-You Tube?

    The jews in Spain were expelled as they have been historically.EGYPT,Rome,
    etc.

    The conduct of Israel is the history of the jews in condense form.Their conduct has not changed in recorded history,and will not!

    Author Schopenhauer on topic of jews states how they behave as converts.Of
    course everything is relative,so there are exceptions.

    If you have been indoctrinated in a belief system that involves survival -would you not have difficulty with reform of concept.

    The history of the jews is covered up as history generally is.The elite create
    history for the gentile animals as they are inferior and cannot comprehend.Yes
    the jews have the most distorted history as the result of our darling Foundations,and Tavistock Institute-Search -You Tube.

    Brainwashing is the way the establishment controls the herd.Norman Dodd
    Reece Committee-You Tube.

    AIPAC seems to be very dominant in America really controlling the U.S. Corporation.Who owns you and the FED.Could it be the Crown
    and Rothschild,Rockefeller,Queen of England.

    Are you under the law of the sea,or land.Who owns you according to your birth certificate on the stock exchange.Jordon Maxwell-You Tube.

    Is America a colony of England-Jordon Maxwell -You Tube-The Truth About The Middle East And Israel-Jordon Maxwell-You Tube

    Do district courts overrule the Supreme Court of U.S.A..Arron Russo-
    Democracy-Freedom to Fascism-You Tube

    Do jews run the FED-David Icke-You Tube

    Why are the hawks for Iran war.Benjamin Freedman Speech.

    The 15 Cent. and today with the jews little has changed.Competition for
    control of the world by whatever means.Iran does not have nuclear weapons.

    Israel has over 300 nukes with no inspections allowed.

    Jews in Spain,America,Germany,England,etc.What is the record of the jews.

    What is one to believe about convert jews in Spain,or elsewhere.

    Good luck-Signing off-dragonline

  30. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    August 1, 2012 - 1:07 pm | Permalink

    @Adeimantus: There were crypto-jews in the Ottoman Empire and they’re still present in modern Turkey, Ataturk was probably a sabbatean crypto-jew from Salonika.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6nmeh

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbateans

  31. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 1, 2012 - 1:37 pm | Permalink

    @Sandy: Well, Jesus recommended rather than commanded it. Besides, he was speaking figuratively to the Apostles about the reception they should expect to receive in a hostile world. When, in their typical muddleheaded fashion, they started doing a sword inventory, He shut the conversation down promptly: “That’s enough!” (Luke 22:38).

    Also, given that this verse comes literally an hour or two before the start of the Passion narrative, with the Agony in the Garden and then the arrival of the temple guard—wherein, not coincidentally, He specifically condemns the use of the sword to protect him—it becomes even clearer that He was not speaking of literal swords in verse 36.

    So far as “instructions from Jesus about … how and when to use [swords]” are concerned, no instruction is plainer that that in Matthew 26:52, after Peter draws his sword and strikes off the high priest’s servant’s ear (damage which Christ promptly undoes): “‘Put your sword back in its place,’ Jesus said to him, ‘for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.’” Given the context and His own action, there is no reason to think that here He was speaking elliptically or metaphorically (as, e.g., He did in MT10:34: “I bring not peace but a sword”).

    Ought we, finally, to be surprised that Mao was as accomplished an abuser and distorter of Christ’s words as any Soviet Jew?

  32. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 1, 2012 - 2:19 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I have spent a fair portion of my life trying to explain Catholics and Protestants to each other. It can be an extraordinarily difficult job because each is absolutely sure that the distortions and caricatures each have learned are truth. It is undeniable that public Catholics like Pelosi and Cuomo make the task nearly impossible.
    Some, like Tom, are simply indulging in the pleasures of hatred and blame, but even those who approach the matter with an honest and open mind have a tough time because of the use of similar words with different meanings.
    The sad, bad, news is that I sometimes wind up sounding like Jews who claim that all the revolutionary Jews were not Jews they were atheists. Between the Jesuits who have adopted modernity and the likes of Hagee and Robertson who have sold out to AIPAC I have resorted to Mere Christianity. The anti-abortion and anti-feminist movements have been the only ones that I know of who have made any progress.
    Once again, it seems to come down to the question of motivation – are we acting on behalf of our love for white folks or on our various hatreds and pet peeves?
    It may be simply incomplete knowledge on my part, but I am very drawn to the Orthodox Churches, although they are pretty scarce here in the South, they seem to have avoided some of our problems.

  33. August 1, 2012 - 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Interesting material (and it reminds me that I wish ‘Separation and its Discontents’ was better indexed, and the chapter contents made clearer.

    I’d heard of Jewish Popes (the Pole..) and it seemed fantastic. But, not at all.

    There’s another issue in possible Jewish-Catholic collaboration militarily, where the Jews manage to keep quiet. The Belgian Congo was a cause celebre amongst a smallish group in Europe – Leopold of the Belgians being part of a notorious genocidal scheme. E D Morel in Britain tried to expose it (in ‘Red Rubber’) and claimed the Catholic Church supported the scheme. There’s something analogous in Vietnam under the French until Dien Bien Phu in 1954. Incidentally Castro may be from a line of converted Jews in Spain.

    Good point on crypto-Jews in the Ottoman Empire.

  34. fender's Gravatar fender
    August 1, 2012 - 4:20 pm | Permalink

    @Achaean:

    Esolen sounds like a real piece of work. Further proof that Christianity was a colossal blow to the European race.

  35. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 1, 2012 - 4:32 pm | Permalink

    @Folks,

    As you all know, I have said many times the “Jews” are not Judah or Israel physically or spiritually. They are Esau and Ashkenaz. This is admitted outright by them. This is also documented fact historically speaking. Revelation explains this as does the book of Hebrews and some other places. Christ told the Esau “Jews” (a national citizenship term- not an ethnic-national term like the English stock peoples are to England) that if they continued in his word (being the law that trumps all law) they too would be saved. There are few examples of this; the only one coming to mind from recent examples are Brother Nathaniel Kapner (who spends all his times exposing the fake Jew imposters). Every other “Jew” I can think of that has converted to either Protestantism or Catholic forms of Christianity, is no more than an infiltrator working for the enemy.

    The RCC is an abomination. That is not to say all Catholics are. Protestant Christianity has joined back to the whore as the only thing they seem to protest these days are Christians who expose the fake Jews, fake “Israel” and material Zionism that is leading the way to bring forth the main anti Christ spoken of in Scriptures who is to come at the end of this age.

    The Protestant sects were taken over via 501C3 adhesion contracts when the leaders of the Churches ( often they were tricked) signed these unlawful documents that turned them into Corporations- just like the RCC is a corporation- the Pope himself being a Corporate sole. 501C3 supposedly gives the Churches a tax exempt status but in reality they already had that. It made them into Corporations with the Corporation UNITED STATES and their Judaic controlled UCC legal fictions their head; this instead of Christ and his law. Christ’s law is protected by both the organic Constitutions (Articles and uS Constitutions) and even the Corporation UNITED STATES Charter 1871. In short, they left Christ as their head for the BEAST!

    Certain small Churches have returned to Christ and the Church I am involved is helping these Churches regain their Sovereign status. I am a part of the Church of America, although as any can see I still have sin. Christ Jesus is their head and they follow Christ’s law. They also recognize the truth of who we European/white peoples are physically (Israel/Judah). They know what makes the spiritual, ultimate and trump definitions of the terms Israel and Judah as well. They know about the fake “Jews” and give me absolutely no problems when I expose the enemy. Here is a link to their site if any are interested.

    http://thechurchofamerica.net/about_us.html At the bottom of the page is a video that explains in detail how the Churches were taken over and gives some info on how to “come out of her” my people!

  36. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 1, 2012 - 4:54 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: The arrival of you-know-who, with his amalgam of legalistic and pseudoreligious fantasy, signals the end of this thread’s useful life. When will FR begin baiting him, I wonder?

  37. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 1, 2012 - 5:07 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:
    I ask you to consider that when you publicly proclaim yourself a Christian and then do not even keep your word you do all real Christians a disservice. This is at least the second time you have promised to absent yourself only to appear in every thread.

  38. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    August 1, 2012 - 6:17 pm | Permalink

    @Riley DeWiley:

    Boulder, Colorado is full of “Jewbhus” (Jewish Buddhists) who are the single largest and most powerful ethnic/religious group in town.

    Most of the people who live there don’t even know they exist.

    Thanks a lot for sharing that.

    What you write doesn’t surprise me.

    I’ve never been to Boulder, but I’ve heard and read that it has a big New Age/Buddhist/Self-Help scene.

    And, like I mentioned in my previous two comments, Jews seem to be very over-represented in those movements. That’s what I have observed.

    It makes sense, too. Not only is there a lot of money being made by books/seminars/etc., but those ideologies seem to clash with traditional values and healthy families. At least that is how I see it.

  39. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    August 1, 2012 - 6:47 pm | Permalink

    I’ve read a number of books on Jewish conspiracy within the Catholic Church.
    It is amazing how easy it was for the Jews to gain hold of the church. But, IMO, the explanation for this ease is/was very simple, and that explanation is :
    By far , most of the church hierarchy does not really believe in Christ. Popes bishops cardinals etc.
    And , this lack of faith holds true for most of the Church in it’s entirety.
    While the Jews very much believe in their supremacist religion.

    The same can be said for all whites. Whites are not motivated and whites are with out a spiritual drive, so that it is easy for the jews to conquer them. Like candy from a baby.

  40. paschn's Gravatar paschn
    August 1, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Wow,
    Some very wise and well stated comments here!
    Didn’t a Rothschild infiltrate the Mormon church in the early 20th century by buying up all their bad debt for some crumbled land deals, “convert” himself and assume control of their leadership? In addition, could this infiltration, (if it did infact occur), have had anything to do with their referring to non members as “gentile”? I’ve had some people say they have read about it, but I haven’t verified it one way or the other. If you are aware of any info on this, please include it for me to “check out”.

    Thanks

  41. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    August 1, 2012 - 6:53 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    I would alter my above to add that Jews very much believe in their supremacist religion and/or they believe in their supremacy. They simply have the drive to win.

  42. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    August 1, 2012 - 6:55 pm | Permalink
  43. fender's Gravatar fender
    August 1, 2012 - 7:16 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    “It is amazing how easy it was for the Jews to gain hold of the church. ”

    Actually it’s not, since they invented the religion it’s in service to.

    They can infiltrate any movement that is not explicitly pro-White; hence why they never managed to worm their way into the NSDAP.

    This just goes to show why any future WN movement needs to be honest, fearless and bold in its declaration of advancing specifically White interests.

  44. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 1, 2012 - 7:29 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    You said::

    “I ask you to consider that when you publicly proclaim yourself a Christian and then do not even keep your word you do all real Christians a disservice. This is at least the second time you have promised to absent yourself only to appear in every thread. ”

    Answer:

    Oh I did, did I? Why don’t you prove to everyone you are not slandering me yet again by posting my words, citing the date time and thread, that I said what you say I did….. (tick tock tick tock)

    Don’t hold your breath folks….

  45. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 1, 2012 - 7:34 pm | Permalink

    @paschn:
    This is not precisely what you asked for but may be helpful.

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/105547/mormonism%E2%80%99s-occasionally-unrequited-love-israel

  46. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 1, 2012 - 7:37 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:
    No need, all regular readers know the truth – and we know that you don’t adhere to it – even by your own standards. You are outed.

  47. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    August 1, 2012 - 7:48 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: According to the book “The Ashkenazi Revolution” written by Kalman Katzenelson in 1964′s Israel, Jews are conquering Time and the eternity of their people. Not too much concerned with physical space (Israel is just strip in the desert).

    http://jewamongyou.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/the-ashkenazi-revolution2.pdf

    I recomment to read along side “The Jewish Strategy” of Revilo Oliver.

  48. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 1, 2012 - 7:49 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    An interesting tidbit, Israel has no problem with Buddist Jews, or atheistic Jews, only Jews who have converted to Christianity lose their right to live in Israel. That tells me they know who is really on the other side.

  49. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 1, 2012 - 7:56 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    If you check out the website of his “church” you see that it was founded only in 2008 and holds most of tiresome Tyron’s beliefs. We can savely assume that it is a kind of sect with all what that entails : fanaticism, narrowmindedness, imperviousness to reason, paranoia etc. in short the opposite mentality that is supposed to characterize our website. What it means to be “blessed” by the presence of one of the members of this sect we already have seen. That’s all I will say.

  50. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 1, 2012 - 8:00 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    It is amazing how easy it was for the Jews to gain hold of the church.

    It was amazing, all right, John, but it wasn’t easy. They started going at it hammer and tongs at the outset of the so-called Enlightenment. A program of active subversion that took essentially 200 to 250 years to win the substantial but still very limited ground it has gained is a program that has met with equally substantial and determined opposition. Pace fender and his disappointingly catty remark, the enemy will never gain his ultimate object. Barring the unforeseen direct intervention of Someone whom many of this site’s other readers and commenters simply don’t believe in, things within the Church will almost certainly grow much worse before I depart this life, but the groundwork for the counterrevolution is already in place, and it is slowly but surely gaining size and strength. Of this I have not the slightest doubt.

  51. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 1, 2012 - 8:07 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:
    Not savely, safely – now go ahead- make me look bad by telling me English is not your native language and I will have to skulk away.

  52. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 1, 2012 - 8:09 pm | Permalink

    @Mark White: Yes, to more and more Jews—virtually all the power brokers and an ever larger plurality of “ordinary” Jews—Israel is primarily a storefront operation, a distraction for the unwary from their grandiose plans of running every place on earth where you can set up a satellite dish or a cell phone tower.

  53. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 1, 2012 - 8:10 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    with all which that entails, not savely, safely
    I have another in moderation

  54. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 1, 2012 - 8:14 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: I quite agree. It’s a new-seeming racket, but beneath the surface the same old racket nonetheless. As Doctor Johnson said of Thomas Gray (Churchyard Gray, as even his contemporaries called him), it’s dull in a new way, and that makes many people think it great!

  55. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 1, 2012 - 8:17 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:
    It seems something of a stretch to assume that you know the innermost beliefs of the most of the Church hierarchy over hundreds of years. It is unquestionably true that power corrupts and it attracts the corrupted, but the Church has accomplished a lot of good despite that.

  56. mari's Gravatar mari
    August 1, 2012 - 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Tyson Parsons,

    As soon as I saw your name on the top of a comment I scrolled down and didn’t read a word. Hopefully other readers will skip over your nonsense and not fill up this thread with dozens of replies to you and your endless replies to those who doubt the truth of your tall tales.

    I have little interest in Christianity but; I have always thought that Catholics are the true Christians because they focus on the NT, the Christian part of the bible while the Protestants of every denomination are nothing but wanna be Jews obsessed with that collection of frauds, fantasies and falsehoods known at the OT.

    The early Calvinists, Knox’s followers whatever they called themselves, certainly the pilgrims and puritans etc etc all banned Christian feasts such as Christmas and Easter. Calvin banned even wedding rings when he was dictator of Geneva SWitzerland. Calvin, Knox and the New England puritans went so far as to ban warm food on Sunday and December 25 and had spies skulking around town sniffing for the smell of cooking food.

    As far as I can see, the modern Protestants consist of psuedo
    marxists liberals and gays. They are not Christian at all but White hating marxists who follow the liberal line as soon as the latest liberal thinking is released from the ministry of liberal propaganda.

    The rest of the Protestants called fundamentalists by the Christian hating Jews and liberal marxists are still, after almost 600 years still memorizing the Jewish part of the bible instead of the Christian part of the bible.

    The Southern Baptists have spent the years since the Haitian earthquake raising millions of dollars and sending thousands of unpaid volunteers who pay for their own transport, food and lodging to do rebuilding work in Haiti.

    That earthquake was the best thing that ever happened to Haiti. Between the US taxpayer, the anti White foundations and the hordes of marxist and S. Baptist volunteers no Haitian will have to do a lick of work for the next hundred years.

    I’ve always detested the mainstream Lutheran, Methodist etc Protestant because they have been anti White marxists for decades. But after encountering the OT bible babbling wanna be Jewihs fundamentalists on this and other WN websites, I detest them even more.

    If you are obessed with the OT and totally ignore the NT, stop calling yourself a Christian and convert to Judiasm. If you love the OT, you’ll love the Talmud and Torah more.

    There is no historical evidence whatsoever for the OT. No Egyptian, Greek, Syrain, Mesopotamian or other M. Eastern source mentions ancient Palestine. Most of the time it appears to have been some sort of possession of Egypt, Syria or Greece, too small and unimportant to be mentioned. Certainly Alexander the Great’s Greeks nor Egypt ever mentioned Jews or Judea or Israel.
    The first historical evidence is the Jewish revolts early in the
    Christian era.

    There is however some historical evidence of Jesus, his followers and the beginnings of Christianity. Roman historians Tacitus, Seronious and Pliny all mentioned Jesus as the founder of a heritical Jewish sect that grew enormously.
    All mentioned that he was executed when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea. Certainly the prosecutions which began first in Jerusalem when the Rabbis threw the first Christian bishop off the wall of the Temple and especially Nero’s 64 AD
    persecution including the mass burnings and crucifixions are all mentioned by those Roman historians.

    Tacitus wrote about 120 AD about Nero’s burning of hundreds of Christians. Pliny died around 79AD. So those 3 Roman historians were writing about people and events that occurred recently, unlike the fabricators of the OT who probably created their myths around 500BC when many Jews lived in Bablyonia known today as IRAQ

    There is

  57. European's Gravatar European
    August 1, 2012 - 8:24 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:
    Best Comment by far.

  58. Donkus's Gravatar Donkus
    August 1, 2012 - 8:24 pm | Permalink

    @Achaean: Esolen got it wrong. Most people get it wrong. These things are spiritually discerned.

    God Himself told the leader of the Church in Jerusalem, James, that non-Jews who follow Christ don’t need to keep the Law of Moses. Everyone is free to keep their own culture and race, and as long as they acknowledge the Savior and throw off the fake gods, you win paradise.

    This is basically proof that Jesus did not come to abolish race, as Esolen basically dances at, but to build His church. It does not matter that you are or aren’t whatever race in terms of salvation. It also doesn’t matter whether you are a man or woman. In no way does this mean race or gender are trivial. You already have God’s own stamp of approval to continue your genetic line. Any commentary going in the other direction, that is what is/should be considered trivial and disregarded.

    People used to understand this. I wonder what happened to confuse so many people about something so simple.

  59. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 1, 2012 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    What I find interesting is that so many around here think that a bunch of talking while doing NOTHING will solve the white man’s problems. Keep babbling all your Jewish theories as much as you like but unless you are empowered to actually do something, to oppose them- to stand against them OUTSIDE their jurisdiction, you are doomed. Say what you like, call me what you will, but the fact remains that Common Law courts are the ONLY lawful courts in America. The courts you see today are not common law courts so in order to keep up their fiction, they have to always provide a way of out- a lawful remedy.

    I already told you about secured party status so you might protect yourself. I have explained RuSA and the NS Governments that have been re-inhabited, but one must also know how to invoke the law of the land on their legal fiction tickets or other contracts if they try by force to make you acknowledge their de facto Judaic “authority”. The RCC is not going to save you- it has obviously been infiltrated as have all the Corporate 501c3 Corporation Churches in America. The Corporation UNITED STATES ain’t going to protect you and neither is the Judaic system it operates under. Sheesh, can’t you people see this yet? Here we are on the verge of another Bolshevik slaughter of the white man and all you people can do is talk nonsense about me.
    One must KNOW the law and how to use the LAW that trumps legal fictions. One does this (for example) by signing (if they make you against your will) any tickets etc “Without Prejudice UCC 1.207 / 1-308, all rights reserved but not limited to”. Why? Because they don’t even have the authority to give you tickets that enforces their Judaic fiction nonsense upon you UNLESS you consent!

    Most often, this alone will make them go away and drop all charges. If not, then one must learn Common/Christian/Constitutional law and how to handle themselves in these Judaic/UCC/Admiralty courts. When one signs the way I showed above they invoke the law that trumps their legalities.

    If you doubt that the courts are dominated by Talmudic influence or you do not understand why one MUST leave it to be free- to actually be able to DO something toward the defense of them self and white man, I present this…

    On March 20, 1991, Bush the Elder Passed Public law 102-14- MAR.
    “Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our, great Nation was founded; Whereas without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos; Whereas society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society; Whereas the justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of this Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these historical ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future;

    Whereas the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world; Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991: Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, “the rebbe”, this, his ninetieth year will be seen as one of “education and giving”, the year in which we turn to education and charity to return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws: and Whereas this will be reflected in an international scroll of honor signed by the President of the United States and other heads of state: Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled.”
    APPENDIX ONE105 STAT. 44 PUBLIC LAW 102-14-MAR. 20,1991
    Public Law 102-14 102d Congress Joint Resolution

    Since the “Jews” control this fiction you will never win inside it. What is USEFUL is the knowledge I am trying to provide inside the context of the issues presented in these articles. If one thinks that being under the RCC or any main stream protestant Christian church is the answer, they obviously do NOT understand the system, the law or legalities. They do not understand that the “Jews” run those Corporations.

    One must be outside their jurisdiction and the Church of America which is completely sovereign from the legal fiction system provides yet another layer of protection for the white man!

  60. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 1, 2012 - 8:57 pm | Permalink

    @mari:

    Just because I am explaining who we are physically, exposing the imposters; just because I defend creation from genesis, does not mean I am fixated on the OT and ignore the NT.

    If one goes to the link I presented concerning the CofA, they will understand. There seems to be no bounds to the ignorance of those who slam true Christianity, about Christianity.

  61. Hasbara Matata's Gravatar Hasbara Matata
    August 1, 2012 - 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Professor MacDonald reveals that he is just another Catholic anti-Semite, again. How exciting.

    Christianity has its origins in Jewish Messianism. It was later tailored to Gentile tastes and made to look Rome-friendly, particularly in the wake of the rebellion of 70AD. There is a whole lot of sophisticated scholarship– from academics with a lot more pedigree than California State Long Beach– explaining this. But apparently KMD continues not to understand, or is in typical Christian denial about it, for clearly he remains a staunch Catholic, which means he worships a Jewish tribal deity and his son a Jewish rebel-messiah; and he reads the Bible, which was written by and for Jews.

    He can pretend that that’s not the case, but he– and anyone else who does– is fooling themselves.

    Christian anti-Semites are anti-Semites because they aren’t quite clever enough to consciously realize that they have been duped, but still act out against the Jews who duped them. They are trapped in a box of gullibility and ignorance. So it usually comes with lots of ridiculous rationalizations: Christ wasn’t Jewish but an Aryan; the evil Jews of today were not the same Jews of Jesus’ day; the Catholic Church wasn’t as Jewy as it was until it was infiltrated fairly recently by crypto-Jews– that sort of nonsense. It’s like some sort of anti-Semitic borderline atheism oedipal disorder. I suspect there is an IQ threshold there somewhere, which someone like the poster Fender is fortunate enough to have crossed. But I digress.

    The processes that KMD describes in his academic work are directly applicable to the invention of Christianity: a propaganda creation of Jews resentful of Roman power; eventually morphing into a psuedo-Utopian, multicultural monster which brought that civilization down, which is exactly what Jews are working on for us, today, of course.

    Again I hope KMD will show the intellectual and personal courage he has shown elsewhere to reject the Judaism-for-the-Goyim that he every so often decides to defend on this website.

  62. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 1, 2012 - 9:08 pm | Permalink

    @Tom: The Incredible Scofield and His Book by Canfield
    http://torrentz.eu/78fa680887ae7ea84fc4c88f0657d8c52a8489ad

  63. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 1, 2012 - 9:23 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Vicomte Léon de Poncin’s Judaism and the Vatican
    http://torrentz.eu/37bfa57ae8cd9490f7b255e1de68350adab200bd

    Thanks for the comment and citation of the above author.

  64. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 1, 2012 - 9:24 pm | Permalink

    @Hasbara Matata: [yawn]

  65. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 1, 2012 - 9:24 pm | Permalink

    @Hasbara Matata:

    Really? The Christian God is a “Jewish” God? Anti semites you call us?

    Why is that the Ashkenaz are clearly listed in Genesis 3:10 as being from Japeth and not Shem?

    95% of the “Jews” are physically from Ashkenaz. 5% (“Sephardics”) are from Esau. Esau “Jews” outdate the Ashkenaz by some 800 years when they first adopted the Babylonian Talmud 125 years before Christ came when true Judaites conqured them (Edom/Esau) and absorbed them into the nation of Judah. If Christians or KMD are “anti semitic” and the Christian God is a “Jewish” God- EXPLAIN THIS!

    “Edom is modern Jewry.” – “Encyclopaedica Judaica”, 1925

  66. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 1, 2012 - 9:26 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I had no idea this was online! Thank you.

    Is Torrents safe to download? Does it take up a lot of hard-drive space?

  67. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 1, 2012 - 9:28 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:

    Correction:

    Why is that the Ashkenaz are clearly listed in GENESIS 10:3 as being from Japeth and not Shem?

  68. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 1, 2012 - 9:30 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: I agreed with your remarks—in an utterly anodyne comment that has been stuck in moderation for nigh onto ninety minutes now.

  69. Alex's Gravatar Alex
    August 1, 2012 - 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Jews infiltrating churches has to be the most evil thing that they have done. I can’t think of anything sicker than this.

    What is wrong with these people?

    Could it be that they are masochistic and subconsciously wish hatred and revenge upon themselves from other groups?

    Or maybe they have an unusually high rate of psychopathic genes in their blood, and as a group are prone to act out in the most negative and vile way possible?

    I really can’t understand these people. Observing Jewish behavior is like watching a crazy man begging others to beat him.

  70. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    August 1, 2012 - 10:23 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “An interesting tidbit, Israel has no problem with Buddist Jews, or atheistic Jews, only Jews who have converted to Christianity lose their right to live in Israel. That tells me they know who is really on the other side.”

    That’s interesting. Thanks for letting me know.

  71. Reality Check's Gravatar Reality Check
    August 1, 2012 - 11:20 pm | Permalink

    It could be the strategy “if you can’t beat them, join them…and then beat them” was applied.

    Indeed, Martin Luther said many unflattering things about Jews as did many Popes throughout the centuries. Of course that was before “The Jewish Century” when such frankness was not feared.

  72. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 2, 2012 - 12:05 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Far be it from me to endorse an illegal act. Smoky the Bear says infringement of copyright statutes is not “safe”, and I’ll always love and respect that guy.

    The Léon de Poncin file is a modest 12 MB. File-sharing involves contemporaneous up and downloading, quota used will always exceed the actual file size.

    As I understand it, torrents require software like Vuze or µtorrent to manage the sharing. Someone more technically competent might like to chime in.

  73. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 2, 2012 - 1:00 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Of course, if I correct others, others may correct me. I accept that. Only I would advise you to adopt my short way of noting :
    savely > safely
    all what that entails > all which that entails
    But thanks for the correction. This keeps the quality of this website high.

  74. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    August 2, 2012 - 1:25 am | Permalink

    @Richard:
    Richard, I have been around RamDas. He is Hi joo, not new age.

    In any case, some jews have turned from judaism to be
    Hi Joos and JooBoos

    jewhindu, jooboodists, Cheers

    Check at Amazon, jewish last names of writers on Buddhism.

  75. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    August 2, 2012 - 1:28 am | Permalink

    @Richard:
    Once there was a nasty drunk named Trungpa Rinpoche
    [see 'rick ross cult'/ 'dharmadhatu']

    He built an empire in Boulder, with his Naropa Institute. cheers.

  76. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    August 2, 2012 - 1:29 am | Permalink

    @Richard:
    ‘. Not only is there a lot of money being made by books/seminars/etc., but those ideologies seem to clash with traditional values and healthy families. At least that is how I see it.’
    When they rejected the Torah, they found the sutra.

  77. John Cameron's Gravatar John Cameron
    August 2, 2012 - 3:04 am | Permalink

    When it come to enabling Jews to subvert the political system, no group has been more influential (or as stupid) as have been the mainline Protestant churches.

    The mainline protestant churches have been under the thumb of Jews for well over a hundred years now. Fundamentalist churches, especially those in the south have suffered such domination for an even longer time.

    I have come to the conclusion that the fundamentalist church movements in the south were encouraged by Jews there using their leverage in the media. These fundamentalist movements were encouraged in order to get lower and middle class southern whites to continue to support Jewish dominated slavery and not be swayed by the increasing abolitionist sentiments that had started to infuse mainline northern Protestant churches, especially its powerful and well respected Episcopal and Presbyterian branches, as far back as the late eighteen century. Abolitionist sentiments only continued and increased in the early and mid parts of the nineteenth century. Southern Presbyterian and Episcopal churches were increasingly starting to come under pressure from their northern abolitionist peers. This must have increasingly worried the southern Jews. Hence the encouragement of fundamentalism with its concept of chosenness for you know who.

    Jews absolutely controlled the economies those states that were to make up the Confederacy. It was the Rothschilds after all that controlled the cotton cloth factories in England that the southern planters sold their cotton to. Jews also controlled the tobacco cartel in Europe which bought a huge amount of the southern planters’ production. Jews owned the ships that delivered these products to Europe and the north. Jews alone were also able, because of their connections to international banks, to provide capital for the largest plantation operations at low rates. (1) . This domination increased even more during the Civil War when normal sources of funding dried up. A white planter in the south was totally dependent on Jewish good will for his livelihood. He could simply not succeed without Jewish support.

    The Civil War was in fact largely a Jewish war contrived to maintain low cost cotton production using cheap slave labor. England and western Europe had cost Jews a large amount of profits ts by ending slavery using the the simple and peaceful expedient of paying slaveholders for their slaves. When this end of slavery came in Europe and its colonies labor costs rose significantly. Jews did not want this to happen again.

    When this technique for ending slavery by the US government buying the slaves was proposed it threatened to hurt Jewish profts even more. When asked to provide such funds Jewish bankers simply refused to provide the money to make this possible and Lincoln and those around him were forced to give up the idea.

    If anyone consider this contention specious, consider the curious case of the Jew Judah Benjamin, Rothschild agent and the so called “brains of the Confederacy.” During the final stages of the Civil War Benjamin had assumed almost czar like control the the Confederate government. After the war, he, out of all the Confederacy’s leaders, alone was accused of being directly involved in the plot to assassinate Abraham Lincoln and was forced to flee the US when this accusation became known. (He later claimed he fled because the felt he wouldn’t be able to get a fair trail here.) It is also claimed that he fled the US with what remained of the Confederacy’s gold supply of approximately $250,000. This was probably appropriate since most of this money probably belonged to the Rothschilds. Benjamin made his way to England where his subsequent rise to prominence, most likely with Rothschild sponsorship, was absolutely astounding. (2)

    Also consider the fact that Jews, who historically have been less than willing warriors (to say the least) were very active fighters in this one particular war. In fact they might have been significantly overrepresented especially among the front line officer corps. A little Googling will reinforce this entirely unique fact. Why were they so interested in participating in just this one particular war?

    The creeping domination of the mainline Protestant churches by Jewry after the Civil War can be seen later in the nineteen century when Jews got mainline northern Protestant ministers to join in their protests against what was claimed to be czarist antisemitic persecution. These naive ministers actually believed Jewish propaganda about non existent persecution for religious reason when in fact, from the Jewish assassination of Czar Alexander onward the police action against Jews was mainly directed against increasingly violent Jewish revolutionaries. Some of this hatred of the czar was strictly economic because of such things as the nationalization the previously Jewish controlled (and amazingly profitable) alcohol beverage business in Russia and its provinces by the czar’s government in 1896. Mainline protestant ministers were ready to believe every Jewish claim about various pogroms, many of which actually either never occurred or whose Jewish casualty lists were grossly over exaggerated.

    It was mainline protestant ministers who joined in with Jews to rail against President William Howard Taft for not abrogating a 1832 trade treaty the US had with Russia because of this supposed persecution of Jews in Russia. It was protestant ministers who joined in the chorus to force Russia to take back the overwhelmingly Jewish revolutionaries who had been forced to leave Russia after their failed 1905 revolution to forcibly take over the country. These Jews then fled Russia ended up mainly in the lower east side of New York City. (These very same emigres would return to Russia in 1917 courtesy of funds provided by Jacob Schiff to take part in the Bolshevik Revolution.) It was Protestant ministers who encouraged their flocks to forsake the incumbent President Taft and instead vote for Jewish tool Teddy Roosevelt in the election of 1912. this split the Republican vote and allowed the election of Jacob Schiff sponsored Jewish puppet Woodrow Wilson who would almost immediately pay back his sponsors by signing the legislation setting up the Jewish controlled Federal Reserve system.

    (1) A little known fact: The head the English Rothschild family was so vitally interested in the welfare of the Confederacy that he felt it necessary to take the great risk of running the Union blockage during the war in order to check on his southern holdings in person.)
    (2) Bernard Baruch was a product of this southern Jewish society. After leaving Savannah he migrated north for schooling and then, because of family (Rothschild) connections, was immediately accepted in the Rothschild dominated Jewish financial apparatus of New York City.

  78. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 2, 2012 - 5:26 am | Permalink

    @buff: “Political power comes at the barrel of a gun”.

    Just the right amount of glibness to fit in a fortune cookie, and still get the gormless nodding. Of course, Mao didn’t believe in his aphorism any more than any other demagogue – hence the strenuous efforts at “re-education” and consensus-building propaganda. Ideas count more than guns.

  79. Mike's Gravatar Mike
    August 2, 2012 - 6:23 am | Permalink

    Professor MacDonald advances our understanding again. Recall that Bella Dodd [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_Dodd ] told the US Senate about communist infiltration back in the 1950s. Her book is School of Darkness [ try http://www.abebooks.co.uk/ ]. It is out there. Also see Manning Johnson on Subverting Holy Mother Church [ http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/006/conspiracy2.htm ]

  80. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    August 2, 2012 - 8:17 am | Permalink

    Esolen is an example of someone sincerely trying to defend conservatism without realizing he has already conceded to liberals their foundational idea that cultural and racial differences are unimportant. He is reacting to the fake endorsement by postmodernists of cultural/ethnic particularities in favor of a Christian universalism. Instead of particularizing Christianity as a religion that is uniquely Western and White, he tries to find the roots of our current universalism back in the Bible, in the course of which he minimizes the differences between the Old and New Testament. He reserves for Jews only their particularity, while denying it for everyone else.

    Many conservatives have found themselves embracing liberal universalism in reaction to the postmodern celebration of “difference”. But postmodernists celebrate only the differences of designated minorities, recognizing their “group” rights within white cultures that are prohibited from having any group rights of their own. When postmodernists talk about “difference” in respect to whites they mean differences within the identities of individuals. They encouraged whites to interpret their particularity as a site of multiple identities, sexual traits, mixed racial genealogies, class lineages, etc; whereas non-whites were strongly encouraged to discover their group identities in relation to whites. In the end, once the group identity of whites is broken up, dispersed, and diluted irreversibly through miscegenation, the postmodernist envisions a world of anarchic fluid groupings without stable identities but all open and tolerant to mixtures, transference, and realignments.

    So, conservatives like Esolen (I would not say he is a Neocon point blank) are trying to bring up certain solid Christian values, framed in universal terms, as a way to coalesce some “Western” identity out of the postmodern realities currently driving our young minds; but he misses, or is careful not to dwell on the historical uniqueness of Christianity as a religion that was partly Jewish in its origins but then developed in a dramatically different direction from Judaism, becoming in its theological, literary, institutional essentials a Greek, Roman and German religion.

  81. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 2, 2012 - 8:34 am | Permalink

    @Achaean: Great triptych, yours. Thanks.

  82. Reality Check's Gravatar Reality Check
    August 2, 2012 - 9:04 am | Permalink

    @Adeimantus:
    Have the Jews made similar efforts to change the theology of Islam?

    Not sure about Islam nor Church of England either. But in the latter, it’s hard not to notice concession to the former, blatantly stating Sharia laws should be allowed in Britain. This seems odd that leaders of the indigenous religion with a long tradition would outright capitulate with neither struggle nor internal dissent to another, particularly one that has demonstrated intent of dominance and eventual dissolution of said indigenous established religion. It begs the question whether, ahem, there has been clandestine external effort, perhaps utilizing familiar arguments of multiculturalism, diversity and tolerance (as expressions of moral universalism which Dr. KM talks about).

    On a lighter note, I’d like to see what infiltration of Hinduism or Buddhism would be like :)

  83. August 2, 2012 - 9:32 am | Permalink

    I advise people NOT TO EVEN CONSIDER USING BIT TORRENTS as promoted here by ‘Trenchant’. You are liable to be left with virus-like hard-to-remove junk which may be spyware. Don’t to it. Find legit sources.

  84. alfred's Gravatar alfred
    August 2, 2012 - 10:36 am | Permalink

    @Richard: Buddhism exerts a major attraction to the likes of the tribe simply because there are some structural beliefs that are interestingly present in both pseudo cultures (remember the only true culture is the one who invented the wording,concept and art of such idea ie the ancient Greeks and I am not by the way Greek but “to Caesar what belongs to Caesar”) Anyway buddhism and jewish ‘religion” share more than we could be expecting such as nihilism(search for the absence of reasoning ,thinking and brain activity being as an interaction with nature during the exercise of “faith” thus destroying figuratively the idea of “Being”) , reductionism (search for the ultimate oneness but in this case the form of delivery is different between the two groups meaning that buddhists look for some kind of centrality within them by converging within and the jewish by converging consciously within the group as the chosen) , an overwhelming absence of any intelectual or artistic form of expression in any matter beyond these borders that would summon the “physis” or dominate our perception of nature abounding around us as seen in the Greek art and born-science bringing nature to the realm of the individual in a magnificent dance, and finally an absence of any possibility of abstraction ,or, in a more prosaic way , a platonic world of existence…I strongly disagree with some of the commentators here that wrongly emphasize some unexpected ability of the jewish kind to some sort of abstract works and achievements which has never been present in any occasion among them when they were in Palestine long ago building such nefarious endeavor as the jewish pseudo ethnicity which after all was the main cause of Christ’s appearance and it is the main message arising from his actions ….to bring down the exclusiveness of such ill minded endeavor…

  85. August 2, 2012 - 11:02 am | Permalink

    And because the said conversos descended from Jews have through great deceit taken and robbed great and innumerable quantities of maravedis and silver from our lord the king and from his rents and rights and taxes, and have destroyed and ruined many noble ladies, knights and hidalgos; and because they have oppressed, destroyed and robbed all the most ancient houses of the “Old Christians” of this city and of all the realms of Castile, as is well known; and in as much as during the time that they held public offices in this city and its environs, the greater part of the city was depopulated and destroyed and the land and places of the city lost and alienated, since they took all the maravedis in the form of rent and interest, to such an extent that all the goods and honors of the countryside were consumed and destroyed, becoming lords to destroy the holy Catholic faith and the Old believing Christians in it; and in confirmation of this it is known that the said conversos of this city a short time ago rose up and armed themselves and set out to destroy all the “Old Christians” and me, the said Pedro Sarmiento, throwing us out of the city and handing it over to our enemies….; (9)

    Therefore we find that we ought to declare and do declare that all the said conversos descended from the perverse line of the Jews, in whatever situation they may be…, be held as incapable and unworthy to hold public or private office in the said city of Toledo and in its lands, by means of which they would be able to hold lordship over Old Christians believing in the holy Catholic faith of Our Lord Jesus Christ and cause damage, injury, and to be incapable and unworthy of giving testimony and faith as public notaries or as witnesses…

    https://sites.google.com/site/canilup/toledo1449

  86. alfred's Gravatar alfred
    August 2, 2012 - 11:04 am | Permalink

    @Hasbara Matata: Seem that you are a enlightened man…and as such you ahve to accept some criticism as I would be glad too…given if that is a logical and sensible critics ..however some of your facts are not completely correct if I may state so..turning from a sheet whole such as Palestine and at that time there were not any idea of Nation-State, there were a lot of MINOR tribes which were a mixed sub ethnic groups with no significance for the vast roman empire…at the time a LOT of “religions” and “faiths”were trying to be the dominant one ….such was the situation….as the “christian” appeased the serfs and slaves which outnumbered at some point of time the Romans themselves given their peak of wealth you get that “Christians” overrun the competition…and at the same time with the NATURAL exhaustion of the empire(because empires tend always to short live and to disappear ) when time came and the Romans began to loose battle after battle , the remaining Roman mixed barbarian elite (a side effect when you turn to be an empire and bring about your periphery into your core as we are witnessing now in USA) that was ruling decided very cleaver to adopt and spread the “message” using religion as a tool to PRESERVE the remaining territory under their hands(see the SACRO ROMAN GERMAN EMPIRE)..that it is…no ELITE really believed or was willing to observe the so called “religion”…it was a political tool…only that…they saw that the populace was already domesticated by such beliefs and took to new heights by building a effective machine of worship made upon “faith” and no sword…that is the surviving measure that Rome and the remaining Romans did…

  87. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    August 2, 2012 - 11:32 am | Permalink

    @Hasbara Matata:

    Excellent post.

    It seems that this blog is dominated by adherents of that famous Jewish apocalyptic cult, including Professor MacDonald himself.

  88. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    August 2, 2012 - 11:43 am | Permalink

    Again we see the fundamental weakness of the ideology of Western universalism when in competition with a group that rejects a similar ethic.

    Notice how Professor MacDonald blames Western universalism, rather than Christian universalism, even though he just finished writing a paragraph describing how Jews “infiltrating” the Catholic church had exploited the universalist teachings of Christianity to make the Catholic church more hospitable to Jewish converts.

    I think Professor MacDonald’s agenda is pretty clear. He constantly criticizes Whites for their universalist egalitarian ideas, yet defends a Jewish created universalist egalitarian religion like Christianity.

  89. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    August 2, 2012 - 11:48 am | Permalink

    I guess this would be a good time to remind all you believers in the Joshua Messiah cult that the New Testament says that race, ethnicity, sex, and social class don’t matter and don’t exist:

    For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile–the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
    - Romans 10:12

    For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body–whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free–and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
    - 1 Corinthians 12:13

    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
    - Galatians 3:28

    Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
    - Colossians 3:11

  90. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 2, 2012 - 12:09 pm | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.:
    Your profound ignorance of the history of Western culture is breath-taking! Please name one major institution in the west which has not been infiltrated by Jews.

  91. Faustus's Gravatar Faustus
    August 2, 2012 - 12:45 pm | Permalink

    I do not know how KMac continues to hit the ball out of the park, and consistently hits the most valuable and strategic qualities of our White Nationalist struggle.

    The potential ‘conflicts’ between the religious and secular elements within WN’sm should never preclude the honest working relationships between the two; Traditional Catholics are much more aligned with us than, let’s say, protestants in general, and as both groups perceive Tradition as being the center-piece of our individual world-views, there is no reason that we cannot balance the two for the betterment of our future and that of our children.

    Thanks, again, for your diligent and cogent work on behalf of our People.

    Let me add, that we need many more such comments and analysis in the real world, in public discussions, and political venues; there are many others like Dr. MacDonald, and I would encourage them to show the same courage as he.

  92. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 2, 2012 - 12:46 pm | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.:

    You said

    “I think Professor MacDonald’s agenda is pretty clear. He constantly criticizes Whites for their universalist egalitarian ideas, yet defends a Jewish created universalist egalitarian religion like Christianity.”

    Answer:

    No one is disputing that the RCC and Protestant sects have been infiltrated by the “jews- right? I do not see KMD disputing any of this.

    True Christianity is both Universalist and Nationalist. Much like the function and principals applied to the heart inside is a body is the same as a kidney, but this does not mean that the heart should combine with the kidney or any other organs with one another.

    It is egalitarian and race specific. Egalitarian in the sense that there are different races and all principals should be applied equally but not in the sense that the major ethnic groups ought to race mix. The overriding principal in all things is in his will which is summed up as love-spirit trumps all physical notions/laws.

    Examples of this are as such;

    The blessings of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob go to the NATIONS (Ethnos-plural) they will end up making. Universalist in the sense that all laws and principals espoused are applied equally to all individuals and nations alike as HIS NATIONS of HIS PEOPLE (ethnos) spread HIS word to the entire WORLD made up of other nations-races.(it is about how not to be a hypocrite and yet set an example to the world).

    It is Egalitarian in the sense that ALL PEOPLE(individuals of any race) and all NATIONS (not of his stock) are allowed to join as equal heirs IF they adopt Christ through faith in belief and his word (laws) in the spirit (intent). Egalitarian in the sense that marrying those of the same basic stock is ok (Israelite white Joseph married a white Egyptian) but marrying outside one’s basic stock is forbidden in the physical law (Esau married a Canaanite which is one of the major reasons God hated Esau and he lost his birthrights).

    In order to judge what America is to be, one has to go to their founding documents and then interpret these documents by way of the author’s intent. The same principal applies when one wants to figure out what true Christianity entails. Having said that- explain these two passages if true Christianity has “Jewish” roots- is a “Jewish” invention;

    Hebrews 8:8
    8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

    9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

    10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

    Obviously, this shows that the those who would accept Christ, in truth, would be of his ethnic stock and that we would be able to see this by way of those who held to his principals having been programmed inwardly (genetically if you will) to express Christ’s law outwardly.

    Then there is this gem. In Rev 2 and 3, out of the 7 churches in Revelation that Christ both chastises and exalts, ONLY 2 Churches does he have nothing bad to say about. These two are Smyrna and Philadelphia. The one thing they both have in common to which Christ denotes nothing of the same attributes to the others he speaks to can be summed up in this single verse;

    “9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

    He goes on explaining that Smyrna and Philadelphia must hold onto their crown (declaring the truth of who the real Israelites and fake Jews are) and that some will be put to death, others not, but that all of them will rule with him in the Kingdom to come.

    In summary, obviously it is a mistake to try and pin down and criticize Christ’s teachings, let alone as them being “Jewish”.

    Obviously white/European folks are of his ethnos (Ethnic nations) and obviously the “Jews” are neither of his stock, nor did they invent Christianity. If this was so, why is it that the “Jews” HATE true Christianity more than anything on this earth? Why do they keep on murdering us throughout the world?

  93. Andrew Joyce's Gravatar Andrew Joyce
    August 2, 2012 - 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Readers should take note that until very recently Rev. Giles Fraser was a very senior figure in the Church of England, and was pushing quite a radical agenda in terms of supporting gay marriage etc. Fraser is a circumcised Jew by his own admission. Google “Giles Fraser Jewish” and you will see how Jewish ethnic identity need not be troubled by Christianity. This weary old oak has succumbed to rot. As a vehicle for the redemption of the West, it is beyond hope and rescue.

  94. Paul's Gravatar Paul
    August 2, 2012 - 1:51 pm | Permalink

    The most scholarly and well-documented books on the Vatican II, especially on the influence by non-Christians and Jews, are published by Tradition in Action (TIA). These are highly recommended http://www.traditioninaction.org/books.htm

    As an example, the book “Animus Injuriandi – II (Desire to Offend) notes the following in the first chapter, on the section titled “Homage to and Eulogies of the Jews” (worth quoting):

    “Disregarding the doctrinal and historic hostility the Jews have always had for our Religion, in the Declaration Nostra Aetate Vatican II lamented the previous conduct of Holy Mother Church toward the Hebrew people. This was tantamount to asking pardon from the Jews. At the same time, this Declaration laid the ground work for an “absolution” of the crime of Deicide, even though the Jews had never denied their responsibility for the crime. From Nostrae aetate to this day, both Pontiffs and official representatives of the Holy See have demonstrated an increasing eagerness to have closer ties with the Jews without asking them to renounce their anti-Catholic perfidy. Such is the case of John Paul II, who, speaking to the leaders of the Jewish association B’nai B’rith calls them “friends” and “brothers.” He supposes the relationship between Catholics and Jews to be a ‘dialogue between the first and second part of the Bible’ and pays ‘deep respect’ to the Jewish identity, professing an ever increasing respect for the differences between Judaism and Holy Mother Church. To justify such great respect for the enemies of the Church, John Paul II appeals to a ‘mysterious spiritual bond’ which, through Abraham, supposedly links the Catholics and the Jews, without taking into account Our Lord Jesus Christ…(pp. 81-82).” Once again, these chapters and sections are very well-referenced.

    By the way, SPLC has been attacking and condemning all of these scholarly publications by TIA http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B098_SPLC_1.html Does this sound familiar?

  95. Solly's Gravatar Solly
    August 2, 2012 - 1:56 pm | Permalink

    To Hasbara Matata 1 Aug 9:03 pm OK, we understand what you disdain. But – what do you support and believe in?

  96. August 2, 2012 - 3:03 pm | Permalink

    @ Andrew Joyce –
    Spurred on by your comment, I googled ‘Church of England Jews’ and found (inter alia) the Council of Christians and Jews – founded in 1942, apparently based in Manchester. It’s hosted on an ‘Anglican and Episcopalian’ website, which is designed to resemble the Church of England’s site, even using the logo, despite claiming not be be official ‘in any way’.

    Reminds me of the huge list of Jewish groupd in the ‘Jewish Year Book’. Many, many pages of the cult fanatics.

    As you say, the old oak is beyond hope.

  97. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 2, 2012 - 3:21 pm | Permalink

    @Solly:

    Note that Pope john Paul II called the “Jews” elder brother. He was dead on when he said this since Esau (who lost his birthright) is the elder brother of Jacob (Israel/Judah), those who actually hold the birthright. Esau was given a “token” blessing by Isaac which states ”
    Genesis 27:

    36 And he said, Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright; and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing. And he said, Hast thou not reserved a blessing for me?

    37 And Isaac answered and said unto Esau, Behold, I have made him thy lord, and all his brethren have I given to him for servants; and with corn and wine have I sustained him: and what shall I do now unto thee, my son?

    38 And Esau said unto his father, Hast thou but one blessing, my father? bless me, even me also, O my father. And Esau lifted up his voice, and wept.

    39 And Isaac his father answered and said unto him, Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above;

    40 And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.

    41 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob.

    *And they have been at this every since they broke the yoke and now have their short time of dominion until the true Lord returns.

    Benedict called the “Jews” “our fathers in the faith” because the “Jews” disliked the elder brother label that rightly identified them as Esau.
    http://www.mercatornet.com/justb16/view/8362/

    Here we see the beginning of the combining of Judaism with the RCC-Protestants so as to bring about the collection (false) of the tribes under one head.

    There is a false coming before the true. This false collection is nessesary because out of this will emerge the true unification of the 12/13 tribes signified by those who oppose this abomination in the future.

  98. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    August 2, 2012 - 3:38 pm | Permalink

    @Achaean: Thanks for your comment on Esolen.

    Esolen adheres to the same mistake so many Christians do, what you might call an historical “bait and switch.” He fails to recognize that there was a schism 2,000 years ago between Jesus and the Pharisees and that Jesus and his followers went one way and that the pharisees and their followers went another. Today’s Christians have at least as great a right historically and philosophically to claim to be the true heirs to the Abrahamic covenant as do the people who still call themselves Jews and are the heirs of the pharisees.

    How can one naively assume that the teachings of Christ and the pharisees can be reconciled when even today rabbinic Judaism is so obsessed with the fulfilling the form of the law to the exclusion of adhering to its spirit? This cannot be done without first making submission to the intellectual dishonesty that today’s Jews are of the same religious stock from whence Christ sprung.

  99. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    August 2, 2012 - 3:41 pm | Permalink

    @alfred:

    “The western civilization is a greek roman civilization with a faith based upon the New Testament rather than the old testament and far beyond the real conceptual basis upon which it is based, a platonic one.”

    Spot on. Christianity is incomprehensible and just plain silly without first recognizing that it was offering a completely universalist weltanschauung removed from the tribalism and chauvinism of the Old Testament.

  100. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    August 2, 2012 - 3:48 pm | Permalink

    @Ketsanee Sriwanna:

    The jews in Spain were expelled as they have been historically.EGYPT,Rome, etc.

    FYI, the Jews weren’t expelled from Spain because they were Jews, they were expelled because they weren’t CATHOLIC. Everyone who didn’t convert, Jew or Moor, was expelled. There’s a huge difference between expelling people because they’re Jewish and expelling people because they refuse to adhere to the national religion.

  101. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    August 2, 2012 - 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Whatever one’s stance on Christianity (and I can understand more than one view on this), the Bible does have a verse which, if applied universally, makes clear that liberal racial policies are forbidden:

    “You shall surely set him king over you, whom the LORD your God shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set king over you: you may not set a stranger over you, who is not your brother.” — Deuteronomy 17:15

    If a ethnic alien cannot have political power, then the entire political process would logically need to be set up to preclude the possibility of him attaining such power: his political participation would have to be severely limited, if not totally denied him. There’s no egalitarianism here!

  102. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    August 2, 2012 - 3:54 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    An interesting tidbit, Israel has no problem with Buddist Jews, or atheistic Jews, only Jews who have converted to Christianity lose their right to live in Israel. That tells me they know who is really on the other side.

    Rabbinic, talmudic or phariseeic Judaism is at its root a cultural and historical response to Christianity. It had its beginnings as the anti-Christianity more than anything else.

  103. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    August 2, 2012 - 3:56 pm | Permalink

    @John Cameron: The Protestants are the main enablers of the jews today, this is totally clear.

  104. Mother Trucker's Gravatar Mother Trucker
    August 2, 2012 - 4:22 pm | Permalink

    “. . .Ideas count more than guns. . .”

    Word can exist without sword, but sword cannot exist without word.

  105. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    August 2, 2012 - 4:23 pm | Permalink

    I wonder what Paul of Tarsus would have written about the Jews and their continued role in salvation history had he lived to see the destruction of Herod’s temple. Something very different from what’s come down to us, I imagine.

    (In the interest of full disclosure, I am not a believer and think the writings of Paul no more divinely inspired than (or as divinely inspired as) the 6th Symphony of Beethoven or Bach’s St. Matthew Passion.)

  106. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    August 2, 2012 - 5:03 pm | Permalink

    The problem with Americans, when they talk Christianity, is that they are simply cannot grasp the scale and history of the Catholic Church. Their own experience of ‘church’ is so comically parochial that they can easily overstate the significance of individuals especially anyone born in the last 200 years e.g. Johannes Oesterreicher. Most Catholics, I know, have never heard of him. Heck, if Blair declares proxy wars on behalf of Israel and then converts unchallenged to the Catholic faith, who cares about an “Oesterreicher”? The point being it is our own people ‘converting’ to the Faith and not the Jews who are the issue. A measure of the mess is that an alarming statistic reveals that 85% of Catholic converts are now lapsing within 4-5 years of entering the Church. The criminal Blair is living proof of the failure of modern catechetics.

    I attended the first session of a 50th anniversary Vatican II conference recently and even brought a non-Catholic friend. He of the self-hating WASP variety but who is happy, like so many Englishmen, to turn down his nose on his fellow Europeans. I experienced little evidence of Jewish infiltration and am unaware of it being a factor since John XXIII’s disastrous council. Anyway, the event was awful although the American attendees were so friendly and charming. It was the execrable Q&A after a mildly interesting Australian paper which proved to be the “tell”: old men from both sides of the pond talking inanities. I despair.

    This is not one of Kevin’s better articles and I prefer Trudie Pert’s insights into the German role in the destruction of the Catholic Church in the post-War World i.e. it was our people who did it upfront without any need for infiltration or plots by modernists, Jews or masons. They did it because everybody else was doing the same thing. The same morality as a Tour de France doper: “Cheat or be cheated” said Floyd Landis. The Catholic Church started doping like all other institutions. As for poor Landis, the last I heard of him he was being laughed at on late night shows by Jewish chat show hosts.

  107. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    August 2, 2012 - 5:28 pm | Permalink
  108. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    August 2, 2012 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    @John Cameron:

    Protestants are under no obligation to anyone except Jesus Christ. Unlike Roman Catholics we only need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved—we are under no other obligation! Protestants do not believe that a man can work his way into heaven—salvation is a matter of faith in Jesus Christ.

    In the Protestant churches, the clergy do not have an elevated status, every man is his own priest, able to read the Bible and draw their own conclusions.

  109. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    August 2, 2012 - 5:34 pm | Permalink

    @Mark White:

    Take a look at any Jew agenda item vote in Congress, and you will draw another conclusion. The Catholics in Congress will vote against their own Catholic interests to support the Jew agenda.

    It wasn’t Protestants in Congress forcing Catholic institutions to accept Obamacare birth control mandates—it was Catholics & Jews!

  110. conversos's Gravatar conversos
    August 2, 2012 - 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Clearly Urban White Emigrants who came in with the Jews , were allies against the Wasp establishment; and these were mainly southern europeans, , Irish, and Poles, Catholics. And many of the new protestant zionists, come from this same wave of” whites” from the PIGS countries (spain, italy, greece Ireland etc). Once American turned from Northern European farmer stock to shanty grifter Hannity OReilly -land, the ship was lost.
    But it first needed the killing of 10 million Germans and the Morgen stein plan to finish America off.

  111. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    August 2, 2012 - 6:21 pm | Permalink

    @90404:

    Hi 90404

    You wrote:

    “Richard, I have been around RamDas. He is Hi joo, not new age.”

    I don’t know what “Hi joo” means — does it mean “Hindu”? Because I think that’s what Ram Dass is. I think he converted when he visited India in the 60′s.

    I know I lumped him in the New Age category, which was somewhat unfair.

    But there does seem to be some overlap. Some of the Western teachers of Eastern religions seem New Agey and sort of watered down — more interested in making money than helping people.

    Maybe that’s not fair. I’m not an expert on these issues. Just sharing my thoughts as I see them.

    (And to clarify — I’m not even saying that I dislike Ram Dass.)

    Anyway, your comments on T.O.O., although short, are usually interesting to me.

  112. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 2, 2012 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    @Mark White: The truth of your follow-up to Mr. Cameron’s equally true original comment can be seen, for instance, even in the bilious response he got from Tom, who, in common with a great many other skin-deep American Protestants, thinks that when Our Lord said “pick up your cross and follow Me,” He meant that cheering Him on from the sidelines would suffice for salvation.

    I needn’t wonder how Luther, Calvin, or even Thomas Cranmer (not to say Cromwell) would react to Tom. I already know.

  113. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 2, 2012 - 6:49 pm | Permalink

    @buckle: Not to disparage Trudie Pert’s wonderful articles in the slightest, my friend, nor indeed your praise for them (which I heartily seconded then and do again now), still, I do think you’re being just a bit tough on KM—assuming, that is, that I have read this article aright. I take its principal raison d’être to be informational; namely, here is a book by a certain John Connelly, it says such and such and contends thus and so. It’s of interest to me [KM], and I think it might be of interest to you, the site’s readers. And so on.

    If you saw my comment higher up the stack, you know that I am quite as unimpressed as you are by Connelly’s analysis—at least, what little I know of it. I, too, would far rather be introduced to stuff that promises to be rather less drivelly, but given the relative proportion of dross and gold published nowadays, we probably ought to set the bar pretty low to minimize the inevitable dyspepsia.

  114. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 2, 2012 - 6:53 pm | Permalink

    @Tom:

    Side note:

    Look at the Corporation UNITED STATES Supreme Court. All Catholics and the rest (4) “Jews”. Not a member of the founding stock (WASP) and faith (Christian Protestant) left even though traditional believers and stock are still about 65% of the population.

  115. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 2, 2012 - 7:12 pm | Permalink

    @Felix: In the specific circumstances of late 15th–early 16th century Spain, you draw a distinction without a difference.

    The original intention was not to expel the Jews at all. The astonishing number of authentic conversions produced by the preaching of Saint Vincent Ferrer (died 1419) contributed to an extraordinary wave of hope that, even though the Jews had actively worked for the Mohammedan invaders and their descendants and against the true Spaniards, they might still be brought round and, even if they didn’t convert, might become harmless neighbors. (The hatred the Jews have for Saint Vincent’s unparalleled success may still be seen, for example, in the vicious lies of the Pretend Encyclopedia’s article on him.)

    It was an illusory hope, of course, as virtually all such throughout history have been. But even then, as you must know, true conversos were not to be expelled; and in that regard, it must be said, the harshness of the Inquisition has been grossly exaggerated, since it is obvious that a great many perjurious Marranos who should have been banished or executed were permitted to remain.

    So in point of fact those expelled were expelled for being Jews, if only because someone’s being a Jew meant that he was (1) an active enemy of the nation, (2) one who had given the nation’s active enemies material aid and comfort, (3) a traitor to a monarch to whom he was obliged to swear allegiance, (4) a perjurious enemy of the Faith with whose existence the nation was bound up, or (5) some combination of the foregoing.

  116. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 2, 2012 - 7:39 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Have you actually read any of his stuff? If so, your gag reflex is a lot stronger than mine. His titles alone are offputting.

    I saw him on C-SPAN2′s Book TV maybe ten years ago flogging this very book in front of what seemed to be a Hadassah group or something essentially indistinguishable from it. He was all smiles, of course, and laying it on pretty thick. Still, for this audience, nothing is ever enough. One yenta got up and in virtually so many words told him that all the Jews he was lavishing praise on were actually the Hebrews of biblical times. What about us? Are we just chopped liver, or what? I could barely control my laughter—at least, that is, until with almost no hesitation he began applying his lips to the proffered backside.

    But who am I to point the finger? He’s got half a dozen best sellers to his credit, and I am worrying whether I can afford to buy the good Greek yogurt this week.

    As an addendum, what bugged me most of all about Cahill was that he pronounced his fine, historic Irish name in the debased American fashion—that is, as Kay-hill—rather than in the real Irish way—Kyle.

  117. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 2, 2012 - 7:51 pm | Permalink

    @Felix:
    Thanks, I never thought of it that way. In truth, every venture into Jewish history is difficult for me. It is such an ugly, hate filled story.

  118. fender's Gravatar fender
    August 2, 2012 - 8:00 pm | Permalink

    White nationalism becomes much simpler- and more effective- when Christianity is removed from the equation entirely. I don’t know why WN’s talk about it to begin with; the jews invented it to weaken their Roman masters. It was the original communism. Let the religion die a natural death.

    And please, TylerRobertParsons, don’t reply to this. I don’t read your posts.

  119. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 2, 2012 - 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Life and people are not perfect. All institutions, including the least likely, the military, have been corrupted by Jews. It is good and wise to examine all the ways in which all sectors of Western Civilization have had vulnerabilities. However, this self-indulgent venting of old quarrels between this country or that, or Catholics vs Protestants can only lead to one answer. We are too quick to blame each other instead of taking responsibility for our own errors and getting about the business of defining the largest possible tent and building white loyalty. When we have solved the immediate problems I will be happy to debate the evils of the late unpleasantness with all comers. Please remember when we fight they profit.

  120. mari's Gravatar mari
    August 2, 2012 - 8:22 pm | Permalink

    John Hearns

    Your idea that the Jews began to infiltrate the Christian Church centuries ago makes a lot of sense when one considers the early Protestants with the exception of Henry V111. Luthor, Knox, Calvin, the Babtists, all of them discarded the NT and took up the OT claiming that they wanted to return what they considered the “true church” whatever they claimed was going on in 40AD.

    A reasonable analysis of the early Protestants would lead any objective observer to conclude that it was nothing more than a hidden Jewish infiltration of the Church.

    But, despite what bigots like Tom and Tyler think, the RCC has truly triumphed over the Lutherans, CofE, Presbterians, Methodists, Puritian descendants and the rest.

    The RCC has more than one billion believers, more than Islam even. the Lutheran church has disappeared even in Scandinavia and Germany where it is a tax supported state religion. More Catholics got to church in England than the Anglicans go to the state religion the CofE.

    In America the Lutherans, Presbterians, Methodists, Church of God, Unitarians, Episcopalian ad infitum have very few members. They are dying Churches. They get virtually no money from the donations of the faithful anymore because their are so few faithful.

    Most of the Protestant Churches of America are supported by federal, state and local goverment grants and grants by AJC, ADL, SPLC, ACLU, Ford and other liberal foundations too numerous to name.

    The money is given to the Protestants to bring in hundreds of thousands of african, arab and Latin American indians to live off the taxpayers welfare and become another criminal disfunctional underclass. The average IQ of African Americans is 85, bad enough.

    But the Protestants are bringing in hundreds of thousands of native born africans with average IQs of 65. And they get affirmative action jobs. If you thought the American blacks who run every goverment office are dumb, just wait till they are replaced by ethopians with IQs of 62.

    The RCC gets a lot of goverment money too. But the RCC runs about 65 percent of all hospitals and many medical and nursing schools in this country and many excellent universities. These are all fit and proper reciepients of goverment money.

    I’m not a Catholic. I have been to Catholic services and the mawkish psuedo hippie services are just embarassing. Those old gray haired hippies with their guitars who can’t play and can’t sing, no wonder no one goes to Catholic churches any more.

    If I ever started going to Church I would go to a Russian, Greek, Armenian, or Egyptian Catholic Church. They are goegeous inside and I’m sure they don’t have those embarassing services.

    If any anti Catholic bigot like Tyler and Tom ever get to S. California check out the new Catholic cathederal in the Los Angeles civic center. Ghastly, horrible. It will fulfill all your hatred and viciousness against the RCC.

    The building itself is indigenous vernacular S. California architecture, a big beige box. It even has those hideous cheap looking walmart long white vertical blinds in some of the office windows.

    But the real horror is the decorations and furniture. Nothing but hideous modern/aztec mayan type c*ap. The entire thing is designed to show the world that hispanic indians with their average IQ of 82 or 87 depending on how much White ancestry they have are taking over California.

    For another treat walk a few blocks to the main train station and check out not the main west entrance but the east entrance. It is new. It is similiar to the Cathederal. It has a huge mural celebrating the takeover of California by primitive stone age indians from the remote jungles and deserts of S. America.

    I read Dr. McDonalds books along with other books exposing Jew’s anti White goy agenda decades ago. It was nothing new to me. I was already aware that much of FDR’s administration was communist Jews. I was aware that Senator McCarthy was right and the liberal Jews who trashed him for telling the truth was wrong.

    I noticed early on that almost all the attorneys involved on the anti White side of the affirmative action lawsuits were Jews. I knew that pro criminal organizations like ACLU and National Lawyers Guild were Jews as was the NAACP leadership right up until the early 1970′s.

    But this website is really not the White goyim fighting back
    against the genocidal Jews who would like to do to us what they did to the Russians from 1919 to the present time.

    And what do I find every day I look at this website?

    OT obessed bible blabbing protestant bigots spewing a lot of hatred and falsehoods against the RCC. I know Tyler is basically insane. But who is Tom? For someone who is supposed to be a White Nationalist I find his hatred and loathing of thr Irish, one of the Whitest of all White ethnic groups and nationalities absurd. After all , they are among the fairest skinned and highest percentage of blue eyes of all the White nationalities.

    To a casual reader, it would appear that Tom is the last remaing member of the 3K located somewhere in 1930′s Iowa or Nebraska where there were no Jews or blacks but a substantiel population of German and Irish Catholics who were doing much better financially than the local Protestants which gave them the chance to burn crosses in front of RCC churches and the local Catholic schools whose students did much better on the state tests than did the anglo saxons and scotch irish who went to the public schools.

    A more sensible opinion of Tom is that he is an ADL SPLC Jew whose job is to make Occidental Observer look like a 3K revival. For the past couple months the comments ignore the enemy of all White goyim from atheist to Christian clergy and has deteriorated into anti Catholic bigotry by OT obsessed Protestants.

  121. mari's Gravatar mari
    August 2, 2012 - 8:26 pm | Permalink

    This is a reply to al the anti Catholic bigots who are destroying this website.

    Your idea that the Jews began to infiltrate the Christian Church centuries ago makes a lot of sense when one considers the early Protestants with the exception of Henry V111. Luthor, Knox, Calvin, the Babtists, all of them discarded the NT and took up the OT claiming that they wanted to return what they considered the “true church” whatever they claimed was going on in 40AD.

    A reasonable analysis of the early Protestants would lead any objective observer to conclude that it was nothing more than a hidden Jewish infiltration of the Church.

    But, despite what bigots like Tom and Tyler think, the RCC has truly triumphed over the Lutherans, CofE, Presbterians, Methodists, Puritian descendants and the rest.

    The RCC has more than one billion believers, more than Islam even. the Lutheran church has disappeared even in Scandinavia and Germany where it is a tax supported state religion. More Catholics got to church in England than the Anglicans go to the state religion the CofE.

    In America the Lutherans, Presbterians, Methodists, Church of God, Unitarians, Episcopalian ad infitum have very few members. They are dying Churches. They get virtually no money from the donations of the faithful anymore because their are so few faithful.

    Most of the Protestant Churches of America are supported by federal, state and local goverment grants and grants by AJC, ADL, SPLC, ACLU, Ford and other liberal foundations too numerous to name.

    The money is given to the Protestants to bring in hundreds of thousands of african, arab and Latin American indians to live off the taxpayers welfare and become another criminal disfunctional underclass. The average IQ of African Americans is 85, bad enough.

    But the Protestants are bringing in hundreds of thousands of native born africans with average IQs of 65. And they get affirmative action jobs. If you thought the American blacks who run every goverment office are dumb, just wait till they are replaced by ethopians with IQs of 62.

    The RCC gets a lot of goverment money too. But the RCC runs about 65 percent of all hospitals and many medical and nursing schools in this country and many excellent universities. These are all fit and proper reciepients of goverment money.

    I’m not a Catholic. I have been to Catholic services and the mawkish psuedo hippie services are just embarassing. Those old gray haired hippies with their guitars who can’t play and can’t sing, no wonder no one goes to Catholic churches any more.

    If I ever started going to Church I would go to a Russian, Greek, Armenian, or Egyptian Catholic Church. They are goegeous inside and I’m sure they don’t have those embarassing services.

    If any anti Catholic bigot like Tyler and Tom ever get to S. California check out the new Catholic cathederal in the Los Angeles civic center. Ghastly, horrible. It will fulfill all your hatred and viciousness against the RCC.

    The building itself is indigenous vernacular S. California architecture, a big beige box. It even has those hideous cheap looking walmart long white vertical blinds in some of the office windows.

    But the real horror is the decorations and furniture. Nothing but hideous modern/aztec mayan type c*ap. The entire thing is designed to show the world that hispanic indians with their average IQ of 82 or 87 depending on how much White ancestry they have are taking over California.

    For another treat walk a few blocks to the main train station and check out not the main west entrance but the east entrance. It is new. It is similiar to the Cathederal. It has a huge mural celebrating the takeover of California by primitive stone age indians from the remote jungles and deserts of S. America.

    I read Dr. McDonalds books along with other books exposing Jew’s anti White goy agenda decades ago. It was nothing new to me. I was already aware that much of FDR’s administration was communist Jews. I was aware that Senator McCarthy was right and the liberal Jews who trashed him for telling the truth was wrong.

    I noticed early on that almost all the attorneys involved on the anti White side of the affirmative action lawsuits were Jews. I knew that pro criminal organizations like ACLU and National Lawyers Guild were Jews as was the NAACP leadership right up until the early 1970′s.

    But this website is really not the White goyim fighting back
    against the genocidal Jews who would like to do to us what they did to the Russians from 1919 to the present time.

    And what do I find every day I look at this website?

    OT obessed bible blabbing protestant bigots spewing a lot of hatred and falsehoods against the RCC. I know Tyler is basically insane. But who is Tom? For someone who is supposed to be a White Nationalist I find his hatred and loathing of thr Irish, one of the Whitest of all White ethnic groups and nationalities absurd. After all , they are among the fairest skinned and highest percentage of blue eyes of all the White nationalities.

    To a casual reader, it would appear that Tom is the last remaing member of the 3K located somewhere in 1930′s Iowa or Nebraska where there were no Jews or blacks but a substantiel population of German and Irish Catholics who were doing much better financially than the local Protestants which gave them the chance to burn crosses in front of RCC churches and the local Catholic schools whose students did much better on the state tests than did the anglo saxons and scotch irish who went to the public schools.

    A more sensible opinion of Tom is that he is an ADL SPLC Jew whose job is to make Occidental Observer look like a 3K revival. For the past couple months the comments ignore the enemy of all White goyim from atheist to Christian clergy and has deteriorated into anti Catholic bigotry by OT obsessed Protestants.

  122. mari's Gravatar mari
    August 2, 2012 - 9:11 pm | Permalink

    I watched a documentary on the WACO murder of more than 80 American citizens by the FBI, ATF and feminazi marxist Janet Reno today.

    Does anyone know if David Koresh was a Jew?

    Interesting about feminazi Reno. She murdered more than 20 children. Some were burnt to death. Others were shot by their Mothers so as to spare the children the horrors of death by burning the worst death possible.

    But she made her Florida and then national reputation when she was a district attorney by vigorous prosecution of child abuse. Most convictions were overturned or the convicted later pardoned because the prosecutions were based on false evidence.

    One of the worst miscarriages of justice was a married couple. The wife ran a little day care center. The husband was accused of rape, child molestation etc by Reno. The wife was kept in the county jail for more than a year to force her to give false testimony against the husband. It turned out that the husband had never touched a child in his wife’s care.

    Tens of thousands of dollars of legal bills which they could never pay, almost 2 years in jail for the wife and a ruined life for this couple. And then marxist feminazi Reno orders the murder of more than 20 children by burning and gets away with it.

    Clinton never even forced her to resign.

    The documentary was preceded by the Jin Jones Guyana massacre. Seems both leaders and their followers were fanatics about the OT.

    Any of you wanna be Jews obsessed with the OT ever read the book of Dinah? 2 tribes shared the same oasis and water supply. Dinah was a daughter of the Jewish sheik. The son of the goy sheik noticed Dinah when she went with the other girls to fetch water.

    The Jewish sheik came up with a plan. It was the same sort of plan the Jews came up with in Russia in 1918, genocide.
    The Jewish sheik opened negotians with the goy sheik about a marriage between Dinah and the boy. The Jewish sheik orderd Dinah to be all dressed up and not wear her veil and flirt with the goy. He arranged a dinner party for the 2 families. He ordered Dinah to flirt with the boy and entice him.

    The Jew sheik demanded as part of the marriage contract that the goy men be cricumcised. The goy sheik agreed. I guess that even then that the middle easterners blindly followed the orders of the sheiks and warlords.

    The mass circumcision was scheduled before the marriage.
    The deed was done. Mass infection set in as was usual. Few died from the infections but it was well known to the Jews that for several days the circumsisee was very sick and bed ridden.

    The Jews waited until all the goys were sick and slaughtered them all including the boy who hoped to be married to Dinah. Then they slaughtered the women and girls, the boys all have been circumcised and slaughtered.

    And that is just one of the OT stories the protestant commenters are obsessed. If one did a computer analysis of the OT I am sure that the word most often used would be
    SLAY slay the enemy, go back and slay the survivors, have you slain the little ones? No!! slay the little ones as well as the adults.

    On and on the OT goes. Lie, cheat steal and slay the non Jews. Jesu Christo, what a religion, and what kind of Christian
    spends his or her life memorizing the endless tale of chicanery and murder.

    The OT is a myth created around 500 BC in Iraq by Jewish propagandists. These things never happened. But just read the OT and how the Jews treated every goy they encountered and you will realize how deeply the OT fantasies reflect Jews opinions and intentions toward the goyim.

    The goyim of course includes every Ot obsessed protestant in the world.

  123. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    August 2, 2012 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    When a ‘Jew’ gets interested in ‘all things Indian’ they are Hin Jew
    [get it?].

  124. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    August 2, 2012 - 9:52 pm | Permalink

    Richard, once upon a time [back in the 70s] Public Radio had an Eastern religions Sunday ‘live on the air with ramdas’ etc show.
    One Rabbi groused that ‘so many jews are joining Hindu and Buddhist groups’ and got equal time on that show [well, 2 hours] to implore the Hin-jews and Jew-bhus to return to judaism.!!!
    UhVey! He wanted them back. Lots of Jews have turned to Eastern religions. If you doubt me, look at the names of the writers of books on those 2 religions.
    Far as ‘Noo Age Nonsense’ I am not as well versed. EST was started by Rosenberg [see 'Outrageous Betrayal, the story of Werner Erhart', book is out of print].

  125. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    August 2, 2012 - 9:55 pm | Permalink

    @mari:
    2 brief comments.

    According to a Jew, L.A. Jew charities wont help her, they will ONLY help jewish immigrants!
    And I met a Viet gal, she said her whole family had lived in a Church in the south after they left Vietnam.

    Clearly the jews are wiser, i.e., dont import those who are anti the hosts ethnic group!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  126. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 2, 2012 - 10:09 pm | Permalink

    @mari: Since I myself spend a good deal of time getting hot and bothered about the matters you write about, mari, you have my sympathy, my support, and a lot of agreement.

    I think, though, that both of us—perhaps I even more than you—need to be a bit more careful to avoid getting carried away in passionate albeit justified reaction. You know that I’m no fan of Tom’s, but I have to admit that he’s written a good many clever things; some insightful ones, too. I just wish he didn’t have this horrid blind spot, which he worsens immeasurably by feeding and watering it and refusing to expose it to the disinfectant properties of sunlight and oxygen. Even so, I don’t believe he’s consciously working for the enemy—at least I haven’t believed it thus far, even in my angriest moments. (I suspect that at least some of the time you don’t believe it either.)

    Nor do I think that in his hostility he is genuinely representative of the majority of serious Protestants who frequent this site. Most of them suffer the betrayal of their churches as bitterly I do that of mine. Two such I can name for whom I have the very highest esteem are Vlad Writes—who would, I suspect, write much more for TOO were he not busier with something far more urgent: raising white Christian children with the sound principles that society’s Tribal overlords are trying to crush beneath their heel—and Scooter, one of the very first at this site to address me as a true friend. He bid us all farewell about a year ago now, for much the same reason that keeps Vlad busy. I hope Scooter still reads these threads sometimes, and I hope that I and we all don’t disappoint him more often than not!

    Alice Teller and other smart and sensitive people never cease repeating that there is far too much “self-indulgent venting of old quarrels” on these threads. I do not see how this and other such statements can be seriously contested. No one, of course, does well or does right to sacrifice deeply held principle merely for the sake of getting along, but principles arrived at without proper formation of the mind and heart are frequently as bad as unprincipled savagery. Thus, the task is twofold: attaining sound interior formation and then using that formation to cooperate to the fullest extent possible with others who oppose, first, the disfranchisement and then the genocidal elimination of the people of whom we are part.

    (In this way, as in many others, Professor MacDonald is a shining and not infrequently heroic example of what any of us might be and do if only we’d put our mind to it.)

    If we can manage to do these things, I’m sure we’ll still be able to find time to abuse one another verbally, whether justifiably or not!

  127. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 2, 2012 - 10:24 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Your wish is not granted and my comments to your drivel are not directed at you solely.

    “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.”
    ― Karl Marx

    Comment:

    We live in a Communistic America and OH BOY ain’t things great in this atheistic, communistic, secular humanist society? Any moron should be able to see we are on the verge of another Bolshevik slaughter as we teeter on the precipus of collapse. Thanks alot man! YOu just keep giving and giving and goin us all SOO much good, you suicidal lunatics!

    Listen to what Marx says anti Christs out there:

    “Christ represents originally: 1) men before God; 2) God for men; 3) men to man.

    Similarly, money represents originally, in accordance with the idea of money: 1) private property for private property; 2) society for private property; 3) private property for society.

    But Christ is alienated God and alienated man. God has value only insofar as he represents Christ, and man has value only insofar as he represents Christ. It is the same with money.”
    ― Karl Marx, Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844

    Marx- Jew leader of the anti Christs- declared a holy war against God, Christ, Christianity and the WHITE MAN and WE are living the results of what YOU continue to defend!

    To do away with Christ is to commit suicide because by default you put yourself in the enemies camp.

    Nuff said….

  128. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 2, 2012 - 10:28 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    You see why we love you! Does this mean we are on for the replay of Damn Irish Catholic Immigrants vs Noble Southern Men of Honor and Valor as soon as we are done here?

  129. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 2, 2012 - 10:38 pm | Permalink

    @mari:

    You said

    But, despite what bigots like Tom and Tyler think, the RCC has truly triumphed over the Lutherans, CofE, Presbterians, Methodists, Puritian descendants and the rest.

    Answer:

    Remember these words: pride cometh before the fall! The RCC has teamed with the “Jews” to stay on top. They now oppose Christ and their time, like the Esau “Jews” is coming to an end. THANK GOD TOO- enough of these goddy whore looking anti Christ’s with gold adorn all over their bodies, sitting on chairs with upside down cross’ as they wave their hands at the crowd as if they are Christ on earth telling us- “to be poor is blessed” as they are dressed better than any negro pimp on his best day!

    All these Corporation whores (City of London-Vatican City-DC-controlled by the “Jews”) are seeing their last days. You may think you have triumphed, but you’re just reaching your harvest peak and you’re too blind to see the writing on the wall.

  130. Random's Gravatar Random
    August 2, 2012 - 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Notice how Professor MacDonald blames Western universalism, rather than Christian universalism, even though he just finished writing a paragraph describing how Jews “infiltrating” the Catholic church had exploited the universalist teachings of Christianity to make the Catholic church more hospitable to Jewish converts.

    Right. In contrast to the idea that there is some “real Christianity” that is good for Whites, and that it’s only the “apostate church” is bad for us, the situation is actually the reverse: the Bible is a bunch of universalist, philo-Semitic garbage, and the only “good” forms of Christianity are those that basically ignore the Bible in practice.

    The general rule is: the more Biblically-based a form of Christianity is, the worse it is for White people.

  131. Random's Gravatar Random
    August 2, 2012 - 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Christianity = the philo-semitism of the OT + the universalism and “last shall be first” degeneracy of the NT.

    The best thing to do is to get rid of this sick religion that the jews created and forcibly imposed on us. Any “good” form of Christianity that one comes up with will always be vulnerable to “subversives” coming along and insisting on a straightforward interpretation of the Bible.

  132. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 2, 2012 - 11:57 pm | Permalink

    @Rerevisionist: The only free cheese in life sits on the trap, so goes the old saw; old, plump mice and empty traps are not uncommon, on the other hand. Valid point, however.

  133. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 3, 2012 - 12:11 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: The ADL, I suspect, wouldn’t know how to calculate to pay for wit (if it went over readers’ heads, what then?). Volume is at least legible.

  134. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    August 3, 2012 - 2:54 am | Permalink

    @mari:

    I agree with so much. It’s not always clear, however, that the poor and those of low IQ prefer ugliness as in LA’s “Taj Mahony”. I have seen African students (OK they are the bright ones) from Manchester University, England admire the liturgical beauty taking place in the wonderful 19th century, neo-gothic Catholic church (now fledgling Oratory) within the poor student quarter of the City. A church paid for by Irish immigrants who worked the cotton mills during the UK’s industrial golden age. Said Africans seem particularly struck by the altar servers – the British at their best – all pomp and circumstance are these young men!

  135. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    August 3, 2012 - 3:07 am | Permalink

    @Random: You are not suggesting that Alexander the Great was a Christian, are you?

  136. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    August 3, 2012 - 3:15 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    The same bigotry exists in Europe. This despite evidence that it was Swedish blonde haired banksters who ripped off their neighbours in the Baltic. In the same way that the Icelandic variant ripped off their own then laundered the money through the “Vatican controlled” (LOL) City of London via property deals and soccer club ownership. It is interesting to note also how many American Jews are now buying British soccer clubs in addition to Chelsea’s Roman Arkadyevich Abramovich. It’s stright out of Michael Corleone’s Las Vegas “move” in “The Godfather” but what the heck? If Hollywood tells me it is the Italians who are the gangsters then it must be so!

    We understand (BTW) that some in the Baltic are concluding that they were better off under the Soviet Jews. Although to their credit, the Lutheran Icelanders are showing some cojones in refusing to bow down to their blonde haired creditors from the UK and Holland.

  137. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    August 3, 2012 - 4:20 am | Permalink

    ”If you really believe in a universalist Christianity where nothing matters except religious belief, then you shouldn’t be upset if a subset of former Jews [i.e., the New Christians] continues to marry among themselves and retains its ethnic coherence, as long as their beliefs are sincere.”

    The problem with that line of reasoning is the New Christians are in effect saying that, for them, something else matters besides their new religious belief.

  138. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    August 3, 2012 - 7:21 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: The focus was to expel anyone who wasn’t Catholic, which is why the expulsion effectivey fell equally on both Muslims and Jews who did not convert.

  139. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    August 3, 2012 - 7:32 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I think it would be more accurate to begin calling what we now know as Judaism “Talmudism,” instead.

    When we say Judaism, when we refer to the moden, rabbinic religion, people blindly think it’s the religion that Jesus followed. What he adhered to died almost 2,000 years ago and was replaced by a cardboard cutout cobbled together by the pharisees. Hence, the term “Talmudism” would be more accurate and reflect that today’s Judaism is not part of the tradition that Christ followed.

    Well meaning Christians should stop refering to the followers of Talmudism as our older brothers in the faith and call them, if they want, our step-brothers in the faith, instead.

  140. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    August 3, 2012 - 7:35 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Yes, sadly, I read the first three. I reached my limit after his bad-mouthing of the Greeks, whose invention of Western Civilization he had already accredited to his beloved Hebrews, with his inane theory that Abraham, ne Abram, was transformed by Y-HW-H into the first Modern Man, psychologically speaking. If it may lessen my penance any, however, I merely borrowed his books from my local libraries; I did not contribute directly to Mr. Cahill’s copious coffers, through my local bookstores, nor through the Amazon Leviathan, or the like.

  141. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    August 3, 2012 - 7:55 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    ERRATUM: In double-checking, just now, I see that I actually had missed a volume in Mr. Cahill’s “Hinges” series. I have never read his book on Jesus’ influence on Western Civilization, which actually came before his book on the ancient Greeks. Mea maxima culpa!

  142. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    August 3, 2012 - 8:15 am | Permalink

    Our friendly Hasbara Matata wrote:
    “Professor MacDonald reveals that he is just another Catholic anti-Semite, again. How exciting.”

    The term “anti-Semite” is a Jewish term, mainly used by individuals of that persuasion (as an epithet in the attempt to silence opponents). In actuality, an “anti-Semite” is someone the Jews hate, and this appears to be the case with the Professor. Is the Professor “Just another Catholic anti-Semite”? I would suggest that on the contrary, he would appear to be an outstanding, preeminent Catholic that the Jews hate.

    “There lot of sophisticated scholarship– from academics with a lot more pedigree than California State Long Beach”

    If pedigree equated to the value of scholarship then Stephen Jay Gould of Harvard and Ashley Montague of Columbia could be trusted with their research on race. But unfortunately, our Ivy League schools are rife with nimwits cranking out some of the most retarded drivel one could imagine.

    “clearly he remains a staunch Catholic, which means he worships a Jewish tribal deity and his son a Jewish rebel-messiah; and he reads the Bible, which was written by and for Jews.”

    If the Christian Bible is so Jewy, why do Jews hate Christianity with such a poisonous passion? Why do they strive so ardently to rip Christianity out of the public square? If Christianity and Catholicism is so “good for the Jews”, then why don’t they promote it through the media?

    I for one like my tribal deity, and revere the God of my fathers, and am proud of the role Christianity played in expelling the Jews from Western Europe, as well as its central role in the development of our Western civilization.

  143. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    August 3, 2012 - 8:16 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I assume (without having watched it) that this was the presentation that you meant: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/TheGif

  144. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 3, 2012 - 8:49 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: Good heavens! Was it really fourteen years ago? The pain seems fresher.

  145. August 3, 2012 - 8:57 am | Permalink

    @mari – I was impressed by your comments (and also that you were aware of the Jewish race-replacement & dumbing-down policy many years ago).

    What are your views on
    [1] ‘Invention’ of Christianity with codification the ‘the Bible’ c 250 AD?
    [2] The idea that Roman Catholciism was NOT Bible-based? I remember some time ago being puzzled by Hilaire Belloc calling Protestants ‘Bible Christians’ – he seemed to think the bishops etc din’t make use of the Bible, and implied that’s why they kept it in Latin and opposed translations
    [3] When R Catholicism dominated Europe – or at least was a layer or elite not unlike Jews now – is there an anology of the Reformation being a movement to get rid of this layer? Maybe Jews parasitized and corrupted the ideals, just as with e.g. socialism, democracy, justice etc? I have heard that Calvin was in fact Cohen; and Zwingli (same name as ‘James Randi’) sounds Jewish.

    I was brought up/ taught myself to be a ‘rationalist’, i.e. to analyse all this. For example there’s quite a subculture of Jesus-never-existed people. I’m conscious that this movement in Britain was controlled, or heavily influenced, by Jews, who were/are anti-Christian but make every effort to avoid any sort of comment against Jews.

    This is maybe off topic, and off the main thrust of this site – maybe we could continue by email – I’m on comment@big-lies.org

  146. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 3, 2012 - 9:07 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: I’m not going to suffer through all this rubbish again, of course, nor would I counsel you to do so. But I did jump ahead to the question period, where I discovered that the question I mentioned was asked by a man rather than a yenta. (Oy veh, the ravages of time and age! There ought to be hate crime law!) Cahill’s response, however, was quite as fawning and obsequious as I remembered it.

    Well, fortunately, I can at least still tell which sex the image at the start of Michael Colhaze’s new article portrays.

  147. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 3, 2012 - 9:29 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: Yes, libraries do serve a purpose—an ever more debased one, alas, since, tax-funded as almost all libraries now are, they are become little more than instrumentalities of our Tribal rulers.

    The New York Public Library of my childhood, adolescence, and young manhood was a horse of a different color, fortunately. Being a private institution open to a largely homogeneous and largely ethical public, it eschewed all the near and plain-as-day pornography that crowds the shelves of today’s libraries, thereby making room for all sorts of books that political correctness now consigns to the reading room of your local Chick-fil-A (I better add a ***JOKE ALERT*** here before the corrections start pouring in). The local library was also a safe and quiet place, because black and Hispanic miscreants were unceremoniously shown the door.

    Apropos those miscreants, I wonder whether their later ruinous admission to the libraries contributed to those institutions’ financial undoing. I know that they stole over half of the books from the library across the street from my Catholic grammar school a decade or so after I was gone from the neighborhood, and even before then, they were notorious for never paying lateness fines. If I or one of my schoolfellows was late by ten days or so, a call went through to the principal of my school. No one who ever suffered the consequences of one of those calls risked them a second time!

  148. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 3, 2012 - 9:46 am | Permalink

    @Felix: Come, come, my friend. The Muslims were the enemy, the lineal descendants of half a dozen different groups of Arab and Berber invaders. They were, with few if any exceptions, true monsters of oppression, and they deserved to be treated as the decadent scum that they were. Out with them all!

    I’m sure that a handful of converts were permitted to stay, especially in the twelfth through the fourteenth century, when most of the Reconquista took place. But since conversion away from that satanic and pornographic false religion is almost invariably met with a death sentence, conversion of Muslims has sadly been an extremely rare occurrence.

    The Jews, as I wrote above, were in a different situation. But there’s nothing to be gained in belaboring this matter further, since we have no real argument with each other. The true point, I think, is that whatever has happened in the intervening centuries, the Siglo de Oro, as the consequence of the expulsions ordered by the wise Spanish monarchs, ought to remain an object of esteem and instruction for all white loyalists, whether Christian or not.

  149. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 3, 2012 - 9:51 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: You’ve just spilled the beans on your past—you were a tech roadie with a heavy metal band, weren’t you? Hence, your concern with volume über alles!

  150. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 3, 2012 - 9:54 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: How about Sunday afternoon? I’ll bring my replica of Stonewall Jackson’s sword.

  151. August 3, 2012 - 10:08 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: From where I sit, Trenchant, you look like yet another type of troll, posting suspect links so that people reading this site may get entrapped. I hope you’re not.

  152. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 3, 2012 - 10:20 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Better make it Saturday, I do not trust myself to avoid profanity on the Lord’s Day on such a subject. Meet you at the secret tree house.

    Incidentally, I came by this wisdom the hard way. I had perfected my pitch to Protestants on all the reasons why veneration of the Saints and statues was neither idolatry nor polytheism when the Church ordered the statues removed from the churches. We really do misunderstand each other.

  153. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 3, 2012 - 10:25 am | Permalink

    @Random:
    Please explain how the Jews “forcibly imposed” Christianity upon us?

  154. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 3, 2012 - 10:47 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Just so, sadly. That’s one of the several reasons why most Trads consider Vatican II the council of the (impermanent) triumph of subversion.

  155. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 3, 2012 - 10:59 am | Permalink

    If we are all sufficiently demoralized by our game of ‘Johnny did it first’ perhaps we can look at some good news. This article uses not one politically incorrect phrase, but if given serious thought it leads to the same position we hold in all essentials. Experts and Virtuosi

    If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

  156. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    August 3, 2012 - 11:14 am | Permalink

    @Adeimantus:

    That’s from the book of Deuteronomy, you idiot.

    In case you weren’t aware, Deuteronomy is a part of the Jewish Tanakh, the “Old Testament”. It is not part of the Christian New Testament.

    The Tanakh(“Old Testament”) teaches racial particularism and supremacism (for Jews).

    The New Testament preaches racial egalitarianism and universalism (for Christians).

    Congratulations for not even understanding one of the fundamental differences between Judaism and Christianity.

  157. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    August 3, 2012 - 11:16 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Please name one major institution in the west which has not been infiltrated by Jews.

    Why would Jews have any need to “infiltrate” something that they themselves created?

  158. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 3, 2012 - 11:20 am | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.:
    Are you suggesting that the Jews are responsible for the creation of all our major and minor institutions?

  159. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    August 3, 2012 - 11:32 am | Permalink

    You “pro-white” Christians are aware that Jesus, if he is historical, was most likely an anti-Roman Jewish revolutionary associated with the Zealot movement, right?

    So you “pro-white” Christians are practicing a religion based on the worship of an ancient anti-Roman Jewish Zealot insurrectionist.

    Think about the implications of this.

  160. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    August 3, 2012 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    No. I was referring to Christianity. Christianity originated as a Jewish apocalyptic and/or revolutionary sect.

    YOU’RE ALL GONNA DIE! HOW THE JEWS KEPT FAILING TO
    PREDICT DOOMSDAY AND CAUSED CHRISTIANITY INSTEAD

    http://www.richardcarrier.info/doomsday.pdf

  161. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    August 3, 2012 - 11:39 am | Permalink

    The Gospel of Peter: from Jesus the Zealot to Jesus Christ

    http://www.eclectica.org/v7n3/rogers.html

  162. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 3, 2012 - 11:57 am | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.:
    Warning! Clicking on the link provided by ZOG resulted in a frozen computer!

    What a sad opinion you have of your ancestors. For two thousand years the best and brightest of or men have been devoted to Christianity and its truths. It has inspired and supported the greatest art the world has ever seen. It has sustained and inspired our ancestors as they conquered the world and gave us the best standard of living the world has ever seen. It has inspired our men to honor woman and motherhood in a way unequaled by any other civilization. Life is not perfect. Only a child would whine and complain because their ancestors have not bequeathed them a perfect world. Let me know what you plan to do about it when you grow up.

  163. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    August 3, 2012 - 12:54 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Yes, you are correct. We have no real quibble. I always enjoy reading your incisive thoughts.

    I threw out the idea to suborn the popular misconception that the monarchs of Spain kicked out the Jews (Talmudists) because they were Jewish. To kick everyone out who doesn’t conform to one’s belief is different than kicking out one specific group that doesn’t conform to one’s own beliefs.

    But, I guess this is another example of the Talmudists always focusing on their own travails exclusively, instead of choosing to see it in its true more accurate context.

  164. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 3, 2012 - 1:04 pm | Permalink

    @Folks

    So tell me, you who are anti Christ’s here, what is wrong with Jesus’ word’s? humm?

    Lets take these sayings of his for example

    “For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

    “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

    What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul.”

    Concerning Rome and Jesus- let us see what Pilate had to say about Jesus..

    This is a reprinting of a letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar describing the physical appearance of Jesus. Copies are in the Congressional Library in Washington, D.C.

    TO TIBERIUS CAESAR:

    A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him. At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews. One day I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions! Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he seen in the works of all the philosophers anything that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble and to address the people. This unlimited freedom provoked the Jews — not the poor but the rich and powerful.

    Later, I wrote to Jesus requesting an interview with Him at the Praetorium. He came. When the Nazarene made His appearance I was having my morning walk and as I faced Him my feet seemed fastened with an iron hand to the marble pavement and I trembled in every limb as a guilty culprit, though he was calm. For some time I stood admiring this extraordinary Man. There was nothing in Him that was repelling, nor in His character, yet I felt awed in His presence. I told Him that there was a magnetic simplicity about Him and His personality that elevated Him far above the philosophers and teachers of His day.

    Now, Noble Sovereign, these are the facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and I have taken the time to write you in detail concerning these matters. I say that such a man who could convert water into wine, change death into life, disease into health; calm the stormy seas, is not guilty of any criminal offense and as others have said, we must agree — truly this is the Son of God.

    Your most obedient servant,
    Pontius Pilate

  165. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 3, 2012 - 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Folks,

    If true Christianity is so “jewish” and a threat to the white man- Please explain WHY THIS – from majority Christian populated nations!

    Persecution or Prosecution?
    Areas from which the Jews have been banished over the last 2,000 years
    Year AD City/State
    250 —— – - – - – - – - – - – - -Carthage
    415 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Alexandria
    554 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Diocèse of Clermont (France)
    561 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Diocèse of Uzès (France)
    612 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Visigoth Spain
    642 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Visigoth Empire
    855 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Italy
    876 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Sens
    1012 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - -Mainz
    1182 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - -France
    1182 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - -Germany
    1276 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - -Upper Bavaria
    1290 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - -England
    1306 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – France
    1322 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – France (again)
    1348 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Switzerland
    1349 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Hielbronn (Germany)
    1349 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Saxony
    1349 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Hungary
    1360 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Hungary
    1370 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Belgium
    1380 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Slovakia
    1388 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Strasbourg
    1394 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Germany
    1394 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – France
    1420 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Lyons
    1421 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Austria
    1424 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Fribourg
    1424 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Zurich
    1424 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Cologne
    1432 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Savoy
    1438 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Mainz
    1439 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Augsburg
    1442 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Netherlands
    1444 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Netherlands
    1446 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Bavaria
    1453 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – France
    1453 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Breslau
    1454 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Wurzburg
    1462 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Mainz
    1483 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Mainz
    1484 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Warsaw
    1485 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Vincenza (Italy)
    1492 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Spain
    1492 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Italy
    1495 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Lithuania
    1496 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Naples
    1496 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Portugal
    1498 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Nuremberg
    1498 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Navarre
    1510 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Brandenberg
    1510 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Prussia
    1514 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Strasbourg
    1515 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Genoa
    1519 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Regensburg
    1533 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Naples
    1541 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Naples
    1542 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Prague & Bohemia
    1550 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Genoa
    1551 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Bavaria
    1555 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Pesaro
    1557 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Prague
    1559 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Austria
    1561 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Prague
    1567 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Wurzburg
    1569 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Papal States
    1571 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Brandenburg
    1582 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Netherlands
    1582 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Hungary
    1593 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Brandenburg, Austria
    1597 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
    1614 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Frankfort
    1615 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Worms
    1619 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Kiev
    1648 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Ukraine
    1648 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Poland
    1649 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Hamburg
    1654 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Little Russia (Beylorus)
    1656 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Lithuania
    1669 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Oran (North Africa)
    1669 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Vienna
    1670 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Vienna
    1712 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Sandomir
    1727 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Russia
    1738 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Wurtemburg
    1740 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Little Russia (Beylorus)
    1744 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Prague, Bohemia
    1744 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Slovakia
    1744 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Livonia
    1745 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Moravia
    1753 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Kovad (Lithuania)
    1761 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Bordeaux
    1772 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
    1775 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Warsaw
    1789 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Alsace
    1804 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Villages in Russia
    1808 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
    1815 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Lubbock & Bremen
    1815 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
    1820 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Bremen
    1843 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Russian Border Austria & Prussia
    1862 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Areas in the U.S. under General Grant’s Jurisdiction
    1866 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Galatz, Romania
    1880s – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Russia
    1891 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Moscow
    1919 — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
    1938-45 – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Nazi Germany

  166. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 3, 2012 - 1:38 pm | Permalink

    @Felix: I am finally getting your point! Sorry it took me so long. Just as you say, the expulsions were not acts of hatred or plain dislike. They were a response to centuries of ever-renewed provocation, subversion, and open rebellion.

  167. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    August 3, 2012 - 1:40 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I would like to come to the tree house as well. I fancy that when it comes to love of our people and natural intuition, you, Jason, Pierre, a few others and myself, are birds of a feather. Maybe we are the kids-cum-grownups in some Stephen King-esque story. Let’s hope it’s a happy ending.

  168. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 3, 2012 - 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Nostra Aetate has to be interpreted in the light of Tradition and while many – especially Jews – have described N.A. as a radical change it is no such thing.

    It did NOT change ONE THING in Catholic Doctrine.

    Perhaps Prof McDonald will tell us what was changed in Catholic Doctrine without conflating Doctrine and Ecclesiastical legislation

  169. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 3, 2012 - 3:01 pm | Permalink

    I wonder how many know that Dom Prosper Gueranger in, The Liturgical Year,” described Pentecost as “The Jewish Pentecost?”

    Prolly not even one knows that but few take the time to read Ecclesiastical History and so they are ripe for racial plucking.

    It is Catholic Doctrine that any form of racism is a serious sin and the reality that “Jew” in the New Testament meant, as E. Michael Jones has shown, and act, not a race has been poorly understood by most.

    When Abram was called by God he was a gentile (don’t tell anyone) and , as the First Pope, Saint Peter taught, We Catholics are a new nation (Ist Peter); that is, we are the New Israel and all of these racial games are a delight to Satan for there is neither Jew nor Greek in the new israel.

    White Supremacy is as evil as black supremacy or Jewish supremacy

  170. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 3, 2012 - 3:56 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    You are always welcome, Mickey! There are more of us here than meets the eye at first glance. I am heartened that we seem to be getting new voices who makes sense, I just hope they are not driven away by the haters.

    To be fair to the young, they have good reason to be angry, and heaven knows they were not properly educated to think things through but I hope that ever harsh words will help them to sharpen their skills.

    I agree that at times our lives have a nightmare quality, but we are not alone in this. There are a lot of folks out there who will never use our vocabulary but who cannot escape the ugliness of the world around us. The question is will we welcome them and form alliances or in true Judaic fashion find some fatal flaw in all and drive them away as impure?

  171. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 3, 2012 - 4:15 pm | Permalink

    @buckle:
    Well, we have been killing each other off for quite some time now. The problem is not that we a flawed creatures, but that we don’t always pick our own fights.

    In my experience it is not really religious issues which divide us – it is the fact that they make such handy labels for cultural differences. Believe me, in America there are real cultural differences among various groups, complete with stereotypes, old grudges and decidedly different manners.

  172. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 3, 2012 - 4:58 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus: This rubbish has been floating around for fifty years, but since it hasn’t yet grown wings, no amount of insistence from you is going to make it fly. Churches weren’t emptied, the Faith wasn’t betrayed, and the Holohoax wasn’t substituted for Calvary because a couple of dozen guys got mixed up about what the Council of Deliberate Discord and Satanic Confusion actually meant to say in its intentionally two-faced documents.

    The Rorate Caeli luncheon meat you’re selling is so chock full of chemicals and artificial preservatives that it’s a wonder you can slice it without poisoning yourself. As far as E. Michael Jones is concerned, in cherry-picking his opinions for your own purposes you’re merely doing what the rest of the world has had little choice but do for several decades. Like you, alas, he is far closer to being an enemy of genuine Traditionalism than even a fair-weather friend, whatever important insights into Jewish conduct over the centuries he has been able to contribute. As first Archbishop Lefebvre and then Bishops Tissier, Galarreta, and Williamson have consistently proclaimed for four decades, the council and its fruits—first and foremost occupied postconciliar Rome—are the sworn enemies of the Catholic Faith handed down from the Apostles.

    Last but not least, I’ll match my knowledge of Guéranger against yours any day of the week.

  173. Thundertoad's Gravatar Thundertoad
    August 3, 2012 - 5:39 pm | Permalink

    @Richard–

    In the book “Lord of the Air” the author, Tal Brooke, notes an occasion when Ram Das and his disciples came to visit Sai Baba.

    Sai Baba, whatever else he might have been, had seething contempt for Ram Das and his followers.

    “In the Kali Yuga, the Thundertoad shall belch forth hideous ichors, and terrify many with his unbecoming appearance.”

  174. Thundertoad's Gravatar Thundertoad
    August 3, 2012 - 5:41 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    In the book “Lord of the Air” the author, Tal Brooke, notes an occasion when Ram Das and his disciples came to visit Sai Baba.

    Sai Baba, whatever else he might have been, had seething contempt for Ram Das and his followers.

    “In the Kali Yuga, the Thundertoad shall belch forth hideous ichors, and terrify many with his unbecoming appearance.”

  175. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 3, 2012 - 5:41 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    You said

    there is neithr Jew nor Greek in the new israel.

    Answer

    This is to be interpreted as Jew or Greek in Christ having the same RIGHTS and LIBERTIES. This does not destroy the racial distinction of the different races. Your mind has been clouded by that Trotsky invented Orwellian term “racism”.

    I suppose Paul was a “racist” when he said this;
    “I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.” (Romans 11:1 KJV)

    I suppose God is “racist” too when he said in Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah

    And what of John in Revelation 7:4-8? Was God who was speaking through John “racist” when he describes sealing the 144,000-12,000 from all 12 tribes?

    It is the Lord who will regather the Israelites, not the RCC. I suspect that those who are gathered will realize that since they believed in the spiritual seed of Abraham (Jesus) that this fact now denotes the physical seed of Abraham is inside them.

    These facts on race/ethnicity do not deny the fact that Christ even left the door open to the so called Jews- that is if they continued in his word, they would be saved. Question is, how many of taken him up on the offer? VERY-VERY few if any!

    Christ has left the door open to all other races (gentiles) besides the white/European Israelites from Jacob. Our mission was and is to spread the word to every corner of the earth- as we have done and is almost totally completed.

    In summary, ask yourself if the Apostle Paul is “racist” too when he speaks in depth concerning these ethnic issues pertaining the Esau “Jews” and the true Israelites(Whites/Europeans) saying in Romans 9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

    2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

    3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

    4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

    5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

    6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

    7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

    8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

    9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

    10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

    11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

    12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

    13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

    14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

    15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

  176. alfred's Gravatar alfred
    August 3, 2012 - 5:50 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus: There is real, tangible differences among races and unfortunately for you it is true all the way..there is no EGALITEE or FRATERNITE..there is only gene and hard work on the top of it….intelligence and intellectual design are more than a tract proved that is well spread among the white NON semitic groups…if you are going to challenge such logical and scientific data cite any old civilization not one but all of them were built upon a non semitic groups…the Sumerian ,Assyrian and Phoenician as well the old Egyptian were without any doubt PRE semitic with their ancient language replaced after numerous semitic invasions and what emerged was that these invaders ,as the german tribes after the Roman fall, absorbed the technology and knowledge developed by the host societies….copy and paste..Sumerian were undoubtedly NON semitic and they gave the full ground on which all the middle easterners built upon their contributions….Assyrians were and are directly descendants from the old Hitites(until now the word in aramaic for Iron is Hadid which is the name of the oldest civilization beside the Sumerians covering all the Fertile Nascent…as for the Egyptian civilization the highest Pyramid(148 meters) was built in 2.635 BC(almost 5.000 years AGO) and if we consider that their PEAK (which would be understandable given the height of the pyramid) one has to speculate the probable beginning of such civilization at least for 5.000 years BEFORE that pyramid…and then came from the Phoenician and Egyptian father and mothers the inconceivable and very much unexpected twist of the mankind history like a Black Swan, the formidable and everlasting civilization which still now enlightens and sparks the renewal of the human spirit…the Greek civilization ….and believe me..they had to have genes and brains that are not NURTURED but grown as a random soup of coincidences cooked on the very fire that was made of their genes…that is it…the ugly truth…yes..they were WHITE(with RED hair and green eyes) and they were the mankind foundation…

  177. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 3, 2012 - 6:12 pm | Permalink

    @alfred:

    You said

    the Sumerian ,Assyrian and Phoenician as well the old Egyptian were without any doubt PRE semitic with their ancient language replaced after numerous semitic invasions and what emerged was that these invaders ,as the german tribes after the Roman fall, absorbed the technology and knowledge developed by the host

    Answer

    This is the problem with you evolutionists. Your timeline is all messed up. Pre Semitic? LOL.

    After the flood there WERE NO PEOPLE ON THE EARTH save the 8 in the Ark. Shem, hence the word Semite, was the first born of Noah. He is also Melkisedek and the founder of Jerusalem. Semites are the white peoples of the earth. Japeth people are the Asiatics. Ham people are the blacks. From these 3 sources come all the subracial groupings on the planet.

  178. Dr. Faust's Gravatar Dr. Faust
    August 3, 2012 - 6:46 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons: We are trying to have a serious discussion here. Please start a blog of your own, where your brilliant observations will attract the attention they deserve.

  179. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 3, 2012 - 7:48 pm | Permalink

    @Dr. Faust:

    Dr Faust- your ilk’s childish and petty comments for lack of intelligent retort always underscore the obvious nature of your pathetic arguments for evolution. Your timelines constantly change and what is really sickening is that you demand everyone to believe the “new truth” that comes out every other year; this least they get verbally battered by you pc tyrants. Well, you don’t scare me and any moron who has even a little knowledge of science can prove your evolution THEORY wrong.
    I am not going to debate this with you but when a person can simply put a handful of dirt in a glass of water and watch how it settles in LAYERS; when they see clams shells the size of VW bugs on the top of Mount Everest; When every single ancient civilization speaks about the world wide flood (including those spoken of by Alfred) it is a wonder people don’t just tune you brainwashed by atheistic jew dingbats completely out.

  180. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 3, 2012 - 9:16 pm | Permalink

    @Dr. Faust:
    Tiresome Tyron :

    “This is the problem with you evolutionists. Your timeline is all messed up.”

    “After the flood there WERE NO PEOPLE ON EARTH save the 8 in the Ark.”

    Dr.Faust :

    “We are trying to have a serious discussion here. Please start a blog of your own…”

    I suggested that myself before, but he keeps on repeating the silly superstitious stories from the Bible. His behaviour is not unlike that of a Jehovah witness who sticks his foot in the door when you try to close it. His urge to preach his delusional “gospel” of Christian Identity is manic-obsessive and obviously incurable.

  181. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 4, 2012 - 4:41 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    En passant, trying to find a picture ofThe Siege of Mallorca, thanks to Razvan’s comment to the Lonaker Christian Zionist article, I came across this work:
    http://is.gd/DW9rmE

    Control+F for “antisemitism” for a laugh-out-loud footnote.

  182. alfred's Gravatar alfred
    August 4, 2012 - 7:49 am | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons: So Noah had 3 RACIALLY different WIVES to produce such descendants??or maybe he has real time variation in his skin color,nose basis wideness and projection, forehead projection,etc etc etc ?and if so where these wonderful wives came from?from whose uterus they were generated?from the breath of God?
    Answer this please and enlighten me or go home and as was told to you set up your own deviated anti white rubbish semitic blog and wait for the applause

  183. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 4, 2012 - 7:54 am | Permalink

    Dear Craon “Where two or more are gathered in my name”….And how many Bishops were assembled for Vatican Two?

    Off the top of my head – more than 2,800.

    By their nature, all ecumenical councils are infallible and in reflexively gainsaying Vatican Two you are undermining the authority of all ecumenical councils.

    I am not in agreement with Rorate Caeli – a website which is opposed to Vatican Two -on many things but it is a fine site.

    All of your cute names for Vatican Two are but symptoms of your lost Faith.

    Those you cite as reliable critics of Vatican Two were excommunicated and I know you did not know that Dom Prosper Gueranger referred to Pentecost as The Jewish Pentecost.

  184. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 4, 2012 - 8:00 am | Permalink

    Dear Mr Persons. No, I did not get my idea that racialism is sinful from Trotsky. I got that from holy Mother Church and which modern condemnation of racism can be found in mit brennender sorge.

    Obviously, in condemning racism, Holy Mother Church is acknowledging race as a category but to fixate on race as some thing determinative for culture or the world or, crucially, salvation, is itself malign and devilish.

  185. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 4, 2012 - 8:02 am | Permalink

    Dear Alfred. As James Bruen says, Adam was ante-semitic.

    So?

  186. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 4, 2012 - 8:06 am | Permalink

    In any event, I note that as of yet not one person has taken-up the challenge to identify where in Nostra Aetate the Catholic Church changed its Doctrine.

    And the reason for that is quite plain and simple. It did not change its Doctrine.

    Anybody with even a cursory knowledge of Catholicism knows that Doctrine develops but it does not change; that is, the Catholic Church can not, like the Anglican Communion did, teach that artificial conception was sinful only to change it to fit with modernity.

  187. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 4, 2012 - 8:12 am | Permalink

    Dear Alfred. Only gene and hard work? That is a neat summary of the heresy of Pelagianism.

  188. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 4, 2012 - 8:24 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Indeed, thanks for this link. I had been unaware of this book till now. The author’s feats in bending over backwards to privilege the Jewish view on everything might win him the gold were there an Olympic event in sycophancy.

    Certain passages in the pages surrounding the laugh-filled footnote you cite are equally revealing. I note with interest that, in what is rightly viewed (cf. Henry Adams, e.g., as an example of a genuinely disinterested scholar urging this view) as the Christian century par excellence, the “Jewish leaders” in Paris were able in 1244 to use their influence to temporarily forestall a papally, episcopally, and royally (the king in question being Louis IX, aka Saint Louis) approved mass burning of the Talmud and other Jewish hate literature. The Perpetual Victims didn’t rule then, but evidently their voice carried weight that was by no means negligible.

    Perhaps that last sentence should be taken as an official Jewish definition of the word suffering.

    On the other hand, this book’s bibliography could be quite a useful compilation for anyone interested in scholarly study of the period—so long, that is, that all of the post-1960 Jewish-authored studies in “they never stop hating us” are discarded programmatically.

  189. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 4, 2012 - 8:34 am | Permalink

    I think the comments by Mr. Wemhoff are helpful -

    David Wemhoff says:
    April 24, 2012 at 12:32 am
    I believe that there is some confusion here, and we can clear it up by explaining at what point arises the confusion and defining terms to dispel the confusion. The confusion comes in with the term “revolutionary Jew” when the word “Jew” was used before that point in the article to denote “the real enemy”, and was used after that point in connection with those who are docile to truth or Logos. So, let’s start to clear up the confusion by defining the word “Jew”, and what I offer is my understanding of the matter after having read Dr. Jones’ book “The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History” and the Scriptures. What is a Jew? A Jew is a member of the religion known as Judaism, which is based on a rejection of Jesus Christ as the Messiah and on the belief that those of the bloodline of Abraham are of the religion of Abraham (John 8). Let’s keep our eyes on two balls: religion and ethnicity. In the New Testament, St. Paul speaks to the Hebrews in the book by the same name and he calls them to accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah. Those who did accept Jesus became Christians and those who did not accept Jesus became Jews. Jews claimed to be of the religion of Abraham because of their blood line – their DNA, their race — and this belief, coupled with the rise of Phariseeism and the development of the Talmud gave rise to a new religion called Judaism whose practicing members were/are Jews. This in turn lead to the creation of an ethnicity which was formed in large measure by the religion of Judaism. Members of this ethnicity who do not practice the religion of Judaism are often called Jews or “secular Jews”, and so there arises another level of confusion of religion with ethnicity / race and vice versa. Let’s call the ethnic group “the Hebrews” or “ethnic Jews” for the sake of clarity. So, one may be a Jew (practitioner of Judaism) and a Hebrew/”ethnic Jew”. One may be a Hebrew/”ethnic Jew” and no longer be a Jew (practitioner of Judaism). (Remember, St. Paul’s religion was Christianity, his ethnicity was Hebrew or “ethnic Jew”, and he was a citizen of Rome.) However, there is a solidarity between the Hebrew/”ethnic Jew”, who does not practice Judaism and who is not Christian, and the Jew (practitioner of Judaism), and part of this solidarity is the acceptance of a “revolutionary spirit” which the Jews (practitioners of the religion of Judaism) have adopted since the day they chose Barabbas over Jesus Christ. When a Jew (practitioner of Judaism) or a Hebrew/”ethnic Jew” is baptized, solidarity with the Jews (as practitioners of Judaism) is fundamentally broken, and the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit in that person should end, though that is not always the case. And, those nominal Christians who are not Hebrew ethnics/”ethnic Jews” may also “catch the spirit” – the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit – and so there arise people like Kinsey and others. And, some Hebrews/“ethnic Jews” who are not practitioners of Judaism and who are not Christians, may still have an understanding of the natural law and act in accordance with it. In sum, one must be clear about how the word “Jew” is used – is it used to denote member of a religion or of an ethnicity/race? Dr. Jones’ book and thought is based on the Jew as a theological construct, and not as a racial construct.

  190. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 4, 2012 - 8:36 am | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus: The crescendoing self-importance of your comments makes clear that the only question about you worth asking is, why should anyone care that you’re not Spartacus?

  191. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 4, 2012 - 9:17 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: I’ve not read any of the work, footnote to Louis IX excepted, but did expect some very earnest hurdle-jumping, given the publisher. That the king be “notorious” for combining Christian piety with anti-Judaism winks in the right direction. On the other hand, Louis IX’ behaviour falls under the rubric of “irrational ‘anti-semitism”‘!

  192. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 4, 2012 - 9:35 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: There does seem to be a lot of that “irrational anti-semitism” going around. Makes one wonder whether Ron Paul’s “vicious anti-Semitism” (courtesy of RamZPaul and David Horowitz) is rational, n’est-ce pas? Or is it merely that one of the Rules for the Goyim When Hearing the Holy Ones Speak is that such grammatical and logical considerations as tautology and pleonasm are to be left in one’s other suit for the duration?

  193. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 4, 2012 - 10:01 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: As Razvan said, the picture trumps the word one thousandfold. That the narration pointedly ignores the standard atop the battlements shows that the West’s traditional enemies still today remain faithful to their respective m.o.’s.
    http://is.gd/qTX4SB

  194. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 4, 2012 - 10:04 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: I would have thought that putting “anti-semitism” in inverted commas would be something to be fixed in the proof-reading.

  195. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 4, 2012 - 10:53 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Quite a stunning picture you’ve turned up, too. It shows the defenders in a very sympathetic light. An early example, perhaps, of the Christian West’s persistent tradition of honoring the most admirable and determined of its enemies—once they’ve been whupped.

  196. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 4, 2012 - 11:01 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Don’t discount the possibility of subversion (in our favor for once) by the proofreader or copy editor. Take my word for it, being that I am a longtime grazer in the publishing pastures, that there’s a lot of it about. Mostly, though, the subversion comes from editorial staff even pinker and/or more lavender than the authors being subverted.

  197. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 4, 2012 - 11:57 am | Permalink

    @alfred:

    Of Noah’s 3 son’s, 2 of the Son’s were not of the same Adamic stock as Noah was. This has to do with the theory of 2 different creation accounts in genesis (something that I am coming to understand now). I do not deny that enviroment plays a factor in the shaping of a racial collective over time-nor do I deny macro evolutionary changes but these “changes” are preordained in the creation of whatever kind or species we are observing and certainly do not bring about the creation of all together new species or kinds. My dispute comes into play when outlandish theories like the billions and billions of years nonsense are throw about concerning micro evolutionists- everything coming about by chance (against all laws of probability) such as mankind and the different races.

  198. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 4, 2012 - 12:06 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    You said:

    No, I did not get my idea that racialism is sinful from Trotsky. I got that from holy Mother Church and which modern condemnation of racism can be found in mit brennender sorge.

    Answer

    The word Racism is no more than about 100 years old. Most attribute this term to Trotsky the “Jewish” murderer of millions of white Christians. I will take your word about were your got the term from but I would maintain the RCC then got it from the “Jews”.

    You said

    Obviously, in condemning racism, Holy Mother Church is acknowledging race as a category but to fixate on race as fosome thing determinative r culture or the world or, crucially, salvation, is itself malign and devilish

    Answer:

    I would not go as far as to say that race is not something that is ” determinative for culture or the world”. To claim this I believe is nonsense. However, when you said that race was not a factor toward “salvation (and that it) is itself malign and devilish, I would agree.

    I do believe race does play a factor toward advantages in this area- nothing more per say. Having said that to claim that people here are claiming that one must be white in order to be saved is incorrect. I have seen no statements like this from anyone nor do I believe such nonsense.

  199. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 4, 2012 - 12:20 pm | Permalink

    @alfred:

    @PLEASE COMPLETELY DISREGARD MY PREVIOUS POST. I MADE SERIOUS ERRORS I WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. (I wish there was a delete comment button)

    Ok Alfred, this is what I was meaning to say:

    Of Noah’s 3 sons, 2 of the son’s wives were not of the same Adamic stock as Noah was. This has to do with the theory of 2 different creation accounts in genesis (something that I am coming to understand now). I do not deny that environment plays a factor in the shaping of a racial collective over time-nor do I deny micro evolutionary changes but these “changes” are preordained in the creation of whatever kind or species we are observing and certainly do not bring about the creation of all together new species or kinds (macroevolution). My dispute comes into play when outlandish theories like the billions and billions of years nonsense are throw about concerning macro evolutionists- everything coming about by chance (against all laws of probability) such as mankind’s creation and the different races. Because of your ilk’s every changing timeline you can and do claim anything you like by simply changing the timeline to defend or establish whatever theories you have as fact.

  200. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 4, 2012 - 1:35 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:

    “This has to do with the theory of 2 different creation accounts in genesis ( something that I am coming to understand ).”

    You are “coming to understand” nothing! As long as you naively believe in the Bible as “God’s infallible Word” you will understand nothing of that problematic scripture. The Bible, like any other socalled “holy book” in the world, was written by men and is therefore fallible. The faults of that book can be understood by rational analysis, not by naive “faith”. It has already since long been established that the Bible is the redacted synthesis of different documents, stemming from different times and places. That explains its contradictions and discrepancies.

    The two different creation stories in Genesis stem from two different sources, later on combined in one book by the final redactor. Hence the discrepancies. There is no “mystical” explanation necessary. Every rational person can accept that ( hence you can’t ) .

    Finally some spelling corrections :
    genesis > Genesis
    all together > altogether
    are throw > are thrown
    per say > per se . It has nothing to do with the English verb “to say”, it is Latin meaning “by itself”.

    “I wish there was a delete comment button.”

    When I read your stupid comments, I sometimes wish there was a delete commenter button!

  201. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    August 4, 2012 - 2:47 pm | Permalink

    There’s a very good argument to be made that “Jesus Christ” is a wholly mythical Jewish figure. In this video, Richard Carrier presents the most likely scenario for this case:

    Richard Carrier: The Historicity of Jesus

  202. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    August 4, 2012 - 2:48 pm | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.:

    Here is a PDF slideshow for that video presentation:

    So…if Jesus Didn’t Exist, Where Did He Come from Then?
    http://www.richardcarrier.info/Historicity_of_Jesus.pdf

  203. alfred's Gravatar alfred
    August 4, 2012 - 4:48 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus: So what is other than those two prime things to develop the Greek worldthat we are now inhabiting?Gene equal soil and hard work equal the build up of the civilization based on the Pre Socratic CONCEPTUALIZATION of nature which by any past , present or future measure was a colossal and unsurpassed effort by a bunch of magnificent thinkers who as you cannot devise in any possible stretched fantasy the AMOUNT of energy and mental prowess needed to break up the animism present in all the so called prior ‘civilizations” …so please enlighten me again with your personal educated guesses on what are the other possibilities that your superior spirit could have proposed on what was the “jump into the abyss” as splendidly described by Nietzsche when those incredible spirits invented all alone the whole universe as we know it ….please enlighten me with the whole universe of possibilities that could have being arisen from all the others ‘thinkers” playing around at those times including your ancestry because if as you do exist now much probably they were present at that time , probably working hard through their genes to mold the same that those “Greeks” but did not get the prize in time…bad luck then hum…that is it no?best luck next time son…

  204. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 4, 2012 - 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Dear Mr Craon. I am the least self-important of men – thus my s/n – but I understand the personal insult is often the first refuge of the scoundrel.

  205. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 4, 2012 - 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Dear Alfred. Paganism was able to perfect the virtues of Prudence, Fortitude, Temperance, Justice through the mediated genius of the Greeks but it took The Incarnation to supply the grace necessary to build upon nature – the grace of Faith, Hope and Charity.

    And the very best of the Greeks were ought but a poor reflection of Adam, the greatest and smartest of all men and to acknowledge that is to experience the fun to be had in mocking the evolutionists; that is, the trajectory of man is a descent (just look around) and and not an ascent.

  206. alfred's Gravatar alfred
    August 4, 2012 - 5:19 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus: Dear Mr NOn Spartacus…Adam is a SUMERIAN word preserved and adopted into the subsequent semitic invaders as you probably trying to tell us…Pre Semitic…but remember that PRIMORDIAL place called IRAK is in fact the same word for the old URUK (same intonation as well in the current ARAMAIC living language ie arabic which means SWEAT until today…yes…Iraq is Uruk and means sweat…probably an old Sumerian story told about some kind of paradise and some sort of expulsion to a more working world and self sustaining hard work usually associated with….sweat…all of this prior to any Semitic invader best knowledge…)anyway back to your misinformed statement…Adam is a METAPHOR and in no way was created to represent a living ancestor of ours and simply means BONE(or more precisely as “matter”today and as opposed to EVE=Breath=immateriality or spirit or more precisely something untouchable…and remember that in order to me to translate to our current complexity I had to GREEKISIZE those expression by adding “immateriality”,”spirit” or “un touchiness’ all of them naturally Greeks in essence and significance) that is the simple thing…that it is…

  207. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 4, 2012 - 5:22 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    I am the least self-important of men

    Sure. You’ve made that quite clear.

    You’re quite the one to complain about insults, being no slouch at first hurling multiple insults yourself, all of them larded heavily with sanctimony.

    Addio per sempre.

  208. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 4, 2012 - 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Dera Mr Craon. Alice Longsworth has a seat waiting for you. Ta-ta.

  209. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 4, 2012 - 5:46 pm | Permalink

    Dear Alfred. Adam was a real man – it is in all the better Bibles..and the Cross upon which Jesus was Crucified was erected directly over his skull; that is, the historicity of Genesis is not only well-known, it was also attested to by the Early Church Fathers.

    I am afraid we are going to have to disagree.

    But, at least our respective world-views argues for free will :)

  210. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 4, 2012 - 9:48 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    “Adam was a real man…and the Cross upon which Jesus was crucified was erected directly over his skull…”

    You show a literal faith in the myths of your religion that is rare among modern Westerners. Perhaps some reading in comparative mythology might enlighten you. Think of Joseph Campbell and his works on world mythology such as The Masks of God or his ( unfinished ) series Historical Atlas of World Mythology.

    This is what the Wikipedia article says about Campbell and the Genesis myth :

    According to Campbell, the Genesis myth from the Bible ought not to be taken as a literal description of historical events happening in our current understanding of time and space, but as a metaphor for the rise of man’s cognitive consciousness as it evolved from a prior animal state.

    Campbell understood myth as a metaphor for a psychological truth. Not all men achieve this level of understanding. Campbell :

    “…So half the people in the world are religious people who think that their metaphors are facts. Those are what we call theists. The other half are people who know that the metaphors are not facts. And so, they’re lies. Those are the atheists.”

    It is up to you what you chose to be with regard to myth : a theist, an atheist, or – like Campbell – a psychologist.

  211. shark's Gravatar shark
    August 4, 2012 - 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Mari said:
    The money is given to the Protestants to bring in hundreds of thousands of african, arab and Latin American indians to live off the taxpayers welfare and become another criminal disfunctional underclass. The average IQ of African Americans is 85, bad enough.

    But the Protestants are bringing in hundreds of thousands of native born africans with average IQs of 65. And they get affirmative action jobs. If you thought the American blacks who run every goverment office are dumb, just wait till they are replaced by ethopians with IQs of 62.

    No I think you got that bass ackwards. It is the Catholics that are bringing in the nonwhites. I include Episcopals and Lutherans as Catholics as they are essentially catholic wannabees now. They are defecting due to the liberalizations taking place within their churches. They aren’t defecting to Methodists or Babtists either. I think the Catholics have been trying to destroy our border for years. Don’t forget they sponsored the immigration acts of the 60′s. Only the jews get blamed for it here. But no the good ol’ RCC was in on it too.

  212. shark's Gravatar shark
    August 4, 2012 - 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Mari said: “To a casual reader, it would appear that Tom is the last remaing member of the 3K located somewhere in 1930′s Iowa or Nebraska where there were no Jews or blacks but a substantiel population of German and Irish Catholics who were doing much better financially than the local Protestants which gave them the chance to burn crosses in front of RCC churches and the local Catholic schools whose students did much better on the state tests than did the anglo saxons and scotch irish who went to the public schools.”

    Well when you accept Catholics you have to accept these little attendant organizaions they bring that have tended to really pillage the Protestant working class,in addition to pimping their daughters and pushing drugs on the community,or at this epoch booze. Also though the Jews get the total blame for pornagraphy here you do know those little “groups” control Chatsworth from whence 90 percent of the world’s pornography comes?

  213. shark's Gravatar shark
    August 4, 2012 - 11:30 pm | Permalink

    To Mari. Continuation of above.
    Also at this epoch the ol’ Proddys had a fairly strong race consiousness and didn’t really appreciate white women sitting next to browns and blacks in the church pews. Greater chance of jungle fever. Read what Malcolm X said about Polish women during the Jim Crow era.
    Chide them if you must but most of the country still looks like Northern Europe and not Brazil due to this attitude. Its fading fast I know.
    Catholics integrated their churches in 1840. I am an atheist myself but one has to admit America looks like Europe due to the Calvinists and South America looks like the Mahgreb due to the Catholics. I think the Catholics got away lucky here with only cross burnings as they more than a little infringed upon the old Protestant codes.

  214. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 5, 2012 - 10:06 am | Permalink

    Dear Mr. Ryckaert. I enjoyed the Campbell series for what it was – an interesting stew of indifferentism delivered by a haughty academic.

    All of the Catholic Church Fathers believed in the historicity of Genesis and I do not at all take seriously the academics who have been mislead by the Frankfort School.

    One Catholic Church Father is worth ten million Campbells.

  215. alfred's Gravatar alfred
    August 5, 2012 - 11:12 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: indeed a very poor level of conscience that was “achieved’ by eating the forbidden fruit….given the fact that man only envisaged himself as a selfish being and nothing beyond that..the actual idea or concept of this new overwhelming “consciousness’ is in fact as an invention , an artistic creation of the philosophy of the old Greeks…and until the end of the world it is all we possess as closest as possible to any truth…about the metaphorical digression on what was suggested by Campbell we currently see the metaphors behind the biblical narrative because we possess the Greek tools to do so…otherwise we would be all at the same stage of thinking as some of the commentators here…

  216. alfred's Gravatar alfred
    August 5, 2012 - 11:16 am | Permalink

    @shark: totally agree…thanks for the valiant input….

  217. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 5, 2012 - 1:07 pm | Permalink

    @alfred:

    Yea right and that is why it is an undeniable FACT that ALL THINGS have a source! You lunatics KNOW THIS and so you push the fairytale that that man came from Ape and Ape from what-some lower species back to the “blessed primordial soup of water and rocks?

    The chances that man came together by chance are the same as if a tornado blew through a junk yard leaving behind a fully constructed and operation 747!

    You people are living in a fantasyland and whether you know it or not you’re not only the enemy of God/Jesus- but the white man as well!

  218. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 5, 2012 - 1:09 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    You said

    All of the Catholic Church Fathers believed in the historicity of Genesis and I do not at all take seriously the academics who have been mislead by the Frankfort School.

    Comment:

    Agreed!

  219. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 5, 2012 - 1:11 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    “All of the Catholic Church fathers believed in the historicity of Genesis…”
    “…one Catholic Church Father is worth ten million Campbells.”

    Your “argument” is a combination of the following three logical fallacies :
    1) Argumentum ad populum, ( appeal to belief, appeal to the majority, appeal to the people) – where a proposition is claimed to be true or good solely because many people believe it to be so.
    2) Argumentum ad verecundiam ( appeal to authority ) – where an assertion is deemed true because of the position or authority of the person asserting it.
    3) Argumentum ad antiquitatem ( appeal to tradition ) – a conclusion supported solely because it has long been held true.
    See Wikipedia ; List of Fallacies.

    Now I will not argue with you about the illusory character of the Genesis myth, nor will I point out that the Jews have borrowed it from the Babylonians during their exile and adapted it to their tribal needs, nor that nearly all peoples of the earth have their own version of a creation myth and the first pair of humans, but I will draw your attention to two things.

    First of all that the Jews themselves are hardly interested in the Genesis story ; they are only interested in themselves. The Genesis story was concocted to stress the “cosmic” importance of the Jews : the Lord who had made a covenant with the Jews is also the creator of the universe, hence the central importance of the Jews. Whether the world really was created in six days or not never really interested the Jews. For Europeans who had adopted the OT with their new Christian faith, literal belief in the Genesis story became a major stumble block to the development to many sciences such as geology, astronomy, biology, anthropology etc. Here myth became a handicap.

    Secondly, the Catholic Church itself has come to accept the theory of evolution, albeit in a modified form. The billion years old age of the universe is accepted, as is the evolution of species. This evolution however is thought to have been “guided” by God up to the human stage when a “soul” was added to primeval man. The story of Adam is seen as a myth.
    See Wikipedia : Catholic Church and Evolution.

    So if you still believe in the literal truth of this myth, you not only go against all logic and science but also against your own Church with its “infallible ” head!

    First that the Jews themselves are hardly interested in the story about

    creation and Adam and Eve

  220. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 5, 2012 - 1:28 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:

    “…whether you know it or not you’re not only the enemy of God/Jesus – but of the white man as well!”

    I am the enemy of Yahweh and Jacob, but not of the white man , who definitely is NOT the descendant of that goddamned Jacob as you still foolishly believe!!

  221. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 5, 2012 - 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Dear Mr. Ryckaert. I enjoyed the Campbell series for what it was – an interesting stew of indifferentism delivered by a haughty academic.

    All of the Catholic Church Fathers believed in the historicity of Genesis and I do not at all take seriously the academics who have been mislead by the @shark: Frankfort School.

    One Catholic Church Father is worth ten million Campbells.

  222. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 5, 2012 - 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Dear shark. Like abortion, pornography is from the Jews. Back when American Bishops were cohesive, they controlled the Jews via The Legion of Decency and The Jews produced some fine cinema but once that cohesiveness was broken – via higher education and its corruption via the frankfurt school and esp. psychology – the Jews had american christians unprotected and ripe for financial plucking via libido dominandi.

    As for Catholics and Protestants ( that is, deracinated christians whose doctrine was corrupted, and then controlled, by judaisers) the Catholics were light years ahead of protestants when it came to education and for evidence of that all one has to do is look at Mexico where the U of Mexico opened over a century before Harvard and where the Catholics had created a middle class of indians and provided higher education to women more’n one and a half centuries before such a thing happened in protestant america.

    Long before the Puritans began mucking-up higher education with Whig History in america, Catholic-Educated Mexican Indians were crossing the Atlantic to teach Latin in European Universities.

    As a Catholic, and therefore a member of a nation within a nation (1st Peter), I forswear the fear and loathing of Catholics arriving in America – legally and illegally – but I only wish they were traditional Catholics whose intent was to obliterate this failed revolutionary project – which rejected the idea of Jesus as King – and install a Catholic Confessional State and, hopefully, an Inquisition to deal with those who promote abortion and pornography and perpetual war and soul-destroying drugs.

    As the redoubtable Henry Crocker Jr noted, Hitler came to power in Germany because it had no Inquisition. If it had one, nobody would know the name of that miserable mass-murdering bastid.

    There was a reason Jefferson both liked having the Spanish Catholics in control of Mexico – their good works – and also feared the spanish were not strong enough to hold it until the US could steal it from them..etc etc

  223. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 5, 2012 - 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Dear Alfed. If your lack of Faith is a sign of superiority over the putative myth-manacled muttonheads who believe the Bible and not Joe Campbell, then I am happy and proud to stand with those benighted and deluded fools.

    When you stand before the judgement seat of Jesus, be sure to drop Joe Campbell’s name :)

  224. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 5, 2012 - 2:07 pm | Permalink

    For Joe Campbell fans – bad news. He died a Catholic after returning to the Catholic Church on his death bed.

    http://www.dwightlongenecker.com/content/pages/articles/cavewall2New.asp

    So much for the Catholic Myths….

  225. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 5, 2012 - 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Folks:

    What really bothers me about the atheists-macroevolutionists is that you KNOW the majority of white folks are Christian and yet instead of simply shutting your mouth and allowing others to believe different than you- YOU go about and attack white folks CONSTANTLY and all because these white people don’t believe in your theories. Yes, you ARE the enemy of God AND the white man because you divide and persecute the majority. You do the cause GREAT harm!

  226. shark's Gravatar shark
    August 5, 2012 - 7:55 pm | Permalink

    To not Spartacus
    You do know these deracinated Catholics,as you put it, have kept Catholic Europe Catholic by keeping the Russians and Prussians from conquering it. It would have been a cakewalk otherwise. You do know these rootless Roman errant of the North have bankrolled the military that have kept the stronger powers off this hemisphere. From Rio Grande to Rio de Plata is Catholic because of them I assure it wouldn’;t be otherwise. Tons of resources and it would be gravy for Ivan, or Mr. Wong or Mr. Suzuki to take.

  227. shark's Gravatar shark
    August 5, 2012 - 8:08 pm | Permalink

    to not spartacus
    I wasn’t aware that the Hispanics held a deed to any of the northern lands. If this is the case please don’t tell any of the Cherokee or Sioux.
    These people seem really impressive by your account, teaching Latin and all. I guess the fact eludes you that while the Protestant north keeps Catholic Europe and Americas propped up and is putting man on the moon,inventing planes,plastics,phones,TVs and puters Jose has major issues purifying the water.
    We do deserve the land as some kind of protection payment or tribute don’t we? … Not to worry it looks like they are getting it back.

  228. shark's Gravatar shark
    August 5, 2012 - 8:17 pm | Permalink

    To not Spartacus.
    In regards to pornograhy the financers and studs were Jewish,the women and protection racket(mafia) were Catholic. If this surpises you it shouldn’t. The biggest burlesque queens who lay with blacks are Catholic: Madonna,J Lo,Salma Hayek,Lady CACA,Shakira,Kardashian, etc,etc.

  229. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    August 5, 2012 - 9:00 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    The non-Spartacus asserts as fact that Joseph Campbell, on his deathbed, returned to the Catholic faith of his boyhood. Here is what his cited source actually says:

    ***

    How very deep that faith was within Campbell is proved by the story I heard when conducting a seminar on preaching in Vermont. I mentioned Campbell’s work in the context of structuring stories for use in homilies. A participant on the course was a deacon who was, for many years, a professor of phenomenology and religious psychology. He had met Campbell several times and was a student of the religious philosopher Mircea Eleade. The deacon told me that on his deathbed Joseph Campbell was received back into communion with the Catholic faith.

    The essence of Campbell’s work is his analysis of the structure of stories. The hero launches out from his ordinary world to gain a great treasure, but he always returns. If it is true that Campbell returned to the Catholic faith, then his own life went through a similar cycle. He went away from the church, and returned, bringing with him a new understanding of the ‘mono myth’ and how it works within the human heart. Perhaps he came ‘home to Rome’ with a fresh way to appreciate not only the world’s great stories, but also the great Judeo-Christian story which culminates in the greatest story ever told—the story of Christ’s own heroic descent to this world to win the prize of mankind’s salvation. As C.S.Lewis observed, “This was a myth that really happened.” By showing us how myth works Campbell unlocks another dimension of our own redemption.

    ***

    This is fairly well par for the course for what a large number of the commenters here (and almost everywhere else) are ready, willing and able to accept as “proof” of what they themselves simply long to believe to be true. “I was told by someone that somebody said that someone else claimed that somebody else heard . . . .”

  230. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 6, 2012 - 6:37 am | Permalink

    Dear Mr Ryckaert It’d be nice if just one of you actually posted a specific example of a Magisterial Document teaching what you claim the Catholic Church believes.

    Wikipedia as a source?

  231. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 6, 2012 - 6:39 am | Permalink

    Dear Shark. I wrote that the protestants were deracinated, not Catholics

  232. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 6, 2012 - 6:46 am | Permalink

    Dear Mr. Ryckaert There are no logical fallacies in what I posted unless one is desirous of gainsaying the entire history of Christianity in an effort to supplant it by resurrecting the long dead errors and madness of the paganism of Egypt or Odin or so other Godforsaken pre-Christian evil.

  233. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 6, 2012 - 7:32 am | Permalink

    Dear DK I posted that link so that everyone could read it and all who do read it can read how tendentious and false is your summation of it in the last paragraph

  234. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 6, 2012 - 7:39 am | Permalink

    Dear Shark. I suspect you are one who opposes immigration but yet one who does not recognise the “universal destination of goods”; that is, all that has been created by God was meant for all.

    Do you support the poor in countries to our south so that they will not be forced to live their homes to seek work elsewhere or are you ok with the history of capitalist exploitation of the weak and capitalist despoliation of natural resources?

    There is no denying either the great number of material goods or the great poisoning of our natural resources as one consequence of that material gain but man does not live on the bread of memories of man walking on the moon

  235. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 6, 2012 - 8:11 am | Permalink

    There ARE legitimate appeals to authority and peolpe rightly use them ALL the time.

    In the matter of The Holy Bible, as God is its author and as the Catholic Church is its sole interpreter – both old and new – it is quite legitimate to appeal to the Bible as an authority as it is interpreted by the Catholic Church – especially as it has been interpreted by the Early Catholic Church Fathers.

    Those who contend otherwise are but making a masked appeal to their own putative authority – or some long dead Greeks (but not Greeks like Saint Basil or Saint John Chrysostom) – but I don’t recall in Holy Write where they were given any authority at all.

  236. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 6, 2012 - 8:59 am | Permalink

    Not to worry it looks like they are getting it back.

    Yes, it does seem that they are. White America has chosen to contracept and abort itself out of existence and those decisions were taken by white men

  237. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 6, 2012 - 10:15 am | Permalink

    Because nobody has been able to post one single bit of evidence that the Catholic Church has changed its Doctrine on the Jews, the truth that Nostra Aetate changed no Doctrine must now be admitted.

    As to the many claims vis a vis Genesis and Adam and Catholic Doctrine, it must be noted that not one person has been able to cite a universal Catechism or a Papal Encyclical or an Ecumenical Document supporting those spurious claims and so it must be admitted that those claims are but hot air.

    For those who are interested, here is a link to a quick review of the status of the question of Divine Creation vs the malign materialism that so many of you have surrendered to ..

    http://www.rtforum.org/lt/lt141.html

  238. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 6, 2012 - 11:33 am | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:
    Not only am I right in my criticism of your three logical fallacies, but you repeat one of them ( “gainsaying the entire history of Christianity “, which is again an argumentum ad antiquitatem ) and you add a strawman argument to it by suggesting that I try to resurrect the “longdead errors and madness of the paganism of Egypt or Odin or so other Godforsaken pre-Christian evil”. I never said that I want to resurrect any kind of paganism ( whether paganism is automatically “evil” is another question).

    In your comment of August 6, 8:11 am. you are three times guilty of the logical fallacy of circular reasoning. I paraphrase the argument :
    1) “The Bible is true because God is its author”.
    Q: But how do we know that God is the author of the Bible?
    A : Because the Bible itself says so!
    2) “It is legitimate to appeal to the authority of the interpretation of the Bible by the Catholic Church.”
    Q : But how do we know that the Church’s interpretation is authorative?
    A : Because the Church is its sole ( authorative ) interpreter!
    3) “We cannot accept the authority of the criticism of the Bible by modern critics or ancient Greek philosophers.”
    Q : Why?
    A : Because the Bible itself doesn’t give them that authority!

    All the arguments above are examples of the logical fallacy of circular reasoning, which is BTW a fallacy most common in religions.

    Jesus himself was not exactly an example of rationality and tolerance. He was what we would call today an authoritarian personality ( Alarm! Frankfurt School term!), claiming to bring salvation only to those who had unconditional faith in him.

    Founders of religions need not necessarily be that way. Here is what the Buddha said about faith :

    Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
    Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
    Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
    Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
    Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
    But after observation and analysis when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conductive to the good and benefit of one and all then accept it and live up to it.

    http://www.teachingsofthebuddha.com/do not believe anything.

    As you might have noticed, the Buddha warns here for three logical fallacies : appeal to the people, appeal to authority and appeal to tradition. Quite a different approach than that of Jesus.

  239. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 6, 2012 - 11:51 am | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    Because nobody has been able to post one single bit of evidence that the Catholic Church has changed its Doctrine on the Jews, the truth that Nostra Aetate changed no Doctrine must now be admitted.
    Logical fallacy : argumentum e silentio.

    You seem to produce logical fallacies at the assembly line!

  240. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 6, 2012 - 12:44 pm | Permalink

    As for Joseph Campbel dyin a repentant Catholic, I understand the disappointment of those who had him as a hero; sad, isn;t it that your hero returned to Holy Mother Church :)

    The same reaction greeted the death of Eric Gill. He had MANY admirers until it was learned he died a repentant Catholic.

    C’est la vie

  241. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 6, 2012 - 2:49 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    C’est la vie.

    Non, c’est la mort!

    That someone on his deathbed choses security above insecurity as a kind of Pascalian gamble only shows that intellectuals are also human and doesn’t prove anything about the “infallibility” of the Catholic Church.

  242. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    August 6, 2012 - 9:00 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    Your witlessness is duly noted, not-Spartacus. Since, unlike you, I myself included the actual quote that evidently was the sole basis for your assertion about the late Joseph Campbell, only a moron would think that my last line was intended to be a “tendentious and false . . . summation” of what was just quoted, above it. Anyone with a three-digit IQ should be able to recognize what my closing statement was meant to represent– namely, the quality of evidence that True Believers, like you, find sufficient to “prove” that which you yourself long to believe, regardless of any evidence, or lack thereof.

    In the instant case, not only is what your own source has presented himself, as to Joseph Campbell’s supposed deathbed re-conversion to the Roman Catholicism of his youth, merely hearsay, it is rank and anonymous hearsay, to boot! Who was the anonymous deacon, non-Spartacus? What was the basis for his own alleged claim? Joseph Campbell died at his Honolulu home, nearly halfway around the world from his old New York home and workplace. Was the anonymous deacon, who merely alleged that he had met Mr. Campbell, privy to his deathbed in Honolulu? If not, what was the source of the deacon’s alleged claim?

    Joseph Campbell finished his later-broadcasted interviews with Bill Moyers (“The Power of Myth” on PBS) just shortly before Campbell’s death, on October 30, 1987. No one who has watched that series, as I have several times, would simply accept some cleric’s unsupported Internet claim, based on some anonymous deacon, who allegedly spoke to him at a public gathering, that Joseph Campbell had returned to the Church before his death, shortly thereafter– and, indeed, the blogging cleric’s own quotation, above, demonstrates that he himself had no way of knowing if the supposed deacon’s alleged claim was even true!

    The fact that I have not seen nor heard any evidence that would support such a claim, in the nearly quarter century since Joseph Campbell’s death in Honolulu, tells me that either the cleric himself made up the whole story, or else the anonymous deacon who allegedly told it to the cleric, at an unnamed time and place, sometime in the intervening decades, had made it up. No one but a True Believer, or some other such moron, ever would accept such rank hearsay as supposed “proof” of such a thoroughly unlikely claim. You believe it, non-Spartacus, because you, as a True Believer, wish to believe it– period!

  243. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 6, 2012 - 10:26 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    Thank you, the lines certainly do get blurry around here.

  244. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 7, 2012 - 9:35 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: The balmy notion that deathbed repentance or conversion redeems anything other than the immortal soul of the person concerned is yet another distortion introduced to the Catholic faith by conciliarism, which is itself the locally Catholic aspect of the still larger crime known as Modernity. Certainly, nothing is more important to you, me, or anyone else than his eternal destiny, but posthumous reevaluation (specifically, whitewashing) of someone’s words and deeds in response to such an event is another abomination of the past hundred years and a disservice to the efforts of those embarked on their own mental and spiritual formation and that of others.

    Take Thomas More, for example—”the only lawyer we know to be in heaven,” as a very dear friend of mine, himself a lawyer, has long and wittily said. A great man and great saint assuredly, preponderantly because of his heroic response to the great public crisis of his last years. (I pray to him for strength, courage, and guidance every day, in fact.) Ought we then to consider the dubious morals and poor psychology of Utopia exempt from close examination, not to say the utterly false and defamatory material he produced, essentially from whole cloth, about nonexistent Yorkist crimes and criminals, all to serve the dynastic ends of his employer, the Big Wheel of the regnant House of Tudor?

    My questions—which were already noticeably edging away from being rhetorical in the years of my schooling—have now become literally unanswerable, because no “right-minded” conciliar Catholic would even permit the matter to be bruited. Forget about any such thing as a full and open discussion! This and similar things, having taken unto themselves a bit of the penumbral protection of the Holohoax lie, are nowadays only brought up by people who kill Sikhs or urinate in public swimming pools.

    So at least we are daily instructed by our media, political, and academic betters. You yourself won’t believe a syllable of it, I trust.

  245. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 7, 2012 - 11:09 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    God’s mercy is a mystery to me. I have never entirely understood either the Catholic belief that deathbed conversions or even simply deathbed repentance guarantee salvation. Nor do I understand how Protestants can claim once saved always saved. Both appear to sin against both common sense and justice. I simply trust that God works in mysterious ways. In fact, there are days when I trust that my husband is right, in his entirely unapproved hope, that God grades on a curve.

    You may rest assured that I have never been so lost as to assume that sin forgiven becomes sin endorsed under any circumstances.

  246. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 7, 2012 - 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Dear D.K. Those most stridently opposed to Holy mother Church are those most amenable to the promptings of The Holy Ghost; and that is epecially true of those born Catholic.

    Frankly, I don’t care is you believe he converted on his deathbed or not.

    I’ll taked the word of an anonymous Deacon rather than accept the protests against the Deacon proferred by an antiCatholic

  247. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    August 7, 2012 - 11:25 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    Shall I ask my Vatican-educated priest-brother if he knows who the Phantom Deacon is, Zippy, and just why the “fact” of this (alleged) deathbed conversion has been (otherwise) suppressed, for all of these many years?!? (Regardless, perhaps you should have put off responding to my “stridently . . . antiCatholic [sic]” screed until you had stopped shaking with righteous indignation!?! The result of your apparently not having done so makes you look like a veritable illiterate, along with your being an obviously moronic True Believer….)

  248. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    August 7, 2012 - 11:51 pm | Permalink

    Is it to much to ask to get some TOO writers who are actually knowledgeable about ancient history, Christian origins, and modern critical bible scholarship?

    The religion articles on TOO are like reading a Christian fundie apologist blog or something. Seriously.

  249. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 8, 2012 - 9:36 am | Permalink

    I confess to being a true believer. And that confession could be said to be self-serving as it is undeniably true that true belief is much more intellectually and emotionally satisfying than is false belief.

    Hmmm Jesus or Buddah, whom to trust as one having authority?

    Well, I would write that there were many prophecies about Jesus centuries before He was born; but as foer Buddah? Not so much.

    And then there is the whole resurrecion thing – whic h, I am positive, more than a few in here will mock or deny.

    But, I understand the appel of Buddah. Rejecting him, unlike rejecting Jesus,does not end you up in Hell eternally .

    And, of course I know that one or more of the self-satisfied intellectuials in here will try and tell all that Hell is just some sort of scam meant to control everyone.

  250. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 8, 2012 - 9:45 am | Permalink

    Dear Mr Ryckaert. At some point, the people making the charge that the Catholic Church changed its doctrine on the Jews must produce the evidence or shut up.

    The plain and simple truth is that Nostra Aetate chNged not one thing of Catholic Doctrine.

  251. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 8, 2012 - 9:55 am | Permalink

    Dear Mr Craon. All Ecumenical Councils trail in their wake all manner of mistfits and maniacs and apostates and heretrics and schismatics and even sedevacantists and so that you are but the most recent example of a former Catholic whose relationship to the Catholic Church is but an image of how a protestant relates to the Catholic Church is both unremarkable and boring.

    You have nothing new or interesting to say and even your
    “conciliariasm” is but the slogan of the distrusting disobedient self-absorbed putative intellectual whose impressive and consequentail questioning can not even be heard by thise duped by the Second Vatican Council. say nothing about being answered.

    You have fallen madly inlove with your own self Sir.

    Me, I am but an illogical old fool who loves Jesus, and The Catholic Chuurch which teaches in His name

  252. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 8, 2012 - 10:09 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: Please do ask him, sir. Not for the sake of the blowhard, of course, but for mine and indeed that of anyone else with some humanly predictable curiosity about the actions of those so blessedly fortunate as to die in bed.

  253. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 8, 2012 - 11:22 am | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    “…it is undeniably true that true belief is much more intellectually and emotionally satisfying than is false belief.”

    This is again a statement that contains a circular reasoning, a kind of thinking that is typical for religious people. It goes without saying that every “true believer” believes that his religion is true, hence he is intellectually and emotionally satisfied with it. But then he sees his own satisfaction as a “proof” that his faith is “true”, a typical circular way of reasoning. Perhaps some relativistic doubt could crop up if such a “true believer” would consider that all “true believers” of other religions, that he thinks are “false”, have exactly the same conviction about their religion.

    As for the “prophesies” in the OT that so called predicted the coming of Jesus as the messiah, these prove all to be false on closer inspection, and that includes the famous prediction of the birth of “Immanuel” as the son of a young woman ( Hebrew : alma ), and not of a “virgin” as Christians wronly translate. That prediction was about the political situation in the eighth century BC and had nothing to do with a coming messiah ( Isaiah VII:14 ). For further details about this and other fake predictions about Jesus, see : Secular Web, Is it God’s Word?, by Joseph Wheless, a site I can recommend to become from an ardent “true believer” an enlightened unbeliever.

    Finally, apparently even “true believers” make spelling mistakes :
    Buddah > Buddha
    foer > for
    appel > appeal
    heretrics > heretics
    chNged > changed
    thise > these
    Chuurch > Church

  254. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 8, 2012 - 11:24 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: There are no guarantees, Alice, but since sacramental confession and true contrition combine to erase all sin (though not the punishment sin earns as its due), deathbed confessions have the advantage (for the one dying, that is) of coming at a time and in a place where there is precious little incentive or temptation to resume sinning! Besides, there is the deeply comforting and inspiring example of St. Dismas, aka the Good Thief, for whose redemption Christians have the highest authority imaginable.

  255. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 8, 2012 - 11:45 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Indeed, I do not question the truth, I simply don’t pretend to understand the boundless generosity involved. As you may have noted, I am not a very intellectual Christian. I simply trust and accept with gratitude.

  256. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    August 8, 2012 - 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Dear Mr Ryckaert. Catholic Faith teaches me it would be wrong to hate a hateful man like you and so I must withstand my natural inclination to hate one such as you and to inflcit upon you a visciousness that your venomous ideation incites.

    See, it is not always emotionally satisfying to be a Catholic.

    And there you go again, making an appeal to some “authority” who, you imagine, disproves the prophecies about Jesus.

    Your nastiness is almost incapable of being seen so incandescent is your hypocrisy.

    Of course, I could expend some time citing your own logical fallacies but that sort of combox game becomes only those who really can not respond to what is under discussion and so one becomes fixated on pointing out the presumed failings of others.

    Your hatred of those who have real Faith reveals a lot about who you are and what happens to the character of men without Faith.

    Too many of them become arrogant and so riven with anger and vituperation that the fetidness of it almost is detectable via the internet.

    Marinating in your own malign self-righteousness apparently makes you feel superior to me; and, so I will not try and disabuse you of the temportary joy you are experiencing but I imagine that when you stand beforfe the judgment seat of Christ, the look on your face will seem to be a copy of Bernini’s statue of “A Young man damned.”

    While you are alive, there is always time to repent and to accept Jesus and His Church, but after death, have you not done that, you will eternally be amongst legions of men and angels whose hatred far surpasses your own

  257. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 8, 2012 - 1:35 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I don’t understand it either. It’s simply not humanly understandable. I hope, however, that we’re both fortunate enough to be its recipients.

  258. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 8, 2012 - 1:41 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I’ll drink to that! It must be 5 o’clock somewhere.

  259. Mother Trucker's Gravatar Mother Trucker
    August 8, 2012 - 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Come on fellows-

    It’z not nice to discuss religion or politics. . .

  260. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 8, 2012 - 6:29 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: It’s always 5 o’clock somewhere. Thank heaven for that!

  261. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    August 8, 2012 - 9:00 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus:

    The term “True Believer” is a (well-known) literary allusion, Zippy, not a reference to anyone (e.g., my own aforementioned brother) who merely holds a genuine belief in any given article of faith, whether theological or ideological:

    http://www.amazon.com/The-True-Believer-Movements-Perennial/dp/0060505915/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1344472885&sr=8-3&keywords=True+Believer

  262. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    August 8, 2012 - 9:21 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Aside from those who simply die unexpectedly in their sleep (preferably in between REM phases), I personally think that dying in one’s own bed is rather overrated!?! In Joseph Campbell’s own particular case, he died of complications from esophageal cancer– which, I assume, was no proverbial day at the beach, nor figurative walk in the park!?!?!

  263. We's Gravatar We
    August 9, 2012 - 3:01 am | Permalink

    Why you don’t want to understand that Christianity is all Jewish invention?
    The true European spirituality is PAGANISM. We have our own mythology and our own Gods and teachings! All the newest religions are a simple degradation of human spirituality and knowledge.

  264. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 9, 2012 - 7:20 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: What’s really overrated is a day at the beach. My skin burns within ten minutes of exposure to direct summer sunlight.

    As far as dying is concerned, to each his own. I’d still be interested in hearing any reflections or comments stemming from your brother.

    Pax tecum.

  265. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 9, 2012 - 8:11 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    No wonder you are ailing, Pierre. You are suffering from too much NY. Come South where we have deep porches on our ocean front houses. We will feed you organic food, homemade yogurt, fresh fish and lather you with sunscreen for a dip in the ocean, followed by a nap in the hammock before cocktail hour. We will have you feeling better in no time.

  266. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 9, 2012 - 11:52 am | Permalink

    @We:

    The white European peoples were in Paganism when they initially forsook their creator 721 BC and were banished from the land. The “lost tribes” ended up migrating into an almost empty Europe and accepted Christ (read the prodical son-explains it). Returning to fallen angel worship is not the answer. This is what keeps us down and unable to be the dominating power of the world- history alone should have taught you that.

  267. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 9, 2012 - 2:23 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:

    “The “lost tribes” ended up migrating into an almost empty Europe…”

    In 721 BC, the date of the expulsion of those “lost tribes” from Northern Palestine, that “almost empty” Europe had about 27 million inhabitants, while the inhabitants of the Northern kingdom of Israel who were expelled by the Assyrians, cannot have exceeded 100,000 ( as per Atlas of World Population History by Colin McEvedy and Richard Jones ).

    Besides, before 721BC Europe had already known the Minoan Civilization of Crete ( 2700 – 1500 BC ), the Mycenaean Civilization of Greece ( 1900 – 1100 BC ) and the Etruscan Civilization of Central Italy ( 800 – 500 BC ), while the traditional date of the foundation of Rome is 753 BC.

    Further North lived Celtic, Germanic, Slavonic and Baltic tribes, all several thousands of years older than those miserable Semites from Northern Palestine, whom you consider – against all chronological common sense – as their ancestors.

    Stop repeating your CI drivel, you’re getting annoying!
    May the lightning of the angry Zeus of the Olympus strike you!

    Finally, – as always – a spelling mistake :
    prodical son > prodigal son

  268. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 9, 2012 - 3:55 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Simply put, it was the isles of north and west in Europe. Second, it was not 100,000, it was many more over a 70 yr period. Beyond that, they did not go into Europe in 721 BC they left old Israel then and spent MANY generations in the east before they crossed into Europe. They were the goths, saxons, vandals, franks, scots, Irish etc etc.

    You are speaking nonsense as usual and have your ancient history completely messed up.

    LOL- look, National Geographic is getting in the action.

  269. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    August 9, 2012 - 7:45 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I have put in a formal query. I shall let you know, if and when he gets back to me with an answer….

  270. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 10, 2012 - 6:47 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: Thank you very much.

  271. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 10, 2012 - 6:48 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: If only, Alice, if only …

  272. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    August 10, 2012 - 7:05 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    it’s not a logically defensible position, but I know that the very fact we exist now, proves we will exist again. Otherwise…just imagine the coincidence…showing up at that very same moment in all eternity you happen to have existed.

  273. Hasbara Matata's Gravatar Hasbara Matata
    August 26, 2012 - 2:41 am | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.:

    It’s been quite a while. You have ears to hear; so I’d like to say it, in the hope you might see it.

    I’ve learned things from him, but I’m a bit wary of Carrier, particularly since he seems to be moving towards a hard-line Mythicist position. It seems to me that the purely mythical Jesus stance is surreptitiously impelled by philo-Semitism; that it is fundamentally Politically Correct: it allows the skeptic or anti-Christian never to have to come to terms with what a real Jewish rebel would have believed. (That most of its adherents are recalcitrant ideologues and argue their belief with a religious fervor also make me suspicious in this regard.)

    So this neo-Mythicist position looks to me to be a convenient way to avoid the inevitable anti-Jewish feeling that would arise in any thinking person with the understanding that Jesus was an ethnonationalist Jewish supremacist who hated non-Jews, who initially was spun by self-interested Hellenized Jews into a Graeco-Roman friendly figure.

    It also strikes me as compulsive, because making a flesh-and-blood Jesus into a myth is what the early Jewish authors of Christianity themselves did: they launched a Jewish rebel into the safety of the mythological ozone so as to defuse ‘anti-Semitism’– Paul himself not the least among them of those who did this.

    I’m not hardline ‘Zealot Jesus’; the forces were multifarious and complex. But the hardcore Mythicist position looks to me like yet another repetition of the forces that created the Christian illness to begin with, another attempt to steer understanding down effectively the same path to avoid the real Jesus, and ultimately for the benefit of Jews.

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