Disenfranchised White Males: Time for Secession

Kevin MacDonald


My impression is that in 2008 the mainstream media was basking in the glow of multicultural heaven with the election of Obama. There was very little commentary on the racial pattern of the results and what they portended a difficult time ahead for the Republicans (at TOO, we’ve been on it). This time around, one hears nothing but commentary on how the Republicans are doomed if they don’t pander to Hispanics (Hispander, as VDARE has it).

The racial fault lines are more apparent than ever. Whereas in 2008, the official version was that 58% of Whites voted Republican, this year, according to the CNN exit poll data, it split 59%–39%. Of course, the White population includes Jews and Middle Easterners classed as Whites but who do not vote like other Whites and do not identify with the traditional people and culture of America. (70% of Jews voted for Obama, down from ~80% in 2008, perhaps because Obama didn’t immediately bomb Iran at Israel’s behest. As a critical component of the new hostile elite, Jewish voters are mainly motivated by their identification with the non-White coalition of the Democratic Party, assuming [correctly] that support for Israel is sufficiently bi-partisan to carry the day.) As usual, the White percentage of the electorate continued to decline, from 74% to 72%. And as usual, the Republican Party received over 90% of its votes from Whites.

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Non-Whites voted overwhelmingly for Obama–80% on average. Asians have become like Jews in their voting—focused not on their economic position so much as their identification with non-White America. Indeed, a higher percentage of Asians (73%) voted for Obama than did Latinos (71%) and Jews (70%).

Whites of both sexes voted Republican, with only 35% of White males voting Democrat and only 42% of White women. Even Whites in the youngest age category (18–29 years)–those most influenced by Sumner Redstone’s MTV and by the school system whose main purpose now is to pound the benefits of diversity into the brains of captive young audiences–voted Republican (51% to 41%).

So the Republican Party is the White people’s party. The media is screaming now that the party reach out to Latinos to become competitive again. I suppose that is what they will try to do. But it is very unlikely to work.

It’s not just about immigration. In order to appeal to the vast majority of non-Whites, the Republicans would also have to be the party of entitlements for minorities and high taxes for their White base. Consider the situation in California. In a Wall Street Journal article (“California’s Greek Tragedy“), two Stanford professors, Michael F. Boskin and John F. Cogan,  note that

from the mid-1980s to 2005, California’s population grew by 10 million, while Medicaid recipients soared by seven million; tax filers paying income taxes rose by just 150,000; and the prison population swelled by 115,000. … With 12% of America’s population, California has one third of the nation’s welfare recipients. (see here)

And as a result of the most recent election, the Democrats have a 2/3 majority in the State Legislature, meaning that they can raise taxes as much as they please. This new supermajority will now see White Californians as a cash cow, to be milked at will until we see the light and leave. California is a harbinger of what the entire nation will look like soon.

So in order to appeal to Latinos, Republicans will have to not only agree to let more Latinos in, they also have to be gung ho on raising taxes and jacking up benefits. This is not even remotely a vision that even a moderate Republican  could accept. It is complete surrender, and would be staunchly resisted by its core constituency. As all the research shows, Whites are not going to be willing to pay for public goods that will be consumed by non-Whites. It’s going to make for a very unhappy White minority. Just another cost of multiculturalism.

And the bottom line is that Latinos will ultimately behave like Jews and Asians—they will see their future in the Democratic Party as the party of non-White America independent of social class.

White males constituted only 34% of the electorate and this will continue to decline. It’s no accident that stocks of gun companies soared after the election, even though the stock market as a whole took a dive. What we have here is a situation in which around 70% of traditional American White men (correcting for the overly inclusive White’ category used by the media) are now pretty much officially disenfranchised in a country where they see themselves as the founding population. That’s a lot of angry White men. The vast majority of these men are not going to be willing participants in a Republican campaign to recruit Latinos, no matter what the enlightened party elites want. And there will be far more non-Whites voting in 2016 because Obama is bent on legalizing the illegals and because of continuing displacement-level legal non-White immigration.

This is or at least ought to be explosive. It may take a while for this 70% to wake up to the reality that they are politically impotent. But it will happen. Separatist movements in the many states that are deeply red are certainly a possibility. (A friend mentioned that Rush Limbaugh joked about secession.) Is there any other realistic alternative? Apart from futile violence against the Leviathan, do White men really have any other choice? That is, unless they think that exiting the stage of history as something less than men is a reasonable alternative.

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484 Comments to "Disenfranchised White Males: Time for Secession"

  1. November 29, 2012 - 4:34 pm | Permalink

    The whites are being roasted by the blacks in S.Africa and you are doing nothing to help them. Why? Why is that the WASP man does not like fighting. Its the only way forward or else your enemies would always walk over you. The fight starts in S.Africa. Lets see how many white Americans are prepared to go over there and help their brothers.

  2. November 29, 2012 - 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Lets get real The bottom line is the WASP man does not know how to fight. By and large they are timid, meek and above all cowards. They are more worried about their jobs and mortgage. My advise to you is leave your jobs and learn how to fight like the blacks. I mean street fighting.

  3. Syd's Gravatar Syd
    November 24, 2012 - 2:00 am | Permalink

    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    I implore you to watch what your neighbor’s kids are watching: Disney Channel, Nick Jr., etc …
    They are teaching white children to embrace hip-hop culture at the very youngest of ages. Guest-stars are almost exclusively black. White children and pre-teens are taught grammar, spelling, vocabulary, etc, during rap-music sing-alongs, and directed to websites which instruct them how to beat-box.
    Within a generation’s time, we will be effectively irrelevant.

  4. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 18, 2012 - 9:31 am | Permalink

    Jason Speaks

    November 18, 2012 – 6:34 am | Permalink

    @Bigmo:

    even liberals may not like the idea of a small group dictating the culture of the nation while supporting an ethno state in Israel

    I don’t think White liberals will like that … in fact, many already say Israel should be multiracial and diverse. But, it doesn’t seem to change their view that the US and Europe should also be more “diverse” (i.e. less White people).

    End quote

    Maybe because they don’t see an agenda and think it may have to do with economics (greying of the West). But I wonder once they get to see it was a Jewish affair all along (at least in the US) how they will react. Remember the author of this article himself was a liberal and changed gear. So did others like Michael E JoneS and David Duke. All were strong admirers of Jews and Israel initially. It was their discovery of specific Jewish intentions that made them change gear. Right now most Americans know about foreign policy like Neocons and war in the Middle East. Hollywood made most of them hate Arabs anyways so its not striong oppossition yet but it did make some changes. But once they discover the White displacement agenda, its another matter. Its once thing to look the other way when the Palestinians are being disposessed its another when you are the one being disposossed. The 2012 elections now made the cat come out of the bag, its official now. Whites are losing power bad. But many liberals still don’t know why. An event like 9-11 and the Iraq war is needed but domestically. Something that attracts attention. But we must not assume that White liberals are looking forward to post White America. After all what are the republicans doing about it anyways?

  5. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 18, 2012 - 6:34 am | Permalink

    @Bigmo:

    even liberals may not like the idea of a small group dictating the culture of the nation while supporting an ethno state in Israel

    I don’t think White liberals will like that … in fact, many already say Israel should be multiracial and diverse. But, it doesn’t seem to change their view that the US and Europe should also be more “diverse” (i.e. less White people).

  6. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 17, 2012 - 3:24 pm | Permalink

    chad johnson

    November 12, 2012 – 6:36 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo:

    Thanks for the reasoned response. I really am not saying that I think Prof. McDonald is wrong, I am just saying I think the approach is a loser. Also I think that we could better fight any outside threats if we were aware of them and united, it is not enough to be aware and not united. Clearly. I do disagree with you that Muslims are not a threat here in America, they are a dangerous threat to us. Here in Tennessee we are being overrun with new what we would call “compounds” of muslims. They are fronts for terrorism in the eyes of a good many white Southrons, and when they read anyone who is openly pro-muslim it just destroys anything else that they say. So the idea that the muslims are so smart that they havent bought into the Jewish cabal while the idiot Europeans have been suckered right in is a non-starter for whites around here. Sorry fellas, but it just wont sell. And furthermore as Christians, we feel as threatened by the Muslims as we do the left. So any perception of an alliance between WN and arabs is simply a loser and a non-starter.

    End quote

    But the question is WHY southerners fear the Islam threat as they do. Is it based on actual realty on the ground or perceptions? I can not see how Islam matters in an American context. Their population is believed to be just over 3 million with a thrid African Americans and I think they have one congressman. They control no media outlet, no banks and no political support by either party in congress. I have a hard time understanding this concern other than media creating a fear of Muslims in America to galvanize Americans to more confrontation with Middle East countries like Iran. But this has to due with Jewish activism. Muslims in the end won’t assimilate in American societies but there are many other ethnic groups who also won’t but have large numbers making their situation much more dangerous.

    In Europe its another matter. There Muslims are much more present with large numbers. They have an Islam problem but not to the same extent that Whites in America have since the indigineous population in Europe still are 90% of the population. Their is no way to compare the issue.

    You are right about the current situation in many White America but this situation is not anything but a creation of Jewish activism. Just look at Fox News and MSNBC how they are now talking about the Gaza violence. Even the Israel media is not that supportive of the Israel military actions. So u figure.

  7. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 17, 2012 - 2:04 am | Permalink

    Jason Speaks

    November 12, 2012 – 4:46 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo:

    I’m afraid most White liberals are fully supportive of policies that hurt Whites, even without prompting from anyone. Most of them are aware of the influences you mention I think. They just hate regular Whites more than anyone else.

    End quote

    Even Madonald did not change his views about Jews only after his third book when he researched immigration policy. This shows that its the domestic agenda that created the backlash, not dispossessing the Palestinians when it comes with Whites in general. As it stands, I still do not believe most liberals know about the domestic agenda of Jewish activism. If someone like Macdonald could write two detailed books and still did not see properly that agenda what do you think about the usual liberal? Of course in his case he was not a conservative so the leftist agenda may not have concerned him at the beginning. But its Jewish role in immigration policy.

    I believe when this comes out it will have a sea change difference in terms of Whites since even liberals may not like the idea of a small group dictating the culture of the nation while supporting an ethno state in Israel. I can say from experience I have not met anyone in real life who was able to connect Jewish activism with immigration polcies of the West.

    In your case you may have been a conservative all your life and maybe you had issues with the civil rights movement and immigration and might have saw the Jewish hand in it early. But this is , as I said, cup cakes compared to this huge demographic shift. Its my belief that the Nationalist movement in America exaggerated the so called negro threat.This is something you see throughout American history. This emphasis on the negro threat who might rise up in violence and take over the South murdering and raping. It never happened and will not happen. This was a fear that was always hypothetical and motivated the passages of many laws that were oppressive towards Blacks like the black code law and increased the hostilities between Blacks and Whites. It did nothing to change the status quo. Because all this time the race debate was betwen Whites. Whites were dominant nation wide and controlled the army and industry and government and blacks can see this. Most of the riots that took place was based on living conditions and most of all seperation of family members. Blacks never had much to want anyways, but they wanted families to stay together and less long hours of work.

  8. Longing4abetterworld's Gravatar Longing4abetterworld
    November 16, 2012 - 10:56 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: yes, I think it’s the end of the world as we know it….secession may be the only way out of this muck. I feel guilty for not having any kids of my own. Better make that gun purchase soon. Any suggestions? A pistol and a rifle, or just a pistol?? In the words of Frank Zappa, “I might be moving to Montana soon.”

  9. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    November 16, 2012 - 7:59 am | Permalink

    Chad;
    Don’t be too distraught over the election. I’m a small businessman myself, those of us who know our business will survive. Some common traits of businessmen who survive long term include one that others call cheapness. I love and cherish my wife, and love to get her and the family what they want, but she also understands I need capital to run my businesses, so we live frugally.
    Number one way to live frugally: Small house in a crime free (white) neighborhood, where living expenses are low. Plus I do almost everything myself – if you can believe it, I fixed my own water heater the other day, not just to save the service charge, labor, and parts markup, but also to keep my skills up for the eventual collapse. Although I’m a good shot, I’m getting too old for the front lines, but someone needs to keep the supply lines running…
    Work relentlessly to please your customers, but watch out for the tribe, they will take advantage in the sneakiest of ways, half the time you won’t realize they are jews until they have stuck you on a deal. Once you realize their tactics in negotiations, though, they seem sort of childish. If you have enough business and money saved up, you can tell them no deal, and walk away. Don’t ever give them leverage!

  10. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    November 16, 2012 - 1:30 am | Permalink

    @Marcus: @Marcus: “Remember that the military will be majority white for long after the demographics of the country as a whole change”.

    I agree with you, sooner or later race will kick in and in spite of the technology advantage of the mighty US Military, many white soldiers will cease taking orders they don’t agree with. It may well turn into a large scale mutiny. The ‘browned’ part of the Armed Forces who remain, won’t be able to defeat 10 to 15 million pissed off America males equipped with many weapons.

    I know someone here mentioned Drones in a reply to you. I’m inclined to think Whites will soon find ways to infiltrate and eventually disable or even take over such devices.

    When it comes to it, when the Caucasian man really has his back to the wall, as we are beginning to see once again in Greece and Spain, there is no more dangerous creature on Earth. Think about this; just three Mid western US states issued over 2 Million hunting licences last season, 2 Million (mainly) hated White males who own at least the same number of weapons, who know how to shoot and how to kill. One hell of a potential militia, just there.

    The enemy knows very well that all that stands between their total control are the countless millions of guns in the hands of Whites who know how to use them. The sooner the Zionist dollar collapses and we have it out the better.

    If it comes to it and plenty of us on here are sure it will, White Caucasians with an IQ of 100 are not going to have much trouble with their 80 something IQ opponents. If I were a non-white immigrant I’d be inclined to make a move to escape before the sleeping giant that is the American White population awakes.

  11. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 16, 2012 - 1:24 am | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall, re, “I never once stated anything whatsoever about Alaska “seceding”, as “Starera” claimed.”
    Yes, I went back and checked, you were only quoting somebody else.

    Re, “As for getting “worked up”, that statement implies that you’re correct, and I am not.”
    No, you are both correct about the misquote and worked up, that much is obvious.

    I will amend my remarks to only what you did in fact say, that your plan was the closest substitute to secession. It is not even close to secession, federal law would remain supreme and all you could do is complain about it like other Red states do. It does nothing to change the outcome in America and is not the grand solution to our problems you think it is, I doubt that you have moved to Alaska yourself or have convinced many others to do so. As I said before whites will indeed start to move to safer areas of the country as the non-white invasion continues and that is nothing to rejoice about, is it a symptom of the disease and certainly no cure. It is this elevation of running away over fighting to take America back that I most object to and staging a safe retreat to an enclave is a sorry substitute for taking our country back.

    @Alice Teller, you are getting a little worked up as well but at least we may agree on something, if other posters get confrontational that is their affair, not yours, let the moderators handle it.

  12. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 15, 2012 - 10:05 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Bless you. Amazing. I’m going to watch this on Saturday—work presses now—if the forces of antifascism haven’t removed it and jailed the poster and all the approving commenters, including our own Ward Kendall (whose first comment, whilst a touch acidic, is all too sadly true).

    Actually, I did watch half an hour before I let Duty drag me away, and I am struck yet again, as I have been every other time I’ve seen the movie, by the astonishing naturalness of the then very young Bobby Driscoll. In almost sixty years of film watching, I have seen few child actors who so successfully convey the authentic mental and physical state of real children. Even in the late fifties I recall my elders invidiously comparing the absurdly overrated Brandon de Wilde, who almost ruined Shane, with Driscoll.

    The terribly sad ending of Driscoll’s life a mere twenty years later after this film was made has built into it a near-Euripidean horror and irony. It should be a caution to every would-be stage mom and dad to spare their children the inevitable harm of film work—but it won’t.

  13. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 15, 2012 - 6:49 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:Ceding the franchise of money creation to the government alone, à la Hodgson Brown or Zarlenga (who runs politics?), is only a variant to the existing, unsatisfactory arrangement. My 2¢, gratis:

  14. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 15, 2012 - 6:21 pm | Permalink
  15. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 15, 2012 - 6:19 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    You see why we love you? Spoken like the gentleman you are.

  16. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 15, 2012 - 6:12 pm | Permalink

    @chad johnson:
    Thanks, Chad. I think we area all in a funk about the election results. It becomes harder and harder to imagine how our children will survive much less thrive in the future. Perhaps a good place to begin to understand some of the anger expressed toward Jews is to look at Jewish contributions to political parties for the last century. In the meantime ,you have done us a service by pointing out how we come across to newcomers. Welcome aboard.

  17. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 15, 2012 - 6:00 pm | Permalink

    @starera:
    Shocking as you may find the idea, my needs are not your affair. If Keven MacDonald or the moderator makes it known that the goal of this site is to provide a space for people whose ability to effect change is limited to hurling invectives I will be pleased to go elsewhere. In the meantime I will stand my ground. If the only contribution I can make is to show by example that normal, middle class, polite women who simply want the best for their children and family are also white loyalists, I hope it will suffice.

  18. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 15, 2012 - 5:16 pm | Permalink

    @chad johnson:

    I have already been called everything from a rube to a spy or something to that effect.

    That’s just TOO’s way of giving you a big hello (ask Jason Speaks about his experiences)!

    OK, kidding aside, I for one am full prepared to argue amicably. Aside from the occasional Muslim poster (Rehmat, notably, who, whatever his religious views, has more than once provided a valuable perspective), no one here takes the view that a 90 percent reduction of the Islamic horde in Europe or North America wouldn’t be one heck of a good thing. From time to time, too, other commenters have decoupled the Muslim problem from the Jewish problem. As you know, of course, I am one that thinks doing so is a mistake. There are others who, in re this issue, consider “mistake” the understatement of this or any year.

    Whatever else happens, please remember that virtually everything blows over hereabouts. Just keep your right up and your chin down, and you’ll do fine. Alice Teller has already made a few sage comments, to which I’d add this: if you ever find yourself thinking good thoughts about G. W. Bush, Obama, Hillary, or Teddy Kennedy, think twice before you share them. Otherwise, no holds are barred. Welcome.

    P.S. Say thanks to Trenchant for his amazing links every once in a while. As far as I can tell, the only thing he hasn’t been able to come up with yet is a streamed download of Song of the South.

    • November 15, 2012 - 6:24 pm | Permalink

      Below is a statement “Starera” made and which I addressed in an earlier post:

      Starera claimed: “Ward Kendall, yes, obviously people may move to Alaska and vote in a new state government, that is not a secession from the US. You’ve been calling it secession, hence my objection.”

      After rechecking ALL of my posts regarding this article, I never once stated anything whatsoever about Alaska “seceding”, as “Starera” claimed. I then went to the trouble of posting my previous quote clearly supporting that, which “Starera” then made this comment:

      Starera: “Ward, no, you used the term “secession” several times in your prior comments without the qualification you quote now. You are talking about migration, not secession, and I already told you I’m fine with that, you are getting worked up over nothing.”

      And I respond again: NO, “Starera”, you are dead wrong. I never once used the word “secession” out of context, or made any other reference to it that was incorrect. You can easily settle this by doing one simple thing: post any quote of mine where I stated that voting a WN candidate into political office (in Alaska) is secession. If you can’t do that, “Starera”, you need to shut up. As for getting “worked up”, that statement implies that you’re correct, and I am not. In point of fact, as any who cares to read all of my previous posts, I never said anything that you have claimed. Either you have fragmented reading skills or you are deliberately attempting to foment discord, which I suspect is now the case.

      But, I repeat: BACK UP YOUR ASSERTION OR SHUT UP

      Hold Back This Day
      The Towers of Eden

  19. chad johnson's Gravatar chad johnson
    November 15, 2012 - 5:14 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    Well Vlad and Alice and Henry, I thank all of you. I am open to all these questions. Perhaps I was wrong to come in here and start sharing my opinion knowing it was going to be ill received right away. I should have talked about some common ground first. I am not at my best either. The reelection of obamamellon has me near despondent as a small businessman. One thing I know I share with you all is that I support White rights and Whites waking up and entering the arena of group politics. I will continue to read the articles and the threads. I will say to Henry that I have no doubt that the Jews slaughtered Christians in 610, but I hardly hold todays Jews responsible for that, whereas muslims are actively slaughtering Americans and Christians now (Ft. Hood, Benghazi, Little Rock, etc, etc…) I may actually agree with a lot of what KM has said about the Jewish media but whatever I feel about Jews will not lead me to an alliance with a people dedicated to my destruction. Peace.

    • Henry's Gravatar Henry
      November 15, 2012 - 7:59 pm | Permalink

      @chad johnson:

      ….. I will say to Henry that I have no doubt that the Jews slaughtered Christians in 610, but I hardly hold todays Jews responsible for that, whereas muslims are actively slaughtering Americans and Christians now (Ft. Hood, Benghazi, Little Rock, etc, etc…) I may actually agree with a lot of what KM has said about the Jewish media but whatever I feel about Jews will not lead me to an alliance with a people dedicated to my destruction.

      Well Chad, no one here is asking you to make an alliance with Muslims. Certainly not I. But you still don’t want to admit that it’s the Jews who are dedicated to you destruction.

      I note you ignored my earlier question to you re: the USS Liberty, perhaps you think 1968 should be dismissed as ”ancient history” in order to accommodate the crimes of modern Israel?

      As for Arab attacks upon the US….I think the Arabs will have to go some to catch up with the gruesome holocausts that America (in league with other western nations) has inflicted on the hapless peoples of the Middle East.

      Of course it could be the case that a million ‘smart’ bombs don’t smart at all when they land on the heads of a innocents abroad?

      But I don’t think so.

  20. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 15, 2012 - 3:31 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall: @Ward Kendall:
    Ward, no, you used the term “secession” several times in your prior comments without the qualification you quote now. You are talking about migration, not secession, and I already told you I’m fine with that, you are getting worked up over nothing.

  21. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 15, 2012 - 3:16 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Alice, no, venting is a good thing, white women who are racially aware are a treasure but you need to get used to our behavior, it’s not going to be like the PTA.

  22. November 15, 2012 - 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Starera claimed: “Ward Kendall, yes, obviously people may move to Alaska and vote in a new state government, that is not a secession from the US. You’ve been calling it secession, hence my objection.”

    You’ve not comprehended anything I’ve previously stated, completely misrepresenting it. As proof, I submit to all readers my earlier statement:

    WHAT I SAID: “As far as the viability of secession, I speak only for myself when I state that I do not believe it could succeed. The closest substitute to secession would be for white nationalists to flood a particular state in sufficient numbers in order to field a gubernatorial candidate, and vote themselves into power.”

    So you’re mistaken: I made clear the difference between “secession” and the closest thing to it – seizing control of the Alaskan state government. What worries me is that if you made this kind of egregious error and you’re ostensibly on “our side”, then we white nationalists are indeed in serious trouble…

    Hold Back This Day
    The Towers of Eden

  23. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 15, 2012 - 9:57 am | Permalink

    @starera:
    Thanks for your concern. If my gentle sensibilities were the only concern I would simply go elsewhere. However, I think that we owe it to our fellows who are so lost and confused to give the lie to the petty slurs which cast all white loyalists as mindless, hate filled brutes.

    I understand the desire to vent. It is self-indulgent and childish. That should not be our highest priority. Winning allies by force of argument is the example DR. MacDonald has set.

  24. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 15, 2012 - 1:10 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Alice, your post illustrates a point I’ve mentioned to you before and I trust you won’t mind too much that I come back to it. Re;

    “You are also right that the tone here is too often needlessly coarse and ugly at worst. We break accepted social taboos at best. For myself, I do this because I owe a greater obligation to the truth, as I have come to learn it, that to social pleasentries(sic). I certainly accept that this presents a real challange(sic) to unity. In my opinon(sic) this is an unavoidable consequence of the problems we face.”

    Your being uncomfortable around conflict and your desire to find some unified consensus is a natural female trait. However, confrontation and combat is normal male behavior, no doubt you’ve noticed that your sons get into more fistfights than your daughters. You don’t need to be so concerned about it, we won’t hurt each other beyond repair.

    There is no common ground upon which to build an inter-racial consensus when it comes to the racial struggle we are in, it will come down to violence and we will survive or perish depending upon how effectively we apply violence as a solution. Those of us who recognize this will from time to time use rough language because we are in a way all preparing for the biggest fight of our life. It is not in the female nature to see violence as a reasonable solution to the problem for reasons I’ve mentioned before and won’t repeat now, but please resign yourself to at least some level of verbal violence among males, your “needlessly coarse and ugly” is what passes for normal give-and-take bs among most of us here. Think of it as blowing off steam and don’t let it bother you.

  25. Henry's Gravatar Henry
    November 14, 2012 - 8:02 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Four years earlier, in 610, the Jews of Syria had forced the Patriarch of Antioch (the eastern Pope) to feast on his own entrails.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasius_II_of_Antioch

  26. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    November 14, 2012 - 7:24 pm | Permalink

    @Henry:
    Good point. At that date they also had finished their Talmud with its hateful descriptions of Jesus and his mother Mary. The Koran however is full of respect for Jesus and his mother and has positive things to say about Christians.

  27. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 14, 2012 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    @Henry: My God, this is news to me. I thank you for this information. I’ve now got some catch-up reading to do.

  28. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 14, 2012 - 7:17 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    … the poor gentleman is stuck in Hymietown …

    You had to rub it in!

  29. Henry's Gravatar Henry
    November 14, 2012 - 6:47 pm | Permalink

    @chad johnson:

    Chad,

    Don’t know that in 614, 23,000 Jewish mercenaries entered Palestine at the head of a Persian army and (after subduing the Christian population) struck a deal with their Persian employers whereby they purchased the right to do with the Christians as they saw fit. Over the next three days, the Jews proceeded to decapitate as many as 90,000 Christians until even the Persians grew sick of the Kosher bloodbath and demanded an end to it!

    Please note that the year 614 was before the spread of Islam.

  30. Mr. Dithers's Gravatar Mr. Dithers
    November 14, 2012 - 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Racially conscious white men have much to ponder in the months and years ahead. We live under a system that hates and despises us and will continue to exploit and marginalize us. White men are persona non grata in the nation built by their forbears. This will continue as long this Jewish controlled monstrosity of a system continues to draw breath.

    And does anyone honestly believe that the girly men Republican satraps in red states will lead or be supportive of a secessionist movement – especially one based on race? Think again. Any secessionist movement must come from below since we can’t count on the e careerists and cowards of the Republican party.

  31. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 14, 2012 - 6:31 pm | Permalink

    @chad johnson:
    I welcome you, Chad. I’m sorry, you have not found us at our best nor, alas, at our worst. You are certainly right that Muslims do pose a threat to Christendom and have for centuries. Never the less, today they also have just reason to object to our unending interference in their affairs. We do mettle to their detriment.

    You are also right that the tone here is too often needlessly coarse and ugly at worst. We break accepted social taboos at best. For myself, I do this because I owe a greater obligation to the truth, as I have come to learn it, that to social pleasentries. I certainly accept that this presents a real challange to unity. In my opinon this is an unavoidable consequence of the problems we face.

    The SPLC, who pretend to be against hate and defamation, have been very successful in labeling all disagreement with the official truth as hate. I do not hate anyone. I do not want to wipe anybody off the face of the earth, I do not want to kill all Jews. I simply want to live among my own people, free from the influence of Jews, which is grossly out of proportion to their numbers in our country.

    I have known and liked Jews. I have also accepted that we have irreconcilable differences. It is time to part ways.

  32. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    November 14, 2012 - 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Chad, if you come as a friend, and WN, you are welcome here. We do have some rigorous debates, and you will find Pierre to be a very wise man, and this site benefits greatly from his presence. He and I don’t agree on everything, but he is so intelligent and communicates so well I am willing to question my position when it conflicts with his.
    Plus, the poor gentleman is stuck in Hymietown, so he can’t help but be a little bit cranky from time to time when he hears ill informed bluster.

  33. chad johnson's Gravatar chad johnson
    November 14, 2012 - 6:20 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    My point is that muslims have desired to kill Christians or enslave them longer than any jewish cabal. I do not think I am spreading misinformation I think I am trying to make a point that Whites need to unify. Unification under the banner of antisemitism is not going to work is all I am saying. But once we are unified if you guys are right, and I am not saying that you are not, we would be in a better position to defend ourselves than we are now certainly. I hate that I am being seen as a bad guy here on this site. I realize that some of you are rigid on the issue of jews but all I am really saying is that I think it is a losing position around which to unify Whites. But again, I dont want to be a lighting rod and I have already been called everything from a rube to a spy or something to that effect. Perhaps I should just continue to read KM and not comment on here anymore. I was just pointing out what I see and believe. I didn’t mean to attack you or anyone else Vlad.

  34. Henry's Gravatar Henry
    November 14, 2012 - 6:11 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Quite so, Pierre de Craon.

    I wonder if the Israeli emissary ever told Johnson (LBJ not Chad) why the Jews attacked the USS Liberty in a deadly combined air and sea attack: killing 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), and wounding171 crew members

    Perhaps Chad (not LBJ) could bring us up-to-date on the reasons behind that more recent issue?

  35. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 14, 2012 - 5:15 pm | Permalink

    @chad johnson: Jefferson died 186 years ago. Please work at making your LOLs a little bit more current.

    You are spreading misinformation, and you are spreading it culpably. If it’s foolish to point that out, yes, I am a fool.

  36. STARSCREAM's Gravatar STARSCREAM
    November 14, 2012 - 3:36 pm | Permalink

    @Bobzilla:
    Right on…One doesn’t have to incorporate Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” to make a change in this country. THROWING out your TV is definitely the first place to start.

  37. chad johnson's Gravatar chad johnson
    November 14, 2012 - 1:14 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    lol, I suppose when the Arab emmissary told Jefferson in Paris that the reason the attacked American ships was because the Koran told them too, that was international jewry at work? I come here and read KM because I like him and a lot of what he is saying, just not that part. So obviously I am not a believer like you, does that mean I am unwelcome? I am a WN. Is antisemitism a requirement here? All of your little remarks that attempt to belittle me only serve to make you look foolish and childish. If I am not welcome here as a dissenting voice, I will go. I didn’t come here out of spite, I came here because we share a common denominator.

  38. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 14, 2012 - 10:15 am | Permalink

    @fnn: Auster is a jew and I read this as a sign that he and his fellow jews have started to realize that they’ve destroyed the United States and that their 2-3% numbers, no matter how much ill-gotten wealth they may have and no matter how much political power they’ve managed to hijack – they will not be able to stop the freight train of White Nationalist thinking.

    So, look for ‘jews’ like Auster and others to start increasing their attempts to (a) infiltrate and take over as many pro-White organizations and movements as possible, and (b) Start writing articles and giving speeches that try to insinuate that they really do have more in common with White European people and that our traditions and values are really closer in sync with their jewish traditions and values, and therefore a White Ethnostate really should include jews, too.

    Remember, folks. These jews have not survived for thousands of years while being hated and despised by every non-jewish race of humans they’ve come in contact with – without being able to turn on a dime, when they sense the winds are shifting against them.

  39. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 14, 2012 - 9:47 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Here is a word of extreme caution, regarding this new fad of signing petitions which advocate secession.

    “Aren’t most white conservatives more likely to start thinking about secession before they turn to white identity politics?”

    We cannot allow that to happen. Secession that includes the presence of non-whites inside the states that secede will only delay the white genocide planners for a short time, because differential breeding rates between Whites and non-whites will still result in the non-whites eventually increasing their percentage of the population within the seceded states to a point where they will outnumber the Whites. Plus, the issue of race hustling, minority crime and minority parasitism will continue to exist and thrive – and the same gutless whites who pandered to minorities by forcing their fellow Whites to subsidize the endless social entitlement programs and hand-outs in hopes of bribing minorities to behave will repeat this process all over again, inside the seceded states. Whites will continue to be forced to pay taxes that will subsidize the irresponsible and highly prolific breeding habits of their racial competitors.

    So, no – we must forget this idea of secession unless it also includes the creation of an exclusively White Ethnostate. Solve all our problems at the same time, folks. Do NOT let our enemies talk us into cutting a deal that will be still spell a death sentence for White European people.

    Also, I saw one comment by what appeared to be a very savvy individual that posed the idea that these sudden secession initiatives might not be coming from the grass roots. In other words, exactly like the phony tea party movement, exactly like the phony occupy wall street movement – here we go again. Another mysterious movement springs up almost out of nowhere?

    Consider this and ask yourself if it doesn’t look suspicious: Iowa is 98% race treasonous White, and the state went for Obama – and less than a week after the election, they have a petition to secede from their very own preferred ObamaNation? Something smells funny here, folks.

    But, getting back to the savvy comment I saw – everyone is aware of our evil ruling elites desire to destroy America and to create this NWO entity called the ‘North American Union’, right? Could these secessionist initiatives be somehow related to achieving that goal in a piece meal fashion? Break up the nation, pretending that the people are getting what they demanded – but, then, create this big umbrella organization of bureaucrats (who will be jews) that will be super-imposed over the top of the various disconnected ‘states’ or ‘regions’ and we’ll be told that this organization is needed in order to manage things like trade, economics, disputes between the states or regions, etc. What its real purpose will be is to impose EU-style Soviet tyranny upon all of the regions by ‘synchronizing’ our laws and regulations and our……..immigration policies…….which is precisely what the Communists who run the EU are doing and which is helping them to destroy every historic White European nation in Europe.

    Buyer beware. Remember: Secession that does not include an exclusively White Ethnostate is a Semitic trap. Let’s not fall into it.

  40. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 14, 2012 - 9:19 am | Permalink

    @Truth: Wrong, pal.

    You are confusing White Nationalists with these mentally insane, Israel toe sucking, despicable White ‘Christian Zionists’ and these equally despicable whites who embrace jewish neo-conservatism and endless, criminal wars of aggression against the entire Muslim world and the on-going mistreatment of the Palestinians by the demonic jews in Israel.

    Are you in some way connected to Mark Glenn of the Ugly Truth Podcast? He, his disinfo agent sidekick, Keith Johnson, some weak kneed, supposed Canadian ‘White Nationalist’ named Max, and even Mike Piper and Mark Dankof have been pushing very similar garbage as what you are promoting today with your comment.

    Glenn and Johnson will constantly attempt to lump White Nationalists into the same sewer that Christian Zionists and White neocons swim in, simply because we share the same color of skin as do the other two groups. Their whole idea can be summed up as being as follows:

    1. White Nationalists must forget about their own survival here in America, or at a minimum, relegate it to a lower priority, and instead make their #1 priority being concerned about the plight of the poor Palestinians and Muslims. Oh, and make sure you keep sending those checks and money orders to Mark Glenn to help him with his podcast show network expenses and also to help him feed his 9 or 10 kids.

    2. White Nationalists here in the USA must give the jewish controlled DHS their ultimate wet dream by openly allying themselves with the heavily demonized “Muslims”, because Muslims are also fighting the jews and are therefore (in the mind of Glenn & Co.) our natural allies. The fact that any such alliance would be equivalent to installing a magnet to the hind parts of every White Nationalist leader or grass roots member that would be specifically programmed via GPS to attract DHS issued predator drone missiles is an minor detail that Glenn and his cabal seem to think isn’t important enough to mention.

    So, while I and probably most other White Nationalists have sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians – our priorities, as White Nationalists, is to focus on our survival and not on the survival of the Palestinians.

    Thus, do us all a big favor and stop trying to throw White Nationalists into the same pile with Christian Zionist nutcases and blood-thirsty neo-cons.

  41. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 14, 2012 - 8:05 am | Permalink

    @Qwerty:
    Thank you for the link to FP’s article. While I am saddened by the low level and slanderous tone, I cannot help being heartened. Clearly, Dr. Mac Donald is gaining in influence or he would not be a worthy target.

  42. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 14, 2012 - 1:41 am | Permalink

    @fashimble: Some people tried that before. We call them Turks today.

  43. fashimble's Gravatar fashimble
    November 14, 2012 - 1:21 am | Permalink

    Imagine our power if we all became muslims ovenight!!
    BAM!!…and continued to secretely practice our beautiful european traditions, while inculcating our cildren on a daily basis hoe our enemies despise us, persecute us, and seek our destruction.

  44. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 14, 2012 - 12:58 am | Permalink

    As of now, there are 7 states that have reached the threshold of 25,000+ votes asking to secede. Texas is headed for 100,000. I think this is an gauge of dissatisfaction with the current system among Whites. You don’t log onto the White House website and say you want to secede without fairly strong feelings.

  45. Bobzilla's Gravatar Bobzilla
    November 13, 2012 - 11:48 pm | Permalink

    A bit late to the (comment) party, but here’s one idea… There are not too many truly revolutionary acts you can perform these days AND be within the bounds of the law but there is at least one you can and it would be effective. That act is to throw your T.V. out. Or, at least quit subscribing to cable and satellite and instead just watch DVDs. If White males threw out their T.V.’s and quit watching NFL, NBA, MLB it would drive those institutions out of business overnight.

  46. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    November 13, 2012 - 10:19 pm | Permalink

    @chad johnson: Chad, at least you aren’t telling me that jews are “God’s chosen people,” because then I would have to quote John 14:6.
    “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

  47. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 13, 2012 - 9:54 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:
    Ward Kendall, yes, obviously people may move to Alaska and vote in a new state government, that is not a secession from the US. You’ve been calling it secession, hence my objection. Migration from mud-controlled states will and should happen, no objection to that.

  48. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 13, 2012 - 8:38 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza: At least in Switzerland there is a popular and serious move to introduce a parallel currency to compete with the CHF.
    http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-07-08/investing/30680325_1_gold-content-precious-metal-gold-and-silver-coins

  49. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    November 13, 2012 - 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Jews’ successful tribal existence in the Diaspora hold countless examples of potential strategies that can be implemented right now by our people, without the nasty Jewish hate-religion or any imitation to bind us, and without their level of shameless exploitation a la what Duke calls “jewish supremacism.” For those of you who havent read books one and two of Kevin’s trilogy, boy you really should.

    I dont believe we should ape Jews and their “supremacism” but there is a healthy ethnocentrism that we have lost and that we can successfully promote among whites no matter who wins the fake elections.

    THAT is the basic strategy we can be pursuing with our own disparate and disorganized little efforts: to build white gentile self idenification and to talk about how we as white gentiles can pursue our own group interests — at the same time we insist that our group interests are legitiimate and that others take our own consideration of and advocacy for our group interests seriously.

    A very vague and basic strategy but one that is wide enough to “let a thousand flowers bloom.”

    Time and success will show what efforts are worth further support and coordination and what small group activities can meld into bigger. Look and see how this very page has flourished for example. And this page has a lot of ongoing contact to other worthy endeavors.

    One thing I want to say though, is that if you are out there explicitly promoting as a real strategy, what whites have come to call “terror”– it’s going to de-legitimate our efforts. In other words, fiction is one thing and reality is another. Promoting separatist fantasy violence is counterproductive teenager orientated videogame mentality thinking. Get real. TD is a novel. HAC’s fiction is his explicitly advocated plan. I really object that it’s tolerated as a subject of discussion. IRA style crap in the USA is not NOT a good thing to be discussing with ANYBODY.

    let me give some a simple rule that careful people follow in life. If someone you do not know approaches you with any kind of plan that involves clearly illegal activity, DO NOT ENGAGE. DONT TALK TO THEM. AND ASSUME THEY ARE A PROVOCATEUR. THAT MEANS SOMEONE BEING PAID TO MISLEAD AND ENTRAP YOU. GO THE OTHER DIRECTION.

    It would be good if the most obvious provocateur who keeps on popping up each time the word “secession” was mentioned would be marginalized and flatly excluded as the bad influence that he really is.

  50. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    November 13, 2012 - 4:32 pm | Permalink

    The final battle is over the money monopolies. This affects others than Whites.

    Even with secession, if “they” control the printing press, and somehow make us use their system, we are still completely scrood.

  51. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 13, 2012 - 4:11 pm | Permalink

    @Qwerty: This is distressing stuff. Do you—or does anyone else reading this—know anything about Berger, its author? He doesn’t look Chosen, but if he’s not—though I hope he is!—he’s clearly a dedicated and probably delusional “antifascist” type of white traitor.

  52. fnn's Gravatar fnn
    November 13, 2012 - 4:06 pm | Permalink

    @fnn:

    Oh, and I talked to Lyndon La Rouche once back in the 1970s when he was still a quasi-Trotskyist. He told me that “the workers” always liked the economics articles in his newspaper the best. Dave Goldman (now the famed “Spengler” of Asia Times) was his chief economics writer at that time.

  53. fnn's Gravatar fnn
    November 13, 2012 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

    @Anty Ep:

    It is a HUGE part of their platform. Buchanan called it “economic nationalism.” Whatever the label, understand that white people with families and kids need to worry about MONEY and BILLS and not just some phony election results nor the the grand utopian schemes that so easily attract wild imaginations.

    True. I’ve left comments to that effect over at the A3P website. May be telling that the old British National Front had a rule of always putting “bread and butter” issues on the front page of the party newspaper.

  54. Henry's Gravatar Henry
    November 13, 2012 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

    @chad johnson:

    Chad, If you won’t take it from the ladies and gentlemen here then take it straight from the mouth of a rabbi:

    From ynet news:

    ”Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should ‘rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.’ He praises Islam for promoting modesty, respect for God ”

    Source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4299673,00.html

    Chad, It seems that we, the White people, are the ‘chosen’ ones after all….chosen for extinction according to the Jews.

  55. fnn's Gravatar fnn
    November 13, 2012 - 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Even arch-Zionist Larry Auster is starting to sound like a secessionist:
    http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2012/11/going-solzhenitsyn/

    In short, the age of the dissident is past. It is now time to look to build a new society or new societies, perhaps within the existing territory of the U.S., but not part of the U.S.

    I have always been patriotic. I have always loved the United States. I have always rejected calls to secede. I have always said that no matter how bad things were, we should not give up the hope, as small as it was, that we could reverse the liberal, nihilist, and racial transformation of America and bring back the real America. I used to suggest scenarios of how that could happen. I always made a point of ending my blog articles, no matter how negative the subject matter, with the reminder that the course of things could be turned around.

    But a year ago there was a change in my thought, and I began to think that it is not possible for liberalism to be rejected, short of the destruction of the United States itself. The presidential election has now crystalized that view into the view that the U.S. is gone and cannot be saved.

    As long as you reject the current regime, but think that a traditional society can be restored, you are a Solzhenitsyn-type dissident. It is now too late to be a dissident, because the United States is so far gone that it cannot be saved.

  56. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    November 13, 2012 - 3:31 pm | Permalink

    RE: THOSE ON-LINE PETITIONS TO THE WHITE HOUSE

    N.B. The fifty states are all sovereign entities. One’s departure from the Union would neither require nor entail the creation of a “NEW government.” That state’s government would still be its legal government, acting under the legal authority of its underlying state constitution. To create a new government, the citizens of such a state either would have to avail themselves of whatever such mechanism was laid out in its own constitution, or else violently to overthrow the state government, altogether, once it had successfully seceded from the Union.

  57. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    November 13, 2012 - 2:58 pm | Permalink

    I would also add that separatism, is long term unfeasible, even though I like these separatist petitions and so forth, which I think are embarassing to the powers that be.

    Just dont think for a second that tomfoolery like the socalled NW migration is a serious alternative. It isnt. not now nor in the next 50 years, minimum. This essay explains it http://www.toqonline.com/blog/secession-is-a-bad-idea/

    I do think that 50-100 years off the situation may have changed a la Chittum’s speculations in CW2 but the question is more how do we keep our backsides out of the sling in the next ten years, how do we avoid further impoverishment and disunity and social and cultural degradation, not what is possible 50 years from now. If you cant survive 10, if you can support white family formation, if you can support or fund small organizational competence and accomplishments, all that are humbler yet more important tasks than wild fantasies of rebellion that won’t materialize.

  58. November 13, 2012 - 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Starera: “No, the idea of a peaceful retreat to an enclave is a pipedream, you have never explained why a mud-ruled America would allow a white enclave to exist, it would be overrun and looted. There is no easy way out, it will be a fight to keep the country or perish.”

    Let me outline it again:

    1 – There is a difference between secession and what I’ll call The Alaska Plan, for want of a better term. Should a US state secede, it will assume a new status. That new status will make of it a foreign country. For the record, the current secessionist petitions on the Internet are fun to watch, but I do not believe for a moment the US government will allow Texas, for instance, to withdraw from the Union. Even with a million signatures. Even with 15 million signatures. It will not happen because the loss of Texas would result in a financial blow of billions of dollars to the Federal government. Should Texans ever attempt physical force to secede, the US military will immediately decapitate such a movement with key airstrikes against Texas airbases, communication centers, etc, just as they did against Iraq. It’ll be over in a heartbeat, and those leading such a Texas secessionist movement will be sentenced to life sentences, if not subjected to the death penalty itself.

    2 – Now, there is nothing illegal about starting a pro-white political party. The American Third Position party is one example. There is nothing illegal about such a pro-white party running a candidate for governor of Alaska. There is nothing illegal about Alaskan voters voting to elect such a pro-white candidate to govern the state of Alaska. There is nothing illegal for such a pro-white candidate, should he win the governorship of Alaska to implement his political ideas while simultaneously working to reverse and/or eliminate all previous Democrat & Republican laws that are not pro-white favorable. Finally, there is nothing illegal about such a pro-white party, once it’s legally seized the governorship of Alaska, in working towards preventing any anti-white political party from ever holding political office again. So when you say that “a mud-ruled America would (never) allow a white enclave to exist”, there is nothing they could do to stop it, unless all rule of law simply vanished in America. If that should happen, then what you’re describing is a zombie apocalypse, and all bets are off.

    3 – The Alaska Plan was simply submitted to illustrate that a highly organized white nationalist political party could legally seize control of a gigantic, resource-rich territory using only the ballot box. All that is necessary is the will to do so, and sufficient numbers of pro-white voters to make it happen. Could we do it? Could we get 250,000 pro-white voters to move to Alaska and vote their party into power? My answer to that is: Not thousand, but millions of Mexicans have moved over the US border and have effectively voted their way into power.

    So, if they did it, why couldn’t we?

    Here’s a link to the CALIFORNIA Secession Vote:
    Sign Sovereign WN State Petition
    Hold Back This Day
    The Towers of Eden

  59. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    November 13, 2012 - 2:49 pm | Permalink

    The election is only big bad news if you think that elections are for real. I thought readers here understood that both parties are more or less the same; the banks control both parties, the banks are run by Jews and their allies, and hence Jews control the US elections. Didnt some israeli say this? “Dont worry about America.”

    I didnt lose a minute worrying about the stupid republican fake resistance. Its a charade to create the impression of something besides a plutocratic oligarchy disporportionately made up of Jews which is the real power in America. You would think that this audience understood this but I guess not.

    It is in fact a better outcome than if the white looking Romney plutocrat Israeli sycophant were in charge. Lets destroy the false idea that the republicans serve white interests, They dont. Thats why so many whites actually voted for socialist Barry Soetero. They want socialism over unbridled banker plutocracy. They want socialized medicine because they think they will be gouged LESS by bureaucrats working for the government then they would be by the current business wonks that run hospitals.

    They dont care about Mexicans and Mexicans dont control squat. neither do blacks and Obama doesnt do much for blacks anyways. His racial spoils system is exagerrated — for the benefit of scaring whites into voting Repub, and encouraging blacks that there’ s a bigger bandwagon ride avaialable than there really is.

    Here is why so many whites voted for Obama: they hate banks and global business and he is the less pro banking pro global business candidate; and they hate war and he is still the less prowar candidate.

    But that is a fraud too, obviously Axelrod and the other tribals control Obama too; obviously the banks are the biggest donors to democrats just like republicans. So lets not waste a lot of time on the fake election results. THey are a fraud. lets instead consider focusing on some humbler and more attainable results closer to home, more within reach. How to straighten our own balance sheets, build our own families, keep on extending existing competencies and develop new ones; build resources flows and organizations to promote white-gentile self identification and white-gentile legitimate interests.

    Now, if you want to sign up some white people into WN that havent been in it before, quit wasting time on something that isnt going to gin up interest and spend some effort talking about something that matters like how to reign in big global business and banking vampire bloodsuckers. Again consider how NS appealed to the interests of the folk. Go take a look and see what Chryssi Avgi says about economic matters. It is a HUGE part of their platform. Buchanan called it “economic nationalism.” Whatever the label, understand that white people with families and kids need to worry about MONEY and BILLS and not just some phony election results nor the the grand utopian schemes that so easily attract wild imaginations.

  60. fnn's Gravatar fnn
    November 13, 2012 - 2:45 pm | Permalink

    The South is the only part of the US where a large part of the White population continues to hold to an identity other than “American.” The latter term is now obsolete except for bureaucratic purposes. The South-despite the obvious problems-is the only place for a secession movement to begin because you can’t just invent a sense of peoplehood. Since White Americans outside the South no longer have any sense of peoplehood the sane ones would have to become neo-Copperheads. It’s true that are some strong pockets of Italian-American, Franco-American and Irish-American identity in the NE-but, in the main, it has largely been reduced to T-shirt and baseball cap kitsch. If there were something serious going on with these groups we’d see some Hollywood Jewish hatred directed at them.

    WK’s Alaska idea is even nuttier than it sounds. Aside from the logistical and employment and housing problems, the “Native Corporations” (Whites there are afraid to call them “tribes”) are very powerful and would never allow secession.

    • November 13, 2012 - 4:16 pm | Permalink

      fnn said: “WK’s Alaska idea is even nuttier than it sounds. Aside from the logistical and employment and housing problems, the “Native Corporations” (Whites there are afraid to call them “tribes”) are very powerful and would never allow secession.”

      You should take a moment to examine your reasoning:

      1 – Firstly, you speak of “logistical and employment and housing problems” without asking yourself how it was that 30 million Mexicans overcame all three of your objections, and did so quite successfully. I think every reasoning individual would be compelled to question your “certainty” that a migration of whites less than 1/100 in size when compared to America’s invading brown-skinned illegals could not overcome what they did. How do you account for that, fnn?

      2 – When you state that “the Native Corporations are very powerful and would never allow secession” that may well be true. But, again, I’ve not been suggesting that Alaska defy the United States government and declare itself an independent country. Perhaps you didn’t read that part. To reiterate, I’m merely suggesting that Alaska could legally vote a pro-white individual into the governorship, provided a sufficient pro-white body of voters existed, and take control of the state. Once again, fnn, I’m taking about legally voting a white nationalist individual into the Alaska governorship – and not secession. And, for yet a third time: a sufficient body of pro-white voters could vote a white nationalist candidate into power, and seize control of the state of Alaska. Nowhere in that statement is there any mention about secession, “nutty” or otherwise. Now, I’ve stated it three times, and trust you have absorbed it. If not, I’m patient, and will repeat it for you yet a fourth time, if you have not understood.

      Just let me know.

      Here’s a link to the CALIFORNIA Secession Vote:
      Sign Sovereign WN State Petition
      Hold Back This Day
      The Towers of Eden

    • November 13, 2012 - 4:20 pm | Permalink

      Paul Hausser said: “We need a Nationalist Third Party. Not necessarily a White only Nationalist Party. But a Nationalist one nonetheless. 95% of members would be White I am sure.”

      Here’s what you’ve been looking for: American Third Position Party

      Here’s a link to the CALIFORNIA Secession Vote:
      Sign Sovereign WN State Petition
      Hold Back This Day
      The Towers of Eden

  61. Qwerty's Gravatar Qwerty
    November 13, 2012 - 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Have you seen this article?

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/11/12/the_awakening

    Look at how they use their power of the media to try and get someone fired.

    Kevin MacDonald, a professor of psychology whose anti-Semitic writings make him a favorite of Neo-Nazis, penned a pro-secession piece for a prominent white identity site, The Occidental Observer, that might finally get him fired from California State University, where he inexplicably still works.

    They then link to http://www.csulb.edu/ in what i suspect is an attempt to implicitly ask their readers to send messages to the university demanding that Dr. Kevin MacDonald get fired.

  62. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 13, 2012 - 1:49 pm | Permalink

    @chad johnson:

    Sir: How can you have spent more than an hour reading articles and comments at this site without having come to realize that it is as plain as day that there would be no Mohammedan problem were it not for the rich, powerful, white-hating, and Christophobic Jews who are that problem’s fabricators?

    International Jewry is the author of the ongoing attempt to wipe from the face of the earth the Christian religion, Western civilization and culture, and—to the extent that they will not consent to perpetual enslavement—all the white men and women on the planet. Islam and its adherents merely constitute one of that entity’s weapons. Not necessarily its most potent, either.

    You have been called upon to be as wise, as cunning, as the serpent. You have, however, not been instructed to provide the serpent with food and drink and a cradle-to-grave social welfare program. Your faux-sincere talk of unity while you actively sow distrust and disunity do nothing to bolster confidence in your judgment—and much else besides your judgment.

    Don’t you know all of this already? Are you perhaps yet another person here to distract everyone else from the main item on the agenda: white survival? Are you one more pitiable fool working covertly, with or without recompense, for Foxman et al.? Heaven help you if you are.

  63. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    November 13, 2012 - 1:41 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I agree but your starting from ground zero with secessionism. At least libertarianism has a head start thanks to Ron Paul. European whites view him as the best show in town.

  64. chad johnson's Gravatar chad johnson
    November 13, 2012 - 1:30 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    All of the Southern states are easily going to make the petition requirements…Basically proving my point.

  65. chad johnson's Gravatar chad johnson
    November 13, 2012 - 12:05 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    The muslims have as a stated goal to either kill or subject all Christians to Islamic law. What I find odd is that you guys work so hard to find this kind of thinking among Jews, but ignore it when it clear and right in front of your face with muslims. This is what I am talking about with the whole fixation on Jews, it is unhealthy and unnatural. Maybe there is some big secret Jewish cabal to take down the Whites, but again we could deal with it better if we were united and then made aware. but you wont unite us under this anti-Semitic banner. Also I think comparing Israel to the muslim nations surrounding it is the worst kind of moral relativism and what liberals do, not critically thinking people.

  66. STARSCREAM's Gravatar STARSCREAM
    November 13, 2012 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    @Paul Hausser:
    Wouldn’t a clearer and easier path be to collectively petition for ethnic representation? We’re the only tribe that doesn’t have it giving us the moral highground in any debate. The only counter argument would be the numbers game of majority/minority but with our pending minority status, even this line of reasoning deconstructs itself. This logic works (within) the system rather than out.

  67. Paul Hausser's Gravatar Paul Hausser
    November 13, 2012 - 10:37 am | Permalink

    We need a Nationalist Third Party. Not necessarily a White only Nationalist Party. But a Nationalist one nonetheless. 95% of members would be White I am sure.

  68. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 13, 2012 - 9:02 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: I agree with everything in this comment of yours. How indeed could one do otherwise?

    Ever since I discovered this site four years ago, people have been making much the same point, in one form or another, that you just did. Sometimes what they write has been short and to the point; sometimes it’s been extended with examples, documentation, and links. Sometimes it’s been eloquently put; sometimes it’s been grammatically mangled. Only seldom have the facts not been evident and the warning unclear, however.

    You’d think, wouldn’t you, that by this time the plain truth of your words and of the roughly equivalent words of a hundred or so other writers and commenters would have sunk in. Yet they haven’t—at least, not to a sufficient extent.

    At times I think that the enemy’s propaganda, whether subtle or blatant, must have so overwhelming an impact on our fellows that the sheer force of his hatred is unmaskable only by fits and starts. At other times I despairingly think that our fellows are either thick as a board or so in love with their chains that nothing short of a cognitive version of Hurricane Sandy will ever get them to stir their pins.

    They needn’t even, at least at first, contemplate retaliation against the Tribe. They simply have to start saying no to them and to everything they control. But will they? Ever?

  69. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 13, 2012 - 6:56 am | Permalink

    @buckle:
    May I suggest that secession may not be the answer, but it serves to change the conversation and make it clear that many have had enough? It may also serve as a means to bring the libertarian message forward. If we demand a return to state rather than federal rule it is a step in the right direction. It is time to start making some trouble and noise.

  70. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 13, 2012 - 6:49 am | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    You have a great point. I attribute the problem, in part, to the boomers being the first generation reared with a TV in the house. The consequences are even more dire then exhaustion. While women can often do an adequate job in many modern jobs we also interfere with, and are confused by, male patterns of interaction. More to the point, however, is that no one has really picked up the slack in the tasks that women abandoned. The resulting social decay and degradation is all around us. We all pretend that the problem is due to anything other than the obvious. From abuse in day care to abuse of the elderly in nursing homes women have refused to take responsibility for delegating our most sacred obligations to people who have no reason to take on this admittedly difficult tasks. I cared for my own babies and parents not only because I loved them, but because even loving them I was sometimes driven to exasperation. Why assume that a stranger would have more patience? It is just silly.

  71. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 13, 2012 - 6:37 am | Permalink

    @uh:
    Please correct that to school mistress. I took the job on when It became clear how many of you are confused on something as basic as gender. It may account for the fact that we are not reproducing at replacement levels.

  72. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 13, 2012 - 4:40 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    So by implication (if I’m reading things right) we are going to have to reverse the power-situation….in this society…in every key dimension that the hostile elite hold power.

    The dimensions of conflict are always defined by the dimensions of power of the incumbent. This is just a truism..it’s always been true. To the extent the incumbent is powerful, other causal influences, ‘technological and communications’ , ‘climate’ ,’the mexicans’, ‘the blacks’, are already exploited and represented into the dimensionality of incumbent power.
    In human affairs power is a relative measure, so the power of the incumbent is determined by the power of the insurgent. To the extent the incumbent is powerful the insurgent is weak. To the extnt the insurgent is weak, then the ‘shape’ of its challenge, of what it has to accomplish to prevail, is defined by the ‘shape’ of the power of the incumbent.

    This is just a truism. If the incumbent is powerful because it occupies the government building, the courthouse and the radiostation, then clearly whatever strategy the insurgent deploys, success will ultimately depend on occupying those objects. It’s no different in this situation. It’s just that the many of the objects in this case are more abstract. The dimensions of incumbent power are immense…..we’re currently nailed the floor.
    This isn’t defeatist. Truly realizing and facing up to the true scale of the challenge is an incredibly hopeful milestone. People like KM, yourself, and others…over a few decades managed to create the ideas, the knowledge, the books, the ideologies, the venues, to make reaching that milestone a possibility. Just understanding this situation has been a huge mountain to climb. It wouldn’t have happened on its own. And if all that hadn’t been done by now, then it would be too late for us, for sure.

  73. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 13, 2012 - 4:17 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Sorry that doesn’t scan too well. Basicaly I’m saying all of that will still need to happen first or in parallel.

  74. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 13, 2012 - 4:15 am | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    Ward – I’ve been interested in your idea…you’re right IMHO there are advantages over continental options. Alaska may be the ‘where’ component of the solution.
    But the only way it would be bloodless would be if that White group had the social, economic and military power to have (a) become a large scale, financially wealthy, politically influential, explicitly White and culturally Christian (culturally, not actually). Which would mean being able to defend itself socially and in media from the hostility of the elite. Which means being able to define itself and that elite as effectively as that elite itself.
    What I’m saying is correct TO THE EXTENT it is correct that we are up against an organized, powerful, conscious and intentionally lethal group. Because if we are, and to the extent we are, any plan or any hope, that events will conspire all by themselves to save us, is folly. They won’t be taking their eye off the ball, and a free Alaska would be seen – and would be – a major existential threat at the global level. They know what they’ve done.

  75. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 13, 2012 - 3:42 am | Permalink

    Ward Kendall @http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/11/disenfranchised-white-males-time-for-secession/#comment-106135

    Yes, it is even sillier for SA’s to think that they can safely isolate themselves than it is for Americans. They bought the jew bullshit and they’ll die with it or get out of the country while they still can. They were on the right track with their nuke program, a few nukes and they could have kept their country.

    chad@http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/11/disenfranchised-white-males-time-for-secession/#comment-106158

    Yes, the idea that muslims are allies is nonsense, we have no allies.

    Ward Kendall@http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/11/disenfranchised-white-males-time-for-secession/#comment-106286

    No, the idea of a peaceful retreat to an enclave is a pipedream, you have never explained why a mud-ruled America would allow a white enclave to exist, it would be overrun and looted. There is no easy way out, it will be a fight to keep the country or perish.

    Jason@http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/11/disenfranchised-white-males-time-for-secession/#comment-106282

    Sure thing, just sign a petition, why didn’t the South think of that before? Be sure to send your picture along with your signature on that petition, it will make it easier for the feds to find you.

  76. November 13, 2012 - 2:55 am | Permalink

    @bluegrass: The word deracinated has nothing to do with race. It comes from the noun racina, Latin for root. A person who leaves the farm to become an urban factory-worker, or moves far away from his relatives and familiar surroundings to live in the Northwest, is deracinated.

  77. Homo Homini Lupus's Gravatar Homo Homini Lupus
    November 13, 2012 - 1:52 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas…sorry Mary, but the jews have no use for us. They will continue to use our young men and women for their porno industry, but other than that, they have no use for us whatsoever. The only thing they have for whites is a colossal hatred and contempt. And they will continue to thrive when we are gone.

  78. torgrim's Gravatar torgrim
    November 13, 2012 - 1:10 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: “The cat is out of the bag now, and if they had any sense at all, they’d back off and allow us to repair the society….” That’s just it,… they have no sense,… power, greed and domination have no common sense. It’s like a hound dog chasing a bear cub, the blood of the cub is about to be tasted, when around a corner there is a 600 pound she bear. This is what these crazies are gambling with, and hell will be served at breakfast!

  79. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    November 13, 2012 - 12:55 am | Permalink

    @90404:
    This is the typical boycott tactic Jews often use to impose their will on unwilling goyim, in this case to enforce moral degeneration on them. You can be sure the Tribe is behind this. They don’t tolerate one single institution to remain healthy.

  80. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 13, 2012 - 12:33 am | Permalink

    Not entirely off topic:
    Disenfranchised White Males:
    THE GAYING OF AMERICA
    UPS stops Boy Scout funding over anti-‘gay’ policy
    ‘We promote an environment of diversity and inclusion’
    Published: 42 mins ago

    (CBSNEWS) — The philanthropic arm of shipping giant UPS said it will no longer give money to the Boy Scouts of America as long as the group discriminates against gays, the second major corporation to recently strip funding from the scouts.

    The UPS Foundation made the change Thursday after an online petition protesting its annual grants to the Boy Scouts attracted more than 80,000 signatures. UPS, based in Atlanta, follows computer chip maker Intel in withdrawing corporate support for the Boy Scouts.

    The UPS Foundation gave more than $85,000 to the Boy Scouts in 2011, according to its federal tax return

  81. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 13, 2012 - 12:20 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Wow, the Texas Secession petition is now number one on the White House list with 56,000 votes – and this was just in 3 days. It seems to be blowing up. Louisiana also got the 25,000 signatures to necessary to get a response.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions/popular/0/2/0/

  82. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    November 13, 2012 - 12:06 am | Permalink

    @chad johnson: Chad, as a man of the south and a Christian, I feel compelled to answer you. Not all of us feel a special love for the jews over the muslims. Both reject Jesus as Savior, so neither is beloved by God. We should be neutral on the matter – God knows (so to speak, he also called the jews, “a stiff necked people”) the Muslims are hard to like, but why make enemies of one billion of them in favor of 12 million ungrateful jews who mock us while we die on their behalf?

  83. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 12, 2012 - 10:16 pm | Permalink

    @vlad writes: Thanks to you, and to Alice too, for inviting me along in flight from America’s soon-to-come secular version of the end-times.

    I’m very fond of squash—summer and winter varieties both. Acorn squash are my special favorites. I like them best baked whole, like Idaho potatoes, and cleaned of their seeds only when removed from the oven. A lady friend of mine has taken to cutting up raw butternut squash in the manner and shape of french fries, then seasoning them and roasting them in an olive-oiled pan, as if they were cut-up new potatoes. Scrumptious.

  84. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 12, 2012 - 10:03 pm | Permalink

    @Luke:

    Pierre is … bubble headed, egotistical, narcissistic …

    Who knows? I’ve been called worse by real men; men who wouldn’t deign to spit on the best part of such a jumped-up little weasel as you.

    Pierre is … liberal.

    Now that is a bit annoying, and it’s the second time you’ve written it. If you mattered, I’d insist that you cite evidence in support of that slander. Why bother, though? You won’t because you can’t. You don’t comprehend the meaning of the term. Read Joseph de Maistre to learn what a liberal is.

    What truly gets your goat is that I see through you. Lots of other people do, too, actually. They are just too well bred to say so. Or maybe it’s that they are simply less bubble-headed, egotistical, and narcissistic than yours truly.

    Have a good fantasy life.

  85. Professor Watson's Gravatar Professor Watson
    November 12, 2012 - 10:01 pm | Permalink

    According to Pastor Manning, White people won’t take it anymore.
    Newsalert White Folks Will Riot Pastor Manning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut-UPttf-dg

  86. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 12, 2012 - 9:21 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    :Only powerful groups have it in their gift to secede, and power in human affairs is always a relative quantity. Americans would have a vastly greater mountain to climb than South Africans. Without first cultivating sufficient power to reshape the cultural landscape, Americans would have to secede under the noses of sophisticated, organized and suspicious hostile elites, and then they would have to defeat a military super power composed of other Whites sufficiently conditioned to be willing to fight and kill the secessionists and think of them as evil n*z**s. Which stone ediface also defines the amount of power Americans would need to get.

    South Africans…the main reason they may be incapable of seceding is psychological in that it could be they are now a broken people. Americans and Europeans can only imagine what they have endured. And imagine it we do…and makes us shudder it does.
    But in practical terms, on paper as it were, accomplishing secession is more than plausible for them. They need to get power first, but for the most part just internal power would do the job. A new beginning among themselves. They’d need money…they’d need some wealth. They would have to do it also under the noses of a hostile elite, but in their case it is not a sophisticated enemy, it is a chaotic and dysfunctional enemy. They would just have to slowly smuggle military hardware into the country and keep it hidden. They’d have to connect with whites in the SA military..and unlike Americans SA whites have not been conditioned sufficiently to kill their brethren on the orders of their hostile elite.

    And then when the war came, they’d be overwhelmingly fighting an African army. A European military operation fighting an African army. It’d be over in days.

    • Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
      November 13, 2012 - 12:39 am | Permalink

      MM: In order to better grasp my position on secession, you really should re-read my posts. As I’ve stated, white nationalists would not need to resort to any sort of brute force, such as waging a guerrilla war against the US military, in order to seize political control of a territory 2,500 miles wide and 1,500 miles long. Not one bullet would have to be fired to accomplish this feat. Not even a pebble from a slingshot. The means to do so exist right now.

      Well, almost…

      All that remains is a contingent of approximately 250,000 voting-age white nationalists to migrate to Alaska and field a candidate for governor. Pitted against the split vote of their Democratic and Republican opposition, they would have no trouble defeating them. Once a WN governor were elected, Alaska would become a white nationalist controlled state (not a WN country) which could then revamp the state’s laws. No bloodshed necessary, MM. All very legal, and all quite within the realm of achievability.

      In regard to South Africa, we’ll just have to disagree. As I see it, neither the black-ruled government nor the US and other Western governments would ever allow an all-white nation to ever exist on that continent again. South Africans committed racial suicide and now they’re utterly dead.

      Here’s a link to the CALIFORNIA Secession Vote:
      Sign Sovereign WN State Petition
      Hold Back This Day
      The Towers of Eden

  87. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 12, 2012 - 8:27 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: If I discovered a new, more efficient way to kill masses of people tomorrow, does anyone seriously believe that this method wouldn’t instantly become the industry standard; copied and implemented universally shortly thereafter?

  88. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    November 12, 2012 - 8:19 pm | Permalink

    400. . .

  89. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    November 12, 2012 - 8:19 pm | Permalink

    What to do- this is premature.

    Spreading the word about who has done what to whom is job numero uno.

    A major problem is White support for the statist quo, and White belief in Federal Legitimacy. Too many are still in the dark. The smartest 5% of White Men should be the prime target.

    Any ideas as to the fraction of Whites who know this destruction is deliberate?

  90. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 12, 2012 - 8:14 pm | Permalink

    @chad johnson: I too, am deranged, because I insist on accusations of genocide being substantiated forensically, and logically, not with appeals to emotion. You might be interested in explaining why such an apparently unassailable truth as the gassed six million needs criminal sanctions in many jurisdictions to quash legitimate questioning.

  91. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 12, 2012 - 8:08 pm | Permalink

    @Facio Libre: Good article by Cartalucci, thanks.

  92. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 12, 2012 - 7:19 pm | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: “The irony is that we loved and admired the Jews.”

    That’s right Mary. Your’e making my point for me. Of course my point is not that Jewish people should have been hated, my point is the cluelessness that European-Americans exhibited towards Jewish groups, ONCE THEY REALIZED THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE OUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART. Where does personal responsiblility come in, Mary? Please don’t get me wrong. I’ve read most of your posts and I completely agree with them. You are current, as far as your awareness goes, much more so than most Americans. But again, when do we European-Americans do some serious introspection and admit that we are part of the problem and better damn well change!!

  93. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 12, 2012 - 7:09 pm | Permalink
  94. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 12, 2012 - 6:37 pm | Permalink

    I’ll try yet again to comment on white women. White liberal women sold us out and bought into the phony “war on women.” It baffles me that any thoughtful human being could conceive of the murder of their baby as a civil right. But I guess that the PC brainwashing starts in grade school, so that by the time a woman is of child bearing age, she’s reached full idiothood. Again, I blame the Jewish elites, because if you trace it back it is obviously their responsibility. I’ve said it before, I can’t imagine that ANY of our major problems could have gained any traction whatsoever if not for Jewish influence. Abortion, feminism, porn, affirmative action, massive immigration….you can rattle off the things that are tearing us down and behind each and every one of those issues you will find malevolent Jewish interests. But it takes a bit of intelligence and research to be able to put it together in your mind. I had NEVER had anything but admiration for Jews my entire life. At one time I had totally accepted that the Jews WERE a superior group and that they DESERVED to be the new mandarin class. I was a liberal for most of my adult life. Then came the bailouts of 08, and I started digging and reading, and I was shaken to the core when I realized that the entire thieving elite was above the law. I sincerely wish that I did not know the things I know now, because the information causes me great emotional pain. But it is what it is, and the truth cannot be denied. The Newsweek title mentioned above surely signifies the intense and irrational hatred that they have for us. But they haven’t reckoned with the fact that if we go down, THEY go down. The cat is out of the bag now, and if they had any common sense at all, they’d back off and allow us to repair this society before we reach the point of no return, which I believe we are rapidly approaching.

  95. chad johnson's Gravatar chad johnson
    November 12, 2012 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo:

    Thanks for the reasoned response. I really am not saying that I think Prof. McDonald is wrong, I am just saying I think the approach is a loser. Also I think that we could better fight any outside threats if we were aware of them and united, it is not enough to be aware and not united. Clearly. I do disagree with you that Muslims are not a threat here in America, they are a dangerous threat to us. Here in Tennessee we are being overrun with new what we would call “compounds” of muslims. They are fronts for terrorism in the eyes of a good many white Southrons, and when they read anyone who is openly pro-muslim it just destroys anything else that they say. So the idea that the muslims are so smart that they havent bought into the Jewish cabal while the idiot Europeans have been suckered right in is a non-starter for whites around here. Sorry fellas, but it just wont sell. And furthermore as Christians, we feel as threatened by the Muslims as we do the left. So any perception of an alliance between WN and arabs is simply a loser and a non-starter.

  96. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 12, 2012 - 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Bobby,
    No, I do NOT agree that “it’s on us anyway.” In fact, I think that such thinking is downright stupid. White Americans fought their German brothers during the world wars, and then GAVE the Jews a country of their own, and to thank us they give us the genocide of the white race. The evil I’m talking about here, the betrayal of the good will of decent whites here in America who NEVER MEANT ANY HARM WHATSOEVER TO THE JEWS….the evil is beyond my imagination. As we head into the cannibal’s pot, you can BET that we’re going to take the Jews down with us. Trust me, when whites figure out what has happened, there is going to be hell to pay. The irony is that we loved and admired the Jews.

  97. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    November 12, 2012 - 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Secession is a pipedream. In libertarianism, Americans have a mechanism to reinvigorate a white identity. I would run with that in the short term.

  98. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 12, 2012 - 5:53 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Alice, much of what you describe concerning young American women, is directly concerned with the Boomer Generation, and even generation X, who were brainwashed with the “I am woman, I can do anything” stuff. How many times over the years have I heard women being encouraged to multi-task, to take on everything,etc. We can now see how that worked out. No one can take on everything, unless, like Scotty said to Captain Kirk when asked by Kirk if he can do it, ” Give me enough energy Captain , and I can do anything!!”

  99. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    November 12, 2012 - 5:23 pm | Permalink

    South African: “In South Africa there are voices who say that white South Africa must move to the Western Cape and then secede. That is the theoretical side. But the practical side is that the economic motor of South Africa lies in Johannesburg and its surroundings. There is not enough industry in the Western Cape. Billions and Billions of dollars are in the Johannesburg area which will take many years to rebuild in the Western Cape…”

    In my view, any concerted attempt by white South Africans to secede from black-ruled South Africa will be opposed. In short, white secessionist-minded South Africans will be firmly told by Pretoria that secession is illegal, and will therefore not be permitted. If white South Africans attempt secession anyway, they won’t get two-steps before being crushed to a pulp. You see, it’s simply too late. For once white South Africans legally signed over the government and the military to the blacks, it was all over, as surely as if every white had sucked down the barrel of a shotgun and pulled the trigger.

    South African: “Does a similar situation exist in the USA? I can imagine not, but I do not know the facts as well as you that live in the USA.”

    The situation is much different in the USA. For one thing, white Americans have not literally signed over their government to blacks. Also, unlike South Africa, white Americans have always outnumbered blacks and other non-whites, something that is not true in your country. Even at this late hour, we are still the majority Race in the United States. So, unlike white South Africans, (who committed racial suicide under deKlerk) white Americans still have an opportunity to save themselves.

    As far as the viability of secession, I speak only for myself when I state that I do not believe it could succeed. The closest substitute to secession would be for white nationalists to flood a particular state in sufficient numbers in order to field a gubernatorial candidate, and vote themselves into power. In theory, this is very possible. The best US state to do this would probably be Alaska, due to its currently low population, its rich natural resources, its geographical separation from mainland USA, and a number of other factors. No other state (including the Pacific Northwest) offers the same favorable conditions.

    Unfortunately, the main problem with the idea is that white nationalists are very poorly organized, poorly led, and insufficiently willing to make the migratory sacrifice to seize legal control of a US state, so it is not likely to transpire.

    As for white South Africans, I believe they should immigrate to Australia. If Australia isn’t receptive to allowing you in, do what the Vietnamese boat people once did, and simply commandeer a fleet of fishing boats and old freighters and just run-aground on their shores. If enough of you are bold enough to try it, you will probably succeed.

    Here’s a link to the CALIFORNIA Secession Vote:
    Sign Sovereign WN State Petition
    Hold Back This Day
    The Towers of Eden

  100. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 12, 2012 - 4:53 pm | Permalink

    @starera:
    I do not disagree. if one looks back at history here in America there is some alignment between women activists and foolish movements. Many high profile abolitionists were women, it was women who demanded prohibition and the damage done by feminists seems never ending. With all of that said, I have great sympathy for young women who have been mislead for their entire life. Girls are targeting by the media from a shamefully young age. It follows relentlessly in school, in girl scouts, in magazines and books. It is any wonder there is so much unhappiness abroad in the land?

  101. immer75@gmail.com's Gravatar immer75@gmail.com
    November 12, 2012 - 4:48 pm | Permalink

    @Darth Vader:

    The way I see it you (and anyone else) can help GENERATION IDENTITAIRE by:

    a) spreading news and their ideological positions,
    b) buying their merchandise (boutique in their website).

    Btw, I take the chance to comment a bit more about that “pan-european” coordination that they are creating:

    – Similar groups coming out in Germany and Austria: http://www.facebook.com/identitaeroesterreich
    – Fight clubs set up by them (so our youngsters go back to our roots…): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu8TTVSPz2M&feature=related

  102. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 12, 2012 - 4:46 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo:

    I’m afraid most White liberals are fully supportive of policies that hurt Whites, even without prompting from anyone. Most of them are aware of the influences you mention I think. They just hate regular Whites more than anyone else.

  103. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 12, 2012 - 4:42 pm | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: Mary, I appreciate greatly, your use of the concept SOCIAL ENGINEERING. Your’e dead right!! Social engineering has been going on under the European-Americans NOSES, for at least fifty or more years now, and they have been either outright unconcerned or simply totally ignorant about all of it. In this I will indeed agree with Chad, when he says, “whatever we have allowed them to do is on us anyway.” And the really sad thing about what Chad said here, is that WE continue to allow it. Would you agree with this Mary?

  104. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 12, 2012 - 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Luke@http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/11/disenfranchised-white-males-time-for-secession/#comment-106034

    Yes, your “men are supposed to possess a warrior instinct and nature has intended for men to be willing and able to physically defend their tribe, family, territory and nations,” captures the essence of the problem. Normal female behavior is not dysfunctional in nature, it evolved to suit their natural role as mothers. The problem lies in giving females a leadership role via female suffrage. Females have no natural role in the defense of territory and consequently see no great danger in things like Third-World immigration, for example, it is too abstract to register as much of a threat until they see their own children directly affected. I spoke of this previously;
    ——-
    @Alice Teller, re your “Well, I am only a lowly woman and I cannot aspire to the lofty status of polymath you present.”

    Please remember that male-female differences in brain structure evolved for a reason, to advance the survival of our species. The substantial difference in abstract reasoning ability does not imply inferiority but is merely a reflection of the evolution of sex-specific roles in humans. Try to not be annoyed with the conversation. Our problems do in general result from giving too much political power to women but I suspect that you will agree that female voting has not worked out too well, you are likely an exception to that rule.
    ———————
    When you think of the different types of behavior needed to be a good soldier and to be a good mother you will get a good glimpse of the sociobiological reasons for females seeing the world in different terms than males do and consequently behaving differently in things like voting patterns.

    Rob @http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/11/disenfranchised-white-males-time-for-secession/#comment-106001
    Yes, you obviously have not. How about telling me the page number of that bogus quote of yours, we can examine it together.

    Snowhitey @http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/11/disenfranchised-white-males-time-for-secession/#comment-105803

    Lol, “Who was in power when this decline started?” The European empires had survived and grown for centuries until female voting, then they all collapsed withing a few years, don’t tell me you think that it’s merely a coincidence.

  105. South African's Gravatar South African
    November 12, 2012 - 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Now for me who is not up to speed with the USA – how will this secession thing work in practice? In South Africa there are voices who say that white South Africa must move to the Western Cape and then secede. That is the theoretical side. But the practical side is that the economic motor of South Africa lies in Johannesburg and its surroundings. There is not enough industry in the Western Cape. Billions and Billions of dollars are in the Johannesburg area which will take many years to rebuild in the Western Cape (with hardly any mines and other natural resources). The whites would make themselves unemployed, their children will not have enough schools, they will loose all their posessions and family ground. By moving, they will also create a situation where they will be vulnerable to external attacks (until an army has been created), and the area left behind might perhaps be filled by a much worse adversary, that is, the ANC might go into a pact with the Chinese, and build up a strong force that might bring the white Western Cape to its knees.

    Does a similar situation exist in the USA? I can imagine not, but I do not know the facts as well as you that live in the USA.

  106. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 12, 2012 - 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Jason Speaks

    November 12, 2012 – 12:59 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Is there any white person in this country who is not frustrated?

    Well, only the third of Whites that apparently are truly Anti-White liberals. Maybe the number isn’t quite that high. But yes, surely the vast majority of Whites have been given a slap in the face.

    And I suspect the slaps will get more get more frequent and harsher. The Left will start to feel it’s power, as they no longer need many Whites votes to rule.

    End quote

    I wonder though how many of these White liberals are aware of who is really behind this demographic shift. I have not seen any liberal yet comment on jewish activism and immigration policy. They talk about foreign policy but rarely to they talk about Jews and immigration. Very few people are aware of the Jewish domestic agenda.

    Kevin Madonald once said:

    “At the time, and for a couple of years later, this was an unmentionable theory. I am told certain prominent web sites stopped linking to VDARE.com after my essay was published. The malign presence of the SPLC (the “Southern Poverty Law Center”, a notorious ethnically-oriented Political Correctness enforcer) was soon felt on the scene, not coincidentally, and it named VDARE.COM a “hate group”, a sobriquet more normally associated with groups advocating violence and other forms of illegality.

    But now public debate has changed considerably. Serious antiwar commentary routinely connects the Iraq/Iran policy problem with the influence of Israel and her friends in America. (See here and here and here.)

    So I ask now: will the other boot drop? Will this candor next extend to the immigration controversy?

    The vast majority of Americans live under the comfortable illusion that theirs is a free country. They suppose that issues are openly and honestly debated in the newspapers and on talk shows. In this imaginary world, all issues affecting public policy are on the table and are constantly scrutinized by the best and the brightest.

    This is why it is possible to hope that the role of Jewish influence in promoting the epochal change inaugurated by the 1965 Immigration Act might also now be discussed openly and honestly”

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/mideast-policy-immigration-policy-is-the-other-boot-about-to-drop

    So maybe many White liberals do not see a specific agenda.

  107. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 12, 2012 - 3:51 pm | Permalink

    @bluegrass:

    Just remember that activism on the internet is REAL and has a REAL impact. There is a tendency to think that this or that movement isn’t real until we see people in the streets. But every age has it’s methods of communication and forming communities.

    A 120 years ago, it was by riding around on horseback, shaking hands and newspapers. 50 years ago it was TV, newspapers and public meetings. A lot of that was popular because people had no choice. The technology didn’t exist for anything better, more efficient, faster.

    Today, people live online. This is as REAL as they ginned up public rallies of the past. Most of us hate having someone in person approach us. People run from that. They are much more open to something they read on the internet.

    Being public is a personal decision; not everyone is cut out for public speaking, etc. And while eventually there will be a public movement, we are doing some good now by demonstrating how widespread pro-White feelings are.

    I would rather have someone posting anonymously and engaging in real world online activity, then “going public” and then being destroyed – and neutralized. What can they do for us at that point? Public activity in the form of old-fashioned street demonstrations can have their place too, and some people may enjoy the public life, but I just want to state that if someone stays anonymous, they may be doing us more good that way.

  108. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 12, 2012 - 3:39 pm | Permalink

    chad johnson

    November 12, 2012 – 2:07 pm | Permalink

    The anti-Jewish and pro-arab bent on here marginalizes you all and hurts the WN movement. This cannot be seen as a movement against Jews or it is doomed to fail. Whatever we have allowed them to do is on us anyway, and there is nothing to be gained from whining and blaming. I realize the Prof McDonald, whom I otherwise enjoy reading and listening to would disagree with me, but from a practical standpoint it is clear that I am right. We could build a movement that stood FOR something but we will never build one AGAINST a people, especially one that Europeans already tried to annihilate once. This just turns people off. And I notice that a lot of you find Christianity to be a weakness and some sort of Jewish infection, but without White Christians you have nothing. There is not enough of you secularists to build a village much less a nation. This is why the South is the hub of Whites and constitutionalism. We are not anti-Semitic and we are smart enough not to make allies of enemies like Muslims. The pandering to the these killers in this thread is disgusting. But we are pro-White and we are willing to do what is good for our race and we are the largest group of Whites that are armed, and aware in the country. We are probably the most armed group of Whites on the planet, save for organized armies. But I know you wont listen to me because the idea that Jews are responsible for all our problems is sadly deep within some European DNA.

    End quote

    Interesting thoughts. But I do understand why many here would focus on Jewish activism. Muslims are a concern in a European context and not an America one. They simply are not relevant for America since their numbers are small and influence even smaller. But I do agree about being pro-White rather being anti- something. But its hard to look at Jewish actvism in America any other way other than an ultimate threat.

    I think the reason why SOME WN look at Muslims the way you said is because they see how Muslims are not falling for Jewish influence and seem to know them well. Its remarkable to watch the difference between an Obama/Romney versus an Ahmedinejad when it comes to Netanyahu. A country as powerful and rich as America is bowing to a man who the Iranians regularly insult and threaten. Something is wrong with the math.

  109. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 12, 2012 - 3:39 pm | Permalink

    @Luke:
    Thin skin? Hypersensitivity? Because I said the story of white women is a long sad one? If you wish to attack me why not stick with reality? If I choose not to engage you at length it has more to do with your propensity for silly personal attacks, and images of heads and hindquarters, then any position I hold on women.

  110. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 12, 2012 - 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Chad,
    You are so totally clueless that it’s hard to know what to say to you in an attempt to get you to wake up. You need to get a copy of The Culture of Critique, to start with. There is ABSOLUTELY no doubt that our problems are DIRECTLY tied to the pernicious social engineering that the Jews designed and implemented. Furthermore, the idea that the Nazis wanted to exterminate the Jews is an outright vicious lie. If the Nazis had wanted to kill off the Jews, all they had to do was shoot them all. They could EASILY have done this. They never intended to kill the Jews. The Jewsih led Bolsheviks had just killed 20 MILLION Christians in Russia and where poised to take Germany as well; this is WHY the Nazis rose to power. Most of the Jews who perished in the war died from typhus and starvation. And the “gas chambers” are nonsense as well. The only thing sprayed on the Jews was a chemical to kill lice. Somehow, they have convinced the world that the loss of Jewish lives is more important than the loss of gentile lives. In the name of communism, ONE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE have been murdered, and yet the dumbass red diaper baby in the White House still can’t let it go.
    You need to do a bit of reading because you don’t have the slightest clue about what is going on.

  111. Wodansthane's Gravatar Wodansthane
    November 12, 2012 - 2:35 pm | Permalink

    The feasability of secession is going to be tied to timing more than anything else. It will have to occur during a major disruption of daily norms. Events such as the establishment of a new world reserve currency would make the Weimar inflationary period seem quaint compared to the disaster that would take place here in the U.S. ( for a view of this possibility see James Rickard’s “Currency Wars”). If something does occur that causes a widespread destabilization, you can count on all kinds of groups leaping at the chance to take advantage of the situation. Many areas of the country would resemble Syria. The Federal Governmnet can only put out so many fires at once. They might be completely overwhelmed and simply collapse because of mass desertions. Everyone will want to look out for their own. Chaos will reign.

  112. Wodansthane's Gravatar Wodansthane
    November 12, 2012 - 2:22 pm | Permalink

    The feasability of secession is going to ride on timing. T

  113. Wodansthane's Gravatar Wodansthane
    November 12, 2012 - 2:22 pm | Permalink

    The feasability of secession is going to ride on timing. T

  114. chad johnson's Gravatar chad johnson
    November 12, 2012 - 2:07 pm | Permalink

    The anti-Jewish and pro-arab bent on here marginalizes you all and hurts the WN movement. This cannot be seen as a movement against Jews or it is doomed to fail. Whatever we have allowed them to do is on us anyway, and there is nothing to be gained from whining and blaming. I realize the Prof McDonald, whom I otherwise enjoy reading and listening to would disagree with me, but from a practical standpoint it is clear that I am right. We could build a movement that stood FOR something but we will never build one AGAINST a people, especially one that Europeans already tried to annihilate once. This just turns people off. And I notice that a lot of you find Christianity to be a weakness and some sort of Jewish infection, but without White Christians you have nothing. There is not enough of you secularists to build a village much less a nation. This is why the South is the hub of Whites and constitutionalism. We are not anti-Semitic and we are smart enough not to make allies of enemies like Muslims. The pandering to the these killers in this thread is disgusting. But we are pro-White and we are willing to do what is good for our race and we are the largest group of Whites that are armed, and aware in the country. We are probably the most armed group of Whites on the planet, save for organized armies. But I know you wont listen to me because the idea that Jews are responsible for all our problems is sadly deep within some European DNA.

  115. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 12, 2012 - 12:57 pm | Permalink

    @uh: One thing I have a little trouble understanding is the apparent hyper-sensitivity of women like Alice to perfectly valid and easily verified criticism of dysfunctional white female behavior.

    I do not exclusively heap criticism only upon White females, and for those who’ve followed my posts – I am certain that they will acknowledge that I am probably even harder on my criticism of dysfunctional White males. In fact, I am pretty sure that I am a lot more critical of wimpy, cowardly, deracinated and emasculated White men than I am of White females – because men are supposed to possess a warrior instinct and nature has intended for men to be willing and able to physically defend their tribe, family, territory and nations.

    But, when I criticize White men, I do not normally get a rash of scolding or whining from other White men that complain about my criticisms. In fact, I suspect that most White men who read my posts along these lines probably agree with me, because my criticism are always valid and justified.

    The days when Whites of either gender can afford to have thin skins and be hypersensitive to valid criticisms are long behind us, folks.

  116. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 12, 2012 - 12:49 pm | Permalink

    @Rob:

    Hitler on America:

    “I don’t see much future for the Americans. In my view, it’s a decayed country. And they have their racial problem, and the problem of social inequalities. Those were what caused the downfall of Rome, and yet Rome was a solid edifice that stood for something. Moreover, the Romans were inspired by great ideas. Nothing of the sort in England to-day. As for the Americans, that kind of thing is non-existent. That’s why, in spite of everything, I like an Englishman a thousand times better than an American.

    It goes without saying that we have no affinities with the Japanese. They’re too foreign to us, by their way of living, by their culture. But my feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance. I feel myself more akin to any European country, no matter which. Everything about the behaviour of American society reveals that it’s half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together—a State where 80 per cent of the revenue is drained away for the public purse—a country where everything is built on the dollar? From this point of view, I consider the British State very much superior.”

    -Table Talk

  117. uh's Gravatar uh
    November 12, 2012 - 12:34 pm | Permalink

    When did Alice Teller set herself up as officiating schoolmaster of all the wayward boys?

  118. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    November 12, 2012 - 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Ronzo Paul makes good arguements for Secession: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvliy8rEJDQ&feature=player_embedded#!

  119. Snowhitey's Gravatar Snowhitey
    November 12, 2012 - 11:57 am | Permalink

    @Phil:

    “WRONG. I’m not going to let you get away with that lie. Those “mostly white men” were overwhelmingly JEWISH men (and women) who were responsible for policies and the counter culture subversion that “killed the white countries.” Try reading Prof. McDonald’s Culture of Critique, for starters.”

    What lie? Your mentality is always good at labelling people who have a different view. The Jew got control because of the white man… and to a much lesser extent, the white woman. Some white men – like you – don’t want to own up and take any blame at all for this mess. Instead you blame your wives, your daughters, and your mothers. Or, those of other white men. If the men are the sentinels of their civilizations, how the hell are women entirely to blame?

    And, it started a helluva lot earlier than the 60’s. Look at Truman, Roosevelt, Johnson and Kennedy and all the others. White men. It wasn’t white women who tricked white men to march off to the Civil War, WWI, and WWII. It wasn’t white women who brought the negroes into this country. Who started the Federal Reserve and all the central banks in white countries? It wasn’t white women. Who gave seats to Jews on the New York Stock exchange and allowed all those Jew companies to get a foothold in this country going back more than a century or perhaps even earlier? I never saw Paul Warburg surrounding himself in business with white women. Who are the Rothschilds’ stoogies? White men like David Rockefeller. Who had the vote before suffrage that allowed so many Jews to come into this country? How many women were in the House and the Senate when the The Immigration Reform Act of 1965 and The Civil Rights Act of 1964 were passed?

    Look no further than the mirror. Blood and soil is a responsibility of both sexes are I am afraid that it is white men who started the destruction with the white women now furthering its decline.

  120. vlad writes's Gravatar vlad writes
    November 12, 2012 - 11:33 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Pierre will be quite welcome on our little homestead. I hope he eats squash – it grows so well around here, and was always my grandma’s specialty!

  121. Rob's Gravatar Rob
    November 12, 2012 - 11:22 am | Permalink

    starera wrote:

    “Rob, you are correct about the trek to Europe nonsense but your idea that
    “Oh, and speaking of Hitler. You all might remember that he considered the US to be the most ideal country, back when he wrote Mein Kampf, right? Yes, that’s what he wrote in that book. He thought the US at that time had the best balance of personal freedoms and government institutions,”
    is bogus, you won’t find that in anything Hitler ever wrote, he considered America controlled by jews and polluted by blacks.

    Have you read the book?

  122. bluegrass's Gravatar bluegrass
    November 12, 2012 - 11:04 am | Permalink

    Hadding vs. Covington? check.

    Long vehement rants against White women? check.

    Abhorrent and relentless defeatism? check.

    Same old show I guess.

    Note to the commentariat: this shouldn’t be your place to expound the entirety of all the evils perpetuated against European man. Many greater minds than ourselves have done a good enough job listing the who, the what, and the why of our darkest hour. If you want a place for your ten-paragraph diatribes against your pet multicultural boogeyman just start another dissident-right blog.

    We are not the brains: we, all of us anonymous useless internet cockroaches who’d scurry at the 1st sign of public light, are going to have to be the nucleus of an actual, living, breathing physical movement.

    We need to take stock of our numbers, our moral character, our ability to outreach, and how we can survive and thrive in a system deteriorating at the seams.

    We can talk about secession, we can talk about great migratory ideas.

    But for the beginning, for this all to be anything more than a complicated mirage of intellectual smoke and mirrors, we’re going to have to go public.

    We have to put a face on this movement, we have to personalize to legitimize it and break this implicit sense on every WN board that we are utterly and completely alone.

    Even if its just on the internet, how can we truly believe in a cause if we refuse to put our name and body behind it?

    Oh, yes, they’ll take away our jobs possibly, if you already have one at this point. Maybe the $PLC will slander you, or maybe they’ll just tuck your name and bio away in some nice and neat “hate database”. Maybe, in the not-to-distant future, they’ll remember our little public comment diatribes and just throw us all in prison.

    Yet, how much do we really believe this? Would you be willing to be impoverished for the survival of your race? Imprisoned? Killed?

    None of us are likely going to be the future leaders and fighters of White Survival. Being the intellectual and spiritual vanguard we may need to accept that fact that many of us are going to have to be the martyrs.

    And as history has shown, movements need martyrs.

    The only way to legitimize Pro-White ideology in an age of deracinated Whites is for your average White to turn on his T.V. or read his local newspaper and see a Pro-White individual being arrested for nothing more than his belief in White racial existence.

    He can’t be arrested for violence, or libel, or indecency. He must be arrested, and punished, publicly for nothing more than the thoughts in his mind.

    It the only way to show the true colors of our enemy and the righteousness of our cause. I know “get arrested for your ideas,” sounds unpleasant and even a bit cliche, but what’s the inevitable outcome of our actions?

    We must remember that the system LIKES us on here: at TOO or stormfront or Alternative Right. We type type type instead of fight fight fight, we comment rant instead of protest and picket.

    If we ever stepped foot from this realm, they WILL respond. Many of us will be arrested, even killed. Knowing the depth of their hate for our race, this shouldn’t come as a surprise.

    I know this is the a bit hypocritical of me, seeing as how I’m not the first willing to throw my name out there and declare the world I’m a White Nationalist. My point, though, is that all our high and mighty talk of “secession” won’t mean much until we look at ourselves in the mirror and question how much we really, truly believe in this movement. Its time for us to take of our internet masks and show the world that we are here and we are Pro-White.

    Kill me, slander me, punish me: my race shall not perish.

  123. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    November 12, 2012 - 10:21 am | Permalink

    Countering the Corporate-Insurgency
    A guide to how the war for control is waged upon us, and 4 ways to fight back.
    by Tony Cartalucci

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.at/2012/10/countering-corporate-insurgency_25.html

  124. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 12, 2012 - 8:39 am | Permalink

    @Luke:
    I have little interest in reaching out to women who have such standards. The point I wanted to make was that the reaction of the majority of black folks to the verdict. It was a clear demonstration that there is no shared investment in justice.

    What happened to white women is a long and sad story.

  125. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 12, 2012 - 8:32 am | Permalink

    @Luke:
    I disagree. It is petty of you to slander a man because he differs with you on tactics.

  126. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 12, 2012 - 8:29 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Alice, I remember thinking to myself – after the entire nation was treated to the spectacle of cheering blacks, jumping for joy, on college campuses all across the country – when their hero OJ got off for killing his race mixing slut of a white wife and that kid Goldman – I thought, well, maybe the jewish media finally screwed up by showing those videos. Maybe white females will finally pull their heads out of their hind parts and grasp the harsh reality of how dangerous it is to let these black savages have access to what is tucked inside their panties? Maybe the OJ thing will drive White females back to the White men of their species?

    I was wrong. If anything, White chicks have become even bigger race traitors now than they were before the OJ murders took place. They absorbed no lessons at all by what OJ did.

    Meanwhile, aping OJ, the bodies of coal burning white females continue to pile up down at the morgues all across our nation – brutally, savagely, horribly beaten, sometimes even mutilated and dismembered – or tossed in a car trunk and burned alive as their primitive black lover pours gasoline all over the vehicle and tosses in a match – and then laughs as he savors the hysterical screams of his race mixing white slut as she slowly burns to death.

    No, Alice – I have to say that after watching the clearly irrational, clearly pathological and racially self-destructive behavior of White females for the last 20 or 30 years, I have to conclude that there is something seriously dysfunctional about White women. The same principle can also apply to White men who race mix, but the difference is clearly deeper and more fatal when the behavior of White females is observed.

    White men are not being brutally killed by the non-white bimbos they foolishly decide to bed down with, but the same can not be said for White females.

    What on Earth happened to White women that stripped them of their common sense and of their instinct for survival?

  127. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 12, 2012 - 8:09 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Pierre is a bubble headed, egotistical, narcissistic liberal. What possible place could be reserved for such a character as that?

  128. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 12, 2012 - 8:06 am | Permalink

    @Michael Hill: Welcome to the TOO community, Dr. Hill. I’ve got a decent collection of audio tapes of some of your League of the South speeches, and I find you to be an outstanding, top-notch, fearless and truly motivational speaker.

  129. Gary's Gravatar Gary
    November 12, 2012 - 4:35 am | Permalink

    Looks like the final blow to white freedom may come

    with Greek-style austerity programs backed by Obama and

    his allies in the coming year. The austerity programs will impoverise the white middle class in the same way
    that was done in Germany in the early 1930s. Jews
    were buying apartments in Berlin for the equivalent of
    10 pounds. The final blow will be rapid, economic, and
    accompanied by the coercion of FEMA prison camps
    for rebels.

  130. mark's Gravatar mark
    November 12, 2012 - 4:31 am | Permalink

    On streets of Athens, racist attacks increase

    “Every day we see someone who complained of (some form) of racist violence,” said Nikitas Kanakis, president of the Greek section of Doctors of the World . . . .”

    “Campaigning on a promise to “clean up the stench” in Greece, the party whose slogan is “blood, honor, Golden Dawn” has made no secret of its views on migrants: All are in the country illegally and must be deported. Greece’s borders must be sealed with landmines and military patrols, and any Greeks employing or renting property to migrants should face punishment.”

    “The party’s tactics — handing out food to poor Greeks, pledging to protect those who feel unprotected by the police — are working. Recent opinion polls have shown Golden Dawn’s support rising to between 9 and 12 percent.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/streets-athens-racist-attacks-increase-074957227.html

  131. Phil's Gravatar Phil
    November 12, 2012 - 3:27 am | Permalink

    @Snowhitey:

    “Come on. It was mostly white men that killed the white countries. Who was in power when this decline started? “

    WRONG. I’m not going to let you get away with that lie. Those “mostly white men” were overwhelmingly JEWISH men (and women) who were responsible for policies and the counter culture subversion that “killed the white countries.” Try reading Prof. McDonald’s Culture of Critique, for starters.

    Phil

  132. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 12, 2012 - 3:22 am | Permalink

    An analysis of the White vote shows that it was Yankee Whites that went for Obama (no surprise).

    In many ways, we are still seeing a war of Whites against Whites. I just want to GET AWAY from those Northern Whites who feel this way:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/11/10/the-blinding-light-of-white-nationalism/

  133. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 12, 2012 - 1:11 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    You’re right. I should have said anyone not on the government dole. I’m afraid that one is on us. We have long indulged in the fantasy that “we shouldn’t judge” is our highest value that we have lost touch with reality. It just happened so slowly that most just tried to adjust. It is not working. We are running out of places to hide. Everyone knows it, no one wants to admit it.

  134. STARSCREAM's Gravatar STARSCREAM
    November 12, 2012 - 1:01 am | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.:
    hahah! What a Eureka moment, no wonder the South lost. Seriously, that was a great link on Benjamin and its amazing I’ve never heard of the guy until today.

  135. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 12, 2012 - 12:59 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Is there any white person in this country who is not frustrated?

    Well, only the third of Whites that apparently are truly Anti-White liberals. Maybe the number isn’t quite that high. But yes, surely the vast majority of Whites have been given a slap in the face.

    And I suspect the slaps will get more get more frequent and harsher. The Left will start to feel it’s power, as they no longer need many Whites votes to rule.

  136. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 12, 2012 - 12:48 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    We are all demoralized because we are watching the decline of a system that outlived its mandate. Fighting communism abroad in the cold war is very different from fighting it here at home. The evil of both is that they impose the will of the elite on the people.
    But the structure of a political party can be taken over on the local level. It is not exciting nor am I suggesting that it is the right job for you. But, in every community there are some people who share you view. Not on everything – but on the belief that the party and the local political system have failed the locals. Someone really does count those votes on election day. Is there any white person in this country who is not frustrated?

  137. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 12, 2012 - 12:35 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Sorry, The article is at AltRight. Intriguing notion of using truth as the mindbender.

  138. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 12, 2012 - 12:33 am | Permalink

    @Sandman:
    There is an interesting article by Matt Forny “How to make a feminist cry.” Great links to some interesting techniques to use with Liberals.

  139. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 12, 2012 - 12:29 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    At this point I don’t know what to do and admit to feeling demoralized. Sure, there are things the GOP could do, but they won’t. If they simply ran a decent candidate who appealed to the White working and middle class, they could still win. Then they would need to stop all immigration and begin returning illegal aliens. This would be good for Whites.

    None of that will happen. Literally no one in the GOP leadership wants that to happen. So, where are the White men to rise up and take the party? At the moment, I fear they are so broken and isolated, so demonized and marginalized (and perhaps resentful), that they refuse to take any interest in either saving the country or their own people.

  140. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 12, 2012 - 12:24 am | Permalink

    @Phil: @Bobby:

    This is the time to draw attention to the excess. In the end it is always the excess that does them in.

  141. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 12, 2012 - 12:20 am | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    The takeover of the Republican party is primed and ready for people willing to work on the local level. It is time to start making some trouble.

  142. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 12, 2012 - 12:16 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Both parties are corrupt. Our precarious stability relies on a public pretense that everything is going to be fine. They know it is not but they have no idea what to do about it. Politics has never been a pretty business. We must not forget that politicians have been the prime target of the media for decades. Is it any wonder that we rarely put our best men into office?

    I think that Republicans choose the man they thought most competent to manage and minimize the long slow collapse. Adults know that Karma really is a bitch and it is breathing down our necks. The modern version of The Devil and Daniel Webster.

    Time for a takeover.

  143. lanceman's Gravatar lanceman
    November 12, 2012 - 12:01 am | Permalink

    @Guy Francis:

    The direct deaths from the tsunami totaled at least 15000. The projected cancers from Fukushima perhaps 200. This after 3 core melts plus other releases. From a 1960’s vintage plant. Compare this to the deaths from coal mining. How about the dependency of green energy on rare earths that a mined by the Chinese with little regard for the environment or worker safety?

    Irrational fear of technology is common among the negroes.

  144. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 11, 2012 - 11:44 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:

    The GOP elites are now going to pursue the “Latino” vote the way they pursued what was called the “Negro” vote back in the 50s and 60. They pursued the Negro vote back then and alienated working class Whites in the process (what became known as Reagan Democrats).

    There is no limit to their stupidity (and/or evil). Instead of just getting more Whites to turn out (relatively easy) and win elections, instead they will wasted billions and years going after small inroads into the Latino vote that won’t accomplish anything.

  145. Snowhitey's Gravatar Snowhitey
    November 11, 2012 - 11:40 pm | Permalink

    @starera: Come on. It was mostly white men that killed the white countries. Who was in power when this decline started? And, if white men raised their daughters better, we’d be in great shape. Both sexes are to blame for our mess. Women are more vulnerable to propaganda that’s for sure.

  146. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 11, 2012 - 11:33 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: Oh, I forgot to mention that Romney, that guy that so many took for being a conservative icon, has told President Obama, that, ” he wants to work FOR him.” That’s right in case you didn’t read that correctly. Romney didn’t say he wants to work “WITH” President Obama, he said he wants to work “FOR” him. Even a science fiction writer, couldn’t come up with this stuff. A so-called conservative who just ran for President and got taken to the woodshed, has now decided that he wants to work for a “far leftist”. Come on, not even a science fiction writer would think of it.

  147. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 11, 2012 - 11:26 pm | Permalink

    @Phil: Yeah, Phil, it’s all perfectly insane. They don’t even bother to hide it anymore, they actually seem to relish putting down white males. It would be funny, if it weren’t so potentially dangerous.

  148. Phil's Gravatar Phil
    November 11, 2012 - 11:05 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “Newsweek is certainly anti-white.

    More like Jewsweek. Ditto all the other Jewish-owned mass media, which is to say, the entire “mainstream” media.

    Next week’s headline:

    GOP – you’re old, you’re white, you’re history.

    Where are the cries of hate-talk and editor’s head’s?

    Dems – You’re Evil, Ugly and Not Too Bright. Many of You Are Envious Because You Were Not Born White.

    It’s only “hate speech” if such statements are against a Jew or other non-white, so sayeth the Jews responsible for this politically correct tyranny they’ve imposed on us.

    Do you need any more proof, White America? (I know I’m preaching to the choir but would like to think there’s a newbie or two reading this.) They’re not even pretending to be nice anymore! They are mocking you, rubbing your face in it now, and pardon the expression, sticking it up your a**!

    Wake up America!

    Phil

  149. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 11, 2012 - 10:43 pm | Permalink

    So, let’s do a final summing up of our patriotic Repubicans. Boehner the Republican leader has stated that Obama care is a done deal, and anmnesty is needed for border criminals.

    A supposed Republican “leader” of another type, (air waves)Hannity, you know, that guy that has told us he’s been to the border and is “outraged” at all of the illegal immigration and how we need to have boreders and how we need,…..well, you know, IS SUDDENLY AN IMMIGRATION ENTHUSIAST. Now, why wouldn’t White Males feel disenfrancised, when they have put their faith in two idiots like Boehner and Hannity, and gotten SCREWED. Any white male who continues to listen to two words that either of these two idiots utter, deserves everything they get. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

  150. francis asissy's Gravatar francis asissy
    November 11, 2012 - 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Jews have methodically cornered whites, and they are salivating at the prospect of the kill…they absolutely despise
    whites, and their life long efforts have come to fruition. Unless powerful jews some where give us a stay of execution, we are done. They destroyed us with world wars, pornography,the drug culture, and finally their most potent weapon, multiculturalism. Marxism never truly cared for the proletariat….they were simply used a weapon of mass destruction in the quiet genocide of europeans.

  151. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 11, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:
    The South shall rise again because country folk can survive! We will even save a place for Pierre.

  152. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 11, 2012 - 10:05 pm | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas:
    I agree, Mary. Every so often something happens that breaks through mass denial. The O.J. Simpson trial was one. This election is another. I know people who sincerely believed that when Obama became president it would be the end of the never-ending demands and complaints. It is hard to hide from the truth now. Keep up the good work.

  153. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    November 11, 2012 - 9:46 pm | Permalink

    @Phil: The Indians on the “Trail of Tears” had their negro slaves carry their belongings to their reservation in Oklahoma territory. Previous suffering is a matter of propaganda and perception. On succession – My mother grew up on a farm and her family was completely self sufficient – that farm is still there and we can still grow our own food like she did 60 years ago, raise and milk the cows, fish in the lakes, water from the stream. Oh, and sport target shooting with my own reloads. 1000’s of them….let’s go for it, peacefully, of course!
    Even had a little chapel on the front of the acreage donated to the Methodist church – it is still standing.

  154. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    November 11, 2012 - 9:38 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius: Good point about opening up the Universities of the Ivy League BS artists. They have a 98% graduation ratio – how hard could it be to graduate from there, anyway?
    There are few mainstream institutions in the US worth supporting – let’s agitate against them and destroy their legitmacy – just like the extreme left did to every beloved institution in the past.

  155. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 11, 2012 - 9:30 pm | Permalink

    I’d like to point out that NOW is the time to talk to all of your white friends who just need the slightest push to turn WN. Whites are confused and very open now to being told what has happened, who caused it, etc.
    I’ve been naming the Jew quite a bit and I’m getting through now. One old friend did try to label me a “conspiracy theorist” but I think I was able to provide him a better understanding and cut through his fears.

  156. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 11, 2012 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

    The BBC has done some show on why US Republicans need to change.
    The BBC is the enemy.

  157. Phil's Gravatar Phil
    November 11, 2012 - 8:17 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    “Many others owe their livelihood to Jews. All of them, I think, have a hierarchy of concerns: (1) self and family; (2) keeping on the good side of the Tribal money men who support them; (3) the GOP and its survival; (4) getting a good job elsewhere when the GOP goes the way of the Federalists in four, eight, or twelve years.”

    All very selfish, treasonous, short-term thinking which will only result in White America’s doom.

    Phil

  158. Phil's Gravatar Phil
    November 11, 2012 - 8:10 pm | Permalink

    @Kyle:

    “On slavery, I would just note that it was extremely common in the world until very recently. All races have practiced slavery.”

    You’re correct. Slavery still is practiced in Africa…and in that Zionist entity called Israel where thousands of our White women from Eastern Europe are duped into going to that country on promise of a high-paying job and shortly after arriving there, their passport seized from them, beaten and raped and forced into a miserable life of prostitution, and in effect, destroying it, to satisfy the sexual desires of those illegal occupants of Palestinian property and enrich those filthy, inhuman Jewish pimps.

    Let’s not forget the Black freedmen that owned Black slaves in America…as well as Indian slaves…and “surprise, surprise” (like Gomer Pyle used to say), White slaves, who were, in case you are not aware, the
    very first slaves in America, euphemistically referred to as “indentured servants.”

    The Irish in Colonial America were considered

    “Niggers Turned Inside Out”

    “Negro slavery was efficiently established in colonial America because Black slaves were governed, organized and controlled by the structures and organization that were first used to enslave and control Whites. Black slaves were ‘late comers fitted into a system already developed.” (1)

    “…especially after the colonization of the New World, hard labor was often performed by persons who were ‘indentured servants’… Many were actually not indentured, but had been kidnapped in the British Isles by thugs and sold to slavedealers. The appalling and sometimes heart-breaking record is summarized by Michael A. Hoffman II in an excellent book… One shocking fact that you will learn from Mr. Hoffman is that the White slaves commonly fared worse than Black slaves.” (2)

    Phil

    (1) http://www.saveyourheritage.com/white_slavery.htm

    (2) THEY WERE WHITE AND THEY WERE SLAVES – The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America by Michael A. Hoffman II

    http://www.resist.com/Instauration/OtherPubs-20120723/WhiteSlaves.pdf

  159. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 11, 2012 - 7:34 pm | Permalink

    @bannister: Your comment is not off topic, the topic being white disfranchisement.

    I’m afraid, however, that I think your conclusions fail to convince because their implicit major premise—that the GOP preferred winning to losing—is unsubstantiated.

    Let’s put to one side for a moment the matter of where the GOP leaders get a sizable portion of their cash (three guesses) and focus on functional questions. Do you think that important GOP figures genuinely believed that any candidate had a higher vote-getting potential than Ron Paul? I don’t, but obviously I can’t prove it. Still, there is reason to think that they have a pretty good idea of what will sell, electorally speaking.

    Do you think these people felt that a Paul victory might lead to a reduction in federal hiring perqs for the two or three hundred guys and gals in the revolving-door set? I do, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a factor, especially if, as some surely felt, a Paul presidency turned out to be an enormous success, especially with real (i.e., white) Americans.

    Still, these amount to necessary but not sufficient conditions for GOP leaders to doom their party and their nation to a continuation of Nightmare Obama. Surely there’s more.

    I think the fact must be faced that leading figures in the GOP were doubtless complicit in the numerous incidents of vote fraud involving Ron Paul. (How can they not have been?) Many of those figures are Jews. Many others owe their livelihood to Jews. All of them, I think, have a hierarchy of concerns: (1) self and family; (2) keeping on the good side of the Tribal money men who support them; (3) the GOP and its survival; (4) getting a good job elsewhere when the GOP goes the way of the Federalists in four, eight, or twelve years.

    You may have noticed that I left out the welfare of the USA and the descendants of the white Europeans (yes, even the Irish) who built the USA from the above list of concerns. That was my intent. You may also have noticed that I returned without due notice to the matter that I said I was putting aside: where the GOP leaders get a sizable portion of their cash. That was not my intent, but since that “matter” is the elephant in the GOP room (tired old allusion very much intended), I could hardly ignore it, now could I?

    So, yes, we have been disfranchised—and by people who don’t give a damn either about us or about the franchise. Whether there is or isn’t a viable way to secede, I don’t know, but it’s certainly way past time for secession.

  160. Kyle's Gravatar Kyle
    November 11, 2012 - 7:29 pm | Permalink

    @Phil:

    On slavery, I would just note that it was extremely common in the world until very recently. All races have practiced slavery.

    I just want to caution people before accepting the idea that Whites were somehow unique in practicing slavery, when most of the people brought over to the US were already slaves in Africa. And of course, the Mayans and Aztecs practiced slavery as did Native Americans. Of course, the Arabs practiced slavery on a broad scale, including slavery of Whites.

  161. Kyle's Gravatar Kyle
    November 11, 2012 - 7:17 pm | Permalink

    @Phil:

    But your plan does show how our problems could be solved IF we had a significant number of White people on our side. The problem – and opportunity – is getting enough Whites to become explicitly pro-White.

    If we get that, many things become possible. Without it, all plans are doomed.

  162. Phil's Gravatar Phil
    November 11, 2012 - 7:15 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo:

    Bigmo,

    Religion has no business in politics. The ongoing racial (read: Black) problem in America requires a political solution not a theological one. Importing Blacks from Africa into the New World was criminal, very unjust and tragic, to put it mildly. Even for Blacks too.

    Phil

  163. Phil's Gravatar Phil
    November 11, 2012 - 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Bigmo said:

    “There is still time, this all can be reversed.”

    Yes, it sure can be reversed IF the following were implemented immediately:

    a) Massive roundup of illegal aliens, the overwhelming majority whom are, as we are painfully aware, illegally ensconced in OUR country from Mexico, with the bill, after all is said and done, sent to its corrupt narco-government.

    If our military can invade and occupy Afghanistan and Iraq (and in the process murder and maim millions of people who never did Americans in the USA any harm nor posed any threat to our country), conducting Operation Wetback II would be mere child’s play, After that is accomplished, have the US Army Corp. of Engineers design and build a great wall that separates the US and Mexico to prevent future problems.

    The tiny percentage of (Caucasian) illegal aliens from Europe and other white countries can stay if they pass an FBI background check (as is required of all aliens who apply for legal residence); a medical exam; pay the necessary USCIS filing fees (about $3,000.00) and fill out the several forms as is required by that entity, etc. to apply for legal residence.

    Any objection from the Jewish-owned, White America-hating mass media, cultural marxist subversives, pro-illegal alien Hispanic and Jewish pressure groups will result in immediate arrest and detainment using some law in the (un) Patriot Act (ha-ha-ha…) because this IS a national emergency.

    b) A three-year moritorium on ALL immigration into the USA until all the above gets sorted out and settled.

    c) Passing the Immigration Reform Act of 2015 which will return us to our once-sane, once-pro-White, pre-1965 immigration standards in order to restore this country’s once-90% White demogaphic before the White America-hating, subversive Jewish lobby and insane white liberals perverted it and set into motion events which culminated in our current nightmare. This is the “House that White man built” and it’s high time that we restore it!

    d) A $10,000.00 bonus paid to each White American couple for every child they bring forth into this world.

    There you have it. A simple logical solution to our ills. But will it happen? NO.

    Phil

  164. Guy Francis's Gravatar Guy Francis
    November 11, 2012 - 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Among all this talk there is an oversight. Save for Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona, no other government agency is preventing or apprehending illegal aliens from WORKING in nuclear power plants in the US. Without going into the most tenuous state of America’s nuclear power plants, and Obama gave approval for MORE plants after the Fukushima incident, btw a good reason to AVOID the West coast, INCLUDING Alaska, SOONER OR LATER there is going to be an “event” a FAILURE at these plants and the US will be uninhabitable, worse than Chernobyl. And the beauty of it is that it will go ALL AROUND THE EARTH and the fomenters of the destruction of the white race will receive that for which they have threatened the Aryan race.

  165. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 11, 2012 - 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Phil

    November 11, 2012- 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Bigmo ridiculously said:

    “God chose Blacks as America’s destiny”

    Destiny? Are YOU serious? How ridiculous! More like malady!

    Phil

    End quote

    I am looking at it from a theological perspective. To me its sacreligious to refer to it as a malady. It may be idealistic but in religion what God choses is good never bad. Easier said than done though. But how much of a malady does it seem now though I ask?

  166. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 11, 2012 - 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Alice Teller

    November 11, 2012 – 1:39 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo:
    You are mistaken about Lincoln, he favored repatriation to Africa. Although I agree that the est interest of blacks would have been an alliance between black and white that ship has sailed. Black choose to throw in the lot with Jews. Millions of whites who had very little experience with blacks accepted the propaganda. Every insult to blacks was highlighted and dramatized. Now every black on white outrage must be hidden

    End quote

    Yes he thought about that and many other solutions to what he saw as a race problem. But its unclear whthere he himself supported that or he thought it was a solution Whites can accept to end slavery. The problem (like secession argument we hear now) that it was too complicated. In the end it couldn’t happen. But Lincoln also advocated at one time suffrage. He probably saw the reaction against ending slavery and wanted to find any solution. 500,000 died in the civil war so he probably was right about the extent of the opposition. He wanted to end slavery by any means and looked for a solution. Its not the slavery issue I was talking about but the post slavery times. Slavery had economic benefits for many states who depended on slavery for cheap labor. The industrial revolution probably had more to do with ending slavery than anything else. But what i fear is how the south reacted after the civil war. In the end they ended not changing any thing but made life worse for Blacks and hence deepened the division. This went on for a very long time and than there was resistent during the civil rights movement. This opened the door for Jews. A house divided can not stand. But there is still time. No doubt the Jews did not expect the cat to come out of the bag so soon. But they also did not expect the Iraq war to expose the Israel lobby as it did. All this while Israel is becoming a Talmudic state full pledge in front of the world’s eyes. The game is now exposing itself. This is all good, but the old America should not be forgotten and given up on. Secession, like repatriation, is not the solution. On hindsight, 1960 black and white America seems like paradise now. Whites have to be thinking about this. But will they have the discipline? We shall see, That is my two cents.

  167. Phil's Gravatar Phil
    November 11, 2012 - 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Bigmo ridiculously said:

    “God chose Blacks as America’s destiny”

    Destiny? Are YOU serious? How ridiculous! More like malady!

    Phil

  168. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 11, 2012 - 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Gregor

    November 11, 2012 – 5:42 pm | Permalink

    WOW! Over 300 comments in a couple of days.

    This Secession idea seems to draw out the passion of the TOO commentariat.

    End quote

    2012 is what many here have been talking about. Its the election that brought about this attention. Even foreign media is talking about the demographic change in America. Europe must be stunned about what happened and what could happen to them. Even Arab media joked about how its now “its the demographic stupid” rather than the economy. The cat came out of the bag big time. There is now no denying it, the whole world was seeing the obvious and the US media can;t even hide it anymore. Its only a time before the Jewish role in all this will be exposed to the whole world like 9-11 and Iraq war exposed their role in US foreign policy.There is still time, this all can be reversed. But if Whites can demand the OLD AMERICA and not some new America like secession. It won’t work, its too compicated. The process can be reversed. The whole world would not be able to complain. Most of the wold can relate to ethnicity and culture but I doubt this will happen. But who knows. But there is still time.

    I see things theologically. I think God can give another chance but we have to play by HIs rules and not ours.

  169. Phil's Gravatar Phil
    November 11, 2012 - 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Darth Vader said in response to Harold A. Covington:

    We also need to infiltrate the establishment.
    It wouldn’t be wise to just secede.
    We can do great things with our numbers in terms of infiltrating the establishment of our rulers.

    Golden Dawn is taking over Greece in the streets by infiltrating the police force.

    The Jews took over America through universities, money, and politics.

    We can do something too.

    It is WAY TOO LATE for that now. That plan should have been implemented decades ago.

    Phil

  170. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 11, 2012 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

    @Karlfried: Your comment is appreciated by me because it bores right into the meaning of words, and the effects of language on reality. I don’t think many people will value it, however, because it doesn’t talk about “the jews” or the current news story. But we both know that the path to success will be trod by those who understand Deep Game, embedded in the weaponizing of language. Thanks for that.

  171. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 11, 2012 - 5:42 pm | Permalink

    WOW! Over 300 comments in a couple of days.

    This Secession idea seems to draw out the passion of the TOO commentariat.

  172. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 11, 2012 - 4:37 pm | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.: ZOG, I hate to say it, but your site is extremely useful. The pictures are too big though and it takes too long to load each page. The reason your site is useful is because it is just facts, but the facts lead to one incontrovertible conclusion. No flashing pink swastikas or uncouth language is needed (and this type of stuff turns people off).

    And I’m saying this as someone who disagrees with many of your comments on this site.

    One question though, do you have any graphics that show jewish control of media, finance, and government? Again, no vulgar images, just facts. I have seen these in the past, and find them extremely useful.

  173. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    November 11, 2012 - 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Who Controls Barack Obama?
    https://thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-barack-obama/

    One longtime Jewish observer of the political scene, who did not want to be identified, said admiringly that “Jews made him. Wherever you look, there is a Jewish presence.”

  174. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    November 11, 2012 - 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Who Controls the White House?
    https://thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-the-white-house/

    Summary:
    Of the eleven(11) current and former senior advisors of President Barack Obama, nine(9) are Jews, partial Jews, or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 82%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the current and former senior advisors of President Barack Obama by a factor of 41 times(4,100 percent).

  175. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 11, 2012 - 1:39 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo:
    You are mistaken about Lincoln, he favored repatriation to Africa. Although I agree that the est interest of blacks would have been an alliance between black and white that ship has sailed. Black choose to throw in the lot with Jews. Millions of whites who had very little experience with blacks accepted the propaganda. Every insult to blacks was highlighted and dramatized. Now every black on white outrage must be hidden.

  176. uh's Gravatar uh
    November 11, 2012 - 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Looks like white women are a huge problem for white nationalism. Just as we said.

    Was tun?

  177. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    November 11, 2012 - 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Yes, maybe we can secede like the South did in the 19th century. And maybe we can get a nice, smart Jewish guy to lead us too, just like the Confederate States did.

    Judah Benjamin
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Benjamin.html

    One of the most misunderstood figures in American Jewish history is Judah P. Benjamin, whom some historians have called “the brains of the Confederacy,”

  178. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    November 11, 2012 - 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Why hasn’t Kevin MacDonald published any articles on TOO about the Golden Dawn Party in Greece?

    You would think an important subject like that would have merited at least one article on TOO, but no.

    I find that very odd, to say the least.

  179. mark's Gravatar mark
    November 11, 2012 - 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Here’s part of what Whites are going to have to deal with.

    Does anybody here think that they will obey orders to vacate the USA just because legislation was passed requiring them to do so? And what about once these illegal aliens become citizens?

    I’ve also included at the bottom a link to a radio broadcast in which Dr. William Pierce describes the horror that Whites experienced when negroes took over Haiti.

    Illegal migrants across U.S. taking protests to defiant new level
    http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2012/09/13/20120913illegal-migrants-us-protests-defiant-new-level.html

    Illegal Immigrants Protest Being Called “Illegal” – Should We Do Away with the Term
    http://nj1015.com/illegal-immigrants-protest-being-called-illegal-should-we-do-away-with-the-term-poll/

    DNC Protest Leads To Arrest Of 10 Undocumented Immigrants
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/dnc-protest-undocumented-immigrants_n_1858331.html
    (video included)

    WATCH: Filmmaker Engages Protesters in Illegal Immigration Discussion
    http://westminster.patch.com/articles/watch-film-maker-engages-protesters-in-illegal-immigration-discussion

    Illegal immigrants protest Jan Brewer’s executive order at Arizona Capitol
    http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/arizona/immigration/article_ce668678-e800-11e1-b230-0019bb2963f4.html

    Angry protesters lash out over healthcare for illegal immigrants.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Sfh_36tCU
    David Gregory, NBC News

    Undocumented immigrants face arrest as they proclaim, ‘No papers, no fear’
    http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/06/undocumented-immigrants-face-arrest-as-they-proclaim-no-papers-no-fear/

    Illegal immigrants head to Charlotte
    Dumbasses at the Tea Party still don’t understand it all. “Illegal is illegal. Come on a visa, etc, OK”., they say.
    They don’t understand that Whites are in a global war of extermination against non-whites.
    http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/illegal-immigrants-head-to-charlotte?page=5&commentId=4301673%3AComment%3A860500&x=1 – 4301673Comment860500

    “500,000 illegals defy deportation orders”:
    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94EVD6O0&show_article=1

    The Lesson of Haiti
    Listen to Dr. William Pierce discuss Haiti in an American Dissident Voices broadcast as he describes the horror. A video of still pictures accompanies the broadcast.

  180. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 11, 2012 - 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Alice Teller

    November 11, 2012 – 12:49 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo:
    Southerners have been under relentless assault from the Jewish media for decades. We have been the brunt of every ugly caricature in Hollywood until the Arabs came along. Even on these pages people feel free to denigrate rednecks. A redneck is simply a white man who worked hard in the fields to make a living. It is no accident that the only man in public who cultivates rather than attempts to hide his Southern accent is Eric Cantor. He is the face of the New South.

    No Southerner, of any class, has been free from this assault. Is it really any wonder that our children go into the world trying hard to prove they are part of the international elite of all educated, right thinking people?

    End quote

    I have no problem with that but I still doubt how they will react now. History has shown that they make a bad situation worse. God chose Blacks as America’s destiny. History has shown any attempt to change that will bring about a worse situation. Now we can see how that situation came to be. Abraham Lincoln understood that, that Blacks are America’s destiny. On hindsight the civil rights movements of Blacks is peanuts compare to mass immigration. Many Whites, especially southern Whites vehemently oppossed it. Even after the civil war the south fought a war of attrition, very successfully, making things worse. They never ended getting rid of Blacks anyways but only made reconciliation impossible as Black grievance grew. They were so distracted with blacks that they were blind about the tsunami coming their way. Look where they are now.

    I recently visited Dr David Duke’s website. Nothing about blacks and all about Jews and zionism. Just shows how he realized he was focussing in his KKK days at the wrong target. It is not too late. It can be reversed but for that to happen Whites need to unite with Blacks . To get their country back. I doubt whether this can happen. The south never got over the civil war. All this talk of segregation and affirmative action now seems small fry. A minor nuisance compared to what Whites will face now. For the first time in American history Whites have lost their political and demographic power. Something that was never imagined 40 years ago. I truly believe this is God intervention. God does not like those who don’t accept the fate He chose for nations and trying to change that only makes things worse. We can see that now.

    You are correct that there has been an onslaught by the media, but the Jews knew from the first day that most Whites would rather live next to them than with a Leroy or Tyrone. A stranger was more acceptable to them than a community that they lived with for almost 4 centuries. Its really is quite amazing, but many Whites exaggerated the Black threat and many still do. All this talk of black crime and affirmative action and welfare now seems small fry compare to this huge demographic change and financial bankruptcy. At ten per cent, Blacks were manageable as history showed us. Never did they threaten White rule, they just demanded inconvenience. But you don’t know what you have till you lose it. This secession talk is a waste of time. It will never happen. Only a Black and White alliance demanding the return of their America will succeed. But I doubt that will happen. The divison between them is deep. Much deeper than logic and reason.

    But i could be wrong.

  181. STARSCREAM's Gravatar STARSCREAM
    November 11, 2012 - 12:56 pm | Permalink

    @Bill:
    Your point is a good one and coincides with Hollywood’s latest drive to glorify and romanticize the character of Abraham Lincoln, and by default, his suspension of habeas corpus. The latest injection: Abraham Lincoln “Vampire Hunter” depicts Southerners as Vampires and Lincoln the Vampire Slayer. Go figure

  182. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    November 11, 2012 - 12:55 pm | Permalink

    The world consists of acting and interacting. There are many important things that cannot be seen at the first glance. The players in the world game use “dirty tricks” very often.

    These tricks are “dirty” only if valued by our own moral, that is the moral of the white race.
    If measured by the moral of the group which puts them in action, these tricks are a very valuable tool to harness the white race, thus to get a big advantage. And the harnessed and doomed white race does not recognize it at all. Both, harnessing and make the harness unseen, that is the art of this trick.
    If I would look as a neutral outsider, I would say: That is a very clever trick. But looking as a member of the White Race I say: We must pay attention.

  183. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 11, 2012 - 12:49 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo:
    Southerners have been under relentless assault from the Jewish media for decades. We have been the brunt of every ugly caricature in Hollywood until the Arabs came along. Even on these pages people feel free to denigrate rednecks. A redneck is simply a white man who worked hard in the fields to make a living. It is no accident that the only man in public who cultivates rather than attempts to hide his Southern accent is Eric Cantor. He is the face of the New South.

    No Southerner, of any class, has been free from this assault. Is it really any wonder that our children go into the world trying hard to prove they are part of the international elite of all educated, right thinking people?

  184. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 11, 2012 - 12:40 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    I would not be surprised if Michele Obama or Cory Booker ran in the next race.

  185. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 11, 2012 - 12:39 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Any brown face will do. We have reached the point the Founding Fathers, echoing the ancient Greeks, warned us of – the majority has caught on that they can vote themselves goodies. Since the rainbow coalition has neither respect for truth or comprehension of honor it is all downhill from here.

  186. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 11, 2012 - 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Jason Speaks

    November 11, 2012 – 9:17 am | Permalink

    @Bigmo:

    This is something I wrote in anger over on another blog. It is more of an emotional venting than a logical statement. But it sure felt good.

    I wonder if you Whites who were so Anti-South realize you are about to reap a whirlwind of pain? Now that the Dems can get elected without worrying about the White vote, the pain on Whites is about to get MUCH worse. What’s happened so far is but a spring shower. Your children will suffer pain you can’t imagine. But hey, you got strut around and act Anti-Southern and prove you weren’t a “racist”, hope it was worth it. Have fun in your nursing home, as the recent immigrants smother you with a pillow. And your grandchild is being raped by the urban “youth” she was hanging around. You will know the pain of seeing the dark world your offspring will inherit, and be unable to help them. Thanks for nothing, you cowardly generation of Whites who sold your White children out.

    End quote

    I have no quarrel with what you said but its just that White Southerners were focussing on the wrong target. They booed Ron Paul and have been the back bone of the Neocon culture. They were too obsessed with Blacks and many still are. They like this war on terror thing, once again focussing on the wrong taget. Were are the Muslims in the 2012 elections? I believe White southerners never got over the civil war. Whether we admit or not, the South did bring this situation. Look where they are now. But people should learn from their mistakes. The author of the article asked what other option Whites have. I still believe they can align themselves with the Blacks to demand the old America back, but to do that Whites in general and southern Whites in particular need to cut their losses with the Blacks of America and swallow their pride. Alliances are needed in such cases. . Both have a vested interest to oppose the new America that will disposess them. But I doubt whether the Southern Whites will.

    Blacks and Whites share a history, but when race becomes the only criteria people become blind. Many Whites probably preferred jews than Blacks because they looked more similar to them. We see where this got them. You have to admit that. Most Whites now will take back the 1960s in a heart beat. Race is not always the only criteria, history and shared culture often are just as important.

  187. November 11, 2012 - 11:56 am | Permalink

    I am not convinced that Romney’s defeat was purely to do with race. There is no doubt that the vote was split on race lines, but who, among the 41% of whites voted for Obama, and why?
    How many were turned away from voting Republican with the obvious vote rigging against Ron Paul? How many were turned away by the antics at the Republican Convention when Paul’s delegates were denied standing? How many were turned away when Romney’s crowd changed the rules?
    The Democrats successfully dragged Romney through the mud. He was portrayed as a corporate raider who caused millions of job losses that affected middle and working class Americans. There were stories about him being a drug runner and having relations with a foreign spy in Cuba. There was the 47 binders of women.
    How many potential voters were lost because of the above, irrespective of colour?

    Five years after Larry Sinclair outed Obama there was no dirt on Obama’s alleged drug use and homosexual activity. There was no mention of it at all.
    Many Republicans were still focussed on Obama’s birth certificate.The birth certificate is irrelevant. Romney’s crowd controlled the message, because he too is ineligible under US law. Where, after Obama’s expanding wars while talking of winding down, were the Republicans calling him a failure and promoting peace which is what the majority of US citizens want?

    Elections are usually about voting people out. My view is that as bad as Obama was/is, a sizeable chunk of the 41% voted for Obama because he was viewed as less evil than Romney.
    True Republicans, like Pat Buchanan, have been squeezed out or silenced. While championing free enterprise, their opposition to globalization and soft nationalism has been squashed. Republicans, regardless of their colour, will not win until they can connect, in a meaningful way, with the middle class and, more importantly, working class voters.

  188. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 11, 2012 - 11:55 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I can’t think of any black guys in US politics who would tick all the necessary boxes to be a saleable presidential candidate. As in, acceptable to liberal Whites, to Jews, to Hispanics, to Blacks, to the Media, and so on.

    You’re not South Africa yet, when anyone will do. Who do you have in mind?

    However, all that said, it isn’t clear “minorities” will need a minority candidate. They’ve got the system in place now to get the minority vote out…maybe it’ll work just as well just telling them how bad a Republican win would be.

  189. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 11, 2012 - 11:53 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Alice, you got it.

    We start with secession of the mind. If we try to jump “ahead” of that step, it won’t happen.

  190. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 11, 2012 - 11:51 am | Permalink

    Here’s a link to a couple of “radio shows” that might help rectify the mind in the direction of realizing what is happening, and where to go. In particular, the second “show” by Dana Antiochus.

    http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/the-victory-hour-with-max-french-resistance-is-gentile-with-dana-antiochus/

  191. lanceman's Gravatar lanceman
    November 11, 2012 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    @Dustin, Germanic Warrior:
    I think this is one of the sensible posts on this thread. I am an engineer. The idea that I will pick up my family and move to Idaho to plant potatoes iis , to put it mildly, INSANE.

    The outcome of the election was the best that could be realistically hoped for. Neither candidate had any realistic idea to fix the economy. Which means only the timing of the next, severe downturn is unknown. If Romney had been elected he would be blamed for it just as Bush (with substantial justification) is still blamed years after he left office. The congress is divided. And fewer voters participated. This last comment is particularly revealing as, if I recall correctly, voter participation increased during the great depression.

    The GOP will incorrectly conclude that it needs to reach out to hispanics. What they should do is offer sound economics, lower taxes, no foreign wars and leave the “social issues” to the states. The GOP elite have changed the rules so that anyone offering this doesn’t have a chance. The GOP is a dead man walking.

    If an effective change is going to be accomplished through voting, we would be more effective at the state level. Voting for candidates that will resist state participation in Obamacare, war on drugs, handouts to illegals / anchor babies, environmental nonsense, education etc. in order to push conflict with the federal government to force a constitutional crisis that would lead to a gain in state sovereignty at the expense of federal power.

    The idea that (and I am being optimistic here) of a disappearance of the federal government would lead to a “Mad Max” type of world is unfounded. From what I have seen (Katrina, Sandy), the federal government’s presence is a contributor to the chaos.

  192. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 11, 2012 - 11:42 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    I sure would look smarter if we had an edit function. Sorry again. secede.

  193. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 11, 2012 - 11:36 am | Permalink

    @anarchyst:
    Bravo! Succession of the mind is the prelude to succession in reality. It has already begun. For what it is worth, Facebook has several maps of suggested division and petitions to succeed floating around. The most recent addition is Indiana. In our age of no fault divorce it sees the obvious solution to people who have irreconcilable differences.

  194. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 11, 2012 - 11:30 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Sweet, British, Mickey. What standard does Obama meet? The ability to speak standard English and read a teleprompter well? In fact, blacks are well known for their rhetoric. Jesse Jackson Jr escaped to a hospital to avoid charges of corruption. He has been hiding there building his manic/depressive defense. While in hiding he won re-election overwhelmingly. There are plenty more like him waiting in the wings.

  195. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 11, 2012 - 11:24 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Actually I have had some success in pointing out that this illustrates the double standard which prevails. I honestly don’t hate anyone. I have been willing to make sacrifices and go the extra mile to make up for historical sins. That was 40 years ago. In return, all I ask is the courtesy of reciprocal respect and consideration. It has not been granted.

    The sad truth, which we all try so hard to avoid, is that only whites reject the concept of group guilt. As you referenced in your venting rant, the entire country is desperate to avoid the truth that the South was not filled with crazed, hateful, sadistic rednecks. Jim Crow was actually a relatively kind and sensible system to deal with people who lack the ability or will to govern themselves. Anyone who looks at the statistics will see that it was safer and kinder for blacks then the current regime of mass incarceration which does not put a dent in black on black crime much less black on white crime.

  196. anarchyst's Gravatar anarchyst
    November 11, 2012 - 11:12 am | Permalink

    Physical secession may be extremely difficult in this day and age, BUT, personal and mental secession is already going on. Networking with like-minded individuals (while being extremely careful in “weeding-out” those that might be in law enforcement, government provocateurs and other such criminals) . I have already “seceded”–I do not do business with the “enemy”, those of the “tribe” or blacks. As much as humanly possible, I only deal with “my own kind”. The internet can be a useful tool (so far). With encryption and other safeguards it can be a valuable means of communication. Absent that, amateur radio (either with or without official government license) can be used as an alternate source of communication.
    Welcome to the secession movenent! Secession of the mind may be the only way . . .

  197. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    November 11, 2012 - 11:03 am | Permalink
  198. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    November 11, 2012 - 10:32 am | Permalink

    @Frank Edwin Stone:
    Self-Correction: I meant to say that Reagan intensified the War on Drugs, a precursor of all other assaults on personal freedoms under the Bill of Rights. It was Nixon who started the War on Drugs in 1971.

  199. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    November 11, 2012 - 10:13 am | Permalink

    @Freki:
    Prof. McDonald is wrong and he is right at the same time.

    The Republican Party had never been the white party. It never explicitly stood for the interests of the white group.
    in fact the original grave diggers of white America were the Radical Republicans of the Reconstruction years.
    Thank these Republicans for the 14th Amendment, the 15th Amendment and Negro citizenship. All these so-called Amendments were passed illegally, imposed by force not by consent, just like what was done to defeated Germany in 1945.

    The paleo-conservative, old American wing of the Republican Party, whose face and spokesman is Patrick Buchanan had long been marginalized.
    Was it not Nixon who started Affirmative Action, a massive anti-white racial discrimination government program?
    Was it not Reagan who started the War on Drugs, a criminally insane policy, in open violation of the 10th Amendment, which quickly led to the erosion of the entire Bill of Rights?

    It was the Republican administration of George W. Bush that brought entire tribes from Africa, straight from the trees and planted them in formerly white American cities such as Grand Rapids and Minneapolis, for example.
    The same traitors also deliberately left the the door open for the Mexican/mestizo invasion and even encouraged it more by a planned Amnesty. That Bush Amnesty would be the third such capitulation in 25 years to the Mexican invasion.

    If there ever was a white party, it was the original Democratic Party, the party of the Old South, the party of the Thomas Jefferson and the KKK.
    That old Democratic Party died from internal treason and its final death was marked by the walkout of the Dixiecrats in 1964.

    Whites must first secede from the delusion that the Republicans represent them. Watching Hannity and Marco Rubio and Krauthammer using Romney’s defeat to call for Amnesty for the iIllegal infiltrators a few days ago should open the eyes of even the dumbest of the whites.

    Whites must secede from the Republican Party and form their explicitly own party.
    It is still not too late, because there are still close to a 140 million whites in this country.

    The American Third Position party would be a good vehicle, but its name is a turn-off, I believe.
    It should be renamed American National Front or American Folk Front.

    Unless the whites secede from their illusions and the party that hijacked their illusions, they will cease to exist in 20 years as a viable ethnic group.

  200. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 11, 2012 - 9:17 am | Permalink

    @Bigmo:

    This is something I wrote in anger over on another blog. It is more of an emotional venting than a logical statement. But it sure felt good.

    I wonder if you Whites who were so Anti-South realize you are about to reap a whirlwind of pain? Now that the Dems can get elected without worrying about the White vote, the pain on Whites is about to get MUCH worse. What’s happened so far is but a spring shower. Your children will suffer pain you can’t imagine. But hey, you got strut around and act Anti-Southern and prove you weren’t a “racist”, hope it was worth it. Have fun in your nursing home, as the recent immigrants smother you with a pillow. And your grandchild is being raped by the urban “youth” she was hanging around. You will know the pain of seeing the dark world your offspring will inherit, and be unable to help them. Thanks for nothing, you cowardly generation of Whites who sold your White children out.

  201. DGB's Gravatar DGB
    November 11, 2012 - 9:08 am | Permalink

    @MajikFireHornet: More like Obama getting 5 million fewer votes and Romney maybe 300 thousand more… However, the last part of your post is spot on…the time for talk is over… nobody’s listening.

  202. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 11, 2012 - 8:18 am | Permalink

    WHITES WHO VEHEMENTLY OPPOSSED Abraham lincoln and then the civil rights movements at a time when Whites constituted 90% of the population now realize how good they had it. Just shows tat when you don’t appreciate what you have then worst thigs can happen. Now they are seeing themselves as a minority watching the race debate no more between Whites but between non Whites. The civil war was a complete White affair. It was White fighting Whites about what to do with Blacks, now Whites are no longer the bearers of such debates.

  203. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 11, 2012 - 6:37 am | Permalink

    @Hasbara Matata:

    “I’m not a fan of Sarah Palin, but in one of her speeches back in 2008, she dropped the line “Alaska is the future of America” — or something close to that. It struck me as significant in some way. Her husband was part of an Alaskan secessionist movement at some point, wasn’t he? I’ve always wondered if she didn’t borrow that from something she’d heard him say”

    Wow! That would be so cool…and your speculation is plausible.

  204. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 11, 2012 - 6:28 am | Permalink

    KM wrote of the Republicans “But when they fail in 4 years, they are going to have to face reality”

    It may be a mistake to start calling the end for Republicans quite yet. For sure, in four more years the grass roots ‘machine’ for getting the minority vote out, will still be there and will be even stronger. But Obama won’t be there, and it isn’t yet clear what extent their minority-rousing machine is a fully systemized all-weather solution and what extent it needs a charismatic black/hispanic guy running for president.
    There aren’t that many guys out there at Obama’s standard. It isn’t clear the Dems are willing to go for a permanent minority president.
    I would expect the Republicans can still win the next 2 or 3 elections without major changes in their strategy…all depending on whether Dems have another Obama up their sleeve.

  205. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 11, 2012 - 6:20 am | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    To an outsider much of Western history looks like one deus ex machina after another.

  206. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 11, 2012 - 5:59 am | Permalink

    @Gregor: I don’t see any nexus between Austrianism and different modes of thinking. The Misesian axiom is one of action; man uses certain means to achieve desired ends. It deliberately avoids any interpretation of why those ends might be desired, and thereby avoids this silly artifice of “rational” economic man which plagues the economics orthodoxy today. I don’t doubt Jews think differently than Asians or Causasians, but that has no bearing on Austrian insights.

    Yeah, I hold Bernanke to be genuine in his (erroneous) beliefs, to Greenspan, on the other hand, I attribute greater insight, and therefore greater evil.

  207. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 11, 2012 - 4:58 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Those Starbucks customers also pay a Kosher Tax each and every time they order a cup or mug. Perhaps ‘Mug’ is the operative word!

    Look carefully and you will see a U in a circle (U) printed on every pack of Starbucks coffee. A sure sign of the Kosher tax levy.

    There is also an interesting story behind the Starbucks logo:

    QUOTE: They all have it though – anyone notice Arby’s? Starbucks w/logo ‘Isis’ – with six waves of hair and 5 stars – 65 big in Kabbalah. Not to mention in almost every Starbucks location you can spot the eye of horus somewhere in their artwork….it’s a little game for me. No wonder Howard Schultz won the Zionist Businessman Award in 2010…..he’s pusing it hard!

  208. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 11, 2012 - 4:40 am | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    I would have to disagree. Voting gave America its first-ever Negro president. Voting has empowered US Senators and Congressmen who – in turn – have used their Congressional voting power to flood America with Third World peoples, pass so-called “anti-discrimination” laws, “desegregation laws”, “affirmative action” laws, and so on.

    I hear what you say, and the above quote is fair comment. But, going forward, we need to tread very carefully when seeking to put our faith into the “vote for change” model. It has already been deeply corrupted, and I would be surprised if you are not already aware of this.

    Consider the following:

    It’s Not the People Who Vote that Count; It’s the People Who Count the Votes
    ~ attributed to Josef Stalin (attributed correctly or incorrectly, it matters not)

    See this article about the problems inherent in Diebold voting machines.

    And also this blog on electronic voting:
    http://www.quotesstar.com/quotes/i/its-not-the-votes-that-67471.html

  209. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    November 11, 2012 - 4:29 am | Permalink

    @John Cameron: Hello , this is an interesting a useful observation and it a shame that more people on this blog don’t report on these sort of matters instead of relying on the MSM and internet .Its the small insights that illuminate the general trend .
    Jews and their Masonic toadies control the media so they will do anything to make sure Whity is not frightened by the reality of his situation . Fear is the one thing that will motivate whites to act in their own collective interest and so this information is suppressed AND as usual the opposite is reported or projected to keep White people is state of bewildered guilt , particularly the Older Middle Class , with the money and connections to get the ball rolling .

    As far as the guys in flack Jackets go , what are they going to do open up on a bunch of school kids ? Would portend of something darker? The socialization to a Military State .

  210. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 11, 2012 - 4:28 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott, Is there anything worse than the homos and Starbucks white leftists who dominate entire urban centers in the coastal areas? Sorry I can’t imagine even Jews or any non-Europeans being as repulsive personally, those two groups are at least acting out of self-interest and not areogance/moral self-righteousness. Anecdotal I admit, but the one Jewish gentleman who I counted as a close friend at one time (he had blue eyes and extremely euro features) was much more agreeable than the idealistic white leftists from the NE I have met.

  211. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 11, 2012 - 4:22 am | Permalink

    @Willrush:

    Ellen Hodgson Brown J.D. !!

    Are you familiar with that Lady’s marvellous work?

    http://www.webofdebt.com/

  212. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    November 11, 2012 - 1:33 am | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall: MM: “What is needed is geniuses with mind blowing ideas and solutions. You’ll know them when you see them because they’ll blow your mind.”

    Also known as the Deus ex machina. Now there is a challenge. Something completely different, something to separate the sheep from the thingamayjigs. What if the water barrier up north was removed or overcome somehow and “they” came up and over? That would be a Deus ex machina and certainly solve the racial question. But no. It couldn’t happen. Could it? But it would blow your mind!

  213. Dustin, Germanic Warrior's Gravatar Dustin, Germanic Warrior
    November 11, 2012 - 1:32 am | Permalink

    Kevin, although I respect your work, I think you’re really missing the point here.

    2012’s voter turnout, despite even more measures to make voting easy as well as an unprecedentedly expensive campaign and “get-out-the-vote” blitz costing well over $6 billion, is shaping up to be less than 2008’s, and less than 2004’s or 2008’s percentagewise. The Great Recession has taken its toll upon the entire system, and upon democracy.

    Unlike white nationalists (which I don’t consider myself one of), I don’t see any racial voting bloc as some sort of conquering non-white army, coming to take everything from the “disenfranchised whites”. I’ve seen too much of the realities of the situation on the ground to believe that.

    I take the countervailing view that those who still support democracy, those who still vote for one party or another, are (regardless of their race) the shrinking demographic, and are in the same position as those who still believed in communism in 1989.

    None of the economic problems that cropped up in 2008 have been solved. They are going to come back, and with a vengeance, in a short time.
    At the same time, Traditional Germanic groups (such as the Amish) have a much higher birthrate than any group within the multiculture. They have excellent skill in making crafts that are far superior to the “Made in China” garbage. They are doing much better than the society around them, which is drowning in debt and bankruptcy.

    When the current multicultural bread-and-circus democracy collapses, Traditional Germanics, Finnics, Slavs, Celts, Latins, and other Europeans have to be prepared to recreate the traditional tribal aristocracy of our people. This by no means is going to be an easy task.

    But unfortunately I’m not hearing much talk about that from the mainline anti-multicultural movement. Instead I’m hearing talk about state secessionism to create some sort of “white democracy” in a “red state”. That kind of thinking belongs to the 19th century, not to our time.

    The facts are clear: The system is dying off. Democracy is dying off. The “voting system” is dying off. How do we seize the opportunities that the post-2008 collapse provides for ourselves? That is the question we ought to be asking.

  214. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 11, 2012 - 1:19 am | Permalink

    This is a petition at White House website linked to on Drudge. I

    “Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.”

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-louisiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/1wrvtngl

  215. Sam's Gravatar Sam
    November 11, 2012 - 12:55 am | Permalink

    @Athanasius:
    …”New England and the Upper Midwest (well until Somalis overrun Minnesota)– are also the most brainwashed and multicultural.”…They’re the problem. See Occidental Dissent. They’ll destroy the whole country to keep themselves in power.

  216. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 11, 2012 - 12:41 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Of course we won’t specify WHY Bernanke wouldn’t use the Rothbardian Prism to focus on causality in the Great Depression, will we! Too funny.

    You seem very familiar with Austrian Econ. stuff. I’ve read pretty much all of it, since the early 80’s, and was once addicted to it. I’ve become sober due to seeing Mises system, in all of its internal consistency and beauty, as still just another “Closed System”. His axioms are rather neatly arranged to come to just the conclusions he intends; the hallmark of a closed system.

    But all was not a waste of time. In the opening chapter and intro to “Human Action”, he introduced me to the anthropology of Lucien Levy-Bruhl, who was a French Jew no less, a cousin of Mises, even if a very distant cousin. (wink).

    Levy-Bruhl was the first one to break out the idea of the difference between two categories of thinking, Tribal/Native and Civilized/Logical. Those latter labels don’t do justice though; he broke them down based on “Principle of Participation” and “Principle of Non-Contradiction”. To see more, get his book titled “How Natives Think”.

    Of course, for reasons Dr. MacDonald has laid out for us, the Boasian School has submerged this thinking. It’s not semitically-correct (SC) to have someone running around showing how different kinds of humans actually THINK differently, and create different kinds of societies-worlds which really don’t work well together. Can’t have THAT if we’re all going to live happily ever after in “One World” new-think.

    Of course, Bruhl’s work ties in rather nicely with that of Marshall McLuhan, and a lot of other non-SC stuff. If someone is “into” trying to understand the difference between Judaic Mind and Western (White) Mind, a good dose of Levy-Bruhl will work wonders. Hint: Judaic Mind is based on the Principle of Participation, and has little or nothing to do with actual THINKING based on the principle of non-contradiction. If Judaic Mind shifted toward the latter, it would implode on itself.

  217. November 11, 2012 - 12:34 am | Permalink

    Two comments, one if we cannot stop our men from fighting war for the interest of our Globalist oppressors, then we will not be able to brake free of the Globalist oppressors. Our present fight is to prevent our men from fighting war for the Globalist agenda. That means we must fight to prevent America from attacking and bombing the Iranians back to the stone age. First we must stop fighting wars for our oppressors who plan our peoples destruction.

    Second point, all their power depends on one criteria – remove that mechanism and their power over us will crash – leave them that mechanism and even with succession they would still control and destroy us. That mechanism is the ability to create and loan new money made from nothing. Money made in the name of the national government, but for the use, distribution and loaning ownership of the private bank. 16 trillion was lent to 27 national and international banks from the Federal Reserve in 2008, 2009 2010. You think that amount was first earned and saved. It was made from nothing – spoken into existence, and used to replenish the power of the establishment. Succession would only work is that power was eliminated as fundamental to the new national identity. The creation of the money supply, and so creating money and using to enrich and bind the selected insiders is the critical power and their system’s Achilles heal. It is also immoral to allow a private bank to create money from nothing in the name of the national government. It automatically sets up your children to be slaves, as it what is happening. This is where we have to succeed – from allowing a private bank to create the money supply and so finance the establishment and control the country!

  218. Harlan Markwalder's Gravatar Harlan Markwalder
    November 10, 2012 - 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Concerning Harold Covington, the thing is, you can’t have a conversation on the subject of White secession, without getting personal, when Harold Covington and his writings are involved in the discussion. That’s because Covington’s books are a personal delusion of grandeur and fantasy, where he himself rises up and becomes the Fuehrer of a neo-Nazi Reich that conquers everything from northern California to Alaska, and then goes on to colonize Mars, creating an interplanetary Empire. He is “The Old Man” in the fantasy stories, and that is the nick he uses on his blogs.

    By all means read his books, and if you are a rational, sane White person, you will see that his stories are absurd.

    And since he has been at it since the 90’s, swearing that if enough of us start sending him $10 a month, his Aryan militia will eventually arise out of the woodwork and go forth and conquer, but nothing has happened, then obviously his plan isn’t working.

    And btw, I am not his brother, which is the ridiculous story he is circulating on the pro-White blogosphere. I am an ex-follower of his from the early 90’s.

  219. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 10, 2012 - 11:43 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: Schiff would be interpreting that event through this prism – http://is.gd/egVvoQ
    Not surprisingly, Bernanke would not.

  220. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 10, 2012 - 11:20 pm | Permalink

    @Lombard: Thanks for the interest. I’m just sowing seeds, and this is the only field I’ve found yet that’s fertile enough to hope some of them sprout. If I had my own blog, it might end up being “all about me”, which isn’t what I’m “all about”.

  221. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 10, 2012 - 11:17 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: The best place to start in Latour’s writing is a book called “Science in Action”, and in particular the chapter called “Machines”. It’s all good, but this is where he lays out the structure of networks and how they “sign up” actants and retain loyalty in order to create “Things” with power. You won’t see anything in particular mentioned about “our struggle”, however. It’s about structures of actants and networks, specifically … which is exactly what we’re “doing” imho.

  222. james hamilton's Gravatar james hamilton
    November 10, 2012 - 11:16 pm | Permalink

    @Harold A. Covington: Thank you, Sir.

  223. November 10, 2012 - 10:58 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Although supposedly Bernanke is a scholar of the 1929 Depression, thanks God he is also a person that has succumbed to self-deceit and delusion. The US won’t survive intact after the coming crash of the dollar and Uncle Harold and other revolutionaries elsewhere will have their historical chance.

  224. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 10, 2012 - 10:41 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza:
    TabuLa Raza, so true, universal male suffrage was problematic enough, female suffrage guaranteed what we are now reaping in America and Europe. In that fact, however, lies an important truth, there is nothing wrong with our race that can’t be fixed and we can, and I think will, prevail. We did not become the dominant race on the globe because we are intrinsically weak, we merely made a bad political decision.

  225. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    November 10, 2012 - 10:35 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor:
    Some interesting thoughts there but you should create a website/blog with a more detailed outline of your ideas/visions. Most people in this kind of format just breeze through comments. Put something out there so people can absorb it , meditate on it and give it the attention it needs.

    Certainly more actual ‘brain-storming’ is required at this point of the game instead of just rehashing/modifying the same old plans. The real enemies don’t outfight us, they out-think us and it sounds like you’re on to something.

  226. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 10, 2012 - 10:24 pm | Permalink

    @Marcus:
    Marcus, yes, O will no doubt try to purge the military of patriotic whites but I suspect that O is walking a tightrope there, he knows that support by the military is essential to him and that it is the only credible threat to him.

  227. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 10, 2012 - 10:12 pm | Permalink

    @mark:
    mark,
    “It should be absolutely clear to any White person as of today’s date, there is no peaceful and democratic way for Whites to survive this racial mess we are in”
    is so true. It is surprising to see so many rambling on here about running away to some little corner of the world and somehow being left in peace.

  228. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    November 10, 2012 - 10:05 pm | Permalink

    @Reader:
    I really don’t know what you’re talking about. Yes, I recently commented on Lasha Darkmoon’s blog, to wit on the articles Don’t vote, Oct. 27 and You are voting for your own extiction, Nov. 3, but I never made any anti-White or anti-TOO remark. Please give name of the article(s), date and time. Perhaps you confuse me with another.

  229. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 10, 2012 - 9:43 pm | Permalink

    @Rob:
    Rob, you are correct about the trek to Europe nonsense but your idea that
    “Oh, and speaking of Hitler. You all might remember that he considered the US to be the most ideal country, back when he wrote Mein Kampf, right? Yes, that’s what he wrote in that book. He thought the US at that time had the best balance of personal freedoms and government institutions,”
    is bogus, you won’t find that in anything Hitler ever wrote, he considered America controlled by jews and polluted by blacks.

  230. George's Gravatar George
    November 10, 2012 - 9:30 pm | Permalink

    @90404:

    “Ohio has 40,000 somalis…..they voted in the election.
    Almost half are illegals. ”

    -of course they did, and yes their votes were counted and helped to offset white votes which is part of the Oligarchy’s agenda. My point was that the wishes of the white (now minority) have been ignored and have made no difference in the quality of leadership in the US or the moral direction of the nation for the past 100 years or so. OUR votes do not count. We as the disenfranchised founding stock of this country are “the enemy” to its Jewish leadership. Move to Alaska if you wish, but the Federal government will force the lovely “benefits” of diversity upon you.

  231. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 10, 2012 - 9:29 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor: I like the sound of this Latour, and I’ll have a look at his work. It’s often the myriad fleas, ticks, lice, and the combination of afflictions (kill one, miss one hundred) that most debilitate the fierce wolf, and not a lupine rival.

  232. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 10, 2012 - 9:25 pm | Permalink

    @Sara F:
    Sara F, You are of course correct that women are much better off in white countries, but the irony is that female voting killed the white countries.

  233. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 10, 2012 - 9:07 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: An afterthought: whilst money-printing at some time will show as increases even in the CPI baskets, I’m not totally convinced that the denouement will be hyperinflation, as destroying the currency means destroying the commercial banking franchise. It seems more sensible from the banking cartel’s point of view to have the monetary authorities settle for high inflation, moderated by targeted repudiation of government debt and welfare entitlements. Municipal bonds the mine-canary, then State paper, and finally Federal. No regime that I’m aware of, Weimar Republic, Tsarist Russia, Nationalist China ever survived hyperinflation. If Bernanke doesn’t read history, there are plenty of Blankfeins who do.

  234. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 10, 2012 - 9:00 pm | Permalink

    @celtthedog:
    celtthedog, right, the only sensible solution involves a military takeover, the talk of running away to little enclaves is defeatist nonsense.

  235. George's Gravatar George
    November 10, 2012 - 8:57 pm | Permalink

    @George:

    My comment was directed at the moderator or Dr. MacDonald (assuming they are the same), not Henry. My mistake.

  236. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 10, 2012 - 8:57 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor: PPS: The “thinking” behind this idea of networked nodes is available all over the place, but imho the “deepest” analysis is available in the works of Bruno Latour.

    You won’t find any mention of Whites or what most people here like to discuss. You WILL find a new way of looking at “things”. Latour has breathed a lot of fresh air into metaphysics, so much so that “philosophers” don’t even realize what he’s doing. At least not the ones at the “University” where I live.

    He is THE thinker, to date, about how “reality” is a network of actants, forming “things” that have juice, ie. power. He lays out clear guidelines for how this occurs, can be engineered, and also how to disrupt and take down enemy networks.

    There is no such thing as “peace” in this view of the world; only never-ending struggle of networked objects for supremacy.

    White Supremacy! What’s not to like!

  237. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 10, 2012 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

    ‘Whites but who do not vote like other Whites and do not identify with the traditional people and culture of America.’

    Looky here: 90? % of Us Muslims who voted, voted for the muslim!

    Poll: 85% Of U.S. Muslims Voted For Barack Obama, Romney Got …
    weaselzippers.us/…/poll-85-of-u-s-muslims-voted-for-barack-obama-…
    1 day ago – Poll: 85% Of U.S. Muslims Voted For Barack Obama, Romney Got Only … Were Kicked Out Had 90% Voter Turnout, 99% Voted For Obama……………

    On a note I find humorous [!] 99% of the votes in 13 districts in Philly were for, drumroll, guess who? [link at Drudge].

    Drudge is one of the few honest news aggregators.

  238. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 10, 2012 - 8:46 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor:

    PS: Regarding secession … formation of networks of nodes, using the new media as invisible “rhizomes” to create and amplify identity in the network …

    IS SECESSION!

    This “shape” of a matrix of resistance is the future, the only possible future.

    If there is a “later” in store for us, a “later” which looks something like the “America we once knew”, it will reveal itself as an “intensification” of this network, with empty spaces “filled in”.

    A “frontal assault” strategy to gain control of “centers of power” which are actually a death-trap under the new “nomos of space” shaped by our new media … just won’t work.

    Networks of Nodes = resilient strength.

    Central Control emanating out to Margins = a non-resilient trap easily occupied by others.

  239. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 10, 2012 - 8:39 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor:
    Check the FINAL OBONGO cover.

  240. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    We may have been disenfranchised due to fraud.
    http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd559.htm

  241. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 10, 2012 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    @George:
    Ohio has 40,000 somalis…..they voted in the election.
    Almost half are illegals.

  242. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 10, 2012 - 8:32 pm | Permalink

    There is no way capture PHYSICAL territory, and make it a stronghold, a life-giving space for Whiteness …

    Until we capture the MENTAL territory of Whites.

    We don’t need to own the dying “old media” to do this. We already have access to the LIVING new media, which operates differently and more effectively than the dying old media.

    The old media is dying because it’s still in the mode of “one center broadcasting out to the margins”. The new media is LIVING because it has no “one center”, and has superseded all “one center” medias, and totally changed the “playing board”.

    Under a “regime of an infinity of centers”, the nature of capturing physical space has also changed.

    In the “Nomos of the Earth”, the “order of space”, created under all medias which had a center and margins to direct influence to … “Space” was in big blocks which had to be occupied/controlled by “powers”.

    Under the “ordering of space” that ensues from a media which has an infinity of centers … space which creates “Life Places” for Whites isn’t necesessarily configured in contiguous BLOCKS.

    “Life Places” can be fairly small, and formed in networks. These networks are connected by “rhizomes” of identity-generation via the new media. A constellation of such networked spaces, IS A HOMELAND which has incredible “resistance” ability! Just like the Internet is “resilient” due to it’s network configuration, such a “Network Homeland” is resilient to attack; most of it is invisible, and resistance to “the system” in one node, even if “taken down”, doesn’t crash the whole thing. In fact, the results are instantly telegraphed to other nodes, and measures are taken in them.

    I guess I’m a bit taken aback that many people here still think about “Power” in the same way a country prepares for war by building trenches and pillboxes designed for the last war … all while the “new game” is like the Blitzkrieg was to the Maginot line. My “history” may not be totally accurate, but I think the point is obvious.

  243. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 10, 2012 - 8:31 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: I’m well acquainted with Schiff’s point of view (don’t like his relentless promotion of his brokerage interests, however), but I think you’ll find Hoppe a more polished exponent of the ideas.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBg23AqZlJI

    Bear in mind, that it’s not just the USD that’s off to Hell in a handbasket, it’s all currencies. Think what the Swiss Central Bank did when the CHF was nudging parity with the €. There is coordination amongst central banks (BOJ, ECB, Fed, BOE, PBOC) to save the entire international monetary system, which means the decline will be protracted (unlike the Weimar debacle, which was intense but short-lived).

  244. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    November 10, 2012 - 8:07 pm | Permalink

    If it’s not White it’s not America.

  245. Athling's Gravatar Athling
    November 10, 2012 - 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Excellent piece KM. I am fairly surprised to see so many people questioning secession . What possible alternative could there be assuming we don’t just quietly fade into the sunset of history? Knowing the history of our people I simply do not see white men doing this.

    There exists a fundamental priciple common to all people for all time: no nation can survive racial dissolution.

    You can not allow racial aliens into the geographic boundaries of your nation, watch their population overtake your own, allow them to take over your government — the seat of national power and authority, then expect your nation to survive as a product of the people who created it. Once done, it is nearly impossible to reverse.

    Become a Brazil or secede. In the final analysis those are the eventual choices. Whites must have their own nation to survive as a distinct race.

  246. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    November 10, 2012 - 8:03 pm | Permalink

    MM: “What is needed is geniuses with mind blowing ideas and solutions. You’ll know them when you see them because they’ll blow your mind.”

    Also known as the Deus ex machina.

    Merry Christmas!

    Hold Back This Day

    Sign Sovereign WN State Petition

    The Towers of Eden

  247. November 10, 2012 - 7:48 pm | Permalink

    John de Nugent appeared on Saturday Afternoon with Carolyn Yeager today, where Carolyn asked him about the Northwest secession idea. He said this:

    (Click here for sound.)

    I’ll say this. I’ve been out to the Pacific Northwest many times. Oh God, is it beautiful out there: the mountains, and the beach, and the rocks along the beach. It used to be a lot of beautiful Scandinavians out there as well as a lot of good German-Americans and British stock. And 30, 40, 50 years ago, yeah, when they first were promoting this idea, and you know, Robert Mathews and his Order people … it made a lot of sense back then.

    That area is full of Mexicans today. It’s full of Chinese. It’s full of homos. It’s full of Jews. You know, the area is inundated with Third-Worlders today. Wake up and smell the coffee!

    And the White people there are the most liberal!

  248. concerned's Gravatar concerned
    November 10, 2012 - 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, I messed up the links. Here’s the url to the article wherein Greer’s letter appears: http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/rabbi_calls_for_action/

    And here’s the url to the ADL article wherein the ADL insinuates that there is something wrong or evil about making the very kind of observation that Greer makes: http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/New+Focus+on+Black-on-White+Crime.htm

  249. Reader's Gravatar Reader
    November 10, 2012 - 7:41 pm | Permalink

    @Frankilin Ryckaert, what are you doing here? Less than a week ago on Darkmoons’ blog you we’re condemning this site, something like, and I’m paraphrasing, “they think they’re special because they’re white”.

  250. concerned's Gravatar concerned
    November 10, 2012 - 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Euro-Americans aka “whites” need to be educated. They need to learn that political correctness is cultural Marxism and that there is an anti-Euro-American agenda behind much of what is called PC. They need to understand that this does not require a conspiracy theory any more then one needs a conspiracy theory to observe that termites cooperate to destroy homes. They need to see examples of how this works in black and white and I offer an example in case someone who reads here can make good use of it: We know it’s perfectly legitimate to note that the mainstream media consistently plays down violent black on white crime. Here is an example of someone making just such a legitimate observation: “On Thanksgiving Day, November 24, 2011, at 5:20 PM at the corner of Whalley and Ellsworth Avenues, five black teenagers assaulted a fourteen-year-old high school student of ours, punching and robbing him. The police provided victim services but no resulting arrests or follow-up. Just imagine the headlines, intense police activity, brouhaha and rioting had five white youths set upon a black young man in a like manner.” (Source: )

    And yet the ADL, in an online article titled “New Focus on Black-on-White Crime,” insinuates that the very kind of thing that Rabbi Greer says in the letter I just quoted from is automatically “racist” and “white supremacist” in spirit and thus evil, wrong, immoral, unethical, wicked, etc. (ADL article: )

    Any thinking individual, no matter how liberal, ought to be able to see that there is something wrong when an organization such as the ADL – who include Thomas Sowell and Bill O’Reilly in their insinuating remarks – fails to publicly admit that it is perfectly legitimate for anyone, be they Euro-American or “white,” black like Sowell or Jewish like Greer, to make an empirically verifiable observation about how the media and police et al treat violent crime incidents when blacks attack a non-black.

  251. Darth Vader's Gravatar Darth Vader
    November 10, 2012 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    @immer75@gmail.com:

    Can I join this group or do anything to help them from America?

    I’m sure most people here are, in fact, aware of them.

    A few weeks ago, TOO featured their Youtube video on its site.

  252. Henry's Gravatar Henry
    November 10, 2012 - 7:10 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Hadding, are you really here for honest discussion or just out to get Harold’s goat?

    I mean, criticize his ‘big idea’ by all means but don’t pretend you’re anything other than Will Williams’ debt collector’ at this point in time.

    That hackneyed link you posted (and always post) gives away your purpose.

  253. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    November 10, 2012 - 6:56 pm | Permalink

    George said: “How long would it be, before the US government would respond by forcibly transferring recently arrived Somalis to Alaska just as they did with the state of Maine? Any opposition to such a Federal move would be all the justification that they would need issue Federal Circuit Court injunctions against the newly minted white republic of Alaska so as to insure the “rights” of minorities in that state.”

    Here’s how it might transpire:

    First, Alaska would not be a sovereign WN nation in the beginning – nor for decades afterward, once WN’s seized political control via the ballot box. It would simply be a state that was neither Republican or Democrat dominated, but one dominated by a “third” US political party – the WN Party (or whatever name white nationalists decided upon) As such, a legally-acquired control of Alaska by WN’s would not give the Federal government justification to deny it that control – much as that fact would burn them.

    As for importing Somalis, okay. Bring them. Just let them know that the WN Alaskan government will do everything legally possible to make migrating to Alaska a living hell for them. I’m sure clever, legally-minded people on this blog could come up with some measures that would accomplish that. So…non-whites would be granted their “rights”, therefore, no such cause for a Federal invasion would exist.

    “ You can’t vote change into being- it has been tried unsuccessfully for the past century or so.”

    I would have to disagree. Voting gave America its first-ever Negro president. Voting has empowered US Senators and Congressmen who – in turn – have used their Congressional voting power to flood America with Third World peoples, pass so-called “anti-discrimination” laws, “desegregation laws”, “affirmative action” laws, and so on.

    Certainly voting often fails, so I understand your point. But I believe the Federal government has left itself vulnerable in regard to Alaska. It is their political Achilles heel. As such, I contend that WN’s can exploit that vulnerability, should they ever choose to do so.

    “Either you use tried and true Jewish tactics to buy influence (money and sex for power) or you use force. Revilo Oliver said it best : “force or the credible threat of force is all that matters and diplomacy is only effective if backed up with the threat of force.”

    Certainly there is some truth to this. Even so, the fact remains: IF pro-white Americans come together and realize that a huge chunk of America can be legally seized by migrating there and voting themselves into office, they could credibly alter the entire state government in, perhaps, as little as twenty years of rigorous legislation. Now, the Jews back in Washington DC might well shit their pants, but I’m convinced they could do nothing, unless they literally threw the Constitution out the window, invaded Alaska, and violated every known law of the United States of America. Maybe they would do that, but I don’t think so.

    Hold Back This Day
    Sign Sovereign WN State Petition
    The Towers of Eden

  254. Hasbara Matata's Gravatar Hasbara Matata
    November 10, 2012 - 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Lots to consider, and surely others have considered it more thoroughly; but size and land mass; climate; natural resources– like oil; an outlet to the sea; and etc. make Alaska a great candidate. It seems to me the drawback for Alaska would be the threat that Russia and China could pose, particularly if the United States– and potentially the rest of the world– were in enough confusion, and they saw the it as an opportunity for expansion. Perhaps Russia would be interesting in being good buddies. Or perhaps Russia might be interested in being such good buddies that they would come for a friendly visit and never leave.

    Also of note is that the upper Midwest– like Montana, Kansas, etc.– has hundreds of, um, “deterrents” planted in the ground. Their presence alone could be enough to ensure a WN state’s survival. (And I don’t doubt that our government has got a plan in place for just that contingency already.)

    I’m not sure Alaska offers the same; but I will admit that it’s more attractive than the Pacific Northwest in just about every other way.

    I’m not a fan of Sarah Palin, but in one of her speeches back in 2008, she dropped the line “Alaska is the future of America” — or something close to that. It struck me as significant in some way. Her husband was part of an Alaskan secessionist movement at some point, wasn’t he? I’ve always wondered if she didn’t borrow that from something she’d heard him say.

  255. WardKendall's Gravatar WardKendall
    November 10, 2012 - 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Sandman said: “@WardKendall: That’s not a bad idea. The oil and minerals would be a big issue but P.R. gets to vote on independence, so why shouldn’t we?”

    Puerto Rico is very apropos to this idea. Yes, the two-bit non-white cesspool of a Caribbean island is debating whether to join as the 51st US state…or completely ditch us for good, and become a free, sovereign country. Wow. What power to guide their collective future those Puerto Ricans have – a power being currently denied to we whites.

    Must it always be so?

    I’ve given this idea a lot of thought, and it’s become pretty clear that IF white nationalists want to bloodlessly seize control of some territory for themselves WITHOUT incurring an F-16 attack against us, or US Marines gunning us down as “domestic terrorists”, then what better way than to seize legal control of the state of Alaska?

    As you made reference to, Alaska’s mineral wealth is enormous. It possesses ample energy sources. Trade with Russia could be accelerated, considering that its eastern border just falls short of butting up against Alaska’s west. A trans-Bering Strait pontoon highway connecting Russia and a WN-controlled Alaska might one day be built, making it easier to invite white Russian immigrants over. The possibilities are certainly there.

    But, again, I make this proposal for the sole purpose of establishing the fact that other ideas are out there that WN’s should consider. Let’s hope they do.

    Hold Back This Day

    Sign Sovereign WN State Petition

  256. November 10, 2012 - 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Dear Dr MacDonald,
    Thank you for your bright work and efforts.

    Here are some tactical suggestions in the american ground in this dark hour, as I’ve read someone has come up with a comment on Golden Dawn. When it comes to european politics, far more important than greek Golden Dawn (although it being a blessing), is http://www.generation-identitaire.com/. This is the group that occupied the mega-mosque of Potiers, an unprecedented action in France (and I would say in the whole of Europe):

    http://www.generation-identitaire.com/quelques-images-brutes-de-loccupation-de-la-mosquee-de-poitiers/

    They have got a very clear strategy, ideological body and symbols (the Spartans Lambda that they wore in their shields). Again, as for America, I am sure you would need to reach out for other historical references, but the point that I am trying to make is that with that symbol, they are being pan-european (supra-state), creating a unifying effect, a european-wide solidarity.

    What is more interesting: it effectively appeals to young ones, succesfully. Any movement that does not atract youngsters to its ranks, doesn’t have much future. -and they are creating a true camaraderie.
    I don’t know if TOO has already made any analysis on the consequences of that specific action. I understand that the muslim population in the US is not so large as in Europe.
    On the other hand, I am not too good at american politics, but secession doesn’t sound to good to me. Here in Europe, with the ongoing economic crisis we are seeing attitude changes in the general population which you wouldn’t even have dreamt of a year ago. So, not an inch, not a chance.

  257. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    November 10, 2012 - 6:05 pm | Permalink

    @Truth:

    “…white Americans and Europeans did everything in their power to have Palestinians dispossessed and ethnically cleansed in the creation of Israel…”
    “…white Americans – especially conservatives – …were overjoyed at their oppression and displacement…”

    I think you make things up. Most Americans and Europeans simply didn’t know what really happened when Israel was created. They naively believed what the Jews told them, which is that the Arabs attacked them without provocation to “drive them into the sea” and that (some) Palestinians fled their homes on the instigation of the Arab leaders. It is only much later that the truth about the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians became known, but only to those who took the trouble to study the history. Many Americans and Europeans still believe the official Zionist Lie. It is ignorance, not malice.

  258. George's Gravatar George
    November 10, 2012 - 6:04 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    “So if we really were serious, and conducted a seminar on this issue, it could be solidly determined that the political seizure of the entire state of Alaska is absolutely possible, without any bloodshed at all. Once seized, a WN influenced government could drastically alter most of its laws, and those it couldn’t, it could make life very uncomfortable for those who were in opposition. ”

    How long would it be, before the US government would respond by forcibly transferring recently arrived Somalis to Alaska just as they did with the state of Maine? Any opposition to such a Federal move would be all the justification that they would need issue Federal Circuit Court injunctions against the newly minted white republic of
    Alaska so as to insure the “rights” of minorities in that state. This would be followed up with force if necessary. You can’t vote change into being- it has been tried unsuccessfully for the past century or so. Either you use tried and true Jewish tactics to buy influence (money and sex for power) or you use force. Revilo Oliver said it best : “force or the credible threat of force is all that matters and diplomacy is only effective if backed up with the threat of force” (paraphrased, as I can’t find the link at the moment).

  259. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 10, 2012 - 6:04 pm | Permalink

    @Truth:

    Truth – sorry for those comments they were beyond the pale

  260. November 10, 2012 - 6:03 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    That’s an easy one. Go to my blog (WDH, not the appendix) and click on the category “currency crash”. In a nutshell, Schiff’s predictions about the coming collapse of the dollar are spot on. But that doesn’t mean that an ethnostate should be run on libertarian principles.

  261. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 10, 2012 - 6:02 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: The anaemic New Hampshire Free State Project shows the difficulty of achieving political autonomy by geographical concentration. (The fact that the NSHFSP’ers haven’t encountered serious heat gives a clue to its seriousness as a threat to the sistema.)

  262. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 10, 2012 - 5:58 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Sorry, we get loud and angry.

  263. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 10, 2012 - 5:57 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius:
    If we scoff it is because we don’t know how to do what is required of us. We have been fleeing the problem for decades. We know how to do that. We do not know how to stand and fight.

    The truth is that we get load and angry here because we do not do it elsewhere. We know that any change is going to be difficult and unpleasant. How many of us are willing to show disapproval in social situations? I am not suggesting brutal attacks or insults or career threatening rants simply the old fashioned social freeze. We must begin somewhere. Calmly speaking about the divide in this country as a fact which must be addressed by mature people is a great place to start.

  264. November 10, 2012 - 5:56 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    What is needed at this stage is a White Nationalist Summit, with individuals like Harold Covington and others appearing and presenting their ideas…

    I agree, Ward. And those who have not read any of his novels, here there are some excerpts of the best one.

  265. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    November 10, 2012 - 5:53 pm | Permalink

    @WardKendall: That’s not a bad idea. The oil and minerals would be a big issue but P.R. gets to vote on independence, so why shouldn’t we?

  266. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 10, 2012 - 5:48 pm | Permalink

    @WardKendall:

    “What is needed at this stage is a White Nationalist Summit, with induhviduals like Harold Covington and others appearing and presenting their ideas, ”

    What is needed is geniuses with mind blowing ideas and solutions. You’ll know them when you see them because they’ll blow your mind. Who was that guy who cracked the German code? Turing.
    What sort of code breaking algorithm would be a game changer for us? Probably something to do with the stock and money markets, along the lines of consistently transfering huge wealth away from those we don’t want to have it, to those we do want to have it.
    Oh, it’s coming baby yeah

  267. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 10, 2012 - 5:47 pm | Permalink

    @WardKendall:

    “What is needed at this stage is a White Nationalist Summit, with induhviduals like Harold Covington and others appearing and presenting their ideas, ”

    What is needed is geniuses with mind blowing ideas and solutions. You’ll know them when you see them because they’ll blow your mind. Who was that guy who cracked the German code? Turing.
    What sort of code breaking algorithm would be a game changer for us? Probably something to do with the stock and money markets, along the lines of consistently transfering huge wealth away from those we don’t want to have it, to those we do want to have it.
    Oh, it’s coming baby

  268. WardKendall's Gravatar WardKendall
    November 10, 2012 - 5:17 pm | Permalink

    “Secession? You have to be kidding me. Do we really think a bunch of rag-tag militia are going to be able to go up against the tanks and unmanned aerial drones of the government? That wouldn’t be a fight at all, it’d be a massacre.”

    I agree. An armed insurrection would almost certainly fail. The reasons for being so are exhaustive. So, rather than mount an armed WN insurrection, consider that approximately 250,000 explicitly pro-white adults could legally vote themselves into control of an area of land 2,500 miles wide and 1,500 long. Vote – not capture by military force. The place is Alaska, a state that, even by world standards, would be considered a large nation. Yes, it is cold. But then, that doesn’t stop 30 million people from living in Canada or millions more in northern Russia. As for climate, the winters in the extreme southern part of Alaska are milder than such US states of Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, Michigan, Montana, and so on. That’s right – less cold.

    So if we really were serious, and conducted a seminar on this issue, it could be solidly determined that the political seizure of the entire state of Alaska is absolutely possible, without any bloodshed at all. Once seized, a WN influenced government could drastically alter most of its laws, and those it couldn’t, it could make life very uncomfortable for those who were in opposition. Besides, unlike the Pacific Northwest, Alaska is a rock-solid bastion of Republicans. That makes the job of political seizure far easier than trying to seize control of a liberal, Democratic bastion like the PNW.

    I present the case of Alaska not because I’m running off to it. I present it for one primary reason: to demonstrate that talks of a Northwest American Republic, a Pioneer Little Europe, or other such ideas of that nature, though possible to realize (to varying degrees) are not even the best possible plans available to us.

    What is needed at this stage is a White Nationalist Summit, with induhviduals like Harold Covington and others appearing and presenting their ideas, demonstrating how to initiate them, and then subjecting themselves to intense scrutiny and questioning. Same goes for the spokesmen of the PLE plan, and other such proposals. Can these plans bear peer review? Some might, but I’m pretty sure others would not. Anyway, afterwards, the videoed outcome of such a Summit would be YouTubed for all WN’s to see and consider. I believe doing so would help push us beyond the Internet stage we as a movement are currently stranded at.

    HoldBackThisDay

    The Towers of Eden

    Sign Sovereign WN State Petition

  269. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 10, 2012 - 5:15 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: Just out of interest, how do you reconcile antipathy for Keynesianism with its German incarnation, NS? And you know that Peter Schiff is an adherent to the Austrian School?

  270. November 10, 2012 - 5:15 pm | Permalink

    “Secession? You have to be kidding me. Do we really think a bunch of rag-tag militia are going to be able to go up against the tanks and unmanned aerial drones of the government? That wouldn’t be a fight at all, it’d be a massacre.”

    I agree. An armed insurrection would almost certainly fail. The reasons for being so are exhaustive. So, rather than mount an armed WN insurrection, consider that approximately 250,000 explicitly pro-white adults could legally vote themselves into control of an area of land 2,500 miles wide and 1,500 long. Vote – not capture by military force. The place is Alaska, a state that, even by world standards, would be considered a large nation. Yes, it is cold. But then, that doesn’t stop 30 million people from living in Canada or millions more in northern Russia. As for climate, the winters in the extreme southern part of Alaska are milder than such US states of Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, Michigan, Montana, and so on. That’s right – less cold.

    So if we really were serious, and conducted a seminar on this issue, it could be solidly determined that the political seizure of the entire state of Alaska is absolutely possible, without any bloodshed at all. Once seized, a WN influenced government could drastically alter most of its laws, and those it couldn’t, it could make life very uncomfortable for those who were in opposition. Besides, unlike the Pacific Northwest, Alaska is a rock-solid bastion of Republicans. That makes the job of political seizure far easier than trying to seize control of a liberal, Democratic bastion like the PNW.

    I present the case of Alaska not because I’m running off to it. I present it for one primary reason: to demonstrate that talks of a Northwest American Republic, a Pioneer Little Europe, or other such ideas of that nature, though possible to realize (to varying degrees) are not even the best possible plans available to us.

    What is needed at this stage is a White Nationalist Summit, with induhviduals like Harold Covington and others appearing and presenting their ideas, demonstrating how to initiate them, and then subjecting themselves to intense scrutiny and questioning. Same goes for the spokesmen of the PLE plan, and other such proposals. Can these plans bear peer review? Some might, but I’m pretty sure others would not. Anyway, afterwards, the videoed outcome of such a Summit would be YouTubed for all WN’s to see and consider. I believe doing so would help push us beyond the Internet stage we as a movement are currently stranded at.

    Hold Back This Day

    The Towers of Eden

    Sign Sovereign WN State Petition

  271. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 10, 2012 - 5:15 pm | Permalink

    @Concerned Hispanic:

    Thanks for the post. What happened to Argentina is a tragedy and it is the pattern we can expect here in the US. Except it will be worse here in the long run.

  272. November 10, 2012 - 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Oops. Awaiting moderation once more… When my comment is released, pay special attention to what Pierce wrote: “Doesn’t the old fool understand that the American people voted themselves into the mess they’re in now?”

  273. November 10, 2012 - 5:10 pm | Permalink

    @mark:

    I fully agree with what you say and would only add that it is high time to rethink in what Pierce said in his great novel:

    Since then he has been issuing idiotic proclamations about “restoring the Constitution,” and holding new elections to “re-establish the republican form of government intended by the Founding Fathers,” whatever that means.

    And he has denounced our radical measures in the south as “communism.” He is appalled that we didn’t hold some sort of public referendum before expelling the non-Whites and that we didn’t give individual trials to the Jews and race-criminals we dealt with summarily.

    Doesn’t the old fool understand that the American people voted themselves into the mess they’re in now? Doesn’t he understand that the Jews have taken over the country fair and square, according to the Constitution? Doesn’t he understand that the common people have already had their fling at self-government, and they blew it?

    Where does he think new elections can possibly lead now, with this generation of TV-conditioned voters, except right back into the same Jewish pigsty? And how does he think we could have solved our problems down here, except by the radical measures we used?

    For more exemplary quotations of the Diaries see here.

  274. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    November 10, 2012 - 4:58 pm | Permalink

    The way I read the above essay of Dr. MacDonald, he is not talking about escapism, or fantasy, but, about political reality.

  275. Concerned Hispanic's Gravatar Concerned Hispanic
    November 10, 2012 - 4:51 pm | Permalink

    You can’t expect that my people miracously change their minds to vote with common sense, our nations literally were born in “independence wars” that were all about “redistributing wealth” (actually stealing other’s money), the effect of multicultural demographics has been proven in hispanic america for 2 centuries, we had 2 first world countries Argentina (early XX century) and Venezuela (1950s) that became third world because they paid for the immigration and births of leftist voters (liberals as you call them), and althought leftist politicians ruin their countries ten times the next election people vote for the same or for ideas further left.

    This is a pattern that repeats all over the world, you see migration of people from darker to whiter regions in México from south to north, in Argentina from North to South, from Africa and Middle East to Europe, in Brazil from north to south, etc. and the people that arrive never behave, live and vote like the people of their new homes, in fact in our societies there’s a never ending race to offer more and more benefits to get elected.

  276. Molly's Gravatar Molly
    November 10, 2012 - 4:28 pm | Permalink

    @JoeHobby:

    Thank you, Joe. I’ll have a look.

  277. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 10, 2012 - 4:23 pm | Permalink

    @Truth:

    Jeez Truth….are you going to look your great granddaugher in the eye and say “you have to get raped and murdered by a gang of somalis because your ancesters (just like everyone elses ancesters) did some bad stuff”.
    Well ok Truth…if you feel ok about that, you go right ahead. But don’t forget to look her in the eye. Send her a letter maybe to be opened on her 13th birthday from beloved Grandfather Truth.

  278. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 10, 2012 - 4:19 pm | Permalink

    This is so frustrating. Something like 30 million whites voted for Barack Obama. Many of these people are concentrated in white areas–the Northwest, Upper Midwest, New England. I love the idea of a a state for white people, but the tools required to obtain this go well beyond self-sufficiency and military training.

    So while I don’t think it is a mistake for some people to be pursuing this, it is only one prong of what should be a three pronged attack.

    The second prong is raising ethnic awareness among whites. I’m not sure if this “mantra” business is all that effective, but we do need to develop effective propaganda somehow.

    To wit, the third prong–we MUST undermine the poles of anti-white elite power (and they are largely Jewish). We must undermine monolithic anti-white power in the universities. We must undermine monolithic anti-white power in the transmission of information (the news media). We must undermine anti-white power in the field of arts & entertainment. We must undermine anti-white power in banking. Doing these things will do us more good than 100,000 people moving out to the Columbia River basin.

    I’m not sure why everyone here scoffs at this.

  279. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 10, 2012 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

    In my previous comment @Richard, which appears to be stuck in moderation, I complimented Mark on his writing:

    “It’s easy to read because it lacks a lot of the unnecessary mental noise that is so common on the internet these days.”

    I want to add that I hope I didn’t give others the impression that I believe my mind and comments are free of that “mental noise”.

    It’s probably a part of everyone and their comments to some degree, because we live in a seemingly chaotic society/culture. Fortunately I think I have significantly less mental noise in my mind and my writing than I did several years ago.

    I hope others will forgive me if my clarification here is unnecessary.

  280. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 3:03 pm | Permalink

    This is of tremendous importance to the disenfranchised White male.
    http://lewrockwell.com/peters-e/peters-e261.html
    And this shows what Lincoln thought of Blacks. Well, Lincoln wasn’t ALL bad.
    http://lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo241.html

  281. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 10, 2012 - 3:02 pm | Permalink

    I agree snapperhead, but we can’t just tell them that, we need to cut off benefit programs so they will have to choose between starving and moving north to bleed our lefty friends in Vermont and Mass. dry. Maybe a natural disaster could help, after Katrina, many blacks didn’t care enough to return. There was also a white influx, but mostly of idealistic northern kids.

  282. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 10, 2012 - 2:58 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    Great point, Bobby. One of my most effective questions is “When we are the minority what evidence is there that minorities will treat us as well as we have treated them?” I have yet to meet anyone who has a reasonable answer. Most people just looked confused.

  283. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 2:51 pm | Permalink

    @snapperhead soup

    Thanks a lot!:) That has already happened anyway. But read Chittum.

  284. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 10, 2012 - 2:50 pm | Permalink

    @Gary:
    Perhaps Obama as Napoleon and celebration of our demise is their last hurrah ? Or perhaps they have moved to an online version?

  285. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 2:49 pm | Permalink

    When I read postings here or at amren.com I get the impression that most of the posters at these sites have never read Thomas Chittum. If most of you have read him, it seems like you do not believe his assessment. Perhaps I am wrong but it looks that way. I recommend his first book.

  286. November 10, 2012 - 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Secession can’t work due to reasons of geographical diversity. Notice that many of the whitest states in the North voted for Obama while some of the most ‘diverse’ states in the South and SW voted for Romney. Southern red states have a lot of blacks, and Texas and Arizona have a lot of browns.

    For secession to work, southern whites should goad all southern blacks to move to the north. Southern whites should spread propaganda to blacks that northern states are full of freebies, goodies, jobs, and services for Negroes. If blue state liberals love Negroes so much, I say let them have them.

  287. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 10, 2012 - 2:22 pm | Permalink

    @mark:

    Thanks for the in-depth response.

    (Even though I don’t assume you wrote it just for me.)

    Your writing, even if I might disagree with some of it, is usually very clear. It’s easy to read because it lacks a lot of the unnecessary mental noise that is so common on the internet these days.

  288. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 2:21 pm | Permalink

    @Jonny Africa
    I did not support it. I doubt that many readers of TOO did. If they did, they regret it now. I saw what was happening. There was a lot of propaganda aimed at the American people through popular media like the first two Lethal Weapons movies. A Zulu infestation is a serious problem. Same with Marxist infestations.

  289. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Now the GOM (Government of the Mexicans) is calling for amnesty. I wonder what they would think of losing all of the white vote completely. They should lose it. Anyway, vdare.com has debunked the ridiculous claims that more Mexicans and amnesty would strenthen the Republican party.
    http://www.vdare.com/

  290. Truth's Gravatar Truth
    November 10, 2012 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Let’s put it this way. We should be happy for the long-suffering Palestinians. Palestinians didn’t hurt or attack Europe or White America. They were just minding their own business. But white Americans and Europeans did everything in their power to have Palestinians dispossessed and ethnically cleansed in the creation of Israel. Palestinians had to pay the price of ‘white gentile sins against Jews’. And when Palestinians called out for sympathy and help, white Americans–especially conservatives–sneered at them and insulted them and were overjoyed at their oppression and displacement.We all supported the Jewish/Zionist ethnic cleansing and dispossession of Palestinians and patted Jews on the back.

    But in Europe and America, Jewish elites have engineered new demographics that will do to whites what was done to Palestinians. So, all of us whites who laughed at Palestinian suffering at the hands of Jews are now gonna suffer the same fate… at the hands of the Jews.

    There is a kind of poetic justice to this. We deserve it in a way for supporting the terrible oppression of a totally innocent people. We cheered Jewish destruction of Palestine. At the very least, Palestinians can cheer the Jewish destruction of white America(and of course, South Africa).

  291. November 10, 2012 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Okay, at the request of one of the TOO moderators, I will re-post the essence of the comments of mine which went missing yesterday.

    The common received wisdom that “the Northwest is full of liberals” is untrue, but like all myths, there is some basis to it in fact. Washington and Oregon did not go blue for Obama, SEATTLE and PORTLAND went blue for Obama, and took the rest of the state with them. These two huge and minority-heavy cities skew everything out of proportion. For example, the 2010 census lists Washington as only 89 percent White, but almost all of that is in Seattle. Remove Seattle, and you’ve got a state that is somewhere high in the 90th percentile for White population; ditto Oregon.

    There are, of course, a few blue spots (like Eugene, home of the University of Oregon) and Yakima (center of the apple-growing industry, hence mucho Mexicans), but in the main these are predominantly White states, and the contaminant population could easily be dealt with, should a small number of White men ever recover their ancient courage sufficiently to get proactive again.

    The relationship between these two vast megalopoli and their virtually all-white hinterlands in the rest of the state is about like the relationship between upstate New York with NYC and downstate Illinois to Chicago. Normal White people are out-media’ed, out-moneyed, and outvoted, although not outgunned, if and when it should come to that.

    It can be done here, my friends. Not without blood, sweat, and tears, but it can be done.

  292. Truth's Gravatar Truth
    November 10, 2012 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Buchanan was ahead of his time on seeing the demographic demise of whites. But he was also ahead of his time in taking up Palestinian Rights to get even with Jews.
    Paul Craig Roberts and Taki are also for Palestinian Rights, as is Kevin MacDonald. All ahead of time as visionary conservatives.

    Mainstream conservatives pooh-poohed Buchanan, but many are now agreeing with him on demographics. I hope most conservatives will come around to take up Palestinian Rights too. We’ve been telling the world that Jews and Israelis are our dear friends while Jews have been telling the world that white conservatives are EEEEEEEVIL.

    Divest from Israel. Arrest Israeli spies. Let us remember USS Liberty.

    And down with movies like TAKEN and TAKEN II. Jewish liberals say it’s ‘racist’ for white men to be protective of white women from Indians and blacks in movies like SEARCHERS and BIRTH OF A NATION. But Jewish Hollywood makes movies like TAKEN where white males are encouraged to kill a whole bunch of Muslims who kidnap and rape white girls!! I suppose Muslims-as-rapist-abductors of ‘pure white girls’ is NOT ‘racist’ as long as it rouses up white rage against the ‘muzzies’. This is so much bullshit. In fact, Israel is the capital of white slavery in the world. Ask all those Slavic women forced to work in Israeli brothels.

  293. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    November 10, 2012 - 1:57 pm | Permalink

    I looked at the Taylor video. In fact, President Ape-bama was elected by the ladies.

    >>>Women’s suffrage over time

    By John R. Lott, Jr.

    “If we took away women’s right to vote, we’d never have to worry about another Democrat president. It’s kind of a pipe dream, it’s a personal fantasy of mine, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.”

    —Ann Coulter, Oct. 2 New York Observer

    http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/WashTimesWomensSuff112707.html

  294. Bill's Gravatar Bill
    November 10, 2012 - 1:38 pm | Permalink

    @Heather Blue:

    I have noticed postings on other forums from people in the blue states who have been predicting a secessionist movement.. They just can’t wait for the chance to put Johnny Reb down again for good. Don’t give them the chance.

  295. Snowhitey's Gravatar Snowhitey
    November 10, 2012 - 1:33 pm | Permalink

    “Good point about the military stuff. A heads up on the military aid and foreign mercenaries, learn and practice yoga. That way when your foreign “allies” take over your country, you can bend over and kiss your ass goodbye! :)”

    You misunderstood me. I never referred to them as allies. We are doomed. Might as well bring the monster down with us.

    Since the U.S. is so imbedded in the destruction of the Middle East, why not adopt its tactic. The enemy of my enemy may not be my friend but he can be my useful idiot.

  296. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 10, 2012 - 1:26 pm | Permalink

    @Chad Johnson, not sure if you’ve been to the south lately, but I live here and see little cause for optimism.

    @Heather, if that did happen, La. would be another banana republic, dependent on oil & gas, agri, and tourism. Not to mention the burden of a near majority black/mixed population. Now if the entire south seceded, it would be a viable nation, but I don’t think there’s much common cause. Even in 1861 there were many areas that opposed secession.

  297. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 10, 2012 - 1:24 pm | Permalink

    @90404: I’m waiting for a cover on one of the “newsmags” which asks:

    Is America Anti-White?

    Think I’ll have a long wait? LOL.

  298. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 10, 2012 - 1:12 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Jason just said something very important …

    … We swim in such an ocean of Anti-White hate we don’t even sense it. …

    Those reading this blog already know that, but our White brethren don’t. Getting them to “see” this is what’s meant by the term “wakeup”.

    Why can’t they “see” and “wake up”? What is the technology that must be used to move them in this direction?

    It’s the “sea” of words, terminology and the ideology created by these which doesn’t allow this anti-White hatred to be revealed to them.

    Since Whites really ARE a very “nice” kind of people, when we’re confronted with the term “pro-black” (Think: NAACP), or organizations fighting FOR the rights of “People of Color”, we naturally don’t see a problem with other groups wanting to be what they are, on their own terms. This is part of our “niceness”.

    This terminology acts like a kind of smokescreen that hides the “other face of Janus”, the anti-White face that’s embedded in the pro-(fill in the blank) face.

    This is why language is important, and why some of the things I introduced on the previous thread are worth considering. This “sea of language and words” is the GROUND which sort of defines “what we are”. “What we are” is the FIGURE on this GROUND.

    Think of two pieces of paper, one white, and another a darker, non-white color. If you take that darker piece of paper and cut some shape out in the middle of it, then put it on top of the white piece of paper, what do you “see”? You will see two things, but depending on how your mind is constructed you may see only one, or at least see that first.

    The white shape may POP out as a figure, even though the shape was cut in the darker paper. Our minds usually “see” the white shape that pops out in relief due to the shape that was “cut out” in the GROUND of the dark paper. We tend to call that white shape a “THING”, even though it’s a sort of optical illusion created by the differential between the tones of the two pieces of paper.

    Let’s make this a metaphor, and say that how Whites (the white paper) are made to APPEAR to the world, is at this time not so much a function of what we “are”, as it is the result of shaping that darker-toned GROUND so that we “pop out” in a manner that is NOT what we really are. This has consequences because people only “see” the shape left BY the cut-out in the dark field. Ie. The darker-toned GROUND literally CREATES US in a certain way.

    But what that “cut-out” creates is not us at all. Most of “us” is actually hidden from view, behind the darker paper. We don’t even see ourselves, under these circumstances, but only see what the GROUND has delineated.

    Our work must be centered on the GROUND, and changing it. No matter what we say or do, if we’re working on the piece of white paper obscured by the nature of the GROUND, nobody sees us.

    To (finally!) relate this to Jason’s comment, our task is to not allow the current GROUND to define us by only revealing us as a shape that nobody likes. This “evil whitey” shape TAKES SHAPE because terminology is encoded in a shape that is upside-down, and PRE-DEFINES reality in an anti-White manner, as well as hiding the anti-White nature and thrust of our foes.

    Our task is to “flip” this over, and “re-code” all that “nice” pro-black, pro-etc. stuff in a manner that SHOWS OUR PEOPLE that this is essentially all anti-WHITE.

    It all starts with a sound, with a word.

    These sounds and words have the effect of placing the darker sheet of paper on the bottom, and then taking the white paper and cutting out a shape in it. That shape now “reveals” a shape on the dark piece of paper beneath it. That shape is “anti-White”, and no longer “pro-Black”, etc. etc.

    By words, by imposing OUR “cut-out” shape on the anti-White paper, we reveal them for what they are to our fellow Whites.

    ONLY when Whites are treated to this vision, this vision of the “real shape” of anti-Whiteness, will they “see” and “wake up”. No IQ facts, no analysis of current news, and no amount of whining about what “they” are doing to us will have this effect.

    It’s all about revealing the anti-White in the “Woodpile”.

  299. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 10, 2012 - 12:40 pm | Permalink

    @Harold A. Covington:

    Harold just keep posting.

  300. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    November 10, 2012 - 12:19 pm | Permalink

    The day after the election Louisiana sent a petition to Washington to secede from the Union. Will this start the ball rolling?

  301. Gary's Gravatar Gary
    November 10, 2012 - 12:17 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Didn’t Newsweek go belly up?

  302. November 10, 2012 - 11:59 am | Permalink

    For whatever reason, several substantive replies to questions about the Northwest Imperative which I posted yesterday have not appeared here, although two short comments have.

    The comments from “Hadding Scott” and “Harlan Markwalder” (both pseudonyms of Induhviduals whose real identities are known to me) probably demonstrate why. Any time I appear on any public forum, the same three IP addresses keep showing up, screaming and shouting abuse like some deranged Greek chorus, and it eventually destroys the thread. I get it. Dr. McDonald wants to run a proper discussion forum for intelligent adults, not a zoo.

    I hope he will indulge me by clearing this final post, after which I will not attempt to participate again. Virtually every objection to the Northwest Imperative can be met, and has been discussed, and expounded in detail in my work, either in the Northwest independence novels or on Radio Free Northwest.

    The starting point is http://www.northwestfront.org Everything we need to know to secure the existence of our people and a future for White children is there.

  303. chad johnson's Gravatar chad johnson
    November 10, 2012 - 11:31 am | Permalink

    @Michael Hill:

    Amen….The only reasonable place to do this is where we tried once before, and where the heart of the White race and America still beat strong. Dixie.

  304. Harlan Markwalder's Gravatar Harlan Markwalder
    November 10, 2012 - 10:57 am | Permalink

    @Harry H:

    The 3 way split you described is a lot closer to the demographic reality than Covington’s odd cobbling together of the liberal NW coast States with the conservative NW interior States. Only problem is the Red State-Blue State maps are an oversimplification. There are actually only 16 States in which the vote is a 60% – 40% split or wider margin. Hawaii, which is about the least White American State, is the only State in which the Democrat vote was 70% or more, and of Course Washington DC, which is a black city, voted over 90% Democrat. Utah, which is the “capital” of Mormonism, is the only State to have voted 70% or more for Romney.
    So in 34 States, the vote split is only 50 something to 40 something percent. Even in California about 4 out 10 voters voted for Romney. The national popular vote split is only 61,683,851 for Obama to 58,489,000 for Romney. So it’s actually more like the nation as a whole is about evenly divided, with some regions leaning slightly one way most of the time, and other regions leaning the other way most of the time, with a whole lot of flipping back and forth. In a situation like this, trying to figure out precisely how to carve up the turkey would be a very difficult task.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-election-results/

  305. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 10, 2012 - 10:21 am | Permalink

    @Hasbara Matata:
    I share your sentiment about the timing of the Lincoln pic. Most of the real power and influence the Feds have over local affairs is the ability to grant or withhold funds. They are running out of money. Power will devolve back to the states. It will not be sudden, dramatic or violent. In the meantime we should all work to encourage the idea as a perfectly reasonable alternative to a divided country.

  306. bannister's Gravatar bannister
    November 10, 2012 - 10:17 am | Permalink

    Kind of off-topic, but as a long-time Ron Paul supporter, I just want to tell the GOP “I TOLD YOU SO!”

    Ron Paul WOULD have won. Because he would have 1) received ALL of the votes Romney got (the white Republican vote) PLUS he would have gotten 2) a much larger share of the white youth (the anti-war vote) and even 3) a slightly larger share of the non-white vote

    Ron Paul was the GOP’s last chance at the presidency and THEY BLEW IT.

  307. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 10, 2012 - 10:14 am | Permalink

    @Hedgerow:
    Lets hope it is an omen of the future. We stay – they go under.

  308. Rudd's Gravatar Rudd
    November 10, 2012 - 9:56 am | Permalink

    I gotta a better idea. Since all the jews want is our whole country well give it to them. But first we’l throw them out of Israel & make that the new White homeland. We make peace with the Palistians the Arabs will love us.
    The weather is good we’d have plenty of nukes to protect ourselves & we reverse the imigration policy to Whites ONLY.

  309. Rudd's Gravatar Rudd
    November 10, 2012 - 9:35 am | Permalink

    Secession yeah right Dr. MacDonald is probably enjoying this pot stirring. A3P all the way right doc?

  310. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 10, 2012 - 7:27 am | Permalink

    Ragnar Lodbrok kindly posted an excerpt of this interview with Yuri Bezmenov. I imagine most here would have already seen it, but it’s still a classic in realpolitik.

  311. Georges's Gravatar Georges
    November 10, 2012 - 6:52 am | Permalink

    @JPLex:

    Most of us do not speak Russian and are too old to learn (new languages are best learned when in adolescence). Also Russia has strict immigration limits (very sensible of them) and is extremely nationalistic – we would not be welcome even though we are white- the eternal failing of whites is our lack of ethnocentrism. Our race SHOULD be our nation, but it is not.

  312. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 10, 2012 - 6:44 am | Permalink

    This is a repost of an article just put up on BUGS. It’s by a poster named Cleric Preston about the situation in India:

    Everybody says there is this ‘Caste’ problem…..

    Some time back, I had a brief exchange with an Indian girl (sub-continent type) after literally being cornered at the church I attend. I was polite and courteous and bolted for the door the second I realised where, she dreamed, this was heading. A few weeks later I was at a dinner party, where a missionary back from India was proudly telling us how he made a ‘break-through’ by getting natives of different villages and different castes to inter-marry.

    In White countries, Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says the Final Solution to this RACE problem is for the 3rd World to pour into EVERY White country, and ONLY into White countries, and for us to ‘assimilate,’ i.e inter-marry, with all those non-Whites.

    We’ve been here before. The Aryans of White India accepted that the Final Solution to the RACE problem was to ‘assimilate,’ i.e inter-marry with all those Black Dravidians. Today India is the ‘melting pot’ of ‘blended humanity’ that statistically predicted, at least, is our own future.

    But the Anti-Whites won’t just stop with turning White countries Brown.

    In India, Everybody says there is this CASTE problem. Everybody says the Final Solution to CASTE problem is for the white-ish high caste Indians to ‘assimilate,’ i.e inter-marry with all those Darker, lower castes.

    Anti-Whites are freaking out right now, among other things, about the possibility of the high-caste Indian population getting a handle on designer babies and pumping out designer Aryans by the millions, just at the time when they’ve flooded EVERY White country with 3rd Worlders, who we’re expected to breed with to ‘blend humanity.’

    I often have Anti-Whites tell me in exchanges on youtube, ‘It’s not genocide, your genes will live on.’

    No they won’t, not this time. The Anti-Whites won’t be content to leave a pocket of white-ish high caste neo-brahmins anywhere on Earth in case they eventually work out how to do this designer baby thing. Only ‘we’, or rather ‘they’ won’t work it out, because without the decendants of the Aryans who White-flighted out of Ancient India they would never have reached the stage to research designer babies.

    ‘Blending humanity’ IS the Final Solution to the RACE problem, after that comes the Final Solution to the CASTE problem, then comes the Final Solution to the……

    Anti-Whites will not stop until any rogue White DNA is deleted from the yellowish-brown Orc gene pool.

    Your genes will not live on.

    If we screw this up there won’t be a second chance.

  313. Georges's Gravatar Georges
    November 10, 2012 - 6:43 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: @Mary Thomas:

    “And we saved these ungrateful a**holes from the Nazis? What were we thinking? ”

    – In that war WW2, Jews did what they have always done best (and also did in WW1): incite one group of whites to attack another group of whites and destroy them. Its a win-win for the Jews in many ways. The arms manufacturers (largely Jewish owned) make money. The Jew bankers make money, and more whites (their enemy ) die. All this thanks to our very weak or possibly non-existent ethnocentrism.
    I’ve said this before on this and other forums, but it bears repeating: the so-called “greatest generation” were not great in any sense of the word. Possibly the greatest generation of dupes that ever existed, yes but that is all. It was that generation of fools that cost our race the loss of much of its prime genetic material in the form of fit and intelligent young men killed in battle against their racial brethren for the benefit of our common enemy- the Jew.

  314. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 10, 2012 - 6:33 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Yes that last line is great. It reminds me of a line from the movie Gladiator:

    Ultimately, we’re all dead men. Sadly, we cannot choose how but, what we can decide is how we meet that end, in order that we are remembered, as men.

  315. Jonny Africa's Gravatar Jonny Africa
    November 10, 2012 - 6:23 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Your woes started in South Africa in 1994 and you all supported it and never thought it would happen to you.
    Follow the link to see what’s coming your way!
    http://ajkraad.wix.com/genocide-museum

  316. November 10, 2012 - 5:31 am | Permalink

    Note this: Obama got 10 million FEWER votes than he got in ’08 yet still defeated neo-con Zionist stooge Romney who, in turn, got 2+ million LESS than McCain in ’08. What do these simple facts tell us? That HardRight white males are now deserting the Republicrat Party in droves, a party which (given the victory of the Brown Tide in Florida) is no lionger even a national party…and that the entire political Center in America is collapsing. SPAIN, 1936. Coming at ‘ya. Weapon up, keyboard commandos.

  317. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 10, 2012 - 5:06 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Hear hear. We have shafted our descendents so badly I can hardly bear to think about it. It makes me physically sick. I can feel my body groaning at the thought and the energy flow out of me. Just this thought will literally shorten my life unless I start to make a lifes work of fighting back for them.

    KM’s last sentence says the most

  318. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 10, 2012 - 5:02 am | Permalink

    And one of the problems of believing the enemy is all powerful is that we rob ourselves of the morale boosts that would/should come when the enemy experiences a defeat.
    Obama’s election was a defeat FOR the neoconservative/Israel end of the Jewish world (i.e. not the American Liberal end). The neocon/Israel ideology is the rising force while the liberal is the waning. For that reason Obama coming to power was a MAJOR DEFEAT for the power that WNs of tomorrow will be facing.

  319. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 10, 2012 - 4:58 am | Permalink

    @Jaego: No…there is currently a serious problem of disunity even within the Jewish world. WNs aren’t very good at seeing it because too often on some level they buy into the idea of omniscience. So…if there is a major divide, as there was during the election just gone, WNs overwhelmingly explain it in terms of a ‘set up’. Which is very self-defeating.
    Sometimes it is a setup, and sometimes it isn’t. It’s a case by case thing. But I don’t think WNs come to this as a case by case thing. The implicit belief/assumption is all-powerfulness.

  320. Hasbara Matata's Gravatar Hasbara Matata
    November 10, 2012 - 4:26 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    While the government is strong secession is an impossibility. It would have to come out of a pre-existing crisis; the federal government would have to be confused and disorganized enough that it would be unable to respond.

    Secessionists with no interest in anything other than survival and freedom from the multicult police state would be labeled “terrorists.”

    Sort of tangential, but not really: I don’t question one bit the reasons for Stephen Spielberg’s latest creation being about Lincoln. His timing is perfect.

    They aren’t going to let us just walk away, even if all we are interested in is our survival as a distinct people. They’ll have us multicult and caramel-colored– or dead, just like our great national savior, Abraham.

  321. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 10, 2012 - 4:25 am | Permalink

    @90404 Yes, I expect a major effort to “diversify” the military from the the JCS to enlisted men, but I’m not sure how far it can go if the left has any desire to maintain it as a proficient instrument. Look at S. Africa, they had a very small, but effective and feared defense force during apartheid. Some units were natives, with white officers, eg the famed 32 battalion: black troops can be effective under European leadership. However a majority black or mestizo military with an affirmative action hierarchy would be a recipe for disaster, they simply don’t have the sense of responsibility and duty or composure under fire. The end result would be a band of paramilitary thugs good for intimidating political enemies and little else.

  322. mark's Gravatar mark
    November 10, 2012 - 3:55 am | Permalink

    @Richard:

    I wrote earlier today:

    “When there are more parties that represent White interests, including ones that have economic programs more similar to National Socialist Germany, you will see the Republican Party evaporate into thin air. That’s what we should be pushing for, not a party that represents only a few.”

    Richard replied:
    Hi Mark

    Wouldn’t that kind of party/economic program work only in a society that is already White?

    Well, yes, it would work as it is supposed to in an all-White society, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be pushing for the formation of such parties NOW. Once we decide that we want to push hard enough to establish White areas, whether that’s a piece of what is now America, or the entire country, these parties can be established, though they will be low-profile and won’t accomplish much at that point.

    And I’ll state the obvious: I’m talking about parties that are National Socialist in their core beliefs, not National Socialist in their outward appearance.

    Remember, these “small government” people are going to be doing everything in their power to prevent the birth of such parties because their core beliefs are diametrically opposed to these parties. I believe, however, that once there is some political party/parties for the majority of American Whites to affiliate themselves with (those whose interests are not served by small government), they will do so. The Republican Party, and any other party that is similar ideologically, will dry up like dog crap on the street and just blow away. Those parties serve the interests of only a few.

    As you know, however, I don’t see things happening this way. I believe we are looking at a couple of decades of guerrilla warfare which will at its outset be carried out by individuals gradually coalescing into larger and larger formations. As victory is in sight the White political parties will become more visible.

    It should be absolutely clear to any White person as of today’s date, there is no peaceful and democratic way for Whites to survive this racial mess we are in. We have to start thinking about alterative ways, ways that are unpredictable to the enemy.

  323. Jaego's Gravatar Jaego
    November 10, 2012 - 3:30 am | Permalink

    Are the Elite completely unified? Some say that the old school CFR, Bilderbergers, etc resent the Jewish Neo Cons for delaying World Goverment with their favoritism towards Israel.

  324. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 2:56 am | Permalink

    A poll shows that most Israelis favor discrimination against Palestinians.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9628155/Israelis-favour-discrimination-against-Arabs-poll.html

    In science news, an earthshaking study shows that a majority of dogs will chase a cat if given the opportunity. Scientists are amazed!

  325. JPLex's Gravatar JPLex
    November 10, 2012 - 2:33 am | Permalink

    You white americans should just accept the inevitable and leave your country.

    You conquered it, you made it, but you made the mistake of embracing the Jews and now you pay the price.

    Do the right thing and come back to Europe. Russia is still WHITE. Real white. Not blemished, but WHITE. And it is rich, richer than your bankrupted Jew-led country.

    Russia is the last hope of White Man. In USA you are doomed, history, a joke.

  326. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 10, 2012 - 2:29 am | Permalink

    I heard Bill Maher say that this election was really about White people losing power. Then he cracked a joke about how White people are dying off. The audience roared it’s approval.

    I am not sure what the naysayers about the term Anti-White or White Genocide are looking for. No Anti-White will probably come out and SAY they are for wiping out Whites and use the term ‘genocide’. But this is as close to an admission as you will ever get.

    Imagine if a White guy won an election, and someone said, “well this was about Black people losing power. And isn’t it funny that Black people are dying out”, who among us would have any doubt that the speaker HATED Blacks and wanted to see them wiped out?

  327. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 10, 2012 - 2:26 am | Permalink

    @White Diamond:
    New term to me. Certainly Portlands a SC that refused to work with Feds or HS.

  328. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 10, 2012 - 2:24 am | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    Sites like ‘SBPDL’ make a point of noting this. Go there for more info, if you have not been.
    They have a list or lists.

  329. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 10, 2012 - 2:21 am | Permalink

    @Marcus:
    Which is why Hollywood’s version of it is female and non White!
    And Bill Clinton [see Drudge, link may be still up]:
    MILITARY LESS HOMOPHOBIC, MORE DIVERSE.
    They have scrubbed words like terror’ and all things anti muslim.

  330. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 10, 2012 - 2:17 am | Permalink

    @Hedgerow:
    The rich have Gated communities, private schools, and Mexicans have replaced colored maids and nanny’s.
    See the ‘nanny killer’ in Manhattan. Since shes from the islands I figured she d be Black, but I was wrong.

  331. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 10, 2012 - 2:15 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    It has gotten bolder and bolder…but now its bye bye for that sht rag.
    I get it and Time confused but covers have been f–king unbelievable. ‘How racist is yr baby’?
    ‘Is US islamophobic’?
    See their new Obama cover online.
    The recent issue [I did not buy] had a puff piece on Lincoln
    [timed for the mu-slime messiahs election] with BHO looking at a pic of Abe, saying how much he loves honest Abe.
    No mention of BHO removing a bust of Churchill from the WH [winny was a colonialist].

  332. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 10, 2012 - 2:10 am | Permalink

    Wow, 145 comments in a few hours.

  333. JoeHobby's Gravatar JoeHobby
    November 10, 2012 - 2:07 am | Permalink

    @Molly

    One spot for results for all candidates is
    http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=486001&ShowAllCand=Y

    You may have to Click the the More Candidates link in the middle depending on which candidate you are searching for.

    We just need more networking in the real world and let the dynamics flow from that. It is time to have the Internet/Web just be a tool rather than the only environment in which we operate.

  334. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 1:50 am | Permalink

    @Snowhitey
    Good point about the military stuff. A heads up on the military aid and foreign mercenaries, learn and practice yoga. That way when your foreign “allies” take over your country, you can bend over and kiss your ass goodbye! :)

    Americans and anyone who wants to maintain their freedom had better do their own dirty work.

    P.S. We are already dealing with Isreali and other foreign intervention here. We don’t need any more. I bet you that Mossad is monitoring this site right now.

  335. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 1:41 am | Permalink

    P.S. It kind of reminds me of Clinton and the dirty dress and the dirty dress preserver. They got Clinton for what his wife should have gotten him for doing. Then they let him off for illegal technology exchanges to China! Top secret technology sold to China! go figure!

  336. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 1:38 am | Permalink

    @Athanasius
    Good points. I’m not holding my breath. We are dealing with organized crime cartels. I have never been a supporter of Petraeus, some call him Betrayus. It is possible that nothing is too big a crime to cover up. Were you talking about Petraeus’ wife? I don’t know what she looks like. Is she worse than Mrs. O.? Sometimes with the behavior of these people and sometimes even their appearance, you can almost forgive David Icke for his reptilian sojourn:)

  337. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 10, 2012 - 1:36 am | Permalink

    @fender: The fact remains though that Jews own nearly all of the media in Europe, as well as much of the banking, and have intermarried with much of the European elites. The process of flooding the continent with non-whites is well underway.

  338. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 10, 2012 - 1:32 am | Permalink

    @Rob:

    So what’s your suggestion? America is 40% non-White. It’s filled with people who hate us, and more come in every day. The government and media openly proclaim their hatred of us. All this talk of secession is just silly: the government would easily obliterate any secessionist movement. In fact they’d probably consider secessionists terrorists.

    You say we’re freer than Europe. Yeah, right now we are. You think that’s going to last? And which do you think has the better chance of turning things in a pro-White direction, America or a European country? We need to think about the future, not the present.

  339. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 10, 2012 - 1:32 am | Permalink

    @starera: Oh, do tell.

  340. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 1:31 am | Permalink

    This is very important for people like us and at 4:14 you can see why you should protect your identity while engaging in controversial discussions such as the discussions here.

  341. Molly's Gravatar Molly
    November 10, 2012 - 1:27 am | Permalink

    When there are more parties that represent White interests, including ones that have economic programs more similar to National Socialist Germany, you will see the Republican Party evaporate into thin air. That’s what we should be pushing for, not a party that represents only a few.

    I voted for a third party, but I can’t find out how they fared nationally. Does anyone have a link that shows election results, and includes third parties?

  342. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 10, 2012 - 1:26 am | Permalink

    @Ragnar Lodbrok: Don’t hold your breath on that one.

    A few observations:

    1) Have you seen how his wife looks? And her father was the commandant of West Point… That tells us something about Petraeus’ career.

    2) The media keeps harping on him like he is the greatest military mind since Alexander. Which is curious, since Afghanistan is a disaster.

    3) They’re trying to tell us that the chief SPY of the American government was brought down by being caught with his pants down!?!?!

  343. Snowhitey's Gravatar Snowhitey
    November 10, 2012 - 1:25 am | Permalink

    “The Afghan and the Iraqis are kicking our asses with guerrilla tactics, just the way we beat the British.”

    I’m willing to bet there’s a pile of countries who would be willing to send mercenaries and supplies to assist us!

  344. Rob's Gravatar Rob
    November 10, 2012 - 1:03 am | Permalink

    fender wrote:

    “Migration back to Europe is the best answer. Cut your losses and head back to the homeland.”

    Although I often find myself agreeing with your comments, on this one I have to LOL.

    Like the vast majority of Americans in the so-called “White Nationalist Movement” (or whatever it wants to call itself today) you’ve never been to Yurrop, have you?
    (A two-week visit doesn’t count. A one-month visit doesn’t either and neither does a 2-year, 3-year or 4-year military stint.
    Marry a European man/woman, with the resultant European in-laws and regular visits to-and-fro for a few years and maybe you can have a somewhat informed opinion on things.)

    This vast majority doesn’t realize that America is still, despite of everything, by far the most free country on earth, especially in regard to personal freedoms and the ability for a person to live their life as they see fit.
    They have absolutely no understanding of the INHERENTLY OPPRESSIVE nature of the hierarchical European societies, even under the best of circumstances, .
    I said, EVEN UNDER THE BEST OF CIRCUMSTANCES, which you can define in whatever rose-colored glasses you want.

    Let’s take a hypothetical example.
    Let’s say that in the near future there appeared, both in North America and in Europe, two strong, pro-White regimes who ruled over their respective continents.
    Even under such a scenario, the two regimes would still be vastly different.
    In a nutshell, the American one would still be a regime that ruled by and with the consent of the governed. That is, unless the majority of White citizens approved of it, it wouldn’t and couldn’t exist. In short, in America, the INDIVIDUAL determines the fate of his government.
    Europe, on the other hand, would be a top-down old-style dictatorship – no further description necessary.
    In Europe, the government determines the fate of individuals. And it’s not just governments that determine this, it is also – and perhaps even more so – entrenched societal structures that historically favor the haves over the have-nots, or at least make sure the haves retain what they “have”, regardless of what happens around them.
    Even Hitler had to content with the monied German classes for his support, something over which there was quite a struggle within the NSDAP, many members of which leaned more to the “Socialist” half of National Socialist.

    The notion that disenfranchised White Americans could simply pack their bags, get on a plane and be welcomed with open arms in Europe is fantasy.

    Also, the notion that NAZI-style politics could ever succeed in America is also fantasy. People who say or propose this are nothing short of loons. This cannot and will not happen in anyone’s current lifetime.

    Then there’s Russia, of which it is sometimes said that it could be a destination for White Americans.
    Do the people who say this at all realize how corrupt Russian society is? Not unlike most Europeans, Russians screw one another and sell their grandmothers to the highest bidders every chance they get.
    Although Russia is by far the largest and richest country on earth, they are among the poorest of industrialized societies. In fact, vast parts of that country cannot even be considered industrialized, as their day-to-day living conditions have barely entered the 20th century.

    The other week, something happened that made me think about this.
    A friend of mine had to return an item she bought erroneously at CostCo, the warehouse wholesaler. All she had to do was bring the item back, no questions asked, She didn’t even need her receipt because her purchase was on record because of her membership.
    Could something like this be possible in Russia, I wondered? In all likelihood no. In Russia, if you mistakenly bought two half-gallons of dishWASHER detergent instead of dishwashing liquid, tough cookies.

    This may be a silly-sounding example, but it is what makes life easy in the US.
    Being able to walk a quarter mile down the street to a supermarket loaded with fresh fruits, vegetables, milk and all other necessities of life is still something that is hard to find in many parts of Europe, let alone Russia.

    Anyway, the notion that the average American WN can simply move to Europe and fit into their class-structured societies is total fantasy. It is an impossibility.
    David Duke may be able to do it, but then I don’t know who’s paying his bills. Also, he’s somewhat famous within the circles he seems to move, which is not something that would be available to anyone else.

    Oh, and speaking of Hitler. You all might remember that he considered the US to be the most ideal country, back when he wrote Mein Kampf, right?
    Yes, that’s what he wrote in that book. He thought the US at that time had the best balance of personal freedoms and government institutions.

    And this is what I think most of US actually want, the country as it was during the first half of the 20th century.

  345. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    November 10, 2012 - 12:59 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Newsweek is old, Jewish, and history. Its failed print edition is ceasing publication.

  346. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 10, 2012 - 12:55 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I compeltely agree with you about Obama winning through the strategy of promising a “little something to everyone”. Sounds great. It sounds about as great as what was promised after the communist revolution, in which the communists indeed gave everyone A “LITTLE” something.

  347. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 12:52 am | Permalink

    P.S. He was less pessimistic about our chances than many of the posters here. Of course he may be affected by his first-hand hands on participation in the Yugoslav civil wars but that would have nothing to do with our discussion, right?

  348. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 10, 2012 - 12:51 am | Permalink

    @Sara F: Sara, congradulations for being a woman that gets it !! It amazes me, when I think white woman believe they will get a fair break, when they are in the minority. I’ve seen how fair they are to white women, in all kinds of situations. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

  349. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 12:49 am | Permalink

    Thomas Chittum did a really good analysis of secession in his book which you can download online for free. He also did an excellent demographic analysis as it pertains to this topic and other excellent analyses, to boot.

  350. Harlan Markwalder's Gravatar Harlan Markwalder
    November 10, 2012 - 12:47 am | Permalink

    @Harold A. Covington:

    I find it interesting, that with your opening sentence in this discussion, you waste no time in violating the comment policy of this blog. I.E. “Comments that include personal insults…”

    Criticism of your ideas is not people dancing naked around a campfire, as part of a homoerotic ritual worshiping the goatman entity, Pan; which is what you have explained elsewhere is what you mean by “Goat Dancers”; and goes back to the early 90’s, when you originally accused the WCOTC, a pro-White org critical of you, of literally doing this.

  351. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 12:47 am | Permalink

    @White Diamond
    November 9, 2012 – 10:51 pm | Permalink
    “@fender: @Harold A. Covington: @Harold A. Covington:

    Oregon and Washington went for Obama. Isn’t Washington a sanctuary state? The only northern promise I see is Idaho.”

    How much of Washington& Oregon went for Obama? Which parts. Probably the Seattle area and the Portland area. If the illegal aliens are voting, the entire Walla Walla and Yakima areas might support Obama. Spokane probably went for Romney. Who do you think the people who hold the countryside support?
    Have you ever noticed how much the ziomedia demonize the country folk? Why do you think that is? Three reasons, at least.

  352. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 12:39 am | Permalink

    Correction, I didn’t understand what you were doing because I didn’t see an @:

  353. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 12:36 am | Permalink

    @Bob Wallace

    The second part of your posting about the military feasibility contradicted the first part. The second part made a lot of sense.

  354. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 12:26 am | Permalink

    P.S. The recent removal of an admiral, a general, and General Petraeus are apparently related to Benghazigate. Petraeus was scheduled to testify in an investigation of Benghazigate and the general and admiral apparently tried to defy orders and send Spec Ops to rescue the Embassy/CIA personnel. This is really big and could spell the end of the Barry Soetoro/Obama administration of injustice.

    We may be moving out of Zimbabwe due to the dictator’s over-reaching and hubris!

  355. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 10, 2012 - 12:19 am | Permalink

    Keyword: Benghazigate
    Benghazigate will enable the revenge of the disenfranchised white males.

    The Obama administration is heavily involved in coups and color revolutions. In Libya, the Obama administration used AL QAEDA as an ALLY to topple and kill Khaddafi. Strangely, (unless you have studied the AL QAEDA terrorism issue thoroughly), the U.S. government is involve heavily with A Q in Libya and now in Syria. Al qaeda is heavily involved in the program to remove the government of Syria from power. A Q and other rebels in Syria, many or most of them foreigners, have committed mass murders and framed the, admittedly not so nice, Syrian government for the murders of THEIR OWN (the Syrian governments) supporters!
    In Benghazi the American ambassador was captured, raped, and killed by the same AL QAEDA degenerates that they had supplied and aided in removing and killing Khaddafi! The Oba Mao administration had been requested on many occasions over a period of months to provide much more security for the Libyan embassy and personnel. Then Barry Soetoro blamed the whole thing on a bunch of protesters who we are supposed to believe had spontaneously arrived, ARMED WITH RPGS AND OTHER ADVANCED AND SOPHISTICATED WEAPONS! Barry Soetoro claims that this was all due to what is apparently an intelligence operation to create Muslim anger over a poorly done movie about Mohammed done by a questionable character. I can’t give hyperlinks for all of this but perhaps I will be allowed one interesting video about it.
    THIS COULD CONCEIVABLY BRING DOWN THE USURPER ADMINISTRATION WHICH HAS NASTY PLANS IN STORE FOR YOU! YOU MUST PUT PRESSURE ON YOUR LEGISLATORS!
    http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/11/06/benghazigate-good-god-almighty-did-obama-and-cia-arm-terrorists-who-murdered-our-ambassador/
    I’m not crazy about Beck but this is true and I’m not crazy about ABC et. al. either and I will use info from them from time to time (with a grain of salt).

  356. November 10, 2012 - 12:18 am | Permalink

    @White Diamond:

    I’d like to reply, but apparently my posts are no longer being accepted at TOO.

  357. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 10, 2012 - 12:09 am | Permalink

    I do not think succession is impossible nor do I think it must be violent. As the country becomes more and more divided, as Congress becomes more dysfunctional, the more we are required to acknowledge that we cannot live together. We need not dissolve all ties, merely return to local and regional authority and responsibility. As the sytem continues the long, slow decline this will happen by neccessity.

    In any event, simply introducing the concept to the conversation will strengthen our case.

  358. Longing4abetterworld's Gravatar Longing4abetterworld
    November 9, 2012 - 11:45 pm | Permalink

    @Fenria: agreed

  359. Longing4abetterworld's Gravatar Longing4abetterworld
    November 9, 2012 - 11:43 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    Gotta agree…go back to the homeland. But is that giving up? Seems we always joked about sending THEM back to Africa, but now it’s Asia, India, Africa, etc….
    I wonder how long my nest egg would last me in Italy…I could be happy as long as there is golf there…I know I could eat & drink well, and cheaply…

  360. KM_reader's Gravatar KM_reader
    November 9, 2012 - 11:31 pm | Permalink
  361. Bill's Gravatar Bill
    November 9, 2012 - 11:29 pm | Permalink

    @Bob Wallace:

    In Afghan and Iraq American soldiers are not using scorched earth tactics.

    In domestic incursions with the Feds, look to none other than General Sherman for your answer.

  362. Wodansthane's Gravatar Wodansthane
    November 9, 2012 - 11:23 pm | Permalink

    I think the model that is most likely to be replicated in a secession/revolution event is Hungary 1956. Revolts are most likely to be initiated by those who feel that they have nothing to lose, i.e. white males 18-25. The problem the elites here face is that there are no tanks to roll in from neighboring countries sympathetic to the powers in charge.

  363. Snowhitey's Gravatar Snowhitey
    November 9, 2012 - 11:13 pm | Permalink

    The people who are destroying white America – and the rest of the Western World – will do anything to retain power and control. And, if it takes small nuclear devices or biological weapons to do so, they will do so. They enrich themselves through the control of natural resources, monopolistic corporations, and – most importantly – government.

    Do not underestimate madmen. They are destroying great nations without doubt or guilt. They are capable of anything!

  364. celtthedog's Gravatar celtthedog
    November 9, 2012 - 11:13 pm | Permalink

    @Bob Wallace: Er, Bob, “we” beat the British because France & Spain joined the fight against them. As did the Dutch. No-one is going to help a white secessionist movement. Ask the Rhodesians.

  365. Fenria's Gravatar Fenria
    November 9, 2012 - 11:12 pm | Permalink

    It’s PLE time. It has been for some time now. Time to stop complaining that we’re not being represented in the US and time to start building our own societies here that DO represent us. The US is not going to do a 180 and go back to the way it was 150 years ago. If we want a country that reflects our needs and views, we’re going to have to build one, or many most likely. Time to circle the wagons around majority white towns and claim them as our own.

  366. celtthedog's Gravatar celtthedog
    November 9, 2012 - 11:09 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Many thanks!

  367. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 11:06 pm | Permalink

    @Sandman:

    I heard a writer from Britain say that when foreigners come to America, it is quite obvious to them how much hatred there is toward Whites coming from Blacks and other groups. He was talking about Blacks in his example. Watch black comedians, or TV shows or commercials. There are endless insults directed at Whites. This isn’t whinyness by the way, just to head off that old canard. I will probably live out my life fine. But there are these things called “children” being born all the time and I worry about the world we are leaving them.

    We swim in such an ocean of Anti-White hate we don’t even sense it.

  368. celtthedog's Gravatar celtthedog
    November 9, 2012 - 11:04 pm | Permalink

    @Dirk: I think you’re reading more into my comment than I actually said. My point was simply that the US military is not invincible. If you want discussion on guerrilla war, talk to Covington. He knows more than I do.
    But on a not entirely unrelated note, as it happens, I read a lot of leftie blogs too (because I need to know what the enemy is thinking). They quite regularly express concerns about the fact that the US military is overwhelmingly right-wing in sentiment (what a surprise) and they don’t trust it as far as they can throw it (which is by no means a foolish position). James Howard Kunstler, to give one example, is in perpetual fear that a US general will sooner or later mount a coup d’etat (I don’t see that — I’m just giving you an example how much the left trusts the US military).
    As it happens, I think US forces fought much harder against Afghans than they would against their fellow Americans — particularly if they felt any sympathy for their position. Historically, armies have turned on their political leadership. That is a fact.
    If push comes to shove, I’m not certain the US military (or at least chunks of it) will prove as loyal to a government determined to destroy the historical American nation (to use the VDARE term) as some here might think.

  369. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 9, 2012 - 10:59 pm | Permalink

    @mark:

    “When there are more parties that represent White interests, including ones that have economic programs more similar to National Socialist Germany, you will see the Republican Party evaporate into thin air. That’s what we should be pushing for, not a party that represents only a few.”

    Hi Mark

    Wouldn’t that kind of party/economic program work only in a society that is already White?

    On an unrelated note: I sense that really love White people, much more than I (and others) have given you credit for.

  370. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    November 9, 2012 - 10:57 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: How about, “you’re young, Latino, and not smart enough…you’re extraneous.” That would not be allowed. When I see this type of anti-White diatribe being “normalized” it also reminds me that millions of non-Whites are being encouraged to hate us and see us only as a dehumanized enemy. A world where Whites can never be right. Heads they win, tails we lose. It’s the normalization of hate.

  371. White Diamond's Gravatar White Diamond
    November 9, 2012 - 10:53 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Europe is overrun with darkies.

  372. White Diamond's Gravatar White Diamond
    November 9, 2012 - 10:51 pm | Permalink

    @fender: @Harold A. Covington: @Harold A. Covington:

    Oregon and Washington went for Obama. Isn’t Washington a sanctuary state? The only northern promise I see is Idaho.

  373. Sara F's Gravatar Sara F
    November 9, 2012 - 10:40 pm | Permalink

    It’s so disappointing to know that such a huge number of my fellow white women support a party that is actually destrpying their future. So many of them take their cues from MTV and whatever some celebrity says, it’s voting based on emotion rather than rational choice. Women seem to forget that it is only in White societies that we have gained some measure of eqaulity. Look at Sweden and Denmark and then look at African countries, Asian countries and Latin American countries. Women live in nightmare conditions. Even within America women are placed in a shit position within the strucure of minority families. White women who believe otherwise are jusf so programmed to bate their own kind that it’s hard to believe sometimes.

  374. A3P's Gravatar A3P
    November 9, 2012 - 10:37 pm | Permalink

    @Freki: Sure! Why not secession? There are many weapons of mass destruction in the Northwest!

  375. November 9, 2012 - 10:29 pm | Permalink

    “Secession? You have to be kidding me. Do we really think a bunch of rag-tag militia are going to be able to go up against the tanks and unmanned aerial drones of the government? That wouldn’t be a fight at all, it’d be a massacre.”

    The Afghan and the Iraqis are kicking our asses with guerrilla tactics, just the way we beat the British.

  376. Harry H's Gravatar Harry H
    November 9, 2012 - 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Non-violent tripartite division is the way to go: (1) The United States of New England, which would include the Upper Midwest, (2) Pacifica, comprising the five Pacific states that voted for Obama in 2012, and (3) the real United States of America.

    Appealing to the best interests, and pet interests, of the inhabitants of these fundamentally different regions is the best way to achieve the tripartite solution. Otherwise, we face a revolution.

  377. White Lightning's Gravatar White Lightning
    November 9, 2012 - 10:12 pm | Permalink

    The prospect of majority Caucasian states seceding from the union was one of my first thoughts too.

    In the final analysis the survival of white communities, as white communities, is within their own control. One of the things I have seen intellectualised on this site, and others, is the tendency of white people not to stick together as much as other groups – this has been framed as a kind of individualistic mentality. There is a deep hesitation amongst white people to explicitly organise around attributes such as their ethnic heritage. This is, I think, largely due to a media apparatus which has successfully stigmatised such organisation as synonymous with Nazism and dysfunctionality. However other groups can and do organise in such ways without the concern of being ostracised or prosecuted.

    In Australia we have seen many groups which explicitly organise ethnocentrically (such as Lebanese, Iraqi, Maori, and Sudanese to name a few). In the context of multiculturalism this phenomena has been lauded by elites as a normal and desirable thing. Even when such organisation turns to violence against whites( see Lebanese gang violence in Sydney) it is treated gingerly by the media and politicians – the primary goal is to ensure social cohesion and racial harmony are not upset by ugly crime statistics and lurid tales of anti-white racial animosity( see Sydney gang rapes).

    So, white people can and should organise. They should also expect fierce criticism for it from the media and progressive politicians for doing so. They should focus on their own locus of control – their families, their neighbourhoods as building blocks for stronger white communities. If enough white people organise, formally articulate their ethnic interests, and take steps to secure those interests then political clout will naturally follow.
    Start with small steps and the larger gains will take care of themselves.

  378. November 9, 2012 - 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Our first fight, from this point, is to not fight for the Globalist Elite or the Federal Reserve’s system against Iran. The worse step a man or generation can take is to fight for their oppressor/enemy. Doing so binds a people economically, emotionally, and spiritually to their power elite. Was it the same type men that fought in the WWI trenches that dictated the Versailles Treaty? The compensation to White America for winning WWII was the 1965 Immigration Act, and planned minority status within a century. Our winning wars provides them international power and wealth, and positions them to more effectively squeeze our necks. Our losing wars also enables them to undercut us. Our refusing to fight their wars, brakes their bonds on us, and weakens them.

    It is observable in UK history since the 1600’s. It is noticeable in US history of the last century (and a half). Whites fighting wars under ad hoc elite subterfuges, results in social decay and loss of national identity. The bankers are empowered, while the people made more vulnerable. War with Iran would be about advancing the globalist agenda, and completely counter to the interest of the historic American people.

  379. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 9, 2012 - 10:04 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor:
    Gregor, yes, excellent link.

  380. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 9, 2012 - 10:02 pm | Permalink

    @Charles Ellis:
    Charles Ellis, A military leadership with the guts to solve the problem by force could turn this country around immediately, it is the feminized and jew-ridden America that gets whipped, not the America we once were and can be again.

    Our forefathers made a serious political mistake on universal suffrage and we are suffering for it now, no doubt eventual collapse of the present system is certain in the near future. What comes after the collapse should be your concern and mocking patriotic Americans with your whining about having our asses kicked accomplishes nothing, there is nothing wrong with our race and our nation that can’t be fixed.

  381. Enver Turngate's Gravatar Enver Turngate
    November 9, 2012 - 9:57 pm | Permalink

    “perhaps because Obama didn’t immediately bomb Iran at Israel’s behest.”

    Bit of a tangent, but as you know, three totally nameless, faceless Obama admin people have just “leaked” that Iran fired at one of our innocent drones (I bet they even shot it in the back, those dirty Muslims!). Not even a week since the ink was dry on the OBAMA BEATS ROMNEY headlines.

    This was the deal Obama had to make with Netanyahu: “Play ball, and WE can hold off using YOUR men to fight MY enemy until after the election, when the jacked up gas prices resulting from the closure of the Strait of Hormuz will not damage your candidacy. Refuse… and I attack them myself, raise gas prices, and get my little cringing, WASPish, Zionist boy toy. Either way, America spending its blood and treasure obliterating Persia for me is a constant here. Do you want to stay in office and continue your social justice shit, or let the white boy have a shot? I’ve been at this since before I was born, boy. No one gives Bibi the high hat.”

    Benghazi was not oversight or neglect; it was done intentionally. And now, David Petraeus is being blackmailed to prevent him from testifying something that might point the finger of guilt solidly in an inconvenient direction. Benghazi, that Jew-financed anti-Muslim movie trailer and the fallout therefrom were produced to try to reignite the RAH RAH FIGHT THE ISLAMOFASCISTS spirit among the patriotards, and grease the wheels for Netanyahu’s war on the Persians. I would not be surprised to learn that the entire Libyan adventure was committed at Netanyahu’s instruction. The man has an IQ of 180. He can think 400 steps ahead, he has bases covered you don’t even know exist yet, he knows how easy it is to manipulate the public, and he damn sure knows what happens when Arabs get democracy and Jew-allied US officials are still on the ground.

    Perhaps you remember over a year ago, when Obama made that little party foul, and said something not entirely Jew-friendly about the two-state solution and borders and all that stuff? And then Netanyahu marched into the White House and helped himself to a chat with our president? And then he put on that little show in congress? You all know he was demonstrating the slavish obeisance of every AIPAC whore in the hall, but that’s only the half of it. He was looking back over his shoulder and saying, “Do you see this, boy? I own your congress, except for two or three marginalized figures everyone thinks are crazy; with Kagan I will own at least a third of the SCOTUS; I own your public, who either think I am on their side for FREEDUMB, don’t know about politics at all, or don’t want to be called anti-Semites; I own a goodly piece of your cabinet. I own all three branches of your federal government AND the people; and I own YOU. Are you willing to defy me? Let’s not be confused about whose country this is. I will be on the phone with you daily from here on out, boy, to give you your orders.”

    This has all been in the offing SINCE THAT DAY.

  382. Ragnar Lodbrok's Gravatar Ragnar Lodbrok
    November 9, 2012 - 9:18 pm | Permalink

    Hei! kinsmen dar in Midgard.
    By the one eye of Odin Midgard ar in deed-times, renown-times. The Norns weave the fate of Midgard. We in Valhalla beg our Hal-lord, we wish to cross Bifrost into Midgard SURT AR HAR! MIDGARD AR SURT-RIK! We forsake our mead we forsake luxury we must needs help our kinsmen. Our barns need help. Kjener du? Many of the svartalfen have left Svartalfheim to wreak havok among the Fair Folk, battle-bees fly and fair men slumber. Dvalin and Durin have left Nidavellir to join the svartalfen-hurd. The sybil and Surt have stolen Fair-hal once again. Midgard ar Surt-rik. City Folk lounge Surt riles his hurdmen. The hurdmen of surt thirst for fair blood. Many fair-folk join the svartalf-hurd. Krister prays. This will stop the gaeslagen. The good Krister prays but the gaeslagen builds. Krister-Rusty-Hinges sleeps. Krister-Faint-Heart rests. Surt ar val aller Krister ar trut. Sleep Krister, slumber fair man says Kristers Fru.

  383. November 9, 2012 - 8:36 pm | Permalink

    As to what the results of the election mean—try listening
    gently to several of the voters who are part of the base of
    the social pyramid. TV image and some sense (usually
    projected onto a candidate’s tee vee persona) of which
    candidate is the “nicer guy”—accounts for a big slice of
    ‘the voting returns pie. Any mention of issues is more like an expected rationalization than anything really affecting the voter’s choice. The results are sobering indeed.

  384. DudelyOne's Gravatar DudelyOne
    November 9, 2012 - 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Secession can only be achieved if all whites got on the same page.

    I have too many intelligent enough white military friends with non-white wives who think whites becoming a minority is just fine and dandy, if not awesome.

    Secession would be easy to pull off if our military wasn’t in the hands of men like the above.

  385. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    November 9, 2012 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    @Alfred: I’m in for the “two way street” solution.

  386. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 9, 2012 - 8:32 pm | Permalink

    I can’t get over the fact that some people STILL actually believe that Obama is the enemy of the Jews! Wall St. money put him into power TWICE. Push come to shove, he WILL defend Israel and bomb Iran if he has to. Go to Youtube and look at his speech at AIPAC. His administration made a conscious decision to soften their stance toward Islam with the hope that it would make us less likely to be the target of terrorism. Obama’s drones are killing people all over the ME, just so that Israel is protected. Don’t kid yourself. The Jews OWN this country. I’m not convinced that Romney really lost the election. I’m not sure it was on the up and up. On the other hand, Wall St. gave big to Romney, so they had their bets covered.
    I’ve always laughed at the idea that we could secede, because I can’t envision how it would come about. I would have no interest in Alaska. BUT….the image of all of those red states makes it very clear that we are a separate entity, and that OUR interests are being ignored. The idea that that bastard Obama has any sort of “mandate” is preposterous. The Jews media, as many have mentioned, continue to ridicule us, and talk about how badly Romney was beaten, when in fact Obama barely won statistically speaking. We’re dealing with people who have an IRRATIONAL, nearly INSANE hatred for us. Article after article in every major paper (all Jew writers of course) SCREAMING that the GOP MUST include Hispanics!
    That’s right, drive the white man right into the ground! They won’t be happy until we’re GONE. And we saved these ungrateful a**holes from the Nazis? What were we thinking?

  387. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 9, 2012 - 8:12 pm | Permalink

    @celtthedog: To your point on hubris before nemesis, Restrepo (2010).
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1559549/

  388. Charles Ellis's Gravatar Charles Ellis
    November 9, 2012 - 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Dang, I forgot the Cubans. Also feel free to add your own favorite ” agrarian reformers ” here: “______________” also kicked our ass.

  389. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 8:02 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Newsweek is certainly anti-white. Next week’s headline:

    GOP – you’re old, you’re white, you’re history.

    Where are the cries of hate-talk and editor’s head’s?

    There are no cries and of course, there won’t be any. I’m sure you didn’t really expect any. But in case anyone has any doubts or needs explanation, this is an example of being Anti-White.

    They will say they are concerned with racial name calling, and then make derogatory remarks about one group and one group only – Whites.

    But, before can understand that, we have to understand that Whites can be unfairly treated. And apparently, that is just too shocking.

  390. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 9, 2012 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    In case anyone here hasn’t already seen it, there’s a great piece of pro-White propaganda available over at Counter-Currents. Very suitable for linking or copy-pasting into a letter to any friends who are republicans who are wondering what hit them, and what it means.

    “Waking up from the American Dream: A White Nationalist Memo to White Male Republicans”

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/a-white-nationalist-memo-to-white-male-republicans/

  391. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 9, 2012 - 7:53 pm | Permalink

    @mark: mark, excellent point. We are stuck in the two-party belief paradigm.

  392. John Cameron's Gravatar John Cameron
    November 9, 2012 - 7:49 pm | Permalink

    The omens that portend California’s demise are already starting to appear.

    I was shopping in a small strip mall in San Rafael, CA today and noticed something that startled me. The security there are now packing hardcore heat (big Glock automatics) as well as armored flak jackets. All this to protect places Trader Joe’s.

    When I observed this, a little lightbulb went off in my head. Something must have occurred in that small mall to justify this new rent- a-cop arms race. Nothing was reported in the media so it probably must have been caused by the actions of a “flash mob” that most likely originated from within the heavily minority dominated San Rafael high School that is across the street. The media in Marin County is apparently no longer reporting on crimes where the victims are whites and the perpetrators are minorities, especially young minorities. When there is a rare mention of these crimes the names and races of the criminals are deliberately hidden. This means that the crime statistics you read about are largely fraudulent so as to not scare the “whiteys.”

    I have observed the increasing presence of “flash mobs” in Marin City, a minority area that abuts the very expensive town of Sausalito. Ten or twenty black kids go into stores all at once (their favorites seem to be he local Burger King and the adjoining Dollar Tree Store ) en mass and essentially loot these store. The workers at the Dollar tree store have apparently been told that they are not to either confront these kids or report the incidents to the police out of fear of reprisals. “Flash mobs” are now considered merely a cost of doing business, sort of like janitorial services.

    It might be a good idea to start observing in your community if the security guards are now packing big heat. This will give you a measure of the true crime situation.

    First will come the armed guards. Second will come a big increase in very secure gated communities. Las Vegas already provides an example of what will eventually start to happen in other places with ever increasing frequency. Las Vegas has for years deliberately greatly under reported crime statistics in order to not scare away tourists.

    If you want to see what is in our future check out the more expensive condo complexes near the Las Vegas Strip. Security there rivals that at San Quentin prison. I mean it is really intense. You would think you were in Columbia or Mexico or some other narco state. Unfortunately this sort of security is very expensive and would be unaffordable to middle class Americans.

  393. Charles Ellis's Gravatar Charles Ellis
    November 9, 2012 - 7:30 pm | Permalink

    The ” The Worlds Greatest Superpower ” , ha ha, what a joke! We have had our asses kicked in every war since the Korean War. The North Koreans kicked our ass, those funny little cats in black PJ’s kicked our ass,
    Sandinistas kicked our ass, the Iranian mullahs kicked our ass and kicked our puppet Shah out of Iran, the Iraqies kicked our ass, the Taliban kicked our ass, the black gangbangers in the “inner cities” kicked our ass, the mistizo gangbangers kicked our ass, Hel we don’t even bother to send cops
    into those areas anymore, and the Iranians will kick our ass, and the israhelies lead us around like a bull with a ring in it’s nose, and the “bankers” spew out worthless paper by the trillions that we excitedly suck up, and the Europeans despise us as the inept behemoth that we really are.
    Secession ? Forget that, try imminent collapse!
    Like Lou Reed said: ” americans, stick a fork in their ass and turn them over, they’re done! “.
    Charles Ellis

  394. Mike's Gravatar Mike
    November 9, 2012 - 7:22 pm | Permalink

    A message to ALL pro-White advocates, no one in particular:

    There is one absolute truth right now. The naysaying, pessimissm, defeatism and dwelling on SHTF and TEOTWAWKI absolutely has to end. Don’t tell me how we aren’t going to solve the problem, tell me how YOU are helping to solve the problem. From now on if you have nothing to say but defeatism and naysaying, then kindly step aside and resign yourselves to defeat.

    The time to move past the perpetual defeatism is now over. Stormfront and VNN N&J is not enough. Debate and wasting energy with defeatists about how things can’t be accomplished is also pointless. Ignore the defeatists and get to work. There are many avenues for pro-White advocacy. We all know what they are. If some of you don’t, then start doing your homework and stop waiting for a great leader to come and save you. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Don’t poo poo Dr. McDonald because you think it is not possible. Work to make it a reality or find another avenue that you believe will work and stop being an Eeyore.

    I am a BUGSter. If any of you want to learn and commit to our message, then come on down to Bobs Undergraduate Seminar. We welcome you. If you think the Mantra is stupid, it doesn’t work, it is just not for you, that is fine. just stay out of our way and do SOMETHING!

    If this message irritates some of you, then good. That is my intention. That means YOU are part of the problem and not part of a solution. Don’t get mad at me for telling the truth. Get mad at yourselves and use that anger as a kick-start. All the success in your pro-White activism.

    PS, Thank you Dr. McDonald for your perspective and all that you have done for the pro-White cause. I know it has not been easy.

  395. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 9, 2012 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    @White realist: To those excellent articles, I’ll add Hoppe’s take on secession into the mix.

  396. November 9, 2012 - 6:59 pm | Permalink

    If you’re really interested in secession as an alternative to white destruction, check out The League of the South at http://www.dixienet.org. We’ve seen this coming for a while now.

  397. November 9, 2012 - 6:51 pm | Permalink

    @Harold A. Covington:

    I would like to point out that a viable and detailed plan for secession and the establishment of a White Homeland in the Pacific Northwest already does exist.

    It’s not viable at all, Harold. I’ve listened to you talk about your plan.

    You have stated your opposition to the PLE idea, because, you say, the government won’t allow PLEs to exist. (This is a kind of defeatism.)

    What you advocate is that White people form terrorist sleeper-cells in Northwestern cities while owning no real property, and wait until The Old Man gives the signal for the violence to begin.

    While these sleepers wait for the signal that may never come, meanwhile, given their commitment to owning no real property and concealing any connection with racial politics, they will be essentially useless to the cause.

    Some people might be entertained by your fantasy, but it’s completely laughable that it could work out in real life.

    http://www.toqonline.com/blog/secession-is-a-bad-idea/

    In addition to the hopelessness of challenging the Federal Government through violence (explained by Baird Peterson), the choice of the Pacific Northwest as the location of a prospective White republic is based on conditions that were valid in the early 1980s but no longer valid today.

    Meanwhile what you are running is a magnet for White racialists that either have real criminal tendencies (e.g. J.T. Ready) or at least like to fantasize about violence, and that is no doubt very useful to the Federal Government, or somebody.

  398. November 9, 2012 - 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Obama is a PUPPET, he makes NO decisions.

    Axelrod has been creating and shaping Candidate Obama for more than 16 years. “Axelrod met Obama when the senator was 30 years old and coordinating a voter-registration drive in Chicago and Bettylu Saltzman, a doyenne of progressive politics in Chicago, suggested that the two get to know each other,” the New York Times reported in early 2007. “In the 15 years since, Axelrod has worked through Obama’s life story again and again, scouring it for usable political material.

    Bettylu Saltzman has been supporting and financing Obama’s political career since 1992, long before he ran for any office. Saltzman is the only daughter of the super-Zionist Philip Klutznick. In 1992, when Obama was 30 years old, Saltzman told Axelrod and others, “He will be our first black president.” Saltzman then commissioned Axelrod to create Obama, the presidential candidate.

    “What would serve the Jew-hating world better as repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a nuclear winter? Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?”
    –Professor David Perlmutter, writing in the Los Angeles Times, April 7, 2002

    “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force…We have the capability to take the world down with us, and I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”
    –Martin Van Creveld, Israeli Historian

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/israel-deploys-nuclear-weapons-on-german-submarines-a-836671.html
    Secret Cooperation
    Israel Deploys Nuclear Weapons on German Submarines
    06/03/2012

    Is that not a two-way street?

  399. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 9, 2012 - 6:45 pm | Permalink

    @celtthedog:

    “Yes, except a bunch of goat-herders in Afghanistan are currently defeating that exact same military force you’ve painted as invincible…”

    Afghans have a history and culture dedicated to fierce resistance. Also, Afghanistan is mountainous and therefore conducive to that resistance. We’re completely different peoples in completely different countries.

    Oh also, do you want to live like Afghans under American occupation? In caves and little hideouts, taking shelter from artillery bombings? Come on now. White needs an isolated, nuclear-armed state of their own. What we need is our own Israel.

  400. Rudd's Gravatar Rudd
    November 9, 2012 - 6:42 pm | Permalink

    I think that most of the top military generals are White. From what I know the jews shy away from the US military. The military has been shit on for along time Iraq,Afganistan…
    We should keep our eyes open for action in that direction.
    History shows that rebellion starts with Military insurrections.
    I remember seeing a Marine sniper squad photographed infront of an SS flag. They caught alot of flack in the jew press
    for it.

  401. Dirk's Gravatar Dirk
    November 9, 2012 - 6:34 pm | Permalink

    @celtthedog:
    Afghans are willing to pay the bloody butchers’ bill of thousands of deaths and maimed. Are Americans? I doubt it, especially because they have very few children.

    Besides, any guerrilla army needs a base and supply. Where are you going base yourself? On the border of hostile Mexico, or NATO-ally Canada? Who is going to supply you with weapons and most of all: money?

    You can’t hide among the population with an established police force and secret services. You should use terror, which the Taliban does, to secure loyalty and support. How far are you willing to go to kill your own kind for political gain?

    I advice you all to read how Taliban and Vietcong acted. They did hearts and minds, but in the right way: instill a greater fear among the population for them than for the Americans. Civil war is an ugly thing for everybody, please forget it.

  402. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 9, 2012 - 6:26 pm | Permalink

    @bluegrass:
    Very interesting analysis, thanks. I agree that change will come about gradually and incrementally. My hope is that as both parties continue failing the Tea Party will grows and begin a takeover of the republican party. It has many imperfections, but it is open to new people and it is the defacto white people’s voice. Anyone with the time and energy should take advantage of their training programs. Get in on the local level. Get on the school board and object to slander in our history books – make trouble!

  403. Dirk's Gravatar Dirk
    November 9, 2012 - 6:18 pm | Permalink

    A critical precondition for secession is a weak central government, unlikely to happen in current USA. A separatist movement will also be divided or discredited by simple policing methods.

    Federal power is so strong that taxation can’t be simply dodged, unless you built up a shadow economy, which the government can easily suppress, again by law enforcement.

    Geographic concentration is a starter, but how long can it last? Immigrants go where the money is. Formal ethnic division (separate but equal) is forbidden.

    All above mentioned stages of separatism have been gradually blocked by expanding federal control since 1865. First, a federal army (1860) to suppress the Confederacy. Second, a federal police (1930s) to suppress the mafia. Third, a federal law enforcement to suppress White rule over the South (1960s).

    The only thing which really works is voting with your feet (migration), although USA also taxes its citizens abroad (lucky you).

  404. mark's Gravatar mark
    November 9, 2012 - 6:11 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:
    Ward Kendall said:

    Even if the next five presidents are all white (very likely imo) it won’t matter – none will be pro-white. We need to accept that.
 I think WN’s need to finally accept that we are a specialized breed. As such, we need to seriously consider a new strategy that transcends the Internet, one that approaches our survival with the same commitment as a major military operation.”

    Yes, we do need a new strategy as you’ve said. And it must have the same commitment and resemblance to a military operation as you’ve said. I’ve suggested it here on TOO before, but most recently have had my posts moderated and not posted or posted and later deleted. Even discussing such things in hypothetical terms is forbidden here. I was surprised to see your post made it online. The White man is afraid of his own shadow, a sad situation indeed.

  405. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 9, 2012 - 6:08 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    It doesn’t matter. All Starbucks customers ease their conscious for being too lazy to make coffee in the morning by basking in the warm glow of leaving a nice tip for the barrista and ordering organically grown coffee which helps sustain some mountain tribe in South America.

  406. Darth Vader's Gravatar Darth Vader
    November 9, 2012 - 6:07 pm | Permalink

    @Harold A. Covington:

    We also need to infiltrate the establishment.

    It wouldn’t be wise to just secede.

    We can do great things with our numbers in terms of infiltrating the establishment of our rulers.

    Golden Dawn is taking over Greece in the streets by infiltrating the police force.

    The Jews took over America through universities, money, and politics.

    We can do something too.

  407. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 9, 2012 - 6:03 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    Not noticing. Nothing is clearer than the fact that Obama won the election by promising a little something to everyone. Gay marriage, legalize immigrants, free abortions, welfare, tuition loan forgiveness. None are worth the lost of a country but few are thoughtful enough to see that.

    I must admit that the mantra is certainly being heard and I try to avoid arguing either with those on my side or success. The one reservation I have is that to many it may be just another scare alarm. Scaremongering have been so abused that people automatically turn them out.

    I hear and understand your frustration. Sadly, I know people as passionate as you who cannot understand why pets don’t get free healthcare. I know an intelligent young woman who runs what amounts to a nursing home for elderly dogs and cats. She does not understand why I do not worry about her 20 years old cat’s blood sugar levels.

    We have lost the ability to think and evaluate the world and threats. I do not think this is an accident.

  408. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    November 9, 2012 - 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Republicans are so hilarious. First day after the election, Obama takes the White man to the woodshed and he comes out with a red behind ready to compromise on immigration. Election night was all about unity but he really thinks he’s got a mandate to do whatever he wants. It’s just a question of degree as to how much White politicians will help the amnesty goal. My guess is all the way over the heads of the voters and Party loyalists. Here’s the funny part: Repubs think that their base will “get over it” and go back to supporting them with votes and money just so we can have a young (White looking) Latino stallion in a suit with a little GOP button on his lapel. ….Funny stuff. Now, I have many doubts about White people, but I don’t think they’ll go for this clap. That means the GOP is DOA the second amnesty occurs. The 72% will go down to 60% in year one. Maybe less.
    As for secession, I’ve read about it whenever possible but it won’t happen with the GOP functioning. The two party system needs to go because all it produces are traitors. This type of high treason just may do it. Afterwhich, we’ll see what is born to replace it.

  409. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 9, 2012 - 5:51 pm | Permalink

    @Hedgerow:
    I agree wholeheartedly. Isn’t that how magician’s fool people? The problem is not immigration or diversity it is merely that old fuddy duds are not dying quickly enough. Once we are gone – it will all fall into place.

  410. celtthedog's Gravatar celtthedog
    November 9, 2012 - 5:33 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Yes, except a bunch of goat-herders in Afghanistan are currently defeating that exact same military force you’ve painted as invincible…

  411. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 9, 2012 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    The idea of separatism is a useful tool to organize white nationalism but is not a long-term solution, isolated white enclaves would not be left in peace by the savages. It will come down to civil war and the objective must always be the entire North American continent. In my view if we think that there is a peaceful solution obtainable by simply trying to separate ourselves from the savages we kid ourselves.

  412. celtthedog's Gravatar celtthedog
    November 9, 2012 - 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Great article — what scares me the most is that 41% of whites voted for Obama.
    That’s what ensured this affirmative action joke’s reelection — not blacks, Asians, or Hispanics.
    Yeah, I know that 41% isn’t precisely accurate — you point out — but it’s still pretty godamned high.

  413. Scotsman's Gravatar Scotsman
    November 9, 2012 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

    I dont understand how some of you can speak of ceding massive amounts of territory that we still are in complete control of (most of the mid-west, upper south, plains states, rural New England) and move to some tiny corner of the country and think we would be left unmolested.

    This is fantasy. The Pacific Northwest states have a growing Asian population (see Vancouver BC for a preview of its fate). Alaska is mostly tundra and inhospitable for growing much. I do not see any credible evidence that the process wouldnt just start all over again in a smaller space.

    The only option is the reconquering of the United States. Remember, in reality we still rule the country. ‘Our’ leaders have just allowed our demise.

  414. bluegrass's Gravatar bluegrass
    November 9, 2012 - 5:14 pm | Permalink

    I think people are generally misunderstanding Mr. MacDonald’s meaning of secession, as It doesn’t necessarily mean Civil War 2. The perception of the Federal government’s sovereignty will slowly recede as it loses its ability able to pay for its assortment of military expenditures, pensions, EBT payments, Social Security, government jobs etc etc.

    Imagine Obamacare: what if a state considers it unconstitutional and simply forbids its citizens from paying its taxes?

    Again, what point will Arizona have to follow (or be allowed to follow) Federal law if the Feds can’t threaten them with withholding Federal highway funds, when the Feds don’t even possess those highway funds in the first place?

    What if Arizona starts to posture and tell the Feds to back off? It could be just a bluff, or it could be backed by the actual physical forces of the State’s Guard, police, and even hypothetical militias. Whatever it is, it would be the sign of a real, visible, and dogged division against Federal power since desegregation.

    Once the Federal government backs off one state, others are going to start to get more brazen and confident. What is lily-White West Virgina became emboldened by Arizona and decided that it, as a State, it was exempt from EEOC laws?

    We’re already seeing this with marijuana legalization. States breaking Federal law, and the Feds are simply ignoring it out of pragmatism or sheer indifference.

    Future Washington just won’t have the wealth to bribe the States and its various peoples into stable servility. They’ll either have to back off and give a lot more leeway in terms of Federal restrictions, or they’re going to have to get violent. If they pursue the second strategy then the gloves will come off and all the preconceived notions about the moral hegemony of the Central government, and its perception of incontestable power, is simply going to disappear.

    Look, the republican party is dead. We know, with first hand knowledge, that “Americanism”: with its ideals of conservatism, individuality, and liberty, is basically an exclusively White thing.

    Its dead because it has three options: one is to go populist, pro-white, 3rd party economics; something highly unlikely knowing the kinds of people who fund and run the party. The job of our movement is to fill this political void and sweep spot, and do so in a concentrated way as give the greatest chance of securing some kind of White Republic.

    Second: it could stick to its free-market, post-racial narrative, and lose time and time again. It will create electoral-apathy in Whites (sub-consciously knowing that their interests aren’t being pursued, hence the recent election), and it will never convince the tribal voting non-Whites.

    Third: they can try and “out-diversity” the democrats. Some non-Whites may buy it: possibly up to 1/3 of Hispanics, maybe even half of Asians, and I’m being very generous, but non-Whites still won’t take the bait. These gains would be offset by apathy within the republican White voter, who would see their implicit White party turn into another overtly anti-White institution.

    This is GOOD. When the national party dies, Republican politicians will become less concerned with following the generally party line and more concerned with cornering and securing their small game in the market. That small game, of course, is White states, counties, and towns. This could undoubtedly lead to some very explicit Pro-White stances, because their White constituencies just won’t be willing to support some diversity-Republicanism platform.

    With the racial-cultural narrative of America, you can’t appeal to minority groups without being anti-White in rhetoric; the developed semantics of our politics since the 1960’s just can’t have a race neutral dialogue when trying to appeal to multiple races. It’s all Anti-White, because that’s the only political-racial dialogue that non-Whites and liberals have been literally trained, educated, and brainwashed to understand.

    What I’m getting at is that this present dialogue and universal “culture” of anti-Whiteness will become the worst enemy of its creator’s, and ultimately foil their original intentions. They won’t turn it off when they need to, because people like Tim Wise literally exist to continue this narrative.

    The enemy, in terms of power, economics, and demographics, have us completely beat. They could just slow down the anti-White diatribes and our dispossession and we’d eventually just disappear without a whimper.

    Yet the keep on ridiculing us. They’ve even replaced “institutional racism” with the vastly more derogatory “white privilege” within the anti-White dialogue.

    Its demoralizing to Whites, its threatening and ultimately it is POLARIZING. This will grow our movement exponentially, especially when men like Bill O’rielly himself speaks in such blatant terms it could have very well been a comment at TOO.

  415. mark's Gravatar mark
    November 9, 2012 - 5:14 pm | Permalink

    “(A friend mentioned that Rush Limbaugh joked about secession.) Is there any other realistic alternative? Apart from futile violence against the Leviathan, do White men really have any other choice? That is, unless they think that exiting the stage of history as something less than men is a reasonable alternative.”

    Whites need to understand that any White secession/independence movement is not going to happen out of a political movement involving voting—just like it didn’t the first time here in America! Certainly no thinking White person believes that Whites will be allowed to just go off and occupy a given geographical area of North America without the non-whites following them.

    Each member of the White middle and working class must also understand that there are two things that must coincide in order for them to attach themselves to any movement: Not only must their racial interests be the same as that of that movement, but also their economic interests. That is, the racial interests and also the economic interests of the White middle and working classes must BOTH coincide with any secessionist movement organization. If both do not coincide, that organization should be considered hostile to them. That’s why we need several parties that represent White interests—not just one.

  416. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 9, 2012 - 5:13 pm | Permalink

    One update for people wondering how the corporate world is viewing all of this: Starbucks has recently announced that it is going to make hiring “minorities” a priority. I wonder how much of their profits come from European-Americans?

  417. Scotsman's Gravatar Scotsman
    November 9, 2012 - 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Secession, a noble idea and one that should be held in reserve, would nevertheless end up badly for us. What are a few hundred thousand semi autos going to do against the mightiest military in the world? Even if a large part of the military defects, the federal government wouldnt hesitate to call in international assistance.

    It’s still too early to be talking about this. I am already seeing signs that anxiety about becoming a minority in our own land is starting to sink in, and a kind of white nationalism will become mainstream in the next 10 years or so. Let’s hope some fruits are borne from that.

  418. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 9, 2012 - 5:12 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius:
    Athan, lol, you have a few issues to work on yourself.

  419. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 9, 2012 - 5:07 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Yes, Alice, a question that I’ve asked myself a million times every day that these comments are made about white people? Where are all the whites protesting their dads, grandfathers, sons, husbands, etc.etc. BEING CHARACTERIZED IN THESE VILE WAYS, by these VILE, media hacks? Where are they????

  420. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 9, 2012 - 5:03 pm | Permalink

    @Marcus:
    Marcus, yes, that is the key in my view, White success depends upon the control of the military, there will ultimately be military rule when the present system crashes. The efforts obviously have to be underground but that is where recruitment efforts should concentrate.

  421. November 9, 2012 - 4:59 pm | Permalink

    I speak only for myself, well realizing that others on this board will not agree: that said, I have an uneasy feeling that four years from now the brutal lessons learned from this election will be forgotten (or consciously ignored) by the majority of WN’s. In 2016, I predict the Republicans will nominate yet another white man, simply because the best candidates in that party are invariably white. If, instead, they try to play cute and nominate a tokenized blackie or brownie, it will be so painfully obvious that they’re desperately begging for the traditionally liberal non-white vote that the sneering Democrats will completely smash them at the ballot box.

    No, playing cute race games like that will not save the Republican party. Their only real chance to win again is to essentially copy the Democrat party platform, which would then be a de facto ideological surrender of such breathtaking magnitude that conservative voters might as well break out the Jim-Jones-flavored Kool-Aid and be done with it.

    Barring that, what I believe we need at this late hour is a simple acknowledgement that the game is over. Lamenting about “the Jews” changed nothing. Had it been an effective strategy, there would have been a solid rise in WN numbers by now. Only there hasn’t.

    As for those WN advocates who use that as their sin qua non to glean donations, they should just retire, as their occupation is now obsolete. Nothing they ever did or said made one iota of difference in stopping Obama or the advancement of liberalism in this nation. They should admit that, and just quietly close shop.

    In fact, the whole complex machinery of white nationalism should take a long, hard look at itself, and realize one thing: we are never going to effectively alter the minds of our fellow whites to the extent absolutely necessary to accomplish what most of us want: an America flushed clean of every illegal, “legal”, and “amnestied” Mexican in the land; a rounding up and expulsion of America’s 35 million African socialists eating our country alive from the inside out; the complete and total gagging of every single leftist/liberal white “libtard” who even now revels in the Browning of America. All this I believe is necessary to make America a safe, secure, prosperous, and happy environment to ensure the future of the white race on this continent.

    But it’s too late.

    Even if the next five presidents are all white (very likely imo) it won’t matter – none will be pro-white. We need to accept that.
    I think WN’s need to finally accept that we are a specialized breed. As such, we need to seriously consider a new strategy that transcends the Internet, one that approaches our survival with the same commitment as a major military operation.

    But if America is lost, what are our options?

    I will pose one here, though there are others:

    As a variant of Harold Covington’s plan to found a “Northwest Republic” in the American Northwest, I believe a United White Nationalist movement to colonize Alaska would have the best chance of seizing political control of a particular territory. Yes, it’s cold. But it has far more natural resources than the Northwest continental USA, has access to the sea on three sides, has only a weak nation on its eastern border (Canada) and a possibly pro-white, even sympathetic nation on its west (Russia). Like the idea or not, Alaska offers the best chance to seize political control of any one of the 50 US states, and certainly offers better odds of doing so than Covington’s Northwest Plan, since Alaska already has the self-contained border configuration of a separate country, whereas the Washington-Oregon-Idaho axis idea does not.

    Admittedly, Alaska will turn off many, if not most WN’s. If it were within my power, I’d convert the climate of that land to one more along the lines of California. But that’s not possible. In my novel (which many of you may have read) the hero Jeff Huxton realized that earth was lost to the white race. Via Karl Ramstrom, he came to understand that a colony on faraway Mars was our peoples’ last and final hope. Well, Alaska may well be our “Mars”. If, after reading this, you are tempted to sneer and ridicule the idea as “stupid”, have at it. Or you may prefer the word “defeatist”.

    It may be both.

    Even so, I hope that those who may lead the WN movement in the coming years do not give us a replay of the last fifty: “Jew this, Jew that, Heil Hitler this, Heil Hitler that, “awaken whites” here, “awaken whites” there, ad nauseam. Folks, everyone knows about the Jews already. Even the Jews themselves publicly acknowledge they control finance and the media. (they do not hide it!) So we’ve got nothing new to say on the subject. Nothing! And yet, even now, Stormfront’s Hitler worshippers continue to natter away about all their failed ideas, deluded yet into believing their fantasies will one day come true. Guess what? Every single white capable of being “awakened” has already been, five times over. They have been bludgeoned into wakefulness, in fact, by both our people and by this latest triumph of the Africanization of America.

    Thus, it is time to take real-world action, just as the heroes of “Hold Back This Day” did. My fervent hope, then, is that whatever each of you choose to do, you don’t return here in 2016, promoting some new white Republican as the “great white hope” of our Race; that you don’t rehash the same words, the same tropes, the same yearning plea that all we need to do to win is “just awaken” our fellow whites.

    All that is forever dead.

    It’s time to seek a new vision.

    Respectfully,

    Ward Kendall

    Hold Back This Day

    The Towers of Eden

  422. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 9, 2012 - 4:54 pm | Permalink

    @fender: fender, movements like this don’t start with violence. They may end in violence, or not. It depends first, on how well it’s handled politically.

  423. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 9, 2012 - 4:50 pm | Permalink

    @Harold A. Covington: Harold, how will this plan work in the Pacific Northwest, that voted for Obama and is overwhelmingly a blue state terrirtory consisting of whimply whites. I’m just asking.

  424. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 9, 2012 - 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Dr. MacDonald is “dead on” when he says that the Republican elites call to get with it with Latino’s is bound to fail. You bet it is. They are big government at heart, and they are for their own. PERIOD!! They will UNGRATEFULLY take whatever the stupid, traitorous and pandering Republican Party offers them, and say, Thanks Chumps. And that will be the extent of their support. As Luke, Myself, and others have said, the sooner whites DUMP, and I mean completely DUMP, the Republi-CON party, the better things will get for European-Americans. The will at least have a chance at re-asserting their traditonal rights and power, earned by them and their ancestors, and that has so cavilierly and treasonously been given away to others, many of whom have not earned squat.

  425. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 9, 2012 - 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Being white has given me the opportunity to observe thousands and thousands of whites, in every kind of social category. Here is what I’ve experienced. There are whites that are super decent people, like the computer guy that did a repair for me, and even spent two hours!! on the phone with my internet provider, proving to them that the problem was on their end. He didn’t even charge me for the two hours he wasted on the phone!!!!!!! Then I’ve hired plumbers and painters, all white, that have been extremely reasonable while being decenet and pleasant people at the same time. I’ve met whites that live in upscale areas of California, some again, were the nicest folks I’ve ever come across, INCLUDING A JEWISH FAMILY, whos mother got up at 5 o’clock in the morning to make my friends and I, one of them being her son, bacon and eggs before we had to compete in the Southern California soft ball championships in San Diego California, in the late nineteen seventies. Othe times I came across white business people, that were surly, petty, and plain useless in helping you. They would act like your’e wasting their time and they had better things to do , or make money with, than what you needed help with.

    One thing was clear with most of these folks however, I felt that as a collective, they could not be relied upon. They were all too independent and self contained. So my conclusion friends is, don’t think that there is going to be some overwhelming support from massive groups of European-Americans, as their influence and power decreases in this nation. They will more likely, take care of their own,(familyetc.) and never join into large blocks neccessary to re-assert their right to be the leaders in this nation any time soon or ever. Instead, they will suck up to the Orientals, Indians, Mexicans, etc. or whatever group it’s neccessaary to suck up to, that assures them of keeping their own status quo. Note, Romney has already stated that he is willing to work FOR, President Obama. Why would that be? Bohner, has already stated that OBAMA CARE, is now LAW. See how useless these European American traitors are towards their own, unlike other “minority” politicians, like hispanics, that have put Obama on notice that he “owes” them and that ” “Immigration reform” must be a priority. (Translaition, Amnesty, jobs, power and influence is a requirement to stay on the side of Hispanics.)

  426. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    November 9, 2012 - 4:08 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if there are any second thoughts among the Republican elite who loved cheap immigrant labor.

  427. WolfHound14's Gravatar WolfHound14
    November 9, 2012 - 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Dr. MacDonald, thank you for speaking of secession. Secession is the only hope and is exactly what is coming. I do think that more and more people will be waking up to this fact every day.

    Up until now, many patriotic whites have held on to the delusion that America could be restored, but the way things are now I think more people are snapping into consciousness of reality out of self-preservation.

    As self-preservation kicks into high gear I believe it will over-ride much of the jewish media/educational indoctrination that has infected most whites.

    It is my belief that the jews are aware of this inevitability and have some very dirty tricks up their sleeve for us. History supports this conclusion and I, personally, envision them acting against us as Trotsky and his Bolsheviks did in Russia.

    The blacks have proven to be an unreliable golem for them and many blacks have wised up to them and actually hate them as much, or more, than they do whites.

    For the last several years it became apparent to anyone looking that their alliance with Hispanics was being finalized, and that their new weapon against us was their brown golem. This can easily verified by typing in “Latino Jewish alliance” in any browser and seeing the results for yourselves.

    The Jews have been very busy in their new efforts weaponizing the Hispanics with increasingly extreme anti white hatreds. I suppose the Jews here in the US feel that their new minions will work for them without problems sensing how easy it was for their Sephardic brothers to rule over Hispanics south of the border to the southern tip of South America so easily for centuries.

    Still, I see more and more jews coming out and pretending to be on “our” side on different websites. I see this as a way of covering their bets. Many Jews are uneasy about this Latino Jewish alliance and rightly understand that their minions will turn on them soon enough. The average Hispanic doesn’t really see Jews much differently than he sees whites, we are all gringos to them.

    It’s going to be getting interesting form here on out.

  428. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    November 9, 2012 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    The larger matter that should concern Newsweek is that the United States is on its way to being third world and history.

  429. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 9, 2012 - 3:58 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius: @norman S:

    Part of building a successful movement involves heading to where the energy already is.

  430. Kenny Lane's Gravatar Kenny Lane
    November 9, 2012 - 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Look at Harold Covington’s comment! He has a plan, and it will work!

  431. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 9, 2012 - 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Newsweek is certainly anti-white. Next week’s headline:

    GOP – you’re old, you’re white, you’re history.

    Where are the cries of hate-talk and editor’s head’s?

  432. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    November 9, 2012 - 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Support for homeschooling for White children could possibly be developed in locales where the schools are dangerous for White students and that teach hostility toward White culture and history. Perhaps some White educators could develop a White-friendly curriculum, and meetings among White parents could be held to discuss pedagogical methods. The Internet might be a useful tool in this regard.

  433. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    November 9, 2012 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

    This new supermajority will now see White Californians as a cash cow, to be milked at will until we see the light and leave. Buying silver at the local flea market or coin shop in one way of postponing paying taxes. Silver should go up but will never go to zero. Or you could bit the bullet now and write a cheque to TOO.

  434. John L. Bell's Gravatar John L. Bell
    November 9, 2012 - 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Most People must have heard that the annoying Bill Maher compared this election cycle to the last Days of the Third Reich at the Battle of the Bulge. Of course Rememberance Day
    is just around the corner in Canada. It’s obvious how Maher sees the World, and Who the enemies are. It should make all
    Conservative White Americans and WHite People everywhere push for a non interventionist foreign policy. We owe these Israeli jerks nothing.

  435. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    November 9, 2012 - 3:15 pm | Permalink

    One encouraging development is that a number of the most listened to Republican pundits have discussed the demographics issue, including Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly and Ann Coulter. They understand that the Republican party consists of Whites, and that Whites are being replaced by non-Whites, and that non-Whites like the government goodies, and are very unlikely to vote Republican, which has been a staple of Pat Buchanan’s articles. At least that is a start.

    The logical conclusion of this knowledge is that for traditional economic America to continue to exist, secession is the only solution. This hasn’t dawned on the Republican leadership or punditry yet of course. However, it is likely that over time as California slouches toward increasingly socialist “gibsmedat” policies, followed by the more obvious disenfranchisement of Whites across the nation, followed by the real pain that this entails; higher taxes, less economic opportunity, joblessness, etc., we will hear more talk of parting ways. Secession is in the realm of the unthinkable in the sphere of public opinion today, but will inevitably become much more interesting for Whites in the dystopia of tomorrow.

  436. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 2:44 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    The best thing we can do is spread the truth about the Anti-White system and the program of destroying every last White area on earth. If the ideas are in the water when some shock comes to the system, people may latch on to them.

    This is why I think spreading ideas to the public helps. I don’t mean deep theories, but simple talking points that they hear. They may reject them at first and for a long time, but when something dramatic happens, they will be more open to listening to a pro-White movement.

    It’s preparing the battlefield. If the White public has been a bit primed with a consistent message, it makes them more likely to listen to our plans. Simply hearing something a few times makes people more likely to think it is true, according to scientific studies.

    If terms like ‘genocide’ are just too harsh for your delicate ears, at least mainstream the use of ‘Anti-White’. At least point out the TRUTH that it is White countries specifically that are pressured into taking mass immigration, and no other race.

    Point out that forced integration is always used ONLY against Whites. Point out that Anti-racist is always just a code word for anti-White. Point out that Africa will still have 50 black African nations by the end of the century, but there won’t be one single majority White country. Point out the Asians and Latinos and Muslims will still have ALL their countries too. It is ONLY White countries being destroyed.

    If you don’t believe what I have said, then have the goddamn intelligence to research it yourself, and discover that it is true. And at least work to mainstream whatever parts of these truths your delicate sensibilities will allow you to handle.

    My tone is not directed at Chechar, of course, just at the Anti-Mantra Pro-Whites who spin a million reasons not to think about it or use any part of it.

  437. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 2:07 pm | Permalink

    @Scott:

    Hey Clueless, you said this:

    “Obama is from the wing of the Democratic Party that is actually perfectly in line with Ron Paul when it comes to Israel. ”

    Really, Clueless? Because I doubt Obama will be cutting off the billions in aid Israel gets every year. I doubt Obama will end the massive military assistance we give them. I doubt Obama will repeal all the laws that make it difficult to do business with countries hostile to Israel. The list goes on. And those are all things Ron Paul would do.

    Rham Emanuel, his close hand, served in the Israeli Military. Thanks for playing, clueless.

  438. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 9, 2012 - 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Has anyone considered that we should be supporting marijuana legalization?

    1) I suspect that white people who smoke too much pot are more likely to be brainwashed multiculturalists, and better to have them passive.

    2) Much more importantly, decriminalizing marijuana is going to result in many black men on the street rather than in prison. These are likely to be more criminally inclined men, as well. So the sudden influx of criminal blacks onto the streets of Denver, Boulder, and Seattle will open the eyes of many whites living there.

    Another issue I think we should be agitating for is open admissions to all universities. The French left pulled this off in the 60’s, there’s no reason we can’t now, using the same language (equality, equal opportunity, blah blah) that the left uses here today. The elite universities are used to produce propaganda, obfuscate the social sciences and lend credibility to leftist ideology, and most of all serve as gatekeepers to economic advancement. Open forcing open admissions on undergraduate admissions (by that I mean some fixed minimum core on an SAT-like test being all that is required to go to Harvard or Yale) would break the ability of Jews to surreptitiously control who has access to economic advancement and force them to be open about their prejudices.

    Those are just two issues among many we should be working on…

  439. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 9, 2012 - 1:45 pm | Permalink

    @Marcus: We have NO tradition of the military acting independently of the civilian government here.

    Even in the Civil War, many southerners sided with the North simply because they were in the military.

  440. November 9, 2012 - 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Whites may not realize the vitriolic visceral hate that Jews have towards Whites, this half-Jew has been viciously celebratory for days now he speaks to colleges all across the country:
    https://twitter.com/timjacobwise
    His remarks on the occasion of the GOP winning the House in 2010 are quite revelatory, this is the archived original, he later went back and heavily edited it, as too many goyim were reading it:

    Tim Wise, Daily Kos Kudos to James Edwards for saving this before it went down the memory hole.

    wise tweeted yesterday in response to this anti-white judaic posting: http://jezebel.com/5958490/twitter-racists-react-to-that-nigger-getting-reelected/gallery/1?tag=racism

  441. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 9, 2012 - 1:34 pm | Permalink

    @Marcus: Drones.

  442. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 9, 2012 - 1:30 pm | Permalink

    In conclusion, I think/hope a new American civil war would play out like the Spanish civil war more than the Russian: the core of the military supported the nationalists, while their opponents couldn’t unite due to profoundly different goals and geography. Now, whether the Spanish patriots could have won without German assistance is another matter.

  443. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 9, 2012 - 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Remember that the military will be majority white for long after the demographics of the country as a whole change. Of course there will be efforts to tamper with this, eg repealing DADT, and citizenship for service. The military is trained to be apolitical at all costs, but eventually human nature will kick in and at least some will stop taking marching orders from a gov. that despises them. Suppose they military simply disbands, who would win a civil war: well armed Euro-Americans (probably joined by ex-military) with control of the interior of the country or mostly urban, limp wristed whites/Jews? Blacks and other minorities would not cooperate with white liberals/Jews if worst came to worst. In the Russian civil war, in which the Jewish Bolsheviks controlled the big cities in Russia’s core and won b/c their enemies couldn’t unite or even find common cause, but in the US’ case the largest cities are on the periphery.

  444. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    November 9, 2012 - 1:13 pm | Permalink

    If the Republican Party agreed to amnesty for illegal aliens, which would allow them to vote, the Republicans would soon lose control permanently of both houses of Congress.

  445. White realist's Gravatar White realist
    November 9, 2012 - 1:08 pm | Permalink
  446. norman S's Gravatar norman S
    November 9, 2012 - 1:07 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Europe may be even worse than the US
    Only Iceland stood up to the banks and I doubt many want to move there.

  447. November 9, 2012 - 1:03 pm | Permalink

    I think the formatting prevented the posting of what I had just written, let me repeat it sans the formatting:
    I loved this piece by the inimitable Dr MacDonald.
    This is something that may well happen:
    I increasingly feel it hardly matters. This is all going to end in tears anyway. To adapt another phrase, the historic American nation (= Anglos) will fight on the beaches, or it will fight in the hills. Even outnumbered, Anglos in Texas and America would be a formidable force—one which probably could not be contained within the current political framework.
    Peter Brimelow 27 February 2011

  448. November 9, 2012 - 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I loved this piece by the inimitable Dr MacDonald.

    I
    increasingly feel it hardly matters. This is all going to end in tears anyway. To adapt
    another

    phrase,
    the historic American nation (= Anglos) will fight on the
    beaches, or it will fight in the hills. Even outnumbered,
    Anglos in Texas and America would be a formidable force—one
    which probably could
    not be contained
    within the current political framework.
    Peter Brimelow 
    27 February 2011

  449. November 9, 2012 - 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Most people and even white nationalists are blind about the coming collapse of the dollar.

    The System lies on all racial issues. But what few nationalists know is that the same could be said about the Keynesian economics that are driving the US straight towards the cliff. Only those who have not made their homework ignore that the United States will soon face economic Armageddon.

    Even if you don’t want to see Peter Schiff’s videos, at least watch the first minutes of the History Channel documentary on “Prophets of Doom”, and pay special attention to what Hagens says about the peak oil and, especially, the peak credit crisis—which is imminent.

    The American Titanic will sink during this Obama administration. Alas, white nationalists won’t believe it until they are already under the water.

    On the positive side, this provides a stupendous opportunity for true revolutionaries and secessionists. The time will come sooner than expected. A large window of opportunity will be opened in the next few years, after the dollar crashes thanks to a second Obama term with Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke.

    @ AWM and HC:

    I wish I could join you, but it looks like the US is preventing whites to come home and is accepting the beaners instead…

  450. Scott's Gravatar Scott
    November 9, 2012 - 12:54 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks

    You obviously are not clued in to the subtleties of Obama. He despises Israel. Why do you think Sheldon Adelson pumped an estimated $47M into the Republican Party? Because Nuttin-yahoo is happy with Obama? LOL, you seem a bit clueless. Obama is from the wing of the Democratic Party that is actually perfectly in line with Ron Paul when it comes to Israel. Like I said, this will be fun to watch.

  451. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    November 9, 2012 - 12:51 pm | Permalink

    What multiculturalist could object to White self-determination?

  452. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    November 9, 2012 - 12:51 pm | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.:

    *Golden Dawn party

  453. Eric's Gravatar Eric
    November 9, 2012 - 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Finally! Someone other than us who’ve been advocating secession through the NWF has actually come out in favor of the idea! It’s about time and better late than never.

    To those naysayers who say ‘Secession in the world’s number 1 nuclear superpower.’ I say this: 1) The USSR split up and the Soviet government did not nuke anyone as it crumbled (2) A guerrilla-style campaign of low-level and strategic violence in the Northwest would be possible, given a few ‘ifs’ (3) Considering the winds in the States blow west to east – I highly doubt even Obongo or his snakes would think of nuking the Pac Northwest, after all, a nuclear bomb is not a big firecracker – fallout travels with the wind, which means that any nuke dropped on Idaho [for example] would create fallout that would devastate parts of Canada, and depending on the wind – could affect cities as far away as Chicago and Denver.

    I’m sorry but the excuse of ‘We can’t secede from the U.S. because they’ll just nuke us’ is hogwash. You’ll have to come up with a better excuse, skippy.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, let’s face facts – the White race in the U.S. is doomed. Obama and his junta of libs and queers and Jews are going to keep chipping away at your rights until you wake up and smell what Obongo is cooking! It’s a cannibal’s pot to boil every White man, woman and child alive in the soup of PC and multiculturalism. I hope all of you enjoy your brownish grandchildren because you were too scared to even discuss the possibility of secession.

    If you are worthy of our ancestors, you will discuss secession – seriously discuss it. After all, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, the defenders of the Alamo and some of our greatest heroes – ‘Stonewall’ Jackson and Robert E. Lee discussed secession.

    If we do not discuss secession now, a time will come when we cannot discuss anything other than the price of gas, the price of Obamacare, and what the heck happened to the country as it sinks into the quagmire of Thirdworld dictatorship.

  454. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    November 9, 2012 - 12:51 pm | Permalink

    I find it extremely suspicious that Kevin MacDonald has not written or published any articles about the Golden Party in Greece on the TOO blog.

    Here you have an openly anti-Jewish, racialist national socialist party in a Western nation that is accomplishing real things in the real world, and Kevin MacDonald doesn’t have a word to say about it.

    Hmm.

  455. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 12:41 pm | Permalink

    This TOO site always reminds me, those who are only interested in Jews for some religious reason are useless. There is a tiny little group of Christians who think the reason Jews are evil is because they rejected Christ’s love, or something like that. Other than that, they are fine with them. So, they believe history is noting but a story of those Christ-rejecters have had one Conspiracy after the other to befuzzle poor ol’ Aryan.

    I mean come on.

  456. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 9, 2012 - 12:38 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Have you been to Europe lately?

    London, Paris, Barcelona, Munich and Brussels don’t seem all that different from LA, NY, Chicago, St. Louis and Indianapolis. Our best demographic chance would be Hungary, Romania, Serbia, Croatia, Poland, Ukraine, and the Baltics (all of whom hate each other, incidentally). Russia alone would be sufficient, but the exploding Muslim population there would put us back in the same position we are in here.

  457. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 12:37 pm | Permalink

    @Scott:

    Well, given that Obama is surrounded by Jews, is called the first Jewish president, and got 75% of his money from Jews, I wouldn’t be surprised if Israel is pretty happy with Obama.

    The Zionists like Bibi are usually the least Anti-White. It’s the Leftist, often non-Zionist Jews, who are the most hateful to Whites. I don’t know why WN can’t get this straight.

  458. Scott's Gravatar Scott
    November 9, 2012 - 12:32 pm | Permalink

    The great silver lining of this election, to which Kevin alluded, is the fact that Obama will piss off Israel and the Zio filth in this country for the next 4 years. And I just can’t overstate the pleasure I take in that. (I’m a glass half full guy)

  459. Rainer's Gravatar Rainer
    November 9, 2012 - 12:22 pm | Permalink

    I appreciate your perspective Dr. MacDonald. I seceded mentally years ago and put most of my energy and hope for the future into my family.

    White Republicans should look at the performance of Dick Morris, Charles Krauthammer and Karl Rove in predicting the outcome of this election and find cause to doubt these same men when it comes to their support for amnesty for illegals and increased outreach to minorities by Republicans.

    Meanwhile, Drudge has a photo of George P. Bush, the mestizo son of Jeb Bush on his page today. The mestizo Bush has made a campaign filing to enter a state race in Texas. I don’t hold out much hope for the Republican party or the state of Texas, and resource-rich Texas and Louisiana would be viable candidates for secession.

  460. Darth Vader's Gravatar Darth Vader
    November 9, 2012 - 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Just wait till the Democrats start implementing their policies.

    There are going to be a lot of white men coming out of their shells and suddenly joining in the succession movement.

    Just wait.

    They won’t do anything yet — as long as they have their wealth (Glenn Beck, Bachmann, Trump, etc, etc, etc).

    If there is anything that’ll drive a white man crazy, it’ll be someone stealing his wealth.

  461. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 9, 2012 - 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Secession? You have to be kidding me. Do we really think a bunch of rag-tag militia are going to be able to go up against the tanks and unmanned aerial drones of the government? That wouldn’t be a fight at all, it’d be a massacre.

    Migration back to Europe is the best answer. Cut your losses and head back to the homeland. The non-Whites here will live in filth and squalor without Whites running things for them. That’ll be our revenge against them.

  462. mark's Gravatar mark
    November 9, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    It is a mistake to say that the Republican Party is the “White Party”. The Republican Party represents only a very, very tiny portion of the White population, perhaps 2% at best, because of its “free market capitalism” position and for other reasons. When there are more parties that represent White interests, including ones that have economic programs more similar to National Socialist Germany, you will see the Republican Party evaporate into thin air. That’s what we should be pushing for, not a party that represents only a few.

    But the Republican Party doesn’t want any other parties that represent White interests because as it is now they have a lock on the White vote, or at least the majority of the White vote, and they don’t want any other White parities screwing it up for them.

  463. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 12:06 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius:

    And yes, most of the North appears useless. However, there are some good Whites that would migrate to another region. The region most likely is the old Confederacy. Lots of blacks you say? Yeah, I don’t know how it will all work out.

    But I have a feeling that in a year or two, the death of the Old America will finally sink in to a lot of regular Whites.

  464. AWM's Gravatar AWM
    November 9, 2012 - 12:05 pm | Permalink

    @Harold A. Covington: Packing as you speak. Hand wringing time is over.

  465. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 12:02 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius:

    You are right, it is no easy task, and not something to be rushed into. There isn’t even real popular support for it (I don’t think). but I can see it growing in some quarters.

    Basically, the Anti-Whites are putting us on Death Ground. Since I believe we are being subjected to an ongoing program of White Genocide, and since without a doubt our country and rights have already been taken from us, we have been put in a position of having little to lose.

  466. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 9, 2012 - 11:51 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Secession is extremely difficult under any circumstances, but what part of the country really lends itself to it?

    The most demographically favorable areas-New England and the Upper Midwest (well until Somalis overrun Minnesota)– are also the most brainwashed and multicultural.

  467. secession2013's Gravatar secession2013
    November 9, 2012 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    You nailed it. The system saw it coming and prepared with TSA and military vehicles and FEMA camps and coffins and billions of bullets purchased.

    They’ll be restricting guns asap.

    I’ve heard more calls for secession, specifically from the south, than I ever imagined.

    Will anything come from it? I think so, if only as a government false flag to remove vestigial rights we retain like semi free speech

  468. November 9, 2012 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    At the risk of starting up the Goat Dance again by my very presence, I would like to point out that a viable and detailed plan for secession and the establishment of a White Homeland in the Pacific Northwest already does exist. I would like to direct your readers to my post-election podcast at

    Wednesday, November 07, 2012
    Radio Free Northwest – November 8th, 2012

    http://northwestfront.org/2012/11/radio-free-northwest-november-8th-2012/

    This is a short one, only 34 minutes, but I think you’ll find it instructive.

  469. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 11:48 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Yes, the problem with Romney is that too many Whites get suckered into thinking we have “restored White America”. No, it is better for Whites to face facts as soon as possible.

  470. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 9, 2012 - 11:39 am | Permalink

    A lot of what KM says seems quite promising. Would he situation have been better or worse had Romney won? Given the demographics and everything else are all going in the same direction whoever wins.
    If that day of realizing impotence has to come, earlier is probably better than later.

  471. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    Secession would be wonderful and may be the only answer in the long run. By the way, I would encourage all White men to get rifles and guns for self-protection while they still can. It will be a few years before they can limit guns (I think), but as soon as they can, with Obama appointing Supreme Court justices, there will be all kinds of limitations coming.

    Might be better to wait a few months if prices have jacked up at the moment. But getting them is important for self-protection. And because a region heavily armed is more likely to be allowed to go it’s own way, I would suspect.

  472. Freki's Gravatar Freki
    November 9, 2012 - 11:30 am | Permalink

    Secession within the world’s No 1 nuclear superpower? Highly unlikely. Does the doc himself seriously believe in secession?

  473. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 9, 2012 - 11:26 am | Permalink

    @Kecin MacDonald, Given the traditional demographic composition of the military, the neglect of absentee ballots could be seen as another example of white disenfranchisement. Regarding the white, more properly Caucasian, statistical category, I’m seeing many (mainly Christian) mid-easterners identify with whites, of course they are mainly from the first wave of Mideastern immigrants, most arrivals in the past decade have been Muslim or Jewish.

  474. November 9, 2012 - 10:58 am | Permalink

    Very insightful article. Thanks.

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