Ted Sallis: The American Third Position Party (A3P) is a new political party that purports to represent the interests of the white American majority. As such, it is a refreshing change from the standard Republicrat/Democan one-party system and gives hope that, finally, the political system can be used to further our specific group interests.
These are early days and one cannot make any definitive conclusions about A3P at this point. However, some progress has been made, and the party has put forth some initial positions on major issues, so it is worthwhile to examine these. Readers are urged to look at A3P’s program and policies. I have no major disagreement with their stance on crime, economy, education, etc. Instead, I would like to take a closer look at two of their major policy initiatives. Emphasis added to all quotes.
The following summarizes the party’s key positions on immigration:
To safeguard our identity and culture, and to maintain the very existence of our nation, we will immediately put an indefinite moratorium on all immigration. Recognizing our people’s right to safety, and respecting the sanctity of the rule of law, we will immediately deport all criminal and illegal aliens. We believe, too, that American citizenship should be exclusive and meaningful. As such, the American Third Position will end the practice of automatic birthright-citizenship for children of illegal aliens. To restore, with civility, the identity and culture of our homeland, we will provide incentives for recent, legal immigrants to return to their respective lands.
This is good – stopping the influx, deportation of illegals, and an end to the concept of “anything goes” birthright citizenship. Even more impressively, the possibility of repatriation of “recent, legal immigrants” is brought up – the only instance of an American political party raising the “R” issue. I would like even more – a more comprehensive repatriation program for example, but this is a good start. Also:
Immigration affects our culture. It affects the way we feel, act, and operate within a community. It affects whether or not we can have actual communities at all. It affects our welfare and livelihood in ways that are immeasurable, aside from the efforts we go to in protecting against it. Immigration erodes our culture and sense of identity. In cities where many cultures meet, there is an atmosphere of hostility. Neighborhoods become atomized, and a true community is never established.
True and good, but it’s not only culture. Not surprisingly, I would like to have seen a more explicitly Salterian mention of the actual physical, demographic, biological effects of immigration. They add:
While we accept that ethnic minorities are, and will always be, part of America, we want our will to be observed and exercised as it should be, and as it should have been. We have a right to sovereignty and to exercise our will as a people. We want an America that is recognizable to us, one that we can feel comfortable in. We believe that this desire is not unique to our nation or our own people, and we believe that all people’s have a right to sovereignty. Accordingly, we will stop all immigration into America, except in special cases. To help restore our national identity, we will offer generous grants to recent immigrants who have a desire to return to their countries of origin. While this can be easily repositioned by a media who is hostile to our people or to a political establishment who relies on recent immigrants for votes, we only mean to create a system of mutual benefit, where the wills of both parties are observed and respected, as they should be. Wherever a recent immigrant has a need to get back home but is without the resources to do as much, we will lend a helping hand.
I don’t know about the first set of phrases, but I understand that this party needs to navigate within the streams of the politically possible – for now – and that a too radical program at first may be difficult. A contrasting argument would be that it’s a mistake to start off too moderate. An initial moderate stance may “lock in” this moderation and prevent future shifts toward more radical positions since, having attracted a mass of more moderate supporters at the beginning, the party would be loathe to lose that support by shifting towards more radical solutions to the pressing problems of race, culture, and nation. Truth be told, I’m more supportive of the latter mindset – that it is better to lay your cards on the table at the beginning and build in depth with more revolutionary support. Of course, the assumption here is that the A3P leadership and I actually agree on these more radical ideals. It may be that our vision is not congruent, and that the party program is what it is because that’s what the party leaders want it to be. And, of course, A3P leadership has the right to formulate their own party’s positions as they see fit. I merely make suggestions and offer some contrary views.
The A3P also has an excellent position on space exploration.
This is important; I am a very strong supporter of space exploration (both manned and unmanned). This is part of Western Man’s Faustian soul, will yield important information and discoveries, and, hopefully, eventually lead to Western Man’s expansion into, and colonization of, space (assuming of course we are not first Third Worldized out of existence). That the A3P has included space exploration as a key part of their program is therefore encouraging and demonstrates a willingness to look at long-term objectives, and also the ability to look beyond the standard “right-wing fare” (immigration, economy, crime, etc.).
One point though is that they should go beyond space exploration and put together a broader position on overall science and Technology. In other words they should also: encourage the development of alternative and novel sources of energy, promote advances in biomedical research (which should include not only basic research and that aimed at disease therapeutics, but also research on race and eugenics), stimulate development of advanced computing, and encourage continued and expanded research into the fabric of the universe and of reality itself (e.g., astronomy and, especially, both theoretical and applied advanced physics, cosmology, etc). Further, Americans need to be in the lead of what can be called “global disaster abatement” – research aimed at investigating and, if possible, preventing asteroid strikes, super volcano eruptions, pandemics, environmental degradation, etc. While some of the latter may seem like “science fiction,” that is more a function of our limited knowledge and imagination than it is to any real limitation of the possibilities.
The A3P can also state an interest in Western cultural artifacts – an interest in opposing the current “Winter” of our High Culture, and its sewer-like degraded atmosphere, with a contrasting encouragement of Western cultural rebirth and the creation of a civilization that can make us, our ancestors, and our posterity proud.
In summary, there is some more work to be done and I hope that a bit of constructive criticism will be appreciated. However, all in all, A3P seems at this point to be a very positive development, and I wish them well.
A major concern is that the landscape of “movement” history is littered with the scattered remnants of past projects that, initially, looked promising and generated enthusiasm, but quickly petered out due to lack of progress and direction, infighting, the action of infiltrators and agent provocateurs, diminished interest of activists with short attention spans, and the ability of the establishment to use a variety of methods to thwart nationalist progress. We can hope that things will be different this time.
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Ted,
I also like the A3P. Reading between the lines, I think it is almost certain that they would like to repatriate the entire third world horde if possible, but this just isnt a realistic option at this point. Politics is the game of what is possible, and the A3P’s platform seems realistic, rather than too “hard core” at this point, though of course we expect that this would be a start, and we hope for more in the futre.
In regard to their space exploration plank, I think that its probably unnecessary. Remember that the purpose of the party is to pursue White interests. When going beyond that, there will be a tendency to alienate potential supporters. Space exploration isnt really necessary for White survival, it is probably a relatively minor issue that can be resolved if and when an A3P candidate becomes president and appoints top NASA staff (which is quite a ways off). It is conceivable that senior citizens who strongly support an end to illegal immigration also strongly oppose spending 300 billion to send men to Mars; why insert an unnecessary potential bone of contention within the party? Likewise, I think that the other planks you recommend (environmental policies, biomedical research) might be classified as “pet projects” that are better left out of a party platform. I am sure that I have pet projects I would like A3P to adopt, but that you would not agree with, and likewise for hundreds of other A3P supporters.
I think its best to concentrate on the critical issues (immigration, for example), and leave the rest to being hashed out in ad hoc legislation once the A3P is in power. Our race can survive without biomedical research, but unrestricted immigration could be our death knell.
It’s absurd to expect anything from this. I am guessing that in the whole US, there are only 70 million ethnonationalists and 68 million of them are non-white. That’s not to say its not important, it helps shift the system a little less from the left, by making conservatives look less ‘radical.’
On another blog, someone said a better name would be the “American Tradition Party,” which I agree with.
Worsening conditions are going to create a lot more white ethnonationalists. No doubt about it.
We could build upon Oprah’s school in Africa and create industry, housing, a prison and other things that would be an incentive for blacks to move there and a place to send gang bangers and life criminals.
Indiana already has a program where it boards black kids in Africa in hopes of helping them improve their chances at getting an education. This program exists because they understand that blacks cannot function in a White society. Sending immigrants back to their homeland and encouraging others to leave could be spun as a positive thing.
Economic policy could be highlighted in order to appeal to White people who are not race aware. Neo Liberal economics is destroying us.
Space exploration and science are White things, this is what we do, and all the money that has gone down a black hole in the ME should have been used for these things and to improve and restore our public education, so I am all for it. By doing these things we can make the argument that this is where public money should go rather than to Israel and make a great public debate so that people become aware of Jew power. The people ultimately do care where our tax dollars go.
The greatest problem we face is that we have no major media. This could be solved by finding like minded people around the nation who have the resources to use local cable access channels to create our own network. The costs and profits could be shared as well as news and information.
Also I still am hoping that someone will create a calender of White heritage. Everyday when I read “this day in history” I am reminded that White people are responsible for modern civilization. If I had a decent computer I would work at this but I live in a rural area with no broadband which makes creating a calender impossible for me to do.
It’s a nice initiative, but it seems to be a failed strategy, a dead end. Within the political field, it’s better to work within the established Republican Party. But the main thing is, that the solution(s) to our problems do not really belong to politics. Our problems are fundamentally cultural, and they belong to science, journalism, the film industry, economic competition, you name it. What we need is a strong, influential pro-WASP organization to tilt the Republican party in favor of our interests.
Politics is hard work.
I would recommend some practical politics as practiced by the experts, naturally modified for today’s situation:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2810/2810-h/2810-h.htm
Pay particular attention to Chapter 2 “How To Become A Statesman”.
It’s one vote at a time.
It would help to display the A3P mailing address in standard form, rather than on one line. Is the town #423 Westminister, or is it Westminister, CA? http://american3p.org/?page_id=229&category=4
The Republican party cannot be tilted in our direction because the people at the very top are bought off, at least enough of them to keep the party toeing the zionist line. The only way to get the dolts to go our way is for things to tank in key areas on the zionist side. That will happen, but why wait? Enough whites bail on the Republican party and it could be a good start. Why not at least try with the A3P? As things get worse, more whites will wake up. Those that don’t or are too scared we can do without. Sooner or later there is going to have to be a real fight. There is no way around it.
People are ready for another party and are sick of the republicrats which are owned by the Northeastern Jew moneybags.
Every candidates if vetted by Jews, this was the boast of an Israeli newspaper and I believe it. Even Brown who won Ted Kennedy’s senate seat has been vetted by AIPAC and toes the line. Demo or republican the Jews always win.
We have to have a party that cannot be bought, bribed, threatened, intimidated, blackmailed or bankrupted by Jews.
We MUST get Muslims out of our country and then try to save Europe from them. There are at least 35 Muslim organizations in Chicago alone.
We could make a deal to close all of our ME bases and bring our troops home but they have to leave our country. We could condition our policies toward Israel based upon Jews living there, if they don’t then we allow the right of return.
Western Civilization has a right to exist.
When Elvis’ family left MS for Memphis they lived in public housing. It was a single apartment building that is described as being very nice. White people were expected to treat it as temporary while they got employment and were able to move out.
After these places were created for black people they never got off welfare. They created violent, nasty, horrible places where the United States Post office wouldn’t go.
Then they blamed White people for putting them all together in one place. HA. In lieu of a welfare check we could give them a one way ticket to Africa which they could take or leave but they wouldn’t get any more welfare. We have nothing vested in financing their double digit IQ breeding program. We could do the same for Hispanics who would leave in a NY minute if they didn’t get all these welfare benefits.
I have been a a3p member since it’s origin and can say every platform was developed with the protecting our own soverign interest and not those of foriegn invaders who seek to make this mecca, or a banana republic.
I can only pray that enough good men and women of high position continue to join us in our mission to secure a party and a platform for the european american working class who make up the majority in this country and well for a generation or more and who has no power over those “Are In Power”, who seek to remake America into some third world utopia through a modern genocide.
Bill Johonson is a wonderful god fearing Father husband and top in his field. Professor Dr. Kevin Macdonald one of the finest men I have ever met his work insightful honest and scientificly sound, I dare see anyone debate his work on it’s merits. James Kelso another voice of sincere reason for our journey and a man who is known around the world for his radio programs and political cess pool what an amazing trio.
There are many of us who are less well known I am a father of 4 children educated and a professional. While our enemies are many we have no chice but to do as our forfathers and my forefathers have been here 300 years, and they fought against tyranny and so we will also.
JOIN US AND BECOME A MEMBER GET THE COIN AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS MAKE A COMMITMENT TO YOUR GRAND CHILDRENS FUTURE!!
@Gaiseric,
“It’s a nice initiative, but it seems to be a failed strategy, a dead end.”
We dont need this defeatism. Your attitude would not impress Frederick the Great or the multitude of great Westerners who achieved great things in spite of the odds against them. A3P is only a few weeks old, and you are now ready to wave the white flag.
We need lots of different initiatives led by all different types of people. We need academic journals, civil rights organizations, bloggers, everything. This includes political parties that advance White interests. We also need people working within the established parties (maybe that could be you in the Republican party). We need to push the issues on all fronts, in every way possible, discovering what gets traction and results.
We do not need naysayers and defeatists though. Rather than criticizing one group’s efforts, support them and organize your own efforts in a direction that you think is best.
@Andrew: As I said, it’s a nice initiative, and I’m not against it. But: politics is a surface phenomenon. It’s difficult to change the political landscape from within. I will be very difficult – if not impossible – to challenge the status quo without cultural changes on a deeper level.
@ dan neil
I wouldn’t be shy about asking for money. Bullshit walks, and, money talks.
You need to get the A3P address into a standard format, and I take it from Google maps that you are using one of those “mailbox rental type” businesses as an address which is smart. UPS is in that business too.
I think with hard work, you have a chance to effect the politics of California.
Yes and the po box is the standard for any organization. Tom you know we are and I beleive if there are enough good men and woman who rise with the tide we have more than a chance.
“indefinite moratorium on all immigration”
That ought to be rephrased to say something like “indefinite moratorium on all immigration from Latin America, Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, and other non-White areas of the world.”
The USA is still very large and has room to expand, and thus we should not seek to prevent Whites from Europe, South Africa, Australia, and so on from immigrating to America.
More White immigration to the USA is good, while of course non-White immigration is bad.
If the USA got its problems in order very many Europeans might want to immigrate here as they did in the past because many areas of Europe are VERY overcrowded.
Barbara Cornett:”If I had a decent computer I would work at this but I live in a rural area with no broadband which makes creating a calender impossible for me to do.”
You do not need a high speed connection to do something like that. Your calendar idea is good, and it could be done on a blog at WordPress or BlogSpot – you do not need a high speed internet connection to do what you were talking about.
I recommend WordPress — wordpress.com
Barbara said: “Also I still am hoping that someone will create a calender of White heritage. Everyday when I read “this day in history” I am reminded that White people are responsible for modern civilization. If I had a decent computer I would work at this but I live in a rural area with no broadband which makes creating a calender impossible for me to do.”
Barbara: Work on gathering up the information. I know that http://www.toqonline.com/ is interested in adding that kind of feature. Just enter everything into your word processor for now.
I believe a more successful way to wield power in the US system is to form a lobbying group, which Arthur Kemp has suggested. We are familiar with the other lobbying groups who have helped formed policy in Washington (AIPAC, AARP, NRA, etc). Basically, these groups buy off politicians to get their way.
Obviously, any White-oriented lobbying group would need lots and lots of money to do its job but so would a political party like the A3P. The difference is that the lobbying system is not binary like the Republican/Democrat hegemony, which cannot be overcome due to the US Constitution. Given the same amount of money, It seems much more plausible to buy off a few hundred politicians than to build a new party into a contender in the political arena.
From the article above:
One point though is that they should go beyond space exploration and put together a broader position on overall science and Technology. In other words they should also: encourage the development of alternative and novel sources of energy, promote advances in biomedical research (which should include not only basic research and that aimed at disease therapeutics, but also research on race and eugenics), stimulate development of advanced computing, and encourage continued and expanded research into the fabric of the universe and of reality itself (e.g., astronomy and, especially, both theoretical and applied advanced physics, cosmology, etc). Further, Americans need to be in the lead of what can be called “global disaster abatement” – research aimed at investigating and, if possible, preventing asteroid strikes, super volcano eruptions, pandemics, environmental degradation, etc. While some of the latter may seem like “science fiction,” that is more a function of our limited knowledge and imagination than it is to any real limitation of the possibilities.
Nothing demonstrates the intellectual confusion of the racial right better than its technophilia. The expansion of the global technological system has itself caused many of the problems the writer is complaining about. Even those which it has not directly caused, it has enabled. I mean, an enthusiastic supporter of technological expansion voicing concern about environmental degradation? Please. The expansion is the cause of the degradation, and expanding it some more is supposed to help?
Of course, this is the principal reason that our problems seem so intractable. White people keep supporting and strengthening the very technological system that has brought them to the brink of racial ruin. The problems we face are ecological problems caused by the expansion of the system, and we would do well to understand that saving the white race is a problem very much in the same class as saving the snail darter or the spotted owl. If you were trying to save such an endangered species, you wouldn’t introduce chemical agents that would have the effect of lowering its birth rate, or go on search and destroy missions to smash its eggs — but that is what the “advance” of scientific birth control techniques has done. You also wouldn’t flood its environment with competing species from elsewhere — which is what techniques of mass transportation have done. In man, such techniques have destroyed the geographical isolation that is a necessary condition for the persistence of separate races.
The fascination that eugenics holds for the racial right is also interesting. Eugenicists don’t want to preserve the white race so much as use it for a starting point for their program of improvements. If some putative improvement could be made by mixing white DNA with negro DNA or Jewish DNA, they’d have no problem with it. Reading the literature, one gets the impression that their ideal white man would have aspects of all races. He’d have the athletic body of a negro coupled with the inventive brain of a white man and the higher IQ and ethnocentrism of the Jew. Of course, there’s no longer any need to do it the old fashioned way. “Advances” in genetic engineering will soon make all of this possible with lightning speed, and race will then officially become a meaningless concept, at least when applied to humans. Perhaps you are a fan of eugenics and even look forward to such wonderful “progress”. Okay, that’s fine. But don’t pretend that you also wish to preserve the white race, or preserve its culture. Because if you do, you’re not fooling anybody but yourself.
Adam = hypocrite.
Keep trying.
Let’s see:
1. Any race that eschews technology will be displaced by those that do. Inventiveness is a defining characteristic of Whites; we will need to maintain our technological edge in competition with the Yellows, as well as to improve the quality of life.
2. ” I mean, an enthusiastic supporter of technological expansion voicing concern about environmental degradation? Please. The expansion is the cause of the degradation, and expanding it some more is supposed to help?”
That’s completely asinine. Yes, industrialization has caused some degree of environmental degradation. What’s the solution then? For Whites to turn back the clock to a pre-Industrial age? And who’s going to make the Chinese and Indians do the same? There’s no going back.
We can go forward by using our evolved intelligence to solve the problem of sustainable growth and advance in a manner the sustains our ecological niches. However, even then, the coloreds will continue trashing the environment. Apparently, once again, the West will need to share its discoveries with the East, if for no other reason than to prevent the East from wrecking the planet we all share.
These are serious issues. Snide ridicule is no answer.
3. Eugenics does not have to be anti-preservationist. No doubt, there are eugenicists who disregard race and pursue a “Jeurasian” objective. Nevertheless, eugenic improvement can take place in a racially homogenous society. This may include nothing more than promoting reproduction of the more intelligent and capable, and discouraging the replication of the stupid and botched. That would do much to reverse the current regime’s open promotion of dysgenics. Or, is dysgenic “progress” acceptable to some here?
Ted says:
What’s the solution then? For Whites to turn back the clock to a pre-Industrial age? And who’s going to make the Chinese and Indians do the same? There’s no going back.
Ah, but there is. Whether you want to do it or not is a different question. Perhaps after considering what I have to say you will conclude that preserving the white race is not worth it. But at least then you will have been honest. I’m weary of you pecksniffs who prate about wanting to save the white race, but refuse to make the necessary sacrifice.
Let’s start with the basics. It’s important to understand that there is really only one global technological system, which is nothing but the sum total of all techniques. This includes every technique or system of techniques, both physical and non-physical. There are economic techniques, propaganda techniques, manufacturing techniques, political techniques, psychological techniques, etc. By “the global technological system” then, we don’t mean merely physical machinery (although that too is a part of it), but also the entire system of production and support, which forms an interlocking global network.
One implication of this for those who oppose it is that any attack on such a system must be global in scope and wipe it out completely, once and for all. If the attack is only local in its effect, then the result, no matter how initially devastating, will be only temporary. The system will simply be regenerated from the sectors which are not brought down. For example, if such an attack or series of attacks weaken the countries that form the empire of the West, all that will happen is that they will be taken over by the empire of the East. Worse, it’s certain that a regenerated system would evolve to be more totalitarian and oppressive than ever. This makes the problem very difficult.
In spite of all its negative effects, we also can’t expect people to simply decide to voluntarily abandon technology. They love the pleasure and material comfort it brings them too much to do that. That means that when the destruction of the global technological system happens, it’s unlikely to be a result of a large group decision. But it will not require the consent of a majority, and perhaps not the consent of even one person. It could even occur by accident from a technological mishap, or as a result of a natural disaster such as an asteroid strike. In fact, in many ways, this seems to me even more likely than a deliberate attack. However, in such cases the outcome would be random, and not guaranteed to favor the white race.
The Jew and his white sympathizers are the proximate cause of many current difficulties, but the expansion of the global technological system is the ultimate cause. It is invading the natural world, causing severe disruption to its ecology. Destruction of the races of man is just one small part of that, upon which we are focusing our attention here in the self-centered way typical of humans. In addition to the races of man, thousands of species have been and are continuing to be eliminated; whole biomes destroyed through desertification, deforestation, and pollution. It can even credibly be claimed that the further development of the global technological system threatens all life on the planet. Given that fact, what should be done to ensure our continued existence?
First, defenders of the white race must realize that the Jews would have no power over white people without the existence of the global technological system to support it. E.g.: No mass media = no Jewish mind control. No mass transportation techniques = virtually no immigration. No scientific birth control techniques = no feminism. No computers or electronic communications = no federal or state gov’t = no ZOG. Without the technological system to force them together, the races would naturally self-segregate. Once the global technological system has been destroyed — and destroyed on a global basis, not just locally — Jewish power will vanish like dew in the morning sun.
Second, they should realize that we are now in an age in which the global technological system itself poses a greater threat to the continued existence of the white race than even the Jews. The next 50 years will see genetic engineering techniques that will make the natural category of race obsolete and meaningless. Already even today genes are being spliced between species. The expansion of the global technological system will eventually make man/animal hybrids common. Worse, by means of its very structure, the global technological system culls the best from our race. Its very existence is poisonous to us. If a man like Thomas Jefferson were born today — if he were not prevented from being born in the first place by scientific birth control techniques like abortion or the Pill — he’d end up a criminal, probably even be executed. The culture of miscegenation and death that the system promotes is intrinsic to it, and not just the result of Jewish efforts. This culture resulting from the global technological system changes gene frequencies within the white population, and thereby affects and has already affected the underlying genetics of race. Further, it is easy to show that such a system must inevitably act to reshape white genetics to better accord with itself and its expansion. This flaw is both irremediable and profound. It has already produced a race of soft, feminized white men, almost all of whom are unwilling to take the necessary steps to save their own race.
Third, they should try to acquire knowledge of techniques for bringing the global technological system down. Areas of study likely to produce such knowledge are: genetic engineering, nanotechnology, and AI/robotics. See here for more. It’s likely that these techniques could be used to save whites against their will, without their consent. Their deployment doesn’t require a mass movement. No more than a very small group or cell would be required, perhaps even one man working alone. In any case, once the knowledge of how to bring the system down exists, it is inevitable that it will be used.
What will a post-technological era look like? That would depend on a lot of factors, especially the exact method of destruction. Certainly, there will be a much reduced worldwide population. If for no other reason than that white people constitute only a tiny minority of people in the world (about 8% or so), the overwhelming majority (>92%+) of deaths would be among non-whites. Global population might be reduced to one tenth or even one hundredth what it is now. Under certain scenarios, the white race could end up as the only race on the planet. In any case, under primitive technological conditions where there remains more than one race, we can expect the races to self-segregate.
It is probably impossible to destroy primitive techniques such as spear points and snares, but that isn’t really necessary. Perhaps a post-technological world would end up looking like ancient Athens or ancient Rome. But, if they can get that far, what will prevent them from quickly building the global technological system back again? I’m glad you asked. In ancient times, there was still plenty of easy to find materials with which to build technological civilization. Those are gone now, all used up. Resources vital to the technological system such as oil, iron, copper, aluminum, zinc, tin, gold, silver, etc., now require high technology to obtain. If that technology goes away, then they will in effect be permanently unobtainable. In the short term, cities could be effectively mined for materials only if enough people remained to do that, and a distribution network still was in operation, both to distribute the mined materials and to support the miners with food and other necessities of life. This might well not be the case. Such activities are also somewhat constrained by time. If sufficient time passed before salvage began, much material would already have decayed to unusability. Wood and cloth rot, steel rusts, glass fogs and shatters, gasoline and oil oxidize and absorb water and go bad, plastic becomes brittle. A century or two of darkness, or much less, depending on the resource in question, and salvage would be unproductive. A blow to the system of sufficient power to cause a worldwide collapse and a population decrease of the magnitude we are talking about might well be something from which the global technological system could not recover. If an interruption to global technological society is imposed that lasts long enough — a new Dark Age — then the tools to extract those resources will no longer exist, nor the tools and resources to make those tools. In a few generations, even the knowledge of how to do so will be lost.
Ted says:
3. Eugenics does not have to be anti-preservationist. No doubt, there are eugenicists who disregard race and pursue a “Jeurasian” objective. Nevertheless, eugenic improvement can take place in a racially homogenous society. This may include nothing more than promoting reproduction of the more intelligent and capable, and discouraging the replication of the stupid and botched. That would do much to reverse the current regime’s open promotion of dysgenics. Or, is dysgenic “progress” acceptable to some here?
What do you mean, eugenics “doesn’t have to be anti-preservationist”? When they get the opportunity in a few years, do you really expect white people will forego enhancing their IQs just because it will mean making their genome more like the Jews’? Or forego improving their athleticism because it will mean mixing their genes with those of negroes? If so, you’re dreaming. Hell, the way most whites are now, those would be selling points, not negatives. In any case, the forces driving these developments are not controllable. Even if you made such improvements illegal, people would find a way around the law. Nothing’s more certain than that widespread application of eugenic techniques will make race an obsolete category. The easier it becomes, the faster it will happen. Inter-racial gene splicing is nothing more than a high-tech form of miscegenation; just one more way to commit racial suicide.
I’m not going to waste my time answering all of this ranting, but will concentrate on the last: eugenics.
Obviously, a preservationist eugenics is not something I envision in the current system, pursued by whites controlled by that same system.
It is instead quite clear that my mention of eugenics was in the context of the potential program of the A3P; in other words, a eugenics program aimed at whites, for whites, and with the intention of preserving them as whites.
It should seem obvious that a supporter of Salterism would not promote a de facto genetic-misgenenationist eugenics program.
More generally, it should be obvious that applied technology in a nationalist context would not result as what we see today.
Our friend Adam is an inevitabilist – all is out of our control. Technology and eugenics *must* lead to race suicide, you see, so we must promote the global destruction of technology. That’s a great selling point for any modern “movement” or political party, that’s for sure.
How’s this for inevitability: without technology, all humanity will one day be destroyed in a global catastrophe that would have been avoided with technology. It’s…not controllable.
Likely, what we are seeing here is an application of the Sunstein method of “defusing conspiracy theory” through memetic attack on “weak links” in the conspiracy theorists’ (us, by the way) “confused epistemiology.”
Unmoderated comments threads are the death of any racial nationalist blog.
I’m not playing this game on this thread any more.
“It is probably impossible to destroy primitive techniques such as spear points and snares, but that isn’t really necessary.”
When the point is reached in which the destruction of “spear point and snare” “technology” is being considered as necessary or not, we have passed the point at which the smell test of sincerity has failed.
“Adam = hypocrite.
Keep trying.”
More accurate:
Adam = anti-racist activist
“In any case, once the knowledge of how to bring the system down exists, it is inevitable that it will be used.”
Ah, but with the advance of evil technology, this knowledge will inevitably exist. In fact, it either exists today or, inevitably, will exist in the very near future.
Therefore, it is inevitable, quite inevitable, that the global technological system will be destroyed, and this *will* occur (it’s inevitable, as we know) regardless of whether “pecksniffs” like myself support this scenario or not.
Further, as Adam so clearly states, this inevitable collapse of the global technological system will save the White race.
Therefore, it is inevitable, inevitably inevitable, that the White race *will* be saved, regardless of what we think or discuss on this blog.
Therefore again, participation in this blog is useless, since the salvation of the White race through technological destruction is…inevitable.
I suggest that we all refrain from further participation here and begin stockpiling provisions, as well as our spear points and snares, in anticipation of these inevitable events.
Adam, you first.
We MUST get Muslims out of our country and then try to save Europe from them. There are at least 35 Muslim organizations in Chicago alone.
We could make a deal to close all of our ME bases and bring our troops home but they have to leave our country.
Absolutely right. We need such a deal with the Muslims. Someone has to tell them that they are wrong if they think they can have Europe (let alone America). They are only the useful idiots to destroy our homelands. I don’t know if Muslims realize it, but they would have zero chances against a European Europe and an American (European) America. Do they think they “conquer” our countries? All they do is take what they are handed on a silver platter. And their greed will kill them. If the globalists have their way, Muslims will be Europe’s negroes, dangerous to Whites but not dangerous to Jewish power. Even today, the Muslims Europeans complain most about, aren’t praying Islamists but media-influenced ghetto gangster caricatures. Will Europe become pro-Muslim? No, all Muslims in politics are “tolerant” leftist globalists (like Cem Özdemir who works for George Soros’ European Council on Foreign Relations and regularly complains about “antisemitism”). Besides, Europeans will become more pro-Israel because fake-nationalists supported by Jewish money will spin the immigration problem in an anti-Muslim way.
Muslims will have to realize all this. Are there people in the pro-White movement with contacts to the Islamic world? There must be Muslims who understand the problem since they are more aware of Jewish power than Westerners. We can have our countries, they can have theirs. Or both will lose everything. Whites need a pro-White “foreign affairs department” for these sort of questions.
Adam, why would whites want to make their genome like the Jews? Or even more like the Jews? In cognitive ability, Jews have a slightly higher average verbal IQ, but their visuospatial powers are poor. Despite press and propaganda, they’re not all that inventive either, but quite adept at synthesizing the work of others, and taking credit for it. Their success is due to cohesiveness that is ant-like in its structure. Whites could work on expanding their own verbal IQ abilities, visuospatial abilities, and whatever it is that makes whites so inventive in comparison to others. Maybe white inventiveness is due to whites usually being even in the two areas on IQ tests while Jews skew toward high verbal, poor on visuospatial while E. Asians on average score high on visuospatial, poor to below average (in comparison to whites) on verbal. Maybe Adam merely means adding some of the Jewish verbal components, whatever comprises them, to the components whites already possess.
I’ve read enough remarks from the enemy camp to realize a lot of Jews worry about eugenics for two main reasons. First, the thought of whites improving their own stock drives them crazy, even though Jews have been conducting their own eugenics program for thousands of years. Second, they want to control any type of eugenics program, at least where whites are involved, in order to create some type of 80 IQ brown everyman that they can easily control. This is what they hope to achieve with immigration. Publicly the tribe elders will extoll the virtues of race mixing, never mentioning the resulting low intelligence levels. They also work hard to keep their own among their own, and tell us lies such as 50% of Jews marry outside their ethnic group, which is a tremendous whopper.
The A3P is in some ways a symptom of what has gone wrong, a warning of what is coming. I’m not saying the party is wrong, it’s a great thing, sign me up. But whites at some point, en masse, are going to back away from the two major parties. Those two fronts are bought and paid for. We will probably see several parties along the lines of the A3P appear, parties that the media will try to ignore just like they ignored other independent parties in the past. But ignoring them won’t make them go away because whites are being put in a position that will make them act along racial lines whether they consciously realize it or not. Whites will definitely become racially conscious as things move along, because the evil on the other side will have no choice but to step up their campaigns against us. This will make it more and more clear just who is in charge. The overwhelming arrogance and/or self-deception of Jews truly has them believing that most people will not see them as the cause of most of the decay of the US and the West – as many of them might believe they aren’t the cause of the problems. But in reality, technology be damned, the general public always figured out the who and the why, especially when conditions become uncomfortable. That’s where we’re headed and the technological system is merely an adjunct, in some cases a side show.
The A3P, if it gains enough traction, will at some point have to put up with disingenuous Jews trying to join up, attempting to get into positions of control, which they won’t be able to do. Which the Jews realize going in. They merely want to be able to shout “anti-semite” at party members (at this point, it might be good for A3P members to publicly attempt to join the ADL). Sure, they would do this anyway, but watch for the smirking souls who extend a hand, going on and on about all kinds of uncontrollable or misunderstood forces that are wrecking the US, ruining the West, trying to make these forces seem as if they’re more responsible for our problems than the hypocritical, self-aggrandizing bolshevik sob’s behind the curtain.
Ted says:
“In any case, once the knowledge of how to bring the system down exists, it is inevitable that it will be used.”
Ah, but with the advance of evil technology, this knowledge will inevitably exist. In fact, it either exists today or, inevitably, will exist in the very near future.
Generally right, provided that by “very near” we mean, at the outside 100 or 200 years. Even a century or two is very near in an historical context. I regard it as a virtual certainty that by then the knowledge of how to destroy the technological system will emerge. If you read the Bill Joy article I linked to, so does he.
It could happen a lot sooner though. As any system grows more complex, it becomes easier to break. The accelerating pace of technological change is such that every day a thousand new potential vulnerabilities are created. Given human nature, someone will use that knowledge. At least, they will use it if a catastropic mistake doesn’t destroy the system first.
Therefore, it is inevitable, quite inevitable, that the global technological system will be destroyed, and this *will* occur (it’s inevitable, as we know) regardless of whether “pecksniffs” like myself support this scenario or not.
Right again.
Further, as Adam so clearly states, this inevitable collapse of the global technological system will save the White race.
Only if there is one still left to save when it happens. It’s not clear that will be the case much longer. With so-called defenders like Ted in the forefront of trying to expand the very technological system that is killing it, the chance of its survival isn’t very good.
The more emphasis that is placed on the failed strategies of the past, such as building a mass movement, the less attention can be given to approaches that actually will work. The more attention is directed away from the true causes of the white decline, the worse are its prospects for survival. Only through understanding these causes, which are best viewed as ecological disturbances brought about by technological development, can there be any hope of devising a successful strategy to save the white race.
“The more attention is directed away from the true causes of the white decline…”
Which is…technology.
The same technology used by the Yellow races sans the same race suicide.
Very good, very good.
We all must abandon technology, and adopt a “winning strategy” of destroying global technology and returning to the stone age, because a commentator on a blog says so.
Hmmm…destroying the global technological system will also destroy the ability to repatriate remaining non-whites from white lands and, if we are reduced to “spear points and snares” (assuming we are allowed to keep those…Adam hasn’t decided yet), Third World savages can just as easily use those to kill the remaining whites as the reverse.
Hmmm, as well, Adam’s asserted methods for destroying the global technological system include the use of…advanced technology, which, at the same time, we are not supposed to encourage or use.
Time to consult with Sunstein about some confused epistemiology there.
The point is that unmoderated racial nationalist blogs will always – always without fail – attract Sunsteinery Trollery designed to poison the discourse. This is unfortunate, since in an ideal world, an uncensored exchange of ideas can be productive in formulating new strategies. But such a scenario leaves the memetic exchange open to infection by dishonest actors.
It’s happening again, and will continue to happen until such time as blog owners realize the problem and deal with it judiciously.
If they do not, Gresham’s Law of blogging will be in force, again and again.
Now, *that’s* inevitable.
Ted says:
“The more attention is directed away from the true causes of the white decline…”
Which is…technology.
The same technology used by the Yellow races sans the same race suicide.
Give them time. Do you really think that the Chinese or Japanese will forego such hi-tech miscegenation techniques to improve IQ or athleticism — or any other traits that might be named — in the interest of preserving their racial purity? You’re an idiot if you do. Oh, but wait…
This is unfortunate, since in an ideal world, an uncensored exchange of ideas can be productive in formulating new strategies.
The only one refusing to engage ideas here is you. But in the interests of blog peace and harmony, and to avoid humiliating you further with arguments you cannot answer, from now on, I’ll stop commenting on anything you write. The comic book Nazis here can fill in with plenty of “worthwhile” commentary, stuff I’m sure a guy like you will appreciate.
Adam gets crybaby mad when you point out the moon sized holes and contradictions in his ideas. Look at the Swarthmore thread where he has to resort to name calling and misrepresentation. You’re supposed to sit in slack-jawed wonder at his theories and Nostradamus like abilities when it comes to telling all the “nazis” what the future will be. Just another judeo-bolshevik trying to be a bully, believing the tribe’s press releases claiming infallibility in argument. They can’t really argue. They simply try to shout you down or keep you from having a chance to speak at all. In the end, you’ll get a few insults, then he or they will be back under another name. Or three more using the same name. It doesn’t matter. As long as we see what’s going on. And we do.
It’s been said a thousand times; Why do the jews control the media? Because they have to. They don’t control internet and they don’t really have the physical control over whites they ache for. It’s going to drive them to severe action. I can hardly wait for the latest example of their greed and arrogance making them overreach as they always have throughout the centuries.
Captain, I think a lot of people are tired of the jew propaganda that surrounds us 24/7 whether it’s TV, books, newspapers, teachers k thru 12, brainwashed or cowardly college professors and more. That’s why some would favor having the tribe censored here. Their self aggrandizement is getting out of control.
The flip side is the jews are spreading themselves thin. That makes me wonder how thin they are going to stretch us, in terms of using us, before the big break occurs followed by the inevitable backlash. Something they really don’t take seriously. I’d bet a lot of them can’t conceive of that in concrete terms.
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