Kevin MacDonald: On Shutting Down Pro-White Meetings

Kevin MacDonald: William Sheldon’s current TOO article (“Pro-White Conference 2.0”) offers suggestions on how to avoid the aggressive tactics typically used against any meeting that has overtones of White advocacy. The recent cancellation of the AmRen conference and the cancellation of three speeches in America by BNP leader Nick Griffin (including one scheduled for AmRen) indicate a need to come up with a counter strategy. As Sheldon notes, the face-to-face meetings that are enabled by conferences are a crucial ingredient in any organization. Quite a few people attend conferences not so much to hear the speakers but to be able to network with like-minded others. 

Sheldon’s strategy of using Webinar technology would probably work — provide the benefits of a pro-White conference without drawing the attention of their Leftist opponents. It is an excellent prescription for a group that must remain underground in order not to expose its members to the usual costs of being associated with White advocacy (job loss, etc.). 

The downside is that pro-White advocates would be implicitly accepting their status as an underground movement. Such meetings could essentially go on forever without effecting real change in the direction we all want. 

It seems to me that we have to get above-ground visibility. We have to make noise and have a public presence if we are going to make real progress. We have to get in people’s faces and have the courage of our convictions. Hence perhaps Nick Griffin’s “frequently voiced despair over U.S. politics, given its lack of white nationalist parties” (in the WSJ article).

This is one thing that attracted me to American Third Position. The young men who are the backbone of the party go out onto the streets with signs and pamphlets advocating deporting illegals and other issues related to pro-White advocacy. They are not afraid of people spewing in-your-face hostility at them. (Guess what? You may be called a “racist” or a “Nazi.”) They do not hide away in secret conferences or restrict themsleves to discussing issues among themselves on private email lists. 

Nick Griffin dealing with hostility. The caption in the MailOnline: Heavy with hatred: The BNP leader Nick Griffin, typically surrounded by his security men

Quite clearly, the left is well aware that public visibility would be the beginning of the end for their dominance of public discourse. That’s why the mainstream media has given almost no coverage to the cancellations of AmRen or Nick Griffin — the only exception I have come across is a brief mention in the Wall Street Journal. The article is noteworthy for not mentioning anything about the obvious implications for public discourse in America. The tone of the article is that some meetings of far right crazies got shut down — expressed in the same manner as a story on the cancellation of a meeting of the local school board because of a snow storm. Imagine the outrage if meetings of La Raza or the NAACP were shut down with similar tactics. 

Meetings at privately owned facilities are problematic because businesses are likely to cave under the pressure of the left and I suppose that is their right as property owners.  Some people have suggested using government-owned facilities because denial by such a facility would raise First Amendment issues. I think this is a good idea. And we should be ready with attorneys willing to argue on our side if there are attempts at disruptions or if the government attempts to cancel the event for reasons like “public safety.” And we need security forces; and ways to identify the people who are doing the disrupting. 

And it should all be out in the open.

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17 Comments to "Kevin MacDonald: On Shutting Down Pro-White Meetings"

  1. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    March 2, 2010 - 6:19 pm | Permalink

    JOOBAG

    start using names like “Organisation of Celtic Peoples” or “Gathering of Anglo Tribes” “The Anglo Awakening Cultural Conference” etc..try positive messages, bagpipe lessons, highland games, have people make their own kilts – do something other than whine.

    Agreed!

    Its ok to weave your very real messages of black crime against whites etc int your themes

    Eh, black crime is not the main, nor even a major, problem – if anything, one that is easily solved in a mutually beneficial way.

    and remember – Israel is NOT your enemy

    Happy Aliyah! All the best luck in Israel!

  2. JOOBAG's Gravatar JOOBAG
    March 1, 2010 - 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Ok – Also – start using names like “Organisation of Celtic Peoples” or “Gathering of Anglo Tribes” “The Anglo Awakening Cultural Conference” etc..try positive messages, bagpipe lessons, highland games, have people make their own kilts – do something other than whine. Its ok to weave your very real messages of black crime against whites etc int your themes – cmon guys – think !!

    Why – because thats exactly what you ARE doing – stop appologising – have a good meeting guys – and remember – Israel is NOT your enemy ;-)

  3. JOOBAG's Gravatar JOOBAG
    March 1, 2010 - 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Yes – once again it takes the Joobag to teach you wytes a thing or three – meet in the Scottish Rite temples / halls – I went to the womnes wrestling convention there – if they can have womens wrestling – they can have you all – enjoy your meeting ;-)

  4. Ares's Gravatar Ares
    February 28, 2010 - 9:42 pm | Permalink

    You could always try announcing a conference publicly at a venue then privately holding it somewhere else with only the attendees knowing the true location.

  5. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    February 27, 2010 - 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Agreed out in the open and above board is the only way. In any case clandestine web – based organizing would be just as if not more vulnerable to disruption. Former BNP man fined for leaking members list.

    “And we need security forces; and ways to identify the people who are doing the disrupting”

    That will be one of the most tricky things to get right because contrary to what many think, bouncers are not allowed to lay hands on people. Trying to physically eject disruptive elements would be extremely likely to lead to financially exhausting court cases. Security will have to be tough in the sense of being able to take any amount of provocation or even actual assault. Experience in normal security work could be more of a liability than anything else for employment in protecting a White movement because there will be a special situation created by those trying to provoke violence. And of course there will be a double standard applied to any reaction by security for a white movement by police prosecuters judges and civil courts.

    The following was a front page story in the London Times

    The day the BNP said it had changed its ways

  6. Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
    February 27, 2010 - 7:42 am | Permalink

    The impact of conferences is exaggerated. People have to realize that the outdated, centralistic party-model is no longer viable.

  7. pfs's Gravatar pfs
    February 27, 2010 - 7:28 am | Permalink

    William,

    I questioned AmRen leaving the first hotel, right from the beginning. It was not that the police failed to protect the hotel or the guests, is that Jared and AmRen backed out.

    They had a contract, they had room reservations, which are contracts. It seems to me that you cannot show up at a hotel anywhere in this country and have the hotel simply say, “we are cancelling your reservation.”

    Perhaps I am wrong here. Perhaps there was no contract, but a reservation to me is a presumed contract, in which if the person does not show up, he is in default. The hotel is equally in default, if they do not honor the contract.

    Which leads to the point of massive legal suits against the hotel. Bring a lawyer and say you are prepared to sue the hotel for $$$millions for violation of civil rights, discrimination, etc, etc.. That should get someone’s attention. If you voluntarily leave, because they asked you to, you have no case.

    Second, it was Jared’s supporters that urged him on. They were more aggressive and assertive than he was.

    Mind you, I am not questionning his judgment, or his courage, rather, that times have changed and AmRen participants are being far more assertive. Jared has been a very courageous man for years, weighing the pros and cons of going to public venues. Now, it seems a sizeable group of supporters are willing to show and be confrontational. He might recognize that.

    My thought would just to show up at a hotel. All one hundred, two hundred, and not leave. If zombies begin demonstrations, there are criminal laws about disturbing a public gathering, disruptive behavior, etc. Police, in general, want to prevent violence and act accordingly, in separating the unruly, etc. The cop on the beat generally does not want a fight between groups and will work to separate them.

    Yet, it should be pointed out that the American Civil Rights movement in the deep south was conducted in the face of police oppression and brutality.

    It seems that AmRen wants to win a war without confrontation.

    The media is not going to cover the fact that AmRen voluntarily departed, but will cover the confrontation. That is why radical groups promote confrontations. It gives them publicity and encourages their followers.

    My thought is that AmRen should make a reservation, have a contract, have individuals make a reservations and alert the media, get TV crews there, and have the confrontation.

    pfs

  8. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    February 26, 2010 - 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Politics is about control of the police. If you need police present at a meeting, you hire a cop, or cops who are friendly to, or interested in your cause. They might even work cheap.

    I’m sure most cops wouldn’t mind sitting around the door or lobby at a political meeting in a sport coat & tie listening to speeches & discussions at a nice hotel or resort—beats the hell out of working some dive bar.

    Of course Tom Watson is completely correct and everyone should heed this.

  9. Prometheus's Gravatar Prometheus
    February 26, 2010 - 6:47 pm | Permalink

    “And it should all be out in the open.”

    Yes.

    Kevin is once again thinking beyond the immediate concern and to the larger strategic implications.

    The Amren situation needs to be reframed. It was a victory and not a defeat. It is resistance that will in time give the movement strength. The inflection point is not as far off as the MSM makes it appear to be. It seems the opposition understands this better than we do, and this is what motivates their actions.

    It does not matter if it seems hopeless or if the media ignores the injustice. Rome was not built in a day. Edison’s first light bulb idea was not a success. Jesus was laughed at and crucified before the Christian religion dominated the globe. All great men and all great movements start as just a man or a collection of men.

    The soul of European Man has been lead into a dark depression… Yet out of this depression can come strength borne into a beautiful sunrise.

  10. Tom Watson's Gravatar Tom Watson
    February 26, 2010 - 6:29 pm | Permalink

    HA. HA, HA. Aryan Security Corp. LOL.

    Politics is about control of the police. If you need police present at a meeting, you hire a cop, or cops who are friendly to, or interested in your cause. They might even work cheap.

    I’m sure most cops wouldn’t mind sitting around the door or lobby at a political meeting in a sport coat & tie listening to speeches & discussions at a nice hotel or resort—beats the hell out of working some dive bar. LOL.

    Some of you would be politicians are really naive to say the least.

  11. HA's Gravatar HA
    February 26, 2010 - 5:51 pm | Permalink

    An Aryan Security Corps is much needed. I don’t know how well it would go over at AmRen, though. It might remind some of Jared’s guests of marauding Cossacks, or worse.

  12. Tom Watson's Gravatar Tom Watson
    February 26, 2010 - 1:34 pm | Permalink

    I think David Yeagley has the right idea:
    http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2010/02/open_letter_to.php

  13. Heinous Henry's Gravatar Heinous Henry
    February 26, 2010 - 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Whoa can’t believe that Nick Griffin is getting shut down by Leftist Censors as well!

    Nick Griffin is an ELECTED OFFICIAL, are the Leftist Censors who are out in droves to hinder his speaking engagements in fact enemies of Democracy itself??

    This ‘Once White Country’ is quickly going down the drain. Blog readers may not know this, but Amren Conference was at one time carried on C-SPAN back in the 1990s!!! Now it has been dropped down the memory hole and sinister censorious forces are attempting to stop it from occurring at all!

    A massive Leftist Hegemon has been instituted. White Nationalists should look to Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Lech Walsea, and Alexandr Dugin (all successful dissidents under the Leftist Hegemonic Communist system) for strategems and tactics to use in our own efforts!!!

  14. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    February 26, 2010 - 12:22 pm | Permalink

    In regard to conferences like AmRen or EURO, it seems that a logical solution would be to meet somewhere that is immune from cancellation. A government facility or even a church auditorium or conference hall should suffice. Every major city has plenty of these venues available. Attendees would make their own private accommodations in hotels, and then meet at the location. This would also make the event much more affordable.

    To me, this seems like a simple way to quickly solve the problem with protestors. Additional solutions seem unecessary and might complicate matters. For example, I would be reluctant to require technology to attend, as then you may have to deal with Microsoft Windows, which is capable of producing diabolical problems.

  15. dan neil's Gravatar dan neil
    February 26, 2010 - 11:16 am | Permalink

    it is my mission in life to awaken every white man and and woman that may even think about fighting for this country beyond it’s borders, that there own white brothers and sisters freedom to associate is being stolen..
    Gone well be the days in a few short years when mid west and southern white men well join the armed services to protect anyone when there own people are not protected..

  16. dan neil's Gravatar dan neil
    February 26, 2010 - 10:56 am | Permalink

    I agree Cal Poly Pomona is offering there facilitys for rent..

  17. dan neil's Gravatar dan neil
    February 26, 2010 - 10:52 am | Permalink

    we need to do live streaming videos….

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