The pre-election window for war with Iran

Kevin MacDonald


Jacob Heilbrunn thinks there may be an “October Surprise”—a U.S. bombing operation against Iran. The point would be to outflank Romney who has done all he could possibly do to show his absolute fealty to the Jewish state.

Romney observed in December, he would never, ever criticize Israel. Instead, he would get on the phone with Prime Minister Netanyahu and ask, “What would you like me to do?” So it’s fair to say that Romney would outsource his foreign policy to Netanyahu when it comes to Israel and its enemies.

Obama, on the other hand, has had at best a strained relationship with Benjamin Netanyahu, and, as Heilbrunn notes, his administration “has been doing everything in its power to dissuade Israel from speedy action. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta’s visit to Israel was another sign that the administration is trying to reassure Israel of its commitment to its security.”

The downside of an attack on Iran would be $200 oil in an economy that is currently the main issue in the election. I rather doubt that Obama would want to take the chance that Americans would be really enthusiastic about yet another war against a far away nation that only the most fevered neocon would portray as an imminent threat to the U.S.

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My basic view of Obama is that he is a sincere (anti-White) leftist in the age of globalism and multiculturalism. His natural sympathies are far more on the side of the non-White masses of the Third World, including the Palestinians, than they are for expending American military power yet again on behalf of the American Jewish community. The reality of Israel as an apartheid state bent on ethnic cleansing and reducing the Palestinians to an impoverished, dependent, and powerless people is fundamentally repulsive to a sincere leftist.

Nevertheless, Obama understands the power of Jews in the American media and the political process, not the least of which is the huge role that wealthy Jews play as donors to the Democratic Party. Although he hasn’t gone quite as far as Romney in towing the AIPAC line, Obama retains strong support among Jewish Democrats, such as Alan Dershowitz, and I suspect that in the end around 70% of American Jews will vote Democrat compared to around 80% in 2008.

Nevertheless, from Israel’s perspective the prospect of an Obama victory prior to dealing with Iran is problematic. Without having to worry about another election, Obama’s gut instincts as an honest leftist come into play, and I suspect he would do everything he could to avoid a confrontation with Iran. His difficult personal relationship with Netanayahu and his lack of sympathy with the Israeli ethnonationalist right that is calling the shots would make him very reluctant to sign on to a war with Iran.

Nor would a newly elected Romney be a sure thing for Israel. Fundamentally, I rather doubt that Romney has any principles at all, other than to get elected. The fact that Romney has a reputation of waffling surely can’t be reassuring to the Israelis. A NYTimes article phrased it this way:

Mr. Netanyahu feels that he will have less leverage if President Obama is re-elected, and that if Mr. Romney were to win, the new president would be unlikely to want to take on a big military action early in his term. (“U.S. and Israel Intensify Talks on Iran Options,” Aug. 1, 2012)

As the title of the NYTimes article indicates, there is certainly an uptick in Israeli pressure on the issue. Recently Congress passed yet another Iran sanctions bill by a margin of 421-6 in the House and by unanimous consent in the Senate. This bill takes the Israeli position that the mere capability of making nuclear weapons is a threat to the United States. Obama will doubtless sign the bill, but has discretion on implementing it.

Putting this together, I conclude that Israel and its fifth column are highly motivated to provoke a confrontation with Iran before the election because that is the most assured way of getting U.S. support which is necessary for Israel to achieve its goals. (The NYTimes article notes, “The Pentagon … has the munitions, bombers, missiles, stealth aircraft and drones that would cause far more extensive damage.”)

I suggest also that Iran’s nuclear capability is far from the only issue. Iran is a major problem for Israel because of its support for Hezbollah and its generally antagonistic stance toward Israel, its alliance with Syria, etc. Even without nuclear weapons, Iran is a prime target of Israel, just as Iraq was. In the same way that Iraq’s fictitious WMD were a creation of Jewish operatives in the Dept. of Defense (Wolfowitz, Feith, Schulsky, etc.; see here, p. 48ff) working in cooperation with Israel, the current hazy accusations about Iran’s nuclear program fulfill a function even if they are not true. Indeed, as Pat Buchanan notes, “the unanimous judgment of the U.S. intelligence community, declared in 2007 and affirmed in 2011, that  has abandoned any program to build .”

Israel may well not believe that Iran has any intention of building nuclear weapons and nevertheless strongly desire a confrontation. But if so, the prediction would be that attacks on Iran would not be confined to possible sites related to nuclear weapons building, but a general attack that, as with the wars in Lebanon of 1982 and 2006, is intended to cause massive damage to Iran’s infrastructure and destroy its economy. For this, if not for simply attacking possible nuclear sites, the aid of the United States would be essential.

So the trick for Israel is to provoke a confrontation in such a manner that the U.S. would necessarily be drawn in. An obvious tactic here would be a false flag attack on a U.S. military asset that could credibly be blamed on Iran. Israel has a long history of false flag operations, most recently an operation in 2007 and 2008 in which Mossad agents posed as CIA operatives to recruit Jundallah, a Pakistan-based Sunni group, to assassinate Iranians.

If Israel did attack Iran during the presidential campaign, there would be enormous pressure for the U.S. to become involved, even without any attack by Iran on U.S. ships in the Persian Gulf or other U.S. targets. Romney would criticize Obama if he did nothing and there would be a veritable firestorm of media pressure. Obama would have to act. (Of course, if Israel was in real danger, the U.S. would get involved even if it was not during a presidential election, as occurred in the 1973 Arab-Israeli war when Israel was resupplied with weapons during the conflict. In the present situation, however, Israel’s primary need for the U.S. is simply to be able to do enough damage to Iran to make it worth the effort.) And because Obama would be seen as supporting an ally rather than initiating the conflict, public opinion would be more likely to support the administration. Americans have a long history of supporting the administration in times of war.

Should be an interesting three months. Israel may decide in the end not to go ahead with the operation, but if it is intent on doing so, now’s the time.

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143 Comments to "The pre-election window for war with Iran"

  1. Lew's Gravatar Lew
    August 6, 2012 - 7:27 pm | Permalink

    A false flag is their only choice. The American public has no stomach for another war.

  2. Blake Watts's Gravatar Blake Watts
    August 6, 2012 - 7:30 pm | Permalink

    I would not be a bit surprised if Obama bombs Iran. Funny you should say that Romney would do anything to get elected, when in fact every move that Emperor Obama makes is pure ethnic vote getting politics. Obama just signed the “US-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act,” an insane piece of legislation that seems to mean that we as Americans are now totally obligated to the protection of Israel no matter what the cost in lives or treasure. This act is unconstitutional in a very bold way, but the Constitution obviously doesn’t matter to Emperor Obama.
    You have to remember that the biggest contributors to both Romney and Obama are Wall St. and Jews. Both go to AIPAC dinners and kiss ass, both declare their undying love for Israel and the Jews. I have never believed that Obama is anti-Israel. My take is that Bush was too aggressive, which caused blowback, so they instruct Obama to walk softly. Push come to shove it’s still the very same neocon foreign policy that favors destabilization in the middle east no matter who is in the White House.
    Fact is…if the Jews want to send redneck Christian boys to die in the middle east, they are going to have their way because they own and run the entire show.

  3. AWM's Gravatar AWM
    August 6, 2012 - 8:36 pm | Permalink

    Then it would be up to Iran to decide to allow themselves to be bullied and humiliating, or retaliate – which very easily could begin WWIII. Consider the following @ http://goo.gl/8GGu5:

    As professionals, you know the risks of attacking Iran and Syria. Iran mass produces its own rocket artillery (range 130 miles, warhead weight 1,332 pounds, 210 km and 600 kg), solid fuel missiles with advanced guidance systems and fuel air explosive warheads, mach 3 anti-ship missiles and high speed 223 mph (360 kmh) torpedoes. Iran has 1,000 km (621.4) range drones armed with 4 missiles each. They also have hundreds of small fast boats capable of firing anti-ship missiles. Iran can fire very fast and accurate missiles with fuel air explosive warheads to block attacking aircraft in areas of half a mile radius each.. Please note that the Germans recently demonstrated that the F-22 is not really as stealthy as claimed and can be shot down.

    Their allies in Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon would release 150,000 missiles against Israel and Turkey if they were attacked. Within minutes all 35 US bases near Iran and the 20 joint occupation bases in Turkey and our Persian Gulf fleet would cease to exist. At least 100,000 volunteers from Pakistan would cross the border into Afghanistan to kill NATO troops. Ay least 50,000 Iranians would cross into Iraq and kill what remains of the US personnel there. At least 50% of Israelis would take direct hits from missiles with fuel air explosive warheads. Gabi Ashkenazi, former commander of the IDF, has said attacking Iran is stupid. If he thought attacking Iran was a cakewalk, he would not oppose the war.

  4. The Admiral On Horseback's Gravatar The Admiral On Horseback
    August 6, 2012 - 8:37 pm | Permalink

    I think the best hope whites have is for the Jews to overreach themselves. They will, eventually, but the sooner it happens to better. Therefore, I’m not sure it would be a bad thing if they did indeed push Obama to war.

  5. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 6, 2012 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

    The saddest symptom of our plight is that more people in America will be wondering if Marcy Flemming is right, and we are responsible for the murders in the Asian Temple than will be able to accept the clear, open reality that Neocons now brag that our leaders go to war to please the Jews. We have become a people without shame.

    I replied to Marcy, but my comment in in moderation, again.

  6. Steve's Gravatar Steve
    August 6, 2012 - 9:25 pm | Permalink

    As far as Iran is concerned, it’s a tough call. I don’t think Iran will be attacked this year. The US public is weary of war and the economy is on the ropes, plus Israel won’t go it alone because they would face world condemnation. All of the hoopla against Iran by the Jewish media doesn’t seem to have the effect they wanted, so we can look forward to a false flag of some sort to get the party started. Now if you take into consideration the US and UN attacks on Yugoslavia (Serbia) Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, then it would be logical to conclude that it would just be a matter of time before Iran is attacked since it’s the biggest threat to Israel. In the meantime, Syria is on the cutting block, but thanks to Russia and China, outright intervention by the UN has been stalled. And as long as Syria controls the skies and the UN cannot initiate a no-fly zone to give the “rebels” the fighting edge, then Syria remains on life support.

    If Iran is to be attacked, then most likely that wouldn’t take place until after the US Presidential elections and the new president takes office in January 2013. That’s what the Jews did with the Twin Towers Bombing of 1993 and 911 attack of 2001. They waited till Clinton and Bush were in the first years of office to initiate their plans. This then allows them to work with the same administration for the long-term rather than risk such complicated endeavors during an administration change. (I may have gone off track here but timing is everything).

  7. saxon's Gravatar saxon
    August 6, 2012 - 9:43 pm | Permalink

    I hope a lot of people start waking up to this madness!!

    Killing people for what?

    The real story should be Iran is getting nuclear technology for a nuclear power plant so they don’t have to run their country on gas generators for electricity. Also, they plan on building a pipeline to feed the Asian markets full of crude. That’s the cause for war. Plus, they don’t believe in the Holohoax.

  8. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    August 6, 2012 - 9:50 pm | Permalink

    “Fundamentally, I rather doubt that Romney has any principles at all, other than to get elected.”

    I have the same read on Obama. I cannot think of a single instance, regarding him, where principle trumped opportunism. Both men make Bill Clinton look like a man of principle, and that is not easy to do.

  9. Kullervo's Gravatar Kullervo
    August 6, 2012 - 10:00 pm | Permalink

    I think the US strategy with regard to Iran will be similar to its approach to Iraq all throught the 90s: encirlement, embargo, economic strangulation, persistent defamation in the media. With some notable differences, as I think Hollywood and the Jewish far left have swung away from Israel and Zionism in the wake of the 2000s wars in the Middle East. After Iran, similar to Iraq, has been reduced to a virtual shell of a nation, then perhaps the US will attack, based on some new false flag. I don’t think Romney has any significant chance of winning against Obama in this election. That’s the basic Zionist strategy; suffocate during the democratic presidencies, pound during the republican years.

  10. August 6, 2012 - 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Can I just ask if false flags are really as powerful as they were? Or even true flags. If someone in Iran got irate and sank a ship, say, do people still think that justifies maybe a million deaths? I don’t know!

  11. Fynn's Gravatar Fynn
    August 6, 2012 - 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Very cogent article. No doubt Israel would like the U.S. to take care of the Islamic Republic for it, but is it bluffing about doing anything on its own? Does Israeli intelligence believe Iran could kill thousands or hundreds of thousands in retaliation? If Israel believes Iran’s response wouldn’t be much worse than Iraq’s, Afghanistan’s or Libya’s, then Iran’s goose is surely cooked. But supposedly Iran has some sophisticated weaponry, including missiles that can sink aircraft carriers. It’s pathetic that the so-called superpower has really no freedom of action and not much say about if or when, since the Israelis know that they have the leaders of both major parties in their hip pocket.

  12. fender's Gravatar fender
    August 6, 2012 - 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Recently there was an article on RussiaToday alleging that the israelis haven’t been seriously discussing any military action against Iran for months now, and that this is all just for show.

    Regardless of whether Izzy and Ira are going to go to war or not, I don’t think it matters who’s in office in DC. The Kenyan and the Mormon will both be dutiful servants of the israelis.

  13. August 7, 2012 - 12:30 am | Permalink

    KM–Obama is a PUPPET, he makes NO decisions. Surely you are not that naive…

    Axelrod has been creating and shaping Candidate Obama for more than 16 years. “Axelrod met Obama when the senator was 30 years old and coordinating a voter-registration drive in Chicago and Bettylu Saltzman, a doyenne of progressive politics in Chicago, suggested that the two get to know each other,” the New York Times reported in early 2007. “In the 15 years since, Axelrod has worked through Obama’s life story again and again, scouring it for usable political material.
    Bettylu Saltzman has been supporting and financing Obama’s political career since 1992, long before he ran for any office. Saltzman is the only daughter of the super-Zionist Philip Klutznick. In 1992, when Obama was 30 years old, Saltzman told Axelrod and others, “He will be our first black president.” Saltzman then commissioned Axelrod to create Obama, the presidential candidate.

  14. Blake Watts's Gravatar Blake Watts
    August 7, 2012 - 12:58 am | Permalink

    I wish that the public at large had the political savvy of the people on this board, in which case we might have a fighting chance.

  15. August 7, 2012 - 1:24 am | Permalink
  16. August 7, 2012 - 1:43 am | Permalink

    Zionist False Flag Operations:

    1946 – Bombing of King David Hotel, Israelis dressed as Arabs

    1954 – Lavon Affair, Israelis blew up American Installations in Cairo to blame Egypt

    1967 – USS Liberty attacked by Israelis, 34 Americans killed 170 wounded, to blame Egypt

    1968 – US Embassy attacked by Israeli commandos in Amman, to blame Jordan

    1986 – Berlin Disco bombing by Israel, to blame Libya

    2001 – Israel attacks on 9/11. 1st blamed on Palestinians by Mossad Agents Caught on scene.

  17. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    August 7, 2012 - 3:01 am | Permalink

    @saxon: Brother Saxon comes very close to uncovering the real truth about this insane obsession that a nuclear armed nation of murderous terrorists (Israel) has about attacking Iran, who simply has a desire to wean their nation off of oil as much as possible.

    It is this ‘Greater Israel’ concept – where Israel thinks it deserves to own all the land between the Tigress and Euphrates Rivers. It is my confirmed suspicion that the Israelis have coveted the Iranian oil reserves for a very long time, perhaps from the very beginning of their real estate theft in 1947. These jews are very clearly consumed with their Talmudic teachings that tell them that they deserve to rule the entire world – and to do that, they have to get control of the oil reserves. However, if Iran were to get themselves a nuclear weapon or two – they could effectively short circuit any attempt by Israel or by their toe sucking lapdog (America) to invade their nation and steal their oil reserves.

    Think about it. Israel has between 300-600 nukes and about 5 submarines that the stupid Germans gave them that can carry nuclear missiles. Those subs are meant for the USA, in case we somehow ever manage to purge these Israel toe sucking treasonous rats out of political office and place pro-White, Nationalist minded leaders in their places. So, if Iran gets one or two nukes, they still are no threat to Israel – due to the Mutually Assured Destruction principle. Even some high ranking Israelis have admitted that a nuclear armed Iran would not really pose any serious threat to Israel.

    But, what a nuclear armed Iran might do – is to help deter the mad dog behavior of Israel, although I personally doubt that the psychopaths who’re in charge of that evil nation would be able to restrain themselves to any significant degree. In fact, I think that the Israelis have been so used to getting away with every conceivable atrocity and murderous act against their neighbors (and against the USA) and against the Palestinians for so long, that they’ve become addicted to their destructive behavior. Its like a narcotic addiction, in many respects – a fact that some prominent Israelis have admitted and this is why many anti-Zionist jews have expressed opinions that Israel seems to have a death wish. And, the worst part about this death wish – is that these lunatics have the potential to get millions of people around the world killed in the process of them committing suicide.

  18. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    August 7, 2012 - 3:52 am | Permalink

    Beyond policies that would put more money in the pockets of people with his kind of money, Mitt Romney does not seem to have any convictions. He can change his position on most any issue at any time.

  19. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    August 7, 2012 - 4:12 am | Permalink

    I suppose anything is possible, but it seems to me that it just is not in Obama to initiate a war/strike. I think he plays the presidential role fairly well, giving speeches and campaigning, but taking a huge military risk like this with unknown consequences (Iraq remains in recent memory) is anathema to a cautious individual who remains at heart basically a community organizer, albeit now he is in a national position as such. I do not think that he has the same divine confidence in saving the world from evil that his predecessor did, which made that individual prone to launching crusades in the name of righteousness.

    I think Romney’s chances of election are probably in the 10% range (observing that Bush, a better campaigner with a better demographic picture just barely eked out an electoral win with 500 votes apparently). My guess is that if by some stroke of fortune Romney was elected, we would find the Iran talk to be mostly posturing done to please his big donors. Going after Iran is difficult proposition for various reasons, including the aforementioned oil issue and China’s involvement. Romney would be looking at the situation from a cost/benefit standpoint, and I think would shy away from the sizeable costs. I also agree that the chances of a solo Israel strike are tiny.

    However, the above is valid only if there are no significant incidents, false flags or major provocations seen to be committed by Iran. Thus, I think it makes sense for AIPAC and the Israelis to keep pushing for war. If public opinion can be shifted to where a sizeable majority of the US population approves, then whoever is president may find themselves compelled to act, especially if there was a “Pearl Harbor” event. By keeping the pressure up, Israel has little to lose, and possibly lots to gain in regard to their security concerns about Iran.

    I wonder if an Iran strike would be beneficial to WNs or not. My guess is that it would be. It would result in greater awareness of the Jewish issue (at least a little), possibly bring China into the Middle East to defend an important source of oil, raise oil prices to help depress the economy, and add to the general burden Israel imposes on the U.S., possibly resulting in more Walts and Mearsheimers. Maybe I support an Iran strike after all? The moral side of me tells me that would be wrong, and unjust, but the Nationalist side of me, which is Nietschian, says damn the torpedos, we need more chaos and destruction, the ends justify the means.

  20. shark's Gravatar shark
    August 7, 2012 - 5:28 am | Permalink

    I am not sure a strong position in Iran is not in our interests also. Awesome geopolitical postioning in regards to the Persian Gulf and Caspian sea. Won’t have to pay the Russkies to get supplies into Afghanistan(and have them stolen en route) which is an awesome platform on China’s flank when the need arises. Seems to be an very strategic pawn on the Geo-chessboard over there. We will have tons of “summit/concession ” leverage with the Asians and Russkies.
    I imagine the CIA has thousands of operatives there developing a 5th column which shouldn’t be hard judging from what went down in 09.

  21. shark's Gravatar shark
    August 7, 2012 - 5:35 am | Permalink

    Oh in additon to what was said above let me add that invasion won’t be necessary with that 5th column that is being cultivated. Alot of people over there want the Mullahs gone anyway.
    Ahmadinejad kissing Chavez and Putins a$$ didn’t set well with me. Furthermore his blustering vis a vis Israel(ostensibly to scare the oil markets and get more for Irans crude) weren’t too bright of him either knowing the tribe’s immense power in Washington.

  22. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    August 7, 2012 - 7:21 am | Permalink

    @Graham Wellington: To this list, we need to add:

    1. 1963 – complicity in the assassination of JFK.
    2. 1983 – Beirut US Marine Barracks Bombing
    3. 1986 – Mossad tricked Reagan in to bombing Libya
    4. 1993 – first World Trade Center Bombing
    5. 1995 – Oklahoma City Bombing
    6. 1999 – Columbine High School massacre
    7. 2000 – U.S.S. Cole ‘suicide’ bombing
    8. 2004 – Assassination of Yasser Arafat
    9. 2012 – Aurora, Colorado mass shootings (????)
    10. 2012 – Oak Creek Wisconsin Sikh temple shootings (???)

    By the way, isn’t it interesting that Wikipedia, which has been rumored to be controlled by jews – as of today, a mere 2 days after the Wisconsin shooting – already has a documented narrative posted for the curious and gullible goyim to read and swallow whole?

    This makes me wonder what we might have found up on Wikipedia, had we decided to search on ‘Wisconsin Sihk Temple shooting’ a day or two BEFORE the shooting occurred.

  23. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    August 7, 2012 - 7:30 am | Permalink

    @shark: It seems that we have a disinfo agent among us.

    News Flash for ‘Shark’: It is a documented fact that has appeared in a number of even the enemy controlled mainstream media newspapers that a HUGE part of the price of our gasoline and the oil that it is produced from it – is a direct and indisputable consequence of oil futures speculation by Goldman Sachs and by a number of other jewish owned and controlled financial brokerage firms. This is undeniable, Mr. Shark.

    So, stop trying to shift the blame and the owner of the knife that is being shoved in the American people’s back away from who really is raping us at the gas pumps to Ahmadinejad and Iran. All these insane ‘sanctions’ that our jewish hijacked government is placing on Iran is also NOT helping to lower the price of our gas.

    Chutzpah. There needs to be a law that classifies chutzpah as a capital offense, punishable by an immediate seat on the electric chair.

  24. Mickey Meadowsa's Gravatar Mickey Meadowsa
    August 7, 2012 - 9:06 am | Permalink

    Yes it’s a good analysis. What I would add would be some enclosing/background thoughts. This sort of skullduggery has always gone on, and that is why nations have intelligence and counter-intelligence and operations to thwart enemies and allies from instances whereby they are manipulating the world stage in ways that are to their benefit but deleterious to the state in question.

    No need to be telling anyone here this, but what is different is of course the extent to which the US has been penetrated and subverted by Israel with the help of organized American Jewry.

    I say all this, just to highlight another way in which the next three months are going to be ‘interesting’. KM is right..there are just so many reasons why the US would not want to go to war, that Israel really is likely to feel that it will need the extra kick by creating a situation during the campaign itself.

    But on the other side to this we’ve got the CIA and other still – at least in the ranks – patriotic services. Their job, as routine, is to pick up plots by foreign governments and find ways to thrwart them.

    The question is what extent these still patriotic services are able to do their jobs. Are they demoralized and defeated like the border people? Or are they still able to act for America?

    Let’s see

  25. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    August 7, 2012 - 9:08 am | Permalink

    [original got stuck in moderation because I spelt my name wrong]
    Yes it’s a good analysis. What I would add would be some enclosing/background thoughts. This sort of skullduggery has always gone on, and that is why nations have intelligence and counter-intelligence and operations to thwart enemies and allies from instances whereby they are manipulating the world stage in ways that are to their benefit but deleterious to the state in question.

    No need to be telling anyone here this, but what is different is of course the extent to which the US has been penetrated and subverted by Israel with the help of organized American Jewry.

    I say all this, just to highlight another way in which the next three months are going to be ‘interesting’. KM is right..there are just so many reasons why the US would not want to go to war, that Israel really is likely to feel that it will need the extra kick by creating a situation during the campaign itself.

    But on the other side to this we’ve got the CIA and other still – at least in the ranks – patriotic services. Their job, as routine, is to pick up plots by foreign governments and find ways to thrwart them.

    The question is what extent these still patriotic services are able to do their jobs. Are they demoralized and defeated like the border people? Or are they still able to act for America?

    Let’s see

  26. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    August 7, 2012 - 9:14 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    the point about this being…if KM can think of it…they with their billions of budget and so relevant and specialized purpose skills, contacts and experience, should be able to think of it as well..if they are still allowed to think

  27. omop's Gravatar omop
    August 7, 2012 - 9:22 am | Permalink

    Its been forecast and planned for by Bibi and his pals in the US since the 1990s.

    The reason to invade Iraq was part of a report of a Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000, for Bibi Nethanyahu. Former United States Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Perle was the “Study Group Leader”, but the final report included ideas from James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Robert Loewenberg, Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser.

    The plan proposed new policies:

    Rather than pursuing a “comprehensive peace” with the entire Arab world, Israel should work to “contain, destabilize, and roll-back” those entities that are threats.

    “SYRIA challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and IRAN, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon,

    That given the nature of the regime in Damascus, it is both natural and moral that Israel abandon the slogan comprehensive peace and move to contain Syria, drawing attention to its weapons of mass destruction programs, and rejecting land for peace deals on the Golan Heights.

    That Israel can shape its strategic environment, by focusing on removing Saddam Hussein from power in IRAQ.— an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.

    The plan was prepared before GWB got elected and all those involved worked for Rumsfeld at one time.

    For an in depth review: http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/clean_break.htm

  28. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    August 7, 2012 - 9:30 am | Permalink

    @AWM:

    I “kinda” agree with you. I think the next move is against Syria, before Iran.

  29. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    August 7, 2012 - 9:40 am | Permalink

    @Tom:

    The move against syria has already been going on for months now.

  30. August 7, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Luke, I think ‘Andrew’ is also a ‘disinformation’ agent. The argument that was with Iran would raise awareness of Israeli influence in the USA has appeared before. As always Jew want to cause maximum damage to other people, using whatever gullibles are to hand.
    ..
    omop thanks for the background
    ..
    Mickey Meadows, are you sure the CIA are patriotic, or ever have been? Their existence more-or-less coincides with Jewish ascendancy. And what have they done to investigate false flags?

  31. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    August 7, 2012 - 12:33 pm | Permalink

    @Tom: I’m no military technology expert, but is there anyone out there in the TOO readership community who might be able to tell me if Putin’s deadly Sunburn cruise missiles are sophisticated enough to be programmed for the longitude and latitude, of, say – for a strictly hypothetical example, of the smart mouthed & obnoxiously arrogant, Hildebeast’s skivvies?

    I will admit that if such a destination as that was a feasible and programmable coordinate, then I would probably be inclined to throw a party and celebrate the arrival of that particular suppository.

    It is long overdue, right?

  32. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    August 7, 2012 - 1:05 pm | Permalink

    @Rerevisionist:

    I don’t know for sure Rerevisionist :O(
    But what I think is that in the ranks yes they are. The Israelis have got the political benches by the throat yet there is quiet resistence in America stopping them from getting everything their way. It has to be coming from the intelligence and military. They seem to be least penetrated of all of them. Look at the Iran reports that Buchanan refers to. Look at Pollard.

  33. Dirk's Gravatar Dirk
    August 7, 2012 - 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Israel never announces an attack, see the destruction of the nuclear program of Iraq and Syria. The Iran-drumbeat is to make Israel look poor, to draw attention from the plight of the Palestinians. The problem is that the Israeli army in a dismal state as the Lebanon war in 2006 has shown and the public opinion is turning against the hawks. Secular Jews are tired of the settlement-policy and the huge army/security expendures at the cost of social and economic welfare.

  34. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    August 7, 2012 - 1:12 pm | Permalink

    I will be voting 3rd party this year. Since he made himself Sheldon Adelson’s lap dog, voting for Romney is a non-starter, and I am a conservative, so voting for Obama is out of the question.

    I can’t see how bombing Iran could help Obama. Were he to do that, I anticipate a lot of his supporters would abandon him and vote 3rd party this time around, also.

    Gore Vidal was right when he said that the democrats and the republicans were just opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin. It’s not that they continue to be simply useless but now with campaigns flooded with big money, both parties have become outright dangerous to the well-being of the American people.

  35. Blake Watts's Gravatar Blake Watts
    August 7, 2012 - 1:13 pm | Permalink

    A war with Iran would be a disaster. Iran is a much stronger foe than Iraq. And no, it would NOT be good for WN to invade Iran. It would not benefit anyone here in the USA. Israel would be the only beneficiary.
    Iran has never attacked another country and is not likely to do so even if they have nukes.
    Someone above mentioned “Clean Break” and that tells you the entire story regarding what has been going on in the ME for many years now. Israel wants to destabilize all of its’ neighbors, and in a similar manner American Jews have destabilized white Christian Americans. The Jews cannot abide any sign of cohesion for any group but their OWN. They are the most insecure, no, make that CRAZY, group of hyper ethnocentric nutcases the world has ever known. They run around with a megaphone screaming that everybody is out to get them, while stabbing everybody in the back.
    NUTS!!!!!

  36. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    August 7, 2012 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: I used to be a philo-semite, but, increasingly, I think Israel has become a country dangerous to the well-being and safety of the world, enabled by fools and dangerous and immoral men.

  37. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    August 7, 2012 - 1:21 pm | Permalink

    @Luke:

    In fact, I think that the Israelis have been so used to getting away with every conceivable atrocity and murderous act against their neighbors (and against the USA) and against the Palestinians for so long, that they’ve become addicted to their destructive behavior.

    As people are so fond of reminding us that we should have dealt with the German Corporal in the ’30′s when he first showed signs of being an aggressor to his neighbors, so should Israel have been ealth with when she first decided to be the neighborhood bully. Like all bullies she has become set in her egocentric and aggressive ways.

  38. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 7, 2012 - 2:55 pm | Permalink

    @Felix:
    Great points. We must change the conversation. I say we should all stand up and demand a nuke free middle east on the grounds that the area is sacred to the three monotheistic religions, the historic site of ancient civilizations, and the repository of a substantial portion of the oil which the entire world depends upon. If all that doesn’t add up to a world heritage site, I don’t know what does. Let the Jews try to explain why their claims outweigh all others.

  39. maxsnafu's Gravatar maxsnafu
    August 7, 2012 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: “Those subs are meant for the USA, in case we somehow ever manage to purge these Israel toe sucking treasonous rats out of political office and place pro-White, Nationalist minded leaders in their places.”

    Absolutely correct. I’m astounded that so many are unaware of this.

  40. shark's Gravatar shark
    August 7, 2012 - 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Simpletons, Look at Iran on the map. Iran in the Western fold again would give us huge leverage against Russian and China,the two phenomenal land powers in the region. Russia is tremendously big,twice the size of this country land wise,tons of resources. China is big population wise,5 times the size of this country with the highest IQ’s in the world,Shanghai(112),Hong Kong(110) Ashkenazi IQ’s. A strong position here would curtain Russian and Chinese possible potential capture of the Gulf or strengthening of the Shanghai alliance. We are just a sea power and hence at a huge disadvantage here. We have to project force thousand of miles away. This requires Herculean effort and politically stable ports for our docks. If you think the Pentagon brass can sit on their tookus and control the flow of spice without controling the sea lanes over here vis a vis Russia and China you need to put down the crack pipe.

  41. shark's Gravatar shark
    August 7, 2012 - 9:45 pm | Permalink

    The fact that Israel benifits to this is immaterial. It is a clear win for us. It’s ridiculous to think there will be an invasion. The Pentagon doesn’t want this and it is totally unnecessary. There is a huge Iranian diaspora in the world,1 million alone in LA that would love to return to a Shah era like Iran. If the Israelies,Saudis and Nato arm them to the teeth,as I suspect they will, the Mullahs are going down big time.

  42. shark's Gravatar shark
    August 7, 2012 - 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Luke
    I wasn’t denouncing Ahmadinejad for blustering. Countries do that to influence the markets. That is a given. It would have been wiser for him to keep the Nuclear program under wraps instead of flapping his gums,alarming both the Saudis and Israel,given their huge influence over our Middle Eastern policy. He probably greatly compromised the Shi-ite position throughout the whole region,most obviously in Syria and thus greatly weakened Hezbollah.
    Also if I was a Jew infiltrator I would take one of two tacks. I would toe the party line here and when the subject got around to Muslims I would thoroughly denigrate them. The muslims in France have zero political representation but have the tribe scared. They aren’t passive like Christians so the Jew policy towards Islam is going to subly change in this country and the West in general in due time and become more exclusive of them(but still inclusive of everyone else), I wonder if Quedaffi got the shaft in the end because he gave money to Nation of Islam here?
    The other tack I could take would be to discredit the site by writing long winded verbiage over crackpot scriptural interpretations or wacky propeller hat Atomic bomb theories a la Tyrone Parsons or Rerevisionist.
    Anyone that thinks Iran under the Nato umbrella isn’t a good thing has zero geopolitcal acumen and greatly discredits himself among the geopolitical savvy.

  43. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    August 7, 2012 - 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Shark, perhaps you are the simpleton? Russia may be the future of the white race, why should we seek to provoke them? We should make temporary friends with them, the muslims, and the chinese, and set the jews free to prove they are the smart master race they think they are. Once the muslims wipe out the jews, we can thank them and ask them why they want to live in a sissified, gay loving country like this, and they can go back to their beloved desert.

    P.S. Is anyone suprised that Martin Fleischmann, the “discoverer” of cold fusion that ultimately was proven to be a fraud, was adopted by a Jewish family?
    A fraudulent jewish scientist claiming a great discovery so he could win the Nobel Prize – so typical.

  44. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 8, 2012 - 1:27 am | Permalink
  45. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 8, 2012 - 2:34 am | Permalink

    The rank and file CIA have certainly been busy investigating 9-11, the FBI, likewise, and there are movies aplenty to celebrate their patriotism.

  46. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    August 8, 2012 - 4:35 am | Permalink

    Just to clarify, I am an adherent of the “Bitter Medicine” theory of Nationalism, which suggests that the greater the economic and social hardship on a population, the more unrest and more fertile the political climate for a Nationalist movement. The rise of Nationalism in depression-era Germany, as well as modern Greece and England, support this.

    Likewise, prosperity is poisonous for Nationalism. When the economic good times roll, there is little unrest, little desire for change, and immigration flourishes. Apparently, from what happened in the 20th century, leftism/socialism also flourishes during prosperity, as the state has extra resources to devote to welfare and the like.

    While I like prosperous times, which are good for me personally, it creates a very unfavorable climate for any political movement that seeks drastic change. Upheaval, crime, unemployment, high prices and so forth are “bitter medicine” that forces a population to confront realities. Thus, I think it is likely that a war with Iran, which is likely to add additional economic troubles among other problems, would ultimately be a good thing for the growth of White Nationalism.

    For the WN movement to really gain momentum, we need more medicine. The Jewish burden on the US needs to be heavier and more obvious before White elites react against it. Whites need to be disenfranchised before they begin abandoning their current political parties in large numbers. Non-white crime and discrimination against Whites needs to increase to epidemic proportions before large numbers of Whites begin organizing along ethnic lines.

    I am not saying that WNs should help wreck the nation and economy. The powers that be will do that amazingly well on their own. This century is fated to be one of steady decline for the U.S. on all fronts, as it sinks into the multicultural dystopia, with opportunistic elites at the helm who have little loyalty to this decadent political entity.

    A consequence of this will be the rise of White Nationalism. Of this I am absolutely certain. And while there will be decline, there is no need to overdo the pessimism. Smart, hard-working people will be able to maintain a decent living, as they do even today in South Africa. As the nation weakens, a number of different Nationalist scenarios will become feasible, such as opportunities for secession and so forth. We are looking at a very long process of decline and political change, and Whites are going to be around in large numbers even two centuries from now. There is plenty of time for amazing things to happen.

  47. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 8, 2012 - 11:41 am | Permalink

    @Andrew:
    While I cannot go so far as to think that a war with Iran will be to our benefit, in general I agree. When folks are fat and happy they are easily distracted. As the system fails everywhere we look, more and more people will start to question the underlying assumptions. I sense it all around us, especially among young men. Friends in Texas, quite ordinary, middle class, employed people, say that talk of secession is in the air. They have had it with unprotected boarders, federally mandated programs that are impossible to fulfill, and going broke to support illegal immigrants. In my opinion, when California goes under, entirely from their own foolish choices, and demand that the rest of the country bail them out, it will be a game changer.

    It is certainly true that lots of foolish women, who have never quite managed the difficult task of loving any real live person longer than it takes for passions to cool, but who endlessly call the rest of us cold hearted, along with the usual hysterical minorities will squeal. The country will then ask themselves with a definite sense of wonder, how it is that anyone ever took those folks seriously to begin with. When things change, they will change so fast it will make heads spin.

  48. Kullervo's Gravatar Kullervo
    August 8, 2012 - 1:05 pm | Permalink

    So it begins: I just caught a preview for a movie last night about the Iranian hostage crisis of 1980. Reminding the lemmings of our past grievances against the current Iranian regime. Hollywood is in on the picture.

  49. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 8, 2012 - 1:09 pm | Permalink

    @Kullervo:
    It has been ongoing for quite some time, at least since the release of the Three Hundred. The American people are not buying it this time. Even lemmings know we cannot afford another war, either in blood or treasure.

  50. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 8, 2012 - 2:35 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I know that your comment was made with tongue some ways into your cheek, but I still think it’s worth noting that, judging by stuff I see bits of on the tube, filmic characters’ expressions of patriotism have long had less to do with devotion to blood and soil than with proposition-nationhood-mongering; specifically, with worship of democracy—and with government as its avatar—as the end point and flower of man’s political thought.

    Why is Otto von Habsburg never around when you really need him?

  51. Solly's Gravatar Solly
    August 8, 2012 - 2:42 pm | Permalink

    I dunnoooo….you know what they say about swimming with sharks….

  52. Blake Watts's Gravatar Blake Watts
    August 8, 2012 - 3:04 pm | Permalink

    The “Jewish burden needs to be heavier and more obvious?”
    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    My God, where do I begin? Do you know about the bailouts and subsequent trillions in FED giveaways to Jew gamblers on Wall St.?
    Have you read “The Culture of Critique”?
    The Jewish burden is already so heavy and so obvious that you’d have to be blind if you’re not aware of it.
    I totally disagree that things need to get worse for people to respond. If the majority of whites actually knew and understood who is behind the current massive third world immigration, you can bet there would be hell to pay. It’s just a matter of getting the word out.
    I say the time to move is now. If we do slide into minority status, we are DEAD MEAT. We will be like the whites in South Africa.
    No, we aren’t going to wait for things to get worse, we are going to raise hell NOW and stop abortion and increase white fertility and stop immigration and stop affirmative action and run the godamned feminists out on a rail.
    We’re at 68% and falling rapidly, but aside from that we don’t even have the right to self determination. I mean, My God, we’re screwed NOW and you say things have to get “worse” so that people will react? NO!!!!!!
    The problem is that people don’t understand how bad it is already. The stupid Bolshevik bastards are ready to kill people for eating at ChickFila!!!
    No, the time is now. Enough is enough.

  53. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    August 8, 2012 - 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Blake, although I share your frustration with how screwed up America is, I have to agrew with Andrew and Alice that things will have to get worse for us to have a chance at redemption.
    An amazing quantity of our 68% and falling number actually see no danger in our inevitible minority status, immigration, affirmative action, and all the other ills that will sink us. But sink we will, because there are no amounts of programs, new plans, energetic people, endless piles of money, etc that can rescue a third world population from becoming a third world country. It is really funny to watch minority superintendants come into power with all sorts of promises, enthusiam, and changes – only to end up with low test scores, high expulsions, low graduation rates, and everything else that comes with inner city schools.
    All you really need to know about inner city schools is that jews don’t send their kids to school there, no matter how much advice they offer on fixing them.
    Only a continued decline will wake up middle class whites. I believe the inevitable destruction of that magnificent piece of real estate known as California by a poor Hispanic majority may get the ball rolling. Hopefully, the jews will suffer massive real estate losses, although they will probably find a way to get the state to pick up the costs, or they will default on their mortgages and bankrupt their companies after extracting all the money and hiding it offshore.

  54. August 8, 2012 - 4:08 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: You forgot:
    March 22, 1990 assassination of Gerald Bull.
    March 11, 2004 Madrid train bombings.
    February 14, 2005 assassination of Rafic Hariri.
    July 7, 2005 London bombings.

    The list is endless.

  55. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 8, 2012 - 4:13 pm | Permalink

    @Blake Watts: @Vlad Writes:
    Gentlemen, I understand your frustration, but I think we are on the cusp. There are millions of people out there who would never use our vocabulary nor name the Jew, but they will openly talk about Wall St Bankers and liberal elites. Nothing could have helped more than that nasty college prof who vented his anger on the sweet, hardworking girl at Chic-fil-a. When Obama spoke his classic line about you didn’t build that, millions of people who never owned a business, heard that as the undying desire of Black folks to demand a share in every thing we do or accomplish – as a matter of right! There are millions of white baby-boomers out there who can relate to the bumper sticker – my grandchild is a cat. Poor black and whites can see that the pie is not growing and that only so many people can be carried. All of those idealistic kids who joined the Occupy movement got a taste, up close and personal, on the merits of the underclass. Even the media no longer has a monopoly. If we are smart we can salvage something from this mess.

  56. Kenneth Moerschel's Gravatar Kenneth Moerschel
    August 8, 2012 - 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Dr MacDonald, you were right that Romney would outsource his foreign policy to Netanyahu. Indeed, at one of the debates, Romney did state that he would let Israel set our Mideast policy.

  57. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 8, 2012 - 4:42 pm | Permalink
  58. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 8, 2012 - 4:44 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:
    I have to agrew with > I have to agree with
    Yes, Vlad writes, but does he write English?

  59. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    August 8, 2012 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Obama personally orders the drone strikes; he’s not so squeamish. Obama will be the one to attack Iran, after he wins re election. Israel’s capabilities are greatly overrated. It’s power Jews like those in the Office of Special Plans that are the real false flag operation.

  60. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 8, 2012 - 6:28 pm | Permalink

    @Andrew:

    Just be aware, there will most likely never be a dramatic day when Everything Collapses. This has been a persistent myth within WN and the Right in general. People have been thinking this Total Collapse was just around the corner for 60 years.

    That scenario will never happen. At least not for 100 years. We will have recessions, maybe depressions, but the dream of a Total Collapse is wishful thinking. There are oceans of hard working White people that keep the system working (along with Asians). Every scenario people put out there – Dollar Collapse, Economic Collapse, Resource Collapse, Productivity Collapse, Social Collapse – you could find them breathlessly anticipated in doom-and-gloom newsletters in 1972.

    The general dream is that this collapse will inevitably lead to glorious Turner Diaries style blood bath. I believe this is all End Times religious thinking in a secular context. I’m afraid it also keeps us from engaging the real world.

  61. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 8, 2012 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    @Andrew:

    I do agree that things may have to worse for Whites before anything changes. Things are just too comfortable for most Whites. But I would caution everyone about using NS Germany as THE model for how things will turn out. Americans, indeed most Whites (and even most Germans) are not really into mass Oriental style group movements under a “supreme leader”. We don’t really want to be commanded about in military parades and uniforms. We don’t want our children to give oaths of personal obedience to political leader.

  62. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 8, 2012 - 6:59 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    There is a great demo of our task in tonight’s PBS Newshour . In an piece on the Latest Crazyman, they had some guy from ADL and a college prof who specialize in hate groups. He calmly described all we hold dear, in a tone of voice and using words that make it self evident that we are all mad. I have come to hate the word conspiracy. We all know that there are thousands of self-forming conspiracies of people with common interests. But it is one of those words with so many connotations attached to it that it is nearly useless. Can some of you wordsmiths out there provide us with better phrases?

  63. shark's Gravatar shark
    August 8, 2012 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    vlad writes.
    Surely you don’t blame California’s takeover all on the Jew. Go over to Vdare and read some of Guzzardi’s articles,former Alter boy. He’s the Catholic Finklestein.
    Anyway it is not in Russia’s interest to get involved in this,furthermore they can be bought,and it looks like they have been.
    Invasion ain’t happening folks,hate to disappoint you.
    After Iran is in the fold maybe we and the Israelies can establish a home for all the Kurds. This would give the west and Isreal some leverage in forming allliance to limit future Shanghail alliance in the region.
    Maybe with Hezbollah power reduced the Isrealies can re-establish the Maronites in Lebanon. They should if thay are wise.Joo worshipers are a hell of alot easier to boss around than the Dune coons.

  64. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 8, 2012 - 7:11 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    We all know that there are thousands of self-forming conspiracies of people with common interests.

    That is a great line. We should all remember that groups of people with similar interests often start acting as one without the guidance of a secret leader or script. I remember Hillary Clinton claiming there was a vast right-wing conspiracy to get her husband. Of course, there was conspiracy in the literal sense, but tons of people really did work against them. It didn’t require secret decoder rings. Remember how silly she looked and how the Right chuckled at her? And yet, they really were working against the Clintons in a somewhat coordinated fashion (Limbaugh, Drudge, Newsmax, etc.) without the need for central command-and-control. But when Hillary used the word conspiracy, she looked crazy and paranoid.

    We should come up with a better term. I believe MacDonald has used terms like “pursuing group interests” and the like. We don’t want to get distracted by having to prove some literal criminal conspiracy. This is just social dynamics. If you have groups and nations vying for power, you will natural get blocks of people that work together to achieve common goals.

  65. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 8, 2012 - 7:12 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Grrr, I meant to say, there was NO conspiracy in the literal sense against Hillary. I wish there was an edit function for comments.

  66. Blake Watts's Gravatar Blake Watts
    August 8, 2012 - 8:17 pm | Permalink

    A “conspiracy” is just a long range plan. But the word itself has been hijacked by the Jews to label anyone who’s on to them as a nutcase. In the past it worked, but not so effective now. Same as “racist” and “anti-semite.” I just shrug it off, knowing that the browns and blacks and Jews are rabid and vicious anti-white bigots, and their hate and intolerance is the real problem.
    “Things have to get worse?”
    The ChickFila thing seems pretty awful to me. Sure, it backfired on them, but still, their egos are inflated and they believe that they have us on the run. Look at the Trayvon Martin case, and the subsequent revenge beatings and killings that never made the news. No, things are bad enough for me.
    OH! I live and work with minorities in Los Angeles, so my racial sensitivity is a few years ahead of the curve. Let me tell you, as KM has repeatedly said, when whites become a minority it will NOT be good for whites. My point is that our standing is shrinking rapidly and we need to flex our muscles now, that is, what muscles we have left to flex.
    And I agree that the idea that one day the shit will hit the fan and the big collapse comes and THEN we get our country back. That’s dreamland, and it keeps people from doing what needs to be done NOW.

  67. Blake Watts's Gravatar Blake Watts
    August 8, 2012 - 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Make that I DISAGREE that we have to wait for a “collapse” to get our country back.

  68. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    August 8, 2012 - 8:21 pm | Permalink

    @JasonSpeaks
    I agree that there is not going to be any immediate “big collapse”. However, the US decline is fated, mainly because of demographics. The productive Baby Boomers retiring, with fewer workers supporting more retirees, along with the rise of Socialism here brought on by the new crop of voters, will result in higher taxes, less economic growth, generally a higher misery index. Economic cycles go up and down, but those factors will be leading the US down, with California as a good example of whats to come. Socialism can be quite an economic drag, as we see from past experiments on that route. The new demographics bring other problems such as crime, discrimination, racial discord and so forth that also add to the misery index.

    I mention depression-era Germany, because it was an environment where there was fertile ground for a drastic political shift. I don’t foresee a “Great Leader”, necessarily, but we do need elites as leaders for things to happen. My idea of the ideal leader is Brigham Young, leading a ragtag group to found their own nation outside of a US completely hostile to them. Of course, I have LDS heritage, but I am hard pressed to think of someone else in history with his character, intelligence, fortitude and good judgement (besides G. Washington and Cincinattus). I envision certain parts of the US self-segregating over time, as Whites emigrate from minority-held areas like Southern California. Eventually, there will be majority-White areas in a majority non-White nation that is hostile to Europeans, and it will just make sense to separate.

    Naturally, this is speculation, but this seems very likely to me. That is why it is so important to build and promote a suitable ideology and philosophy now, that will be ready when it is needed. It needs to be friendly and acceptable for Whites, meeting their psychological needs, including fairness, morality and principle. This is why the old toxic Nationalist stuff with Hitler, the Holocaust, anti-Christianism, the N-word, negativity, defeatism and so forth needs to go. Count me in as 100% behind Professor McDonald in his efforts to lead the forging of a new White Nationalism.

  69. Kullervo's Gravatar Kullervo
    August 8, 2012 - 8:25 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Yes, but they are zeroing in specifically on Iran now. Before it was vague and general.

  70. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 8, 2012 - 9:17 pm | Permalink

    @Andrew:

    Yes, I agree, we will have long term stagnation at best, but probably slow decline for decades to come, due to the factors you mentioned. And that will cause Whites to wake up to some extent.

    And I also agree that there will be self-segregation. I don’t know what form it will take, but in the long run it will happen. Or at least I certainly hope so! My worst case scenario is for us to become like Brazil, a mulatto nation that is not recoverable.

  71. Connor McNessa's Gravatar Connor McNessa
    August 8, 2012 - 9:53 pm | Permalink
  72. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 9, 2012 - 12:34 am | Permalink

    @Connor McNessa: Dr. Pangloss would raise a toast to a bumper crop of patriotic SWAT movies and TV shows coming down the pipe.

  73. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    August 9, 2012 - 2:33 am | Permalink

    Dr. Pangloss would raise a toast to a bumper crop of patriotic SWAT movies and TV shows coming down the pipe.

    Oh for sure, it’s like a hidden hand is conspiring to make the people very comfy with all kinds of militarism.
    On the one hand, it is the MSM promoting lefty social agendas like homosexuality and multi-culti , and on the other it is GI Joe TV time and GI Jane too .

    But , that would fall under the heading of conspiracy , so it should not be talked about because it turns people off.

  74. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    August 9, 2012 - 7:57 am | Permalink

    @shark: I’m getting endless mixed messages when I watch Putin on the national stage, and can’t quite decide what to think about him. But, he sure did benefit a lot by the USA going to war against Iraq and causing tension in the Middle East, which drove up the price of oil.

    I believe that I’ve read that Putin’s Russia has paid off it’s entire national debt, and the fact that Russia is a big oil producing nation and the profits they made off of their oil sales played a critical role in helping them retire their nation’s debt. As we all know, jews can’t stand it when any gentile nation isn’t buried under massive indebtedness to their jewish bankers – which could help explain why jews are spewing so much venom at Putin.

  75. Solly's Gravatar Solly
    August 9, 2012 - 9:51 am | Permalink

    Shark! You’re Jewish, aren’t you? And – your methodology of trying to accomplish what-is-good-for-the-Jews, but clothing it in the appearance of good-for-all-of-us-in-the-West is terribly shopworn. You need a fresh tack.

  76. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 9, 2012 - 11:34 am | Permalink

    @Solly:

    Shark!You’re Jewish aren’t you?…You need a fresh tack.

    He needs a fresh name too! Shark is too obvious for a typical Jew.

    It is remarkable how Jews in whatever way try to sell an attack on Iran. Jew “Someday” tries to sell the idea by saying that it is simply inevitable, Jew “Shark” that it is “good for America”.

    The only reason Israel and their Jewish sayanim in the West try to force such a disastrous war on innocent Iran, is that as a psychopathic bullies they cannot allow a country in their neighbourhood that is not weak and subservient to them. They know damned well that Iran has NO nuclear arms program and they simply LIED that Ahmedinejad called for Israel to be “wiped off the map”. Iran is a strong, proud and independent nation and THEREFORE the Jews want to destroy it.

    This is also the reason why Jews in the diaspora can’t stand strong, proud and independent people, they do everything in their power to ruin them.
    How they do that we can learn from such books as The Culture of Critique etc.

    It is the typical behaviour of the destructive parasites that they are, and knowing that they have been engaged in such behaviour for more than 3000 years we can safely assume that it is genetic and can never change.

    Jewish sharks will always exist.

  77. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    August 9, 2012 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    @shark: Regime change in Tel Aviv first. The civilized world cannot afford to let a state with nuclear weapons go rogue or continue to be run by mad men.

  78. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 9, 2012 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    Folks:

    This war with Iran business is supposed to be the last nail in America’s coffin. I would suggest that the “Jews” are not only trying to push the US into the conflict for their expanding the borders of “Israel” desire but also as a trap for America where they have our troops all over the globe (not at home where they are needed) so as to set us up for disaster. If they get their way (and Obama will most like go along with another false flag come October) any hopes of American troops being brought home are gone.

    Surface fleets as they stand today are almost a moot point in warfare. There are simply too many ways to take out aircraft carriers by the larger powers in the world. Both Russia and China said they would side with Iran so if we do, WW3 will start to go full bloom.

    It is now said Obama wants to disarm all border patrol come his next term. I’m telling ya, he has been paving the way (like others before him) for a foreign military invasion of America.

    Let no one fool you. There are Chinese troops in South and Central America. Mexico is a Marxist state and those “drug gangs” are Marxist paramilitary outfits who have been stashing arms military grade arms and material all over our southern border. Russia has said it now plans on putting nukes in Cuba as Obama wants to cut our stockpile.

    If one adds it all up it is clear they want to sacrifice America overseas, weaken us with in, set our Government against its citizens while prepping the way for a host of nations to physically invade us from the south and you can bet the “Jews” will then let the dollar free fall when the SHTF.

    What will they gain? Destruction of America’s European/White Christian peoples- the end of America’s dominance in the World. So who can step up to the plate in the west and take their place? You guessed it, “Israel” will.

    Expect what I stated to go down but America will end up winning at home and when this happens, the Asian and Muslim powers will see that their only hope of not being enslaved to a new Western Power is if they combine forces and make a bid toward conquering the ME.

    This will be “Israel’s” undoing because in order for them to hold the area they will need the combined help of the white/Christian/European nations of the world and this means they will have to open up to allow us to flood the area.

    When in “Israel” we will then be in a position to take out the elite lunatics among them by capture and trial. Unfortunately, this is also when we will have to clean up the mess they created but keep in mind, after our victory, all our problems will be over

  79. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    August 9, 2012 - 12:32 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Yep, I think this “the end is near” stuff is mostly Jews trying to get gentiles to buy their silver, gold, guns, etc. etc. I’m not saying you shouldn’t own a weapon, or own some silver & gold, but, most of the doomsday hype can be traced back to Jewish merchants. LOL.

    As far as Syria goes, it could be the trip wire that sets off a war with Iran, or even a wider war.

    @Mickey, yeah there are thinly veiled covert operations taking place, but, no out & out US/UN/NATO bombing or troops etc. in Syria. Not yet anyway. Everyday we get closer to it.

    @ Luke, as far as Syrian & Iranian military weapons, let’s not forget these people have been at it since the start of recorded history. So, in all probabilty, they have more than a few tricks up their sleeve.

  80. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    August 9, 2012 - 12:40 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:
    As always a wholly unrealistic scenario from a wholly unrealistic mind.

  81. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 9, 2012 - 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Oh, for crying out loud- it is not “end of the world” is the end of America and the World as you know it. Obviously some folks have no idea the geo political reality of this world. All one needs to do to verify what I have said is to do some searches on southern Az and Texas counties to see all the weapon stashes authorities have uncovered already (fully autos-RPG’s-grenades-uniforms-helmets-body armor-50 cals etc etc). Do a Google on Obama’s plan for his second term. Do a search on the border patrols recent press conference in DC when they complain about now having to release basically ALL illegals. Do a search of American military movements within the US- massive and constant rail trains carrying tanks, APCs, etc to the border and by the way, I have seen them myself. Do a search on foreign militaries in South and Central America (Panama has had its own Chinese language news paper since the early 90′s and they own Hutchinson-Wompah who owns both the Pacific and Atlantic canal gates. Do a search on the Mexican “drug war” where over 40 thousand have died and Obama and Holder sent sh-tloads of arms to these Marxist Paramilitary outfits via the false flag designed to arm them while using increased violence in America as another pretense to confiscate guns from Americans.

    I love it when the ignorant and trolls line up against me. When these things transpire- they are the ones looking like the fool (although they will try and deny it) while the truly skeptical peoples illusions are shattered. They can’t win, so it puzzles me why they still try…..oh well..

  82. franz's Gravatar franz
    August 9, 2012 - 2:00 pm | Permalink

    It is a shame that there is no protest from white America against the way their representatives lick jew boots.

  83. Paul Hausser's Gravatar Paul Hausser
    August 9, 2012 - 2:19 pm | Permalink

    @AWM:

    I totally agree with your assessment. The IR of Iran is a tough Nationalist country. They have been mass producing the missles and the IRGC is a very tough foe.

    Israel by themselves would be smashed. The IDF talks tough about how great they are but I dismiss the whole thing as a psywar op on there part.

    Gordon Duff reports that privately the US military regards the IDF as having a few good units but many more are average at best with troops that are mandatory enlistees doing their stint.

    The US needs to let Israel get their asses kicked bad enough that they would be humbled for years to come

  84. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 9, 2012 - 3:36 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    You said:

    That scenario will never happen. At least not for 100 years. We will have recessions, maybe depressions, but the dream of a Total Collapse is wishful thinking.

    Answer:

    One needs to define their terms. Of course not a “total” collapse but a collapse in free fall, much like what happened to the Weimar German Republic. There will be systems in place so everyone does not starve but these systems will be completely connected to those who control the US Gov. Plus the re-inhabited Republics I have spoken about will (or should) be fully funded and operational by this time. This will give American’s a choice at least and we are confident that most people (whites/Christians) will join the Republics by this time. The minorities (most) along with the gangs will use the chaos to try to murder and steal as much as they can.

    Don’t say it won’t or can’t happen because it is inevitable. The present “Fed” system with its fiat currency (monopoly money) is ONLY propped up right now because the dollar is still the main reserve currency for the world, but there is a massive alliance being built by mostly eastern powers to drop the dollar and instead back their alliance by something else. Once these 132 some odd nation alliance are secure you can bet your as- they will ALL drop the dollar and call in on their debts. Most all of America (homes, property, houses, tracks of land, parks, bridges etc) are OWNED by the IMF, China, Saudi and they have unlawfully seized control of all of this through the elite “Jews” ponzy scheme. It is mathematically impossible to repay this unlawful debt- they (the Jewish bankers) set it up this way. So now the Bankers are trying to hold on and prop up the dollar as long as they can-continuing a semi controlled collapse while the eastern nations are positioning themselves to soften the blow to themselves when the time comes.
    You people act like this is crazy talk when it has happened to MANY nations around the world. Russia being the last most memorable one.

  85. mari's Gravatar mari
    August 9, 2012 - 8:12 pm | Permalink

    To know what Israel is planning just watch Fox TV. Every time I channel surf past that channel they are going on and on about how Iran is a dire threat to Israel and the US should bomb Iran. Yesterday they had Israeli lobbyist John Bolton on urging the US to bomb Iran.

    It is so disgusting. Both Obama and Romney are kowtowing to the Israelis. They act like provincial governors of the Turkish Empire begging the Sultan for some favors.

    Kowtowing is more than bowing. It is lying flat on the stomach and pouring dust over one’s head to signify to the Emperor how lowly one is and more important, totally subservient to the Emperor.

    What would a man from Mars think? The leadership of the most powerful nation on earth subservient to Israel, a tiny freckle on the face of the earth.

    The situation reminds me of that Jerry Seinfield monologue about people walking dogs and picking up after them. What would a man from outer space think asks Jerry. He would think the human picker uppers and providers of food and shelter were the slaves and the dogs the masters.

  86. mari's Gravatar mari
    August 9, 2012 - 8:29 pm | Permalink

    I saw that PBS ( Propaganda Bolsheviki Station) about the latest neo nazi evil White man and the Sikh Temple shooting.

    The idiot intellectual professor Peter Simi I think was his name is from the University of Nebraska. He has made a good taxpayer living since 1991 studying evil people like us, White nationalists who he calls neo nazi White supremacists.

    He claimed he knew the shooter well, having spent time in California studying the shooter and his fellow evil Whites. I bet he managed to do his academic studing of evil Whitey in Sunny S. California during those long cold Nebraska winters.

    The ADL and FBI both claimed that they knew about the shooter and had been observing him and his fellow evil Whiteys for years. Well, I always have said that the composition of the standard 10 person neo nazi 3K White supremacist cell consists of:
    1 adl agent, 1 splc agent, 1 ajc agent, 1 mossad sayanim agent, 2 atf agents, 2 fbi agents, 1 DOJ agent and one White guy who lives in a group home for developmentally disabled adults.

    The feminazi host and the anti White haters were going on and on about the bizarre beliefs of the evil shooter. Those beliefs, especially about affirmative action which ruined my life in every way from professionally and finacially to my family and health are my ten commandments.

    From the minute I heard about it I assumed it was the same sort of set up as the Randy Weaver murders by a Japanese FBI agent

  87. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 9, 2012 - 9:22 pm | Permalink

    @Tom: Ag $4 oz a decade ago, now $27, Au $250 a decade ago, now $1600 odd. Not a bad performance for the doomsayers.

  88. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 9, 2012 - 9:25 pm | Permalink
  89. charvlie's Gravatar charvlie
    August 9, 2012 - 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Any country that dares not to buy their money at interest from a private central bank and thus grow and prosper instead of having its wealth drained and its culture destroyed by the central private Luciferian banks will be dealt with.
    You saw what happened to Russia in 1917, Prewar Germany, Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia, etc. etc., so there is no excuse Syria and Iran. You have been warned.
    Modern Russia can also take this as fair warning. Look what happened last time.

  90. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    August 9, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Shark:

    I don’t blame the jews for everything. Quite a few traitorous white idiots are going along with our destruction. I hope the jews suffer when the system shudders under its own weight, but I imagine they won’t be the last rats off the sinking ship.

  91. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 9, 2012 - 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Gentlemen, I wonder what you mean when you dismiss the notion of a collapse. We are currently in collapse. Our schools are not educating our children, the only question is how short various schools fall. Our cities are not safe. Our Constitution is in shreds. The financial system is trusted by no one. Congress pays no attention to the will of the people. Freedom is in constant decline. I could go on and on. It may not be the dramatic scenes from a movie or novel, but the quality of life, civility, culture and commerce are in the tank. The land that defines itself by the notion that all men are created equal has a government that daily enforces mandated affirmative actions favoring one sex and skin color. The majority of the population, the founding people of this nation – us – are not even replacing ourselves, much less growing and prospering. Sure sounds like a long, slow collapse to me.

    For all of that, we still have some power. We will not attack Iran. The Jews of America are really good at taking the temperature of the American people. They know just how angry we are about the financial mess and the two wars we were lied into. We will not stand for another war. and both parties know it. So, the leftist Jews are rising up and challenging Israel and Washington Jews for the upper hand, It will soon be used to prove that Jews do not always act in concert. Don’t you guys know the acts of the Kabuki Dance yet?

  92. alfred's Gravatar alfred
    August 9, 2012 - 11:57 pm | Permalink

    @shark:
    China is big population wise,5 times the size of this country with the highest IQ’s in the world,Shanghai(112),Hong Kong(110) Ashkenazi IQ’s
    Yeah right….really how does it come to be so true that these high IQ’s people did not create the world of SCIENCE MATHEMATICS GEOMETRY GEOLOGY MUSIC THEATER TRAGEDY COMEDY BIOLOGY HISTORY PHYSICS ATOM THEORY PHYSIOLOGY MEDICINE based in evidence PHILOSOPHY Museums LOGICS etc etc etc….all of them from day one originally GREEK in essence and significance by the real first self conscious civilization on this planet ???I have this problem ,you know, about the technicality of all these rubbish justifications and arguments and false reasoning about the jewish and chinese intelectual prowess and still the FACTS are decisively against any claims about that said prowess…and proved again and again that the “whitey” are the real ones to have developed further the Greek spirit and reached the moon…and now we have all these anti Greek societies spreading their own self reassuring pseudo cultures abusing the same tools molded bu the Greek mind…how ironic !!! I have some issues about the IQ tests which by far I can reduce to three important fields that would change the situation in favor of the “whiteys’ by applying only the tests that really count to build on an analysis on the subject …no more language or text interpretations …no more association testings…only the real stuff…but that would change the whole situation and would lower some races too much…LOL…

  93. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    August 10, 2012 - 12:56 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    http://sleepbutawhile.com/2012/08/01/questions-the-msm-doesnt-ask-about-james-holmes/

    Yeah , yet another official version that is looking like it is tumbling down like large buildings made of toothpicks and sand.

    But, why bother with it? It looks too conspiracy kooky. It’s bad for ratings . It turns viewers off.

  94. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 10, 2012 - 1:35 am | Permalink
  95. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    August 10, 2012 - 2:47 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Dearest Alice, did Noam Chumpsky write 10,000 or 30,000
    pages about ‘Corporate Control, and how he bemoaned that’?

    He never used terms like ‘Jew’ or ‘Jewish Billionaire’!!!
    With 40% of Billionaires Israeli, he didnt notice?

  96. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    August 10, 2012 - 2:54 am | Permalink

    Kevin, the LA Times is a bad joke.
    A few days ago PAGE 2 had the Trannie ‘Beauty pageant’.

    A step up from the 500 pound black drag queen they once put on page 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  97. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    August 10, 2012 - 7:22 am | Permalink

    I recommend this book by Elizabeth Dilling to fully understand Jewish subversion:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Dilling

    http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html

  98. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 10, 2012 - 7:46 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Shut up already with your bloody annoying facts! They are such a downer when nice people are trying to concoct really cool theories.

  99. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    August 10, 2012 - 7:53 am | Permalink

    Call it civilian research if you want, but Iran is pursuing a nuclear power program (they’re entitled to under international agreements) that will eventually give it the capability to build a nuclear bomb.

    Iran needs a bomb because only a nuke could deter the US from a Lybia style intevention. They have to go for one and Obama has said it is unacceptable for them to get it. Israel does not have to do anything to bring about a US attack on Iran.

  100. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 10, 2012 - 7:58 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    We are currently in collapse.

    That this is even debated is stupefying.

    Did you see Paul Craig Roberts’s most recent column on VDARE? He links to an exposé on this year’s so-called election race that ought to shock democracy voluptuaries into at least a brief state of awakeness and awareness. It won’t, though. Our fellow white folks just don’t seem to give a damn about their own coming enslavement, if not annihilation.

  101. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 10, 2012 - 8:23 am | Permalink

    @mari:

    I always have said that the composition of the standard 10 person neo nazi 3K White supremacist cell consists of 1 adl agent, 1 splc agent, 1 ajc agent, 1 mossad sayanim agent, 2 atf agents, 2 fbi agents, 1 DOJ agent and one White guy who lives in a group home for developmentally disabled adults.

    How right you are! And how I wish I had copied and pasted this into my own far less incisive description of the situation on another thread.

  102. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 10, 2012 - 8:25 am | Permalink

    @90404:
    You have become a symbol in my mind of the sane man living in an insane world who is saved by his sense of humor. There may come a day when the celebration of the 500 pound black drag queen becomes the icon of our decline and fall.

  103. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 10, 2012 - 8:28 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    Does this mean that you approve of my investment in fruit trees and flocks of chickens?

  104. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 10, 2012 - 8:50 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Sensible people have long viewed politics with disdain as a filthy business at best. We do, however, have a very sensitive barometer regarding our own economic well being. It has now become increasingly difficult to avoid reality and we don’t like what we see. I know that New Yorkers do not share our Southern affection for euphemisms, but I promise you they are flying fast and furious.

  105. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 10, 2012 - 9:24 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: If you don’t stop calling me a New Yorker, I may have to stop liking you, Alice. (**HUMOR ALERT**)

    It is hardly an exaggeration to say that I am a prisoner in a cell of others’ making. At any rate, that is how I regard myself in this nightmare metropolis. Five or six years ago, when I had a good salary and the prospects of keeping it were just as good, I took steps to move several hundred miles from here. I didn’t do so primarily because two very dear friends (one of them now deceased) asked me not to. I now deeply regret that I failed to act when I could have, but I don’t regret acceding to the wishes of two of the literal handful of people who give a damn whether I live or die.

    As you know at least as well as I do, of such dilemmas is life made. Besides, I can euphemize as well as the next man or woman once I put my mind to it!

  106. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 10, 2012 - 9:56 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    And here was I thinking I was being so very gracious by not calling you a damn Yankee! I quite agree with your proper sense of priorities. I simply want to send hope your way that things may not be as dire as they seem when living in the belly of the beast.

  107. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 10, 2012 - 10:00 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Post Scriptum I am crushed that you think I need a humor alert!

  108. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 10, 2012 - 12:26 pm | Permalink

    @mari:

    You said

    Well, I always have said that the composition of the standard 10 person neo nazi 3K White supremacist cell consists of:
    1 adl agent, 1 splc agent, 1 ajc agent, 1 mossad sayanim agent, 2 atf agents, 2 fbi agents, 1 DOJ agent and one White guy who lives in a group home for developmentally disabled adults.

    Comment:

    Very true!

  109. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    August 10, 2012 - 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Pierre, I am in that handful of those who hope you continue living a long and healthy life. I can’t imagine being held prisoner in hymietown – you would be welcome down South, you know. Real estate is quite cheap down here, and remains pleasantly segregated, for the most part – everyone knows where to go and live, and where to avoid – but as Southerners, we tend not to talk about it.
    You can get 1200 square feet on one floor, with a garage, on about 1/4 acre, for no more than 100 grand in a small, southern town of white folks! You could rent it for 750 a month!

  110. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 10, 2012 - 6:46 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: The humor alert was for those third parties who expect and need to have their hand held; certainly not for you! (In short, you are right to be a bit miffed. I’m sorry.)

    Indeed, now that I reread the comment above, written nine hours ago, it sounds awfully peevish. I regret that, too, Alice. I fear you touched a very sore spot. I’ve wanted to go, oh, almost anywhere else since I was thirty-five, about which time the attractions of music, dance, and opera that New York has (better, had then) in abundance began to lose their savor when tallied up against the dirt, the crime, the expense, and the dreadful, dreadful people, especially those one encounters on public transportation.

    Time for me to stop complaining, however—at least till tomorrow!

  111. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 10, 2012 - 7:35 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Perhaps it will console you to know it really is terribly hard for true New Yorkers to make the transition. Despite all your magic with words you would make silly mistakes like saying that a southern lady was miffed or worse still, had upbraided you! You may on occasion disappoint me, and I may offer a very gentle admonition, but I wouldn’t dream of upbraiding you!

    I count it a measure of my husband’s love that he has lived for years at a time without the real treasures of New York, a decent slice of pizza and real Chinese food not to mention a Thai restaurant. I freely admit to all here that my brief time living in Manhattan left me with a lifelong yearning for a real Jewish deli, which I believe to be the true wedge into our world.

    I am sorry to hear that I touched a nerve. If health allows, we have a couple of guest rooms, if you ever decide to check out what you have been missing. It will seem like an expedition into a strange, exotic world. where the majority is white and civility still lives. You are always welcome. Don’t worry about the language barrier, I am bilingual. AliceTeller@hotmail.com

  112. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 10, 2012 - 7:53 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:

    Yes, we may have depressions, currency collapses, any and all of that stuff. But that is not the Total Collapse ending in Mad Max scenarios, which most preppers and people on the “Far Right” have been lusting after and predicting for 60 years. The dream is that this utter collapse of the power grid, banking system and civilization itself, would lay the groundwork for decades of sweet race war and furious bloodletting.

    That is what I am deeply skeptical of. It is also an easy way out. It’s a kind of wish, a hope, that some deus ex machina will swoop down and save us all. It’s just not a good strategy to sit around hoping for that.

  113. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    August 10, 2012 - 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Pierre ,
    I live rurally in the north. I live in a trailer down by the river . There is a nice bridge just down river , and I have some really large cardboard fridge boxes. The fishing is good and the highway is near for some $erious pop bottle collectin’
    That is , if you are really stuck.

    Just trying to help.

  114. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 10, 2012 - 8:09 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I would distinguish between decline and collapse. For example, I would not say Great Britain collapsed after WWII, just that it went into a relative decline. And while the structure of the Soviet Union collapsed, there were not millions of starving people in the street. Russia continues to be a power to be reckoned with, as does Great Britain on some level.

    The US will probably continue to slide further for many decades to come, but it will remain extremely powerful. After all, we do have enormous numbers of working, accurate nuclear missiles that can hit any city on earth inside an hour. That is power.

    And we still have tons of resources. Our currency is still the world reserve currency and will probably remain so for years to come (although, at some point, something has got to give!).

    I think it is our Anglo-Saxon sense of right and wrong that makes us think, that surely, after violating the laws of man and God for so long, judgment must be coming! But I am afraid these things take forever to play out, which is why it is so hard to warn people about them.

    To people like us, in another sense, a collapse is taking place. The people, culture and country we loved is disappearing. But that doesn’t mean a powerful nation, called the United States, won’t continue to be relatively wealthy and very powerful for years to come, even if we don’t recognize or identify with it.

  115. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 10, 2012 - 8:15 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I agree that the Mad Max scenario is a silly form of wish fulfillment, but it does show that a lot of ordinary, prudent people were badly shaken by the reality of New Orleans in Hurricane Katrina. We may be in for scattered, localized disasters. We are all living with the reality of the consequences of affirmative action. Turns out that when you remove a sufficient proportion of white men from positions of authority, dull, important things like the infrastructure are not attended too.

    We must not dismiss all preppers. They should be fertile ground for us. We need allies who share some of our worldview, not ideological purity.

  116. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 10, 2012 - 8:26 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Sorry Jason, I missed your comment addressed to me. I agree with all you say. I do however, foresee the possibility of some difficult days ahead. Our entire network of systems have been in the wrong hands for a long time now. There may be very difficult and painful adjustments ahead. Life becomes very hard when all trust is lost. Who do you really trust to keep the things going? It is neither lack of food nor power that establishes food deserts in black areas.

  117. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 10, 2012 - 8:38 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Oh, I didn’t mean to dismiss preppers. And it really depends on what you mean. Everyone should prepare for losing a job, losing income, or having to live without groceries or power for some period of time (after all, natural disasters do happen). Although, I don’t think there are very many true hardcore preppers in the world, of the variety that plan for being without power for years. Not to be flippant, but we’ve probably seen most of them on Discovery channel.

    As for local areas having trouble, I think all of us should try to live among among safe, trustworthy, White people in the future (if we aren’t already). It makes good sense from every perspective. If things don’t change, we will go the way of Mexico or Brazil, and the best you can hope for is to be in the Whiter, safer areas.

  118. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 10, 2012 - 9:13 pm | Permalink

    @Mark White: Thanks. Serendipity had it that I glanced at this line from the PDF:
    Lazar Kaganovich, former all powerful head of all Soviet industry, a Jew whose family intermarried with Stalin’s, is no longer in power. But, his place, as an all-powerful dictator of Soviet industry, has been taken by another Jew, Dymshits.

    There’s surely something aetiological I’m missing here.

  119. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 10, 2012 - 9:30 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: True believers should load up with tax-free muni’s. I can think of no greater act of courage.

  120. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 10, 2012 - 10:14 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I seem to be expressing myself very badly today. The point I was trying to make is that we should be paying attention to niche-markets comprised of people who may be open to some of our ideas. I have no idea how many hard-core preppers there are, but enough people are at least thinking about the subject to sustain a thriving commercial subculture. We should be building bridges.

  121. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 11, 2012 - 12:09 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: I thought short-selling oneself was illegal in NYC?

  122. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 11, 2012 - 12:35 am | Permalink

    @John hearns: If you admire long-term, happy marriages, this one on the ratings-recruitment nexus might tickle your fancy. Not surprisingly, it doesn’t dwell much on Hollywood’s quid pro quo, but TOO’ers can guess for themselves why she’s a sucker for khaki.
    http://kat.ph/operation-hollywood-tv-rip-t1143895.html

  123. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    August 11, 2012 - 1:55 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    You said

    we may have depressions, currency collapses, any and all of that stuff. But that is not the Total Collapse ending in Mad Max scenarios, which most preppers and people on the “Far Right” have been lusting after and predicting for 60 years.

    Comment:

    Well, I am not one who lusts for such things although I do think we are entering a time that America will see a “perfect storm” of sorts. I do expect the US military will get caught in a disastrous situation with regard to Iran. I think that when this happens it will most likely cripple our conventional military capabilities in the region.

    I do expect a financial collapse that will be likened to Germany’s. I also expect increased weather wars (HAARP etc) throughout the world. I expect American to go through a phase soon that will see European American regular folks (primarily) having to stand up against the “Jews” that control the Corporation UNITED STATES while also having to fend off a physical invasion and blood thirsty minorities and gangs. There will be a visible (right now it is not) split within the US military, sheriffs, cops etc at home. Most will side with the people, a certain amount with the “Jews” and other globalists.

    I see this time coming up for America as the worst events this nation, this land, will ever witness. I do believe we will win. I also expect white nations (Christian) from around the world having to flood “Israel” and then having to take on the Asian and Muslim powers of the east. I think all of the above will play out over the next 16 years or so.

    Prepping is a smart thing to do. Worst case scenario is that one will have food and survival gear stored up which is always wise.

  124. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 11, 2012 - 4:21 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: One lives dangerously on occasion.

  125. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 11, 2012 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: The word must be getting out even (especially?) to our Jewish friends. People were getting 10 and 12 percent returns (TTE) on munis in the nineties. What are the rates now—3 percent? less?

  126. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 11, 2012 - 7:23 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Self-effacement in NYC is indeed risky behaviour, but I meant that radius of your concerned might be wider than a mere handful (virtual pals, granted).

    Here’s a snapshot of the mother of all bubbles. As for timing the pop, the gizzards just won’t be read.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/bonds/composite_bond_rates

  127. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 11, 2012 - 8:15 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    When that treasury bubble pops, will it be accompanied by wild inflation?

  128. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 11, 2012 - 9:51 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Inflation, ie. growth in supply of money is what caused the bubble. But I assume you’re referring to the price of everyday goods, and the answer is…it depends. My view is that many muni issues will end up as wallpaper, but that the monetary authorities will do their best to avoid hyperinflation, which damages their franchise. Federal default on entitlements could ease the debt burden, but that risks civil disorder. Debt reduction by default or redemption would exert downward pressure on prices in general. So it depends on the policy response authorities adopt.

    We’re coming to the end of a secular downtrend in interest rates that dates back to 1981; effectively two trading generations have never operated without this tailwind.

    As the same monetary architecture prevails in all jurisdictions (minor cosmetic differences aside), system fragility and sovereign risk interest all countries, and so collapse will not be isolated but generalized. Unlike circumscribed crises like the Weimar era or Assignat episode in pre-revolutionary France – where money could and indeed did flee to safe currencies, precipitating an acute but short-lived episode – nowadays there is no sound currency, and so the crisis is likely to be of greater duration, resisted as it will be by all national monetary authorities.

    Fiat currencies historically have failed without exception; never has the entire world had fiat money, so it’s entirely apposite to speak of a revolution of sorts. No need to veer off into Mad Max hyperbole.

  129. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 11, 2012 - 10:19 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Thank you. Yes, I meant what is commonly called “price inflation”. Although, I must admit the whole business of “shadow banks”, the derivative markets, and their potential to create something like a monetary base confuses me. In fact, I don’t know that the collapse of all those derivatives actually did impact the money supply. But maybe it did! Do you think so? If so, that offsets all the money printing going on.

    This is horrible for people who have saved. Gold doesn’t seem cheap right now (although years from now I may kick myself). If I could afford it, I might be tempted to buy raw acreage in the country as a protection.

  130. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    August 11, 2012 - 11:35 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Yeah, in a democracy where the majority are borrowers not savers, no prize for guessing who’s going to be thrown under the bus. This has profound implications for more than just the constituency of conventional savers, as it is real economizing (curtailing present consumption to invest in longer term projects, as opposed to money creation) that fuels the motor of innovation and creation, leading to improving living standards for all.

    Thus far, there has been no contraction in the money supply (anywhere, even in Japan two decades after their bubble burst), which the chastening effect of a melt-down in the derivatives market should cause. This, because the authorities have chosen to shore up the banks and their derivative books to the long-term detriment of the currency. This is a loser’s game, however, as it fosters moral hazard, bets doubling up in the next round, counting on the monetary authorities’ indulgence.

    Warren Buffett, sleaze though he be, has been very active in trimming his companies’ derivatives exposure, recognizing both the positional and counter-party risks these instruments entail. (Besides, the very theoretical models are flawed, ie. derivatives are written on the back of Gaussian distributions; real world distributions aren’t mappable, fat-tails, etc.)

    When the cocktail party chatter starts to revolve around gold and not Google, then I’ll start fretting about a precious metal bubble. Rural land is OK if you’re a farmer and can make economic returns, but for most of us, Survivor is something best experienced from the recliner.

  131. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 12, 2012 - 8:19 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Don’t worry, I have no illusion about wanting to live off the land. Sadly, if we had a complete breakdown, after a week without air conditioning, power, running water or the internet, I would probably be running toward the FEMA camps.

  132. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 12, 2012 - 10:11 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    You may want to rethink that plan, Jason. One of my sons rode out Hurricane Irene on Hatteras Island, when several new inlets cut the Island into pieces. No electricity, no lights, a tiny police force. Fema came in by ferry, bringing a busload of homeless, black, street people from Elizabeth City because they heard that there were plenty of empty beds on the evacuated white Island. We had black, national guardsmen stuck in sand all over the island who had to be rescued by locals. Not a great plan.

  133. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 12, 2012 - 10:46 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Great point! Even if they were well motivated, we can predict how effective the affirmative action government employees would be at “helping” us.

  134. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    August 12, 2012 - 10:50 am | Permalink

    By the way, this is a CBS interview with Don Black of Stormfront about the shooting. I am shocked that they treated him so well. I am not really a fan of the “stormfront” mentality, but he handled himself quite well and sounded like a normal human being. The SPLC must be furious.

    He also used Mantra concepts and mentioned White Genocide specifically, and the reporter let him do it!

    http://www.cbs12.com/news/features/raw-news/stories/vid_82.shtml

    Or

  135. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 12, 2012 - 11:41 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Great link, kudos!

  136. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 12, 2012 - 4:43 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I got what you meant. I just pretended I didn’t. My virtual pals mean a lot to me, actually (I take the liberty of counting you as one). Fortunately, they’ll be among my movables should the happy day of relocation ever arrive.

  137. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    August 12, 2012 - 4:55 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    @Jason Speaks:

    If I could afford it, I might be tempted to buy raw acreage in the country as a protection.

    The words of a sage from the last century come unbidden to mind:

    Buy land. They’re not making any more of it.

    —Will Rogers

    I have very much enjoyed reading the colloquy between you two gents.

  138. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    August 12, 2012 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Jason:
    You can buy decent sawtimber land in the south and make something of a return on it, if you buy it smart.

  139. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    August 12, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:
    The heck with the Northwest, Vlad. Between us we can start our own colony of like minded folks here in the South. In the mountains of Virgina we have fertile land, timber land and lovely views, surrounded by people with a heritage of survival. Here people farm for love, not bad neighbors at any time for the non-farmer.

  140. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    August 12, 2012 - 11:33 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: You are so right Alice. The people of the Pacific Northwest, though certainly white, aren’t nearly as racially aware as our southern cousins, nor do they remember the War of Northern Aggression against our freedom fighting descendants.
    The south just feels like home, and if you have lived here long enough, it seems like soil worth a long fight. If outsiders would leave us alone, we could also get along with the black folks well enough, too. As you know, even in the old days, very few of us wanted to lynch blacks, or even tolerate those who did. We didn’t want to mistreat them, but we certainly never bargained for being their slaves via taxation and government giveaways! We certainly never bargained for affirmative action and diversity programs so out of hand they constitute revenge. It has just gone too far in the wrong direction. According to the old timers, everyone also knew to look out for the jew in town when doing business, and he never pushed it too far back in the day.

  141. Professor Watson's Gravatar Professor Watson
    August 13, 2012 - 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Good article, but let us look at Israeli politics. JERUSALEM (Reuters) – Israel’s prime minister and defence minister would like to attack Iran’s nuclear sites before the U.S. election in November but lack crucial support within their cabinet and military, an Israeli newspaper said on Friday.

    top Israeli leaders had failed to win over other security cabinet ministers for a strike on Iran now, against a backdrop of objections by the armed forces given the big tactical and strategic hurdles such an operation would face.

    Since Netanyahu legally can not go to war with Iran, he tries to get Obama to illegally go to war with Iran(Congress declares war per Constitution, not our “Dear One” Dictator.

  142. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    August 14, 2012 - 11:53 pm | Permalink

    If you think about it from another angle – the currently operating US government is a total disaster, and the white man’s standing in the world has never been worse. Our ill-advised wars with each other have destroyed us. We have nothing left to protect concerning our current government – it needs to change completely. The US government creates laws and makes decisions every day that discriminate against me and my fellow white men.
    Israel attacking Iran might be the thing that turns the world against the zionists. I don’t advocate it, I think war is horrible. However, the way the world is setup now is also horrible – it is run by people who hate everything I believe in. If the world gets screwed up under their leadership, it will prove my side is right, and might finally create a world wary of the zionists, who will be deposed. The war will forever be blamed on the mad dogs of israel.
    America is so upside down now it is ridiculous. Liberals still hate America, but it is the most liberal country on earth. Conservatives still love it, but nothing about it is worth conserving.

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