Norman Lear’s “All in the Family” resurfaces

In an argument about Jewish domination of the media, once you get your opponent to admit that yes, Jews do run the media, the usual fall back line is to say that it really doesn’t make any difference. Jews are Americans like everyone else, so we really couldn’t expect anything different no matter who was in charge.

I thought about this reading an LATimes article on the 40th anniversary of Norman Lear’s All in the Family (Norman Lear Recalls ‘All in the Family’s’ Beginning“). The article begins with Lear recounting how proud he is of getting “a reference to sex that would be considered tame today” into the first episode  The show was wildly successful: “The series was brilliant, daring, funny and poignant. Over the seasons, “All in the Family” explored racism, homosexuality, women’s liberation, menopause, impotence, the Vietnam War and the loss of faith. It was the No. 1 series for five years, won 22 Emmys including four for comedy series…”

I remember reading an article about Carroll O’Connor, who played the main character, Archie Bunker, being wildly applauded whenever he went out in public during the height of the show’s popularity. The show was indeed brilliant—brilliant propaganda because it managed to identify ingrain in the American mind the idea that illiberal thinking was a sure sign of being an uneducated buffoon.

It is repeatedly brought out that the main character, Archie Bunker, is uneducated and none too smart—constantly mispronouncing even ordinary words and lacking a basic understanding of geography or history—Lincoln signed the Declaration of Independence, Denmark is the capital of Colorado, and Florida is on the West Coast. But this TV show still shapes current attitudes about people who have a problem with multiculturalism. I found the following posted online by a fan of the show:

This is definitely my favorite show and I am glad that there are re-runs on Nick-At-Nite. One of my favorite episodes is when Archie gets locked in the cellar and is finally “rescued” by a repair man, but Archie is drunk, and he thinks that the repair man is God; little does he now, that the repair man is black! (Not that it matters, but to Archie?!) And when Archie bows down to him and lifts his head to see his “God” the audience roared in laughter as did I. . . . I hope this show remains  on the air for a long time, because I could never get sick of watching All in the Family! (see here)


Identifying racially conscious attitudes with  stupidity is brilliant because the vast majority of White people are insecure about their beliefs. They desperately want to feel that they are on the same page as the New York Times and National Public Radio when it comes to their attitudes on race. I am thinking mainly White people who have college educations or at least some college and who identify with the mainstream media and its opinions. They love to be seen reading the New York Times and can be relied on to spout “enlightened” opinions at the drop of a hat. These days, I suppose there is a similar phenomenon whereby mainstream conservatives like Rush Limbaugh have managed to convince their audience that intelligent people can be conservative, as long as they stay away from serious discussions of immigration and race.

All in the Family convinced a generation of Americans that race didn’t matter, and that changes from homogeneous White neighborhoods constituted “progress”:

Though he was a bigot, Lear said, Archie wasn’t a bad man. Archie’s opinions softened and audiences got to see the man behind the bluster as the series progressed. Archie, Lear said, “was just afraid.” That fear was reflected in the title song, “Those Were the Days,” sung by O’Connor and Stapleton, and written by Charles Strouse and Lee Adams of “Bye Bye Birdie” fame. “Archie was afraid of tomorrow,” Lear said. “That was his big problem. He was afraid of the progress that brought black families into his neighborhood. They wrote a song out of that and it served the show beautifully.”

Illiberal attitudes are the result of irrational fear. Nothing more. An irrational nostalgia about the past that is reflected in the words of Those were the days”:

Boy the way Glen Miller played
Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us we had it made,
Those were the days.
And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men,
Mister we could use a man Like Herbert Hoover again.
Didn’t need no welfare state,
Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee our old LaSalle ran great.
Those were the days.

Of course, the idea that the White working class idolized Herbert Hoover is ridiculous, but that’ s Hollywood. One would certainly have to agree that the case that the best days of the White working class are long gone. Unlike more educated and well-off Whites, the working class can’t move so easily out of ethnically mixed neighborhoods or send their children to well-functioning public schools. The economic changes that have imported a new, predominantly Latino, working class in many parts of the country, the loss of private sector unions, shipping jobs overseas and the loss of social and religious support for the integrity of the family have had devastating effects on the White working class.

But the issue here is whether the values that Lear puts forward reflect those of the wider Jewish community which is well known to be well to the left of Americans. The following is from the Preface to the Paperback Edition of The Culture of Critique:

Perhaps the most important issue Jews and Jewish organizations have championed is cultural pluralism — the idea that the United States ought not to be ethnically and culturally homogeneous. As described in CofC, Jewish organizations and Jewish intellectual movements have championed cultural pluralism in many ways, especially as powerful and effective advocates of an open immigration policy. The media have supported this perspective by portraying cultural pluralism almost exclusively in positive terms — that cultural pluralism is easily achieved and is morally superior to a homogeneous Christian culture made up mainly of white non-Jews. Characters who oppose cultural pluralism are portrayed as stupid and bigoted (Lichter et al. 1994, 251), the classic being the Archie Bunker character in Norman Lear’s All in the Family television series. Departures from racial and ethnic harmony are portrayed as entirely the result of white racism (Powers et al. 1996, 173).

Since Jews have a decisive influence on television and movies, it is not surprising that Jews are portrayed positively in the movies. There have been a great many explicitly Jewish movies and television shows with recognizable Jewish themes. Hollywood has an important role in promoting ‘the Holocaust Industry,’ with movies like Spielberg’s Schindler’s List (1993) and the four-part television miniseries Holocaust(1978), written by Gerald Green, directed by Marvin Chomsky, and produced by Herbert Brodkin and Robert Berger. Both of these films were lavishly promoted by Jewish groups. The promotion for Holocaust in 1978 was remarkable (Novick 1999, 210). The ADL distributed ten million copies of its sixteen-page tabloid The Record for this purpose. Jewish organizations pressured major newspapers to serialize a novel based on the script and to publish special inserts on the Holocaust. The Chicago Sun-Times distributed hundreds of thousands of copies of its insert to local schools. The AJCommittee, in cooperation with NBC, distributed millions of copies of a study guide for viewers; teachers’ magazines carried other teaching material tied to the program so that teachers could easily discuss the program in class. Jewish organizations worked with the National Council of Churches to prepare other promotional and educational materials, and they organized advance viewings for religious leaders. The day the series began was designated ‘Holocaust Sunday'; various activities were scheduled in cities across the country; the National Conference of Christians and Jews distributed yellow stars to be worn on that day. Study guides for Jewish children depicted the Holocaust as the result of Christian anti-Semitism. The material given to Jewish children also condemned Jews who did not have a strong Jewish identity. This massive promotion succeeded in many of its goals. These included the introduction of Holocaust education programs in many states and municipalities, beginning the process that led to the National Holocaust Memorial Museum, and a major upsurge of support for Israel.

In general, television portrays Jewish issues ‘with respect, relative depth, affection and good intentions, and the Jewish characters who appear in these shows have, without any doubt, been Jewish — often depicted as deeply involved in their Judaism’ (Pearl & Pearl 1999, 5). For example, All in the Family (and its sequel, Archie Bunker’s Place) not only managed to portray working class Europeans as stupid and bigoted, it portrayed Jewish themes very positively. By the end of its 12-year run, even archenemy Archie Bunker had raised a Jewish child in his home, befriended a black Jew (implication: Judaism has no ethnic connotations), gone into business with a Jewish partner, enrolled as a member of a synagogue, praised his close friend at a Jewish funeral, hosted a Sabbath dinner, participated in a bat mitzvah ceremony, and joined a group to fight synagogue vandalism. These shows, produced by liberal political activist Norman Lear, thus exemplify the general trend for television to portray non-Jews as participating in Jewish ritual, and ‘respecting, enjoying, and learning from it. Their frequent presence and active involvement underscores the message that these things are a normal part of American life’ (Pearl & Pearl 1999, 16). Jewish rituals are portrayed as ‘pleasant and ennobling, and they bestow strength, harmony, fulfillment, and sense of identity upon those who observe them’ (p. 62)

So yes indeed, it does matter who runs the media. As also noted in the Preface (also a theme of Edmund Connelly’s work on TOO, e.g., here and here), while Jewish interests are suffused in a positive aura, Christian images are often linked with pathologies of various sorts.

So yes indeed, it does matter who runs the media. And it ain’t us.

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285 Comments to "Norman Lear’s “All in the Family” resurfaces"

  1. Paul's Gravatar Paul
    December 3, 2012 - 6:55 pm | Permalink

    @JasonH: That’s a good point, but equality and democracy have gone against us for such a long time. You might want to read up on Jack London. He was a racialist and a socialist. A socialist for white people!

  2. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    November 28, 2012 - 12:26 pm | Permalink


    Why is that allowed? We let them return. We never learn, because of brainwashing to love our enemies.

    There are too many stories to recount how European Emperors were bribed and duped by the jews to persecure their own people.

    We all know the fable of Joseph in Egypt. The story if the prostitute Esther and the king of Persia, possibly Ahasuereus.
    Oliver Cromwell, George Washington, Mass Murderer Abraham Lincoln.

    That is why I see the end of the so-called White Christian European era as a GOOD thing for us and I prefer to call myself a Japhethite, not a White (which means absence of color).

    Anyone read that essay by some Israeli rabbi who WANTS Europe to be taken over by Islam? LOL, the irony of this idiotic Jew wanting to see the end of a religion that has ALWAYS had this tendency to lean toward obsequious, sycophantic philosemitism (and because of this aspect, has allowed the Jews to tamper with it at will) because certain aspects of it ANNOY him is too delicious for words.

    Christianity has been the only buffer between the Jew and all of Islam who wants to hunt him down and kill him (as the Prophet Muhammad PBUH predicts) for centuries. That idiot is not considering that Eurabia means that Islamized Aryans will join the jihadist party, LOL. Whatever. If Japhethite pagans can survive the imposition of that OTHER Semitic creation, Judeo-Christianity, then Islam will be like a freakin’ TONIC. Think Africanized bees.

    In any case, the sooner the Asians (who don’t worship Yahweh and don’t have any real or imagined Holocaust guilt) get their chance to dance with the Jew, the better. It will be better than watching that Alfred Hitchcock movie about the two elderly serial spouse killers hooking up. It will only be a question of whether she slips and drowns in the bathtub before he is poisoned at breakfast.

  3. john thames's Gravatar john thames
    November 11, 2012 - 8:57 pm | Permalink

    I think we should have a new show called “The Goldsteins” about a devout Jewish doctor and his family who specialize in shooting praying Arabs to the applause of Vladimir Jabotinsky Zionists. It gets ten ” Iron Wall of Bayonets” awards by the Psycho Rabbis of Schneerson Committee. The more Arabs who die each episode the more Tivi Livni applauds “Make My Day!” in Gaza.

    “The Goldsteins” make Ruth Ginsberg forget ” The Goldbergs” in New York. Progress has bypassed Senator Joseph McCarthy and shooting Abdullah in the “War on Terror” is more fun than exposing the denist Peress ever was. “The Goldsteins” came too late to up the ratings for the Rosenbergs. But fear not – Torah TV shall always overcome in the end.

  4. thm's Gravatar thm
    November 11, 2012 - 6:07 pm | Permalink


    Hello, BN. I have found your comments here and at other sites to be insightful and interesting. Interesting outfit. Does it keep you warm up there as you practice your new religion? I hope that is does.

    Brother, you sure live in a beautiful area:) I hope that the rarefied air does not bother you.

    I believe you are confusing me with someone else. I don’t know who BN is!

  5. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 11, 2012 - 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the offer but I have been to church today and this is not the proper forum for Biblical discussions.

  6. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    November 11, 2012 - 11:59 am | Permalink


    Oops, I forgot one:

    For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
    – Matthew 19:12

  7. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    November 11, 2012 - 11:54 am | Permalink

    Alice Teller, won’t you join me in a quick bible study? Let’s see what the New Testament has to say about women, the family, and the institution of marriage.


    And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
    – Matthew 19:29

    “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.
    – Luke 14:26

    “Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”
    – Luke 18:29-30

    Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.
    – 1 Corinthians 7:1

    Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is.
    – 1 Corinthians 7:26

    Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife.
    – 1 Corinthians 7:27

    But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.
    – 1 Corinthians 7:28

    What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not;
    – 1 Corinthians 7:29

    But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife—and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
    – 1 Corinthians 7:33-35

    But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved.
    – 1 Corinthians 11:5

    For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.
    – 1 Corinthians 11:6

    A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
    – 1 Corinthians 11:7

    For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
    – 1 Corinthians 11:8

    neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
    – 1 Corinthians 11:9

    Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?
    – 1 Corinthians 11:13

    Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
    – 1 Corinthians 14:34

    If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
    – 1 Corinthians 14:35

    But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
    – 2 Corinthians 11:3

    Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
    – Ephesians 5:22-24

    Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
    – Colossians 3:18

    Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives.
    – 1 Peter 3:1-2

    For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
    – 1 Peter 3:5-6

    A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
    – 1 Timothy 2:11

    I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
    – 1 Timothy 2:12

    For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
    – 1 Timothy 2:13

    And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
    – 1 Timothy 2:14

    These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
    – Revelation 14:4-5

  8. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 10, 2012 - 8:30 pm | Permalink

    In my comment above @Richard I shared some new anti-White commercials that I found.

    And I recently saw another one — another anti-White commercial from State Farm insurance.

    Here it is:

    In the past, I shared a State Farm commercial that is even more anti-White than that one.

  9. omop's Gravatar omop
    November 10, 2012 - 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Talk is definitely cheap. Cause after all the above no one has admitted that an ” all in a [ jewish ] family ” series as Lear’s would or could be made without being attacked as “antisemitic”.

    Rabbi Yosef’s comment that “goyim” are donkeys and made to only serve the chosen is again spot on.

  10. November 10, 2012 - 2:28 am | Permalink

    JasonH (Nov 4 at 2:07 above) raised good questions. First he laments “rightwing” radicals don’t care about common whites. Well, they sure ought to be concerned! Most are!! But some are fronts to appear extreme buffoons &/or get our rising radicals arrested – Hal Turner played this role, for cash hire by FBI, as he later confessed. (He then gave hostile opinions on judges calling to disarm folks, and gave their addresses, which got him put in the Big House! He comes out 2013. Will he shoot straight or be FBI now? Or just vanish? Does anyone know his exact address now?)

    Then Jason laments that pro-whites seem to always be anti-egalitarian and for primacy of a few over the masses. He asks: why can’t they BELIEVE in equality & democracy?

    ANSWERS: 1. Why in the hell would you want to believe in equality, when it is a blatant falsehood? Different types of humans differ greatly, even in their body chemistry! (As doctors are now learning: different folks not only get different problems, but react to drugs differently.) One recent show lamented “racist” ruckus over skin pigment, and we are only a tiny fraction different in DNA. (Was his data about 0.1% – I think so. I’ve seen higher numbers! More like 0.5%.) Well, there is something under a 2% difference between a white human and a chimp, if I remember correclty. A very tiny DNA difference can spell a huge development gap! As a geo-scientist who examined the oldest “human” remains in Africa, I know there is a vast time difference between early “modern man” in Africa and the last human type (white/Aryan/Caucasian). While we may have a bit of “Neanderthal,” the latest astounding data shows black Africans have several percent of a very different genotype, probably archeo-humans, who lived later than previously thought in Africa, and mated late with the African “moderns.”.

    For a year I lived in Kalahari area (doing geology mapping) and saw bushmen (lowest IQ in world: 54) and they really do differ a lot in their life ways and thiking ways!! It is plain ludicrous to assert “all humans created equal.”

    It made lots of sense for Europeans to run their Anglo-Afrikaner/German nation, and supervise the rest, and maintain separateness (“apartheid” in Afrikaans). It worked and all races advanced rather fast during this rather short experiment that prvented chaos now seen.

    But none of this is obvioous if you never saw what I saw, and you spent life in USA watching idiotic propaganda on TV, and from “humanist” so-called “educators.” When I came back to US, I saw a new show “All in the Family”: which I immediately saw as utterly debasing to whites!
    (There was no TV in southern Africa, except Rhodesia. I returned to live there… but Kissinger’s gang forced its death. I left Africa. Salisbury Airport’s washroom wall had a grim slogan: Last one out, turn off the lights.” Mugabe really did let the economy go to total ruin. Power failed. Nowadays white, especially Afrikaners, routinely raped killed. Look it up. Open your eyes. This is USA by 2025.)

    ANSWER 2. Democracy is a religion, not the word of God!
    Democracy is that a bunch of manipulated folks (control is largely via media and “education” to advance in careers the state “licenses” only to chosen educated ones) will occassionally get the feeling they control who runs the show at elections (but all “acceptable” candidates obey the hidden masters of PR – a term coined by Edward Bernays, who wrote a book on it called: Propaganda!) Mostly this “feeling of power” is just to prevent revolts! If folks keep thinking “next time” we’ll win, they may not revolt NOW. But to revolt NOW is the only cure to Obama!

    (By the way, he was born in Kenya, and can’t be President, as white boy Arnold S knew, or he might have run for Pres)

    Democracy is a game plan TO KILL WHITES/CHRISTIANS
    who are a global minority… and democracy aims toward global democracy and unification… the UN ideal (pushed by Alger Hiss a Lefty who stole nuclear bomb secrets etc!)

    But even this is not the end of the whole scenario. If we must reject “humanism” and egalitarianism and democracy then what is to be our Top Principle?

    No, not just “white power.” (Based on what authority?)

    God is the answer! Not just any “god” or religion, but the Scriptures of Christianity INTERPRETED LOGICALLY and not via traditions of twisting from our (white) Identity as Adamites (the last made human type) and Adam is: Son of God! (Ending lineage list Luke 3:23-38) Pre-Adamites are not this group (although some are close proto-Adamites, the “dust” DNA from which God made Adam). This is the key Bible idea never taught in commercial churches! Learn it and know identities and lineages (also who is Satan’s offspring group, another story!) Then learn to obey Bible Law, NOT MANMADE LAW! It is perfect (Ps 19:7) and Jesus never abolished it (Mat 5:17-19) and it empowers us only, who also obey his laws, keep his Sabbaths (a key Sign God seeks, Ezekiel 20:12-20). We’re dumb kids of God and he says he will punish us (using our enemies) to TEACH US!

    * “Seek God’s Face (to “heal our land” 2 Chronicles 7:14)
    Learn his race! (this is part of what his face shows)
    Talk less grace.” (What churching talks about incessantly while ignoring what we are to be doing instead of obeying Obama, Kissinger, ad nauseum.)

    We are to become WARRIORS for God! (eg Luke 19:27)

    “God is love” (1 John 4:8) is part of a complex comment addressed to specific CALLED PERSONS (Adamic family)regarding his love for his family; not all humans or his enemies! (Read all 1John 4:1-11, starting with warning false spirit abound and deceive us!) But 70+ times we find him called LORD OF HOSTS = ARMIES. I wonder why? How many hymns praise his army? Do any rock/pop singers?? Well, why not write and sing such songs NOW? It’s time.

    PS: You cannot obey two masters. (Bible quote and logic!)
    Therefore: You cannot obey Obamanation and God. One will kill you, the other seeks to save you: He returns soon with an army establishing his KINGDOM rule worldwide.

  11. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 9, 2012 - 9:59 am | Permalink

    Right, eventually you’ll trigger the fight or flight mechanism. So far, we’ve chosen flight, but eventually there won’t be any escape, obviously this will happen much sooner in Europe.

  12. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    November 9, 2012 - 8:56 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    What you say about the Palestinians is right. But is it also right for Whites?
    When will there be a White intifada? I don’t see any looming on the horizon.

  13. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 9, 2012 - 3:16 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    …..that 50 years ago they would have been strung up as traitors for their views. I had to say it as a joke…but the implication was pretty clear. And what was the response? How backward things were 50 years ago.
    Obama is not a friend…..but whereas I feel sick just looking at some white politicians for their craven treachery at least Obama isn’t supposed to be loyal to us, and at least he’ll resist an Iran war.
    ….and as I mention….at least with Obama there’s a chance of minorities starting to over play their hand.
    Also fender is wrong about the more you beat someone the more they surrender. That isn’t the experience AT ALL of Empire. Nor is it the experience looking at the Palestinians. From 1967 to 1988 they were relatively peaceful while treated worse and worse by Israelis. Then….Intifada. So it doesn’t work the way fender says.

  14. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 9, 2012 - 3:10 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    The harsh reality is that the Republicans have totally sold out whites. I know a few of those guys.l..they are totally not on planet Earth. I even joked to one that just 50 years ago they wou

  15. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 10:40 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I am afraid you are both right about the GOP caving in and granting Amnesty. I will fight against it, but I fear they will go along with the idea that they must “reach out” to Latinos (Mestizos).

    White people in the South have not traditionally responded as well to slaps in the face. It took a war that killed 700,000 Americans to force their surrender. But, for Whites to survive (and I literally mean survive into the next century) I believe it will take Whites who have loyalty to Whites overall, who appreciate White culture (which means appreciating White people too), and who are willing to be far more aggressive than ever before, willing to take the initiative, willing to push every advantage.

    I can’t see anything short of that working.

  16. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 10:26 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Well, maybe Massa Obama will take care of us White folks and look after our chillin’.

  17. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 1:04 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: Agreed; 100 percent agreed. But compare, too, what I wrote to Alice re John Boehner and the way his behavior, I regret to say, fits fender’s description to a T.

    The government needs to be kept on a starvation diet if peace is to have any chance. With Republicans (just like the Democrats) largely being warmongers for international Jewry’s sake, any cooperation with the idiot in the White House is cause for alarm. Unity means war.

  18. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 8, 2012 - 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Fender, we don’t have the aggressive, obnoxious attitude of the Jews (which is why they call their enemies reactionary) therefore it will take being pushed into a corner to trigger any kind of response. As for ZA, the whites did hold out against enormous odds for decades, without Western and communist subversion, the situation would be very different now.

    Look at what Euro-Americans got in return for mobilizing against the new left via the two party system: Nixon, Ford, Reagan, the Bushes. We won at the ballot and recovered materially, but were led into neocon overseas disasters, cheap labor immigration, globalization, currency devaluation on a massive scale, etc. and failed to recover the means of producing culture. Like Gramsci, Marcuse, et al. theorized, controlling the production of culture is more important than the means of production or political power, especially in our case since the conservatives are into power for power’s sake and European revival.

  19. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 8, 2012 - 12:54 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Besides..the last time we talked about this we didn’t know who would be in the Whitehouse the next four years. Now we do, so presumably you are in the position of thinking I’m wrong but hoping I’m right.

  20. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 8, 2012 - 12:52 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Pierre….yes for sure. Was only tongue in cheek.

  21. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 12:51 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I hold the same hope. All the more reason not to scant looking at the facts. One other hope of mine is that tomorrow’s facts will be more encouraging than today’s.

  22. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 12:47 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: It’s a polite disagreement, Mickey. All of us are reading tea leaves, not examining rocks and fossils.

    Besides, my brain’s size is no more than average. It works out a lot at the local psychogym, however.

  23. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 12:46 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I take your point about politicians but I still (foolishly?) hold out hope that the average white guy will simply snap out of the liberal dream at some point.

    His comment on white women is exaggerated but to the extent is is true I fear it is a consequence of picking a playmate for the evening rather then a husband and father.

  24. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 8, 2012 - 12:44 pm | Permalink


    fender it isn’t about “it needs to get worse”…not on its own.

    It’s about the Republican party have been taken over by the neoconservative ideology which right now want America to ruin itself by embarking on another 10 years of war for Israel.

    The neoconservative vision is much harder for WNs to fight than the increasingly old and discredited liberal vision. The neoconservative vision is EVOLVING right now. There are whole new intellectual movements emerging that are set to supercharge the neocon vision.

    In that specific situation, it is better – not ideal – but better, as in the least worst option, to have Obama in the whitehouse resisting war with Iran while encouraging minorities to overplay their hand. Rather than be sleepwalked to the cliff. And forget fiscal cliff…the one we’re sleep walking toward is a real one.

  25. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 8, 2012 - 12:38 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Pierre – While you may have a brain the size of a planet, you may not have been focusing heavily on these specific matters.

  26. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 8, 2012 - 12:36 pm | Permalink


    Did the jews wait for things to get bad for them before they organized and attacked? Or are they always organized and always attacking 24/7?

    This whole idea of “it needs to get worse for Whites to wake up” is absolute suicide. People who subscribe to this don’t understand psychology. If you keep beating a person down he’s eventually going to break, and that’s what’s going to happen to Whites as long as things get worse. Sure, some Whites will react but that reaction will be disorganized and easily stamped out by those in power.

    Whites have a fanatical need to be moral, and as long as their racial destruction and displacement is seen as moral, they’re going to go along with it. It doesn’t matter one bit how many Whites are raped and murdered, Whites will meekly go along with this program to its bitter, genocidal end. Look at South Africa: thousands of Whites murdered and they still haven’t woken up, and they never will.

    Whites need to believe that what they’re doing is good. They respond to positive ideas, not negative ones. If we’re always being beaten in everything we’re going to become weaker and weaker. If you want to a rally a people you need to convince them of their goodness. Somehow, Whites need to realize being pro-White is the ultimate moral good. Then things will change for the better.

  27. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 12:34 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I agree, but see my comment just below yours. On the other hand, even more probative of your point is this comment, on the ethnocentrism thread, where his breathtaking misstatement about white women and girls leaves one wondering, among several other even less appetizing things, whether he has any sisters or has ever had a girlfriend.

  28. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 8, 2012 - 12:33 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    This is fairly easy to answer based on KM and other peoples work.

    Perceived interests – almost always harmful to Whites – are a better predictor of Jewish behaviour than abstract principle (of any sort).

    In America the historic interest has been to support liberal causes.

    In Israel the interest is totally different, and where America is concerned involves getting Iran bombed.

    Obama has fallen out with Netanyahu and is proving a stubborn mule on Iran….so while Obama is good for the historic interests of American Jews he is bad for the interests of neoconservative and Israeli Jews.

    It is neoconservative and Israel-loyal Jews who control the some of the most powerful Washington they are focused on the Israeli interest. The other organizations such as ADL and so on, are more configured to support the historic interest of displacing whites and buffering the ascendency of the Jewish group to elite status in America.

    The implication of this internal contradiction is that organized Jewry is going to be going through major changes….the Right/israel side need the historically liberal side to start shifting to the neoconservative world view. GOP has been taken over already to facilitate this and there are even advanced plans to take over the WN end of the spectrum (e.g. the English Defense League in the UK).

    As KM has said many times…the hardline/right-wing tend to win these internal conflicts, so that should be how we expect this one to pan out.

    It so happens that having worked this through for long enough, WNs *should* recognize that it’s actually better to have Obama if that makes a war less likely because a war will spill our blood while leaving israel vastly stronger. Which is bad for us, because israel has subverted the USA through its lobbies and loyal progeny.

    While for the same money, seeing white faces in power has no real meaning when they are totally prostrated to Israel which Romney is. Whereas with Obama in power the “minorities” are encouraged to overplay their hand and actually help wake whites up before it’s too late.

  29. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 12:20 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Your question is good, but Mickey might just as well reply, “Why did only 69% of Jews vote for Obama?”

    I am with you, rather than Mickey or Marcus, in this matter incidentally. I consider Obama’s rebelliousness nothing but a pose designed to shore up his support on the non-Jewish far Left; it probably was masterminded by someone reporting directly to Abe Foxman.

    As for whether the slap to whites will wake them up or knock them out, I fear that the early news from the paddock favors fender’s outlook. When given the chance to stand up for the folks who kept the House in Republican hands, did John Boehner do so? Fat chance of that! He adopted the submissive pose to Obama’s alpha dog and placed tax increases back on the table. Since the single thing the imperial presidency still can’t do is subvent its own money to pay off its Jewish paymasters and minority layabouts, the majority in the House still has significant authority—but it has to be willing to use it.

  30. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Is there no end to your slander of white folks? It is really getting old.

  31. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 8, 2012 - 12:11 pm | Permalink

    @Fender, you’re far off the mark: most people (I think especially whites because of the greater emphasis on hard work, loyalty, etc. we don’t sit around all day and have nothing to lose like Muslims) simply will not have any desire to “rock the boat” of the status quo unless things get very, very uncomfortable. Increased material prosperity and superficial stabilization under a repub. regime would make this nearly impossible, and we would get even more massive immigration as businesses try to maximize profits. Look at history, the great revolutions and other convulsions have always been triggered by war, humiliation, or economic collapse.

  32. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 8, 2012 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I hear what you are saying and think there are advantages to the GOP losing – mainly that it wakes Whites up.

    “Nor do I even see evidence that Zionist Jews are even the worst of the Jews. The Leftist, Liberal Jews are much more Anti-White, and that is my concern.”

    All jews are bad for us. For our own good we need to make sure that no jews have power anywhere in the world.

    “Mainly that many Whites needed to slapped in the face with the fact that they can no longer win under the old rules. They need to face the crucial demographic changes.”

    When Whites get slapped in the face they become even more submissive. This is why I was hoping for a Romney victory, for its symbolic value. A Romney victory would have energized Whites. This Obama victory has sunken Whites deeper into depression and submission, which is exactly what the jews and non-whites wanted.

  33. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 8, 2012 - 10:49 am | Permalink

    Mickey I think you’re right: I like Obama winning since he is less likely to go to war with Iran or Syria. Also I am thinking “the worse, the better,” as Lenin said. Economic stagnation, anti-white quotas, and generally more aggressively displacement policies of Obama will make us less complacent and more willing to stand up to the regime. On top of that, the stagnation will hopefully mean less immigration. Republican victories will give the impression that things are improving, when in reality the frustrations of the majority are just being diverted to material improvement (accompanied by more immigration).

  34. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    November 8, 2012 - 10:39 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: You are totally correct , Jason. I dislike the anti-whites out there, including the white Uncle Jeromes and their fellow supporters. Additionally, this election so far has opened the eyes of many whites to the demographic changes that have permanently burrowed there way into our once great nation.
    Many people have said to me that the nation is going downhill at a steady pace now. I told them it has been going downhill for awhile, you just didn’t notice it until now. They now see demographics as destiny – that massive third world immigration is a permanent change to the USA, that we are doomed to a transformation into a Brazil like state.
    To have a good life in America, you need to be young looking for your age, thin, and rich. Everyone else is just a peasant to be used and discarded. The real change is that middle class whites are worthless baggage, tolerated only for taxpayments, and considered worthy targets of revenge for what rich whites supposedly did to minorities.

    Let me just say for the record that the United States government sucks, and formally displays its hate for me as a white man every chance it gets. Any of you clinging to a nostalgic love of your country need to open your eyes to the reality that your own government is the greatest threat to your liberty, just like the founding white men of this country told everyone 230 something years ago.

  35. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 8:59 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    I guess my other question would be: Why did Jews vote 69% for Obama?

  36. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 8:58 am | Permalink


    You think? Rather too much the leading player, I think (☺). Besides, neither Bazarov nor the look-alike Belyaev (A Month in the Country) falls down the stairs.

  37. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 8:27 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Yes, but the subversion of American institutions is not the sole work of Israel, NeoCons or Israel Lobby. That is a project supported by activist Jews across the board, some of them very liberal who I would not call Zionist. Some of them very much like the ones Obama surrounds himself with.

    There is a reason Jews gave a vast amount of money to Obama. Romney got a lot too, but not half as much as Obama.

    Beyond that, the subversion of American institutions goes back before Israel existed. Now, most of the subversives were Jewish Communists to be sure, but they were sometimes Zionists, sometimes not.

    I don’t think of Israel, Zionists, and Cultural Marxists as always the same people (although they can be). But the Zionists are much more likely, as Zionists, to want to manipulate America the way countries always manipulate each other. It is the Jewish Cultural Marxists that want to destroy freedom and Whites for it’s own sake.

    As people have noted, conservative Zionists tend to be the least Anti-White of the Jews. Beyond that, I am starting to find it a little too convenient for us all to find ALL and EVERY form of evil to be ONLY the Jews. Which is why I prefer the term Anti-White. At it’s heart, my enemies are Anti-Whites, whether they are Jews or whether they are race-traitor college girls that demonstrate against White Male Privilege.

  38. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 8, 2012 - 8:05 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    The British and all the others never tried to permanently subvert free American institutions nor destroy American culture and life, nor rob the descendents of Americans of their safety and nation (their lives).
    Countries and peoples manipulate oneanother but the manipulations fall into different categories. There is the purely exploitative behaviour when one group – defined by seeing itself as separate, breaks up and consumes the lifeforce of another group.
    Then there are the manipulations between groups that for whatever reason (usually just respect from power) work together and leave oneanother either stronger or intact.

    ALL the cases fall into the second category save for one.

    Now…if we want to go the other way and look at what we’ve done….we Europeans…to other groups, then sure…we did it and did it terribly to many other groups.

    But not to the group that seeks our destruction now. They have always been hostile to us…it’s codified in their spoken and unspoken tribal traditions going back 2000 years.

  39. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 7:51 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Doesn’t it make you sick to your stomach even thinking about the fact your freedoms and goverrnment have been subverted by a foreign power with the support of its ethnic progeny whom you had every right to regard as countrymen?

    Yes. I tell conservatives all the time that NeoCons just come up with new ways to kill Southern Whites in wars. Now, being manipulated by foreign powers is not new here in the US. We have, in this century alone, been manipulated by the British (twice), Arabs and Jews (many times by both), and the Russians. And sometimes we were in big wars like Vietnam that cost over 50,000 American lives that didn’t seem to be for anyone’s benefit (although there was the domino theory).

    We also have done a fair amount of aggressive activity in the Philippines and actually took over a place called Hawaii and made it a state! But, in those cases there was some justification from self-interest.

    For me, there is something off about the “anti-Zionist” project, as far as being pro-White. I agree with cutting off all aid and stopping wars for their behalf. I’m just not against Israel’s existence. I’m not for it either, that is their problem.

    So, does it bother me that we get manipulated into wars for their behalf – yes. But, I can think of things Obama represents that are more dangerous to Whites in the long run. I don’t think of Obama as a benefactor. He has deep contempt for Whites. He is putting a health care system in place that will add 20-30 million illegals soon, and make Whites have to wait for health care.

    He is running up huge debts that Whites will pay for. His mother was a race traitor that hated White men, his father a communist that hated Whites, and he absorbed all that. So no, I don’t get happy thoughts looking at him.

  40. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    November 8, 2012 - 7:41 am | Permalink

    Joe Scarborough on MSNBC’s Morning Joe says, “All Latinos are good conservative Catholics.” 11/8/12


  41. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 8, 2012 - 7:03 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    It’s not as if your people have hatefully tried to take over Israel and make its young go to war and be killed for your ethnic goals, so it’s hard to see where you are going with the suggestion some of us are hostile to Israel for its own sake. We’re not. We have never been. It has always been the other way around, involving them hating us not us hating them.
    Doesn’t it make you sick to your stomach even thinking about the fact your freedoms and goverrnment have been subverted by a foreign power with the support of its ethnic progeny whom you had every right to regard as countrymen?
    Isn’t it pro-White to be viscerally hostile to the idea of such a foreign agent causing thousands of young white men and women to die believing they fight for their people when really it is a terrible lie and they die for another people hostile to their own?
    Voting for Obama JUST to prevent that war is an amazingly pro-white thing to do.

  42. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 6:45 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    In my best hopes the reason he won was because enough WNs in each state saw things clearly enough to vote for him. That would say something amazing about WNs.

    I know that Romney got more White vote than McCain. You have the BNP in England that at least gets some numbers, but we don’t have anything like that here.

    We do the have the A3P that is mentioned on this site, but I assume it didn’t get on the ballot anywhere. And it seemed to back off being pro-White in any explicit sense. So, I don’t think WN had much influence – I am not sure there are very many as of yet.

    You are right, of course, that the sooner White realize other groups are voting as a group, and often banding together AGAINST Whites, the better.

  43. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 6:22 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    I hear what you are saying and think there are advantages to the GOP losing – mainly that it wakes Whites up.

    But many of you see Israel as THE center of Evil in the world; I don’t. My life goal isn’t to do harm to Israel. Nor do I even see evidence that Zionist Jews are even the worst of the Jews. The Leftist, Liberal Jews are much more Anti-White, and that is my concern. Yes, they overlap, and NeoCons are what they are, but there are other problems with Dems ruling and appointing Supreme Court.

    For example, gun rights. Right now they are safe, but it is only a matter of time before they find a way to weaken them. Or new Hate Law restrictions that will shut sites like this down, and create records of everyone who ever posted here. This can be done through Supreme Court rulings and regulatory agencies.

    But, there are great advantages to the GOP loss. Mainly that many Whites needed to slapped in the face with the fact that they can no longer win under the old rules. They need to face the crucial demographic changes.

    But, I’m just not a left wing style WNs who obsesses over Israel. I’m pro-White. I’m not interested in visiting with Occupy Wall Street thugs or building groovy coalitions with browns and blacks against “The Jew”, or whatever the current WN whack off fantasy is.

  44. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 8, 2012 - 6:13 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    An Obama 2nd term is the best outcome for WN’s, because the Republicans are totally infested by neoconservatives….i.e. agents for Israel.

    It isn’t enough to vote for a white face…not in a situation like this involving a total inside takeover. What does the foreign country want? A war….American blood spilled and another trillion dollar invoice going to the American taxpayer.
    Obama in the Whitehouse doesn’t guarantee there won’t be a war but it is the best bet out of him and Romney. Not because Obama is a good man so much as Obama has a bee in his bonet be cause of the way Netanyahu treated him, and Obama is the kind of personality who has a deep need to quietely get even. He’ll cut off his own nose if that’s the only way to get payback. And that makes him a psychologically hard man to bully.
    That’s why he’s the best bet for WNs right now, and that’s why the Jewish/Israeli Right hate his guts and did everything they could to run him out.
    They failed…and the reason why they failed is because Obama can get the minority vote out. That may not be good for WNs but then again neither is the status quo of sleep walking to things even worse imagining we are still a majority in anything more than just the paper it is written on.
    The absolute best hope is that the future comes early…that whites see EARLY how other groups behave as groups, vote in blocks, seek their own interests, do not recognize the common interest in anything more than the paper such words are written on.
    Coming early while whites are still a majority is the best hope. Because if whites become their own voting block – explicitly not implicitly – then this nightmare will end.

    And for the same money the neoconservatives and israel are at least obstructed as much as possible. Obama because of his nature and that bee in his bonet is the right man for WNs for all those reasons. In my best hopes the reason he won was because enough WNs in each state saw things clearly enough to vote for him. That would say something amazing about WNs.

  45. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 1:57 am | Permalink


    I think the challenge to the RINOs is great and I am glad they are gone. Going forward, I just want people to pay attention to the candidates we put up to replace them. It is not only a matter checking off issues. The candidate should also have some experience and political skills

  46. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 1:48 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    It’s not 1955 anymore. I suspect this illusion persists for most White people, even people much younger than any of us. I heard a White girl refer to “minorities” the other day, in a context that made it sound like her little world was somehow safe from the coming onslaught. She lived in an almost all-White area and it is as if no one sees what is going on and is about to happen.

    We have about 100 to 120 million brown and black people in the US. And they skew young. I was in a major Texas city last month and maybe 30% of the people I saw were White. The rest were Hispanic, Asian, Black and Indian.

    And come on now, you cannot have lived through the 60s and honestly think that “sexual liberation” hasn’t rippled through all of society decades ago.

  47. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 12:46 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I can’t go down that road with you. I hear your message on smart phrasing – I was simply jarred by the generation gap in what constitutes a decent and a creepy guy these days.

  48. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 8, 2012 - 12:24 am | Permalink

    @MG135019: It wasn’t just the Franks, it was the Greeks holding off the Arabs for 500 years as well. And the German Empire of that time was explicitly Christian. Go to Aachen if you don’t believe me.

  49. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 8, 2012 - 12:22 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: To be honest, I don’t think allowing legalized abortions of mulatto babies is going to prevent mongrelization. I think that extreme social disfavor should be shown to any miscegenation whatsoever. White girls shouldn’t be socializing with black men, period.

    That said, I still think abortion is wrong. From a purely racialist perspective, given our impending demographic peril, no (fully) white babies should ever be aborted. I think of Serbia, Greece, and Russia, with some of the highest abortion rates in the world, and some of the lowest population growth. It’s a scandal really. So from a purely racial perspective we should be against abortion among our own.

    I could argue further… but this isn’t a theology group.

    I will admit though, that based on my Christian beliefs, I do have different moral imperatives in my behaviors toward other races than perhaps some of you do. For example, I wouldn’t bomb or attack African countries to take their resources, I would generally seek to live in peace with other races (but on terms that we control our own destiny and culture), etc. But I don’t see any of those as dysgenic or bad for us collectively. At worst you could see them as superfluous.

  50. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 11:55 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Good point. Political Correctness is our religion. It is a state sponsored religion, with the power of law to enforce it’s edicts.

  51. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 11:50 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I would love to have more abortions in the black and brown community. I don’t consider it “murder”. I was subjected to all of those arguments and they don’t pass any logical test for me.

    But beyond that, I think NO EXCEPTIONS even in the case of rape, even if it’s a just a few cells, has always been considered fairly extreme (I hope).

    The general population seems to be mixed on abortion but most want it available early on. What I am shocked by is the complete lack of political awareness by people running for office.

    “If your daughter is raped by a Negro I will make her carry it to term”, is not a good campaign slogan.

  52. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 11:33 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:
    It sure seems like a loser to me. Nor do I understand the point. Christianity is no longer our national religion. The sad, tortured step-child of liberalism has taken over. Racist, sexist, xenophobe, homophobe and so on merely consist of accusations of heresy. Seems to me they are picking a fight with the wrong crowd.

  53. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 11:23 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I suppose that this will date me beyond redemption, but I can actually remember when the creep was the man who wanted you to have an abortion. Now it defines the decent man?

  54. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 8:34 pm | Permalink


    I would have voted for both Akins and Mourdoch if I were able – eagerly. I most certainly wish they had been elected. But what I am saying is a better candidate who didn’t go off into rape/abortion talk could have won both those seats.

    It’s not that it would change MY vote, it’s that is will obvious hurt THEM in the general election. I don’t agree with their positions, but I would still vote for them. If you notice, I never criticized them until after they lost. But they lost.

    I don’t wanna lose if possible. It’s not correct to act like there is no such thing as a conservative that could have won those two seats – or the one two years ago in 2010. There are, after all, conservative senators who get elected. But they generally have some political skill.

  55. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 6:49 pm | Permalink

    P.S. Where I live the place is infested with Protestant Evangelistic Fundamentalist Zionist Christians who worship Israel and are obsessed with it for their own reasons which do not serve us well.

  56. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 6:46 pm | Permalink

    You made some very interesting observations. In Scandinavia, one does not even have the right to keep other people off of one’s own land. I know that you were speaking in a more general sense but even in the specific local level such people have no respect for property rights.
    I think that what I rail against could be called a misapplication of Christianity. I just don’t find that ORGANIZED religion suits me personally. That is not to say that I am not religious.
    On the immigration issue it is important to consider the point made by William R. Hawkins in Importing Revolution: Open Borders and the Radical Agenda, written back in 1994.

  57. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Obama is planning to implement an internal security force capable of defeating the entire U.S. military. What he wants is an American version of the infamous Soviet N.K.V.D. The threat that Obama poses for our people cannot be overstated.

  58. JIm's Gravatar JIm
    November 7, 2012 - 6:23 pm | Permalink


    “Speaking of another poster’s comment, perhaps it is just an illogical and unfortunate interpretation of Christianity, currently popular, which has gelatinized the backbone of most American and European Christians. You only have two cheeks to turn.”

    That’s true. When I attended public hearings about illegal immigration at our state capital last year, I was surprised to see so many collar wearing clerics speaking out for the “rights” of illegals (which included in-state college tuition and free prenatal care). I was also surprised to see that few or none of them were Catholic or black. Liberal white Presbyterians or Episcopalians were the rule. Talk about a “co-opted movement”, as you say.

    A local Methodist church displayed a banner that said “God’s love knows no borders”. I felt that I should maybe get a tent so that I could “occupy” on their front lawn for a few weeks, and then see how they feel about borders, boundaries and property lines.

  59. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Here is a good article about why Obama won. I, for one, am very unhappy about this event. I do not espouse the Zionist leanings of many at the site of this particular article but I think that a lot of the analysis of Obama’s win and Romney’s loss is spot-on except for the lack of importance placed on massive vote fraud. Where did all of those extremist leftists get their ridiculous devotion to government force being used to promote “fairness” anyway?

  60. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 4:53 pm | Permalink

    P.P.S. I happen to think that Steppe nomads are interesting. I also like to read about the Viking era and the Germanic migrations in Europe. The Celtic peoples interest me. As for the Khazars and Jews, it is only important to us (in my humble opionion;) insofar as it impacts the ridiculous land claims to Middle Eastern lands by modern Zionists and the problems that it causes for White people and the harm that it does to the whole world.

  61. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 4:45 pm | Permalink

    P.S. The Muslims conquered Christian Iberia (the Iberian Peninsula, Spain and Portugal) because one Christian King was having a conflict with another Christian King and so he made the always fatal mistake of asking non Christian, non European, BERBER MUSLIMS for military aid. Hmm, some Christian unity. Tariq the Berber accepted the invitation of one Christian to attack another Christian and Tariq took the opportunity afforded by CHRISTIAN DISUNITY to conquer most of the Iberian Peninsula. The base in Spain was used to lauch the attacks in France against the Franks. The same thing happened in Ireland except that the invaders who were invited to intercede in internecine squabbles were Normans and were Christians themselves. One Christian was fighting anther and invited an outsider to help. This was Christian disunity. It is an interesting point. However, the main point at this forum, in my humble opionion;) is how we Whites can defend our interests and survival and what is hampering us. Misinterpretation of the turn the other cheek philosophy is hampering us.

  62. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 4:35 pm | Permalink

    P.S. I never said that Christianity didn’t hold Europe together and prevent a Muslim conquest of Europe BECAUSE… No. Straw man argument for easy debate. Dishonest tactic. I think that the Franks held Western Europe and not because of Christianity but simply because they were a powerful confederation. However, that is not essential to my point and the only thing that is important at this forum. How to deal with attacks and existential threats to White Euro-Americans!

  63. Rudd's Gravatar Rudd
    November 7, 2012 - 4:29 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon
    How awful to give away our age group..A fellow Vietnam vet..
    I thought there was something I liked about you besides your debating skills.

  64. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 4:23 pm | Permalink


    Now you’ve heard it all? It is not such an outlandish proposition. But frankly, I do not care that much about such things. However, it is not demonstrable that it was Christianity that allowed the Franks to decisively defeat the Muslim invaders. It isn’t just a matter of one specific instance but of a general powerful deterrent to Muslim expansion. I am not invested in the notion, however. I simply do not care. I do not care about the issue of a specific Khazar action against the Sassanid Persians, either. What I care about are the stand-down orders currently observed by certain sheepish Christians. My criticism is of the current interpretation of Christianity among many that prevents us from even defending ourselves. I believe in freedom. Do what you think is right. If you think stifling passivity is the way to go, then go that way. I just happen to think that it is wrong for us. I happen to think that such a notion should be considered.

    It is widely accepted that the Khazar Empire itself, during most of its existence, halted the expansion across the Caucasus of the Muslims. Yes, I am aware that Leo the Isaurian, a.k.a. Leo the Khazar was half Khazar. He was a Christian, though. As I said, I do not care about that in the face of a current existential threat.

    You are using straw man arguments, putting words in my mouth in order to argue against easy points. The leftists have also been doing a lot of that lately. I simply do not care about these issues that much. What I do care about is that Whites are in complete passive stand-down mode and are thus supporting existential threats to the point of voting for them. I tend to believe the writer (sorry, I’ll have to research who it was) who said that a second Obama Presidency will completely destroy America. The stand down mode was facilitated by their overly passive INTERPRETATION of Christianity. That is what I care about. In short: STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS WHITE PEOPLE!

  65. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 7, 2012 - 4:05 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius: Yep, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES–an appropriate mantra, for millions of European-Americans if ever there was one.

  66. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Hello, BN. I have found your comments here and at other sites to be insightful and interesting. Interesting outfit. Does it keep you warm up there as you practice your new religion? I hope that is does.

    Brother, you sure live in a beautiful area:) I hope that the rarefied air does not bother you.

  67. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 7, 2012 - 3:55 pm | Permalink

    @MG135019: Now I’ve heard it all. Christianity didn’t really hold Europe together because Leo the Isaurian was able to bribe the Khazars to attack the Arabs. (Incidentally, I think you’re confusing this more minor event with when Heraclius bribed the Khazars to attack the Persians in the early 7th. c)

  68. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 7, 2012 - 3:50 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Are there any senators save maybe Rand Paul who pursue the political goals of most of us?

    If they didn’t get Mourdock on the abortion issue, it would have been something else. Who cares what a senator thinks about abortion?? It is totally irrational, it’s not a senate issue.

  69. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 3:49 pm | Permalink


    But I fully support getting rid of the “moderate” types like Lugar and I am still glad he was challenged and defeated. It sends a message.

  70. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Yes, perhaps I failed to communicate, or even identify as an important point, the sincerity of Constantine’s faith. I have serious doubts about his sincerity and faith also. I don’t doubt that a powerful movement was co-opted. Enemies of freedom and individuality do it constantly. The Gnostics call such creatures “Archons.” Enemies of spiritual freedom. It is one of their main strategies. Look at the Tea Party movement. It started out as a movement of libertarians and paleo-conservatives and it quickly got co-opted by neocons. Look at the Occupy movement. It started out as a crowd of disenchanted young people who were angry about their lack of a voice and their poor economic prospects. They didn’t know how to identify the perpetrators of their situation due to the extreme leftist indoctrination, brainwashing, reeducation. Consequently, a bunch of marxist extremists took power, took over the leadership of the movement and immediately instituted reeducation protocols like mindless chanting to get the sheep all heading in the same direction. They immediately supported the very causes of their own problems. An example would be illegal and legal (for example, H1B visas) immigration, especially of non-whites. They immediately started using their disingenuous “racism” atom bomb to silence all opposition to what became a truly marxist movement in spirit and in name. They quickly SUPPORTED the militant marxist anti-White [as evidenced by his own? (Bill Ayers, ghost-writer and unpunished violent communist terrorist extraordinaire) writings] Barak Obama, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro, the ineligible so-called President with an obviously faked birth certificate, the undocumented President, who is enabled by selective enforcement of laws and constitutional procedure, a known tool of immoral and illegal regimes (think of the famous selective enforcement of one Eric Holder who proudly explained in Congressional hearings that the so-called hate crimes law, actually a thought crimes law, communism through and through, and yes, think about the Ukrainian Holocaust when you consider the ramifications of this) was to protect only certain groups but not white men. It is a pernicious piece of anti-American, anti-Constitutional, anti-White illegal legislation, but it was not expressly written to exclude white men. Eric Holder and this Zimbabwean style regime headed by the Caudillo Obama has used selective enforcement of the thought crime legislation. The cowards in congress acquiesced. They sold all white males out completely, yet again.

    Speaking of another poster’s comment, perhaps it is just an illogical and unfortunate interpretation of Christianity, currently popular, which has gelatinized the backbone of most American and European Christians. You only have two cheeks to turn. Jesus Christ did not require the perpetual turning of the other cheek. That would be Hell, wouldn’t it? Isn’t it?

    I suspect that Charles Martel and the powerful Franks would have turned the Muslims back at Tours even if the Franks had maintained their pagan beliefs. It might make an interesting sci-fi alternative history, or maybe it has already been done. The much maligned (at this site) Khazars, perhaps a Turkic-Finno Ugrian-Iranic (Sarmatic or Scythic) confederation, multi-ethnic confederations were common in the Eurasian Steppes, allied with the Byzantines, are commonly believed to have prevented Muslim conquests of Southeastern Europe through the Caucasus Mountains. By the way, Turks are not all of Mongoloid racial type, the mostly Mediterranean-type (hard to tell a Turkoman from a Hebrew) Turkomans, Turkmen, are an example. The Turkmen are a Turkic people. The origins of the Turkic peoples are somewhat enigmatic. I despise lies about history (like washing the Khazar conversion under the table) as much as the next guy.
    Perhaps the real question of the role of Christianity as it applies to our (Whites’) subjugation lies in the interpretation, as I mentioned above. No, we do not need to go back to historical European religions. Perhaps one needs to recognize that supporting ones own people is the most moral approach. It is just like favoring and supporting your own family.
    I didn’t mean to blame all White women for the atrocity, the Caudillo, in the Whitehouse either. I just blame the emotional groupie mentality among many of those of them who voted for him, and ably described above by other posters, and the self back patting “we raised the poor, abused black man to the most powerful office in the world” mentality that is so prevalent. Equally disgusting is the “Black men are cool and savvy” notion. The cool Mack Daddy. That is irrational suicide, to say the least. It smacks of willingly participating in snuff porn. It is sickening.

  71. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 3:46 pm | Permalink


    I agree Lugar deserved to be defeated. But Mourdock didn’t win, so what was gained? We’ve had a string of iffy people come forward who didn’t seem to know what they were doing and lost. There are at least 3 or 4 senate seats that should be in GOP hands now. Perhaps someone similar to Mourdoch, but not a guy who believes if someone’s sister is raped she must be forced to have the baby. Good Lord.

  72. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 7, 2012 - 3:43 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: And then, as quickly as that happened, the media–from Tina Fey, to Jon Stewart, to the local papers–provoked an extreme emotional reaction in the women of the state and put someone who will be just as bad as Lugar in the Senate.

  73. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 7, 2012 - 3:41 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Well, I’m not changing my beliefs, and I’m not going to give up on working for a future wherein white people control their own destiny. So you’re going to have to find some way to co-exist with people like me. (hint, incessant agitation isn’t helpful)

    Another thing to consider. Once people’s Christian beliefs are broken particularly Catholics and Orthodox, what happens to them? People like you who feel compelled by our collective interests are a tiny minority. Most of them become Christian Lander type cyphers. I can’t tell you how disheartening it is to see how people, many of them friends I grew up with, reacting to this election as if THEY will somehow benefit from it.

  74. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 7, 2012 - 3:31 pm | Permalink


    The secular/Dawkins-style atheism is indeed a disaster, and I have nothing but contempt for those people. They’re nihilists and egalitarians (two sides of the same coin) and ironically ignore science when it comes to racial matters.

    But the choice is not between Christianity and Dawkins-atheism. The choice is between being pro-White and anti-White. If I condemn Christianity it’s only because a) it routinely fails to solve the jewish problem or b) it causes more harm than good.

  75. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 7, 2012 - 3:31 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius: p.s. The “Tea Party” only has themselves to blame, because they should have created a THIRD PARTY. How stupid are conservatives that still think the establishment Republicans will do one single thing for them?? Pretty stupid.

  76. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 7, 2012 - 3:28 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius: Richard Lugar is another example of white stupidity. This clown has been betraying European-American interests for as long as he has been a “conservative”. God bless, will stupid euro-Amerians ever learn. I guess they FINALLY, did when they FINALLY, ousted his A–.

  77. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 7, 2012 - 3:14 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Richard Lugar, whom Mourdock defeated in the GOP primary, voted to confirm Kagan and Sotomayor, was pro-war, and pro-immigration.

    He was a ‘moderate’ Republican lauded by the media (despite the fact that in theory, he was a pro-life as Mourdock).

    You can roll your eyes at Mourdock all you want, but he was exactly the type of senator that we needed.

    The Tea Party is over, they have been discredited. That is an opportunity, but it isn’t in itself a good thing. The damage done in the next four years might be irreversible.

  78. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 7, 2012 - 3:10 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: I was thinking more Bazarov from Turgenev’s “Fathers and Sons.”

  79. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 7, 2012 - 3:09 pm | Permalink

    @fender: And how are secular societies doing against them?

    I’m willing to work with atheists and pagans so long as they share a commitment to Western Civilization. If they hate everything our culture has produced for the past 2000 years and are complete nihilists, then what exactly are we fighting for?

    In post after post, you seem more anti-Christian than pro-white.

  80. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 7, 2012 - 3:09 pm | Permalink

    @Gerd Reinhard: Gerd, first of all, will you leftists ever learn that informed people don’t believe your “numbers” any longer? With the left, it’s always “hundreds of millions” etc. Second, why not retire yourself to the “counterculture” areas that leftists frequent like Vale, or Boulder Colorado,etc. Don’t worry about not being able to get argyle socks and sweaters. They can easily be ordered from Boston, Mass, nowadays. However, since,there are plenty of anti-white Starbucks in Colorado by now,(Starbucks has decided to focus on “minority” hiring) don’t expect to get a part-time job as a “Barista”, while your’e there.

  81. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 7, 2012 - 3:05 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Ad hominems, my Aunt Fanny. It’s called drawing conclusions from facts in evidence. You sneer at, snarl at, and insult everyone in sight, and now you complain when you’re addressed accordingly.

    Put aside that favorite author of all alienated students, Nietzsche, for two hours, fender. Use the time to read Chekhov’s Cherry Orchard. If you read it with eyes wide open, you ought to recognize yourself in the character Trofimov.

  82. Gerd Reinhard's Gravatar Gerd Reinhard
    November 7, 2012 - 2:36 pm | Permalink

    @ fender
    @ Franz
    It is just hopeless!
    These brainwashed Christians even ignore what there Leaders
    tell them.
    Benedikt on the Jews: Our father in the faith. We can read the New Testament only together with what precedet it, otherwise, we would completely fail to understand it. He is also always confirming his unwavering commitmend to Israhell and the Jewish world.
    Pope John Paul called them our elder brothers.

  83. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 1:26 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Thanks Jason, you gotta love a man who takes a hit and comes out fighting. Well done!

  84. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 7, 2012 - 1:21 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Throw all the ad hominems around you want. It doesn’t change the fact that your people- Christian conservatives- have lost every battle against the jews you ever fought. Until you cast your Christian morality, chivalry and sense of “honor” and “fairness” aside and become every bit as ruthless and merciless as the jews are, you will always lose against them.

  85. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 1:16 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    You are many things, Pierre, but never tiresome. If I do have the qualities you describe I must attribute it to a very old-fashioned reliance on faith and family as the source of self-esteem. My mother, who was not nearly as indulgent as my father, would respond to my cries of “it is not fair” with “that’s right, life is not fair, find your own strengths”.

    Thank you for pouring a little balm on my poor, saddened heart. I am going to go dream of better days when we produced more men who reminded us of eternal truths.

    “If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
    – Samuel Adams

  86. JIm's Gravatar JIm
    November 7, 2012 - 12:36 pm | Permalink


    “it is well-known that the EMPEROR Constantine made that Semitic offshoot of Judaism [Christianity] the state religion because he knew that it was a fool-proof way to subjugate his subjects.”

    I don’t agree. However, I also tend not to accept the modern Catholic accounts of Constantine, either. I’m not sure he was a genuine convert, in the spiritual sense.

    It’s my impression he was politically motivated, as you have suggested, but for different reasons. Christianity had survived centuries of on again, off again persecution by the Romans, yet it was still thriving and growing. It was a rising tide that the Roman state couldn’t seem to stop – probably the greatest “grass roots movement” in history. Certainly the most important. Constantine acquiesced.

    The “conversion by sword” was a purely a Roman invention, one that makes me doubt Constantine’s spiritual sincerity, as that approach would’ve been abhorrent to Jesus. Yet conversion by sword and spiritual intolerance kept Islam from sweeping through central and western Europe five centuries later. A pagan Europe certainly would have been overwhelmed.

  87. thm's Gravatar thm
    November 7, 2012 - 12:19 pm | Permalink

    @Gerd Reinhard:

    Since you bring up the question of “the biggest Holocaust in history”, I’d say that honor probably goes to the Jews who created the Bolshevik Revolution. (Speaking of Jews, I’m one, at least ethnically.)

  88. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 12:19 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I missed this post of yours:

    My biggest fear in the upcoming years is that as cities and states like California decline and fall into chaos, the danger will result in military oppression of all. A real danger. Keep an eye on homeland security – scares the hell out of me.

    Quite right. However, the future may be more unpredictable than we think. I am reminded of all those South American countries we used to laugh at for being so unstable. It was pointed out to me that most of them had unstable populations, in the sense of a mix of browns and whites.

    The browns would take over and bring socialism. Finally the whites would rebel and impose “fascism” or military control (which usually had more freedom). Back and forth it would go between the groups. This may be a crude analysis but it seems like it has the ring of truth to it.

    So, as we go forward, who knows what form of government we will have and who will be in control of it. I’m afraid people will have to make very difficult, and moral ambiguous choices in the near future.

  89. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 12:09 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    There is good news. Whatever bad economic times hit will be under Obama. And Whites are having their noses rubbed in it. The majority of reachable Whites are going to feel emotional, financial and perhaps physical pain over the coming years. I’m afraid this is necessary, because most Whites have proven they think they are living in 1955 and aren’t under any serious threat.

    By the way, when they say Obama got 39% of the White vote, I believe that includes Jews and Arabs, as well as some other miscellaneous groups. So I wonder if among true Whites, the percentage isn’t even smaller, perhaps in the mid to low 30s.

    These are White people I don’t care about. If a White college girl is strutting around taunting all the White guys that she just voted for Obama, I feel a colder anger toward her than I can express. Enemies are one thing, traitors to their own kind are far worse to me. And I know there are a few WNs who voted for Obama (maybe a dozen in North America?) so I don’t count them. They are just gaming the system or whatever triple bank shot they think they are playing, so no hard feelings.

    But I am afraid Whites must be confronted with the failures of their institutions to even defend their most basic rights. I hope the anger you have seen is real. It’s a sign of life at least.

    The worst thing about Romney would have been Whites going back to sleep, and refusing to think the dangerous thoughts they must now think.

  90. thm's Gravatar thm
    November 7, 2012 - 12:08 pm | Permalink

    @Gerd Reinhard:

    perpetrated the biggest Holocaust in History by eliminating more than 100 mill. Natives!

    Never let truth get in the way of a good narrative to promote White guilt!

  91. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 7, 2012 - 12:01 pm | Permalink

    @Rudd: Right back at you, Rudd. (I’m a Vietnam vet, too, incidentally.)

  92. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 7, 2012 - 11:56 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I also think having 3 or 4 more GOP senators would have been enormously beneficial for the next 4 years (or perhaps decades), so I wish some way had been found to just get electable people.

    As much as I dislike our present system of governance, its persistence is a foregone conclusion, at least for several decades more. In light of that unavoidable fact, I entirely, albeit unenthusiastically, grant the justice and aptness of your sentence above, as well as your comments about the Obaminations to come on the Supreme Court. If only they didn’t make me wish I had a full bottle of a decent single malt in the house.

  93. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 7, 2012 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Permit me a generalized comment prompted in part by the words I am responding to. Even if I didn’t agree with you as much and as often as I do or find myself frequently provoked by you into looking at things from an unwonted (for me) perspective, I think I’d still think highly of you, primarily because of something you lack: the impulse to uncontrolled, uncritical self-esteem that, as I tiresomely repeat, has become a pestiferous factor in people’s psychology and a crucial element of everything that’s bad in present-day life.

    Your reaction to things you’ve experienced or to things written here never seems to be, “Does what so-and-so says or does make me feel good about myself?” That this is both healthy for you as an individual and of immeasurable good for the commonwealth that is fortunate to have you as a member (forgetting for the moment your lucky husband and kids) is something that once would have been too obvious to remark upon and is now too blackened over to be seen. So I have the pleasure of defying both past and present orthodoxies, as it were, by saying it.

    Thank you, Alice.

  94. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 11:35 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    As any woman will tell you – being right is no excuse!

  95. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 11:30 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Oh I’m not always a Grumpy Gus! I’m just appreciating more and more that certain practical political events can matter a lot. I believe Whites like us will have to find a way organize around common goals and not be ideological puritans. If it takes some protectionism to get rust belt Whites, well so be it. If white women don’t like us forcing their moms to carry a baby to term after she’s been raped, then fine.

    The only shot I see to save us through normal democratic processes is to get more Whites to vote in the same way.

  96. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 11:27 am | Permalink

    @Gerd Reinhard:
    Indeed, I am very proud of my ancestors who conquered a continent with a gun in one hand and a Bible in the other.

  97. Gerd Reinhard's Gravatar Gerd Reinhard
    November 7, 2012 - 11:22 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Really great Alice !
    Respect and admiration for those white christian Land grabbers, who came to the americas and perpetrated the biggest Holocaust in History by eliminating more than 100 mill. Natives!

  98. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 11:18 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I think your answer is a good one. Our politicians don’t think that fast on their feet. But I also think having 3 or 4 more GOP senators would have been enormously beneficial for the next 4 years (or perhaps decades), so I wish some way had been found to just get electable people.

    I had it drilled into me at one point that all abortion was always wrong (akin to genocide I was told) and so I know how strong the feelings are. But I haven’t shared them in a long time. I’m not a Traditionalist in that sense. So, what probably sounds like high minded dedication to a moral ideal to you can prompt an eye roll from me. It’s sounds almost self-indulgent to me. As if the person doesn’t care if he wins or not, or actually affect reality, just whether he’s impressed Heaven that day.

  99. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 11:18 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Any other good news for us this morning?

  100. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 11:17 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:
    Note the commentary on cspan this morning. No mention that blacks voted in a massive block. All we hear is that whites can never win another election without reaching out to minorities. Even non-political men are getting a little tired of the celebration of our demise. I can only trust the God works in mysterious ways. There is little other hope on the horizon.

  101. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 11:11 am | Permalink

    Thanks, I appreciated your support.

  102. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 11:08 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I fear the problem is much deeper. When I was a girl my brother was bigger, stronger and faster. I would demand that Daddy make him slow down so I could win. My father, an indulgent man, would sometimes make him hop or handicap him in some way. I still lost. We have now moved into an era when we demand the government handicap men. Men have, quite naturally, gone on strike.

    In the past, I heard very little from angry white men. Most were saddened but tolerant of the nonsense. Today, normally calm men seem very angry indeed. To vote on hope was one thing. To vote for a demonstrably incompetent man is another.

  103. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 11:04 am | Permalink

    By the way, Antonin Scalia and Anthony Kennedy are both 76 and could have to be replaced at any time. Obama and the Democrat senate will be happy to do so.

    And Ginsbirg who is 79 can be safely replaced along with 74 yr old Breyer. Looks like a liberal court is coming along with new support for affirmative action and quotas.

  104. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    November 7, 2012 - 11:03 am | Permalink

    From Wikipedia:

    “Thomas “Tom” Willis portrayed by Franklin Cover…
    As the series went on (particularly after Lionel and Jenny married), George and Tom eventually became friends (though George still continued to make jokes about Tom’s weight and his being white).”

    Perfectly OK to make fun of someone for being white?
    The only thing acceptable in America, if you are white, is to be thin, rich, and support advanced liberal causes – otherwise you might as well put yourself out of your misery.
    Why wouldn’t we fight back at this point – what is left for us in America?

  105. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 7, 2012 - 11:02 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Yes, you are right. And I was being facetious about calling out the reporter. Yet how can anyone of either a pro-white or even a more generally “traditionalist” disposition who seeks public office claim unawareness of the open hostility and contempt of the Establishment? It strikes me as simply impossible nowadays for such a man to divest himself of the image of being a “creepy old man” or to reassure voters that he is a “decent man” without a degree of evasiveness and slickness that only blacks and Hispanics could fail to notice. Besides, being evasive and slick are stock-in-trade items of the bad guys, so much so that I continue to think that if you’re going to be in for a penny, you might as well be in for a pound. The potential for a self-inflicted wound is no greater and perhaps much less.

    Ergo, in the Indiana situation, for example, as I suggested above, he should have considered responding with “Since when do two wrongs make a right?”

    P.S.: Had Mike Dukakis answered Bernard Shaw that way in 1988, he might have won the election. (God help us all!!!) And think how much more warmly we’d all now remember George H. W. Bush, not least because we’d never have heard of his idiot son, W.

  106. Rudd's Gravatar Rudd
    November 7, 2012 - 10:49 am | Permalink

    You know I was thinking about Hitler & the National Socialists. He was only a corpral the rest of the crew in the begining were just ground pounders in the army & out of work blue collars.( Except of course Gen Lundendorf).

  107. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 7, 2012 - 10:42 am | Permalink

    @Athanasius: I very largely agree, especially about thought-terminating cues. Yet here, alas, I wonder whether much effort needed to be expended, the impulse to think being about as widespread as, say, the desire to bed Hillary Clinton or Janet Napolitano.

    I see the Establishment’s successful move to neuter or, preferably, destroy Ron Paul as symptomatic of its fear of thought and frank expression. Though I agree with Sobran’s assessment of Paul as the only honest politician he ever encountered, I know that there are TOO commenters who thought his candidacy a danger to a white revolution. The Establishment disagreed, of course. It regarded him as supremely dangerous—less, I think, for his ideas than for his occasional refusal to give the approved Pavlovian response to the Tribe’s stimuli. He did not always speak without fear or favor, unfortunately, but he did so with a regularity that might have tipped the apple cart had it not gone unpunished. This tendency alone sufficed to make him our candidate. I hope that the scoffers wake up to this fact one fine day.

    Sadly, most white men and women, Christian and otherwise, hastened to join the Tribal queue and abandoned Paul to what I have actually heard people call a well-deserved oblivion.

  108. Rudd's Gravatar Rudd
    November 7, 2012 - 10:32 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller
    Valknut or Valknot its an old Norse symbol for slain warriors.
    I just liked it & found out later that its also used by White Supremacists which I am.
    They were really ganging up on you yesterday. You did good.

  109. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 10:31 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I think he simply must not creep women out. I’m being hard on them both, but there is something to learn. Trying “argue” the technicalities of your abortion/rape/incest position is almost always a loser.

    Yes the media sets them up. But I’m not sure calling the reporter a name works (though deserved), especially if it’s a female. They are trying to paint the candidate as a creepy old man, some Amish stereotype of a cruel father who kinda thinks some women deserve rape. It’s horribly unfair, but that is the game.

    The candidate must remember he is not talking to his flock, who all agree with him, but with a larger secular audience as well, many of whom just want to be reassured he’s a decent man.

  110. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 10:21 am | Permalink


    I agree Mourdock would have been much better in terms do his positions, but talking about how God blesses rapes that end pregnancy is a pretty bad campaign slogan. It may make sense in other contexts to have those, but not on stage.

    I like the non-establishment candidates, but they do need some polish if they are to be successful. Is it too much to ask GOP candidates not to use the word ‘rape’? Just don’t use it. Don’t do like Akin and talk about “legitimate” rapes and then refuse to step down when you are obviously going to lose – he could have let someone else take his place.

  111. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 7, 2012 - 10:16 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    @Jason Speaks:

    Thanks, both of you, for the information.

    Does it never occur to these candidates, I wonder, that they might do themselves less harm with forthrightness than weasel words (e.g., “since when did two wrongs make a right”)? Calling a reporter who puts such a question “a manipulative toady of the Establishment” might not be a bad idea either.

  112. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 10:00 am | Permalink

    Amen! May I ask the significance of the symbol next to your name?

  113. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 7, 2012 - 9:58 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Wrt immigration, affirmative action, and transfer of wealth (not to mention destructive foreign policy), there isn’t much difference between Donnelly and Lugar (a Republican whom he will replace).

    So Mourdock losing was a blow, regardless of what he thinks about abortion.

    This is a great example of how democracy is subverted. A senator’s opinions regarding abortion don’t matter that much. He can affect abortion policy in the military and to some extent foreign affairs, but that’s it. The federal government, as per Roe, can’t hinder abortions. Even if Roe were overturned, senators wouldn’t have much say for federalism reasons. It would mostly relate to the state police power and be up to state legislators.

    But the media casts highly emotive invective against Mourdock and white women eat it up. Clearly, he never, even in his original, awkward, statement ever said that rape was something that God intended. He merely meant that every life was intended by God. Which is a point that can be debated. Think about the opposite–Children of rapes are abominations before God? Such people exist.
    Anyway, this is all pretty silly stuff for politicians to be debating, and yet, Donnelly IMMEDIATELY in the debate caught on to this media-induced cue and said, “Rape is not anything my God or the God of Hoosiers would ever intend.” It was all down hill from there and now there will be another Jew cypher in the senate from Indiana.

    But the issue is this. The media has constructed a series of cues that function as thought terminating cliches. People have been subjected to operant conditioning to react to these cliches in certain ways and are not easily capable of rational thought when such cues are triggered. This operates pretty straightforwardly through “punishing” white people’s sense of shame (a theme that Prof. MacD seems quite interested in). This all makes it very hard for us to make an progress democratically.

  114. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 9:58 am | Permalink

    Tihs is Howard Fineman’s gloating article. I forgot to give link.

  115. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 7, 2012 - 9:56 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: In some ways the most troubling effect of female suffrage is the incredible shallowness of young and middle-aged women’s response to a candidate’s physical appearance. This problem was aggravated when the franchise was extended to eighteen-year-olds (most all of them the product of our Jewish public educational system, of course) a generation ago. Four years ago I heard many white girls describe Obama as “cute.” Yet no one ever suggests that such verbalizing, which is infinitely more dangerous to our society’s well-being than, say, Holohoax denial, should disqualify the utterer from casting a vote.

    I am no fan of fat guys or fat candidates per se. But there is tolerance for unconventional dress, appearance, and, most important, thinking among a small but measurable segment of the male population (so long as the candidates are other men, of course). Given the nauseating conformism that has come to plague almost every aspect of life in the West, a fortiori the American political scene, the murderous tendency to hammer down every nail that rises above the plane of the conventional surface has unfortunately been reinforced by women’s inborn reliance on visual appeal and by the pressure they put on their menfolk to keep their own thinking and actions within the box. This trait, vital in the domestic sphere, has time and again proved destructive in the marketplace.

    As long as people persist in believing that the managerial Tribal state, which they stubbornly persist in calling a democracy, is the least bad of all possible polities, the harm women—even the white women we love and cherish and could not possibly build the good society without—do at the polls will continue to be incalculably great.

  116. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 9:55 am | Permalink

    Howard Fineman gloats that Obama’s re-election is really the creation of New America. He says the following about the GOP:

    The Republican Party, by contrast, has been reduced to a rump parliament of Caucasian traditionalism: white, married, church-going — to oversimplify only slightly. “It’s a catastrophe,” said GOP strategist Steve Schmidt. “This is, this will have to be, the last time that the Republican Party tries to win this way.”

    That is how an antiwhite sounds by the way – in this case a Jewish one. But you could hear Joan Walsh, Chris Matthews, or Lawrence O’Donnell say the same thing.

  117. Rudd's Gravatar Rudd
    November 7, 2012 - 9:54 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon
    Bravo Pierre!
    Your agruement was marvelously enlightning. I love my Christ
    he’s saved my ass quite a few times in Vietnam & here.
    Every Good Wish

  118. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 9:36 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    On, Mourdock he made a comment in his debate about God intending the pregnancies that arise from rape. It was stupid thing for a politician to say in a debate, in my opinion. Really tone deaf as they say. The GOP could have won that seat.

    Later at a press conference, he went on to defend himself by saying God didn’t really intend the rape, but the damage was done and it sounded creepy, given that he believes in absolutely no exceptions for abortion including rape and incest.

    A few weeks earler, another GOP senate candidate, Akins ,had talked about “legitimate rapes” and suggested the body never allowed pregnancy to occur in a “real rape”. Again, maybe technically defensible (not really) but at least totally tone deaf and a stupid thing to say while campaigning.

    This is on top of poor Christine O’Donnell, who I had affection for, but who proved a poor candidate up in Delaware. So that makes three senators that to GOP should’ve had.

  119. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 9:30 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Richard Murdock is the poor soul who in-artfully said that even in the case of rape he opposes abortion.
    “even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that is something that God intended to happen.”

  120. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 9:14 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    With great sorrow I must suggest that you gentlemen made a fatal mistake when you gave women the vote. My sincere apologies on behalf of my entire sex.

  121. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 7, 2012 - 9:02 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Apropos your last sentence, me too!

    Could you or Athanasius clue me in just a smidgen on the Indiana story he refers to? I have paid little attention to what’s been happening politically and none at all to the media’s staged attacks of the vapors on those occasions when someone inadvertently lets the truth escape from his mouth (e.g., Romney’s 47 percent remarks).

  122. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 7, 2012 - 8:56 am | Permalink

    @fender: This schoolyard bravado of yours was probably tiresome to those around you when you were corporeally seventeen. I suppose I have only myself to blame for failing to see before now how emotionally and psychologically invested you are in remaining seventeen forever.

    Now several of your pals are shedding crocodile tears about being called trolls. What a strawman! You and they are not simply lost in the dark wood of ego hypertrophy; you have actually settled in, built cabins, and installed a septic system. In this, you are doing the enemy’s work for him. Whether you will ever wake up is hardly even worth asking any longer.

  123. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 8:54 am | Permalink


    I think you touch on something important. There are traits that many Whites have that cause them deep problems, almost fatal flaws – at least for the type of Whites that live up there.

    Some of it is just that Whites who don’t live around blacks and Latinos often live in la-la land. They live in an almost pre-1965 America in their mind. So they embrace silly liberalism. However, I wonder if there isn’t something more deeply wrong with many of those Whites in the North.

    I would quite frankly like to be separated from them. I wish they weren’t my countrymen.

  124. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 7, 2012 - 8:15 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: What you’re saying is too oversimplified. It is in some of the whitest states that Romney got clobbered. If ME, VT, NH, CT, RI, IA, MN, WI weren’t in the tank for every degenerate democrat, we wouldn’t be in the trouble we’re in.
    Every one of those states is overwhelmingly white and voted for Obama. Had Romney won all of those, he would have only needed to convince a few more people in the suburbs of Pittsburgh, Columbus, or DC to vote for him.

    For God’s sake, VT elects a socialist Jew, and now WI sent a lesbian to the senate.

    Indiana rejected one of the few immigration patriots because the media (i.e., the Jews) convinced a bunch of overemotional WHITE women that Mourdock believes that God wills rapes.

    If Richard Mourdock can’t win in Indiana, how do you think a white advocate can win nationally?

  125. omop's Gravatar omop
    November 7, 2012 - 7:57 am | Permalink
  126. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 7:44 am | Permalink

    Well goodness, what a fun election.

    Well, we have no established that the GOP has two choices: 1. Become like Dems with more welfare and amnesty 2. Get more White people (the Sailer Strategy).

    I don’t think the first will work. I’ve already heard silly ass calls to put Condi Rice and Marcio Rubio at the top! (Of course, Rubio may be basically White Cuban). But that is all a big fail and will drive away Whites.

    The GOP may be doomed at the national level. It’s only hope is to get 75-80% of Whites.

    On the other hand, the GOP is very strong on some regions and actually control 30 Governorships. Oh my, to see 20,000,000 White men turn out on the streets as civil war reenactors. Are those things they are carrying real? I jest.

    The future should be interesting.

  127. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    November 7, 2012 - 4:55 am | Permalink

    What the West needs is a NEW religion, not the revival of an old one. Nature’s Eternal Laws are to be respected above all else. As long as we are looking for the intervention of a supernatural power to save us from our predicament, we will never overcome what ails us as a race. Superstition must not play a role in our survival strategy.

  128. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 1:55 am | Permalink

    Your critics are completely grasping at straws and taking the cowardly way out by calling you JDL trolls. I’ve noticed that people who can’t make an effective and honest argument will immediately accuse you of being a troll if they strongly disagree with you, especially when you point out that they are illogical and ineffectively resisting the enemy. Anybody who has much gumption is a troll working for the ADL, yeah right! In fact, the ADL would love you all to continue to be turn the other cheek Christians who will give them no real resistance. Like you have been so far.

    You guys are so right about Christianity. I agree wholeheartedly! In fact, it is well-known that the EMPEROR Constantine made that Semitic offshoot of Judaism the state religion because he knew that it was a fool-proof way to subjugate his subjects. He was completely correct. Worshiping a Semite and adopting any of the Middle Eastern Semitic religions which are completely at odds with European sensibilities is a sure way to be subjugated.
    Look at the results. Our own White women thank us for putting them at the top of the world by voting a Bantu communist into office a second time! After all of the harm that it has done to our country and our people.
    Professor MacDonald was very correct in stating that whites are too nice (to put it in a nutshell) but I think that it isn’t in our genes to let others walk all over us. It is in our Middle Eastern Semitic subjugation cult that did not even originate with our own people! It would be better to worship Odin, Thor, Lug of the Long Hand or have some other European practice (without the sacrifices, Christians sacrifice lots of people though, look at history). Semitic religions are a form of imperialism of the mind control type.

  129. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    November 7, 2012 - 1:44 am | Permalink

    How much is this Christian pastor defending the White Race?
    There are countless others who preside over mixed-race congregations in the U.S. and who gladly solemnize the mixed-marriages that they have nurtured in the young raised in the church. OFFICIAL Preacher Phil Snider . . . speech

  130. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 7, 2012 - 12:26 am | Permalink

    @Fender, I’ve struggled with the implications of some aspects of Christianity for the future of the European peoples myself, but i think it’s important to realize that, by the11th century at least, the Church became a civilization building force. It reinforced existing tendencies to monogamy and the simple family structure, and prevented any monarchy from attaining an oriental type of absolutism among other things. Personally, I idealize the Renaissance era when there was a beautiful syncretism of Christian and Classical, eg art that was worthy of the ancients celebrated the perfected form and was even patronized by the Church. Yes there was too much fratricidal dynastic conflict, but there were also the amazing feats of exploration and conquest, which were led by sincerely Christian kingdoms. Also the Church was often alone when it undertook the enormous task of uniting the warring Europeans against grave threat from the Turk.

  131. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 11:22 pm | Permalink

    You’re not thinking clearly. If you were entirely right it would change nothing. Our history has already happened. People still have ties of genuine religious feeling, loyalty to history, respect for our ancestors. It is, for better or worse, our heritage. You my regret it but that will not help us win. This is not merely an intellectual exercise. The survival of our people, culture and heritage are at stake. Do you want to look back content in the knowledge that you had us pegged as losers early on?

  132. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 6, 2012 - 10:32 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    No, I didn’t. You’re defending Christianity simply because you’re used to it. You grew up with it, your parents grew up with it, many of your ancestors grew up with it, etc. You’re not judging it on its own merits or philosophy and how they relate to the interests of Whites.

    Point to me one single quote from the Bible that is pro-White or pro-European. You can’t, because it doesn’t exist.

    Imagine if Islam took hold of Europe instead of Christianity. Islam is another universalist religion that doesn’t take race into consideration, and it too is an outgrowth of hebrew philosophy. Europe would still have been White and it STILL would have adhered to a religion that doesn’t take Whites themselves into consideration! Islam is every bit as foreign to European thought as Christianity is!

    Think of your White ancestors that worshipped their OWN gods for thousands of years before the cross ever came to town. To them, you worshipping jesus the jew is every bit as bizarre as you worshipping muhammed the arab.

    Christianity simply doesn’t factor into the solution for the problems of the West. We need to stop immigration, deport non-Whites (jews included), and utilize science and eugenics to remove diseases and genetic abnormalities from our people. Easier said than done.

  133. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 6, 2012 - 10:17 pm | Permalink

    @fender: You missed the point.

  134. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 6, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I never claimed that my opinion of Christianity was new, and furthermore I fail to see how the originality or unoriginality of any argument has any bearing on whether it’s true or not.

    What I’ve said about Christianity has been said before- and better- by people like Nietzsche, Ludovici, Oliver, Hitler (assuming that his Table Talk is accurate), and others. I don’t deny that.

    But fact are facts: Christian Europe has ALWAYS failed to stop the jews, and that’s due to the nature of Christian thought. Like Linder says: if you want to win, you take advice from the winners, not the losers. Christians and conservatives are the ultimate losers. The proof? History.

  135. November 6, 2012 - 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Luke: “Romney is addicted to the flavor of jewish toe-jam that grows between the toes of jews who run the global crime syndicate that is sometimes referred to as ‘israel’.”

    And Obama is likely addicted to creamy helpings of Semitic-smegma I would wager…

    Hold Back This Day

    The Towers of Eden

  136. Grunion's Gravatar Grunion
    November 6, 2012 - 10:02 pm | Permalink


    “thm” thanks for link to cool KM video and article on LA local news station website.

    No preaching to the choir in this video. Surprisingly even handed treatment if you ask me. Totally great!

  137. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 6, 2012 - 9:36 pm | Permalink

    @fender: The answers to all your (rhetorical) questions pretty much resolve themselves into three words: yes and no. But you’re no fool, so you know that already. Why else would you swap faux questions for any of the dozen or so real ones you might have put to me?

    Years ago, after Joe Sobran got canned from NR by Buckley and was trying to pay his bills, his website creator and manager, a fine woman called Fran Griffin, did what everybody but KM has done: peddle a coffee mug to make a few bucks. The Sobran mug is covered with quotations that Joe was particularly fond of. The one most applicable to you, fender—though certainly not you alone, as I tried to indicate—was sourced from a man called Richard Whately: “He who is unaware of his ignorance will be only misled by his knowledge.”

    That’s the entirety of my point! Or to answer you after the form in which you put the matter, “So is your argument that my perspective is nothing new, or that it’s wrong?” I’d have to say that I think it’s wrong because you think it’s new. And please don’t think I’m insulting you by suggesting that you’re incapable of original thought. (Alas, it’s much worse than that.) I think that perhaps seventeen people now alive are capable of genuinely original thought, but the likelihood that any of them are either identifiable or are actually engaged in original thinking is disappearingly small. (BTW, I’m not such a fool nor so vain as to claim that I’m one of them.)

    Put otherwise, I think you are sincere in your desire to bind the bleeding leg of white people and white civilization. But to continue with a medical image, I also think you fail to see that the wound is spurting arterial blood and thus that pressure put on the wound does no good at all.

    Look, I don’t expect to convince you of anything, nor do I even have much hope of persuading you to back off from your intellectually and morally poisonous slanders against Christianity. They won’t do the Faith any permanent harm—God Himself will see to that—but they do harm people, among them yourself. Besides, failing to see human life, even white human life, any other way than sub specie aeternitatis is so bloody limiting.

    If you would, as Whately and Sobran implicitly call upon you to do, try to get in touch with your ignorance, an ignorance that I don’t flatter myself I don’t largely share, you’ll be awakened to how little you do know and in the process become immensely more knowledgeable. Then you can get back to patching white folks’ wounded legs—but this time you might do them some real good.

    Pax tecum.

  138. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 6, 2012 - 9:25 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the link thm. It does seem that CBS gave KM more of a fair shake than most outlets would, much to the consternation of the ADL, I’m sure.

  139. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 6, 2012 - 7:36 pm | Permalink


    re you kidding me? Elevating women? You must have forgotten about the countless women tortured and murdered by the priests for supposedly being witches.

    I was doing some reading regarding witches. As I understand it, often times it was women who turned on other women because they thought these women were “possessed”. It often had to do with incidents around child rearing so that women were very superstitious and they blamed other women as being witches that caused them to miscarry or have a deformed child and very bad things of that nature.
    As well as the fact that , like with much other “history” , the whole witch thing has been politicized and it is largely just anti-Christian PC feminist propaganda.

  140. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 6, 2012 - 7:20 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    i would like to reiterate, for the public message, that I have never seen Christians here repudiate our agnostic or atheist fellows. It is always the other way around. I don’t even object to serious criticism of the actions of some Christians and churches. Indeed, it is often Christians who offer them.

    That is an excellent point.
    The thing about all this Christian bashing is , that whether you be a believer or not, the bashing is not helpful to the white cause.
    Let alone , that if the bashers are wrong they just might be in for a well placed lightning bolt. haha

  141. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 6, 2012 - 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Forty years ago, Bill Cosby said he didn’t like “All in the Family” because he thought some white people would watch it merely for the gratuitous racial slurs. He was right.

    The same is true now.
    Many people are “politically incorrect” just below the surface and they are just itchin’ to let some honesty out.

  142. Rudd's Gravatar Rudd
    November 6, 2012 - 6:07 pm | Permalink

    I feel there’s a jewish mole in our mist. Squabbling over a no win argument Christianity vs whatever diverts attention. So lets see who won’t leave Alice Teller with her Christian belief

  143. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 5:47 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Thank you for the support. I should know by now that it is a foolish hope yet I continue to yearn for the day when this this site provides a warm welcome and support to white folks, our history and heritage. i would like to reiterate, for the public message, that I have never seen Christians here repudiate our agnostic or atheist fellows. It is always the other way around. I don’t even object to serious criticism of the actions of some Christians and churches. Indeed, it is often Christians who offer them.

    Of course, you know all of this better than I. Again, thanks, your timing was excellent. Wouldn’t it be lovely if we could just sit back and cheer our young on?

  144. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 6, 2012 - 5:27 pm | Permalink


    “One of the main strategies of the ADL to demonize people working for White interests is to claim they are really NS.”

    Right, well, I’ve never done that.

  145. thm's Gravatar thm
    November 6, 2012 - 5:17 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Fender is bright, no doubt.


    lol. Yes, because so many ADL trolls highlight the aesthetic values of NS Germany, right?

    One of the main strategies of the ADL to demonize people working for White interests is to claim they are really NS. An example is in the article on Prof MacDonald from CBS Los Angeles (link a few posts up) where they claim Prof MacDonald appeals to neo-NS. The ADL tries hard to associate White activism with NS. Whatever the merits or demerits of NS, that is a fact.

  146. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 5:12 pm | Permalink

    I have no time for flights of fancy into alternative historical narratives. The facts are that our ancestors, complete with Christianity, indeed educated and informed by it, conquered the world and made life better for nearly everyone now living. If we cannot defend the territory they won the fault is ours, not theirs.

  147. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 6, 2012 - 5:08 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    So is your argument that my perspective is nothing new, or that it’s wrong? Or both? Not sure what you’re saying, exactly.

    And yes, I do want to help Whites. Part of that involves harshly criticizing our follies the way a man with a cut in his leg recognizes that it harms him, and therefore puts a bandage over it.

    Or would you prefer us to ignore our faults and continue on as we’re doing, like the man who refuses to see the bleeding cut in his leg, thinking he’ll be all right no matter what?

  148. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the link and heads-up. I urge everyone to make a statement in support of this fine man.

  149. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 6, 2012 - 5:00 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Part of being pro-White means having a view of our history that highlights strengths and weaknesses. If we take an overly rosy view of our history then there’s no way to differentiate what benefitted us as opposed to what harmed us, especially when it comes to intellectual and philosophical matters.

    We can go on and on about cathedrals and Christian art, and yes, a lot of it is beautiful. But what makes us think that if the pagan gods hadn’t remained dominant that we wouldn’t have had even more beautiful art and architecture? I’m not saying we would or wouldn’t have, but it’s something to consider.


    lol. Yes, because so many ADL trolls highlight the aesthetic values of NS Germany, right?

  150. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 6, 2012 - 4:54 pm | Permalink


    Your ancestors-and mine-accepted Christianity because it was forced on them at the point of the sword.

    Your point being that the forced converts lacked guts and their descendants lacked the wits to walk away from the farrago of claptrap they’d inherited? Till you came along, that is, to explain all to everyone? You know these things how, precisely? And what credentials do you bear sufficient to overweigh the evidence of everyone else’s intellect, senses, experience, and study?

    What Alice Teller just wrote is absolutely correct. It is plain to all except the spoiled and the terminally egocentric that believing that times were ever simpler than they are now and believing that people in the past as a rule lacked one’s own understanding of the world’s workings are two primary symptoms of megalomania and hypertrophy of the ego.

    Like Luke and uncountable others hereabouts, you seem to think that every pavement-level insight of yours is unexampled and every routine, quotidian discovery is a first. If only you’d been listening when Mom told you, on excellent authority, that there is nothing new under the sun!

    Nothing can be learned before it is understood that the self-esteem that our ruling Jews promote as the ultimate asset is the ultimate liability. Do you seriously think it’s a coincidence that no credence was ever given to such rubbish before 1950? Or is this yet another insight into human psychology that escaped Aristotle, Paul, Dante, Newton, and Goethe?

    Face it: you are as lost in a dark wood as everyone else. You’ll never find your way out till you look within yourself for the only functioning compass there is to be had there: intellectual humility. Look for it, find it. In helping yourself, you’ll help others, too. But then the question is, do you truly even care if you help others?

  151. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 4:43 pm | Permalink

    I know it is a fool’s errand. I do not know Franz and I still hold out hope for fender. He is bright and well educated . It always saddens me to see a white kid with the goods get lost in some silly excuse for not making the best of his own life foolish woman that I am.

  152. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Your position cast all of your ancestors into the role of fools and dupes. The simple truth is that our ancestors found comfort, guidance, wisdom, inspiration, courage and truth in Christianity. None of our ancestors were perfect – such is life. No one wins the game for all time and eternity. Honor your ancestors and rise to meet the challenges of your own generation. Whining that daddy didn’t do it for you is really a sign of our pathetic descent.

  153. tombarnes's Gravatar tombarnes
    November 6, 2012 - 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Starting at fifteen seconds, in this Youtube clip, Mike Wallace seems to want to say that because he is Jewish, he is not white.

    Perhaps that is why The Tribe takes such delight in deconstructing white society and shibboleths?

  154. thm's Gravatar thm
    November 6, 2012 - 4:27 pm | Permalink


    The article is a transcript of the video. Well, of course they used all the code words, “neo-Nazi”, “White supremacist” etc., had an ADL spokesperson (whose characterization of Prof. MacDonald was inaccurate), but they did allow Dr MacDonald to express himself. Relatively balanced for a mainstream media piece — which isn’t saying much.

  155. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 6, 2012 - 4:19 pm | Permalink

    @thm: Having tried, I quite agree with you. One ends up exhausted to no purpose. Let’s hope at least that the time they spend here endlessly repeating the same uninformed slanders at least keeps them off the streets and out of prison!

  156. JIm's Gravatar JIm
    November 6, 2012 - 4:09 pm | Permalink

    I can’t load the video for some reason, but as far as the text goes, it is slanted some, but I don’t know if I’d call it a vilification piece.

    It seems that they gave Dr. MacDonald more interview time than his detractors. It certainly isn’t a positive article, but I guess I don’t expect that. The headline is more sensational than the content, but other than that, not as bad as I would’ve thought (and I saw at least one encouraging comment at the bottom.)

    Again, I wish I could access the video. It may have come across differently.

  157. JIm's Gravatar JIm
    November 6, 2012 - 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Forty years ago, Bill Cosby said he didn’t like “All in the Family” because he thought some white people would watch it merely for the gratuitous racial slurs. He was right.

    I recall thinking back then that there was a side of Archie Bunker that was being missed by the media, the critics, the show’s producers and even Carroll O’Connor – the politically incorrect hero (or antihero) side that somehow connected with many whites. Most folks who saw this element in Archie weren’t missing the preachy intent of the show’s creators: that Archie was a dolt for possessing such outdated racial attitudes, but they saw that Archie was at least a courageous dolt (usually) who didn’t care what others thought of him, which is more than you could say for his freeloading liberal son-in-law.

    Despite the writer’s intentions, Michael was never seen (by the viewing public, anyway) as a genuine champion of anything meaningful. He was usually just a mouthpiece used for spouting the litany of the left. At times, he was even a foil for his less intelligent father-in-law, contantly stuffing his mouth full of food as Archie looked on in disgust.

    I find it interesting that the show’s writers chose the recurring slur “pollack” for Michael instead of “kike”. Interesting, indeed.

  158. thm's Gravatar thm
    November 6, 2012 - 3:23 pm | Permalink


    whoare> trying

  159. thm's Gravatar thm
    November 6, 2012 - 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Prof MacDonald is under attack by CBS Los Angeles with a slanted, inaccurate vilification piece:

    CSULB Professor Under Fire For ‘White Supremacist’ Beliefs

  160. thm's Gravatar thm
    November 6, 2012 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Fender and Franz are doing such good imitations of ADL trolls who trying to neutralize this blog and make it unappealing to disgruntled White people that they are indistinguishable from the real thing. Debating with them against their ignorance is an exercise in frustration and probably a waste of time!

  161. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 6, 2012 - 2:32 pm | Permalink

    One question.
    How is rejecting the vile religion of the jews called christianity make me a self-hating white?
    What is the connection?

  162. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Don’t you ever get tired of being a self-hating white? Grow-up. Our people have had ups and downs. We are not now nor ever have been perfect. Woulda, coulda and shoulda does not constitute history. It is merely whining. Christianity did not guide us here, it simply failed to protect us. That is why we need adults to face the world, complete with all our imperfections and straighten out this mess. Or we can all resort to being spoiled children who complain the our ancestors did not bequeath us invincibility so we are doomed. There are days when you lead me to despair. Maybe all the testosterone in our young has been drowned out by the estrogen in the water and food supply.

  163. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 12:44 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Our best hope is that whites are being forced, kicking and screaming, to see that all other group are no longer pretending to ask for a fair shake, they want power, to use against us. If Obama wins there will be no hiding from his incompetence or the fact that people voted for him in full knowledge that he is not up to the job. He will not be able to blame all problems on his predecessor. He will have no where to hide and no reason to be moderate. He has given the lie to all liberal illusions.

    The only white people still for Obama are single white women who demand that my children pay for their security. Married to the government. If anyone does not approve they are accused of hate. It is both sad and pathetic that white women have sunk so low. No one is buying it anymore.

    My biggest fear in the upcoming years is that as cities and states like California decline and fall into chaos, the danger will result in military oppression of all. A real danger. Keep an eye on homeland security – scares the hell out of me.

  164. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 6, 2012 - 12:38 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Other members of our race wielded that sword, just as our fellow Whites like Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow wield the sword of diversity today. That doesn’t make it right- that is, beneficial- for us.

    You’re right; Christianity did guide Europe through the centuries… and it guided us HERE. Our philosophy, based on unconditional altruism and love, has resulted in us being ruled over by jews and bred out of existence by blacks and arabs.

  165. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Really, that is unworthy of you. Read the entire sentence, not just one phrase. Who wielded that sword?

  166. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 6, 2012 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “Aside from religious sentiments, I can defend Christianity because it was embraced by our ancestors, guided and consoled them as they created the greatest civilization the world has ever seen. All of European civilization, art, architecture, literature, music have all been inspired and informed by it. Perhaps your ancestors were poor pathetic victims who were forced to accept a religion they did not find pleasing. Mine were not.”

    Your ancestors- and mine- accepted Christianity because it was forced on them at the point of the sword. You say that that Christianity is “good” because it was accepted by our ancestors; well, multiculturalism and immigration were accepted by our more recent White ancestors, so I guess those values are worth upholding too, right?

  167. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 6, 2012 - 11:09 am | Permalink


    I am 100 percent convinced that the most hardcore White race traitors within the party establishment are going to pull an all-out power play to purge the party of any remaining immigration restrictionists and/or closeted White race realists.

    Yes, that argument will be made. It’s already being made and of course, it is retarded. Which means it may succeed. So, if the GOP tries to legalize all those Hispanics in a drive to win them over and go further against the interests of Whites, the party will implode at some point.

    I just mean that eventually some group is going to pick up the pieces. They may be a different party. But someone will notice that Whites are still 70% of the population, and if the GOP can’t use them, someone else will. Why do I think that will happen?

    Because Whites have gone along with the GOP only because they seemed capable of winning. The moment the GOP can’t win, Whites support will drop and they will explore other options.

    I know this is a lot of HOPE parading as analysis, but I do feel that after this election, the issue of race will get more obvious. There are some things even the elites can’t control. If you notice, blacks and browns are demanding more positions in media and congress on the Left. California will eventually lose the two Jews as senators and get brown ones. So, not only are Whites conservatives slowly waking up, but the sellout liberal Whites may lose some power soon too.

    But, of course, my view is worth but what you pay for it. A part of me wants Romney to win (only to see a White man in position of supreme power.) But I know it’s emotional. Romney is as Anti-White most of them (although he had a good handle on the useless 47%, which I suspect had an unspoken racial dimension in his mind). I also know that when Obama wins, Whites will have to face a real humiliation at home for another 4 years, perhaps more intense than now. This may be what Whites need to go through.
    Few people know that black self-esteem is higher than White. When given victories, it soars. The desire to put “White boys” in their place, as well as more aggressively pursue White girls will continue to spread. For the first time ever, perhaps conservatives will question their loyalty to certain institutions.
    Just imagine if 30% of White police, military, doctors, engineers, plumbers, pilots, oil workers …. All decided to start going on rolling strikes. This is probably how fascist regimes came to power in South America. The White elements finally fed up with brown socialism, brought about a deal between the military and business against the Left (basically the browns).

    Couldn’t happen here? Well we look more like a Third World country all the time.

  168. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 10:25 am | Permalink

    This has become tiresome. If you have no respect or admiration for your ancestors, that is your choice. None of which gives you the right or the power to announce that I cannot stand up for white people because I am a Christian. To do so is simply to alienate millions of white folks. Not a good route to freedom.

  169. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 6, 2012 - 10:19 am | Permalink

    Tell me Alice.
    How did the first ancestor in your bloodline ‘choose’ to be a ‘christian’?
    That is what I want to know.
    You claim to be a ‘truth telling christian’. Please, tell me the approximate century when that nonchristian forefather of yours ‘chose’ to be a ‘christian’.

  170. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 10:18 am | Permalink

    No faith on earth can assure that evil is never done. Truth is, I can think of a few women who I might be tempted to burn at the stake today. I stand by my statement. White women, as a result of Christian doctrine have had a freedom granted to no other women on earth until recently. The right to assent or reject marriage. Much else flows from this. You should learn your own history before you assume that for two thousand years your ancestors were deluded fools.

  171. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 10:11 am | Permalink

    It was not I but you who described them as victims. Yes it is Christian to tell the truth. You have evidently been misinformed about the faith of your fathers if you think otherwise.

  172. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 6, 2012 - 10:00 am | Permalink

    Now you telling me that my ancestors were poor and pathetic. How christian of you.
    In you bloodline, who was the very first ‘christian’? How did he become a ‘christian’? How did he choose, as you say, to embrace a foreign system of beliefs and deny the faith of his fathers?

  173. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 6, 2012 - 9:55 am | Permalink

    re you kidding me? Elevating women? You must have forgotten about the countless women tortured and murdered by the priests for supposedly being witches.
    How about the peasant women who were simply taken from their families by the wealthy assocites oc the church to luve as concubines?
    In the coloiues prior to the creation of the US, the ‘christians’ were murdering women. This was not the Middle Ages. Only 300 years ago..

  174. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 9:39 am | Permalink

    Aside from religious sentiments, I can defend Christianity because it was embraced by our ancestors, guided and consoled them as they created the greatest civilization the world has ever seen. All of European civilization, art, architecture, literature, music have all been inspired and informed by it. Perhaps your ancestors were poor pathetic victims who were forced to accept a religion they did not find pleasing. Mine were not.

  175. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 6, 2012 - 9:34 am | Permalink

    How is it, Alice, that you can sit here and defend christianity? It is because hundreds of years ago someone held a sword to one of your ancestors and gave him the choice to be a christian or lose his head. Imagine if you could stand beside him while he had to make that choice? Would there any compassion in your heart for your pagan nature loving forefather?
    Has any ‘christian’ ever considered how he came to be a ‘christian’ in the beginning?
    Alice, the religion of our forefathers was Druid, paganism. Paganism is simply loving nature.
    The religion of the jews was imported and enforced on our forefathers.

  176. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 9:32 am | Permalink

    I have not denounced any of my ancestors.

  177. omop's Gravatar omop
    November 6, 2012 - 9:31 am | Permalink

    Is that like being anti-semitic?

  178. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 9:31 am | Permalink

    An easy one is elevating women to the highest status in the world. One envied by women the world over. It was only reduced to the said parody of high status best defined by compliant wage-slaves and causal sex when Christianity was weakened.

  179. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 6, 2012 - 9:25 am | Permalink


    Don’t you think that the pre-christian Celts, Vikings held their faith dear?
    What do you think of your ancestor who was born and died a nonchristian?
    Do you ever consider their plight?

  180. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 6, 2012 - 9:21 am | Permalink

    Can you tell me just one good thing christianity did for Europe?
    I know enough history thank you.

  181. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 8:58 am | Permalink

    If you have managed thus far to avoid all knowledge of European history I am afraid I do not have the time or leisure to educate you. No institution composed of human beings is perfect. I can only offer my sincere sympathy. To denounce the faith held dear by countless generation of your ancestors is a very sad form of self-hatred.

  182. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 6, 2012 - 8:42 am | Permalink


    I did not say that ‘christians’ are not welcome in the white community. I said that to be a true white with a Eurocentric consciousness is incompatible with christianity. Simply put, christianity has not only been a curse on Europe but the entire world. It is the offspring of the old testament just like islam and talmudic judaism.
    Whites can be ‘christian’ all they want. But I want them to be aware of the evil perpetrated by christianity against everything European.
    That evil jew Paul the Apostle planted the seed 2000 years ago. Read Romans chapter 9 to see how he begins the conditioning.
    Paul tells the Europeans that they were grafted in the olive tree but the jew is the natural branch. Basucally, the pharisee of pharisees told the ‘christians’ to pay homage to the jew.
    In Corinthians Paul tells the Greek Aryan Celts to give of their natural gifts, i.e. money, to the jews in jerusalem since the jews have given spiritual gifts to the ‘christians’. Today jews still con ‘christians’ into giving money to jew causes.
    In Ephesians, Paul the jew tells the Europeans that “you were without hope in this world and have been allowed, by grace through a jew, to enter into the commonwealth of israel”.
    Does this not anger you?

    I would like someone to list one good thing that christianity brought to Europe. Very short list indeed.
    Do nit tell me about art and culture because the pre-christians had plenty of art and culture.

    Thank you in advance for the list.


  183. Invictus's Gravatar Invictus
    November 6, 2012 - 4:57 am | Permalink

    @ Curmudgeon
    I wasn’t previously aware of Lear’s other copies of UK TV series. Thanks.

    Unlike Lear; Johnny Speight, who wrote ‘Till Death Us Do Part’, doesn’t appear to have been Jewish. His family background was very poor, and he attended a Roman Catholic school.

  184. November 6, 2012 - 1:25 am | Permalink


    I think a lot of it has to do with whether the girl had a good father growing up; so many girls didn’t and don’t, and our society suffers the effects of that.

    There are few strong White fathers now, I think largely because in the 70s and 80s nobody wanted to be regarded like Archie Bunker. This has ramifications like children not being told that they must not date outside their race, and, more generally, spinelessness in males and sluttiness in females.

  185. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 12:47 am | Permalink

    I was not aware that Christians were unwelcome in the white community. May I ask who has decreed it so?

  186. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 6, 2012 - 12:45 am | Permalink

    Glad to be of service 9. Being this old ought to be good for something.

  187. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 5, 2012 - 10:57 pm | Permalink

    @Ex-Pro-White Activist: I guess the Republicans were so enamoured of Ron Paul austerity and his Austrian School economics (reprise the Constitution, audit the Fed, then abolish) that they got fully behind his run.☺

    The last Republican with any small government leanings was Harding.

  188. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 5, 2012 - 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Yes, the first ad is a ‘those black men have such big ####,
    I mean big strong hands’.
    The 1st one was disgusting.
    Second much milder.

  189. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 5, 2012 - 10:37 pm | Permalink

    I didnt watch, except for a few minutes..
    It was/is so anti White.

    Her ridiculous voice and his gruff persona….
    Compare them to the Kramdens, for instance.

  190. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 5, 2012 - 10:29 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    I dont watch TV, but I do study propaganda..thanks you 2.

  191. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 5, 2012 - 10:27 pm | Permalink

    And what was the name of the Shows writer? or director? producer?

  192. cecil henry's Gravatar cecil henry
    November 5, 2012 - 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Yes its quite amusing and ridiculous to see how much time Archie spent helping out Jewish causes in the series.

    Almost seems like he was putting Jewish issues before his own in the end.

    Of course, he was. For Hollywood, that the whole purpose–undermine the interests of whites like ARchie for the benefit of Jews.

    Contemptible hypocrisy.

  193. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 5, 2012 - 10:06 pm | Permalink


    “Is TOO now a christian identity forum?”

    I’ve never seen “thm” promote the Christian Identity denomination.

    Actually, most of the Christians who visit this site do not seem to belong to that branch.

  194. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 5, 2012 - 9:53 pm | Permalink


    Is TOO now a christian identity forum? What is this rubbish? You need to be freed from your christian chains. The christogeneas have the delusion that the never existed ancient israelites were European. You self-styled white fake christians need to get a grip
    on reality. White identity is incompatible with christianity.

  195. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 5, 2012 - 9:48 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Thanks for letting me know you appreciated it.


    “It seems to me that part of the goal is to get White women into a perpetual rejection mode of White men.”

    Thankfully most White women probably still find Black men less desirable than White men, for multiple reasons.

    I think a lot of it has to do with whether the girl had a good father growing up; so many girls didn’t and don’t, and our society suffers the effects of that.

  196. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 5, 2012 - 9:43 pm | Permalink

    @Sandman: “It seems to me that part of the goal is to get white woman into a perpetual rejection mode of white men.”

    Yes it seems so. Of course this is not a big concern for many white men OR WOMEN!!

  197. Riley DeWiley's Gravatar Riley DeWiley
    November 5, 2012 - 9:40 pm | Permalink

    We need to satirize libtards the same way they have satirized working class whites. There needs to be a hippie Archie Bunker. The closest I can think of is the Dude in The Big Lebowski.

  198. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    November 5, 2012 - 9:09 pm | Permalink

    @Richard, I’m at a point now where I fully expect an anti-White theme in any new advertisment. Not all are of course but it’s shocking how often they are. Some blatant, others subtle like the Guiness beer commercial you gave a link to. It seems to me that part of the goal is to get White women into a perpetual rejection mode of White men. Also, they want White men to define themselves through the number of black friends they have. So if you have accepted the alpha black male as superior, you will be spared direct ridicule and can exist as a second or third stringer. It’s your only escape.
    As for Lear’s All in the Family, it’s one of those times where the public thinks it’s great for one reason and the Jews think it’s great for another. Their usual way of laughing at us not with us. Becaue they think we still don’t know it’s anti-White propaganda. Like someone else here said, the contempt towards all Whites was palpable in this series. Liberal (meathead,gloria,edith) or conservative archie. All were over the top stupid regardless of opinion. …And the Willis character on “The Jeffersons” was another low point. Fat, stupid, privilaged, guilt ridden, junk food addict, feminized, more money than brains, cowardly, willing punching bag for Jefferson and his own colored wife. Take a bow Willis, you had quite a career.

  199. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 5, 2012 - 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Good catch, Richard!

  200. passion for service's Gravatar passion for service
    November 5, 2012 - 7:41 pm | Permalink

    “Identifying racially conscious attitudes with stupidity is brilliant because the vast majority of White people are insecure about their beliefs. They desperately want to feel that they are on the same page as the New York Times and National Public Radio when it comes to their attitudes on race.”

    That’s why I enjoy my dedication to being as much of a Racist as possible, because with Racism comes such extreme certainty. The Diversity keeps proving me right, and therefore I’m never insecure in my beliefs, but instead, the rightness of my racist mindset gets stronger every day.

    I regulary break an important anti racist rule for Whites:

    “No matter how dangerous blacks are, being scared of them is worse.”

    I’m secure in my worseness.

  201. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 5, 2012 - 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for exposing the propaganda.

    I watched a few episodes of the show on T.V. Land (a tv channel) a few years ago.

    Nothing about it seemed great, so I stopped watching, but I did like Edith a little bit — she had some kind of feminine warmth.

    Back to the topic of propaganda.

    Since commenter (under this article) already mentioned the great site of archived anti-White commercials ( I thought I’d share a new one I found recently.

    This one is more subtle than some of the others.

    It seems to be popular, because I don’t watch much television and yet I’ve seen it several times now.

    One woman is criticizing another woman’s boyfriend, who the viewer probably assumes is White, especially when she mentions his small girly hands. And then right after that, she is receiving advice from a knowledgeable, masculine Black male, with the final shot focusing on his large hands.

    And here is a brand new beer commercial.

    If you watch the video once or twice, I think you will notice an anti-White theme.

    I hope the person who created the Anti-White Media website, if he or she is reading this, feels free to add these two videos to the great collection.

  202. thm's Gravatar thm
    November 5, 2012 - 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Fender and Franz, since you make this diatribe against the Christian Faith over and over and over again here at TOO, why don’t you just type up your relentlessly repeated message and just paste it into every thread here. That will save you the trouble of having to type it up again and again and again.

  203. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 5, 2012 - 5:48 pm | Permalink

    My sentiments exactly. The German Friedrich Nietzsche said that christianity was the revenge of the jew against the European.
    Christianity is anti-European psychological warfare. It is a philosophy that is anti-life and anti-human. Christianity is based on the old testamen. Just like the talmud has its origins in the O.T..
    Both are irrational, hateful, vengeful, merciless. Similar to that other old testament religion called islam.

  204. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 5, 2012 - 5:38 pm | Permalink


    I don’t think it was greed that made Christians blind, it was Christianity itself. How can one simultaneously be a White Nationalist and worship a jew who preached about equality for everyone? Christianity always resulted in dysfunction in Europe, intellectually and politically.

  205. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 5, 2012 - 5:26 pm | Permalink

    As far as TV and movies go, just cannot avoid the jew. I was going to purchase the Thor movie. Who in the blazes is in it? The yenta from israhell named Natalie Portman (Schlagel).
    If not a jew, it is Denzel Washington or one of his kin.
    We need to organize a boycott against all that joolywood produces.

  206. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 5, 2012 - 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Well Fender! What can I say?

    That was an egregious error on the part of our ancestors. The entire human race is paying the price for the lack of vision of the ancients of Europe. It was evident that jews were khazars and not European. When Kiev was the capital Russia the Russian Monarch destroyed the khazarian white slave trade and jews flooded in Russia and Poland.
    All the Popes knew the evil of the jew. All they had to do was read the old testament. Even the new testament makes it very clear on the intent of the jew. The old European leaders of the church had no excuse.
    Christains of today have no excuse eirher for supporting jews and israhell. It seems that greed always deceives ‘christians’ when it comes to the jew.
    I do not think that the human race has grasped the depth of evil and depravity lhat is in that tribe.
    Our peopke are not even aware of a book called the talmud.
    Martin Luther said that other than the Devil there is only one threat. That threat is the jew. I would disagree about the Devil. Compared to the jew, the Devil is a decent being. If Devil existed that is.

  207. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 5, 2012 - 4:55 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: In fact, Luke, if one goes over O’Connors filmography, one would find that he often was cast in roles as the “white, or sometimes,southern bigot”, often a cop. He did this so well, that I believe this was the reason he was picked for All in the Family. What I did not know, is what you pointed out about his political and personal views, his being a far leftist shill. But then again, it figures, doesn’t it? Leftists have very little integrity outside of the “programs” they are carrying out. True communists to the core.

  208. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 5, 2012 - 3:46 pm | Permalink


    “Why is that allowed? We let them return. We never learn, because of brainwashing to love our enemies.”

    I think it had more to do with Christian Europeans seeing Jews as non-Christians as opposed to non-Europeans, and therefore thinking that baptizing Jews would turn them into nice Christian Europeans.

  209. Tim's Gravatar Tim
    November 5, 2012 - 3:37 pm | Permalink

    @briton: I was 10 years old when the show began. I remember laughing when Archie (in many episodes) told The Meathead to “get out of my chair”. It was pointed out to me by my father that Archie got up every day and went to work at a crummy job in order to PAY for that chair, as well as the roof over that parasitic Meathead’s head.

  210. November 5, 2012 - 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Good stuff. I remember hating that show with a passion back then. I link to this piece and recall some of my experiences with regard to the show here:

  211. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 5, 2012 - 2:35 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Romney is addicted to the flavor of jewish toe-jam that grows between the toes of jews who run the global crime syndicate that is sometimes referred to as ‘israel’.

    Domestic jews, who are infesting our nation, have a flavor of toe-jam that Mittens apparently doesn’t like.

  212. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 5, 2012 - 2:32 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I would tend to agree.

  213. Franz's Gravatar Franz
    November 5, 2012 - 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for link D.K.
    Every public official in Amerisrahell has black tongue disease from licking the dirty soles/souls of jew boots.
    This includes the pathetic jesse jackson jr. Jackson Sr was villified by jews. J junior goes to israhell to kiss derrieres and returns with psychotic breakdown.
    Coincidence? I know jews. Nothing is done by them by accident. Satan is a betterperson.

  214. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 5, 2012 - 1:41 pm | Permalink
    • omop's Gravatar omop
      November 5, 2012 - 1:50 pm | Permalink

      @ starera and friends.

      Jewish Fanaticism, is best examplified by a systematic eagerness to make non -jews feel guilty, to make them hang their heads and fall to their knees for crimes they did not commit, or for crimes for which Jews themselves might feel a little guilty but prefer “to transfer” to others.

      A former Israeli cabinet minister Shulamit Aloni (born 1928), during her August 14, 2002 interview with Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! said it all: “Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel then we bring up the holocaust.

      When in this country (US) people are criticizing Israel then they are antisemitic. And the organization (Israel Lobby) is very strong and has lot of money. And the ties between Israel and American Jewish establishment are very strong – and they are strong in this country as you know. And they have power which is ok”.

  215. franz's Gravatar franz
    November 5, 2012 - 1:08 pm | Permalink

    I know Jason. They have been expelled ftom the West over a hundred times. Simehow they always manage to slither back.
    Why is that allowed? We let them return. We never learn, because of brainwashing to love our enemies.
    There are too many stories to recount how European Emperors were bribed and duped by the jews to persecure their own people.
    We all know the fable of Joseph in Egypt. The story if the prostitute Esther and the king of Persia, possibly Ahasuereus.
    Oliver Cromwell, George Washington, Mass Murderer Abraham Luncoln.
    The list of Europeans turning the
    other cheek for the jew is too long to enumerate.
    We need to concentrate on converting the self-styled christian conservative on the jew enemy. It will be close to being impossible but it’s worth a try.

  216. franz's Gravatar franz
    November 5, 2012 - 11:07 am | Permalink

    Absolutely Jason.
    Obama was chosen by the jew judge Mikva of Chicago. Obama is the first jew- president due to their control over him.
    The presidents of the entire twentieth century were controlled by jews.
    A communist jew from Eastern Europe murders McKinley and the ziojew Theodore Rosenfelt becomes president. Eisenhower was a jew. Poss LBJ. I have read that JFK was starting to oppose jews but he never named names. He gave a speech about secret socuetiss without naming nsmes. The traitor president Fed Reserve Wilson was no different.
    The great Jefferson Davis had a jew for his vicepresident.
    While Davis was in prison jew Judah P Benjamin went to jew controlled jewengland.
    Yes, all Western politicians are kosher.

  217. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 5, 2012 - 10:49 am | Permalink


    Take heart. The Jews are not supernatural creatures who never make mistake.. Any group of people routinely kicked out of every country over the last 2,000 years is not doing something right. I feel we sometimes turn them into Magnificent Evil Ones who don’t fumble.

    I suspect they are on the verge of overplaying their hand in the US, just like they have everywhere else.

  218. franz's Gravatar franz
    November 5, 2012 - 10:39 am | Permalink

    Thumb is way too big to use for typing.

    Romney, like every other white ”christian’ politician in the West, is subservient to everything jew.
    The teapartiers who support Palin and Romney don’t have a clue that their enemy is the jew.
    They will turn on you like good ‘christians’ if you criticize jews and israHell.
    Overplaying the hand:
    Jews can never overplay their hand in the USof IsrAmerika because they own it.
    Even Pat Buchanan is afraid of jews. I always for his finger to point the jew out as the problem and it never happens.
    Someone mentioned Wm Freaking jew lover Buckley as a great conservative? He was a great shabos goy kosher conservative.

    The situation is hopeless. Wilhelm Mahr’s book about the death of Germany applies to the entire White world.
    Nothing will change except for the jews controlling more of our countries.

  219. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 5, 2012 - 10:35 am | Permalink


    However, I don’t think Romney is more under the influence of Jews than anyone else over the last 40 years. After all, something like 70% of Jews will vote for Obama.

  220. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 5, 2012 - 10:30 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Well no edit function, so please ignore the above. It should be:

    Anyway, whether Lear and his fellow jews realized it or not – most of the arguments that Archie had with Meathead wound up being won by Archie.

    This may be true, but I doubt that was their aim. They weren’t so much interested in winning arguments, as in stigmatizing certain people and ideas. They wanted to name-call and make certain things beyond acceptable society. Not by presenting facts and logic, but by what amounts to a sustained sneer.

    In that they succeeded.

  221. franz's Gravatar franz
    November 5, 2012 - 10:21 am | Permalink


    The sad thing is that millions of white ‘christians’ who believe that Mormons are going to hell will vote for the zionist Romney. These whites are voting for a filthy rich shabos goy vecause he is white. Not because Romney cares about them. Romney would have no problem nuking Utah, covertty if coyrse, if the jews told him to do it.

  222. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 5, 2012 - 10:20 am | Permalink


    Anyway, whether Lear and his fellow jews realized it or not – most of the arguments that Archie had with Meathead wound up being won by Archie.

    This may be true, but I doubt that was their aim. They weren’t so much interested in winning arguments, as in stigmatizing certain people and ideas. They wanted to name-call and make certain things beyond acceptable society. Not by presenting facts and logic, but by what amounts to a sustained sneer.

    In that they succeeded.

  223. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 5, 2012 - 10:20 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: My prediction is the opposite, Jason. Not as far as who will win, because I have a strong suspicion that the jews who are war mongering for war with Iran will probably rig the electronic voting machines to make sure Romney gets in – so he will give them their war. On the other hand, I have zero faith in the idea held by some naive souls that a war with Iran won’t happen if Obama gets the second term. I think he simply wants to hold off a while longer. Either way, I think the jews own both sides of the coin.

    No, what my disagreement with you is about is how the ‘establishment’ GOP leadership will react to a defeat of Romney. I am 100 percent convinced that the most hardcore White race traitors within the party establishment are going to pull an all-out power play to purge the party of any remaining immigration restrictionists and/or closeted White race realists. I am referring here to the Bushes, the Cheney’s, the Roves, the Gingriches, and the Romney faction – to the point that assumes a defeated Romney will have any remaining clout. This will result in a huge fracturing of the GOP, which is exactly what I think is desperately needed in order to completely destroy the GOP as a viable national party.

    There is one thing I’ve noticed about this deadly disease of ‘White hate’ that is engulfing our nation right now. Once this hatred for ‘whiteness’ infects someone – or once it is adopted as the standard for any particular group, party, or organization – it seems to be so virulent, so aggressive, and so all-encompassing – that it consumes its victims totally.

    All ability to think or behave or to strategize in a rational, objective and logical fashion seems to disappear. It is for this reason that I feel that once the hardcore anti-White faction of the GOP finally drops any pretense of concern for the interests of their White conservative base – and exposes themselves for what they are, vicious race traitors – the GOP is going to collapse and fall into the dung heap of history.

    Jeb Bush and Mark Rubio and the elephant sized Chris Christy
    are already spouting their anti-White, White genocide-must-be-embraced-at-all-costs political advice every time they find a TV camera or microphone close to their faces.

    Oh, and even if Romney wins – he’ll drive the final stake through the heart of the GOP by cutting a deal with the Democrats to amnesty 30-40 million illegals and then let them import their entire family tree, which will result in the GOP never again being able to win any national elections.

  224. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 5, 2012 - 10:11 am | Permalink

    Something like Sanford and Son would never air today, too many “stereotypes” i.e. realistic portrayal of American blacks. Note that it’s the pc whites (or Jews) and their educated negro pets who are the offended ones. The vast majority of blacks loved such exploitative fare.

  225. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 5, 2012 - 9:57 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: I remember being fond of All in the Family TV show – and, like you, it became pretty clear to me that the idea was to demonize the old White traditional America. The problem Lear had, though, was that he was like all liberals – they operate from a position that is based on touchy-feelly ’emotion’ and not from any position that is based on logic and truth.

    Hey, no matter how sorry you might feel for blacks or no matter how much white guilt you are consumed with – neither of those emotions can explain away the harsh truth about the overwhelming prevalence of black crime, right?

    Anyway, whether Lear and his fellow jews realized it or not – most of the arguments that Archie had with Meathead wound up being won by Archie.

    As for Carrol O’Connor – looking into this guys history reveals that he is a hard core, egg-sucking-dog liberal of the absolutely most nauseating variety. That doesn’t take anything away from his acting ability, however – because he was talented. Imagine how difficult it had to be for him to be a white self-hating race traitor, but play a character who didn’t mind being white and who had at least a blue-collar level understanding of racial realities?

  226. November 5, 2012 - 9:15 am | Permalink

    Most of Lear’s projects were twisted British knock-offs: Steptoe and Son (Whites) became Sanford and Son (Blacks); Man About the House became Three’s Company; etc. All were poor imitations.

  227. Ex-Pro-White Activist's Gravatar Ex-Pro-White Activist
    November 5, 2012 - 8:59 am | Permalink

    @Ex-Pro-White Activist:

    “not one” should read “not only”.

  228. Ex-Pro-White Activist's Gravatar Ex-Pro-White Activist
    November 5, 2012 - 8:58 am | Permalink

    One would certainly have to agree that the case that the best days of the White working class are long gone. Unlike more educated and well-off Whites, the working class can’t move so easily out of ethnically mixed neighborhoods or send their children to well-functioning public schools. The economic changes that have imported a new, predominantly Latino, working class in many parts of the country, the loss of private sector unions, shipping jobs overseas and the loss of social and religious support for the integrity of the family have had devastating effects on the White working class.

    This is an excellent summary. It be a great end note for the chapter titled, “End days of the Republican Party and the pro-white movement.”

    Not one is every word gospel truth, but it never even entered the calculus of those who advanced themselves as more capable leaders than the post-Rockwell leaders of the 1970s – 1990s.

    Ultimately their addiction to Jewish – so-called “Austrian School” – economics and Jewish style E-Z money financial paper flipping proved infinitely stronger than their loyalty to those of “their people” who were working class.

  229. Invictus's Gravatar Invictus
    November 5, 2012 - 7:30 am | Permalink

    There was an earlier “British” series that I think was a model for ‘AITF’. It was called ‘Till Death Do Us Part’. The central character, Alf Garnett, was played by Jew Warren Mitchell. He displayed a combination of general ignorance and stupidity, with opposition to immigration, Jews etc.

    Many of the British were able to distinguish between the stupid nonsense and the sensible politics, although doubtless many were not.

  230. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 5, 2012 - 7:25 am | Permalink

    I predict Romney barely wins the popular vote but loses the Electoral College, so Obama wins. Intrade, the gambling site, has it 2 to 1 odds in Obama’s favor (supposedly they have a good record because people bet with their own money). I figure there is a STRONG hold in key states for Dems.

    I do suspect Romney barely wins the popular vote because politics is getting more racial, so I’m betting more Whites vote for him. But, we may be quite that racial in voting yet (but we are getting there).

    Of interest to me is the impact this would have on any pro-White movement. I think having Romney lose will signal an end to the old politics of never mentioning White voters (this is a HOPE more than anything, but it is a strong hope). If he loses, it will be obvious to some in the GOP that they have to get more White voters if they ever want a chance at White House again. And some may start getting explicit about it. If they don’t eventually some other party will.

    This prediction is worthless, by the way.

  231. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 5, 2012 - 6:59 am | Permalink

    @Bob Roberts: Yes, and we all know how much “integrity” the New York Times, has, (Jason Blair, making up stories,, Judith Miller, helping to lie us into the Iraq war,etc.) The New York Times is who is mentally ill. All of their babbling on immigration, is directed towards lessening the white majority. Simple as that.

  232. Bob Roberts's Gravatar Bob Roberts
    November 5, 2012 - 5:51 am | Permalink

    K.M. writes: “Illiberal attitudes are the result of irrational fear. Nothing more.” I get the same message when I read the NY Times on immigration. No one is ever simply opposed to immigration or to relatively open immigration. No, it is always a “fear of immigrants,” always the implication that opposition is irrational and acceptance the only possible stance for someone who is mentally healthy.

  233. Tim Howells's Gravatar Tim Howells
    November 5, 2012 - 5:38 am | Permalink

    Re the claim by Zimbardo that blacks are 8 times more likely than whites to act heroically. The source is apparently an unpublished study based on self-reports.

    Studies base on self-reports have also “proven” that Whites abuse drugs at a much higher rate than blacks, but studies based on rates of emergency admission for drug overdoses find that drug abuse among blacks is many times higher than for whites.

    Probably there is at least one severe methodological problem with Zimbardo’s unpublished study.

  234. Spectator's Gravatar Spectator
    November 5, 2012 - 4:57 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: Actually “dingbat” and “meathead” refer to specific individuals: Archie habitually referred to his wife as “dingbat” and to his son-in-law as “meathead”.

  235. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 5, 2012 - 2:02 am | Permalink

    @JasonH, re “Why can’t you believe in equality and democracy but oppose race replacement,” it is obvious enough that those ideas led our race into decline. Do you think that it is merely a coincidence that the century that brought the West universal suffrage also marked the end of all European empires one after the other?

    @omop, re “My opinion of Christian Zionists? They are scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.” -~Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister
    lol, great use of a fake quote, excellent propaganda tactic.

    @Scotsman, re “Sometimes they overplay their hand.” that’s an understatement for the ages, they always end up being run out of every country because of it, still they continue. Sooner or later the natives start taking their class warfare propaganda a little too seriously and decide to help themselves to a little jew money. Be thankful for their arrogance.

  236. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 5, 2012 - 12:12 am | Permalink

    Its premier– on January 12, 1971– was not quite fifty years ago! Try this, for that particular anniversary year:

  237. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    November 5, 2012 - 12:05 am | Permalink

    @Domain: Thank you for mentioning this. As I recall, the first and second seasons of this program gave a strong appearance of traditional American WASP values. Soon, however, the miscegenation and other anti-White propaganda set in. For example, if I remember correctly (this was a LONG time ago!), I think that the oldest son, Matt, and his Black college room-mate were both seeking the attentions of the same mixed-race girl. And I believe that the White pastor’s son was shown to be quite surprised to discover that the girl’s parents were actually Black, as he was supposed to be unaware of her race. In any event, the Black parents praised both the White and Black college men for their “open-mindedness” in being willing to date a poor and disadvantaged girl “who had trouble finding dates because of her skin color.”

    There were several other episodes normalizing miscegenation, including one in which the blond youngest child and his Black best friend, though still in about grade 8, were competing for the same White girlfriend, and the pastor’s son’s feeling were so hurt because he did not want to jeopardize his precious friendship with the Black boy over their common interest in a girl.

  238. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 4, 2012 - 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Great point about Edith. We must not overlook the assault made upon traditional married women via Edith. She was held in complete contempt because she was a modest woman with the modest aim of keeping peace in her household. She loved her husband, was grateful for his support and affection while maintaining a wise acceptance of his shortcomings. How much lower can any woman descend?

    I also found it interesting as a celebration of our dispossession. Meathead and Gloria were students, therefore, perfectly entitled to the full support of a hard working man. It was never suggested that he deserved any respect or appreciation – rather the contempt in which he was held was the main joke.

  239. Steve's Gravatar Steve
    November 4, 2012 - 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Jews have had and continue to have a monopoly of Hollywood. And not just the big screen. Of the 8 Ivy League schools, six have Jewish presidents. The remaining 2 school presidents both have Jewish spouses. Just a few years ago each Ivy League school had Jewish presidents.

    And let’s also mention advertising. Of the “big 4″ largest advertising agencies in the world, 3 are owned by Jews (WPP, Omnicom, and Publicis). This explains why most of the TV commercials not only contain an inordinate amount of Blacks, but incompetent Whites, and why the Sunday newspaper fliers are very diversified.

    And let’s not mention banking and the Federal Reserve. That’s a no-brainer.

    As a side note, with Tuesday’s Presidential election coming up, I sent this letter to family and friends of what to expect either the Obama or Romney administrations. Please feel free to copy this letter and send it to family and friends. It’s sublime but gets the message through. I hope.

    With the Presidential election days away, I’d like to comment on what we can expect with the future administration. As for the Presidential nominees themselves, I’ll refrain from any mention of them, because whether it’s Obama or Romney, it’s the same management. The real power lies with those behind the scenes.

    I sent out a similar email prior to Obama taking office in 2009 with predictions of what I thought would be the future actions of his administration. I don’t have a copy of this email, but from what I can recall, I was spot on. We all remember his campaign speeches about bringing the troops home, reducing immigration, protecting the borders, creating the most transparent administration, reducing the deficit, and so on. Millions of people voted for him and now regret it. These people were seduced by his lies and the massive media attention rendered to him. I knew exactly what was in store for us and didn’t believe the media hype for a second. For anyone that really wants to understand the big picture, the only source of information that hasn’t been compromised by those in power is the internet. But that is slowly changing, as more newly enacted laws clamp down on the internet. And I’m sure that many big internet companies, such as Face book, YouTube, and Google, are complicit with sharing our detailed personal information with certain government agencies.

    Whether it’s Obama or Romney, we can continue to expect more of the following: reduction of Constitutional rights, continued war on terror, austerity measures to reduce and privatize Social Security and Medicare, continued yielding of Constitutional powers to the United Nations, job outsourcing, increased debt, privatization of the US Postal Service, massive third-world immigration, media attacks against our customs and traditions, massive military spending, support for Israel, hate crime legislation, media blackout of crimes by certain ethnic groups, stricter internet legislation, collapse of the dollar and living standards, saber rattling against Iran and Russia and China, global warming agenda, and possibly another false flag such as 9-11 to further enact Draconian legislation to ban guns and erode any remaining Constitutional rights and national sovereignty.

    To put it bluntly, the 1% is forcing the 99% towards a single world government by creating a plural borderless society, known as globalization. This 1% is comprised of the Jewish Lobby that controls the media, banking, and politics. They in turn created an alliance with multinational corporations and the military industrial complex. These entities are enormously well financed, coordinated, entrenched, and determined to accomplish their agenda no matter how or what the cost.

    So what can be done to counter this threat? Be positive and get involved. Vote for a third party candidate, such as the Libertarian Party that wants to curb immigration, balance the budget, and reduce military spending. A vote for the Democrat or Republican Party is simply a vote for the status quo. Don’t allow the media to inform you, but rather refer to the internet for information. This website is an excellent starting point which I highly recommend;

    Talk about politics with friends and family, especially via the internet so others on social media websites can follow your lead and voice their concerns also. Things won’t get better if we simply remain silent and avoid the issue. Next, if a politician or teacher decides to cancel a certain holiday or event because it causes duress for newly arrived immigrants, protest their decision. Also send emails and make calls of protest to companies, banks, and media outlets that want to ban our holidays and traditions. And finally, if we exert just 10% of the energy we spend watching sports or entertainment television, we’d be able to defeat the 1%.

  240. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    November 4, 2012 - 10:39 pm | Permalink

    One thing that struck me as odd about “All in the Family” was Archie calling wife Edith a “dingbat.” I don’t know where Norman Lear or whoever got the idea that was an accurate depiction of White working class family life. Verbal abuse of that nature, from what I have seen, seems more typical of Jews. My mom once told me that my grandfather moved the family out of a heavily Jewish neighborhood on the west side of Los Angeles because the squabbling of Jews annoyed him.

  241. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 4, 2012 - 8:54 pm | Permalink

    Fender said it best, “The Jews themselves are a hate group.”

  242. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 4, 2012 - 8:38 pm | Permalink

    “Shipping jobs overseas” is attributable to monetary policy pursued by the US. The benefits of an over-valued currency flow to importers in the US; the benefits of under-valued currency flow to exporters, for the Asian nations. This is textbook mercantilism, beggaring both the Asian consumer and the American manufacturing worker.

  243. norman S's Gravatar norman S
    November 4, 2012 - 8:04 pm | Permalink

    It’s amazing how many people missed the politics and agreed with Archie to the chagrin of the writers. There were even Archie for President T shirts.

  244. Domain's Gravatar Domain
    November 4, 2012 - 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Whatever we see of Jews on television, it is always out of proportion to what they deserve. Take the Aaron Spelling family series “7th Heaven,” about a Christian pastor and his large family. In typical TV fashion, they had the oldest daughter marry a Jew, and the pastor and his wife became best friends with the rabbi. It was never shown as an equal friendship, but rather the rabbi was always lecturing the pastor about something the pastor ought to change about himself.

    In the real world, Jews are practically irrelevant to nearly all Christians. The notion of a rabbi and Christian pastor being good friends only happens on TV.

  245. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 4, 2012 - 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Lol the ADL is so sensitive that it doesn’t even realize that Baron-Cohen’s intent is to lampoon antisemites.

  246. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 4, 2012 - 7:04 pm | Permalink

    @Athling: I could start a real argument with you by saying that I possibly loathe these people more!!!!

  247. Athling's Gravatar Athling
    November 4, 2012 - 6:53 pm | Permalink

    With regard to Archie Bunker I think Lear really intended him to be a lovable bigot back then. Today, I don’t think Archie would be shown as anything but a vile racist.

  248. thm's Gravatar thm
    November 4, 2012 - 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Abe Foxman believed that the mass of White people identified with Archie Bunker:

    source: What’s the ADL’s beef with Sacha Baron Cohen?

    Foxman traced Baron Cohen’s humor back to TV’s Archie Bunker, the loudmouthed bigoted head of the household in the 1970s sitcom “All in the family.”

    “The argument then was that people are laughing at Archie Bunker. We said: No, they’re not laughing at him, they’re laughing with him,” he said. Foxman said that America will be laughing with Baron Cohen too.

    The ADL spoke out against Baron Cohen’s humor as early as 2004, when his fictional character Borat, a Kazakh journalist, sat in an Arizona bar and sang about his desire to “throw the Jew down the well,” to the raucous applause of bar-goers.

    “While we understand this scene was an attempt to show how easily a group of ordinary people can be encouraged to join in an anti-Semitic chorus, we are concerned that the irony may have been lost on some of your audience — or worse, that some of your viewers may have simply accepted Borat’s statements about Jews at face value,” the group wrote to Baron Cohen.

  249. Athling's Gravatar Athling
    November 4, 2012 - 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, I didn’t mean to snap at you but I have become very sensitive to this and am outraged by it. I see the effects this media campaign against whites is having on our young people. Attitudes and norms are changing and not for the better. I loathe the miscreants in the media involved in this. That’s all.

  250. Germanacus's Gravatar Germanacus
    November 4, 2012 - 6:35 pm | Permalink

    I was not aware of that website Athling. Pretty disgusting. I have been reading TOO for some time now but have no interest in arguing with the regulars and therefore do not comment here. Thanks for the link.

  251. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 4, 2012 - 6:31 pm | Permalink

    P.S. Athling, I read my orginal reply to you, and I can see how you thought I was trying to argue or start some debate. Not at all!! In fact, it was the truth of what you were saying and warning people about, that motivated me to try and bring in the reasons people often see the things you pointed out, but learn nothing from it!!

  252. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 4, 2012 - 6:26 pm | Permalink

    @Athling: Oh, I most definelty did not take it with a grain of salt. I not only went to the article, but in fact, I came upon this website some time back. It’s utterly sickening. I was also enraged when Dr. MacDonald had the article on the B.S. going on in Duluth.

  253. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 4, 2012 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

    @Athling: Nonetheless, I appreciate your pointing out that website. I only wanted to warn others, that unless we see these images, and reconsider them, especially the youth, that never seems to be able to focus on anything for more than a few seconds before boredom sets it, they will be the victims of their laziness, unawareness.

  254. Athling's Gravatar Athling
    November 4, 2012 - 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Did you view the website there Bobby? You seem to take it with a grain of salt. I don’t. You also seem to assume there are no new visitors to this website and that any there are already aware of the extent to which the media is working to alter social norms. Didn’t post the website to start an argument. Get it?

  255. Athling's Gravatar Athling
    November 4, 2012 - 6:13 pm | Permalink

    My intention was not a debate about Classical Conditioning. Only that advertisers are using it to associate positive attitudes toward white racial dissolution.

  256. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 4, 2012 - 5:47 pm | Permalink

    @briton: Beautifully expressed.

  257. briton's Gravatar briton
    November 4, 2012 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

    I was almost out of high school when my best friend and I first came across All in the Family on TV.

    Whatever Lear’s intent, it backfired on my friend and I as we both saw Archie as displaying preeminent sense on most issues. Instead, we saw Meathead and Gloria as the ones displaying a certain vision of social reality that simply did not exist. We understood Archie’s social reality very well, his fears as well-founded, and his generalities perfectly grounded.

  258. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 4, 2012 - 5:33 pm | Permalink

    @Athling: Athling, maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think it sounds incredible at all. I believe that only people who are unobservant, and therefore clueless about this matter may think it incredible. Again, It’s not about “seeing”, it’s about “observing”. The brain learns very little when it only takes in the raw material of sight. One has to “look back”, so to speak, at what one just saw and then something registers in the brain. Furthermore, that “looking back”, or considering what was seen, must be done more than once, for the brain to form a final concept, and the reason is, that all concepts are patterns in the brain, formed by seeing similar things, over and over. I didn’t mean to expand on this for so long, but the problem with many people is they never take that “second or third look”, which would be called observing, rather than just seeing, and therfore they are left without a lesson, as to what they just saw.

  259. Athling's Gravatar Athling
    November 4, 2012 - 5:19 pm | Permalink

    For anyone here not aware of this website that is documenting the anti-white media and the tactics they use, I would urge you to give them a visit.

    Make no mistake, a silent psychological war is being waged against us. A war designed for white racial dissolution. Young white boys are being taught that the African is the true virtue of manhood. Young white girls are being conditioned to see the white man as a bumbling idiot and the black man as their true mate to be desired and lusted after.

    This may sound incredible but it is actually happening. Awareness is the first step toward action. Visit the website. Learn their tactics.

  260. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 4, 2012 - 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Exactly, European Americans worried about their own displacement, perversion of sexual mores, etc. are Archie Bunker: old, dumb, grouchy, obstacles to “progress” etc., if not mentally ill. “Progress” has always meant movement to a Balkanized, Jewish-dominated country. Like Eustace Mullins said, those who oppose Jewish interests are called “reactionary” because they are reacting to a hostile, parasitic presence. Removing a tick that has attached itself to your body is also a reactionary action.

  261. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 4, 2012 - 5:14 pm | Permalink


    “Re: Phillip Zimbardo’s claim that blacks were 8 times more likely to engage in heroic behaviour, I would reply, first, that he is half Jewish, ”

    Carl Schmitt recommended that jewish writers, researchers, etc. should always be cited as jews. That way it’ll be easier to see why it is they say the things they do.

    “…it is no longer possible to quote a Jewish writer just as any other writer. It would be downright irresponsible to quote a Jewish author as an expert witness, or even as some sort of authority in the field. A Jewish writer is for us no source of authority — not even as a “purely scientific” authority. This finding is a starting point when considering the issue of the quotations. For us, a Jewish writer, even when he is quoted at all, remains a Jewish author. The adding of the word and the designation ‘Jewish’ is not an external characteristic, but something essential…”

  262. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 4, 2012 - 5:02 pm | Permalink

    @Rick Sanchez: Great post Rick. Also, what you bring up is a super relevant topic for the concerns of American nationalists.

  263. omop's Gravatar omop
    November 4, 2012 - 4:49 pm | Permalink

    @ winston.

    google it.. young again,org

  264. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 4, 2012 - 4:48 pm | Permalink

    @Achaean: Zimbardo, has long been the darling of the leftist, San Francisco Bay area crowd. If I have to hear about the “Prison experiment,”or the “Lucifer Effect”, I swear I will never again even think of turning on PBS. I love how that channel, consistently tells people that they should be watched because unlike other TV stations, “they don’t have an agenda”. OOOKaayyy…………B.S.

  265. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    November 4, 2012 - 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Re: Phillip Zimbardo’s claim that blacks were 8 times more likely to engage in heroic behaviour, I would reply, first, that he is half Jewish, and, second, that his definition is cultural Marxist to its core. A hero, for him, is someone who works to advance liberal egalitarian principles despite attendant costs to oneself, primarily non-whites who work for progressive causes, and whites who don’t act in their own ethnic interests but dedicate themselves to advancing the status of non-whites. In the very first minutes of his TED lecture, we learn only about heroic blacks who stood up to racist whites, that Hitler = Evil, whereas Gandhi, who enjoyed sleeping with very young girls, is the embodiment of Good. We also learn that whites who helped Jews are heroic. We hear, for example, about Rosa Parks, and about a Polish woman, Irena Sendler, who risked her life to save Jews. His goal is to increase the number of heroes in Western societies, which means the number of non-whites and whites who sacrifice themselves to non-white causes. His concept of heroism is just that, anti-white propaganda. I cannot believe this trivial man was given such a prominent forum,

  266. Rick Sanchez's Gravatar Rick Sanchez
    November 4, 2012 - 4:32 pm | Permalink

    “[O]nce you get your opponent to admit that yes, Jews do run the media, the usual fall back line is to say that it really doesn’t make any difference.”

    I just picked up a book called “The Future of Power” by Joseph Nye out of curiosity.

    It turns out that Nye, a Harvard political scientist, also wrote a book about a concept he invented called “Soft Power.”

    Soft Power is the ability to attract and co-opt rather than coerce, use force or give money as a means of persuasion.

    I think that Nye’s concepts might really relate to Judaism and how it seeks power.

    Anyone interested should check it out:

  267. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 4, 2012 - 3:51 pm | Permalink

    The level of hate that jews have for Whites in general is impressive, but their hate for middle American, middle-class Whites is truly inexplicable. These were the kids who went over to Europe to murder Germans and free the jews during WW2, and this is how the jews thank them: by portraying them as stupid and worthless sacks of meat.

    Wait a second… that’s it! The depiction of Whites on jewish TV IS accurate! Middle-class middle American Whites are dumbasses! After all they fought a war to save the very people who are destroying them. How AREN’T they stupid? The only thing Lear got wrong was the antisemitism; in real life people like Archie Bunker would be philosemites who believe in jeebus and supporting israel.

    I guess it’s for the better that these artless, trashy, mass-produced jew tv shows aren’t seen by today’s generations. The problem is the new shows that promote miscegenation; we should focus on them. jews never want to make lasting art, art that would be appreciated centuries into the future. They only excel at making propaganda garbage; all of their efforts are poured into making shows that subvert and destroy their host people. What a sad people they are.

  268. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 4, 2012 - 3:25 pm | Permalink

    My final comment on this article is that I once again, would like to thank Dr. Kevin McDonald, for being a light, in that darkness that has been spread throughout this country and in other Western Nations, at the expense of and by the enemies of caucasians everywhere. I’m gratefull Doc, for being made aware of THE WHOLE PICTURE, NOT JUST THE PART WE “NEED” TO KNOW.

  269. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 4, 2012 - 3:18 pm | Permalink

    @Fatboy: Professor McDonald also has a talent for understatement, calling the sycophantic, stupid, white guy on the Jeffersons a “dingbat”. I’ve got about a hundred adjectives I’d like to release on that character, or rather the writer that put words into his mouth, but it’s Sunday and……..

  270. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 4, 2012 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    @Scotsman: “Sometimes they overplay their hand.”

    Buddy, you have a definite talent for understatement.

  271. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 4, 2012 - 3:08 pm | Permalink

    I swear to you, television in the U.S. is like a recurring nightmare. I well remember when All in the Family first came on in the beginning of the seventies. Some(not all) of my friends were so thrilled about his show. They loved both Archies ignorance as well as his stupid wife and meathead. After a short while, I realized what the show was really about. It wasnt’ that my mind characterized the show thru verbalization, no, it was more an intuitive feeling that kept tugging at me. I knew without a doubt, that the writer had no respect at all for white people, and that his goal was simply to put them in the worst light imaginable.
    Of course, I knew nothing about Norman Lears background at that time, and when I finally did years later, things crystalized so clearly, that it was then that all doubts wer erased from my mind that there are people in this country who are on an anti-white mission, scumball communist, leftist, Lear being one of them.

  272. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    November 4, 2012 - 3:08 pm | Permalink


    I see “All in the Family” as more obviously manipulative than Prof. MacDonald does. I am not sure how one measures the effect such a show has on the public. I suppose the fact that it is even on television can be seen as a victory for those responsible for it by affecting the public discourse.

  273. November 4, 2012 - 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Book review in the Jewish Forward for a new book titled: IS SUPERMAN JEWISH?

    Faster Than A Speeding Tallis
    Exploring Jewish Roots of Superman and American Comics

    By Douglas Wolk
    Published November 04, 2012, issue of November 09, 2012.


    There has been a little boom, recently, in books about the links between Jews and comic books. Stack up Simcha Weinstein’s “Up, Up, and Oy Vey: How Jewish History, Culture, and Values Shaped the Comic Book Superhero,” Danny Fingeroth’s “Disguised as Clark Kent: Jews, Comics, and the Creation of the Superhero,” Arie Kaplan’s “From Krakow to Krypton: Jews and Comic Books,” Paul Buhle’s “Jews and American Comics: An Illustrated History of an American Art Form,” Fredrik Strömberg’s “Jewish Images in the Comics” and the academic anthology “The Jewish Graphic Novel: Critical Approaches,” and you’ll have trouble leaping over them in a single bound. On top of that pile, we now get this volume by a philosophy and humanities professor — and at this point, it really needs to add something new to the conversation.

    Read more:

  274. winston's Gravatar winston
    November 4, 2012 - 2:52 pm | Permalink

    your source please, for PM Netanyahu saying such a thing..?

  275. Scotsman's Gravatar Scotsman
    November 4, 2012 - 2:43 pm | Permalink

    “By the end of its 12-year run, even archenemy Archie Bunker had raised a Jewish child in his home, befriended a black Jew (implication: Judaism has no ethnic connotations), gone into business with a Jewish partner, enrolled as a member of a synagogue, praised his close friend at a Jewish funeral, hosted a Sabbath dinner, participated in a bat mitzvah ceremony, and joined a group to fight synagogue vandalism. ”

    Does all of that sound in any way plausible ? Im sure many white working class guys enroll in synagogues. Sometimes they overplay their hand.

  276. omop's Gravatar omop
    November 4, 2012 - 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Don’t forget politics too Dr. Mc.

    “Politics in America has become a Jewish profession, just like law and the arts. ” ~Ira Forman, The Jewish Daily Forward, March 20, 2008

    “My opinion of Christian Zionists? They are scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.” -~Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister

  277. Jaego's Gravatar Jaego
    November 4, 2012 - 2:24 pm | Permalink

    The other night on 20/20 I believe, they had a piece on a new project by the famous social pyschologist Phillip Zimbardo: the Heroic Imagination. He just threw out there that Blacks were 8 times more likely to engage in heroic behavior than Whites. And Hispanic men twice as likely. Prof MacDonald, what do you think? Any chance that Black impulsivity could lead them to get involved more often than Whites? In other word, just as cops and criminals have the same personality type, could Blacks do good and evil in the same impulsive way?

    They didn’t define heroic very well of course. But they did portray supposedly real incidents of Black Women saving White Men….

  278. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    November 4, 2012 - 2:10 pm | Permalink

    I remember a report from the U.S. Department of Labor on work in America that, oddly enough, attacked “All in the Family” from the left for presenting a bigoted view of the working class as being stupid. The show itself, although funny at times, was inane propaganda in a number of ways. As mentioned in the article, the suggestion that the White working class had a positive view of Herbert Hoover is ridiculous. Hearing that notion in the opening song made it clear that the show was going to be crude propaganda. Interesting to me was that, from the early episodes, some Whites had sympathy for Archie’s concerns as being quite rational. They had experience living in multicultural neighborhoods with gangs and so forth. They also knew that people who made shows such as “All in Family” avoided such neighborhoods themselves. All that, of course, continues even more so to this day.

  279. JasonH's Gravatar JasonH
    November 4, 2012 - 2:07 pm | Permalink

    “the best days of the White working class are long gone”

    It doesn’t seem like many people on the far right or the racialist right really care about ordinary white people. I’ve never understood why to be pro-white you also have to attack egalitarianism and believe in the primacy of the few over the many. Why can’t you believe in equality and democracy but oppose race replacement?

  280. November 4, 2012 - 2:06 pm | Permalink

    The Jews of Prime Time

    “…the jewish founders of the three major networks — William S. Paley (CBS), David Sarnoff (NBC), and Leonard Goldenson (ABC) — dictated the kinds of shows Americans would watch…”

  281. fnn's Gravatar fnn
    November 4, 2012 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

    At the time that AITF first came on the air the man who personified conservatism in the public mind was the erudite William F. Buckley. I wasn’t a fan of WFB but the point should be clear.

  282. Fatboy's Gravatar Fatboy
    November 4, 2012 - 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Norman Lear also produced The Jeffersons, about an upwardly mobile black family, which is harmless, I suppose, in and of itself, but their best friends are a miscegenated couple with a white husband and black wife. Perhaps the earliest example of the media’s current pro racial mixing craze.

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