Where is the historical West? Part 2 of 5

Kevin MacDonald

Carleton Coon

What follows is a revised paper trying to answer the same question while taking account of the prohibited criteria of race. This is not a paper on the geographical distribution of the Caucasoid race. The objective is to ascertain the historical geography of Western civilization/culture without ignoring race. The concept of race will be implicit rather than the subject of investigation. I will accept as generally true the standard investigation of Carleton S. Coon’s book, The Living Races of Man, published in 1965. Humans are members of the species Homo sapiens, and all the members of this species, regardless of geographic location, can breed together and produce mixed offspring.  However, “humans also vary racially to an unusual degree,” and thus it is possible to divide humans into sub-species of races. While there is (still) no general consensus on the number of races, the term “race” is sufficiently precise to allow for a general classification of humans on earth. For the purposes of this paper, it should suffice to mention that, according to Coon, the three major sub-species of races are: Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Congoid. He identifies four more races. He also draws further divisions within each of these main racial types to take account of important additional morphological differences, geographical variations, and the ways in which different environments engendered cultures which “profoundly” affected the character of the races. The following succinct statement by Coon is worth quoting:

A race is a major segment of a species originally occupying, since the first dispersal of mankind, a large, geographically unified, and distinct region, and touching on the territories of other races only by relatively narrow corridors. Within such a region each race acquired its distinctive genetic attributes – both its visible physical appearance and its invisible biological properties – through the selective forces of all aspects of the environment, including culture. After having become differentiated in this fashion, each race filled out its space, resisting, because of its superior local adaptation, the encroachment of outsiders with whom it mixed, from time to time if not continuously, along its borders (p. 10).

But what about the much talked-about difference between ethnicity and race? The more we emphasize culture the closer we are to the concept of ethnicity. The term “race” pays closer attention to the genetic attributes of a given group, whereas when the term “ethnicity” pays closer attention to the cultural attributes of a group, i.e., language, religion, customs, institutions, and historical experiences. This does not mean that ethnicity excludes the genetics of race. Liberals think they can suppress the concept of race by defining ethnicity in cultural terms and thereby defining race as a “cultural construct”. Coon correctly avoids this arbitrary elimination of physiological and genetic factors from his definition of race without ignoring the importance of culture. I use the term ethnicity as an intermediate term between race and culture. Western civilization comprises many ethnic groups with difference languages, cuisines, histories, which are nevertheless members of the Caucasoid race. Likewise there are many ethnic groups within the Mongoloid and Congoid sub-species.   


Non-Western Civilizations are Easy

Now, with this nod to the importance of race, here is a revised answer to the question: where is the historical West? The West is, by far, the most difficult civilization to trace geographically. Non-Western civilizations are relatively easy to locate on historical maps. Their borders and sizes may have changed over time, they may have disappeared altogether, but we can straightforwardly identify Mesopotamian civilizations, the ancient Sumerian city-states (3000-2340 BC), the Akkadian Empire (2340-2150 BC), the rise of the Sumerian city at Ur (2112-2000), which witnessed a final flowering of Sumerian culture, or the Amorites/Old Babylonians, rulers of this region from 2000 to about 1550, best known for the Code of Hammurabi (1700s).  We can identify the cultures/civilizations of ancient Egypt, the Mayas, Aztecs, Incas, the empire of Ghana (900-1180 AD), the Songhai Kingdom in Africa (1450-1600). We can also identify the Shang dynasty (1766-1050 BC), known as the first Chinese civilization, and all subsequent kingdoms up until the current territory of China. The borders of China certainly changed over time, sometimes it was unified under a stable dynastic order extended over a wide area, sometimes it was divided into two dynasties, sometimes occupied by external rulers (as was the case when the Mongols ruled, 1206-1368), and sometimes the country was characterized by intense competition between city-states each dominated by its own dynasty (as was the case during the Warring States period, 481-221 BC).   But these happenings occurred within a clearly identifiable geographic location. The overall tendency of China’s history has been toward occupation and dispossession of non-Han ethnic peoples by the Han majority. From their original homeland along the Yellow River, the Han Chinese, through successive waves of immigration, demographic expansion, and bureaucratic consolidation, dispossessed one ethnic group after another, from the tropical regions below the Yangtze River, from the jungles of the southwest regions known as Guangdong, Guangxi, Guizhou, and from Yunnan and Sichuan. During the 1700s, “Outer China,” a vast territory controlled by Mongols, Turkish and Tibetan-stock peoples, was taken over politically and demographically. During 1800s, Manchuria and Taiwan were forcibly colonized and the indigenous cultures liquidated. Tibet’s inhabitants are currently experiencing displacement by masses of Chinese migrants. Thus was born The People’s Republic of China, a clearly identifiable civilization with a clearly identifiable ethnic character.  According to the 2010 census, 91.51% of the population in China is ethnic Han.

Throughout its entire history Japanese civilization, except for its short lived empire in the 1930s and 40s, has generally remained located where Japan is today, with its own unique ethnicity even though it borrowed much from China (its writing system, the ideas of Confucianism and Buddhism, the bureaucratic methods of government, city-planning, road systems, artistic and architectural styles). The ethnic Japanese, which is often use in some contexts to refer to smaller sub-ethnic Japanese groups such as the Yamato, Ainu and Ryukyuan people, comprise 98.5 percent of the total population, with the rest consisting mostly of Koreans and Chinese.  Today, as the world’s third largest trading nation, Japan’s economy is tightly enmeshed with the world’s economy; and yet Japan is still a separate place enjoying the same ethnic homogeneity of the past, unwilling to open its borders to immigration despite a fertility rate standing at 1.1 children per woman, coupled with the oldest population in the world. When we look at a historic map of Japan we are certain it is the land of the Japanese.

Islamic civilization is trickier to identify on a map. The term “Islamic” and Muslim” do not refer to a common racial, ethnic, or national group. It refers today, and through the course of much of its history, after Islam expanded out of the Arabian lands in the 7th century, to a wide variety of cultures, ethnic groups, and nation-states. From its beginnings, it expanded into areas previously populated not just by other ethnic groups and cultures but by far more advanced civilizations. These civilizations were conquered by Arabic forces, including the lands of ancient Mesopotamia, Persia, Egypt, and former Roman lands. although historians speak of the “golden age of Islamic civilization” under the Abbasid Dynasty, which ruled from the mid-8th century until the mid-13th century across the near East, north Africa, and Spain, this “golden age” was a blending of Persian, Mesopotamian, Egyptian, and Greco-Roman achievements, mostly borrowings with some Muslim input in pharmaceutics, optics, and astronomy.

In the 1400s, the Turks, a people from the steppes, who had converted to Islam, conquered much of Greece (widely seen as the birth place of Western civilization), capturing Constantinople in 1453, and replacing Byzantium with the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans would expand right to the “gates of Vienna” in the 1500s. Earlier Muslims came to occupy most of the Visigoth Kingdom in Spain in 716 AD (only the northern reaches of Spain remaining in Christian hands), though Islamic Spain was eventually reconquered by the Spaniards by the end of the 15th century. Today, all of North Africa, parts of sub-Sahara Africa and most of Eastern Africa is Muslim; and so is Pakistan, huge parts of India, and Indonesia.

Despite this geographical and cultural diversity, scholars readily identify these lands as part of the Muslim world. They do so in the degree to which they agree that the term “Muslim world” is a religious term which refers to those who adhere to the teachings of Islam. While the Islamic world covers countries with varying ethnicities; religiously speaking Muslim places include locations where one can identify a community of Muslims (Ummah) living under the precepts of the Koran, a religious text which universalizes the term “Muslim” by applying it to the tribe-writ-large, the whole Muslim world envisioned as a single people. The Islamic world numbers between 1.2 and 1.6 billion people, roughly one-fifth of humanity, spread across many different sovereign states and ethnic groups but consisting almost entirely of non-Whites and non-Orientals. The initial expansion during the Umayyad period (660-750) should be seen as an Arabic effort to wrest control away from Greco-Roman and Persian influences in the name of a Semitic Empire with its own Semitic religion determined to govern the fates of men with the arbitrary despotism typical of an Eastern monarch.

India is touted today as the most multicultural, ethnically diverse country in the world. This country is home to four major racial groups, which overlap due to racial admixture: Caucasoids, Australoids, Mongoloids and Negritos. With over two thousand ethnic groups, four major families of languages, and multiple religions (Hindus do comprise the vast majority at 80.5 percent with Islam at 13.4 percent), India, in the words of Coon, is “the most complicated geographically, racially, and culturally” (191). Yet all these racial groups are descendants of waves of invaders centuries ago; immigration is practically non-existent today, apart from a trickling of Bangladeshi, Pakistani, and Burmese migrants. With its endogamous rules, India has remained racially stable for centuries; its caste divisions have been historically deep, with limited gene flows across racial boundaries.  The racial differences that exist can still be traced back to the migrations into India before Christ. The Indian racial populations can be well demarcated as separate from most of the other Asian populations, from the Persian Gulf, Arabia, Burma, China, Vietnamese and Malayan lands. It is not a complicated land to locate on a map; historically the country has always been located more or less in the same place.

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44 Comments to "Where is the historical West? Part 2 of 5"

  1. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 5, 2012 - 7:18 pm | Permalink

    @Richard Williams:
    Thank you so much for your comment. Perhaps we can take Gringo, Honky and Round eye nation wide? I would love to see an organization which educates and supports local groups who raise awareness.

  2. PrincessD's Gravatar PrincessD
    December 5, 2012 - 2:21 pm | Permalink

    @Heather Blue: Agreed 100%

  3. PrincessD's Gravatar PrincessD
    December 5, 2012 - 1:08 pm | Permalink

    @<a href="#co@Jason Speaks: I know where my power comes from, you don’t?

    33 Then builded they the city of David with a great and strong wall, and with mighty towers, and made it a strong hold for them. 34 And they put therein a sinful nation, wicked men, and fortified themselves therein. 35 They stored it also with armour and victuals, and when they had gathered together the spoils of Jerusalem, they laid them up there, and so they became a sore snare: 36 For it was a place to lie in wait against the sanctuary, and an evil adversary to Israel. * THERES TONS OF PUZZLES IN TRUE HISTORY, ALL U HAVE TO DO IS LOOK…

  4. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 5, 2012 - 12:06 am | Permalink

    @Marcus: I watch the slow-motion destruction of the Euro with great interest. The pendulum is moving away from Brussels, giving hope to separatists of all shades, messy though it will be.

  5. December 4, 2012 - 10:59 pm | Permalink

    I doubt fender means North Korea. That will mean collectivized farms, state owned barber shops and restaurants, one state controlled TV channel. Starvation and destitution.

    What he meant was less plutocracy and more white cohesion, so that wealthy whites generously help lower status Whites do well in life, not run around like puppy dogs of Jews.

    Hierarchic Harmony.

    And a strong White govt which defends White interests with tariffs, strong national defense, White centric curriculum in schools, vigorously.

  6. Richard Williams's Gravatar Richard Williams
    December 4, 2012 - 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Alice Teller, I’m not sure what Mickey Meadows would have to say about “power,” but here’s one point of view. Power is the ability to exercise policy decision-making on behalf of one or another demographic affinity group which will be viewed mostly as legitimate by most members of that group. But how do the diverse white Americans get power?

    The first step will be to distinguish between fact and fantasy. The latter includes all the sweeping analyses of the “problem.” We live the problem…we don’t need it chewed to death…we need ideas for local projects.

    The second step will be to quietly encourage local groups of diverse white Americans to learn how to use their white voices in a white-centric way to speak out about displacement, demonization, text books, government publications, etc.

    (Here’s an example. Our city published an arts magazine oddly enough in September 2001 that claimed there were too many white people in our city and in the arts. We couldn’t get traction on criticizing the city’s expenditure in behalf of propaganda advocating our dispossession, so we took thought and filed as lobbyists under the name, “Gringo, Honky, and Round-Eye,” and it really grabbed attention. We didn’t attack another group, we just planted that little explosion amongst the city mothers and fathers. While it wasn’t our intention, the arts magazine was terminated, but some white people were educated about ways to capture issues and to illuminate them.)

    And of course that is the problem because white Americans define themselves in opposition to blacks, yellows, and browns. It is an unusual white American who sees himself or herself as a member of a legitimate demographic affinity group with the right to pick his or her own label, and to demand that his or her children have the right to a decent sense of dignity, and not just a critic of blacks, yellows, or browns, however much those other groups need criticism.

    But that’s how we get power…not with pronunciamentos, analyses, and disordered categories of discourse. We get power through the effect of start ups in every village, township, county, and city in America.

  7. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    December 4, 2012 - 8:55 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant, an omnipotent central gov is totally contrary to European traditions. Eventually such governments will reduce the population to enfeebled dependants, as happened in Europe and is happening in the US. I hate FDR, but he was right when he called federal subsidies a “a subtle destroyer of the human spirit.” We need to return to our roots as vigorous independent peoples. The tradition of civic spirit and constrained gov should not be confused with modern “individualism”: there was much stronger group identification in republican and feudal than in imperial societies where the populace was inevitably alienated from a ruling class.

  8. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 4, 2012 - 8:43 pm | Permalink

    I geometric progression can occur much faster than people think. It’s exponential growth – or decline. It starts off slow and stays that way for a long time and then there is a rapid growth/decline.

    Half the people in the US had blue eyes a hundred years ago. Today it is one out of six. Look for this number (and the number of whites) to drop dramatically, faster than anyone expected in the coming years.


  9. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 4, 2012 - 8:09 pm | Permalink

    @Alexander: I couldn’t agree more with most of your post Mr. Alexander. I would gladly embrace the English heritage you spoke of in another post. Strange however, that even in England, the idea of religion, and Sunday being a day of rest, draws a sour response from the British I’ve met and talked to, since I brought up these very topics to a few British that have recently (last twenty years) arrived to these shores.

  10. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 4, 2012 - 8:03 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Sounds like you might like North Korea. Authoritarian, centralized, racially pure, anti-capitalistic and no Big Macs or Ron Pauls.

  11. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 4, 2012 - 6:29 pm | Permalink

    @Sanjay: To your excellent points on the desirability of higher distribution of these works:

    Freely available electronic versions under Creative Commons do not preclude the sales of paper books. They are different, but complementary markets. Many who do read the works electronically will go on to buy the paper versions as gifts, etc. Narrated versions would be great for those pressed for time.

    In the music sphere, Nine Inch Nails understood the new paradigm, Meticallica didn’t.

  12. starera's Gravatar starera
    December 4, 2012 - 5:11 pm | Permalink

    @Andrew, yes, in my view
    “The persons responsible are typically from the far right of the European race’s bell curve, the Isaac Newtons, Carl Gausses et. al, essentially supermen a step above their common brethren. I hypothesize that this segment of the human population, which has probably been in existence since the stone age, is solely capable of producing major advancements,”
    is the key. Other races do not produce those at the far high end of the bell curve; that is the key difference between white and yellow innovation levels, but see below.

    Yes again to
    “Also very serious is the dysgenic effect that innovation has had on the European gene pool, a process which is estimated to have started around 200 years ago following the industrial revolution. The quality of the gene pool has been in significant and accelerating decline ever since.”
    In my view the dysgenic effect has been profound and could indeed destroy our race if allowed to continue.

  13. December 4, 2012 - 1:41 pm | Permalink

    “Humans are members of the species Homo sapiens, and all the members of this species, regardless of geographic location, can breed together and produce mixed offspring.”
    This may be true, but lions breeding with tigers can produce offspring as well. The same can be said for horses, donkeys and zebras. The real point is that in nature they don’t, or do so extremely rarely.
    Misgenation in Homo Sapiens has been happening for millenia, but more out of conquest or slavery, than choice. Where it did happen by choice, both parents and offspring were ostracized. This is the case in all populations, regardless of locations. The Koreans and Vietnamese didn’t welcome babies of their women and Caucasian soldiers with open arms. During the black revolt in Haiti, white women were raped first before being killed, as the were in the Mau Mau uprising. I know Jews that have married outside the tribe, they have paid the price. I know Indians and Chinese in the same predicament. Their “communities” for the most part, do not approve.
    It is only more recently that misgenation has been made “acceptable”, and it has been made so by berating anyone (white) by referring to them as a racist or bigot.
    Black rappers and hip hop “artists” refered to to impregnatiing white women as “plutin” – polluting. They get it, why don’t whites?

  14. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    December 4, 2012 - 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Yes the Persians were Indo-Europeans and therefore more closely related to Greeks than the indigenous Mideastern people. However they quickly adopted Mesopotamian style of government with centralized gov, bureaucracy and also art and architecture (you can tell a lot about a people’s values by looking at its monuments). It should also be noted that the civil society of the Greeks and Romans (in their early history) didn’t mean they were weak and unable to defend themselves: that came after being ruled by a powerful imperial state that was interested in a docile herd-like population to finance its glory. The old republican Romans were all about sacrifice for the nation and had great social capital.

  15. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 4, 2012 - 11:59 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Would you please expand on the power we need? Thanks.

  16. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 4, 2012 - 11:50 am | Permalink

    On the news right now, the shock of some sleep little town in the Netherlands after a teenage football match turns to violence resulting in the death of one of the parents who was also helping referee the match.
    Three teens from Nieuw Sloten football club have been charged with manslaughter. It’s not said so in the article, but it is easy to find out that the club has tried hard in recent years to integrate kids from African heritage backgrounds. This is the background of those that have been charged.

  17. December 4, 2012 - 10:00 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Power is the ability to execute or get things done. Power comes from sexual abstinence, healthy lifestyle, good positive attitude, strong drive, devotion to god, family, wife, children, strong identity and self esteem, ability to accumulate wealth, sophisticated personality and leading a productive (and reproductive) life.

    @Mickey Meadows:
    I believe what you are proposing is a $0.00 kindle version for the trilogy and Cultural insurrections. I believe it is upto KMac to decide if he wants to do that. It is certainly worth it for several reasons.

    Amazon is one of the top 5 sites visited by Americans and the likelihood that people would stumble upon KMac’s books is higher than them visiting TOO or TOQ.

    almost 1/3 of Americans have kindle or e-reader devices and the percentages will only rise with time.

    People are more likely to use their credit cards etc on Amazon due to (correct) perceptions that the the likelihood of identity theft is lower.

    I strongly recommend that Prof. MacDonald/ His Publisher takes action in this regard. A free or low cost ($3) copy of all 4 books will go a long way to increase readership and awareness.

    It is my view that PTSDA is the toughest to read and grasp, its very academic in tone and structure, whereas Cultural Insurrections and C-o-C are much easier to read.

    I suspect KMac consciously made an attempt to make CoC and Insurrections more readable and intellectually accessible to masses.

    However, it is worthwhile to have all 4 books available on kindle at low cost ($3, like PTSDA) or even free (as Mickey suggests). I hope KMac will strongly consider my suggestions.

    Unlike Duke or others, KMac has the academic credentials and rigor to make a compelling case and sway the opinion of significant section of White intelligentsia.

    I recall a TOO post from a few months ago, where a Math Lecturer in UK openly cited PTSDA on his website.

    Intelligent people will take KMac’s core arguments seriously. I am myself a PhD and I was never satisfied with Duke’s book or other loose writings from other people, but KMac was the first to convince me that this whole “Jew” thing is basically a recurrent ethnic conflict which has not been resolved for last 2300 years.

    This is serious scholarship and I hope we can have significant people on our side before Jews succeed with their hate speech laws and abolish Ist Amendment.

  18. Alexander's Gravatar Alexander
    December 4, 2012 - 9:27 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    We don’t need additional power, Mr. meadows, we need conviction of will.
    A moratorium on any immigration, outlawing citizenship based upon birth. Making English our national language, and re-christianize the nation celebrating Sunday as a day of worship, and rest.

    All the ingredients for an American white renaissance are intake. It is the absence of will that handicaps us.

  19. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 4, 2012 - 9:14 am | Permalink


    I think this is one of those rare occasions where a proposition along the lines of “pay for these books later if you think they are worth it” would work well. People will retrospectively pay.

  20. December 4, 2012 - 8:57 am | Permalink

    Entire PDF copies of Culture of Critique and SAID are available free to download on the internet, but PTSDA and Cultural Insurrections can only be downloaded chapter by chapter which is somewhat tedious and unattractive.

    Whatever little we can do in the effort to make it easier for people to read these 4 books should be done.

  21. December 4, 2012 - 8:54 am | Permalink

    We need affordable paperback ($9.99) and kindle ($3.47) versions of the trilogy and Cultural Insurrections.

    I doubt people (sheeple) would want to pay $30+ for these books, even though the trilogy is worth a Gazillion $, perhaps even priceless, if you consider its impact on understanding Western Civilization.

    So far only PTSDA, the first book in the trilogy is available on Amazon.

    I hope Prof. MacDonald will do something about it, since according to Amazon, the publisher is responsible for making kindle versions available.

    For example, look at Amazon link at the right

  22. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 4, 2012 - 6:10 am | Permalink


    Where are you going to get the POWER to start creating your society?

    For that matter, what is POWER? It gets talked about so little by WN. I think it is not understood very well.

  23. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 4, 2012 - 5:22 am | Permalink

    Repost of Bob Whitaker on the coming decline of the US to third world status:

    An asymptote is a line where the number gets nearer and nearer zero but never reaches it. A downward geometric progression produces an asymptote in a diagram: half is closer to zero than one, half of that is a quarter and is closer to zero, and so on. You never reach zero.

    Brown immigrants to a white country can live very much on the same level as whites. But each brown person also makes up part of the new country. The problem is that the influences of brown skinned people continue unabated. The standards set by the originally white country set a huge barrier on the country’s downward movement. But that barrier on downward movement is asymptotic.

    The basic genetic factor of an increasing brown population is genetic. It remains level. So, as we have observed in America and Western Europe, formerly white countries become more and more like colored countries.

    This is a basic calculus concept. People think in arithmetic terms.

    What is particularly confusing to the arithmetic mindset is that we are not going exactly DOWN.


    The white ruled world was advancing rapidly. For one who thinks arithmetically it is easy to see this as proof that the colored increase has not hurt anything.

    So it is impossible to explain to a libertarian that the increase in wages for a brown person who crosses the American borders is not a free good.

    The immigrant is passing from a brown-ruled land to a white-ruled land so his wages quadruple. The libertarian thinks this increased wage is a free good.

    As I pointed out thirty years ago in an economics seminar and a major book, “Mexico is poor because it is populated by Mexicans.”

    As the American population becomes more third world, the first thing that happens is that its rate of progress drops. That is simple REAL mathematics.

    That decrese has already gone to the rate of stagnation.

    Soon this reality will not be hidden behind asymptosis. We will actually begin the obvious DECLINE toward brown world, aka, third world status.

    This is what I fear. At some point, we will get a sharp break in our standard of living. Maybe not “the collapse” long yearned for, but a definite drop. All the things Whites were doing – exploring space, going to other planets, curing diseases, radically improving health – it will all end if we don’t stop this.

  24. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 4, 2012 - 5:11 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: On rubbers and rubbery science:

  25. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    December 4, 2012 - 4:25 am | Permalink

    Mr. Corbulo,
    I am impressed by your valiant and well-written effort to condense a huge topic into a fairly small series of articles. I can’t help but complicate matters though by mentioning European man’s contribution to other world cultures. Most of this is covered fairly well in the online book, “March of the Titans,” which is fairly well documented, though there are some inaccuracies there.

    It is intriguing to note the existence of the Tocharians, ancient Caucasians that lived across Central Asia, extending even to modern-day China. It is likely that these people contributed/transmitted many of the most important technological developments to Chinese civilization such as writing and bronze metallurgy. These people was among those liquidated by Asian expansion.

    Also intriguing is the strong hypothesis that Europeans brought civilization to the New World, proposed by Thor Hyerdahl, based on a number of phenomena and unlikely coincidences such as the similarity between the New World culture and that of the Nordics living on the Canary islands (wiped out by the Spanish soon after Columbus’s expedition).

    Perhaps this is European hubris, but there is a good case to be made that the European mind is particularly gifted when it comes to invention, innovation and creativity. Charles Murray provides evidence that the West is responsible for 97% of major scientific achievements between 800BC and 1950AD. The persons responsible are typically from the far right of the European race’s bell curve, the Isaac Newtons, Carl Gausses et. al, essentially supermen a step above their common brethren. I hypothesize that this segment of the human population, which has probably been in existence since the stone age, is solely capable of producing major advancements.

    This spark of genius has provided a boon for civilization, but has had devastating effects for the European race. The developments in food production, medicine, etc. provided to the non-European world have resulted in massive non-White population increases and an easy way to travel to European nations. Also very serious is the dysgenic effect that innovation has had on the European gene pool, a process which is estimated to have started around 200 years ago following the industrial revolution. The quality of the gene pool has been in significant and accelerating decline ever since.

  26. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 4, 2012 - 3:29 am | Permalink

    Just read another “study” by main stream medicine. Friends who have “casual sex” are safer than couples who are in a serious relationship. You see, the serious couple might not wear condoms but the “casual friends” more often do. ISN’T THAT NICE? One night stands are safer than getting serious afterall. Ah ha……..

  27. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    December 4, 2012 - 1:25 am | Permalink


    Excellent comments, and let’s not forget that even in ultra-liberal Enlightenment America, the franchise was limited to white property-owning men. If memory serves, the voting age was typically 21 or so.

    So this means democracy was limited to the military/militia class, generally, men who at that age would be typically married, with children, and inheiriting and working for property.

    The idea that any random person physically birthed geographically inside North America is automatically a voting citizen at the magic age of 18 would have been considered the height of insanity to the vast majority of the founding Americans.

  28. starera's Gravatar starera
    December 4, 2012 - 12:21 am | Permalink

    @Achaean, re “Not yet ready to let go of classical liberalism, or to believe that cultural Marxism was an inevitable development of it.”

    Yes, classical liberalism is merely an expression of the natural ideals of our race and is something to be proud of. The claim that it inevitably leads to cultural Marxism is nonsense. It is the feminization of the West which inevitably led to cultural Marxism. “The transformation was so quick, and for this reason I think we should pay attention to more immediate causes rather than blaming the entire course of Western history,” is the key, the move to universal suffrage was the crucial factor in bringing about the decline, and that happened only in the past century.

  29. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 4, 2012 - 12:16 am | Permalink

    @Heather Blue: The analogy of the Good Samaritan is misplaced. The latter gave of his own purse. Governments’ giving is not charity. It’s all too easy to give away others’ property.

  30. starera's Gravatar starera
    December 4, 2012 - 12:09 am | Permalink

    @fender, you are so right with “The goal should be a hierarchical, aristocratic, eugenics-driven Europe.” You are incorrect about “the founding principles themselves were all wrong” however, the concept of a limited democracy was a good one, the main flaw was in not putting limits upon democracy. The founders did not anticipate that the limited suffrage then existing would be expanded to include everybody over 18 years and consequently we find ourselves where we are now. The America of the founders was indeed “hierarchical, aristocratic, and eugenics-driven.”

  31. The Goy Chevalier's Gravatar The Goy Chevalier
    December 3, 2012 - 8:17 pm | Permalink

    This brings me to a seemingly unrelated point, but one that I think will leave an impression on minds truly capable of “fleshing it all out.” My point is rendered in the form of a question: What was the first third party (political) formed in the United States? Why did it cease to be an effective approach? In researching that question, any bleeding-heart American may come across facts that are more than disheartening.

  32. The Goy Chevalier's Gravatar The Goy Chevalier
    December 3, 2012 - 8:14 pm | Permalink

    @fender: You want that, huh? Read Dostoievsky’s diary. What are you willing to accept in the place of empty slogans and hollow ideals? I fundamentally agree with you.

    The most important thing to be gleaned from your post, in my opinion (and I’ve made this point elsewhere) is that if one undertakes a truly diligent study of history, they soon will learn that the principles upon which the American “nation” were founded were nothing but the manifestation of esoteric liberalism designed to destroy civilization from the inside out.

  33. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 3, 2012 - 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Marcus is sooo right about the ancient division between more or less democratic mertiocratic west ( Greece) and east (Persia) Persians and Greeks are part of the same hordes of Whites who went west from the borders of China and Mongolia at some point,8,000 BC or so, but their culture was very very different.

    At this point, western civilization is determined to destroy its own people and civilization. Since the “west” wants me, my children and grandchildren dead and gone, I certainly don’t care about the survival of western civilization and its homeland in Europe and the Americas.

  34. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 3, 2012 - 7:28 pm | Permalink

    “Asia begins 50 miles east of Vienna” Old Austrian saying.

  35. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    December 3, 2012 - 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Freedom can’t be divorced from eugenics. Race is all we have in the end. Being forced to tolerate alien races is the opposite of freedom. There’s no free choice in that at all wether you call it pluralism or whatever. So tired of being told we have freedom in America. And Fender is right about capitalism because it’s an intrinsically disloyal system which is the first to embrace multiculturalism and all the buzzwords like inclusion,pluralism,diversity, etc. It’s too easy of a system to be manipulated by foreigners and the internal enemy. They manipulate it and sit there like princes who own the nation outright telling us race means nothing.

  36. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    December 3, 2012 - 5:37 pm | Permalink


    go back to the founding principles of America

    White supremacy and manifest destiny?

  37. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    December 3, 2012 - 5:17 pm | Permalink

    @Roman Bernard:
    The map of the Islamic world in this article shows its extent into Asia/Indonesia; the term “Oriental” has changed over time, and one of its meanings is “Far East”, possibly the intended meaning here. Non-Asian would not have worked either (and Non-Black). So, by “non-Orientals” the artible may mean not Chinese, Japanese, and Korean, the ethnic power houses of the East.

  38. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    December 3, 2012 - 4:51 pm | Permalink

    @ Fender, Actually the idea of the West goes back much further, to Herodotus or even Homer, the latter ascribes what would later be recognizably “asiatic” traits to the Trojans, eg Priam and his many wives. Greek thinkers expounded on the distinguishing features of East and West very thoroughly. What helped set the West apart was its emphasis on the rights of the individual against the state, as opposed to the Asiatics, who were more or less willing to serve whichever despot happened to hold the reins of power.

  39. Alexander's Gravatar Alexander
    December 3, 2012 - 4:33 pm | Permalink


    Both Fender and Heather’s remarks represent a solution to our chaotic morally bankrupt caucasion society. Progress, at last.

    Fender, like me, wants a nation based upon blood as I have stated before we are born to blood, not soil. This is key. No one can possibly be American because they are born on her soil. It simply makes no sense. Current law needs changing.

    Heather re-enforces this definition of an American society through christian values of hard work, obedience, loyalty, honor and fidelity to what we all know to be true and righteous.

    In short, we have a template cut here today of what Americans should look like and how they should behave.

  40. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    December 3, 2012 - 3:37 pm | Permalink

    This is one of the most interesting articles I’ve ever read. It takes more than one reading. In my opinion.

    Fender, I don’t think the western civilization is any worse than any civilization. Except we are living in a global world now and things happen on a global scale. That presents a sobering thought.

    We have to clean up our own mental health. We are addicted to helping every race under the sun to the extreme that we face genocide…..open borders, impulse-giving, misplaced pity, dysfunction ideas about good will toward men, taking the good Samaritan act beyond its original intention of exposing the true nature of the self Chosen (who passed on by) and making ourselves servants of barbarians.

    What are we doing that aids and abets our demise? What is wrong with our own mental state? Are we conditioning our children to act against their racial interests? Are we failing to condition them to act in their own interests? Do we as individuals have the right to think or act in ways that inflict destruction on the rest of us? Are we so anxious to prove our lack of malice that we bring other races into our communities, our schools, our churches, our social circles without giving one thought the consequences? Do white individuals – or religious organizations – have the right to inflict destructive behavior on all of us?

    It is obvious the Jews beat the drums to make us dysfunctional and working against ourselves. It is mental warfare. We have got to restore our own mental health and rid it of Jewish indoctrination. Don’t blame Christianity. Those who think they are being good Christians are influenced by Jews and indirectly making Christianity the culprit for their actions. The Lord made it clear He came that we might have life – not genocide. We need to take that seriously.

  41. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    December 3, 2012 - 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Not yet ready to let go of classical liberalism, or to believe that cultural Marxism was an inevitable development of it. I may agree with you at some point but I keep wondering about the way it was in the 1950s, even 60s, and what happened in the next decades; the transformation was so quick, and for this reason I think we should pay attention to more immediate causes rather than blaming the entire course of Western history, or tracing everything back to Christianity or to the rise of classical liberalism. Maybe the interwar fascists were right, but maybe cultural Marxism is a degeneration of liberalism, a take over of liberal societies by anti-liberal and anti-Western forces. Remember that Madison Grant and many others of similar minds were classical liberals, as far as I know. Liberalism is intrinsic to the Western identity but not the liberalism of the post-WWII era, feminism, racial equality, etc. These currents were added later, and although they do have links with classical liberalism, we need not give up liberalism altogether. Race is a key presupposition of classical liberalism since only whites developed liberalism, and liberalism has deep roots in Western history, and therefore in Western traditions, collective ways. Classical liberalism was delimited by this historical background, heritage, and white ethnicity.

    Liberal Paris in the 1950s was not bad:
    People know things were alright then:
    This radical transformation came recently:
    Africans in Paris:

  42. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 3, 2012 - 3:23 pm | Permalink

    @Roman Bernard:

    Of all of the labels currently in use for the world’s various races and ethnicities, none is more ludicrous than “Asian”– residents and descendants of the largest and most diverse continent on the planet!

  43. Roman Bernard's Gravatar Roman Bernard
    December 3, 2012 - 3:16 pm | Permalink

    The Islamic world numbers between 1.2 and 1.6 billion people, roughly one-fifth of humanity, spread across many different sovereign states and ethnic groups but consisting almost entirely of non-Whites and non-Orientals.

    What do you mean by “Orientals”? If you’re referring to Asians, then the Indonesians and the Malays are hundreds of millions, and they’re Muslims.

  44. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 3, 2012 - 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Western Civilization is part of the problem. When you speak of “The West” you’re typically referring to something that only came into existence in about 1000 AD. Before that there was no concept of “The West.”

    Western Civilization is founded on bad philosophy, and the sooner it’s destroyed, the better. We can either save” the West” or we can save Europe, and if we save “The West” (i.e. a civilization rooted in egalitarianism, capitalism, and liberalism) then we destroy Europe.

    It’s like those dumb secessionists who want to “go back to the founding principles of America” or whatever, not realizing that the founding principles themselves were all wrong. Even if some parts of America broke away and went back to the Constitution it wouldn’t be long before they went down the same path of progressive liberalism and social decay.

    The goal should be a hierarchical, aristocratic, eugenics-driven Europe. None of this stuff about “rights,” “equality, “tolerance,” and all the other buzzwords that liberals and conservatives alike worship. I have no wish to live in a capitalistic, decentralized, nhilistic civilization like these secessionists and Ron Paul/Jared Taylor-types want. Give me a strong central government that supports and advances its people before giving me the liberty to eat McDonalds and watch crappy TV shows.

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