Ron Unz on the illusory American meritocracy

Kevin MacDonald

French Translation, by Armor


An enduring aspect of the self-concept of Jews is that their ascent to elite status in America and elsewhere is the natural result of a meritocracy. For example, after Elena Kagan was nominated for the Supreme Court, Robert Frank penned an article in the Wall Street Journal (“That Bright, Dying Star, the American WASP”) hailing the rise of a meritocracy where Jews could finally assume their rightful place as an elite, and cheering the demise of those lazy, corrupt WASPs who did everything they could to thwart the rise of the Jews, including placing limits on Jewish enrollment in the elite universities.  The fact that Kagan is remarkably unqualified to be a Supreme Court Justice in terms of the usual standards (judicial experience, academic publications, or even courtroom experience) never seems to have entered his mind. In Frank’s view, her ascent from Princeton undergraduate to Harvard Law, to high-level government positions and dean of Harvard Law is the American meritocracy in action—a view that conveniently ignores the role of her Jewish ethnic connections (see also here) in greasing her ascent, most egregiously her appointment as dean of Harvard Law by Larry Summers.

Ron Unz has published a very important article showing that Kagan’s remarkable rise is a symptom of a far wider issue—that Jewish admission to elite universities is far from meritocratic (“The myth of American meritocracy: How corrupt are Ivy League admissions?”). (On the basis of Unz’s article, it would be interesting to look at Kagan’s SAT and LSAT scores!) Because of their role in replenishing elites, university admissions is a huge lever of power. The implication of Unz’s article (although he would probably shy away from this wording) is that a Jewish elite now controls this lever of power and has used it to its advantage, resulting in a massive overrepresentation of Jews in elite universities compared to their academic qualifications or intelligence, while discriminating against non-Jewish Whites and against Asians.


There are several important messages for White advocates. The first is that Asian immigration is now a major contributing factor in the displacement of White elites. For example, in California Asians represent about 11 percent of the student-age population, Whites around 33%. A last-name analysis indicated that Asians constituted almost 60 percent of the National Merit Scholarship semifinalists in the state. Unz argues persuasively that Caltech and the highest ranking campuses of the University of California have been meritocratic, but that has meant an Asian enrollment of around 40%. The data for Caltech show Asian admissions increasing along with the increase in Asian population. This indicates that the present 40% figure will continue to grow unless limits are placed on Asian immigration or enrollment in state universities.

Secondly, there are strong indications that Jews are maintaining and even increasing their overrepresentation in elite universities at a level that is far above levels warranted by their academic performance. The overrepresentation of Jews in elite academic institutions has long been apparent, even correcting for Jewish IQ:

On the basis of Richard Lynn’s estimates of Ashkenazi Jewish IQ [110.7] and correcting for the greater numbers of European Whites, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or  4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews is around 1 to 1 or less. (See here.) … The brouhaha that engulfed the Princeton campus because Jews were “only” overrepresented by around 6.5 times their percentage of the population suggests that there is considerable pressure for high levels of Jewish admission. The Daily Princetonian ran four front-page articles on the topic, and the New York Times ran an article titled “The Princeton Puzzle.” (See here; the original NYTimes article is here.) Clearly anything less than 20% Jewish enrollment would be met with raised eyebrows and perhaps intimations of anti-Semitism. The big picture is that this is a prime example of the corruption of our new elite. (see “Jewish overrepresentation at elite universities explained”)

For me, the most surprising aspect of Unz’s analysis was his finding of Jewish intellectual decline, as measured by performance on a wide range of competitions, from NSM semifinalists (which emphasize verbal achievement, a traditional Jewish strength), to math and science prizes. In explaining these findings, Unz points to increasing Jewish complacency and lack of effort, supporting his argument by noting that some recent Jewish standouts have been more likely to be immigrants from the former Soviet Union and therefore more likely to be highly motivated. One gets the image of third- and fourth-generation Jews, born to wealth and a sense of entitlement, seeing no need to work hard to ascend to elite status—and being quite correct in that assessment. Further, he notes that an increasing percentage of Jews come from the Orthodox, a group with relatively low IQ.

On the basis of academic achievement, Unz estimates that Jews should be around 6% of top students, far lower than the ~25% found at elite universities, terming this gap “totally absurd and ridiculous.” “Over the last decade or two, meritocracy and Jewish numbers have become opposing forces: the stricter the meritocratic standard, the fewer the Jews admitted.”

Unz argues persuasively that the elite Ivy League universities are discriminating against Asians, a group that has consistently outperformed Jews as National Merit Semifinalists (NSM) by a factor of 2 yet their percentage has remained at around 17% of Harvard undergrads since the early 1990s. Unz notes that, “assuming an admissions system based on strictest objective meritocracy, we would expect our elite academic institutions to contain nearly five Asians for every Jew; but instead, the Jews are far more numerous, in some important cases by almost a factor of two. This raises obvious suspicions about the fairness of the Ivy League admissions process.”

But the numbers for Jewish overrepresentation compared to Whites are even more striking. Corresponding to the collapse of Jewish academic achievement has been an increase in the percentage of high-performing Whites in math and science competitions. And whereas the performance of Jews has declined dramatically, the performance for Whites has stayed approximately the same—an amazing and very heartening finding considering the corrosive effect of the MTV culture and a public school system whose main function would seem to be spewing multicultural propaganda and White guilt rather than academic rigor. “Based on the overall distribution of America’s population, it appears that approximately 65–70 percent of America’s highest ability students are non-Jewish whites, well over ten times the Jewish total of under 6 percent.”

Unz’s table on p. 31 (see below) shows that Whites are underrepresented compared to their population at all elite universities. Whites are therefore highly discriminated against: “Based on reported statistics, Jews approximately match or even outnumber non-Jewish whites at Harvard and most of the other Ivy League schools, which seems wildly disproportionate. Indeed, the official statistics indicate that non-Jewish whites at Harvard are America’s most under-represented population group, enrolled at a much lower fraction of their national population [18%] than blacks or Hispanics, despite having far higher academic test scores.”

Indeed, the following analysis implies that, compared to Jews, non-Jewish Whites are represented at 1/15th of the level they would be in a meritocratic system:

If we separate out the Jewish students, their ratio [of enrollment percentage to NSM semifinalist percentage] turns out to be 435 percent [in other words, there are well over 4 times as many Jews as a meritocratic system would predict], while the residual ratio for non-Jewish whites drops to just 28 percent [a bit over 1/4th what a meritocratic system would predict and] less than half of even the Asian figure. As a consequence, Asians appear under-represented relative to Jews by a factor of seven, while non-Jewish whites are by far the most under-represented group of all, despite any benefits they might receive from athletic, legacy, or geographical distribution factors.

These trends have been increasing in recent years.

Between 2000 and 2011, the relative percentage of college-age blacks enrolled at Harvard dropped by 18 percent, along with declines of 13 percent for Asians and 11 percent for Hispanics, while only whites increased, expanding their relative enrollment by 16 percent. However, this is merely an optical illusion: in fact, the figure for non-Jewish whites slightly declined, while the relative enrollment of Jews increased by over 35 percent, probably reaching the highest level in Harvard’s entire history. Thus, the relative presence of Jews rose sharply while that of all other groups declined, and this occurred during exactly the period when the once-remarkable academic performance of Jewish high school students seemed to suddenly collapse.

As Jewish enrollment has soared, Harvard and other elite universities are choosing less and less on academic ability, as indicated by lower percentages of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. And Jewish students who are admitted to Harvard are much less likely than their non-Jewish White counterparts to be admitted to Phi Beta Kappa, indicating that they don’t do particularly well once admitted.

Not only did these trends occur after the collapse of Jewish academic achievement, they occurred after Unz’s original Wall Street Journal op-ed of 1998 (“Some minorities are more minor than others”) which called attention to the overrepresentation of Jews and the underrepresentation of non-Jewish Whites in the Ivy League. “Since then Jewish academic achievement has seemingly collapsed but relative Jewish enrollment in the Ivies has generally risen, while the exact opposite combination has occurred for both Asians and non- Jewish whites. I find this a strange and unexpected development.”

I find it appalling. And it suggests that the patterns of massive Jewish overrepresentation and massive non-Jewish White underrepresentation will continue into the future because publicity makes no difference. The fact that these imbalances can be maintained despite public knowledge is an important marker of Jewish power.

Unz suggests that an important reason for the dramatic Jewish overrepresentation is the large number of Jews in faculty and administrative positions at elite universities. He points to the “massive overrepresentation is found throughout the …  top administrative ranks of the rest of the Ivy League, and across American leading educational institutions in general.” He also points to the “overwhelmingly liberal orientation of the elite university community, the apparent willingness of many liberals to actively discriminate against non-liberals, and the fact that American Jews remain perhaps the most liberal ethnic community may together help explain a significant portion of our skewed enrollment statistics.”

Indeed. These are the themes of a paper of mine (“Why are professors liberals?”) arguing that the liberal orientation of the American professoriate is a top-down phenomenon stemming from the very large overrepresentation of Jews at the highest levels of academia with values that reflect the values of the mainstream Jewish community but are quite at odds with the values of the great majority of non-Jewish White Americans. I argue that just as Jewish ethnic networking is critical to the massive overrepresentation of Jews admitted to elite universities, Jewish ethnic networking has been critical to Jewish success in scaling the heights of the professoriate. Indeed, a major theme of The Culture of Critiqueis that the academic culture of the left (e.g., the Frankfurt School, Boasian anthropology and the anti-Darwinian thrust of the social sciences) has nothing whatever to do with scientific or intellectual rigor, but is the result of Jewish ethnic networking.

And yes, liberals in the academic world are quite willing to admit that they would discriminate against non-liberals (see Inbar, Y., & Lammers, J. [2012]. Political diversity in social and personality psychology. Perspectives in Psychological Science, [Sept. 2012].

The underrepresentation of non-Jewish Whites at elite universities is yet another indication that the displacement of non-Jewish White elites is moving ahead rapidly and that it’s completely beyond public discussion. Unz notes that Jewish activist organizations and Jews in the media led the charge against quotas on Jewish enrollment. Indeed, he is remarkably candid about Jewish media influence, saying just the sorts of things that get people like me on the wrong side of the ADL:

[Jerome] Karabel convincingly demonstrates that the collapse of the long-standing Jewish quotas in the Ivy League during the decade following World War II occurred as a result of massive media and political pressure, pressure surely facilitated by very heavy Jewish ownership of America’s major media organs, including all three television networks, eight of nine major Hollywood studios, and many of the leading newspapers, including both the New York Times and the Washington Post.

But there are no analogous organizations advance the interests of non-Jewish Whites (or Asians, for that matter) in fairness in academic admissions (and much else).

It’s therefore not surprising that Unz’s article is not getting the sort of media buzz that, say, an article on the victimization of groups loved by the left (non-Whites, immigrants, gays, etc.) would receive. As Unz notes, “any significant reduction in Jewish enrollment may often be denounced as [anti-Semitism] by the hair-trigger media”—the same media that yawns at the gaping underrepresentation of non-Jewish Whites.

As someone who has written extensively about Jewish power and ethnic networking without success in getting it discussed in the mainstream media or academic world, I can’t say I am surprised at the virtual blackout of Unz’s article. I subscribe to the Jewish Telegraph Agency’s email newsletter which keeps obsessive track of all things Jewish. But no mention at all of Unz’s article. So why should Harvard change its ways when there is no pressure for doing so? Asian activist groups will doubtless take heart from his findings and perhaps pursue them publicly. But they will be able to do so without having to raise any Jewish issues, making the very respectable claim that Harvard et al. are too White. In a recent blog, Unz notes that an Asian-American professor has publicized Unz’s findings, but predictably, the professor cares only about the Asians and not the non-Jewish Whites. The complete lack of powerful groups seeking to advance the interests of non-Jewish White Americans has never been more glaring.

Perhaps an enterprising non-Jewish White person could use Unz’s article as the basis for a law suit, but doing so would perforce open the can of worms that respectable America still abhors—dealing in an honest way with Jewish issues. For one thing, it would require an argument that it makes sense to formally distinguish Jews and non-Jewish Whites as separate groups, contrary to present practice where there is no Jewish category in the official university statistics. An argument that Jews should not be considered Whites could be made, highlighting the following points:

  • Population genetic data indicate that Jews are a Middle Eastern group and that there is substantial genetic distance between Europeans and Jews.
  • Jews typically do not identify with the people and culture of Christian Europe and its offshoots; traditional Jewish attitudes conceptualize Judaism as separate from White, Christian society; partly because of their lack of identification with non-White Christian culture, Jewish groups have led the campaign to remove Christianity from the public square;
  • there is a long history of very mainstream Jewish activism and identity that sees Christian Europe as an evil outgroup responsible for a long history of persecuting Jews; an important aspect of Jewish self-conception in America—apparent in much of the material reviewed by Unz, such as Jerome Karabel’s work—is that Jews were subjected to quotas at Ivy League universities until after World War II;
  • Jews are a relatively powerful group that has often been in competition with non-Jewish Europeans; Ivy League enrollments may be seen as one aspect of that competition;
  • Jewish ethnic activism typically excludes non-Jewish Whites and favors Jews, as in the appointment of Elena Kagan and the Jewish campaign to increase Jewish enrollment in Ivy League universities mentioned above;
  • As a result, the distinction between Jew and non-Jewish White is of considerable real world importance.

But such an argument would be strenuously resisted by the powers that be.

The pattern of admission to Ivy League universities is an egregious example of Jews achieving elite status far in excess of Jewish IQ or any other personal trait. This phenomenon has occurred in other times and places, such as the conflict over Jewish cultural domination in the Soviet Union:

Beginning at least by 1942, there was concern within high governmental circles with the underrepresentation of ethnic Russians and the overrepresentation of Jews in key areas of the cultural and economic elite [because they needed ethnic Russians to fight the war against Germany]. The report noted that elite cultural institutions “turned out to be filled by non-Russian people (mainly by Jews)” (in Kostyrchenko 1995, 15). For example, of the ten top executives of the Bolshoi Theater—the most prestigious Soviet cultural institution—there were eight Jews and one Russian. Similar disproportions were reported in prestigious musical conservatories and among art and music reviewers in elite publications. Higher Jewish IQ seems inadequate to account for these disproportions, suggesting within-group collusion as a factor. (SAID, Chapter 2, pp. 51)

These findings are quite compatible with the findings of Yuri Slezkine (The Jewish Century) on Jewish intellectual and cultural domination of the USSR, diminishing (but still strong) only after WWII.

Jews seek to be included in the White category whenever it benefits them. The same groups that are horrified at “White domination” would never complain about Jewish domination. Every year at Oscar time, the LATimes bemoans the fact that “White males” dominate Hollywood, but they never point out that all those White males are Jewish. And they never seem too bothered by the fact that nothing changes. Jews have dominated Hollywood for nearly a century, with no end in sight despite common knowledge of the situation. I rather doubt it will be different in the case of university admissions.

Finally, Unz makes the important point that although the WASPs did indeed attempt to hang onto their elite status by limiting Jewish enrollment, they had far more legitimacy than the present Jewish ascendancy:

Many of the Jewish writers who focus on the history of elite university admissions … rebuked the America of the first half of the Twentieth Century for having been governed by a narrow WASP ascendency, which overwhelmingly dominated and controlled the commanding heights of business, finance, education, and politics; and some of    their criticisms are not unreasonable. But we should bear in mind that this dominant group of White Anglo-Saxon Protestants—largely descended from among the earliest American settlers and which had gradually absorbed and assimilated substantial elements of Celtic, Dutch, German, and French background— was generally aligned in culture, religion, ideology, and ancestry with perhaps 60 percent of America’s total population at the time, and therefore hardly represented an alien presence. By contrast, a similarly overwhelming domination by a tiny segment of America’s current population, one which is completely misaligned in all these respects, seems far less inherently stable, especially when the institutional roots of such domination have continually increased despite the collapse of the supposedly meritocratic justification. This does not seem like a recipe for a healthy and successful society, nor one which will even long survive in anything like its current form. Power corrupts and an extreme concentration of power even more so, especially when that concentration of power is endlessly praised and glorified by the major media and the prominent intellectuals which together constitute such an important element of that power.

Exactly right. Indeed, the WASPs were racially aligned with around 90% of the American population. And I would go further and note that the new Jewish elite is not only unrepresentative of the traditional people of America, it has shown over and over again that it is a hostile elite—hostile to the traditional people and culture of America. (Similarly, Slezkine shows that Jewish intellectual and cultural domination in the USSR and throughout Eastern Europe was directed against the traditional national cultures of those societies.) In addition to the bulleted list above (e.g., Jewish leadership in removing Christianity from the public square), Jews were the main force behind the 1965 immigration law which is rapidly making non-Jewish Whites into a minority. This is the ultimate indication of the Jewish lack of identification with the traditional people and culture of America. As Whites continue to lose political power and are displaced from their elite status, their fate will increasingly be in the hands of peoples, such as Jews, who have shown repeatedly that they are hostile to the interests of Whites — first and foremost the interests of Whites in maintaining political and cultural power.

The bottom line, therefore, is that the new Jewish elite is illegitimate. Not only is it not representative of the traditional people and culture of the people who built America, it has achieved elite status in great measure not as a result of merit but because of ethnic networking (e.g., Hollywood and the media, academia); and now Unz has shown conclusively that its vast overrepresentation in elite universities is being maintained largely through Jewish ethnic networking.

In my 1998 book, The Culture of Critique, I predicted the rise of a Jewish cultural and media elite and an Asian technocratic elite. As Unz shows, the rise of Asians in technical areas is well underway and will continue to grow in the future along with the Asian population.

And I agree with Unz that the situation is indeed unstable. The last several elections have shown that American politics has become increasingly racialized, with Whites of all social classes, age categories, and both sexes tending to vote Republican. This despite the fact that Romney was hardly likely to come to the rescue of White America, and despite the fact that many of his policies were against the economic interests of many of the Whites who voted for him. Any student of history is aware of the enormous forces that ethnic conflict has unleashed in the past; and ethnic conflict continues in many parts of the contemporary world. When White Americans of the future—quite possibly the very near future—discover the world they have lost and the reasons they lost that world, the results may well be cataclysmic.

Ron Unz has made a major contribution with this article. Let’s hope it has the effect of waking up some of the many millions of slumbering, fearful Whites who are presently just standing by and watching their displacement.

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359 Comments to "Ron Unz on the illusory American meritocracy"

  1. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 2, 2013 - 3:02 pm | Permalink


    The embryonic potential to translate tribality is probably a very important and beautiful prerequisite to getting to the stars. But….in our case it bloomed a tad too early. Needed a few more generations of beastly ancesters. In fact the trait was kind of induced in a premature birth by an evil doctor who wanted the baby and mother dead. Nevermind. Not over till it’s over and all that.

  2. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 2, 2013 - 2:43 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    It’s odd that a race with unique physical and intellectual attributes wouldn’t develop a fierce ethnocentrism to defend those attributes. How does one explain the pathological altruism of the Northern Europeans apart from centuries of dysgenic breeding as a result of bad philosophy? In this instance, dysgenic breeding basically means breeding aggression out of the Nordic peoples.

  3. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 2, 2013 - 2:09 pm | Permalink


    My answer is that I suspect a human evolution explanation. Before the speciation event that took us into the modern era of humanity (eventually civilization), there was probably a lot of other speciation events getting close to or crossing that line…..but that were quickly subsumed back into the larger non-human population (because speciations happen to small populations and if they are surrounded by larger and the speciation is largely in the brain, then the smaller population probably interbreeds and gets lost.
    To a great extent that cauldron of speciation and subsumation pushed the ‘niche landscape walk’ onto a higher level of abstraction and allowed evolution to actually start seeking a solution to that problem of being assimilated back into the mass (the problem was probably uniquely new in the history of life since it was occuring at conceptual not physical levels given it was mostly occuring in the brain).

    …and…eventually that solution came in the form of a speciation event that created physical and mental characteristics that were very recessive. As in, did not survive interbreeding with the larger surrounding population. Evolution had solved the problem by turning things on their head. It was fine to interbreed, but the speciated population was protected because your progeny would look and be more like the other half of the intermarriage.

    Hence white skin, blue/green/gray eyes, light hair, plus a whole load of other HIGHLY RECESSIVE mental and physical characteristics.

    I suppose the good news out of that is, yes we have been brought within sight of our own extinction. But also yes…at the racial level we have major fighting chance simply beause in fact we originally evolved to survive massive assimilation pressure…..that was actually a key problem evolution had to solve.

  4. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 2, 2013 - 1:29 pm | Permalink


    Why not do private ownership by contract as well then? You can persuade whoever you do business with you that own your watch, car and house. Also as a condition of visiting your house. But there’s no contract betwen you and I, so maybe I will just wait till you leave and go take ownership.

    This is what you are asking people that own intellectual property to do.

    The reason I think a lot of ‘libertarians’ do this about intellectual property, is basically because the one time all their principles about morality and lawfulness gets challenged is when it comes to illegal downloads…and on that test they end up going with the downloads and then concoct a load of rationalizations because they donm’t want to feel like hypocrites.

    This is very human so no problem, but don’t it make yer laugh

  5. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    January 2, 2013 - 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, Trenchant, I’ll check it out !

  6. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 1, 2013 - 9:28 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: Sure. You might like this too. The “Amen Break” illustrates how derivative creation really is, and the problems of folding lawyers into the artistic mix.

  7. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    January 1, 2013 - 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Thanks very much, Trenchant ! Let’s keep in touch.
    Since my rightism is dissident to some extent around here I try to be selective in the threads I post on. But I definitely want to have more intellectually stimulating exchanges with you as I always learn something.
    Cheers !

  8. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 1, 2013 - 1:14 am | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: Best for 2013 to you, too.

  9. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 31, 2012 - 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, Trenchant. Let me reread your finely argued posting above and chew it over. You seem to make great points but I honestly haven’t given too much thought on the issue.
    Happy New Year !

  10. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 30, 2012 - 6:27 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: absurdem. “absurdum”!

  11. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 30, 2012 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:
    The Marxist labour theory of value is what copyright rests on. I sweated over an intellectual work, therefore I have a right to a monopoly franchise thereon. Problem is that the framework for enforcing that right is paid for from others’ pockets, whether they enjoy the work or not. Rearden Metal has every right to bind its employees mouths with secrecy provisions in their employment contracts, and stipulate terms to its customers. Trade secrets are perfectly legitimate, and do not encroach on the freedoms of the general public (costs are borne by the interested parties alone). If you read Boldrin and Levine ( you will see how many cutting-edge industries relied purely on this mechanism. Off the top of my head, the Swiss dyeing and food industries flourished because reverse engineering was difficult or impossible. Swiss horologists couldn’t prevent their product being disassembled and analyzed but could guard carefully the tools used to produce the watches and frustrate copiers.
    Now, I’m not suggesting that authors or film-makers can’t make money, just that they do so with consent. Contract law is perfectly appropriate for this. Parties not bound by contract have no obligation to each other.
    Randians protest that without the carrot of an enforceable franchise, no incentive to create exists, but this is begging the question. The creative work is shaped by the legislative framework. The Spielberg blockbuster is that much easier to finance because profits can be reaped far into the future. Were the framework merely a contractual one binding creator and consumer, copying by parties not bound by contract would make large projects much riskier than small ones. The whole playing field would change. Assuming the demand for entertainment were unchanged, then the gap left by the blockbuster dinosaur would allow many more micro-productions to be born. The latter are more attractive because the number of works needed to sell to reach break-even is relatively fewer. The enormous concentration of ownership would give way to a much more open field of smaller players.

    Paul Cantor has some good LvMI podcasts on the ways authors (Shakespeare, Dickens etc.) used to extract profits from their toils prior to IP protection.

    Reductio ab absurdem shows the flaws in Rand’s reasoning. If ideas are indeed property, why shouldn’t they be protected forever? My wristwatch can be can handed down to future generations for eons, and no one can protest the legitimacy of this transfer. Imagine if every new idea attracted royalties in perpetuum? It’s perfectly logical and perfectly diabolical.

  12. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 29, 2012 - 11:47 pm | Permalink

    Trenchant, you make some good points as Rothbard, Walter Block and Dominic Armentano are definitely better on monopoly theory than Mises.
    Notwithstanding the statist royal origins of patents isn’t an inventor entitled to be the exclusive user of his own product for a while ? Rand gave the example of some collectivist saying ‘Why should Rearden be the only to be able to manufacture Rearden Metal ?’ in Atlas Shrugged.
    You could label any time element as arbitrary but isn’t a reasonable, limited period necessary for the creator, inventor or industrialist, to reap the profits of his intellect ?
    Anyway I’m not set in stone here, just trying to figure it out.
    Yes, Rand was terribly niggardly in acknowledging any other intellectual sources other than Aristotle and she was simply lying here. She was greatly indebted intellectually to Isabel Paterson, author of The God Of The Machine, as just a very personal intellectual influence, and she borrowed her ideas from a host of others including her critique of Kant.
    The hardcore Randroids like the Ayn Rand Institute and people like James Valliant are just willfully stupid in this regard.
    Rand also changed her mind on free will, foreign policy, eminent domain and gun control. 1& 3 for the better, 2 & 4
    for the worse.
    She was very original in many ways and if all she did was integrate the classical liberal (in the old sense) tradition into a more coherent, comprehensive philosophy that would be more than 99.99% of what most people do.
    She denied brilliance but claimed personal honesty, I think it was just the opposite, she was brilliant but lied about her personal history, unfortunately a very common trait.
    We all have heard of resumes !
    There is one older Jew in Berkeley who’s a Zionist fanatic and lives on Zorro copyrights so that may enforce your point on this subject.
    Thanks for your consistent intellectual stimulation !

  13. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 28, 2012 - 5:53 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Erratum corrige: the Crown granted the printers a monopoly franchise, not vice versa.

  14. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 28, 2012 - 5:45 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: 50 years, 2 years, 6 trillion years…no need for me to belabour the point about arbitrariness (on what logical basis is Fair Use established?)

    Correct on Rothbard, but Mises is more nuanced and ambiguous on IP (but definitely wrong on monopoly theory, where Rothbard/Block/Armentano offer valid critiques).

    Fact is, Rand like every author, consciously or otherwise, amalgamates ideas from other material they’ve read, and originality is very much a relative thing. (Rand channelling Zamatin without acknowledging it, unlike Orwell?)

    Copyright going back to the Statute of Anne was always a squalid deal between the printers’ guild and the Crown, the former offering a monopoly franchise to the latter, with the quid pro quo being veto power over content (can’t have the unwashed reading seditious scribblings). The essential dynamics haven’t changed, even though it’s now Jews who are the most important franchise-holders.

  15. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 28, 2012 - 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Trenchant, you make some good points above. Rand liked the British law which limited copyrights & patents to fifty years.
    She wrote an article on this in The Objectivist Newsletter in the early 60s. I donated my vast Rand to a budding historian so I don’t have it handy to look up but it might be available online.
    Even if you bought the bound volume of the Newsletter from 1962 to 1965, it’s usually not expensive at Amazon, Halfcom,
    Alibris, Abe Books, etc.
    Rothbard was for copyrights but against patents, think Mises was the same, but since I do have all of both their works I can look it up.
    Lew has had many articles attacking patents over the years, confess to mixed feelings about the subject which I haven’t thought about for a while.
    You can make the argument that limited patents & copyrights do in fact protect the rights of the original creator for a delimited time period but obviously it can’t go on forever.
    Let me get back to you on this.
    Since I had 16 years of a classical Roman Catholic education, the first twelve here in San Francisco and then a Jesuit university in Texas and I sided with Dad’s politics over Mom’s, it is out of loyalty to Mom that I identify as a secular Jew. My Irish identity is also very much a part of me.
    Often I just say that I’m an Irish-American Jew which satisfies no one but I think it the most honest description.
    Thanks for asking !

  16. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    December 28, 2012 - 1:41 pm | Permalink

    The medical swindle (cartoon) by A. Wyatt Mann

  17. omop's Gravatar omop
    December 28, 2012 - 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Interesting conclusion and in sync with what A.M. Burovsky a Russian political analyst made in article in the OOT.

    Professor Burovsky concludes his study of the Jews by predicting that their domination of many spheres of Western life in the 20th century will likely end in the 21st century — not because the Jews will abandon their Empire of the Intellect, but because the host nations have learned their Jewish lesson, i.e., they have tried with considerable success to eliminate illiteracy and promote education for their own people.

    This occurs when a point is reached in any particular country, where the Jews have been dominant, that the people of the host nation decide to manage their own affairs. The point is reached when the people finally realize that their own traditional mores and values have been undermined and replaced by alien values. The parting of the ways may be recognized and peacefully accepted by both parties or it may result in expulsions or worse.

    ” When future white Americans….possibly the near future…realize the world why they have lost and the reasons of their loss, the results could be catastrophic.”

  18. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 28, 2012 - 1:36 am | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: I wasn’t aware of the tensions between Forrestal and his wife and son, thanks. Peikoff is shocker, but even if he weren’t, I find Objectivism founders on the same point we touched above, ie. the essential arbitrariness of definitions like sane or insane. When does quaint, idiosyncratic, eccentric turn into mad? And who draws the line, and on what criteria? The idea that justice can be objectified is similarly erroneous.

    Likewise, I think Rand especially, but Rothbard and Mises to a lesser extent, are wrong on copyright, which has facilitated the control of culture by the middleman, not the creator.

  19. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 27, 2012 - 11:27 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    This is off-topic, but I’m just curious: with an Irish (right?) father and a Jewish mother, is there something beyond the law of matrilineal descent that makes you specifically identify as a Jew? Do you “feel” more Jewish than Irish despite being half and half? Was there ever a point in your life where you realized you can just as easily identify as an Irish-American as opposed to a Jewish-American? Or do you actually juggle both identities? If you don’t want to answer, that’s fine.

  20. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 27, 2012 - 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Thanks very much, Trenchant, I’ll check it out. According to my boyfriend Mike’s late Mother, Forrestal lived on a separate houseboat from his wife during the war. When he was confined at Bethesda Navy Med, they only let Forrestal receive visits from his wife and son, neither of whom he could stand.
    His brother and his priest, whom he liked, were not allowed to visit him ! No question that they killed him.
    Check out ARI Watch, they have a list of links one of which is specifically devoted to Forrestal. They expose the Ayn Rand Institute as an Israel First front and they like Rand’s philosophy, just not the goofy cult set up under her name.
    Feel free to mention my name to Mark who runs it.

  21. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 27, 2012 - 5:28 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: Correct. David Martin returns the favour to those who did a real hatchet job on Forrestal’s reputation. An FOI of the Willcutts Review Board Report shows how unsatisfactorily this whole episode continues to be chronicled.

  22. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 27, 2012 - 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, Trenchant, for the good links. I’m betting the Truman one is on Jim Forrestal. My boyfriend’s Mom actually worked for him when he was Secretary of the Navy during WW2. He actually inspired Joe McCarthy to look into the Communist Conspiracy in DC. A Jewish shrink, Arnold Rogow, did a psychiatric smear bio of Forrestal in 1965
    wherein he mentioned that Forrestal was an admirer of Rand’s The Fountainhead.
    Forrestal was due to be released from Navy Med in Bethesda
    the next day so it’s unlikely that he jumped on his own.
    Walter Winchell, the ADL and Drew Pearson mercilessly hounded him.
    Interestingly enough the leftist Secretary Of State George Catlett Marshall also opposed the creation of Israel but was never smeared by the leftist & Zionist bund. Probably because he helped FDR set up Pearl Harbor and turned China over to Mao.
    Forrestal’s son, Michael, was a Kennedy liberal, and was involved in Vietnam policy in the 60s under Averill Harriman in the State Department.
    Forrestal was a NYC Republican who came to DC to support Roosevelt’s plan to get us into the war. He had been a VP at Dillon, Read or Lehman Brothers.
    Bastiat is one of my heroes. The Mises Institute in Auburn, Alabama has published a beautiful compact quality paperback
    titled The Bastiat Collection, over a thousand pages of text plus index. It’s quite reasonably priced and you can get it online from them or Amazon, etc.

  23. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 27, 2012 - 6:25 am | Permalink

    Errata corrige: Zionist-enemy

  24. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 27, 2012 - 12:33 am | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: Oh, allow me to offer you a rather sinister case of medical diagnosis used as cover for side-lining a key Zionist enemy within the Truman administration.

  25. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 27, 2012 - 12:28 am | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: Boldrin & Levine address what usually troubles people into supporting the Big Pharma franchise, viz in the absence of protection, we’d regress into medieval apothecary.

    Besides, Bastiat’s window still applies. Hypothetically fewer but cheaper drugs leaves more money for diet, surgery, diagnosis, care, etc.

  26. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 26, 2012 - 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Trenchant, The Changeling is great ! Only Angelina Jolie movie I ever saw. The young cop who is the villain there is the hero in LA Confidential, spacing on his name, but both are great LA Noir films.
    I like Rand’s Objectivism but NOT her cult and I agree with your comments here and on Big Pharma IP.
    I always learn from you, Trenchant. Many thanks.
    Mickey, your probably right but I will pass on the medication !
    What other people think doesn’t concern me at a deep personal level but we do need to takes ideas seriously as the great Southern conservative Richard Weaver wrote sixty years ago in Ideas Have Consequences.
    I appreciate your bringing your insights to me and you have definitely given me food for thought in your latest comments. Thanks very much.

  27. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 26, 2012 - 6:35 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    The popular aspersion “a self-hating [Whatever]” does not refer to a person who actually hates him- or herself, Marcy. It is an attribution assigned to a person who fails to hold views considered de rigueur by other [Whatevers] for any and all of their fellow [Whatevers]– e.g., Jews who are anti-Zionist. The phrase accuses the heretic of hating that particular aspect of his or her own identity– e.g., a Jew’s own Jewishness– rather than necessarily hating him- or herself as an individual, as a result. If you suppose that you are not viewed as a self-hating Jewess by any of your fellow Jews, you are delusional– and, perhaps, in need of medication yourself!?!

  28. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 26, 2012 - 5:39 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: The Changeling (2008) is worthwhile viewing as we enter this dark period. Not unimaginable that anti-Semitism be ushered in as a clinical condition, with the attendant treatment.

  29. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 26, 2012 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: The point to ECT is to wipe short-term memory, sedation during the procedure is incidental to the treatment. Pathology is disease, so we agree on this not being a disease. Rationality is devoid of an objective measure (though this will get you in strife from the Rand-band). I believe there are disturbed people, some in characteristic ways, but until they harm someone else or their property, I’m a live-and-let-liver. In the instance where crimes are committed, into the slammer just like everyone else.

    Most feasible way to hobble the Pharma monster is to end IP. Then profits revert to the chemical industry mean (more cries of anguish from the Rand-band). Get your heroin pills with your pool chlorine, and have a lovely day, Go easy on the chlorine, however, it can turn you hair green and dries the skin.

  30. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 26, 2012 - 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Trenchant, there is considerable pain from ECT as I know just from talking to victims of it beside reading the vast literature on it. Sometimes people are sedated, sometimes not. But if the sedation were that powerful there would be no rationale to give ECT. In any case both the psychiatric drugs and the ECT are brain disabling as numerous studies have shown.
    It’s simply a method of control. Psychiatry is inextricably tied to coercion.
    If schizophrenia has no pathology then by definition it can’t be a disease. Undoubtedly there are people who act irrationally, we can see that all the time, but it’s not a medical issue and it can’t be treated that way.
    In fact it isn’t. Psychiatry is simply control of society’s unwanted. Or those who make relatives feel uncomfortable.
    On a basic level it’s just base rhetoric. Some of the Non-Jews involved in it like Jung were opposed to the coercive practices
    of psychiatry and believed it just talking therapy. The Jews involved like Freud believed in both.
    I agree with much otherwise of what you write and I appreciate our thoughts.
    Szasz wrote a book entitled Our Right To Drugs totally blasting the premises of the century old US war on drugs which started in 1913. He wasn’t advocating the taking of any drug but just our right to medicate ourselves if we so please, whether for better or worse.
    Of course psychiatry pushes forced drugging which would seem to be contradictory to a government war on drugs except it isn’t.
    It’s consistent statism, consistent coercion.
    Hope the rest of your Holidays are great.
    Mickey, Szasz is neither anti-white nor anti-science. He totally opposes the DSM listing ‘racism’ as a disease and he believes that both the DSM and psychiatry are anti-science.
    He has a chapter titled Freud:The Jewish Avenger in his book titled The Myth Of Psychotherapy. He exposes Freud’s anti-Gentilism in detail.
    Jews are probably 99% pro-psychiatry so we very few dissidents don’t speak for Jews in this matter and for myself I could care less about what most Jews think.
    On just about every issue except abortion I’m out of step with the tribe and my self-esteem is not tied to tribal approval or disapproval so I’m not a ‘self-hater.’

  31. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 26, 2012 - 6:35 am | Permalink

    KM writes “I should probably put in my two cents….”

    You’re saying Szasz says some things you agree with, or believe could help respond to one of the weapons likely to be used against Whites (racism as pathology etc).
    That’s fine, just so long as one remembers that allegiances of convenience only work when you are willing to be perfectly ruthless in seeking whatever your true end-objective is. There cannot be any loyalty to abstract principles. It has to be the case that you are indifferent to why Szasz believed what he believed in terms of what principes his worldview broke down into. You have to be, because you have to be willing, in some other context where his positions become hostile the interests of Whites, to totally discredit and undermine the guy. So it can’t ever be about agreeing with underlying methods or principles. It can only be about strategic benefit.

    And that’s fine. I’m on that page with you if that is where you are. Everything I’m doing – and I am doing stuff – is exactly on that page.

    But on this page on this thread it’s got to have been about the underlying method of Szasz, the principles and way that he arrived at his views, and whether all that is anti-science (so anti-White). On this thread it’s got to have been about not Szasz himself but his disciples and what else they believe and whether it is starting to look like an intellectual movement with a distinctive Jewish flavour like a few others seen before.

  32. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 26, 2012 - 2:50 am | Permalink

    Thanks, Bobby ! You made my point much better than I could !
    I’ll try to look this quack up.

  33. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 26, 2012 - 1:44 am | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: ECT is not performed on an non-sedated patient, so there is no pain. The only times I’ve seen it recommended is where the risk of self-harm is high. Now as to the rest of your points, I’m pretty well in agreement. I don’t class schizophrenia as a pathology, but I do believe the symptoms are real.

    Everything else you say seems sound (risk of self-harm is judged against the patient’s own answers to a standardized questionnaire, which is a laugh). When in doubt, sedate! When sedation doesn’t work, increase the dosage. I don’t know what Hippocrates would have to say about that, but probably nothing good.

    I’m not for using dope, nor for its criminalization, but I’m on board with it exacerbating or triggering latent schizophrenia. (The Fear! Except that it doesn’t wear off). Dope’s much stronger now than in the Reefer Madness days).

    Anyway, Merry Christmas to you, too.

  34. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 26, 2012 - 1:04 am | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: Yeah, the latest craze to qualify for psychiatric disability in California is a guy called Dr. Bill, who’s both a psychiatrist and a lawyer. “Call me Dr. Bill, I know what to do”. On and on goes the theater of the absurd in California. Where and how it stops no one knows.

  35. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 25, 2012 - 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Rick, I like the way your mind works…………..

  36. Rick's Gravatar Rick
    December 25, 2012 - 7:15 pm | Permalink

    @Richard: @Richard:
    Is he a Jew?

  37. Rick's Gravatar Rick
    December 25, 2012 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:
    Perhaps we could simply give ECT & Lobotomies
    To those who like tormenting & terrorizing others
    & this would include a large number of…….

  38. Rick's Gravatar Rick
    December 25, 2012 - 6:28 pm | Permalink

    @Richard: @Richard:
    Richard is Hasbara

  39. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 25, 2012 - 6:04 pm | Permalink

    A couple of typos above, I meant to write logical impossibility
    when referring to the idea of disproving a negative. It came out as ‘impossibly’ instead.

    When writing about DK’s misunderstanding on my views on the brain I left out the word ‘know’ after the word ‘don’t’.
    I trust my meaning was still clear. Sorry for the typos.
    Thanks again for providing such an intellectually stimulating forum, Dr. MacDonald, and my best wishes for the New Year to you and everyone here.

  40. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 25, 2012 - 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Trenchant, actually ECT is used as a first, in between and last resort. It has no medical or therapeutic value.
    It only ‘works’ in one sense, it controls the victims who are mislabeled ‘patients.’ Outside of the fact that people have a right to commit suicide since they do own their own bodies, their own selves, ECT like the brain disabling psychiatric drugs is a weapon of control. And it’s not either/or.
    Both are used simultaneously because people have different reactions to drugs. I know this personally from diagnosed mental patients. The Bay Area is a huge true believer in psychiatry. The joke in Berkeley is that half the people there are patients and the other half are therapists.
    I maintain two things here, that there is no disease and thus no medicine is being practiced here, and that psychiatrists acting as agents of relatives or the state have no right to coerce people who have not committed any real crime such as initiating force against another person.
    No one can tell whether another lacks self-awareness, there’s no imagery or epistemology to reveal that I think it’s impossible for a sentient human being to lack self-awareness. These people have to be role playing even if at a very deep level.
    ECT is the least benign psychiatric tool, it is torture pure and simple. it’s evil is only exceeded by prefrontal lobotomies, which are much rarer now but when it was invented in the 30s, the Portugese shrink who invented it won the Nobel Prize
    for it in 1949 ! You might benefit from reading the John Modrow book because as a diagnosed schizophrenic he presents a very interesting viewpoint.
    Psychiatry has had this strange obsession with electricity cures goiing to its beginnings in 1700. Szasz goes into this in
    The Myth Of Psychotherapy.
    Bobby, thanks for your consistently intelligent comments here. Since we haven’t always agreed I doubly appreciated your insights here. Szasz wrote a book titled Pharmacracy:Medicine And Politics In America, Praeger, 2001,
    which in view of your profession you might find of interest.
    I don’t where DK got the absurd idea that I think the brain is not affected by physical substances. Too much coffee can affect the brain. If it should someday be proven that all the things we mislabel mental illnesses are actually real organic physical illnesses then psychiatry would be abolished and replaced by neurology. As happened with syphilis and several other diseases that were once considered psychiatric.
    If this happened involuntary commitment, electroshock, prefrontals and all the current psychiatric drugs would be abolished and people with real diseases would be voluntarily treated by real doctors. Although psychiatrists are MDs they do not practice medicine. They practice control and coercion,
    they practice dope peddling, they practice torture via ECT and where still legal, prefrontals.
    There is also another psychiatric racket that is rampant here in California as you know, Bobby. That is certifying people for disability. Quite a few ex-cops including the CHP have caught on to this racket but if they catch you lying about a physical disability you can go to Durance Vile.
    But who could disprove a mental disability ? It’s like trying to disprove a negative, a point I was trying unsuccessfully to convey to DK. Disproving clinically something that doesn’t exist appears to me a logical impossibly in Aristotelian classical terms but maybe I’m naive and missing something here. I don’t think so to be immodest.
    Richard, thanks again for your thoughtful insights and beautiful sentiments. I have never used pot or any illegal substance but there is a campaign by Patrick Cockburn of the London Communist family to blame marijuana for schizophrenia.
    I won’t go into why it’s a crock because you know my views on schizophrenia as an alleged disease but the worst thing about pot is memory loss if you smoke to much of it as I know from people who do.
    Thanks for all your intelligent, civilized contributions here and I hope all are enjoying a Very Merry Christmas.

  41. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 25, 2012 - 6:03 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: Without patent protection, profits would move down towards the mean manufacturing/merchandising profit of chemical producers. Different models for drug research would develop, or they wouldn’t.

    Nowadays if I spend $1 billion on research on a pill, then I’m going to be pushing it for every conceivable malady to recoup my outlay and then some. Only patents allow that sort of strategy.

  42. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 25, 2012 - 5:39 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: Mickey, if Marcy were the devil himself, I’d still agree with her on the position she takes on the psychotropic drugs issue.

  43. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 25, 2012 - 5:36 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: I repeat, I know it is a fact that some drugs actually slow down brain activity and help people function better. I know this because I worked in the industry for a few years as a Pharmacy tech and saw it first hand with some of our customers. But again, that’s not my argument, which is about the abuse of psychotropic drugs for profit, as Marcy so rightly points out.

  44. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 25, 2012 - 5:28 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: I realize that some brains are diseased. The disease shows up on brain imaging and therefore has a physiological basis, yes. I can agree with that completely. The question with so many of these so-called psychological syndromes, is whether or not they should be classified as abnormal behavior. Isn’t it interesting, that the increase of so many of these syndromes, virtually parallels the explosion in knowledge of how to create new pharmaceutial compounds. Ask a pharmacist who knows the history of the industry, when it was that pharmacy became a super profitable field for people to enter. You’ll find it began approximately in the mid 1980’s. Before that time it was a so so field in job prospects and was rapidly filling up. Now pharmacy schools are graduating people like crazy and the profits of the industry are, I think, second only to oil. The creation of psychotropic drugs is one big reason. To imagine that the pharmaceutical industry doesn’t do things that are unethical, in order to make big profits, just like the rest of big business, is being naive.

  45. Wagner's Gravatar Wagner
    December 24, 2012 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    agree & I keep thinking about those who engage
    In gross malfeasance against society are
    not considered to be acutely mentally ill or a
    threat to others as they have long since passed
    that marker and are instead acclaimed and admire
    for their malfeasance and harm they have wrought.

  46. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 24, 2012 - 10:59 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    “Thanks very much, Richard, for sharing your thoughts. I was very moved.”

    Thanks, Marcy.

    I genuinely appreciate that.

    I include the word “genuinely” because… I suspect that a lot of gratitude that is expressed in our culture is often insincere to some degree. I can speak for myself: In the past, I would sometimes say “thank you” when I didn’t really mean it. Even in the present I’m probably insincere sometimes, but to a much lesser extent. (And maybe that insincerity comes from a desire to get along and keep things flowing nicely.)

  47. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 24, 2012 - 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Thanks very much, Richard, for sharing your thoughts. I was very moved.
    I wish you and everyone here a Very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !

  48. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 24, 2012 - 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Even while writing my comment above (here @Richard) I realized that… when I think about that person, I see a reflection of myself (or parts of myself.)

    The qualities I see in him exist inside me, also. Laziness, narcissism, arrogance. It’s clear to me. I really do see those things in myself.

    And, to be fair, he (the guy I mentioned in my comment above) probably has some good things about him.

    Anyway, I wanted to add this comment here to my previous one.

    I hope everyone enjoys Christmas.

  49. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 24, 2012 - 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Since others have mentioned schizophrenia…

    I feel compelled to share a story about a guy who claims to have schizophrenia. He said that he had to visit several doctors before he finally got the diagnosis he wanted. He’s in his late 20’s and he takes taxpayers’ money because he claims that he is unable to work.

    But on his blog he has admitted that he just doesn’t want to work, and that the world needs artists and poets. (He writes poetry…) And apparently he is able to attend rock concerts.

    What’s truly sickening is that he lives in a studio apartment in a relatively upscale suburb because he doesn’t want to live at home with his parents — he says they aren’t evolved enough.

    And somehow he has enough money to order Netflix DVD’s in the mail.

    He is one of the reasons why I am… so skeptical about these issues. And I know there are others similar to him. It’s bad enough that they steal taxpayer money, but on top of that they seem to have contempt for the people they steal from.

    It would be very different if his family or a church provided him with money and shelter etc. But there’s something so egregious about the fact that taxpayers are forced to support people like him.

  50. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 24, 2012 - 9:18 pm | Permalink

    This might be my most useless comment so far.

    (Maybe not. Maybe it will be very useful, possibly great. But if it isn’t, then I can say that I warned potential readers…)

    I was thinking… if there is indeed a kind of collective mind or collective consciousness (or whatever the right term is) then maybe understanding it will lead to insights regarding individuals who have symptoms of multiple personality disorder or schizophrenia or something like that. (I’m skeptical about those diagnoses, but I’m not an expert or anything close to it. I just… think about these issues sometimes.)

    Anyway, back to the collective mind…

    The collective mind uses individuals to express itself. And these individuals often have very different perspectives and values, which leads to arguments and different political parties, etc. For example, some people believe that homosexual couples should be allowed to get married. And other people strongly oppose them.

    That makes sense… on some level.

    But on another level, the level of the collective mind… that doesn’t really make sense, or at least it doesn’t seem to. It’s almost as if the collective mind is arguing with itself. (Like I wrote above, the collective mind seems to use individuals to express itself.) So on one hand, the collective mind supports homosexual marriage. But on the other hand, it opposes it.

    It’s as if the collective mind is fighting with itself, as if it has some kind of multiple personality disorder or schizophrenia. (I think there are supposedly different kinds of schizophrenia?)

    Where I’m going with this is… maybe some people’s minds are less individualized. Maybe their minds are more open… maybe too open? So more of the collective mind finds its way into their individual minds. And it shows up as multiple personality disorder or schizophrenia or some other label or diagnosis.

    Maybe that’s why drugs such as marijuana are linked to some kinds of mental problems/diagnoses such as schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder. (Because drugs have a way of dissolving boundaries and making a person’s mind more open… open to the collective mind.)

    Anyway, I thought I’d write this comment and hope it helps somehow.

  51. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 24, 2012 - 9:16 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: ECT is used as a last resort to treat potentially suicidal subjects until the drugs kick in (can take a couple of weeks). I’m not sure that anyone understands why ECT works, just that it does (let’s touch base 100 years hence to discuss this point further).
    I used to have quite a jaundiced view of ECT, but see it probably as one of the more benign tools in a pretty dodgy kit. (When in doubt, sedate!☺)

  52. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 24, 2012 - 9:07 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:I have chatted with some schizophrenics who are able, at an intellectual level, to recognize the background voices as not belonging to real, distinct individuals, but as coming from within their own consciousness. Tricky thing is that the voices delve into their most intimate fears and insecurities – most people are able to box away insidious doubts in a way that they don’t encroach on ordinary life. If your greatest concern is for your family’s welfare, then that is what the voices speak to. Like the tongue that searches out the chipped tooth, the voices home in on the most exquisitely vulnerable points. At the time when they are interacting with you, the voices quiet. Medication can tone the voices down to a whisper at times, but never really banishes them.

    Plenty of schizophrenics have no self-awareness whatsoever and cannot grasp that the voices may be solely an artefact.

    I don’t want to appear dogmatic on this subject as I think neuroscience is an infant, and I’m a layman to boot. This is purely from personal observation.

  53. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 24, 2012 - 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Trenchant, ECT is about as scientific and therapeutic as banging a rock against a depressed person’s head.
    And the more ‘treatments’ with ECT the greater the likelihood of permanent memory loss.
    I’ve known many people who were subjected to ECT, usually involuntary, and none of them felt they had gained benefits
    from this crude form of torture.
    See Electro-Shock:Its Brain-Disabling Effects by Peter Breggin, MD. He’s a trained psychiatrist.
    There’s no use being against involuntary commitment and the insanity defense if you endorse the underlying paradigm of psychiatry, schizophrenia.
    See the revised Schizophrenia:The Sacred Symbol Of Psychiatry by Thomas Szasz, MD. Another trained psychiatrist and psychoanalyst.
    DK can’t tell a diagnosis, which is what Schizophrenia is, from a disease, which it isn’t.
    If you go to the Thomas S. Szasz Center For Liberty and Responsibility there is a great interview towards bottom of the page from 2001by Randall C. Wyatt which appeared in Fairly long interview, no charge and you either save it or download it. It covers these topics at issue.
    Thank you for your cogent remarks and civilized tone.
    Please don’t take my response as personally hostile to you.

  54. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 24, 2012 - 6:03 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: Electroshock is made to seem barbaric in the movies, but to my knowledge (observer☺) is one of the safest short-term measures for immediate but short-term relief of acute depression. Only short-term memory is affected, and not in a lasting sense.

    I’m afraid I’m with DK on schizophrenia, but share your concern with the insanity plea in trial and sentence bargains. I share your concern for coerced treatment and isolation for non-aggressive subjects and wonder how long it will be before Holocaust disbelief will fall under the rubric of mental infirmity.

  55. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 24, 2012 - 3:51 pm | Permalink

    I think it was ritalin. I’ve read it in several venues.
    DK, has again misrepresented my view. I never denied that brain damage affects human behavior and in fact Szasz, Breggin and several others have written on the brain-disabling effects of the psychiatric drugs. Not to mention electroshock barbarism, prefrontal lobotomies and the general chemical castration involved with these drugs.
    Breggin, an MD psychiatrist has actually written several books on these dangerous drugs and two books on electroshock ‘therapy’ alone.
    What I denied was that these barbaric practices were involved in the treatment of any disease. For actual diseases of the brain there are treatments that help in cases of strokes but are less advanced for Alzheimer’s and the more severe forms of mental retardation.
    There is no disease such as schizophrenia or manic depression or bi-polar disorder and many now doubt the attention deficit disorder ‘disease.’ Autism may be a real physical disease but it is so greatly over diagnosed that we don’t really know.
    Contrary to DK psychiatry has from the beginning considered
    so-called ‘mental illnesses’ as diseases of the mind as well as the brain. Every proof they bring forward is in the course of time refuted. See the above book by a former psychiatric patient which documents the widely disparate studies.
    Paranoid schizophrenia has been the most common diagnosis for the past 150 years in psychiatry. It’s medically worthless.
    Epistemologically Szasz and now many others have taken it apart on both medical and epistemological grounds.
    Several studies have shown that it precisely the psychiatric medications given to people who as misdiagnosed as ‘paranoid schizophrenics’ which cause any brain damage they
    have including enlarged ventricles. Though the great majority of diagnosed schizophrenics do not have enlarged ventricles.
    Lefthanders who tend to be more creative than righthanders do have enlarged ventricles for reasons explained in the Modrow book.
    Readers should at this point just check out the Szasz, Breggin, and Modrow books I have recommended and judge for themselves directly instead of accepting on faith the specious arguments of psychiatry’s apologists.
    I would go one step further than Szasz and simply outlaw MD psychiatry. If people want to have voluntary ‘therapy’ with psychologists who have no legal powers of commitment they should be free to do so without the pretense of any sort of medicine being practiced here.
    Psychiatry has always been a per se coercive religion. It should be classified with slavery and the burning of witches.
    Like fractional reserve banking a la the Fed it is also fraud per se and under the Anglo-Saxon Common Law should be outlawed like the other two.

  56. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 24, 2012 - 1:19 pm | Permalink

    In How To Become A Schizophrenic:The Case Against Biological Psychiatry by John Modrow there are two chapters in Part Three, Schizophrenia as a Brain Defect and Schizophrenia as a Biochemical Defect which get into all the many studies about ventricular brain size which psychiatric advocates cherry pick the ones that they claim confirm their theses. In a 1983 review of such studies it was found that anywhere from 60 to 95% of those diagnosed as schizophrenics had no sign of brain atrophy or enlarged ventricles.
    There are another dozen brain scan studies which show no difference at all between the ventricular size of diagnosed schizophrenics and the normal control subjects.
    These studies by magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) are considered far more reliable by researchers than the CAT scans. Also the effect of neuroleptic drugs on patients diagnosed as psychotic shows a marked deterioration in
    such patients the longer they are on such drugs. These so-called anti-psychotic drugs actually function as a chemical straitjacket to those taking them and cause adverse
    consequences in the frontal lobe areas.
    All of the mass murderers of recent years were on such drugs.
    The National Institute of Mental Health (part of NIH) did a study which found no differences between the hippocampi of diagnosed schizophrenics and normal control subjects.
    In one instance in a separate study the entire hippocamus of a Connecticut mam was removed in 1953 by surgery and he never became schizophrenic at all. He had a pleasant personality which never changed and after the surgery was fully able to remember past history but had trouble learning new things or remembering events in his immediate past. Since biological psychiatry puts such great emphasis on the notion that schizophrenia is a disease localized in the hippocampus this is a significant refutation of that premise.
    The book gets into the dopamine thesis at some length because it is one of the main props of modern psychiatry citing four major studies which contradicted each other, three of them showing that diagnosed schizophrenics do not have an elevated number of dopamine receptors. These studies were done in the US and three European countries.
    This is just a brief synopsis of the areas studied in these two chapters highlighting some of the major contentions.
    They go into the serotonin thesis , the twins studies and several other categories. The work of Dr. E. Fuller Torrey is strongly debunked.
    As for hearing voices that is the paradigm bedrock of psychiatry but there’s no evidence that such a phenomenon
    exists. Unlike the studies above this claim is impossible to refute scientifically by brain imaging studies.
    Szasz goes on at length about this issue of hearing voices and considers it a form of role playing by ‘patients’ to give up responsibility for their actions, ‘the voices made me do it.’
    That’s why Szasz wants the insanity defense abolished.
    Psychiatry imprisons the innocent who have committed no crimes and excuses the guilty who have. The Dan White twinkie defense for a double murder at City Hall here in San Francisco is a classic case. Even though White’s victims were two loathsome leftists it’s still wrong for psychiatrists to have let him off the hook.
    I knew this Jewish guy in LA who claimed he survived a dozen gassings by the Nazis and if all you went by is the strength of his feelings it would be a true statement.
    Obviously he was lying just as the person who claims hearing voices is misreporting his self-conversations.
    The ultimate purpose of psychiatry is to label and control
    people whom others find inconvenient. Most have never committed any crime and the ones that do should be punished by the criminal justice system, not psychiatric jailers and torturers. We can see what happened in the Soviet Union, Communist China and not least here in the USA.
    Although the old state mental hospital snakes pits were largely closed down in response to Szasz and other critics, the actual power of the psychiatry has dramatically increased
    via outpatient commitment, forced drugging and community psychiatry. Now every doctor is considered responsible to protect the patient from harm to himself and others.
    In the old days only the mental hospital superintendent was
    considered to have a duty to his hospitalized patient and that was not widely honored.
    With the latest ‘lone nut’ mass shooting psychiatry will be one of the weapons along with government gun control to snare us deeper into the state’s tentacles. Some of the stupider rightists like Ann Coulter have already jumped on the mental health bandwagon.
    I have refrained from putting quote marks around the work schizophrenic to make easier reading.
    Bobby and Alice Teller, I want to thank both of you for your vastly intelligent comments here.

  57. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 24, 2012 - 1:05 pm | Permalink


    The Asperger’s Syndrome diagnosis was not even established until about twenty years ago. In the forthcoming DSM, it will be folded into autism. Anyone who knows both autistic and Asperger’s children– I have a close friend, a doctor married to a doctor, who has one of each– knows that the latter is a highly debatable disease diagnosis, in which people are diagnosed on the basis of having any few of a menu of symptoms, while the former is so obviously a disease, and an overwhelmingly debilitating one, that waiting for its riddle to be completely solved medically is unnecessary. You know that a truly autistic child is profoundly ill, just as you know that a Down’s Syndrome child is. Perhaps you have managed to go through your life, Bobby, without ever encountering any schizophrenics– which seems highly unlikely to me– but the notion that an unmedicated paranoid schizophrenic in an acute phase is not suffering from any disease, but is merely acting as he “wants” to act, is so patently ludicrous that it is utterly mind-boggling that any serious person actually could think such a thing.

    For the umpteenth time, in this thread, Bobby, human thinking and behavior, contrary to Marcy’s inane view, are the direct products of the functioning of the human brain– not some transcendental cause or effect that takes place elsewhere or otherwise. Why would a diseased brain, whether it is structurally altered or functionally impaired, not cause an alteration in thinking and, thus, behavior, as a result? What do you think that neurotransmitters like serotonin do, if not control our thinking and, thus, our behavior? Why would you expect a change in serotonin levels, whether due to a mutated gene or to some other abnormal biological occurrence, not to alter one’s thinking and behavior?

  58. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    December 24, 2012 - 12:02 am | Permalink

    Kevin , I wonder how closely the effects of commercial TV have been studied in regard to ADHD ? So many mothers are just too weak and lazy not to let the TV act as babysitter . My own and my sister (as mother) included . I have had a couple of personal experiences with prepubic children as a before and after getting a TV in the home . The change was startling ! From happy and imaginative to fat and surly in a month ! From cheery to sulky .
    As a psychologist you would understand (yes? ) how easily it can be for advertisers to push a childs button ; to enter into their subconscious , to perhaps set up contradictory urges that break out in delinquent behaviors . I might think of apes that go banana’s in a zoo under the right social provocation .

    The Phama and Military Industrial Complexes make a lot of money out of misery , and it completely within their realm to create a disease and promote a cure .

  59. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 23, 2012 - 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Great point, Bobby. We are all locked into a mode of thought which is not of our own making nor does it serve us well. We have been informed that depression is a disease which affects thinking and or the brain. In fact it is mood, an emotion. There is no way any one can discern the difference between the thoughts, feelings, physiology, actions or reports, including suicidal thoughts, of someone suffering from profound grief and someone who is depressed for no reason we find acceptable. One is declared perfectly normal and the other is a disease.

    We also assume that the ways in which severe impairments such as schizophrenia manifest are totally beyond the capacity of the individual to control. Yet we know that some are violent and others are not. No explanation is offered.

    I do think that some mental illnesses are real and unavoidable, causing great pain both to the victim and those who love them. Someone near and dear to me, a bright, regular guy with okay parents, was stricken in his early twenties. He heard voices telling him he had to kill his father. He checked himself into the hospital for help because, he said, “When God is telling you to do something it is hard to say no.” Same illness different reactions. We need new thinking.

  60. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 23, 2012 - 9:53 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: The problem with arguments like yours is that everyone in the U.S. possibly the world, would be defined as having some kind of mental problem. We then come to the question of what is “normal” behavior. A long time friend of mine, was diagnosed with “Aspergers” syndrome as a child. Yet, he went on to get a degree in philosophy at Cal. State Fullerton. He repairs, paints, and knows cars like a mechanics mechanic. Yes, he does kind of repeat some thoughts, he does get excited when something excites him, yet doctors would say he needs medication, which he did take for a short while and then refused to continue. I’m sorry, I’m not convinced from the reading I’ve done, that the issue is as cut and dried as you make it out to be. Again, what would be the standard for normality, someone who doesn’t move or interact with anything or anyone, which is what it seems to be coming to.

  61. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 23, 2012 - 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Bobby, ignore DK. His sweeping assertions about people labeled ‘schizophrenic’ or bi-polar’ are just that, assertions with no scientific basis at all nor do all or even most of those so mislabeled act in the way psychiatry describes.
    A former ‘patient’ given an early label of ‘schizophrenia’ has written a very good book about it.
    How To Become A Schizophrenic:The Case Against Biological Psychiatry by John Modrow. Not only Szasz but the former Chair of the Yale Psychiatry Department and a Ph.D Professor of Psychology at Michigan State have strongly endorsed this book. The first two parts are devoted to his own experiences and the third part the case against biological psychiatry.
    Freud believed in both biological psychiatric and psychoanalysis, they are not anomalies contrary to DK, they are two sides of the same debased coin. There has never been any scientific proof that so-called ‘mental illnesses’ stem from the brain. The brain is subject to physical diseases that can be pathologically identified such as mental retardation, Alzheimer’s and brain strokes but these are physical diseases like cancer, heart attacks, AIDS, etc.
    Also contrary to DK psychiatry has always maintained that ‘mental illness’ exists in the mind going back to the infamous beginnings of modern psychiatry in 1700 in Europe.
    See The Battle For The Mind by William Sargent.
    Read Freud, Harry Stack Sullivan, Karen Horney and a zillion others who preach the psychiatric gospel. After a century psychiatry removed neurosis and homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses by a vote !
    Wow, some science ! Now homophobia is a disease !
    DK asks you loaded questions with dubious premises.
    All of his twins, bipolar, manic-depressive and schizophrenia selective studies have been challenged and refuted many times by many people. In the Modrow book alone alone there are 76 pages of notes and bibliography.
    Actually this is a great introduction to the subject of biological psychiatry.
    DK, I read Hoffer’s book in high school, I was profoundly unimpressed and I noticed our leftist President Eisenhower endorsed it back in the 50s, the only exception to his reading of Zane Grey westerns. I was born at the end of 1975 so I never Hoffer but my parents did and they thought he was your standard shallow liberal. Dad was an Irish rightist and Mom comes from a longtime Communist family. They lived
    here in SF, Mom’s still alive, and Hoffer lived here. He was a longshoreman in Harry Bridges’ Communist dominated ILWU.
    But he was not a Marxist, just another sleazy pragmatist lib, a dime a five dozen here.
    Thanks but no need to reread him.
    Athanasius, you make an excellent point. Thanks.

  62. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 23, 2012 - 5:10 pm | Permalink


    Any naturally occurring trait– such as, for instance, attentiveness– would be expected to come close to fitting the statistical Normal Curve, especially for the overwhelming majority of individuals that do not lie within the first few or last few percentiles, out on the opposing tails of the curve. There would be no theoretical reason to assume that even extreme individuals, on such a normal distribution, suffered from any disease. Thus, I believe that the vast majority of children (mostly boys) who are diagnosed as being ADHD are being labeled and medicated simply to make them more compliant to teachers’ needs and desires, not because they suffer from any genuine disease. As I said, early on here, I do believe that many, if not most, of the growing number of diagnoses found in the various succeeding editions of the DSM are bogus.

    We see people in our society that suffer from Down’s Syndrome, and other forms of mental retardation, who have IQs that are similar to large numbers of seemingly healthy and normal individuals in sub-Saharan Africa. That is because the latter are healthy and normal, and are merely on the left-hand side of their own population’s distribution curve for IQ, while our own Down’s Syndrome retardates represent an anomalous bubble, on the left-hand side of our own IQ distribution curve, caused by disease.

    People who suffer from schizophrenia and bipolar disorder– to cite just two prominent examples of severe mental illnesses– are not merely outliers on any one or more psychological attributes. It is quite clear that something is fundamentally wrong with their brains, either structurally and/or functionally. The fact that the etiologies of such diseases might be incompletely, or even wholly, unknown to doctors, at any given point in medical history, does not mean that there is no disease underlying the evident thought patterns and behavior that are so obviously distorted. The Black Death was not a myth or metaphor, simply because those living in the Fourteenth Century could not begin to comprehend the basis of the plague that wiped out a large minority, at least, of Europe’s population.

  63. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 23, 2012 - 4:30 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    Your tone is notably different here, in response to Dr. MacDonald, Marcy, from what it was in your responses to the rest of us. I wonder why that is…!?!?!

  64. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 23, 2012 - 4:21 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    “Depression is not a disease and does not affect the brain. It affects one’s thinking….”

    Thinking is, simply and solely, a direct product of the human brain. To say that something affects thinking but not the brain is oxymoronic. The person who says such a thing is herself something similar, only less so….

    “I put zero credence in your alleged conversation with him.”

    I did not claim to have had a conversation with him, Marcy. I said that I asked him a question, from the audience, after he gave a talk at a CLE on psychiatry and law, at one of my alma maters, and that he gave a wholly unsatisfactory answer– readily and unselfconsciously admitting that he had no evidentiary basis for the questioned statement; it was merely what he thought, and thus, in his eyes, satisfactory per se.

    We all await your reply to Dr. MacDonald’s own “two cents,” Marcy….

  65. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    December 23, 2012 - 4:07 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: Dr. MacDonald, Isn’t it possible that extreme psychological traits serve the same function–as an basis for natural selection–that physiological and anatomical traits do?

    For example, perhaps someone who is obsessive compulsive would be more fit in early industrial society, where holding a job meant being able to perform repetitive tasks ad infinitum. Perhaps someone who had the natural psychological profile to make them good at an extended Roman campaign or crusade to Jerusalem would be a crazy person today. Some people should be free to be a bit crazy, even if it inhibits their ability function in current society, because other abnormalities may well be adaptive.

  66. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 23, 2012 - 4:00 pm | Permalink


    Why do those “labeled” as bipolar, Bobby, cycle through their moods, from deep depressions to euphoric manias? Just because they “want” to…?!? …or, because their personal experiences really are so extreme and divergent that they merely are reacting as anyone would to those specific external events? Why do they kill themselves at such incredibly high rates? Why does manic depression run in particular families, down through the generations?

    Why do those “labeled” schizophrenic act as they act, Bobby? Just because they “want” to…?!? Why do they report hearing voices that the rest of us do not? Are they lying, or are there such disembodied voices persecuting them? Why do they claim that they are historical or religious figures, like Napoleon or Jesus? Are they just playacting, to entertain the rest of us? Why do they kill themselves at such extraordinarily high rates? Why does schizophrenia run in particular families, down through the generations?

    Why would any diseases that affect the brain, structurally or functionally, not affect thought patterns and behavior, which are, simply and solely, the direct products of the brain, Bobby?

  67. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 23, 2012 - 3:50 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: Sorry for naming the disease incorrectly. ADD,ADHD,etc. Instead of relaxing, this time of the year, since it has been turned into nothing, NOTHING, but commercialization, I get so tired that it leaves me a nervous wreck when it is mercifully over. (This is not what Christmas always was, a main part of it being mostly a focus on how to make children happy.)
    One of the reasons I appreciate Christmas trees, if for no other, is that sitting close to one with a brandy or hot chocolate, takes my mind to nature and relaxes me. Farnham O’ Reilly’s writings on nature, always connect with me. I believe that European-Americans, for the most part, have largely lost this connection that they once had to nature and it is one reason, IN MY OPINION, that they can only think in terms of the corrupt system they are caught up in, since they believe it’s the only game in town, but that’s another subject. For those to whom it concerns, Merry Christmas. For the rest, wish you the best.

  68. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 23, 2012 - 3:40 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    The person that you really need to (re-)read, Marcy, is my fellow blue-collar Alsatian-American, Eric Hoffer. He had you pegged, long before your daddy even had pegged your mommy….

  69. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 23, 2012 - 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for sharing your views, Dr. MacDonald.
    Obviously I partly agree and partly disagree with you.
    Where both are is obvious from my comments here and the several books that I have recommended.
    For many years now biological psychiatry has been the main threat to both epistemology and liberty as psychoanalysis has become discredited.
    I’ll take a look at your paper.
    I want to thank you for giving me the liberty here to express my views which you have deep disagreement with and which unfortunately some of your readers interpret as a Jewish plot
    when in fact probably 99% of Jews sheepishly follow psychiatric dogma.
    In the last analysis I think we probably agree more on some of the things we mutually dislike than our respective ideals of the good society.
    I feel I’ve made my case here, though it’s hardly original with me, and now the readers can check out the books for themselves. Again, thank you.

  70. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 23, 2012 - 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Mickey, I suspect that there many, many readers here who see through the largely Jewish and partly German (in origin) fraud of biological psychiatry. Which is just the other side of the coin of the Freudian analytic fraud. Your view is funny because the great majority of Jews believe in the psychiatric religion, it’s right up there with the Shoah Business and Israel. There’s nothing anti-science about what I wrote nor what Szasz has written in thirty books and many articles & essays. Nor is it any of it at all confusing.
    I will confess to being intellectually intense and reasonably aggressive as the meek shall not inherit the earth.
    I think Bobby is capable of making up his own mind without anyone else’s help.
    You have really confessed that you understand neither Rand or Popper. They couldn’t be more dissimilar. The leading anti-Rand website and it is pathetic, is run by avowed Popperians. If Rand’s Objectivism triumphs it’s curtains for Popper in the UK-US linguistic analyst community, which is the only arena in where he’s held in esteem.
    Well, the nice thing about all this is that interested readers can read Szasz and for that matter Rand & Popper directly and judge for themselves.

  71. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 23, 2012 - 8:41 am | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    “Mickey, I can’t stand Popper. He’s totally the opposite of Rand’s Objectivism”

    Like I said…we’re ahead of you this time. We know what the intellectual movement will look like better than you have yet understood. You think Popper contradicts Rand. Ha….you have not understood Rand or Popper. Keep going.

  72. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 23, 2012 - 8:35 am | Permalink


    There are plenty of legitimate, intelligent, pro-science positions that could be taken for or against conditions like ADHD.
    But given all we know, all we have discussed and all KM has written you giving your support to Marcy is breathtaking.

    She’s a psychologically intense, ideological Jew, pushing the next big Jewish Intellectual movement with all the usual characteristics of being anti-science, verbally aggressive, intellectually confusing, etc etc etc.

    You don’t have to understand where the harm to White society will come. You just have to understand that it will be there, mendacious as ever.

    Please, don’t depress us all this Christmas. Do something hopeful. Give her not the time of day.

  73. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 22, 2012 - 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Bobby, thanks as you are on target. Psychiatry is now a branch of Big Pharma. They are strictly drug pushers now.
    Mickey, I can’t stand Popper. He’s totally the opposite of Rand’s Objectivism. There’s a very good critique of him in John Wild’s Return To Reason:Essays In Realistic Philosophy, Regnery, 1953, see chapter 11 by Robert Jordan. Wild was with Harvard. Leonard Peikoff, Rand’s intellectual & physical heir, has a good critique of Popper in his History of Philosophy audio series. As usual you are way offbase.
    Tabula Raza, you are aptly named as you get everything wrong.
    Szasz discovered the truth about psychiatry long before he became a libertarian. The lies about ‘mental illness’ are the ones told by the psychiatric establishment and their Big Pharma subsidizers. You really ought to inform yourself before making a fool of yourself in public.
    Ayn is a Finnish name, not Norwegian nor Hebrew. Rand correctly said it was Finnish. Again, more disinformation from you.
    Obviously I easily won the debate as DK couldn’t grasp the reasons for Szasz’s rejection of the medical model of ‘mental illness.’ Readers don’t have to take anyone’s word, they can look up the books I referenced.
    Branden hasn’t been associated with Rand for almost half a century, 44 1/2 years ! What makes you think any Objectivist would endorse the asinine statement on no difference between the sexes ? Assuming it’s even a true statement given your total lack of credibility.
    Also hasn’t it been the same time period, almost half a century, since you were (allegedly) associated with Branden ?
    I’ll have to reread her earlier statements on race in the Journals, I might agree with them. Branden talked her into writing the 1963 piece on racism, she didn’t want to touch the issue feeling it to be a leftist issue. She was right on that.

  74. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    December 22, 2012 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    [Nathaniel] Branden claimed that “the only difference between men and women is that men can’t have babies.” Are any joos playing with a full deck? Or is it just obstinance. . .

  75. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    December 22, 2012 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    >>>The mind is not part of the brain<<< M.F.

    Hang yourself any way you want. You have lost this debate and won't budge, as your jewish gurus can't be wrong.

    Szasz was concerned, rightfully, about POLITICAL abuse of psychiatry. Namely, involuntary treatment and hospitalization of dissidents or weirdos. He seemed to think- if mental illness actually exists, then state action may be OK. So, to keep the evil State away, we must show that mental illness is a bogus concept. He was so anti-state (correctly) that I assert he may have lied like hell about mental illness.

    Marcy- I go back to the days when NBI was still open. I met POS Branden [Blumenthal] after the split of '68. (We made the first "Seminar" records)

    Rand told a big whooper about her first name. She said it was from a Norwegian name like Einar. Actually, AYN is a hebrew word meaning Infinite Nothingness. Google on Ayn Sof for a real treat.

    Objectivists are big fat freaking joo liars on the genetic question(s).

    (Rand's early view on race, uncensored, can be found in the Journals of AR, p. 466-7, paperback. To the right of anything seen on these pages)

  76. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 22, 2012 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: Agree with you Marcy. Diseases like Bi-polar, ADA, ADHA, and the rest are bogus. It’s strange that the treatment for most of these “illnesses”, are suddenly only treatable with drugs from the hundreds of billions of dollars Big Pharma industry.

  77. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 22, 2012 - 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Final book recommendations here, How To Become a Schizophrenic:The Case Against Biological Psychiatry by John Modrow. Besides Szasz’s endorsement, Theodore Litz, former Chairman of the Dept. Of Psychiatry at Yale and Bertram P. Karon. Professor of Psychology at Michigan State also strongly endorse this book.
    Toxic Psychiatry by Peter Breggin, an MD Psychiatrist.
    Considering that Szasz strongly endorsed Ilana Mercer’s Into The Cannibal’s Pot book on South Africa under Mandela and the Reds, Meadow’s bizarre charge of anti-whiteness for Szasz, whose he can’t even spell, makes no sense at all.

  78. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 22, 2012 - 4:28 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    Ah I see you mention philosophy Marcy. Into Popper yet? If not, you will be :)
    But guess, we’re ahead of you this time. Hence I know before you know what you are going to be into.

  79. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 22, 2012 - 4:07 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    Hear hear right through. The intellectual destination of scatz is that the only difference between humans are ideas. Hence the next big justication for race replacement in the West. Nothing to worry about, just upload the ideas and the West carries on. It’s the next big Jewish idea to replace the current load just in time before they are discredited just like all the others before. All discredited but being true was always irrelevant anyway. The objective, those times and this new time with Scatz and Rand is to do as much harm to White societies as possible. They may well hope this time would be the last time. Many of them believe the job is now done, and time is on their side. But many of us choose to believe they are wrong.

  80. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 22, 2012 - 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Actually Szasz specifically debunked the false claim that the brains of people mislabeled schizophrenic were different.
    He did in Schizophrenia:The Sacred Symbol Of Psychiatry,
    in several books I recommended above including The Meaning
    of Mind, Szasz Under Fire, Insanity and many others.
    Szasz was indeed a scientist in that he approached the religion of psychiatric using scientific, medical criteria to debunk its claims to be a science and this is done via rational argument showing that all those studies have in fact been analyzed, dissected and refuted.
    Szasz indeed demonstrated that there are no diseases of the mind as psychiatry has always claimed from the beginning
    and that the issues associated with faulty thinking are epistemological, not medical, including the ‘bi-polar’ nonsense.
    Szasz wrote about psychiatry decades before he wrote about libertarian concepts.
    He also debunked the identical twins alleged propensity for ‘mental illness’ and as usual cited studies.
    Depression is not a disease and does not affect the brain. It affects one’s thinking and torture, drugging, electroshock, imprisonment and lobotomies are not the answer to it.
    Science is a method, not an end in itself and philosophers are as much entitled to use its methods as physicists.
    In any case psychiatry is not medicine nor science nor treatment. It is base rhetoric and coercion.
    Actual brain diseases like brain strokes and mental retardation do affect the mind but are real physical illnesses,
    not bogus ‘mental illnesses’ as you falsely assert.
    The only thing that you have demonstrated in that you never understood Szasz nor read him very deeply, if at all.
    I put zero credence in your alleged conversation with him.

  81. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 22, 2012 - 2:00 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    “This is not a laboratory or statistical proposition to be ‘proven’ but an epistemological verdict to be argued and debated.”

    This sums it up fairly nicely, Marcy: Dr. Szasz never “proved” nor disproved anything scientifically. He was not a scientist, despite his medical training; he was a philosopher (of sorts), like any other guru. His so-called “proof” that mental illness is a myth is simply a categorical denial of its reality, based upon Classical Liberal (i.e., Libertarian) philosophical precepts, not scientific evidence.

    He did not, for instance, demonstrate that the brains of those “labeled” as schizophrenic were identical to those who were not, in both structure and function. He did not demonstrate that those who are “labeled” as bipolar (manic depressives) are cycling through their depressive and maniacal phases in response to discernible external stimuli that are reproducible in others who have not been so labeled. He did not disprove the very high concordance for mental illnesses among identical twins, including those raised apart. He did not prove that it is impossible for diseases that effect the brain, whether structurally or functionally, to effect thought and behavior, as a direct result– which is precisely what mental illness means, as I have reiterated here several times, despite your fallacious assertions that mental illnesses are claimed by psychiatry to be merely “in one’s mind.”

  82. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 22, 2012 - 2:00 am | Permalink

    DK, your comments on the mind are completely out to lunch. The mind is not part of the brain and none of the so-called ‘mental illnesses’ have any physical component as is the case with mental retardation or brain strokes. The analogy with mathematics is wrong because we can accurately state the empirical, inductive reasoning such as counting entities which led to mathematics. No such inductive, empirical evidence exist in psychiatry, it has been one fallacious hypothesis after another which has led to one blind alley after another.
    Interested readers can consult Szasz’s The Myth Of Psychotherapy which traces the psychiatric religion here and that’s what psychiatry has been from the quack Mesmer to the present.
    Insanity by Szasz is a great introduction and then later readers can tackle The Myth Of Mental Illness, Szasz’s first work and the most difficult for laypersons but not impossible to master.
    None of your alleged experts have any better credentials and certainly you don’t.
    Szasz is far more knowledgeable about psychiatry than any Ph.D psychologist.
    The only circular reasoning here is by you repeating the already disputed assertion that ‘mental illness’s are a disease of the brain when no such evidence has ever been produced.
    In light of the exchange here readers might want to check out
    the book Szasz Under Fire:The Psychiatric Abolitionist Faces His Critics, edited by Jeffrey A. Schaler, open court, 2004.
    There we have the arguments of Szasz’s critics followed by full rebuttals from Szasz, not some unverifiable claim of some alleged conversation someone had with Szasz and which Szasz is not around to respond to same.
    Szasz obviously found out that his clinical experience AND his thinking about it convinced him that psychiatry is a total fraud and that ‘mental illness’ is a mistaken concept like witchcraft was in the Middle Ages or ‘scientific socialism’
    in recent times. This is not a laboratory or statistical proposition to be ‘proven’ but an epistemological verdict to be argued and debated. So far there has been no debate from you. And from your comments I doubt that you have even read Szasz’s vast body of work or a small portion thereof.
    Your report of your alleged conversation with Szasz’s suspect and lacks credibility.
    Since Szasz has written thirty books your statement that some unnamed psychologists have written in more depth
    is simply bizarre and false.
    You have added nothing to the discussion. At this point your condescending ad hominems about ‘gurus’ and other staples
    of your erroneous argument from (unnamed) ‘authority’ is recognized as the Aristotelian logical fallacy it is and we need to close this out. I am as profoundly unimpressed by you as it is possible to be. I don’t want to waste any more time on this, I have only done so for the other readers here, not for you.

  83. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 21, 2012 - 11:25 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    There are countless doctors with far better credentials than Dr. Szasz had, Marcy, including those with both medical degrees and doctorates in Psychology. They have written exponentially more on the subject of mental illness than did your preferred guru– whose experience in psychology was limited to being psychoanalyzed and then, in turn, psychoanalyzing others. You merely say that they cannot be correct, because Dr. Szasz already has ruled out that possibility. Thus, their clinical findings cannot be correct, either, because that would presuppose that mental illnesses are real, and your guru has already “proved” that there are no such things. Q.E.D. “Talk about circular reasoning !”

    Are you able to do anything, Marcy, without having to rely on your cult-like belief in everything ever uttered by your two gurus?

  84. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 21, 2012 - 10:10 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “Marching orders” was merely my way of referring to your policy prescriptions, and proscriptions, for hiring K-12 teachers, and even choosing parental volunteers. Your views are, indeed, obvious from this overly long exchange, and were hardly a single “off the cuff” remark about a news story, Alice. All that my initial response to your own broaching of the Connecticut shooting did was to state that it was unlikely that the shooter’s upbringing per se had any appreciable effect leading to his shooting spree, and then ask if you really wished to ban all parents of autistics, inter alia, from such positions. You are the one who treated that statement– by a former attorney, with an M.S. degree in Personality and Social Psychology– and a request for clarification as if they had been some personal affront to your dignity; indeed, you claimed that I was trying to silence you, and keep you from asking pertinent questions! Please refer to Harry Truman’s advice for prospective cooks….

  85. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 21, 2012 - 7:17 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    Yes, it is beyond the pale. I have an opinion on a subject in which I have interest and experience. I made an off the cuff comment as a tangent to a news story. That is neither issuing marching orders nor signing off on a complete statement of principles. I think that is clear to any open minded person. It seems we do not communicate well. Exactly what storm have I encountered?

  86. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 21, 2012 - 7:06 pm | Permalink

    @Julian Curtis Lee:
    Thanks, the feeling is mutual. The Thinking Housewife had an exchange with a young mother who had to constantly suppress the urge to keep her child out of school after the horror in Conn. Would that more young mothers recognized the danger their kid’s minds and souls are in everyday.

  87. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 21, 2012 - 7:01 pm | Permalink

    I fear we have already let them walk all over us.

  88. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 21, 2012 - 6:59 pm | Permalink

    The SPLC has been battering away at Southern whites since its inception. Part of our problem is that whites are sliced and diced. I am stunned by the tales out of California – it is nothing remotely like my reality. On the other hand, I have had intelligent, educated locals ask me why anyone would dislike Jews. They are just curious. The only Jew they know is the nice eye doctor over in Christiansburg (real place). The stories of our experience are not being told because we have lost the most fundamental right of a people – to tell our own story. Others can challenge it, tell their side, what have you. We have quit even trying to define ourselves. We think we did that when we chose our zip code.

    My Christmas wish is the everyone write an account of their own encounter with multicultural America. Get it down on paper. Entrust someone with a copy. Leave it in your will. It will be the only reference historians will have.

  89. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 21, 2012 - 4:20 pm | Permalink

    DK, Szasz has far better credentials than you and the ‘broken record’ charge could just as easily be applied to you. I have already made the basic argument here on the whole fraud of psychiatry and the non-disease of ‘mental illness’ and given some specific references. Szasz has written almost thirty books so to make it easier for readers I referenced two of them.
    You are the one with feet of clay, DK, as you have failed to refute Szasz’s premise. Clinical evidence on a non-disease is an oxymoron because how can you prove a negative ?
    Your parting comments on ‘self-hating’ Jews and Rand & Szasz are beneath contempt. Rand advised not wasting time on people committed to non-perception.

  90. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 20, 2012 - 6:02 pm | Permalink


    Jewish “suffering” = not enough jews are billionaries. Their race has barely ever encountered actual suffering in its entire history.

  91. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 20, 2012 - 5:13 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: “…demonstrated history of violent attacks on whites”.

    My God Alice, I knew the SPLC, was an extremely corrupt, filthy, vile, and anti-white organization, but I didn’t realize how corrupt, filthy and vile they had progressed to where whites are concerned. The very fact this organization is allowed to go on the way it does, is another canary in the coal mine, that demonstrates how lost this nation actually is.

  92. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 20, 2012 - 5:05 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza: The one thing that really is amazing besides all of the European-Americans, is the space. All of that beautiful, uncrowded, space, relative to today’s California tower of babel over population hell.

  93. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 20, 2012 - 4:59 pm | Permalink

    @mari: What Roosevelt noticed Mari, was real. Yet, how many times have we heard of all the exclusion that Jews as a group suffered in colleges, etc. The famous science fiction writer Isaac Asimov once wrote that a friend of his, another Jew, complained about all of the prejudice against Jews in colleges, clubs, etc. Asimov told him that he had never noticed any such thing.

  94. Steelback's Gravatar Steelback
    December 20, 2012 - 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Not only is Jewish influence disproportionately high in terms of enrolment the same influence is all pervasive in the curricular preoccupations of all Arts and Humanities courses: Freud, Derrida, Barthes, Jameson et al-charlatans the whole crew.

    Stay clean-stay out of university-it’s Jewish bull-HQ!

  95. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 20, 2012 - 4:55 pm | Permalink

    @mari: Mari, I agree one-hundred percent since I’ve witnessed this in the medical field I had training in after my retail career ended. (I wanted it to end) A degree is basically useless, for a white male, and will soon be for a white female as well. Case in point, here in California we keep hearing about the need for nurses. So several community colleges have expanded their nursing schools, and some have even built fantastic new ones, (Cerritos College,etc.) Yet, at the same time Congress is allowing thousands upon thousands of nurses to come here from the Phillipines,etc.
    I repeat, for the thousandth time, Congress does NOT serve the interests of Americans citizens, certainly not European-Americans, neither does the Senate. And of course, the rest of your post on this is accurate as always, despite how it seems to rile some of the posters here.

  96. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 19, 2012 - 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Off Topic. I want to share a sick story.
    Here in LA, there is the Venice Art walk. Someone commented
    ‘so many Jewish named artists’.

    Me, ‘yes, the gallery owners are Jews’. They do the ‘hiring’.

  97. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 19, 2012 - 10:48 pm | Permalink

    @Graham Wellington:
    Yes, but they can move to USA and be dual citizens.

  98. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 19, 2012 - 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Mari, once upon a time Forbes ? Fortune? did an article on
    the Worst of 400 franchises.
    It being Subway!

  99. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    December 19, 2012 - 9:11 pm | Permalink

    White California, circa 1947. Paradise lost:

  100. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 19, 2012 - 8:25 pm | Permalink


    Encouraging your White children to excell in math and science does no good at all because even if they get past the discrimination in college admissions and get a degree, they just won’t be hired. The problem for Whites is not math and science skills, but being unable to use them because of discrimination.

    About the only thing a White man can do with a STEM degree is to get a job teaching math in some horrible ghetto high school where he will be subjected not only to the horrors of the black kids, but scrutinized and harassed by the black female administrators and teachers. They absolutely hate White teachers and do everything possible to get White teachers fired at the end of the first year before they get tenure.

    The reality is, no matter how good a White is, the discrimination against us is so through and ferociously enforced that we are just banned from college and most jobs.

    Spending years encouraging White children to do well in school to succeed in life is just a delusion nowdays.

    Anyway, that work hard in school, go to college and you will be rewarded by getting a good job idea just no longer exists for Whites.

  101. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 19, 2012 - 8:14 pm | Permalink

    A college degree is useless for a White person, no matter what the degree. UCLA white male STEM grads just are not hired. The employeers prefer in order, asian foreign students who will have to leave when their student visas are up, then asians who are legal residents but not yet citizens, then asian citizens. A White man getting a degree in math, tech or science might as well get his degree in black gay women’s studies for all the good it will do him.

    Better buy your White male son a subway sandwich franchise instead of wasting time and money on college. Check black on the SBA application and the goverment will loan him most of the cost. Take business and accounting at the local community college and have a nice, prosperous life.

    A young chinese legal resident I know graduated from UCLA with a computer programming degree. His oh so wise father
    purposely delayed getting him citizenship until he was hired and worked for a year.

    Why? Because the employers prefer not just asians but asians who are not yet citizens.

  102. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    December 19, 2012 - 8:10 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Absolutely. They’re actually trying to make heros out of prison inmates and violent thugs who attack Whites. Pure evil. So when Whites are attacked like at the Wisc. State Fair incident, not a word from SPLC. They often brag about their close co-operation with law enforcement. It’s as if they are trying to build a shadow police force as a private entity which is only answerable to the Tribe. Pretty scary and unbelievable gall. These people will walk all over us if we let them.

  103. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 19, 2012 - 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Franklin Roosevelt was a member of the Harvard board of overseers in the early 1920’s. He noticed that the freshman class of 1922 was one third jews. According to DK’s research, the percentage of jews in America was 3.2 in the 1920 census. That is a massive overrepresentation, much like the massive overrepresentation of black women in civil service jobs. Roosevelt thought that Harvard should scale down jewish percentage to 15 percent, lowering the jewish percentage about 1 or 2 percent a year.

    That of course was before Roosevelt became president and hired all those communist jews in federal jobs.

  104. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 19, 2012 - 4:00 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    You find my use of the phrase “marching orders” to be offensive and beyond the pale, Alice?!? “Any port in a storm,” apparently….

  105. December 19, 2012 - 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Mossad’s Elite “Kidon Killers”

    A new book reveals that a department known as Kidon within the Mossad has dispatched assassins into Iran in order to murder the nuclear scientists, thereby stunting the country’s nuclear energy program.

    Kidon, known to be one of the world’s most efficient killing machines, is technically described as a little Mossad within Mossad.

    Tasked with carrying out covert ops across the world, Kidon has embarked on a number of black ops and assassinations in different countries.

    Those who kill for Kidon are selected either from within the Mossad spy agency or from among the natives of the countries where they plan to carry out assassinations.

  106. December 19, 2012 - 2:08 pm | Permalink
  107. December 19, 2012 - 12:33 pm | Permalink

    To Alice Teller:
    Me too, Alice. I was a homeschooling dad. (Of course I used the term “Raising your own kids.”) I’m a fan by the way.

  108. BeenThere_DoneThat's Gravatar BeenThere_DoneThat
    December 19, 2012 - 10:12 am | Permalink

    to a previous quote of mine, namely:
    “…whereas UCLA beats two other Ivy League schools.”

    That was still the case two years ago, but in the latest ranking, to which I had linked, the correct observation is:
    UCLA beats three other Ivy League universities (and four altogether) . If the term “Ivy League” is still supposed mean something special, then both Dartmouth and Brown should have been kicked out of the club. According to the 2012 list of academic rankings, Dartmouth is a joke and Brown ties with Ohio State. Considering that UCBerkeley was ranked second two years ago (and is rather close to being in a tie with both Stanford and MIT), Asians who are California residents don’t have that much to complain about, whereeas non-Jewish Whites are also getting screwed big-time by both UCLA and UCBerkeley, according to the bar graph shown in the article.

  109. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 19, 2012 - 8:43 am | Permalink

    The SPLC now hires people who have a demonstrated history of violent attacks on whites.

  110. December 19, 2012 - 5:42 am | Permalink

    @Graham Wellington: I am afraid that Mike Harris discredits the cause that he ostensibly represents by going too far with paranoid conspiracy-claims. I would rather not have him on my side.

    The Black guy on that show makes more sense than either Mike Harris or the leftist Don Debar. It was a Negro with plain old horse-sense facing off against two loonies.

  111. December 19, 2012 - 3:00 am | Permalink

    @Anty Ep: Better than individual determination is if parents make the effort to raise their children to succeed academically. If the parents make that a priority, the children will internalize it. It’s easier to make the individual effort if the individual has that kind of start.

    The father shouldn’t leave it all to the mother, either, as is the usual pattern these days.

  112. BeenThere_DoneThat's Gravatar BeenThere_DoneThat
    December 19, 2012 - 2:59 am | Permalink

    That was an interesting read. I also appreciated Unz exposing the Jewish “intellectual superiority” myth of themselves, which to me was already evident as such from previously mediocre PISA testing results from Israel, compared with high school students from European or Asian countries. How many more Jewish propaganda myths need to be deconstructed before those folks start to sense some humility or shame?

    The weight of the accumulated evidence Unz presents would seem to be a sufficient basis for a much publicized class action lawsuit. There is currently an individual case pending before the Supreme Court, but that’s about a White girl who was denied by the U. of Texas in favor of Blacks or Hispanics, which appears to be more of a distraction from the more pertinent and blatant discrimination going on at private institutions in the Northeast. Defending against such a lawsuit would essentially force these universities to assert (Alan Dershowitz would love to do this), that all those Jews they accepted are just that much more special than the more intelligent Gentile applicants they rejected.

    I would be curious to find out about the admissions policies for graduate and professional schools at top universities. There are more graduate students enrolled at some of the top Ivy League schools than undergraduates. I am aware of the Jewish privilege — because they’re so special, you know — that allows those to take the law school admission test a couple of days after everyone else, for religious reasons. The test prep organizations have a professional take the test on a Saturday with everyone else and then report to the Jewish cohort members what the test will be like, so they can prepare and get an edge over the others in the final score.

    I thought it somewhat startling, that Unz would even bother to invoke Dartmouth. While the other “Ivy League” universities fall within the top 15, according to the most reputable ranking (, Dartmouth doesn’t even fall within the top 150. Furthermore, Yale is somewhat overrated, whereas UCLA beats two other Ivy League schools.

    If Harvard were really to admit applicants on a basis of meritocracy, they might as well eventually close down some of their departments since the really bright people would tend to focus on more rigorous fields, such as Engineering, Chemistry, Physics, Computer Science, Biology, and Math. They’re definitely not the kind of students who would want to major in Howl-o-Cost Studies, Women’s Studies, or International Relations, for instance. This is likely the best explanation for the phenomenon that I can think of, which Unz alluded to only vaguely by invoking Caltech.

  113. December 18, 2012 - 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Mike Harris on Press TV

    “I’m tired of the kid gloves with Israel. It’s time to go bare knuckles with them. Let’s go.”

  114. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 18, 2012 - 6:28 pm | Permalink
  115. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 18, 2012 - 6:03 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    Marching orders? I’m going to quit assuming that you are interested in an exchange of ideas.

  116. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 18, 2012 - 6:00 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    By the way, if such precautions are prudent– or, even, necessary– to keep the children of America safe from an insufferable risk, would not the same rationale be applicable to any other forum, public or private, where children are in regular attendance? Do we need a new federal statute mandating such strictures– and institutionalizing ongoing surveillance of the personal lives of any and all persons who are thus in contact with the children of America?

  117. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 18, 2012 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    The late mother apparently was not a teacher, but had volunteered in some kindergarten classes, in prior years. You apparently want all parents who volunteer in K-12 to undergo as thorough of background checks as if they were adopting the children themselves– and then, ongoing monitoring of their personal lives, ever after, to avoid volunteers with stressful lives. All parents of children suffering from Autism spectrum (and, presumably, any other illness, mental or otherwise, that causes permanent, ongoing stress) are apparently to be banned from volunteering, let alone the holding of teaching licenses, because their lives are, ipso facto, too stressful, and their children thereby represent an insufferable risk to the public safety of America’s schoolchildren. Do I have your marching orders down fairly well, Alice? Let me know what your potential teaching and volunteering pools look like, after all that scrutiny, Alice– not to mention the necessary budget increases.

    By the way, it now appears that the likely trigger for this violence was the fact that the son knew that the mother had initiated the necessary legal paperwork to have him involuntarily committed, because she could no longer deal with his escalating level of anti-social behavior.

  118. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 18, 2012 - 4:18 pm | Permalink

    @Anty Ep: Right on, but the average American parent is too busy–work, followed by football, basketball, baseball, bowling, ice hockey, insultingly stupid “sitcoms”, going to the “beemer” dealership once a month, the mall… “modern” parents lives’are simply too complicated and stressfull to watch after their growing kids and actually spend time with them. Afterall, who do you think they are, President John Adams, who used to spend time helping his son John Quincy with calculus problems–two hundred years ago?

  119. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 18, 2012 - 4:13 pm | Permalink

    @Ignorent Miscegenators: May I suggest reading blogs involving the ongoings in the STATE OF CALIFORINA. The encycopedia Brittanica could devote their whole collection to this topic–easily. But then, main stream sources of “truth” don’t cover topics like the problems of multiculturalism, because to them, there aren’t any problems.

  120. December 18, 2012 - 11:45 am | Permalink

    “Jewish superiority” – or ethnic networking?

    Kevin Barrett will be interviewing Dr. MacDonald today.

  121. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    December 18, 2012 - 11:28 am | Permalink

    Oddly this reminds me of a line from the movie Conan the Barbarian (old one with Arnie) where the narrator says “there are times when success tests a man’s mettle as well as adversity” and there is Conan drunkenly dropping his head into a bowl of soup. That’s what’s happened to the white man, in part– a victim of his own success in American and most especially in Ivy League schools. Self-pity is not the solution, but understanding what has happened is a part of it, so this article is good; but the solution depends on individual motivation to succeed in academics and not just group solidarity. In fact success in academics requires decades of individual self motivation in environments where group belonging issues are pretty secondary. Like standardized testing. So let white men earn their lost ascendacy back one white man at a time, in part, through consistent application of effort to the circumstances– ie, WORK.

  122. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    December 18, 2012 - 11:23 am | Permalink

    Here is another idea for whites when it comes to science math and engineering. Quit feeling sorry for yourselves and get busy training your kids to study their math and science every night and teach them to believe in their own ability to excel and push them forwards accordingly.

    That is a lot of work and it doesnt leave a lot of time for whining about East Asians. Their over-representation in engineering is compliment to their cultural ability for work. They lack the same fake self serving referral and preference network that Jews have and we should make sure that we don’t judge that which is different the same way. It shows ignoble spirit not Aryan spirit.

    Of course we should prefer our own kind and it should never stop us from admiring real cultural differences that we perhaps might consider emulating.

    instead I see a lot of white people imitating negroes with constant self-amusement, from porn to drinking to general immorality and laziness. Do the Chinese engineering students exhibit laziness, criminality, and drunkenness? If not then we should be careful about casting a net that drags them in as well.

    As for Jews, there is a lot of fake achievement there which is based on their own internal promotion, but you know, there are some Jews whose technical merits show a lot of hard work we shouldnt pretend for a second that they are incapable of hard work. The Jewish fascination with the wordy rationalistic circumlocutions of the Talmud makes them very well prepared, culturally, for today’s truth- avoiding academic environment of incessant discourse– instead of dialogue. One of the thigns whites can do to reclaim our heritage and collective spiritual power is to consider what we can do to champion truth and not just our own narrow self interests like Shylock.

  123. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    December 18, 2012 - 11:11 am | Permalink

    This is a very good article and a woeful trend.

    Does anybody consider that Asian persons here in America might start to resent the hell out of Jews lock on the American system and could be occasional if not strategic allies against them? I wonder about this from time to time. I’m not advocating it just raising the question for further consideration.

  124. Ignorent Miscegenators's Gravatar Ignorent Miscegenators
    December 18, 2012 - 5:38 am | Permalink

    That should read can’t see .Sorry looks like I can’t see !

  125. Ignorent Miscegenators's Gravatar Ignorent Miscegenators
    December 18, 2012 - 5:34 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: Great comment Mary . I would be great to hear some of your personal tribulations in surviving day to day in a ‘multicultural’ society . This is one thing this comments section lacks is enough personal descriptions of harassment and discrimination . Its those things that people all over the world can see because the MSM fantasy being projected
    I might even suggest that since you seem quite literate , you might put together some article for TOO . Vignettes of day to day experiences living in the New California . Perhaps your first article could be called Living in New California for a woman .

    Also do you notice how the trolls try to close out the discussion by clogging up the scroll with inanity at the end ?

  126. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 18, 2012 - 2:44 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I was not aware of the father’s effect on girls. I thought that all girls were maturing early. I wonder if studies accounted for race? In an even sample I assume that more black and hispanic girls would come from single mother homes. I must look into that, thanks.

  127. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 18, 2012 - 2:33 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Clint Walker that is

  128. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 18, 2012 - 2:32 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    I have learned that if you hold high standards you generally get less than hoped for but far more than holding low standards. I wanted to marry a guy who looked like Clint, tall, dark and handsome, was smart, funny and wanted a pack of kids. I regret to inform you that my husband is blond. He still beats hell out of chopped liver.

    The town were this horror occurred is hardly the inner city. They can afford to be selective. You must begin somewhere. I was always under the impression that to discerning people rarity often increases value.

    No ones life is stress free, certainly not mine. But most stresses are transient. If the theory that the murderer was autistic I would assume the stress is constant.

    If we believed 1/10 of the blather about the future and our children as our most precious asset we would get serious about the real chances of improving education. In my youth it was very common for the best and brightest women to combine children and teaching as a later career. It might be the answer that thousands of overworked young women might choose. Even the Atlantic has been forced to acknowledge that women have been placed in impossible positions.

  129. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 18, 2012 - 2:16 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I am not pro-single motherhood, Jason. Neither am I in favor of men dumping their unattractive, middle-aged wives for younger trophy wives– even though I, now, as an older man, fully understand the unending attraction of younger women! When I see some of the women whom I once was seriously involved with, and thought of marrying, I am not regretful of not having done so. Time has taken in its toll on them, as it has on me– only more so, as is the natural order of things!

  130. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 18, 2012 - 2:06 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I absolutely believe boys often start doing what they want if there is no father around. There are exceptions, but the stats are pretty clear. Boys are FAR more likely to get in trouble. And, I understand there is some evidence that girls without fathers become sexually mature earlier – not just in terms of behavior, but physically. The reasons aren’t clear why.

  131. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 18, 2012 - 2:05 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    No, Alice, you either miss my points, or else deliberately pretend that you do. To begin with, I do want teachers who are qualified to teach, both by having the requisite knowledge and the requisite skills. I want that demonstrated before they are hired, based upon both their academic credentials and their student-teaching performance; then, subsequently, by their performance as teachers, over the years. Your Lake Wobegon desire to have K-12 teachers who come only from stress-free homes, like your own, is understandable; it is simply as unrealistic as that fictional town, where “all the children are above average.” You would prefer to have K-12 teachers who would not even begin to teach until they had proved themselves qualified– by producing adult children of their own of upstanding character! That rather cuts down on the potential supply, as well as the potential tenures, of potential K-12 teachers.

    I have no contempt, at all, Alice, for the fictional June Cleaver, nor for Harriet Nelson– whether her fictional self or her actual self. There are simply too few such women, these days, to fill the ranks of K-12 teachers. Even if there were enough such women, June Cleaver and Harriet Nelson were who they were precisely because they wished to stay home and raise their own children. To fill the nation’s schoolrooms with such women would take them out of their own homes, where they had chosen to be, and push them into the workforce. That would be two-steps-forward-and-one-step-back; or else, one-step-forward-and-two-steps back….

    Not everyone in the United States lives in rural Virginia, Alice. Where are you going to find the necessary teachers to fill the classrooms of New York, Los Angles, Chicago, etc., using your own desired qualifications, after you have fired all of those current teachers who could never hope to meet them?

  132. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 18, 2012 - 2:00 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    We’ll see, but the mom was living in a $1.4 million dollar home with $200K from her husband each year. I believe the stats show that most divorces – especially among Whites – are initiated by the wife.

    The onslaught of “single moms” raising (or not raising) their kids is a definite problem.

  133. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 18, 2012 - 1:27 am | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:
    Jews and P. go together like bagels and lax!
    Alot of easy money there.

  134. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 18, 2012 - 1:08 am | Permalink

    Thanks Molly. I was not thinking of teachers as being Jewish. I look forward to reading the links you provided.

  135. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 18, 2012 - 1:03 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Actually, it is older fathers which are associated with autism. Older mothers have other problems. It is an interesting point. I do not claim to have all the answers. I do know that an active father is vital to the healthy development of boys.

    If you will forgive a personal example, when my eldest son was eleven or so, I asked him to help me move a heavy piece of furniture. We were both shocked when it quickly became clear that he was stronger than I. Such little things give young men dangerous ideas about their own power. One can nearly watch them think, why should I take orders from her? Thank heavens, my husband never laid a hand on our boys in anger. The fact that he could made all the difference. Adolescence and the associated testosterone poisoning which ensues is difficult both for the boy and anyone who must live with him. Much as I loved them, there were moments when I was sure the Brits had the right Idea – send them off to school and see if they have improved by graduation.

    The feminist fantasy that if anyone can cope with sub-optimum circumstances everyone can has proven its worth. If we want to turn out better quality people we might want to consider the care and feeding of children as something other than an easy task to be done when more important matters leave time and energy.

  136. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 18, 2012 - 12:43 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: Good to know you are not playing gotcha. I apologize, I was trying to reply to you while doing twenty other things. I was not trying to prosecute this “:case”. I was trying, evidently not successfully, to make a point about the questions which are raised in our culture and the automatic answers which we are expected to provide. The media, and by extension, the unthinking masses will continue to blame the usual suspects.

    You seem to hold the belief, common to our failed culture, that we must be fair above all. If you have completed your degree, you have a right to be a teacher unless your are caught taking a little boy’s pants down, or holding an unpopular opinion.

    I do not share that sentiment. Teaching is serious business. To do it well requires far more than the right credentials from our government. If we want to stop our decline we must focus on what is best for children not teachers. As an example, I do think a divorced woman trying to cope on her own with a trouble child, is the optimum candidate to teach kindergarden.

    You clearly hold a different view as well as contempt for June Cleaver clones who actually take child rearing seriously. It seems we disagree.

  137. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 18, 2012 - 12:15 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Gee, since she had her two kids when she was about 28 and 32 years of age, she obviously brought this all upon herself. She deserved to die!

    “We can surmise that the mom was so [EXPLETIVE DELETED] crazy that the father had no choice but to get away from her, or that he was SO BETA she pulled the trigger on the divorce and cast Adam’s father to the modern equivalent of the icy wastelands.”

    This is what passes for brilliant commentary, Jason? Might it just be possible that her very successful husband decided to ditch his overweight, middle-aged first wife– not to mention their two sons, one of whom was mentally defective– in order to marry a younger, thinner trophy wife, and to start a new life, elsewhere, with her?

  138. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 18, 2012 - 12:01 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “I repeat, again, we have no knowledge that the killer is mentally ill.”

    We have certain knowledge that he is not: He is dead! We have every reason to believe– based upon what has been said about him, by those who knew him, rather than upon simply what he (literally) ended up doing– that he had been mentally ill, however. Just for a start, mentally healthy people tend not to burn themselves, over and over again, deliberately. Regardless, since his mother was apparently not a teacher at the school, and, in fact, had become a full-time stay-at-home mother dedicated to looking after her younger son, alone, this tragic case is wholly irrelevant to the type of standards that you would hope to bring to K-12 education. It is one thing to seek to weed out child abusers from teaching staffs; it is quite another to seek to fill every teaching position with Harriet Nelson clones. Good luck finding enough of those to fill an overwhelmingly White school in Vermont or North Dakota– let alone the urban schools, nationwide, that contain the bulk of all American schoolchildren.

  139. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 17, 2012 - 11:47 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: @Alice Teller:

    On the Mom issue with regard to this boy, I might suggest reading this blog entry from world famous “Game” advocate Heartiste (as always, there is some profane language):

    He makes the case that older moms are more likely to have kids with psychological problems, and single moms more likely to have troubled criminal offspring. The combination is not good. And perhaps we can all agree feminism has encouraged both single motherhood and the habit of waiting until as close to 50 as possible to mate (although she had him at the relatively young age of 32 – but a lot of evidence now yes that when it comes to having kids, 20s is better).

  140. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 17, 2012 - 11:10 pm | Permalink

    @arthurdecco: Listen, I didn’t grudgingly admit it 100 percent, because I’m not clear on where this fraud might occur, national, state, local, elections,etc. , when it might occur, or how widespread it actually is. I disagree with you that Ron Paul would have automatically been elected if it weren’t for election fraud. Ron Paul, is disliked by millions of people for just about as many reasons. He’s too old some say, he’s too wacky others say, he’s a bigot some say, etc.etc. I’ve read hundreds of blogs on they guy, and I don’t think rigged election machines are needed to neccessarily defeat Ron Paul.

    Here’s a statement that’s true by the Reverend Ted Pike for example. when it comes to the mentality of millions of Americans. In an article he wrote, “Did Jews Sell Blacks into Slavery”, in which he argues that Spielberg in his latest movie on Lincoln, forgot to give Jews credit for being slaver dealers and traders. He said, and I paraphrase, that as early as 1964 Americans gave their blessing to a legal system that gave preference to minorities over the majority in college admissions, monetary assistance, quotas in hiring and firing, anti discrimination laws in housing as well as forced busing.
    And yet, you expect me to be one-hundred percent certain about the general intelligence of the American voting public!! And all this was at a time, when European-Americans were in the majority!! You see my point, don’t you?

  141. Molly's Gravatar Molly
    December 17, 2012 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I’ll begin with why.

    The Jews are hostile toward Whites. Hatred of Whites is a big part of their world view. Furthermore, honesty is not a trait that Jews value. Consequently, Jews in general cannot be trusted to treat any non-Jews fairly, let alone White students, who are in an unequal relationship with Jewish teachers and school administrators.

    As Ron Unz’ research shows, Jews are maintaining and even increasing their overrepresentation in American leading educational institutions in general at a level that is far above levels warranted by their academic performance. Unz suggests that an important reason for the dramatic Jewish student overrepresentation is the large number of Jews in faculty and administrative positions at these institutions . As Andrew Joyce points out in his article “Free to Cheat” in the current issue of TOQ, ordinary Jews benefit from the corruption and power of their communal leaders.

    On the other hand, many high achievers, who apparently are mostly White, when they get into our universities are not getting out with a degree. The Educational Testing Service did a study of higher education which showed that of high performance high school students who went on to college in 1980, only half had graduated seven years later.

    One reason Jews are overrepresented is because Whites are being forced out.

    How does this happen?

    There are a multitude of answers to this question.

    On some campuses, minorities have preferences in getting into classes. And Jews count themselves as a minority group. As Senator Joseph Lieberman famously stated, “I am a Jewish-American, a member of a Minority group.”

    Grading on a curve is one way of downgrading White students that makes it very difficult for them to uncover evidence that they have been cheated. Indeed most White students don’t know how to go about exposing such a plot. But at least two law suits have been filed against universities for this crime. One named the University of Chicago as the defendant.

    See also my post #115 in this thread regarding the role played by Jews in international finance in rewarding schools that “weed out” White students. More information on that and additional examples of how White university students are cheated out of a degree can be found in the article “Educational Sabotage” at this link:…/121sample.pdf

    A thread titled “Tactics used to compel White science students to drop out of college” on Stormfront provides many more examples of the subtle and not-so-subtle forms of Jewish subversion of White students:

  142. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 17, 2012 - 6:47 pm | Permalink


    “when jews switch off the internet, print will still be aroud, as it has been for thousands of yrs.”

    That reminds me…

    The ultra popular website YouTube recently made some changes and now they are asking for feedback.

    This seems like a good opportunity for us to encourage them to keep free speech alive on their site.

  143. Martin Simard's Gravatar Martin Simard
    December 17, 2012 - 6:42 pm | Permalink


    The concept of Jews as a negative element in western society is already associated by the mass media with Hitler and the Third Reich. Make one statement about Jewish privilege and be prepared to be told by a White person that “You sound like Hitler.”

  144. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 17, 2012 - 6:31 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    I did not call for automatic rejection of anyone. I would like the ability to inquire into the suitability of anyone who has enormous ongoing stress. I repeat, again, we have no knowledge that the killer is mentally ill. All we know for sure is that he had great rage. I find it hard to believe that this episode was the first hint of that. I think preference should be given to people in stable marriages who have successfully reared and launched their own children.

  145. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 17, 2012 - 6:03 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming: Competition in force is good (even in the reductio ad absurdem scenario of one versus contending mafias).

    Witness the relations between sovereign nations, not all of which are in perpetual war. That’s called diplomacy. The opposite is one-world-government.

    Whatever Childs’ personal views, his critique was ignored by Rand, not refuted.

  146. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 17, 2012 - 6:00 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    When I became certified as a substitute teacher in New Jersey, early in this new millennium, Alice, I needed to be fingerprinted, for posterity, and to withstand criminal-background checks by both the New Jersey State Police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Should I have been rejected, nonetheless, because I have family members who are mentally defective?

  147. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 17, 2012 - 5:46 pm | Permalink

    My point was that we should have high standards for teachers as we do for other professional. I believe that lawyers must not commit crimes or other improprieties if the wish to be admitted to and remain in good standing with the Bar.

    Call me mad, but I continue to think that teachers are actually more important than lawyers. If you want to hand over complete control of all you hold dear in life without question, to anyone who manages to complete the required courses in education – go for it.

  148. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 17, 2012 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    You are like a broken record, Marcy! (Or, should I say CD, for those of you too young to remember vinyl records?) You keep going back to the same canard: “No you are reduced to claiming that nonexistent diseases of the mind are really physical illnesses. Talk about circular reasoning !” For the umpteenth time, in just this thread, Marcy, mental illnesses are not merely “diseases of the mind;” they are physical diseases that effect the brain, and thereby effect thought (and, thus, behavior), which is the direct product of brain structure and function– not some transcendental phenomenon that takes place elsewhere or otherwise. The mind is an immaterial conception, but it is neither a myth nor a metaphor, any more than, say, mathematics is a myth or a metaphor; it is an inherent aspect of the evolved human brain, much as the picture on your television screen is an inherent aspect of the humanly engineered television set as a functioning whole.

    Yes, Dr. Szasz rejected the profession that he had practiced. He had clinical psychotherapeutic experience, both his own and others’, to use as evidence that psychoanalysis was fraudulent. When asked by me whether he had any actual evidence– psychotherapeutic or otherwise– to support one of his own stated beliefs, he readily admitted that he did not. He believed it not because of any evidence, at all, but merely because he chose to believe it. That is neither pure science, medical science, forensic science, nor social science. Your golden idol, Marcy, had feet of clay.

    I did not cite my own IQ, here, Marcy; I merely invited you to cite your own, to assert your own intellectual superiority over me. Otherwise, readers might be inclined to think that someone with a Master of Science degree in Personality and Social Psychology knows more about the psychological sciences than you do– despite your canonical knowledge of the works of Dr. Szasz. Your belief that someone could have achieved what, for instance, I did, academically and professionally, without being able to read or think straight merely boils down to the obvious, Marcy: in your mind, no one who disagrees with you on such matters, no matter his measured IQ or his accomplishments in real life, could possibly be thinking straight, else he simply would agree with you. Q.E.D. “Talk about circular reasoning !” I did not cite my own accomplishments to prove that I was right about mental illnesses, as you claim (with an “argument from authority” of your own, courtesy of Aristotle); I cited them to prove that you were demonstrably wrong about my actual intellectual capacities. That you are incapable of distinguishing between those two uses of that evidence tells us just about all that we need to know….

    You may be a self-hating Jew (or, half-Jew, as the case may be; I forget which parent is which), but the fruit still does not fall far from the tree, Marcy. You merely have substituted two Jewish gurus, Rand and Szasz, who have set up intellectual cults of personality in direct opposition to the modern standard bearers for such gurus among secular Jews, Marx and Freud.

  149. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 17, 2012 - 4:30 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    On Friday afternoon, Alice, you wrote, here, in relevant part:

    “The one question we will not hear is why a woman who reared such a troubled child was hired to be a kindergarten teacher? I know that mental illness can strike anywhere, but there are surely signs?”

    In response to which, virtually one full day later, with much more known about the Connecticut tragedy, I wrote:

    “It is unlikely that upbringing had any appreciable role to play in Adam Lanza’s becoming a mass murderer, Alice. Are you thinking that any teacher who has an autistic child should be fired, and then barred from teaching thereafter, because of some supposedly high likelihood that an autistic child will go on such a rampage? I do not know why Nancy Lanza felt the need for such an arsenal, living in what appears to be a very White, upper-middle class [sic] part of Connecticut; but, whatever need she felt surely could have been balanced against the fact that she had a son living with her who was mentally unwell, and who was prone to outbursts, as a result.”

    Was that my alleged “gotcha” moment, Alice? Was my simply asking for your explicit clarification of what you seemed to me to be clearly implying really some horribly unfair characterization on my part of what you had previously written, and beyond the pale of civil discourse (let alone this environment)?

    Several hours later, Alice, you replied:

    “It seems far too early to decide on a diagnosis. All we know at this point is that she has reared an very troubled child, did not take adequate steps to ensure that he did not have access to guns nor insure that he received the help he needed. That raises enough doubt for me to wonder.

    “I do not view teaching as a right. It is a position of great responsibility which is best done by intelligent, well adjusted, non-stressed people. If people are to hand over their precious child, who is entirely vulnerable, both physically and emotionally, we should look at teaching applicants seriously.

    “Nor am I persuaded that mental illness renders parenting irrelevant. There is a big difference between people who have a psychotic break and go chasing rainbows and those who murder little kids.

    “I may have spoken somewhat off the cuff. I see our casual disregard for the quality of teachers, especially of the very young, as a great and terrible danger. Every other question in the book will be asked, why not mine?”

    The implication to me, Alice, is that you were accusing me of trying to silence you from asking a relevant question about the incident, and its broader social implications– when all I had done was ask a question seeking clarification of whether you had been implying what I reasonably believed you to have been implying. Furthermore, this reply does imply, yet again, that those teachers unfortunate enough to have troubled children, due to naturally occurring mental conditions, like the Autism spectrum or schizophrenia, should be barred from further teaching, as a reasonable public-safety measure. Your desire for “non-stressed” teachers and teaching candidates could be used to require perpetual monitoring of the private lives of all teachers, since any number of personal circumstances– bad marriages, jilted suitors, angry neighbors– would be easily as plausible as factors to risk bringing violence into the schoolroom, from outside of the school’s own parameters, as any teacher’s mentally unfit child.

    What you claimed to know, then, Alice, also was fallacious: not knowing, at that point, what treatment the killer had received throughout his life for his mental condition is hardly the same thing as knowing that the dead mother had not previously “insure[d] that he received the help he needed.” Her allowing him apparent access to her large gun collection is what I myself had questioned, in my initial comment on the issue– and a relevant issue that was certainly not highlighted in your own initial comment on the subject, in which you railed about “gun control propaganda,” among other sins of the news media.

    I replied, several hours later, with a news quote, in which it was stated that investigators had found no link between Nancy Lanza and the school– thus rendering the issue of hiring teachers with mentally disabled children wholly irrelevant to the current case. I then added:

    “The modern notion that psychopathology is caused largely by bad parenting is a Jewish canard that is as worthless as the old religious one that held that it was caused by literal demon possession! The notion that what Adam Lanza did was likely the result of how he was parented in his affluent household is about as likely as my blue-collar upbringing’s being responsible for my inability to run a four-minute mile.”

    To which you, Alice, replied, later yesterday morning:

    “At the time I wrote the comment you object to, the media was reporting that she was the kindergarten teacher. I did not intend to suggest that bad parenting causes mental illness. I do suggest that the way in which anyone is reared does affect the way in which all mental states will manifest in actions.

    “I tend to be very skeptical when anyone from any group insists that some questions cannot even be raised.”

    Once again, you imply that I had tried to stop you from broaching the original (and, now, apparently irrelevant) question– indeed, that I had “insist[ed] that some questions cannot even be raised.” Another patently fallacious charge, on your part, to which I replied, yesterday afternoon:

    “I did not prevent nor prohibit you, or anyone else, from asking that, or any other, question, Alice. I merely answered the question, and contradicted its presumption that bad behavior presupposes bad parenting of the person behaving badly, along with your apparent prescription than anyone with a mentally challenged child– be he autistic or schizophrenic– should be barred from teaching, based on some inscrutable assumption that such a child not only presents an insufferable risk of becoming a mass murderer, at some point, but that any such homicidal incident is likely to be directed against the hapless students of the unfortunate parent’s own school. All of those presumptions and assumptions are patently fallacious. Can anyone here name another mass school shooting that was carried out either by one of its own teachers’ child or by a gunmen [sic] with autism or schizophrenia– let alone fitting both of those criteria? Most such school shootings have been carried out by current students who were being perpetually bullied for being misfits.”

    I am still waiting for that second case…. Meanwhile, your latest reply, earlier this afternoon:

    “You are assigning presumptions which I did not make. This makes an intelligent exchange of ideas very difficult. I am much too busy right now to play a game of gotcha or to enter into a legalistic argument on the ‘well know facts’ as laid down by the psychiatric profession. Merry Christmas D.K.”

    Now that the full exchange has been gathered in one convenient place, third parties may decide for themselves who was making reasonable presumptions, assumptions, and policy prescriptions, and who, perhaps, was not. When you are able to detect just which few mentally ill individuals are likely to go on a mass-murder spree, Alice, and which scores of millions of others are not– “There is a big difference between people who have a psychotic break and go chasing rainbows and those who murder little kids.”– be sure to patent your process. It will be worth a vast, well-earned fortune.

    Merry Christmas, Alice!

  150. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 17, 2012 - 3:04 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    “Psychiatry was also neither invented by nor originally dominated by Jews.”

    Neither was the New York Times, Harvard University, or the Democratic party but they sure as hell are now. We Whites have only ourselves to blame for not doing what’s necessary to crush non-White aggression against us.

  151. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    December 17, 2012 - 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Charles Murray writes: ‘At the Ivies, Asians are the new Jews’

    What I don’t understand is this: Why do we all accept that what the Ivies did to limit Jewish enrollment was racist and un-American, while what they’re doing to limit Asian enrollment is not even considered newsworthy?

    Allow me to elucidate Mr Murray. It’s not discussed because it is being done to benefit Jews. Asian enrollment on merit would have to impact white enrollment (reducing the number of Jews is obviously out of the question). The result would be a tiny percentage of white non Jewish students at the top Ivies; white people might begin to think of themselves as a group who were being screwed. Though if the current 18% of Harvard enrollment being non-Jewish white hasn’t made them realize that, one may doubt anything could.

  152. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 17, 2012 - 2:11 pm | Permalink

    What you write about Krapelein is true and Szasz goes into him as well as Jung. No one ever denied that there are Gentile psychiatrists but to say that psychiatry is not dominated by Jews is simply false. Also the origins of modern psychiatry and psychoanalysis start with Freud, who was a militant Jew with strong anti-Gentile views.

  153. December 17, 2012 - 1:39 pm | Permalink

    @90404: Not only Jews are psychiatrists. One of Dr. William Pierce’s major benefactors was a psychiatrist. Psychiatry also existed in the Third Reich. Hermann Göring’s cousin Matthias Göring was a psychiatrist.

    Psychiatry was also neither invented by nor originally dominated by Jews. The term psychiatry was coined by a German, Johann Christian Reil, and the major formative figure in psychiatry before Freud was Emil Kraepelin, also a German.

  154. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 17, 2012 - 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Roy Childs in the 80s repudiated his criticism of Rand and disavowed anarchism. The problem is there has to be some entity with enforcement rights against criminals and Rothbard’s private insurance companies under anarcho-capitalism would devolve into governments and competing governments at that.
    Which means a competition in force and civil war.

  155. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 17, 2012 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    You are assigning presumptions which I did not make. This makes an intelligent exchange of ideas very difficult. I am much too busy right now to play a game of gotcha or to enter into a legalistic argument on the “well know facts” as laid down by the psychiatric profession. Merry Christmas D.K.

  156. December 17, 2012 - 11:55 am | Permalink

    when jews switch off the internet, print will still be aroud, as it has been for thousands of yrs.

  157. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 17, 2012 - 5:04 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: When you’ve got the tiger by the tail, wisdom suggests a tight grip.

  158. tombarnes's Gravatar tombarnes
    December 17, 2012 - 5:02 am | Permalink

    Here, on Youtube, Mike Wallace seems to acknowledge at .18 of this clip, that Jewish people are not white.

  159. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    December 17, 2012 - 3:26 am | Permalink

    I have no doubt that the election was a fraud. Polling had Romney up two points and I believe that he even had a transition team in place.
    The anti-white hate is all over the net. I just got lectured by an idiot black about how his people “built this country.” Ironically, I just recently read Thomas Sowell’s work describing precisely how little slavery actually benefited the economy. It’s rather surprising, but the cost of owning slaves was very high, and they naturally sought to avoid work as much as possible. The idea that blacks built this country is laughable. But the Jews have trained the blacks and browns to hate us and resent us. I could go on for hours about what it’s like to be a white minority in California, and the daily dangers I have to face. It’s inconceivable to me that our leaders allowed this to happen. If white leaders fail to act, they are going to go down with the ship.
    Farrakan gave a gloating sermon about how bad we must feel, now that the land we took from the Native Americans is being taken away from us. The insinuation, of course, is that we have no moral claims at all, that we must simply roll over and die. Obviously, he doesn’t know white people too well. The few of us who understand what is happening are barely able to keep from doing violence. Wait till the numbers explode and whites REACT in mass. No doubt the government run by Jews has a plan B in mind, with re-education centers, etc., if indeed the SHTF. To me, it would make more sense for the stupid Jews to back off and stop the flood gates of third worlders while we can still salvage the country for everybody concerned. I can tell you with absolute certainty that the blacks and browns I work with would NOT/could NOT run this country the way that we have. Their individual cultures are totally dysfunctional. I keep asking myself, why would the Jews want this country to be like Mexico or South Africa? Truly, their hatred of white Christians seems to exceed their own need for self preservation.

  160. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 17, 2012 - 3:16 am | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza: Roy Childs’ succinct critique of Randism has stood the test of time.

  161. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    December 17, 2012 - 12:42 am | Permalink

    @Floda: It seems there is a disproportionate number of people of Orthodox background here…

  162. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 17, 2012 - 12:22 am | Permalink

    @sanjay: Second that. I’d like to see future works release via internet under Creative Commons, with the parallel paper pay version for gifts/goodwill. The Holocaust revisionists embrace this model, and they’ve punched well above their puny weight thanks in part to good distribution. Giving stuff away creates goodwill and builds a constituency more rapidly.

  163. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    December 16, 2012 - 11:41 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: “arthurdecco, perhaps you will ultimately be proven correct.”

    Bobby, I have already been proven to be correct. Where have you been for the past 12 years?!?

    It’s times like this – when I read the words typed by someone who considers themselves informed on a site like this devoted to the interests of white Europeans – that I despair.

    American elections are fraudulent! They’re fake! They do not remotely reflect the will of the people! Machines change votes to reflect the will of their developers and they have been doing it with increased success since 2000! If that wasn’t true, Ron Paul would now be president, (as much as that fact makes me shudder too!)

    For you to grudgingly admit that there might be a “possibility” of fraud in your election process irritates me beyond belief. The facts that prove it have been public since just after the first Bush (s)election, fer crissakes!

    What is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG with you people?!? Are you that propagandized that you feel it necessary to deny the undeniable facts? Go along to get along?!?!

    What would happen to you if you had to admit that every institution in your pathetic, psychotic country has been compromised and deliberately destroyed by the enemies of real liberty? Would your head explode?

    Then so be it. Because they have been. Your profoundly embarrassing ignorance is proof enough of that.

  164. December 16, 2012 - 11:25 pm | Permalink

    I wanted to buy 15 copies of cultural insurrections as Christmas present for friends and relatives, but there are not enough copies at Amazon and prices are way out of proportion.

    I hope some publisher can help KMac in publishing bargain priced copies (<$10), so we can gift it to others.

    Of course I will be giving other gifts as well, but just wanted to vent it here.

  165. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    December 16, 2012 - 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Szasz did discuss the brain and chemistry. He just said, if they are whacked- this is not mental illness- it calls for a medical (physical) diagnosis. I say it is mental illness- that being anything blocking reason and clear thought, including genetic, structural malformation, bad diet, drugs, poisoning, etc.

    Objectivists need to study up on identical twins who were separated early in life. btw Greg Johnson had a real go-round with some Objectivists on the genetic matter [2001]. Very interesting reading:

    Everyone should take the world’s hardest IQ test (OMNI magazine, April 1985) Get one right of 48 and your IQ is already up to 122. . .

  166. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 16, 2012 - 8:33 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    ‘But psychiatry does have some reason to exist.’
    So MDs Cohen and Shapiro can get richer.

  167. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 16, 2012 - 8:32 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Is it too late for UK? USA?

  168. December 16, 2012 - 7:15 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    its part of their culture. sorry i cant point you to a book.
    it will be a good investigation topic though.
    @Mickey Meadows:
    the main problem is media control. 3rd position means nothing.
    jews (and crypto-jews) will be able to disrupt, confuse, mislead, so long as they lurk behind TV and radio.

  169. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 16, 2012 - 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Szasz was trained as a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst but rejected both the fraudulent talking remedy of psychoanalysis and pre-1980 psychiatry and rejected its medical pretensions.
    He is very skeptical of the whole concept of addiction too.
    No one denies that various things can effect the brain including brain destroying psychoactive drugs, alcohol, caffeine and brain strokes as well as any organic disease.
    This has nothing to with ‘mental illness’ or the ‘mind’ which are both invented human concepts.
    Again I refer readers to The Meaning of Mind:Language, Morality and Neuroscience by Thomas Szasz.
    No you are reduced to claiming that nonexistent diseases of the mind are really physical illnesses. Talk about circular reasoning !
    Yes, I know many people with advanced degrees who neither read or think straight when it comes to something they disagree with. Academics are the very worst in this regard.
    I’m unimpressed with your touted credentials.
    Szasz has long repudiated the clinician role which is why he long ago gave up practicing psychiatry and psychotherapy,
    which he regards as talking & rhetoric and not clinical medicine.
    There have no advances in psychiatry because the very premise of mental or mind illness is flawed. It is precisely in response to Szasz’s thorough debunking of the false medical claims of psychiatry that they have become full time drug pushers as a branch of Big Pharma. But this has as little to do with real medicine as is psychoanalysis. By the way Freud was a big believer in both rhetorical cures and coercive physical measures including lobotomies and electro shock.
    There is no anomaly here, it’s part and parcel of the same fraud.
    Your pedantic, condescending assertions were unnecessary and taught me absolutely nothing new.
    When you feel you have to cite your IQ as an argument from authority (a logical fallacy as Aristotle first noted) you know you have lost the argument.
    Hadding, Szasz is not an anti-psychiatrist and has written a book on same exposing Laing & others. It’s the other side of the same debased. Look it up on Amazon or Abe Books, etc.
    Antipsychiatry is the first word in the title.
    Yes, it does exist for a reason, power & control by the shrinks, role play & escape from responsibility by the ‘patients.’

  170. December 16, 2012 - 6:08 pm | Permalink

    I think Anti-Psychiatry (Szasz, Laing) has some merits, insofar as there is a tendency to try to answer every problem with a (lucrative) drug-prescription instead of considering what the person’s situation is and working out the problem. There seems to be way too much eagerness for prescribing drugs in all fields of medicine. But psychiatry does have some reason to exist.

  171. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 16, 2012 - 4:31 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    Do you even know with which one of us you are arguing, at any given moment, Marcy?!?

    In the first place, Dr. Szasz was a medical doctor who became a classically trained Freudian psychoanalyst– indeed, a virtual stereotype of the old-time alienist– before becoming a True non-Believer. He had clinical experience, as does any psychotherapist– whether a Freudian or non-Freudian, medical doctor or mere counselor. “Clinical” does not mean, in this context, scientific experiments; it means the “treating” of patients or “clients.” All psychotherapists have clinical experience– it is literally what they do for a living (along with penning oxymoronic “self-help” books).

    I did not say what you say I said– which would have merely regurgitated your own canard that psychiatry claims that mental illness is merely an illness “in one’s mind.” I said it was a physical illness “that alters one’s thought patterns and behavior.” Your inability to grasp the point is telling. Many mental illnesses already are readily associated with brain abnormalities, both organic and functional, that have been medically established. Your ignorance of those medical advances in neurology and psychiatry does not obviate them.

    Do you think that alcohol is a drug, Marcy? Do you suppose that alcohol intoxication is capable of “alter[ing] one’s thought patterns and behavior,” at all? If so, why do you suppose that psychoactive chemical compounds formed inside of the brain itself are unable to do likewise?

    Now, do you really suppose that I earned all four of my university degrees, my Phi Beta Kappa key, my Psi Chi membership, and my license to practice law, without being able to read and think straight, Marcy? I get in trouble, here, whenever I dare to cite my own IQ in defense against a self-styled savant like you, Marcy; but, do feel free to cite your own for us, so that we all may compare your native genius to my own intellectual shortcomings. Just make sure that it is an adult, deviation-IQ measurement, from a reputable source, and not a ratio IQ that you scored as a precocious ten-year-old prodigy. (Even one of my own brothers managed to score a 156 on one of those– so you can see how absolutely worthless those IQ scores are, decades later!)

  172. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 16, 2012 - 3:30 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    With all due respect, Marcy, you do not know what the hell you are talking about! You sound like a Scientology cult member. You presumably believe that levels of body chemicals can be out of whack, such as blood-sugar levels in diabetics, and that those conditions can be the result of either genetic or congenital conditions, rather than simply lifestyle choices, as with Type-1 (juvenile) diabetes. Yet, you do not believe, apparently, that the same can be true of the most important, most energy-hungry, and most chemically saturated organ in the human body– the human brain. Dr. Szasz contention that, for instance, schizophrenics are merely acting as they care to act, and that their unconventional choices are disapproved of by conventional society, which therefore maliciously labels those free-thinking schizophrenics as mentally ill, when there really is no such thing, is absurd both on its face and based on the clinical and scientific evidence adduced over generations of study. No environmental explanation can plausibly account, either, for the ways in which those with bipolar disorder (manic depression) cycle through their phases, from the troughs of depression to the crests of euphoria, based on what actually is happening objectively to them in their lives, at any given moment. It takes a true believer in Dr. Szasz’s anti-psychiatry (dis)belief system, or a cultist of the variety found in Scientology, to believe that inappropriate blood-sugar levels can cause severe physical illness, up to and including death, but that inappropriate levels of psychoactive chemicals, like lithium salts, cannot have any physical effects on the brain that could possibly translate into psychopathology. What you consider to be your unfettered Objectivist free will, Marcy, is all caused by a chemical complex in your brain. Whether our apparently free wills are able to do anything at all to direct that complex, rather than merely react to it, remains very much an open scientific question, just as it remains an open question in philosophical debates. Your desire to declare yourself superior to your own complex bodily functions does not make it so. I do not wish you or yours ill health, just to prove the point; but, those of you of Jewish descent are at elevated risks of any number of brain diseases, including severe mental illnesses, as an evolutionary trade-off for your elevated levels of intelligence. If high IQs came for free, evolutionarily speaking, every breeding pool would have them. By the way, psychoactive drugs are not administered to cure mental illnesses; they merely seek to regulate it, just as insulin injections regulate blood-sugar levels in diabetics. Finally, the notion that Freudian myths are dead and buried would be laughable, if it were not so tragically untrue. The vast majority of mental-health practitioners are not psychiatrists, and most such practitioners may not, therefore, prescribe drugs. They instead rely on the same old “talking cure” psychotherapeutic voodoo that began with Freud and his cult. That cult has been thoroughly institutionalized in Western societies, especially in the United States– which is why most political reeducation in the United States, these days, goes under the euphemisms of “therapy” or “sensitivity training.”

  173. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 16, 2012 - 2:35 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I did not prevent nor prohibit you, or anyone else, from asking that, or any other, question, Alice. I merely answered the question, and contradicted its presumption that bad behavior presupposes bad parenting of the person behaving badly, along with your apparent prescription than anyone with a mentally challenged child– be he autistic or schizophrenic– should be barred from teaching, based on some inscrutable assumption that such a child not only presents an insufferable risk of becoming a mass murderer, at some point, but that any such homicidal incident is likely to be directed against the hapless students of the unfortunate parent’s own school. All of those presumptions and assumptions are patently fallacious. Can anyone here name another mass school shooting that was carried out either by one of its own teachers’ child or by a gunmen with autism or schizophrenia– let alone fitting both of those criteria? Most such school shootings have been carried out by current students who were being perpetually bullied for being misfits.

  174. me's Gravatar me
    December 16, 2012 - 2:35 pm | Permalink

    One year I visited New York, and went to see a beautiful creche at the Metropolitan Museum of Art
    I am not Catholic, but I found the imagery just beautiful (I suppose our resident village idiot, Tom, would raise some objection to it). I stood there watching it for some time. Everyone who saw it was stunned by its beauty: Asians, Indians, and of course Europeans and Americans of all stripes.
    I only heard two hostile comments the hour I was standing there in awe. Both were from Jews. One saying it didn’t belong in the museum, another loudly making lewd comments and trying to literally pervert the nativity story.
    I am sure there were many jews who found the creche beautiful. Certainly all jews don’t think this way – but it was only jews who made disparaging remarks.
    I don’t understand how or why they have such incredible hatred in their hearts.

  175. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 16, 2012 - 2:14 pm | Permalink

    There is nothing scientific or cutting edge about the largely Jewish psychiatric racket, Mickey.
    Your report of your conversation with Szasz reveals that you don’t even understand his views.
    He didn’t believe there was anything clinical about psychiatry or its diagnoses. So how could he give you a clinical refutation of same ?
    You robotically reiterate that a ‘mental illness’ is an illness in one’s mind which begs the question since that very assumption is what is being argued here. You go on to assert without any evidence that it is also a physical illness without providing any argument or proof whatsoever !
    An amazing performance ! You then claim to be skeptical of psychiatry while believing in its foundational base.
    Then you accuse me of being an ideologue with a twisted morality while you unthinkingly endorse the greatest Jewish racket extant.
    I rest my case and urge people to read Szasz directly instead of relying on people who can neither read or think straight.

  176. Catiline's Gravatar Catiline
    December 16, 2012 - 12:55 pm | Permalink

    I rember reading the now defunct Judicial Inc site a while back about Jewish bureaucrats in the Ed Dept using their position to cancel govt loans to Jewish students. According to the article easy access to govt computers allows them to do this.

    JI was a checkered site so I’m not sure how much credence to give to this story. It hardly seems implausible though.

    Anybody have any info on this topic?

  177. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 16, 2012 - 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Would you please expand on white students making themselves targets? How and why?

  178. Axon's Gravatar Axon
    December 16, 2012 - 12:15 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    I don’t know these specific cases. However I don’t doubt the veracity of these (or similar) conversions any more than I doubt the falseness of others…

    Arrogance is vanity & thus a sin, or at least a destructive personality trait (is there a difference?) To me arrogance arises out of a deep insecurity about ones beliefs – a way to compensate perhaps? On the other hand true humility (by which I mean to exclude insecurity or neurosis mistaken as such) arises from the calm surety that truth provides.

    Perhaps I madden, but more & more it seems that the very graph of history seems to correlate with the prevailing ‘myth’ of the age. They say art reflects life & life reflects art – which seems reasonable enough in its causal aspect. Less remarked upon, however, is that myth reflects life if we embrace truth, but life reflects myth if we live in falsity.

  179. Molly's Gravatar Molly
    December 16, 2012 - 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of “our illusory American meritocracy”, from my experience with gifted students, I’m convinced that (non-Jew) White students who excel make themselves targets for ill treatment by school administrators and teachers.

  180. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    December 16, 2012 - 10:14 am | Permalink

    For some that may indeed be the case. Do you know the case of Roi Tov (see his website), an Israeli who converted to Christianity and is highly critical of Jewish behavior? Then there is the case of Vanunu, the Israeli who disclosed Israel’s nuclear arms project. He too converted to Christianity. But there is of course also a secular way to humbleness and sanity. Major point is to get rid of Jewish arrogance and develop a genuine concern for humanity.

  181. Axon's Gravatar Axon
    December 16, 2012 - 9:54 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    The root cause of the Jewish incapacity to understand anti-Semitism is arrogance and its remedy is humbleness.

    IOW – symbolically (if not theologically – is there a difference?) accept Christ?

  182. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 16, 2012 - 9:36 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    At the time I wrote the comment you object to, the media was reporting that she was the kindergarten teacher. I did not intend to suggest that bad parenting causes mental illness. I do suggest that the way in which anyone is reared does affect the way in which all mental states will manifest in actions.

    I tend to be very skeptical when anyone from any group insists that some questions cannot even be raised.

  183. European's Gravatar European
    December 16, 2012 - 7:03 am | Permalink


    Karlfried, what you are describing is an inborn sentiment after living and breathing together life, death, destruction and survival. This inner knowing of kinship, thru a smile, a gesture etc. developed after many generations in your, and my culture does not exist here in the US, and if it does, it is of a different nature and lacks depth, cohesion/glue elements etc. Don’t be discouraged if you will find no understanding here at times. Muse and Gemuetlichkeit is also pretty much none-existent here, but some “may” have an inkling from the emotional sentiment you express yourself. Perhaps a kindness extented to everyone here, and least to your own tribe.
    Frohe Weihnachten.

  184. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 16, 2012 - 6:48 am | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    You reject cutting edge science because it contradicts the ideology of scatz. This is typical of your people. Putting ideology and twisted morality ahead even of hard scientific evidence.

  185. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 16, 2012 - 6:43 am | Permalink

    UK Anti-immigratioin party now polling in 3rd place

  186. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 16, 2012 - 4:23 am | Permalink

    Ban knives to thwart copycats.

  187. December 16, 2012 - 3:51 am | Permalink

    A funny thing to me is how the mass-media are perfectly capable of self-imposing news-blackouts on anti-White violent crime and on Ron Paul’s political campaign, but random mass-shootings? Gotta give extensive coverage to those, not just mentioning it in regular newscasts, not even just giving a brief news update, but canceling all regular programming to repeat unverified (and often inaccurate) initial reports ad nauseam, even though copycat shootings are the usual, predictable result.

  188. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 16, 2012 - 1:35 am | Permalink

    Richard, thanks for sharing your intelligent observations. It’s okay to put quotes around “mental illness” because the concept is absurd.
    However the many problems of life are very real and we have to think through so we can act intelligently to alleviate them.
    They are not medical problems in themselves. The real medical problems that come up in life are very real and we don’t solve them by talking or brain destroying drugs or electroshock or being imprisoned when we have not committed a crime or being excused for ‘insanity’ when we have. Or having part of our brain cut out.
    It sounds like you have made a noble effort to deal with your situation and I commend you. Wish there were more like you.

    DK, that old Freudian nonsense is passe now. The new psychiatric lie is that it’s all a chemical imbalance in the brain and genetic and cured by addiction to psychiatric drugs. Just an old fallacy in new clothes. Now the parents are not responsible for anything which is as stupid a premise as the old exclusive parental blaming.
    Big Pharma runs psychiatry today. MD psychiatrists do very little talking, they are drug pushers.

  189. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 16, 2012 - 1:20 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I once saw a documentary on PBS (I think it was) in which an orthodox Freudian psychoanalyst tried to explain how parents’ supposedly differential treatment of identical twins led to one’s becoming schizophrenic, as a young adult, while the other was normal. I wished that I could have reached through the screen and strangled the [EXPLETIVE DELETED] woman!

  190. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 16, 2012 - 1:10 am | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    A mental illness is not an illness that is only in one’s mind; it is an illness– thus, physical in nature– that alters one’s thought patterns and behavior. The brain controls all of one’s thoughts and actions; any number of things, besides organic brain damage, can cause such psychopathology– whether mild or severe, chronic or acute.

    I have read several of Dr. Szasz’s books, and even saw him speak at one of my alma maters, during a series on psychiatry and the law, which I took for CLE credit, during my misspent lawyering days. I asked Dr. Szasz whether he had any clinical basis for one of his claims, other than his own personal beliefs. I was dumbstruck when he readily admitting that he did not– as if his simply believing it were scientific proof in itself!

    I am not a believer in much of what passes for psychiatry and psychology. The real goal of the professions of mental health is to turn everyone into a patient, much as priests rely on all of us being sinners. That does not make mental illness itself, as a concept, a myth– even though many things in the DSM are merely bald attempts to medicalize anti-social, or even simply sub-optimal, behavior and thought patterns. Some of the diagnoses are outright fraudulent and iatrogenic– e.g., Dissociative Identity Disorder (“multiple personalities,” a la ‘Eve’ and ‘Sybil’).

  191. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 16, 2012 - 1:10 am | Permalink

    @Ignorent Miscegenators:Re: your question about race-driven societal structure:

  192. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 16, 2012 - 12:52 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    And don’t forget Freudian psychology, which traumatized millions of mothers with lifelong guilt. Freud is to psychology what Marx is to economics. And the technique is similar. A blizzard of pseudo-scientific terminology, unfalsifiable, and not based on evidence.

  193. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 16, 2012 - 12:45 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:


    “At least one parent said Lanza’s mother was a substitute teacher at the school. But her name did not appear on a staff list. And the official said investigators were unable to establish any connection so far between her and the school.”

    The modern notion that psychopathology is caused largely by bad parenting is a Jewish canard that is as worthless as the old religious one that held that it was caused by literal demon possession! The notion that what Adam Lanza did was likely the result of how he was parented in his affluent household is about as likely as my blue-collar upbringing’s being responsible for my inability to run a four-minute mile.

  194. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    December 15, 2012 - 11:53 pm | Permalink
  195. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    December 15, 2012 - 10:00 pm | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: Oh yes, Jews actually believe that their opinions are needed and wanted everywhere they go. And many really are insane. I’ve known many Jews and have collected many strange “everyone needs us Jews” anecdotes. One local Jew ran for city council five times in a row using the slogan that “the future of (our village) is a stake!” He resembled a grub with a shirt and tie. But he finally won after 16 years when he was unopposed in a special election. He never took office because the council found out he had changed his name to cover up multiple fraud convictions in another state. My point is that I’ve seen these personality traits in them over and over. They crave power and never see themselves in any other role than managing others. And they’re persistent. They have patience and enjoy playing games of power and subservience. Yes I think many of them are clinically insane which is probably why they network so well finding acceptance only with others like themselves. Wish others could see this sydrome for what it is.

  196. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 15, 2012 - 9:52 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    I appreciate the clarification, although I still don’t really understand what you’re saying. And maybe that’s okay.

    Maybe on some level I do understand it.

    Anyway, I like that you’re thinking about these issues and caring enough to share your thoughts.

    @Marcy Fleming:

    I’ve never read Thomas Szasz’s books, but I appreciate that you are skeptical about mental illness and the big business that has been built around it. I’m tempted to put that term (mental illness) in quotes, but then it might sound like I’m being a jerk. The reason I’d like to put it in quotes is because I think it’s over-used and misused and… some people take advantage of that label and frame themselves as victims and use it as an excuse to get special, undeserved treatment.

    And from what I’ve seen, many people who have mental problems were not relatively good people. Eventually their immoral actions/values/attitudes caught up with them. That seems clear to me, although it can sound harsh. (I don’t assume that’s the case for all people with serious mental problems.)

    I used to have serious mental problems, but I’m so much better now. I think mental suffering (and different kinds of complex psychological problems) is very common in our messed up society/culture.

    I still suffer, but I don’t ignore it when it comes into my life. Now, instead of trying to run away from it, I allow it to exist and be seen. In the past I would use different things to try to escape — tv, alcohol and other stuff, music, porn…

    Our society has a smiley face on the outside, but so much serious suffering on the inside. And we seem to be in a vicious cycle, trying to find relief in things that are only causing more suffering.

  197. Alexander's Gravatar Alexander
    December 15, 2012 - 9:25 pm | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas:
    I wish to associate myself with the comments made by Mary Thomas.

  198. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    December 15, 2012 - 9:15 pm | Permalink

    A post above mentions the fact that Jews are never wrong. They are hardwired to consider themselves to be perfect and above reproach. They are the chosen ones, the light of the nations, and they truly believe that they DESERVE to run the show and lord their power over us. Any objection to their supremacy is deemed psychopathology! But let me tell you a little secret here….they are stark raving NUTS. We’re talking about ego inflation that is beyond our understanding, beyond anything that we deal with in our normal lives. We simply do not THINK the way they do, and THAT is the crux of the matter. Until we start to think the way they do, using cohesive group strategies and ingroup/outgroup thinking, we are doomed. This was Hitler’s conclusion, but he wasn’t alone. Lindbergh, Ford, Churchill, Patton, Graham, Nixon, etc., a very looooooooooooooong list of gentile leaders have understood the danger of the Jews to western civilization. “The Jew cries out in pain even as he strikes you. “

  199. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 15, 2012 - 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Mickey, that is not true about imaging detecting mental pathology. It can only detect actual organic brain pathology or disease. You are confusing mind, which doesn’t physically exist, with the brain. Mind is simply a term we invent to describe our thoughts and our self conversations.
    See The Meaning Of Mind:Language, Morality, And Neuroscience by Dr. Thomas Szasz.
    There are no mental diseases or mental illnesses. All real illnesses are physical, like mental retardation.
    Szasz has debunked the myth of schizophrenia and the rest of the psychiatric fraud including electro shock treatment, prefrontal lobotomies, involuntary commitment, the insanity defense and the brain damaging psychiatric drugs.
    Criminal will do this as well as the pretentious ‘psychopathological’ label. All criminals have distorted thinking processes but they are not medical illnesses but immoral behavior due to faulty thinking or lack of. Some crimes are much more serious than others and those have been given the dubious psycho labels which are no more scientific than the witchcraft diagnosis of medieval times.
    The whole DSM is a pile of literal nonsense. They removed neurosis after using it in psychiatry for a century, they removed homosexuality as a disease along with transvestism
    and now homophobia is a new disease according to the DSM.
    Rather than me reinventing the wheel here just go to his work.
    I never used the vague words about being protected from initiation of harm. That’s way too sloppy. Initiation of physical force is what Rand used. Including fraud.
    Since I’m not a supporter of Israeli policies your question is best directed to someone who is.
    Rand spoke a very few hundred words at most on Israel compared the millions of words she wrote and spoke on her philosophy. She was not informed on Israel and she only spoke in her final years. Most Americans share her erroneous views in this area. But to judge her on this would be like judging Einstein’s relativity theory on the basis of his Communism or Keynes’ economic theory on the basis of his homosexuality.

  200. bluegrass's Gravatar bluegrass
    December 15, 2012 - 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Kevin MacDonald for this article. You have an uncanny ability to explain and simplify this web of mirrors and lies, so pro-Whites know precisely what we face as we move forward.

    I was talking to politics a friend of mine today, and I thought I said something fairly clever in the exchange.

    He asked me why I always bring up Jews and Jewish power, to which I replied: “not talking about Jewish power in modern America is like trying to talk politics in medieval England without ever mentioning the King.”

  201. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 15, 2012 - 7:44 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    It seems far too early to decide on a diagnosis. All we know at this point is that she has reared an very troubled child, did not take adequate steps to ensure that he did not have access to guns nor insure that he received the help he needed. That raises enough doubt for me to wonder.

    I do not view teaching as a right. It is a position of great responsibility which is best done by intelligent, well adjusted, non-stressed people. If people are to hand over their precious child, who is entirely vulnerable, both physically and emotionally, we should look at teaching applicants seriously.

    Nor am I persuaded that mental illness renders parenting irrelevant. There is a big difference between people who have a psychotic break and go chasing rainbows and those who murder little kids.

    I may have spoken somewhat off the cuff. I see our casual disregard for the quality of teachers, especially of the very young, as a great and terrible danger. Every other question in the book will be asked, why not mine?

  202. December 15, 2012 - 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Too all of you anti-union types out there, this essay is exactly one of the core reasons unions exist. They understand that “merit” is a code word for “favourite” or “brown noser”. Admittedly, the union seniority principal does not directly apply to students applying to enter universities, but it applies to all of those of mediocrity who benefit from the meritocracy that currently exists.

  203. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 15, 2012 - 6:33 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    simplified to a sentence. For every instance/context they possess the power to harm us…then we will need an instance/context of power specifically able to send an answer

  204. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 15, 2012 - 6:27 pm | Permalink


    Hi Kalfried/Richard,

    What is Power is really something we all need to be spending a lot of time thinking about. Quality time too…our best thinking.
    IMHO power is very much like ‘energy’ in the sense it comes in many many forms…context dependent forms. In context of human relations power needs a context of ‘to do what’, and it is always – always – relative. Relative to the sum of all other human forces wanting to act in that space as well.

    There are many forms of power that could help us. But…because we have an enemy who already controls the space we need to control, our calculations of what power is, and how much we have of it, can be roughly simplified by simply using that rule that power is relative. By looking at the power the other party would have to act against anything we might want to do.

    What is their infrastructure of power? In every context they have a concentration of power that is also a context in which we want to do something, or is capable of exerting influence over some other context in which we want to do somehting. Well..there you will find another context of power – that also defines what that power will have to be – that we will need to acquire.
    That’s just stating the obvious, when you think about it.

  205. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 15, 2012 - 6:07 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    A large fraction of psycopathy is something that can be seen with brain imaging technology. It’s not psychobabble. Nor necessarily criminal. It’s just that mostly it has been incarcerated psychopaths we’ve been able to study. There are many other criminals who are not psychopaths so that isn’t a suitable word.

    You suggest the part about initiation of harm. I thought you would.

    The converse is the idea about self defense. But these distinctions are conceptual plasticine. What is self-defense? Is Israel defending itself with those pre-emptive strikes? What if I want to attack someone but want it to be self defense so do something that I know will provoke a reaction? Or what if I just lie and say that person intended to do harm? In the end it comes down to who has the connections, who controls the means of information and who pulls the strings.

    The big excuse of the psychopathic abuser, for example, is that the other person was ‘asking for it’. Or that the other person is just blaming other people for their own failings. The psychopath is brilliant at projection and compartmentalization and rationalization. You want self-defense…no problem…it’s just a verbalization away.

    The way Rand talks about this….and then uses it to her advantage…the way she is blind to the higher human expressions, but vividly sees the emotional ‘primary colours’. The way she proposes concepts like self-defense that are so maleable as to be worthless. This is all part of why, not part of why not.

  206. December 15, 2012 - 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Hi Richard. You could be correct but my experience of Jews, and I have a huge amount both personally and on my blog, suggests that most do not see that their behaviour can give rise to justifiable resentment.

    In fact it’s not just now. I’ve spent a lot of time researching the history of anti-Semitism and found that one single characteristic prvailed all through. Pogroms and expulsions were always and totally the fault of the goyim. The finely tuned persecution complex has thus been honed over centuries.

  207. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 15, 2012 - 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Mickey, she opposes the initiation of physical force in all forms including fraud, and she believes that each person is an end in his or her self. Exactly the opposite of what is labeled psychopath though I think the word criminal is sufficient and we can ignore the psychiatric garbage terminology, largely of Jewish origin.
    I invite readers to simply read the 60 page speech This Is John Galt Speaking in Atlas Shrugged. If that doesn’t convince them it’s hopeless to continue the conversation.

  208. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 15, 2012 - 4:32 pm | Permalink


    A part of me is hesitant to write another comment, but I feel like I have to share something that I think can be… more useful and helpful than I’m able to describe in words.

    And it’s related to perspective, which I mentioned in my comment yesterday, the one with the link to the TED talk on YouTube.

    Anyway, here’s the “something” that I want to share:

    Integral Theory

    Have others heard of it? It’s a kind of movement or way of looking at the world.

    It is supposedly a theory of everything. Literally every thing. Every single thing. Ever.

    And it claims to make sense and organize… everything.

    Ken Wilber is probably the main person associated with Integral Theory. And although I’m not a well-read person, I am familiar with some of his writing and general ideas. In my opinion he seems sort of over-rated and arrogant. (I see arrogance inside myself, so I’m not claiming to be better than him in that area…) I think what concerns me is that the people around him seem to sort of worship him.

    But some of his ideas (or ideas that are attributed to him or associated with Integral Theory) seem very helpful for any pro-White movement.

    There are some easy-to-find introductions to Integral Theory on the internet. Some are in videos on YouTube, and some are text. If anyone is interested in it, there is a lot of freely available information on it. Tons.

    A lot of people on T.O.O. seem brilliant and full of knowledge. (Smarter than me…) And I think Integral Theory can help people become even greater.

  209. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 15, 2012 - 4:25 pm | Permalink

    @Sandman: Sweden is a lost cause. When I was a young kid in grammar school, I had to do a report on Sweden, and I kind of thought how neat a place it seemed to me. What I have read in the last ten years alone regarding Sweden, is depressing, to say the least.

  210. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 15, 2012 - 4:22 pm | Permalink

    @arthurdecco: arthurdecco, perhaps you will ultimately be proven correct. Having expressed my belief on the millions of Americans that I think vote in all kinds of misguided and illogical ways, It doesn’t stretch my imagination much, to think that it’s all rigged anyway. When I read about all the spying on Americans, all the intrusiveness of the State and Central governments, it’s only a small step to rigging voting machines.

  211. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    December 15, 2012 - 4:12 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    …Concentrate on getting some power. Start in your life. If you still have some steam …some time left…then concentrate on getting rich. Don’t worry too much how….you’ve got a people to save…so there’s a lot of latitude. Go for it. Get some power…

    I read since February 2012 a similar German webblog and since some weeks the Occidental Observer. The informations are not completely new for me, there are similar “rumours” within the people in my country, but this rumours are vague. — Now, by these webblogs, I have got the clear information about what is going on. What can we do? I have come to the same point as you: Every one of us must use all abilities that he has in order to save our own race. And a very usefull way is to be successfull in the “job” (=Beruf) and with the family and in society.
    You express it as “power” and “rich”. In my country it is “tough” and “be a normal, well accepted member of the middle-class”. In my country the middle-class goes from the worker to the professor. The highest reputation you can get in Germany: “That is a decent/orderly family”. That means, that one of them can marry my/your daughter. “Brilliant” or “rich” are also positive reputations, but to a far lesser extent.
    In think that the common thing between your and my saying is: “Be successful and be a straight-forward-tye, accepted by your countrymen. Then your word will have much more penetrating power (Durchschlagskraft).” — I hope that I have understood that what you did say.

  212. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 15, 2012 - 3:28 pm | Permalink


    “these south Asian women cavort with Asian “British” gangs and aggressively act as intermediaries to ensnare white girls into the prostitution/drugs underworld. ”

    Where can I find out more about this?

  213. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    December 15, 2012 - 3:26 pm | Permalink

    The Jewish dominated school system in America always seeks to remove genuine standards of excellence and reward mediocrity so they can snuff out any budding leadership class which might defend their race and country. Hense, “kill the best of the Gentiles.” Some countries like Sweden are experimenting with even more bizzare things such as gender reversal in some public schools. This was reported earlier this year by mainstream sources. Male children are encouraged to take on feminine roles and girls are encouraged to be agressive. So this is a very Jewish tactic namely to go after the most vulnerable parts of society and pervert it beyond recognition or hope. Why don’t they do this in Israel or Asian countries? Such a mystery.

  214. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 15, 2012 - 3:20 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    It is unlikely that upbringing had any appreciable role to play in Adam Lanza’s becoming a mass murderer, Alice. Are you thinking that any teacher who has an autistic child should be fired, and then barred from teaching thereafter, because of some supposedly high likelihood that an autistic child will go on such a rampage? I do not know why Nancy Lanza felt the need for such an arsenal, living in what appears to be a very White, upper-middle class part of Connecticut; but, whatever need she felt surely could have been balanced against the fact that she had a son living with her who was mentally unwell, and who was prone to outbursts, as a result.

  215. December 15, 2012 - 3:16 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    Chinese and most Indians are experts in stealing technology while masquerading as originalists.

    they have a huge chip on their shoulder. While they hate each other in Asia, they band together against Whites in Western countries.

    I resent how they are trashing our ancestral land. these south Asian women cavort with Asian “British” gangs and aggressively act as intermediaries to ensnare white girls into the prostitution/drugs underworld.

    We need a modern charles martel who will flush out this frothing sewage ruthlessly.
    good point. we need a greater understanding of crypto-judaism, a field sorely lacking in public consciousness.

  216. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 15, 2012 - 3:10 pm | Permalink

    @CT shooter Adam Lanza Jewish ?:

    Lanza is an Italian surname. The maternal grandmother’s name is Hanson. A couple of Jewish kids, however, go out of their way to comment on the killer; therefore, he must be Jewish. What brilliance…!

  217. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 15, 2012 - 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Europeans and Asians have different ideas about what constitutes “performance,” just like they have different, genetically/culturally-defined attitudes towards government, friendship, society, etc.

    A five-year-old Chinese kid can pull off a flawless Moonlight Sonata but what can he compose? Likewise the Chinese can build a perfect replica of an Austrian village–
    — but without the original model, what would they be capable of?

    I’m not one of those WN’s who believes that East Asians can only copy, but as a people they have a tendency to place more importance on technical perfection- and repeating that perfection as best they can, as often as they can- than expanding boundaries and exploring new forms.

    In many ways that’s a positive, as they know what works and what doesn’t, and they don’t seem to have the problems of entartete kunst that we have, but in other ways it’s a drawback, as they won’t reach the same heights Europeans do when we’re at our best.

    Same thing with IQ. Asians are, on average, smarter than us in the most basic sense. They have less idiots than we do, but they also have less geniuses. The society that places value on its best and brightest regardless of how well-off the inferior are will always be the more successful society. Our best are better than their best, and the same goes for the jews.

    Unfortunately the left wants to turn us in to an Asiatic society, crammed into tiny apartments and working highly specialized jobs in a global ant farm where the naturally superior are handicapped and the naturally inferior are elevated beyond their abilities. It’s a sad world they want to build.

  218. December 15, 2012 - 2:09 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    It’s East Asians…Orientals…who out perform Whites. South Asians have an average IQ of about 80….in South Asia. In America, because the higher social classes tend to end up there from South Asia….the average IQ is nearer 100.

    The average IQ of India compared to China is not terribly relevant, because the Indians that arrive here are a select group, mostly Brahmins as I understand. Furthermore, my point was not that they are brilliant.

    Education in the United States does not presuppose brilliant students. It is run in such a way that a person of very ordinary intelligence can get very good grades by working hard.

    My experience is that South-Asians and East-Asians alike tend to outperform Whites academically, for what appears to be the same reason. It’s not really because they are so brilliant.

    East-Asians also have a reputation for cheating which seems to be not wholly undeserved.

  219. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 15, 2012 - 2:07 pm | Permalink


    The Slavs were better at rooting out partisans and communist sympathizers than all-out combat. The Ukrainian SS Nightingale battalion is a good example: they were useful when it came to pacifying villages but when they were put in large-scale confrontations they ended up getting massacred.

  220. December 15, 2012 - 1:56 pm | Permalink

    It’s kind of funny how one guy makes a short one-sentence statement about Hitler and a lengthy exchange develops because the usual suspects just couldn’t let it pass. The anti-Hitlers are the ones responsible for most of the Hitler-talk on here.

    Myself, I prefer not to bore people by recapitulating the same pointless argument over and over.

  221. December 15, 2012 - 1:49 pm | Permalink


    Pascal, please contact me through the address on my blog.

  222. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 15, 2012 - 1:45 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:

    “Luke, anyone who could read Rand’s work would see it is exactly the opposite of what you label ‘psychopath.’”

    Marcy – so what facility would Rand’s highest most moral form of human possess that would refute the psychopath allegation? Don’t say morality itself, because psychopaths often exhibit similar [twisted] morality to Rand.

  223. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 15, 2012 - 1:39 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    I would say East Asians – or Orientals – are more honour based than South Asians – such as Indians. That nurse almost certainly killed herself because she was brutally bullied by the hospital management. Nothing about her suggests a psychology of someone who will go hang themselves because of a prank call. The hospital felt hugely embarassed and this would have gone right to the top. Probably the top man told some middle management grunt he expected ‘toughness’ which was duly and disproportionately/gratuitously dished out.
    That’s the only explanation that makes any sense. Hopefully it’ll come out too, in the not too distant future.

    By the by…something in the common lexicon of America tends to cause a fair bit of confusion. South and East Asians – two completely different races – tend to be thrown into the same bracket “Asian”.

    It’s East Asians…Orientals…who out perform Whites. South Asians have an average IQ of about 80….in South Asia. In America, because the higher social classes tend to end up there from South Asia….the average IQ is nearer 100.

    But go to a rice field in China…and you’ll find the average IQ is high.

    However….Europeans can’t be explained by high IQ alone. They evolved a creativity…and it’s that PLUS the IQ.

  224. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 15, 2012 - 1:19 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Hi Mickey

    You’ve been using the word “power” a lot, and I’m not sure what you mean by it. Maybe you’re referring to money and things like creating our own version of the mainstream media.

    I think we have a huge amount of power (or potential power) now, in the present moment. Although we’re not using it, or even trying to find it. It’s difficult (maybe impossible) to put it into a statistic, but I suspect we are doing less than 1% of what we could be doing. (And I’m not trying to exaggerate.) That is something I’ve given some thought, and it seems about right to me.

    Have you heard of Ray William Johnson?

    Most people haven’t. As far as I know, he’s not famous. He’s “just” a guy. But somehow he has managed to build a huge following on YouTube. He gets a million views per video. (He puts out a couple short videos per week, which I don’t watch.)

    That’s one example of how we can reach more White people. There are so many other ways to do it.

    There are many ways to reach many White people here and now, without waiting for a huge multi-million dollar donation from a pro-White billionaire. (I’m not assuming that that is what you’re suggesting, Mickey.)

    My comment here isn’t meant to be harsh or even a criticism toward anyone or the pro-White movement as a whole. Instead, I’m hoping to encourage others to… be open and curious about ways to reach people.

    (I really do believe that we’re doing less than 1% of what we could be doing…)

    For some reason, I think you (Mickey) might like that video that I included in my previous comment @Richard. The man giving the talk is English and… something about him makes me think you would like him and his ideas. I’m not asking you to watch an 18-minute video. That’s a lot to ask. But I think you’d like it.

    Does anyone here remember those 3D images that became popular in the 90’s?

    In order to see the 3D image, you have to sort of look “behind” the image. And then it pops out at you.

    Here’s an example:

    Maybe that’s a good metaphor for our power.

    It might be right in front of us, staring us in the face.

    Maybe we just have to step back and look at it in the right way.

  225. December 15, 2012 - 1:16 pm | Permalink


    Asians can work 24/7, become test taking champs and cream Whites in admissions.

    In my experience that is a reasonable characterization.

    Why do you think that Indian nurse that put through the call to Kate Middleton’s nurse killed herself? Omg! I made a mistake! I deserve to die! It is this cruelty in their culture and in their mentality that drives them to outperform Whites in those fields where natural brilliance can be offset through massive effort at memorization.

    I have a friend who is a technologist in Germany. He says that the Chinese steal a lot of technology. The Germans foil this by customarily putting some small error in the plan, which will be obvious to a German but which the Chinese, being weak in critical faculties, will have a hard time identifying.

  226. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 15, 2012 - 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Luke, anyone who could read Rand’s work would see it is exactly the opposite of what you label ‘psychopath.’ I don’t believe in psychiatry at all. It is a mostly Jewish racket but exposed in 30 books by a Jew, Thomas Szasz. Just as Rand exposed all the premises of Jewish statism.
    Taras, Hitler didn’t kill ‘millions of whites’ much less millions of Jews. Read Debating The Holocaust by Thomas Dalton, read Arthur Butz, Germar Rudolph, Carlo Mattogno, Walter Sanning, Jurgen Graf, Robert Faurisson, Paul Rassinier and several others. You just are into the Good War nonsense.
    The Allies killed many more than the Germans and they also started the war by their untenable pledge to Poland over disputed German territory. Those millions of Slavs killed were by the Soviets. There were already thirty million persons missing by the 1937 Soviet Census. They lost maybe 9 million in the war but so did the Germans and Japanese.
    Total Soviet murders were probably 62-80 million over their 74 years. Mao killed anywhere from 80-110 million in 27 years. Pol Pot killed half of Cambodia, 3 million, in three years. That’s true genocide.
    As a Jew I’m no Hitler fan but we have to stop recycling the lies.

  227. December 15, 2012 - 12:33 pm | Permalink

    CT shooter Adam Lanza Jewish ?

    Adam Lanza belonged to a technology [LAN gaming]club at Newtown High School…Jacob Wycoff also tweeted that Adam was autistic…Milas, whose son Joshua was in the club with Lanza…Beth Israel on Friday tweeted that her daughter went to school with him and he was ‘troubled for a long time.’

  228. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 15, 2012 - 11:52 am | Permalink

    @Irish Savant:

    Hi Irish Savant

    Maybe a lot of Jews do know why so many people resent them, but… it probably doesn’t help them to publicly acknowledge the reasons behind “anti-semitism”, so instead they pretend that it’s just some irrational hatred that they can’t understand.

  229. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 15, 2012 - 11:34 am | Permalink

    @Axe of Perun:

    Or maybe you don’t get it, or maybe we’re way ahead of you.

    It’s about POWER. If you are right about H*tler, then the order of things will have to be: first you get the POWER; then you use that power to help people understand the truth.

    What you can’t do – helpfully – is continually associate us with H*tler when precisely that association has been DELIBERATELY established by our enemies having used their already acquired POWER to first vilify and demonize him. Unless you’ve got some good news about something you’ve accomplished in the real world that is going to change the balance of POWER, then the current situation is we don’t have the power yet to reverse anything like what you say.

    Concentrate on getting some POWER. Start in your life. If you still have some steam …some time left…then concentrate on getting rich. Don’t worry too much how….you’ve got a people to save…so there’s a lot of latitude. Go for it. Get some power.

  230. Axe of Perun's Gravatar Axe of Perun
    December 15, 2012 - 10:17 am | Permalink

    I see that even O.O.folks don’t get it, what lies behind endless Hitler-bashing.
    I think it was F.O’Reilly who asked himself: “If an utterly corrupt system, based on lies and deception-continualy portrays someone as the most evil person who has ever walked the face of the earth, then is it just possible the oppossite is true?
    Ultimately, wasn’t he the last ethnic-european politician, who dared to stand up and fight for his Volk?

  231. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 15, 2012 - 9:33 am | Permalink


    Something that may be interesting is the possibility of links between psychopathy and autism-spectrum disorders, most especially Asperger’s.
    …..becuase there is a fairly well established link between Asperger’s and Ashkenazi Jews.
    The reason this came to mind was your mentioning of Rand. In her world the highest most moral form a human being can take is – effectively – the psychopath

  232. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 15, 2012 - 9:17 am | Permalink


    Pavel what you say is interesting and worth commenting on because where we are now is that historically you are totally correct but projecting into the future you are not correct.

    Things are changing for 1/2 and 1/4 Jews. This is being driven by the shift of power in the Jewish world toward the Orthodox end. Half and quarter Jews are not Jewish and NOT MADE TO FEEL WELCOME. They are seen as a genetic threat even more than someone with no Jewish blood. This is because of a perception (probably real) that the barrier to intermarriage is considerably weakened when the non-Jew has some Jewish blood.

    This viewpoint is felt much much more strongly by the orthodox race-supremacist streams of Judaism. These streams are in the process of becoming much more dominant. This is true in terms of demographics but also true politically, true in terms of what is happening in Israel, and true in terms of organized/activist Jewry.

    We’re not seeing it clearly yet but this is because we’re now in the early stages of what is a Civil War – Jewish Style.

    So…implications. One is that part-Jews and Jews with non-Othorthodox converts in their ancestry, are beginning to feel more and more like 2nd class citizens. What this means is that – certainly from the 1/4 Jews we can expect a lot more them to be both waking up to the realities of what Judaism is really all about, and also by the same coin identifying much more strongly with their 3/4 White ancestry.

    Not sure whether this is going to be welcome, whether it’ll be a threat or whatever. But the way I see it, it’s going to be happening, and it’ll be a real force in the real world that presumably there will be ways to benefit from handled right.

  233. December 15, 2012 - 9:10 am | Permalink

    The same antics take place in dozens of other arenas, and yet Jews are endlessly mystified at the resentment they (Jews) always seem to generate. It’s a total mystery to me how it’s a total mystery to them.

  234. shrug's Gravatar shrug
    December 15, 2012 - 8:57 am | Permalink


    and the percentage of whites would be way less than the numbers claimed by Unz since most jews in the west are white askenazi who hide out as whites.

    Maybe Unz’s job is to hide that the true number of non-jewish whites at elite universities are approaching zero. As a jew, Unz is no doubt aware of the problem of crypto jews yet his “study” does not even take it into consideration.

  235. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    December 15, 2012 - 7:31 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: I simply stated the FACT that American votes are counted by unaccountable computers developed in secret by private corporations and because of that FACT, American voters, (no matter what their personal opinions are of the individuals selected and groomed for public office by your betters), have little or no effect on who is ultimately chosen to do the dirty deeds of their corporate masters.

    Your masters choose, the machines obey. You and your relatives have little or no say.

  236. ATBOTL's Gravatar ATBOTL
    December 15, 2012 - 5:15 am | Permalink

    Remember that Harvard is a gateway for elite careers in politics, media, finance, law and academia. Being excluded from Harvard means white will be less likely to end up billionaires, supreme court Justices, presidents etc.

  237. Pavel's Gravatar Pavel
    December 15, 2012 - 4:16 am | Permalink


    Andrew, the news of Jewish inter-marriage is hardly “heartening.” Nine times out of ten, half-jews, quarter-jews and so on act exactly as JEWS despite coming from a mixed background. The jewish genes almost always dominate, particularly in a mental sense. The psychology of jews and mixed jews was explained by a Russian author named Grigoriy Klimov, whose books I pored over a few years back. He was never translated into English, unfortunately.

  238. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 15, 2012 - 2:15 am | Permalink

    @arthurdecco: I disagree with you. I have freinds, family and have run into numerous people that are convinced people like George Bush, jr. and Sr., John McCain, Lindsay Graham!!, and a whole bunch of other politicians, that I can only call “toxic” to European-Americans, are the next best thing to the invention of white bread. Please, you give some of the people in this nation far too much credit. No wonder people like Alexander Hamilton had a general distrust of the average voter.

  239. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 15, 2012 - 2:02 am | Permalink

    Craig Bodekers’ theater of the absurd would be a good subtitle to the above video. I’ve watched a lot of his video’s over the last few years, and no one, I mean no one, not even Ramzi Paul, can put their finger on the insanity this country is steeped in.

  240. Peters's Gravatar Peters
    December 15, 2012 - 12:05 am | Permalink

    It is Cheka, not Chekka. Stands for Ch. K. or Chrezvychainaya Komissia (Extraordinary Comission) in Russian. The full name of the organization is somewhat longer.

  241. Molly's Gravatar Molly
    December 15, 2012 - 12:00 am | Permalink

    I’m glad to see the focus is on enrollment instead of admissions in both Dr. MacDonald’s article and that of Ron Unz.

    How well do you suppose universities treat those they have tried so hard to keep out, i.e. White students? Many of the White students who are admitted endure years of torment from administrators and faculty members who do not want them to take their rightful place in the professions. The abuse White students are subjected to inside the universities, including arbitrary grading, is a really ugly situation.

    On some campuses, minorities even have preferences in getting into classes. And access to classes is fundamental to graduating on time.

    International credit rating firms contribute to this situation in colleges and universities that issue their own bonds, like Harvard and the University of Virginia. High bond ratings mean schools pay lower interest to bond holders. Colleges and universities are judged more selective and, therefore, more deserving of higher credit ratings, the higher the average SAT scores of entering freshmen. But the credit rating firms do not consider whether any of those students with high SAT scores ever graduate.

    They do not downgrade a school’s bond rating if none of the high scoring freshmen graduate.

    In fact, according to a firm representative, Standard & Poors (S & P) looks favorably on what it calls the practice of “weeding out” students. Consequently, marginal minority students are transferred into prestigious colleges and universities from colleges without stringent entrance requirements to take the places of more capable White students who were deliberately forced out.

    The points noted above are all taken from an article called “Educational Sabotage” that appeared in National Vanguard magazine. Some sample pages are available in this link:…/121sample.pdf

  242. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 14, 2012 - 11:33 pm | Permalink

    You mean they are subject to the same forces which work on us? Keep hope alive!

  243. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 14, 2012 - 11:28 pm | Permalink

    We can only hope. On the other hand as my husband tells our boys from time to time “Age, guile, and ruthlessness beats youth, strength, and a hot head every time.”

  244. dixie's Gravatar dixie
    December 14, 2012 - 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Great article—- actually the WASPs are the only ones who DID NOT live in a Nanny State. The contradictions in the current system are obviously increasingly obvious— How is it a “Nanny State” AND “a meritocracy?” Well…if you do something good, it’s “merit,” and if not, it’s a “nanny state.”

    What has been done to Americans— the Generational people really were WASPs— is something many do not want examined, it seems.

    A population does not go from 90% to 4% in nyc in 60 years without some serious maneuvering. Huge populations in a strong “homogenous” country do not just “vanish” in a century.

    If things are going well for them, they continue to thrive.

    We are given many “talking points’ to “understand” it all—- one is that the Americans got “too fat” and were “selfish.” The prototype might be Eastwood’s “Gran Torino” where he sacrifices himself for the Hmong (who try to rob him) and leaves him the inheritance that would have been meant for his own family (who are portrayed as selfish, crass, money-grubbing Americans contrasted to the Hmong, the “heirs” to the American’s belongings).

    It’s deep conditioning, to be sure. Very sad that people would want that.

  245. Taras's Gravatar Taras
    December 14, 2012 - 11:10 pm | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas:
    I know what you mean Mari, I fee a cold, icy rage at what is going on. The Jews are creating a monster that will literally swallow them all whole and have plenty of room for their lackeys too. Men like me are capable of fearsome violence when their backs are against the wall. Soon a LOT of white men are going to against the wall economically if not literally thanks to Obama and the NDAA. This will not end well for them, and it will not end well for us either.

  246. Taras's Gravatar Taras
    December 14, 2012 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Hitler was a genocidal maniac who killed untold millions of whites, which did nothing but give the Jews an even greater stranglehold on white nations. I say again, Slavs are whites, whiter than may whites here in Amerika. Jews kill off those who will sooner or later oppose them, or come gunning for them literally. How they do it is irrelevant, they are perfectly happy getting whites to kill each other while they grab the spoils. War serves the Jews, that is why it have been called, “the Jewish Harvest.” That is why Hilter, and Stalin as well were unmitigated disasters for the white race. Slavs are whites, who are just as intelligent and cultured as any other white peoples today. We just got a late head start in becomming Christians and leaving paganism behind. Even so, Ukraine was a nation before France, Spain and England as we know them began to take shape. Hitler was nuts, he should have seen the Slavs for what they were, a huge fighting force who together with Germany’s would have rolled over the Bolsheviks like a 1,000 meter high mega-tsunami, and preventing Jewish rule over us today. You do realize they rule us right now do you?

  247. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 14, 2012 - 10:58 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    I find it hard to reconcile the long-term stability of the Jewish house with the relatively lower IQ of the Orthodox, if the latter be its inner sanctum.

    But then I haven’t read PTSDA.

  248. December 14, 2012 - 10:36 pm | Permalink

    @Floda: You write of the real FEAR, the same people who ruled the “soviet union” rule the USA. They will use any means to an end. Mrs. Abbott my second grade “teacher” (idiot) back in 1962 told the class that the red army “saved” the people by harvesting the grain she LIED in a public school back in the 1960’s. I can remember it like yesterday. The jew, Lazar “The Locomotive” Kaganovich Stalin right hand “man” always in the picture and that pig queer Trotsky murdered them all and Armin Hammer ended up with enought ART to open a museum in NYC with ART stolen from the Kulacks. What a farce. Go to Washington DC and watch the jews go to “work” on Sunday morning. White people will be starved to death, murdered, killed and slaughtered to make Molech happy.

  249. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    December 14, 2012 - 10:25 pm | Permalink

    @90404: yes.

  250. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 14, 2012 - 10:20 pm | Permalink

    90404, maybe I misunderstand your point but I don’t see where I contradict it. The Jewish and most other birthrates in Berkeley are low.
    Even Blacks have left in droves because of real estate prices and the weakening of the misguided rent control. I wasn’t around 40 years ago but the numbers of Asians has risen dramatically according to those who were.

  251. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 14, 2012 - 9:55 pm | Permalink

    In the 90s the maximum score was 1600?
    800 x 2 =1600.

  252. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 14, 2012 - 9:49 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:
    Marcy, dont be silly. People in Berkeley HAVING CHILDREN?
    My cousin went to UCB 40 years ago.
    It was very asian then!

  253. December 14, 2012 - 9:23 pm | Permalink

    I have stated before that there is nothing that the Jews can do that we can’t do and do in much larger numbers. Of course this means that we MUST work together.
    Here’s a link for information on Jews from one that knows them well.

  254. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    December 14, 2012 - 8:29 pm | Permalink

    The most remarkable part of this article is that a Jew is pointing out Jewish power. Historically, this has been seen by the Jewish community as betrayal. Nature has mandated that the goal of all living organisms is survival and replication, and that all strategies are fair in this war, including camouflage, mimicry, deception, exploitation and predation. According to the dictates of nature, ethnic networking (and hiding this), giving preference to coethnics (at the expense of outsiders) and colluding together for maximum control of a society (and punishing any that reveal this) are not only fair, but very healthy, adaptive and virtuous strategies. Those who challenge this (like Dr. MacDonald) are sworn enemies, and those who expose this from within (like Ron Unz) are base traitors. In this, the Jews are completely aligned with nature, instinctively understanding that it is imperative that the extended racial family must collaborate, conspire and unite in every way possible if it is to endure.

    Of heartening news to other races in North America (and all races are competitors), studies show that the Jewish race here is in decline. Jews are intermarrying at very high rates (about 50%), and the fertility of the non-Orthodox (the fiercest and most harmful to their competitors) is very low. In addition, younger Jews have significantly less loyalty to their race than previous generations. The Jews attending the Ivy League schools are receiving the most liberal education that money can buy, and are imbibing the very poisonous aracial values and philosophy that their antecedents conceived (as an anti-competitor strategy). The decreasing achievement among Jews in academia is doubtless a symptom of this. Future generations of Jews in North America will not only be fewer in number, but significantly less dedicated and effective than the current generation that maintains its stranglehold on our society, culture and political structure.

  255. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 14, 2012 - 7:45 pm | Permalink

    My theory is that the more intelligent are inclined to trust themselves and take risks. Others are encouraged to stick to the rules and follow orders. Actually a pretty clever plan. I also think that the Orthodox are more likely to marry close relatives.

  256. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 14, 2012 - 7:41 pm | Permalink

    You are very kind, Bobby. I was just cringing as I reread my comment. An edit function would sure make me look smarter. I swear my keyboard is infested with Pixies!

    I think the current student loan mess is causing a lot of people to reevaluate the wisdom of aiming for elite schools. This crowd, sooner or later, destroys everything of real value.

  257. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 14, 2012 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Since I mentioned creativity in my original comment @Richard I want to include a video about the importance of perspective.

    This talk is part of the TED series, which often seem very interesting and informative.

    You can browse through more TED talks (over 1,000 of them) here on their YouTube channel.

    For those who are unfamiliar with TED, this is their official description:

    TEDTalks is a daily video podcast of the best talks and performances from the TED Conference, where the world’s leading thinkers and doers give the talk of their lives in 18 minutes. Featured speakers have included Al Gore on climate change, Philippe Starck on design, Jill Bolte Taylor on observing her own stroke, Nicholas Negroponte on One Laptop per Child, Jane Goodall on chimpanzees, Bill Gates on malaria and mosquitoes, Pattie Maes on the “Sixth Sense” wearable tech, and “Lost” producer JJ Abrams on the allure of mystery. TED stands for Technology, Entertainment, Design, and TEDTalks cover these topics as well as science, business, development and the arts.

    (Some of the talks are shorter than 18 minutes.)

  258. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 14, 2012 - 7:13 pm | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas:

    I always like your comments and it sounds like you’re doing a lot of good things.

  259. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 14, 2012 - 7:08 pm | Permalink

    If the entire Jewish ethnic strategy is breeding selectively for intelligence, why should median IQ for Orthodox Jews be lower than its counterpart in the general Jewish population? Aren’t the two groups’ eugenic practices the same?

  260. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 14, 2012 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    On the comment to fender, I meant like Mari pointed out in her above post, not Marci.

  261. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 14, 2012 - 6:56 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Alice, you don’t have to convince me of your intelligence. I can tell you have a good brain whether or not you went through the public school system or even college, both of which sure doesn’t ensure someone has a “good” education. It’s ironic that a large number if not most, mega million or billionaires, either dropped out of school early or had very little formal schooling at all. Now there’s a study for some group of “intellectuals”that need a govenrment grant. But it will be a snowflakes chance in hell they’d ever get one from the government educational establishment. The Phd’s might find out that the government school system is coming up short in producing real intellects, relative to the enormous amount of money the tax payers have to dole out to them.

  262. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 14, 2012 - 6:46 pm | Permalink

    @fender: fender I disagree, altlhough I see where your’e coming from. To the question of what will empower and give white people who perceive their rights being trampled on, the answer is not, IN MY OPNION, mantras, excessive blogging that complains about all of our problems, etc. The answer is action. To put it more accurately, the answer, WOULD BE ACTION, if enough white people had balls. What kind of action? Lawsuits galore, everytime they see that their rights are being trampled on. Removing their kids from public schools, if they see their kids are being brainwashed by some agenda. Talking about how right Hitler and the National Socialists were, accomplishes exactly what in the minds of exactly who? Fifty million Christian Evangelists? Nope. Leftists who are on the government dole? Nope. College professors? Nope. Better to talk about Stalin, if your’e trying to interest college professors,etc. Whites need to do, EN MASSE, what other groups do to get their rights back, BUT THEY WON’T. I have no great delusions about most of them. Afterall, we are still in the majority, and could accomplish change, if only we worked together, but we won’t , because too many European-Americans, are humonous B-tlic-ing MORONS. Like Marci pointed out in her above post, they won’t even hire or help other whites when they can, despite all the things they see happening.

  263. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 14, 2012 - 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Just read the off the wall comments on Rand by Luke and Bobby.
    First off, 99% of Jews detest her, her philosophy is as much the antithesis of Judaism as it is of Christianity and Islam.
    Then there is the fact that her followers do not claim her ideas applied only to the Old West but rather to the extent that the US was free, somewhat closer to laissez-faire capitalism, that was the extent of its prosperity and liberty.
    Just made these arguments in a different form on the Occidental Quarterly site but I suggest people just read her directly as her critics are out to lunch and see both parts of the Atlas Shrugged movie. Objectivism will the philosophy of the future if we have one. Nothing anti-white about Rand’s philosophy. She opposed all the Civil Rights Acts.

  264. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 14, 2012 - 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Only stats that surprised me were the low Jewish enrollments at Berkeley and Stanford. The city of Berkeley is 22% Jewish, highest in the Bay Area and exceeded only in several LA area towns like Bel Air and Beverly Hills.
    Jews, like homosexuals and blacks, do tend to hire their own.
    None of these schools could be called intellectually elite. They are left establishment brainwashing factories and should be defunded.

  265. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    December 14, 2012 - 5:26 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: “As trends writer Gerald Celente, so often says the whole nation is run by a–ho–s. But let us remember, these A–Ho–s were elected by and kept in office by your average Americans, often with children just like the poor people in todays tragedy.”

    I strongly disagree with your contention that “average Americans” elected the assholes now responsible for dismantling the United States of America. The assholes were “elected” by electronic voting machines that no one, outside their developers and manufacturers, know how the machines tabulate the votes! Votes don’t matter in America! Geez! You kids need to stop sucking on the kool aid straw!

  266. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    December 14, 2012 - 5:06 pm | Permalink

    @fender: ” Accepting that Hitler was right is a HUGE mental hurdle that Whites need to clear (given decades upon decades of brainwashing and outright lies), but it needs to be done if we can ever hope to have moral and intellectual autonomy, free of jewish BS.”

    General George Patton agreed with you, Fender, and before he was able to spread his message to his fellow Americans, he was murdered by Russian Jews in collusion with their American Jewish co-conspirators.

    He would have blown the doors off this whole charade 60 years ago had he managed to make it back to the United States alive.

  267. john thames's Gravatar john thames
    December 14, 2012 - 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Great analysis but I’ve always believed that sooner or later there is always but one solution to Jews and their evil and sooner or later it will come down to precisely that. So keep writing, guys, but Rome did not defeat Carthage through learned debate, the British did not take out the Zulus through learned debate and we will not stop the Jews through beautifully written essays. Neither did the Palestinians beat the Balfour Declaration through superbly crafted letters to the High Commisioner.

  268. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 14, 2012 - 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Although you may not be able to detect it from my typing, I had a good education and used it to home-school my kids. It will not surprise you to hear that I blame our current decline on the feminist degradation of both teaching as a career for women and the role of mothers. Turns out that kids need you when they need you, not when you have scheduled quality time. Family really does matter. From school bus barbarism to sex ed which results in ever higher incidences of pregnancy and STDs to ever lower literacy rates – the evidence is hitting us all over the head. The only answer proposed is more “investment” in education. More money for the same incompetent crowd is insane. Will someone please tell liberals that investments are supposed to pay off, at least occasionally.

    I fear the long, slow, collapse but there seems to be no escape. We had better prepare our young for some hard times ahead. I tell my kids to remember that the Chinese sign for crisis is composed of the signs for danger and opportunity.

  269. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    December 14, 2012 - 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Describing the once hallowed halls of Harvard as an example of an “elite” university when Harvard gives tenure to non-scholars as deficient and unintelligent as Alan Dershowitz while promoting unqualified simpletons like the above-mentioned Elena Kagan to department head is absurd.

    There’s nothing “elite” about any university that promotes such embarrassingly mediocre intellects into positions of influence while lowering their standards to allow unqualified Jews to displace their better-deserving White and Asian applicants. That’s not “elite”. That’s despicable, dishonest and immoral – the way the Jewish collective does everything.

    Continuing to describe these universities as “elite” when they are long past their best before date is just another ridiculous notion promoted by the same sneaky liars that have made “label slaves” out of whole generations of Western children.

    Harvard is a brand. It’s not an “elite” educational facility – especially now that Jews have corrupted it beyond all recognition like they do everything else they willfully destroy satiating their own sociopathic ambitions

    In fact, Dershowitz is a poster child for what ails American Academia. He’s a venal, white-hating racist – a proven liar, dissembler, propagandist and a common thug, with the intellectual acumen of a feral rat. And yet he’s lauded as some sort of sage by an even stupider collection of serial liars handsomely paid by our Jewish Owned Media Brands.

    Let’s face it. Jews got to the top of the pile in Academia, just like all the other fields of endeavor they enter because they rig the game. With them, the fix is always in.

    They lie better, cheat better and thieve better than any other collective I’ve ever come into contact with.

    How anyone could be surprised by the tenor of Ron Unz’s piece is a mystery to me.

  270. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 14, 2012 - 4:28 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: I’m sorry, “Gestalt” psychologists.

  271. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 14, 2012 - 4:27 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: P.S. Alice, it’ my belief that popular culture is breeding troubled kids who cannot know where the boundaries are. The left has been expanding and trying to do away with the boundries of acceptablility for years. This is all a part of todays sick society, and where people are misdiagosing this, is when they continue to look for specific, individual causes. I don’t want to sound like a know it all, but as the Gestast psychologists have said, we have to stop looking at the specifics at some point, and see the whole picture as the thing that affects the specific occurences.

  272. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 14, 2012 - 4:20 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Isn’t it a sign of how insane the media is? Isn’t this the media that millions of Americans turn to for ” information” on what is happening abroad, and in the nation itself? God, is this country going down. As trends writer Gerald Celente, so often says the whole nation is run by a–ho–s. But let us remember, these A–Ho–s were elected by and kept in office by your average Americans, often with children just like the poor people in todays tragedy. Yet, these people know of the corrosive and evil agendas the public school system is engaged in and will not stop them. I was listening to a well know radio personality and psychiatrist, Dr. Roy Masters, who said that any American who allows their kids to attend public schools today is abusing them. He said they should either self-school them, or put them in a decent, responsible private school. I’m not saying this individual school was at fault for anything, I’m saying the whole system is corrupt beyond belief. When little kids are taught holocaust stuff, when they are taught about the life of Bill and Steve,etc., in 5fth grade books, when the solution to teen sexuality is passing out condoms, then you know the inmates are running the asylum.

  273. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 14, 2012 - 3:27 pm | Permalink

    As the news coverage of the heartbreaking tragedy Conn, this idiocy of the media without a script is telling. There is the immediate gun control propaganda, endless mindless speculation, faux sorrow and time filling nonsense. Many questions will be asked. The one question we will not hear is why a woman who reared such a troubled child was hired to be a kindergarten teacher? I know that mental illness can strike anywhere, but there are surely signs? Americans will pay our elite very well and not care which group they come from – if they do a good job! Our so-called meritocracy has been failing the country for decades. They only serve themselves.

  274. December 14, 2012 - 3:24 pm | Permalink

    this is the best post so far.

    We absolutely need DNA testing to discover Jewish and non-Jewish white identity.

    If Unz article had DNA data, the percentages of non-Whites would be even less, since many Jews hide as cryptos.

    These crypto-jews are the most vicious cancer inside the West.

  275. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 14, 2012 - 3:10 pm | Permalink

    @Junghans: Good observation Junghans and absolutely true.

  276. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 14, 2012 - 3:07 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: Luke, back in the seventies a couple of books came out by a guy called Robert Ringer.”Winning through Intimidation”, and I believe, Looking out for Number One”. He was an Ayn Rand fanatic and the books were based on her “philosophy”. Mr. Ringer appeared as a guest on several talk shows, Johnny Carson,etc. I believe the books sold in the millions, this at a time of much lower population.

    Rands writings are attractive to “romantics” who love the idea of the individual standing alone against the world,etc. A kind of superman status(at least in ones own mind) is what one gets from this false philosophy. Rand apologists will say that her writings speak of an earlier American frontier experience, where the individual did, indeed have to stand on his/her own. But that time has come and past, as an increasingly intrusive government does everything it can to make this kind of life impossible.

  277. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 14, 2012 - 2:54 pm | Permalink

    @Preston Zitzelberger:

    No one follow this guy’s link…it’s bogus

  278. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 14, 2012 - 2:54 pm | Permalink

    @mari: “Don’t you think he could have hired at least one white medical assistant or clerk;……………….” “But we European whites discriminate against each other to an excessive level.”

    Well, I have to return to the ugly comments about European Americans I used above…..BUTTL—ING, SYCOPHANTIC MORONS BY THE MILLIONS.


  279. JPLex's Gravatar JPLex
    December 14, 2012 - 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Check out in youtube JOBBIK (english).

    They are acting, not talking. He says it all. Talking is no good. It is too late. Wake up, my friends, wake up.

  280. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 14, 2012 - 2:44 pm | Permalink

    @mari: Feinstein is very devious, corrupt and most of all a person with an oh so entitled mentality. Petty to the core. When Arnold Schwarzenegger ran for Gov. of California, Feinstein was the first to chime in, calling him an opportunist. I just about upchucked. This is an extreme case of the pot calling the kettle black, when one considers all of Feinsteins shenanigans in putting forth legislation that somehow, mysteriiously, would always BENEFIT THE FEINSTEIN FAMILY. Why is this eighty year old biddy, still in office anyway? On top of it, she’s even head of some committe involving the military. That’s comforting, isn’t it?

  281. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    December 14, 2012 - 2:33 pm | Permalink

    The original Unz article is remarkable in its own right, and is a clear reflection of how complete their control of Anglo-White America really is today. That a well known Jew would openly discuss such sensitive information truthfully , is indicative of the fact that Jews can openly talk about virtually anything, without fearing any negative consequences. If Jewry doesn’t like what he says, or they think it needs to be kept below the radar, even among Jews, it will get the ‘silent treatment’.

  282. JPLex's Gravatar JPLex
    December 14, 2012 - 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Again, most interesting.

    However, as we all well know, in the meantime the Jews print more money for their brethren in Wall Street and they are unstoppable.

    You may write, you may argue your head blue, but they will prevail.

    As always, they will only lose after they have first truly ruined your country. Then, only then, you will have some say again. Look what they did to one of the richest countries in the world, namely Russia. They ruined it for almost a century.

    There you have it, my dear Americans. A century. You will be free around early 22nd century. Maybe…

  283. Frederick's Gravatar Frederick
    December 14, 2012 - 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Re: Steve

    The Jews have been kicked out of dozens of places, if not more, over the last 4,000 years — not simply the last 2,000 years. They were run out of Egypt circa 1,400 BC. Abraham originally hailed from Ur in Babylonia and fled from there circa 2,000 BC. This is not an insignificant point. The Jewish strategies and tactics vis-a-vis the people they live amongst, and the resentments they incur, precedes Christianity by at least 2,000 years. It’s simply the relationship of the Parasite to the Host. The Parasite resents the Host, especially the ruling elites they are trying to displace, because that’s the natural, if not instinctive, response of Parasite to Host. The issue is not religion, except to the extent that the Jewish “religion” has always been about Money (to nourish itself off the Host) and Ethnicity, and little else. And the Parasite always returns — the eternal recurrence. It has little self-respect, and no nobility.

  284. December 14, 2012 - 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Good day to you people! I`ve recently published a story, I can even call it a research regarding rather similar matter . There is not much clear information on that, but I have manged to find something using that resource .

  285. Pascal's Gravatar Pascal
    December 14, 2012 - 12:42 pm | Permalink

    As to university “elites”, the situation is going from bad to worse in Quebec:

    These figures may pale in comparison with salaries paid in the U.S. but if you take in account the affordable cost of living in Montreal, and the fact Quebec premier makes 177K/year, they are nothing less than outrageous.

    The situation is not as dramatic in French speaking universities, but with the current influx of detestable Sephardic Jews from the Paris area, we’ll face the same situation in 2030.

    Unfortunately, this ethnic networking is hidden in plain sight, as Montreal Jews masquerade as “Anglos”, and are thus put in the same bag as people of Scottish, Irish & English ancestry by unsuspecting French Canadians.

  286. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    December 14, 2012 - 12:39 pm | Permalink

    @90404: I got a 1580 on the re-centered SAT and perfect scores on 2 subject tests, as well as 5’s on two AP tests (my school only offered 3). I don’t know what my IQ is.

    Maybe I didn’t deserve to go to Harvard, but I also go rejected by schools like Cornell, Northwestern, Brown, and even Emory. So I went to the local State U.

    The same thing happened when it came time to apply for grad school–though in this case, knowing that I had to have a perfect score to even have a chance at a top school, I had terrible anxiety and ended up with a score in the 96th percentile. And it was back to State U.

  287. shrug's Gravatar shrug
    December 14, 2012 - 12:05 pm | Permalink

    “For one thing, it would require an argument that it makes sense to formally distinguish Jews and non-Jewish Whites as separate groups, …”

    Absolutely agree. I think the only way to solve this problem is by instituting a scientifically reliable and verifiable system of DNA testing.

    Jews cannot be trusted to “self-identify” as jews. Jews come in every race, creed and color and under the current system are allowed to lie to hide that they’re jews.

    Under this non-verifiable system it’s possible for every single faculty member to be jewish and for the university to avoid lawsuits and be in compliance with affirmative action quotas if every white, black, asian, moslem or hispanic hired is jewish.

    Testing for jewish genetic markers would be like the magic sunglasses in the movie They Live, finally allowing us to SEE the jew.

  288. sanjay's Gravatar sanjay
    December 14, 2012 - 11:28 am | Permalink

    a lot of people ask me for information, literature to understand politics, and why America is declining.

    i always point them to Buchanan’s and KMac’s books.

    the only problem is, buchanan’s books are affordable and available in print and kindle, whereas KMac’s books (except SAID) are not.

    Amazon may be the best way to preach beyond the choir.

  289. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    December 14, 2012 - 11:19 am | Permalink

    Read “The Culture of Critique.” Every white person in the USA should read this book. I’m rereading it yet again, and I still marvel at how KM was able to SEE things that others could not see. Like he says, it’s OBVIOUS that we are being displaced. The easiest way to show our dumb leftie friends the truth is to talk about immigration and the Jews role in forcing anti-white policies.
    I do not think that Hitler is irrelevant. My research into WWII, Hitler, Bolshevism, etc., substantiated with solid evidence that the Jews are a subversive, corrosive, despicable force.
    The study of Jews in history gave KM the knowledge to see their patterns of behavior that always help them at our expense.
    I agree that our demographic death is rapidly approaching and we have to find ways to quickly awaken those who are asleep. I like secession. I like ending abortion. I really like closing the borders and kicking illegals out and cutting off welfare.
    Let me tell you, I am constantly writing letters and raising hell. I make calls too. And I give to certain sites when I can.
    Our efforts will bear fruit, I can assure you.

  290. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 14, 2012 - 10:10 am | Permalink


    You make good points but you get the central calculation wrong because as with your idea we should ‘tune out’ the Jews you seem to be running on the assumption Jewish Power is primary illusion/psychology: it isn’t.
    The concept of N*zis has been shaped into a weapon that is used against us for the PRIMARY REASON of isolating us from mainstream Whites. The more the association with N*zism the higher the barrier to entry for mainstream whites.
    That’s the reality of the situation. It can only be changed by POWER. Only power can reshape it into something positive and not a weapon.
    As things stand it’s a weapon and proactively identifying ourselves that way would be is the same as turning it on ourselves. It isn’t possible to turn it on them. That takes power.

  291. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 14, 2012 - 10:01 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: About a year ago, a white guy who is probably the best friend I’ve ever had – and who I have repeatedly tried to help educate on issues that deal with the jewish Cultural Marxist war that is being waged against White European people and their nations world-wide, came to visit me and I noticed that he was reading a book by Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged.

    I was gravely concerned over his choice of reading material.

    Now, this guy is not what I’d call a committed White Nationalist – but, he is sort of racial realist in some respects. However, this guy seems to think exclusively in economic terms – he, like the current GOP establishment, place their pursuit of material gain at the top of their list of priorities and if ‘race’ is anywhere on their list, it occupies a position that is far below their desire to base 100 percent of their decisions and views on what’s best for their individual wallets.

    Rand, of course, is a jewess and this evil witch has managed to screw up the brains of who knows how many of our fellow White men and women. The emphasis upon radical individualism, the emphasis upon selfishness, adoption of an obsession that focuses on concerning oneself primarily with the pursuit of what’s best for the individual and ignoring the fact that very often this attitude can do tremendous harm and inflict incredible damage upon the racial group and ethnic family that is part of your tribal group – these are the attitudes that jews love to implant into the sponge-like brains of their racial competitors, because it weakens their racial competition and renders them easier to exploit and dominate. Rand was opposed to collectivist thinking, but only when gentiles engaged in it.

    Well, I made a rather pointed negative comment about this book and it’s author and asked my old friend if he thought it to be a wise move to be reading ‘advice’ books which were written by an enemy who is fully committed to engineering the genocide and complete extermination of White European mankind – and did it ever occur to him that such an enemy as that might think it really clever to write ‘advice’ books that helped them plant ideas and seeds inside the heads of those they wished to destroy — whereby, if those ideas were adopted, that they would program White European people to embrace attitudes that would speed along their own racial destruction?

    This is equivalent to two football teams deciding to meet for a Super Bowl Championship game, and the coach for the White team asks the coach for the Anti-White team to write up a playbook and game plan for the White team to use in the upcoming game. And, after being resoundingly defeated by a score of 55 – 0, the coach of the White team holds a press conference and proclaims that he just can’t figure out why the opposing team seem to know how to stop every offensive play he called and how their offense managed to know exactly which plays to call that would work against every defense he had in place.

    I don’t know whether or not my old friend fully ‘got’ the point I was trying to make or not. To this day, he still will occasionally try to defend Ayn Rand’s philosophies, but not nearly as passionately as he once did. Perhaps I planted a seed or two of doubt in his mind, or perhaps not. At any rate, there needs to be a cardinal rule that White European men and women learn to adopt and follow and it is this:

    Do not read ‘advice’ books written by an enemy who seeks our destruction, unless the purpose behind reading them is to try to determine what our enemies are up to.

  292. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    December 14, 2012 - 9:12 am | Permalink

    This article can be effectively used in the media (via the comment sections) to question the myth of Jewish meritocracy. Since MacDonald has pulled together the key passages from Unz’s article, commentators can draw attention to these passages first, and then see if they can get away with a link to TOO; but if not, the passages and the link to American Conservative may work as well.

    Yes, the media has ignored Unz’s article; I noticed as well that the commentators at American Conservative were reluctant to draw MacDonald’s conclusions; which should not be surprising since Jews are increasingly colonizing the Paleoconservative camp. They are hanging around American Renaissance and Taki magazine as well trying to bend these venues in a pro-Jewish direction. But I have been surprised at the growing awareness of commentators re the Jewish question. The findings compiled and analyze here can be brought to attention in these webzines too.

  293. Paul Hausser's Gravatar Paul Hausser
    December 14, 2012 - 8:53 am | Permalink

    Is this not what Solzhenitsyn said in 200 Years Together as to what happened in the Soviet Union during the 1920’s and 1930’s? Jews poured into the Universities helped by Jews in admissions.

    The Jews Egoised(sic) the USA in the late 1960’s and 1970’s (the ME generation)

    Then then Mammonized the USA in the 1980’s and 1990’s.( thru money worship in the digital Stock market economy)

    Then they Zionized the USA in the 2000’s with the 9/11 Israeli false flag op.

    Now they are Bolshevizing the USA in the 2010’s under Obama and the Jew control of academia government and the judicial system. Coupled with Globalization

    Sick sick monsters.

  294. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    December 14, 2012 - 7:57 am | Permalink

    @Floda: You have some interesting life stories Floda . I vaguely remember your story about the Jewish swimming coach and the Hungarian Embassy ..
    Perhaps worth a reprint .

  295. HolyHoaxer's Gravatar HolyHoaxer
    December 14, 2012 - 7:44 am | Permalink

    @mari: Wow , America really does sound like a depressing place ! Your a foreigner in the country your ancestors built .
    Perhaps you should vote with your feet (even at age ) and move to Oregon etc (?) , let the Lefties look after the mess they created and you wouldn’t like to end up like Clint Eastwood in that movie about his car … Tra..?
    Anyway I might observe that by moving state you are making a very strong positive statement to yourself and for your friend and family that you are not going down with the ship was hulled by some black jacks .

  296. JT's Gravatar JT
    December 14, 2012 - 7:38 am | Permalink

    With the current Hobbit craze, this might be an interesting video for you to feature on your site:


  297. Professor's Gravatar Professor
    December 14, 2012 - 7:36 am | Permalink

    Another finding of Unz’s article is that black and mestizo affirmative action has come out of the white end of elite college enrollment, not out of the Jewish end.

    If the Asian disparity were addressed, it too would probably come out of the percentage of whites enrolled, not out of the percentage of Jews enrolled.

  298. Ignorent Miscegenators's Gravatar Ignorent Miscegenators
    December 14, 2012 - 7:08 am | Permalink

    That should have said quasi scientific . And by that I mean example based parallels .

  299. Ignorent Miscegenators's Gravatar Ignorent Miscegenators
    December 14, 2012 - 7:00 am | Permalink

    Also I wonder if Kevin or someone of similar knowledge could put together some articles that describe in a quasi logical manner the different sort of societies that the IQ-Testosterone quotient create . From street logic would it be fair to surmise that the Chinese are unlikely to be able to run a Democracy because the males just don’t have enough testosterone to fight the leaders for power distribution ? Where as the Africans have too T driving social chaos and not enough IQ to build anything substantial .

  300. Ignorent Miscegenators's Gravatar Ignorent Miscegenators
    December 14, 2012 - 7:00 am | Permalink

    @mari: That is a very enlightening observation Mari .Most Jews constantly reinforce their victimhood as a way of (justifying) discriminating against everyone else.
    At the moment of course it is only the European countries that they are attacking and dismantling but it not hard to see in the near future there attacks will turn towards Asia . ” How dare these Asians devils run a race based country ! ”

    Fortunately Australia has been luckier (an Island primarily) but the departments of diversity have been created and are out their attacking normal human behavior of association . I have found that drawing peoples attention to the parallels of communism and the USSR is a very effective strategy in showing the fundamental flaw in a multiracial state .Just as people cannot be made materially equal they cannot be made racially equal.Half a million years of evolution cannot be undone with the swish of pen .
    The ZioMasonic’s (Jewish behaviour is supported by Masonry ) have quite literally turned humanity on its head .The game in my opinion is to strip people of any tribal-social affiliations and replace it with a sort of corporate-governement quasi democracy based on ‘profession’ identity of cloths and occupation and paper money . The problem is how the hell do ‘they’ stop people from identifying and sympathizing (and organizing) with people who look like themselves. And when Jews are constantly surreptitiously identifying with their own , this charade is clownishly ridiculous and laughable if the implication weren’t so diabolical .
    I now see racial identification behavior popping up on TV quite a lot (for the little I watch) .British science shows where the hosts is obviously identifying with another white person as a comrade amongst the multiculti sea . I must imagine their would be a lot of suppressed anger for what those Buffoons Blair & Brown did by genetically and socially trashing Britain.

  301. HolyHoaxer's Gravatar HolyHoaxer
    December 14, 2012 - 5:50 am | Permalink

    Its interesting that though World Jewry’s is loaded they never set up Jewish Universities . There are a couple of obvious reasons for this but probably one of the most interesting to speculate on would be the hyper ethnic way such institutions would discriminate all Gentiles putting Jewish behaviour on obvious show .
    The other observation is that knowing that Elite US University admission system is corrupt is a good way of being able to disrespect their qualifications . When Americans here someone say Harvard etc , its easy to say in a derogatory fashion “Yes I have heard about that University .” Just like modern art , their is no reason to fawn to the corrupt . Contempt is the proper response .

  302. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    December 14, 2012 - 3:37 am | Permalink

    About the restaurants. In Germany we have a lot of foreign restaurants. But German restaurants also. And they are re-gaining shares of the market. That is partly because the public has tested the foreign food and after some time comes happily back to German food. Also the German restaurants have accepeted the price fight and they are cheaper and offer a larger range of food. Also the wages in Germany in general are low. That helps us to get our work done by our own people.
    Also there is something that is only in the area of “feeling”. In my small home town area it would look “strange” if I as an elderly German would go to a Turk restaurant and this way would bring money to those who would perhaps better stay in their own land.
    Another example: At the parking lots of big stores in my country there is usually a fast-food small restaurant. In our neighbourhood that was Turk-food for some years. Now instead there is a German butcher who offers fast food, Schnitzel and so on. So now we have the possibillity the get German food there. If I go there, I feel fine. I think, that German woman there, who cooks and sells the food, she works hard all the day. She thinks, that German farmer/worker there (she reckonizes it by my clothes), coming and buying the food, he is working hard all days. But the main thought, maybe not a thought but an inner feeling is this: We are just normal Germans, standing together. A short look in the eyes, a small smile, some friendly words, nothing more is done, but it is the same feeling as Christmas evening. God has send his love to the world.

    Of cause this is an apartheid system caused by the free will. We do not speak negative about foreigners but we prefer our own people whereever possible. — Usually we adopt new things from the USA five years later. Maybe this time the direction is the other way round and you can adopt this fastly growing kind of behaviour. It gives a very good feeling inside and it helps our people/our race.

  303. Biff Preston's Gravatar Biff Preston
    December 14, 2012 - 3:27 am | Permalink

    Excellent Article Dr. MacDonald! I’m very happy to see this. The fact that jews are vastly overrepresented in top administrative positions in the Ivy league colleges and also vastly overrepresented in enrollment in the same universities is certainly no accident.

    This message needs to be repeated and hammered in so that young whites understand how badly the system is rigged against them. Emotions need to be stirred. Perhaps if emotions are stirred hard enough some of our young people might even begin to not be afraid of the label of “racist” for simply looking our for their own interests.

  304. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    December 14, 2012 - 1:53 am | Permalink

    Dr McDonald makes the important point that Jews today are a hostile elite in America (and much of the West) today. It is a tragedy that this fact is not widely understood by White people.

    In 1932 Jews were an extremely hostile elite in the USSR, my own mother was aged 12 and one of five girls in an Orthodox Christian Ukrainian farming family. Her father sent her, then aged 12, to live in a city called Poltava, with a childless Jewish couple. They were paid in Gold and she lived with them for several years before she went to live in the local University. She was not to see her Father again until 1941, by then aged 21, when the German Army rolled through town.

    In 1932 Stalin ordered the Chekka (Secret Police) to confiscate all Grain and other food from the Ukrainian farms. If they met resistance at all, they were ordered to summarily shoot the Farmer and anyone else in the way, in the head, preferably in front of the family members. My Grandfather would have sent his daughter away because of her feisty disposition. She would certainly given the Chekka grief and likely had her Father shot.

    This caused a massive famine, up to Eight Million people perished from starvation. Looking back we now know the USSR was completely dominated by Jews. Their descendants have now a grip on America at least as firm as it was in the old Soviet Union.

    This was a real holocaust, unlike the fake one rammed down out throats by Hollywood. Jews are the World Champions in mass murder, no other tribe in the human family comes close.

  305. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 14, 2012 - 1:48 am | Permalink

    Doctor KMD, what were Kagans scores?
    I did check yr link, from it:
    ‘Just a few years ago Pulitzer Prize-winning former Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Golden published The Price of Admission’

    Gee, I wonder if DG is ‘tribe’?

  306. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 14, 2012 - 1:42 am | Permalink

    What was the ‘secret’?

  307. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 14, 2012 - 1:41 am | Permalink

    Just wondering, whats yr IQ, what year did you take
    SAT and what was yr score?

  308. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 14, 2012 - 1:40 am | Permalink

    Thanks for the run down on DF.
    Jews are the best networkers.
    If smarts = Inventions, Whites and Asians invented most

  309. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    December 14, 2012 - 1:15 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: Here’s the thing: Even if we win the minds of the people–that is to say, even if we wrest control of the narrative–we will likely (almost surely) have lost the demographic war by that time. If we can’t have political independence, we must in the short term seek cultural and economic independence.

    Once we have a core of dedicated people acting in our own best interests, we can start to repopulate and build our own poles of power… then who knows…

  310. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    December 14, 2012 - 12:57 am | Permalink

    @Marcus: Exactly. Hitler is irrelevant. Just like it is irrelevant whether Jews took control of the media, academy, and industrial management of the latter USSR with Stalin’s conniving or over his dead body.

    What is relevant to us is that most modern Germans are brainwashed, and many themselves going into league with Jews; and modern Russia is economically dominated by Jews. It’s not that I don’t find the Second World War interesting, it is just that beyond a superficial understanding of the way in which the narrative we are fed about the War in the West is false, arguing over the finer points isn’t going to benefit us.

    Though if there is one thing a study of history should tell us, it is that secession or political independence without massive technological superiority, backed by sufficient population and industrial capacity, is doomed to failure. Look at what happened to Serbia. Assuming the Northwest (or anywhere else) were to achieve independence, how long do you think it would survive under constant drone attacks? Do you think the multiculturalists would actually send in ground forces? How long do you think whites would tolerate no electricity, depleted uranium, and no gasoline?

    Ironically, I think both Jason Speaks and Fender are on to something–though I think the solution takes a form they would both scoff at. Jason is right that we can’t “go off the grid,” insofar as we can’t all move into the Smokey Mountains and build log cabins and live off of MREs.

    But Fender is right that we have to tune the Jews out. Their control of the narrative is an insidious form of thought control, and we can’t develop naturally or even truly be independent under it’s suffocating weight. We have to, collectively, tune out movies, television, popular music, and literature. We should read old books that have stood the test of time. We should make our own music and encourage our children to be musically literate by teaching them the repertoire and traditional folk music. We should eventually make our own cinema.

    The news media is a bigger problem. We can’t remain ignorant of the state of affairs in the world. But we don’t have the resources to do our own reporting and to develop primary sources–though with the internet this might be feasible with the right kind of organizer. Nevertheless, we need filters to create a counter-narrative based on what objective facts that can be gleaned from the mainstream media. I think that Amren and Vdare are a good start in this regard, but just a start.

    But most of all, we need to support each other economically and professionally. And in this respect, we probably need the Church (one of them, all of them working together, it doesn’t really matter). I think that the economic achievements of the Mormons should be carefully considered.

    We are being economically dispossessed. Those of us who are older– have you been paying attention to “need-based” medicare. That is how the GOP is going to sell us out. That “spending cut” will mean that many of us will be wiped out by medical bills. For those of use who aren’t, the inheritance tax and QE will finish the job, meaning that there will be no financial basis for building families for those of us who are younger. Meanwhile, we can’t get into elite schools, which means it is difficult to become a partner at a big law firm, a VP at a major bank, or a lucrative residency. Again, this dispossession will discourage family building.

    I think we need to act collectively to counter these economic trends. We can start with the money we save from not consuming Jewish entertainment.

    So what does this entail? In essence, financially rewarding those whites who favor our survival. Going out of ones way to use a like-minded accountant, a like-minded lawyer, and a like-minded doctor. Patronizing restaurants owned by like-minded people. Eventually, buying groceries and automobiles from like-minded people. From there, production, even higher education are possibilities…

  311. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    December 14, 2012 - 12:34 am | Permalink

    You’re right. it doesn’t matter how nice we are, if we try to assert ourselves in any way, we are labeled Nazis. KM is labeled that way, David Duke, and even Jared Taylor who refuses to name them. You can’t win if you want ANYTHING for whites. I agree that Hitler was right about some things, but I also agree that to make such a statement in normal public discourse is beyond the pale.
    I will say this…as it is they don’t fear us. I think they SHOULD fear us. I think they really don’t have a handle on how pissed off white people are going to be when they wake up to find their country has been stolen from them. I’m a decent person and yet I have a very hard time controlling my anger over these issues.
    If people start looking into the truth about WWII, the Nazis, The Holocaust, The Bolsheviks, etc., it’s only good for our cause. (Just be sure that the history you read is not written by a Jew.)

  312. mark green's Gravatar mark green
    December 14, 2012 - 12:12 am | Permalink

    Hi Kevin. Thank you for this profound analysis. It deserves to be circulated widely and read by every person interested in the status and well-being of Whites in American as well as their descendents. Well done!

  313. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    December 13, 2012 - 11:36 pm | Permalink

    @fender, looking at that era objectively (which I wholeheartedly support) is one thing, idealizing Hitler is another. Either way, it is really not important for the current situation: we need to confront the real issues facing Europeans everywhere, and exhuming and rehabilitating a long dead dictator and his movement is not the way to do that.

  314. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    December 13, 2012 - 11:13 pm | Permalink

    @Eva: That’s interesting, because I had SAT and ACT scores in the 99th percentile and didn’t get accepted to any Ivy league schools (or any top 20 schools, for that matter). Must have been the fact that I was an Eagle Scout holding me back.

  315. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 13, 2012 - 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the article, for shining a light on these things.

    And for the time and energy (and anything else) put into it.


    I like that you are… thinking outside the box, being creative.

    That seems like such a helpful quality or thing for this movement.

    I want to include a quote that points to something that I think can be very useful for Whites. (Even though the quote happens to be from a Jew named Jon Kabat-Zinn.)

    Tremendous creativity, imagination, and insight arise out of not knowing, out of stillness, out of being.

    And this is a stillness that doesn’t have any problem with movement. This is a silence that doesn’t have any problem with sound.

    Where do new, important insights come from?

    What is the source of creativity?

    (I’m not sure.)

    Considering this particular article and this site in general, I know it’s not ideal to use a quote from a Jew. But I think there’s something very special about what he’s saying. (And I doubt he’s the first person to say it, so it might be unfair to give him credit…)

    Anyway, I like how your story ends.

    “As I held her, we kept silent, while listening to the falling rain and the distant thunder rolling by.”

    There’s something… deeply moving about dark, stormy weather. It’s sort of spiritual. I feel a connection to (White) people that I love, people from my past, and even their ancestors. Maybe that sounds a little corny to some people? But it’s true. Whenever it’s stormy, I feel a beautiful connection to some of the beautiful White people that I’ve known.

    I love sunshine and think it can be great for a person’s mental health, but there’s something comforting and beautiful about dark, stormy weather.

  316. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 13, 2012 - 11:03 pm | Permalink


    “By the way fender, what does it really mean that “Hitler was right””

    Because Hitler and the N*zis are presented to us as the ultimate evil in all of history. This is a jewish perspective; we don’t need to accept it. The jews see the N*zis as evil because they 1.) fought for a White Europe and 2.) fought the jews. We Whites should instead see Hitler and the N*zis as the ultimate good precisely for those same reasons. Whatever moral judgements jews make in regards to history and politics, just flip it and you get the truth.

    Everything we say and do that racially benefits us is going to be connected- by the jews- back to Hitler and the N*zis. There’s no escaping it. It doesn’t matter how you present yourself or how nice you are, if you don’t want to see your race get genocided through miscegenation and multiculturalism, you’re going to be called a N*zi. That’s how extreme and insane things have become: if we want to survive as a people, we’re considered evil.

    As long as Whites consider Hitler and the N*zis as an albatross around their necks (as unfortunately Prof. MacDonald does), they’re going to be pushed around by the jews and will never get anywhere. Accepting that Hitler was right is a HUGE mental hurdle that Whites need to clear (given decades upon decades of brainwashing and outright lies), but it needs to be done if we can ever hope to have moral and intellectual autonomy, free of jewish BS.

  317. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 13, 2012 - 10:25 pm | Permalink


    I feel like you. I insist on using only White American men for everything. It is difficult to find White American men Drs anynmore. So I spent a couple hours on the phone with my health insurer and found that rarest of Drs, a White American man under the age of 40 near my home.

    But who works in his office? About non Drs, each and every one is some sort of hispanic. At least they are not black.
    All my Dr’s 8 partners are affirmative action women. So he is the only White man in the business.

    Don;t you think he could have hired just one, just one White medical assistant or clerk? It is like that everywhere. My bank has about 2 Whites hidden away in the back. Los Angeles is not American. A person can spend an entire week doing errands all over town and not encounter on White person working in any bank, restaurant, store, medical office.

    Hire a White contractor? Who does the work, illegal alien stone age indians straight from Honduras, Belize or some other primitive jungle.

    I have stopped eating in restaurants because from Jack in the box to the most expenisve dinner houses it is straight no Whites need apply. When people ask me out I just invite them over and I cook dinner.

    Some restaurants do have White employees. Those are the immigrant Whites, persians, armenians etc. They take care of each other. But we European Whites discriminate against teach other to an excessive level.

  318. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 13, 2012 - 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the heads up. I will try to catch it live.

  319. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 13, 2012 - 10:22 pm | Permalink

    @thm: Here! Hear! Right on both counts. It is so good to know I am not the only one who is bored to tears with repeating the same conversation over and over – especially since it has no hope of helping our people.

  320. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 13, 2012 - 10:19 pm | Permalink

    @Scott Mollett:
    Let it be noted that once again it is not Christians who bring religion into the conversation. It is irrelevant to this article. it is not merely at critique of the position churches take. It is an insult intended to provoke a fight. Such originality!

  321. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 13, 2012 - 10:15 pm | Permalink


    LOL. The satire is strong in this one. We should also alienate all those who speak English, as it is the language of theives and gluttons. In fact, let’s be hostile to anyone who speaks a European language. If we can just get down to a Hitler-fetishizing, Christian-hating, non-European language speaking group of survivalists who live off the grid and have no contact with social reality, we should make the SPLC very happy!

  322. Eva's Gravatar Eva
    December 13, 2012 - 10:11 pm | Permalink

    (On the basis of Unz’s article, it would be interesting to look at Kagan’s SAT scores!)
    Kagan attended the elite public high school, Hunter College High in NYC. In order to qualify to take the entrance exam for Hunter High School, the (5th grade) students must score at least 90% on the state wide exam in reading and arithmatic. After that only the top scorers on (the second test), the Hunter entrance exam, are selected for admission. I suspect that Kagan’s SAT scores were satisfactory.

  323. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 13, 2012 - 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the information DK. Jews are like the royal family in a monarchy, a tiny, tiny percentage but they have everything.

    Wouldn’t it be nice to put a 1.7 jewish quota in the legal profession. No more anti White lawsuits ruled in favor of the non Whites by judges put in place by jews.

  324. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 13, 2012 - 9:58 pm | Permalink

    This is so depressing. I was in a great mood just having finished all my Christmas shopping,wrapping mailing and all other expenses without having to put anything on a credit card or leave myself short for regular expenses. Then I read this.

    Now I’m just down and depressed. Constantly constantly whining about discrimination. When I was in that about 60 percent Jewish high school from junior year on all I ever heard from my friends was “we’re so brilliant and wonderful but because we’re jews we will be discriminated against when we apply for college” on and on for the last 2 years of high school. After they were accepted all they did was whine that they would not get into a fraternity or whatever. The girls who got accepted into the seven sisters of the ivy league were the worse. “woe woe is me, those rich wasp blondes will be mean to me”

    Dianne Feinstien’s Father’s name was Goldman. Actually, dad was jewish, mom russian orthodox and Dianne was left to decide, She became a jew at 18, probably because she realized it was a lot more advantageous.

    Anyway, she grew up in San Francisco. There are a lot of private schools in San Francisco. Dianne’s parents applied to the 3 most prestigious girl’s schools in town. Those schools are among the elite of the west coast. Schools were Sacred Heart, Burke’s and Hamlin’s, Hamlin’s and Sacred Heart are in Pacific Heights. Burke’s in Sea Cliff.

    Dianne was accepted in 2 of those schools, Burke’s and Sacred Heart. She went to Sacred Heart because she lived in Pacific Heights and Sacred Heart was just a few blocks away.
    Although accepted by Burke’s her Mom turned it down because she did not want to have to drive Dianne back and forth twice a day, Mom wanted a neighborhood school.

    But to this day, 70 years later, Dianne often refers to the fact that she was not accepted at Hamlin’s close to home.
    “I too know what it is to be discriminated against” She always says that to blacks and browns and women. And of course when begging for money from rich jews for political purposes
    she always brings that up. “Give me money we jews must stick together against the evil anti semitic goyim, keep me in the senate.” She funnels much of her money to that even worse jew, Barbara Boxer.

    Rich father, raised in an exclusive neighborhood, accepted to 2 but not all 3 of the elite girl’s schools, 2 very rich and now Blum mega rich billionaire husband she is still resents that 70 years ago she was not accepted at Hamlin’s.

    I have observed that a lot of this concern about anti semitism and discrimination is for socializing and networking purposes. 2 jews meet and after a while they start talking about anti semitism and they bond and start to make friends.

    Just like I start talking about affirmative action and black on White crime and make friends with people who agree with me, jews use anti semitsm to make friends. Of course Foxman and the rest of the jews who make a profession of being jews use anti semitism to make millions of dollars a year.

    I personally don’t believe ashekanzi jews are all that brilliant.
    Average 110 is not all that great. It is not even bright normal.
    Average Polish and German IQs are around 106 and 107. Ashekanzi jews are from Germany and Poland mostly. The russian jews are from the russian sector of Poland mostly. Sephardic jews IQs are lower from living among arabs for centuries. The Neast European jews have IQs similiar to the christians with whom they lived for centuries.

    I didn’t notice that the Jews with whom I went to high school were all that more brilliant than the rest of us. They were reasonably smart of course, but we all were, because our parents were smart enough to earn enough money to buy homes and raise kids in an expensive suburb.

    End of the year state required achievement test scores were always reported in the town newspaper. I know the catholic parish grade school always had a higher score in the yearly achievement tests than the mostly jewish public grade schools in town. That school was about half irish, half sicilian with a lot of first generation sicilians.

    My high school was very big on everyone must go to college and made a big deal of it. They put the names and scores of the students with SAT scores over 1300 on bulletin boards. I don’t remember any jews who got over 1300. For you younger readers, back in the old days the highest score was 1600

    I’ve been around jews all my life and I have never seen any difference between a bright normal jew and a bright normal goy.

  325. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    December 13, 2012 - 9:53 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor: Gregor forgot to mention the DAY the show airs, dang it!

    It’s this Saturday morning, December 15, from 8-11am Pacific time.

    Apparently, Dr. MacDonald will be on during the first hour, from 8-9am.

    Hope to see some TOO’ers in the chat.

  326. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    December 13, 2012 - 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Well…actually….the German experience is pertinent because of the eerie parallels. Nazism is the mirror image of Judaism, and this become crystal clear with a bit of research. In fact, the answer to our problem NOW is the same, which means that we have to circle the wagons and start playing ingroup/outgroup hardball the same way those bastards play.

  327. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 13, 2012 - 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Good point, Scott! You are right, those Christians are useless in the cause of protecting European ethnic existence. Just like you say, Christians are just useful idiots who are no good for anything except as cannon fodder. You hit on another good way to improve the comment section here at TOO. Let’s drive those Christians out of here!

  328. Scott Mollett's Gravatar Scott Mollett
    December 13, 2012 - 9:27 pm | Permalink

    I just want to read the comments on the last post. I want to make a statement before the religous anti religous talk starts like it does on every thread.

    Christians answer the question put to you about the FACT that all of your churches preach divirsity. Ignoring this super strong point makes you look dumb.

    Non Christians. Shhh this war is going to eventually need cannon fodder and these people can be usefull idiots in the end.

  329. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 13, 2012 - 9:18 pm | Permalink


    Thank you for bringing Adolf Hitler into the thread. It is a really good thing to associate European ethnic interests with Hitler and NS.

    Yes, lets turn this and every comment thread here at TOO into in-depth discussions about Hitler and how he and NS etc are relevant to the problems European ethnic people face today. There is no better way to motivate the many readers of this blog that this is a cause that they would want to work for and get behind.

    Yes, let every thread here at TOO, no matter what the subject, devolve into discussions about and praise for Hitler and NS.

    Yeah, that will work.

  330. Taras's Gravatar Taras
    December 13, 2012 - 8:56 pm | Permalink

    That is why I do not watch the Talmudvision very much anymore. Ditto for their movies. Both reveal the violent ethnic cleansing that is coming against us at the hands of these murderous, genocidal usurpers who most definitely are an illegitmate elite. I regard them as hostile religious and racial aliens towards who I harbor total contempt. I encourage people to stop watching TV, stop going to movies, and not to serve in the armed forces. To do that is to be an accomplice of the Jews, who would love nothing better than to send whites to shoot and kill other whites who choose not to bow down to Jewish hegemoney and supremacism.

  331. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    December 13, 2012 - 8:46 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby, it reminds me of the Ynet article entitled “How did American Jews get so rich?” Can you imagine what would happen to a Gentile journalist who even mentioned the godzilla in the room issue of Jewish wealth and privilege in passing?

  332. Excellent's Gravatar Excellent
    December 13, 2012 - 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Agreed: this is a breakthrough article, Kevin, – both your analysis and the Unz study

    It confirms in black and white what Orwell said in Animal Farm, effectively that “the victims on the bottom, once they get power, do the same thing their supposed masters do.”

    Power is as power does. It is time Whites face reality and get a backbone.

  333. December 13, 2012 - 8:21 pm | Permalink

    100% agree. thanks.
    strut around like its an extension of Asia
    this is the typical attitude of Asians. When you ask them how diverse is Korea, China, Taiwan, Vietnam, they cry foul. Its all a big con game.
    sad but true. Whites are ultimately allowing this to happen. The topic of next TOQ issue, White Pathology

  334. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 13, 2012 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    @fender: By the way fender, what does it really mean that “Hitler was right” Hitler was one person. One person cannot be the best dancer, writer, artist, poet, musician, scientist,etc. If Germany was great, it was because of the highly educated masses. When the great scientist, Max Planck,(quantum theory originater and one of the greatest of all time possibly greater than Einstein) met Hitler, Hitler began talking about physics and science. What did Planck say to a fellow scientists after that conversation with Hitler, ” I never heard such ridiculous talk”.

  335. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 13, 2012 - 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Fellow posters, I realize I shouldn’t get on whites with statements like I made, but honestly, when do whites get serious? Everyone talks about hopeless drunks, who aren’t worth supporting with a handout because they’ll just go and use the money to continue in their drunkeness. The same thing goes for drug addicts. The same thing goes for people who crash on their credit, who are judged to be irresponsible. Yet how much more serious are issues like the one above, that directly concern whites along with their children, friends and other family? Yet they just SUCK IT UP. Can anyone really feel sorry for such a crowd?

  336. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    December 13, 2012 - 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Some good news! Dr. MacDonald will be on yet another radio show!

    Dennis Fetcho of the “Inside the Eye Live” show at the Oracle network will have Kevin on as a guest for one hour of his three-hour show. The live show airs from 8:00am – 11:00am (pacific), and has a live chat. Here’s the link to the network homepage, where there is a live show feed linked …

    The live chat is at:

    If you don’t catch the live show, you can pick up the archive for free at .

    If you love TOO, you’ll find quite a few other shows at Oracle which “hit similar points” as TOO does. Who says we don’t have our own media! We just need to know where to find it, and get others to it.

  337. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 13, 2012 - 7:35 pm | Permalink

    @fender: P.S. “when they admit that Hitler was right”. Refer back to my post.


  338. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 13, 2012 - 7:34 pm | Permalink

    @fender: That will happen fender, when millions of whites break the habit of being the humongous B-TTLICKING SYCOPHANTIC MORONS THEY ARE. I have worked in several different occupations, and I know what I’m talking about. I have seen whites, backstabbing and selling out other whites, over and over and over.

  339. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 13, 2012 - 7:31 pm | Permalink


    “When will white people actually grow some BALLS?”

    When they admit that Hitler was right.

  340. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 13, 2012 - 7:29 pm | Permalink

    What cracks me up about Unz, is that despite the fact they he is Jewish, he is one of those extremely intelligent people of the type, that simply writes and says what he thinks is true after he’s convinced it’s true.

  341. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 13, 2012 - 7:27 pm | Permalink

    If the under representation of whites in the elite collleges is beyond discussion, as Dr. MacDonald writes in the article, than whites are ultimately to blame, as I have said before. When will white people actually grow some BALLS? Come on, it isn’t a minor question? On every major issue that affects whites negatively in this country, they simply remain mute. If there is one rule Jewish people have always followed, it’s the sqeaky wheel gets the grease etc.

  342. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    December 13, 2012 - 7:12 pm | Permalink

    @Sandman: Asians come in wealthy, tiger parent their cubs, and strut around like it’s an extention of Asia thinking the place had no identity prior to their arrival. They do indeed come in wealthy and get wealthier as the parents return to low tax China and leave their offspring here to benefit from all the free education and amenities. To be fair, they treat their own people back home pretty bad too and without the home based semi slave labour and the Canadian subsidies I doubt if they would do so well. Of course I could be wrong and all those houses and condos that they are buying at the top of the market will just continue to go on up. Sadly, they are also buying up all the gold and securing mines too. I guess we Canadians are pretty dumb.

  343. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 13, 2012 - 7:08 pm | Permalink

    The Israelis simply exclude the Orthodox anyone else who might bring the test score level down.,7340,L-4318945,00.html

  344. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    December 13, 2012 - 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Great research by Ron Unz showing the glaring double standards. But the typical American White likely believes that Jews have earned entry into all top institutions every time. Whites just assume that the system is fair because of the constant media illusions. The typical White student will not question Jewish or Asian hegemony and probably need something like a quota system just to get through the door. Even so, think of the advantages in hiring that Asians will have when so much of our business is going Eastward. And look at Canada for a glimpse of the future. Asians come in wealthy, tiger parent their cubs, and strut around like it’s an extention of Asia thinking the place had no identity prior to their arrival. But a quota system will be meaningless without a total transformation of White thinking across the board. It’s all or nothing. Otherwise you might as well live on a White Reservation of some type.

  345. Joe McCarthy's Gravatar Joe McCarthy
    December 13, 2012 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    If anyone is interested in knowing what the Jews will do if we try to point out that they are a distinct group, consider what happened not too long ago at the City University of New York when some naive faculty member — so naive that they must’ve have really thought that diversity was all about … diversity — that they tried to suggest that Jews be their own ethnic group.

    For a people that is so proud, yet denies vehemently that they are up to anything, their response is one that will make you fall of your chair laughing, saying to yourself, “I just can’t believe it. They really are that arrogant.”

    I just can’t believe these people. I can’t.

  346. Steve's Gravatar Steve
    December 13, 2012 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Excellent article by Professor MacDonald.
    Of the eight Ivy League schools, six have Jewish presidents. The remaining two presidents have Jewish spouses. Let’s hope that this information about the gross over-representation of Jews will incite protest.

    And here’s a little something I wrote with hopes of waking up those that are not in-the-know. In the past I tried to simply convey the facts about Jewish control, but many would shy away due to political correctness. This time I took a more subtle approach by creating a story along with the facts. I hope you’ll enjoy it, and please feel free to circulate it.

    A Day at the Mall (Anna’s Awakening)

    My fiancée Anna suggested we go to the mall.
    I asked where in particular. “Kohl’s” she replied.
    Just out of the blue I mentioned that Kohl’s is Jewish owned.
    “Are you racist?” she quickly replied.
    I said no, just stating a fact about the store we’re heading to. And since we were on the topic, I also mentioned that a Jewish company, the Simon Property Group, owns many US malls.

    While on our way there, I mentioned that Interpublic Group is Kohl’s ad agency and is Jewish owned.
    Anna replied “I think you’re racist”.
    I simply replied that I’m just stating another fact.
    While we were on the subject, I also told Anna that of the four largest advertising agencies on earth, three are Jewish owned, and that most of the adverts we see on TV and in print are Jewish created.
    “I did not know that” replied Anna.

    While in the mall, Anna couldn’t help but notice the vast numbers of Latinos, Indians, Asians, Muslims, and Blacks at the mall also. Anna felt she was in a foreign country.
    I told Anna that it’s due to the 1965 Emmanuel Celler Immigration Act, which was created and sponsored by the Jewish Lobby, and that by 2040 Whites will be a minority in their own country.
    “You mean that’s why there are so many immigrants here?” asked Anna.
    “Yep” I replied.

    While leaving the store, Anna mentioned that the cashiers no longer wish her a Merry Christmas, but instead say Happy Holidays.
    I told Anna that since 1940, there have been no less than thirteen Supreme Court cases initiated by the Jewish Lobby that completely forced Christianity out of the public’s eye, from public prayer to nativity scenes to cross displays, yet Jews are allowed to display the Menorah publicly.
    “That’s so sad”, said Anna with a frown.

    During our coffee break, Anna mentioned that the post office where she works has more minorities working there than Whites.
    I told Anna that the main reason why her employer hires more minorities that Whites is due to the1964 Civil Rights Act which was strongly sponsored by Jewish congressman Celler and the Jewish Lobby that forced workplace integration and initiated Affirmative Action. It’s blatant reverse discrimination and no one is able to stop it due to the power of the Jewish Lobby today.
    Add to this the 1954 Brown v Board of Ed, spearheaded by the Jewish Lobby, which forced school integration.

    After leaving the store, I told Anna that the money she used to pay for her jeans was printed at the Federal Reserve, which was created by Jews and still owned by Jews.
    “No way” said Anna. “The government runs it”.
    I smirked a little, and told Anna that the Federal Reserve is a privately run Jewish cabal, owned by nine Jewish families and banks, plus the Rockefellers.
    “You got to be kidding me” Anna replied in dismay.

    While driving from the store, Anna told me she’s proud that her brother was accepted in Harvard. She also said it’s such a liberal school and that the school will grant a new charter for gays, lesbians, and transgender.
    I told Anna that of the eight Ivy League schools, six have Jewish presidents. The remaining two school presidents have Jewish spouses. I explained to Anna that Jews have always voted Democratic and are Left liberals, always strongly promoting equal rights, immigration, and diversity. On the other hand, Jews in Israel strongly oppose diversity, intermarriage, and immigration.

    As we relaxed in front of the TV, I mentioned to Anna that practically every movie, commercial, or sitcom she’s known was either produced, directed, written, and/or starred Jews. I asked her to simply name her favorite movie or sitcom, and see if I’m wrong.
    While we were on the topic, I also said that most major media companies, including Disney, are Jewish owned.

    Anna mentioned that most of the TV commercials, shows, and movies portray Blacks in a positive light and Whites in a negative way, and that there are so many Blacks in commercials these days.
    I told Anna that it’s due to strict Jewish control of the mass media.
    Anna’s facial expression said it all.

    As we were watching the news, Anna asked why each minority group has their own political committee, such as La Raza, NAACP, etc., but Whites have none.
    I told Anna that’s it’s strictly due to Jewish political and media control. Each time Whites attempt to start a group of their own, they are quickly demonized as Nazis, anti-Semitic, and racist. Each ethnic group has dozens of groups to further their interests, with Jews having hundreds, but Whites aren’t allowed one.

    At the end of the day, Anna’s demeanor soured a little.
    “Life’s not the same after what I learned today. Jews control the media, banking, and politics, plus we’re being governed and controlled by Jews, and we’re facing a slow genocide without anyone doing anything? I can’t believe this is happening! I always thought Jews were nice, and that they suffered so much for so long.”

    I told Anna the reason why Jews have been kicked out of dozens of places over the last two millennia is not because of anti-Semitism, but because of Jewish ethnocentricity. Jews sometimes gain control their host nation, and just now we’re seeing the fruits of their labor for global control.

    Later that night, Anna asked me to hold her tightly because she feared for the future. As I held her, we kept silent, while listening to the falling rain and the distant thunder rolling by.

  347. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    December 13, 2012 - 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Yes Jewish “intellectuals” will only play up their ethnic identity when it serves their purposes, i.e. “playing the victim.” Otherwise they will present themselves as self-loathing whites in order to inspire idealistic white youths or women and to encourage non-whites to be more aggressive. Textbook examples of this are Susan “Sontag”, Mikhail Lyubansky, Bill Maher, Jon “Stewart,” and Tim Wise. Naturally, for them a meritocracy is a Jewish oligarchy supported by a quiescent, amorphous gentile host.

  348. KT's Gravatar KT
    December 13, 2012 - 5:14 pm | Permalink

    This excellent article puts me in mind of the Weimer Republic, history does indeed repeat itself.

  349. Mulegino's Gravatar Mulegino
    December 13, 2012 - 4:38 pm | Permalink

    “The fact that what are commonly spoken of as rights are often really privileges is demonstrated in the case of the Jews. They resent bitterly their exclusion from certain hotels, resorts and other places of gathering, and make determined efforts to horn in. But the moment any considerable number of them horns in, the attractions of the place diminish, and the more pushful Jews turn to one where they are still nicht gewuenscht …(‘not wanted.’)”
    H.L. Mencken

    Mencken, as usual, hits the nail right in the head. Historically, Jews follow in the wake of creativity, industry, and culture, they never lead. They expect to be the beneficiaries of the creative and industrious efforts of others; they do not, for the most part, build great institutions, they only burrow into them once they have been built up, and this way, they gain effective control over them. Once the enterprise they have taken over is ruined, they proceed to the next one.

  350. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    December 13, 2012 - 4:28 pm | Permalink

    One relatively simple act might be to file a complaint with the U.S. Department of Education. The response could be interesting.

  351. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 13, 2012 - 4:11 pm | Permalink

    The best thing Whites can do in regard to jews is to stop listening to them. Stop caring what they have to say about anything, stop giving them your attention, and stop taking their interests to heart.

  352. celtthedog's Gravatar celtthedog
    December 13, 2012 - 4:07 pm | Permalink

    @Sanjay: According to the logic of MacDonald’s (and Unz’s) article, you’d have to ensure that Jews were not classified as “white”. Otherwise, you’d be back to square one.
    Also, stopping non-white immigration into the US would be a more effective way to stop Asians from swamping the universities.

  353. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 13, 2012 - 4:00 pm | Permalink

    I believe that the infamous “anti-Semitic” quotas for the Ivy League colleges and universities, back in the day, were all set to at least 10% of a school’s overall student body. In contrast, here are the actual percentages of Jews in the United States, decade by decade, dating back to nearly the beginning of the Republic:

    Year % Jewish
    1790 0.04%
    1800 0.04%
    1810 0.04%
    1820 0.03%
    1830 0.05%
    1840 0.09%
    1850 0.22%
    1860 0.48%
    1870 0.52%
    1880 0.51%
    1890 0.64%
    1900 1.39%
    1910 1.93%
    1920 3.20%
    1930 3.43%
    1940 3.61%
    1950 3.30%
    1960 2.96%
    1970 2.66%
    1980 2.43%
    1990 2.22%
    2000 1.88%
    2010 1.71%

    So, at their worst, circa 1940, the infamous quotas all admitted at least 277% of Jewish students, compared to the Jewish proportion of the overall American population. “Oh, the humanity…!”

  354. December 13, 2012 - 3:06 pm | Permalink

    this article further bolsters the view that Whites should not fight to eliminate affirmative action.

    They should instead fight for explicit White quotas. Asians can work 24/7, become test taking champs and cream Whites in admissions.

    Whites culture is different, we like to take 2 days off, spend time with our wives and children, spend time outdoors, live a wholesome life.

    Explicit white quotas will be better in the long run for Whites, as it will motivate them to boost their fertility, and strengthen their white identity as well.

    Anything which boosts white fertility is good, healthy and noble, whereas any policy initiative that undermines it is evil.

  355. k's Gravatar k
    December 13, 2012 - 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Emily Bazelon is a Jewish activist involved with AIPAC and other Jewish causes. Yet she says a low birth rates for white people are a “good thing” and that whites should be discriminated against by colleges.

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