Kevin MacDonald: Patrick Cleburne over at VDARE.com has done a great job publicizing the Kvetcher’s comments on the enthusiasm of the organized Jewish community for displacing Whites. The oddity here is that Kvetcher is not only Jewish but rather blatantly Jewish. Kvetcher gets it — he understands that people who advocate for Whites have absolutely normal human concerns about their future and that the ADL and the HIAS are pushing a hostile and aggressive Jewish ethnic agenda that should be abhorrent to every White person in America.
The ADL advertizes this quote from Duke as symptomatic of Duke’s vicious hatred:
As America is transformed from a 90 percent European American nation, as it was in the 1960s, to one where we will soon be a minority, should we not ask some pertinent questions? Is this racial diversity enriching, or will it be damaging to our social fabric?
The Kvetcher writes:
How is this not a good question? What does this say about the ADL and its donors that they cite this as a proof of how evil David Duke is?
Is this about “fighting anti-semitism,” or is this about the ADL’s attempt to smear anyone who questions the ADL’s fanatical goal of a white minority (as soon as possible) as a white supremacist?
Exactly. For the ADL, David Duke is the supreme bogeyman. The very first move that Jewish activists (including the ADL’s Abe Foxman) made in their campaign to discredit Mearsheimer and Walt was to solicit Duke’s approval of their writing — and Duke’s approval was then dutifully published throughout the mainstream media, from the Washington Post to the New York Sun and the Wall Street Journal.
It’s simply ridiculous to go after Duke because he deplores the fact that a powerful set of interests like the organized Jewish community has a fanatical goal of displacing Whites. But using Duke is doubtless very effective as a fundraising tool for the ADL and the $PLC.
The pathetic thing is that we get excited when we find a Jew who has the temerity to stand up to his own community on an issue like immigration, much less race. Non-Jews are well aware of the very powerful forces that will come down on them if they advocate for the interests of Whites or defend anything that Duke has ever said. The vast majority of Whites tremble at the very thought of challenging anything the ADL says for fear of being branded a racist or anti-Semite and then having to wonder if they will have a job next week. Kvetcher presumably doesn’t have to worry about that.
It’s good that the Kvetcher is writing like this, but he obviously has a very long way to go to really change things in the organized Jewish community.
Facing the Future as a Minority
Incredible the way the ADL think, and all the while convinced of their own incomparable rectitude.
Considering how dire the demogrphic situation is for NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS-one minute before midnight if we are honest- I cringe everytime Peter Brimelow advocates a temporary time out on legal immigration. to prevent NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS from being race-replaced-to the delight of AIPAC and the ADL-is a permanat shut down-to 0-of non-white LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
A moratorium means increasing LEGAL IMMIGRATION when the economy improves. This experiment has been already been performed and we know all too painfully the outcome of the experiment-a low wage economy and race-replacement.
I suspect that Peter Brimelow is marketing LEGAL IMMIGRATION reform as temporary time-out as an efort to keep the Republican party viable in the beltway. But why keep a party on the take from the mortal enemy of NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN CHRISTIANS-AIPAC AND ADL-on life support? Let the goddam Republican party die Peter Brimelow..because if you do a an uncompromising pro-NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN party will fill the political vacum. Why would you be opposed to this occuring?
You know what gives the beltway- bipartisan -consensus nightmares? A NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN populist revolt from the bottom….LOCAL INTERACTIONS-LONG RANGE ORDER. Let the Republican party die Peter Brimelow. It is a rotting stinking corpse already. Time to throw into a septic tank where it belongs.
The pathetic thing is that we get excited when we find a Jew who has the temerity to stand up to his own community on an issue like immigration, much less race.
Exactly! I used to be like that at one time when I was more innocent. However the reality is that people like the AJC’s Steinlight and others are just taking a different approach in ” IS IT GOOD FOR THE JEWS ”
They STILL hate, with a passion that the average white does not know, Whites. They STILL want Whites genocided. Some only question the utility of Muslim third-world immigration to America.
They are NOT our friends, they are that which Jesus spoke about. ANYBODY who buys the SINCERITY of this yiddish named fellow or the handful of others, is a lamb amongst the wolves.
When you DECEIVE YOURSELF you are truly deceived. These dear gentle souls SO BADLY WANT to find a commonality with the Jews, that is the weakness. That is why evolution has to raise up genuine, skilled leaders, not those lost in a dream.
Re Brimelow: I interpret his call for a moratorium as tactical — a step on the road to permanently ending non-White immigration, not a subterfuge to increase non-White immigration later.
Re Steinlight: Good point. I have several times quoted his intense hatred for the pre-1965 people and culture of the US. Opposing immigration is his version of pursuing Jewish interests — his even greater fear of Muslims. From the Preface to CofC:
Steinlight sees the 1924 “pause” in immigration as a moral catastrophe. He describes it as “evil, xenophobic, anti-Semitic,” “vilely discriminatory,” a “vast moral failure,” a “monstrous policy.” Jewish interests are his only consideration, while the vast majority of pre-1965 Americans are described as a “thoughtless mob” because they advocate a complete moratorium on immigration.
Kevin M
Hasn’t Pat Buchanan also used David Duke as a “bogeyman”?
This has been on my mind.
I am a Jew, and I am White. I feel marginalized by those Whites who think we are not worth fighting for, or reaching out to. Sure, some Jews can forsake their whiteness for jewishness, but most Israelis would prefer staying white, than having Ethiops and B’nai Menashe flood the country. That’s just a fact.
Being Jewish, is no different from being Irish. If you are Irish, you are White, but if you are White, that doesn’t mean you are Irish.
Kvecher isn’t by far the only Jew, who understands what being White is about. Myself I dislike the ADL’s inability to be at the forefront of a Restoration.
But if non-Jewish Whites don’t want to view us as White, but themselves prefer pushing us back, then what do you want us to do. It’s as if you took the Irish or Slavs and said “you are unworthy whites, die”. What do you expect the Irish or Slavs would do? They’d join your enemies.
You have to understand something. Either you fight for us, reminding Jews we are white, or you fight against us. Either some Jews are race-traitors, or you are saying they can’t be by definition.
You can fight the ADL, but its your intent that matters. Dont’ seek to marginalize. Don’t view us as the foreign. Don’t assume we are foreign – we are not.
Kevin
I hope you are right. But if this is the strategy, it still may be a bad strategy to compromise with the Republican party if the Republican party is owned by AIPAC,ADL and the Military Industrial Complex(from what I hear a very profitable business these days). FAIR under the leadership of the grossly incompetent Roger Connor went along with the Reagan amnesty..and the rest is history.
An angry Jew presuming to tell us what to do, who didn’t see that one coming?
AngryJew
My sense-and I could be wrong about this-is that there is a growing split between Jewish elites and ordinary Jews. This obviously true with oridinary Catholics and Catholic elites..which includes the Church and…Irish Catholic infested Wall Street. Irish Catholic infested Wall Street is the mortal enemy of Ordinary Irish Catholics and White Americans in general. I have no sympathy for Colin Finerty-Duke Lucrosse rape hoax- son of Irish Catholic Chaminade high school grad Wall Street tycoon. The Irish Catholic Wall street tycons have enriched themselves by supporting a post 1965 immigration policy that has resulted in a massive transfer of wealth from ordinary White Americans to the themselves and fellow members of the greedy cheating class. Who do think is subsidizing the Bishop’s lavish bachelor pads. Who do you think the Bishops invite to their mansions-lavish bachelor pads- to shake down for $$$$?
I was born an Irish Catholic. I hate the Irish Wall street tycoons. I would put them on trial for race treason and hang them. Do you hate Jewish elites such as Michael Bloomberg, Abe Foxman and Alan Dershowitz.
”I suspect that Peter Brimelow is marketing LEGAL IMMIGRATION reform as temporary time-out as an efort to keep the Republican party viable in the beltway. […] Let the goddam Republican party die Peter Brimelow..because if you do, an uncompromising pro-NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN party will fill the political vacum. Why would you be opposed to this occuring? […] Let the Republican party die, Peter Brimelow.” ( — Jupiter)
Jupiter, I am sure you are wrong about that being Brimelow’s motivation. A number of times over the past few years, Peter Brimelow has explicitly looked with favor on the idea of a new third party challenging the other two on immigration the way the then-new Republicans challenged the other two on slavery, a challenge that was crowned with success when Abraham Lincoln was elected.
I wouldn’t put too much faith in the Kvetcher. He only criticizes the ADL because he believes what they are doing will have negative results for the Jews. The Kvetcher is just a parasite who is smart enough to realize that he is better off with a white gentile host than with a Hispanic one.
RE Angry Jew: What we want is for sensible Jews to be actively involved in opposition to the ADL — to picket their offices and to organize Jewish organizations that will be good for White America and a force for a sensible immigration policy. What we tend to get instead is knee-jerk hostility at any mention that what Jewish organizations are doing is a disaster for White America. Jews tend to rally around the wagons at the slightest hint of criticism directed against them, and that’s the impression I get from your comment. Kevin M
Irish Catholic infested Wall Street
Do you really believe that Irish Catholics control Wall Street. Next thing you will be saying is that the Pope is Jewish.
I am a Jew, and I am White
Wrong. Genetic analysis has shown that Jews are mostly Middle Eastern by ancestry and therefore not white.
Fred
Forget sbout a third party.There was an excellent recent post about this over at majority rights. The situation is too dire right now for NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS. There has to be grassroots spontaneous combustion. Similar to what happened Eastern Europe in 1989.
My prediction is that if the economy does not rebound, we willl start seeing news stories about NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN children and teenagers not getting enough calories before the school-starvation. The parets just won’t be able to earn enough money to feed thoer children..and the situation with food banks across the country is very critical. Goverments fall because of this kind of stuff.
Amatyra Sen won a noble prize in economics for statistically showing the link between low wages and starvation. AIPAC ,ADL,WALL STREET and their whores in the Republican and Democratic parties are evil evil..evil…
A severe labor shortage should never be used as an excuse to race-replace NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS…I love severe labor shortages because I like a high wage economy for NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS…I never came across a labor shortage I didn’t like…bring on the robotics revolution..its been waiting in the wings for way too long
Immigration enthusaists think the labor shortage “argument” is their strongest debating point for making the case for the race-replacement of the NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN majority…on the contrary, it is a very very weak debating point.
I agree that Kvetcher’s remarks are encouraging, but I must admit that I am skeptical of the proliferation of Jewish paleocons/white nationalists we have seen just within the past year. I agree that many of them have been publishing some great material, but I wonder if certain of them are not playing the same role that the neocons did when they infiltrated the Republican party, that is, to build up strong followings and then veer sharply leftward, expelling the most conservative elements. Even in Kvetcher’s short clip, we hear warnings agains “revisionism and conspiracy theory”.
Take for example, Unz of the Am Conservative. He gained esteem among paleocons with some great arguments regarding white European underrepresentation at our top universities. Great! Brilliant! But now, in his most recent article, we find him supposedly demonstrating that hispanic crime is really no greater than white crime. (I don’t see how this could be, given differential crime rates in US and Mexico, but I have not the analytical ability to refute his claims.) I think he is turning sharply leftward after gaining status and control of a major paleocon organ.
Without mentioning any specific names, they seem to be behind many of the schisms within the right within recent years. A divided movement is doomed to impotence.
I accept Jews as white, and I think 99% of the Americans on the street feel that way, but primarily it is Jews themselves who consider themselves non white and inculcate the belief that they are racially different from white Europeans amongst one another.
AngryJew:
If you or most Jews do consider yourselves to be “White” and to share White interests then you must stand up and begin fighting for “our” interests. Words are meaningless.
As it stands organized Jewish groups have been tirelessly working to displace European Americans for the past 50+ years, as has been documented on sites like this.
Heck, forget sites like this: Jewish groups proudly proclaim such things on their own web sites and in their own promotional material.
Whites who dare to stand up for White American interests are effectively fried (like ants!) by the focused beam of the Giant Magnifying glass that is the main stream (Jewish controlled) media (Does the double standard about acknowledging this fact still exist? You know, Jews can brag, while other whites must remain silent?)
Whites who assemble together for common interest are ridiculed by the media (how can anything be legit if only whites show up?) While all non-white groups are celebrated. Are “we” not supposed to notice this? (And of course, the dis-information campaign seeking to defame the “tea party” movement is just getting started… Have we reached the point were we now need our own “anti-defamation” organization? How sad it has reached this point.
The moral framework (Whites interests = evil, all other groups interests = good) that has been installed on this country means that any white who stands up might very well lose his job, lose professional standing, and become even more of a surf in the country his forefathers created than he already was. Who here, really, is oppressing who?
If the Birthright Israel organization was white, its reputation would be in tatters. It would be considered a white-supremacist organization and as such would be mercilessly attacked in the main stream media. Fortunately for its founders, they are not gentiles, but rather Jews. So of course, different rules apply. Jewish supremacism and expression of Jewish interests gets a free pass and is in fact encouraged as a positive, wholesome good.
Anti-Semitism: We are taught that this means an irrational hatred of Jewish people. Yet, how is it used today? It is a slur used to silence debate. Any person or organization that is inconvenient to elite jewish interests is an anti-semite. (How dare a Gentile question US imperialism in the middle east?)
Sometimes I think such organizations (Elite Jewish organizations) actually WANT to be hated by gentiles. Their role in the Jewish community might be best understood NOT as combating anti-semitism, but rather in actively inciting hatred of the Jewish people. Is it possible? Lets consider the possible motive:
By intentionally fostering resentment and hatred of the Jewish people, they will undoubtedly have some success. This, in turn, will justify their own organization’s continued existence. It will provide fuel for more donations and for more prestige in their own community.
Lets take it one step farther:
A substantial component of the Jewish Identity (as expressed by organizations like Birthright) is in maintaining a sense of “Otherness” or even superiority. Well, superiority is one important component of maintaining a separate identity. However, something more (When considering the adversary is youthful hormones) is certainly required. What could play this role more powerfully than the”educational” message, “You are universally hated!” as documented by films such as defamation?
Of course, this would be only 1/2 the battle. If Jews are taught that they are uniquely different and uniquely hated, but then they never see evidence of this in the real world, they would have difficulty maintaining the sanctity of their gene pool (Again, an explicit goal of organizations like Birthright and likely the organized Jewish community at large)
The other half must be then in inciting non-jews to, “Play their role” in protecting the Jewish gene pool. This is done by actively fomenting anti-Jewish attitudes and resentment/hatred of the Jewish people. By this logic the organized elite Jewish community is fighting for Jewish interests NOT by fighting against anti-semitism, but rather by actively inciting it. Is this far fetched? Consider: if one looks not to words but to consequences, and assumes that organizations like the ADL are intelligent enough to have the consequences they create equal to the intent, the hypothesis becomes much more tenable.
The reality is this: Peace requires that these vicious cycles not be acted on but rather exposed and stopped in their tracks. Not by hate, but rather with humanity and dignity for all people. Could an organized White America movement play a positive role in doing this? If it does succeed in gaining traction, I certainly hope this is the direction that it takes.
1.) Jews are not White, they are a Middle Eastern derived people.
2.) The Kvetcher once suggested that it may be necessary to settle millions of Jews in rural America, which of course he gave his support to. As if we didn’t have enough Jews already! The Kvetcher is no friend of ours, he is merely looking to get ahead of the game and co-opt White Nationalism to the benefit of Jews.
3.) The contention that Jewish hostility to the host can be defused is laughable. All here should realize what Jews do is done as the result of what is effectively a genetic compulsion.
4.) Starting from the premise that Jews are somehow necessarily a permanent part of our nations and have a moral right to be as such is a position born of cowardice.
@angryjew – Do you support Israel? Do you believe a Jewish state has a right to exist? Is such a right exclusive to Jews? Should Israel allow Whites to become citizens since we’re all White?
As a White person should I be allowed to live in Israel and work to make it diverse? How would Israelis like it if Whites lectured them about how to run their state?
How do you think White people came to form the opinions we have of Jews? Do Jews have any responsibility for how others feel about them?
What would happen to a White non Jew who told Israelis to treat them like Jews? You have a fat nerve to claim you are the same as us and you can only make that claim because you think everyone else is non human and therefore double standards are justified.
RE:: I am a Jew, and I am White
Wrong. Genetic analysis has shown that Jews are mostly Middle Eastern by ancestry and therefore not white.
There are white europeans who have lived in the middel east for a thousand years left since the days of the crusades and they stayed pure.. But yes Jews are not white..
Angry Jew
Study the DNA analysis of your grouping and you well see you have hijacked our races charicteristics through gene hijacking. Jewish eugenics scientist want a pure jew race, look at the laws in Israel re Cohenem vs Ashkanazi jews.. They value the pure jew ..
WE VALUE OUR PURITY IN RACE ALSO..
“Take for example, Unz of the Am Conservative. He gained esteem among paleocons with some great arguments regarding white European underrepresentation at our top universities. Great! Brilliant! But now, in his most recent article, we find him supposedly demonstrating that hispanic crime is really no greater than white crime. (I don’t see how this could be, given differential crime rates in US and Mexico, but I have not the analytical ability to refute his claims.)”
I refuted it here:
http://statsaholic.blogspot.com/2010/01/according-to-american-conservative.html
Having Jews and other non Whites in America and being forced to suffer their aggression against us is unbearable. Its like having the other woman come into your home and assume the role of having a say about your marriage and life. How is this imaginable when she has a say in the very lives of your children.
How can we be silent when our children are in the ME and Jews plunder our treasury and destroy our nation? We would be justified in anything we did to them.
Jews are so sure of themselves and there is not any area of our lives and nation that they have not insinuated themselves into and they sit back like Lords of the manor and bloviate about how we should behave and what policies we need.
They have laid all the groundwork with their propaganda so that any mention of David Duke causes people to respond in a predictable way just like Pavlo’s dogs.
Ben Stein said that he ridiculed rural people every chance he got when he wrote tv show scripts. He targeted the very heart of America and made real Americans appear as outsiders in our own land.
It makes me sick every time I see Jon Stewart of Bill Maher and how they have access to our children and fill their minds with poison.
Propaganda is all they have that stands between them and their history. And this time they are mucking with Americans and personally I don’t care what happens to them. Jews at least are a challenge to White people and we will see who ends up ruling the Earth. Every bomb and every technology Jews have they stole from us.
In a poll, Israel ranked at the bottom among nations of the world. Entropy happens to Jewish organization the same as it does to the rest of us and just as things went wrong in Jurassic Park and the Dinosaurs got loose, so can the enemies of Jews be let loose and that means the entire world will stand against international Jewry.
Their One World Order will result in a world wide Jew holocaust.
Prometheus makes and develops a good point about Jewish organizations possibly aiming to provoke hostility toward Jews on purpose, sort of instinctively, for the reasons Prometheus goes into.
The same idea has occurred to me. If Jews aren’t disliked it’s a little harder for them to get into hostility mode. Hostility mode helps them maintain the separateness they need so they and especially their kids won’t merge into the host: they teach this hostility to their kids.
This is without any doubt why they are still blaming Euros and Christians for things that happened a thousand years ago as if they just happened the other day. “Guys who couldn’t read or write, with horns sticking out of their helmets and wearing bearskin shirts, killed six hundred Jews in the Rheinland!” “They did? God that’s awful! Why the bizarre outfits? Was it some kind of weird cult or something?” “No, it was a thousand years ago, guys wore that stuff then.” “Oh I see ……. well, it’s still awful …… [gee, talk about long memories ......]”
If Jews are disliked, that’s naturally an additional excuse for them to be hostile and to teach group-preserving hostility to their kids, facilitating in turn the sort of “keeping apart” spirit that has played a role in preserving them as a distinct group.
Where Captainchaos says,
“The contention that Jewish hostility to the host can be defused is laughable,”
I fear he is right. I don’t think Jews will ever stop attacking Euros. If Euros survived racially/ethnoculturally intact another thousand years you’d see the Jews still at it, attacking Euros as aggressively as ever. I don’t see any hope of a truce.
Therefore I believe Euros and Jews should live apart, in separate countries. They’ll both be happier, healthier, and saner that way, Jews no longer trying to genocide Euros, and Euros no longer resenting them for it.
“I am a Jew, and I am White”
LOL. That’s a good one. Nice try “angryjew.”
“Either you fight for us, reminding Jews we are white, or you fight against us.”
Too funny.
Let me guess, the muslims are the “real enemy” right?
The expulsion of Jews may easily be confused with extermination by those that frequently notice that they have drooled on themselves. Think about it, the Jews and their shabbos goyim have White men fighting in the Middle East at present to DEFEND the racial separatism of Jews. I say we call their bluff.
“The same idea has occurred to me. If Jews aren’t disliked it’s a little harder for them to get into hostility mode. Hostility mode helps them maintain the separateness they need so they and especially their kids won’t merge into the host: they teach this hostility to their kids.”
The logic is compelling.
Jews, after finding a safe and open society here in the USA, had started to merge into the larger population. Why does the organized Jewish community act as it does? Regardless of intent it is playing its historic role. You know a person or organization by the systematic results they achieve in the real world.
Those who react blindly to provocation have already been defeated. The provocateur has anticipated the response and will use it as part of his plan.
Rage is the reaction of a threatened, cornered animal. In the natural world these emotions serve their purpose. However, If left unchecked when the emotion is not appropriate, they lead one to the darkness of a deep spiritual abyss. Do not convince yourself that European Man as at that point, for it is not so.
How would YOU seek to destroy and damage an awakening of European man’s spirit? Well, there are the normal channels such as an orchestrated media campaign, which is most certainly is in the works.
Independent minds that cannot be controlled with such simple-minded measures must be discredited. The agenda? Provoke, incite, bring to a place that was not intended, and then expose.
Do not be so eager to discredit yourself by speculating on endgames that cannot possibly be known. Idle speculation is dangerous in matters of gravity. Those who cannot control such urges must be judged by the effect they have in the real world on the future of our people, not by supposed intent or the “side” that has been implied by the nature of their statements.
Hate and rage is the spirit of those who have damaged our nation. Hate is very powerful, but it is it the appropriate fuel for the spirit of European man? I do not think so. There is a better way.
Neoboudica:
It’s time for law enforcement to ARREST the criminals. Treason is defined by the Constitution. Start with Rahm Emmanuel and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and work your way through the rest of the “neo-conservatives” i.e., traitors working for Israel.
Where is the Officer Corp of the US military? Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines? Are they loyal to the Constitution or what?
Regarding the Unz article: yes, Reginald, that is good. Another thing is that when one corrects for age–his basic premise being that a relatively larger young male hispanic population accounts for the apparent difference in crime rate–he is assuming that crime rates vary linearly among age groups and genders, when most violent crime is committed by the younger male age group. One could check this by comparing with statistics on blacks, but again, I am way out of my league statistically. For example of what I mean, I’m sure that 80 year old black women are not any more violence prone than 80 year old white women, but when it comes to young men, the difference is by a factor of 10 or so.
You just never see young white males engaging in the sort of horrible gang violence that you see among hispanics. Take for example the low key ethnic cleansing in south california recently written about by Steve Sailer.
I hope that the lesson that all have learned from the last 20 centuries is that Jews and Europeans just dont mix well. When they live in the same nation, the results are always disastrous for everyone, pure and simple. In regard to jews joining White Nationalism, I hope that Angry Jew can understand that it is extremely dangerous for a White organization to allow Jews any positions of influence. Jews will tend to bring in their co-ethnics, and subvert that organization, as Unz has done with the American Conservative, and has been done throughout the “Conservative” movement.
Perhaps Jews and White Nationalists might agree to create a separate Jewish ethnostate in North America, a second Israel where Jews can live amongst each other, rule their own state and manage their own immigration policy, without needing to indulge in the usual nuerotic fear of a second Holocaust. Perhaps New York? Florida? Death Valley?
“Perhaps Jews and White Nationalists might agree to create a separate Jewish ethnostate in North America,”
The Jews would almost certainly attempt to emplace nuclear weapons in their North American ethnostate and that is an unacceptable risk because of “the usual neurotic fear of a second Holocaust.” Of course I don’t suppose it would help any to point out that there was no first “Holocaust.”
Personally I think Africa would be a good spot.
@CaptainChaos:
I agree that in regard to the Holocaust, there were probably no gas chambers, and the casualties were probably much lower than what is estimated. Some sources make a somewhat convincing claim that the casualties were somewhere between 300K to 1M, mostly from disease. Whatever the casualties were, this would still be classified as a Holocaust, where innocents died, and very ugly things happened that no reasonable person would ever want to happen again.
@NeoBoudica:
This brings me to your comments about killing jews. I understand that it is extremely frustrating to witness the dispossession of your people and decay of your culture before your eyes. But there is no need to harm anyone, we can achieve a White ethnostate without any of that. When this happens, any shifts of population must be done humanely, fully compensating those affected for all property losses involved. Killing or harming others would spiritually poison a newly formed state, and make its people susceptible to guilt, such as Americans feel today for what was done to the Indians and slaves. I sense that you are a decent person, and would respectfully request that you please cut out all of that kind of talk henceforth. It completely turns off reasonable people that we want to join the cause and shoots our movement in the foot.
To answer a few questions put to me.
Look, I think you either take it or leave it. Either you stick to a scientifically verifiable definition of whiteness, or you make it up as you go along and construct a Whiteness that has little to do with science.
So if you consider Jews White, which we genetically are – contrary to whatever morons maintain – then you must accept that the White world is diverse.
I am certain any Irish, Italian, Greek, or Swede will understand what I am talking about. As for hyphenated Americans, the one’s still identifying with the Irish and Italian side, will also understand me.
I would say that some define Whiteness in a way that borders on the Nordicist, and this is taken for granted.
Since it is taken for granted, you are blinded to the effects of your own narrow definitions, i.e. the primary effect being that you antagonize half of those who are technically White.
Is that a sensible strategy?
I am certain, that the Nordics among you, will dislike Jews no matter what our relationship looks like. We will always be Jewish to you, just as you will maintain being Nordic, vis a vis other Whites.
Just ask yourself the question, who is doing the dividing here?
I repeat, you are the ones making sure Jews do not feel welcome. Just as you do with nearly any and all whites – the vast majority of whom are scared to death of you.
And you should keep that in mind, is that we are all marginals. And there is a reason, -because we are quite callous to the feelings of our fellow Whites. Marginality implies that we are living in a bubble, an echo-chamber. And that’s what this is.
If you were serious about changing the world around you, you’d have to crawl out of the marginality. You’d have to try to adapt your views, to reality.
Again, either you stick to the facts, or you just belch.
I think in this, you also find the answer to why Jews will have a hard time fighting the ADL. Because until there is a feeling of being invited, who the hell do you want us to rely on!? Same goes for Italian Americans, or white Latinos. Why doesn’t either feel attracted to being White in a self-identification sense?
Because you are Nordicists, and not-inviting them. Because you are too busy developing theories of Whiteness, which have little to do with fact.
“The same idea has occurred to me. If Jews aren’t disliked it’s a little harder for them to get into hostility mode”
I think it is safe to say that they cannot feel ‘jewish’ in an ethnic sense without feeling hated.
For those of you who wonder why most jews and nearly all jewish community groups support mass immigration. I don’t think you understand just how much they hate US, the Christian west, in particular.
Over at Frontpagemag they often toss out the theory that palestinians got their ‘anti semitism’ from nazi era collaboration – never mind the absurdity of such a notion – the important point is that the ‘central evil’ against jews always goes back to the west. Always.
When they routinely refer to their suffering, its not an accident that they say they have been persecuted for the past 2000 years – what does that correspond with?
Historically, they have always sided with the turk, the muslim, the moor – they look at Moorish spain as their high golden age. Any examination of fall of Rhodes, Constantinople (the greatest loss Christendom has suffered in the past 1000 years) you’ll find Jewish treachery exposed.
Some are begining to realize the muslim threat, but they are still far more frightened of us, and something in their boisterous egos probably things once the evil euros are subdued muslims won’t be a problem.
“I am certain any Irish, Italian, Greek, or Swede will understand what I am talking about.”
AngryJew: no doubt whites have been in conflict in fact we have spend more time fighting each other than ‘other’ – in fact part of the EU’s embracing mass immigration is to elect a new people and, in the back of their minds, theorizing that if eliminate national identity they will eliminate national conflict.
no doubt our elite whether the catholic church or what’s left of the episcopal church, or George Gilder – advocate the same kind of universalist globalism.. there’ s a difference, – none of those are making an exception for their particular ethnicity (with the exception of their neighborhoods, no doubt) in other words, WASPS are encouraging universalism for irish catholics and turning around and encouraging anglo-saxon identity for England. As we all know Jewish ‘universalists’ are hypocritical and duplicitous – that’s the big difference.
“I repeat, you are the ones making sure Jews do not feel welcome?
oh come sir. Look as many have pointed out, if a gentile even so much as mentions, the influence of jewish groups on immigration policy – the same policy they boast about – we are ritually ran through the media gauntlet, have our jobs threatened, etc etc. jewish groups have done their best to eliminate the possibility for dialog. They dont’ want to discuss.
So here is the big question:is there a split between Jewish elites and ordinary non-elite Jews on the issue of race-replacing NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS through post-1965 LEGAL IMMIGRATION. In other words, are ordinary non-elite American Jews enthusiastic supporters of the race-replacement of Native Born White Christian Americans?
By the way, Ecologists Paul and Ann Ehrlich are fanatical supporters of high levels of non-white immigration because it will increase diversity in the US. The Ehrlichs demand that NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS decrease their fertility even further to accomodate the non-white generated population growth. There should be no doubt that the Ehrlichs are waging a genocidal ethnic warfare against the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN population. The Ehrlichs are bascially demanding that the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN population to stop breeding.
Do Jewish White Nationalists demand that Christian White Nationalist demand that White Christian Nationalist continue to suibsidize the Sate of Israel? Angry Jew,what do you say? I tried to post this on Amerian Renassaince in response to a poster named “jewamongyou”. It of course was blocked. And now I am having greater difficulty getting my posts through on American renassaince these days.. It is a totally resonable and fair question.
I would like to hear your answer angryjew. Subsidizing the state of Isarael has causes hardship in NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICA..and the hardship is not just in terms of $$$$$…but also the lives of White American teenagers.
Angry Jew,
“Look, I think you either take it or leave it.”
You mean we either subordinate ourselves to your framing of White interests that conform to YOUR group interests, or we can get out! Nice try, no cigar.
“Either you stick to a scientifically verifiable definition of whiteness, or you make it up as you go along and construct a Whiteness that has little to do with science.”
The self identified peoples of Europe can be identified as such due to the fact that they cluster together, this is also true of European-Americans, and in all instances, Jews cluster apart, as they are a Middle Eastern derived people.
“I am certain any Irish, Italian, Greek, or Swede will understand what I am talking about.”
That’s right, AJ, after having been informed of the scientific and historical facts of the matter, they will no doubt concede that Gypsies are also White! Any Caucasoid refuse that washes up on our shores and has been here for a time qualifies!
“As for hyphenated Americans, the one’s still identifying with the Irish and Italian side, will also understand me.”
Divide and conquer says the Jew, nope, not falling for it this time.
“I would say that some define Whiteness in a way that borders on the Nordicist, and this is taken for granted.”
Personally, I am a Nordicist, which does not mean, as you imply, that by virtue of that position one is necessarily bound to conceiving of only Northwestern Europeans as White. Nay, all European derived people are White, it is just that I wish to preserve my branch of the White race. And anyone who doesn’t like that should know where they can stuff it.
“Since it is taken for granted, you are blinded to the effects of your own narrow definitions, i.e. the primary effect being that you antagonize half of those who are technically White.”
Anyone who considers Middle Eastern derived peoples White is in error, and not worth listening to. Jews are a Middle Eastern derived people, and are as such not White. Savvy?
“Just ask yourself the question, who is doing the dividing here?”
LOL. You are! Only you are attempting to frame the issue, to say it again, as the only possible way to avoid division is to include Jews – a risible contention on the face of it, as Jews love nothing more than to thwart the group cohesion of others whilst maintaining their own. Shove it!
“You’d have to try to adapt your views, to reality.”
You mean grovel before Jewish power, go to hell.
“I think in this, you also find the answer to why Jews will have a hard time fighting the ADL.”
White men don’t rely on Jews to do their fighting for them, Jews are not White, just are inveterate, dyed-in-the-wool subverters who will stab us in the back again at the next opportunity; any White man who doesn’t toe that line is a traitor to his race.
“Because you are Nordicists, and not-inviting them.”
Anyone who does not support the right of Northwestern Europeans to preserve themselves can go hang, and if they don’t like that, tough shit.
It is high time people get this through their heads: White men who are loyal to our race are not, and cannot, be satisfied with some tenuous accommodation to the existing order. It is the existing order that is strangling the life from our people, it must be mightily swept away, and a new order constructed in its stead that will guarantee the existence of our people, in all their diversity, in perpetuity. That is Final Victory, we can be satisfied with nothing less.
I can’t believe the naive way in which some of you view Jews!
My goodness, god forbid that anyone make the Jew feel unwelcome! doh! Since when has feeling unwelcome ever kept the Jew out! I’d say from all of the evidence, historical and current, they couldn’t care less about feeling unwelcome.
Who says, The borgs are deadly enemies who will try to exterminate us. Lets live among the borgs and raise our children. You are fools if you think Jews fear us. They think they are the master race that will rule the world.
If Jews feared us would they do the things they are doing? They taunt us, bragging that they control our media and our government. They rip us off from within our own financial institutions. They write anti American anti White propaganda in the textbook industry which is then fed to our own children. Does that really strike you as fear.
Is it reasonable that a race fiercely defends their racial state in which they are ethnically cleansing all others and committing genocide, causing upheaval around the globe and subjecting other races to terrorism and bankruptcy while using the blood of other races for their racial state. Then they refuse to live there while choosing to live where they are not welcome all the while telling the other race how to run their country and attempting to wipe them off the face of the Earth. That is fear?
Andrew – Jews are working toward a One World Order in which they think they will rule the Earth. The only thing we can do at this point is to send out death squads to kill Jewish elites.
These other races should simply be sent back to where they belong but there is no other response for the Jewish elites but death.
How many non Jews have Jews killed today? Look at the Palestinians because if we don’t stop the Jew that will be our fate.
Jews control all of the infra structure in Israel to maintain total control over the Palestinian. The air, the ground and the sewers. Palestinians don’t shit unless the Jew allows it. Plus their walled off from one another so they can’t stand together to fight. Jews kill all of the intellectual elites of the Palestinian, the Iraqi, the Afghani.
They sent our children out in death squads to kill people in Afghanistan. I feel sorry for Afghanistan, I want to help them not kill them. Jews are heartless devils, they destroyed the cradle of civilization so that even ANCIENT MANUSCRIPTS FROM BIBLICAL DAYS were destroyed. These are the people we’re dealing with.
If you look at the Hebrew Immigration Aid association you will see that every Jew group in America belongs to it. You underestimate their tribalism if you think there is that much difference between elites and ordinary Jews.
Ordinary Jews never complain about the priviledges they enjoy as a result of OUR FEAR to oppose Jews.
In my community there is ONE Jewish family. They are doctors who run the medical clinic. Their son spent last summer walking around Israel. The local paper allowed him to write propaganda about how wonderful and peaceful Israelis are and I WAS SCARED to tell the truth for fear I’d be labeled and anti semite. Its not Jews who are afraid of us.
You think that ordinary jews are any different. I don’t think so.
Go, girl, go.
I agree with your statements except for the need to send out death squads and get rid of these tiresome people. The way to deliver ourselves from their evil is to learn their tricks and ignore them.
There certainly is enough factual information out there for people to start to wake up!
Angry Jew said:
“Look, I think you either take it or leave it. Either you stick to a scientifically verifiable definition of whiteness, or you make it up as you go along and construct a Whiteness that has little to do with science.”
ONE POSSIBLE DEFINITION OF “WHITE”
1) A person who claims to be of wholly European ancestry (European descended) and whose physical appearance is consistent with that claim and does not contradict it.
2) This person, along with his biological parents, does not claim a tiny amount of non-white ancestry (like 1/16 Cherokee Indian).
3) This person can produce a certified copy of his birth certificate that states that he is White along with Government photo ID to prove his identity.
4) There is no scientific evidence in either his family or medical background that indicates non-white ancestry.
5) This person cannot on any basis qualify for Israeli citizenship.
And don’t forget about Jewish diseases. They distinguish Jews from Whites.
http://www.mssm.edu/jewish_genetics
http://www.jewishgeneticsphx.org
The definition above could be used for now. At some point in the future those admitted to the Liberated Zone might be required to submit to a genome scan, or whatever technology is available at that time, to come up with some scientific data concerning an individual’s ethnicity.
Dear Angry Jew,
If Irish Catholics had, since 1880, been working to replace White people in America and import a third world demographic, you would be reading similar writings about THEM. I do understand your viewpoint, I knew some Jewish guys who were quite good on the topic, but that was another time.
Adolf Hitler, personally approved of patriotic Germans who were Jews, being GENERALS in the Wehrmacht. A general office was established to handle the average case, e.g. infantryman in Wehrmacht. Not just the soldier but his entire family, father, mother et al were given exemption from being treated as anything other than a patriotic German citizen.
So Hitler wasn’t the anti-semite as portrayed in school, in popular media, and BY LAW in Europe in Canada and Australia.
You must understand, Angry Jew, that the group who disassociated and disassociates itself from us was the Jews. Unrelenting hostility for longer than one can imagine. Why? I can’t say. Germans and Italians and Spaniards and so forth all had vicious wars against each other, yet the HATRED one sees from the Jewish community towards the White gentile community, was never held by the Europeans against each other. Not until the 2nd World War in particular where WW1 propaganda was not just reissued with the same lies being told but was magnified into a, dare I say it, OLD TESTAMENT Jehovah genocidal version.
They arrested, during the night, the NPD fellows who were at the Dresden protest. No cry in American press about that. Merkel’s giving of nuclear submarines fit for firing missiles with nuclear payload to Israel is disturbing in light of Jewish Americans and Israelis threatening all of humanity with a nuclear winter if Israel has a bad time.
The ball has LONG been in your court.
There is no reason why I, or anyone else here, should dislike a person merely because they are Jewish, as you said, just like an Irishman or a Spaniard, but the sad fact is that most of your community, if you do so identify with it, DO not consider themselves part of the greater White race.
Consider that Dr MacDonald has DOCUMENTED the, in effect, genocidal campaign by organized Jewry against our people, we are, to put it bluntly, quite a considerate group.
I hope you find your way into the camp of the saints.
@AngryJew:
One of the problems we have is that Jews are not as easily converted to our cause as you suggest. Look at the effort the Republicans have put into gaining their support, and then they go 80% for Obama. Out of 5M jews in the US, how many support Whites? Perhaps 10, including you? You seem to be asking Whites to change, so that you will feel better about joining us. Does that make sense? Why dont jews demonstrate through their actions that they are our allies first? Then we can talk. Until then, Whites need to figure out a way to separate from and be clear of this miserable multicultural mess, with the culture of critique at the helm. For White Nationalists, our best hope at present is in leading an organic awakening among Whites without jews.
The “White American” ethnic group consists of the descendants of the colonists and those Northern European elements which have assimilated into this stock. The Southern European ethnics are not part of this stock. They are distinct, and both they and NW European descended Americans view them as distinct.
No. The problem is that white nationalists are pan-Europeanists rather than “Nordicists” and ethnonationalists.
Whether or not Jews, Turks, Greeks, or Sicilians are white is not particularly important. What matters is that most white Americans are of Northwestern European descent.
A historic American nationalism that seeks to secure the interests of founding stock Americans would likely be more potent and have a greater chance for success than pan-Europeanist white nationalism.
Related to the issues discussed in this thread, here is a post by n/a at the race/history/evolution notes blog citing a study showing that Southern Europeans are more similar to Ashkenazi Jews than to Northern Europeans.
@MGLS – if Ashkenazi are closer to Southern Europeans then how can Israel be their ancient homeland.
Take it or leave it – refers to science.
Jews are White. Period.
Nordicism is intrawhite racism.
First vanguard kicked out the Georgians, then the Armenians, a priori the Jews…next it will the Greeks, the Spaniards, this and that – and pretty soon you’ll be picking out anyone who doesn’t have blue eyes! You’ll eat yourself before any of your enemies.
Insane. Bubble. Marginal.
“Jews are White. Period.”
Assertions are not evidence. Saying something’s so doesn’t make it so.
“Nordicism is intrawhite racism.”
Somebody’s confused again.
AJ, words mean things. Like ” White ethnostate” means the non-Whites are gone, “race” means the whole race. “Racism” is used to describe animosity between people who are of different races.
“Intrawhite racism” is a contradiction in terms.
Geez.
I thought Jews had high verbal IQs.
As far as who gets into the White ethnostate, that’s for us, who are trying to achieve one, to decide. We get to decide who’s in or out. If we want to be arbitrary, guess what? We get to be, because WE will have gained power. Just as Jews base who gets into Israel on What’s Good for Jews and would ignore non-Jews’ attempts to definde who is a jew and gets into Israel, the White ethnostate’s government will decide who gets in based on the ultimate test of What’s Good for Whites.
“next it will the Greeks, the Spaniards, this and that – and pretty soon you’ll be picking out anyone who doesn’t have blue eyes! You’ll eat yourself before any of your enemies.”
You have no evidence that any such thing would happen. We intend to kick out Jews as a logical result of their long-standing perfidy, ever since they were admitted as immigrants.
Unless the Greeks, Spaniards, this and that, demonstrate to us through subversion that they are not our friends, we’ll have no reason to pick a fight with them. If they DO begin to engage in perfidy, then prosecution for treason is eminently reasonable.
“You’ll eat yourself before any of your enemies”
Your concern is touching, but we’ll do okay without your counsel, honest.
On the odd chance you really are pro-White, then go make yourself useful and go lecture the Jews, not us. Who knows, if by doing so you demonstrate to our satisfaction that you really are our friend, we might let you in (subject to certain restrictions on occupation, political involvement and marriage/reproduction, of course.)
“Insane. Bubble. Marginal.”
Are you telling us this out of the goodness of your heart in an effort to help us advance our cause….
or…
because you’re desperately trying to convince yourself that we’re NOT a threat to Jewish power?
Ok ok ok ok forget science. Just use your own damn eyes! How many Jews have you met, that were not White!?
I doubt any of you have!!
Believe you me, the way you use the term Jews, you are just encouraging a war amongst whites. It’s like if you took on the Episcopalians or the Rotarian. Everyone can form their own distinct group!! What matters is where that group belongs in the larger picture.
The scientific debate has been had on the net already ten times. Do your own damn googling. If you think middle easterners constitute a Race, then you are either a damn fool or just ignorant. Sure, a wop don’t look like a Northerner, but neither does a Southern German look like a Northern one. More Jews have blue eyes, than Italians – but if you really want to make “blond” and “white” synonymous, don’t come knocking on my door or Guidos’s when a times are tough.
In the end you have to decide, if you want to destroy a part of your own, in order to advance. I’d say that’s stupid and dangerous. You’ll end up like Pol Pot, with blood and shit on your hands.
“racism” to me doesn’t need to imply “races”. It just means a degree of discrimination, that is unhealthy in the context. You can treat it anyway you like, but my intention – if that’s of interest- is that Nordicism might be somewhat valid in certain cases, but it doesn’t applly to our present predicament.
Don’t you see, that you need to leave room for people. YOu cannot simply want to kill all the “clerks” all the “white colars”. This is dumb, primitive. It’s again, why you are in a bubble.
Again, the “White American” ethnic group consists of the descendants of the colonists and those Northern European elements which have assimilated into this stock. Georgians, Armenians, Jews, Greeks, and Spaniards are not of Northwestern European descent. They are not and never have been part of the white American stock. They were not “kicked out.”
The Boasians first attacked Madison Grant and the Nordicists. They attempted to deny the reality of intra-European differences.
Some of us want to preserve our own people, those of Northern European descent, as the “Nordicists” in the 19th and early 20th centuries did. The pan-Europeanism of white nationalists is a very recent phenomenon of just the last few decades.
At Majorityrights.com, Desmond Jones says white nationalism is a Jewish construct. Seeing people like AngryJew try to deny intra-European differences supports Desmond’s point.
To quote Desmond Jones:
Desmond also cites this from a post by n/a:
Jews are whites but they’re also Semites. How can angryjew claim to be white and ignore his own semitism and then claim that israel is the ancient homeland?
I can’t speak for the others but the White people I defend are the descendants of the Northern and Western European people who created Western civilization and America.
When one says British it is understood which race is being referred to and that they are not Jewish.
When one says African its understood which race is referred to. India, China, Korea, etc etc.
American means the descendants of the Western and Northern Europeans.
Jews being White they could have assimilated I suppose but it is JEWS who set themselves apart and choose to remain a pure race. But Jesus was swarthy with hair that was definitely not of any white race so once again, I do not see how Ashkenazi can be the people who once lived in the holy land. You can’t have it both ways, either you’re white or you owe us reparations for a ME fraud.
I would ask which of us white people are caucasian? There are a lot of white people and English and Celtic are far removed from Nordic if you look at DNA.
The point here is not which of us is white, the point is that northern and Western Europeans made western civilization and have rights and control over America and we intend to defend it and do not include Jews as a part of the definition of who owns America.
It is not a proposition nation it is a Western and Northern European nation, and if Jews were the same whites as we are they would never have had to make such an argument in order to get the control they have today.
The discussion thread on the Kvetcher’s website has gotten very long as I write this (19 Feb). My guess is that this thread is just about finished as Jeffrey Imm showed his face, was subjected to questions the left is inherently incapable of dealing with, and left when posters made it clear that the standard tactic of the left (namecalling) would not be tolerated.
Mr. Imm clearly won this battle as Jared Taylor’s conference has been canceled. But I am heartened that so many people are now willing to resist the tyranny of the left.
I am particularly concerned about the intolerance of the left. As a student of fascism I know that ONE of the reasons for the so-called fascist “shirt” movements was to protect rank-and-file fascists from being victimized by communist thugs. This begs the question: America right now has a very limited history of settling political differences violently. It is part of the legacy of America’s Anglo-Celtic heritage.
What is really being stolen from us is our cultural heritage. If this happens, the left will have not only won the battle, but the war. We will have been effectively reduced to a banana republic. It’s better to stop the tyranny now with words than let it fester until it can only be solved with violence.
AJ asserts Jews are White.
That’s funny. I thought Jews say they’re Semites, and those who don’t like Jews, they tell us, are anti-Semitic. Also they tell us the Semitic ancestry is what entitles them to the land in the Middle East currently named Israel.
But if Jews are, instead, White, how can the word “anti-Semitic” logically have any reference to them? No one accuses people who don’t like Chinese as being anti-Aztec. And how can Israel, in the middle East, (which ain’t Europe, I don’t believe) be the ancestral homeland if Jews are White (i.e., European)?
Either you’re White/Semite half-breeds, which means you ain’t White but mixed, OR you are entirely European, which means you have no claim on Palestine. Which is it, AJ?
“Nordicism might be somewhat valid in certain cases, but it doesn’t applly to our present predicament.”
What is this “our”? AJ has a spare country to escape to if things get too foul here.
I don’t.
I can’t see where he and I have comparable problems.
Ultimately, Dunnyveg, words are masks. They solve nothing. Organized violence solves problems. That is why the Jews and their liberal stooges are so maniacally determined to take down the 2nd Amendment. No matter how many times they lose in court, they keep at it. They well understand that the issue of who Rules, them or us, will ultimately be resolved not by “debate” – this they win automatically simply by media control, internet excepted – but by a partly political, partly racial Civil War. We had one before, remember? These things are necessary from time to time.
AngryJew (is there one that isn’t?), your “science” is bogus: Jewish racial nationalists, that is, Zionists, have produced bookloads of genetic studies proving that Jews, wherevere they live, are much more akin to each other than to the host nation-race. Self-serving, no doubt, but true. And then there’s collective, subversive Jewish behavior in the here and now: pro-Israel warmongering on the neo-con fake-right, the usual creeping communism on the liberal-socialist left and, in between, the Jew Hollywood Culture of Death. Incidentally, have you made your annual contribution to TOO yet? No? ! I’m not surprised: your genes are Out of Asia.