David N. Meyers on Free Speech in Israel and America

Today’s L.A. Times has a stirring defense of academic freedom by David N. Myers (“In defense of academic freedom“).  It looks like the Department of Politics and Government of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev is about to be shut down by the Likudniks. No surprise, given that the professors there have criticized the government, one professor going so far as to urge a boycott of Israel in order “to overcome the deep structural inequities between Jews and Arabs in Israeli society and the occupied territories, and to force the government back toward the goal of a two-state solution.”

Of course, it’s just the tip of the iceberg for how Israel is turning away from Western values and returning to its deep Jewish roots—high walls between Jews and non-Jews typical of Jewish society throughout history (often labeled ‘apartheid’ in the Israeli context) and ethnic warfare (i.e., ethnic cleansing of Palestinians),  as opposed to Western liberal values like democracy and individualism where group status is theoretically irrelevant.

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Myers relates all this to the U.S. by discussing the attempts in the 1950s to force professors to “sign a loyalty oath requiring them to forswear any allegiance to the Communist Party.” The hero of the piece is Ernst Kantorowicz, a professor at the University of California, who refused to sign the oath. Kantorowicz was not a communist; according to Myers, Kantorowicz’s background “as a medievalist and his experience as a person of Jewish origin in Nazi Germany led him to conclude that ‘history shows that it never pays to yield to the impact of momentary hysteria, or to jeopardize, for the sake of temporary or temporal advantages, the permanent or eternal values.’”

Kantorowicz’s Jewish motivation may well have been a little more complex than that, since at the time it was well-known that Jews continued to be the mainstay of the Party throughout the 1950s (see the  current TOO featured article, “Joe McCarthy and the Jews: Comments on Jewish Organizations’ Response to Communism and Senator McCarthy, by Aviva Weingarten (2008)“. Kantorowicz as a non-communist is therefore ideal for being portrayed as a warrior on behalf of principle (“eternal values”) when in fact his principles coincided quite well with his ethnic interests. Just as communist Jews continued to identify as Jews (see previous link), non-communist Jews like Kantorowicz continued to identify with their ethnic brethren who were communists. And, like the Jewish organizations, they realized that overturning laws requiring professors to sign loyalty oaths was a Jewish ethnic interest.

Myers relates all this to the current situation in the U.S. Whereas in the 1950s Jewish organizations were on the defensive because of the well-known Jewish role in communism, today Jewish organization s are leading the charge against free speech.  Myers highlights the recent California Assembly Resolution on Anti-Semitism—a thinly veiled attempt to prevent criticism of Israel on campus that was promoted by activist Jews (see discussion here). Myers is silent about the role of Jews in promoting this resolution, nor does he mention the critical role of Jewish organizations in promoting “hate speech” laws around the world (see “The Hate Crimes Prevention Bill: Why Do Jewish Organizations Support It?“).

So there is a certain consistency: When Jews have power, they seek to curb free speech, whether in Israel or the Diaspora. Obviously, there is no tradition of free speech within traditional Jewish societies which were run like Hassidic communities are today. Non-conformists beware.

It should also be noted that Myers’ concern about “eternal values” seems a bit hollow. I don’t recall getting any support from him when the (Jewish-funded) SPLC and the ADL were engaging in a well-publicized  effort rying to get me fired from my position as a professor at CSULB. Indeed the CSULB Department of Jewish Studies led the campaign against me on campus. A word from him as a professor of Jewish history at UCLA would have been very helpful.

To be sure, Western societies have a history of giving in to the forces of censorship, especially in times of crisis,  even though free speech is uniquely a Western value. Such was the perceived situation in the 1950s. Right now free speech is hanging on by a very shaky 5-4 majority on the Supreme Court. Another Obama appointment with the values of Elena Kagan should make Jewish organizations very happy indeed.

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49 Comments to "David N. Meyers on Free Speech in Israel and America"

  1. anarchyst's Gravatar anarchyst
    October 14, 2012 - 6:11 pm | Permalink

    The “tribe” would LOVE to see European-style anti-free thought laws enacted here in the USA. You see, the jewish “holocaust ™” is sacrosanct in Europe. ANY investigation or criticism that veers from “official” jewish “holocaust ™” orthodoxy is punishable by stiff fines and imprisonment. Those accused of “thought-crimes” have even been forced to recant in order to lessen their “sentences”.
    The “fly in the ointment” for the jews is that the muslims are demanding the same thing . . .

  2. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 14, 2012 - 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Not sure what to think of this. If all Jews basically know “what to do” in regards to their race and ours, why are there professors in Israel who are criticizing their government? The Israeli government is 100% pro-Jewish and does everything in its power to make sure that it defends the racial interests of Jews. On the other hand “White” governments are 0% pro-White, 100% anti-White and pro-mud. What’s the deal here?

  3. October 14, 2012 - 6:35 pm | Permalink
  4. October 14, 2012 - 7:01 pm | Permalink

    David Duke on Press TV

    That interview with Duke was removed from Press TV’s YouTube channel for “hate speech.”

  5. danaigh's Gravatar danaigh
    October 14, 2012 - 7:13 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been trying to comprehend how jewish, muslim and non-white groups can seem to co-exist long enough to oppose the interests of native europeans and their descendants in the West.

    It seems that the european, be he celt, serb or anglo has no ally even within his own. As for myself, the writings of Orwell on the tricks of mind describe this process perfectly, viz:

    To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself – that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word ‘doublethink’ involved the use of doublethink

    From: Wikipedia, definition of Doublethink.

    All this concern about inclusion is just an excuse to destroy the other. It is fine with me if Israel boots out Arabs and is only for her own. The Chinese, Japanese, Blacks in Africa et. al. do the same. Europeans should claim the same right and laugh in the face of those attempt to hold us to a standard none other follow.

  6. peppermint's Gravatar peppermint
    October 14, 2012 - 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Seriously?

    You could comment on the fact that Israelis are allowed to be openly nationalistic, while in other Western democracies, Communists (including, ironically, many Jews) like the SPLC and ADL shout you down with words like racist and hatespeech.

    Jews don’t consider anti-Semitic attitudes “racist”. They consider them anti-Semitic, and demand the end of anti-Semitism, not “racism”. If they were demanding the end of “racism”, they might end up accepting the illegal African immigrants who are trying to infiltrate their country and take jobs from the weakest Israelis. Instead, they oppose it in those terms.

    We could be talking about how hypocritical the ADL is, damning Whites as racist, and protecting Jews especially in opposing anti-Semitism.

    We could be talking about how anti-racist is a code word for anti-white, and how to get people to recognize that anti-white attitudes and actions are not okay.

    Instead, we’re playing ‘har har Israel is racist’.

    I guess I was expecting “The Occidental Observer” to be pro-White first and foremost.

    The word “racist” was invented by Communists to attack Whites with, and always and everywhere is a libel towards Whites, as well as implying the lie that race doesn’t exist (which is also only ever used to attack Whites. Race doesn’t exist when Whites face genocide, but it does exist when Whites are privileged and need to be brought down a peg through mass immigration and forced integration).

  7. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 14, 2012 - 8:18 pm | Permalink

    @peppermint:

    MacDonald has talked about those issues many, many times.

  8. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    October 14, 2012 - 11:23 pm | Permalink

    @Graham Wellington:
    Recorded at the college?
    Where he mentions prison rape and the blacks snicker?

  9. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 15, 2012 - 12:31 am | Permalink

    @fender: Ha,haha, …yeah, what exactly IS the “deal” here? Another one of those phony Gordian knot type problems Israel constantly seems to face. B.S.

  10. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 15, 2012 - 12:33 am | Permalink

    @peppermint: Excellent points peppermint. It seems we are forever getting distracted by the B.S. side issues that almost seem to be custom made to waste our time and distract us from issues so deadly to us.

  11. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 15, 2012 - 12:36 am | Permalink

    @fender: I’m not neccessarily talking about this issue and Dr. MacDonald, but so many of the last several important topics, had people going off on the most ridiculous side issues.

  12. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 15, 2012 - 12:39 am | Permalink

    @danaigh: Europeans should claim the same right to………………….boot out the other,etc., just as all the others Israel, Africa, etc. do.
    BINGO!! You win the prize for the most relevant comment of the day.

  13. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    October 15, 2012 - 1:16 am | Permalink

    Having seen many disputes over free speech, I think most people, while claiming to believe in free speech, would just as soon have views they loathe not heard.

  14. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 15, 2012 - 1:54 am | Permalink

    Free speech? Here, in America? Mere illusion of those who share the opinions (or rather indoctrination) of the masses. I lost the supposed “right” so many of my fellow Americans praise themselves for having the moment I awoke. Every comment I posted was either deleted or altered (often in less than flattering ways, damaging my reputation within the community). Just yesterday, I commented of Obamney on yahoo and found my post deleted within 20 seconds. Fast little bastards, aren’t they? Ron Paul taught us all how no matter how high the platform we chose may be, we will not be heard. Free speech my arse.

  15. Rhino Man's Gravatar Rhino Man
    October 15, 2012 - 7:45 am | Permalink

    Who cares? It would be to our benefit to even help enlarge Israel. That way they could all return to a country of their own and leave every other nation. The territories of the Arab world is very large and wealthy due to oil sales. They could easily take in the Palestinians and provide their Muslim brethren with land and jobs. All Jews to their territory and all Islamo-fascist terrorists to their territory. Problem solved.

    Will never happen. The Muzzards insist on keeping the pot boiling.

  16. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    October 15, 2012 - 11:16 am | Permalink

    @danaigh: I share your concern on this subject. And, your description of the situation that whites face: all minorities, all non-whites, may very well have a strong dislike for each other – but, they are all united in their mutual hatred for White European people. This is why I have so little patience with certain factions within the White community who I hear or read promoting the clearly insane idea that Whites should try to form alliances with blacks or with Muslims or with some other non-white racial group and then together ‘Whites and their non-white allies’ will do battle with the jews and defeat them.

    Anyone who’s White who shares this notion needs to have their heads examined, at a minimum. The jews have deliberately set up the system to make sure all non-whites manage to benefit in some way by making sure the system remains virulently anti-White. So, why should any minority want to help Whites destroy a system that they benefit from?

    And, even if they did decide to ally themselves with Whites – sooner or later, their ethnic interests are going to collide with the ethnic interests of Whites and how will those conflicts be overcome?

  17. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 15, 2012 - 11:47 am | Permalink

    @Luke:
    Exactly, it is very unlikely that the coalition of non-Whites + Jews against Whites will break up into a coalition of non-Whites + Whites against the Jews, because not only are the Jews parasites of the Whites, the non-Whites are that as well. So why would they work against their own parasitical interests?
    Some parasitical groups might quarrell among themselves, but they still remain parasites and will not give up their parasitical way of life.

    Like it or not, but in this world Whites have no other allies than themselves. Never mind, there are still more than one billion of them!

  18. Hooper's Gravatar Hooper
    October 15, 2012 - 3:32 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Even when the sweep of history is fairly clear, the details don’t always give way to such black and white interpretation as is often presented.

    As much trouble as Jews have been for Western societies throughout history, there is still a continuum of, shall we say, more and less aggressive Jewish tendencies within the tribe. Prior to the last generation, relatively moderate, quasi-Europeanized Jews still held considerable sway in the collective Jewish outlook, including in Israel. My take on it is that the massive influx of Eastern European/Russian Jews (the most virulent and aggressive sort) into Israel has tipped the scales irrevocably in the direction of primitive tribalism and extremism. (it really does seem like the worst of the batch is always from Eastern Europe. You rarely see 10th generation Dutch Jews on the front lines of unhinged tribal warfare).

    The amount of Jews who have drunk their own medicine, so to speak, and actually stand up for liberal values is decreasing by the day – for every Daniel Barenboim there are twenty rabid settlers.

    It will, however, be increasingly difficult for them to maintain even the appearance of Western values. The Old World Jews, while still largely a destructive influence, were well versed in Western culture and could very much play both sides. That was what made them so effective. And yet being a successful parasite does in fact imply some degree of internalization of the characteristics of the host.

  19. norman S's Gravatar norman S
    October 15, 2012 - 3:45 pm | Permalink

    1984 came a little late but with hate speech and the TSA its now here. Guess whose behind it?

  20. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 15, 2012 - 4:59 pm | Permalink

    @Hooper:

    One of the best things that can happen is that Israel turns into a kind of Jewish North Korea, a closed-off, backwards, totalitarian dictatorship run by the rabbis. I don’t mind the fanatical religious jews, they’re funny to me. I can’t stand the the two-faced “liberal” jews whose heroes are Howard Zinn and Tim Wise. They’re the problem because people actually listen to them.

  21. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 15, 2012 - 5:33 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    I’m afraid Israel never will become something like the hermit state North Korea, rather it is already something like the Vatican, the territorial headquarters of a worldwide powerweb, but in this case not of a Church but of an ethnic Mafia. The secular Jewish criminals will never allow this center to become an ineffective religious museum, even if the majority of the Jews will be orthodox.

  22. October 15, 2012 - 5:37 pm | Permalink
  23. Molly's Gravatar Molly
    October 15, 2012 - 6:10 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Exactly, it is very unlikely that the coalition of non-Whites + Jews against Whites will break up into a coalition of non-Whites + Whites against the Jews, because not only are the Jews parasites of the Whites, the non-Whites are that as well. So why would they work against their own parasitical interests?
    Some parasitical groups might quarrell among themselves, but they still remain parasites and will not give up their parasitical way of life.

    Like it or not, but in this world Whites have no other allies than themselves

    Someone should explain this to Jared Taylor at American Renaissance who declared:

    “Jews have a valuable role in the work of American Renaissance, and are welcome participants and speakers. Anyone who thinks otherwise has the choice of staying home or keeping his views to himself.”
    http://www.amren.com/news/2006/04/jews_and_americ/

    • anarchyst's Gravatar anarchyst
      October 15, 2012 - 7:23 pm | Permalink

      I experienced the same thing on Amren . . . my posts questioning nefarious jewish behavior were promptly deleted. Amren is a good resource. Unfortunately, the “tribe” seems to exert editorial control over Amren to its peril.

  24. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 15, 2012 - 7:56 pm | Permalink

    @Molly:

    “Jews have a valuable role in the work of American Renaissance,”

    Yes, valuable to themselves.

    Jared Taylor is unfortunately a very bland speaker with that Hank Hill voice of his. I recently saw a video of him and Matt Heimbach debating four uppity blacks (is there any other kind?) in a video chat and the answers he gave to questions like, “What is White culture?” were very ineffectual. He started trying to put together a technical definition of White culture when he should have said something incisive and aggressive to shut those stupid blacks up like, “See that laptop you’re typing on? THAT’s White culture, stupid. When you blacks produce a Shockley or a Mozart THEN you can ask us what our culture is.”

  25. October 15, 2012 - 8:22 pm | Permalink
  26. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 15, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    @Molly:
    Jared Taylor chooses a “Jew-friendly” approach to WN, probably in order to gain respectability with the Jewish PTB. Well, both the ADL and the SPLC mention that he is no “anti-Semite” but still use terms like “racist” and “supremacist” to describe his views and contacts. So far one could perhaps understand Jared Taylor, but he frequently invites Jewish speakers at his conferences and Jews probably censor the comment sector of his online publication American Renaissance. This policy allows his organization to speak only about the symptons of America’s racial problems but not about its causes, which are Jewish activism in the realms of immigration and integration and a general anti-White culture.
    You cannot win a battle if you not only do not dare to name your enemy but even let him determine your strategy!

  27. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 16, 2012 - 1:53 am | Permalink

    @Molly: American Défaillance.

  28. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 16, 2012 - 5:17 am | Permalink

    Free speech is an important issue, but not to “White Nationalists” (whom appear more like White Marxists as time goes on). None of them say ANYTHING about people being thrown in prison all over Europe and Canada for violating Hate Speech laws.

    As far as I can see, WNists have no interest in White men being free. They merely have silly ass fantasies of commanding Whites around as if they were a quivering Oriental mass. I would suggest more of us use the term pro-White.

    For two generations, they have utterly failed to even score the easy PR points of exposing how the laws against free speech in Europe, Canada and Australia.

  29. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 16, 2012 - 9:39 am | Permalink

    @Hooper: I like your analysis. Most westernized Jews will go along with their hyperaggressive brethren, but they would just as soon not mess with the apple cart for fear of what might result from its overturning. Should things start to go badly for Jews and Jewish interests, they will of course complain most loudly about how victimized they are for the crimes of others. Though many such people are, at the local level, good neighbors, they cannot be counted upon for assistance now nor should they get much if any sympathy should we ever live to see the Tribe get its just comeuppance for its gross criminality. They have elected to be profiteers and hence deserve no better fate than other profiteers have earned.

    Daniel Barenboim, whose career and thinking I’ve followed for a mere 45 years, is both an exception and, in the higher sense, exceptional. He genuinely has no interest in killing you and me or destroying our culture and civilization. But there are very few Jews like him anywhere in the world.

    In replying to your remarks, fender and Mr. Ryckaert had several things to say about Israel, with much of which I disagree. I no longer believe that Israel is anything but international Jewry’s storefront. It is far, far from being Jewry’s headquarters; if such a place even exists, it’s much more likely to be here in the States or on one of the Rothschilds’ châteaux.

    When the day comes that the kosher mob decides they need a little “Jewish lightning” to get the insurance money, they’ll set the match and watch Israel go up in flames with hardly even a crocodile tear. The day may not even be far off when the Tribe decides to dispense entirely with such a brick-and-mortar setup as Israel. Like Amazon, over which it has so much control, the Tribe can manage/rule the world via ISP.

    Ah, brave new world that has such creatures in it!

  30. Bear's Gravatar Bear
    October 16, 2012 - 11:39 am | Permalink

    @danaigh:

    I’ve been trying to comprehend how jewish, muslim and non-white groups can seem to co-exist long enough to oppose the interests of native europeans and their descendants in the West.

    I think it’s as simple as them intuitevely knowing that they must first unite against Whites, after that they can fight it out amongst themselves.

    Note Jewish efforts in funding the EDL ( English Defense league), Geert Wilders while making simultaneous efforts at outreach to Muslims.

    The Jews will loose, the Koran is impressively resistant and suspicious of philo semitism. The book was created over about 200 years by rulers who overlayed stories relating to the semi mythical Mohamed to suit their political interests. Jewish belief in the mythical tolerance of Islam wil be one point of their own destruction. Consider the myth of the Andalusian never never land.

  31. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    October 16, 2012 - 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Interesting and ironic. Kantorowicz as hero worshiper also produced a highly acclaimed biography of Frederick II which, incidentally, had a massive inspirational impact on Julius Evola’s thought. Go figure.

  32. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    October 16, 2012 - 4:03 pm | Permalink

    @Bear:
    “Jewish belief in the mythical tolerance of Islam wil be one point of their own destruction.”
    Yes. Keep underestimating them. That will work well. You do realize that this ‘mythical tolerance’ is a meme created by their own media arms.

    They have plans/counter-plans fifty moves ahead. European genius(unpredictability) is all that threatens them and even that is being eradicated with their current pharma war on the youth.

  33. omop's Gravatar omop
    October 16, 2012 - 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Free speech in America!

    Jewish Groups Sue City Over Snip-N-Suck Circumcision Rule

    At a heated circumcision hearing (Alec Tabak/Gothamist)
    Last month, the Board of Health unanimously approved a circumcision consent form that requires parents to sign a waiver before their infant can undergo the “metzitzah b’peh”; ritual, the circumcision practice in which a mohel sucks the blood from a just snipped foreskin.

    Rabbis protested outside that meeting, claiming this decision was Bloomberg’s “blood libel”—and now, they’ve sued the city, saying their First Amendment rights have been violated.

    “Not only is the Department of Health wrong about metzitzah b’peh, it is trying to enforce erroneous opinions on the people of New York City,” spokesman Hank Sheinkopf said in a statement. “By essentially starting a public intimidation campaign that forces private citizens to spread the government’s beliefs, they are shaking the core of our democracy. We believe the courts will stop this overzealous government overreach and keep them out of our speech and religion.”

    The lawsuit was filed by the Central Rabbinical Congress of the USA and Canada, Agudath Israel of America, International Bris Association and three rabbis, all of whom claims the city lacks “any definitive proof” that metzitzah b’peh “poses health risks of any kind, and in the face of the millennia-long track record of safety, the regulation would require mohelim to transmit the Department’s subjective opinion that MDP ‘should not be performed.’” We assume the fact that the CDC found a total of 11 baby Jewish boys in NYC were infected with herpes in the last decade doesn’t count as proof at all.
    City officials expected this though—the rabbis outside the DOH meeting said the lawsuit was already in the works that day—and plan to fight the suit: “The city’s highest obligation is to protect its children; therefore, it is important that parents know the risks associated with the practice,” said Health Commissioner Thomas Farley.

    Contact the author of this article or email tips@gothamist.com with further questions, comments or tips.
    By Ben Yakas in News on October 12, 2012 10:42 AM

  34. yancey ames's Gravatar yancey ames
    October 16, 2012 - 6:31 pm | Permalink

    JEWISH COMMISSARS OF “FREE SPEECH”

    When Oliver Stone made the comment that Hitler and Stalin needed to be put in “historical context” the Israeli billionaire and Hollywood film producer, Haim Saban, went ballistic. He was further outraged by the additional comments of Mr. Stone that Hitler did more damage to the Russians than the Jews and that Israel’s media lobby distorts the facts on the Middle East. Saban opined that henceforth Oliver Stone should be allowed to practice his Fifth Amendment rights in retirement. What Haim Saban was really saying was that Jews should be allowed to define the limits of free speech and intellectual inquiry – upon pain of career destruction.

    Mr. Saban would undoubtedly argue that the First Amendment only protects citizens from government retaliation, not private retaliation. That is technically correct. However, Haim Saban must surely realize that, historically, Jews have provoked pogroms and expulsions through their anti-social behavior. Among the abuses which the Jews have committed are attempting to stifle criticism of their behavior and to suppress historical interpretations which they deem detrimental to their group interests. A good example of this process was the enormous pressure that was put on former President Jimmy Carter over the publication of his book “Palestine: Peace, Not Apartheid”. Another example was the forced resignation of Marge Schott as the owner of the Cincinnati Reds for her qualified praise of Adolf Hitler. Now Oliver Stone, himself half-Jewish, is getting the “Mel Gibson” treatment.

    Haim Saban is unwittingly laying the groundwork for a rising tide of anti-Semitism. People do not care to be told what they can think and how they may express themselves. They particularly do not like to be dictated to as the price of a paycheck. Perhaps these minor considerations do not occur to the arrogant Mr. Saban. But to the man-in-the-street, certain considerations will flow through his mind. He will conclude that if one cannot criticize Jews, then Jews must be the real rulers of these United States. He will conclude that Jews are throwing their weight around and that maybe that evil man, Adolf Hitler, was on to something. He may even consider that the state of Israel is harming U.S. interests in the Middle East – and that super rich Jews like Haim Saban and their campaign contributions – are one of the reasons for U.S. support of Israel. He may even conclude that enforced silence is one of the big reasons for these abuses – and that perhaps those who enforce silence should themselves be silenced.

    These are dangerous thoughts indeed – and they lead to reactions well documented in history. Oliver Stone is quite correct that Hitler and Stalin need to be discussed in context. But to raise that context would perturb Haim Saban immensely. It would raise all the forgotten historical facts that he does not want examined. To put Hitler in context would mean recalling the injustices of the Treaty of Versailles and the immense Jewish involvement in same. It would mean remembering the names of the Communist revolutionaries in Germany and Hungary after the Great War – almost all of them Jewish. It would mean remembering all the Jewish commissars who served Joseph Stalin in the 1930’s and 1940’s – before he got around to purging them. It would mean examining Joseph Stalin’s attack plans in 1941 – before Hitler beat him to the punch. No doubt the context of all these matters would even disturb Mr. Stone and some of his mistaken notions. But that is what freedom of speech and intellectual controversy is all about – rocking the boat.

    It is blindingly obvious that there is a de facto Jewish approved religion of thought in these United States. This approved religion becomes ever more blatant in its efforts to crush freedom of thought and dissent. The issue is not one of bigotry and intolerance, for what is bigotry to one man is truth to another. Jewish Commissars of “free speech” like Haim Saban should no more be tolerated in these United States than the Jewish gulag commissars of 1930’s Russia should be allowed to die quietly of natural causes in their Moscow apartments.

    Haim Saban must learn that “freedom of speech” does not mean the freedom to fellate Haim Saban as the price of Hollywood fame and fortune. The House Un-American Activities Committee once rooted Jewish Communists out of the movie industry. It is time to root ethnic bully boys out of Hollywood, so that both Oliver Stone and Mel Gibson, men of surely diverse viewpoints, can have their say without fear of retaliation.

  35. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 16, 2012 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    @yancey ames:

    ” He will conclude that if one cannot criticize Jews, then Jews must be the real rulers of these United States. He will conclude that Jews are throwing their weight around and that maybe that evil man, Adolf Hitler, was on to something. He may even consider that the state of Israel is harming U.S. interests in the Middle East – and that super rich Jews like Haim Saban and their campaign contributions – are one of the reasons for U.S. support of Israel. He may even conclude that enforced silence is one of the big reasons for these abuses – and that perhaps those who enforce silence should themselves be silenced.”

    What exactly is preventing the man in the street from coming to these conclusions NOW?

  36. The Admiral On Horseback's Gravatar The Admiral On Horseback
    October 16, 2012 - 7:15 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Of course not all Jews know what to do.

    It is also important that Jews do behave differently in the Diaspora and in Israel. The difference lies in the fact that Jews are (probably genetically) inclined to identify with a small minority subgroup of society (which in a Gentile society means Jews, but in an all-Jew society could well mean a subgroup of Jews, like Hassidic Jews, or Sephardim, or urban liberal Jews, or whatever), this is one of the reasons why Jews don’t feel themselves so well in Israel, which is why at the very least half a million Israeli citizens live in the US alone (I’m not sure how many of them live in Hungary, but apparently many), and this is the most important reason why Jews cannot really build a successful society. Without external help and a constant inflow of resources (capital, including human capital) their society in Israel would have collapsed a long time ago. It is also a question whether Jews in the US will keep supporting Israel. Long-term Jewish survival depends more on the diaspora than on Israel. However, the best strategy is having an (as large as possible) Israel ethnically cleansed of non-Jews and a strong and influential diaspora.

    I think if Jews would have to choose between the diaspora and Israel, they would choose the former. People like Dr. Finkelstein or Noam Chomsky are embodying this strategy, being “principled” even against Jewish nationalism, thereby strengthening leftist principles. They are actually doing a service to the Jewish cause by controlling the other side of the debate, and also by obscuring the ethnic angle of Jewish activists. “Look, even the most prominent opponents of Israel are also Jews.” (Of course, since everybody else would ruin their livelihoods by doing just 10% of what Finkelstein did.)

  37. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 16, 2012 - 7:42 pm | Permalink

    @omop:
    So sucking baby penises is “free speech” while criticizing Jewish criminal behaviour is “hate speech”? Ah, those Jewish definitions!

    • omop's Gravatar omop
      October 17, 2012 - 1:27 pm | Permalink

      Waddaya expect from a race/religion/homo sapiens that have the arrogance to call themselves “God’s chosen people” and have half the world’s people believe it?

  38. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 16, 2012 - 11:40 pm | Permalink

    The system is cracking. Mainline Protestants criticize Israel:

    Protestants and Zionism

  39. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    October 17, 2012 - 12:01 am | Permalink

    Was it a Syrian Jewish rabbi who stressed the importance of segregation in his New York community in order to prevent gentile values from taking root? Maybe one day Europeans will say the same thing about corrosive Jewish influence. Really “emancipation” has been an unmitigated disaster.

  40. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 17, 2012 - 8:38 pm | Permalink

    @The Admiral On Horseback: Great comment.

  41. October 18, 2012 - 11:24 am | Permalink

    @Molly:
    I agree with Taylor. We should use Righteous Jews, not exclude them. However, we should also make sure they march in lockstep, and really are righteous (i.e., “self-hating Jews”), which Taylor doesn’t have the cojones to do, I think.

  42. October 19, 2012 - 6:55 am | Permalink

    Jews would have to be the worst hypocrites on earth. They are forever whining about the nazis not supporting free speech yet they don’t practice it themselves. EU countries have made it a crime to question the holocaust. http://www.ihr.org/news/irving022006.html Setting up a website such as http://www.holocaustdenier.com will get you jail time. The truth is no defence according to the totalitarian EU.

  43. mark's Gravatar mark
    October 19, 2012 - 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Jews are big supporters of freedom of speech, aren’t they??

    French Jews Threaten Lawsuit Against Twitter for Racist Posts
    http://news.yahoo.com/lawsuit-threat-twitter-pull-racist-posts-131705442–finance.html

  44. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 19, 2012 - 11:37 pm | Permalink

    @Alphonso: Alphonso, it is so strange, that it’s scary. How can someones’ belief, even though they don’t harm anyone, be enough to land them in prison? This fact alone, that people wind up in prison for what is essentially a freedom of speech issue, is enough for me to believe their is something wrong with the holocaust believers.

  45. StuckInBetween's Gravatar StuckInBetween
    October 20, 2012 - 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Posted by Filthy Goyim

    Free speech? Here, in America? Mere illusion of those who share the opinions (or rather indoctrination) of the masses. I lost the supposed “right” so many of my fellow Americans praise themselves for having the moment I awoke. Every comment I posted was either deleted or altered (often in less than flattering ways, damaging my reputation within the community). Just yesterday, I commented of Obamney on yahoo and found my post deleted within 20 seconds. Fast little bastards, aren’t they? Ron Paul taught us all how no matter how high the platform we chose may be, we will not be heard. Free speech my arse.

    Even so-called bastions of free speech are controlled opposition. For example, Alex Jones’ infowars I believe is a Hasbara cointelpro. You can look see how much of a controlled opposition shill Alex is by his video here saying that Hollywood is controlled by Arabs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfyMAYc3XtY.

    All the comments are monitored by what I believe to be Hasbara operatives and possibly the Mossad. You cannot publish anything about Jewish oral law and the Satanic teachings of the Talmud. Alex Jones even banned the word “Jew” in the comments section for a period of time.

  46. mari's Gravatar mari
    October 23, 2012 - 9:29 pm | Permalink

    “CDC found a total of 11 baby Jewish boys in NYC were infected with herpes in the last decade”

    And just how did the rabbis get herpes? Certainly not from their wives on the 13 days a month maritial relations are allowed to the orthodox. Check out the scene under the Williamsburg bridge every evening from about 4 to 7 when the orthodox leave their crooked manhattan businesses and stop off for a quickie before going home to their wives.

    Orthodox men are not allowed to touch any female whatsoever even if the female is under 10 or over 60 for fear the woman many be menstruating. According to jewish standards you see, “women are a pitcher of filth whose lower parts are filled with decayed blood.”

    But according to the orthodox, only jews are human women.
    Non jewish woman like the men, are 2 legged animals.

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