An article in the Forward describes a new book by Sasha Polakow-Suransky on Israel’s relationship with apartheid South Africa (“Writer Takes Controversial Look at Israel-South Africa Ties“). It’s long been known that Israel had a warm relationship with South Africa. This book describes just how close they were. They engaged in “extended cooperation” on nuclear issues, with SA providing uranium and both countries cooperating in building and testing missiles.
More importantly, it claims that some important Israelis went beyond purely practical support to approving apartheid itself: “For at least some on the Israeli side, … it became a bond of two allies who understood and sympathized with each other’s existential struggles. He sees similarities between Afrikanner nationalism and the revisionist Zionism of Ze’ev Jabotinsky and his ideological heirs.”
The latter claim especially is distasteful to Jews who want to believe that applied liberalism is a timeless moral imperative in Judaism — that is, the vast majority of American Jews. But the reality is, as Geoffrey Wheatcroft recently pointed out, at the present time Israel “is governed by [Jabotinsky’s] conscious heirs,” and Israel is routinely referred to as an apartheid state.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert (left). A photo of Vladimir Jabotinsky (right) loomed over former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as he spoke at the Likud Party convention in August, 2004.
Polakow-Suransky’s parents left South Africa in 1973 because his mother faced the prospect of arrest for her anti-apartheid work. The parents were high-profile opponents of apartheid–an aspect of Jewish involvement in the left that has been such an important influence in the US and elsewhere. The Forward article quotes Gideon Shimoni, a prominent Israeli historian who is rather negative about the book because it presents Shimon Peres as a hypocrite “who spoke out against apartheid in public but fostered the relationship in secret.”
But hypocrisy among Jews about apartheid-related issues is utterly commonplace, and I can’t see any reason why Peres should be an exception. This is particularly an affliction of Jews in Western societies who simultaneously support a Jewish apartheid ethnostate in Israel and vigorously and effectively oppose any sign of ethnic/racial consciousness among Whites in the US.
Shimoni’s book on Jews in South Africa during apartheid presents a nuanced picture. This is my summary (see here, p. 338):
The great majority of Jews in South Africa cooperated with the apartheid system. Between 1948 and 1970, most Jews gave their political allegiance to the United Party which “was quite as committed to white supremacy as were the Afrikaner nationalists.” By the 1970s Jews were turning more to the Progressive Party which advocated a gradual dismantling of apartheid, but “there appeared to be a grain of truth in the then current cynical quip that most Jews spoke like Progressives, voted for the United Party, and hoped that the Nationalist Party would remain in power.”
However, the most striking feature of Jewish political behavior under apartheid was that Jews were vastly overrepresented among those banned by the government because of their opposition to apartheid. For example, Jews represented more than half the whites arrested in the Treason Trial of 1956 and almost half of whites suspected of being members of the Communist Party in 1962; in the public mind therefore, “Jews were inordinately prominent in the ranks of those who were attempting to subvert the state.” The best predictor of Jewish participation in radical politics in South Africa was exposure to the political radicalism of the Eastern European Jewish subculture as a child. As indicated below, it is the special character of this Jewish group that has been so critical to the revolution in race relations in the U.S. since WWII. (Shimoni, G. (2003; Community and Conscience: The Jews in Apartheid South Africa.)
This is similar to the American South prior to 1965. Jews generally went along with segregation. There is nothing in Judaism per se that is inconsistent with apartheid-style social systems. Indeed, ethnic separation is essential to Judaism, and Jews have often made alliances with oppressive elites. It was the politically radical Eastern European Jews who changed the world by promoting political radicalism — often in conjunction with Zionism. Leftist radicalism and Zionism are the two great movements of Jews in the last 100 years. (See also Caryl Johnston’s current TOO article on Douglas Reed.)
The contradictions between leftist radicalism as a Jewish Diaspora strategy (aimed at displacing non-Jewish elites–often with a mask of universalism) and Zionism (aimed at establishing a Jewish ethnonationalist state) remain with us. Abe Foxman and his ilk are still trying to have their cake and eat it too by promoting the leftist anti-White agenda in the Diaspora in Western Societies while also supporting the most extreme manifestations of ethnonationalism among the Israelis. But their rhetoric is getting quite threadbare as Israel’s apartheid nature is becoming apparent to all. At least people like Sharon and Peres understood the reality that in the end Israel would have to be an apartheid state — even though they had to be hypocrites in public.
Facing the Future as a Minority
I am not well informed as to the history of white settlement in South Africa, but I have been curious for a long time. I remember assertions made many years ago that I would like to enumenate here to see if they might elicit some educated comments: First, South Africa was largely unpopulated when white settlements began. Second, blacks were drawn to the region by employment opportunities provided by white entrepenures and farmers. third, as the black population grew ever larger the problem of violence became endemic; that the system of apartheid was origionally imposed to keep the tribalistic blacks from killing one another, as well as isolate the white community from the ruckus. Can anyone fill me in?
If I type fast enough I hope I will be the first poster for this article. Hopefully I will beat the poster Angry Jew, and so I can just post what he will inevitably say, as he says just about the same thing every time. Here goes.
“But not all Jews are liberals! There are many of us very conservative, pro-White Jews out there, in fact the whole country is crawling with them, regardless of what you read in the papers. Maybe some Jews wanted South Africa to go multicultural, but I can assure you, most of us hard-core conservative Jews wanted the exact opposite, and we are the true core of Judaism. All you have to do is appeal to us and we will jump on your White Nationalist bandwagon wholeheartedly, in a New York minute. In fact, Jews are white, as lily-white as Scandinavians, if not more so. We lived in Europe so long, we lost our Middle-Easterness and Europeanized completely, I assure you, so forget about those genetic studies: we are just like you in thought and deed. So join with me and support Israel, my white blood brothers!”
Hopefully I did you justice, Angry Jew. Let me know if I left anything out.
What an interesting topic, Kevin. Apartheid is actually a wise strategy for coexistence between wildly different races inhabiting the same general territory. The Israeli portion of world Jewry knows that to be true. That’s why they were an ally of White South Africa longer than the traitors in the West, which, let’s face it folks, was pretty damn commendable.
Unfortunately, the Communist Party of South Africa and the population of Jews in SA (with the help of the Anglo-American Jewish owned media) really destroyed the White government. Whites could have possibly negotiated a “two-state solution” with the blacks and preserved some of their own lands – especially in the Cape, and maintained a first world society, but it was not to be.
It was the Jews fault, but not the Israeli Jews fault.
Israel is a terrorist state that has threatened to nuke Italy and the rest of Europe. Jewish supremacists in America like New York Senator Charles Schumer openly declare themselves “protectors” of Israel – a foreign nation – and AIPAC staffers are allowed to commit treason and espionage against the USA. The “mainstream” media – ABC CBS FOX NBC MSNBC CNBC New York Times, Wall Street Journal, LA Times, the History Channel – are nearly always indistinguishable from Israeli propaganda. Not to mention their management is heavy with actual Israeli Jews.
If there is any hope for America to rid themselves of this Zionist Fifth Column, it’s probably General Petraeus, who has supposedly taken some halting steps towards reigning in the terrorist Zionist regime in Palestine. Petraeus is supposed to be the best White America has to offer. If he’s another Zionist shill, it’s probably hopeless.
Petraeus knows about “Al Qaeda” and 911. Does White America have any heroes left? Time will tell.
Last week was the anniversary of the bombing of the USS Liberty.
Does Israel really pursue its own self interest? As Jews acquire more power, it seems they are correspondingly driven to jeopardize that power by increasing provocation. If that is true, they will remain insecure no matter how much power they obtain.
Considering the combined wealth of Zionists, it hardly makes sense for Israel to jeopardise its population over a few square miles of land. The war with Palestinians that has lasted 60 years and shows no sign of ending. Israel has made deadly enemies of all its neighbours. Survival amidst never-ending warfare depends on keeping an iron grip on US policy-making forever.
Jewish insecurity will motivate a continued seeking of ever greater power. Achieving greater power will stimulate even more outrageous provocation which will increase the insecurity. The spiral will continue building upon itself until overreach. Slaughter and expulsion is the recurring asymptotic end for every Jewish historical cycle.
Dr. Pierce had a brilliant ADV about South Africa. The problem, as here today, was Jews passing as white. The Jews’ critique of apartheid posed as a critique from within, all the more powerful as these seemingly altruistic “white” critics of apartheid appeared morally superior to the white defenders of apartheid who, after all, were only defending their own interests. That’s something that blacks could never have accomplished.
But hypocrisy among Jews about apartheid-related issues is utterly commonplace, and I can’t see any reason why Peres should be an exception.
properly speaking, the sentence ought to be shortened and the meaning broadened, namely, But hypocrisy among Jews is utterly commonplace.
to humans, hypocrisy is a filthy vice, evoking sight of a snake’s forked tongue, but to jews, it signifies a valuable skill of multitasking as it were.
jew is an utterly goal oriented materialist who has happily traded his soul for the present gain, karmic balance is beyond comprehension or interest to him.
the skill in deception and manipulation is a point of pride the way a master chef prizes ability to season a dish to perfection.
when will humans understand this and respond rationally?
The DOCUMENTED history of the Fall of RSA is clear that the Jews were involved at every level.
From Joe Slovo of SACP to Helen Suzman to the owners of DeBeers and on and on.
They may have USED RSA to obtain uranium and other strategic metals but they did to RSA what they are doing to USA.
I did wish to mention that I knew a Rhodesian family, lovely people, who fled the black marxist regime there and they were REFUSED asylum refused refugee status and shipped back to Zimbabwe. ZOG, it really is true, even old Peter Brimelow has stated it as so.
White ruled South Africa had nuclear weapons but that didn’t save it, one difference is that Israelis looking to the future demographics have the option of expulsion (which would be used at a time when the worls war distracted).
The conflict with the Palestinians serves a purpose for Israel in allowing them to get away with apartheid. It’s not obvious that Israel would benefit from a final peace agreement because ongoing internal and external security ‘problems’ are actually the best solution to the real threat to Israels existence (ie losing the goodwill of the USA). With a normal security situation Israel would have to start behaving like a normal country but as things are that will never happen. I do wonder how young Jews are going to feel about spending their lives in a Yisrael Beiteinu state, I’ve read that the emigration of young educated South Africans was instrumental in making white rule untenable.
He got the essentials correct but Douglas Reed always seemed too literal minded and ready to believe in actual conspiracy for my liking, as was Revilo Oliver. In their later writing both became increasingly pessimistic about the future for whites.
I remembered reading about Jewish influence in Africa on David Duke`s web site.
I thought this was interesting :
Quotes from a South African Government Gazette, 1962, which listed persons who have been office-bearers, officers, members or active supporters of the Communist Party of South Africa. The list included 66 clearly identifiable as Jews, 61 white non-Jews and two uncertain. At the time, the South African population was approximately 3 million whites, while the South African Jewish population was 110.000.
Jews were almost thirty times more likely to become members of the Communist Party than were white Gentiles.
Kevin:
Duke`s thinking about running for President.
Excellent. Hope he does. Hope he wins.
If he was running for Prime Minister in Britain, he`d get my vote.
He`s fought against Jewish influence his entire life, and has awakened many of our people. Great guy.
That’s the first time I’ve ever seen a picture of Jabotinsky. What a frightening, cold-blooded creature! Seriously, he looks like a character out of a 1984 style dystopia, or a science-fiction film about a planet ruled by pure evil.
I feel like getting a poster of this guy just to remind myself what we are up against, but I’m afraid I might start having severe nightmares!
“If there is any hope for America to rid themselves of this Zionist Fifth Column…”
So many naive people on this site. Listen dude, here’s reality – Zionism isn’t a “fifth column” in Kwa. It is Kwa.
Opinions on what it means to be Jewish: A) The differences between a Jewish soul and the souls of non-Jews — all of them in all different levels — is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and the souls of cattle.”
According to Norman Podhoretz’s son in law by the name of Elliott Abrams, in his book Faith or Fear:
B) “How Jews Can Survive in Christian America,” he writes: “Outside the land of Israel, there can be no doubt that Jews, faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand apart from the nations in which they live. It is the very nature of being Jewish to be apart and SEPARATE– except in Israel — from the rest of the population.” Judaism and the Jewish way of life,” writes Abrams, is not “entirely voluntary, for the Jew is born into a covenantal community with obligations to God.” Jews, he goes on, “are in a permanent covenant with God and with the land of Israel and its people. Their commitment will not weaken if the Israeli government pursues unpopular policies …”
C) The Jewish sense of alienation from, and abiding distrust of, non-Jews is also manifesT IN “We’re Right, the Whole World’s Wrong,” it is written by Rabbi Dov Fischer, an attorney and a member of the Jewish Community Relations Committee of the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles.
Rabbi Fischer is also national vice president of the Zionist Organization of America. So this essay was not written by an obscure or semi-literate scribbler, but rather by a prominent Jewish community figure. And it did not appear in some marginal periodical, but rather in what is perhaps the most literate and thoughtful Jewish weekly in America, and certainly one of the most influential.
In his essay, Rabbi Fischer tells readers: “If we Jews are anything, we are a people of history”.
“Today, once again, we alone are right and the whole world is wrong. The Arabs, the Russians, the Africans, even the Vatican ….
Are not such views representative. Somewhat reaffirming the Ghettos, the protagonists in Russia’s revolution,. et al. Given such admissions as has been stated by several pundits history has a way of repeating itself or as the Franls claim, “plus ca change plus que c’est la meme chose”.
Dr. Macdonald in the end the issue of the Rodney King question. “cant we all get along” is there only one guilty party?
Let’s see if I’m understanding this correctly.
Apartheid was right in South Africa but it’s wrong in Israel.
It wasn’t international sanctions, boycotts and an increasingly effective guerilla war based in the neighboring states of Angola and Mozambique that convinced Pretoria that majority rule must come, it was a few Jews in South Africa’s tiny Communist Party.
And Jews not only have the Talmud in their genes, whatever their beliefs, the Communist Manifesto is right in there with it.
i started developing a thought that hypocrisy occupies the highest rung among judaic virtues:
… hypocrisy among Jews is utterly commonplace
then it occurred to me that this exceedingly clever and wise man said pretty much the same thing:
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith
note the Pharisees, hypocrites! contains a comma, rather than “and”, let alone “or”.
i believe that in a number of european societies, the pairing of
pharisees – hypocrites,
expressed an equivalence class, i.e., the intersection was identical with the union for all practical purposes.
@Nungman
“Let’s see if I’m understanding this correctly.”
Translation: time for some obfuscation.
“Apartheid was right in South Africa but it’s wrong in Israel.”
jews say apartheid was wrong in South Africa but ok in Israel.
“It wasn’t international sanctions… etc”
jews led the anti-apartheid movement as part of their kulturkampf to pathologize white ethno-centricity. The effectiveness vis a vis South Africa is moot.
“And Jews not only have the Talmud in their genes, whatever their beliefs, the Communist Manifesto is right in there with it.”
The evolutionary consequences of following the Talmud strictures on separation including (imo) dangerously intense paranoia.
Communist manifesto: chosen people -> vanguard of the proletariat.
Evolution normally is a process of hundreds of thousands of years. But Jews were able to do it in just the fifteen hundred years since the Talmud was written? Man, those Jews really must have supernatural powers!
“…kulturkampf to pathologize white ethno-centricity.”
Who organized this “kulturkampf”? Who’s directing it? Where are the headquarters? Or maybe there’s a sort of Jewish al Queda.
Who did you say had “intense paranoia”? Maybe it’s just their mind “Wandrin”.
Nungman says: “Evolution normally is a process of hundreds of thousands of years.”
Nonsense.
We were proud of helping South Africa and almost got it a nuclear bomb.
Now that “country” can go to hell. Mandeltopia – Arzania – big fucking anus spread wide with fecal covered hemarrhoids showing.
A big middle finger to those of my tribe who are “ashamed” of the episode. I’m ashamed of you. You’re what I call “kikes” (compared to me, who is a Jew).
How many Jews remain in South Africa? Many if not most of them seem to have migrated to English speaking countries, where they continue their destructive agenda.
“Evolution normally is a process of hundreds of thousands of years.”
Apparently not.
“Who organized this “kulturkampf”? Who’s directing it? Where are the headquarters? Or maybe there’s a sort of Jewish al Queda.”
Hollywood originally.
“Who did you say had “intense paranoia”?”
jews – given their history it would be a useful survival trait.
It’s all part of a larger pattern of Jews using non-Whites to destroy White colonies (such as South Africa) around the world.
Now that Jews have destroyed the White colony in South Africa, the Jewish population has largely moved away – to the USA, Australia, Europe, etc. However, a major Jewish contingent has remained behind in South Africa to continue exploiting the major mineral resources of SA utilizing Black labor (basically slave labor). Many South African Jews built huge fortunes in the mines there in SA.
Eman, the Jews of South Africa are both anti- and pro-Apartheid? Having brought down the old system (which they secretly ran) they wish still to keep it going? Orwell coined a term for this “logic”–**doublethink** I believe it was.
Now, Wandrin, did the Jews find a way around Darwinian evolution? Have they managed to speed it up a hundredfold? This is way better than developing the Polio vaccine, antibiotics or the theory of relativity!
Very popular even in countries not friendly to the United States, American movies and television shows are a major source of foreign exchange for this country, which does not have a lot of export industries left. Hollywood employs many Americans at good pay and is one of the few industries here that is not only up-to-date but constantly pioneering new techniques and technology. It is a creative industry, too and creative people do tend to be culturally and politically liberal. Also they are fiercely opposed to totalitarianism in all its forms.
The jewish run American film and t.v. industry with it’s anti-white multi-cult anti-christian, anti-family propaganda is the most totalitarian industry that exists. You try and criticise Jews like Mel Gibson and you are ostracised.
Dorothea–
Sedevacantist schismatic Mel Gibson would be spending a relaxing afternoon on the rack if the Holy Office were active today.
He doesn’t like Jews and they return the sentiment? So, boo hoo. He still has his money, money enough to build his own church outside Los Angeles, his profession, his family,
No doubt Mel would be happier in Franco’s Spain or Bourbon France, but…
Nungman
“Now, Wandrin, did the Jews find a way around Darwinian evolution?”
Apparently not.
“Very popular even in countries not friendly to the United States… etc”
Short translation: Chaff.
Hollywood began the kulturkampf against traditional white, Christian America. It’s a strategy. jews use the media to make white people feel guilty about white ethno-centricity while jews themselves carry on with their usual extreme level of ethnic nepotism and hyper-racial (to the extent they’ll defend a child-rapist as long as he’s jewish and the victim isn’t) world-view.
It obviously makes ethnic competition easier for them if they’re competing as a group against a lot of atomized individuals.
“did the Jews find a way around Darwinian evolution? Have they managed to speed it up a hundredfold?”
No, I wouldn’t say the Jews *found* a way to speed up evolution, as in deliberately, consciously, purposefully caused it to happen.
However, Greg Cochran and Henry Harpending have provided evidence that, yes, indeed, human evolution HAS sped up in the last 10,000 years — due to vastly increased population numbers providing natural selection with more copies of genes to work upon –with those populations living the pastoral / agricultural lifestyle, (which would include middle easterners, thus Jews) providing the greatest increases in population, thus providing the most opportunities for evolutionary change, thus the most evolution.
http://the10000yearexplosion.com/
“Hollywood began the kulturkampf against traditional white, Christian America. ”
In other words, “Stop the world! I want to get off.”
The trouble with that thesis, barb, is that Ashkenazi Jews supposedly “evolved” their superior I.Q.’s as recently as the late 1700′s when they were largely urbanized Europeans, not Middle Eastern sheepherders.
If Jews seem better at using their brains it’s due to cultural factors not physical evolution. Statistics on immigrant groups in early 20th century America showed that Jewish teenagers were the most likely to be in school and the least likely to be in jail. Was that genetic, or because education was valued and drunkenness condemned?
That book is just eugenics–making better babies–in more modern dress.
Nungman,
“In other words, “Stop the world! I want to get off.”
No. Hollywood’s celluloid version of Der Sturmer. The same boot. Different foot. Ethnic conflict in cultural form.
Eugenics, if carried out long enough with enough people, IS evolution.
And Cochran and Harpending put the Ashkenazi smarts-getting as having happened not just in the 1700s when they were emancipated by the Freemasons, but in the middle ages when they were filling the high-IQ occupational niche of money- lending at interest to the Christians who were forbidden, so upwards of a 1000 years of breeding for smarts.
But being middle-eastern sheepherders in the years B.C. gave them the boost necessary to have enough brainiacs in the populaiton when they got to Europe for the advantageous adaption of high IQ in the money-lending environment to be selected for.
Re: the Jewish teenagers, genetic.
Alcoholism certainly has a genetic component. Alcoholism runs in families, and adoptees are likely to be alcoholics if their bioparents were, even when their adoptive parents are not.
Cochran and Harpending make the point that pop. groups without a long history of growing grains, like American Indians, are far more susceptible to alcoholism, because they haven’t evolved the necessary resistance, than populations that have been brewing beer for hundreds of generations.
That’s right, Barb. Eugenics is just man-made evolution. We can control it and get the outcome we desire.
Nungman: It is a simple matter to speed up evolution, even if you’ve never heard of evolution. Selective breeding, it’s called, and it has been practiced by humans since the first wolves were domesticated. Wealthy Jews were glad to marry their daughters to poor boys who excelled at Torah study, thus investing more resources in the smartest young men, enabling them to support more offspring. Do that for a few centuries and you get a 15 point increase in IQ. Yes, that’s eugenics. It works for cows, horses, chickens, wheat, corn, and humans. That’s not so hard to understand, is it?
Nungman: Joseph Sobran once wrote that people don’t really have double standards, they just have a single standard that they’re not telling you about. I don’t know much about Jews in South Africa, but it is entirely possible that they both benefitted from it and destroyed it. After all, the Left in America is largely Jewish, and so is Wall Street. The single standard that unites these apparently opposite positions, is hatred for the Goyim and greed for the wealth he created. So it could well be for South Africa. Destroy the Afrikaner nation and take as much of its wealth as possible before it falls.
Jewish beer, Barb? I’ve never heard of it. You must be thinking of Jewish **beards**.
Selective breeding for intelligence is not evolution any more than breeding quarter horses for speed is.
For centuries it was believed that Jews couldn’t fight and couldn’t farm. Just born that way. Did they evolve these abilities in two generations or three to create the highly productive **kibbutz** agriculture and the Israel Defense Forces?
I disagree that Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ’s of any group, as alleged by those two authors. Look at the Parsees of India, the last remaining Zoroastrians of what once were many millions. They are prosperous, insular and resented, and said to be highly intelligent. So are the Copts of Egypt, the Ibo of Nigeria and the Armenians wherever they reside. What these groups have in common is not evolution but the condition of being minorities.
What is wrong with this series? Parsees, Copts, IBO, Armenians. The Ibo shouldn’t be included in that series. There is nothing about the Ibo tribe that makes them outstanding in the intelligence department, unless you think that sending out endless scam emails from Nigeria constitutes high intelligence.
Yes, Discard (what a perfect name!), it is easy to understand. Provided you are willing to think of people as cows and chickens.
The Nazis were not alone in their belief in selective breeding of human beings. What distinguished them was how far they were willing to take it. From the **Lebensborn** castles all the way to Treblinka. The latter, however came closer to success than the former, the expected bumper crop of blond, blue-eyed bastards failing to appear.
It all falls neatly in place when you start with the conclusion. No wonder **Mein Kampf** sold so well it made Hitler a rich man. It’s all laid out there.
Jews are subject to myths, too. Many believe the one about wealthy men in the villages of eastern Europe marrying their daughters to the brightest **yeshiva** boys. There’s about as much evidence for that as for the natural superiority of the Nordic “race”.
And barb, the Jews of medieval Europe had no other trade than usury? No lens grinders like Spinoza, no artisans working in gold and copper, no dyers of cloth named **Farber** or dairymen named **Milsch**?
@Discard
“After all, the Left in America is largely Jewish, and so is Wall Street. The single standard that unites these apparently opposite positions, is hatred for the Goyim and greed for the wealth he created.”
I think the greed is part of the racial and religious hatred. They project their hatred and become paranoid and that paranoia leads both to the desire to undermine, attack and destroy the host nation and to craving wealth as security against the host retaliating.
The problem with the resulting strategy is that it works well in the beginning but in the course of taking over a country and destroying the old elites they always end up causing so much damage everything starts to fall apart so they swarm.
http://www.forward.com/articles/12627/
Nungman is being willfully dense. Genetics works for humans just like it does for dogs. Selective breeding is a way of speeding up evolution by substituting the needs of the breeder for natural processes, but there is no difference genetically speaking
A myth that wealthy Jews were willing to marry a daughter to a smart yeshiva boy from a poor family? Not according to a couple Orthodox Rabbis I used to know, men with arranged marriages. Why would a wealthy Jew give his daughter to a rich but dumb man?
As for Jews’ fighting ability, it ought be remembered that WW2 served as a screening process for European Jews. In biology, it’s called a “genetic bottleneck”. The Jews of 1947 Palestine were those who had the strength and spirit to escape the Nazis, or had chosen to leave a familiar life in Europe before the war to become pioneers. They were not typical. OTOH, the Jews of America distinguished themselves by their cowardice. They were 3.5% of the population, and 3.5% of the U.S. military, but only 2.5% of American war dead. About what you’d expect of a people bred for treachery.
And you were doing so well there, Discard.
Perhaps there are other ways to serve one’s country than stopping a bullet. By general agreement the USA had by far the best medical services of any World War II combatant nation. I like to think the thousands of Jewish doctors and other medical personnel who served in base hospitals and field hospitals and aboard ship in every theater had a part in saving the lives or preserving the sanity of so many of their fellow Americans.
Yes, the core of the Israeli Army was not the exhausted camp survivors but those who had the zeal or the prescience to leave Europe in earlier times. Some, not many, came from Germany, often with the enthusiastic assistance of the Nazi authorities. I believe all the judges presiding at the Eichmann trial were German-born along with of course the police official to whom the accused told his story for weeks on end.
The problem with that cherished myth is that there was an endless supply of marriagable daughters and few bright scholars to go round. In more advanced parts of Europe Jews were onto something the rest of the world only now is coming around to: education for girls.
Nungman: Can anyone seriously suggest that the reason for Jewish non-participation in combat is that they were all doctors? How many of the 550,000 Jews who spent time in uniform during WW2 were physicians? You mention “thousands”. What about the other half-milllion plus? If American Jews had been real men, they’d have been volunteering to fight the Nazis personally, not settle back and fill out forms, ordering boot laces and C-rations for the fighting men. They whine about the holocaust, but when they had a chance to do something about it, they chose to let the Goyim do the dying instead. And please, none of that, “well, the Army assigned them to clerical work, so they did what they were told”. The military does not punish men who desert their desks to fight. Audie Murphy is only the best known of the rear echelon troops who ran away to the front.
You don’t need an endless supply of rich daughters and bright scholars to practice eugenic breeding. Just try to ensure that the bright scholars that you do have don’t remain childless, and if possible, that they can support large families. In the next generation, there will be more bright young scholars, and their numbers will increase with each generation after that. The Gurnsey cow and the Doberman Pinscher were not created in a single lifetime, and neither was the Jewish elite.
BTW, education for girls does nothing to promote eugenics, unless it is used to identify which ones ought to have the most children. For boys, Torah study served to identify the more intelligent, as well as training them in logic, marking them as suitable sons-in-law. Education today tends to remove women from the gene pool, which is a good reason to oppose it. If a woman is smart enough to become a doctor, the greatest contribution she can make to her community would be to have eight kids. Putting intelligent women to work instead of having babies is precisely analogous to eating your seed corn. You benefit today, but what will you plant in the spring?
Discard, you must be real popular with the ladies!
I’m no feminist and I’ll grant there are some anxieties about dwindling fertility rates in the Western world but I know what year I’m living in.
This was not just the official Nazi policy on the role of women (**Kinder, Kuche, Kirche**), it’s also how the Hasidics look at it today. You’d fit right in. And the best part is…they’ll find a girl for you no matter how long it takes.
Audie Murphy was a great soldier, but so was Barney Ross. Joe Foss was a daring pilot but so was Murray Shubin from Pennsylvania who shot down five Jap planes in one afternoon. But this is unnecessary. American Jews have nothing to apologize for regarding their service in any of this country’s wars.
But here’s a coincidence. The very same accusation appears in **Mein Kampf** in regard to the First World War and it was just as false. The Association of German-Jewish War Veterans **Reichsbund jüdischer Frontsoldaten (RjF)** proved by statistics that Jews had been wounded and killed in exact proportion to their share of the population.
It is a fact that Jews were only 2.5% of America’s WW2 dead. I got it from Jewish sources. I had to do the math myself, but 10,500 Jewish dead divided by 405,000 American dead is a pretty simple calculation. Do you contend that more than 10,500 American Jews died in service during WW2?
I don’t deny that some Jews fought well. I’ll even add David Marcus to your list, a staff and training officer who contrived to jump into Normandy without ever having gone to jump school. He spent about six weeks AWOL, fighting the Germans. But American Jews cannot collectively hide behind a few heroes. If anyone should have been motivated to get in the fight, it’s the Jews. They really ought be greatly overrepresented among the casualties, but they’re not. As a group, they shirked when they should have been leading the charge, to their eternal shame. But you’re right about one thing, I don’t expect any apologies.
How women feel about the subordination of their sex has no bearing on the biological facts. If a woman has an IQ of, say, 130, the best thing she could do for society would be to have a litter of six or eight kids, all with above average intelligence. The society that puts its women’s wombs to work will fall behind economically perhaps in the short term, but will more than make it up after a couple of decades.
The year is 2010, 90 years after women got the vote in this country. Men have unambiguously ruled women for as long as humans have existed, and women’s suffrage is a mere experiment in history. For that matter, voting at all is an experiment, and it is proving to be an unsuccessful form of government, except for its propaganda value among children who actually imagine that “the People” rule in this country. This government will be unable to pay its debts, as several states and some European countries already are, and will not be able to solve its problems. New forms of government will arise. No, make that older, time-tested forms, in Europe as well as here. Women’s “rights” will be a joke, as they are in most of the world today.
Jewish beer, Barb? I’ve never heard of it. You must be thinking of Jewish **beards**.
You’re just being a p.i.t.a. I was generalizing to ALL populations that have a long history of drinking alcoholic beverages. Not everybody lived in a climate to grow grapes to drink wine. Duh.
Re: smart women having babies vs. careers. You are correct, Discard. I can say from personal experience, mothering my children was light years more satisfying and enjoyable and a worthy use of my life’s energy than the years I’ve spent in a career. I used to be a La Leche League Leader. I’ve talked to literally hundreds of smart women who feel the same way.
Excellent book: Of Cradles and Careers. Last paragraph, to paraphrase, the author says: “When I’ve expressed my gutwrenching pain at leaving my infant, people say, oh, come on, it’s not that bad.
Yes, it is. It is that bad.”
Discard, if you want to blame someone, blame the personnel policies of the US Army. While in Germany the infantry was the elite corps, it got the leavings–the men who scored lowest in mental ability–in this country. For a fuller explanation read **Fighting Power** by van Crefeld.
Scoring higher on Army mental tests, Jewish recruits were more often assigned to technical spots: intelligence officers like the young Henry Kissinger or radiomen like Sgt. Jacob Beser who flew on the **Enola Gay**.
The problem if disparate fertility rates needs to be approached from the other end. Increasing the educational opportunities for girls in countries of high fertility is much more likely to succeed than reducing them here.
“Increasing the educational opportunities for girls in countries of high fertility is much more likely to succeed than reducing them here.”
No, Nungman.
Our problem is not with high fertility of non-Whites in their own countries. Those people we can leave to stew in their own toxic brew. The calamity for America is the high fertility of non-Whites here.
And, anyway, we’re broke. No more meddling around with “nation building” neoconnery. Not our job to poke our noses into other countries’ business. Send ‘em birth control, nothing else, and keep them out of our country.
Nungman, you’re not making sense. If, as you say, the infantry was the elite, why would it get the leavings? In any case, if a man wanted to fight, the Army couldn’t stop him. As I pointed out, Audie Murphy repeatedly left his headquarters post to go out on patrols. His punishment was to be transferred to and infantry squad. Truck drivers died in the infantry, mechanics went on bombing raids as gunners, and they were never court martialed for being AWOL. In the First World War, Frank Luke died fighting Germans while under arrest for insubordination. If a Jew wanted to fight Nazis, he could. Even if he was stuck in Alabama as a clerk in a training company, all he had to do was get on a train, get off in the next state, and enlist under another name, taking care to do poorly on the aptitude test. Or go to Canada, they’d snap him up. Or just get on a ship bound for Europe, claiming to have lost his papers. There were no computers then, they’d just take you and figure that your papers would catch up, it happened all the time. Even in my time in the service, I was able to re-direct myself simply by asking a clerk to make a change. And once I was stolen by another unit that needed to fill a slot. The infantry eats up men, and will take anyone who shows their face. Even Jewish clerks without papers who just want to fight. If a Jew didn’t fight, it’s because he didn’t want to.
BTW, combat aircrew had a casualty rate second only to the infantry. Were Jews over-represented among combat flyers, they’d of had higher death rates.
As for Henry Kissenger, he was an intelligence sergeant (not an officer) because he was a native German speaker, not because he was smart. Given that particular skill, putting him in the infantry would have been a waste of a valuable resource. The Army had a whole base, Camp Richie, for people like him, fluent in one or more European languages.
Discard, you agree, then that some men could do more for their country without carrying a rifle, men with special skills, even vital ones like thoracic surgeons or maybe even those with intelligence enough to benefit from advanced training.
Today, the most “Jewish” of the US armed forces is the Air Force. It is not coincidentally the branch with the highest mental standards.
Did I read something here about a double standard? It was not enough for Jews to serve like other Americans. They would have had to resort to insubordination to satisfy you. Did Polish-Americans have to quit their posts, committing a serious military offense, and sneak aboard troopships? How about Americans of Norwegian or Greek descent? The Nazi occupiers behaved brutally in those countries, too.
In ranting about “Jewish clerks” you recite from **Mein Kampf** almost word for word. How many times have you read that “great work”?
Look again at the start of my last. It was in **Germany** that the highest category of soldiers went to the infantry. Exactly the reverse in the US Army.
Yes, Barb, we are broke and need to make stringent economies. Do you know what it costs to operate just one of our huge, obsolete and pathetically vulnerable aircraft carriers?
Maybe we can’t keep foreign people and ideas out and maybe we don’t want to. Living in the past is what this blog is all about, isn’t it?
ps: “…neo **conneries**”? A little pun **en francais**?
Nungman: I misunderstood your comments on Germany putting its best men into the infantry. I stand corrected.
I agree that some men are much more valuable as technicians than as infantry. My own father was a prewar aircraft mechanic, and spent the war fixing bombers for the Army Air Force. But how many of the 550,000 Jews that served were thoractic surgeons, or physicians at all? Or aircraft mechanics? Jews are and have always been underrepresented in most of the skilled trades, jewelers and watchmakers aside. Men who did have a skilled trade were usually draft exempt, as was my father. Most Jews came into the service with no skills particularly relevant to the military, except a higher than average level of literacy. That is why the Army put them to work as clerks.
I have never read a page of Mein Kampf. If Hitler agrees with me, then maybe he was right about something. Hold off on this guilt by association, since I have no association with the man or his party. I write as a former philo-semite who is open minded enough to change my views when new information comes to my attention. I first read about the Jew’s non-participation is a picture book at a Jewish friend’s house. A photo showing a few soldiers was captioned “…8000 American Jews died fighting tyranny…” or something like that. As a math-minded man, I immediately saw that that was only 2% of our war dead. I did further research at a Jewish library, and found the corrected figure of 10,500, which included non-combat deaths.
Quitting your post to go and fight is not a serious military offense. Especially if your post is a desk. The Army will more likely reward you. No fighting general will punish a man who left his typewriter and picked up a gun. They’d more likely make him a sergeant.
Were Polish Americans, Norwegian Americans, or Greek Americans underrepresented among our casualties? Did even German Americans fail to bleed for their country equally? No, it is Jews who allowed others to die in their place in what was, after all, their fight more than anyone else’s. The double standard lies in excusing their cowardice.
@Nungman
“Maybe we can’t keep foreign people and ideas out and maybe we don’t want to. Living in the past is what this blog is all about, isn’t it?”
Genocidal jewish racists don’t want to stop mass immigration because mass immigration is their final solution to the Aryan problem.
Living in the future is what this blog is about.
“In ranting about “Jewish clerks” you recite from **Mein Kampf** almost word for word. How many times have you read that “great work”?”
No mass murder of tens of millions of white people by jewish Bolsheviks in Russia – no Hitler.
@barb
“You’re just being a p.i.t.a.”
It’s how they argue. To you it’s an honest debate with rules. To them it’s ethnic warfare with no rules. I suggest just hitting them with statements and saving honest debate for honest people. Just a suggestion mind – your choice.
The only pita I know of is a kind of middle eastern bread. What does it mean?
There is **no** official or even majority Jewish position on immigration policy. Jews are all over the spectrum with many holding prominent office in restrictionist groups, like FAIR and CIS
Discard, do you know how many Polish-Americans or Greek-Americans died in the War? I sure don’t. But I do know that do-it-yourself transfer in any military organization won’t get you a promotion but some time in the guardhouse. It’s not like in the movies, take it from me.
btw: What about Jews who were stationed in the Pacific? They had a duty to go AWOL and travel halfway round the world, I suppose, just so they could fight Hitler.
@Nungman
“There is **no** official or even majority Jewish position on immigration policy.”
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Immigration.pdf
Wandrin, you’ve misunderstood. I was commenting about a **Jewish** position on today’s **immigration** debate. [There isn't one.]
The position of Kevin MacDonald in regard to Jews, well I know all about that.
Let’s just say it isn’t particularly original…
“Günther divided the European population into six races, the Nordic, Phalic, Eastern, Western, Dinaric and East Baltic. “Western” and “Eastern” were, in practice, alternatives for the more widely used terms “Mediterranean” and “Alpine”. The “Phalic” race was a minor category dropped in many of his writings.
Of these races, the Nordic was the noblest and was the great creative force in history. Günther claimed to have found evidence that tall, blond Nordics were the founders of influential cultures almost everywhere. Opposed to the Nordics were the Jews, who were “a thing of ferment and disturbance, a wedge driven by Asia into the European structure.” Günther argued that the Nordic peoples should unite to secure their dominance.”
Nungman: I don’t know how many Greek Americans or Norwegian Americans died in WW2, but I do know that since Jews shirked their duty, other Americans had to do more than their share of the dying to make up for it.
A do-it-yourself transfer in the military, otherwise known as desertion, will get you time in the stockade, unless you run off to fight. Are you really telling me to “take it from me”, that they will clap you in handcuffs for dropping your pencil and taking up a gun without permission from your CO? You speak falsely, and I suspect, knowingly so. Nobody jailed Audie Murphy or David Marcus, or any of the other brave deserters I’ve read of. Perhaps you have an example of an American soldier court-martialed for deserting the motor pool and fleeing to danger at the front?
Of course, the Jewish soldier-clerk eager for combat, but afraid of losing his Good Conduct Medal could simply fail to do an adequate job. There was a constant trickle of goof-ups from nearby rocket battalions into my unit. If you don’t work out in the soft job, the Army has one that is better suited to you, the infantry. I myself started out as a mail clerk, but didn’t take to the work. “Make another mistake, Private Levin, and you’ll be out there humping.” There’s your chance, Levin.
btw: Jews fighting in the Pacific have no cause for shame. Even if they weren’t fighting Nazis, they were taking the place for another man who did. Jews who were in the rear areas of the Pacific could not possibly have hopped a ship to Europe, but they still could have taken their place at Saipan or Okinawa if they tried.
Before you bother coming up with more exceptions, look at yourself. You’re doing just what the Jewish cowards of the WW2 generation did: look for an out, a way to avoid bleeding like others did. That generation, as a group, was pretty successful at dodging harm, and that is my criticism. A reason here, an excuse there, and suddenly, they are only 2.5% of the war dead. As Jews they might be proud of that. As men they ought be ashamed.
What a logician! Reasoning backward allows you to just “know” that Jews were shirkers because like other American soldiers they followed the chain of command when they should have thrown off their uniforms and fought **as Jews**.
Discard, my experience is my concern. What I do know is if you hold the rank of colonel you might be able to pull some strings and arrange a seat on a transport. If you’re an enlisted soldier you do as you’re ordered whether it’s carrying mortar rounds or baking bread.
Perhaps some kind of mass suicide program including only Jewish servicemen would have brought the number of deaths up to where they “should” have been!
At the same time British soldiers were dying in the war to defeat Hitler, the terrorist group Irgun were assassinating British soldiers in Palestine. Many Arabs were also killed. Gentile lives mean nothing to the non-gentiles. We are just puppets that they use to get their way. Non-gentiles are not only cowards;they are treacherous
@Nungman
“Wandrin, you’ve misunderstood. I was commenting about a **Jewish** position on today’s **immigration** debate. [There isn't one.]”
Yes there is. They think jews would be safer if white people were reduced to being a minority and they’re probably right. White people however would be a lot less safe. These sort of conflicts of interest are why it’s better if different tribes have their own separate homelands.
There’s a long history of Jewish shirking. When the Grand Sanhedrin convinced Napoleon to emancipate the Jews, it was expected the Jews would serve in the French army. The Jews of France promptly took up the practice of paying Christians to do their military service for them.
Nungman, you know squat about the military, or you are not being truthful about what you do know. I have written four separate posts explaining that a soldier is not punished for running off to fight, but you insist that they are, because otherwise you are stuck with the fact of Jewish cowardice. You’re cornered and you’re babbling.
BTW, why didn’t more American Jews go off to fight for Israel in 1948? The Hagganah sure could have used the help, but American Jews were only about 1% of the Jewish dead in that war.
Well, at least Jews went to fight for the communists in the Spanish Civil War. Thousands of priests and nuns were murdered, some of them nailed to a cross. This was revenge for the expulsion of 1492.
“It’s how they argue. To you it’s an honest debate with rules. To them it’s ethnic warfare with no rules. I suggest just hitting them with statements and saving honest debate for honest people. Just a suggestion mind – your choice.”
Thank you, Wandrin. I’m still learning that lesson.
Nungman, I’m going to assume you’re a silly girl, and I’m going to indulge you rather than tell you to google it.
P.i.t.a. stands for pain in the ass.
Are you going to continue to be one?
Nungman: mass suicide of Jewish servicemen would have served no purpose. The point illustrated by the lower casualty rates of Jews is that, since casualties are a direct measure of exposure to risk, Jews took fewer risks. That’s all.
We have exhausted the matter of deserting to the front, but that’s actually just an extreme sort of case. Perfectly workable for a man who wants to fight, but not generally necessary. After all, a man could have simply enlisted and volunteered for a combat job. If that somehow didn’t work, he could have asked a clerk or a sergeant to send him to infantry training. No doubt they got and refused numerous requests for non-combat assignments, but there’s no reason to turn down a man who wants to risk his life. Or if that didn’t work, a man could even have paid a small bribe. I once asked a clerk at a replacement center to send me anywhere but where I was assigned to, and he did, just to help out another soldier. Once I paid our company clerk to not turn my leave paperwork in to the finance office, so I could collect a months pay for unused leave when I was discharged. People who have never been in the military imagine that it’s all saluting and rigid obedience, but all kinds of things can be arranged with the slightest initiative, and anyone who’s been in finds out quickly. Or is it just that Jews didn’t know how to work the system?
Yes, Edward and as Earnest Hemmingway observed of the Abraham Lincoln Battalion: “They fought as well as Americans have ever fought.”
As in any civil war there certainly were excesses on both sides–and long after it by the victorious Francoites whose summary executions shocked even Count Ciano. These all were done by Spaniards against other Spaniards. No Jews, no Americans involved.
No Discard, it’s you who insists that Jews are different from other Americans, burdened with special obligations and subject to special disabilities–quite properly of course! At least one Jew the aforesaid Col. Marcus did go off to Palestine to volunteer his services, strictly on his own, and was tragically killed. Does that mean they all had to?
Dorothea, there is no denying that some Jews in pre-state Palestine resorted to terrorism.
After the assassination of Lord Moyne–not by the Irgun but the even more fanatical Stern Group (**LEHI**)–the regular Zionist leadership started the **saison** in which they themselves hunted down the terrorist leaders, either turning them in or turning them over to the British authorities.
This would not be the last time Jew fought Jew in Palestine. Look up the affair of the **Altalena**.
Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir was Stern Gang operations commander who organized assassinations of Lord Moyne and Count Folke Bernadotte. Prime Minister Menachim Begin took part in terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel which killed 91 people. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon initiated the Sabra-Shatila massacre of 3000 people and was convicted in Israel of war crimes. Irgun terrorist Benjamin Emanuel bombed Palestinian buses and fathered Rahm Emanuel, IDF veteran and now Obama’s Cheif of Staff. Etc., etc., etc. etc.
Israel is and has always been a terrorist state.
Nungman: I agree that Jews are different from other Americans, but what are these special obligations and and disabilities? We are stuck with the fact that combat has a disparate impact on Jews and Gentiles: Jews take fewer risks and therefore suffer fewer casualties. 3.5% of the population, 3.5% of the military, but only 2.5% of the dead. That is a special privilege, not an obligation.
I made no suggestion that all American Jews should have died fighting for Israel’s independence, as you well know. I only asked why so few were willing to fight to keep the Arabs from driving the Jews into the sea, particularly when the holocaust was still fresh. Most of the Israeli troops were amateurs, which is why Col Marcus went there to train them. A few infantry battalions of American Jewish combat veterans would have won the war in a much shorter time with a lot fewer casualties. The only thing that saved the Jews from their own military inexperience and consequent ineptitude was the Arabs military inexperience and ineptitude. Could it not have been arranged for 1500 or 2000 American Jewish combat veterans to go and fight to save their brothers? Illegal? Yes. Workable? Absolutely.
I suppose you’re hoping to tell all your friends that you went on an anti-Semitic web site and tore all those Nazis up. Go ahead and tell them that, they’ll believe you. But we’re aware of Jewish games here. You don’t answer questions, you respond with an accusatory question. I ask why Jews didn’t fight and you say How many times have you read Mein Kampf and Maybe Jewish soldiers should have committed mass suicide. Save that for the weak minded. If you can’t engage in honest discourse, maybe you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Discard, your statements are strikingly congruent with those in **Mein Kampf** and you could look it up.
Honest discourse? I did not say Jews are different but pointed out that **you** plainly believe it. Once again you show you aren’t a good reader.
Indeed, the British authorities would have turned back any American volunteer force attempting to reach Palestine. Even Mickey Marcus had to use an assumed name so frightened was the US government of offending the Arabs. Glad you brought it up.
Special obligation to be killed. The only good Jew is a dead Jew?
Disabilities…well, American antisemitism has historically been of a relatively mild and unofficial sort, no concentration camps, no pogroms but for a long time banks and insurance companies wouldn’t hire Jews and said so in their want ads (“Christians only”), hotels wouldn’t accept Jewish guests, clubs discriminated quite openly, ivy league universities imposed admissions quotas–and perhaps still do–and kept Jews off their faculties.
But unlike other groups that suffered discrimination Jews didn’t march on the capital or demand that the government intervene. They worked where they could, in civil service and the public colleges for example. When college fraternities wouldn’t admit them, they started their own which also were open to black students.
And most of all, Jews established such a record of academic and scientific achievement that universities just couldn’t afford to discriminate against them any longer.
You’re repeating your lines, Nungman. You’re back to that Mein Kampf business again.
All Jews believe that Jews are different because they are taught so from birth. The “Chosen People”, as they say. For example, I have browsed extensively in one large Jewish bookstore in particular, and found the children’s section to be full of what I call “Jewish boast books”, endless cheerleading for how great and special Jews are. That is what Jewish children are taught. And if their parents are neglectful, the kids will get it through their friends and family. I’m not Jewish, and I got the message anyway from the Jewish kids in my neighborhood. And of course, because Jews are in fact different from other nations. Only liars and fools refuse to admit it. Their culture is all about difference, the beards, the funny clothes, the contempt for the Goyim. Sitting Shiva for children who marry outside the nation. The overwhelming presence of Jews in just about anything that subverts their host nations. Go peddle your stories to the naive.
The British could not and did not turn back any ships that arrived after the official date of their withdrawal from the Palestine Mandate. And David Marcus traveled under a fake name because it was illegal for an American to fight for a foreign nation, and because he was concealing his business from the British Mandate authorities. He could have lost his citizenship for the former, and been jailed by the British for the latter. It had nothing to do with American fear of Arab displeasure. Re-read your history.
Through synagogues and word of mouth, several battalions could have been formed, refreshed their training on private property, and sailed on chartered ships to Palestine, arriving the day after independence was declared. Unless the FBI had agents on the ground in Israel, they could not prove that anyone had violated American law. Surely a few good lawyers could have seen to the necessary details, if there had been enough American Jewish combat veterans willing to defend their tribe with something more than money.
Special obligation to be killed? Only good Jew is a dead Jew? Who wrote that? Not I. You’re having hysterics. Have a glass of wine.
Away with these deliberate distractions. Back to business. Why wouldn’t Jews fight? Why did they seek safe slots in the military instead of doing their utmost to destroy the Nazis? Why did so few Jews volunteer to defend Israel in 1948? Ask your father or grandfather or your uncles why they didn’t fight. Maybe they’ll have some fresh excuses.
Discard. Thanks for your well informed posts. Nungman is providing a useful service.The more he tries to defend the indefensible,the more I learn.
O, Discard, if I had dollar for every time I heard that song “Let’s You and Him Fight”!
As an American-born Israeli citizen and army veteran recently put it: “Israel is full of Jews who are not funny”. They fight, too and are quite proud that since those desperate days of the War of Independence they have never asked for a single foreign soldier.
I recently learned Paul Volcker the ex Fed chairman is Jewish, at least by ancestry. Why didn’t I see it? The funny clothes and beard are a dead giveaway. Then you got America’s favorite situation comic Jerry Seinfeld. No beard or other facial hair and I think he dresses casually but pretty well. **He’s** funny–or many people thought so–the clothes aren’t.
Citing examples of American Jews who go beardless does not change the fact that Jewish culture has always kept itself separate from host cultures, any more than pointing out some law-abiding Blacks would change the fact of extremely high Black murder rates. Pointing out that there are American Jews who will fight does not change the fact that during WW2 a disproportionate number of American Jews chose not to place themselves at risk, any more than citing a few Mexican engineers or physicians would change the facts of Mexican hostility to education. Jews are to courage what Blacks are to civic order and Mexicans are to learning. You know that.
You pretend to believe that “funny” in the above context means “comic”, rather than “peculiar” or “unusual” The usual diversions. You know better. You’re really scraping the bottom of the rhetorical barrel to counter the ugly truth: collectively, American Jews lacked either the guts or the dignity to fight the Nazis in person.