Did Schumer Shill for Madoff?

John Graham

In all the jaw-dropping and outrageous moments of the Madoff fraud saga, nothing surpassed it. But almost no one knew.

Starting about 1 hour 38 minutes 44 seconds into the Senate Banking Committee Hearing on “The SEC’s Failure to Identify the Bernard L. Madoff Ponzi Scheme and How to Improve SEC Performance” (September 10, 2009) Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) looks over his glasses at an SEC bureaucrat and intones:

When you read Mr. Kotz’s report (PDF)…it’s just astounding…How the heck did this happen…all you had to have was an IQ of about 100 and even a semi desire to find out what happened…you didn’t have to turn over every stone…most people if they’d just read what happened they’d say there’s got to be fraud…to let Madoff escape….

That is absolutely true.

If the SEC man had been a public servant of suicidal courage he would have squared his shoulders, looked Schumer in the eye, and said

Because, Senator Schumer, you called the SEC during our last and best-informed investigation, questioning our activities. Obviously Mr.Madoff was one of your constituents, and it was easy to find out he was an important contributor of yours. We were afraid.


A true hero would have added:

We could see that both of you were Jewish and we knew that very many members of the Jewish community, some of them very powerful, were extremely pleased with the returns they were receiving from Madoff. We knew he was a hero to many Jews. We knew that any effort to shut down Madoff before he actually failed would reap terribly lethal consequences.

That would have been absolutely true as well.

The SEC man was not a hero.

The evidence that Schumer tried to influence the last SEC Madoff investigation (2006–08), which resulted in negligible sanctions on Madoff, stems primarily from whistle-blower Harry Markopolos’s book No One Would Listen.

When he volunteered to give evidence on the fraud to the newly-appointed Inspector General of the SEC, David H. Kotz, Markopolos was surprised to be asked to testify on oath:

David Kotz began by telling me right off the bat that he was conducting a criminal investigation…. He asked a lot of questions about possible interference in the investigation, ranging from asking me if I knew anything about the phone call supposedly made by Senator Schumer (I didn’t)…. (pp. 239–43)

Previously Markopolos had said, “I was told by a government agency, for example, that at some point New York Senator Chuck Schumer called the SEC to inquire about the Madoff investigation” (p. 141). (From the context, this was all clearly in connection with the last SEC probe.)

Markopolos then proceeded to stand on his head to demonstrate that he had no suspicions about Schumer, but added

the SEC is funded by Congress.… For a middle-level SEC employee with ambitions, any case in which an important politician is involved is a case he or she wants to stay far away from.

That a Schumer call would chill an investigation is all too plausible.

But it gets weirder. The Senate Banking Committee hearing on September 10th 2009 had two sessions. Markopolos was scheduled to testify at the second session:

I appeared before what was supposed to be the Senate Banking Committee…only Senators Chuck Schumer, who had made a phone call to the SEC [my emphasis], and Jeff Merkley, a Democrat from Oregon, returned. Schumer took over the questioning…

When we returned, the whole feeling in the hearing room had changed. The SEC had reserved all the seats in the room… [My lawyer] took one look round and whispered to me, “The fix is in”.… I was surprised that I was asked so few questions. Senator Schumer seemed to focus on the other members of the panel … [my lawyer] started handing me cards urging me, “Jump in whenever you can.” …

Schumer carefully controlled this panel. I’m sure he had his reasons.

He certainly did. Confronted with an irrepressible maverick like Markopolos, Schumer must have been terrified that his intervention at the SEC would be blurted out. No wonder he took over the committee.

Needless to say, exactly how close Schumer really was to the Madoffs is obscure. No doubt dozens of wealthy New York Jewish families gave as much as Madoff to his campaigns. But Fortune claims

New York Senator Charles Schumer stopped by [Madoff’s] office in the run-up to the Iraq war and gave a rousing talk on the trading floor. (James Bandler & Nicholas Varchaver, How Bernie Did It, April 30, 2009)

And a poster at Huffington Post claims there was a Madoff-Schumer fund raiser at some point.

In our essay Is the Madoff Scandal Paradigmatic, Kevin Macdonald and I said

Thoroughly investigated, the Madoff scandal has the potential to illuminate the economic and political prerogatives usurped in late 20th-century America by what can only be described as the new ruling class. That will not be allowed to happen.

This could not be more vividly illustrated than by the Kotz report itself. This 457-page document prepared by the newly appointed Inspector General of the SEC, dated August 31 2009, spends 121 pages discussing why the investigation of 2006–08 — the last one before the collapse — failed and never mentions Senator Schumer’s call. Not even to dismiss it as a possible cause. This despite the fact that it appears to be only because of Kotz’s questions and Markopolos’ honesty that we know about the call at all.

To my mind this utterly destroys the integrity of the report. How can you evaluate a massive investigative failure and not mention an intervention by a very prominent Senator during the last and biggest probe?

H.David Kotz is Jewish and the son of an immigrant indirectly from Russia.

The only reference in the media to the Schumer intervention appears to be Schumer Denies Report He Called SEC on Madoff Probe by Glenn Thrush in Politico (February 26, 2010) — actually a denial by a staffer. Curiously this story is no longer archived on the Politico site but lingers on in cyberspace.

Recently I condemned The Picower Madoff settlement: A $7.2 Billion Whitewash.

Comparatively speaking, that was just a splash.

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130 Comments to "Did Schumer Shill for Madoff?"

  1. Mihail's Gravatar Mihail
    January 24, 2011 - 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Just read this important book,the day is coming when the American people wake up and the jewish devils from Synagogue of Satan(Revelation 2:9,,3:9) will be destroy,none will escape.
    Who Is Esau-Edom.

  2. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    January 23, 2011 - 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Lame, Caleb. Very lame. I thought Ashkenazi Jews were supposed to be smart? :roll:

    • Svend's Gravatar Svend
      January 26, 2011 - 9:40 am | Permalink

      They’re not. They’re aggressive and without a sense of fairness.

  3. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    January 23, 2011 - 8:16 am | Permalink

    Before the last Congressional election in November, 25% of the Congressional committees were chaired by Jews.

  4. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    January 23, 2011 - 8:01 am | Permalink

    John Graham, were you aware that 40% of the U.S. Senate committees are chaired by Jews? Here:

    Who Controls the Senate?

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 23, 2011 - 9:50 am | Permalink

      A disturbing statistic, Z.O.G., but here’s something to really throw a scare in us Caucasian People:


      Just think about that next time you chomp into that egg roll or tear open that pack of soy sauce…

    • January 23, 2011 - 10:21 am | Permalink


      This only has a prima facie appeal, and tends to assume other equalitarian assumptions. Over representation may still be the case, but is it entirely unexpected? Note, a subtle point is made below about gender diversity too?

      Also, give some thought to the People’s Republic of China. Why is their leadership so predominantly male, and why are their leaders engineers/scientists by training?

      Finally, why (if equalitarianism is a left-wing socialist tool) is it that China is NOT embracing ‘Human Rights’?

      Specific (rhetorical) questions:

      1) Do all ethnic groups have the same mean IQ?
      2) If there are twice as many males as there are females with IQs of 120 and above, what proportion of males to females might one expect in jobs which require higher than average (e.g a Standard Deviation or so higher than average) cognitive ability? (for reference, an IQ of 120+ puts one in the top 9% of the population).

  5. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    January 23, 2011 - 12:22 am | Permalink

    Dov Zackheim. . Wiki says he recoveered two thirds by 2004. But how do we know this is true? the one source Wiki cites is a government publication – the same government lied about 911, the Israeli attack on the U S S Liberty the Gulf of Tonkin Incident and on and on.

    The story reads:
    Zakheim Seeks To Corral, Reconcile ‘Lost’ Spending
    By Gerry J. Gilmore
    American Forces Press Service

    WASHINGTON, Feb. 20, 2002 – As part of military transformation efforts, DoD Comptroller Dov S. Zakheim and his posse of accountants are riding the Pentagon’s financial paper trail, seeking to corral billions of dollars in so-called “lost” expenditures.

    For years, DoD and congressional officials have sought to reconcile defense financial documents to determine where billions in expenditures have gone. That money didn’t fall down a hole, but is simply waiting to be accounted for, Zakheim said in a Feb. 14 interview with the American Forces Information Service. Complicating matters, he said, is that DoD has 674 different computerized accounting, logistics and personnel systems.

    Most of the 674 systems “don’t talk to one another unless somebody ‘translates,'” he remarked. This situation, he added, makes it hard to reconcile financial data.

    Billions of dollars of DoD taxpayer-provided money haven’t disappeared, Zakheim said. “Missing” expenditures are often reconciled a bit later in the same way people balance their checkbooks every month. The bank closes out a month and sends its bank statement, he said. In the meanwhile, people write more checks, and so they have to reconcile their checkbook register and the statement.

    DoD financial experts, Zakheim said, are making good progress reconciling the department’s “lost” expenditures, trimming them from a prior estimated total of $2.3 trillion to $700 billion. And, he added, the amount continues to drop.

    “We’re getting it down and we are redesigning our systems so we’ll go down from 600-odd systems to maybe 50,” he explained.

    This is the source. Zackheim – the suspect – is a single source saying he recovered the money. But how do we know unless we see all the invoices accounted for? There is no second source for this story. Does not meet the standards the Washngton post had for Watergate. Needed two sources.

    I have three sources saying 911 was an inside job – General Stubblebine, Prof. Obrovsky of the army war college and former italian president Cossegio.

    Isn’t Wiki Jewish run? Using your standards Caleb the single source in Wiki claimng the money was found does not meet your rigorous standards.

  6. Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
    January 22, 2011 - 11:36 pm | Permalink

    Which is it, Dan, counterintel or comptroller? You are getting your fantasies mixed up.
    If it’s the latter, you ought to remember that Dov Zakheim with degrees from Harvard, the London School of Economics and St. Antony’s College, Oxford had **found** two-thirds of those missing trillions by the time he left the DoD in 2004 and as of 2010 ninety percent was found.

    When Dr. Goldberg signed the commitment papers he was only practicing his profession. Don’t take it all so personally.

  7. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    January 22, 2011 - 9:30 pm | Permalink

    I am happy to see Israel pays Caleb full time to monitor our board. You are right Caleb, the strike at the pentagon conveniently destroyed evidence for the missing $2 trillion when RABBI Dov Zackheim was comptroller.

    An office of the Army that had just re-occupied the Pentagon’s recently renovated Wedge One, named Resource Services Washington, lost 34 of its 45 employees. Most were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. 3 Defense Secretary Rumsfeld had announced on the eve of the attack that more than $2 trillion was missing from the Pentagon.

    More than half of the victims were in the Navy Command Center, a command-and-control facility on the first floor of the Pentagon’s D-Ring.

    Many survivors suffered horrible injuries. Kevin Shaeffer was watching coverage of the attack in New York City with co-workers in the Navy Command Center when the plane struck, instantly killing 29 people in the same office. Shaeffer sustained second- and third-degree burns over 40 percent of his body

    To which I had that witnesses at the Pentagon smelled cordite after the crash, not jet fuel.

    Jim Marrs wrote:
    April Gallop, an Army employee with a Top Secret clearance, was at her desk in the Army administrative offices in the west section of the Pentagon on 9/11, the area of the building most heavily destroyed, when what she said sounded and felt “like a bomb” went off. “Being in the Army with the training I had, I know what a bomb sounds and acts like, especially the aftermath, and it sounded and acted like a bomb. There was no plane or plane parts inside the building, and no smell of jet fuel.” Ms. Gallop has given two hours of under-oath videotaped testimony to the author [2A] in which she states that the explosion went off at the precise instant she hit the ‘power on’ button on her computer in the Army administrative area, to which she had just returned that morning after months of pregnancy and childbirth leave, and that the explosion stopped her wrist watch, which also stopped at just after 9:30 a.m. [2B] She has kept the stopped wrist watch in a safe deposit box as evidence of the exact moment of the initial explosion.

    Jim Marrs further reports:
    “This Army financial management/audit area is part of, or contiguous to, the Army personnel offices, which was one of two main west section offices heavily destroyed in the Pentagon attack, the other being the Naval Command Center. The day before 9/11, September 10, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld held a press conference at which he acknowledged that the Pentagon was “missing” — could not account for and needed to “find” — $2.3 Trillion dollars (other reports said $2.6 Trillion). Were the auditors who could “follow the money,” and the computers whose data could help them do it, intentionally targeted? It is worth noting that the Pentagon’s top financial officer at the time, Dov Zakheim, who also acknowledged the “missing” trillions, had a company that specializes in aircraft remote- control technology. As remnants found in the Pentagon wreckage have been identified as the front-hub assembly of the front compressor of a JT8D turbojet engine used in the A-3 Sky Warrior jet fighter, [5] and as Air Force A-3 Sky Warriors — normally piloted planes — were secretly retrofitted to be remote-controlled drones and fitted with missiles in a highly compartmented operation at an airport near Ft. Collins-Loveland Municipal Airport in Colorado in the months before 9/11, [6] the question further arises as to whether Pentagon auditors and their computerized data were intentionally targeted on 9/11. ”

    More Marrs:
    “Multiple witnesses said they smelled cordite after the initial explosion at the Pentagon, an explosive which has a distinct and very different smell from that of burning jet fuel. [8] And as we have already noted, Ms. Gallop said there was no smell of jet fuel inside the most damaged section of the building shortly after the first violent event that stopped her watch there shortly after 9:30.

    Even Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld told Sam Donaldson in an ABC News interview shortly after 9/11 that he first thought a bomb had gone off in the building. Donaldson: “What did you think it was?” Rumsfeld: ” A bomb? I had no idea…”

    Marrs also notes:
    “As no “outside” terrorist, al Qaeda or otherwise, could have had access to either the Pentagon or the sustained advance access needed to pre-place explosives inside the WTC, only domestic insiders could have pre-placed the explosives in both the Pentagon and the WTC. Further, because the WTC1 deep-basement explosions(s) experienced by Willy Rodriguez happened before the tower was hit by a plane; as any incoming plane not controlled by the same party that triggered the sub-basement detonation(s) could have veered off from the building at the last second, ruining the plane-impact-as-cover-story for the later building collapse; and as the sub- asement explosions were necessary for the actual later collapse of the buildings by controlled demolition, the same domestic U.S. insiders had to have controlled both the sub-basement detonations and the incoming plane(s). Thus, even if al Qaeda hijackers were on the incoming planes, they were not in final control of the impact of the planes into the buildings, which had to have been 100 percent guaranteed by domestic U.S. insider controllers to ensure that, once the WTC1 sub-basement explosions went off, the plane did not veer off and miss the building and ruin the plane-impact-and-fires cover story for the building collapse”

  8. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    January 22, 2011 - 7:23 pm | Permalink

    The DVD IN Plane Sight is all the visual evidence I need that there was no plane at the Pentagon, that the towers came down from controlled demolition and there was no wreckage for Flight 93. The original opening in the wall of the Pentagon is only about 14 feet wide, with no impact marks from wings or the tail section visible anywhere.
    That’s why retired military photo analyst expert General Stubblebine says it was an inside job. Caleb is a Jew and is not able to evaluatge visual evidence and apply deductive reasoning. he just spouts the Talmudian buzzwords implanted in his rigid brain by modern day rabbis who lead what the Bible calls the Synagogue of Satan.
    We need to really challenge Congress why they have so many Jews in government – screwing up the financial system, manipulating intel for unAmerican purposes, covering up Wall Street crimes, delegating money supply and business cycle manipulation to jews at the Fed, allowing jews to control media to an extent far greater than what led to the trust busting reforms a century ago.

    As for the boxcutter Arabls, only Caleb and his tribe believe amateur pilots with such little training could expertly fly passenger airliners into office towers and strike the pentagon where a counter intel office was located. Pilots have said the g forces related to the wtc strike flight path indicate an un-manned plane.
    on the DVD in Plain Sight a woman is heard saying that the plane is not American Airlines and it appeared to be a windowless cargo plane that just happend to have a military style radar pod on its undercarriage.
    Calebe is a closed minded babbler for the Babylonian parasites.
    I am proud of the guys on this board who have overcome so much jewish mass mind control and deprogrammed themselves. Something Caleb will never be able to accomplish. He will go his grave a programmed cyber person who never developed a flexible brain capable of processing new information and adjusting.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 22, 2011 - 8:18 pm | Permalink

      “Counter-intel” office? Danny boy, you need to get with the (antisemite) program! Everyone “knows” the plane that hit the Pentagon was aimed to take out the comptroller’s office so as to destroy all records of Dov Zakheim’s many thefts and embezzlements.

      EVERY great catastrophe in US history has given rise to conspiracy theories among the unbalanced, starting with the assassination of Lincoln. [There actually **was** a conspiracy there–three or four pathetic losers getting together–I believe HaMossad was not involved.]

      This time there were enough such paranoids actually to hold a convention.

  9. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    January 22, 2011 - 12:02 pm | Permalink

    The FBI concluded the Arabs with box cutters didn’t do it. That means the Mossad, CIA criminals, military criminals and defense contractors are all implicated.


    FBI Admits: No Evidence Links ‘Hijackers’ to 9-11

    The possibility that 19 Muslim men accused of being the Sept. 11
    hijackers were not, in fact, the hijackers, is not so extraordinary an idea
    as it might seem.

    American Free Press | May 13, 2002
    By Michael Collins Piper

    After seven months of non-stop declarations by U.S. government
    spokesmen that there exists solid proof tying 19 Muslim men to plotting the
    Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, FBI Director Robert Mueller has now admitted
    quite the opposite.

    That 19 Muslim men who have apparently disappeared have been named as
    the hijackers is not in doubt.

    What is in doubt is whether those 19 men were actually plotting
    anything, either individually or together.

    The amazing possibility remains that others carried out the Sept. 11
    terrorist attacks, using the identities of the 19 Muslims who have been
    assigned guilt in the tragedy.

    In an April 19 speech delivered to the Common wealth Club in San
    Francisco, Mueller said that the purported hijackers, in his words, “left no
    paper trial.” The FBI director stated flatly:

    In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of
    paper-either here in the United States or in the treasure trove of
    information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere-that mentioned
    any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot.

    In describing Mueller’s evidence fiasco, Los Angeles Times reporters
    Erich Lichtblau and Josh Meyer, whose article was reprinted in The
    Washington Post on April 30, note that:

    Law enforcement officials say that while they have been able to
    reconstruct the movements of the hijackers before the attacks-all legal
    except for a few speeding tickets-they have found no evidence of their
    actual plotting.

    The Times reporters acknowledge that Mueller’s comments “offer the FBI’s
    most comprehensive and detailed assessment to date of its investigation,
    remarkable as much for what investigators have not found as for what they

    The FBI director explained away the absence of evidence by making the
    disingenuous assertion that the hijackers used “meticulous planning,
    extraordinary secrecy and extensive knowledge of how America works” to
    conceal their scheme.

    Mueller made this claim despite the fact that in the immediate wake of
    the Sept. 11 attacks, a variety of U.S. officials and media sources
    speciously announced, almost instantaneously, that there was firm evidence
    not only that these 19 Muslim men were agents of Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda
    “network” but that they were indeed the individuals who hijacked the doomed
    flights on Sept. 11.

    Mueller seems to forget that early government and media reports loudly
    hyped “discoveries”-letters and other documents-in the luggage and personal
    belongings of the presumed hijackers which “proved” that they were on a
    “mission for Allah,” etc etc.

    Now Mueller’s comments seem to contradict everything that’s been said.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 22, 2011 - 3:20 pm | Permalink

      Ain’t America grand! Everyone, the eccentric, the revolutionary, the God-inspired, the plain loony all can have a voice. The down side is that some choose bullets to express themselves rather than words as recent, tragic events have shown.

      Director Mueller did make that statement as part of his April 19, 2002 speech. His intention of course was to show how difficult a task the FBI faced and how our traditional respect for individual freedom and especially the right to privacy could be exploited by a determined and ruthless group of enemies to strike America from within.

      The Director went on to say
      “The investigation was enormously helpful in figuring out who and what to look for as we worked to prevent attacks. It allowed us to see where we as a nation needed to close gaps in our security. And it gave us clear and definitive proof that al Qaeda was behind the strikes.”

      What about the flight schools that several of them attended with such strange lack of interest in how to land a plane? What about the unarmed combat course one them took, asking the instructor for lessons in how to fight in very small spaces?

      Some details of the hijackings remain in question and may never be known, such as just what weapons the hijackers had. A 1200 degree fire destroys pretty much everything–and weakens steel supports to where a high rise building will “pancake”.

      Resisting hijackers was thought to be bad for business and the airlines were in a business mode before 9/11.

  10. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    January 22, 2011 - 12:04 am | Permalink

    Someday @ January 20, 2011 – 2:26 pm | Permalink

    “I never called John Graham names, he collaborated with Kevin MacDonald so I know he is ‘on page’. I overstated things somewhat but really I was trying to make the point that this article might be a hard sell for a newcomer to nationalism (I’ll admit that is a personal opinion and I could be wrong). Readers can easilly check for themselves that you have told a lie.

    Don’t you ever have anything positive to say about anyone, you pathetic little apology for a man? You find fault and pick holes with every single writer on this site.

    If you’re not showering them with your green spittle, you’re groveling at their feet and licking their asses.

    If you’re not a Zionist troll deliberately setting out to undermine the morale of the writers on this site, then you’re certainly a failed writer yourself — bursting with envy at the literary productions of men and women whom you can never hope to equal!

    That’s why you attack them all the time, isn’t it? Because you’re fucking jealous! They can write — and you can’t!

    God, if all White Nationalists were like you, I’d join the enemy right away!

    A White Utopia, with creeps like you filling up the dark crannies and giving the rest of us orders…it’s enough to make anyone vomit!

    Despicable cunt.

  11. Gravitas's Gravatar Gravitas
    January 21, 2011 - 9:03 pm | Permalink


    Rather than prove the obvious, you ought to ask Caleb and his crew of Zionist trolls on this site (particularly Madame Someday) to prove that Bin Laden and his band of nineteen boxcutters did 9-11.

  12. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    January 21, 2011 - 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Caleb asks to prove the Jews did 911.
    I only need to start with two books
    9-11 Evil by Victor Thorn.
    “Thus, only one entity had inside access to all the vital information ont he morning of September 11 – an Israeli owned company”
    The Dancing Israelis in place to watch and film the WTC destruction were
    Sivan Kurzberg
    Paul Kurzberg
    Yaron Shmuel
    Oded Ellner
    Omer Marmari

    Silverstein bouoght the WTC just weeks before the attack.
    Chertoff a dual citizen was put in charge of Homeland Security after the attack and is known to have spirited over a hundred Israeli spies out of the country after the attack. = Thorn.
    The military was – in violation of all intelligent intel organization, over seen by the Jewish Zionist Defense Policy Board inside the White House that included these Jews
    Richard Perle
    Paul Woflowitz
    Kenneth Adelman
    Scooter Libby
    Douglas Feith
    Dov Zackheim
    David Wurmser
    Elliott Abrams
    Eliot Cohen
    Daniel Pipes
    Stephen Bryen

    Another source for pre 9-11 planning culprits

    The High Priests of War by Michael Collins Piper, who earlier accused the Mossad of being responsible for the murder of JFK.
    Collins lists all the Jewish psycopaths beating on the war drums….. A book full of them.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 22, 2011 - 1:56 am | Permalink

      Did I see you at the Convention?
      All you’ve proven is that the old canards won’t die. They will live on on the interNUT no matter how many times or how universally discredited they may be.
      Just to take one: the “dancing Israelis” were released within hours of being taken in custody by a pair of excitable local Italian cops in New Jersey. No charges ever were filed. And they weren’t dancing, either. They were employees of a moving and storage company- -a business many Israelis are in- -whose business happened to bring them near the waterfront when the Twin Towers were hit.

      Btw: the charge is that an Israeli-owned company with an office in the WTC received a telephoned WARNING early on 9/11. The facts are that such a company received a highly cryptic and non-specific message, not mentioning the Towers or aircraft or even New York City, at its office in HAIFA, ISRAEL.

      Against this, there were the numerous cell phone calls from passengers on flight 77 describing the hijacking as it occurred. We even know the names of the four heroic young men who kept that aircraft from hitting any major target.

  13. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    January 21, 2011 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    Someday @ January 21, 2011 – 9:13 am | Permalink

    “Gravitas… You are a flying squirrel.”

    For your information, cretin, Gravitas has not made a SINGLE statement about 9-11 “conspiracy theories” — to which you take such violent exception simply because the people who are paying you to sabotage this site have their fingerprints all over 9-11.

    Gravitas has recently made a post about the Protocols which has received quite a few thumbs-up from the posters on this site…in striking contrast to your own dismal posts which are mostly screened from view because you can get no one but your sick sidekick Caleb to endorse them.

    He screws you, does he?

    Which orifice, pray tell! :)

    * * *


    You won’t get an answer to your Protocols post from this hit-and-run troll called “Someday”. Certainly not a satisfactory one!

    Somedfay’s sole function on this site is this:

    (a) to defame and launch ad hominem attacks on the best writers on this site by alleging that their articles are “substandard” in some way; or that they are “conspiracy theory weirdos” (Darkmoon, Rob Lonaker, John Graham), or “Nazi sympathisers” (Dr Tom Sunic).

    (b) to discourage dissidence of any kind and encourage political correctness, particularly in regard to Jewish interests. Nothing must be said on this website that is damaging to Jewish interests. No way. Hence, Someday’s knee-jerk reaction to the Protocols: “This is a forgery ! So shut up! Don’t criticize the Jews!”


    * * *


    Which orifice?

    Back or front?

  14. History is Bunk's Gravatar History is Bunk
    January 21, 2011 - 11:07 am | Permalink

    Therefore, in light of the 17 government conspiracies outlined by Professor Griffin, is it conceivable that an “American” government could contain a jew such as Schumer who would conspire to shill for a jew shyster such as Madoff?

    I think so.

  15. January 21, 2011 - 10:56 am | Permalink

    “Caleb January 21, 2011 – 10:27 am “Cognitive infiltration” sounds like the classic paranoid delusion of mind control. History, who’s been planting those bad thoughts in your head?”

    You might be amazed at the false things which many people hold true simply someone in authority has told them that it so (e.g. at school, university, on the TV etc).

    Here’s an infamous Jewish anarchist on the matter. Is he ‘out of this world’, or crazy? The old Platonic notion of necessary (but noble) lies/illusions is also something which has been touted by the Neconservatives.

  16. January 21, 2011 - 10:28 am | Permalink

    “Someday January 21, 2011 – 9:13 am However this is a high quality article which I judge by the very highest of standards, please don’t think I’ve rescinded any of my general criticisms of ‘conspiracy theories’ which you correctly understood apply to the 9/11-was-an-Israeli-false-flag-crowd.”

    But, with all due respect, who are you to judge? Let me explain why I say this. First, a conspiracy is when more than one person plans an illegal act (note governments plan all sorts of unpleasant activites, but they are usually legally empowed to do so, see the current Iraq Inquiry in the UK). A theory about that is just standard forensic analysis. So what is a ‘conspiracy theory’? Like so many idioms these days, is it possibly just a tactic to stop people from critically analysing what they are told, and thus just accept what they are told? Think race/sex and intelligence for another example, or even the value of mentalistic talk.

    You are right to assert that the specific issue is off-topic, but is the principle? If one of Bush’s cabinet had come out assertions like those made by Michael Meecher (who was in Blair’s Cabinet at the time), what would your country have made of it, epecially if the dissenter went on to compete for party leadership? or this chap? I have a simple question for you: Why should anyone treat what you have to say any more ‘seriously’ than what people like Meacher, e.g. this chap assert:?


    It’s quite a subtle question I’m asking you, so please think carefully about it before replying (note: my point has nothing to do with 9/11 per se).

  17. History is Bunk's Gravatar History is Bunk
    January 21, 2011 - 9:42 am | Permalink

    So, Rabbi Someday has assumed moderation of this site. That’s chutzpah for you.

    From pages 12-17 of Cognitive Infiltration, Professor Griffin provides “a very selective list of illegal and/or nefarious operations by the US government – some of which were directed against the American people, some not – that it tried to keep secretive.”

    Professor Griffin lists 17 examples of US Government conspiracies, and as he states – it is not an exhaustive list.

    The book Cognitive Infiltration rains all over Rabbi Someday’s “conspiratorial-themes blah blah” parade.

    • Svend's Gravatar Svend
      January 21, 2011 - 9:48 am | Permalink

      Look, buildings commit suicide all the time. They become sad and spontaneously turn to dust their support columns so that they may fall at (or very near to) the speed of gravity into what should be the path of most resistance. It happens all the time. OK? Building 7 was sad that her older brothers were murdered. This is established science. What are you, a quack?

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 21, 2011 - 10:27 am | Permalink

      I’m not the site monitor but this isn’t just off topic. It’s out of this world!

      “Cognitive infiltration” sounds like the classic paranoid delusion of mind control. History, who’s been planting those bad thoughts in your head?

  18. Henry Ford's Gravatar Henry Ford
    January 20, 2011 - 5:38 pm | Permalink

    I think some of you are wasting way to much time arguing with jew trolls.We need to start organizing and not become obsessed with a few obvious trolls.There is a lot of long hard work to be done if we want to free America from organized jewry. Kevin MacDonald,David Duke and a few others need all the support we can give them.I hope you all sent in your donations for TOO.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 21, 2011 - 9:27 am | Permalink

      Who’s the shill now “Henry Ford”?

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 21, 2011 - 10:14 am | Permalink

      Caleb, Schumer shills because he looks out for Jewish interests while claiming to be looking out for all Americans. If he explicitly stated that he was doing what is good for the Jews them no one could call him a shill. Henry Ford is being open and honest about being allegiant to his blood.

      I am still waiting for your rejoinder to my assertion that Prof. Kevin MacDonald is not saying anything different about his people than Prof. Louis Rene Beres is saying about Israelis.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 21, 2011 - 10:42 am | Permalink

      Someday, they are BOTH wrong. I am opposed to intolerance in today’s world whatever quarter it comes from. In truth, Beres is the more dangerous because his formidable academic credentials give him a wider audience.

      So, who in the Senate looks out for the interests of all Americans? Max Baucus perhaps, who accepted millions in campaign contributions from the insurance and health services lobbies to obstruct the President’s efforts to provide medical care to ALL Americans like every other civilized country does?

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 21, 2011 - 11:18 am | Permalink

      Is it really Beres’ formidable academic credentials which give him a wider audience than MacDonald I though it was because he is part of a people who look out for one another. So Krauthammer is the #7columnist in America in his capacity as an board certified psychiatrist ?; no Beres’ academic credentials make him far more qualified to talk about international relations.

      MacDonald is fighting a very lonely battle, if he was Jewish he would be all over the media.

  19. Gravitas's Gravatar Gravitas
    January 19, 2011 - 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Final verdict on “Someday”

    Someday, January 18, 2011 – 12:40 pm : Conspiratorial themes are attractive to the dregs of society, people that normal whites would not wish to be associated with.

    I guess by the “dregs of society” you mean famous professors of religion and theology at respected California universities — like the author of the following books perchance?




    I guess a narrow-minded cretin like you would have done your best to put duct tape round the mouths of Giordano Bruno, Galileo and Darwin for their revolutionary ideas, all of which were “conspiracy theories” in their day.

    Did Darwin belong to the “dregs of society”? Wasn’t the Theory of Evolution once a “conspiracy theory”?

    The only conceivable reason you knock contemporary political “conspiracy theories” is because every such conspiracy — from the Protocols to the Kennedy assassination to 9-11 — has some Jew skulking behind the woodwork.

    Therefore you ARE a Jew.

    If you’re not, you’re a damn good imitation — masquerading here as a White Nationalist.

    • History is Bunk's Gravatar History is Bunk
      January 21, 2011 - 12:56 am | Permalink

      I would add to the three books by Professor David Ray Griffin listed above, his newest book, “Cognitive Infiltration,” which discusses Obama appointee Cass Sunstein’s plan to recruit and plant infiltrators among groups of American citizens who are skeptical of the Israeli Government of America’s official 9/11 conspiracy theory, used to demonize Muslims and “justify” illegal wars for the benefit of the usual suspects.

      Sunstein’s infiltrators’ role, in my opinion, would be typical jew Communist subversion.

      It is a very good read.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 21, 2011 - 9:13 am | Permalink

      9/11 is off topic here if you want to discuss it go to the comments of a 9/11 post and take the 9/11-was-an-Israeli-false-flagger Dan with you. Dan thinks the “Roman Universal Church” controls the Jews his comment above has 7 thumbs up!

      I do tend to be overly critical. Yes, my initial understanding and reaction was wrong; once John Grahame pointed out my error I reconsidered and now have only a few very minor reservations. However this is a high quality article which I judge by the very highest of standards, please don’t think I’ve rescinded any of my general criticisms of ‘conspiracy theories’ which you correctly understood apply to the 9/11-was-an-Israeli-false-flag-crowd.

      John Graham is in a completely different category to you Gravitas, he is the proponent of a reasonable hypothesis. You are a flying squirrel.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 21, 2011 - 9:26 am | Permalink

      Don’t you mean Jew-Communist-Freemason-Illuminati?

      btw: what qualifies Griffin- -a theologian- -to pontificate on problems in physics, chemistry, structural engineering?

  20. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    January 19, 2011 - 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Concerning “Someday”

    I reckon Someday is one the Zionist trolls mentioned by Gravitas. Either that, or he’s a failed writer with a chip on his shoulder, attacking the best writers on this site out of sheer literary envy: Darkmoon for being a “conspiracy theorist”, Dr Tom Sunic for being a “Nazi sympathiser”, and John Graham for being a weirdo for writing this anti-Madoff article that Someday took pleasure in sneering at — as if he himself could do better.

    I do feel desperately sorry for failed writers like Someday who reveal their naked envy to the world in post after post. I wish this guy just would go away and leave us alone. Truly, he disgusts me. There is something morally repugnant about such envy.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 20, 2011 - 2:26 pm | Permalink

      I never called John Graham names, he collaborated with Kevin MacDonald so I know he is ‘on page’. I overstated things somewhat but really I was trying to make the point that this article might be a hard sell for a newcomer to nationalism (I’ll admit that is a personal opinion and I could be wrong). Readers can easilly check for themselves that you have told a lie.

      I was more critical of Tom Sunic but I still said no more than he was “terribly misguided ” to use Nazi women as exemplars of nationalist women. I stand by that.

  21. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    January 19, 2011 - 7:14 pm | Permalink

    @ David Longley

    Thanks, I copy and paste here the first paragraph of the article for the benefit of those why doubt that Zionist trolls (and hasbara agents) are paid to infest the internet with their vile propaganda.

    “The hasbara brigade strikes again! You always hear about Israeli attempts at media manipulation. Everyone knows it’s going on but usually the process happens through cyber insurgents like those involved with Giyus (and its media monitoring software, Megaphone).

    Now, we know that the Israeli foreign ministry itself is orchestrating propaganda efforts designed to flood news websites with pro-Israel arguments and information.”


  22. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    January 19, 2011 - 7:08 pm | Permalink

    #@ Longley
    “Abusing all Jewish people just because they’re Jewish, or because some Jewish people behave badly, is bound to elicit defensive/hostile behaviours is it not?”

    To flip this around, all this hostile behaviior in the first place is directly caused by Jews collectively applying Talmudic race hatred against all non Jews.
    Only some Orthodox Jews are standing up to the Zionists and even they get pounded on in Israel, as seen on You Tube.
    The Jews have done such a good job of transforming the U S into a dog eat dog, fractionated plural culture that now our cultural nicey nicey tolerance is being quickly obliterated and now more and more of us are acting like Jews and lashing back – except that we are always fighting for enlightenment and truth and morality against the darkness and evil of the Jewish control forces.

    I have noted the Jewish trolls nit picking at the essay – but that is just to bog you all down in a useless ground war when you could be out on the wider world posts spreading the alarm, trying to get the nod-offs to wake up.

    These trolls never read a Victor Thorn book detailing the Jewish culpability for niner elevener, for the collapse of our economy, for the morality slide encouraged by Jewish mass media and movies, or the Jewish scholarship detailing that Old Testament mythology is backdated and made up, or the fact that Ecstasy is the only illegal drug virtually totally controlled by one ethnic group, the Jews, and targeting upper middle class and higher white teens, …if they would look into this and do what is right they would renounced Judaism for the evil force it is.

    But then Jews as a whole, while they may not be Zionists, clearly keep their mouths shut because they are benefitting from the networking and racial intolerance and unity that is attacked when whites try to adopt the same stances for self preservation.

    So naturally there is push back.

    The High Priests of War is just one small book a troll can’t read without having a nervous breakdown and immediately attacking the author for spreading truth and light. Under the Sign of the Scorpion by Juri Lina details the Masonic Jews involvement in the Russia holocaust that it was suppressed by Amazon and now is limited to a few high priced copies and then a rabbi wrote a fluffy mystery using the same title to further suppress it.

    These Jew trolls don’t want to be a truth teller like Israel Shahak and have to go into hiding to avoid assassins…so don’t waste time trying to educate them. They are more pushy then competent…and that is what we should focus on. They have f’ed up the 911 attack by leaving so much evidence behind, and ruined the U S economy, and made their mass circulation media irrelevant, bankrupted the U S Treasury with their war hysteria, destoyed the value of their own private Federal Reserve money which replaced national currency, flooded into higher education and medicine, making both increasingly cost prohibitive… everywhere you look you see them at the top, pigging out, lying, cheating, killing and ruining everything.

    Even their shill Lieberman is now being kicked into retirement because (as I posted everywhere I could) his plan to shut down the Internet would ruin retailers like Amazon, destroy online sales everywhere, and bring the banking system to a standstill because everyone has been bullied into doing more online banking to cut banking costs. I kept writing my online broker, my banks, and creditors and asking them how they would survive Lieberman hysteria…

    And that’s how you start to make some progress. Leave the trolls alone in their ignorance, and spend more time on the wider battlefield. Keep harping at your Congresspeople at why they tolerate so much jewish incompetence in government. That’s a good place to start.

    • Dan's Gravatar Dan
      January 19, 2011 - 7:18 pm | Permalink

      I might add. regarding my anti Lieberman campaign, his trolls got my posts removed from Yahoo Answers…but I wrote directly to many people directly involved in online business…and just like Jews love to call on the phone and harrange people to comply….I would like to think my campaign got detail workers to ask their bossess and their bosses saw Lieberman needed to retire….and I bet they started phoning around when they saw their livelihoods threatened by that creepy nitwit.

  23. Gravitas's Gravatar Gravitas
    January 19, 2011 - 5:02 pm | Permalink


    “As Israel withdraws its ground troops from Gaza, it has deployed an army of bloggers fluent in several languages…recruiting an all-volunteer force to combat anti-Zionism in cyberspace and escalating its battle to control Israel’s image abroad, the Israeli press reported Monday.

    More than one million Israelis who speak a second language have been recruited to monitor blogs in English, French, German, and Spanish… and more are to be recruited for Portuguese and Russian blogs, Erez Halfon, director general of the Immigrant Absorption Ministry, told the Israeli daily Haaretz Monday.

    The ministry media department directs volunteers to websites that are considered “problematic” [ like TOO?] in hopes of focusing attention on the positive aspects of Israeli life and the way Israelis suffer because of being under a constant threat of terrorism, the Jerusalem Post reported Monday.

    Within 30 minutes of announcing the hasbara (or public diplomacy program), five volunteers had applied, said Halfon.

    The ministry launched the initiative to encourage people to respond to criticism directed against Israel and Zionism and provide a pro-Israel perspective…The ministry decided to “answer the challenge and attempt to form a pool of Israeli commentators in languages that can bolster Israel’s public relations in the virtual world and answer all the Israel-bashers who spread the seeds of hate.”

    Israeli spokeswoman Erez Halfon told the Jerusalem Post. “I call on new [Israeli] immigrants [to America] to join the Israeli hasbara ranks and thus contribute to improving the country’s image throughout the world.”

    See here:


    Question: How many of these trolls are infesting the Occidental Observe?

    • January 19, 2011 - 5:32 pm | Permalink

      The Guardian published a similar article in January 2009, and during the 2006 Lebanon war it all got rather heated too, but as Israel is a US and UK ally, surely one has to expect such behaviour?

      Abusing all Jewish people just because they’re Jewish, or because some Jewish people behave badly, is bound to elicit defensive/hostile behaviours is it not?

  24. Gravitas's Gravatar Gravitas
    January 19, 2011 - 4:48 pm | Permalink


    CAPTION: Israel hires army of bloggers to fight image war. Within 30 minutes of announcing the initiative, five volunteers had applied.

    Here she is — the first recruit! Ain’t she pretty?


    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 20, 2011 - 4:29 pm | Permalink

      I’d do her.

  25. Gravitas's Gravatar Gravitas
    January 19, 2011 - 4:38 pm | Permalink


    Jason Speaks @ January 19, 2011 – 12:04 am | Permalink

    Gravitas, can you give us specific information on the training that the ADL and others provide to trolls? And do you know for a fact that they pay people to act as trolls? I mean, can you provide citations or links? I believe this, or something like it could be true, and I wonder what information you have to share.

    I am surprised you are unaware of the activities Zionist trolls on the internet, all of them encouraged to infest websites like this and even paid to do so either by the state of Israel or by organized Jewry in America (AIPAC, the ADL and the SPLC).

    Here is one link, but I know in advance that you will find fault with the website. However, you asked for a link, so here is a Link as requested:


    “Israel’s propagandists shoot themselves in the foot as they shoot off their mouths…

    If you have ever visited a blog or on-line discussion group on the Middle East, you have doubtless had the misfortune to run into them.

    They are known by the language they use: depraved sexual insults, bile, bigotry, threats, disinformation and character assassination. That’s right: I’m talking about “hasbarats,” Zionist trolls who infect the Internet with hasbara, pro-Israel propaganda.

    This deliberate proliferation of on-line hasbarats raises two points. The first concerns why anyone would spend hours a day to prostitute themselves for Israel. Money, of course.

    Ilan Shturman, deputy director of the Israeli foreign ministry’s hasbara department, told an Israeli business newspaper in July that US$150,000 had been allocated for the first stage of a campaign to seed the Internet with hasbarats:
    “Our people will NOT say: “Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.” No! Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis! They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry has developed.”

    Satisfied? Agents for the Israeli government…pretending to be ordinary posters on websites such as this…each of answerable to Israel and paid by the so-called “hasbara ministry.”

    Consider this:

    “In January, Amir Gissin, Israel’s consul-general in Toronto, sent out a hasbara recruitment letter, which read in part:

    “If you are frustrated or concerned with the portrayal of Israel in Canadian News, your voice can be heard. Now, think that you’re not alone! 10,000 voices like yours can respond every day: praise, protest, inform, correct on leading Canadian news websites, in real time, effectively.”

    Yes, there you have it: JEWS PAID TO BE AGENTS OF HASBARA, i.e. Zionist propaganda.

    I understand each poster is paid by the line. An average post can earn the poster $10. Some Zionist posters earn hundreds of dollars a week.

    Some of these hasbara agents are POSTING ON THIS WEBSITE — RIGHT NOW!

    See here:


    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 21, 2011 - 9:48 am | Permalink

      WHY would Israel waste its resources, financial and human, on a neo-Nazi hate site? After forty years as a Jew-baiter, will KMD suddenly see the error of his ways and join forces with Daniel Pipes?
      Jews are routinely accused of every crime in the calendar, but of stupidity? Rarely.
      Countering the Arab propaganda cropping up everywhere from YouTube to bankrupt UK {that’s why they call it “London-istan”] is the declared mission.

  26. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    January 18, 2011 - 5:57 pm | Permalink


    Here you are: an article on forbidden “CONSPIRACY THEORIES” that will bring joy to your heart.


    I guess it didn’t enter your tiny little mind that Darwin’s Theory of Evolution was once a “conspiracy theory”?

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 19, 2011 - 8:28 am | Permalink

      Gravitas, OK I went over the top and made some points that did not really apply to John Grahame posts, I’ve already taken back the criticism ‘There is nothing really wrong with the article ‘. It doesn’t come naturally to me to give unstinted praise.

      The perfect article would contain the kind of argument which was accessable to an average white person, I don’t think this post is perfect from that point of view.

      I never put John’s post in in the same category as 9/11 gravity denier articles, those are a liability.

      Anonyma ,William Pierce said people complaining about fluoride were talking nonsense. (If you want to know my opinion go to comments at the the last Michael Colhaze post).

  27. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    January 18, 2011 - 5:07 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think “Adam” and “Caleb” have anything in common. Adam, whatever his faults, is at least intelligent.

    • J.W. Keel's Gravatar J.W. Keel
      January 19, 2011 - 12:20 am | Permalink

      Adam and the rest of the trolls always have “someone” else chime in and mention how intelligent one or the other or both trolls are. Most of time I’d bet it was the troll himself congratulating himself. Or one troll doffing his yarmulke at another. The way Jewish book reviewers will usually praise the even the least skilled Jewish authors, tossing them one bouquet after another. Not that I assume “Anonyma” is a troll. Not at all. lol However, anyone who believes “Caleb” has demonstrated anything above average intelligence needs to get out and about a bit more often.

      The ADL – in fact the Israeli government pays people to act as trolls. Meaning we pay for it. You college kids, go ask your friends at Hillel House about their mandated “Defense of Israel” (and trolling time) on the net.

  28. P.K. Lampton's Gravatar P.K. Lampton
    January 18, 2011 - 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Caleb sure writes a lot like “Adam”. Maybe we’ll start seeing posts explaining the inexorable “Technological System” that’s responsible for everyone’s woes. Another Hasbara Playbook tag team working the site.

  29. Gravitas's Gravatar Gravitas
    January 18, 2011 - 4:07 pm | Permalink

    @ Someday

    ‘Gravitas’ is not a good name for you as you are a gravity denier; change it to ‘Nanothermitas’.

    Is the ad hominem argument the only thing they taught you at Talmud class?

  30. Gravitas's Gravatar Gravitas
    January 18, 2011 - 3:54 pm | Permalink

    @ Caleb

    My money’s on YOU for Zionist Troll, Gravitas.
    Protesting too much, WAY too much.

    So what is your definition of a Zionist troll: is it someone like me who comes on this site and has nothing but unstinted praise for John Graham’s article, or is it someone like your Jewish partner (wife?) “Someday” who infests this site 24/7 and behaves exactly as one would expect a paid Zionist troll to behave…i.e., finding fault with the best writers on this site and quetching and complaining about “substandard articles” and the airing of so-called “conspiracy theories”?

    The trouble with you and your cognitively challenged partner “Someday” is that you just aren’t smart enough to make yourself more liked and respected. You’ve alienated just about everyone here. You need retraining in basic good manners, both of you.

    I regret to say that your paymasters at the ADL (or SPLC) are not getting their money’s worth in making ill-trained and ill-mannered Zionist trolls like you do their dirty work.

  31. John Graham's Gravatar John Graham
    January 18, 2011 - 2:56 pm | Permalink

    First you make a precise and important statement of fact in the comment thread of “The Picower Madoff settlement: A $7.2 Billion Whitewash”:

    “Not the Senator himself but a member of his staff called the SEC to ask whether Madoff was under investigation”

    Now you are refusing to supply your source.

    This is contemptible, and suggests you are not discussing matters on this site in good faith. Either
    a) The statement was a lie;
    b) You have the source, but don’t want to disclose it because it proves Schumer did cause intervene in the investigation.

    Unless you produce the source, what is the point of having you around?

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 18, 2011 - 3:13 pm | Permalink

      There are other choices, like keeping the trust of important people.
      You can think what you like, you and that wack job Serverus.

      “Thou shalt never hear herald again.”
      –Shakespeare, **Henry V**

    • January 18, 2011 - 3:32 pm | Permalink

      Caleb: “There are other choices, like keeping the trust of important people.”

      So you must have confidants that are on Schumer’s staff whose trust you want to keep — a back door admission that your here as a shill for your fellow Jew Schumer.

      Have you people no dignity, honor or shame?

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 18, 2011 - 3:35 pm | Permalink

      Sounds like you know (or are) one of ‘the people’ who invested with Madoff. They did pretty good huh?

    • January 18, 2011 - 3:49 pm | Permalink

      It wouldn’t surprise me if “Caleb” was actually Chuck Schumer himself.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 20, 2011 - 4:27 pm | Permalink

      I’m not a U.S. Senator–but I play one on tv.

      [Sorry, couldn’t resist.]

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 20, 2011 - 7:36 pm | Permalink

      Since you keep censoring my replies, what’s the point of BEING around?
      The posters on this site- – so many as actually exist- – remind me of the monkey characters in Rudyard Kipling’s “The Jungle Book”. You remember their perpetual refrain: “We all say so. So it must be true!”

      Dissenting opinions not allowed.

      I am here for no one else. The sentiments I express are entirely my own. But tell me where i can apply to get $10 for each posting. I could use the dough!

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 21, 2011 - 5:21 pm | Permalink

      O, Chris (John, Kevin, Gravvie, etc.), you lacerate my heart!
      But I’ll make you a deal. When you describe how you know “the Jews” perpetrated 9/11, I’ll tell you who and whether or not anyone using Chuck Schumer’s name actually inquired whether the Madoff fund was under SEC investigation.

  32. January 18, 2011 - 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Chris Moore January 18, 2011 – 10:53 am Longley, there you go again, peddling your neo-Bolshevism. How did America manage to prosper for so long”

    Basically, it isolated itself. It was nationalistic.

    “Private enterprise along with Christian moral authority (not government moral authority) worked for America for decades before left-liberalism and neoconservatism”

    No, I’m suggesting you have this wrong, and its why the USA is in a mess today. One must assess political movements by their observable actions and consequences relative to the status quo. What you are referring to have not been left-wing (although they would have you think so in order to vilify socialism/communitarianism and thus facilitate anarchism). They have been right-wing anarchistic/Libertarian movements. These parties/movements (sometimes calling themselves Social Democratic, especially in Western Europe) were inspired by those expelled from or opposed by the USSR government (treated as capitalist shills by the Soviets). The USSR from the 1930s onwards can be seen as an instantiation of British Fabian/Webbian socialism. Have a look at Sidney and Beatrice Webb’s book in the 30s and 40s on the USSR, and see the Labour manifesto written in 1945 (author Michael Young) which led to nationalisation of most of the means of production, exchange and communication in Britain after the war, the Public Sector which Thatcher began privatising from 1979, and which continued under Blair and now Cameron today. Orwell had the Fabians in mind when he wrote i984 (a date 100 years after the Fabian Society was created). As I say, one can look upon the USSR after the 1930s purges as basically British Fabian communitariaanism:


    One can also look to the PRC today, which isn’t Bolshevik either but basically Stalinist/Fabian. Those sent into Russia in 1917 were basically disgruntled Jewish political anarchists (many allegedly from NYC) whose task it was to get Russia out of the war and thus off Germany’s Eastern front.


    This presumably explains point 6 here:

    Note that after 1941, what actually happened was that a) Germany did not attack Moscow b) National Socialism (Socialism in One Country) spread across Europe, establishing the Warsaw Pact. If it had not been for the volte face of the Marshall Plan once the USA realised what they were up to the Morgenthau Plan would probably have ‘lost’ West Germany (and even more of Europe possibly) to the Soviets.

    US anti-socialism is, I am suggesting, self-destructive of its communities. Which should be obvious, if you think about it.

    • January 18, 2011 - 2:28 pm | Permalink

      If you go back to the origins of “socialism/communitarianism” (as you call Communism), you will find it was devised by Marx, who himself had a Jewish guru in the anti-German racist, Jewish Zionist Moses Hess. From the time it was implemented in Russia, primarily by Jewry as its instigators, main actors and brain trust, its primary function was to break the Christian social and moral order on behalf of Jewry, and to police and plunder the majority at the behest of the Party minority. The fact that Stalin eventually broke with Jewry because he felt threatened (the purges) and later because he need the still nominally Christian nation to get behind him to fight WWII proves nothing except that there is no honor among thieves.

      Jewry, “betrayed” by Stalin (as if snakes can betray one another) then moved West and devised new socialist means (left-liberalism, neo-conservatism/neoliberalsim) to fulfill its agenda. Socialism is always integral to Jewry’s plans because it needs a formally anti-Christian (so called “secular”) statist nest from which to operate.

      George Orwell was an anti-Semite, but not overly obvious about it given his hand-wringing socialism and mixed emotions about acknowledging or even discussing religious and racial differences per socialist dogma. Do you think it’s an accident that he named the secret Big Brother collaborator who held himself up as a revolutionary ‘Emanuel Goldstein‘? Goldstein was a metaphor for self-serving Jewry, which was/is constantly working towards a totalitarian police state to serve its own needs, yet pretends to be working on behalf of “social justice” and average people.

      Once you recognize that Jewry doesn’t proselytize due to its doctrinaire racism, you realize why it needs a totalitarian police state to act as its bodyguard and advance its agenda.

      You atheist-materialist socialists all seek to replace God with the State, refuse to recognize that Christianity is the primary touchstone of Western Civilization and major basis of its success, and yet you can never understand why socialism inevitably ends in mass murder and chaos from the Soviet Union to SE Asia to China to S. America and increasingly in (former) Western Civilization. You cling to fanciful, child-like socialist doctrine and dogma instead turning to real history, reality and logic.

      Socialism has been tried again and again and repeatedly fails, often murderously. We can’t waste any more time or blood on tired, Jew-contrived, pseudo-secular socialism.

  33. January 18, 2011 - 11:08 am | Permalink

    In a dysgenic Libertarian culture, populism (ratings) are surely part of the problem, not the solution?

    Here are some (long recognised, but widely ignored alas) patterns coming of age:


    Given earlier comments on NYC demographic changes, financial hegemony and the recent ongoing banking crisis, my asking what people expected, and what the US people reckon they can now do in the wake of all the de-regulation (anarchism/individualism) which they have, if the truth be told, collectively voted for, it’s hard not to see people like Irwin Stelzer correctly saying it as it is when he asserts that whilst it may all seem venal, it’s legal (and basic to modern liberal-democracy).

    This, surely, is the Libertarian democracy which most Americans (and Britons) have voted for in preference to Big (e.g. statist/Stalinist) Government, and which they would have other nations adopt too (cf. Russia, Iraq, Pakistan etc)? These individual freedoms, where markets determine value (even whilst China is taking US outsourced jobs as a consequence) are a dual edged sword. Live by the sword…

    What some apparently don’t see, is that all this talk of markets determining value (free of ‘interfering’ regulators like the SEC) has been a euphemism for letting Natural Selection or anarchism run its course. The irony (or paradox?) here is that those vocally anti-eugenics, (good breeding), anti-race, and anti-sex differences etc have also long been visibly active supporters of Libertarian right wing politics.

    How many will see or accept the connection and how many will accept the consequences. How many will accept that for a small, endogamous, eugenic group, if it can make out that it’s widely disliked for just following the American Dream and winning, this will surely just serve to further reinforce group cohesion/solidarity/networking (or else facilitate migration to the Middle East)? Criticising this group will just fuel, if not create, existing problem if the root problem is in fact not them but the political economic system? Imagine yourself in their group.


    I therefore suggest that people here take a closer look at the demographics of NYC, bearing in mind group differences in ability. Maybe its something about smart group human behaviour which is the problem? Something which Michael Young warned about as long go as 1958 and which Richard Herrnstein picked up on in the early 70s and later developed with Charles Murray, namely, meritocracy is not such a good thing after all.


    Note how China distributes its state trained graduates?

  34. Gravitas's Gravatar Gravitas
    January 18, 2011 - 10:50 am | Permalink


    John Graham@ January 17, 2011 – 11:12 pm :

    Welcome back, Caleb. Better late than never! I was beginning to think you had changed your name to “Someday”.


    John, many a true word spoken in jest.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if “Caleb” and “Someday” are a Jewish husband-and-wife team, a couple of Zionist trolls paid to infest sites like this and shut down all reasonable discourse.

    I and my academic colleagues have read your Madoff articles and have nothing bit unstinted praise to offer you for the breadth of your research and your intellectual integrity. These words of praise apply in particular to your long 8000-word article written in collaboration with Kevin MacDonald, Is the Madoff Scandal Paradigmatic?

    This is indisputably one of the best anti-Madoff articles ever written. In fact, it’s a classic — almost a reference work.

    And yet, this brilliantly researched article would be sneeringly dismissed as “unsatisfactory” and “speculative” by the likes of Someday and his sly set of backdoor infiltrators.

    Someday does not have an original mind or clever modus operandi. His function on this site is to pick holes in every single article that draws attention to the crimes and misdemeanors of organized Jewry. He attacks ALL controversial and dissident articles — all articles, that is, written by writers other than Kevin MacDonald.

    About MacDonald he is very careful not to make any serious negative statements, since that would make his troll function of intellectual sabotage on this site only too obvious.

    The idea is to undermine the morale and confidence of the writers on this site by suggesting that every single dynamic and controversial article presented here is “substandard”, and that nothing should ever be said here about the Jews that cannot be said with “100 percent certainty” (i.e. endorsed by the likes of Abe Foxman and Someday).

    Political writing is not a science. Science itself is not a hundred percent “factual” but is based on a bedrock of hypothesis. It is only as a result of a long process of intelligent guesswork and informed speculation that cast-iron facts are eventually established.

    The cognitively challenged (but smug) Someday seems blissfully unaware of these facts.


    “Someday” took loud exception to two recent articles on 9-11 that suggested that the official version of those events was fraudulent and flawed. Any Jewish involvement in the background circumstances of 9-11 (Larry Silverstein, Michael Chertoff, Five Dancing Israelis) earned his instant displeasure.

    The suggestion that the three buildings at Ground Zero were brought down by controlled demolitions (nanothermite) elicited from Someday squeals of anguish and howls of outrage. No, you mustn’t say this!

    It was almost comical witnessing this troll’s discomfiture at free speech in action.

    It’s infiltrators like this who have wiggled their way into the commentariat of this website. Why are they taken seriously? Why are they not held up to the contempt and opprobrium they deserve?

    We all know that the ADL encourages Jews to infiltrate anti-Zionist sites and create as much havoc as possible there. We know that they are even paid to do this and that they receive a special training in cheap rhetorical tricks.

    It would be astonishing indeed if Kevin MacDonald’s site were an exception to this rule of Jewish infiltration and subversion.

    I happen to know for a fact that there are at least TWO Zionist trolls working this site at the present moment, both masquerading as White Nationalists.

    Let the posters on this site wake up these facts and be aware of the identity of the Zionist trolls slithering like sly serpents among them.

    • Svend's Gravatar Svend
      January 18, 2011 - 12:05 pm | Permalink

      “Why are they taken seriously? ”

      Are they? I skip their posts.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 18, 2011 - 12:40 pm | Permalink

      Caleb is probably what he claims, people like him are useful to sharpen our argumentation on. Sometimes they say too much and provide a interesting piece of information as Caleb has (see John Grahame comment above).

      If I was Jewish I would not make so many typos, If I was Jewish i would not have embarrassed myself by misunderstanding what John Grahame wrote. Yes I do tend to complain a lot about the conspiratorial orientation which is creeping into the articles. That is partly down to my personality no doubt. But, I do think that it is an ineffective method unless you are a mainsteam mass media outfit with an audience which is already conditioned to believe. Conspiratorial themes are attractive to the dregs of society, people that normal whites would not wish to be associated with. IMO it ought to be the aim of TOO to construct a case which is has a broad unshakeable base, like a pyramid. Conspiratorial
      articles are like an inverted pyramid.

      ‘Gravitas’ is not a good name for you as you are a gravity denier; change it to ‘Nanothermitas’

    • John Graham's Gravatar John Graham
      January 18, 2011 - 1:57 pm | Permalink

      Thanks, Gravitas – very kind.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 18, 2011 - 2:11 pm | Permalink

      My money’s on YOU for Zionist Troll, Gravitas.
      Protesting too much, WAY too much.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      January 19, 2011 - 12:04 am | Permalink

      Gravitas, can you give us specific information on the training that the ADL and others provide to trolls? And do you know for a fact that they pay people to act as trolls? I mean, can you provide citations or links? I believe this, or something like it could be true, and I wonder what information you have to share.

      I don’t agree with your attack on Someday by the way.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 19, 2011 - 10:29 am | Permalink

      Political writing is not a science. Science itself is not a hundred percent “factual” but is based on a bedrock of hypothesis. It is only as a result of a long process of intelligent guesswork and informed speculation that cast-iron facts are eventually established.

      That is a fair point Gravitas, I could be wrong about what kind of writing is most politically effective. The hard sell might be the best overall strategy for winning over a mass of average whites even if it alienates a few potential converts. But it is not much of a jump about Schumer and the Jewish community protecting Madoff (even though they knew he was running some kind of fraud on the market) That is based on agreed fact.

      Those who believe in a 9/11 false flag theory may want to consider that they could be wrong about their effect on average whites. You may believe but supposing you are canvassing support for A3P, and you start off by giving a average white the hard sell about 9/11, what would happen?

  35. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    January 18, 2011 - 8:25 am | Permalink

    Accuracy in reportage goes without saying ( or ought to).
    My early comments contained an error ( although I stand by essentally the same criticisms) and maybe overstated things. But personally it don’t like articles orientated to showing there was a particular conspiracy unless it’s airtight.

    A claim to have found a ‘smoking gun’ (the phone call) might have differing effects depending on the reader ( i.e. depending on whether they are a seasoned nationalist or not). If the case is less than cast iron then a slightly sympathetic reader might think ‘hmm that’s pretty loosely argued, any stick is good enough to beat the jew for these characters’.

    I much prefer the tenor of the original article:-

    the first thing to grasp about the Madoff phenomenon is that it was a large scale transfer of wealth from non-Jews to Jews

  36. January 18, 2011 - 7:41 am | Permalink

    For what it’s worth, reading many of the comments here and in other threads, serious people in the USA are going to have to make substantive changes as demography and personal politics is what matters. This comes down to how people behave. Will they face up to the dire physical and economic trends now at work? De-regulation and freedom (cf. the 1999 financial legislation) is the problem, not solution.
    To have any hope of better managing the mess (which this generation and previous generations created for themselves through embracing and peddling Libertarianism), people (including those reading and writing to blogs like this) are going to have to better analyse the problems, and stop wasting time on what can’t be managed because of a too coarse level of analysis. Failure to appreciate this point will just result in lots of hot air and profitable conflict (rather like yelling at football games in support of one side or the other). Just remember that behind the scenes, there are those making money from selling tickets so that people yell, complain and buy drinks and hot-dogs. It’s like asking for donations at controversial websites – it’s good for selling advertising space, merchandise etc but not much else in the end?

    • January 18, 2011 - 10:53 am | Permalink

      Longley: “freedom is the problem…not solution.”

      Longley, there you go again, peddling your neo-Bolshevism. How did America manage to prosper for so long before corrupt Jewry and collaborators infiltrated it, used government to steer so many resources its own way, and only “deregulated” it when it came to allowing Jewry and collaborators to plunder the system? Sure, we need more regulation by Judeofascist-occupied government, don’t we? Kind of like how Barney Frank and his boyfriend “regulated” Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by writing all kinds of legislation setting up the Federal government as the insurer of all kinds of scam mortgages, so that when Wall Street banksters could make billions writing sham mortgages, and when they got caught with bad debt, it was gentile American taxpayers who were forced to bail them out.

      Private enterprise along with Christian moral authority (not government moral authority) worked for America for decades before left-liberalism and neoconservatism snuck corrupt Jewry and other scam artists into the back door. But you socialists think we should put everyone in a straight jacket because you refuse to accept that a Christian system is superior to a Jewish one. That makes you a Jew tool.

  37. John Graham's Gravatar John Graham
    January 17, 2011 - 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Welcome back, Caleb. Better late than never! I was beginning to think you had changed your name to “Someday”. (Sorry about that, Someday.)

    In a comment to “The Picower Madoff settlement: A $7.2 Billion Whitewash” you said:

    “Not the Senator himself but a member of his staff called the SEC to ask whether Madoff was under investigation. This query was made on behalf of several Madoff investors, the majority of whom unsurprisingly reside in Sen. Schumer’s State of New York. These investors did indeed harbor doubts about the steady returns they were receiving from the Madoff fund regardless of market conditions…”

    Could you please supply the source for this, as I asked previously? It goes beyond the Politico story.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 18, 2011 - 12:00 am | Permalink

      Since you keep stealing my phrases, John, I am imposing a moratorium on disclosures on Sen. Schumer.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 18, 2011 - 2:01 pm | Permalink

      You incorporated in your article my observation from an earlier post of how Chuck Schumer looks at people over the top of his reading glasses (and even included a still of him doing it) which some people could misinterpret–if they really wanted to.
      I am flattered you find my remarks relevant enough to “borrow?”, er…”paraphrase?” but I think you should do your own writing.

      [I get the feeling this comment also will be removed due to “low rating”.]

  38. Kale Deschanel's Gravatar Kale Deschanel
    January 17, 2011 - 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Jews always make light of what they can’t really deny or defend, hence statements like “… yeah, blame the jews,” to make something valid come off as silly, lowbrow, misdirected. The SEC is crawling with jews, ’nuff said.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 17, 2011 - 11:01 pm | Permalink

      Actually, Kate, the don’t have enough.
      Like the Marines, the SEC is looking for a Jew good men (and women).

    • Edward's Gravatar Edward
      January 18, 2011 - 12:33 am | Permalink

      Jews always make light of what they can’t really deny or defend

      The tactic is called “agree and accentuate” and is highly effective. The Jew appears cool under fire by sarcastically ridiculing the protagonist as an obsessive buffoon. If the protagonist persists with the same line of questioning, the Jew will attempt to turn the tables by lashing out at the supposed buffoonish obsessive behavior. The protagonist may be fooled into trying to defend his own words. If he still persists with the original topic, the Jew will hastily end the conversation with affected disgust at such impenetrable stupidity.

  39. Hans's Gravatar Hans
    January 17, 2011 - 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Off topic, but what the heck: “conservative” Jewish columnist Jamie Weinstein ranks the putative 2012 presidential candidates. Oh my, he hates “isolationist” Ron Paul, but loves Jewish chickenhawk John Bolton. Imagine that.

  40. dan neil's Gravatar dan neil
    January 17, 2011 - 7:46 pm | Permalink

    I think the best bet is as always tell your friends not to deal with anyone jewish in any business transaction be it a deli sandwich or your retirement fund..

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 17, 2011 - 9:18 pm | Permalink

      Great advice…if only they didn’t have the best pastrami.

    • Tom's Gravatar Tom
      January 18, 2011 - 7:18 am | Permalink

      That’s the first thing that any freshman business major should be taught—don’t have any business dealings with Jews! LOL. That advice alone would be worth the price of a college education.

      The second rule would be, don’t do business with any gentiles who do business with Jews. Chances of you being a secondary victim of the Jews are almost 100%.

  41. Hans's Gravatar Hans
    January 17, 2011 - 7:25 pm | Permalink
  42. Tom Brown's Gravatar Tom Brown
    January 17, 2011 - 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Who is this Caleb? Weird name.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 17, 2011 - 11:23 pm | Permalink

      Caleb is a character in the Old Testament Bible (Numbers, Chap 13), a man of courage and optimism who is not afraid to go against the majority. He also is a man of strength, still vigorous at 85.

  43. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    January 17, 2011 - 4:09 pm | Permalink

    No SEC staffer current or former has to now reported such a call though it might be in her or his interest to do so

    No it would not. It is never in anyone’s individual interest to suggest that Jews look out for one another for the simple reason that to a significant extent they do look out for one another. If you suggest that ‘the Jews’ are not a collection of isolated, powerless individuals they will gang up to destroy you.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 17, 2011 - 4:49 pm | Permalink

      Caleb, do you think this site has made any legitimate points at all?

      Are we are all totally deluded Caleb ?

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 17, 2011 - 9:16 pm | Permalink

      SEC = “the Jews”?

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 17, 2011 - 11:14 pm | Permalink

      “Are we are all totally deluded Caleb ?”

      YOU said it, Someday, I didn’t. Anyway, “we all” is not that many people when you take away the sock puppeting.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 18, 2011 - 7:26 am | Permalink

      Is Luis Rene Beres totally deluded, is Charles Krauthammer ?

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 18, 2011 - 1:51 pm | Permalink

      “Is Luis Rene Beres totally deluded, is Charles Krauthammer ?”

      I do not understand these references. Please elucidate.
      Prof. Louis (not Luis) Rene Beres is a specialist on Israeli security matters. What has he to do with Sen. Schumer or Bernie Madoff?

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 18, 2011 - 3:13 pm | Permalink

      Louis Rene Beres says Israel is “Throwing itself upon the mercy of sworn enemies” and will become the tomb of the Jewish people. “‘We have witnessed a phenomenon which probably has no parallel in history; an emotional and moral identification by the majority of Israel’s intelligentsia with people openly committed to our annihilation.’ … This identification has created a Jewish body politic that is disarming itself, ensuring the onset of existential harms”.

      Is Kevin MacDonald saying anything different about his people ?

  44. Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
    January 17, 2011 - 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Doing it again, “John Graham”? Guilt by association–except there isn’t even any association. Madoff is Jewish, Sen. Schumer is Jewish, SEC’s David Kotz is Jewish–and nothing more but that apparently is enough for you.
    The last two MUST be in cahoots with the first.
    One minor point **a propos** hearsay, there is only the hearsay statement in Markopolos’ self-aggrandizing book to indicate that Inspector General Kotz ever brought up an alleged call to the SEC from Sen. Schumer. The Kotz Report is silent about it. No SEC staffer current or former has to now reported such a call though it might be in her or his interest to do so as it might take some of the heat off the Commission for having so grievously failed in its duty.
    But for you, it’s an indisputable fact.

    • Svend's Gravatar Svend
      January 17, 2011 - 3:44 pm | Permalink

      For me too (it being a fact).

    • January 17, 2011 - 4:23 pm | Permalink

      @ Caleb: “Madoff is Jewish, Sen. Schumer is Jewish, SEC’s David Kotz is Jewish–and nothing more but that apparently is enough for you.”

      “Nothing more”? What about Madoff and Schumer’s association/relationship during the ponzi scheme swindles? What was the extent of that?

      And what about this: ‘The Senate Banking Committee hearing on September 10th 2009 had two sessions. Markopolos was scheduled to testify at the second session:’
      “I appeared before what was supposed to be the Senate Banking Committee…only Senators Chuck Schumer, who had made a phone call to the SEC [my emphasis], and Jeff Merkley, a Democrat from Oregon, returned. Schumer took over the questioning…
      When we returned, the whole feeling in the hearing room had changed. The SEC had reserved all the seats in the room… [My lawyer] took one look round and whispered to me, “The fix is in”.… I was surprised that I was asked so few questions. Senator Schumer seemed to focus on the other members of the panel … [my lawyer] started handing me cards urging me, “Jump in whenever you can.”
      Schumer carefully controlled this panel. I’m sure he had his reasons.”
      Is that how it really went down? It can be checked. If so, it certainly suggests Schumer was using his inside influence to shut down the investigation, which he may have feared would lead to himself and possibly others in his criminal clique.
      Caleb, a word to the wise: anti-Semitism insinuations, unlike so many MSM outlets, won’t gain you any truck on this blog. If that lazy, tired card is all you’ve got, don’t even bother commenting.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 17, 2011 - 10:52 pm | Permalink

      What association/relationship would that be, Chris? Maybe you could show me something beside hostile speculation to back up this claimed link between the Senator and the swindler.
      As for the Senate committee hearing, its purpose was to investigate laxness, incompetence, whatever on the SEC’s part. Harry Markopolis received all the acknowledgement he deserved. He already was a household name from doing the talk and financial show circuit.
      Since you bring it up, why did Markopolos need to have a lawyer there? He certainly wasn’t the target of any investigation.

    • January 18, 2011 - 1:11 am | Permalink

      Google “Schumer, Madoff” and all kinds of interesting and suspicious connections pop up between the two, and between Madoff and donations to the Democrat Party. It’s entirely plausible and even likely that government insiders were/are involved in a corrupt relationship with Madoff and Madoff-type donors.

      Are you denying that our system is now corrupt? Even a child should be able to see how corrupted this system has become from the government regulators through the politicians through the private sector. These constant, massive government-engineered bubbles followed by busts in which so many average Americans lose their shirts (not to mention their houses) is proof on its face of this system’s corruption, and that it is not being properly regulated.

      Please, spare me the feigned poses of injury and witch hunt insinuations. Americans are increasingly fed up with affectations of victimhood by corrupt Jewry.

      And why are you trying to take the spotlight off of Schumer and put it on Markopolos, who is a courageous whistle blower? Typical dirty trick, attack the accuser, attack people with integrity for blowing the whistle on a corrupt Jew.

    • Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
      January 18, 2011 - 1:48 pm | Permalink

      Like I said, Chris, hostile speculation. Plus a hefty dose of obsession.
      Home team lost a close one? Gotta be because that Milwaukee JEW Bud Selig is Commissioner of Baseball.

      Speaking of corrupt, and of sports, I saw a piece on “60 Minutes” last night about a professional gambler who made millions on sports bets (legal in the State of Nevada). He remarked that the one place he got swindled was on Wall Street and he particularly mentioned a large purchase of Enron stock. While the Madoff victims will recoup some of their losses due to the Picower and other settlements, he’ll never see a dime of that money!

    • Paul's Gravatar Paul
      January 23, 2011 - 3:44 pm | Permalink

      Sorry Caleb. They’re ALL Jews. Its not even an insinuation, its a real world observation. This sort of thing seems endemic whenever the Jews are about in American political life. That’s also an observation, not an insinuation.

  45. H. R.'s Gravatar H. R.
    January 17, 2011 - 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Yes Mr. Longley, the 2% national figure is quite misleading. All one has to do is look at school enrollments, actual population numbers in certain areas, real estate records, etc. to see that the 2% figure, and jews always supply their numbers as being 1-2% of any given population, is a complete fantasy, another form of cover. I can remember reading an article, I’ll try and dig it up, by a couple of jewish researchers who concluded the actual jewish population of the US was 6%, maybe a bit higher, not smaller, and certainly not 2% of the overall US population. You would actually be surprised at the number of jews in Illinois for instance.

  46. svend's Gravatar svend
    January 17, 2011 - 12:45 pm | Permalink

    The Madoff series has been excellent. Thanks.

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      January 22, 2011 - 10:29 am | Permalink

      …as have most of the comments.

  47. January 17, 2011 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    Elaborating just a little, and using some rough figures just for expository clarity (they are close to the true figures), take five ethnic groups living in the financial capital of the major libertarian (i.e free and deregulated) liberal-democracy.

    Group A comprises two (White) sub-groups: one N=2 million with a mean (verbal) IQ of ~115 and the other (White) smaller sub group of no more than say 800K having a mean IQ of 100). Next, two large ethnic groups, each well over 2 million (Hispanic Americans and Black Americans) have mean IQs of say 92 and 85 respectively. Finally, just for completeness, the last smallish group of about 900K (East Asians) we’ll give, for the sake of argument, a mean IQ of say 110.

    Now, with assortive mating (like mating with like in terms of phenotypes), most of the groups will socialise and mate with their peers. This acts as a gene-barrier, and would surely explain much that one has seen in recent times. There need be no ‘conspiracy’, one need just look to natural assortive mating surely? After all, one will also observe Hispanic Americans assortively socialising and mating, Black Americans assortively socialising/mating, East Asian Americans assortively socialising/mating etc. Where there is intellectually complex white collar crime, where is one most likely to observe it, ceteras paribus? Note one need not even look at skin colour or ethnicity, just IQ. The same probabilistic associations would be observed given the population frequencies and the known IQ parameters.

  48. January 17, 2011 - 10:20 am | Permalink

    “When you read Mr. Kotz’s report (PDF)…it’s just astounding…How the heck did this happen…all you had to have was an IQ of about 100 and even a semi desire to find out what happened…you didn’t have to turn over every stone…most people if they’d just read what happened they’d say there’s got to be fraud…to let Madoff escape…”

    Here’s a question (raised elsewhere but so far unanswered to the best of my knowledge). It’s an empirical question which hopefully someone better informed than myself (about New York State and NYC demographics) can answer.

    Have a look at this comment (#5 and later, for elaborations):


    Looking at a) the ethnic composition of the White population of NYC and b) the sizes of these two White NYC groups relative to the other major NYC groups (Hispanic and Black American – the 900K East Asian Americans being another small elite minority), the group mean IQs must impact upon hegemony in this, the financial centre of the USA (if not globe) surely? That being so, what is to be expected (statistically speaking)? There is an additional, more subtle point to be grasped here about what is to be held responsible/accountable: a set of behaviours or a group by name. That is, what is the name, is it a name of a class of behaviours?

    Another question. If the data in the comment is sound, would one not expect the mean White SAT and NAEP scores to be significantly statistically higher for NYC relative to Whites in most other US cities?

    The Ashkenazi population is primarily concentrated in three states to my knowledge, urban New York, California and Florida. The 2% national figure is thus quite misleading.

  49. Tom Brown's Gravatar Tom Brown
    January 17, 2011 - 9:59 am | Permalink

    Look, when you call the shots economically–like the creation of the Jewish Federal Reserve system–then you will be stacking the decks financially, culturally, academically, socially, scientifically (pseudo). You–the Jew–have made this nation into the perverted bastion of insanity we see everywhere we look. Thanks a lot, Jews. You don’t rock.

  50. JJ's Gravatar JJ
    January 17, 2011 - 9:43 am | Permalink

    A Jewish fraudster, a Jewish investigator, a public hearing by a Jewish senator, reported by Jewish Newspapers, which have preemptively have made the Jews as victims. How many facts do you need?
    Don’t worry, none of you at the SEC will be punished as long as you keep your mouth shut.

    • Felix's Gravatar Felix
      January 17, 2011 - 12:13 pm | Permalink

      First and foremost Schumer viewed Madoff as a fellow tribesman and would, of course, do as much as he could to let him skate.

    • gnostic shekel's Gravatar gnostic shekel
      January 24, 2011 - 1:16 am | Permalink

      Brilliant. That says it all.

  51. January 16, 2011 - 11:56 pm | Permalink

    Schumer: “the one who gets away with it…”, until he doesn’t. He’s a one-man allegory of the entire Jewish Condition. Frankly and for the time being, given that CS is an archetypal Jew – fast, sharp, corrupt, left-wing, bankster-owned, Zionist, gun-grabber – we are probably better off having him out and about. His sort go through life leaving a trail of “anti-semites” in their wake.

  52. Frank's Gravatar Frank
    January 16, 2011 - 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Off topic but did anyone see that brief clip of Shumer telling an orthodox group that the Palestinians should be economically strangled because they “don’t believe in torah or King David”? Guess that includes us too

  53. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    January 16, 2011 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    John, I agree with you, and I’m glad you wrote the story. I hope you keep researching & writing.

    I watched Schumer’s performance on C-Span, and it was pretty obvious to me that he was playing cover his ass.

    I’m sure anyone can go to C-Span, and watch the archived replay of the hearings.

    The only thing that bothers me, is even if you had 100% proof that Schumer was a Madoff shill, and that Schumer had benefited from a relationship with Madoff it would be almost impossible, it would be impossible, to get a prosecution of Schumer started.

    Maybe, you can send the facts that you have to Business Week, they might even write an unflattering article about Schumer. But, that’s about all that would happen.

    Like the repeal of Glass Steagle, or the Federal Reserve violating its charter, these financial crimes are to the point of film noir.

    • felipeb's Gravatar felipeb
      January 16, 2011 - 8:38 pm | Permalink

      Schumer and the Democrats’ Senatorial Campaign when Schumer controlled it benefited greatly from the Madoff connection. Just check the FEC. Bought and paid for.

  54. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    January 16, 2011 - 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Someday is trying to project innocence regarding the Jewish occupation of the highest levels of government. (Remember though that Jews still wear the beenie caps imposed on them by a past Pope to show their subservience to the Roman Universal Church that used them more than 40 times to go into countries and trap the elites in debt foreclosures that were then taken over by the church as the Jews were sent on to their nextgassignment with their seed money retained) – Richard Kelly Hoskins),

    The sum total of this article is not a liability. However Someday is absolutely correct that the whites have been brainwashed into silly mindlessness that is orchestrating the submersion and destruction of their own heritage and race.

    The real nugget of truth in this article is that the Jews – devastated and powerless victims of numerous slights and indignities – have insinuated themselves into the highest levels and are inflicitng major damage.

    Another great example of this was the PBS documentary on how Brooksley Born was blocked from imposing regulation on deriviatives in 1998. She claimed (which proved true) derivatives would wreck the nation’s economy. Jewish economy experts Alan Greenspan, Larry Summers and Bob Rubin appeared before the wise Congressional committee and said Born was wrong and they jews were right. The Congressman bought the alleged wisdom and honesty of the jews – with tragic consequences a decade later. Even tragic for Madoff, who was forced to give up his scam when the collapse caused a run on his fund.

    Some day Someday will somehow learn that the Defense Policy Board in charge of the mililtary was dominated by jews on 911, he will learn that 21 of the top 24 posts at the Ivy league schools are held by jews or, in two cases, their spouses, that the Homeland Security director of both the U S and New Jersey at one time were both dual citizen Jews – explaining how the Mossad agents got out of the country, that Rabbi Dov Zackheim was in charge when a billion dollars disappeared from the military even before the war on terrorism led to massive ground troop invasions in both Iraq and Afghanistan, that Shrub Bush began his cabinet meetings with readings from the Talmud, the jewish master plan etc etc etc.,

    This article correctly points out that Markopolos complained to a Jew about a criminal Jew before a jewish run SEC – and justice was not served.

    And still isn’t. Time and Newsweek and Fox and ABC and CBS and NBC have covered this up – and still a large segment of the population knows the truth. And they dare to stand up.

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      January 17, 2011 - 12:17 am | Permalink

      Thanks, Dan.

    • Edward's Gravatar Edward
      January 17, 2011 - 1:35 pm | Permalink

      You charge the Catholic Church with serving as a Jewish agent but have zero proof. The Church has historically been the greatest bulwark against the Jews.

    • Floda's Gravatar Floda
      January 18, 2011 - 11:58 pm | Permalink


      There will come a day when the gently grazing herd will do much more than just stand up. It will become an almighty, unstoppable stampede! When every Bank is a Ponzi scheme, the courts run by Jews, the press, the TV, Hollywood’s attack on the family, the mass murder of countless thousands of unborn White kids, millions of fraudulent Home foreclosures, etc etc. As it gets worse it gets better to those who are wise. They have been expelled from EVERY country they ever infested, most recently Germany. America is next. It seems the 911 matter is now generally understood to have been orchestrated by the barbarous tribe of child murdering shysters. When THAT comes out it will be the end of them. Look for long ques at El Al ticket desks for one way tickets to their middle eastern bolt hole.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 19, 2011 - 9:49 am | Permalink

      Why is Dan’s comment highlighted, do you realize he is actually saying that the Catholic Church controls the Jews.

      Remember though that Jews still wear the beenie caps imposed on them by a past Pope to show their subservience to the Roman Universal Church that used them more than 40 times to go into countries and trap the elites in debt foreclosures that were then taken over by the church as the Jews were sent on to their nextgassignment […] the Jews – devastated and powerless victims of numerous slights and indignities

    • Henry Ford's Gravatar Henry Ford
      January 19, 2011 - 10:40 am | Permalink

      I think at least a trillion dollars went missing from the Pentagon? Secretary Rumsfield discussed it at some committee hearing just before 9/11.Dov Zackheim was in charge of the money at the Pentagon at this time.Of course the government never found out who stole the money and the media dropped the story with no follow up and then 9/11 happened. The video Missing Links covers this amazing story.

    • gnostic shekel's Gravatar gnostic shekel
      January 24, 2011 - 1:14 am | Permalink

      These Jews “helpless and taken advantage of”? Dude you need to to some hardcore research. This crowd of psychos has been stealthily usurping and swindling their host nations sincfirst e they declared themselves a tribe. These poor, pitiful victims have always gotten the foolish goy to pay their bills, kill and die for their benefit going back to when they used Cyrus’s resources to scam Jerusalem, Pontius Pilate to kill Jesus, Joseph in Egypt… all the way down to the present pharisees we have in D.C sucking USA resources to take control of the middle east.
      Helpless, innocent victims. LOLOLOL. This garbage will happily put you to death and then charge your family burial fees. Read the Talmud and grow up.

  55. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    January 16, 2011 - 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Interesting that Schumer is an IQ realist, but who did he have in mind-

    all you had to have was an IQ of about 100

    I don’t think it is a good idea to hang so much on what Harry Markopolos says he was told by was told by “a government agency” (more likely an individual who worked for the agency) about a call from Schumer. Markopolos probably was told it happened but that proves nothing, people have been known to tell lies.

    The article is handicapped by relying on a disputed fact. If an argument is aimed at winning over uncommitted whites it has to work with the level of credibility that uncommitted whites give white nationalism (i.e. not much). In other words TOO needs to build on an agreed factual base and not take the reader for granted. Articles which don’t come up to that standard are a liability .

    • John Graham's Gravatar John Graham
      January 16, 2011 - 5:54 pm | Permalink

      Pretty silly comment, Someday. Markopolos was asked during SWORN TESTIMONY by the Inspector general of the SEC, H David Kotz, about the Schumer call. He had previously said he had been told about the call by a “government agency” (note he didn’t say by an agency employee, which would be correct: Kotz personified the SEC in the meeting). No doubt about the fact. Schumer did have a staff member put up a denial on Politico, but apparently it was redacted when they realized the MSM was ignoring the issue.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 17, 2011 - 7:39 am | Permalink

      ‘Liability’ is maybe putting it too strongly, however I do think TOO articles ought to have the aim of winning over sympathetic whites by arguing from agreed facts. Making a case which is only plausible for committed nationalists is far easier but of relatively little value in the grand scheme of things IMO.

      He asked a lot of questions about possible interference in the investigation, ranging from asking me if I knew anything about the phone call supposedly made by Senator Schumer (I didn’t)….

      By my way of thinking the word ”supposedly’ was used to show Kotz was asking if there was anything to back up Markopolos’ hearsay about the call from Schumer.
      You can bet Schumer would not have issued a denial if there was evidence proving that he had made a call. (Maybe he did make a call or had an informal word with a top man at the SEC, but what we can surmise about the way these things work might not convince the potential convert to nationalism.) Furthermore lawyers like Kotz never ask questions unless they know what the anwer is going to be. The criminal-investigation-questions-on-oath about possible interference were only asked of Markopolos because Kotz knew Markopolos did not have anything beyond hearsay.

      Posts like this are interesting for the those who are already believers but of very limited value for winning over the uncommitted.

    • January 17, 2011 - 1:18 pm | Permalink


      you don’t think the “uncommitted” will be interested to know that Jewish rackets in Congress and “private eneterprise” are apparently enabling ponzi schemes like Madoff’s in order to enrich themselves? The author of this piece never claimed that it was a comprehensive account, but rather simply added a couple of more pieces to the puzzle.

      Why would adding a couple more pieces to the puzzle of a growing body of evidence that Jewish rackets play a huge role in Congress make you so uncomfortable?

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 17, 2011 - 1:53 pm | Permalink

      There is nothing really wrong with the article but it makes me uncomfortable because I know that nationalists have been saying very similar things for a very long time and such tactics don’t seem to work. I think that too often nationalists presume that they can rely on the reader to accept their conclusion. IMO it’s far better to build a cast iron case at a more general level (ie transfer of resources to Jews) even if it lacks a sensational ‘smoking gun’.

    • John Graham's Gravatar John Graham
      January 17, 2011 - 2:02 pm | Permalink

      Wrong again, Someday – were you never taught that if you want to argue about history it is a mistake to invent facts? Markopolos never proffered hearsay about Schumer calling Madoff: he makes it plain that he had never heard about the call until Kotz raised it with him. Kotz was not cross-examining a witness in a trial where your remark about knowing the answer might be true: he was conducting an investigation under oath. He could have asked if Markopolos knew anything about Congressional intervention generally – but he named Schumer. The inference is that there was a call and Kotz was trying to decide if he had to mention in his report.

      Politicians take calculated risks in denying the provable truth all the time. Ever heard of Bill Clinton? But with a sycophantic and cowardly MSM Schumer had little reason to worry.

      Thanks for your advice about how to rig my essays to win converts. I prefer the traditional WASP procedure: establish the truth and let the reader decide. It is a cultural thing.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 17, 2011 - 2:42 pm | Permalink

      When he volunteered to give evidence on the fraud to the newly-appointed Inspector General of the SEC, David H. Kotz, Markopolos was surprised to be asked to testify on oath:

      David Kotz began by telling me right off the bat that he was conducting a criminal investigation…. He asked a lot of questions about possible interference in the investigation, ranging from asking me if I knew anything about the phone call supposedly made by Senator Schumer (I didn’t)…. (pp. 239–43)
      Previously Markopolos had said, “I was told by a government agency, for example, that at some point New York Senator Chuck Schumer called the SEC to inquire about the Madoff investigation” (p. 141). (From the context, this was all clearly in connection with the last SEC probe.)

      Yes John your right. My mistake, I didn’t read it closely enough.

      OK, It was Kotz who was Markopolos’ “government agency” source when he asked Markopolos’ if he “knew anything about the phone call supposedly made by Senator Schumer”

      But Markopolos’ previous statement in the book – “I was told by a government agency’ would not lead one to think that the substance of that conversation was just him being questioned about a supposed call from Schumer.

      It is an inference that there was such a call.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 17, 2011 - 3:41 pm | Permalink

      SEC employee with ambitions would stay far away from any case in which the politically important Jewish community were involved so I would not be surprised if the investigation into the heavily Jewish Madoff operation got chilled before it started. SEC employees would not need a call from Schumer a to know they’d better steer clear of a rigorous investigation into Madoff .

      I’m not saying Schumer did not make the call however, just that there is not a cast iron case that he did. I think the prerogatives of the Jewish community can be seen in the reluctance to even begin an investigation into Madoff .

    • January 17, 2011 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

      @ Someday,

      There’s no need to build a “cast iron case” before adding pieces to the puzzle on blogs like this. In fact, the cast iron case will come as A RESULT of adding pieces to the puzzle on blogs like this.

      Also, it’s true that American nationalists in near history have been demagogued for small mistakes here and there vis-à-vis the Jewish question, but this was in the wake of “The Holocaust (TM)” — a card the Jewish nationalists have milked to the bone and finally overplayed at this point.

      We’re in a new paradigm now, and Jewry is no longer anywhere near as sympathetic as it once was.

      The worm has turned…

    • gnostic shekel's Gravatar gnostic shekel
      January 24, 2011 - 1:05 am | Permalink

      Dig back even further when Schumer was tangled up in the Bank of NY scandal, Marc Rich and Edmond Safra, w/ ecstacy smuggling and all sorts of real dirt. This khazar criminal has a rap sheet for MILES.

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