Mutual Red State-Blue State Secession: Let’s agree to disagree

Since the election, secession is in the air. So far 20 states have filed petitions. This is mostly symbolic, but it merited an op-ed by one Paul VanDevelder in the LATimes “One nation — but maybe not so indivisible: You red states want to secede? Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.” (I guess that J. M. Berger is wrong that advocating secession “might finally get me fired” [Foreign Policy, "My Awakening], thereby making those wonderfully tolerant folks at the SPLC deliriously happy. After all, if  advocating secession is okay for a writer in the L. A. Times, it shouldn’t imperil my academic career.)

Obviously VenDevelder is a fan of blue state America, but what he says presents an ideal picture: A mutual understanding that red state and blue state America should just go their separate ways (VanDevelder’s article was titled “Irreconcilable differences” in the print edition). This is a point that Greg Johnson made in a recent podcast with Matt Parrott and me: The ideal secession scenario would be if both red state and blue state America agreed to go their separate ways. Non-violently.

Mr. VanDevelder is quite on board with that.

We wish you the best of luck with this. We feel your pain. If we can speak frankly, it’s been coming for a long, long time. The question now is: What’s next?

First, we’re happy to report that most people here in Oregon, Washington and California think you’re really on to something. This marriage has run its course. Too many niggling little things built up over time, driving us all crazy. So let’s just stop. It’s time to divvy up the china and draft a property settlement. In the spirit of fairness and goodwill, we propose the following as a starting point.

We’ll keep the West Coast, Nevada and Hawaii, New York, the rest of the Northeast and all the other states that turned blue on election night. You guys get Texas, Mississippi, the rest of the Confederacy and all the other states that turned red on election night. Alaska can do whatever it wants. It does what it wants anyway.

 What Mr. VanDevelder has in mind is the following map.


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VanDevelder also thinks Austin, Texas should be a special blue protectorate. He’s probably right. I was there recently, and the reigning slogan seems to be “Keep Austin Weird”—visible on tee shirts and coffee mugs on sale everywhere. Very un-Red-State.

Austin is negotiable. But if we grant them that, how about all the red counties that are in blue states, as seen on the following map? VanDevelder is happy to be getting Yosemite, but it looks to me that it is in the heart of red California.

I couldn’t agree more that the divorce is overdue. VanDevelder is horrified by the culture of red state America, but hey, let’s take a look at the culture of blue state America. Just today the LATimes has an article on public nudism in San Francisco–the heart and soul of blue state culture. Urban nudism is now quite common in certain areas, and we find that “some [nudists] apparently accessorized the usual shoes and sun hats with jewelry that cannot be described fully in a family newspaper.” Hmmm,  I am not sure I want to find out what that means.

This gentleman is much classier:

LATImes caption: George Davis, 65, exercises his right to be nude while reading at the corner of 17th and Castro streets in San Francisco. (Maria L. LaGanga, Los Angeles Times / November 18, 2012)

Yes, there is so much to love about the culture of blue state America. It’s true that there is an attempt to ban public nudity, but the leader of the proposed ban, Scott Wiener,  is hardly a candidate for life in red state America:

“It was fine to have a random [naked] person walking through the neighborhood once in a while. It was fine at public festivals and parades. …  What’s happening now is … a caricature.”

I doubt the ban will win. To ban such expressions would be very un-blue state. Naturally, the “naturists” are fighting back:

They held a nude-in on the steps of City Hall. Then they filed a federal lawsuit.

To Gypsy Taub, protest organizer and hostess of a local show called “My Naked Truth TV,” the proposed ban is proof that officials want to turn the city back into “the Dark Ages of body shame and fear.”

Besides, the proposed ban would have only limited effect:

The proposed ban would not stop the athletically inclined from jettisoning their shorts during the Bay to Breakers run — the historic, costume-optional race through this city’s microclimates (chilly to chillier). And Dykes on Bikes could wear — or not — whatever they wished during the Pride Parade.

So let’s move on with the divorce. Couldn’t possibly happen soon enough. Of course, Mr. VanDevelder may be in for  rude awakening when he finds that some of the ethnic parts of the Democrat coalition are not at all keen on gay issues.

There is a certain urgency now with the Republicans gearing up to support an amnesty that will speed up the blueification of the rest of America.

Republicans “are in a free-fall, and the only parachute they have is the immigration reform parachute, and they should pull that rip cord,” said Angela Kelley, an immigration policy expert at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank based in Washington, D.C. ” A lot are tugging at it,” she said. (see here)

Bad times when the Republicans are heeding the advice from the Center for American Progress (“Major individual donors include George Soros, Peter Lewis, Steve Bing, and Herbert M. Sandler”; see here) and the Republican Jewish Coalition.

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150 Comments to "Mutual Red State-Blue State Secession: Let’s agree to disagree"

  1. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 19, 2012 - 2:11 pm | Permalink

    There is some teeth in this thing on this round. Just received communications from Bama about a petition that is circulating with thousands of signatures.

  2. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 19, 2012 - 2:15 pm | Permalink

    The blue areas would be exposed as the parasites they are: the hostile elite would have to pay exorbitant prices to import food and fuel from the red areas, meanwhile there would be no white middle class tax base to subsidize their minority pets. In the meantime the latter would would storm the elite’s gated communities soon enough due to lack of handouts or revulsion at their social degeneracy, it would be similar to Planet of the Apes.

  3. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 19, 2012 - 2:17 pm | Permalink

    They can have the Southwest, but we’re keeping Texas, goshdarnit!!!!!!!

  4. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    November 19, 2012 - 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Secession is indeed an exciting idea, but if I could contribute my 2 cents, I think it would be best if the South was its own region. My preference would be to have the Midwestern red states, which are primarily White, as a separate entity. The region is about the geographical size of Western Europe, which is an ideal size. Including most of the current U.S.’s population of African Americans in an ethnostate is a horror best left to the Southerners to cope with.

    A midwestern European nation would be a paradise, with an existing population that is not only overwhelmingly White, including very few Semitics, but has its own conservative Midwestern culture, plenty of resources and room to grow. Were this dream to become a reality, such a nation over time would have its pick of the cream of the European stock, as the West falls deeper into dystopia.

  5. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 19, 2012 - 2:58 pm | Permalink

    @Andrew: Nice comments. I would direct you to John Calhoun’s ‘Disquisition on Government’ and his ‘Discourse on the Constitution of the United States.’ Somewhere, I think in some of his letters or speeches, he also discusses that the next evolutionary step for the American Republic should’ve been a middle regional tier between the state bodies and the general government. He also suggested the positive effect of having a “President” from each region, each with a power of nullification.

  6. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 19, 2012 - 3:01 pm | Permalink

    @Sir Tristram: Personally, I also think the Republicans should look into developing a concept that I like to call “vertical citizenship.” That way we wouldn’t really have to worry about all these different people in our horizontal midst, past calling for an absolute moratorium on all immigration. The baseline on “vertical citizenship” would be the ability to speak the English language.

  7. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 19, 2012 - 3:16 pm | Permalink

    @Andrew, I agree, I love living in the south, but i wouldn’t want y’all to have to deal with our dreadful problems. We southerners are nothing if not polite. Also I think the Midwest probably has a purer Nordic core that should be protected, whereas we have our own Celtic and Latin (in Louisiana and Florida) heritage.

  8. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 19, 2012 - 3:46 pm | Permalink

    I’m a little confused. The jaunty tone seems to make a joke of the issue. I think that secession is a GREAT idea. I used to think it was totally kooky, but post election I’ve changed my mind. There is no way to reconcile the right and the left, the whites and the non-whites, the Christians and the infidels, the capitalists and the communists, etc.
    Why does that idiot in the White House pretend to have a mandate when only half of the people voted him in?
    Yes, a non-violent split is the way to go, otherwise, the ultra-violent split will be forthcoming.

  9. Wolfhound14's Gravatar Wolfhound14
    November 19, 2012 - 3:55 pm | Permalink

    The Northwest Front isn’t an idea that should be neglected either. So far, they are the only group which has a real, workable plan.

    It’s worth looking into for anyone who is actually serious about doing really something:

    http://northwestfront.org/

  10. Dark Henry's Gravatar Dark Henry
    November 19, 2012 - 4:08 pm | Permalink

    George Davis, 65, exercises his right to be nude while reading…

    LOL, was it Alexis de Tocqueville who said that the USA is the country where the future arrives first? Not my kind of “future” This is becoming a charade, something has to give up.

  11. Thora's Gravatar Thora
    November 19, 2012 - 4:22 pm | Permalink

    If America does break apart, the resulting borders should not follow the old state and county political boundaries, rather, they should follow watersheds. John Wesley Powell proposed as much in the 1800s when exploring the American West:

    http://www.good.is/posts/john-wesley-powell-s-watershed-states-map/

    Given that 1) Africa will have ~4 billion people in 30 years, 2) that disunion would leave at least part of North America still exposed to mass migration, and 3) that the availability of water will be severely curtailed once North America becomes overpopulated: it is imperative that future boundaries be centered upon the ownership of water resources.

    Boundary-watersheds make sense because their lines tend to follow natural barriers, be they mountains, hills, or ridges, and they incorporate fertile lowlands into the regions they demarcate. The traditional river-boundary, on the other hand, divides fertile lands and does not correspond with tangible geological barriers. The traditional straight-ruled boundary only accidentally aligns with natural obstacles and thus serves to both promote the exchange of peoples and demote the importance of the boundary.

    The Earth is being filled with the third-world. If the founding stock is to break away it must set aside suitable land with which to sustain itself. Watershed-boundaries are a step in the right direction.

  12. November 19, 2012 - 4:29 pm | Permalink

    @Sir Tristram:

    All these ideas on regionalism and secession may delay the downfall, but cannot evade it.

    Even if a White ethnostate is created, low White fertility will doom it.

    Japan has the luxury of the seas separating it from the world, and deep ethnocentrism second only to Jews.

    So low Japanese fertility does not doom Japan.

    But it will doom the white ethnostate unless Whites breed like Ron Paul or Romney families.

    I fear that Whites have reached an evolutionary crisis once in a 10,000 yr period, where they are unable to breed and unable to resist interracial assimilation with Blacks, Browns and Asians.

    A White ethnostate will have to be built around religion and community instead of soulless atomistic individualism, so Whites can be fruitful and multiply.

  13. Andrew Joyce's Gravatar Andrew Joyce
    November 19, 2012 - 4:32 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time! Loved this article!

  14. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 19, 2012 - 4:53 pm | Permalink

    I heard an interesting word the other day – blueneck. I propose a new game “You may be a blueneck if……..” If you think an aging man sunbathing in the nude on a city street is a beautification project you may be a blueneck.

  15. Rick Sanchez's Gravatar Rick Sanchez
    November 19, 2012 - 4:58 pm | Permalink

    @Wolfhound14:

    Yea, but the guy who is running that operation is not friendly to the right-wing “intellectuals.”

    I listened to a podcast by him where he claimed that the whole New-Right intellect is utterly useless and that we all need to become revolutionaries and anti-social if we intend to accomplish anything.

    Of course that doesn’t make any sense at all to me.

    We are being overpowered psychologically, morally, and intellectually.

    That is our problem.

    We cannot escape that.

    Europe didn’t escape the Dark Ages and the rein of the Catholic Church until GENTILE INTELLECTUALS changed the entire continent with science and reason.

    White Zionism is certainly an option, but we cannot do that by cutting ourselves off from the world.

    And the WORSE thing to do is to be anti-social.

    Soft Power and social influence is what we should be aiming for.

  16. winston cornwall's Gravatar winston cornwall
    November 19, 2012 - 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Dr. KM,

    Regarding your two posts concerning the RJC:

    The fact that one member of an organization (RJC) is pro amnesty does not mean that the organization supports that stand.

    Do you have any proof that the RJC has any pro immigration policy?

    It has never taken any stand on this issue. It has never addressed any immigration policy. Immigration is not a concern of the RJC.

    Do you have any proof that Matt Brooks, Sheldon Adelson or Willliam Daroff are engaged on the issue? Speeches they have given, donations made, press releases issued?

    As being pro amnesty conforms to the ideology of the ruling class, Brooks/Daroff/Adelson would have nothing to loose and much to gain by working to promote this cause. That they have not done so should tell you something.

    That one member of a 60 member board of a group indicates he is pro-amnesty does not mean the organization or it’s other members of the group support that stance. This is so basic it pains me to point it out to someone with your credentials.

    You are way off base here and in your previous post. To date the RJC and it’s Jewish money is too busy worrying about Israel and free markets to concern itself with immigration.

  17. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 19, 2012 - 5:17 pm | Permalink

    @Sanjay, I think red state whites are still reproducing at replacement levels. The problem is the young offs are attracted to bluer areas due to the media influence.

  18. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 19, 2012 - 5:27 pm | Permalink

    @Sanjay: Nay, I don’t think so. You would have us recreate the wheel or create a vacuum where millions of granite et al rocks are strewn about. Not feasible or rational. Vertical space is where there is room to breathe. The Great West is wide open – thousands of miles with nary a soul in sight. First we have to knock out the liberal/marxist pathology, then secure the borders, then we focus on social arrangements that will allow us to go about our business like civilized human beings.

  19. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 19, 2012 - 6:16 pm | Permalink

    Hollywood already wrote and screened this union’s end.

  20. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 19, 2012 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    You may be a blueneck if…
    Your teacher asks you to take a note home to your dad and you reply “which one?”

  21. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 19, 2012 - 6:32 pm | Permalink

    You may be a blueneck if…

    Your towns santa parade is now a “pride parade” and this years theme is ” the night Santa humped his elves”

  22. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 19, 2012 - 6:58 pm | Permalink

    @Rick Sanchez: Hey, there we go. ‘at’s what I’m talking about.

  23. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 19, 2012 - 7:02 pm | Permalink

    @Rick Sanchez: Of course, next to Science and Reason, there was also Poetry and Passion. Let us not forget those, Prometheus!

  24. November 19, 2012 - 7:35 pm | Permalink

    @Rick Sanchez:

    ” that the whole New-Right intellect is utterly useless…”

    Link please?

  25. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 19, 2012 - 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Multiculturalism seems to cause so much unnecessary suffering.

    Thanks to Dr. MacDonald for highlighting these important issues, and thanks to every person who helps make T.O.O. what it is.

    I hope anyone reading this comment has a good Thanksgiving.

  26. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    November 19, 2012 - 7:46 pm | Permalink

    @winston cornwall:

    LOL. I always thought that Peter Lewis a/k/a Leibowitz major political interest was legalizing pot. Hell of a thing for an auto insurance tycoon to be pushing. But, hey, Lewis is reportedly a big friend of the Clinton’s, he even got busted for pot while on some sort of a quasi-diplomatic mission back during the Clinton years. Some of these Jews are hard to figure…

  27. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    November 19, 2012 - 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Winston,

    “Do you have any proof that Matt Brooks, Sheldon Adelson or Willliam Daroff are engaged on the issue? Speeches they have given, donations made, press releases issued? ”

    The Jewish enthusiasm for immigration has always been overwhelming, from the moment they arrived on our fair shores. Dr. MacDonald has already pointed to the article “On the morning after, Jewish Republicans advise the party” on the JTA where Daroff insists that the Republicans shift their views on immigration and gay marriage, and that wealthy Semitic financial backers of the RJC, which include Adelson, will “have their voices heard”.

    Virtually all of the Republican and Democrat Jewish pundits are echoing Krauthammers Semitic call for amnesty. Solid Republicans like mayor Michael Bloomberg, one of the staunchest and most loyal of Jewish Republican conservatives, adds his voice as well. Perhaps the highest-ranking Semitic Republican politician in the U.S., Eric Cantor, is not shy about voicing his support either.

    Clearly, Semitic Republicans are a strong asset to the party, and a great friend of the core of that party, the European Americans. With friends like these, European Americans have a glorious political future indeed in these United States.

  28. Joe McCarthy's Gravatar Joe McCarthy
    November 19, 2012 - 7:53 pm | Permalink
  29. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 19, 2012 - 7:54 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:
    I do believe we could have fun with this.

  30. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 19, 2012 - 8:23 pm | Permalink

    The second map illustrates Open System Thinking. The first map, based on “States” as currently conceived represents Closed System Thinking.

    If one looks at the second, representing territory in which people-counties are “red”, ie more likely to form into networks that would resonate with “us”, as opposed to the coastal “elite” blues …. the latter are toast, even if they still control the cultural sewer pipes coming out of NYC and LA.

    Sewer pipes don’t work too well without a lot of water.

    “States” are just lines on a piece of paper.

    Lines are pretty easy to redraw when the occupants of the shape they surround get fed up.

  31. winston cornwall's Gravatar winston cornwall
    November 19, 2012 - 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Andrew,

    My friend, you are so lost I don’t know what to say.

    That most Jews support certain immigration policies is not the point at all.
    KM directly and indirectly claims these particular Jews support the immigrationist’s policies. And he offers no proof.

    Not a shred of evidence Sheldon Adelson supports these policies. Not a shred of evidence Matt Brooks does. And William Daroff was offering his analysis of the probable future of the party. I am a raving nativist and could well have said the same thing Daroff did ….saying I think the GOP will cave on amnesty does not mean I support that policy.

    KM knows better than to trash the RJC as a tool of the amnesty crowd.

    We don’t need to search for more enemies, we have plenty already.

  32. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 19, 2012 - 8:36 pm | Permalink

    @Alice: Thank you so much for “blueneck”! First time I’ve seen this. A meme with endless possibilities for laughing at “them”, not to mention doing a little “divide and rule” work in devious ways, to benefit those of us whose necks are both “red”, and red. Sweet!

  33. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 19, 2012 - 9:14 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:


    @John hearns:
    I do believe we could have fun with this.

    Yeah, blueneck is much more fun than red because it is a very large and untapped source of humor.
    In example; having a mulatto teleprompter prez is really funny, just in itself. If you are able ignore that it is real, that is.

  34. Fenria's Gravatar Fenria
    November 19, 2012 - 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Red state America, I’d like to join you, but the truth is, you guys are dicks. Here’s my problem with red state America. Why the hell do you care what other people do with their own bodies and in their own bedrooms? And this is from a heterosexual white female with a child. I couldn’t care less what consenting adults do with other consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes or in doctors’ offices. Why do you care if adults use drugs in the privacy of their own homes? What business is it of yours? You cats are all about personal freedoms……. but only the ones you approve of, right? Feck off then. Yeah, I’m not a huntin’, fishin’, nature hatin’, Jesus freak redneck. I guess I’m persona non grata then.

    Also, you want to use my tax dollars to fight wars for Israel? NO. Just no. Period.

    And you can take your Judeo Christianity and shove it.

    Sigh, I guess I’ll be staying in blue state America after all. And this is how you cats lose your willing volunteers. Take note.

    Maybe if you kept your jewish god on a leash, I might be more inclined to take part.

  35. Frozy's Gravatar Frozy
    November 19, 2012 - 10:59 pm | Permalink

    If a new predominantly white country was carved out from the US, the chance are that it would become more prosperous than it not-so-white neighbours within a couple of generations. So far so good, but … This would lead to a repeat of the conditions that transformed the US from what it was at end of the 19th to what it is today: Third world immigration accepting to do menial tasks, creeping in of doctrines that would, within a generation or two, seduceand pervert again a non negligible portion of the descendents of today’s secessionists. For these reasons that shouldn’t too hard to discern, I think secession along states, counties, or whatever, is doomed to failure and therefore is an air-brain scheme. The current war is a war that is waged for people’s mind wherever they are in this country, so not a square inch of it should be forsaken. The front line of that war is not a physical one, but a virtual one, in everybody’s brain.

  36. Mary, White Advocate's Gravatar Mary, White Advocate
    November 19, 2012 - 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Looking at the county maps of the USA, it appears that secession would be not by state, but by areas within the states themselves. Some areas were entirely for Romney, but most of Obama’s votes come from the big urban areas where more people live. How would a state like Texas, for example, which has a strong nationalist movement, isolate its blue areas where there are 1.) urban libtards and, 2.) Hispanics who voted for Obama.

  37. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 19, 2012 - 11:12 pm | Permalink

    @Fenria, Nature hating? I would think living in rural areas and enjoying outdoors activities instead of clubbing or recreational drug use are not really indicative of such an outlook. I guess you have to live in a condo in San Fran or NYC to be in tune with Mother Earth?

  38. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 19, 2012 - 11:18 pm | Permalink

    @Fenria:

    Why the hell do you care what other people do with their own bodies and in their own bedrooms?

    Don’t care , just keep the weird “pride” stuff off of main street and out of school curriculum, and stop the media promotion of all things weird. How about a little common sense.


    Why do you care if adults use drugs in the privacy of their own homes?

    Would legalize illicit drugs and end organized crime monopoly.

    You cats are all about personal freedoms……. but only the ones you approve of, right?

    As opposed to only what your cats approve of?

    Yeah, I’m not a huntin’, fishin’, nature hatin’, Jesus freak redneck.
    That’s a narrow minded and bigoted depiction of conservatives ( red state), if there ever was one.

    Also, you want to use my tax dollars to fight wars for Israel? NO. Just no. Period.

    You can’t be serious.

    Sigh, I guess I’ll be staying in blue state America after all. And this is how you cats lose your willing volunteers. Take note.

    Okey dokey , your choice.

  39. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 19, 2012 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

    @Fenria:

    “Why do you care if adults use drugs in the privacy of their own homes? What business is it of yours?”

    We are all connected to each other, especially in our modern world.

    A person’s thoughts, words, and actions affect other people in different ways. Sometimes the effect is immediate and obvious. Other times the effect takes a long time to surface, and it might be subtle and difficult to attribute to the original cause.

    (I’m not saying I have the answers to these seemingly complex issues. And I hope I don’t sound too preachy.)

  40. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 19, 2012 - 11:25 pm | Permalink

    You may be a blueneck if…

    You talk a good game about tolerance, but in reality , you are, by far, the most INTOLERANT.

  41. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    November 19, 2012 - 11:36 pm | Permalink

    @winston cornwall:

    Romney’s super pac has announced they are now for “immigration reform” and are working toward that goal:
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2012/11/19/republicans-immigration-gutierrez-romney-super-pac/1715369/#

    I’m sure all of the mentioned Jews have money invested in the Romney super pac.

    My question, is Charles Spies a Jew or a Roman Catholic?

  42. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 19, 2012 - 11:38 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor:
    My pleasure, have fun.

  43. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 19, 2012 - 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, I’m not a huntin’, fishin’, nature hatin’, Jesus freak redneck.

    prej·u·dice (prj-ds)
    n.
    1.
    a. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
    b. A preconceived preference or idea.
    2. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. See Synonyms at predilection.
    3. Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion.
    4. Detriment or injury caused to a person by the preconceived, unfavorable conviction of another or others.

  44. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 19, 2012 - 11:48 pm | Permalink

    @Fenria:
    Somehow I think we might just get by without you. Come on, people, lighten up. This is good news! Simply changing the conversation is a great step forward. It also seems that many more people than those who share our precise view are fed up and not quite as blind as we paint them.

    It doesn’t matter that we don’t have all the answers for the permanent solutions. A return to limited government and real local freedom would free us up to try all of our ideas. Do you folks really have so little regard for freedom that all you can find are imperfections?

  45. winston cornwall's Gravatar winston cornwall
    November 19, 2012 - 11:59 pm | Permalink

    @Andrew:

    ” Solid Republicans like mayor Michael Bloomberg, one of the staunchest and most loyal of Jewish Republican conservatives, adds his voice as well”

    Mayor Bloomberg is NOT a Republican, solid or otherwise.
    Mayor Bloomberg is NOT a conservative and has never been one.

    Lets get our facts straight!

  46. November 20, 2012 - 12:09 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas:

    “Jaunty,” that’s the word I was looking for! I really liked Dr. MacDonald’s style in this article…I could scarcely believe it was him…I looked back up at the top of the article to be sure.

    Dr. MacDonald, I hope you’ll do some more writing like this. IMO it’s extremely appealing, and you obviously have a talent for it. I think it will attract new readers.
    ———
    Everyone here might be interested in Henry Wolf’s excellent response that’s printed at the end of a Washington Post article on secession that’s over at Amren:
    http://www.amren.com/news/2012/11/the-confederacy-of-takers/

    Also, whites won’t be able to secede if there’s no whites left to secede.

    So when signing these secession petitions at the White House site, please sign our White GeNOcide petition there also:
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-white-genocide-through-halting-massive-non-white-immigration-every-white-country-and-only-white/YV5861Tz
    Thank you.

    So fine to have a President who hears you making your pro-white points here and there, and says,

    “Your pro-white point is very interesting. I’d like you to post that on our White House site where a lot more white people will read it.

    No, wait! Not just read it, but vote for it!”

    Super cool guy. I can’t wait until we finally have that national conversation on race he said we should have.

  47. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 20, 2012 - 12:13 am | Permalink

    @Sanjay:
    @Sanjay, re “I fear that Whites have reached an evolutionary crisis once in a 10,000 yr period, where they are unable to breed and unable to resist interracial assimilation with Blacks, Browns and Asians.”

    It is not an evolutionary crisis, there is nothing wrong with our genes, it is a political crisis resulting from the adoption of universal suffrage democracy. This resulted in the feminization of white civilization which countered our instincts to fight for self-preservation and made us an easy target for conquest. The low fertility you mention is merely one symptom of the underlying political problem.

    As a thought experiment, try to imagine the response if the various assaults we see today were tried a hundred years ago, the perpetrators would have been annihilated in a hail of lead. The situation is indeed bleak but far from hopeless, political systems can be changed.

  48. November 20, 2012 - 12:14 am | Permalink

    Oh, the petitions need an initial 150 signatures before they become visible to all visitors to the site. So please help out with that in the petition I just posted a link to (the post is awaiting moderation).

  49. Fenria's Gravatar Fenria
    November 20, 2012 - 12:23 am | Permalink

    @Marcus: Actually, I live in Northern California, in the redwoods, and you wouldn’t believe how many people just absolutely HATE nature up here. Hate the trees, want to cut them all down, hate all the wildlife, shoot it all, eat all the fish, farm every square inch of land, use everything, only fools want to conserve.

    That’s the consensus up here. I’m one of the lone few who wants to preserve things the way they are and enjoy real natural beauty. Those who want to destroy and use everything up are your good, salt of the earth, rednecks; red America. I’m sorry, but I have less and less in common with you all as time goes on.

    I guess I’m destined to be a misanthrope, can’t stand the non whites, can’t stand most whites, feck you all.

  50. winston cornwall's Gravatar winston cornwall
    November 20, 2012 - 12:23 am | Permalink

    @Tom:

    Tom, you are confused at best.

    Yes, Charlie Spies is a Jew.

    The Romney super pac announced nothing. Did you bother to read the article you cited?

    A new super pac, a completely new legal entity with a different purpose, under the leadership of the white Cuban Guiterrez (not the RJC) made announcements.

    The fact that a professional treasurer (Spies) went from the Romney super pac to this new group is beside the point.

    Are you really claiming that the persons mentioned by KM donated to this new pac? There is NO evidence of that having happened. I would ask you for proof, but suspect you would find that an unfair request.

    Brooks and Daroff didn’t even donate to the Romney super pac.

  51. Fenria's Gravatar Fenria
    November 20, 2012 - 12:28 am | Permalink

    @John hearns: You must think I don’t live around white people. Haha. I live in an 85% white county. When I say, “Nature hating, busy body, Jesus freak, Israel loving, self righteous moral scold”, I mean it FROM EXPERIENCE.

    I’m a WN, but you guys, you just have no idea how many of us whites out here are so sick and tired of your finger wagging at us and your constant busy body bull****. If being blue means that I can be left alone, and left out of your self congratulatory, pious moral dragnet, then so be it! Go burn other witches.

  52. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 20, 2012 - 12:43 am | Permalink

    @Fenria, there are rednecks in California? I have spent most of my life in MS, LA, AL, and TN, we are the “original” rednecks lol and I’ve never met anyone who wants to destroy nature. It would destroy their chosen lifestyle after all, kind of silly if you think about it… Oh and almost everyone I went to college with smoked pot at least recreationally, that should make you happy i guess. The difference is that in general there hasn’t been the complete overturning of traditional values, and imposition of “tolerance” from top to bottom, so there is at least a modicum of decency.

  53. Random's Gravatar Random
    November 20, 2012 - 1:36 am | Permalink

    California would be much better off if it hadn’t been part of the union. The immigration problem would have been solved by the early 90′s if not long before. Unfortunately, we’re attached to a country filled with jew-worshipping Bible retards who love the fact that “God’s chosen” are in control, wouldn’t have it any other way, but then blame “da libruls” for everything that the jew-Christian alliance is doing to destroy White America. Seriously, screw these idiots. I say a divorce is long overdue.

    Also, without the technologically advanced and economically productive blue states to parasitize as a tax base, jews and Christians will no longer be able to afford such a large military, which will hinder their ability to continue imposing diversity on Europe. That would also be a very good thing.

  54. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    November 20, 2012 - 2:01 am | Permalink

    @winston cornwall:

    “Winston Cornwall” the Philo-Semite.

    What a name he chose too – some stereotype of a WASP – he chose that name to come to TOO and post his Jew talking points, defending Jew mobsters like Sheldon Adelson.

    As if I would go to the JDL forum with a handle of “Jewey Jewerstein” and then proceed to post my WASP-bara copypasta/spam.

    “Winston Cornwall” – this Judaic expects us to take him seriously? Really?

    This is how little Jews think of Whites – “Winston Cornwall” is basically Rodney Dangerfield scamming his way into our golf club and then farting at dinner, just to show us “uptight WASPs” how uncool we are.

    “Winston Cornwall” – no doubt his wife is named Buffy Incontinetia, yes?

    “Winston Cornwall” tell us another Jew Joke. You’re funnier (and less racist) than Sasha “Borat” Cohen and Sarah Silverman.

  55. Tadzio's Gravatar Tadzio
    November 20, 2012 - 3:00 am | Permalink

    My wish country. The Canadian Atlantic Provinces wedded to Maine, most of New Hampshire, Vermont and the Northeast corner of New York. Where applicable the boundary should run along a anglophone-francophone line with give and take. The Southern border could extend only as far as to avoid major metropolitan contamination.

    The Constitution should ban immigration. The population would be in 7/8 million range which is compatible with a successful melding of free markets with those social welfare provisions which work with a homogeneous population. The overwhelming majority would be descended from the British Isles. It would have a cultural unity that could provide a decent meanigful life for it’s citizenry.

    Ask not what you can do for your country but what your country can do for you. A nation should not own it’s people. It should be merely a mechanism assuring peace and tranquilty for it’s stakeholders.

    Diversity is death to a common weal.

  56. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    November 20, 2012 - 5:54 am | Permalink

    @Fenria: @Fenria:
    “Here’s my problem with red state America. Why the hell do you care what other people do with their own bodies and in their own bedrooms?”
    – For my part, I have NO interest in spying on other citizens or invading their privacy. I most definitely do NOT care to interfere in people’s private decisions. I am a Libertarian of sorts.

    “And this is from a heterosexual white female with a child.”
    – Excellent.

    “I couldn’t care less what consenting adults do with other consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes or in doctors’ offices. Why do you care if adults use drugs in the privacy of their own homes? What business is it of yours?”
    – I am in favor of the legalization of drugs. The USA model should operate like that in Great Britain. The police have real work to do, and “fighting illegal drugs” inevitably corrupts the police and makes them almost useless where they are most needed.

    “You cats are all about personal freedoms……. but only the ones you approve of, right?”
    – No. I am for freedoms of behaviors that I do not personally approve of or participate in.

    “Feck off then. Yeah, I’m not a huntin’, fishin’, nature hatin’, Jesus freak redneck. I guess I’m persona non grata then.”
    – I do not necessarily find you ‘persona non grata.’ Moreover, like Beethoven, I am a lover of Nature. I’ve been fishing, true, but I’ve never been hunting in my life. (Not that any of this matters, mind you.)

    “Also, you want to use my tax dollars to fight wars for Israel? NO. Just no. Period.”
    – Right. I also say “NO! A thousand times NO! A billion times NO! Hardly anyone on THIS site would ever support these insane and unjust wars.

    “And you can take your Judeo Christianity and shove it.”
    – The Bible is a very problematic book. It begins in myth and a easily falsifiable Bronze Age cosmology, and, at the same time, depicts a god with very questionable and peculiar tribal ambitions. Such primitive religion cannot save the White Race.

    “Sigh, I guess I’ll be staying in blue state America after all. And this is how you cats lose your willing volunteers. Take note.”
    – What do you like about Liberalism? Do you really wish to see Western Civilization crumble and turn to ashes in your hands? The website of “Birdman Bryant” is now defunct (the author has passed away), but its pages are still up for reading. Try typing his name in your search engine, if you want to learn what Liberalism is doing to you and your future.

    “Maybe if you kept your jewish god on a leash, I might be more inclined to take part.”
    – I do not worship a Jewish god, thank you.

  57. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    November 20, 2012 - 6:16 am | Permalink

    @Adeimantus: Fenria, here is another view — a lecture — on the Problem of Drug Abuse – Alan Watts

  58. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    November 20, 2012 - 6:22 am | Permalink

    @Fenria: For a non “redneck” point of view, try here: LESSONS FOR LIBERALS

  59. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    November 20, 2012 - 6:24 am | Permalink
  60. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    November 20, 2012 - 6:39 am | Permalink

    @Fenria: I am for all the freedom that the people can enjoy. I am also in favor of preserving Western Civilization and the White Nations and the White Race itself. I oppose what you oppose — tyranny:

    The US’ True Form of Government

  61. KT's Gravatar KT
    November 20, 2012 - 6:47 am | Permalink

    Fenria, hear! hear! and I’m no Liberal.

  62. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    November 20, 2012 - 7:32 am | Permalink

    @winston cornwall:

    You say Charles Spies is a Jew.

    Spies belongs to a Washington law firm that specializes in setting up these type of pacs & political vehicles. As you mentioned Spies was the treasurer for the Romney Super Pac, and you can be sure that he is creating a pro-immigration & amnesty super pac with many of the same old Jews, and possibly some new Jews, that belonged to the old Romney super pac. LOL. The exact Jews & Jewish Republican names involved will all come out in in time.

  63. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 20, 2012 - 7:39 am | Permalink

    Red state America will only mean more Neocon and christian zionist control. After all this is what red state currently supports, ain’t it?

  64. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 20, 2012 - 8:57 am | Permalink

    @Marcus: Ssshhh…..put a lid on this kind of talk. We don’t want to blow our opportunity to peel these leeches off our wallets and put lots of dirt between them and us…..

  65. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 20, 2012 - 9:04 am | Permalink

    @Mary, White Advocate: From a strictly military-tactical standpoint, I think it is imperative that Whites form an ethnostate that consists of states that are contiguous. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Whites are going to have to have borders that are secure and easily defended – because it won’t take very long for non-whites to turn their ethnostates into third world cesspools and we all know that they’ll be doing everything they can to flood into ours and start their parasite-host relationship all over again.

  66. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 20, 2012 - 9:12 am | Permalink

    @Bigmo: This is the issue that needs to be item number one on the agenda of discussion topics at the first White Nationalist Leadership Summit.

    We cannot permit our new homeland to be brought to life and already have the seeds of its destruction planted inside it’s belly.

    Listen people – these jews and their Christian Zionist mentally insane stooges – have been plotting and cooperating with each other in trying to engineer the racial genocide of White European people. We have zero reason to believe that these two groups can ever be trusted to change their minds on this evil agenda, and therefore, I say both must be prohibited from stepping foot inside any future White Ethnostate.

  67. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 20, 2012 - 9:25 am | Permalink

    @Adeimantus: I am not fan of ‘tyranny’ myself, but I am 100 percent on board with a new system of government that is a racial dictatorship at the top – whereby at the local level, Whites are free to enjoy as much liberty and freedom as possible – as long as they do not betray or try to subvert or otherwise undermine their own race of people.

    In fact, I could accept some pretty harsh penalties being put into place for the crime of White race treason and i am convinced that this would be a great benefit to the long term survival and success of the White Ethnostate.

    However, I would like to also say that it is a sad testament to the state of our race that racial loyalty is something that our people no longer practice without having to mandate penalties for not doing so.

    But, if it takes harsh penalties to cure our people of this genocidal sickness, so be it.,

  68. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 20, 2012 - 9:41 am | Permalink

    @Frozy: The new White Ethnostate would need to have leaders who would specifically write the new Constitution to include the provision that it was a White only ethnostate and that harsh penalties would be immediately handed out for any effort to subvert or undermine that golden and non-negotiable rule.

    This would, of course, mean that vast majority of the current ‘white’ political ruling elites would NOT be permitted to reside within the new White Ethnostate, because they have a long track record of being willing to betray their own race.

    In fact, I’d have pictures of every single one of these filthy, stinking, nation wrecking, race traitorous rats on the bulletin board at every White Ethnostate border security office and at each shift change, every armed patrol agent would be required to review those photographs before taking their position on the border security perimeter.

  69. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    November 20, 2012 - 10:04 am | Permalink

    @Luke: White children must be raised in a racially conscious manner and taught a healthy pride in their history and heritage, as well as the imperative of preserving it. I agree with you that loyalty to the race of the ethnostate must be a requirement of citizenship in such a state and that betrayal of this trust will not be excused. On the other hand, the goal of the ethnostate must never be world conquest. Other peoples and nations who leave us alone must be respected and left alone.

  70. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 20, 2012 - 10:55 am | Permalink

    No state has petitioned the federal government to secede. Individuals have done so on behalf of their respective states– which is an amusing, telling and, ultimately, meaningless and useless gesture. Contrary to one comment above, the states are not mere lines on a map, anymore than national borders are. The states themselves are sovereign entities, not mere administrative subdivisions (as counties, cities and other municipalities are, within their respective states). If the United States were to be formally dissolved, by a ratified amendment to the Constitution, each of the fifty states would retain its legal sovereignty, and be subject still to its own constitution and laws– much as the various socialist republics within the old Soviet Union did and were, when that Leviathan imploded, twenty-one years ago next month.

  71. November 20, 2012 - 11:10 am | Permalink

    Uh, folks, the White House has issued us an invitation that they will help us spread our pro-white memes and terminology if we get just 88 more signatures to our “stop White Genocide” petition.

    Please read the short petition and sign it here:
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-white-genocide-through-halting-massive-non-white-immigration-every-white-country-and-only-white/YV5861Tz

    Help President O help us to get the terms “White Genocide” and “anti-white” into white minds!

    Don’t let anti-whites continue to win the war of words that they’ve been winning decidedly for the last 6 decades!

  72. November 20, 2012 - 12:02 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    No state has petitioned the federal government to secede. Individuals have done so on behalf of their respective states– which is an amusing, telling and, ultimately, meaningless and useless gesture.

    I wish I could reach out through the computer and shake you hard. I’m sorry, but you are being incredibly dense!

    You and those who think like you write your posts as if our country is presently holding some kind of huge national convention where various plans are being debated for implementation, and you want to make sure that the plans being debated are correctly understood before whichever plan is selected by the convention is put into effect!

    Sheesh!

    Barring very strange developments (anything is possible), we are of course at least several decades short of being at any such point, and are still in just a war of words and a war of theatrics.

    Smoldering pent up resentment has found an outlet because some idiot on Obama’s staff thought that allowing public petitions on a “We the People” site at the White House would make O seem a man of the people.

    That was a huge blunder in the war of words. For God’s sake, take advantage of it!

    Everyone please quit pretending that you are part of some huge national convention earnestly deciding on which plan for our people is soon to be implemented! You are not! You are a fighter in the War of Words or you are just treading water in your bathtub at home alone!

  73. November 20, 2012 - 12:10 pm | Permalink

    No state has petitioned the federal government to secede. Individuals have done so on behalf of their respective states– which is an amusing, telling and, ultimately, meaningless and useless gesture.

    Those were D.K.’s words. I forgot to use quotes to indicate that.

  74. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    November 20, 2012 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    I have never used illegal drugs and have never been tempted.
    That said, we need to decriminalize all drugs, not legalize them.
    Legalize means tax and regulate as they do increasingly with liquor and tobacco, in the latter case almost to the point of prohibition just about everywhere.
    I agree with Fenria’s points. I’m for a free society, not a red state form of collectivism any more than the obnoxious blue state form that we have here in California.
    I want a free society where the Lukes are not writing draconian new rules. If we have to become like the enemy in order to survive then it misses the whole point.
    Fenria, are you familiar with the awful creeps at the leftist Anderson Valley Advertiser in Mendocino County ?
    Just curious.

  75. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 20, 2012 - 1:40 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    No, genius, I was pointing out that Dr. MacDonald was factually wrong in claiming, at the beginning of this entry, that twenty states had filed petitions to secede from the Union. None has; none will. If the many petitions posted by virtual nobodies on the White House’s Web site really impresses you, you are very easily impressed. By the way, if you plan to come through the computer screen to assault me, please be sure to bring six of your closest friends with you….

  76. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 20, 2012 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

    @DK, in theory that sounds reasonable, but in reality the individual states have been little more than wholly owned subsidiaries of DC for quite some time.

  77. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 20, 2012 - 3:15 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo: tune in Tokyo…that ain’t what average joe is thinking about at all. My good ol’ Christian Conservative buddy back home asked me why I hadn’t started making big movies yet. I told him it was because the Jews ran Hollywood and could smell me coming like Pepe lepew on angel dust. He looked at me like I was a stranger and said “Huh?, OK, well, I’m gonna keep focussing on my own backyard and hunting for deer, Umkay. You do whatever you want out there in weirdoville.”

  78. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 20, 2012 - 3:22 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: No, it’s not meaningless and useless. This is the day and age of the camera and media and charisma and coolness. If one person makes a big stink around something and lots of people hop on board, then there’s something happening. Something that gets press, press which gets circulated, et al. Now, nothing may happen for a time. But after a while, exposure gets painful. That’s why the powers that be are so careful to keep up their game of charades. It’s because they know there’ll be hell to pay if the Truth comes out.

    The soul of the people can be suppressed at the front end but the back end’s likely to start leaking. We should turn up the gas on the media outlets because that’s what will defuse violence and enable peaceful reform.

    Please don’t throw me in the brer patch, Mr. Fox. Please, no, don’t do it!

  79. November 20, 2012 - 3:26 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    You are asking the Whites to petition the Anti-White State to permit them life, liberty and self determination.

    Does a rape victim ever petitions a rapist?

  80. November 20, 2012 - 3:37 pm | Permalink

    @Marcus:

    In No State except Utah and Idaho, Whites are at or above 2.1 children/woman.

    In White World, no country except Iceland is reproducing at replacement. And Iceland is all White.

    We need a fertile, assertive White People beforewe get a White nation.

    Jews know that its only a matter of 60-70 years before Whites are extinct. So secession is foolish if Whites are not willing to breed.

    Can a crop ever be reaped on a barren land?

  81. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 20, 2012 - 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Those evil, stupid, blank, blank devils call us haters! People, I have long suspected that we attract all of those people who simply enjoy being nasty and really could not care less about, much less love, white people and our heritage and culture. I hope that you all enjoy spilling your venom because it comes at the price of selling out your own.

    Never, never, accept any hint of good news and allow it to spread hope. Immediately launch into our own petty grievances and vendettas. Be sure to insult and alienate the maximum number of white folks. Rednecks, Christians of all varieties, women, huge areas of the country, any one who has simply tried to get by and support their family – anyone at all who does not subscribe to your particular and very limited view – curse them all. That ought to work.

    I have no hope that any of you will consider putting the well being, even survival, of white people above your own egos.I do intend to stand my ground and state repeatedly that you are NOT the voice of white loyalists. Parasites who take advantage of the website and work of a good man, to the detriment of his reputation, to vent your bitterness. This was once known as giving aid and comfort to the enemy. You should be ashamed.

  82. November 20, 2012 - 3:53 pm | Permalink

    @starera:
    Whites have northern European hunter gatherer natural selection for genes which today makes them too individualistic and atomized in an Ethnocentric Universe.

    So it IS an evolutionary crisis.

    But I concur. It is a political crisis as well, due to Jewish domination of media. Media produces culture, and culture determines politics.

    100 years ago we had a patriarchal Warrior culture. Today we have a hermaphrodite Sissy culture.

    The best way to reverse this is to throw out sex, insanity, and trivia saturated TV, video, internet pornography, magazines and recover our ancient literature, music, philosophy, physical fitness, sexual abstinence, art, customs and manners.

    This will help us regain strong European cultural and racial identity and energy. And everything else will naturally follow. White ethnostate, White life.

    In essence, first we must become White first, not just in skin, but in spirit, thought and deeds.

  83. November 20, 2012 - 3:57 pm | Permalink

    @Sanjay:

    Actually, this might be a way to get exposure and media coverage, since its on official White House website, so there is some merit to that “petition”.

    Please accept my apologies. I overlooked this angle for a brief moment.

  84. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 20, 2012 - 4:01 pm | Permalink

    @Sir Tristram:

    The only reason that these petitions have gotten the press that they have is because the Establishment media believe that it makes those petitioners, and their signatories, look like ridiculous fools and spoiled children, who want to pick up their dwindling number of remaining marbles and go home in a pout, now, because they have started to lose the game that they once dominated.

    At any rate, to assume that those virtual nobodies who are posting and signing on to such petitions must, therefore, share your world view and goals is likewise ridiculous. Opposing President Obama, or the Democratic Party at large, or even the overall political duopoly that has been running the country for over 150 years, by now, does not mean that one is a self-styled “White nationalist” who wants to either deport, intern, or outright exterminate the roughly one-third of the resident population that is currently non-White– if not, in addition, all of the scores of millions of Whites, including Republicans and conservatives, of whatever stripe, who would refuse to sign up for such a project themselves!

  85. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 20, 2012 - 4:32 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Well, I found out about them through word of mouth which is running rampant and redhot on the internet and back home. On the ground, nobody becomes somebody. And “somebody” needs convincing before they throw away the life of their boy or girl for whom they’d sacrifice ANYTHING. American military servicemen are committing suicide at a higher rate than are being taken out on the battlefield. And junior is starting to pause before applying to that highend university that he will be indebted to for the rest of his life.

    Are you seriously telling me that the chickens are not coming home to roost?

    Shat up and sit down or figger sumpin’ more inspiring to say!

  86. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    November 20, 2012 - 4:48 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: The “Movement” (so-called) certainly does have many who are interested primarily in making a profit off of and see $$s in the natural distress of the beseiged White Population today. People trying to “win debates” on a public discussion forum like this one are working at cross-purposes to the goal of this site. The way we fight amongst ourselves is very foolish and hurtful to our cause. The insatiable desire to win verbal battles is literally killing us as a people. Whites just don’t think as racially (in the sense of putting unity and solidarity as priority # 1) as they really need to in order to compete with our competitors who do think in a racial manner.

  87. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 20, 2012 - 4:50 pm | Permalink

    @Sir Tristram:

    “Are you seriously telling me that the chickens are not coming home to roost?”

    Yes, in fact, I am telling you just that. If you actually believe that these virtual petitions are harbingers of the tide’s turning in favor of secession– let alone of “White nationalism” and a coming White ethnostate– you are delusional.

    “Shat up and sit down or figger sumpin’ more inspiring to say!”

    “VAFFANCULO!” he explained. (Is that inspirational enough for you, White Knight?)

  88. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 20, 2012 - 4:55 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Very well said, I must say, even though I’ve been guilty of it myself. I believe a fair number of people confuse logging on and venting, either against the world in general or else some poster, constitutes pro white activity.

    Some take an nordinate joy in “crossing swords” with others. It would be nice if a pro white site came across as friendly and supportive to white people.

  89. November 20, 2012 - 5:55 pm | Permalink

    @Sanjay:

    Exactly! Good thinking, and apologies accepted!

  90. November 20, 2012 - 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Sanjay, I hope you signed the petition!

    Everyone, please sign it. We’ve been offered the White House’s help in spreading pro-White memes and terminology, and we’d be fools not to accept the help. Only 77 more signatures are needed before “anti-white,” “White Genocide,” etc. become visible to all whites who scroll through the petitions at the White House site.

    Please sign here:
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-white-genocide-through-halting-massive-non-white-immigration-every-white-country-and-only-white/YV5861Tz

  91. November 20, 2012 - 6:07 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    “The only reason that these petitions have gotten the press that they have is because the Establishment media believe that it makes those petitioners, and their signatories, look like ridiculous fools and spoiled children”

    Quit worrying about what you look like and think about how to be effective.

  92. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 20, 2012 - 6:12 pm | Permalink

    @Adeimantus:
    I enjoy a vigorous debate on issues and tactics as much as anyone. My objection is to those folks who think that their personal tastes are the primary concern. It is childish, self-indulgent, and anti-white. I can only conclude that they have exhausted all tolerance elsewhere.

  93. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 20, 2012 - 6:30 pm | Permalink

    @Sanjay:
    @Sanjay, re “Whites have northern European hunter gatherer natural selection for genes which today makes them too individualistic and atomized in an Ethnocentric Universe.
    So it IS an evolutionary crisis.”

    True enough, but my point remains, the individualism did not prevent our race from becoming the dominant one. If the problem were genetic we would not have achieved the dominance we did.

    The determinative change was the movement to universal suffrage democracy, “100 years ago we had a patriarchal Warrior culture. Today we have a hermaphrodite Sissy culture,” as you put it. You can certainly point to individualism as the root of the political problem however, that led us to take anti-authoritarianism to absurd lengths.

  94. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 20, 2012 - 6:32 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Thanks Jason. We all fall prey to temptation once in awhile. That is the problem with our entire society. If you just keep lowering the bar people sink along with it.

    Crossing swords is a fine and noble activity. Venting is foolish, allow that steam to build up and power the struggle. Whining about who you hate and why is roughly as effective as a two year old having a tantrum in a nice restaurant. It disturbs others, casts shame on those who reared you, and may get you tossed out if any standards are maintained.

    As usual ,I am preaching to the choir. I doubt anyone has sustained more personal assaults than you. I have concluded that the me,me,me crowd is very threatened by your demand that we all actually do something.

  95. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 20, 2012 - 7:44 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Well, one bit of good news from the election is this: more normal, healthy White people will realize how dire the situation is. I suspect many good Whites are going through a period of real depression right now. Unfortunately, this is necessary.

    Most have been living in Lala land, thinking just a little tinkering with the tax code, or some similar superficial adjustment, would secure their children’s future. As they shake themselves free from that fantasy, they may start to embrace race realism.

    Then they may start to show up on pro-White sites and organizations. Personally, I believe we could have gotten to this point sooner, if pro-White leaders had been of a higher caliber and/or refused to indulge some of the kooks. But there’s been such a prohibition against any pro-White viewpoint, that it was the rare healthy individual (like MacDonald) who could persevere.

    It’s been like Prohibition in the 20s: You could get liquor but it often came from nefarious characters. The past of WN is a bit like that.

  96. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 20, 2012 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Uhhh, lessee, last time I checked, English was the language we use to talk business round here. Now, if you want to talk to the horses, you can speak German. Make sure you huff and puff and try to blow my house down. And if you want to talk to the ladies, you can speak I-talian. But if’n you want to talk to God, you speak Spanish. It’s Castilian, broseph, but Spanish nonetheless:)

    Me llamo Quixote!!!

    You gotta walk out there and meet people where they are at. Getting angry and throwing out some garbled German phrases ain’t cool. It’s too hot. You need a little more ice, ice baby.

  97. Catiline's Gravatar Catiline
    November 20, 2012 - 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Haven’t read the comment thread, so pardon if this has already been mentioned.

    Why would a master (i.e. Blue states) allow a slave (i.e. Red states) to run away (i.e. secede)? And why would a master “secede” from one of his own slaves?

  98. barb's Gravatar barb
    November 20, 2012 - 8:03 pm | Permalink

    “And this is from a heterosexual white female with a child.”
    – Excellent. ”

    She’s obviously not married, though. Or she’d say, I’m a wife and mother.
    Being a single mom NATCH she wants to stay where the welfare-gettin’ is easy. So if she’s not wanting to be part of our new White Ethnostate, what’s the loss? Her son (if she has one) just MIGHT, though. EXCELLENT!

  99. November 20, 2012 - 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Since the last signature to the STOP White Genocide petition on the White House petition site, anti-whites in the U.S. have hammered the word “racist” into White minds a few thousand times.

    Are we going to take every opportunity to hammer “anti-white” and “White Genocide” into White minds, and impose our own memes and terminology, or are we going to just continue monitoring the successful efforts of anti-Whites to genocide us?

    Please sign here:
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-white-genocide-through-halting-massive-non-white-immigration-every-white-country-and-only-white/YV5861Tz

  100. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 20, 2012 - 8:40 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    “Quit worrying about what you look like and think about how to be effective.”

    That you actually believe that having a petition posted on the White House Web site is “be[ing] effective” in stopping mass immigration– which is the sine qua non of saving America, specifically, and Western Civilization, more generally– tells me just about all that I need to know….

  101. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 20, 2012 - 8:51 pm | Permalink

    @barb:

    Are you going to deport all divorced and widowed White women with children, too? Just how many White folks actually are going to be left, once you superior White folks are through culling the herd to your own peculiar specifications? (By the way, Barb, I hate to be the one to have to break it to you, but there are a few single women– divorced, widowed and, even, never-married– who are not on welfare, some of whom actually could afford to buy and sell you and your entire family!)

  102. November 20, 2012 - 9:14 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    When we recover our common culture and organic unity, all these will be moot points.

    We have lost our european traits and values, so we are insecure. We cannot be confident what happens in others’ lives and bedrooms, and what they smoke and think.

    Because in a sense we have lost our soul as a people. Once we recover that spirit, customs and manners, we will be one in our bedrooms as well.

    let us focus on recover our White heritage and White fertility, so that these outer differences lose their divisive force.

    TV and Jewish mass media has divided us and made us strangers to ourselves.

  103. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 20, 2012 - 10:23 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    This administration has given the lie to all the kind illusions once cherished by many hopeful people. Many have been forced to search for a different solution. We live in a world where Rep. Fudge, the new head of the Congressional Black caucus, a government entity, which explicitly discriminates on the basis of race, can accuse white men of being racist. Their crime was treating Susan Rice as an equal and demanding the same standards which would be applied to any white man in office. We are now informed by our masters that all blacks are exempt from charges of incompetence because it is a dog whistle.

    The sad thing is that just when we could be providing the answer we insist on living down to every stereotype in the books.

  104. November 21, 2012 - 12:06 am | Permalink

    Someone said that the white race has been conquered by little more than name calling.

    That’s only slightly an exaggeration.

    Hopefully we all understand the gargantuan role that the word “racist” has played in bringing us to our present condition, and continues to play in keeping us docile while our genocide is being carried out.

    But imagine, really imagine, what it would be like if the term “anti-white” were on white lips constantly instead of the word “racist.”

    The entire anti-white movement came to viscerally understand the immense utility of hammering the word “racist” into whites at every opportunity.

    Analogously, the white movement must come to understand the immense utility of hammering the term “anti-white” into white minds at every opportunity.

    Everything I just wrote about the term “anti-white” holds also for the term “White Genocide.” The term “White Genocide,” and the simple brief explanation of how that genocide is being carried out that’s included in the petition, must be hammered into whites until the fact of their genocide is as plain to them as the nose on their face!

    So, folks, please sign the Stop White Genocide petition!
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet…white/YV5861Tz

    And while you’re at it, here’s another one I’m sure you’ll have no resistance to signing:

    End All Foreign Aid to the State of Israel.
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/end-all-foreign-aid-state-israel/rPMMxsfz

    I can’t believe that last one was created almost a week ago and only has 2,000 signatures. That’s pathetic.

  105. Skrep's Gravatar Skrep
    November 21, 2012 - 12:22 am | Permalink

    @Fenria:

    You are missing the point. We here are not red state or blue state. We are White state.

    I could go on about how leftist “culture” is a death trap designed to destroy innovation, then doom people who follow it to Darwinian extinction and finally eternal damnation, but you wouldn’t take it any more seriously than I did your ignorant screed.

    If you can’t figure out who your allies are, go hang out at dailykos or democratunderground. There are plenty of people there like you who love homosexuality and hate Jesus.

  106. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 21, 2012 - 2:31 am | Permalink

    @Adeimantus: I agree. I believe in the right of all people to pursue racial nationalism, and have no desire to rule over any other race, or attempt to interfere with any other racial group’s ability to seek self rule within their own defined piece of territory.

  107. dixie's Gravatar dixie
    November 21, 2012 - 8:37 am | Permalink

    The Co-option of the Southern Secession movement by a TOTALLY non-Southern, often ANTI Southern, blog is very sad. True, the Whites of Dixie are White and do often know they are White. But the strains of the freedom movement that are SO TRUE to the heart of many in Dixie, especially the Appalachian and Upper South and their natural alliance with the upper midwest and west (voices nearly totally under-represented, indeed unrepresented, at a place such as TOO)— makes this a travesty.

    TOO writers, articulate as they may be, do VERY FREQUENTLY come from places a far cry from Dixie— as this article shows. They can only see things in this “red state-blue state” terminology. They are MERELY FIGHTING for “control” over the already hijacked U.S. The government is already centralized, the money collected and centralized—- and for a long time, as Ron Paul, has tried to say, the fight IS ONLY for which faction wishes to control the REAL American people.

    TOO, with its cast of foreign characters who write for it, wants that faction to be THEM, not the JEWS. One prays the REAL Americans will not make the mistake that make the Irish such as doubly-gutted people on the earth: the mistake of thinking the “enemy of your enemy is your friend.”

    Dixie is a real place, and the people who live there and have lived there, have ancestors WHO FOUGHT in order for a right to live as “a people.” They LOST, (and often one suspects to those who right here, gnashing their teeth not over that LOST part of where the real Dixie people could live in peace, and reproduce children) but only over the fact that some jews might get their hands on Dixie, which THEY want to control. They are mad at jews so often, since they think jews TOOK WHAT IS THEIRS…. but Dixie belonged to the real people of Dixie, and they do NOT WISH to hand Dixie back to the real people of Dixie.

  108. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 21, 2012 - 8:44 am | Permalink

    @dixie:
    I rather doubt that you can comprehend this but white freedom is about freedom and dignity for ALL white people. It is not all about you or Dixie.

  109. dixie's Gravatar dixie
    November 21, 2012 - 8:46 am | Permalink

    @ “…You are missing the point. We here are not red state or blue state. We are White state….”

    LOL—- as long as it’s YOUR “white” State.

    You are not arguing for the RIGHT OF AN independent people—- Dixe, to LIVE THEIR OWN LIVES. Largely, they are some of the “oldest stock” of America, and their fight in the Second War for Independence OVERLAPS with the revolution and many other wars.

    It was NOT A WAR for the old “white ethnics” of Europe, nor for the influx of peasants and serfs brought in such huge numbers from Europe, who transformed the u.s. into the embarrassment of today, by their serfs playing the role of the “mexicans before the mexicans” and voting in the current Welfare-Warfare Statist regime, (which the catholic-jewish coalition visibly RUNS, and if you disagree, get a television, lol; you are shown and told this every single day).

    The Fed— which was instituted when the South Euro catholics and East Euro jews brought their issues into the u.s.—- IS NOT THE PROBLEM of Dixie.

    Nor is their culture —WHITE though it is— compatible with the TOO tone, climate, background and ethnicity of the people and so on.

    To THEM, not going along with their culture (and one many in Dixie detest) is seen to be “lacking unity.” It’s just like the crusades and inquisitions: where you “lack unity” and are killed for being a “heretic” if you don’t’ want to live in their culture.

    White is white. Dixie is a white sub-group, with its own culture, language, foods, dances, more importantly way to be with others and have relationships, rich history of writers, essayists (mostly suppressed by your culture), real family ties that stretch into the 1600s and before in the country, a shared trajectory to the country, shared historical alliances with other peoples, and on and on and on.

    Show some respect like grownups.

  110. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 21, 2012 - 8:50 am | Permalink
  111. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 21, 2012 - 8:54 am | Permalink

    @dixie:
    Precisely to whom are we to show respect?

  112. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 21, 2012 - 9:30 am | Permalink

    @dixie:

    What exactly is it about the masthead of this Web site . . .

    “OCCIDENTAL OBSERVER : WHITE IDENTITY, INTERESTS, AND CULTURE”

    . . . that led you to believe that this was a neo-Confederate Web site, dedicated to resurrecting Dixie from a century and a half of Yankee depredations? (If it were not for Dixie, by the way, there would not be nearly forty million Negroes in this country, now, and my own place of birth, on the southern shore of Lake Michigan, would not be a noirish hell hole, careening toward ghost-town status….) Our virtual host here, Dr. MacDonald, is from a small city in Wisconsin, as I recall, and has long lived and taught in the (ertswhilely) Golden State. According to your own criteria, supra, that should make him a natural ally of you Dixiecrats. To say that the voices of the Upper Midwest and the West are “indeed unrepresented, at a place such as TOO” is quite bizarre, in light of the fact that this is Dr. MacDonald’s Web site, and that he authors the plurality, if not the outright majority, of the posts found here (discounting these dubious comment threads, of course, where he seldom interjects himself).

  113. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    November 21, 2012 - 10:13 am | Permalink

    @Dixie
    @Fenria

    You’re both right about your respective subjects here, and your reception by the usual suspects simply shows how right you are.

    Fenria, notice how, just like Jews, if you don’t buy into their religion it’s “hate,” in this case, “hating Jesus.” Never mind every major Christian organization in the US is dedicated to race-replacing immigration and 100% supportive of “anti-racism.” It’s also ironic, but hardly unexpected, that the Catholics seem to grow ever more agitated about homosexuality every time one of their “celibate” priests get caught in a gay bar, dies of AIDS, or is sued for molesting little boys. You can see what happens to a group of religious fanatics in deep, deep denial about their own spiritual leaders.

    Dixie, you are so very right about the “imperial” and “gladiator” Latin culture of the Catholics and how they mostly aspire to be the Judaic ruling class themselves. I think the attitude you explain is more prevalent among the commenters here than the actual writers themselves though; they do publish James Edwards of Political Cesspool, who is a true Southern patriot.

    Don’t let this collection of hasbara trolls and Catholic retreads pining for the fourteenth century get you down. Just because you post comments on TOO doesn’t make you pro-White – many here are actually not, simply anti-Jew, pro-Catholic, anti-Black, pro-conservative, pro-Republican, pro-libertarian, or other dedicated to some non-White universalist abstraction.

    Oh, and DK is right folks, the secession petitions are legally meaningless and indicate absolutely nothing other than how easy it is to get petition signatures online.

  114. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 21, 2012 - 11:05 am | Permalink

    Just fyi, the term “Dixie” itself could very possibly have derived from the French language bank notes (Dix or ten) that were printed in New Orleans before the war and circulated throughout the South. Also the Spanish colony of St. Augustine, FL is the oldest foundation east of the MS. I agree the Catholic Church is not really helpful at present, but don’t act like us Latins aren’t part of the South!

  115. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 21, 2012 - 11:06 am | Permalink

    @Skrep:

    Good points, nicely put. Note, too, that they have so irritated Pierce that he’s dropped his looking glass and cried out in narcissistic pain.

  116. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 21, 2012 - 11:07 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    You are # 1 with a bullet, this morning, at Tucker Carlson’s putatively conservative news site:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/21/the-weakest-of-the-weak-10-white-house-petitions-that-never-got-off-the-ground/3/

    Kudos, genius!

  117. November 21, 2012 - 11:42 am | Permalink

    Only 89 signatures on the STOP White Genocide petition at the White House site, and 150 are needed for it to become visible to white visitors who scroll through the petitions there.

    Do none of you have any sense at all what the word “propaganda” means? Or what it means to “control terminology”? Do all of you live in a near psychotic dream world where you imagine that your chatting with each other on this site adds up to anything more than narcissistic self-indulgence?

    These three days of trying to get signatures to this petition, so that it will be one more prong in our general effort to get the words “anti-white” and “White Genocide” into white minds, have been an education for me.

    There is no white movement. There is just an assortment of websites where narcissistic people who never intend to do a damned thing have a coffee klatch with each other.

    What in the devil is wrong with all of you? If you are frightened, you don’t have to use your own name. Just sign the petition and get it visible!
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-white-genocide-through-halting-massive-non-white-immigration-every-white-country-and-only-white/YV5861Tz

    A friend of mine recommended I post about the petition at Free Republic. My post didn’t go up, and I get the impression that the site is a neo-con site just shilling for Israel.

    But what is the motivation for all of you here? MacDonald is a straight shooter, who puts himself out there and even takes part in a demonstration when someone will organize a proper one.

    Most of you here are parasites, just sucking off of MacDonald’s energy and adding absolutely nothing to his effort, and in fact detracting from his effort by creating threads that would never attract anyone to ever DO anything, and would in fact repel most visitors from even becoming involved with this site itself.

    I don’t understand any of you. You make sounds as if you really, really care what has been done to Whites. I don’t think any of you actually give a damn! Or either all of you have been totally de-nutted!

    Tell me what any of you is doing that is useful! And even if you are doing something, tell me why you can’t take 5 minutes to sign up at the White House site and sign a petition!

    I’m suddenly very curious. What do any of you here do except CHAT WITH EACH OTHER?? If Joe Webb had posted to this article, I would have to exclude him from my remarks for sure, but what about the rest of you? And I recall another activist whose posts I no longer see here.

    But please, let’s impress any visitors here and hear how ALL of you are exceptions to my remarks!

    If you are all defeatists and think that nothing can be done, then get the devil away and make room for people who understand that there are things to do! You’ve spent years now “warming up,” and if nothing else, you should at least have enough shame to not continue exhibiting your utter worthlessness!

  118. November 21, 2012 - 12:03 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    LMAO! My Lord, you are clueless! Are you so perversely dense that you don’t understand how useful it is when anti-whites or anyone else repeats the very memes and terminology you are trying to spread???

    We call that “The Enemy Likes to Roll in the Grey Goo”
    http://whitegenocideproject.com/876/
    Another of our audios also touches on it,
    “The Audience, The Sleeping White Titan and Grey Goo”
    http://whitegenocideproject.com/830/

    My God, I’m trying to explain things to children here.

    But thanks for the notification that the Daily Caller is helping us out. I’m unfamiliar with that site, but others at Bugs may know how to draw further advantage from their having splashed a bit of the grey goo on themselves.

  119. November 21, 2012 - 12:21 pm | Permalink

    @ D.K.:

    If you were being sincere in your congratulations, my apologies for misunderstanding your intent. (I have two posts with links that are awaiting moderation)

    Meanwhile, everyone please sign the petition that I’ve linked countless times, so our memes and terminology will be visible to all whites who scroll through the petitions at the White House petition site.

  120. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    November 21, 2012 - 12:24 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Good points, nicely put. Note, too, that they have so irritated Pierce that he’s dropped his looking glass and cried out in narcissistic pain.

    Oh snap, Pierre!

    @Marcus

    Of course you’re right, ethnically, the “Catholics” that run the institution here in the US are the Northeastern Irish, Italians, and Polish. The New Yankees. No one would suggest that indigenous Southern Catholics in Louisiana and Charleston are not part of Dixie.

    I should add that the secession petitions are not quite meaningless, they are a great example of how Obama and the Democrats are more politically sophisticated and future-oriented than the conservative Republicans. Obama’s whitehouse dot gov petition program was a campaign issue, and “online issues” and symbolic gestures like putting legislation online and accepting these petitions have been a powerful Democratic outreach to under 35, educated White voters.

    How much more of the White vote would Romney have needed to win, 10%? I’m sure it was because the Republicans didn’t cater to religious Christians enough.

    The basic problem isn’t “red states” vs. “blue states” at all, it’s the fact that the plutocratic Republican party has no popular base of support among Whites, other than the religious, mostly evangelical Protestant, right. The religious right is actively anti-White, and scares the other 30% of White people away by their genuinely crazy and tone-deaf campaigns to turn the intricacies of embryology and “technical rape” into federal campaign issues, not to mention the full-body embrace of raceless Zionist “counter jihad” and their fervent desire to start WWIII for the King of the Jews and Holy Israel.

    Nominal Christians may be the majority in America, among Whites, Blacks, Mestizos and probably Asians too. But religious Christians are a minority special interest among Whites, and their racial attitudes are no more “explicit” than seculars under 40.

    I’m very concerned that all the religious attacks by the commenters on TOO will be scaring away vast numbers of the secular pro-Whites that would otherwise be sympathetic to our cause, but probably aren’t interested in obscure religious conflict or tongue-clucking by church ladies. See, two can play that game. I know some of you like to twist that around.

  121. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 21, 2012 - 12:47 pm | Permalink

    That’s what I’ve been hearing from friends in MS and AL: that evangelicals just stayed home, which is probably a good thing since Romney was much more likely to bomb Iran (for different reasons though). Pairing an unscrupulous northeastern “Rockefeller republican” capitalist with a social liberal technocrat was moronic.

  122. November 21, 2012 - 1:16 pm | Permalink

    I’m not going to give up on you TOO people (whom I consider to be high IQ idiots) so easily.

    Do you understand any of the significances of the Daily Caller having listed our STOP White Genocide petition on its site? I don’t know that site, but I’ve heard its name enough to assume it’s a fairly heavily viewed site (?)

    Now I don’t understand why the media has gone so batcrap crazy over the secession petitions, but I DO understand (which many of you seem not to) that when the media goes batcrap crazy about something, all the sheep out there go batcrap crazy about it too. Years of posting at knoxnews.com have shown me over and over that, whatever the media says is important, all the sheep immediately adopt as important, and can apparently not even think about anything else at all.

    So the White House petitions are a big deal right now in the minds of all the sheep out there whose attitudes we want to change. GET IT?? The White House petitions are such a big deal right now that the Daily Caller even goes to the length…ha! ha!…of writing a silly article about the petitions that “didn’t make it!” GET IT?? (Purely incidentally, you might notice that our petition is doing a lot better than the others that the Daily Caller mentioned).

    In other words, OPPORTUNITY IS KNOCKING. (GET IT???)

    Sheesh.

    Please sign here:
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-white-genocide-through-halting-massive-non-white-immigration-every-white-country-and-only-white/YV5861Tz

  123. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    November 21, 2012 - 1:37 pm | Permalink

    A lot of this splitting is the ancient split between soul and body.

    Each side wants total control (by government) in areas considered important:

    Theocracy for the christians (spiritual is highest value)

    Economic totalitarianism for the seculars (material is highest value)

  124. November 21, 2012 - 1:49 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza:

    Good comment, Tabula Raza. If that doesn’t get Whites off of their butts and into the streets, I don’t know what will.

    Just kidding.

  125. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 21, 2012 - 2:54 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: It may be a good comment in some sense or other; it’s simply mistaken, however.

    A great many TOO commenters (count me among them) have been burned once too often by the apparatus of a big, strong, kickass government—whatever its priorities, secular or otherwise—ever again to lend it or the idea of it (especially if it’s to be elective in structure) support of any sort. No big elective government will ever be free of attempts by Jewish moneybags to buy it, and short of scouring the world for such characters and ruthlessly pumping them full of lead, there is little likelihood that they will just pack up their wealth and retire to Tristan da Cunha. Small, ineffectual government or none at all, which has little or no revenue and no licensing power to hand over to the Chosen, is the Impossible Dream for this Quixote.

    As it happens, I incline rather more than otherwise to your view of certain aspects, at least, of the petition thing. Far more often than not, I side with D. K. on matters one might consider legal fantasies or quixotic adventures in feeling good as the chasm yawns. Here, however, it seems to me that few people if any are either concerning or deluding themselves about the legal questions—unless their concern is the plain-as-day fact that the legal fabric of this nation is a moral abomination and represents literally nothing but the will and power of the few to despoil the many. They are, I think, simply taking advantage of one of the many phony avenues of faux-dissent (the franchise being another) that the powers that be advertise to all and sundry as proof of their lie that the actual rulers of this country are its people.

    Is the mechanism of one or many secession petitions going to bring about a near-term change for the better. Hardly. Yet it does seem to be informing a considerable number of otherwise ignorant people of a few terms, a few gripes, a few attitudes that they seem never before to have heard.

    The Daily Caller link interested me in that it suggested, not that secessionism is gaining traction, but that the Masters of the Universe may have done once again what they do better than any other people in world history: overplay their hand. I fail to see, in other words, why Carlson and the folks whose shekel he takes didn’t just stay mum about what even days ago I would have called a nonevent.

    Think about the way Ron Paul has been treated for the last five or six years or so. The Tribe let him run around and speak to his cheering dozens and hundreds for a very large part of the time. When the temperature in the kitchen rose two degrees, they signaled to their shills to create the expression Paultard. They didn’t open the silo doors to expose their nukes (“he’s an anti-Semite!”) till worry became more than an itch.

    Can anyone doubt that they won that round? Why, then, even acknowledge the existence of this secession fantasy? Why indeed—unless they have had several drinks too many and have decided that with three sevens, they can’t possibly lose this or any hand. If you’ve ever played poker, you know they can.

    In short, I am somewhat hesitant in saying this, but for today I think that there are more pluses than minuses attendant upon this secession thing. Tomorrow’s another day, however.

  126. November 21, 2012 - 3:32 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Have you signed the petition?

  127. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 21, 2012 - 4:16 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: No. Well, not as my true self anyway.

    The point that matters, I believe, is getting people aware, as I said, of TOO’s concerns—that is to say, concerns that ought to be their own.

    You disagree, I know. That will have to be how things remain.

  128. November 21, 2012 - 4:45 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Thanks for signing the petition.

    I assume you mean you signed it, but didn’t have your heart in it! Lol!

    Well let me try this out, which I just posted at SF:

    I don’t know why the media has gone batcrap crazy over the secession petitions, but I DO understand that when the media goes batcrap crazy about something, all the sheep out there go batcrap crazy about it too. Years of posting at knoxnews.com have shown me that, and have also shown me that most people can’t think about anything at all except what is given importance by the media!

    So these secession petitions having for some reason (probably just the sensationalism of the idea) been given so much attention by the media, the White House petitions are a real big deal right now in the minds of all the (white) people out there whose attitudes we want to change.

    Our daily soap opera, the national news, has brought a new character onto the set: THE WHITE HOUSE PETITIONS!

    This new character has made such a hit with the public that the Daily Caller strains to get a little of the action by examining what it pretends is the dirty underwear of the new character! In other words, WHITE HOUSE PETITIONS ARE A BIG DEAL RIGHT NOW!

    The nation’s citizens are settled comfortably in the great theatre in which the National Soap Opera is presented daily to its hungry audience, and President O has told the white movement that we are welcome to dress up the Soap Opera’s hot new character in our best slogans, messages, etc. and send him out onto the stage in full view of the nation’s citizens!

    Am I being clear?

    Please sign in and sign here:
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-white-genocide-through-halting-massive-non-white-immigration-every-white-country-and-only-white/YV5861Tz

  129. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 21, 2012 - 6:34 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Let one thousand flowers bloom!

  130. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 21, 2012 - 10:20 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: At the barest minimum!

  131. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 22, 2012 - 1:59 am | Permalink

    Luke November 20, 2012 – 9:12 am | Permalink @Bigmo: This is the issue that needs to be item number one on the agenda of discussion topics at the first White Nationalist Leadership Summit.

    We cannot permit our new homeland to be brought to life and already have the seeds of its destruction planted inside it’s belly.

    Listen people – these jews and their Christian Zionist mentally insane stooges – have been plotting and cooperating with each other in trying to engineer the racial genocide of White European people. We have zero reason to believe that these two groups can ever be trusted to change their minds on this evil agenda, and therefore, I say both must be prohibited from stepping foot inside any future White Ethnostate.

    End quote

    But this issue is never addressed. Christian zionism is an idea. How Jews managed to manipulate them and the rest of the US White population has not been really addressed here. There is constant talk of White liberals. Yet when we look at Romney and Bush and US congress, many of Islael’s biggest supporters are exactly the very same demographic that many Nationalist target for support. The so called red state America. In fact White liberals seem less supportive of the Jewisha agenda. I bet Ron Paul had more support among White liberals than he ever had with White conservatives and White Christians. This issue has to be addressed more. What gurantee that this seccession movement will produce anything new? The same people who are signing those petitions are probably supporters of the Neocons and more war in the Middle East. These neocons will simply swarm these new states with immigrants and create a multi-cultural environment. These types of issues need to be discussed.

  132. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 22, 2012 - 11:15 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I am not opposed, on principle, Pierre, to signing a petition that states a case with which I am, on principle, in full agreement, even if doing so will have no material effect, regardless. In the instant case, along with being hyperbolic and alarmist, the petition at issue is, to my mind, wholly counter-productive. It invites just the type of scorn and loathing that even a putatively conservative Web site now has given it.

    Even that “advertisement” to a quasi-mainstream audience has helped raise the total number of signatures to that petition from something like 77 to something like 104 (the last time that I checked), in about a day and a half. That is hardly a populist groundswell– especially considering that the signatories themselves are allowed to remain virtually anonymous (e.g., “Shlomo Y., Palookaville, NY”).

    The belief of our fellow commenter here– that if only that petition were to become publicly available to those who peruse that particular government Web site, by reaching the requisite number of signatures, the White masses would suddenly be aware of their impending extermination– is delusional. We are not talking about a neon sign alight in Times Square. What kind of a person– other than a journalist, looking for a story (especially one that berates Whites)– spends his leisure time browsing such a site? The same type of person who peruses the personal ads in the Village Voice, each week, in hope that one will eventually be directed at him.

    Regardless, most White people reading that petition either will laugh or cringe. What is needed is a broad, non-partisan agreement that mass immigration has damaged the country, and that its continuation will destroy it altogether. To tie a restrictionist movement’s fate to some grand scheme, like a White ethnostate, that the vast majority of Whites themselves (let alone the Usual Suspects, and their apparatchiks and pawns) will not support is worse than pointless; it is self-defeating.

    When a newborn is bleeding to death, the doctor needs to staunche the bleeding– not brag to the parents about how he could make the child into anything the doctor pleased, if only they would turn over their child’s rearing to the doctor, until the age of seven!

  133. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 22, 2012 - 11:22 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    ERRATUM: “STAUNCH” (OR “STANCH”), NOT “STAUNCHE”! MEA CULPA!!

  134. November 22, 2012 - 12:01 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: @D. K.:

    Hey, D.K., are you into country music at all? Have you ever heard that song, “We live in two different worlds”?

    Have a good Thanksgiving!

  135. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 22, 2012 - 12:30 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    In the figurative sense, I live in a different world from anyone who is into country music! As ‘The Voice’ crooned, in his swan song at Columbia Records, sixty years ago (9/17/52): “Why Try to Change Me Now?”

    Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, none-the-proverbial-less! ;-)

  136. GT's Gravatar GT
    November 22, 2012 - 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Wise up folks! It doesn’t matter if Romney supporters presently hold beliefs and opinions white nationalists don’t like. It doesn’t matter that signing a petition may be a “meaningless gesture.” What matters is that these socially conservative tools of Republican plutocrats are beginning to think outside of the box. We should encourage this thinking.

    The destruction of the Republican party and the dissolution of the American corpse are good things.

  137. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 22, 2012 - 6:21 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Points taken. Still, I did try to make clear that I had no such hopes (vain hopes, I quite agree) as those you describe. No number worth counting will, I think, be convinced or even impressed. Where I suppose I differ with you here is that my strong suspicion is, as I wrote, that very few white people have even a rudimentary awareness that the issues that bring you and me and many others to TOO are entertained by few, if any, except those who talk like mark and Luke (and I’m not referring to the Evangelists) or those who entertain “revisionist” views on Nationalsozialismus. (NB: I am not saying, of course, that at least some revision of received views of NS is not appropriate. My focus for these local purposes is solely on our fellows who take the received views at face value, in most cases because they are not cognizant of the existence of any others among “respectable” people.) This being a matter where ignorance does our side no good at all, I am not entirely without hope that merely seeing a cogent, coherently drafted sentence or two referring to the destruction of the historic American nation and white genocide might actually cause a few eyes to open or ears to perk up.

    The composer Elliott Carter died at 103 on November 5. Back in the late forties, after hearing a performance of Carter’s Cello Sonata, Virgil Thomson, then the music critic of the New York Herald-Tribune, wrote in his review, “I have never felt the feeling of this music before.” If even a hundred of our fellow white Americans, through the already surprising publicity (surprising to me certainly) this admittedly nugatory petition farce has achieved, can, however fractionally, see what we see, hear what we hear, feel what we feel, I shall consider the exercise to be much more than vain activity.

    If truth be told, however, were I a betting man, I wouldn’t wager a dime on my being right. Yet I am still not so old as to disdain the chance to be surprised.

  138. The Goy Chevalier's Gravatar The Goy Chevalier
    November 25, 2012 - 11:29 pm | Permalink

    @dixie: Stars and bars! Dixie is the most legitimate White region in the entire country.

  139. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    November 26, 2012 - 10:57 pm | Permalink

    @Fenria: It’s ignorance we can’t abide, Fenria, but you know that.

  140. November 27, 2012 - 12:57 pm | Permalink

    As an observer, external to the US political process, the Red State/Blue State debate is as pointless as the Left/Right or Liberal/Conservative debate.
    To use modern terminology, what is needed is a paradigm shift to focus on what is bad for all. The shift is not going to be rapid or extreme, unless those sympathetic to the cause who are in a position to do so stage a coup d’etat. I think it is fair to say that no such group exists, for the same reasons demonstrated by the commenters here – there is no agreement on what the future should look like.

    The conversion of the Republicrats and Democans didn’t happen over night. The polluting of the political parties was done at a snail’s pace over decades. The same has to happen for this cause. The Left/Right/Conservative/Liberal/Red/Blue labels and prejudices have to be discarded. A consensus on two or three issues has to be acheived. In any political campaign, and this is a political campaign, neither identifying your support nor opposition is the key. The key is identifying the undecided. Therefore, the concensus on the issues has to appeal to the undecided.

    Blacks know that immigration is bad for them, as the vast majority of immigrants (legal or illegal) compete for the same jobs. Immigration, regardless of its source, is bad economically, for blacks.

    Immigrants have to live somewhere, eat something. and use the same services as whites, blacks, and other immigrants. In your fixed, winner take all, high finance, corrupt economic system, everyone pays more for those goods and services, due to more immigration. Even the legal immigrants are affected. Economically, it is bad for all and the children of all, except the kleptocray in charge.

    While the US is a large land mass, huge tracts are un-inhabitable. The current population stretches the available water resources, and pollutes disproportionately on the high side. In short, immigration, irrespective of its source, is bad for the environment, and therefore bad for all.

    All of the above eliminate the Left/Right etc. from the narrative. Until the flow of non-whites has been stopped, or reduced to a trickle, moving on to whiteness can’t be addressed.

  141. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 27, 2012 - 2:56 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:
    I certainly agree that all of the old labels have become dangerously vague and overloaded with emotional baggage. Immigration is our most pressing problem. I think we must fight on all fronts. We must demand a return to truth and honesty. If I am talking to a hardcore liberal, I rarely argue with them on political philosophy. I simply point out the impossibility of a welfare state and open borders. To environmentalists I use different arguments. I even admit to reminding poor deluded animal worshipers, who think that a cute little dog is a perfect substitute for a baby, that some ethnic groups eat dog. Rather than try to bash people by claiming they are totally wrong in their most dearly held beliefs, I find the objection that they are most open to. We got here by playing let’s pretend. Time to champion a return to reality based reasoning.

  142. November 29, 2012 - 10:08 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Thank you Alice.
    Over the years I have been accused of being a pessimist or negative. I call it realism.
    Political parties, in all countries, have spies or useful idiots of the tribe. Once there is a sniff of credibility and a chance that the party may have some influence, a full scale invasion takes place in order to change the focus. The New Democratic Party, at the federal level, in Canada is a perfect example. Once there was a sense that people were fed up with the Liberal party, the NDP was invaded and is now controlled by those who are the antithesis of its origins. A once “socialist” party is now to the “right” of old the “right” Progressive Conservative party of the 60s and 70s. In the US, the Tea Party is a good example. What started as a grass roots organization of disaffected voters became elite controlled, self destructive, and discredited for its support of an arse-kissing Judeophile.

  143. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 29, 2012 - 10:38 am | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:
    The question is how do we learn to do the same thing? I agree with many about the sins of the republicans here in America. Are we wrong to immediately distance ourselves from it because they are tainted by the unclean – or do we stage a takeover? Sooner or later white flight no longer serves. When and where do we decide to stand and fight?

  144. Mary, White Advocate's Gravatar Mary, White Advocate
    November 29, 2012 - 12:23 pm | Permalink

    You are absolutely right, Curmudgeon. Once any organization gets to the point where it can have any influence or positive effect, it is taken over by what you call the “arse-kissing judeophile” and his ilk. One way that this can be prevented is to include Jesus Christ as Savior in the platform as does the Constitution party as stated in its Preamble:
    “The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.”
    Other ways to prevent, or discourage a takeover, is to plan events to be on major Jewish holidays and be sure to include pork, even bacon bits on the salad, in meals served at party functions. Because of the attitudes towards “hate speech,” one has to be very careful NEVER to mention them by exact name. “Judeophiles” has to suffice.

  145. rick dimbath's Gravatar rick dimbath
    November 29, 2012 - 3:43 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    470 signatures is not very impressive to say the least

  146. james hamilton's Gravatar james hamilton
    December 1, 2012 - 3:02 am | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza: You had the beginning of a very penetrating comment but then you dropped the ball. The actual content of ‘Spirit’ makes a huge difference. American protestantism is a form of spiritual materialism that is actually an anti-religion, or as Alain de Benoist put it, ‘the double-negative of judaism’. Spirit that is based on the ‘Transcendent’ of Julius Evola, of Indo-European Paganism, et al, would be ‘spiritual’ but surely at odds with most of the ‘American christian’ agenda. Please think & define your terms.

  147. james hamilton's Gravatar james hamilton
    December 1, 2012 - 3:09 am | Permalink

    I just wanted to add i have a lot of sympathy for ‘Fenria’.

  148. ByTheWay's Gravatar ByTheWay
    December 1, 2012 - 6:54 am | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    Google : Marijuana’s positive health effects

    Pharmaceuticals & Alcohol are moral, legal, pro-American & Godly

    Plant medicine is ungodly & Anti-American

    Tobacco is also pro-American

    I have never advocated or believed that drugs should be abused or
    Lead to addiction death styles & especially including Juveniles .

    UNLESS OF COURSE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES PUSH BILLIONS OF
    PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS ON CHILDREN & TEENS , because then it is
    Pro-American & Righteousness

    Putting millions of Euro- American Young .People through the system &
    Jail/Incarceration and not infrequently including forms of physical
    & psychological abuse as well as vaious degrees/forms of stigma for
    No good reason is not appreciated by many who are Good Americans.

    They should of been good red staters & stuck to Booze, Tobacco &
    Pharmaceuticals or just go to Jail where they belong!!!

  149. ByTheWay's Gravatar ByTheWay
    December 2, 2012 - 2:34 am | Permalink

    Revoltoftheplebs Dec 1

  150. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 2, 2012 - 10:04 am | Permalink

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