On the Moral Code: An Exchange among Lasha Darkmoon, E. Michael Jones, and Kevin MacDonald

Dr. Lasha Darkmoon


“EVIL, BE THOU MY GOOD.” — Satan in Paradise Lost

This is an online discussion between E. Michael Jones and Lasha Darkmoon on the moral code, arising out of a brief exchange of ideas on the same subject between E. Michael Jones and Kevin MacDonald in Culture Wars magazine. Following the original discussion as it appeared in Culture Wars (reprinted with permission), MacDonald appends a comment.

E. MICHAEL JONES: It was kind of Professor MacDonald to respond to my critique of his writing in Jewish Nazis, but I don’t feel that he has made me want to change what I said. His claim that “My moral sense certainly does not come from Catholicism but is intimately tied up with evolutionary thinking” is preposterous.

It is impossible to derive the moral order from biology much less evolution, which is an ideology which attempts to use biology to justify capitalism. From an evolutionary point of view, KMac should be a philosemite. Haven’t the Jews won out in the struggle for existence in the United States, and therefore, the world? His evolution undermines his morality and vice versa. He reminds me of Adam Smith, whose insights into economics were vitiated by his ideological commitment to moral Newtonianism, the English ideology of his day.

According to Georg Ratzinger, the Jews succeeded in getting the economy of states like Austria and Hungary under their control, not because they were more intelligent (or had “higher IQs than Caucasians,” as Professor MacDonald claims) but because their internalization of Talmudic culture had allowed them to become “skilled in the deceptions of economic warfare”.

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KEVIN MACDONALD: I have made it very clear in many places that it’s a combination of high IQ and ethnic networking. For example, I have argued that Jews are far overrepresented in elite educational institutions than would be predicted on the basis of their IQ, and the same goes for much else, from Hollywood producers to Nobel Prizes. On occasion I have also noted that Jews do not attach any moral importance to non-Jews. They see them solely in instrumental terms, so anything goes. If Bernie Madoff had only ripped of non-Jews, he’d probably be a hero in the Jewish community—and would have gotten a much lighter sentence. White collar crime is practically a way of life among Orthodox Jews.

LASHA DARKMOON:  I can see MacDonald’s viewpoint here. He has made it absolutely clear in his writings, and repeatedly so, that Jews are NOT at the top of the heap just because they are cleverer than the goyim. They owe an enormous amount of their success to networking. In cruder terms, they are highly successful as a group because they are consummate cheats. They break the rules, we keep them. This gives them an advantage over us. The dog that steals food from another dog’s dinner plate is likely to be fatter than the moral dog that refuses to cheat!

E. Michael Jones disagrees with Kevin MacDonald’s belief that his moral sense springs from his evolutionary philosophy and that it has nothing to do with his childhood Catholicism. EMJ calls this view “preposterous.” KMD has perhaps expressed himself a bit clumsily here, but I think I understand what he is getting at. If I may translate: KMD is saying that his moral sense does not derive from early childhood indoctrination as a Catholic but is part of his genetic makeup. Having a moral sense, he is saying, has survival value. A race that keeps the Ten Commandments, to put it simply, has more chance of surviving than a race of amoral scallywags.

Consider: where does our innate horror over incest spring from and our natural guilt and shame over masturbation? It does not spring from religious indoctrination in childhood. It springs from our genes. We know instinctively that these acts are inimical to our long-term survival, both individually and as a race. Our moral sense tells us to avoid acts like these in the interests of our own survival. Sodomy, for example, is not going to help a race to survive if it becomes endemic. Where do you think the moral code comes from? Direct from God who inspires his prophets to take down his dictation? Or from the wisdom of generations inscribed in the Codifier’s genes? My natural instinct tells me that incest is wrong. I don’t need Moses or Manu to tell me this. If they were to reverse their teachings and tell me that incest was okay, I would not suddenly become pro-incest.

In a word: the moral code is inscribed in our genes. If Jones is repelled by this idea, let him reflect that it is God himself who may be the inscriber.

In 1934 Cambridge anthropologist Dr JD Unwin published Sex and Culture. In it he examined 86 civilizations spanning 5,000 years. His findings? Sexually promiscuous cultures invariably collapsed in moral anarchy and sooner or later entered the dustbin of history. The societies that thrived and prospered were the ones in which the strictest sexual restraint was practiced both before and after marriage. “I know of no exception to these rules,” Dr Unwin concluded.

E. MICHAEL JONES:  I am a fervent admirer of the writings of Lasha Darkmoon and am grateful that she has taken the time to weigh in on the discussion that Professor MacDonald and I have been having over the relationship between biology and morality. Her recent article on Iran was the best summary of the current situation that I have read anywhere.

The careful reader of the above letter to the editor, however, will notice that she contradicts herself in trying to square the circle of that perennial paradox, biological (or evolutionary) morality. On the one hand, she writes that the Jews “are highly successful as a group because they are consummate cheats. They break the rules, we keep them. This gives them an advantage over us. The dog that steals food from another dog’s dinner plate is likely to be fatter than the moral dog that refuses to cheat.”

And yet just one paragraph later, she tells us that “Having a moral sense, he is saying, has survival value [her emphasis]. A race that keeps the Ten Commandments, to put it crudely, has more chance of surviving than a race of amoral scallywags.”

Well, which is it, Lasha? The contradiction stems from a confusion between the material and the spiritual which lies at the heart of sociobiology, which is forever trying to deduce morality from biology, the intellectual equivalent of looking for love in all the wrong places.

Man is a composite being made up of body and soul (if that word, sounds tendentious to the sociobiologists, they can substitute “mind” in its place). He has both a brain and a mind. These two entities are related but distinct. Human beings, unlike angels, can’t have minds unless they have brains, which function according to the laws of chemistry, biology, electricity, etc. and are a direct product of our DNA. Our thoughts, however, are a function of our minds, and, although we can affect our minds by manipulating the chemistry of our brains through alcohol and drugs, the logic of our thoughts is independent of the functioning of our brains.

The mind can apprehend Logos; the brain cannot. The moral code is part of the Logos; it is not “inscribed in our genes.” If it were, Moses would not have needed the 10 Commandments (especially since his followers had super DNA) because what happens genetically happens automatically. I did not have to will the color of my eyes or the shape of my nose, but all of us have to will moral behavior because we are rational creatures who were created by God with the ability to apprehend Logos and act on it once we have apprehended it.

God has inscribed much information into the genetic code, but the moral law is not to be found there. It is part of the Logos than can only be apprehended by the intellect and implemented by the will. The natural law is most certainly written on our hearts, which is to say, it becomes obvious to our intellects once we reach the age of reason, but it is not inscribed in our DNA.  To say that morality is inscribed in our genes is like saying that the weather report can be found in our TV. Sociobiologists are in the unenviable position of believing that they can affect the weather by changing the computer chips that run their TVs.

LASHA DARKMOON:  I am tempted to let EMJ have the last world. After all, I cannot hope to best him in argument! Nor am I trying.

Let me just make two short comments. Disconnected  comments. Make of them what you will.

First, what scientist would admit the existence of the Logos? Can Logos be empirically proved? Would Richard Dawkins allow you to talk about the Logos in one of his classes where evolution is being discussed? I doubt it.

[I have defined Logos here as “the Christ Principle, the rule of law in a divinely ordered universe.”]

You have implicit faith in the Logos. So do I. But Dawkins doesn’t. To him, and maybe to Kevin MacDonald, science cannot allow unverifiable metaphysical entities to form part of their discussion. Dragging the Logos or Plato’s Universals into the discussion, they would claim, is a violation of Occam’s razor. An unnecessary entity is being dragged into the discussion.

I happen to believe in the Logos, which to me is pretty much the same as the God of the great mystics, the Absolute that existed before the Big Bang: Brahman the Supreme.

Of course the moral code would be found in Brahman, but so would everything — including good and evil, light and darkness, love and hate, peace and war, life and death.

Second, when I say that the moral code is inscribed in our genes and has survival value, you are astute enough to point out that I am guilty of a flagrant contradiction. For the Jews who do not accept Logos obviously do not live by the same moral code as we do who accept Logos. As I said earlier, they get ahead by cheating. Here, then, is the apparent contradiction: if the moral code is inscribed in our genes and helps us to survive, how is it that the Logos-rejecting Jews survive so well without the moral code?

The answer I offer for this may not satisfy you, but it satisfies me. It is this. Unfortunately, it would be regarded as “anti-Semitic”.

One argument you can advance to show that good Christians survive because they are good, and bad Jews survive even better because they are bad, is this: Jews are fundamentally different from the rest of us, as their own Talmudic rabbis tell us repeatedly, i.e., they belong to a different parasitic or predatory species: as such, the moral code they subscribe to is the reverse of our moral code. It is a parallel “moral code” derived from the Anti-Logos. This is the code that allows them to cheat: to regard every non-Jew in the world as fair game, as exploitation material, as put there by Yahveh solely for the Jew’s advancement.

Is such a view anti-Semitic? Jews would naturally say so. But it’s a view their own rabbis advance, especially in the Talmud: that the goyim are placed here on earth purely for Jewish exploitation. You can’t say the Jews are acting “wrongly”. They are acting wrongly only according  to our moral code, not according to their own. Remember that their moral code is not derived from the Logos, which they reject, but from the Anti-Logos.

This puts an entirely different complexion on matters. The assumptions we make when we subscribe to the Logos (e.g., that good is better than evil) are not axiomatic. The Devil, who subscribes to the Anti-Logos, doesn’t accept  the premise that good is better than evil. “Evil, be thou my good!” Satan proclaims  in Paradise Lost.

Jews who reject Logos, in other words, don’t need the moral code as we know it to be inscribed in their genes in order to survive. They need the reverse of our moral code. To put it crudely, in order to survive, they need to be immoral. But remember this: what is “immoral” to us is moral to them. The Talmud makes this abundantly clear. Christian morality is turned upside down in the Talmud. As you yourself have already pointed out, these Talmudic Jews completely reject the Just War theory that insists on fair play and proportionality. This Just War theory may be fine for Christians, they assert. But why should it apply to them? I can well understand why many people equate Talmudism with Satanism. I can see very little difference between these two anti-religions.

To summarize: Christian civilization, in order to survive, needs the Christian moral code to be inscribed in the genes of Christians; and this moral code is basically the wisdom of our Christian ancestors — a moral code, if you will, derived from the Logos. Jews, on the other hand, do not survive by subscribing to this Christian moral code. Their moral code is an entirely different code, also inscribed in their genes; and this Jewish moral code is basically the wisdom of their Jewish ancestors, specifically of their venerable rabbis — and this Jewish moral code is derived from the Anti-Logos.

Julius Evola expressed a similar viewpoint in his Preface to the Italian translation of the Protocols of Zion:

To debase, to make all fixed points variable, to make all certainties problematic, to sensualise, to tendentiously exalt what is inferior in man, to spread a sort of terror…this is the true meaning of cultural Judaism. We do not think that there is a genuine plan here…. The fact remains that the whole, disorganised, unconscious influence is in perfect accord with the occult, integral, unitary influence of the hidden forces of world-wide subversion. In order to recognise the existence of international Judaism, it is not therefore necessary to assert that all Jews are led by a genuine organisation, and that their whole action consciously follows a plan. The link is established to a large extent automatically, by nature. (See here)

E. MICHAEL JONES:  First of all, I would like to begin by saying that I am in complete agreement with Miss Darkmoon. Her claim that Jews “belong to a different parasitic or predatory species” is anti-Semitic. In fact, it is the classic expression of anti-Semitism and the opposite of what I believe.

The fact that the Jews rejected Christ and thereby Logos did not change their DNA; it made them enemies of the human race but it did not transform them into a different species. No, they are human like us, but human beings raised via the Talmud to hate Christ and Logos in all its manifestations, which means they are raised as Heinrich Graetz pointed out, to take delight in cheating the goyim and all the predatory behavior which Julius Evola criticizes. If they were condemned to do this by their DNA, then we could not hold them responsible for what they do, in which case we would have no reason to be morally indignant. Logos is not some option for the elect; it is the operating system for all humanity. Everyone must be held accountable for his actions even if he is in rebellion against the moral order, as Jews are.

Similarly, if Richard Dawkins disagrees with me about Logos, he does nothing but substantiate my point, for he could not express his disagreement with me unless both of us participated in the very Logos which he denies. “Even those who set themselves up against you,” Saint Augustine once said, “do but copy you in a perverse way.” Anyone who argues against Logos testifies to its existence.

The same is true of practical reason. As Miss Darkmoon points out, Satan himself, because he has been endowed by the God who created him with intellect and will, must substantiate the first principle of the practical reason, namely, “Good is to be pursued and evil avoided,” when he claims, “Evil, be thou my good.” He has no choice in the matter. If he acts, he must choose what at least seems like a good thing. The moral law exists to educate us to choose real over apparent goods.

DNA is also part of God’s Logos, but biological mechanisms, while they determine how fish spawn, do not tell us how to act. Intellect and will do that for us, as I tried to explain in my last letter. Confusing the biology which runs the brain with the mind which needs the brain as its necessary condition is part of the unfortunate legacy of Darwinism, and something which keeps Miss Darkmoon and Professor MacDonald from reaching their full potential as thinkers. 

Dr Lasha Darkmoon (email her) is an academic with higher degrees in Classics. She is also a poet and translator. Her articles can be sampled here, her poems here.

KEVIN MACDONALD: I welcome this opportunity to expand on my views on morality. I admire the work of both Dr. E. Michael Jones Dr. Lasha Darkmoon and have learned a lot from them. I must confess that it pains me a bit to critique EMJ’s work because he is an ally on many of the important issues. In general, I think that we need different people with different approaches in order to appeal to the widest possible audience. My work is geared to people who are scientifically inclined and who are comfortable with a worldview based on evolutionary biology.

At the outset, I take issue with EMJ’s notion that the world of the mind is beyond the reach of modern science. Humans possess two quite different types of psychological mechanisms: The evolved modules of our ancient evolutionary past which operate automatically and often below conscious awareness (implicit processing); and more recently evolved mechanisms of explicit processing centered in the higher brain centers which are able to respond to cultural input (symbols, language, and religious ideas such as EMJ’s concept of logos) (see here). These latter mechanisms are what we usually understand by ‘mind’, but they are well studied and certainly not out of the reach of scientific understanding. My view is that the main evolutionary game in the contemporary world revolves around conflicts of interest over the construction of culture, including the promotion of ideologies such as Marxism, Catholicism, etc. (see here) that could not exist without explicit processing. In my work I have emphasized the special Jewish role in the construction of the culture of Western suicide—the creation and promotion of the ideologies of the left that have been disastrous to Europeans and their traditional cultures.

In my original comments to Dr. Jones, I rejected the interpretation that my views on morality were shaped by a “residual moral consciousness which he retains as a lapsed Catholic.” My reply was that the success of Jews was a “bad thing only in the sense that it compromises my interests as a non-Jew. I am taking a consistently evolutionary view—that ultimately the only standard is persistence in the game of life.”

This requires a bit of unpacking. It assumes that it can be documented that the various Jewish-dominated intellectual movements and the actions of the organized Jewish community discussed in The Culture of Critique were aimed at advancing Jewish interests in opposition to the interests of non-Jews, and particularly the European-derived majority of the United States and other Western countries. Conflicts of interest are ubiquitous in life and in nature, so there is no need to invoke a unique sense of moral outrage stemming from my Catholic background.

In agreement with many evolutionary psychologists, I see many examples of moral outrage as components of human evolved psychology. As Dr. Lasha Darkmoon mentioned, we are naturally morally repulsed by certain behaviors—incest is a classic textbook example, resulting in incest taboos as a cross-cultural universal as well as psychological adaptations that underlie that fact that typical human living conditions prevent, say, brothers and sisters or parents and children from being sexually attracted to each other.

We are also morally outraged when we feel exploited or cheated—the classic “cheater detection” paradigm of evolutionary psychology. We not only become cognitively aware that we have been exploited, but there is moral outrage at the cheater that motivates and energizes acts of retribution. But this reaction of moral outrage stems ultimately from the simple fact that exploiter and exploited have different interests in the game of life, with the result that the mental machinery of moral outrage evolved. Another example is that of rapist and the victim who feels moral outrage against her rapist. Prototypical modular examples of moral outrage are natural (evolved) responses to having one’s interests violated. Such adaptations are expected to evolve when the precipitating conditions recurred over evolutionary time. Because conflicts of interest have been endemic to all human societies on an evolutionary time scale, we naturally feel moral outrage when we feel victimized by others.

Besides moral outrage, the other critical moral emotion is empathy. This emotion is part of the human affectional system—the personality system of love and nurturance designed to cement close family relationships (see here, p. 217ff). There are individual differences in this system, with people very low on the system prone to psychopathy and exploiting others (no empathy or guilt; mostly men), while people who are very high on the system are prone to pathological altruism—helping others (even non-relatives), even at extraordinary cost to self to the point that it is personally maladaptive (mostly women). Although there are often other motives (such as being loved by the media), many of the people who are maladadaptively altruistic are Whites people who have deep empathy for Third World sufferers to the point that they do things like adopt Haitian babies.

Ultimately, it is a sense of moral outrage against what has happened to White America in the last 50 years that motivates many of us. (I date the beginning of the disaster from the passage of the 1965 immigration act in the U.S., and similar policies developing around that same time throughout the Western world, although of course, much happened prior to this date that enabled those events.)

Far from being forever out of the reach of scientific research, there is a great deal of research on how we make moral judgments. Research on morality has shown the priority of emotion in making typical moral judgments. (See Jared Taylor’s review of Jonathan Haidt’s The Righteous Mind. Haidt’s “tribal moral communities” have been discussed on TOO as an important tool for understanding the dominance of the left in universities and elsewhere.) We typically have an immediate emotional response to events and we then rationalize our moral judgment cognitively rather than the reverse.

But there are other routes to moral emotions besides reflexive responses of moral outrage represented by the above examples of incest and rape. In my case at least, my sense of moral outrage about the transformations to Western societies developed as a result of using the higher brain processes (explicit processing) described above—what a psychologist would label a top-down process. (In the same way, there are bottom-up processes[loud noises reflexively leading to fear] and top-down processes [becoming aware that Heidi Beirich is hatching a plot to get you fired] also resulting in fear but mediated by explicit processing.) As a result of reading about various Jewish intellectual and political movements, I came to see Jews as advocating policies that are opposed to the interests of European peoples. It was this cognitive awareness based on a great deal of reading and thinking that led me to my current beliefs. But once I became confident I was right about this and I saw how these cultural shifts have led to the impending eclipse of White America, the result has been a sense of moral outrage every bit as real and motivating as the reflexive moral outrage experienced by a victim of rape.

I believe the vast majority of Whites would also feel moral outrage at what has happened if they understood how and why these changes came about. Hence the importance of preventing honest discussions of Jewish power and influence in the mainstream media and in the academic world.

Jewish moral outrage against the West is fueled by the same brain higher brain processes that resulted in my moral outrage, abetted also by the traditional Jewish sense of superiority and hostility toward outgroups. However in the case of Jews the cultural input revolves around Jewish interpretations of historical anti-Semitism as irrational hatred of Jews culminating in the Holocaust.

The most difficult question is why for so many White people, the decline of White America and the rise of multiculturalism throughout the West are themselves moral imperatives. How did the West uniquely develop a sense of moral outrage directed against their own people and their own interests?  This is indeed the most difficult question and far too complex to discuss here adequately because it ultimately involves a theory of the uniqueness of Western culture as resulting from a prolonged and relatively recent evolutionary past as Northern hunter-gatherers. This has resulted in a tendency toward moral universalism and altruistic punishment (see here (p. 19-25), here, Discussion section, here). But the main point here is that since the 19th century Jews have understood the importance of culture in creating moral communities via influence on culture. The culture of Western suicide is the result of Jewish dominance of the media (see here, p. 48ff) and veto power over all the centers of power in Western societies. All of the intellectual movements discussed in The Culture of Critique involve moral critiques of the West. The ultimate result has been the creation of the culture of the Holocaust (Ibid., p. 44ff)—including guilt over slavery, colonialism, etc.

The lesson here is that we must create our own moral communities that recognize the legitimacy of White interests. In order to motivate Whites, we must have a sense that our cause is moral and we should have a sense of moral outrage at what has happened to put us in our current situation. Our people will not be motivated by a cause that they see as immoral. And in order to do that, we must have intellectual confidence that we are right about the legitimacy of our cause because without it we are prone to feeling that our cause has no moral legitimacy either. And that in turn depends on plugging into science to support the legitimacy of ethnic genetic interests—that we have as much right as anyone to defend our territorial interests, reclaim our culture, and oppose policies that discriminate against out people.

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292 Comments to "On the Moral Code: An Exchange among Lasha Darkmoon, E. Michael Jones, and Kevin MacDonald"

  1. September 7, 2012 - 1:39 pm | Permalink

    “How did the West uniquely develop a sense of moral outrage directed against their own people and their own interests?”

    Once Europe gained ascendancy over the world only other Europeans were worthy foes. White men had agency which the coloreds weren’t seen to possess. A “war in heaven” if one ever existed. Certainly this isn’t the only answer but one worth mulling over.

  2. Andrew Joyce's Gravatar Andrew Joyce
    September 7, 2012 - 1:58 pm | Permalink

    This is one of the most stimulating pieces I have read on this or any other site. Too often we hear the derogatory expressions of those who denounce white nationalism as the domain of the ignorant and the illiterate. It brings a great deal of pride and comfort to delight in the intellect and mental agility displayed above.

  3. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 7, 2012 - 1:59 pm | Permalink


    How did the West uniquely develop a sense of moral outrage directed against their own people and their own interests? This is indeed the most difficult question and far too complex to discuss here adequately because it ultimately involves a theory of the uniqueness of Western culture as resulting from a prolonged and relatively recent evolutionary past as Northern hunter-gatherers.

    Through distant history, whites ( much more than others) developed a strong peace making mechanism where white groups were prone to sympathy and acceptance towards out groups (inclusive); in order that war was not chronic and devastating to survival for all.

  4. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    September 7, 2012 - 2:03 pm | Permalink

    It’s a little esoteric. Surprised that Jones couldn’t figure out that morality is instinctive.

    Some element of Christ’s attack on the contemporary Jewish oganization reads like a man who has been toiling away for 15 years who suddenly realizes that the religious organization of his state is working against him. There have been a few social histories and studies of Judea at this time
    that indicate the Jewish aristocrats were very exploitative with their more impoverished coreligionists. The current crop of Jews abroad in the world closely resemble these higher up well connected types and not the simple and pious peasants scratching a living from crafts and farming. They had their money changers and userers and landlords.

    Why not see Christianity as a naturally occurring “DNA moral rebellion” with Middle Eastern characteristics? Christ reads like a man who suddenly realizes he has been conned and wants a few answers about the merchant princes who dictated civic and religious life to ordinary men.

  5. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    September 7, 2012 - 2:23 pm | Permalink

    There is a reasonable argument to be made that there must be a combination of sequences of DNA that is distinctly Jewish on top of whatever cultural traditions they have. Some of these combos might well determine ethical behaviors. Almost all human societies accept absolute strangers into the gene floes …except somehow that particular group. It’s a very strange reoccuring feature over millenia.

  6. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 7, 2012 - 2:53 pm | Permalink

    It’s interesting to consider what kind of humiliations the early jews went through that made it necessary for them to start considering themselves to be the chosen people of their god. Such a belief could only have been conjured up as a way of placating a hell of a lot of angst, because obviously the belief was not grounded in facts or reason.

    First and foremost, the jews have an inferiority complex. The belief in “chosenness” is necessary to mask this. They need to believe they’re special and different. In a way, they are different, as they’re the only people in the world who made lying and deception a part of their religion and raison d’etre.

    But there’s definitely something beneath all of this: a kind of all-encompassing jealousy and resentment towards everyone and everything. They have this mentality that they’re stuck here on earth with us “goyim,” but the truth is, it’s we who are stuck with them. Civilization is our creation, not theirs. Our historic White sense of superiority was based on our actual accomplishments; we didn’t need to be indoctrinated by religious figures into believing we were superior. We proved it with our deeds.

    Evola said that jewish strength is based on White weakness; that is, jews become strong when Whites degenerate. But do Whites degenerate because of jews, or because of our own shortcomings? The old chicken or the egg scenario. Sometimes it feels like jews were just put on this earth to annoy people, especially us.

  7. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    September 7, 2012 - 3:08 pm | Permalink

    We need heroic things to do. Whites are natural heroes. Like going to mars, raising the titanic, building St Peter’s, Out of Africa, Ice ages crossing the Atlantic ocean…
    Without the heroic we degenerate. The Roman and Greek gods were heroes. That’s our nature.

    That’s why shutting down manned moon shots was a racial disaster. How are we to escape the hordes if we don’t rocket off the planet?

  8. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    September 7, 2012 - 3:14 pm | Permalink

    I notice in most of these discussions there is the profound lack of knowlege of alternative Christologies that were forbidden by the Roman Emperor Theodosius I in the late 4th Century. Alternative Christologies to Roman Catholic orthodoxy that had been the accepted as orthodox positions in the past, even by Theodosius himself.

  9. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 7, 2012 - 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Lasha

    You said:

    In a word: the moral code is inscribed in our genes. If Jones is repelled by this idea, let him reflect that it is God himself who may be the inscriber.

    Answer:

    EXACTLY as I have been arguing here.

    “—–After those days, I will put my law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts, and will be their God, and they shall be my people.” 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

    Hebrews 8:
    8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

    9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

    10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    As we can see, White/European/Christian peoples at the 4 corners of the earth (Europe/N.America,Australia.South Africa etc) have the law written in their heart/DNA/inward parts and when one reads the Lord’s words (the new contract) they are confirmed in their mind.

    This is how we know who the real Israelite/Judaites are physically, signified by the trump defintion “sprititually” IE: through intent-actions, their conscience. This is why people like myself don’t really need the mountains of physical, historical, DNA evidence to back up this truth- it is self evident.

  10. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 7, 2012 - 3:28 pm | Permalink

    @Dan:

    “How are we to escape the hordes if we don’t rocket off the planet?”

    The jews would demand that they follow us, like those remora sucker fish that attach themselves to sharks when they’re out hunting.

    “I want to go too! Take me! Take me!”

    It’s interesting how science fiction was (and still is) a predominantly White thing. Think of all those books and movies about crews of White people flying through space, flying through time, doing everything possible to escape the here and now. This has to be some unconscious, primal, genetic desire to escape the non-White world that keeps manifesting itself in popular culture.

    Is it any wonder that we were the first to the poles, the first in space, and then the first to the moon? Like we’re always asking ourselves, “What’s over there?” The desire is pretty clear: we want to get out of here.

  11. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 7, 2012 - 3:49 pm | Permalink

    E Michael Jones

    You said:

    E. MICHAEL JONES: First of all, I would like to begin by saying that I am in complete agreement with Miss Darkmoon. Her claim that Jews “belong to a different parasitic or predatory species” is anti-Semitic. In fact, it is the classic expression of anti-Semitism and the opposite of what I believe.

    Answer:

    The so called Jews are genetically the same and yet different. They are partly related to us real Israelite/Judaites (white/European Christians). 5% are matriarical Esau, their patriarical genetics being wiped out by 135 AD via the Romans in fulfillment of Prophesy in the OT and also by Christ.

    95% are Ashkenaz- from Japeth and NOT shem so the arguement of someone opposing the “Jews” being “anti semitic” is wrong no matter how one looks at it; on all counts.

    Learn the history of Esau “fake Jews” and Jacob- true Israel/Judah. In this your mystery will be answered.

    God says he hated Esau in the Womb and he also says he loves Jacob-Israel/Judah. In short, the “Jews” short comings and gravitation toward evil opposing both man and God are both genetic as well as from external programming.

    Can good external programming overcome the “Jews” excess of evil genes? Christ answers this when he says:

    John 8:

    23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

    24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

    25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

    26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

    27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

    28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

    29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

    30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

    31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

    32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    Hence, the answer is yes, the external programming can overcome their excess of evil genes but it requires a couple things. One, believing n Jesus Christ. Two, continuing in is word- commands. How many of these imposters do today? probably around 1/2 of 1 percent and I am being generous.

    Again, mystery solve folks, your answers can be found inside yourself and confirmed in God’s word- Jesus Christ.

  12. m's Gravatar m
    September 7, 2012 - 4:10 pm | Permalink

    I generally agree with Mr. Jones about the nature of man. His view is based upon an understanding of the so-called hylomorphic composition of substance originally flowing from the metaphysics of Aristotle, and subsequently “christianized” by Aquinas (although one does not have to be a Christian in order to accept the philosophical arguments of Aquinas, which are based upon reason, and not revelation).

    This decidedly non-Cartesian dualism posits the human being as a composite of form and matter. Form is the soul, for Aristotle the animating or life force, while matter is, at least to speak modernly, the genetic portion of the human.

    The question to be asked about Jews (or any race, for that matter) is whether their characteristic group behaviors (which manifest individually to varying degrees) are due to their form, or their matter, or a combination? The standard orthodox position, as I understand it, is that the form of man, being a rational animal, is the same for all humans. Whether this is, in fact, the case, I will leave for others to determine.

  13. anita's Gravatar anita
    September 7, 2012 - 4:20 pm | Permalink

    “How did the West uniquely develop a sense of moral outrage directed against their own people and their own interests? This is indeed the most difficult question and far too complex to discuss here adequately because it ultimately involves a theory of the uniqueness of Western culture as resulting from a prolonged and relatively recent evolutionary past as Northern hunter-gatherers”

    I am a white woman born in the Netherlands and raised after age 7, in Australia.

    My peasant parents survived the Great Depression and the German occupation of Holland, including the winterhonger. My father was sent to the German labour camps. My mother’s families sheltered Jews.
    When Australia called for skilled immigrants, my father answered the call, as he was a welder in a ship builders yard.

    In Australia, I grew up with the stories and my parents neuroses. They were indeed Lucky, and are still strong today.
    So I asked a lot of questions, and because of moral outrage, I also became an empathic person. Pathologically so, which fits with one of the statements in the present discussion.

    So this is where my ongoing moral outrage against my own people, whites, hit the brick wall.
    I married an army officer, and over the decades, became appalled at the destructive /neglectful/sadistic behaviours I encountered, all over the world, and when I confronted/addressed the issues, people would just go white and say: but it has always been like that. You are not going to change anything.
    So, wives who blow out their brains, kids who hang, cut themselves or put their heads in ovens, families completely destroyed by war deaths of one of their sons….returned veterans even more neglected and shunned….it is ALL embarrassing to the powers that be.
    Sexual misconduct in the training establishments, depression, there is a litany of suffering and in Australia recently, a report has been filed, suggesting compensation for decades of sexual abuse of serving personnel.

    @ Pierre de Craon, I do not know what planet you live on, but True Monarchy? Monarchy has only one interest, which needs the brains and brawn of others to fulfil its objective. I shudder. And even more, I am morally outraged by the Public Relations machine that spins its endless propaganda about this Family whose narcissistic interests we all serve.
    So there is a little piece of moral outrage from one person who has only in the past two years awoken to the underlying dynamics of our own people of the lie.
    The race issues discussed in this forum have really demonstrated how Lucky we in Australia have been, and I fully understand how vastly things are now changing for all of us. But of one thing I am sure: hate and violence is not the answer.
    White people need to be much more honest with each other, and this is not happening, as the iron fist continues to come down.
    As I write, Ms Gillard is in Russia to talk, amongst other things, about freedom of movement between universities, for international students.
    In the past few month, a young man born at the same time as my eldest son was killed in Afghanistan. His mother and I went through our first pregnancies together. Their fathers are Vietnam veterans.
    Five more bodies have returned from Afghanistan, and much as Australians do not want to send their boys there, the ‘lie’ is that this government will not pull out, until Afghanistan is
    ‘stable’.
    Reality is a trillions dollar gas line, and something like 500-600 billion dollar per year ‘illegal’ drugs trade, with about half that figure going to USofA, annually.
    So that is me and my moral outrage, and empathy.
    The public is continually being lied to, used and abused.
    Mention truth/reality, and immediately one is shamed, discredited, demeaned, ridiculed/character assassinated.
    Whites do this to each other, even on this forum, long before we can point the finger at other races.

  14. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    September 7, 2012 - 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Science fiction is the sublimation of racial anxiety.

    Zombie films are the same. Zombie literally are blacks.

    Gothic horror like Frankenstein and Dracula are about Jews on very obvious levels.

  15. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    September 7, 2012 - 4:59 pm | Permalink

    “. . .the logic of our thoughts is independent of the functioning of our brains. . .” EMJ

    I understand that the amygdala of psychopaths is 17% smaller than that of normals. Mind depends on brain, but then again it doesn’t- according to EMJ.

    I wonder if Jones thinks that the negro crime rate is of mind, or of brain.

    I understand

  16. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    September 7, 2012 - 5:07 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Asimov, Sagan, Ellison, nearly every early comic book writer…

  17. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 7, 2012 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius:

    “Asimov, Sagan, Ellison, ”

    Wells, Verne, Burroughs, Clarke, Lovecraft, Bradbury, Dick, Heinlein, Herbert.

    “nearly every early comic book writer…”

    That’s a whole different thing entirely.

  18. Random's Gravatar Random
    September 7, 2012 - 6:13 pm | Permalink

    The most difficult question is why for so many White people, the decline of White America and the rise of multiculturalism throughout the West are themselves moral imperatives. How did the West uniquely develop a sense of moral outrage directed against their own people and their own interests? This is indeed the most difficult question and far too complex to discuss here adequately because it ultimately involves a theory of the uniqueness of Western culture as resulting from a prolonged and relatively recent evolutionary past as Northern hunter-gatherers.

    I don’t buy the whole “Whites lack ethnocentrism because we evolved in the North” thing. I don’t think anyone looking at Whites 100 years ago or so would say that we lacked ethnocentrism.

    It’s pretty clear to me that the only reason White people go along with the anti-White program is because they will be punished if they don’t. It’s just submission to a dominant power. People don’t really have much of a choice. The ideologies that people believe in are not entirely unimportant, but to a large extent they’re just rationalizations.

    Take any other racial/ethnic group in the world, and put them under the type of conditions that White people are under today (i.e. dominated by jews or some jew-like group), and you’ll get the exact same behavior. It’s nothing unique to us. If anything, I suspect that Whites may be more inclined to racialism than other races.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 7, 2012 - 6:58 pm | Permalink

      @Random:in response to your:”I suspect that Whites may be more inclined to racialism than other races.”

      I suspect you are very right.
      Look at what white settlers did to the native Aboriginals. Expecting them to live like white Europeans is preposterous.
      As a very white Dutch girl who came to Australia in 1956 with its White Australian policy, I had to annually register myself as an ‘Alien’ until well after my marriage to an Australian army officer.
      This too, seemed preposterous to me, as we at first were settled in an immigration camp full of displaced people/refugees from WWll, in a British convict settlement.

      All of us ‘non-British’ were largely frowned upon as dirty wops, good only for the labour force.
      Everything English was to be revered, with the result that Australia for most of its ‘founding’, has suffered the ‘cultural cringe.’ Even today, we are quietly and politely allowing a dishonest government its treacherous ways, and the problem is not race.
      The problem is lack of morality and courage.
      @mari: please keep up your passionate posts, because they are seriously educational, in ways we would otherwise not know.

  19. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 7, 2012 - 6:32 pm | Permalink

    @Random:

    It’s pretty clear to me that the only reason White people go along with the anti-White program is because they will be punished if they don’t. It’s just submission to a dominant power. People don’t really have much of a choice. The ideologies that people believe in are not entirely unimportant, but to a large extent they’re just rationalizations.

    That’s a part of it. But, what was it/is it in whites that allowed it to get to this point?

    Take any other racial/ethnic group in the world, and put them under the type of conditions that White people are under today (i.e. dominated by jews or some jew-like group), and you’ll get the exact same behavior. It’s nothing unique to us. If anything, I suspect that Whites may be more inclined to racialism than other races.

    Are there not others who live in jewish dominated nations?
    If so , then can you give any examples that would show that whites are not unique in their lack of racialism?

    I’m not saying you are definitely wrong , but I suspect that the lack of evidence would suggest so.

  20. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    September 7, 2012 - 6:34 pm | Permalink

    The driver for much of this radical problack attitude cones from places like Vermont. They’ve never seen a black or brown and the media they get is generally hostile to whites who do live among blacks. If you obliterated the North East demographically white folk everywhere else would be off the chain and sort out their local enrichers within a few weeks.

    The sense of smug superiority in the NE has much of the white world in thrall to a fantasy version of a dark moloch: MLK.

  21. Random's Gravatar Random
    September 7, 2012 - 7:08 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    Are there not others who live in jewish dominated nations?
    If so , then can you give any examples that would show that whites are not unique in their lack of racialism?

    I don’t think any country in the world is as jewish-dominated as the US is. Many people have been dominated by minorities whose main advantage was their superior group cohesion, but jews seem to be unique among the world’s peoples in the way that they are able to infiltrate and dominate all the institutions of their host society while retaining their own separate ethnic identity, so it’s hard to come up with analogies to our situation.

    Obviously many peoples have historically been dominated by foreigners and forced to accept foreign immigration and racial mixing. What their psychological response to it was is an interesting and relevant question though it’s also a difficult one to answer.

  22. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    September 7, 2012 - 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Its always a pleasure to read Lasha Darkmoon’s work, she is just so classy. I am going to take a stab at clarifying what morality is from an evolutionary point of view, and Im going to do it in just one sentence. Here I go: Essentially, true morality is what helps our genepool’s long-term survival (my genepool is European Whites, but this will be different for other racial groups/species).

    As others have pointed out, Darkmoon says, we are programmed with behavioral that helps our survival chances, which we regard as moral. Dr. KMD discusses some of the tendencies that are stronger in Europeans, such as a strong desire for fairness and equality for all (not just in-group members). This is biological, we understand it and are motivated by it instinctively. Its origins are in evolution, in our sparsely-populated, harsh ancestral environment, cooperation was critical for survival, much more so than in warmer climes. I am going to call this our “natural morality”, which differs from my definition of “true morality”.

    Let me give some examples of moral and immoral behavior, and explain them according to my definition. Poisoning our own water supply is immoral, because it would kill off our kin. Poisoning the water supply of those who would do us harm is moral, because it gives us a better chance of survival.

    This gets ugly too though. The ancient greeks practiced infanticide for the sickly or deformed. Our natural morality, that comes from our DNA, naturally rebels at the thought, its an extreme violation to harm those little ones, the future of the race. But, according to my definition of true morality, and this is a really horrible conclusion, infanticide is moral. If those babies grow up and taint the genepool with deformity and weakness, it means the eventual destruction of the genepool, the annihilation of a race. (I don’t advocate hurting babies, but I think a rational, moral society would use sterilization or some other kind, gentle method to prevent destructive genes from entering the genepool).

    From this perspective, those who are our competitors, that are decreasing our ability to survive as a people, are evil, and immoral. This would include the Jews, as a people. But for the Jews, it is moral for them to pursue their interests, even if it means doing such things as wiping out the Palestinians. In the Old Testament, we have numerous examples of Jews competing with other groups, and then wiping them out because both could not exist on the same land area (and most Christian scholars would accept this as moral). Jews understand that true morality is “what is good for my group”. Whatever Jewish weaknesses exist, they have very strong survival instincts.

    Our problem as Europeans is that we are programmed with a different morality, one which ensured our survival and great success in the past, but which has turned out to be an achilles heel in the past century. We Europeans need a new moral code, which combines our natural morality with true morality, and allows our genepool to survive.

  23. Random's Gravatar Random
    September 7, 2012 - 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Anyone who visited the ante-bellum South would probably have concluded that Blacks were lacking in ethnocentrism. They rarely rebelled against their masters, even in areas where they outnumbered them numerically. They allowed their native languages, religions, and cultural traditions to be entirely stamped out. Maybe Blacks just lacked ethnocentrism because they evolved in tropical climates where life was easy and they didn’t need to worry about competition from foreigners?

  24. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    September 7, 2012 - 7:18 pm | Permalink

    ‘Ultimately, it is a sense of moral outrage against what has happened to White America in the last 50 years that motivates many of us. (I date the beginning of the disaster from the passage of the 1965 immigration act in the U.S., and similar policies developing around that same time throughout the Western world, although of course, much happened prior to this date that enabled those events’

    Thanks. Immigration + wetbacks+ anchor babies+ jewish refugees with their ‘now till the grave give us free stuff’ =
    multi lingualism and multi cultural [cough] ‘culture’.
    America imploding.

    And dual citizens, mexican, israeli.
    remember when Fidel dumped all those criminals on us [M B Invasion]?
    That was an act of war.

  25. Marat's Gravatar Marat
    September 7, 2012 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    In the United States people feel sympathetic toward Jews and cannot conceive that Jews are different from them as gentiles let alone are hostile to them as gentiles. This is reserved for a small minority of us who have to deal with the vast majority of people who really don’t know very much about anything at all. Not the origins of World War II let alone WWI. These are people who accept the party line about 9/11 and who are basically all in varying degrees “followers of authority.” They are sheep, as Robert Sungenis said in his interview to Deanna Spingola and need to be lead. The problem he continued to say, was what happens when the sheep lose their good shepherds?

    Perhaps a DNA study could be done on sheep’s brains. And a comparison and contrast study on human DNA. But Christ was not lying when He called humans sheep and the truth of this no matter what studies are done in DNA may shed more light on the issue than evolutionary considerations which to this point have not contributed as much as what is satisfactory to me however interesting Prof MacDonald’s analyses have been.

    Who were the gentile leaders of the flock of sheep who decided that the flock would be turned over to the Wolves? Why did they leave their posts as shepherds? Who got to them? Who was let in the door?

    If we consider the Catholic Church we have to consider Vatican II. Why did this council decide to turn themselves over to the Jews? What force drove them to do this? And in doing this, what did this do to their own flock? We know the answer. The CC is as zionist as the evangelical churches. What is this force that is taking over people and what is its overwhelming reality?

    Perhaps Dr Sungenis was entirely right when he said that there are things beyond our own human knowledge of understanding that are fighting their own battle, elsewhere in another place not of our knowing.

    While this leaves one dry if one is searching for sociological evolutionary answers it still may form part of the consideration and then again perhaps not for some. But we know how this is playing out on the human play field. We can examine the symptoms. We just don’t know how, or why.

    There was one man who gave his analysis of this in the late 1930′s. Then he stopped with it and wrote, “from that moment on I hated the Jews.” He got fed up with analyzing the problem and decided it was time for other actions. But his country was bitterly defeated and Europe destroyed of its heritage.

    I will say again, something else is happening not here on earth, and we are pawns in whatever it is and perhaps for the time being, defeated. But they are letting us talk about it a whole lot if some of us want to.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 7, 2012 - 7:26 pm | Permalink

      Very well said Marat. Not only are they letting us talk, they are having a very good black belly laugh before it is ‘curtains’.

  26. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    September 7, 2012 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    @Dan:
    If you want to see ‘stupid’ carefully watch Yahoo site, its ‘news’ [cough] and its own ads, like the small biz ad its had for so long.

    Today theres what it considers ‘world news’.
    Homophobic banner at HS Ball game! They used ‘gay’ word in a disrespectful way. [thats so gay].

  27. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 7, 2012 - 7:36 pm | Permalink

    E. Michael Jones said:

    It is impossible to derive the moral order from biology much less evolution

    Well not much else needs to be said. That is just not right. Even among animals, there is a kind of morality at work, such as with chimpanzees. They feel loyalty to their group, care for their young, defend their territory, engage in reciprocal activity, and may even grieve their dead. It is primitive to be sure, but it is clearly observable.

    Humans use words and concepts to formulate something far more sophisticated, but we all feel a kind of “moral sense’ from early in life. It can be left undeveloped or nourished, but we are born with it. The exception seems to be sociopaths, who don’t experience empathy and never develop a normal sense of morality. This exception proves the importance of biology to morality. No amount of sacred words ever seems to transform them into Holy Men.

    The evidence that morality is deeply biological is overwhelming. People on the other side usually have some caricature of it they attack. Interestingly, both the Post-Modern Leftists and the Religion-Only people deny the importance of biology.

  28. HJ11's Gravatar HJ11
    September 7, 2012 - 7:39 pm | Permalink

    THE,/i> moral code that is inscribed in our genes is not the same moral code, that one writer, above seems to think is the same as or similar to the Ten Commandments and other human moral codes.

    The moral code inscribed in our genes is one that seeks to have the organism survive, expand and dominate every niche in which it can make a living.

  29. HJ11's Gravatar HJ11
    September 7, 2012 - 7:41 pm | Permalink

    THE,/i> moral code that is inscribed in our genes is not the same moral code, that one writer above seems to think is the same as or similar to the Ten Commandments and other human moral codes.

    The moral code inscribed in our genes is one that seeks to have the organism survive, expand and dominate every niche in which it can make a living.

  30. Marat's Gravatar Marat
    September 7, 2012 - 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Anita.
    Re: Jason Speaks: or, Jason’s take on Biology
    If one looks at the Old Testament one can see immorality, coming at least from one group of people who seemed to lack the biology for it. Why did Egypt throw out the Jews? For the same reasons that Hitler tried to throw them out. Then, in this putative history of their “holiness” — the jews write about it as some sort of persecution, one in their long line of persecutions and the terrible Egyptians were at fault. It is as if the Old Testament is telling us about how horrible the Jews were not how holy they were. Somewhere along the line, and I have my suspicions about this, the jewish aspects of christianity refused to read the Old Testament in this light but always spun out a different story about the essential chosenness or holiness of these people except for their lapses into immorality.

    What animals possess is not morality unless we want to anthropomorphize that quality upon them. Crows for instance are terrible thieves, eagles are thieves. All sorts of immorality seems to takes place among animals. Its a cruel world in the animal kingdom.

    Man is endowed with conscience which is not integral to the survival of other animals. There is no evolutionary data that can produce the evidence for how this happened.

    If consciences vary, and one group of people has a completely different idea of morality or conscience than all the other groups combined, we have a deviation in at least biology and certainly more. The Old Testament tells us about it but we insist (those of us who are into religion in some way) in denying what the OT is telling us. And for those who are not religious, they do not realize how insightful this document can be.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 7, 2012 - 10:29 pm | Permalink

      Marat (those of us who are into religion in some way)
      re-ligare is to bind back;
      to heal.

      and in other ways, seeking the Divine….
      these human motivations have not died,
      no matter how callous brute forces determined to extinguish forever, those ‘lights’…

      and that is precisely where we are to use our God-given gift of con-science: to know with.

      Organized/institutionalized religions have surely failed their faithful, in that I fully agree with you.
      As I have said before, the Old Testament to me is a graphic account of the human condition, in all its treacheries, betrayals, glories and gories and ‘powerful elites’: all the human sins and foibles, with sinners & prophets and faithful and dream workers included.
      As far as I am concerned, it is a pretty impressive family history, which is/was a requirement in contemporary Child and Family Psychiatry/child guidance.

      The story of Chist is the Eternal story of the paradox of power:
      He who comes first shall be last etc.

      Today as ever, the anti-Christ is the uncontained energy of money/sex/power.

      Christ is not going to appear in one person.

      Rather, each person who professes to be a ‘believer’ is an icon of God, and the ‘walk’ of a Christian follower is a discipline in self-mastery of our weaknesses and much more besides.
      It is a call to action for peace and justice (freedom from oppression) and a call to relationship.
      When we look at the squabbles and questions and arguments, not to mention betrayal amongst the disciples, it is easy to see, how difficult is this thing of ‘relationship’.

      To this day, I am inspired by George of Palestine, who was adopted some 6-700 years after his excruciating death, as the Patron Saint of England.

      I am interested in the 300 odd years between the death of Christ and the death of George, as it was a military friend of George, together serving in the army of Democletian, who started the bricks and mortar trend of churches. I refer here to Constantine, and both their mothers came from relative obscurity, like Mary.
      So the Catholic Church venerates Mary as a Virgin, but bans women from the clergy.
      The protestanst accept women clergy and lesbians and homosexuals, while the lay world which has given away any concept of God, venerates the royal families.
      The royal families being landholders and business families, I wonder how people can stand for hours on end, to wave their little flags.
      In a nation with significan economic concerns which translate into sickness and suffering amongst the elderly and vulnerable, I just shake my head, when I read that the Queen’s outfit for a float down the Thames on her Jubillee weekend, took 12 months to design and make.
      Does the Queen care about the loyal soldiers who now sit burned out and bombed out in wheelchairs?
      “Get well” said Prince Charles to such a person at a public ‘royal’ occasion. I felt like screaming on the soldier’s behalf.
      Separation of Church and State?
      Maybe, but the money is still what holds it all together for the Landowners and their money-changers.

      All of Nature and this Universe is a mass of Energy, and Love and Peace vibrate at the highest level of all creation.
      Somehow, the ancients knew this, and yet, the knowledge has been sequestered by the same old same old those who wield the Power.
      Nikola Tesla envisioned free power for all, and what happened there?
      It is all metered to the dollars and pounds of those who own the companies: the independent corporations of Vatican + City of London + Washington DC. These ‘elites’ collude, using who ever and whatever at their disposal. And that last word is the operative word, as people who have delivered the goods are ‘crucified’/vaporized, as the Truths must be silenced and remain buried at all costs.

  31. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    September 7, 2012 - 9:28 pm | Permalink

    It’s not hard to feel moral outrage when everything we create and build is stripped from us by the Jews. Those jackals deserve nothing of ours.

    And I certainly resent the Jews ruining our hard worked for America.

  32. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    September 7, 2012 - 9:49 pm | Permalink

    @Random:

    “It’s pretty clear to me that the only reason White people go along with the anti-White program is because they will be punished if they don’t. It’s just submission to a dominant power. People don’t really have much of a choice. The ideologies that people believe in are not entirely unimportant, but to a large extent they’re just rationalizations.”

    I sometimes feel a desire to preface my comment with an acknowledgement of my limited formal (and informal) education.

    But I still have thoughts and sometimes like to share them.

    Anyway, I think I pretty much agree with you, Random.

    To the first line of your quote above, I would add that many White people might not even be aware of that fear of punishment — it might be operating on a subconscious level.

    Also, I would add that punishment is not always official or obvious or something that we naturally associate with the word “punishment”. It can take the form of social embarassment or something even more subtle.

    And for many people, the fear of being embarassed or shunned is terrifying — it’s so powerful that they lie not only to other people, but also to themselves. They make themselves believe (truly believe) that race isn’t important (or even real) and that it’s wrong for White people to have pride in their Whiteness.

    I think all Whites probably have an inner “racist”, even if they don’t realize it. And for most Whites, their inner “racist” is afraid to make itself known, even if this fear is not something the person is aware of.

    Our culture rewards “anti-racist” mentality, and punishes “racist” expressions or attitudes.

    Once “political correctness” is removed, Whites will be just as ethnocentric as other groups, I think.

    Have a good weekend, everyone.

  33. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 7, 2012 - 9:49 pm | Permalink

    @Random:

    Obviously many peoples have historically been dominated by foreigners and forced to accept foreign immigration and racial mixing. What their psychological response to it was is an interesting and relevant question though it’s also a difficult one to answer.

    I agree that there is no great examples to go by as to compare.

    I would rely on other characteristics that show up in whites that don’t show in others. IE. Altruism and a kind of universalism , being very charitable and a concern for the global environment that is largely white and largely not non-white.

    There is an old saying that comes to mind : “that is very white of you!” that is said when a person who was good and fair about whatever.

  34. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 7, 2012 - 9:56 pm | Permalink

    @Marat:

    Crows for instance are terrible thieves, eagles are thieves. All sorts of immorality seems to takes place among animals. Its a cruel world in the animal kingdom.

    Well remember, to the poor bird whom we just shot for food, we are murderers, worse than thieves!

  35. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 7, 2012 - 10:04 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    To the first line of your quote above, I would add that many White people might not even be aware of that fear of punishment — it might be operating on a subconscious level.

    Also, I would add that punishment is not always official or obvious or something that we naturally associate with the word “punishment”. It can take the form of social embarassment or something even more subtle.

    And for many people, the fear of being embarassed or shunned is terrifying — it’s so powerful that they lie not only to other people, but also to themselves. They make themselves believe (truly believe) that race isn’t important (or even real) and that it’s wrong for White people to have pride in their Whiteness.

    I think all Whites probably have an inner “racist”, even if they don’t realize it. And for most Whites, their inner “racist” is afraid to make itself known, even if this fear is not something the person is aware of.

    Our culture rewards “anti-racist” mentality, and punishes “racist” expressions or attitudes.

    All very true, but the question still remains of what is it about whites as opposed to others that has allowed for this situation to occur?

    As example, I just can not imagine the Japanese feeling guilted in to allowing for such a situation to occur in Japan.

  36. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 7, 2012 - 10:10 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Well remember, to the poor bird whom we just shot for food, we are murderers, worse than thieves!

    Worse than murderers. It may have been a black bird.

  37. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 7, 2012 - 10:11 pm | Permalink

    @Random:

    I believe MacDonald has said something like, Whites are somewhat less ethnocentric in normal times, but more ethnocentric when under attack (when they KNOW they are under attack).

    We have been under constant psychological attack from birth, yet if you notice, the Anti-Whites always pull back from a direct challenge. They don’t want Whites to get their back up. They want to demoralize and guilt Whites, along with bullying, but they never call Whites out for a gunfight, so to speak.

  38. Chonodomarius's Gravatar Chonodomarius
    September 7, 2012 - 10:22 pm | Permalink

    ” innate horror over incest” “natural shame and guilt over masturbation” So, being a Victorian prude is imprinted on our DNA? Ridiculous. Speaking of incest, wasn’t Queen Victoria married to her first cousin? Why was there no moral outrage at novels like Wuthering Heights that involved first cousins being married? The notion of endogamy causing genetic disease is a myth invented in the early 20th century to enforce a new taboo. Masturbation doesn’t cause blindness either.

  39. anita's Gravatar anita
    September 7, 2012 - 10:51 pm | Permalink

    LOL Chonodomarius. I am still reeling over the abject hypocrisies perpetrated by the ‘royals’ on their subjects over the centuries: the extent to which they played off their own against each other, to maintain their status. Long before I get upset with Jews, I am outraged by our own contemporary ‘role-models’-not!

  40. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 7, 2012 - 10:52 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    Worse than murderers. It may have been a black bird.

    Oh no! Now we have to classify some hunts as hate crimes.

  41. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 7, 2012 - 11:15 pm | Permalink

    @Chonodomarius:


    ” innate horror over incest” “natural shame and guilt over masturbation” So, being a Victorian prude is imprinted on our DNA? Ridiculous. Speaking of incest, wasn’t Queen Victoria married to her first cousin? Why was there no moral outrage at novels like Wuthering Heights that involved first cousins being married?

    I do think that what was meant was more immediate incest like brother sister, etc.
    There are obvious reasons for repulsion towards radical inbreeding being a part of genetic makeup. The same can be said of things like “homo-phobia” It would not be a good thing for the species if all the misters were chasing after other misters.
    The masturbation guilt point is more questionable.

  42. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    September 7, 2012 - 11:17 pm | Permalink

    @Chonodomarius:

    Hi Chonodomarius

    “Speaking of incest, wasn’t Queen Victoria married to her first cousin? Why was there no moral outrage at novels like Wuthering Heights that involved first cousins being married? The notion of endogamy causing genetic disease is a myth invented in the early 20th century to enforce a new taboo.”

    Lasha Darkmoon didn’t mention possible genetic disease as the reason why incest could harm the group. Maybe she meant to — I don’t know.

    You gave examples of cousins marrying, but you left out the more serious kinds of incest, such as father-daughter and mother-son relationships.

    Those kinds of relationships might have serious negative psychological and social effects.

    “Masturbation doesn’t cause blindness either.”

    That doesn’t mean it is good for the individual or society.

  43. September 8, 2012 - 12:51 am | Permalink

    There are two flaws in Jone’s thought process.
    1) In order for something to be “anti-Semetic”, that thing needs to be Semitic. Jews are not Semites. As with a number of other words, they give the word the opposite meaning. Another example would be Holocaust. Somehow the (mythical) gas chamber story has turned into a burnt offering.

    2) Jews gained control of economies by theft, not by being smarter. Jews were allowed entrance into Christian lands to handle the financial affairs of kings and other nobles, as the RC Church forbade it. It was common for them to take shavings or chips of the gold and silver that they held for others. Similarly, they would lend the gold and silver of others at interest, earning themselves wealth from the possessions of others. Some things never change.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 8, 2012 - 1:00 am | Permalink

      Well said Curmudgeon: Jesus (Truth, Life and the Way) kicked the money changers out of the temple (Sacred Space) and we followers of the Truth and the Life and the Way, are still in that same old process.

  44. September 8, 2012 - 1:28 am | Permalink

    @anita

    Your experience in Australia was little different than it would have been in other British lands, save the camps.

    Your railing against monarchies is, in my opinion, rooted in its current form, not what it was for hundreds of years. Chieftans were the protectors of their tribes. Some became greedy and conquered other tribes, eventually becoming kings or queens, and the protectors of realms. There were strict rules of conduct, including the division of the spoils of war. A king or queen could not seize the spoils of his soldiers, providing the rules were followed. I am not suggesting that war is a good thing, only that there was an understanding between the monarchs and their subjects. The monarch relied on the loyalty of the subjects, and the subjects relied on the monarchs to raise armies to protect the realm.

    During the past 300+ years, the Jews, the monarchs of finance, have become the monarchs of realms. Holland was, perhaps, one of the first to be taken over, shortly after the Dutch had successfully expelled the Spanish. The Amsterdam Jewish bankers sowed the seeds of revolution across Europe, buying off the power hungry. Millions died in the wake. Democracy has been the Jews’ vehicle for financial control.

    I fully understand that your parents would resent the occupation. However, the occupation was caused by Britain declaring war on Germany, and attempting to land troops in Europe. WWII was caused by the Jews declaring war on Germany for their audacity in freeing themselves of the stranglehold of the international banking scam. That war continues today against countries like Syria, Venezuela, North Korea, and Iran that refuse to bend the international bankers.
    The stranglehold on banking has caused wars, and will continue to cause wars until the essence of “true monarchies” is restored.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 8, 2012 - 1:58 am | Permalink

      Thank you Curmudgeon for your thoughtful reply. One small correction: my parents are not actually resentful, if only because they live in glorious and isolated freedom , far from all they think they left behind. It was me, growing up in the shadows of their neuroses (that is another subject entirely) that was ‘confused’, as I also did not adapt to the Australian bush/convict culture, as my parents did.
      Once I matured, and that took a while, I truly wanted Australia to be the one nation that could get right, what other civilizations got wrong. We have resources, information, clever people, technology….and I just could not, would not believe the bullying/sadistic/manipulative/deceiving nature of people in ‘high offices’.
      Alas, I have learned the painful Lessons/ underlying factors, thanks to the internet.
      These conversations generated through the reports and research results of The Occidental Observer are precious stepping stones to survival.
      Another thing I learned not too long ago, was the extent to which the European/Dutch settlers on Manna Hatta traded harmoniously with the Native Indians, until the English in the name of His Majesty seized control.

      You are absolutely right that there is no future in resentment. It is a one way street to bitterness, which is a terminal condition.
      But I do rail at the current ‘royals’, because they are essentially dysfunctional families, held together by deceitful and preposterous aims and claims to entitlement.
      And who teaches us
      Where do we learn, these important lessons of forgiveness and mercy.
      I have survived two near-death experiences, and was both times brought round by the kindness of strangers/compassion.
      On the other hand, try and have a real problem solving conversation about mental health, and no two people agree.
      eg. Anders Breivik.
      I have lived in Toronto Canada and experienced the Jewish dominance there, although in the eighties, I thought the Asian influx might make a difference. But I guess when money is the golden god….people stick together.
      Funny you mention Amsterdam.
      My mother loved the Jewish people there: they are so clever, she would say…creative.
      My father, raised on the farm says: humph! when a Jew came to the village peddling his wares, we were always short changed.
      My Dad was young when he went to the Labour camps. Because he did as he was told, the Germans were ok with him.
      However, Australia being a place of mostly ‘rejects’ and refugees, I have befriended others, with harrowing stories. And all of them, are really beautiful, dignified white people, with nil bitterness.

      I have just ordered from the library: All the King’s Men, by Robert Marshall, recommended on Henry Makow today.
      I do rail on the hypocrisies of the ‘royals’, and also deceitful /treacherous politicians, of which there are too many.
      Bottom line: we must work much harder to confront our lying/war mongering ‘leaders’ and bring them to account.

      Truth is-the western governments are bankrupt, while the Landowners (and their cronies) are obscenely wealthy. They simply do not care. In fact, they want the superfluous billions removed, by whatever means work.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 8, 2012 - 2:09 am | Permalink

      PS Curmudgeon could you please elaborate on your definition of ‘true monarchy’?

      I am the same age as Prince Charles. I have always liked him, because of what he has had to endure, in the name of becoming King of England.
      The Queen has been known to regard Charles as a fool, and so I suspect she will hang on until William is ready.
      William and Kate are no doubt lovely young people, but they are being advised by David Manning, and so that story goes….
      So this story makes me shudder, just as much as all the false and sadistic teachings of hopeless clergy through the millennia.
      But I would love to hear from you, a positive, hopeful direction within the ranks of our white leaders.

  45. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 8, 2012 - 2:03 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: “a kind of morality at work, such as with chimpanzees. They feel loyalty to their group, care for their young, defend their territory, engage in reciprocal activity, and may even grieve their dead. It is primitive to be sure, but it is clearly observable.”

    I see no more than instinctive behaviours in the above, and one emotional response (if I grant you the chimp’s speculative mourning). The defining question should be whether the chimp has a sense of guilt or remorse. Cholmondeley is shameless, as any visit to the zoo will show (avert your eyes, kids).

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 8, 2012 - 2:13 am | Permalink

      You are on the money Trenchant.
      And we humans have been granted the capacity to reach out in compassion.
      To be stewards of all the flora and fauna.

      And what have we done?
      What are we doing?
      So many Australians, fighting government departments, fighting for their land to be retained as food baskets, not mines.
      How are governments fighting back?

  46. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 8, 2012 - 2:36 am | Permalink

    @ E. Michael Jones:
    “an ideology which attempts to use biology to justify capitalism”

    An error here in assuming that trade is a zero-sum game. Ex ante, both parties enter into a transaction for mutual benefit. Ricardo’s Law of Association shows how natural human differences allows even people who might dislike each other personally to cooperate peacefully to their advantage.

  47. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 8, 2012 - 3:00 am | Permalink

    @ Anita:
    On the relative superiority of monarchy over democracy, here’s Democracy: The God that Failed. Hoppe is an anarchist and defends monarchy only in a comparative sense, not absolute. Part of the his critique of democracy is discernible in your hostility to the Crown, ie. monarchy’s inherent exclusiveness gave rise to heightened class awareness. Blood privilege spawned great distrust in the commoners, and hence enormous push-back to encroachments on personal liberties (a man’s house his castle, etc.) by the Crown. Universal suffrage, the ridiculous notion that the President or Prime Minister is an everyman has far reduced that antipathy, allowing the democratic rulers far greater intrusions into the personal sphere.
    http://www.libertarianismo.org/livros/hhhdtgtf.pdf

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 8, 2012 - 3:25 am | Permalink

      Thank you Trenchant I have downloaded and saved this for a serious reading later. It is Saturday evening in Oz and I must go now, but in the meantime, I would like to link something TyronRobertParsons said, about Queen Elizabeth being a direct descendant of King David.
      I have nil way of verifying this, but I am staggered by the extent to which the current royal family turns a blind eye to the realities within the UK.

      I have not been inculcated or harmed by any church, but I have sought Spiritual Direction from one who left the Catholic Church, yet retained his spirituality.
      To me, the questions of Family and Faith and Divinity have always been huge and demanding of personal attention.
      True Monarchy therefore remains the question for our time?
      By the time I return to this forum I will have read Hoppe.
      Thank you again and have a great weekend.

  48. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 8, 2012 - 3:21 am | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Putting aside his notoriety as an Israeli military historian, Van Creveld has a fascinating book on how monarchy turned into absolutism by crushing the nobility via a direct appeal to the masses, and how in turn, the monarchy was crushed by popular democracy.
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/8727620/Martin-Van-Creveld-The-Rise-and-Decline-of-the-State-1999

  49. Starets's Gravatar Starets
    September 8, 2012 - 3:45 am | Permalink

    Off Topic.

    Today the government of Canada announced that it is shutting down its’ embassy in Iran, and withdrawing its diplomatic personnel. It has also kicked out Iranian diplomats from Canada, and has declared Iran to be a state sponsor of terrorism. Netanyahu congratulated the government of Canada, showing who is pulling the puppet strings.

    This is obviously done to further isolate Iran. I wonder if it might be an indication that an attack by Israel on Iran is imminent?

    This article from the CBC, the national news source in Canada gives the info. The majority of the commentators speak out against this action. A good number of the comments point the finger at Israel as the puppet master.

    I hope Israel is not about to start World War 3.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/09/07/pol-baird-canada-iran-embassy.html

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 8, 2012 - 4:18 am | Permalink

      Starets I cannot recommend highly enough the link to the truthseekerhttp://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/oldsite/article.asp?ID=12208 The Anglo-Saxon Mission parts 1 and 2.
      This whistleblower openly divulges the Plan, discussed in the UK in 2005 with reference to Iran, which seems to fit with the development you describe here.
      Canada being a common-wealth country like Australia: lol-
      we are obedient, subservient, compliant servants to the Crown.
      The Crown (City of London high finance controls), like the Vatican (religious control) and Washington DC (military control), being independent corporations, nevertheless working together for the ruling elite versus the plebs.

  50. Starets's Gravatar Starets
    September 8, 2012 - 3:50 am | Permalink

    @Starets:

    Further to the above: a lot of the Canadian media coverage of this has raised the question of why this is happening now. It appears to have come out of the blue. Therefore, there must be something going on in the background.

  51. September 8, 2012 - 6:47 am | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons: Tyron, you don’t know your biblical history and your response magnifies your ignorance.
    The people you refer to as the “jews” are not jews at all they are Eastern European Asiatic Mongol Khazars whose ancestors converted to Babylonian Talmudism in the 8th century AD, and today constitute what may be called:”The Khazar Global Terror Network which has as its goal a global communist world order.
    Get on to Youtube and listen to the Benjamin Freedman speech:”A Jew Warns America.” Benjamin Freedman categorically rejected the claim that the Eastern European Asiatic Mongol Khazars were jew,; Benjamin Freedman stated over and over that those people who call themselves the “jews” are Khazars, they are not jews.
    Benjamin Freedman also stated the political reasons why the Khazars use the Talmud to advance their global ambitions.
    Your ignorance is also compounded by the fact that the Eastern European Asiatic Mongol Khazars are a non-Semetic people, and the defense of Anti-Semitism can only be applied to Semitic Arabs which means that the Eastern Eurooean Asiatic Mongol Khazars who occupy Palestine are the most Anti-Semitic people in the Middle East.
    The Khazars are not a different predatory or parasitic species, they are ethnic Turkic/Finns who psychologically function according to the Babylonian Talmud and this is what makes the khazars different to Wesern Christians.
    The biological difference between Western Europeans and Eastern European Asiatic Mongol Khazars is that Western Europeans are Indo-Europeans who can trace their Aryan Civilization to the Indus Vally.
    The Khazars are non-Aryan Asiatic Mongol Turkic Finns whose ancestors were phallus worshipers and they were a very warlike bloodthirsty people, just like the modern Khazars.
    Further more, the jews (Khazars) are not related by blood, history or religion to White Christians, and I venture to say that your ridiculous attempt to look smart or intelligent reveals your complete ignorance of the subject that you discuss, right down to the preposterous suggestion that:”The so called jews are genetically the same and yet different.”
    How can a term or title:”jew,” be a genetic indicator for the Khazars, and how can the Khazars be genetically the same and yet different?
    That like saying that a slice of bread is different in front to the back.
    A slice of bread is a slice of bread, a Khazar fake jew is a Khazar fake jew.
    Finally, the notion that people have evil genes is almost to infantile to discuss.
    Everything in the universe/s is governed by Negative and Positive influences, and the expression “evil” is just a concentration of Negative Imbalance.
    The terms:”Good & Evil” are expressions of Negative & Positive imbalance that have nothing to do with “evil” genes.

    Jomi

  52. m's Gravatar m
    September 8, 2012 - 8:54 am | Permalink

    The arguments in the comments section show an ignorance of, or perhaps it is better to say an ignoring of, the metaphysical ground of EMJ’s argument. Metaphysics are the foundation for which any philosophy of science, or morals, become possible. It delimits the ground upon which further thinking can be logically understood.

    As I understand him, Jones’ metaphysics stem from Classical philosophy, most likely Aristotle, along with certain later ideas exposed by the Schoolmen, but not those from the Nominalist school. Briefly one can cite several principles common to this line of thinking.

    One principle is the idea that the lower can never be responsible for the higher. That is to say, a thing can never give what it does not have in the first place.

    Another principle is that the mind is immaterial (here we understand a distinction between mind and brain). These arguments stem from our knowledge of universals, along with an analysis of a priori knowledge, and how said knowledge can be grounded.

    Finally, there is the idea that material reductionism cannot logically stop at the biological level, but could be further driven downward into the electronic (atomic/subatomic) realm of material functions. Once this happens, the idea of intentionality becomes nonsensical.

    I have not read his other writings, so I am at a disadvantage in my ignorance. It would be interesting, however, to know whether Jones views the nature of Jews as men (that is, their nature stemming from his metaphysical dualism) to be exactly that same nature as possessed by whites, or even negroes. One suspects it to be so, since he discusses how their (Jews) situation resulted from a conscious “turning away” from the Logos, but is not a result of any intrinsic, or essential difference between them and whites.

  53. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    September 8, 2012 - 9:14 am | Permalink

    Lasha or Mrs./Ms. Darkmoon,

    If you are reading this, I want to let you know that I’m genuinely interested in the meaning of your name “Darkmoon”, and why you chose it as your pen name.

    If you are comfortable talking about it, I’d really appreciate it.

    If not, that’s understandable — I mean, it makes sense that a person might not want to discuss the meaning behind her pen name.

    I thought I’d ask anyway.

    (I hope my comment doesn’t derail/disrupt the comment thread in any significant way.)

  54. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    September 8, 2012 - 9:26 am | Permalink

    @m:

    This is where I agree with Dr. MacDonald. The Jews have been a temple cult with a strong marriage taboo for about 2300 years from what is known. Over that time evolution, and conditioning have played a role in producing the modern Jew.

    It is interesting that they are the only major temple cult still in business. We haven’t heard much out of the followers of Zeus or Jupiter lately. LOL.

  55. Bob's Gravatar Bob
    September 8, 2012 - 10:15 am | Permalink

    We cannot subdue might-makes-right enemies
    with turn-the-other-cheek philosophies.

  56. September 8, 2012 - 10:41 am | Permalink

    Lasha,

    I mean to cast no aspersion on any of the writers mentioned herein — Raimondo, MacDonald, Jones or yourself — because I admire you all, and yet I must point out the superficiality, naivete and deliberate deception upon which both articles are based, both Raimondo’s recounting of Gen. Dempsey’s so-called “independence” in regard to Israel’s harassment of Iran, and the three professors’ metaphysical tennis match about whether “goodness” is inculcated or innate.

    What Raimondo writes about Dempsey was also written in recent years past about Adm. Fallon, Gens. Pace and Zinni, and Adm. Mullen — little ditties about a “real” American flag officer “laying down the law” to Israel. This is all media-driven PR BS, an advertisement for the world trying to convince us the U.S. is actually NOT controlled by the “university for budding crooks”, when it so obviously is.

    What Raimondo and the philosophers both fail to acknowledge is the overarching hidden hand that both triggered and perpetuates a constant conflict mindset that constantly needs PR reinforcement and propaganda because the basic, empirical, actual situation does not exist in the real world. 

    Iran has never been a danger to anyone. Iraq never had weapons of mass destruction. Qaddafi was good to his people and therefore had to be destroyed. Similar scenario in Japan. People all over the world who have never encountered Christianity are basically good and humble, having been raised in some other system, or none at all. Same scam, different level. The PR whores and priests are on EXACTLY the same level — selling you something you already own by telling you about a danger that DOESN’T EXIST without their deliberately deceptive interpretations.

    Raimondo failed to mention a U.S. foreign policy that has not changed in a centuries gobbling up foreign assets and couching the crimes in heroic terms. MacDonald and Jones, presumably in the interests of decorum (and certainly not honesty), both omit the growing body of evidence that Christianity was the creation of Alexandrian Jews, intended as a mind control device that would subvert the crumbling traditions of the Roman Empire into a standardized, worldwide totalitarianism, which it did.

    Christianity was a social crime, offering amnesty to deviants in return for political support and magical eternal life, and a metaphorical composite (empirical history contains ZERO references to the physical existence of JC) character ordering everyone in the world to believe it “as Gospel”. American exceptionalism is just such a social crime, one that, by accepting the partial truths of mainstream media about Dempsey’s apparent warning, continues the lie of “the land of the brave and the home of the free” as the millions of bodies continue to pile up in service to that lie.

    I would agree with MacDonald that human goodness is innate (because you can see the same altruistic behavior in animals, particularly mothers). Religion only sells us something we already own in the same way the Jewish Federal Reserve sells us money that we already own at an ever more outrageous price. In this way, American (and Jewish) exceptionalism are moral crimes, forcing people to design their lives in unnatural ways that are not their own — except on the say-so of all powerful priests.

    These realities — the two major dangers to our survival — are decidedly unrecognized in either of these stories, making them — despite the insightful probings of religious impulse — just so much distracting hot air, of no real use in untangling the confusion that now promises to destroy us all. I’ve called it the mindlock for about ten years, but most people still can’t understand what it means because they’re still locked up in it.

    The Dark Ages are still upon us, and the chief vehicle for their continuance is religion, the enemy of knowledge throughout eternity; in other words, the darkness itself.

    If we are to survive and still retain the abstract concepts of freedom and liberty, we have to escape the mindlock now, before the Singularity planners complete the job of turning us into someone we don’t want to be (although maybe that’s already who we are now; how else could we believe the lies they tell us?).

    John Kaminski
    http://www.resist.com/kaminski/kaminskiconnection.html
    http://therebel.org/blog/kaminski
    http://johnkaminski.info/
    http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/kam-index.html
    http://web.archive.org/web/20040323232319/http://johnkaminski.com/

  57. Doug's Gravatar Doug
    September 8, 2012 - 10:42 am | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:

    Jesus – and Paul – reacted to the depraved Judaism they were born into and created the opposite: Christianity.

  58. George's Gravatar George
    September 8, 2012 - 10:51 am | Permalink

    Aspects of inconvenient history -

    http://www.scribd.com/Huckelberry

  59. Doug's Gravatar Doug
    September 8, 2012 - 10:53 am | Permalink

    @Dan: That NE sense of superiority comes from winning the Civil War. The result is their hatred of Southern Whites and a paternalistic love of Blacks. There is no cure for it except embalming fluid.

  60. omop's Gravatar omop
    September 8, 2012 - 11:17 am | Permalink

    I found the following quotes from Mark Weber as spot on as the saying goes…..

    Most people prefer pleasant myths to unpleasant truths, and prefer to believe what is most comfortable and agreeable. That’s one reason why so many of us like to think that all religions share common humanistic core values, and are all striving, each in its own way, toward the same ultimate truth.

    But Judaism is not just “another religion.”

    It’s unique among the world’s major religions. The core values and ethos of Judaism are markedly unlike those of Christianity, Islam, and the other great faiths.

    Christians believe that Jesus suffered and died for all people, and Christians are called upon to spread the Christian message to humanity.

    In the same way, Muslims believe that the message of the Koran is meant for all humanity, and they are called upon to bring everyone to Islam.

    But that’s not the message of Judaism. Its teachings are not meant for all people.

    Its morality is not universal. Judaism is a religion for one particular people. The Jewish religion is based not on a relationship between God and humanity, but rather on a “covenant,” or contract, between God and a “chosen” people — the community known as the Jews, the Jewish People, the Israelites, the Hebrews, or the “People of Israel.”

  61. Doug's Gravatar Doug
    September 8, 2012 - 11:35 am | Permalink

    @Richard: Well said, Richard. We censor ourselves to conform to “popular” opinion which, in turn, is set by our Jewish-controlled media.

  62. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 12:45 pm | Permalink

    @Marat:

    You said:

    Perhaps a DNA study could be done on sheep’s brains. And a comparison and contrast study on human DNA. But Christ was not lying when He called humans sheep and the truth of this no matter what studies are done in DNA

    Answer

    Christ called Israel/Judah sheep because their internal DNA matched his verbal external programming. He called them his sheep because they are by nature good, kind, gentile, loving, empathetic to others plights. He called them his sheep because they listen to HIS voice alone- not the “Jews”, Government- Media- Communist education systems etc.

    I challenge ANYONE to find ANYTHING wrong with ANY of his words.

    For all who still believe in the macro evolutionary lie, look inside yourself and you will see a moral code inscripted. This could not have come about via “evolution” but rather it came by way of our DNA being programmed this way by our savior/creator so we would naturally exhibit these traits at a certain point in time. I would argue that the same thing is going to happen again at the beginning of the next earth age which is right around the corner.

    The reason whites are so screwed up right now is because they have been fooled into believing “Jew” dominated external programing in media, soviet education outlets etc.

    The external programs are designed to trick us away from the truth that is inherient within us. In other word’s, they are designed to trick the mind to be in conflict with the heartso that we would not only deny the truth- but also ourselves hence making ourselves a slave to the lie exhibited by the “Jews”.

  63. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 12:57 pm | Permalink

    @anita

    I do not believe Elizebeth is a drect line to King David although the Crown and throne is indeed David’s temporal seat that was rightly prophesied to never leave the earth. I believe that the Crown/Throne has been usurped just like it was usurped in Jesus’ time 2000 years ago.

  64. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 8, 2012 - 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Pierre de Craon, I do not know what planet you live on, but True Monarchy? Monarchy has only one interest, which needs the brains and brawn of others to fulfil its objective. … So there is a little piece of moral outrage from one person who has only in the past two years awoken to the underlying dynamics of our own people of the lie.

    Anita:

    I do not think you’ve truly awakened “to the underlying dynamics” of “the lie” of monarchy. I think you have simply embraced a different but equally illusory dream.

    On this planet, where I live, you signally misrepresent monarchy. Even from your own perspective, as thoroughly jaundiced as I believe it is, I fail to see how the analysis of Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn can be refuted (I paraphrase): there have been very bad kings, very bad presidents, and very bad prime ministers; badness in rulers is too commonplace to even mention. But of the very worst rulers in history, none have been monarchs of Christian nations (note that Britain’s easily most evil ruler was Cromwell, who styled himself, anticipating the callously pietistic and euphemistic language of the tyrannical American government, the [Lord] Protector). As for the best rulers, there has never been an elective Charlemagne or Louis IX or Alfred the Great and there never will be.

    In addition, kingship, representing God the Father’s relation to His creation, is the only form of political rule that is explicitly mentioned by Our Lord in the Gospels. He could have referred, had He wished, to the Roman imperial model (the precursor of all Western democracies), but He didn’t. No Christian ought to treat anything He said or did as beneath notice.

    For a more specifically anarchist perspective, from the most sensible and profound anarchist of whom I am aware, I refer you to Trenchant’s excellent reply to you.

  65. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 1:08 pm | Permalink

    @John-Joseph: Saintclair:

    Well that was something, calling me biblically and historically illiterate while attributing your statements and conclusions falsely to me so you might knock down your self erected straw man argument as if you “defeated” me or something. LOL

    I ask you- show my words that said that the “Jews” were Semites.

    I ask you- show my words that said that the “Jews” where not Ashkenaz(95%) and Esau (5%).

    Now, there was one point you made about the white Europeans tracing their lineage to the Indus valley.

    There is some truth to that but that is because the Aryans (name given to them by those in India) where really part of the northern tribes of Israel who had been pushed that far east by the Assyrians before they turned, combining back with other Northern Israelite tribes- crossing the Caucasian mountains to flood into Europe proper through the “bowling alley” that spills into Vilseck, Germany.

    Please, before you start judging someone make sure you have want they said correct before doing so.

    • September 9, 2012 - 3:37 pm | Permalink

      @TyronRobertParsons: Tyron, you have a wonderful way of expressing yourself which I can only say appears to be uniquely American!!!
      In Britain, most people express themselves according to the principle of: “the one dimensional world view.”
      Tyron, I did not insinuate or suggest that you were “illiterate,” I merely suggested that you do not appear to know or understand the subject you were discussing.
      I like your quote:”While attributing your statements and conclusions falsely to me so you might knock down your self erected strawman argument as if you “defeated” me or something.” I will stick with “or something.”
      I know a little about the strawman in commerce, and I would be grateful if you could expand on what you said:”I was given 1,000,000 dollars “restitution” on one 395 dollar advert.” Correct me if you did not say the above.
      Tyron, you may not have said the jews are semites; the vast majority of people believe that the Khazar fake jews are Semites who are directly descended from Abraham & Jacob – they are not.
      “The name Ashkenazi derives from the biblical figure of Ashkenaz, the first son of Gomer, and a Japhetic patriarch in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10).
      In the rabbinic literature, the kingdom of Ashkenaz was first associated with the Scythian region, and then later with the Slavic territories, and, from the 11th century onwards, with northern Europe and Germany.”
      The jews living in these regions associated with the Ashkenaz’s kingdom thus came to call themselves the Ashkenazi.
      Later, jews from Western and Central Europe also came to be called Ashkenazi because the main centers of jewish learning were located in Germany.”
      The 95% of Ashkenazi jews that you allude to are Eastern European Asiatic Mongol Khazars who have no historical, biological, or ethnic connection to the Middle East whatsoever, and they have no connection to the OT.
      As for the 5% Esau you mentioned, I will need further clarification.
      Tyrone, your reference to and interpretation of the Indo-European Language Family is extremely tenuous to say the least.
      I will quote you:”There was one point you made about the white Europeans tracing their lineage to the Indus Vally.
      There is some truth to that but that is because the Aryans (name given to them by those in India) were really part of the northern tribes of Israel who had been pushed that far east by the Assyrians before they turned, combining back with their Northern Israelite tribes, crossing the Caucasian mountains to flod into Europe through the “bowling alley” that spills into Vilseck, Germany.”
      The problem with this suggestion is that it is based on a theory advanced by Gamkrelldze and Ivanov in their massive work Indo-Europeans and The Indo-Europeans. This puts the PIE’s (Proto Indo-Europeans) somewhat further south in the Caucasus mountains since this theory is relatively recent, it has not been properly evaluated, and no one knows how likely it is to be right.
      Tyrone, when I type the names:Gamkrelldze and Ivanov on my Apple computer, they are underlined in red, suggesting that they may be Khazar fake jews.
      If this is the case, Gamkrelldze and Ivanov are rewriting the history of Indo-European Civilization from a purely jewish perspective.

      The Indo-European Language Family Tree is divided into twelve branches. The progression in the list below is from West to East: Celtic, Germanic, Italic Baltic Slavic, Hellenic, Illyric, Anatolian,Armenian, Iranian, Indic, Tocharian.
      I have not been able to find any reference or suggestion of a Hebraic/Israelite link to the Indo-European language, and this suggests that here is no Hebraic/Israelite link to the Indo-European language.
      The twelve branches of the Indo-European Languague Family are synonymous with the twelve tribes of Israel insofar as they represent 12 branches or divisions. There the similarity ends.
      I venture to suggest that “White Israel” is a construct elaborated in the 19th century in order to advance a theory to promote/consolidate white Christian supremacy as an instrument of imperialism and colonialism.
      There is no historical or archeological evidence for “white Israel.”
      If you study the history of imperialism and colonialism you will find lots of genocide and enslavement, the exact opposite of the teachings of Yeshua Ben Joseph & Christianity.
      Tyrone, I strongly recommend that you read the book:”The Phoenician Origins of
      Britons – Scots & Anglo-Saxons” by L.A. Waddell.
      I also strongly recommend that you watch on Youtube Michael Tsarion’s:”The Irish Origins of Civilization,” especially documentary No. 6.
      If you watch these documentaries, ignore Michael Tsarion’s attacks on Christianity, especially The Roman Catholic Faith.
      Tsarion is a Marxist communist at best or worst.

      Jomi

  66. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 1:23 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    The throne or monarchy type rule is only as good as the person who sits on the throne. Mankind is known for its corruption when it gets power over others. This is why the Lord in the OT warned the Israelite tribes NOT have monarchy like the other nations of the world. He warned them to keep their tribal republic. They would not listen so he granted them this monarchy and sure enough, in no time, the one’s who sat on that throne became very corrupt. The only one that really ruled right was David, and he himself was taken in by corruption but he did admit it, asked for forgiveness and was granted it.

    At America’s founding many of the founders wanted to call it new Israel, in fact, many did but this was not an offical title. Franklin wanted to go as far as eliminating the RCC timeline and pagan festivals they call “Christian”. He wanted to adopt the old Hebreic (Not Jewish) feasts and holidays and timeline.Why? Because the early lawful Christian Republic was modeled after the old Republic of Israel before they had a monarchy. America’s early Christian Republic advocated Christ as everyone’s individual King and every person inside the Republic as a Sovereign on par with any European King. America’s early Republic had an OT structure for Government with a Christian model for society. We even had 13 states just like the early Israelite Republic had 13 tribes (including the priestly tribe of Levi that was given no land like the other 12)

  67. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 1:31 pm | Permalink

    @omop:

    You said:

    Christians believe that Jesus suffered and died for all people, and Christians are called upon to spread the Christian message to humanity.

    Apostate Christianity believes this. Christ died for his people and his people alone! The reason why Christians are to spread the truth of Christ is so that we might gather from the 4 corners of the earth any that might be adopted into the fold while also establishing that those who do not and reject Christ and his truth will have absolutely NO EXCUSE when the time comes for Judgement.

  68. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 1:43 pm | Permalink

    @Doug:

    you said

    Jesus – and Paul – reacted to the depraved Judaism they were born into and created the opposite: Christianity.

    Answer:

    Yes and no. Jesus fulfilled the old Contract perfectly and by dying, or allowing himself to be murdered, released real Judah and Israel from that old marriage contract. In his resurrection, real Israel and Judah were free to marry who they pleased and they chose the risen Christ to be married/bethrothed to under the new contract.

    Real Christianity is indeed turning the tables on Babylonian Esau “Jew” ruled external programming by way of giving greater power to the internal DNA programming of real Israel/Judah. This is done through faith and belief which opens codes in our DNA moral traits that had been dormant until such time. The one who is inside of us (God’s/Christ’s DNA- Spirit) is greater than the world and has already overcome it.

    Today we see a reversal again as Gog and Magog (Ashkenaz/Esau) have taken control of our external programming centers. They used this to take control of everything else by way of the lie. Whites/Christian peoples are awakening and before all is said and done, these “Jews” will be utterly defeated because world rule has been given to the elect in Christ (real Israel/Judah) to co-rule with Christ upon his return when he saves his people (White/Europeans/Christian peoples and nations) YET AGAIN!

  69. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    September 8, 2012 - 1:54 pm | Permalink

    I want to thank all of the posters on this site who have helped me to see the error of my vision of the world. Previously, I was so foolish that I honestly believed that simply because I prefer their company, silly things like civility, decorum and civilized behavior, white people should have my support. Now that so many of you have delineated all of the ways in which white folks have gone wrong, I admit my error. We should all retreat into the tiniest possible group which has never sinned, in any way. Long ago I thought that that group was my family. It is now clear to me that because some of them have brown rather blue or green eyes, that is much too inclusive. I, me, mine – yes sir, that is the way to go. The fact that we will go out of existence is of no account – as long as we go down denouncing all of the whites that erred on our way down. That is the white way!

  70. Elizabeth's Gravatar Elizabeth
    September 8, 2012 - 1:54 pm | Permalink

    When I first found the Occidental Quarterly several years ago, I had just begun to understand the terrible danger America is in. As far as I can see, we are the next white Christian nation to be wiped out. Russia and Germany took huge losses of White Christians. So have many others all over the world. Genocide is in process and the vast majority have not yet realized it. They are beginning to wake up a little.
    I was so hoping that forums like this one would be helpful in that awakening process. That is clearly set out as the goal in “Why the Occidental Quarterly” exists. I subscribed. I studied the articles. I read the comments. I even wrote a few comments.
    Now I come back once in a while to see if anything has changed. I read more articles and comments and sometimes write a comment.
    I feel sad about what is happening with the TOQ.
    America is still primarily composed of white Christians. To make any significant stand we would have to stand together in large numbers.
    The vast majority of comments seem to be aimed at ridiculing and alienating Christians so that they will never come back to the site again after a few times of being treated very badly.
    There are only 1.3 million Atheists and if you added to that 38.7 million agnostics that is only 40 million or so people. Then if you realize that not all of them would be white the number is even lower.
    If you want to set up a very small White Nationalist movement that despises God and Christianity this would be a great way to do it.
    If you want to actually accomplish something worthwhile towards preventing White Genocide, you might want to include some of the 160 million Christians in your ranks.
    The same Christian Bashers that were actively commenting on this site 5 years ago are still doing it under the same names. There are probably quite a few that have changed their names also.
    I am a Christian and would never consider going up against the people who are trying to destroy us without the help and guidance of my Lord Jesus Christ. The powers and principalities aligned against us are very powerful and cohesive.
    I believe that Christianity must be composed of very strong individuals who get strong enough and learn enough to know what they stand for and are willing to stand to the death. Being bashed is just part of that process and we are used to it.
    Christianity is not a philosophy. It is not ultimately a belief. It is a relationship and it cannot be explained and should not have to be defended on forums like this.
    The Christians who comment here are not looking for a fight; they are sincerely looking for a way to prevent the genocide.
    If you Atheists and Agnostics were doing the same, you would be trying to find ways to help us stop the genocide. If you think you can just change sides and join the people who are committing the genocide after all the white Christians are dead, then you are on the right track in pursuing your current methods.

  71. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

    @John-Joseph: Saintclair:

    You said

    How can a term or title:”jew,” be a genetic indicator for the Khazars, and how can the Khazars be genetically the same and yet different?

    Clarification:

    the “Jews” are the same as in they are human. They “Jews” are the same as in the Sephardic’s (5%) are from Esau/Edom who is the evil brother of good Jacob. Their dad is Isaac who is semitic.

    They only have maternal DNA from this but it has been mixed with Cannanites from long ago.

    The Ashkenaz(95% of the “Jews”) are from Japeth and not Shem like the white/European peoples. They too are descended from Noah like all people but their line is not the same as ours who have the dominion and fruitfulness mandates and authority encoded in our DNA.

    I hope this clarification helps you.

  72. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    September 8, 2012 - 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Odd that Jesus would make a new covenant and a different form of worship knowing Jews would not accept. Or can’t.

    I have E. Michael Jones huge tome. Reading all of it takes a while. Mr. Jones seems not to have thought that Jews can’t convert and Jesus was fully aware of that.

  73. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    September 8, 2012 - 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Britain as a Monarchy is much more racially homogenous than the American Republic.

  74. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    September 8, 2012 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Not odd at all. He was in revolt. Root and branch.

  75. Marat's Gravatar Marat
    September 8, 2012 - 3:56 pm | Permalink

    @ Tyrone

    “Christ called Israel/Judah sheep because their internal DNA matched his verbal external programming. He called them his sheep because they are by nature good, kind, gentile, loving, empathetic to others plights. He called them his sheep because they listen to HIS voice alone- not the “Jews”, Government- Media- Communist education systems etc.”

    I never thought of sheep as good kind gentle or empathetic. Usually they just stand around in fields and a shepherd tells them where to go and they go wherever they are lead. I think that was the point of Jesus Christ. People who are sheep may be kind, may be gentle may be empathetic but they are sheep who need to be lead.

    Sheep become quite irritable when they are confused. They pick the strongest leader who will at least point them in some direction and even if this is off a cliff they will jump off that cliff because at least they are following in the sheep herd or fold or whatever sheep bunched together are called along with the others and don’t have to think for themselves because they can’t think for themselves. They’re sheep.

    Sometimes among the sheep people there are those who become leaders. Christ warned us about these leaders, they are often bad leaders who will lead people in bad directions.

    The point is to have a good leader because the people are sheep. Christ was the Good Shepherd. He appointed other shepherds. They appointed new shepherds. The shepherds have become rotten lousy bad shepherds. But the sheeple follow anyway because they can’t help it for truly they are just sheep.

  76. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    September 8, 2012 - 4:00 pm | Permalink

    “All of the intellectual movements discussed in The Culture of Critique involve moral critiques of the West.”

    White college students are never invited to ponder what ulterior, self-serving, and less-than-noble agendas might lie behind the Jews’ critiques. Instead, the critiques are simply presented as high-minded attempts to remedy the ills of the society of which the critiques’ authors are a part, while seeing themselves in reality as standing outside of the society.

  77. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    September 8, 2012 - 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Meanwhile in Europe.. Greek Golden Dawn takes matters into their own hands..

  78. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    September 8, 2012 - 4:27 pm | Permalink

    @Elizabeth:

    Very well said Elizabeth. You’ve brought the real cost of this behaviour problem into HD colour.
    The only viable solution that I can think of is…let’s try to simply not respond to anti-Christian invective.
    Don’t ignore the person…the person is a WN. But ignore certain views that person holds, in so doing giving the WN connection the top status.
    It’s not ideal, but there’s no other solution in this sort of environment. If you engage you’ll just get endless fighting. Also it’s worth remembering some of it *could* be deliberate disruption…you’ve made a good explanation for why that might be seen as priority approach.

  79. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 8, 2012 - 4:45 pm | Permalink

    @Facio Libre:

    “Meanwhile in Europe.. Greek Golden Dawn takes matters into their own hands..”

    If only modern Greeks were actually White instead of turkic mongrels…

    @Elizabeth:

    “White Christians”

    Pick a side.

  80. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    September 8, 2012 - 5:27 pm | Permalink

    @fender

    I’m not Greek.. But I can tell you that Greeks are white.. so are Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, French (southern), etc.. They have the mediterranean look.. there is a veriaty of White people across Europe and America.. blondes, red heads, brunnets, (blue, green, hazel, brown eyes) etc..

    If we are aiming at White unity, favoring certain whites, while excluding others, is not helpful. You may want to rethink that..

  81. Ken Freeland's Gravatar Ken Freeland
    September 8, 2012 - 5:31 pm | Permalink

    This original dialogue and a number of the threads that have spun off from it are so poigant that I am inspired to make a lengthy response. I took an early interest in the work of KMac, and made it a point to meet with him personally years ago when I was visiting on the West Coast. With LDM I have had more recent, generally laudatory correspondence. I continue to appreciate the work of both writers, and always look forward to the next of Lasha’s tribunes. With EMJ I was more immediately involved in years past as a sometime contributor to his Culture Wars magazine, until we had an editorial falling out. Ironically , it is EMJ’s position in this particular debate that I wish to wholeheartedly defend. There is nothing he has written here that goes too far, it is just that, as I’ll explain directly, that I wish he had gone further.

    What is at issue here is that old soul/body mind/brain conundrum. It is difficult to find common ground on which to debate this question, but for my money, I think “m’s” pithy and learned reply above represents an excellent starting point, at least, from the standpoint of philosophy. However, there is a also a teleological problem we face, and EMJ, in my opinion, has articulated it quite well:

    “Man is a composite being made up of body and soul (if that word, sounds tendentious to the sociobiologists, they can substitute “mind” in its place). He has both a brain and a mind. These two entities are related but distinct. Human beings, unlike angels, can’t have minds unless they have brains, which function according to the laws of chemistry, biology, electricity, etc. and are a direct product of our DNA. Our thoughts, however, are a function of our minds, and, although we can affect our minds by manipulating the chemistry of our brains through alcohol and drugs, the logic of our thoughts is independent of the functioning of our brains.
    “The mind can apprehend Logos; the brain cannot. The moral code is part of the Logos; it is not “inscribed in our genes.” If it were, Moses would not have needed the 10 Commandments (especially since his followers had super DNA) because what happens genetically happens automatically. I did not have to will the color of my eyes or the shape of my nose, but all of us have to will moral behavior because we are rational creatures who were created by God with the ability to apprehend Logos and act on it once we have apprehended it.
    “God has inscribed much information into the genetic code, but the moral law is not to be found there. It is part of the Logos than can only be apprehended by the intellect and implemented by the will. The natural law is most certainly written on our hearts, which is to say, it becomes obvious to our intellects once we reach the age of reason, but it is not inscribed in our DNA.  To say that morality is inscribed in our genes is like saying that the weather report can be found in our TV. Sociobiologists are in the unenviable position of believing that they can affect the weather by changing the computer chips that run their TVs.”

    Abstracted proposition 1: a healthy brain is a necessary but not sufficient condition to apprehend the Logos.
    Abstracted proposition 2: all sentient human beings have the capacity to apprehend Logos
    Abstracted proposition 3: apprehension of the Logos involves intentionality (will)
    Abstracted proposition 4: apprehension of the Logos reflexively affects moral intentionality (i.e., conforms the will to act in terms of Logos)

    In purely Christian terms, all but the first proposition, which surely can be regarded as self-evident, have solid scriptural support. Whilst proposition 3 may seem unsettling to scientifically trained minds, consider, if you will, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. In the depths of physical science, we find this proposition that the appearance of even subatomic particles can be influenced by the observer himself! If this be so, then how much more so in the more exalted levels of human cognition and observation? Jesus taught: “Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.” What is the corollary for those who are not so pure of heart? Does it not further demonstrate the principle that intentionality and divine apprehension are related ?

    It is in terms of the practical implications of Proposition 4 that the wicket gets sticky. “Bob,” above, makes short shrift of it: “We cannot subdue might-makes-right enemies with turn-the-other-cheek philosophies.” Indeed, is this not the kernel of the argument at hand between racialists and universalists? And how has organized Christianity, for the most part, responded? As the intrepid Anita suggests in one of her above posts, the record has not been very pretty since Constantine…the much abused “just war theory” has been the order of the day ever since…

    What the last millennium and a half has seen in the so-called civilized world is a hybrid church, one which in principle teaches nonresitance but in practice asserts “just war,” one which in principle denounces Mammon, but in practiced casuistry created enough loopholes for the financial profit motive that the open acceptance of interest-bearing loans by the Reformation and now the REQUIREMENT by the Vatican (please feel free to speak to this, Michael) that all clerical accounts do the same was a virtual fait accompli. The social order which reflected (or, if you prefer, was reflected by) these ecclesiastical breaches of Christian discipline created the very conditions within which those who are best versed in the vile arts of avaricious dealing and warmongering could make their way in the world with little or no moral resistance.

    There are religions that guide us toward the Logos (and I would disagree with EMJ that Christianity is the only one) and there are religions which militate against It (and I would disagree with EMJ if he thinks Talmudic Judaism is alone in this respect), but the important point to consider was made by GK Chesterton, when he remarked that “the Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried.”

    It is true enough that Talmudic Jews have done what they can to move the social order towards one in which they and their anti-Christian Talmudic values can prosper (and EMJ’s tome on this subject provides considerable documentation), but it only demonstrates how tractable our civilization’s moral framework was to begin with. Jesus said it long ago: A house divided cannot stand. The moral contradiction between our supposed Christian values and our very unchristian praxis is the primary vulnerability which enables infiltration and subversion in the first place. The fault, dear friends, is not in the Jews, but in ourselves, that we are underlings.

    Peace,
    Ken Freeland

  82. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    September 8, 2012 - 5:36 pm | Permalink

    @fender

    Check this clip out and than tell me Greeks are not White (again, I’m not Greek)..

  83. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 5:37 pm | Permalink

    I have read about how jews got control of retail and wholesale in Hungary. A group of merchants would subsdize on to move to a town. He his prices would be 99cent store level. Naturally everyone would buy from the jewish store.
    Within a few years the other stores would be driven out of business. Then the jewish organization would move in and wham bang high prices, shoddy goods and of course credit offered at 400 percent interest rates.

    They did the same with wholesale. One by by one they picked off the butcher, produce market, grocery, fabric and sewing supplies, hardware store, etc etc.

  84. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 8, 2012 - 5:37 pm | Permalink

    @Facio Libre:

    But I can tell you that Greeks are white.. so are Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, French (southern), etc..

    I was reading that the Portuguese brought back blacks in fairly large numbers from their colonies and then mixed in with them.
    Portugal went from one of the premiere European nations and a world power to the present day bankrupt mediocrity.
    Some mixing occurred in Spain and southern Italy too.

  85. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 5:45 pm | Permalink

    marat

    you are right about sheep. They are herd animals and have bery low brain power compared to dogs, primates and pigs. Shepherds don’t tell them what to do. Dogs tell them what to do. My brother is a farmer and I am pretty familiar with herd animals. I once saw just one dog drive a herd of more than 100 dairy cattle 3 miles home across several country roads.
    That dog did it twice a day. Soem conservatives call liberals sheeple meaning that they follow the leader like a dumb sheep.

    Ever notice that farmers castrate all the male herd animals except for a few breeding stock who are kept penned up?

    That is what the feminazis and jews have done to Whites. With the no White males need apply laws, ferocious sexual harassement laws enforced against White men but hispanic and black men encouraged, enabled and abetted to commit almost all the rapes in this country and the non stop denigration of White men from the jew dominated media and education establishments, we have lost the White men and are just sheep waiting to be slaughtered and fed to the blacks and browns.

  86. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 8, 2012 - 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Don’t get me wrong , it is well known that that Portugal, like all of Europe, has plenty of very good stock too. It just shows the effects of miscegenation and why you-know-who promotes it.

  87. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    September 8, 2012 - 5:52 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns

    I was reading that the Portuguese brought back blacks in fairly large numbers from their colonies and then mixed in with them.

    Now this is true for practically every White country.. Stop dividing us.. Europeans are White.. Period.

    Are you telling me that White Americans are not mixing with other races?? How about the Germans? French? Swedes? Irish? English? etc..

    Yeah, I’ll agree that certain White countries experienced more race mixing than others, but to write them off as not White enough is the wrong approach, andit only aids our enemies.

    Believe it or not but there are still plenty of white Portugese around..

  88. September 8, 2012 - 5:52 pm | Permalink

    @anita
    I believe Pierre de Craon has substantially covered my thoughts on “true monarchy”, although I would refrain from commenting on more personal aspects of your views.

    I too am the same age as Charles, and have had some sympathy for him. I suspect that my sympathy lies in the fact that Phillip the modernizer exposed him, unguarded, to the press early in life. He has been the whipping boy for 50 years. This is likely for his penchant for stating the unpopular, but obvious, such as: “You have to give this much to the Luftwaffe: when it knocked down our buildings it did not replace them with anything more offensive than rubble. We did that.”

    In addition to Pierre’s thoughts, however, I would re-iterate my belief that the rise of Jewish banking power has meant that they are the true rulers, but require the monarchy to be a distraction for the masses. Monarchies today, are part and parcel of the illusion. Queen Elizabeth cannot stop legislation, she can only delay it. I recall hearing, during the Thatcher years, that her only real power was the power to withhold. To show her displeasure with Thatcher, she would refuse to invite her to sit during her briefings. Some of the briefings were hours long.

  89. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    September 8, 2012 - 5:57 pm | Permalink

    The White Portuguese..

  90. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Memo to: Those on this and other websites who claim that only English, Germans and Scandinavians are White. Why don’t you scrape up a couple thousand dollars and ACTUALLY GO to Spain, Italy and France and take a look at the people?

    Every White website has you idiots going on and on about people you have never seen. There is someone on amren who insists that Spanish people look like the mexican indians invading America. FYI, indians are indians, Spanish are Spanish.
    If you can’t scrape up a couple thousand dollars to go to Europe maybe you can google “celtic fringe”.

    Whites major problems are affirmative action, black on White crime and the vicious hatred directed against us by the goverment, media and education system for the past 60 years.
    But a lot of idiots devote their time to endless discussions about blue eyed vs brown eyed Whites.

    You might read about the Scandinavian countries. Those blue
    eyed countries are the most welcoming to african and arab rapists and criminals who do nothing but squat on the welfare system.

    The “mongrel part black” blue and brown eyed French seem to be the country the country that has the most well organized oppisition to the black and brown invasion. If you read the news from France you might notice that France is just about the only country that actually applies the criminal laws equally to White French and black and brown immigrants.

    The rest of the Europeans, especially the blue eyed English bend over backwards to keep the most viciious africans and arabs out of prison.

    Go to Europe and look at the people you pontificate about.

  91. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 8, 2012 - 6:03 pm | Permalink

    @Facio Libre:

    Hey , I agree with you and I think that there is not a country in Europe that is not “mixed” to some degree , but that they all have great stock and great potential.
    My point was that miscegenation has very real consequences!

  92. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 6:03 pm | Permalink

    How in the world can White Americans sneer at other Europeans for race mixing? Look at our African American population. Every shade from black to cream.

    Where do you think they came from?

  93. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    September 8, 2012 - 6:06 pm | Permalink

    More on White Portuguese.. I’m not Portuguese either, just saying..

  94. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Tom, your comment about Theodosious is the first comment
    I have read that is not extremely offensive and lifted from the diatribes of Henry Ward Beecher.

    But is it true? I am not familiar with the discusions and disputes of 4th century theologians. But I have never read one comment of yours about the Irish and the Catholics that is true, so like your other comments I don’t believe a word.

    I have one question Tom Exactly what does your comment have to do with the article under discussion and the plight of Whites in America?

  95. September 8, 2012 - 6:12 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    Thank you for the link.
    I recall hearing an interview with van Crevald a number of years ago. He seemed to be a gadfly to the usual Israeli line of BS. It is interesting to note that the major changes in the state started post Reformation. As I have stated previously, the Holy Roman Empire controlled all commerce in addition to the religious practices. A number of the German Princes that protected Luther saw his opposition as an opportunity to break the commercial monopoly of the Empire. The 1600s were the beginning of Jews dominating finance from their new found freedom from the Empire.

    In looking at the Kings crushing the nobles, that may well have been a backlash. History portrays England’s King John as evil, and put in his place by the nobles by requiring him to sign the Magna Carta in 1215. Real history shows that the issue was that some of the wealthiest nobles were raising large private armies capable of defeating his own army. Those nobles were seized and imprisoned. The Magna Carta guaranteed the writ of habeus corpus, and those nobles released. What better way to gain that power back than by gaining the trust of the people.

  96. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

    @Marat:

    You said

    I never thought of sheep as good kind gentle or empathetic. Usually they just stand around in fields and a shepherd tells them where to go and they go wherever they are lead. I think that was the point of Jesus Christ. People who are sheep may be kind, may be gentle may be empathetic but they are sheep who need to be lead.

    Answer:

    Yes, led, led by the spirit of Christ. Unless people are led by the spirit they end up doing whatever impulse arises in them. Christ instructed us to be as gentile as Doves and as wise as Serpents. I have absolutely no shame in Christ when I do his will. It is when I do not do his will that I have shame and that shame comes by way of my god given conscience.

    You said:

    Sheep become quite irritable when they are confused. They pick the strongest leader who will at least point them in some direction and even if this is off a cliff they will jump off that cliff because at least they are following in the sheep herd or fold or whatever sheep bunched together are called along with the others and don’t have to think for themselves because they can’t think for themselves. They’re sheep.

    Answer:

    Sheep follow their Shepherd and the good Shepherd is who his sheep will follow. Like I said, sheep know their Shepherd’s voice and will only follow him and no others who led them off the cliff. Jesus Christ is the good Shepherd who laid down his life for his sheep. The good Shepherd leads his sheep to good pastures where there is protection from the wolves (“Jews”). Only the sheep that are Christ’s does he call and instruct. One is always going to follow the ways of the world which will lead them off a cliff to destruction or they will follow Christ who will protect and keep them. The good Shepherd goes off and leaves the secure sheep he has in the gated pasture to find the one’s that got lost so he might bring them home too. This is what Christ did when through his word he sought out “the lost tribes” of Israel. They were found when white/European peoples and nations abandoned the paganism (false Sheppard’s) they have been tricked into and adopted belief and faith in Christ.

    You have a point about the modern day bad Shepherds. They are in Apostasy and will lead their Sheep off the cliff to destructions. This is why one must concentrate on the good Shepherd because he will never fail you.

  97. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 8, 2012 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

    @mari:

    How in the world can White Americans sneer at other Europeans for race mixing? Look at our African American population. Every shade from black to cream.

    Where do you think they came from?

    Every white anywhere should sneer at race mixing.
    All races should sneer at race mixing if they are proud of their race/heritage and if they want to preserve what makes them what they are.
    A global mixed up stew of generic raceless people is not good or natural.

  98. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 8, 2012 - 6:20 pm | Permalink

    @Facio Libre:

    Something I noticed in a lot of GD videos: many blonde Greek women but no blond Greek men. To me this says that Greek women are dying their hair blond and that the color is not natural.

    As for that video, those GD members don’t look much Whiter than your average turks. I’m happy that there’s some form of effective nationalism emerging in Europe, but I just wish it were happening in a better nation.

  99. Elizabeth's Gravatar Elizabeth
    September 8, 2012 - 6:21 pm | Permalink

    @fender
    @Elizabeth:

    “White Christians”

    Pick a side.

    @Fender,
    I presume you are thinking that the Golden Dawn is a white Christian movement. Indeed it is not. It is a Jewish based secret society that has every intention of supporting genocide on the American White Christians. Freemasonry is another Jewish organization under the control of the B’nai B’rith and is clearly anti-Christian. Freemasonry was first established in the South by the Jews. You can actually find that on their own websites. If you ever have studied about it or the Rosicrucians you would see that they are absolutely not Christian.

    The Rose Cross Symbol aka RED CROSS
    ―The Golden Dawn Rosy Cross symbol. This glyph was worn by on the breast by Golden Dawn members during ceremonies. The design is based on Rosicrucian legend, Kabbalah, and on the colour symbolism taught by S. L. MacGregor Mathers.

    According to the Introduction to The Kabbalah Unveiled by McGregor Mathers, who co-founded the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, in 1888 this secret oral tradition of the sages was believed to have been taught by God to angels, who then taught it to fallen humans. Abraham is viewed as a mystic who taught the Egyptians some of their occult doctrine.

    Our Christian churches have been thoroughly corrupted by the Jews. That is a huge problem and it is a reason that I do not attend Christian churches. Several of the Catholic Popes have been Jews.

    I am a white Christian. I do not side with any “Secret Societies” much less those who base their doctrine on the Jewish Kabbalah or any other magical or occult symbols or Jewish Talmudic teachings.

    Jesus Christ made it clear that he had no secrets. He spoke simply, openly and clearly about who he is and what he is doing. He called the Pharisees liars and murderers. Nothing has changed in the last 2000 years. They are extremely good at deception and setting people against each other.

    I still contend that if you really care anything about preventing White Genocide you will have to find a way to include white Christians on your side no matter how much Christians may disgust you. It is the white Christians they are after and if you are not for us, then you are effectively against us.

  100. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Anita, thank you.

    Here is another tidbit I learned in my adventures among the jews. The reason John Wayne only got one academy award and that was when he was about 70 years old wa because he was anti communist and a leader in the small anti communist faction in Hollywood along with Ronnie Reagan, Adolphe Menjou etc.

    Anyway, when the anti communists managed to get Reagan elected President of the screen actors guild, Stalin himself ordered that Wayne be assassinated. The communists had been so successful with their pro communist jew actors and directors that Stalin feared that Wayne would overcome all the good that the entertainment industry commie jews had done.

    of course the assassination never happened. just goes to show communist jew power from 1910 on.

  101. September 8, 2012 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

    @mari:
    Yes, Spaniard are predominantly white. The various Gothic tribes were on the move from the fall of Rome, and many ended up in Spain and Portugal. It was the conquering Moors that added the darkness. As homage, they required dozens of white virgin women annually to be added to harems. This was one of the outrages that the Iberian peninsula, like Serbia had to endure.

    Too bad they haven’t remembered the lesson.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=pOq1gJzJ8cM

  102. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    September 8, 2012 - 6:23 pm | Permalink

    @fender

    “Something I noticed in a lot of GD videos: many blonde Greek women but no blond Greek men.”

    You’re gay..

  103. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Tyson, why do you keep posting quotes from the jewish bible?
    What does the jewish bible have to do with affirmative aaction, black on White crime and the White genocide our jew dominated goverment has planned for us?

    Ever heard of kaballah, talmud and torah? There are english versions. Why don’t you get copies of those books and go to some hasidic website and you can discuss jewish theology with jewish religious scholars to your heart’s content?

    Your only interest is jewish religion. so why do you keep posting jewish bible stuff on this website?

  104. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Curmudgeon

    Before the Roman and Goth invasions the Spanish were guess what? Celts. The basic French stock is Celt and German. Celt since neolithic times and German since around 300 AD.
    The Greeks who founded the colony of Marseille cerca 600 BC were the original Dorian fair skinned brown haired Greeks.

    And as I have written before, instead of pontificating about the French, Spanish and italians, scrape up a couple thousand dollars and take a look at them instead of reading some 1900 KKK publication.

  105. September 8, 2012 - 6:43 pm | Permalink

    A correspondent sends this:
    3 quotes came to my mind on reading it —

    1. ‘All intellectuality is in the long run shallowness; never does it allow
    of probing to the very roots of the matter, never of reaching down to the
    depths of the soul, or of the universe. Hence intellectuality makes it easy
    to go from one extreme to the other. That is why you find among Jews
    fanatical orthodoxy and unenlightened doubt side by side; they both spring from one
    source.’ — Werner Sombart, THE JEWS AND MODERN CAPITALISM. NY: Dutton.
    1914, p. 269; quoted in DM 1976, p. 182.

    2. ‘Some day I want to do an article (in my book perhaps) on the Zionist
    mind … how idealism goes hand in hand with the most terrific cynicism; how
    they never can or will admit that anybody who disagrees with them is honest;
    how they are Fascists in their own affairs, with regard to Palestine, and
    internationalists in everything else.’ — Vincent Sheean, PERSONAL HISTORY.
    NY: Literary Guild Country Life Press, 1935, p. 338; quoted in Susan Silsby
    Boyle, THE BETRAYAL OF PALESTINE: THE STORY OF GEORGE ANTONIUS. Boulder, CO:
    Westview, p. 160. [Note that there are also the Gilad Atzmon & Norman
    Finkelstein types, who take such stridently critical tone against Israel and/or
    Israeli policy. Something the likes of Merscheimer & Walt would never or could
    never do].

    3. I can’t find the original source for the next quotation, but I believe
    you used the it in one of your books [maybe CofC] where John Maynard Smith,
    writing in THE NEW YORK REVIEW OF BOOKS on Punctuated Equilibrium, says words
    to the effect that, ‘those who have favored natural selection have, like
    Darwin, been mostly English country gentleman, while those who have opposed it
    have been mostly urban Jews.’

    The common thread of all three quotes (is there is one and my mind is not
    just running in circles) is a tendency in Jewish thought to take things to
    extremes and to pursue pure principle divorced from direct contact with the
    often confusing whirl of reality.

    If so, perhaps it can be explained by: (a) an intelligent people who’ve
    been divorced from a homeland for so long; (b) a general personality
    characteristic; or (c) both.

    One test of (a) versus (b) could be the extent to which that mindset has
    decreased in frequency and intensity among Israelis as opposed to Jews in
    other countries, which causal observation seems to support, at least to some
    degree.

  106. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 8, 2012 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    @mari:

    “The “mongrel part black” blue and brown eyed French seem to be the country the country that has the most well organized oppisition to the black and brown invasion. If you read the news from France you might notice that France is just about the only country that actually applies the criminal laws equally to White French and black and brown immigrants.

    The rest of the Europeans, especially the blue eyed English bend over backwards to keep the most viciious africans and arabs out of prison.”

    So basically you’re saying that the only “Whites” who are fighting back are…the ones who are barely even White themselves. Not exactly inspirational, but perhaps you’re right.

    If it takes large amounts of non-White genetic admixture to produce a group of “Whites” who actually fight for themselves, like today’s Greeks, then it’s not even worth it. The average IQ of Greece is 93, the second lowest of any “White” nation. Greece is an economic and intellectual wreck. If we have to become mediocre mongrels to develop the aggression required to save us then what’s the point?

  107. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Tyson

    “At America’s founding many of the founders wanted to call it new Israel, in fact, many did but this was not an offical title. Franklin wanted to go as far as eliminating the RCC timeline and pagan festivals they call “Christian”. He wanted to adopt the old Hebreic (Not Jewish) feasts and holidays and timeline.”

    Citations, reputable citations, not your visions from heaven or mars or whatever please for this bit of nonsense.

    FYI the colonies north of Maryland never celebrated Christmas anyway. In fact as early as the 1620′s there were strict laws forbidding even eating hot food on December 25. The northern colonies employed sniffers to go around the villages sniffing to smell if anyone was cooking, even heating up leftovers on December 25.

    So Franklin did not have to pass a law forbidding Christmas dinner, those laws were already in place in half the colonies.

    Most of the southern colonies were CofE, not puritan and had Christmas services and Christmas dinner.

    You honestly do not know the difference between puritans and the CofE do you Tyson? Tom does not know the difference between the RC and the CofE. Some religious scholars you 2 are.

    I really think I should stop reading this website.

  108. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Fender

    If you can’t scrape up $1,200 for a cheap off season winter airfare and a week in France apply for some new credit cards and GO TO FRANCE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE “BARELY
    WHITE” FRENCH PEOPLE.

    Don’t endlessly pontificate about people you have never seen.

    And what does your totally erroneous statement that French people are “barely White” have do do with affirmative action, black on White crime, the endless anti White diatribes coming from the goverment, media and schools have to do with the physical appearance of French people?

    Were it no for affirmative action you might have a better job and be able to go to France and take a look at French people instead of consulting your 1900 KKK publication.

    If you have never been to France, Spain or Italy, don’t keep yapping and yammering about what they look like.

    I have never been to New England. Do I ponitificate about what New England looks like? No. So why do you go on and on about countries and people you have never seen?

  109. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 8, 2012 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    @mari: Your last two comments may be your most cogent ever. Since you regularly meet a very high standard, they are truly pretty darn extraordinary.

    Incidentally, New England is a remarkably beautiful place. If only it weren’t so full of New Englanders! All too many are self-important, statist fools who believe, with an indefeasible Puritan zeal, that they are so bloody important that the rest of the country owes them a living.

  110. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 8, 2012 - 7:32 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Please count me on board with the analysis in your third paragraph. Britain’s monarch is, sadly, in practical terms little more than a Pretender, rather like the late, great Otto von Habsburg or whoever it is (can’t think of the name) that is the Pretender to the throne of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies.

    I do, however, think rather better of Maggie than you do. Still, you’re a citizen of a Commonwealth nation and I’m not, so your perspective is probably a good deal more germane than mine.

  111. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    September 8, 2012 - 7:33 pm | Permalink

    “The common thread of all three quotes (if there is one and my mind is not just running in circles) is a tendency in Jewish thought to take things to extremes and to pursue pure principle divorced from direct contact with the often confusing whirl of reality.”

    It is easier to get where one wants to go and to appear as an original thinker if one cuts oneself loose from the empirical.

  112. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 7:34 pm | Permalink

    @mari:

    Mari,

    The bible is NOT “Jewish”. It is the Hebrews bible and white/European’s are the Semitic Hebrews, NOT the “Jews” who are from Ashkenaz (Japeth) and Esau/Edom. Some bibles put out these days have been corrupted by the “Jews” in publishing but we still have the ancient manuscripts written in Greek for both the OT and NT. So please Mari, why don’t you learn the truth about the issues you claim falsely to be wise to and stop slandering us white/European Christians facilitating the “Jewish” plan to keep awakened whites of the non believer status from grouping and consolidating their power with the White/European Christians who outnumber you by massive amount.

    Or is it your desire to have the “Jews” win by genociding us because we could not get our act together by being divided?

  113. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 7:46 pm | Permalink

    @mari:

    First off, I am NOT going to get you ANYTHING to prove my claims about the founders or what Ben Franklin wanted as far as a new calender. I am well aware that Christmas was forbidden but these type laws were local and state laws, NOT national laws. Franklin was speaking about changing these things for ALL of America.

    You obviously are here to slander believers are you not? You obviously don’t know jack about the difference between the truth of scriptures and the false religions of the CofE and the RCC do you?

  114. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 8, 2012 - 7:56 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:

    You obviously are here to slander believers are you not?* You obviously don’t know jack about the difference between the truth of scriptures and the false religions of the CofE and the RCC do you?**

    (*) When it comes to slander, sir, look in the mirror.

    (**) Mari knows immeasurably more than you do, Mr. Parsons.

  115. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Tyson, my desire is to end affiramtive action, black on White crime, end send all non whtie immigrants and their children back to the cesspools from whence they came and confisticate the funds of all the anti White foundations such as Tides, Ford, Woods etc.

    Your endless myths and fairy stories do not belong on a Whtie interests website. They belong on religious websites, preferably jewish since you as some sort of wanna be jew.

    Religion is irrevelant to the White resistance against a jew and liberal dominated goverment that wants all of us dead.

    If this site cannot have a moderator perhaps Dr. MacDonald could put up notice that comments should be REVELANT to the article under discussion.

    I am for White survival, not reading the jewish part of the bible.

  116. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Tyson, It’s Rc, not RCC which you would know if you knew anythig about Christianity.

  117. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Tyson, I am aware that there are 2 parts to the bible, jewish OT and christian NT.

    But all you do is quote the OT or your very own Parson’s revised version of the OT; therefore, you only read the jewish part of the bible.

    Ever heard of the King James and Douay authorized versions of the bible translated by consortiums of Christian not jews like you religious scholars?

    Maybe you should check them out.

  118. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 8:08 pm | Permalink

    @John Kaminski:

    You said:

    (empirical history contains ZERO references to the physical existence of JC)

    Answer

    The Description of Publius Lentullus
    The following was taken from a manuscript in the possession of Lord Kelly, and in his library, and was copied from an original letter of Publius Lentullus at Rome. It being the usual custom of Roman Governors to advertise the Senate and people of such material things as happened in their provinces in the days of Tiberius Caesar, Publius Lentullus, President of Judea, wrote the following epistle to the Senate concerning the Nazarene called Jesus.
    “There appeared in these our days a man, of the Jewish Nation, of great virtue, named Yeshua [Jesus], who is yet living among us, and of the Gentiles is accepted for a Prophet of truth, but His own disciples call Him the Son of God- He raiseth the dead and cureth all manner of diseases. A man of stature somewhat tall, and comely, with very reverent countenance, such as the beholders may both love and fear, his hair of (the colour of) the chestnut, full ripe, plain to His ears, whence downwards it is more orient and curling and wavering about His shoulders. In the midst of His head is a seam or partition in His hair, after the manner of the Nazarenes. His forehead plain and very delicate; His face without spot or wrinkle, beautified with a lovely red; His nose and mouth so formed as nothing can be reprehended; His beard thickish, in colour like His hair, not very long, but forked; His look innocent and mature; His eyes grey, clear, and quick- In reproving hypocrisy He is terrible; in admonishing, courteous and fair spoken; pleasant in conversation, mixed with gravity. It cannot be remembered that any have seen Him Laugh, but many have seen Him Weep. In proportion of body, most excellent; His hands and arms delicate to behold. In speaking, very temperate, modest, and wise. A man, for His singular beauty, surpassing the children of men”

    The letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar
    This is a reprinting of a letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar describing the physical appearance of Jesus. Copies are in the Congressional Library in Washington, D.C.
    TO TIBERIUS CAESAR:
    A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him. At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews. One day I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions! Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he seen in the works of all the philosophers anything that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble and to address the people. This unlimited freedom provoked the Jews — not the poor but the rich and powerful.
    Later, I wrote to Jesus requesting an interview with Him at the Praetorium. He came. When the Nazarene made His appearance I was having my morning walk and as I faced Him my feet seemed fastened with an iron hand to the marble pavement and I trembled in every limb as a guilty culprit, though he was calm. For some time I stood admiring this extraordinary Man. There was nothing in Him that was repelling, nor in His character, yet I felt awed in His presence. I told Him that there was a magnetic simplicity about Him and His personality that elevated Him far above the philosophers and teachers of His day.
    Now, Noble Sovereign, these are the facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and I have taken the time to write you in detail concerning these matters. I say that such a man who could convert water into wine, change death into life, disease into health; calm the stormy seas, is not guilty of any criminal offense and as others have said, we must agree — truly this is the Son of God.
    Your most obedient servant,
    Pontius Pilate
    More accounts can be found here http://www.thenazareneway.com/likeness_of_our_saviour.htm

  119. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 8:14 pm | Permalink

    @mari:

    Maybe you ought to realize that the OT is not “Jewish” and the so called Jews do NOT follow the OT but rather the Jerusalem and Babylonian Talmud.

    Talmud as Judaism’s law source
    The Talmud was written in Hebrew between the 3rd & 6th Centuries as a codification of the so-called Oral Law that the Jewish Rabbis claim was handed down from Moses. Furthermore, part of the book comes from Babylon and the other from the Rabbi’s discussions after the murder of Christ.
    The New World’s Encyclopedia states that “The Talmud has two basic components: the Mishnah (c. 200 C.E.), the first written compendium of Judaism’s Oral Law; and the Gemara (c. 500 C.E.), a rabbinical discussion of the Mishnah and related writings that often ventures into other subjects and expounds broadly on the Hebrew Bible. Printed editions of the Talmud also contain later commentaries from rabbinical authorities through the Middle Ages. The terms Talmud and Gemara are often used interchangeably”. “The Talmud is a record of rabbinical discussions pertaining to Jewish law, biblical interpretation, ethics, customs, and history. It is the basis for all codes of rabbinical law and is much quoted in other Jewish literature”. (Source: http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Talmud)

    Here is an exerpt from Judaism 101 describing the Talmud as their law source.
    “In traditional discussion of Jewish Law, you will often see people speak of what Chazal says about a matter. Chazal is not a single person; the term refers collectively to the consensus of authoritative opinion, in much the same way that we might speak of what Congress says or what the Supreme Court says. Chazal is an acronym of the Hebrew phrase Chachameinu Zichronam Liv’racha, which means “our sages of blessed memory” or “our sages, may their memory be a blessing.” In its strictest sense, Chazal refers to the final opinion expressed in the Talmud, but the term is sometimes used more loosely to refer to the generally accepted opinion of any of the wise people who have contributed to Jewish law.”

    The Talmud supersedes their interpretation of the Old Testament and is completely foreign to our four mutual law sources, as well as our ultimate law source, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Christ Jesus/Yeshua made this absolutely clear.
    The English translation of the Talmud has been watered down so as to conceal from the Gentiles the “satanic verses” contained in the original Hebrew.
    The “Satanic Verses” of the Talmud can be classified into 3 categories:
    1) Jewish supremacy.
    2) Hatred towards the “Goys” (Gentiles).
    3) Blasphemies against Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary and all Christians.
    Nathaniel Kapner was brought up in a religious Jewish home. He later converted to Christianity and has spent a great deal of his time exposing Talmudic Judaism and Zionism. Speaking of what Talmudic law promotes Kapner explains: “The Talmud supercedes the Old Testament in authority for the Jews. And the Talmud is the most racist, hate-mongering , blasphemous book the world has ever known.”
    Scripture indicates that the Messiah Jesus censored this “Oral Law” when He confronted the Pharisees: “By the traditions of your elders you make void the Word of God.” (St Matthew 15).

    Maybe you ought to check it out because each time you open your mouth toward me you only succeed in showing yourself that much more of a fool.

  120. mari's Gravatar mari
    September 8, 2012 - 8:15 pm | Permalink

    John Hearns

    I do sneer at race mixing although it is way, way down on the list of things to be eradicted to save Whites. Affirmative action and black on White crime are tops on the list.

    Again, White American men have no equals in race mixing. For 400 years they produced mullattoos and octoroons like Jesse Jackson, (pure White Father, 3/4 White Mother, skin the color of a lemon). Then they brought over hundreds of thousands of asian wives in the 20th century.

    Before you criticixe the French, look to America for black White mixing.

  121. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 8:25 pm | Permalink

    @mari:

    You said

    Religion is irrevelant to the White resistance against a jew and liberal dominated goverment that wants all of us dead.

    Answer

    _”Brillant!” Alienate the super majority of white Christians from WN’s as a way to combat the “Jews” and their allies in the minority racial groups. Ya, thats the ticket and in that way we can deal with the massive invasion of white Christian nations and peoples from foreigners as directed by the so called Jews.

    Thats your idea? Honestly, that is the most STUPID idea I have ever heard. Getting non believing whites (the super minority) and believing whites (the super majority) to understand that it is we, the white/European Christan peoples who are the real semites- real hebrews, real Jacob- real Israel/Judah and not the “Jews” is absolutely central to destroying the identity theive “Jews”. It is WE who were given the mandate to rule the world, not the “Jews”. Without this understanding, we will NEVER and I mean EVER win.

  122. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 8, 2012 - 8:53 pm | Permalink

    @mari:


    I do sneer at race mixing although it is way, way down on the list of things to be eradicted to save Whites. Affirmative action and black on White crime are tops on the list.

    High crime and discrimination are very bad , to be sure, but it is once black never back for whites. Race mixing is forever. Whites could be out bred, and mixed bred, out of existence.

    Before you criticixe the French, look to America for black White mixing.

    I did not say that the US is any better. Race mixing is rampant. You see little Jess’ popping up everywhere.

  123. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    September 8, 2012 - 9:03 pm | Permalink

    @Kevin MacDonald:

    “One test of (a) versus (b) could be the extent to which that mindset has decreased in frequency and intensity among Israelis as opposed to Jews in other countries, which causal observation seems to support, at least to some degree.”

    Has the State of Israel made Netanyahu any more friendly to his neighbors? I don’t see it. Or has Israel had any positive influence on any American Jew who has spent a lot of time in Israel? I’m sure you encounter many in university settings.

  124. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 8, 2012 - 9:35 pm | Permalink

    @Kevin MacDonald:

    a tendency in Jewish thought to take things to
    extremes and to pursue pure principle divorced from direct contact with the often confusing whirl of reality.

    Yes, it seems to be a brain that rather specializes in abstract thought at the expense of concrete reality. Most of the professions they enter have a strong element of dealing with abstract items (law, finance). I don’t hear of them working in fields such as engineering as much, in which knowledge has to be tested against reality constantly. Medicine might be an exception, except that the way it is often practiced is not so much by a true scientific method, but by a memorization of a vast amount of information and using a cook book approach of “if, then” decision trees.

  125. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 8, 2012 - 10:04 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Thanks for the anecdote, which further endears me to Elizabeth II. Her husband’s candour is always refreshing (the “gaffes” that always have the press in a lather).

    Monarchy in anything more than a vestigial, cosmetic form ended with World War I. Even so, the symbolism must still be held to exert some influence on national sentiment and risk to the real bearers of power: the abdication of Edward VII – love, or his inconvenient love for Bayreuth and all that?

  126. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 8, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    @Kevin MacDonald:

    One test of (a) versus (b) could be the extent to which that mindset has
    decreased in frequency and intensity among Israelis as opposed to Jews in
    other countries, which causal observation seems to support, at least to some
    degree.

    Often, the answer to an out of touch big government lefty is to get a business in the real world and pay the tax; in the theory that they tend to get the more practical side of things.

    The same might be true when you get your own country.

    I would think that Jews would be better off if they were more hands on. I think that many have said the same. “Get a real job”

  127. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 8, 2012 - 10:10 pm | Permalink

    ” Henry Kissinger & sons welding and fabrication . No job too big or small ! “

  128. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 8, 2012 - 10:20 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Yes, it seems to be a brain that rather specializes in abstract thought at the expense of concrete reality. Most of the professions they enter have a strong element of dealing with abstract items (law, finance). I don’t hear of them working in fields such as engineering as much, in which knowledge has to be tested against reality constantly. Medicine might be an exception, except that the way it is often practiced is not so much by a true scientific method, but by a memorization of a vast amount of information and using a cook book approach of “if, then” decision trees.

    It is scary that so many are into medicine. I mean with the Talmud in mind.

    ” Hey Doc, did you guys really mean it in your “holy” book when you say that the gentiles are less than human and that the best of us should be killed? ”

    Mad mad world.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 8, 2012 - 10:30 pm | Permalink

      Is there anyone in this community who might elucidate the ethnicity of the editors of that other hand book for professional/legal mental health purposes, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual?

  129. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 8, 2012 - 10:33 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Yeah, I put Van Creveld’s analysis through the Jewish filter first, but I think you’ll find this work, having no incidence on things Jewish, pretty interesting, if turgid.

    Hoppe makes the point that an especially bad monarch, whose poor judgement or squandering endangered the entire realm, ran a very real risk of being murdered by kin. Incumbency guaranteed for life, but no guarantee of dotage.

  130. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 8, 2012 - 11:05 pm | Permalink

    @Ken Freeland:I believe the Church’s censure of lending at interest is more attributable to economic ignorance than anything else.

    On the other hand, fractionally reserved lending (dating from the early Renaissance, and the prevailing lending model today) is tantamount to a fraud in property titles.

    From memory, wasn’t it Shylock’s perversity (pound of flesh) and implacable cruelty (insistence on contractual satisfaction) rather than a condemnation of the lending of money per se that comes across from Shakespeare?

  131. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 8, 2012 - 11:07 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    You said:

    (*) When it comes to slander, sir, look in the mirror.

    (**) Mari knows immeasurably more than you do, Mr. Parsons

    Answer:

    Here is your chance scooter.

    Show me ONE slander I have made.

    Show everyone here how the so called Jews are real Judah/Israel when and that they follow the Old Testament.

    Show everyone here how the “Jews” have Egyptian DNA in them and we white Europeans don’t, which would prove they were slaves of the Egyptians and we were not, and that they mixed with the Egyptians and/or are also of the tribes of Manassah ands Ephriam.

    Sometimes I am completely shocked on the hyprocrisy and ignorance of some here. Some of you are on par with the “Jews” whose hypocrisy knows no bounds. And you call yourselves “white” people? With “friends” like these, who needs enemies.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 8, 2012 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

      TyronRobertParsons you have demonstrated inordinate patience and forebearance in this forum.
      I have said before I do not pretend to be scholar, therefore I am not your critic.
      Pierre’s comments have too often struck me as being presumptiously judgemental/unctuous/supercilious, in which case Christ taught us to shake the dust from our feet.

  132. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 8, 2012 - 11:29 pm | Permalink

    “maladadaptively altruistic” – is this not the Darwinian dead-end? First, if the trait is deleterious, how come it still prevails? Second, if it is, in fact, deleterious, then it will be selected out. Who could object?

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 8, 2012 - 11:32 pm | Permalink

      Trenchant, the wonderful surprise about humans is that they can actually unlearn conditioned behaviours, then re learnnew, more adaptive behaviours. The devil is in the details of the definitions. LOL

  133. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 8, 2012 - 11:45 pm | Permalink

    I have real problems with translating racial differences into the moral sphere. Michael Levin’s precis of Why Race Matters is an example of what I consider a very slippery slope:
    “Tracing black crime to genetic factors leads back to free will and responsibility. Race defends the view that, while the lower mean level of responsibility of blacks makes them by definition less punishable than whites, it permits other measures to control black crime. After all, homicidal maniacs, although not punishable, are not let roam free. Race suggests some possible deterrent measures, including swifter imposition of harsher sanctions on blacks than whites for the same infraction, in light of higher black time preferences, and (in light of the apparent more rapid maturation of blacks) treatment of blacks as adult offenders at an earlier age than whites. It is also noted that if white mistreatment has so affected the psyches of blacks that they are not accountable for their actions, as some apologists assert, blacks must also forego civil privileges associated with full rationality, such as voting and jury service.”
    http://is.gd/juozFb

  134. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 9, 2012 - 12:16 am | Permalink

    @ anita:
    Sure, but I’m referring to genetic dispositions or traits (given), and not learned behaviours (acquired). “maladadaptively altruistic” seemed to me to be coming from a Darwinian perspective, and in that case, who cares?

    Nature weans out both unproductive behaviours (OK, Keith Richards excepted) and suboptimal gene patrimonies (good genes outweighing his vodka OJ, brown-sugar lifestyle?).

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 1:12 am | Permalink

      Trenchant I am delighted to learn that you have a sense of humour; as you see, the divide between nature and nurture is not a tidy straight line.

  135. Marat's Gravatar Marat
    September 9, 2012 - 12:21 am | Permalink

    @ Prof. MacDonald

    Prof. MacDonald writes:
    “The common thread of all three quotes (is there is one and my mind is not
    just running in circles) is a tendency in Jewish thought to take things to
    extremes and to pursue pure principle divorced from direct contact with the
    often confusing whirl of reality.

    If so, perhaps it can be explained by: (a) an intelligent people who’ve
    been divorced from a homeland for so long; (b) a general personality
    characteristic; or (c) both.”

    I am not so sure about the “divorced from a homeland for so long” has anything to do with the jewish character trait of endless kibbutzing. They will take any thought they can to the furtherest extreme because they will take any subject matter and keep talking about it endlessly out of a need to never stop talking. It will go on for days with diversions galore, sidetracks and various meanderings. Anything, anything at all in order to just keep talking. At the same time they are conversation killers with an anti-social tendency to take what might be a profound or poetic thought that needs no extrapolation, one that should be savored for its purity, be it a poetic line, a brilliant reposte, things of that nature, and they will kill it by talking about it in the way that they want to. If a gentile will point out they have killed the purity of the thought, they will deny it. They will insist they just want to examine it further. They will have no idea they are killing it. They cannot savor in silence, anything.

    They detest the curtailment of conversation if the gentile refuses to continue and falls into silence. If the silence is a contented silence this will anger them and often they will skulk off with an abused air. If the gentile falls into an irritated silence because he just can’t take their anti-social thought killing way of conversing, they will be happier about that and say things like, “I didn’t want to make you angry.” There is some sort of half honesty in this. They don’t want to make you angry, not really, because they are interested in pursuing talking.

    You cannot triumph in any argument with a Jew. They are never convinced. They are never convinced in arguments with other Jews. This enables them to just keep talking in endless streams of digressive chatter. There is no stopping this. They are uncomfortable with silence.

    This could be from living in a ghettoized existence even if the ghetto is Great Neck Long Island. It is habit formed from ghettoization which means they are not socialized.

    This same character trait of the Jew is on display in any country or city. Even in Tel Aviv. There is no difference because of place.

    @ John Kaminsky

    The idea that Christianity is another jewish racket has been around for a long time. Of course Jews would want to claim they started Christianity. There are books written by Jews on the subject. “Christ wasn’t real anyway!” they will write. “Ha Ha, we started that one sucker!!” Ha Ha. Anything to keep the goyim down, they will do and they will say.

    Christ existed and Christ is Defiance.

    We won’t let them have this one. A pity that you fell for it and attempt to get other people down in the same hole you’re in left with other jewish catch phrases such as “liberty” and “freedom.”

  136. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 9, 2012 - 12:28 am | Permalink

    All right, seriously, any WN who actually uses the term “gentile” to describe himself and his fellow Whites shouldn’t be allowed to post anything.

  137. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 12:53 am | Permalink

    @fender:

    Why so?

    Definition of GENTILE

    often capitalized : a person of a non-Jewish nation or of non-Jewish faith; especially : a Christian as distinguished from a Jew

    gen·til·i·ty (jn-tl-t)
    n.
    1. The quality of being well-mannered; refinement.
    2. The condition of being born to the gentry.
    3. Persons of high social standing considered as a group.
    4. An attempt to convey or maintain the appearance of refinement and elegance.
    [Middle English gentilete, nobility of birth, from Old French, from Latin gentlits, from gentlis, of the same clan; see gentle.]

  138. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 9, 2012 - 12:55 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    Speaking of Kissinger, he has said some interesting things about Jews. Apparently, he does not see them with rosy glasses, even though he is one. I must admit, I like the ability to strip away the romantic view of your own group and see things as they really are. Kissinger said:

    “Is there a more self-serving group of people than the Jewish community?”

    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/11/henry-kissinger-vents-about-self-serving-jewish-bastards

    This is the way I would tend to see them (especially the Eastern European Jews). Not as EVIL in some supernatural sense, but as clever self-serving bastards who indulge mindless self-pity.

  139. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 9, 2012 - 1:11 am | Permalink

    @mari: Whilst I appreciate that often Jews have kept cartels in financing, this has as much to do with banking charters and State privilege, raising barriers to entry, as it does with nepotism.

    I’d be interested in the Hungarian example of monopoly in sectors like retail. Here the barriers to entry should be low (unless there were guilds) – why wouldn’t new businesses spring up to compete with the outrageously high margins the Jews enjoyed after their subsidization ended? It sounds a little like mercantilistic pleading, but I’m open to correction.

    Great John Wayne story.

  140. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 9, 2012 - 1:13 am | Permalink

    @fender: Goyim better?

  141. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 1:13 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    This is the way I would tend to see them (especially the Eastern European Jews). Not as EVIL in some supernatural sense, but as clever self-serving bastards who indulge mindless self-pity.

    Yes , but , do you see that they are so incredibly unique and covert and incredibly deceptive and powerful and historic and chronic, in that they are responsible for so much mayhem … that it is understandable that they could be seen as evil? for the lack of a long winded description of volumes of material, in an attempt at a quick and effective description ?

  142. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 1:25 am | Permalink

    @Marat:


    Christ existed and Christ is Defiance.

    We won’t let them have this one. A pity that you fell for it and attempt to get other people down in the same hole you’re in left with other jewish catch phrases such as “liberty” and “freedom.”

    I agree in principle , but you have to admit that
    the way that Christianity has been made to be multi-culti -global- socialist- humanist- politically correct; the Jews might as well have invented it for their own agenda !

    Not that they did , and not that it should be that way.

  143. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 9, 2012 - 1:30 am | Permalink

    @Elizabeth: Which Pope? Wojtyla?

  144. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 1:30 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Goyim better?

    Goyim is not that inaccurate a description, and sticks and stones and blah blah blah .
    Let’s face it, white people, like others; are pretty herd/cow like.

  145. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 9, 2012 - 1:35 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    I think a victim of abuse would have to their attacker as evil. It is human nature that when you are being attacked by a group to see them in a pretty dim light, and Jews have been attacking Whites for the last century. I don’t blame either the Indians or the Whites for seeing each other as horrible, for example.

    Now, when approaching Whites who are unaware of Jewish power for the first time, I don’t think it is effective to refer to them as EVIL (especially in some cosmic sense) because almost everyone stops listening. We have to establish a beachhead and then fill in the details later. At least that makes sense to me.

  146. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 1:37 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Speaking of Kissinger, he has said some interesting things about Jews. Apparently, he does not see them with rosy glasses, even though he is one. I must admit, I like the ability to strip away the romantic view of your own group and see things as they really are. Kissinger said:

    “Is there a more self-serving group of people than the Jewish community?”

    A shocker that one is .

    I do know that Jews are famous for in-fighting , it’s just that they manage to keep in.

    I won’t hold my breath waiting for Kissinger to get on TV and inform the entire world by spilling all of his beans.

  147. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 9, 2012 - 1:38 am | Permalink

    @Anita

    Thank you. I try to ignore those type people but my personality is such that it makes it almost impossible for me to do so when slandered.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 2:48 am | Permalink

      TyronRobertParsons nothing is impossible with Christ. If He could not stop the slandererers, there is your guide. If you are studying, focus on your studies and remember there are people here who do appreciate your scholarship.
      Peace.

  148. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 1:49 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I think a victim of abuse would have to their attacker as evil. It is human nature that when you are being attacked by a group to see them in a pretty dim light, and Jews have been attacking Whites for the last century. I don’t blame either the Indians or the Whites for seeing each other as horrible, for example.

    I don’t think the Indians should see us as evil. Judging by what I know of Indians in history before whites. I think Indians should be relatively appreciative that all and all we were better than say another Indian band might have been if that Indian band had the kind of advantage we had over them. I think another Indian band that had the means that whites had , might have made the Indians into tarps for their teepees, or worse.

    In terms of the use of the term evil;
    I think that that sneaky covert aggression is the darkest.

  149. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 9, 2012 - 1:54 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    That is true, Indians had fought and killed each other for 10,000 years before we got here. Indians were pretty reasonable in the way they saw Whites. It was later when Jews said all Whites were Evil Incarnate and all Indians were pure angels that the current silly view started.

  150. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 2:05 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Indians were pretty reasonable in the way they saw Whites.

    Indians were famous for their dirty tricks. They would not attack on even terms. They would be sure to outnumber whites 10 to 1 and they might attack when the whites thought they were getting along reasonably well.
    When Indians attacked and burned the wagons the remaining whites were killed in the most horrible ways possible. Indians were not called savages or wagon burners for no reason .

    It was later when Jews said all Whites were Evil Incarnate and all Indians were pure angels that the current silly view started.

    See? now that is evil !

  151. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 9, 2012 - 2:12 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    Found something else interesting – this is Kissinger saying he thinks that NS Germany is talked about too much. Then he becomes concerned the camera is on. This is from some video that doesn’t take issue with Holocaust claims, but apparently says there is an industry built around it. The first 20 seconds has Kissinger:

  152. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 9, 2012 - 2:14 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    Oh yes, when I say Indians were “reasonable” about how they saw Whites, I mean I don’t think they invented this tale of how “evil” we were, that was the Jews, along with White Anti-Whites, mainly from liberal New Englanders. Yes, Indians were bloody vicious.

  153. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 2:24 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I mean I don’t think they invented this tale of how “evil” we were, that was the Jews, along with White Anti-Whites, mainly from liberal New Englanders.

    Do you think the New Englanders were enabled by Jews?
    I think that Jews exploit the do-gooders who have some kind of sick need to patronize poor dark people and the need to blame whites as a concept , but they would go no where with out the help of the tribe and it’s media and vast organization.
    The do-gooders think they are doing good on some level, but the tribe is more cold and calculating and yes evil.

  154. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 9, 2012 - 2:33 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    The do-gooders think they are doing good on some level, but the tribe is more cold and calculating and yes evil.

    Yes, I think Jews exploited what was there – the liberal Whites. Without Jews it wouldn’t have happened like it did. Or, it would take centuries instead of decades. However, I do dislike White Racial Liberals quite a bit. They are supposed to have some loyalty to us. Jews have always said they hated us, so I don’t feel “betrayed” by them quite as much. I know that sounds odd to many here, but personally, it is the White person who harbors all these dangerous thoughts that I dislike the most.

    In a lot of ways, I think the White Genocide going on today was set in motion by Lincoln and the North. I know Lincoln was a White Supremacist in reality, but the North treated the South horribly and the Civil War destroyed forever what he had – a free country of White men. Remember they installed inexperienced black people as senators and congressman to humiliate the region. Pretty vicious stuff.

  155. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 2:41 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    But I do know what you mean. I think that evil is too hokey in a sense as to be effective , and I get that.
    It is better to keep it scientific.
    They are very different and what we see as deceptive and repulsive and depraved they see ( or don’t see but more like act out ) as a necessary means of survival as they are an out group in their niche within their host society. It’s an evolutionary strategy thing.

    Ps.
    And it’s down right evil, because if that isn’t evil then nothing is.
    haha

  156. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 9, 2012 - 2:42 am | Permalink

    @mari:

    One last thing:

    You said

    my desire is to end affiramtive action, black on White crime

    Answer:

    I normally would not bring this up but you force me to. I served about 2 years on the Czech border during the “cold war” on the most forwardly deployed base in NATO. During that time my white/European American cohorts and I were viciously persecuted, both physically and psychologically, by a bunch of black “superiors” who were Black Panther or sympathizers with the BP. What we went through was so surreal, me and another white soldier ended up calling the IG who came down to investigate. I had to wait until I was “short” with my papers to leave the military before I could do so because of the death threats given to us if we did end up calling the IG. A trial ensued where 4 black “superiors” were kicked out of the military while one was demoted- our black platoon Sgt transferred to the Berlin brigade where all the loonies were sent.

    To get back at me because I broke our agreement, my CO dispatched CID to investigate me on trumped up charges after I left the service, still being under the UCMJ for 3 months. Had I not recorded our conversation, they would have brought me up on those charges and would have convicted (conviction rate is 99% in the military) me which would have probably left me still busting rocks in Manheim to this day. I had to leave the US and run to Mexico when CID came to my home, this to make sure that even if they did bring me up on charges, they would have to catch me. Everything blew over after the UCMJ jurisdiction ran out so I came back to America.

    For 7 years I worked for the “Jewish” ex minister of Media under the old Shah of Iran in California. Mansur Pourman was his name. After figuring out his publications he sold were nothing more than a shakedown of white America- I fought him tooth and nail within his own company costing him millions. For some reason he would not fire me. He said he did not want to create a Martyr.

    After leaving his company when figuring out his gig completely, I decided to start my own journals but mine were with an interesting twist. Mine were designed to protect Government entities and companies affiliated with the Government from EEOC racial audits so they might be free to hire on merit. This was accomplished by way of using my “minority journals” as in house records which would comply with AA and EEO “laws”. These “laws” state that they cannot fine anyone as long as they “post” they are an equal opportunity employer and show an “active effort” in trying to hire qualified minorities.

    My journals had an extremely low readership but they were distributed 4th class bulk to universities, Job banks, urban leagues etc, nationwide.

    Hence, when one posted an “EEO” ad in my journal, they could claim by way of in house files that they complied with the “law” and in this way they could hire the best person for the job which was almost always a white person.

    This is how I pitched it to every single municipality and school district throughout the nation having called every one of them and selling about 1/3rd of them.

    The Government did not like me because I was not breaking any laws. Those who bought ads were not breaking any laws either and were very happy to be freed up to hire whites, and/or the best person for the job again.

    So what did they do? What they always do. They railroaded me forcing me to plead out to a competitor journal’s crime of mail fraud- least, as they told me; they would come after my sister next.

    I was given 1,000,000 dollars “restitution” on one 395 dollar advert not even associated with me or my business. This destroyed my journals and my financial future since anything I own they will take and anything over 2,000 a month I make they will confiscate to this day.

    This insane sentence was handed down by a “Jewish” Judge in Federal Court in Phoenix Arizona by the name of Judge Rosenthal. He did not like me very much because he made everyone leave the court room except the FBI (Who was actually on my side) the attorneys and me when he screamed at me for 5 minutes straight calling me a coward saying “If I had any balls I would have shot the FBI agents when they wanted to talk to me”. This judge made the famous Nazi judge who bitched out the poor German farmer in 45 look like a choir boy. After screaming at the top of his lungs, he stopped and asked me why I disliked the Government. I had prayed before that the Lord would give me the right words when I spoke so when I was finally given the chance to speak I told the “Jewish” judge that his behavior and this entire trial pretty much summed up why I “dislike the Government”. This made everyone laugh except the “Jewish” Judge. He then handed down my sentence which was the million dollar restitution and 5 years federal probation. By the grace of God I escaped jail time.

    So, while you claim you want to take on the black on white crime, I have lived it and have PTSD to this day because of it. My case is pending in a DC appeals court right now.

    When you say you want to take on Affirmative Action- I have and have had my financial life ruined, lost contract with my eldest daughter because of this which also precipitated my divorce to the mother of my 2 other children.

    So please understand when I say you and your ilk do not impress me and you DONT know me, nor do you understand the enemy you think you do.

  157. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 9, 2012 - 2:43 am | Permalink

    @mari:

    One last thing:

    You said

    my desire is to end affiramtive action, black on White crime

    Answer:

    I normally would not bring this up but you force me to. I served about 2 years on the Czech border during the “cold war” on the most forwardly deployed base in NATO. During that time my white/European American cohorts and I were viciously persecuted, both physically and psychologically, by a bunch of black “superiors” who were Black Panther or sympathizers with the BP. What we went through was so surreal, me and another white soldier ended up calling the IG who came down to investigate. I had to wait until I was “short” with my papers to leave the military before I could do so because of the death threats given to us if we did end up calling the IG. A trial ensued where 4 black “superiors” were kicked out of the military while one was demoted- our black platoon Sgt transferred to the Berlin brigade where all the loonies were sent.

    To get back at me because I broke our agreement, my CO dispatched CID to investigate me on trumped up charges after I left the service, still being under the UCMJ for 3 months. Had I not recorded our conversation, they would have brought me up on those charges and would have convicted (conviction rate is 99% in the military) me which would have probably left me still busting rocks in Manheim to this day. I had to leave the US and run to Mexico when CID came to my home, this to make sure that even if they did bring me up on charges, they would have to catch me. Everything blew over after the UCMJ jurisdiction ran out so I came back to America.

    For 7 years I worked for the “Jewish” ex minister of Media under the old Shah of Iran in California. Mansur Pourman was his name. After figuring out his publications he sold were nothing more than a shakedown of white America- I fought him tooth and nail within his own company costing him millions. For some reason he would not fire me. He said he did not want to create a Martyr.

    After leaving his company when figuring out his gig completely, I decided to start my own journals but mine were with an interesting twist. Mine were designed to protect Government entities and companies affiliated with the Government from EEOC racial audits so they might be free to hire on merit. This was accomplished by way of using my “minority journals” as in house records which would comply with AA and EEO “laws”. These “laws” state that they cannot fine anyone as long as they “post” they are an equal opportunity employer and show an “active effort” in trying to hire qualified minorities.

    My journals had an extremely low readership but they were distributed 4th class bulk to universities, Job banks, urban leagues etc, nationwide.

    Hence, when one posted an “EEO” ad in my journal, they could claim by way of in house files that they complied with the “law” and in this way they could hire the best person for the job which was almost always a white person.

    This is how I pitched it to every single municipality and school district throughout the nation having called every one of them and selling about 1/3rd of them.

    The Government did not like me because I was not breaking any laws. Those who bought ads were not breaking any laws either and were very happy to be freed up to hire whites, and/or the best person for the job again.

    So what did they do? What they always do. They railroaded me forcing me to plead out to a competitor journal’s crime of mail fraud- least, as they told me; they would come after my sister next.

    I was given 1,000,000 dollars “restitution” on one 395 dollar advert not even associated with me or my business. This destroyed my journals and my financial future since anything I own they will take and anything over 2,000 a month I make they will confiscate to this day.

    This insane sentence was handed down by a “Jewish” Judge in Federal Court in Phoenix Arizona by the name of Judge Rosenthal. He did not like me very much because he made everyone leave the court room except the FBI (Who was actually on my side) the attorneys and me when he screamed at me for 5 minutes straight calling me a coward saying “If I had any balls I would have shot the FBI agents when they wanted to talk to me”. This judge made the famous Na-i judge who bitched out the poor German farmer in 45 look like a choir boy. After screaming at the top of his lungs, he stopped and asked me why I disliked the Government. I had prayed before that the Lord would give me the right words when I spoke so when I was finally given the chance to speak I told the “Jewish” judge that his behavior and this entire trial pretty much summed up why I “dislike the Government”. This made everyone laugh except the “Jewish” Judge. He then handed down my sentence which was the million dollar restitution and 5 years federal probation. By the grace of God I escaped jail time.

    So, while you claim you want to take on the black on white crime, I have lived it and have PTSD to this day because of it. My case is pending in a DC appeals court right now.

    When you say you want to take on Affirmative Action- I have and have had my financial life ruined, lost contract with my eldest daughter because of this which also precipitated my divorce to the mother of my 2 other children.

    So please understand when I say you do not impress me and you DONT know me, nor do you understand the enemy you think you do.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 3:42 am | Permalink

      TyronRobertParsons your life story is harrowing. Congratulations on coming through this far; I have added your situation to our prayer list.
      My family served in BAOR Germany in the seventies,but our experiences were fairy tale, compared to yours. I am so sorry for your suffering and hope for successful appeal.

  158. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 2:47 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    In a lot of ways, I think the White Genocide going on today was set in motion by Lincoln and the North. I know Lincoln was a White Supremacist in reality, but the North treated the South horribly and the Civil War destroyed forever what he had – a free country of White men. Remember they installed inexperienced black people as senators and congressman to humiliate the region. Pretty vicious stuff.

    Yes, but was the civil war promoted and enabled by the Rothchild banking network of power and influence ? Cold and calculatingly?

  159. Marat's Gravatar Marat
    September 9, 2012 - 3:07 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:
    “agree in principle , but you have to admit that
    the way that Christianity has been made to be multi-culti -global- socialist- humanist- politically correct; the Jews might as well have invented it for their own agenda !

    Not that they did , and not that it should be that way.”

    John H— the Jews have infiltrated the christian churches which are all now zionist operations including the Catholic Church. An exception might be the eastern orthodox christian church. Agreed, they are corrupt from top to bottom in the way you describe.

    The point I hoped to make to John Kaminsky is that Christ existed on earth. K thinks He is made up, that Christ is a conspiratorial story that was made up by the jews. He embraces a certain jewish idea including a certain fondness for hinduism which is also a jewish idea, not the origin just the pushing of these religions— all of it done by jews. Look at all the hollywood jews into buddha and hinduism or the “new age movement” which was started by jews and who influenced public opinion by writing about how great buddhism and hinduism was during the 1960′s and millions of white kids took it up. Anything but Christianity for the whites.

    One can be a white pagan but it is counterproductive for a white pagan to rail against other white people who are Christians. The Jews hate Christianity and Christians more than they hate anybody else, including white pagans, nationalists or not. This is simply a fact.

    White pagans have to come to grips with this and stop dividing themselves against white christians. It’s dumb. We need unity here.

    Christ is Defiance no matter how He was subsequently marketed and sold to the public after His life and Death. He defied Jewish power. As any heroic figure might do, He was willing to die for His beliefs and He was martyred for His beliefs. The Jews have hated Him and Christianity ever since for the simple reason that no matter what, they cannot Him. They cannot kill Christ and they know it. So they are intent on trying to kill Christianity or subvert as hard as they can. No matter what, Christ will remain.

    Apparently this galls the pagan whites as much as it does the Jews. So both Jews and white-pagans-against Christ share a common bond.

  160. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 3:22 am | Permalink

    @Marat:

    White pagans have to come to grips with this and stop dividing themselves against white christians. It’s dumb. We need unity here.

    Agreed.
    Even if they happen not to believe, they need to see that Christianity should be reformed from it’s corruption , and for them not to stupidly trash a natural ally. Sadly , they are stuck on the corruption .

  161. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 3:29 am | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:

    wow, that is wild and all the best to you with your fight!

  162. brian boru's Gravatar brian boru
    September 9, 2012 - 4:13 am | Permalink

    At times I am satisfied with the description of jews as the most highly evolved parasitic life-form on the planet, responsible for more human death and suffering and cultural and environmental destruction than all people on earth combined. However, I also wonder at the definition of ‘parasite’. What is a parasite exactly and what is its function in the workings of life in this world? Surely everything has some purpose in the greater scheme of things, even parasites? Are we parasitic in that we live on other life-forms such as plants? It’s only when we introduce morality to the equation that the position of the jew changes from that of other types of parasite. The tick and tape worm have no choice in how they live. They must be parasitic to survive and all life has the innate urge to survive, to exist. With the jew choice is involved. Jews could survive well without behaving like they do. As a group they are fairly intelligent, certainly more so than most non-white humans. They could be productive and peace-loving if they chose to. Yet they don’t and never have. All records about this tribe for as long as they have existed describe a people apart from all others who have consistently behaved in a way which caused them to be hated and despised. Every evil in the human experience can be ascribed to them. There is no doubt that we would live in an entirely different world if they had never existed. Yet they do, and what exists must have some purpose. Universal Consciousness underlies everything in this and any other universes that exist from the most remote galaxy to the most humble form of life and are expressions of this timeless force. We acknowledge the existence of the tape worm but we don’t tolerate and accept its behaviour because our drive to survive and thrive demand that we deal with it. In the same way we acknowledge the existence of the jew but must also deal with it from a purely biological perspective, never mind a moral one. The jew is a lethal life-form, threatening not just our race and civilisation but all life on the planet.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 8:10 pm | Permalink

      brian boru: “The jew is a lethal life-form, threatening not just our race and civilisation but all life on the planet”
      Great analogy, as the outraged amongst us seek out a treatment plan. As I have posted elsewhere, Gordon Duff has written a blistering commentary in Veterans Today, Sunday 9 September 2012.
      As a Christian, the process begins with naming the hypocrisies/crimes committed by our rulers in our names.
      NOT IN OUR NAMES!

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 8:11 pm | Permalink

      brian boru: “The jew is a lethal life-form, threatening not just our race and civilisation but all life on the planet”
      Great analogy, as the outraged amongst us seek out a treatment plan.
      As a Christian, the process begins with naming the hypocrisies/crimes committed by our rulers in our names.
      NOT IN OUR NAMES!

  163. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    September 9, 2012 - 4:18 am | Permalink

    The problem for K-MAC is that he risks becoming just another early Church gnostic complete with his own set of tiresome disciples. Gnosticism is at the root of most ‘incomplete thinkers’ as Dr Jones might term them. This heresy is at the root of Judaism also and what the American project promised from its conception is to trump this and other heresies by what, in the final analysis, is just another brand of what Judaism offers in the first place.

    I have doubts about Dr Macdonald’s so called science because most of us should have enough Aristotle to know that there remains only four material sciences: physics, astronomy, chemistry and the new kid on the block, microbiology. If anyone from these disciplines has something to offer this debate, fine. In their absence, what is on offer here is nothing more than junk science and, as Jones might define it, incomplete just as the four classic disciplines are also incomplete but at least present verifiable evidence.

    Jones is correct that an exclusively material explanation for the present predicament is not enough. It is no less striking that the junk scientists on here NEVER resist veering into the metaphysical (at least some classical scientists possess discipline to resist the corruption of their methodology) and every discussion breaks down into bitterness and rancour on metaphysical values. I would conclude as Jones does that, contrary to the claims of the junk scientists on here, humanity is hardwired that way.

  164. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    September 9, 2012 - 6:32 am | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:

    bum deal man. but a hero’s story

  165. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 9, 2012 - 7:22 am | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons: That’s quite a vivid third rail experience. I’m sorry for you. I wince thinking what you would have copped if you’d given the judge the Esau number.☺

  166. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    September 9, 2012 - 7:25 am | Permalink

    @fender: Brother fender? The jews are the ‘chosen’ people of their god, who is the reverse of our God. Their god and their father is Satan, and the Jesus dude stated that very clearly in a number of places in the New Testament.

    The most amazing aspect to all this deception on their part, though, is how they’ve been able to snooker millions of these extremely stupid ‘Christian Zionists’ into ignoring what Jesus said more than once about the jews, and then letting themselves be duped into believing its important to lick the toes, and other less savory body parts, of Satan’s chosen children, while mistakenly thinking the whole time that they are smoozing up to the Christian God’s favorite pets.

    It’s really no small wonder that jews harbor such a deep-rooted caldron of contempt and hatred for non-jews who are dumb enough to be snookered like this.

    In fact, I tend to share that very same level of contempt.

  167. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 9, 2012 - 7:29 am | Permalink

    @buckle: I concur.

  168. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    September 9, 2012 - 7:33 am | Permalink

    @John hearns: An appropriate opportunity to make a strong book recommendation to the TOO community.

    Scalp Dance, by Tom Goodrich. If any there are any residual traces of jewish induced ‘white guilt’ still percolating around inside the hearts or minds of TOO readers with regards to what our steel-testicled White ancestors decided to do to solve the Indian problem, read this excellent book and you will be permanently cured of your white guilt disease.

    The book is basically a collection of letters that were written by the soldiers who were stationed on the frontier forts, where they described their accounts of the encounters they had with the various Indian tribes.

  169. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    September 9, 2012 - 7:59 am | Permalink

    @buckle: The same could be said for the epistemological bankruptcy of economics. The discipline was healthier a century ago, before it got polluted by empiricism.

  170. tombarnes's Gravatar tombarnes
    September 9, 2012 - 9:58 am | Permalink

    This is has been said before but the numbers need to be constantly repeated. With 200 million Goys and 6 million Jews the absolute numbers of smarter Goys are greater than Jewish people.
    So the question is why are the Jewish people over represented in the smarty-pants power positions?
    See ‘Arthur Hu’s Jewish statistics’ for a somewhat outdated list of the smarty-pants numbers.

    “Jewish over-representation appears to be a function of more than just IQ.

    “For the sake of argument, let’s assume 200 million White Americans (IQ 100), 6 million Jewish Americans (IQ 115), Normal distribution at the tail ends of the distribution, standard deviations for both populations of 15. That would give us roughly 32 million White Americans with IQ 115 or higher vs 3 million Jewish Americans with IQ 115 or higher. For IQ 130 or higher it is 4.6 million vs 950,000. For IQ 145 it is 270,000 vs 137,000. For IQ 160 it is 6,340 vs 8,100. If it is only 105, IQ 160 would be 6,340 vs 1,400.”

    The average Harvard undergrads IQ is 130 and thus non-Jewish whites should dominate the Ivy League schools, however, that is not the case. Why?”

    I think we are supposed to whisper to one another in our kitchens and say,”Wow look at all the Jewish people in positions of power!” and the proper reply, which is also whispered is, “Well they are much smarter you know.”
    The subject of absolute numbers never comes up, it is bad enough we even dared to talk about them.

  171. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 9, 2012 - 11:10 am | Permalink

    @fender: I’m to be banned then because it troubles me not in the least.

  172. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 9, 2012 - 11:28 am | Permalink

    @buckle: Precisely and eloquently put! The old “hard” sciences, whose practitioners were once proudly determined to disclaim knowledge of things outside their very disciplined disciplines, were indeed as hard as rocks. The new “hard” sciences claim to explain everything from mood swings to the existence of a system beyond nature. They are about as watertight as an uncaulked window and as hard as the comfy chair from the Pythons old Inquisition routine.

    @Trenchant: Me, too. I daren’t say anything more, since the two-headed Parsons/anita vaudeville act has outed me as unctuous and supercilious.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 7:51 pm | Permalink

      Pierre de Craon: ‘since the two-headed Parsons/anita vaudeville act has outed me as unctuous and supercilious’

      lol you have illustrated my point beautifully.
      No one has outed you, least of all Parsons.

      Look in the mirror and please stick to facts.

  173. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 9, 2012 - 11:30 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Make that “… Pythons’ …”.

  174. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 9, 2012 - 11:36 am | Permalink

    @Anita

    Thanks but in reality- my little story is nothing compared to some others. i just take issue with people who seek to divide us and rail against true Christianity as if Christ- the only one who has been successful at overcoming the “Jews”, is the ememy of the white man when he is our kin and creator.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 7:22 pm | Permalink

      TyronRobertParsons: there is paradoxical strength in humility.
      So much so, that ‘they’ have never successfully destroyed it: only ‘seemingly’ so in the desperate immediacies of their hate.
      Peace.

  175. Elizabeth's Gravatar Elizabeth
    September 9, 2012 - 12:03 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    That would be one. I study things and when I find something that seems too weird to be true, I try to find where the people in question actually claimed it themselves. They are often very proud of what they have done and brag about it.

    Here is a link from a Catholic website that you might find useful.
    http:// www. opusdeialert.com/opus-deis-rabbis.htm

    This one is currently living in our country:

    www. facebook.com/pages/HIRH-Princess-Susana-von-Radic

    She had a book available called Papal Geneaology

    This is what she says about it:
    Princess SUSANA FRANGIPANE
    ANJOU MANLIUS TORQUATUS
    von RADIC of Croatia
    About Me:
    Princess Susana Frangipani Anjou Manlius Torquatus von Radic (Raditsch, Radics)
    family lineage can be traced back through several European Royal families. Her family’s history includes numerous medieval Kings, Princes and Dukes, through several Popes,
    Byzantine and Roman Emperors, including the family’s legendary links to the founding fathers of the Roman Empire. The Vatican was instrumental with her family’s records
    where the information was carefully published in a book (Papal Genealogy) which explains how her family descends from the ancient Latin Anicii, Augusta and Octavia Houses.

  176. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 9, 2012 - 12:04 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    @Mickey
    @Trenchant

    Thank you for your kind comments. I feel weird now. I don’t deserve any recognition. That is not why i do what I do. I do it for the same reason I am sure most here do. We love our people. We love truth, honesty and goodness and cannot sit by idle as these satan’s spons destroy everything.

    I am sure anyone of you would have done the same as me or better if you found yourself in my shoes.

    That said, lets not talk about it anymore.

    Bless you…

  177. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    September 9, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    “All very true, but the question still remains of what is it about whites as opposed to others that has allowed for this situation to occur?

    As example, I just can not imagine the Japanese feeling guilted in to allowing for such a situation to occur in Japan.”

    Hi John

    Since you asked…

    My impression is that this issue is probably both complex and simple. I won’t even try to address it from the complex angle.

    My guess is that it boils down to the moral values and practices of a group.

    I’m not here to try to prove it, though. That’s just my best guess.

    If Japan hasn’t been affected the way Whites have, then their cultural values and morals might tell us something.

    Do they have a hedonistic culture like America? I’m not really familiar with Japan, but my sense is that they don’t — or at least they didn’t. Maybe they are becoming more Westernized — I don’t know.

    Here is a quote from one of Farnham’s articles.

    “Much of our challenge is not for lack of materiel, power, ideas, or strategies, but rather a lack of spiritual and moral health and vitality. We seem to think we can compartmentalize our individual lives, yet as a race still be of intrinsic worth simply because we are Aryan, are generally better looking than other people, are intelligent (more than our enemies will admit, but not as much as we believe we are) and because things pretty much went our way up to the last 50 years or so.

    But the complex equation called the human being is a package deal, not a buffet, and when we abdicated our morals, we relinquished our strength.”

    I think it’s likely that contraception (and the subsequent culture of recreational sex) and feminism played a huge role in the weakening of White people.

    Like I said, I’m not here to try to prove it. But that’s my best guess.

  178. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 9, 2012 - 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Seriously, as opposed to posting thousands of narcissistic posts that argue about nothing of importance, you all could be posting the Mantra and engaging Anti-Whites in debate. As opposed to some fantasy world where we post links to each other.

    I just spent some time doing it, and I will tell you this.

    1. It works
    2. The other side fears it
    3. It is fun
    4. After listening to Whites who are Anti-White, with all their lack of concern for the genocide of their own race (actually embrace of it) I have zero desire to ever help them. If they ever need help, they can call YOU.

  179. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    September 9, 2012 - 12:28 pm | Permalink

    @Doug:

    “Well said, Richard. We censor ourselves to conform to “popular” opinion which, in turn, is set by our Jewish-controlled media.”

    I agree.

    And thanks for the “small” compliment.

    I put the word “small” in quotes because things that seem small are often actually very meaningful and important.

  180. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    September 9, 2012 - 12:50 pm | Permalink

    @anita:
    Anita, As a white male born in Germany near the end of WW2 and raised after age 8 in Australia I compliment you on your very clear understanding of what is going on. Especially your take on Afghanistan; our young soldiers are dying to protect the largest Heroin crop on Earth.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 7:13 pm | Permalink

      Thank you Floda, accustomed as I am to being dismissed and denied, your words are precious to me.
      I continue to feel very European, in spite of the fairly global life I have lived.

      One of the books I truly treasure, and there are many, is a Dutch book of (do not laugh please) classic European fairy tales.
      It is very simple, with black and white illustrations, and when I go through it I am once again a small child on my father’s knee, listening to his voice as he read these stories to me, and I was completely enthralled.
      The two stories that most pertain to my own life, and how I observe life around me, are the Emperors’ New Clothes and the Princess and the Pea.
      Speaking my truths, honestly and directly, has brought upon my head, the worst of humanity’s vileness. For years, I shut down. To my own detriment of course.
      As for Afghanistan, I was privileged to live in Islamabad (visited the Khyber Pass) for a while, and truly despair at their situation. Privileged also to have lived in Canada and Germany, and now ‘grounded’ in Oz. Your early experiences resemble mine and it is nice to share thoughts about these issues.

  181. Elizabeth's Gravatar Elizabeth
    September 9, 2012 - 12:58 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons

    Tyron,
    I totally respect what you have done and what you are continuing to do.
    Anyone who thinks standing up against the Slavemasters is easy has simply not tried it yet. If they can’t distract you, buy you off or scare you off, they will take away the people you love and destroy your life here in every way possible. Christ made it quite clear what we would be taking on and set the example even to His death. .
    People who think Christianity is the “opiate of the masses” have no idea how difficult it really is or how totally committed you must be to stand firmly and quietly in the face of absolute evil and wait for guidance and act on it in spite of all consequences.
    Matthew 10:
    . 16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
    17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
    18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
    19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
    20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
    21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
    22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
    Real Christianity is not a social game, it is a life and death matter. Christ lives in spite of the worst they could do to him and Christians are still here after 2,000 years of them trying to kill us all off. We are winning this battle.
    I am glad you are on our side. Thanks, Elizabeth

  182. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 1:12 pm | Permalink

    @buckle:


    Jones is correct that an exclusively material explanation for the present predicament is not enough. It is no less striking that the junk scientists on here NEVER resist veering into the metaphysical (at least some classical scientists possess discipline to resist the corruption of their methodology) and every discussion breaks down into bitterness and rancour on metaphysical values. I would conclude as Jones does that, contrary to the claims of the junk scientists on here, humanity is hardwired that way.

    Yup , opinions are like derrieres , in that everyone has one , just as you do.
    haha

  183. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 1:16 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I just spent some time doing it, and I will tell you this.

    1. It works
    2. The other side fears it
    3. It is fun
    4. After listening to Whites who are Anti-White, with all their lack of concern for the genocide of their own race (actually embrace of it) I have zero desire to ever help them. If they ever need help, they can call YOU.

    I do post elsewhere.

    Any good posting turf that you care to share?

  184. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 9, 2012 - 1:17 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    “Why so?”

    Because it proves that you still haven’t broken free of your judaic mentality. You’re still living in their world, defining yourself as they see you: in opposition to them. Instead of seeing yourself as a White or a European, and jews as non-Whites or non-Europeans, you think in terms of Jew and Everyone Else (gentile), meaning you have no identity of your own, you’re simply a non-Jew.

    Something tells me it’s mainly Christians who still think of themselves as gentiles. It makes sense, because Christians are basically spiritual jews.

  185. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 9, 2012 - 1:26 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    Yes, check out this one active now and see the all the great posts:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/08/opinion/obeidallah-white-protestants/index.html?npt=NP1

    Some comic “jokes” about Whites losing their country. Forum is pretty lit up

  186. briton's Gravatar briton
    September 9, 2012 - 1:28 pm | Permalink

    The interesting thing in this whole discussion is how certain commentators and readers of TOO are unable to fathom the fact that once Christianity dies as a cultural motivating force in western society, that Jewish practical “ethics” will assume total hegemony. This is already happening incidentally. Some believe that misguided Christian altruism is responsible for the evils of multiculturalism and ethnic displacement. Of course, this belief forgets that historical Christian altruism hampered not in the least the Spanish Inquisition nor the Church’s battles against Muslim incursions into southeastern Europe. The Church became “soft”, not because of its legitimate context of rational altruism, but simply because it also became a victim of the cultural and moral relativism that ran roughshod over every aspect of late 20th century society.

    Another point. Phase II of the de-Christianization of the West is readily observable on the very nationalist web sites and journals that supposedly are trying to maintain the ethnic and cultural integrity of the West. Now that multiculturalism is a fact in western societies (and impossible to stop unless mass deportations occurred – an unlikely event), it’s become apparent that many Jews now feel comfortable enough to identify with the European nationalist cause. I won’t name specific online journals, but I am amazed at how many Jews are now lending weight to the anti-immigration struggle with their writings. Now that it’s a foregone conclusion that there will never be an anti-Semitic political party in America, I assume that many Jews are starting to realize that they’ve also had enough of certain recent immigrant groups in America and in Europe. In fact, I will wager that Jews will soon begin to assume control of the European nationalist cause in the same way that they gained control of the trade-union cause in America and perverted it to their, at the time, Communist ends.

  187. Axon's Gravatar Axon
    September 9, 2012 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

    @buckle:
    “I have doubts about Dr Macdonald’s so called science because most of us should have enough Aristotle to know that there remains only four material sciences: physics, astronomy, chemistry and the new kid on the block, microbiology. If anyone from these disciplines has something to offer this debate, fine. In their absence, what is on offer here is nothing more than junk science and, as Jones might define it, incomplete just as the four classic disciplines are also incomplete but at least present verifiable evidence.”

    But you are not offering anything from these “sciences” in your comment either – in which case, on what grounds is your dismissal of KMD’s “junk science” valid?

  188. Elizabeth's Gravatar Elizabeth
    September 9, 2012 - 2:17 pm | Permalink

    This morning I woke up thinking about what a world that really believes in evolution should be doing. If we are only failed experiments on our way to becoming something unimaginably different, then the best thing to do would be to populate the earth as quickly and as fully as possible and to give up the illusions of having souls, hearts and minds. We need to mutate as many as possible in the quickest way possible and quit wasting time. No one should be allowed to live beyond 30. No one needs to address how they are progressing because no one knows what progress would look like. Computer models and games could be used as a way to measure changes from the previous generation but they could not measure progress, however, there would actually be no need for such a measurement. Species that are no longer viable should be allowed to die out. People who are not healthy or productive should be terminated immediately. Nothing should be done to prolong life since it all ends for everyone at 30 anyway. Extreme mutants should be propagated with zeal since what looks the least like us may be the direction we are headed. The best way to do this is in large buildings and cages. Infants should immediately be acclimated to this new environment so that no attachments are made to others. No one needs to worry about special food, clothing or shelter since they are all just illusions enjoyed by our non-existent minds. The only reason anyone would actually need to live to 30 is for observational purposes. The machinery would track history for the world based on strictly factual data. No illusions of love or progress need be measured. No judgments should be made about who is better or smarter than anyone else. The smartest worm is no better than the dumbest worm. It is about reproduction and not about anything else. People must be terminated by 30 so that there is maximum space and food available for the next generation of mutants. Emotions are actually detrimental to progress towards this unknown future and should be discouraged in every way; even with termination if necessary. We are a stepping stone and these other things are just an unnecessary waste of time, money and resources. Food should be the same for everyone, every day so that variations in the use of food could be accurately measured according to bodily processing differences. How it tastes or looks is of no value whatsoever. Everyone would be required to work on food production, cleaning cages and maintaining the machines. No one should be allowed to decide how or where progress can be measured or improved. Creature comforts are just a way of interfering with adaptation and should not be condoned. There is no need to pretend that things like love, family, friends, art, music, beauty, entertainment or happiness even exist; those are products of the old paradigm and were just ways of dealing with hardship or personal indulgence. In the new format there will be no hardship, personal indulgence or emotions so theses old ways will not be necessary or even thought of since everyone will have the same things and all their physical needs will be met. I don’t think there is a recognizable end to this process or an end result. Evolution just continues into infinity and if it doesn’t, there will be no one to care either now or then.
    Then I realized that Darwinism was the religion of Communism and the Talmud already made it clear that we are only animals.
    The only real difference between my thoughts this morning and my further understanding is that instead of everyone dying at 30, the Slavemasters will be allowed to run the animal farms and the experiments and records will be for their sole use and purposes.
    I believe in God and I know that he has a purpose and a plan for all of this. I believe that He sent His only Son to die for us and lead us out of this mess we live in here. I can understand why I care about what happens to people.
    I do not have the slightest idea why anyone who really believes in Evolution aka Darwinism should care at all or expect to be treated any better than any other failed life form on the animal farm.
    If any of you “true believers” in Darwinism can give me any idea why you care about yourself or anyone else, I would be interested.

  189. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 9, 2012 - 2:54 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Yea, this is an Arab guy (Ishmael) who runs around with the Jewish guy as a tag team comedy show. And people wonder why I keep saying the “Jews” and Muslims are really in cahoots together against us?

    I remember about 5 years ago I attended a Protestant Church. They are a guest speaker who was making his rounds trying to collect money to have a mission onto the Indians in America. This guy actually said (congregation was 100% WASP) “The time of the white man is over. He cannot make inroads to the Indians so we must use Indians to convert Indians”. I was so pissed off, I got up and walked out. Everyone looked at me as crazy and they even sent a black guy (ex cop and the only non white in their congregation) to talk some “sense into me”. I simply told him that this was a bunch of BS and I was not going to be any part of that nonsense. You people talk about “racism” and then based upon my race you say “my time is over” and we had leadership over to non whites? I don’t think so pal. The pastor of that Church was a nice guy but this story illustrates how clueless so many are in Churches these days- especially in the People’s Republic of Maine USA.

  190. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 9, 2012 - 3:00 pm | Permalink

    @Elizabeth:

    Outstanding post Elizabeth.

  191. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 9, 2012 - 3:47 pm | Permalink

    @Elizabeth:

    Was that supposed to be a kind of Swiftian parody or something?

    “If we are only failed experiments”

    We aren’t failed experiments. Who or what is experimenting on us, and what was the goal? Evolution tells us that humans are the most complex life forms in the universe that we know of.

    “on our way to becoming something unimaginably different”

    If we actually put eugenics into practice we can easily imagine ourselves becoming smarter, taller, more beautiful, and more God-like. Who wouldn’t want that?

    “No one needs to address how they are progressing because no one knows what progress would look like.”

    Progress looks like starting out as cavemen and travelling to the moon.

    “Species that are no longer viable should be allowed to die out.”

    It’s not about allowing or not allowing something; species that can’t compete DO die out. That’s nature’s law.

    “People who are not healthy or productive should be terminated immediately.”

    What’s the point of terminating someone who can’t reproduce? They wouldn’t have any effect on future generations anyway. As for unhealthy people, in a eugenic society, they wouldn’t exist, as geneticists would be able to stamp out genetic diseases before they’re born.

    “Nothing should be done to prolong life since it all ends for everyone at 30 anyway.”

    Why would life have to end at 30, exactly?

    “Extreme mutants should be propagated with zeal since what looks the least like us may be the direction we are headed. ”

    Huh? Mutations can be either be beneficial or harmful. A “mutant’ who is taller, stronger, a better-looking than the majority would be desirable, no? A “mutant” who is deformed and unintelligent would be harmful, and should not (and probably would not) procreate with anyone.

    “The best way to do this is in large buildings and cages. Infants should immediately be acclimated to this new environment so that no attachments are made to others. No one needs to worry about special food, clothing or shelter since they are all just illusions enjoyed by our non-existent minds.”

    ???

    “No illusions of love or progress need be measured.”

    What makes you think love is an illusion?

    “No judgments should be made about who is better or smarter than anyone else. The smartest worm is no better than the dumbest worm. ”

    It’s precisely Darwinian evolution that tells us which species and groups are successful and which aren’t. Darwinian evolution tells us the European and East Asian races are smarter than the African and Mestizo races.

    “People must be terminated by 30 so that there is maximum space and food available for the next generation of mutants. ”

    You’re assuming that there will be food and space shortages. There may not be, if we actually make it off the planet

    “We are a stepping stone ”

    No, we’re people with our own lives and motivations. A stepping stone comes between two fixed points. Since evolution says there are no fixed points, then you can’t say we’re merely stepping stones.

    ” Food should be the same for everyone, every day so that variations in the use of food could be accurately measured according to bodily processing differences. How it tastes or looks is of no value whatsoever. Everyone would be required to work on food production, cleaning cages and maintaining the machines. No one should be allowed to decide how or where progress can be measured or improved. Creature comforts are just a way of interfering with adaptation and should not be condoned.”

    You’re interpreting evolution only the way a communist or nihilist would: in an incorrect way. A way that favors a loss of identity and motivation, a way that favors totalitarianism and ultimate universal pragmatism. Evolution, in fact, favors the exact opposite: self-improvement and a vision for a better future.

    “There is no need to pretend that things like love, family, friends, art, music, beauty, entertainment or happiness even exist; those are products of the old paradigm and were just ways of dealing with hardship or personal indulgence. ”

    Did it ever occur to you that things like art and love might be necessary from an evolutionary perspective?

    “Then I realized that Darwinism was the religion of Communism”

    No, stupidity was and is the religion of communism. Communists and leftards all reject biological and evolutionary differences between races in spite of facts and reality.

    “and the Talmud already made it clear that we are only animals.”

    The Talmud is an ancient hebrew document. Why bother yourself with it?

    “I do not have the slightest idea why anyone who really believes in Evolution aka Darwinism should care at all or expect to be treated any better than any other failed life form on the animal farm.
    If any of you “true believers” in Darwinism can give me any idea why you care about yourself or anyone else, I would be interested.”

    Because science and evolution tell us that we’re members of one of the greatest races of the human species, that there’s a definite hierarchy to nature, and that if we don’t fight for our racial interests we’ll be conquered by those who do.

    Evolution doesn’t tell us life is meaningless. Evolution does not place value on anything, but neither does it take value away from anything. Humans are the ones who value; we are the ones that either place value on something or take it away.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 6:06 pm | Permalink

      @fender: “Humans are the ones who value; we are the ones that either place value on something or take it away”
      Beautifully said.

      And there is the crunch, as to how we relate to each other.
      The put down, condescending, discouraging remarks.
      I have seen these demoralize people, time and time again.
      Especially in government/academic departments.
      The more intellectual/savvy/highly pedigreed blah- the more effective the shame blame humiliate game players engage.

      Being a Christian is not about being good and righteous and ‘proper’ (whatever that is?!)
      As TyronRobertParsons has demonstrated: the Christian walk is both tough and lonely, and I for one, respect TRP’s authenticity and tenacity.
      No one has to agree with him on all points, or any points. But I have read the put downs in this forum, and wonder why worry about other races, when you are doing such a good job yourselves at de-valuing each other.

      So there it is. Someone earlier mentioned the elephant in the room, so it is good to publicly acknowledge it and start dealing with it.
      Great conversation fender and Elizabeth et al.
      Peace

  192. September 9, 2012 - 4:06 pm | Permalink

    I am sooo impressed that Professor Darkmoon feels shame over masturbation. She clearly is saving/saved herself for marriage.

  193. September 9, 2012 - 4:19 pm | Permalink

    The moral code is indeed inscribed in our genes. I have disassembled enough of other people’s machine language to see what that so called junk DNA is. It encodes brain structure. Moses killed all of the Jews who didn’t follow the 10 Commandments, at least with respect to other Jews. Over 80 generations, they became part of Jew DNA. I have seen this behavior in different breeds of dogs. That “junk” DNA is what gives Negroes their dancing and rhythm ability. It explains the compound interest gene in Jews as well.

  194. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    September 9, 2012 - 4:21 pm | Permalink

    @mari: Mari, I couldn’t agree more with your admonition to people on forums like this about “white people”, and who they are. Yes, some of these folks definetly need a trip to Europe. I would fall into their exclusively white class, but I have relatives from some partsof Europe, with brown eyes, black hair, and who by no ones definition certainly in Europe, would be considered non-white. The points some of these folks make, have no basis either in anthropology or biology.

  195. September 9, 2012 - 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Professor Darkmoon is on the right track but she doesn’t come right out and say it. The Jew is an esquisitely evolved parasite that can only survive on a suitable host. It will die on its own. The lower races cannot serve as a host for Jews because they can only support a tiny number of them. Only the White and Yellow races can support any significant number of them. The Yellow race seems to be immune to parasitization by Jews. Expulsion of the Jews from a country is the mechanism which allows them to spread and infect their next host. Jews have never evolved to co-exist with their hosts like most parasites. They must destroy their hosts in order to spread.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 5:37 pm | Permalink

      @Donald E. Pauly
      “The Jew is an esquisitely evolved parasite that can only survive on a suitable host. It will die on its own. The lower races cannot serve as a host for Jews because they can only support a tiny number of them. Only the White and Yellow races can support any significant number of them. The Yellow race seems to be immune to parasitization by Jews. Expulsion of the Jews from a country is the mechanism which allows them to spread and infect their next host. Jews have never evolved to co-exist with their hosts like most parasites. They must destroy their hosts in order to spread.”

      Australia once had a Prime Minister who said about illegal boat people arriving at these shores, or dying en route: “We will decide who comes to this country”

      I still struggle with people, when I ask them about the Federal Reserve Bank: they think, as I did until last year, that it is tied to the Australian government for the good of all Australians.
      Ask them about UN and they mostly go huh?

      We are, as a nation, so dumbed down and kept in the dark, I see tragedy happening here also, for all the reasons people in UK and US are speaking on this, and other forums.
      Gordon Duff has posted an excellent diatribe on Veterans Today, Sunday 9 September. He says it as it is.

      Expulsion by the yellow race? My understanding is that Rothschild and his money/banks are booming there, and I fear that the elite of the world will just join up against the rest, money being the glue, and the best places in Paradise are exclusively theirs. That seems to me how their Plan is unfolding.
      I was horrified when UN stepped in on our Great Barrier Reef issues.
      But I am bonkers, according to most.

  196. September 9, 2012 - 4:41 pm | Permalink

    While I greatly admire my fellow Atheist Richard Dawkins, he has his limitations. Skeptic that he is about most subjects, he believes in the holocau$t. He also rejects the validity of anti-Semitism. My guess is that this proves that he is in the pay of the Jews.

  197. September 9, 2012 - 4:53 pm | Permalink

    About 10 years ago, I wrote Professor MacDonald and told him that he should study the Mormons as a race. He didn’t listen to me. They have had eight generations of inbreeding with selective admixture of the White gene pool. Anyone who has lived in Utah like I have understands that.

    The American Indian has also had eight generations of inbreeding at the hand of the Bureau of Indian Affairs. They are living proof of the dysgenic effect of welfare. Anyone who has lived outside of an Indian reservation for five years like I did in Arizona understands that. The cannot be assimilated in White society.

    Riddle:
    Q:What do you call a White man surrounded by 50 Indians?
    A:Bartender.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 5:23 pm | Permalink

      The dynamics you describe also fit the Australian Aboriginal experience at the hands of white settlers. I can’t even begin to speak on this, without getting upset with whites for their gross misunderstandings and mis-managements and outright cruelties to these people.
      About Mormons, I read Jon Krakauer’s Under the Banner of Heaven, and one of the lines that really stuck in my conscience, was the extent to which Mormon’s religious beliefs, are truly vexatious to the Legal system.
      This, plus the alarming growth rate of this cult (would that have something to do with polygamy and underage sex) left me with deep concerns for the future of America.
      Australia is another story altogether, and the strong winds of change are a blowing here also.

  198. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    September 9, 2012 - 5:04 pm | Permalink

    @Donald E. Pauly: Unfortunately I saw this addiction to booze first hand. I also had it told to me by an Indian buddy of mine, a great guy who is as honest and self-effacing as anyone I’ve ever met. There is nothing that will ruin a persons spirit and potential, faster than being part of some leftist government “program”.

  199. September 9, 2012 - 5:19 pm | Permalink

    @Heather Blue: I reject that. They free tickets back home to Israel and a high wall to keep them from escaping from Paradise.

  200. September 9, 2012 - 5:21 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Will crows and eagles steal from each other? I know that pigeons will do so.

  201. September 9, 2012 - 5:32 pm | Permalink

    @Chonodomarius: I do know that masturbation makes your eyes go bad. I am not prepared to give my proof, which is left to the student as an exercise.

    It is not generally known, but all 12 Inca were the product of brother sister marriages. The most successful of the sons was chosen as the next Inca. His best sister was chosen for his wife. Inbreeding concentrates both good and bad genes. By discarding the bad you can make rapid improvements in a race. Animal breeders have known this for millenia. Small pox killed the next to last Inca and he did not properly complete the selection process. Otherwise these posts would be in Quecha.

    Most of the Pharaohs were also the result of brother sister marriages. This gives 100% DNA in common with all generations. This ensures worthy successors. As Professor MacDonald has pointed out, the Jews have practiced first cousin and uncle/niece marriages for the last 5,772 years. This does essentially the same thing.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

      @Donald E. Pauly: interesting discussion on genes.

      Who judges/defines the good and bad genes?
      Therein lies the age-old arguments/conflicts/treacheries in families. LoL

  202. September 9, 2012 - 5:35 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: Guess what race sold them all of the firewater and alcohol. Clue, they were G-d’s Chosen.

  203. September 9, 2012 - 5:39 pm | Permalink

    @Richard: Mother/son and father/daughter are nowhere as serious as brother/sister matings. The former two groups share only 50% DNA. Brother/sister share 100%.

  204. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 9, 2012 - 5:54 pm | Permalink

    @Donald E. Pauly:

    “Guess what race sold them all of the firewater and alcohol. Clue, they were G-d’s Chosen.”

    It’s not the jews’ fault that indians lack self control. People who have vices will be dominated and defeated by those who know how to take advantage of those vices. The jews did the same to the polish, russian, and ukrainian peasants. But it’s not the jews’ fault that Slavs have a weakness for alcohol.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 6:20 pm | Permalink

      @fender:
      In Eleanor Dark’s Timeless Land, we also read of the initial effects of alcohol and small pox on the native Australians. It is a harrowing acount. Also, the opium brought to China by the English, to America and the rest of the world.

      Human predators know how to manipulate their prey.

      Funnily enough, that really struck me in University Psychology: manipulating variables, when already I had cottoned-on to manipulating people.

      I had worked out that if I did not have any needs, I could not be manipulated.

      It is not the Jews’ fault per se, but what they DO know, as any reasonably mature and educated person knows, is human frailty/insecurity/vulnerability.

      With their iron clad rules for their own Chosen Family, they successfuly expoit it in others wherever they go. And they have succeeded, because in my time, ‘breakdown of family’ is almost complete amongst so-called whites whose civilization has been largely founded on at least the wisdom of the ten Commandments, much as it has eschewed/distorted the rest of the teachings.

      As a post-script, I would add that there is enough evidence within Jewish families to suggest neuroses and psychoses and suicides and murders into which they themselves do not have insight, adhering to that handbook of psychiatric illness known as the DSM on the one hand, and the Talmud on the other, Jews slip through the cracks just like the rest of us.

  205. Chonodomarius's Gravatar Chonodomarius
    September 9, 2012 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    @ Donald E. Pauly That’s right. Abraham& Sarah: brother and sister Issac & Rebekka: first cousins Jacob, Rachel & Leah:first cousins Moses: product of an Aunt-Nephew union. It would be difficult to find something as genetically isolated as an Eastern European shetl, yet notice how Ashkenazis are always calling white Southerners ” inbred” ? Myths about cousin marriages were started in the U.S. as an attempt to amalgamate the Ellis Islanders.

  206. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 9, 2012 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    @John hearns:

    Yes, check out this one active now and see the all the great posts:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/08/opinion/obeidallah-white-protestants/index.html?npt=NP1

    Some comic “jokes” about Whites losing their country. Forum is pretty lit up

    I did. I find it interesting that the anti-whites seem to have their hands full. They can be so irritating with their usual tired b.s. slander tactics.
    But, don’t let them bother you and keep to the facts.
    I think this is having an effect.

  207. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    September 9, 2012 - 9:34 pm | Permalink

    @Donald E. Pauly:

    Hi Donald

    Thanks for letting me know.

    When I wrote my comment, I wasn’t really thinking in terms of DNA (which is important), but rather how those kinds of relationships might affect the mental (and maybe spiritual) health of the people involved and the community around them.

    I think both aspects are important.

    And, as usual, I want to mention that I don’t really know much about this subject.

    This is a great site with a lot of intelligent people.

  208. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 9, 2012 - 10:01 pm | Permalink

    @Elizabeth:

    Thank you sweetheart. I don’t need to mention who the real credit goes too. I would really like to find a way to open a private dialogue with both you and Anita. How do we do that if you are agreeable?

  209. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 9, 2012 - 10:29 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    You said

    It’s not the jews’ fault that indians lack self control. People who have vices will be dominated and defeated by those who know how to take advantage of those vices

    Answer:

    While this may be true, you just illustrated the deep divide between a Christian white and a atheistic white. A true Christian would never take advantage of their weakness. We do not see things are I must win at your expense. That is a Jewish programming trait and not becoming of any Nobleman, Gentile, conscience driven white man. We are better than that but yet ultimately; this is what that belief system promotes by way of logical outcome. So, are we to be like our enemies and take on their traits? or should be set the standard for all peoples to emulate? Remember, the “Jew” trick is always to make you like him so in this way you lose your defense against his evil because they will always come back with “hypocrite, you can do it but why can’t?”

  210. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 9, 2012 - 10:32 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:

    Corrections(I am getting tired)

    *“hypocrite, you can do it but we can’t?”

    *We do not see things as I must win at your expense. That is a “Jewish” trait.

  211. September 9, 2012 - 11:32 pm | Permalink

    @tombarnes: Just as I expected, at the 160 IQ level the Jews have the advantage. Your data show how that they pulled it off. They gradually wormed their way in and bribed all of the remaining smart Whites.

  212. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 9, 2012 - 11:32 pm | Permalink

    As Paul spoke onto the Greeks in their termonology, please see this sign off tonight in the same spirit..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Ncxw1xfck

    Sun is shinin’ in the sky
    There ain’t a cloud in sight
    It’s stopped rainin’ ev’rybody’s in a play
    And don’t you know
    It’s a beautiful new day hey,hey

    Runnin’ down the avenue
    See how the sun shines brightly in the city
    On the streets where once was pity
    Mister blue sky is living here today hey, hey

    Mister blue sky please tell us why
    You had to hide away for so long
    Where did we go wrong?

    Hey you with the pretty face
    Welcome to the human race
    A celebration, mister blue sky’s up there waitin’
    And today is the day we’ve waited for

    Hey there mister blue
    We’re so pleased to be with you
    Look around see what you do
    Ev’rybody smiles at you

    Mister blue sky, mister blue sky
    Mister blue sky

    Mister blue, you did it right
    But soon comes mister night creepin’ over
    Now his hand is on your shoulder
    Never mind I’ll remember you this
    I’ll remember you this way

    Mister blue sky please tell us why
    You had to hide away for so long
    Where did we go wrong?

    Hey there mister blue
    We’re so pleased to be with you
    Look around see what you do
    Ev’rybody smiles at you
    Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
    Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba

    See ya tomorrow my beautiful people…

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 10, 2012 - 12:06 am | Permalink

      TyronRobertParsons: I see that it is close to midnight where you are. Great to finish with a song in your heart.
      I have not watched the video, as these take up too much of my pre-paid broadband.

      Jason Speaks finished his post with the hope for whites to be ‘re habilitated’, with which I whole heartedly agree.

      We have all we need, and then some.

      From the French, re learning how to Live.

      And from a catholic educator of the highest order, Richard Rohr:
      If/when we do not transform our wounds, we transmit them’.

      This explains how the Rothschild-Zionists (originally the dispossessed & poor) have managed to create, or should I say, dispossess, millions if not billions, from their inherited corners of the Vineyard.
      It was the dispossessed wandering Jews, doing what they do best, now doin’ the displacing.

      I even feel sick, thinking of rot schild as the Red Shield of the respected Salvation Army.

      Just as I regard as smug, the ‘charity’ meted out by the royal families, so also, that Rothschilds loaned the money to Booth, founder of Salvation Army.

      TRP, I have said before that I was reading the OO long before I posted.
      And the conversations I most enjoyed, were between you and Noble Lord.
      More later. Good night and may God send you beautiful dreams and visions of the night.

  213. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    September 9, 2012 - 11:36 pm | Permalink

    That “junk” DNA is what gives Negroes their dancing and rhythm ability.

    De’s got plenty of junkee in the trunkee.

    http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/1008/junk-in-the-trunk-aug-assignment-damn-demotivational-poster-1282188035.jpg

  214. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 9, 2012 - 11:44 pm | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:

    Yes, saying “the time of the White man is over” is pretty much a celebration of genocide. It is amazing that we are all so awash in that Anti-White propaganda, that we don’t realize the open call for the end of White children

    Imagine if someone said “the time of the black man is over”. Blacks would react IMMEDIATELY with great personal venom. We have had all our natural instincts beaten out of us as children, before we could respond (TV, schools, etc).

    But, I know Whites can be ‘rehabilitated”, so to speak.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 9, 2012 - 11:49 pm | Permalink

      Very well said @Jason Speaks.
      And for those of us who were fortunate enough not to be physically beaten, there was humiliation, shame and blame (‘what will the neighbours think? say? do? blah)

      That cringing guilt complex I now see as the ‘cancer’ of society, and that becomes a whole subject in itself, for another place and time.

  215. Ken Freeland's Gravatar Ken Freeland
    September 10, 2012 - 12:49 am | Permalink

    @anita
    “The uprooted, uproot.” -Simone Weil

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 10, 2012 - 1:01 am | Permalink

      @Ken Freeland: there is that perfect ‘Garden’ metaphor again.
      Thank you, and also for your previous post, wherein you described me as ‘intrepid’: apposite at many levels.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 10, 2012 - 1:33 am | Permalink

      the pseudonym Ken Freeland is reminiscent of the Edith Wharton character Newland Archer.
      How that fits in to my story is a whole other chapter.

      Gravity and Grace by Simone Weil…I must read it.
      Dutch Grit/Italian Grace has been a descriptor applied by the man who became my spiritual director, when family of origin, the man I married, the family I had with him, acadaemia, the govt ‘sick’ department aka Health, the church, left me to sink without trace.

      I slipped thru all the cracks, and Fell into God.

      These days I live like a Benedictine (good word) nun, without the convent and the community.
      Amazingly, I was married in a Benedictine monastery in a place called Arcadia, and a few years ago I travelled to New York City, where, amongst other things (!) I searched for-and found- an Etruscan artefact, pursuant to a Dream I had in 1999, when I had never heard of the Etruscans.
      I hit the research trail…..and here I am!
      Oh, and Simone Weil was born in France around the same time as my grandmother, the one I never met.
      Another story, but at the time, the Saxon part of my ancestry was still very much influenced by the French, and as a Dutch child, I grew up with numerous French words for every day items, such a dressoir, bureau, cadeau, paraplui and even in simple farmhouses, the most exquisite porcelaines…
      to see as God sees, to love as God loves
      that is the Journey.
      TY again Ken, for the recognition you may have unwittingly given me.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 10, 2012 - 1:42 am | Permalink

      another post script: I first learned of the word ‘metaxu’ through the works of James Hillman

      and here is a ‘thought’ that has truly exercised my brain and my heart and my will:
      ‘God comforts the afflicted
      and God afflicts the comfortable.’

  216. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    September 10, 2012 - 2:06 am | Permalink

    THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT
    http://jdstone.org/cr/files/thesermononthemount.html

    Edited by John Stone

    In the New Testament, the unknown author of Matthew, in chapters 5-7, has Jesus ― god incarnate ― showcasing his “wisdom” in the famous “Sermon on the Mount.” How original was Jesus’ so-called wisdom? Was this something “new” that Jesus was bringing to the people? Or was Jesus just reciting long established Jewish teachings?

    The “Original Passage” from the Hebrew bible or Talmud is listed first in bold, followed by Matthew’s plagiarism in italic text.

  217. Starets's Gravatar Starets
    September 10, 2012 - 2:43 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    I wonder how many abortion doctors are jewish?

    In Canada, Henry Morgentaler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgentaler) was instrumental in getting abortion legalized. He was also an illegal abortionist before it was legal.

    It does seem like a lot of abortionists are jewish, but unfortunately there are some whites who are complicit as well.

  218. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    September 10, 2012 - 4:54 am | Permalink

    Re “metaxu”

    Plotinus put it best in Book 3 of the Enneads. To translate freely:

    Mankind, forsooth, is poised midway between the gods and the animal creation, now veering one way and now the other. Some men rise to the divine state, others sink to the bestial level, but most men stand somewhere in between.

    (Lasha Darkmoon)

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 14, 2012 - 11:16 pm | Permalink

      @Xanadu: I am sorry it has taken me so long to properly reply to you. It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance here.

      I have found my copy of James Hillman: “The Soul’s Code-in Search of Character and Calling”, wherein I first learned of that word/concept ‘metaxu’.
      This resonated so deeply; more deeply than I can say, here and now.
      And in almost 20 years since I first read this book, I have not heard ‘metaxu’ from one other,
      until this ‘encounter’ on The Occidental Observer.

      It has long seemed to me that most are not interested in developing either soul or character.

      Not just the religious institutions failing humanity; education systems are equally culpable.

      Hillman writes: “A daimon in the ancient world was a figure from somewhere else, neither human nor divine, something in between the two belonging to a ‘middle region’ (metaxu) to which the soul also belonged. The daimon was more an intimate psychic reality than a god; it was a figure who might visit in a dream or send signals as an omen, a hunch, or an erotic urge. Eros, too, belonged in this middle region that was not truly divine and yet always partly inhuman. So for the Greeks it was clear why erotic events are always hard to locate, heavenly and cruelly inhuman both”.

      Eros and Thanatos, Daimons, Dreams, Sex, Hunches….are all parts of humanity, US, each and every one, here and now, not just the back in the ancient world, or lofty intellectual towers, er, theories.

  219. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    September 10, 2012 - 6:24 am | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.:
    Your critical remarks are much appreciated and the link you provide clearly shows the plagiarism by Matthew from the O.T.
    However I doubt the parallel quotes from the Talmud make much sense also.

    The Talmud is a combination of the Mishna ( redacted ca. 200 AD ) and the Gemara ( compiled from ca. 500 AD onward ) and thus can chronologically never be the inspiration for the relevant passages in Matthew. It is of course theoretically possible that these passages are inspired by an oral tradition at the time, but nothing definite can be said about that.
    Nevertheless the similarity of the Talmud quotes and the passages in Matthew are so striking that we must accept the possibility of plagiarism : by the Talmud from Matthew, that is.

    Christianity started as a dissident eschatological sect of Judaism. Besides some pagan elements accepted from its Hellenistic environment, it consists mainly of Jewish ideas, partly rejected, partly accepted, and partly transformed. It can thus rightly be called a “Judaic” religion. But we must also consider the possibility that Judaism itself was influenced by Christianity once this dissident Jewish sect had attained majority status.

    It goes without saying that in the real world of ethnic competition, the ethics of the sermon on the mount are nothing less than suicidal.
    There is no way the morals of “love your enemy” can give you victory in any kind of battle.

    I

  220. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    September 10, 2012 - 7:52 am | Permalink

    An arch Zionist speaks of the daunting task facing Israel…with some unintended parallels and inspiration for WN.

    Excerpt:
    “Delegitimizing the Palestinian narrative will be a daunting task, but the difficulty should not be overstated. We should take heart from the accomplishments of the TSS-advocates themselves. Imagine how hopeless the situation of any pro-TSS Palestinian activist must have seemed in the late 1960s and early 1970s in the wake of Israel’s dramatic Six Day War victory.

    Faced with the perception of invincible Israeli military might on the one hand, and resolute US rejection on the other, any realistic pundit could well have been excused for considering the TSS dead in the water.

    Will and wherewithal

    By way of illustration, the 1980 Republican platform that brought Ronald Reagan to the White House stated: “We believe the establishment of a Palestinian state on the West Bank would be destabilizing and harmful to the peace process.” Moreover, in Israel, up until the late 1980s, successive opinion polls found that 80 percent or more of the electorate opposed any significant territorial withdrawal in Judea/Samaria.

    Yet despite the bleak prospects, TSS-advocates did not despair. With commendable resolve and resourcefulness they managed, against all odds, to convert the status of their highly improbable political paradigm from marginal to mainstream – eventually even monopolistic. For almost a quarter of a century, it has dominated and dictated the discourse as the preferred mode of ending the Mideast conflict.

    This, then, is the example that must be emulated – in reverse. The opponents of the TSS need to marshal the will and the wherewithal to achieve what the proponents of TSS did: dislodge a dominant paradigm and replace it with their own”

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=284173

  221. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    September 10, 2012 - 7:53 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    TSS = Two State Solution

  222. omop's Gravatar omop
    September 10, 2012 - 8:54 am | Permalink
  223. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    September 10, 2012 - 11:34 am | Permalink

    Anita says, “please stick to facts.” The primary fact to be stuck to is that she made several jejune comments about monarchy. When she was called on them—and not by me alone—she began whining like a seven-year-old.

    If she is an exemplar of what Australia’s once gritty and hyperattractive women have sunk to, despair is the only reasonable response.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 10, 2012 - 4:24 pm | Permalink

      how is exhorting ‘Despair’ on the basis of one commentator on TOO helpful to the general discussion Pierre?

      Once again, you are illustrating your own true self.
      Did you notice how the commentator who agreed with you on the issue of royals, made a point of refraining from commenting on the personal angle?

      There is a word for people who do not learn.
      Perhaps you might learn something new here.
      We will see.

  224. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    September 10, 2012 - 11:59 am | Permalink

    Could people try to use the ‘reply’ feature properly so we get a hyperlink clue as to what is being talked about

  225. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    September 10, 2012 - 1:09 pm | Permalink

    re White masochism- please read the following on ENVY and the evil eye by Dr. Jack Wheeler:

    http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/20/231252.shtml

  226. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    September 10, 2012 - 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Wheeler’s article is The Secret to the Suicidal Liberal Mind

  227. Eumaeus's Gravatar Eumaeus
    September 10, 2012 - 1:21 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    modern Greeks are Turkic mongrels? Lets see Mr “Fenders” DNA test.

    As for mongrels, you count all the heads in the territory, and a lot lower proportion of the overall population of greece are non-European “mongrels” than the US with its millions of blacks, asians, and Indian-indigenous and mestizo types.

    Greece then has a more homogenously “white” population as a whole than the United States, as a whole.

    Germany today has a pretty large portion of Turkish gastarbeiters and their mongrels. At least the Greece did not invite the Turks in to stay for generations.

    Kind of a nonsequitor to this article, but I didnt want to let the slander pass.

  228. Elizabeth's Gravatar Elizabeth
    September 10, 2012 - 4:41 pm | Permalink
  229. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 10, 2012 - 6:24 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    You slandering piece of trash! (my comments and example are in brackets)

    This is what he calls “suicidal”

    2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

    3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    (if the Jew has injured or killed your spirit, God will bless you and give you heaven)

    4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

    (if the Jew has caused you mourning by murdering your loved ones, God will confort you)

    5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

    (If one is kind, caring, loving even in the face of evil- they shall inherit the earth)

    6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

    (If one seeks the truth and right ways and living- they will find it)

    7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

    (If one gives mercy to others deservingly or not, they too will obtain in the same measure that from God)

    8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

    (the completly innocent as in not a lawbreaker in deed or spirit- they will see God)

    9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    (if one promotes peace between follow whites that have disputes, God will you call you his child)

    10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    (If the Jews persecutes you because you are right, you will obtain and enter into God’s kingdom)

    11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

    12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

    ( if you stick up for Jesus in his battle against the fake Jews- you will have one huge reward in Heaven and God will be proud of you for doing so)

    I said on the other thread that it is my belief that Franklin is a “Jew” and I still hold this belief.

  230. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    September 11, 2012 - 12:20 am | Permalink

    @TyronRobertParsons:

    I said on the other thread that it is my belief that Franklin is a “Jew” and I still hold this belief.

    What your belief “system” is we already know by now. Besides such ridiculous ideas that the earth is hollow, is only 15,000 years old and that there is a genetic proof that “Eve” was created from the rib of “Adam”, it also includes the accusation of anyone who doesn’t share your delusions of either being a “Jew” or of “working for the Jews”. Your latest exploit in this respect was accusing Ted Pike of “working for the Jews”.

    The curious thing is that you firmly believe that you yourself are a Jew – a “true” Jew that is. Your entire world view is Jew-centred : Europeans are Jews, all mysteries of life can be explained by that Jewish fairytale book the Bible, and the future of European peoples is also Jewish : a return to their “land of origin” in the Middle East from where they will for ever “rule the world” ( a typical Jewish supremacist idea if there ever was one! ) .

    This means that your mind operates entirely within what Santomauro calls “the Jewish box”. Your only concern is who fits in that little box and who not.
    I am proud not to fit in that narrow box, whether you will call me therefore a “Jew” or not.

    As for me saying that Christian ethics are “suicidal”, I am not alone in that respect. You meet that kind of criticism often on WN forums.
    Christian ethics extol the weak, the poor, the distressed, even the persecuted ( see the sermon on the mount ). In the struggle with enemies it exhorts its followers to “not resist evil”, to “turn the other cheek” even to “love your enemies”. If that is not suicidal then what is.

  231. Ken Freeland's Gravatar Ken Freeland
    September 11, 2012 - 12:54 am | Permalink

    Yes, of course Christian nonviolence seems suicidal, from a purely materialistic perspective. Look what happened to the first guy who “hung” with it. But of course, we have to keep in mind that he was willing to put his life on the line…he had preached not to fear those who can only harm the body but not the soul, and he practiced it to the end…I wonder how that kind of value system compares to one which dehumanizes its opponents and makes them so much less of value in type until perchance it becomes necessary to arm oneself against them and indeed be ready to kill them if need be?
    Of the three original participants in this dialogue, only EMJ,, as I recall, held that Jews are qualitatively equal to non-Jews. It is not their genetic makeup per se, but their inculcated value system, their ethnos, that pulls them in the wrong direction. They mistake evil for good (I think Jesus said that first). That’s an old Platonic explanation for evil: error. However, it is the one which, understood Christianly, requires us to maintain a respect for the sinner’s human dignity even while we hate the sin. He or she remains created in the image and likeness of God, same as the rest of us, and so, it is to this, and not to their outward moral behavior, that we must ultimately respond when they do (as they are wont) ill to others — not accept it, not condone it, just not resist it with evil of our own — not respond, for example, to perfervid tribalism with our own tribalism, the very evil of which they are guilty, but instead with the universalism which we fully expect them to one day accept. I don’t expect this will be a very popular idea on this website, but it needed to be clarified.

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 11, 2012 - 2:07 am | Permalink

      @Ken Freeland: “He or she remains created in the image and likeness of God, same as the rest of us, and so, it is to this, and not to their outward moral behavior, that we must ultimately respond when they do (as they are wont) ill to others — not accept it, not condone it, just not resist it with evil of our own — not respond, for example, to perfervid tribalism with our own tribalism, the very evil of which they are guilty, but instead with the universalism which we fully expect them to one day accept. I don’t expect this will be a very popular idea on this website, but it needed to be clarified.”

      Beautifully elucidated and hopefully clear to those who would prefer TOO be be cleansed of us ‘fools’, while others are respectfully debating and argy barging on issues, not de-valuing the person.
      Popular does not matter one iota.
      Dignity does. Thank you Ken.

  232. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 11, 2012 - 1:34 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Notice that Franlkin, who I believe is a Jew working here to divide people, DOES NOT address the issue above which was his statement that the Mount of Olives speech by Jesus was suicidal. Instead he tries to attack my belief system by misrepresenting it, THE EXACT MO of the “Jews”.

    You said:

    What your belief “system” is we already know by now

    Answer

    Got another mouse in your pocket? Besides, you already blatantly LIED on the other threat and are now doing it here saying I believed “we are the Jews”- something I have NEVER said even ONCE.

    On the “Death to Modernity Thread” if ANYONE cares to verify my statements of fact, I already addressed this LIE of Franklin’s and now he is pulling the same crap here.

    Here is exactly what I said:

    “That is a LIE and you know it!
    I have never said ONCE that “we are the Jews”. I said the so called Jews are NOT Judah. They are separate peoples and identities. I have explained more times than I can count that the term used today as “Jew” was translated 2000 years ago to mean those who had citizenship in Judea- much like an British citizen can be black but he is not an ENGLISHMAN! One denotes race, the other a citizenship status and any MORON could verify this by looking in the old Greek NT manuscripits themself! Another mistranslation of the WHITE MANS scriptures is when the “Jews” have brainwashed people into thinking the term gentile means any non Jews, when it actually meant ETHNOS/NATIONS or the ethnic nations refering to the northern tribes in the NT.”

    You said:

    ideas that the earth is hollow

    Answer

    Again, I have explained that according to the unified theory, if the earth is solid than so are all planets and moons in the universe.No one has EVER proved the earth was solid. People believe it is because this is a theory espoused since around the 1700 based on faulty tests- NEVER confirmed. Hence, if like MANY scientists at NASA now think the Moon is hollow, it would follow that the earth is hollow and so are all planets and moons.

    You said:

    the earth is only 15,000 years

    Answer

    You’re damn right that is what I think but I cannot prove that-unlike you who demand, OUTSIDE OF ALL SCIENCE, that it is millions and millions of years old-something YOU can’t prove by science yet you LIE and call it fact

    You said

    genetic proof that “Eve” was created from the rib of “Adam”,

    Answer

    Another LIE. What I have said is that science has proven we all come from one family and since all things, including humans, have a beginning, the biblical account of eve being genetically engineered from Adam’s rib is plausable since the rib does grow back if removed correctly- it also being the BEST PLACE ON THE ENTIRE HUMAN BODY to extract DNA.

    You said

    it also includes the accusation of anyone who doesn’t share your delusions of either being a “Jew” or of “working for the Jews”

    Answer

    Another bold face LIE. I have only accused YOU of being a Jew. Most people don’t work for the “Jews” here but if whites here think the “Jews” don’t have plants and disinfo agents in our forms, they are probably as delusional as you are.

    You said

    Your latest exploit in this respect was accusing Ted Pike of “working for the Jews”.

    Answer

    Another LIE. I said I DID NOT KNOW if he was simply uneducated about the facts conserning real Israel/Judah and the “Jews” or if he was a false front, but as ANYONE can see, he has attacked WN’s as well as David Duke and Kevin McDonald, as “racists” and “supremists” to which I sent him a letter defending WN’s/DD and KMacD telling him that his charges were slander on his part and to please stop because he was not helping. And now what do you do? Lie about me by way of misrepresenting me because whether or not Pike is “working for the jews” or not, YOU SURE HAS HELL HAVE THE SAME EFFECT AS HIM WHICH IS DIVIDING WHITE PEOPLE (WN’s from White Christians) so we cannot organize to defend ourselves properly. You sure has hell have ALOT in common with Pike now that I think about it. You run around and play the divide and conqure game from a evolutionary angle attacking white Christians while Pike runs around attacking Evolutionist whites from a “Christian” angle. Both of you are ACCOMPLISHING the same thing to our racial and national DEMISE.

    You said

    I said Christian ethics are “suicidal

    Answer

    How ANYONE can listen to ANY of your crap is beyond me. You are a JOKE Franklin and here is YET MORE proof…

    Here is what you said above to which you are now trying to DUCK and RUN from. I encourage EVERYONE to simply look above to his previous post to verify that what I am saying is true.

    “It goes without saying that in the real world of ethnic competition, the ethics of the sermon on the mount are nothing less than suicidal.”

    Anyone who thinks Christianity is suicidal would have to answer 5 things.

    If Christianity is suicidal

    1.How is it that under Christianity the population of whites grew to be MASSIVE like never before in our history?

    If Christianity is suicidal

    2.How is it that under Christianity whites had complete world dominion over the globe for 2000 years?

    If Christianity is suicidal

    3.How is that whites under Christianity had more proseperity than at any time in our entire history?

    If Christianity is suicidal

    4.How is it that under Christianity Whites spread to the 4 corners of the Globe being EXPANSIVE securing our mutual dominion?

    If Christianity is suicidal

    5. How is that under Christianity white nations BOOTED THE “Jews” from our lands 109 times in the last 2000 years, this while athiestic dominated white nations of late have done nothing but preside over our racial-national demise?

    Keep listening to Franklin if you want people but one cannot deny his method of operation an EXACT copy the JEWS so if you do, don’t expect ANY sympathy from me when he leads you off a cliff.

  233. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 11, 2012 - 1:57 am | Permalink

    @Ken Freeland:

    You make a valid point but white Christian nations can still hold universalist principals within a WN’s structure. WN does not nessesarily mean that we have to boot all non whites out. It simply means to me anyway, that we in our own nations should never be in a position of being challenged in our ethnic, national, religious, cultural or heritage identity. This is how we were were for 2000 years under Christianity but now Universalism has been hijacked by the eglitarians to mean nothing less than White suicide on all fronts.

    I believe any and all who would challenge our law source (biblical,Christian,Common,Natural,Constitutional law) that can be traced all the way back to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob should be deported. This would probably take care of almost all non whites leaving us in a secure position again at about 90-95% white/European stock.

  234. TyronRobertParsons's Gravatar TyronRobertParsons
    September 11, 2012 - 2:10 am | Permalink

    @Ken Freeland:

    I disagree with you about the “Jews” genetic makeup. I think they have a much greater propensity toward evil and this is because they are from the seed of Esau and Ashkenaz. This does NOT mean that all will be that way- it means they have a much, much greater likelihood toward evil and the external programming they grow up with does not help them in this regard- in the least.
    As Christ said to them- if they believe he is who he is and they continue in his word, they too will be saved.

  235. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    September 11, 2012 - 11:24 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    Hi John

    I was thinking about what you wrote a few days ago, and another possible explanation entered my mind.

    You wrote:

    “All very true, but the question still remains of what is it about whites as opposed to others that has allowed for this situation to occur?

    As example, I just can not imagine the Japanese feeling guilted in to allowing for such a situation to occur in Japan.”

    Here is what occured to me:

    A lot of Jews appear White.

    So a lot of White people trusted them.

    But a Japanese person sees a Jew and he sees someone who is obviously not Japanese.

    Same goes for other Asian groups, and Hispanics, and Blacks, etc.

    A Black man sees a Jew and he sees someone that he knows isn’t Black. And since all races are naturally racist, he knows that he should be cautious about Jews.

    But many Whites see Jews and they see White people with a different religion.

    Whites don’t realize that some foreign race has been poisoning their collective mind for several decades. If Jews turned green (or some other non-White color) overnight, then Whites might be more skeptical of them — they would be surprised at how much power Jews have, and they would realize that they aren’t looking out for White people’s interests. They aren’t White, so why would they be looking out for White people’s interests?

    Anyway, I was thinking about that earlier and thought I’d turn it into a comment in the hope that someone might find it useful somehow.

    I doubt my insight is very original — but it’s new to me.

  236. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    September 11, 2012 - 11:31 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    I think you are absolutely right. The fact that Jews look like us in many cases, has allowed them to get away with something other non-Whites couldn’t have pulled off.

  237. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 12, 2012 - 12:28 am | Permalink

    @Richard:

    Hey Richard,

    I agree. That’s what makes them so, umm, “effective”.

    The really weird thing is that 99.9% people don’t know a thing about Judaism as a relgion. Now, many jews are not practicing, but most are influenced by their religion. Just like people who come from Christian heritage but are no longer believing are influenced , only the influence is different.

    It’s a really weird world where what might be the worlds most powerful religion is really unknown to people and they don’t care to know.

    People are funny that way.

  238. fender's Gravatar fender
    September 12, 2012 - 12:42 am | Permalink

    @Richard:

    Yup, the jews really were our misfortune. It’s tragic irony that the world’s most heroic race was undone by it’s most devious and scheming race.

  239. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    September 12, 2012 - 12:47 am | Permalink

    @Starets:


    @John hearns:

    I wonder how many abortion doctors are jewish?

    In Canada, Henry Morgentaler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgentaler) was instrumental in getting abortion legalized. He was also an illegal abortionist before it was legal.

    It does seem like a lot of abortionists are jewish, but unfortunately there are some whites who are complicit as well.

    Yeah, I think their religion “inspires” them. Henry is quite a guy. What an accomplishment that was. He is a hero to some people and he got a Canadian award. That pretty much says it all about the present state of things.

  240. Starets's Gravatar Starets
    September 13, 2012 - 4:34 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    Also of note is Judy Rebick. She was one of Morgentalers’ earliest and stongest supporters, and a long time feminist activist in Canada.

    She is a repulsive person, and did a lot to inflict the feminist agenda on to Canada. Of course she was aided by the cultural marxist media and political establishment in Canada.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Rebick

    • anita's Gravatar anita
      September 13, 2012 - 4:48 am | Permalink

      Starets: There are very many repulsive persons in Canada. I survived 2.5 years there, and when our plane landed back in Sydney, I kissed the ground, (like the Pope) as in the Polish pope, whom I admired, along with Lech Walesa.
      Any way, these days I am in touch with Henry Makow, whose web site introduced me to The Occidental Observer.
      And it is on Henry’s site, that I learned, not at all news to me, about the Manitoba judge, who once upon a time was a lawyer.
      This would have to be, one of the SICKEST TRUE STORIES in our public western democratic NON-LIFE aka DEATH.

      So, this woman is now a Judge.
      Not so long ago, she and her husband were lawyers, and the husband advertised for a BLACK MAN to have sex with his wife.

      Black man needing cash, applied.
      The white lawyer and black man are in porno pics on the internet, thanks to the husband.

      White FemiNasties are defending this white woman Judge
      while the black man is suing, because no one wants to know him.

      Canada is a whole lot sicker than Oz, but I am not sure how much.

      So I am NOT for white supremacy as in Lori Douglas and her sicko husband.
      Yet Lori Douglas sits in Judgement on the lives of ‘plebs’.

      Well, I am in full support of Kevin Annett and the International Tribunal….crimes against the Vatican and Crown….
      God save Kevin Annett and the peoples of Kanata
      and Australia.

  241. tom's Gravatar tom
    September 13, 2012 - 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Talmudic Judism is a psychopathic Logos.
    It is success is a psychopath success, a lean machine without emotions or morality to encumber it reaching its self -serving goals. But it always has this self -deceptive artificial moral code for some reason.
    With Tamuldic psychopathic morality the ends justifies the means. The directions towards that end justify the immoral behavoir to get there. It is mechanistic.
    With Logos the moral means determines the direction of behavoir. The end remains unknown and a product of faith. This appears to be a genetic determination but very well may not be. It is an immanent organic unfolding.

  242. September 13, 2012 - 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Some of the comments about Jews in this thread are so hyperbolic they make me laugh, I agree with the opinions being expressed (and its true, if culture is man’s niche and society directs human evolution, which it does, the Jews can only be seen as having arose as economic ‘parasites’ because their ancestors became divorced from the production of their own resources, and had to be sustained by others). But anything phrased in overdramatic terms, or with block capitals in it… it must look well bad IMO.

    As for Jewish abortionists someone mentioned… is it a mystery why there’s so many Jews involved in it as providers and activists? It destabilises white families and harms our birthrate doesn’t it? At present they’re losing support from secularists and the non-brainwashed left, so some of them are trying to play the implicit whiteness game now, don’t fall for it… what about the little white babies who die?

    Not only for the murders involved but for these people’s undermining of the family and community, the assault on responsible men’s rights whilst enabling men to abuse women (unsafe promiscuity without consequence turns women into blow up dolls), the psychological damage to many women in the name of women’s ‘rights’ (does it matter if abortion itself causes the damage or whether they were disturbed first, psychologically vulnerable people should be kept safe from predators offering harmful ‘solutions’), not to mention that it is an attempt to murder our people as a stock… for all of this I demand the noose for the likes of Morgentaler.

    If anyone knows a baby killer or someone who’s paid to kill their own child for convenience, get them named and shamed online.

  243. September 13, 2012 - 10:01 pm | Permalink

    I don’t like blame games, and I won’t blame Christianity as a scapegoat especially when religious Christians have such better communities and birthrates than secularists. But anyone who thinks our present problems aren’t related to ideas within Christianity, is deeply mistaken. Concepts like all human individuals being equal are originally theological, so is forgiveness instead of punishment.

  244. Vendikar's Gravatar Vendikar
    September 14, 2012 - 3:55 am | Permalink

    Let me posit this experiment, at present a “Gedankenexperiment”, which is that we take, say, twenty thousand Jews-some Ashkenazi, some Sephardi, but all both certified, practicing Jews, from two practicing Jewish parents each of whom were of two biologic and practicing Jews. We select them to be at median intelligence for Jews, median rates of genetic disease inheritances, etc. They are average, but absolutely Jewish: of this we are sure.

    We then build a spacecraft-with warp drive, transporters, just like ‘Star Trek” but much bigger-and we send this bunch of Jews on a stellar diaspora. The ship is preprogrammed to go to a distant star system which we have determined has a planet on it much like Earth in the Pliocene, without sentient creatures, but plenty of flora which are edible and fauna which can be hunted or eaten (or they, the settlers.)

    Then what? In this new word, where it’s Jews all the way down, what happens?

    In two thousand years, are there Jews? Is everyone, no one, or some one a Jew? What are the others?

  245. Winterlight's Gravatar Winterlight
    September 14, 2012 - 3:02 pm | Permalink

    @Vendikar:

    In two thousand years, are there Jews? Is everyone, no one, or some one a Jew? What are the others?

    You tell us.

  246. Thundertoad's Gravatar Thundertoad
    September 14, 2012 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    @mari:
    Mari is right.

    I went to France (Paris). I saw beautiful White people.

    My family wanted to go the le Jardin de Luxembourg. I thought , “Oh, no–all those topless women!” You see, I had read too many absurd Western news reports about France.

    Needless to say, le Jardin was like any park here in America.

  247. Spectator's Gravatar Spectator
    September 17, 2012 - 6:46 am | Permalink

    @Xanadu: I commend the work of Eric Voegelin to your attention. In his Order and History, In Science, Politics, and Gnosticism, and many other works, he pursues the notion of how human consciousness is “Metaxological”–it is “in between” in its fundamental structure.

  248. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    September 18, 2012 - 9:41 am | Permalink

    A moral code does not derive from biology if a moral code is understood as an objective code of behavior applicable to all men in all circumstances for all time and any peek at the Talmud will prove that.

    Morality for Jews is different than is morality for Christians; in fact, Jewish morality is more akin to Mahometan morality that it is to Christian morality.

    Neither the Jewish or the Mahometan moral code teaches that one must do good towards th eother.

  249. Ken Freeland's Gravatar Ken Freeland
    September 18, 2012 - 10:58 am | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus: This kind of thinking reduces to moral relativism: So you are saying, then, that what is moral for a Jew is not moral for a gentile and vice versa? This approach denies the essential claims of natural law, that human reason is incapable of denying certain universal moral truths that are universally applicable. If you do deny this, then one has to wonder on what basis you would expect international understanding and world peace to ever come about, since conflicting moralities and moral claims offer no common ground for peaceful agreement….it’s just a question, finally, of ethnicity? Seems rather hopeless (and unreasonable).

    But in the end, I do think that this is the question that divides those, even in this debate, that contend on the one hand that everyone is qualitatively equal and therefore susceptible to the same moral accountability, and those who hold that a particular ethnic group (with an unarguably dismal moral track record) is typologically unique and therefore not entitled to the same moral consideration that other human beings might claim as a natural right. In other words, is it nature or nurture that makes a Jew?

  250. I am not Spartacus's Gravatar I am not Spartacus
    September 18, 2012 - 11:01 am | Permalink

    Or from the wisdom of generations inscribed in the Codifier’s genes? My natural instinct tells me that incest is wrong. I don’t need Moses or Manu to tell me this. If they were to reverse their teachings and tell me that incest was okay, I would not suddenly become pro-incest.

    In a word: the moral code is inscribed in our genes. If Jones is repelled by this idea, let him reflect that it is God himself who may be the inscriber

    Any process (especially evolution) which is putatively about random this and mutation that can not rationally be described as having a purpose.

    As to questions of sex, perhaps the good doctor would have been ok with polygamy had she been into Mormonism a century ago

  251. anita's Gravatar anita
    September 18, 2012 - 7:12 pm | Permalink

    @I am not Spartacus: you said:’Neither the Jewish or the Mahometan moral code teaches that one must do good towards th eother’
    Both Muslims and Jews are closed to outsiders, teaching their insiders that they alone are ‘clean’ and ‘righteous’ and ‘lawful’ according to their own creeds, customs and rituals.

    Christ constantly confronted and challenged the hypocrisies of his own righteous /mocking ones: there is only One God and that is the God of Truth and Life and the Way.
    We are all broken sinners, and depending on the choices we make 24/7 along our life paths, have a chance at redemption.
    This begins in our hearts and minds and our guts, using our con science at all times, in accordance with the situations/events confronting us.
    Last year, I read in the news of a young Jewish boy who went missing in NYC. He had finished camp and was waiting for his mother to collect him.
    We later heard that he was brutally murdered by an older but still young fellow Jew who had butchered the body and deep freezing it in his mother’s home. Acc to the news reports, this young man was suffering grief over the death of his mother. The entire Jewish community closed ranks around this perpetrator, and I have heard nothing more.
    A closed system denied all others methinks, and sicker for it.
    Similarly, we had a celebrity Jewish stockbroker here, fabulously wealthy and feted by the media. He ended up suiciding in the second bedroom of his mother’s apartment, even though he had five adult children of his own, and a beautiful wife to whom he was allegedly serially unfaithful.
    So to respond to Ken Freeland’s question re Jews being the product of nature or nurture, I say unequivocably: both nature AND nurture.
    They are so tightly controlled and conditioned by their closed belief and Jewish family systems, that they end up with far worse neuroses/psychoses and guilt/shame complexes than most others, when their belief system does not produce the outcome they want/believe themselves ‘entitled’ to.

  252. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    September 19, 2012 - 12:41 am | Permalink

    @Facio Libre:
    See Robert Lindsay, blog [if I recall correctly].
    He lists % of Euros with ‘black blood’, Portuguese and Southern Italians at about 5%.

  253. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    September 19, 2012 - 12:43 am | Permalink

    @Starets:
    Sleepian was on the way to or from the ‘gog’ when he was killed.
    i believe ‘baby killer’ Tiller was as well.
    I read that Sleepians ‘fill in’ is an Israeli. [in Buffalo NY]

  254. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    September 19, 2012 - 12:48 am | Permalink

    @Floda:
    Is that why Hussein sent more US troops in?

  255. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    September 19, 2012 - 12:55 am | Permalink

    Baby Killer [I do not buse the term lightly]
    I just recalled MotherJones mag, 10? years ago.
    Dr Birnbaum [?] in NY, who does the ‘abortions’ on the gals a few weeks before live delivery.
    You can do a search.
    MOTHER JONES MADE HIM LOOK LIKE A HERO.

  256. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    September 19, 2012 - 12:59 am | Permalink

    @Skadhi_the_Raverner:
    Welcome StR, didnt know you posted here.
    Yeah, I knew a gal who ran a ‘clinic’ for a doc…
    SO I POSTED HER NAME ONLINE.

    there are various sites, been cheated by a biz, see
    PISSED CONSUMER
    RIP OFF REPORTS

    Not sure if Facebook would allow ‘moral’ postings, along with their ‘kill Romney’ [or whatever] pages.

  257. darrell's Gravatar darrell
    September 29, 2012 - 2:57 am | Permalink

    It is apparent to me that Dr Jones has the better argument. His magnum opus, The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and its Impact on World History thoroughly explains the ‘Jewish question’ from both an historical as well as theological perspective. Dr Robert Sungenis called it ‘one of the most important books ever written’. It is available at culturewars.com.

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