Zeus and Europa
(Translated from the French by Tom Sunic)
The “West”? Raymond Abellio observed that “Europe is fixed in space, that is to say, in geography, as opposed to the West which is “portable.” In fact, the “West” has continued travelling and changing directions. In the beginning that term meant the land where the sun sets (Abendland), as opposed to the land of the rising sun (Morgenland). Starting with the reign of Diocletian in the late third century AD, the opposition between East and West came down to the distinction between the Western Roman Empire (whose capital was Milan and then Ravenna) and the Eastern Roman Empire in Constantinople. The first one disappeared in 476 AD, with the abdication of Romulus Augustulus. After that the West and Europe merged for good. However, starting with the eighteenth century the adjective “Western” came to light on nautical charts referring to the New World, also called the “American system,” as opposed to the “European system,” or the “Eastern Hemisphere” (which then included Europe, Africa and Asia).
In the interwar period the West, having always been associated with Europe, as for example in Spengler’s works, was contrasted to the Orient, which turned into an object of fascination (René Guenon) and a scarecrow (Henri Massis). During the Cold War, the West included Western Europe and its Anglo-Saxon allies such as England and the United States, both being at that time opposed to the “Eastern bloc,” dominated by the Soviet Russia. This view, which allowed the U.S. to legitimize its hegemony, survived the collapse of the Soviet system (also for example with Huntington).
Today, the West has again acquired new meanings. At times it can have a purely economic one: “Western” are all developed, modernized, industrialized countries, such as Japan, South Korea and Australia, including the countries of the former “Eastern Europe,” North America or Latin America. “Ex Oriente lux, luxus ex Occidente,” (Light comes from the East; luxuriousness comes from the West) quipped jokingly the Polish writer Stanislaw Jerzy Lec. The West is losing its spatial content only to become merged with the notion of modernity. On the global level and as the last incarnation of furor orientalis in the eyes of Westerners, the West is opposed to Islamism. Accordingly, a fundamental divide separates the “Judeo-Christian” West from the “Arab-Muslim East,” and some people do not hesitate to predict that the final struggle of “Rome” and “Ismaël” — the war of Gog and Magog — will culminate in the messianic era.
In reality, there is no more such thing as the unitary “West,” just as there is no homogenous “East.” As for the notion of the “Christian West,” it has lost all meaning ever since Europe sank into indifference and “practical materialism” and in view of the fact that religion has become a private matter. Europe and the West have become completely disjointed from each other — to the point that defending Europe often means fighting against the West. No longer related to any geographical domain, let alone cultural, the word ‘West’ should be forgotten for good.
Let us rather talk about Europe. By thinking objectively, that is to say, by acquiring the gift for distancing itself from its self, and in order to be able to objectively rule on the true, the just and the good, Europe, all of a sudden, wished to access the universal — a desire that is not to be found in other cultures. Jean-François Mattei rightly speaks about the “theoretical view of the universal.” This idea of the universal has later on degenerated into universalism, which originally had a religious nature and then a secular nature (there is just as much distance between the universal and universalism as there is between liberty and liberalism). In its quest for Sameness, universalism boils down to the ideology of the Same, at the expense of Difference, i.e. in affirming the primacy of Oneness over Multiplicity. But it also reflects hidden ethnocentrism to the point that any idea of universal inevitably reflects a specific conception of the universal. Initially, there was a need to grasp the Other from the point of view of the Others and not from one’s own Self — which was both commendable and necessary. Afterwards, one gave up on being his Self — which turned out to be catastrophic.
Oswald Spengler (1880 – 1936)
Europe seems to be now in decline at all levels. The very construction of Europe is melting away before our eyes. Not only is Europe the “sick man on the economic planet” (Marcel Gauchet); it is also facing an unprecedented crisis of intelligence and political will. It wishes to bail out of history, driven by the idea that the present state of things — the boundless capital and techno-science — are expected to continue their course forever and that there is nothing else possible, and especially that there is nothing better. Ceding to an impetus that has become a part and an object of the history of others, Europe has exempted itself from its very self. Between the destitution of its past and the fear of its future, it believes in nothing else other than abstract moralism and disembodied principles that would save her from thriving in its being — even if the price is its metamorphosis. Forgetting that history is tragic, assuming that its can reject any consideration of power, searching for consensus at any cost, floating weightless, as if in a form of lethargy, not only does it consent to its own disappearance, but it interprets its disappearance as a proof of its moral superiority. One can obviously think of the “last man” that Nietzsche talked about.
So the only thing that is not declining is the subject of the decline itself — which is the subject of the permanent “declination.” This issue is not an offshoot of the old tradition of cultural pessimism. We need to know whether history obeys intrinsic laws that go beyond human action. If there is a decline of the West, then this decline comes from far away and must not be reduced to the present state of affairs such as globalization. The fate of a culture is contained in its origin. Its very history is determined by its origin because its origin determines its historical itinerary, its narrative skill, and the content of its narration. Historically, the Western idea first expressed itself in a metaphysical form, after that in an ideological form, and then in a “scientific” form. Evidently, it is running out of steam today. The West has said everything it had to say; it conjugated all its myths in every possible manner. It is coming to an end in a chaotic dissolution, as a depletion of energy and all-out nihilism.
The real issue is whether there is another culture which, having already embraced modernity, could offer the world a new form of mastering the universal, both in theory and practice, or for that matter, whether Western culture, having reached its terminal phase, could give birth to another one. Indeed, when a culture comes to a close, another one can replace it. Europe has already been the site of many cultures and therefore, there is no reason why it can’t be again the homeland of a new culture, of which we need to detect warning signs. This new culture will follow on the preceding one, but it will not be its extension. Rather than lapsing into unnecessary lamentation, what is needed is an eye sharp enough to look at the margins where something can grow that enables hope.
We are back at Spengler’s, but with one correction; what comes to an end heralds a new beginning.
Alain de Benoist is a philosopher. His websites are: http://www.alaindebenoist.com/ and http://www.revue-elements.com/. This editorial was originally published in Elements, #139 (April–June, 2011).
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I expect many will see Alain de Benoist’s prognosis as rather more than a touch pessimistic.
Europeans need to talk to each other. Not via their so-called “representatives” in the “Supreme Soviet” that is the EU Parliament, but man-to-man, and woman-to-woman.
This is already happening, but it the necessary growth in such ground-level dialogue is too slow, hampered of course by language barriers. Meanwhile, we are still be seduced by “monetary union”, and “political union” (both Elitist preoccupations) when what Europe is in dire need of is simply … emotional union.
Europe must reestablish the spiritual union under which it became great.
I love this article; it’s what I’ve been waiting for. It asks hard and troubling questions and that is okay.
Translator: I was wondering about your use of the word “homogenous”. Is that what you really meant to write; do “homogenous” and “homogeneous” both exist in French also?
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/homogenous
Excellent, Monsieur de Benoist– Every European diplomat in Washington should read this…
Are Alain DeBenoist, and, Alain Gresh the same guy?
Gresh writes for LeMonde diplomatique.
non je pense non. (j’ecalte en rire)
http://mondediplo.com/_Alain-Gresh_
The “West” is in the grip of idealists who are in flight from the biological facts of life and their own mortality. In trying to transcend the terms on which we live on this Earth, ascending to an ethical plane where ‘soft power ‘ rules, they are in the grip of a delusion.
However much that Alain DeBenoist says is in a similar vein, as when he unthinkingly asserts that the growth of some new culture could give cause for hope.
Reminds me of the mythological phoenix.
Europe has various national and regional cultures, but it sounds like the author is seeking to detect a new continent-wide culture. That would be more like a new civilization than a new culture. The coasts of the Mediterranean have held previous civilizations but Northern Europeans never had their own literate civilization prior to Christianity. The Christian culture that built Europe has not so much been replaced as it has become threadbare. If the European culture dies out, the most likely replacement is Islam. That is not a favorable option for anyone loyal to Europe. To resist displacement by Islam, Europe’s organic culture must be restored.
Demonstrably, present-day Europeans have lost the will to carry on their civilization. Determining how this happened is prerequisite for finding a way to restore Europe’s collective will to live.
Hilaire Belloc said “the faith is Europe and Europe is the faith,” but Europe has lost her faith. Western religious leadership has been infiltrated by Jewish-directed Freemasons and homosexuals. If Belloc is correct, the restoration of Europe will require a cleansing of her church leadership.
It’s well to remember, I believe, that philosophical pieces like this have about the same relationship to present and future reality as a viewer discussing a movie has on the events of the movie. Reality is determined on a far more earthy level, things like what can I do to feed my family today, what are the tools and how can I acquire them. Widespread religion didn’t prevent the huge changes which have come to the world and even if we could go back to that, changes would come again. The same applies to every other aspect of our lamented lost culture. Until we can learn to deal more realistically and effectively with the earthy mechanics of living where we wind up is going to be haphazard and uncertain. We can already see the world competition for resources building; as a race how will we do? Without adequate resources it won’t make much difference what philosophy we hold.
@ Edward …
You make the same mistake so many ethnic Europeans make when discussing our early history. You have been conditioned by those hostile to our continued genetic existence, to meekly concede we were ‘nothing’ before the arrival of Christianity.
This might sound nice, and compatible with the currently dominant politically correct ethics (that, I might add, will soon be swept away, and violently if need by), but whichever way you analyze the facts, such sentiments and defeatist attitudes are (as usual) based upon lies, distortions, and propaganda.
I trust you will be delighted to learn that in fact we North Europeans did indeed have a civilization prior to the adoption of Christianity, and it was a very fine one too! We were excellent goldsmiths (capable of crafting the most exquisite pieces of fine jewellery), we built sophisticated dwellings out of timber, earth, peat, and straw that were comfortable environments for family life through both cold winters and hot summers; and from about 200 B.C., we had an alphabet, called Runes (later known as “futhark”, as taken from the first few symbols in the runic series).
Pre-runic symbols, or hällristningar, have been found in various Bronze Age rock carvings, primarily in Sweden. This is one reason why we all have a duty to help protect Scandinavia from further immigration from Africa and the Middle East. No African belongs in Scandinavia … period!
Reject the scum of Rome, who were thick in the head, and arrogant users of the word “Barbarian”, a word they used constantly to denote anyone who had the guts to defy them.
BEOWULF,
is the earliest piece of English literature, while the Angles still lived in Northern Germany.
The Sagas of Iceland, the Nibelungen Lied are all purely Germanic. No Christianity there.
The Celtic lands were also not entirely without writing and culture. Irish, Celtic and Welsh legends are numerous and there is the Ogham script In Scotland.
The traditions and laws of the ancient Germans form the backbone of English and American law.
Christianity, with its Jewish/Semitic roots had nothing to do with it.
To this day we honor Germanic mythology in the names of the days of the week:
Monday=Moon day
Tuesday= Tiu’s day( the word Teuton comes from Tiu)
Wednesday= Woden’s day
Thursday=Thor’s day
Friday= Freya(Frigga)’s day
Sunday= Sun’s day
Saturday in Viking areas, the parts of the Germanic world last converted to Christianity, is called lordag, “bath-day”, an ancient Germanic custom.
Sun always rises from the East.
How ‘civilized’ is the West? One could believe that if one believe that ‘racism’ and ‘genocide’ makes one civilized. To know the truth, one has to ask that question to natives in Americana and Australia or Jews, Gypsies and Africans in the old Europe – and over 200 million innocent people killed in Crusade, two World Wars and various western military adventures in the world – Afghanistan, Iraq, Chechnya, Iran and Libya in recent memory.
About moral values in the ‘modern West’ – less said the better.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/americas-child-sex-slaves/
You know who else you could ask? Thee Greeks of Pontus, Northern Cyprus, and Constantinople. The Copts. The Kaffiristani. The Chaldeans. The Berbers.
And you want to talk about sex slaves? That is a tradition beginning with Mohammed himself.
If you think the West is so uncivilized, feel free to return whence you came–I’m sure there is some stolen property that once belonged to a Christian or a Hindu you can have!
How civilized has the West been in Australia? Civilization is the art of living in and with cities. Compare the great cities of the Whites with the great cities of the aboriginal inhabitants, and that will tell you who’s civilized.
Oh, by putting scare quotes around “civilized” you meant to say “nice”, with “niceness” judged by whoever has grievances against Whites? It seems you do, since rhetorically you put judgement of who is “civilized” in the hands of aboriginal Australians are not civilized and never have been.
That’s just the Jewish game of lining up every non-White interest group as part of a hate-Whitey chorus. It’s got nothing to do with truth or justice, just ethnic aggression.
As for the moral corruption that’s drowning the modern West, it’s a product mainly of demoralizing Jewish influence, through the big media promoting vice and the bribed and influenced legislative and judicial systems breaking every traditional restraint on moral corruption and providing legal incentives to immoral actions such as divorce.
The lesson we should draw from this induced breakdown of our morals is not that we are inherently bad and that we ought to heed the demoralizing critiques of unfriendly ethnic groups but that when outsiders lecture us on morals we need to tell them to shut up and go away, while we get back to doing things the way that’s best for us, and the way that was as good as or better than the ways everyone else organizes to promote a moral and healthy family life.
@Rehmat:How ‘civilized’ is the West?Good question!If we are so barbaric with our ‘racism’ and ‘genocide’ why on earth does the whole non-Western world want to live among us?Yearly they come by their millions,by legal and illegal means,as real or fake asylum seekers,by smuggling,in little boats,even by walking and swimming,why?Might it be not only because of the higher standard of living but also because of the higher level of CIVILIZATION?After all We do not chop off hands of thieves,stone adulterers or hang homosexuals or those who have converted to another religion.As for those “over 200 million innocent people killed in Crusade,two world wars and various Western militairy adventures in the world”, this is a ridiculous high number.I do not know how many were killed in the crusades,but it will be less than one million.In World War I and II 20+50 million were killed.In the wars in Afghanistan,Iraq and Chechnya less than 3 million were killed.So all in all less than 74 not 200 million were killed.That is about the same as the communist regime in “civilized” China killed of their own people.Africans were never killed like Jews or Gypsies,even if you believe the official story of the Holocaust.You are spitting out anti-Western prejudices all the time.I really wonder what you are doing on this site,Rehmat.Most of your comments are entirely off-topic,and if they aren’t,such as now,they are off-truth.
EX OCCIDENTE LUX
@ Rehmat [April 21, 2011 - 10:42 pm] …
I sense you are a sincere man, and I am sure many have noticed you usually pose fair but oftentimes difficult questions. We can also detect your anger. Some of it may be justified, but I would guess the bulk of it is being festered by your misunderstanding of who Europeans truly are, and how we have been contaminated by the left-overs of those who entered our homeland from the south and east Mediterranean regions, and also from the Steppe lands of Asia.
I also suspect you are still making the same fundamental error we all make when starting out life as “seekers of truth”. We too readily accept the labels foisted upon us by evil groups, incompetent academics, religious extremists, Jewish polemicists, and the vagaries of war & conquest.
I would agree with you that what passes for the ‘West’ is uncivilized. Uncivilized in the sense of its over-reliance upon war and conquest in an attempt to influence others and gain resources. But, as the original article above seeks to examine … who really is a Westerner? What does this ridiculous term really mean?
In the final analysis, East and West are just artificial constructs, and abstract concepts. If you were living in Hawaii, what would it matter who was eastern and who was western?
You should not blame Europeans for having your sense of justice assaulted and insulted.
Can you not see?? Europeans have suffered more than their fare share of obscenities imposed upon them. Still traumatised by many of these, too many men of European stock still allow themselves to be recruited into evil schemes dreamt up by non-Europeans in order that a small coterie of already wealthy scum can be enriched even further.
Civilization in Europe went into a tailspin during those decades when Rome became ever more depraved. Perhaps it was during the Emperorship of Nero, or if not him, then it was Caligula.
We should venerate the Germanics for having the strength and courage to destroy that nest of vermin and (for several centuries at least) restore order and civilization to the European landmass. Those who still worship the glory of Rome are pervert-homosexuals; either in deed or by the adoption of their destructive immorality.
Rehmat,
lives in Canada.
Canada is a horrible Jew dominated, fast self-destructing leftist Police state with no freedom of the press or speech, list of banned books, political prisoners and so on.
In other words, it goes out of its way to invite and welcome foreign elements like Rehmat.
Rehmat is still not satisfied.
Rehmat, I can afford to buy you a one way ticket back to Muslim paradise. Sell all your property, name your airline, date of travel, destination and I will pay for your ticket.
Strictly ONE-WAY ticket, of course.
Yes, accoding to Daniel Pipes – Muhammad did started the sex-slavery by marrying Daniel’s two Jewish widowed sisters while he could have used them as ‘honey-pot’ like Bill Clinton used his Jewish white House staffer Monica Lewinsky.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/untold-a-history-of-the-wives-of-prophet-muhammad/
Athanasius, there are many White muslims like me. I am proud to be white and Muslim, please don’t dismiss us just because of our religion or culture, just like there are white Christians, asian christians, black christians, hispanic christians.
60% of Christians today are non-white, and the percentage and numbers of non-white christians is growing at an exponential rate. Christianity is no longer a “white” religion.
Christians will outnumber Muslims 3 to 2 by 2025 say researchers, and two-thirds will live in Asia, Africa or Latin America. By 2025, 67 percent of Christians will live in Africa, Latin America or Asia. This means that Christianity’s power is moving away from the West and into Third World nations. http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=5739
Islam is theological Arab nationalism. In fact, initially, there were castes of Arab Muslims, Semitic converts (by this I mean Syrians, Phoenicians, Chaldeans), and non-Semitic converts. Everyone knew that Arabs were the master race of Islam.
Only once the Omayyads realized how tenuous their hold on power was did they really seek to Arabize the Semites (who also had advanced organizational/academic skills)–which diluted their wealth, but ensconced their power. This is the origin of Levantine “Arabs.” Later, they realized that the Byzantines were a continued threat and also forced Islam on the Egyptians and Libyans (and other Berbers)–by this point the caste system had collapsed because everyone became an “Arab.”
I defy anyone to claim with a straight face that Islam isn’t an Arab suprematist religion. What language do angels speak in Islam? What language does God speak in Islam? Why do so many Egyptians, Persians and Indians (all with their own impressive histories) go to such length to claim that they are descended from Arabs? I’ve heard Egyptians and Pakistanis deny that their ancestors were ever Christian or Hindu!!!
No, conversion to Islam is a complete betrayal of one’s ancestors. I realize that Muslims come here because they blame Jews for all their problems and they want to see what insight we have into the matter. And we whites say stupid things like, “I think that the Palestinians should have an independent state because it is fair and just and right.” I think stupid things like that, too, because I have these crazy abstract universal morals.
But the truth is, the Muslims and Jews deserve each other.
Rhemat, now you’ve truly exposed yourself as not “one of us” here. Your anti-White animus has outdone itself this time.
By appealing to alien anti-White hate-memes like “racism” you make it clear that you are no friend of the continued existence of White people.
You are an outsider who has no legitimate voice here, you are a Skraeling, you belong back under whatever bridge your mother birthed you beneath.
Begone!
Couldn’t this all be said of Christianity as well? I think the idea that the people of the British Isles (and therefore Americans) are descended from lost tribes of Israel has had more to do with creating our present mess than it is usually credited with. In any case, Christians are way more philo-Semitic than secular Whites.
There was a debate in the early days of Christianity as to whether there were “holy languages,” but this notion was clearly discarded.
You are correct that there are some Christians today who think that Hebrew is God’s language, that Israel is a holy state, and that salvation comes from having Jewish genes. But that is an anomaly–one rooted in 19th century dispensationalist theology.
You can’t say that Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans, or even Anglicans believe anything like that, and they make up the vast majority of Christians.
@ Rehmat
Your problem is that you believe your own propaganda .
There is two sides to every conflict and all is fair in love and war .
We live in a time when all of the losers of the world have allied with the dark force in blaming their shortcomings on those who are obviously the most successful as to bring the successful down in to the mud .
Misery loves company .
Imagined “moral superiority” at little personal cost.
“not only does it consent to its own disappearance, but it interprets its disappearance as a proof of its moral superiority…”
Describes the attitude perfectly of a woman artist friend of mine, from way back in the 70′s, who now lives in Hawaii, when speaking of some ultimate “inevitable” “unstoppable” Third World mass invasion. Any mention that this is a convenient belief when it is unlikely that either of us will be around to see that final disaster, of course, falls on sophisticated deaf ears.
But there is always that big question. It is apparently easy for many to be indifferent to their own civilization’s destruction as their lives continue along fairly undisturbed. But how will they or their children react when the first enemies of the West start galumphing through their very own front petunia patch?
For some reason, I just thought of a wonderfully creepy line from an old Stephen King* novel, reading, or close to, “There was something evil outside, unseen under the willow, standing slumped and insane, waiting.” Well, if that wouldn’t get you motivated to act, what would?
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*King’s name used here with irony, since, judging by many of his books, setting aside the protagonist (King stand-in?) and his friends, three White men can’t seem to get together to have a beer without wanting to rape and torture some poor innocent black woman. Strange how this overriding desire amongst our kind never seems to materialize in FBI crime statistics or any gleeful press reports that would immediately go PC viral.
I think “the West” is a good term and we should keep using it, but we should be aware that it needs tacit limitations and that there is more poetry than precision in it.
“The West” unites Western Europe and its descendants, White America, and most importantly Russia-as-part-of-the-West. Without “the West” we would have no reasonable way to talk about the vital need to keep Russia wrapped close to us, as opposed to having it redefined as an Asian power with Asian interests that would put it inherently at odds with Europe and likely White people everywhere. (Including its own White population, which would have to be “Asianized” of course.)
Another benefit of talking about “the West” is that it unites Christianity-as-it-has-developed-in-Europe with the vast pre-Christian legacy of Europe, particularly the legacies of Athens and Rome. In this mixture of cultures, folklore and legal systems, I don’t think one can get away from the need for some kind of geographic expression. And “Western Europe” won’t do: America has been extremely Western too. When it was Whiter it was more Western, and when it was more Western it was better. “Western” in this sense means “informed and stimulated by awareness of the Classics, as opposed to going native or (worse) going all multicultural.
Hey, someone here has finally written sensibly to you guys about Jews. He says:
“Your problem is that you believe your own propaganda .
There is two sides to every conflict and all is fair in love and war .
We live in a time when all of the losers of the world have allied with the dark force in blaming their shortcomings on those who are obviously the most successful as to bring the successful down in to the mud .
Misery loves company .”
Right on, John Hearns!
I like all this talk of “Europe”, the amazingly sentient landmass.
Yes Europea is in a kind of chronic decline. Following the military occupation by the USA and the escision of its eastern rump, the continent and its peoples have been under an occupation. An occupation which ennervated the european spirit and contributed to its deracination by an open innvasion of afro-asians of her living space. Europe can not regain her former self, biologically and otherwise with the continuing occupation of her lands and the continual invasion by afroasian hordes. The occupation must end, the foreigners must be routed, and the afro asian colonies must be eradicated root and branch. It requires a spiritual and material catharsis. The European race has become sick and ill; where it no longer can distinguish friend from foe, kindred from non kindred. There millions and millions like this character Rehmat, ensconced in the buxom of Europe, degenerating her values, her spirit and her bilogy. Race resurrection , race consciousness; it is the only path to redemption from the decaying morass of racial dissolution which the occupiers of europe are inflicting upon her.
Does anyone know what Benoist is writing about? I don’t. It’s complete Continental Philosophy jibberish. Benoit is a cheerleader for race-replacement..that’s it. Europe and America must kick out all the Muslims and Asians. Why was this jibberish posted on Occidental Oberver.
Well stated!
What we need is a new, post-Cold War definition of “The West” that includes all of Europe and the European diaspora. “The West” is a highly useful shorthand term, a codeword even, meaning White Christian civilization worldwide, and “Westerners” are White Christians wherever they might live. “The West” should definitely *not* be forgotten.
The core of the West is Europe, 40 nations excluding 5 microstates and Turkey (of course), and the rest of the West includes all other nations with White European majorities: Russia, Canada, the US, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and Uruguay. However, the latter two, even though by most accounts both have large White majorities, are probably better classified as Latin American rather than Western nations, with Latin America being a European/African/Amerindian hybrid civilization, as opposed to the purely European character of the West. So the West includes 45 nations.
Though the West is undoubtedly a Christian civilization, “Christian” in this sense doesn’t just mean practising or believing Christians, but as an exclusionary term which doesn’t include Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists or any other non-European religions. Even though Christianity is central to the West’s identity today, the West as a unique civilization predates Constantine’s imposition of Christianity on the Roman Empire by more than 800 years, dating back to the Greco-Persian wars of the early 5th Century BC.
The ultimate Greek victory in those wars preserved the political independence of Greece, and first established the civilizational division between the West (Europe) and the East (Asia). An ideological divide between West and East (the rudimentary democracy of Greece vs the despotism of Persia) has also more-or-less persisted to the present day as well.
But it’s the racial, religious and linguistic unity and distinctiveness of Europe and the West that has primarily differentiated it from the rest. Europeans are Caucasians, generally with light-coloured skin, eyes and hair, aka White people, as opposed to their darker neighbours. Europeans are Christians, as opposed to their mainly Muslim neighbours. And Europeans are mostly speakers of Indo-European languages, as opposed to their mainly Turkic and Semitic neighbours.
The survival of Western civilization going forward is dependent on two main imperatives: Preservation and unity. To preserve the West, first and foremost, Third World immigration must be ended completely and permanently. Non-Whites and non-Christians living in the West should be encouraged to leave, or at the very least made to understand their subordinate status in our White Christian civilization. The racial and religious nature of our society must be preserved at all cost.
The unity of the West must be achieved as well, lest our constituent parts be swallowed by rival civilizations: Europe by the Muslim Middle East and North Africa, Russia by Muslim Central Asia, North America by Mestizo/Mullato Latin America, and Australasia by Muslim/Buddhist Southeast Asia.
By my count there are 4 major, and primarily Western, transnational organizations that can be used to further the project of Western unity: the OECD, NATO, the EU and the G8. The OECD is the West’s economic arm, with 28 of its 34 nations being Western. Russia, the last major White nation not yet a member, is negotiating to join the OECD, and eventually all 45 Western nations should join.
NATO is the West’s military arm, with 27 out of its 28 members being Western (the exception being Turkey). NATO should continue to expand eastward and eventually include Russia. The inclusion of Russia will shift NATO’s centre of gravity from the North Atlantic to the European continent, and weaken American dominance of the alliance, both good things IMO. A future expanded NATO, synonymous with the Greater West, will use the militaristic flank states (the US and Russia) to defend the European core and project European power around the world in the interests of White people everywhere.
The EU is the only one of these 4 organizations that is exclusively Western, all 27 of its members have overwhelming White Christian majorities. The EU should continue to expand eastward to the borders of Russia and Turkey, but no further, eventually including all 40 European nations. Needless to say, the Turkish application for membership should be rejected out of hand. A powerful and united EU is needed to succeed American leadership of the West, and the euro should replace the US dollar as the world’s primary reserve currency. Leadership within the EU should naturally fall to Germany and its Northern European neighbours.
The G8 is the West’s equivalent of a board of directors, including the 7 major White Christian nations plus Japan (honourary Whites). No further expansion is needed. The G8 is notable for the nations it *doesn’t* include, namely China and India, nor any country from Latin America, Africa or the Muslim world.
Three of these four organizations include non-Western nations, but they can still advance White interests implicitly while using the non-White nations as “beards” to disguise their true intentions. In short, I envision a German-dominated Europe within a Europe-dominated West within a Western-dominated world. But all this will be for nought if Third World immigration to the West isn’t stopped once and for all. Job number one is preserving the unique racial, religious and cultural character of the West.
@ jeppo [April 22, 2011 - 9:50 am] …
Actually, Persia was not despotic. For example, research the life of Darius the Great! This is another consequence of early Jewish (story of Queen Esther) and then later, Hollywood propaganda (e.g., the movie, “The 300″). Persian culture is one of the world’s high cultures, and stands at the top aside the best of Europe (esp. Germanic states), Japan, China, etc. Have you never tasted Persian cuisine or studied Persian (Iranian) art?? Have you any idea just how beautiful Persian women can be??
Greece under the Athenian League became despotic. But, you are not supposed to know that.
The Greeks kept slaves, and were notorious slave traders. Persia set the slaves free and forbid slavery.
Persians (true Persians) are also Aryan people, and are closely related to true Europeans. In many respects, Persians (we now know them as Iranians) are our kith and kin: far more so than any Turks!
No, we cannot abandon Argentina. Argentina deserves to be re-embraced and brought symbolically back into the fold of European culture. In no shape or form is Argentina (in the cultural sense) part of Latin America.
Some of what you have written, jeppo, is accurate, whilst a sizeable chunk reveals you to be yet another individual with passionate opinions who is nevertheless still confused, who lacks clarity and accuracy, and therefore needs to get back (with a healthy dose of humility) into the study room.
I agree that Persia has a history on par with Greece, Rome, or China.
But let their fate be a lesson to use. Arabia was basically a Persian colony. But the Persians wasted their resources on a pointless war with Byzantium and were overrun by their colony. They have never recovered.
Regarding my previous comment on this thread: April 22, 2011 – 2:06 pm.
I need to make a small but important correction. I had actually intended to point to Cyrus the Great.
In the Hebrew book of fables (a.k.a. the “Bible”) he is known as Koresh.
Here is an interesting paragraph from Wikipedia’s page on him:
Cyrus the Great is also well recognized for his achievements in human rights, politics, and military strategy, as well as his influence on both Eastern and Western civilizations. To date, Cyrus the Great and his historical signature define the national identity for many Iranians.[15] Cyrus and, indeed, the Achaemenid influence in the ancient world also extended as far as Athens, where many Athenians, adopted aspects of the Achaemenid Persian culture as their own, in a reciprocal cultural exchange.
Cyrus’s tomb is a UNESCO World Heritage Site and is situated in Pasargadae, Iran. I once watched an excellent Korean documentary on Cyrus, and from that evidence I would say a visit to his tomb would be well worth the effort for any so-called “Westerner”.
According to Plutarch, his epitaph said:
On December 10, 2003, in her acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize, Shirin Ebadi evoked Cyrus, saying:
Meanwhile, Darius I (also known as “Darius the Great”), and the Emperor I originally mentioned, was the third great King of Persia and the Achaemenid Empire.
Darius I (550 – 486 BC) is best known for his organization of a new uniform monetary system, for making Aramaic the official language of the empire, and for initiating some of the ancient world’s most magnificent construction projects, including those at Susa, Pasargadae, Persepolis, Babylon, and various works in Egypt. Darius also codified laws for Egypt.
Darius I was succeeded by Xerxes I of “The 300″ fame.
In popular culture, the reputation and image of Xerxes was first distorted by the 1962 fiction film “The 300 Spartans”, where he is portrayed (played by the actor David Farrar) as a cruel, power-crazed despot and an inept commander.
Iranians and Persian history consistently get a “bad rap” in the Western Media for mischievous reasons (recall the MI5 & CIA inspired Iranian coup d’état of 1953) that should already be obvious to all regular TOO readers.
Herodotus isn’t exactly complimentary of Xerxes either. Though I suppose that it is possible that Xerxes really had the Hellespont whipped for ruining his bridge.
Anglo-Saxon writes:
“Darius I (550 – 486 BC) is best known for his organization of a new uniform monetary system, for making Aramaic the official language of the empire, ”
Indeed, the Semitization of Aryan Persia was so advanced even at this early age that Aramaic was made the official language.
No wonder that people today have a difficult time accepting the Aryan roots of Persia, Media, Bactria, Sogdia and Vedic India.
Ironically, Aramaic is missing from the three languages used in the famous Behistun Inscription.
“As for the notion of the “Christian West,” it has lost all meaning ever since Europe sank into indifference and “practical materialism” and in view of the fact that religion has become a private matter. Europe and the West have become completely disjointed from each other — to the point that defending Europe often means fighting against the West.”
Rene Guenon:
“Today [1927] one hears from many quarters of the “defense of the West”, but unfortunately it does not seem to be understood that it is chiefly against itself that the West needs to be defended, that the greatest and most formidable of the dangers that threaten it stem form its own present tendencies.”
http://tinyurl.com/44rhfy6
I wish I said that James O’Meara. The New Testament is said to have mentioned the kingdom 205 times and salvation only 45 times. The emphasis of the Christian message is therefore on national government and lifestyle becaue personal lifestyle comes second as it naturally falls into the boundaries set by the government. I think Jesus only mentioned the doctrine of salvation once while he talked of the kingdom – national government – a lot.
Anglo-Saxon,
while I agree that the Germanic tribes played a positive role in bringing down the totally degenerate Empire that Rome became, one must remember the Ironies.
Caligula is the symbol of that degeneracy, yet in the first two years of his rule he was a fair and intelligent ruler.
Also, when he was murdered as a degenerate, murderous, semi-insane despot, his Germanic bodyguard came running, (too late) to his defense and went on a killing rampage when they realized that Caligula is dead.
The other irony is that the Germanic rulers of the Roman Empire after Odoaker did their best to salvage and resurrect what was best in Roman civilization.
Charlemagne, king of the Franks, founded the new Rome in 800, the Holy Roman Empire , which is also considered the first German Reich.
F.E. Stone:”The other irony is that the Germanic rulers of the Roman Empire after Odoaker did their best to salvage and resurrect what was best in Roman civilization.”
Irony or not – according to Orosius, Athaulf is said to have declared at Narbonne in 414 that he had once wished to substitute an imperium Gothorum for the imperium Romanum, to transform what had been Romania into Gothia, and to be for the Goths what Augustus had been for the Romans. However, Athaulf himself acknowledged that this was beyond the capabilities of the Goths, and that the only practical policy was to proceed within the existing Roman political system in order to “increase the glory of Rome by lending her the strength of the Goths”.
Well – as I wrote before – the wesreners instead of blaming non-Whites for all their problems – better try to get rid of the white filth amongst their societies – starting with Jews and Zionist Christians, who are willing to do anything to destroy western culture for Jewish money and the Jewish hookers.
Here is a latest example how West has been corrupted by this filth working for Israel.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/ban-%e2%80%98hizbullah-needs-to-be-disarmed%e2%80%99/
“Accordingly, a fundamental divide separates the “Judeo-Christian” West from the “Arab-Muslim East,”…”
We need to begin substituting “Graeco-Roman” for “Judaeo-Christian” or, at least to be honest, by saying “Christian tradition.” Any contribution Judaism made to the western tradition was only through Christianity. The morality enshrined in the ten commandments was only made universal through Christianity, and would have been kept only as a tribal code only for fellow Jews without it. Judaism has seldom ever espoused the universal rights of man and never the equality of all, which we think part and parcel of the western tradition. It took Christianity to do that.
@ Rehmat
” Well – as I wrote before – the wesreners instead of blaming non-Whites for all their problems ”
You’re out of touch .
Here we live in a time when whitey is practically blamed for all of darkies problems , now and in the past .
Then , added to this we have non-whites flooding in to every white nation on the planet to the point of complete displacement of whites and your talking about how whites should not blame non-whites ?
You are free to blame who you like , and I am free to do the same . I am also free to think that you are full of s*** .
I havbe to agree with you and also state that I hope no one here is clicking on the links to Rehmat’s racist anti white site.
My comment is not relevant to this particular story.
It has to do with the AmRen site.
I noticed someone else, in a previous article, mentioned how there is spyware on AmRen’s site.
He chalked it up to someone not liking the site and trying to spy on their members.
I don’t know if that’s true.
But according to my security software, it is true that AmRen is a high level risk.
I thought others should know this.
I contacted AmRen to let them know, and Stephen Webster said they were working on it.
That was months ago.
But the warning still pops up every time I visit.
And just to be clear, that warning is ultra rare on my software.
It almost NEVER pops up.
There must be something going on at AmRen.
I’m not trying to discourage people from visiting.
I’m just letting others know they might want to be cautious about what they write or what they click on.
Have a good, peaceful day, all.
(I didn’t know where else to post this… if this comment doesn’t make it through moderation, I’ll understand.)
Everyone should consider moving away from the Microsoft Operating System entirely, especially for online browsing. Under no circumstances should anyone be satisfied using Microsoft’s Internet Explorer Browser. There are now plenty of far more reliable and secure alternatives.
As for operating systems, it is now quite easy to dispose of Microsoft entirely.
In addition to the Apple Macintosh system, there are now plenty of Linux ‘flavours’ that can be readily downloaded (for free) and installed either as a replacement for, or to run alongside, Microsoft’s XP, Vista, or Win-7.
Anyone who is not already surfing the web from behind a Firewall is being foolish and is inviting PC security problems or infections.
Make the right technical preparations and you can kiss paranoia goodbye.
visitor, my Norton Internet Security gives the same warning. Is this the issue you are referring to?
Everything you do online is recorded by someone, and not using Microsoft won’t change that. Monitoring is done at the ISP level, and at the servers of the website, or third party servers.
The warnings at Amren are caused by them being on a “blacklist” of sorts, there’s no danger to visiting their site.
I repeat – EVERYTHING you do online is mostly tracked, and there’s almost nothing you can do about it, unless you are a very, very savvy and knowledgeable tech person – and even then, not much.
Scaring people away from AmRen is of course, the exact point of the blacklist. Let’s not do the enemies’ job for them.
Rich Pearson: “Scaring people away from AmRen is of course, the exact point of the blacklist. Let’s not do the enemies’ job for them.”
Amen.
Nothing bad happens from visiting AmRen.
In the absence of any evidence for danger, the question I ask myself is: who do I trust? In this case, do I trust Jared Taylor, or some anonymous blacklister who won’t provide reasons? I trust Jared Taylor, that’s an easy one.
One say Occidental Observer may graduate to a blacklist too. I’ll ask my self the same question: who do I trust? Between Kevin MacDonald and some anonymous blacklister who won’t provide his or her reasons, it’s an easy choice.
One day Occidental Observer may graduate to a blacklist too.
And one day we may learn to trust each other, and not trust those who accuse us without evidence.
@Frank Edwin Stone
The great myths and histories of pre-Christian Ireland are available today by the efforts of patriotic Irish monks preserving their cultural patrimony for future generations. I believe the same is true for the German and Icelandic pre-Christian classics. It is a pity that many modern Europeans lack the same habit of cultural self-preservation. What have the elitist Nietzsche followers done to compare with the European Christian forefathers. While Christian Kings, Saints, and Knights held the Jews and Muslims at bay, European guildsmen, merchants, and peasants built a civilization greater than any before or since.
Christianity was not imposed on Europeans by conquest. Pagans themselves sought it out for their own self-improvement and to secure a bright future for their children. Of course the newly Christianized Europeans preserved there own laws and languages. Unfortunately, de-Christianized, Judaized modern Europeans now jettison their organic laws and embrace a dark future for their (very few) children.
“Christianity was not imposed on Europeans by conquest. Pagans themselves sought it out for their own self-improvement and to secure a bright future for their children.”
You have to be kidding me.
“Unfortunately, de-Christianized, Judaized modern Europeans now jettison their organic laws and embrace a dark future for their (very few) children.”
Christianity IS Judaism. It is Jewish fables, Jewish characters, Jewish laws, Jewish customs, Jewish ideas. Beyond a few Platonic concepts there is nothing European about it. It is as different from Europe as Islam is.
The fact that it once kept the Jews at bay is of no relevance. It has no unifying cultural power today, nor will it ever again. If Europeans are going to survive they’re going to have to adopt a new identity based solely on their ethnicity, not their religion or nationality.
Edward; the Saxons were converted by the sword of Charlemagne. Ever heard of the Verdun massacre?
Charlemagne was himself a Germanic Frank. Of course there were many wars between Germans. Pagan against Pagan, Christian against Christian, and Christian against Pagan. Don’t single out the Verdun massacre as if it was something unique. The Franks accepted Christianity voluntarily as eventually did the other German tribes.
Chonodomarius,
the correct spelling is “the Verden massacre”.
as I recall King Olaf of the Norwegians imposed Christianity on a good part of the Vikings. Of course, Olaf was a Viking, so that may make some difference. Given my partial reading of the Icelandic Sagas, my ancestors do not appear to be particularly vehement with regard to their “religion.” Maybe somewhat like the ancient Greco-Roman world. Inasmuch as the Vikings, like our ancient Greeks per Homer, did not have any problem with sacking cities of pronounced genetic similarity, maybe Christianity was a good thing. It is easy to bash, but hard to create. Without Christianity…what would it have been? The bashers only fall back on Thor, etc. who were warrior gods. In all seriousness, a warrior god is not the best guide, unless you want to behave like Jews. We are battle-ready enough, and are in need of some control. Also, economically, the zero-sum game is very bad. Bash someone else and grab his cash. Work , work, work…is a better idea.
@Anglo Saxon
Your quote is misleading since nowhere did I say that “we were ‘nothing’ before the arrival of Christianity.” Rather, I said that we did not have a literate civilization before becoming Christian and I stand by that. Our illiterate, pagan forefathers passed down oral histories that were recorded by their literate, Christian progeny. Runes were kept secret by druids to be used for demonic incantation, not for literature. If you disagree, please post a link to any work of literature recorded in runes (aside from the works of J.R.R. Tolkien).
You must be posting from a parallel universe if you think that extolling the Christian foundations of Europe is politically correct.
There have already been numerous violent attempts to sweep away traditional Christianity by various Jewish-financed “Reformers.” The partial success of these revolutions is what brought us this current predicament.
I am sure that our Christian forefathers would agree with you since they carried forward so much of that civilization. There was never any Christian revolution to sweep away the old. Christian culture was built organically atop what came before. One of the greatest complaints by modern-thinking, Jewish-tutored “Reformers” was that the founding Christians kept too much of their inherited “pagan” culture.
You blame Christianity for this invasion?!? The borders of Europe were effectively protected from African and Middle Eastern invasion and subversion for centuries by heroic Christian Crusaders, Kings, and Inquisitors. Even Afro-Asian conquests established for centuries were mercilessly rolled back to restore the lands of Europe to her native sons. Compare the warlike manliness of our Christian forefathers to the Judaized, post-modern wimps of today.
@ Edward …
It is true that no known early literature was authored using the Rune alphabet. And yes, I am aware of the “Magic Incantation” uses of the Runes. But Hebrew is used today (as it has been since the 12th century) for exactly the same purposes (Ref: Gematria).
As I have already asserted before at this website; it can be demonstrated, conclusively, that both Judaism and Christianity (and Islam) are ALSO Pagan. Judaism is based entirely upon Saturn worship, whilst Christianity is a Solar Cult. That fact is revealed (for the doubters) by the solarium design of St. Peter’s Square in Rome!
Your use of the words literate and illiterate are a little too extreme, or “black & white” for me. Having the ability to write does not necessarily bestow cultural superiority, intellectual accuracy, or moral truth upon the writer. One needs to use broader anthropological measurements. For example, Penthouse magazine and our junk newspapers (Jewspapers) are products of our so-called ‘literate’ culture. What do they tell us?
No, I did not blame Christianity for the invasion of Scandinavia by people originating in Africa and the Middle East. Those I would primarily blame are the post-modern wimps — and don’t forget the loud-mouthed bitches who have held high political office and helped bring this about — you pointed to.
“What have the elitist Nietzsche followers done to compare with the European Christian forefathers?”
LOL. Um, fought the greatest war in the history of the world to free themselves and “the West” from enemies the Christians worship to this day.
How do the results of this Nietzschean war compare to the results of wars fought by Christianity down the centuries? What fruit has been born by the Nietzschean opposition to Christianity?
Can you name any sizable Western institution that does not currently worship our enemies? The largest such movement I know of are the keepers of traditional Christianity.
@ Athanasius
It baffles me how much you can defend Roman Catholicism as if it still stood for what it did when it was ‘good for whites’, when the Pope today fellates the Jews.
How about his recent exoneration of the Jews removing the deicide charge?
Get real. Were they on our side as some patriarchal figures and protectors of the west, they wouldn’t have suddenly endorsed usury for no good reason; among other things.
Whether the Pope likes it or not, whether most Christian religious leaders like it or not, the facts speak for themselves.
Thank you Dr. Sunic for translating this interesting article.
Extra non European organs of power and domination need to be extirpated from Europe to instaurate a free Europe. Nato,USA,EU,NGO’s these entities, spearhead of the subjugation an ensalvement of Europe need to be done away from the soil of Europe. Christianity in its present constituent form is a shadow of its past. Today we have a degenerated de-viscerated christianity which is like a soul eating maggot of the European/racial essence of her peoples. European culture has been usurped by the thirld world, afro-asian subcultures that have been imposed on her. They are melting the European race in a huge multiracial cassoulet of disparate races haflway between men and ape. Alain Benoist is a writer, his ideas , his propositions ,his postulates are anodyne past times in decadent times. He writes well, speaks well but says nothing about the vindication of Europe. He warbles through avenues and forests of ambivalent and contradictory Benoist-made concepts. His views and doctrinaire philosophical twaddle can not save the races of Europe. Whatever he says , it is gist in the mills of the multiracialist blenders of the European peoples. Europe , unless a discretionary reaction is activated based on the origins which once made Europe what it was, is bound to dissolve , unable to stem the ovewhelming invasion from extra European peoples and forces looming in the not distant horizon. The European government of ocupation is represented by the very un-European EU. The EU, a decomposing carcass of corrupt misfits and treacherous miscreants as principal agents of the occupation forces, is the main vehicle for the erosion, deracination, and obliteration of the European peoples. A race, a nation, can not survive, nor thrive , when its vital living space is constantly being invaded by overwhelming number of alien races.
There is a great book by a marxist, E.P. Thompson, called The Poverty of Theory, which addressed the, well, poverty of left-wing theory around the time of “Western Marxism” which was an intellectual movement that broke with Stalinism and Leninism…the 50s and 60s.
I am not saying that our theory is impoverished in general. Our theory is not just one theory; it is several.
Our theory is fundamentally socio-biological and scientific, or it is a lot of hot-air. I tend to the materialistic side of things, having been sorta exhausted by all the hot-air over the course of a lifetime.
When Whites have had enough, they will look for other views, if they have not already taken the law into their own hands, as we used to say. vigilanteeism is a real prospect, like in Katrina. Whites got guns, and can organize themselves into teams. Joe
“The “West” should be forgotten”
I agree completely.
It is a fact that the term “West” today has a negative connotation.
Whether we like it or not, the vast majority of the world’s population (including many Europeans) associate the term “West” with multiculturalism, decadence, American wars in the Middle East, global promotion of “democracy”, etc.
Alaric
That’s the point I was trying to make in my post. I have 0 patience for post-modern academic jibberish.
Noam Chomsky alert!!!!!!
Someone here had an email exchange with Noam Chomsky a few weeks ago. I think your email exchange may have sent the Old Hebe apoplectic. The Old Hebe had a hysterical post on Counterpunch on Friday….I mean real over the top stuff about the slightest kind of immigration being the moral equvalent of Nazi hypernationalism. God how I hate this old Jew. He made a long hysterical rant about the growth of right wing poltical parities in Europe. He even called Bill Clinton an extremist for the “crime” of implemeting some very basic border control at the US Mexican border. The old Hebe Chomsky openly expressed his race-replacement enthusiasm. So now we have him on record. Next time someone here has an email exchange with Noam Chomsky ask him the following question:Why should the Native Born White Chrtistian Majority be in favor of being race-replaced aross Ameriaca with high feritility post-1965 nonwhites..who will eventually be armed to the teeth….Why are you shocked that they are resisting race-relpacement…and isn’t it obvious to you that erasing the borders of America will ignite Native Born White American racial conciousness over night?
Kevin Mcdonald go over to Counterpunch and have a look at Chomky’s commentary on Friday..make a post here about it.
Noam Chomsky=hardcore Jewish ethnic warfare against the Native Born White American Christian Majority.
Paul Craig Roberts
Are you a race-replacement enthusiast these days?
Christ and Christianity in the socalled Holy Land nowadays.
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/mocking-jesus-on-israeli-tv-צליבת-ישו-the-crucifixion-of-yeshu/
Yes, the trolls are out of control. Bring back the ol’ thumbs up, thumbs down. This idea of ‘fairness’ that has helped destroy the West makes the board a pain to traverse sometimes.
Thank You again Tom Sunic for bringing us another Alain DeBenoist essay. We all have more than good reason to be pessimistic about any sort of renewal or renaissance of western culture but DeBenoist gives us a slight hope that we don’t necessarily face a sure fire fall into a dark age. Miracles do happen and perhaps Spengler is wrong about the intrinsic principles of history which keep us in the perpetual cycle of organic culture (city states of Greece or maybe the original colonies of America) which turn into mechanical civilization (imperialist Rome or the British Empire) which eventually fall and implode due to the unrealistic expansion and hegemony. Perhaps also Vico was not correct about the cycle of civilization and the barbarianism to which eventually returns.
I would like to imagine that Mr. DeBenoist optimism is grounded in solid possibility that modernity could suddenly catch its balance with some new premise of historical understanding. I mean we don’t have much choice but to support such optimism at this point and work together in some last ditch effort . We should examine the strengths and weaknesses of some of DeBenoist’s talking points.
1. Modernity somehow encompasses the notions of humans becoming masters of the universal. This maybe could be contrasted or enhanced by Hans Blumenberg’s notion that modernity is encompassed in the idea of human self assertion. Modernity means that we become masters of ourselves.
So modernity is encompassed in the notion that we either become masters of the universal or masters of our self assertion or both.
2. So there may be a question whether modernity has even ever started let alone if it has been completed . The second question of the completion of modernity would put into question whether such French thinkers such as Derrida, Foucault and Lyotard could be called “Postmodern” .
This puts into question if we just have not gone through some inauthentic rendition of modernity for the past four hundred years. So is DeBenoist correct in his suggestion of the need of a beginning to make a new culture.
We shouldn’t overlook the possibility that the original beginning was correct but somehow the direction it was to take was manipulated and took a wrong turn early on for some reason. It is not hard to imagine a manipulation of the direction of the historical being of modernity by let us say ruling autocrats. It is not only quite possible but probable that real authentic Dasein of modernity successfully delivered and executed by the larger population may have have posed a real threat to these autocrats. An authentic Modernity necessarily would imply a dethroning of the powers that be.
So it could be matter of the proper direction as DeBenoist says at the beginning of his essay rather then the need for a new beginning of culture which he suggest in the essays closing paragraph. A real authentic modernity could be accomplished by going back to its original beginnings.
I believe that Hans Blumenberg makes a convincing argument that this authentic beginning of modernity is in the Nicholas Cusa- Giordano Bruno axis. Other alternative philosophies for modernities direction were chosen for some reason over Cusa’s, who was largely ignored except by Bruno (Cassier). The direction of the modern movement that Bruno was proposing was obviously derailed by his being burned at the stake in Rome. The surviving historical record provides no reason why Bruno was burned at the stake, but nobody after him was likely to follow the same direction as Bruno.
So to examine how the modern human undertaking was hijacked to become a distorted rendition of modernism would also involve many of the topics covered in The Occidental observer. The eroding away of all connections of identity , from which the self is asserted , such as the family , our European , Christian , white identity would neccesarily have to be destroyed in order to sabotage the modern undertaking. It could be the the modern program left to develop under its own intrinsic principles would have been a much bigger success than it has actually turned out to be. A ruling autocracy could have found it necessary protect their own powers of self-assertion and remain the lone masters of the universe instead of letting all the little people into the club. Instead of allowing for a successful modern undertaking that included all humans , a universality that could be accomplished through an authentic Christianity and traditional western nodal points of identity , it would behoove the powers that be to provide mechanisms of culture to undermine modernity .
If modernism is self-assertion rather than group assertion then ideas such as Democracy are anti-modern. For some reason this group being has been favored by the powers that be over the individual being as put forth by Heidegger. Being or Dasein implies Time (Being and Time) which implies care and love. If we listen to the tradition implied by Spengler time also implies direction which would imply being.
So we get back to a theory of direction as an essential intrinsic principle of historical being. This historical being would necessarily involve a Gestalt as well as an aesthetic.
Question -What is a better modern ideology Christianity or Judaism?
Answer -Judaism is better ideology for the powers that be purpose of the inauthentic derailing of modernity. To keep the powers of self-assertion and universal mastery for themselves and deny it to others. Christianity is a better ideology for an authentic -universal modernity.
For some reason,the way modernity has been steered by the powers that be would indicate that they wish for the eventual “fall” of Western civilization becomes a group experience instead of an individual existential experience. And here we can see why a Jewish Talmudic ideology is much more adaptive for the powers that be to derail an authentic modernity.
In contrast, the experience of Christ deals with his fall and confrontation with Satan by going out into the desert by himself where he can meet Satan by himself and dismiss Satan by identifying who he is and dismissing him. This is how Self-assertion and mastering the universal and an authentic modernity is experienced. And again, dasein implies care which implies love which implies time.
On the other hand we have the moral confrontation for talmudic Judaism . Everything is about the tribe. There is no universal feelings, it is the Jews against the rest of the world. Christianity is marked by the single person Jesus Christ being crucified as an individual. A personal god is necessary for an authentic modernity.
On the other hand all of 6 million Jews need to be crucified in a Holocaust to make it work. That is perhaps one of the reasons why the myth of the Holocaust is so important to the whole undermining of modernity. It empathizes group-assertion and the experience of the Fall as a group. This group morality, group morality , could be argued is the underpinning of a inauthentic modernism . The Christian Self -assertion individual existential experience as explained by Kirkegaard it could be argued leads to an authentic modernity.
A Beginning carries and delivers its End. That is one argument of
DeBenoist. There is a nice apparent logic is this formulation, which has been around for a long time. “Mastering the Universal” in the context of Modernism is the project that DeBenoist.
This is Philosophy. It is not socio-biology. The only universal is socio-biology is the science of animal behavior, including us folks. Socio-biology can explain philosophy. Philosophy is derivative. When I hear the word “Philosophy” I take out my Waiting for Godot. Think slave! That was one useful piece of Modernity. The rest of it is Humpty-Dumptiish gibberish, as someone noted above.
The Owl of Minerva takes its flight in the gathering Dusk. That is a pretty good summation, an attempt to armchair philosophize what has happened.
The attempt to rescue “Universality” thru thinking untethered to socio-biology is a waste of time, and denotes a certain kind of narcissism, that “I” am going to figure it out. “I” am the great Theorist. Right.
Socio-biiology has pretty much figured it out and what is left to figure out is not strategy, but tactics (I am ashamed to use this much abused bit).
KM and other socio-biologists have located the White racial tendency to promiscuous altruism in our evolutionary history over the last tens of thousands of years in a cold Europe in which we did not compete for land or resources, and learned to cooperate with other white groups. Trust was thus encoded. Those who refused to trust were selected out. Today, that Trust is suicidal in the multi-racial context that we are now in. It is that simple.
There is not enough time for us to overcome our genetically based Trust of Others. We will have to manfully struggle with our inner-dispositions to Trust Other races and see what is in front of us. It may take some substantial bloodletting for most Whites to awaken. Philosophy is largely a waste of time, except to help see how we got into this mess.
Philosophy has been liberal for a long time, say 200 years plus. Now we can see it. Modernism is a trap, Universals are a trap, philosophizing withoutt
socio-biology is a trap. Europeans need to philosophize and Americans are pragmatic. Americans will pick up their weapons first. Joe
Mr. Webb:
Speaking of Beckett, sitting back and expecting Philosophy to come along and pull our chestnuts out of the fire would be like ordering from Godot’s Pizza and setting the table. IOW, better get comfortable, this could take a while…
On the other hand, what would be pragmatic would be if we could emulate our competition’s successful alchemy-like talent for magically transforming their drab-grey narrow ethnic self-interests into shiny, new, irresistable universal moral imperatives.
The blood-and-guts realistic view of our zombie apocalypse future that we see rapidly approaching like a tsunami, like the current excellent video on the front page, may stir the hearts and minds of many of us here, but unfortunately remains simply unpalatable to the majority of our somnambulating brethren. Perhaps if we offered “Fries with that?” or put lipstick on it somehow…
As Odin is my witness, I swear most Whites would rather endure whatever unmerciful fates await them sometime in the future than ponder them for a moment in the present.
correction, first paragraph: “…that DeBenoist..proposes.” Mastering the universal….is this a joke? This way to the Absolute!
“The sentimental flaw”, Madison Grant’s attribution of a genetic Achille’s heel to Northern Europeans, is more powerful than the acres of print of the European philosophers of White decline.
The essential is that the Jews saw the flawed heel and have loosed their arrows. Arguably, philosophy is the problem, not the answer. We think!
Man thinks, God laughs. (MIlan Kundera…the Czech (?) noverlist. I also like Cormac McCarthy’s (American novelist) To God we are all heretics.
Heresy is thought which travels in a straight line, like evil, per the Chinese. Coming to our senses is more like the spiraling upward of Yeats. Our genes lead us, information leads us, but pure thought is narcissistic. Joe
Thanks Joe Webb for your comments in this thread. They made my thinking clearer. Philosophy soaked in universals, uninformed by evolutionary psychology and unguided by the value of ethnic genetic interests is just more of what ails us.
And thank you, Daybreaker, for distilling the essence of Joe’s admirable contribution:
Excellent stuff! I suspect we could, as a genetically common group, get a great deal of mileage out of that neat summary.
Let’s do it!
I don’t think there is any worry of philosophy or pursuit of the truth gaining any footing in the immediate future Joe Webb. Thought in the interment camps where many of you will be housed will revolve around the immediacy of the situation. Most if not all will probably be reduced to living like animals without a care for universals or the future of modernity. I am sure you will get your wish of human existence being guided by the principles of social biology . Your fellow interment camp inmates will have no use for thoughts of Heidegger or Kierkegaard and authentic being and time. Thoughts will revolve around the survival of the fittest and whether you will starve tomorrow and how you are going to keep warm. I am sure thoughts of most will not likely be concerned with anything more than a week into the future. Yes Joe, social biology is the wave of the future.
invective pure and simple. Internment camps are not in our future. LIberalism uses seduction, not compulsion. Your excessive concern with philosophy removes you from political science. Getting a good grip on political reality, as opposed to esotericsm, is far more important than parsing out the “thought” of Heidegger or the various European, mostly French, “intellectuals.”
Hi Tom, your screed betrays your ignorance of the socio-biology of Whites. Our Altruism will tend to ameliorate any race to the bottom of mere survival. In other words we are not Africans. You also say, “you” , not “we” which I can only assume means that you do not feel like you belong to the White race, or at least, White Nationalists. If we do wind up interned and not interred, Whites will behave honorably. It will not be the survival of the individually fittest, it will be the survival of the group. For example, I am old, and the old will volunteer to die before the young. You must not have children…or you would realize this. Socio-biology for Whites is different than socio-biiology for blacks, jews, etc. That is the whole point of our genetic arguments, and especially the White trait of pronounced altruism. But then a vulgar idea of socio-biology is that it is just “survival of the fittest” meaning a kind of Hobbesian war of all against all. That is not how groups which have social bonds and genetic similarity behave. We would not be here today if our forebearers behaved like that. I have to resist becoming a bit sarcastic, but since your remarks are sarcastic, I have to say, you do not know what you are talking about with regard to socio-biology. Too much thinking untethered to the realities of human behaviors.
Also thank you DeBenoist for referencing a Rene Guenon, a new discovery for me. Questions of the possible origins of Christianity in ancient Indian culture seem very important . I guess perhaps Schopenhauer’s pessimistic philosophy by his own admission is a uniting of Christianity and the ancient Vedic hymns and the Bhagavad Gita. Perhaps there is this Eastern source from India which became Christianity. I often thought that Christianity arrived to the West through the Greek cynics who were influenced by Indian Yogis brought back to Greece by Alexander the Great. What is Christianity anyway but cynicism with the addition of heaven?
@ tom fallon …
Have you read this, connecting Krishna with Christ?
http://www.truthbeknown.com/sunsofgod.htm
Regards,
Angelsachse
Guenon pretty much nails it on the head in the following. You are not likely going to get much more than this about human being out of Heidegger.
Guenon- The human state of being[47]
The “gross state” in fact is nothing else than the corporeal existence itself, to which [...] human individuality belongs by one of its modalities only, and not in its integral development. As to the “subtle state”, it includes, in the first place, the extra-corporeal modalities of the human being, or of every other being situated in the same state of existence, and also, in the second place, all other individual states [...] It may be said, therefore, that the human being, considered in its integrality, comprises a certain sum of possibilities which constitute its corporeal or gross modality, and in addition, a multitude of other possibilities, which, extending in different directions beyond the corporeal modality, constitute its subtle modalities; but all these possibilities together represent, nonetheless, one and the same degree of universal Existence. It follows from this that human individuality is at once much more and much less than Westerners generally suppose it to be: much more, because they recognize in it scarcely anything except the corporeal modality, which includes but the smallest fraction of its possibilities; much less, however, because this individuality, far from really constituting the whole being, is but one state of that being among an indefinite multitude of other states. Moreover the sum of all these states is still nothing at all in relation to the personality, which alone is the true being, because it alone represents its permanent and unconditioned state, and because there is nothing else which can be considered as absolutely real.
HI Tom, so that I am not misunderstood, there is a small place for this kind of “thinking”, but it is largely irrelevant to our problems. Being is biological.
When Heidegger encountered TZ Suzuki’s writings on Zen and so on, he remarked that this stuff was what he was interested in. Zen is much easier to understand than Heidegger. Our Michael Omeara and others deploy the term “bio-culture” which to me is a great term, thus incorporating the socio-biological and the results of biology ….culture. Culture is rooted in the genes. It is the accumulated Wisdom of countless generations. It is also the expression of the extreme barbarism of the blacks and browns and jews, and so on. White bio-culture has been overwhelmed by the blacks, browns, and espec the jews. JewTV is the Great Satan today, the anti-Christ, the Talmud and the African jungle.
The philosophy you are referencing has next to nothing to do with our problems. Plain english, more or less purged of Latin derived words, is a great language.
By the way, there is no such thing as “universal Existence.” Darwin found that one finch (Galapagos) evolved into a dozen or so races of finches. Evolution devolves universals into particulars. Out of One, many.
Particulars, not Universals, is the biological reality.
Even amongst Whites there are significant differences, and we have to work hard to overcome our biology driven (genetic similarity) impulses to perceive a “universal” consanguinity to Whites in order to fight the rising tide of color. Joe
“tendency to promiscuous altruism”
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Tonight (Easter Sunday), CBS showed a documentary on the monks of Mt. Athos. Surprisingly, it was educational and somewhat reverential. Perhaps like the type of television that would have been shown 40 years ago? (Or maybe I’m fantasizing). Part of the reason for the tone may be that 60 minutes is the first film crew ever given permission to film a documentary there. Another might be that 60 Minutes was forced to send a Greek to cover the story.
This brings me to my point. I’ve tried to emphasize the power of controlling owns own narrative, and the monks know better than to let just anyone be their interlocutor. For people who live in the past, they are very savvy to the distortions of the present. (though one of the abbots got burned in a Vanity Fair interview a few months ago–but even he managed to evoke some sympathy in the heart of his inquisitor. It is important that we always know WHO is transmitting our message.
Of course, CBS might also know that at this point their work is done. Just read the comments in the thread:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/21/60minutes/main20056101.shtml?tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel
Now I know that some of you don’t like Christianity, but look at HOW most of the attacks are phrased. They are all attacking the white man for daring to express his spirituality! Some of them explicitly refer to the non-whites of the earth being more spiritual than the monks. Others praise Mt. Kilimanjaro. They would like nothing better than to see our traditions extinguished completely. Something for some of you to think about.
thinking more about Darwin’s finches that he studied in the Galapagos Islands, I would even suggest that philosophy be more or less abolished, as a swamp of egoism, narcissism, and Jewish Domination if you take into consideration the jewish writers involved in Deconstructionism. It is all garbage; it is relativism; it is an attack on Western Civilization; it is so Jew-soaked. Derrida humpty-dumpties the Modernist attempts…and scurries back to his Jewish Identity. Jews can have their jew identity, but whites are denied an ethnic identity. Modernism at least attempted to get rational. Post Modernism attacks Rationality. At is most vulgar, it , like vulgar marxism, reduces matters to the basest of motivations, money, sex , and power. Money for the marxists, sex for the Freudians, and power for the worst of the jews…Foucault…the homosexual sex-fiend.
Now, if we abolish all this non-sense, and get completely socio-biological, almost all things fall into place. There can be disagreements, but those can be worked out over time with more data. I hear folks objecting that this is mere materialism and biologism, and the rest of it. Yes, it is, but there is a biological basis for various capacities, including what most folks call spirituality.
Just think of the political possibilities opening up to us if folks were to get more socio-biological…no more liberalism, just a sober approach to social and political life.
Another word on univesalisms and Evolution: I would almost claim a kind of epiphany with regard to my recognition that Darwinsim absolutely rejects universals. There are no universals worthy of the name in Evolution. About the only commonalities are obvious and trivial…most animals breathe, produce sexually, and die. Big deal.
Evolution leads to greater and greater difference, not because of any metaphysics but because of a multiplicity of environments which come and go. Darwin’s finches adapted to the various islands and their food sources in the Galapagos. Human beings have adapted to their environments. Richard Fuerle in his Erectus Walks Among Us ( a great read) remarks that big brains is a lousy environment like Africa, are a deficit. Big brains require more calories and if there is nothing to apply that brain-power to, and you are the unlucky possessor of that large brain, evolution will select against you and for the dumber one who has all the brain-power he needs and does not waste calories on useless brain. I like to point out to folks, that it probably only takes about an IQ of about 50 to learn how to tie one’s shoelaces. An IQ of 150 is no better at at than the 50 IQ. This goes for various tasks, including social intelligence. That is why most of get thru our day with no problems. It is adequate IQ.
So, socio-biology has no need for philosophy of the sort the 20th century ejaculated…liberal, communist, libertarian, and a lot of economic theory which is Jewish, from Samuelson to Friedman, from von Mises to the current crop of jews running our economy. ( I just read an essay on this from Wilmot Robertson, in his second issue (I think) of Instauration…it is now on line. His The Dispossessed Majority is a classic that all WNists should have read.) Of course, what used to be called “moral philosophy” and which informed goys like Adam Smith, is still very useful. In this respect, Christianity is useful, etc.
So, Nature refuses Universals, Philosophers look for the Philosopher’s Stone, the Absolute, the Universal, the Glass Bead Game…forget it.
Read your Nietzsche for kicks, and so on, but when you are ready to join the White Race and defend it, the particularities amongst races, and amongst people is where it’s at, to coin a phrase. Personality is the great anti-egalitarian idea. This is an idea that is solid. It is genetic, It is real, you can feel it, touch it, see it. Which reminds me of something I read in Herder, about the only thing I remember…he said that physics and science one can never really Know, no matter how much you understand electrons and the laws of thermo-dynamics and so on. Herder said the only thing you can really know is human beings…more or less because you are a human being.
That helps explain my fascination with people and my alien relationship with gravity, etc.
Joe
I wonder where PdeC is, I hope he is healthy and well. His comments are very seldom these days.
He posted recently in the Mahler thread. I’m sure you’re missed, too.
HLAYK: Alive, yes; well, no. I soldier on.
Ave, amice Athanasi. I suppose I’m glad that someone (especially someone with a head on his shoulders, comme vous) has read my endless Mahler posts and, like Ishmael, lives to tell the tale. I fear I rather ran off at the mouth.
Incidentally, I posted a comment to you on the “Happy Easter” thread and got roundly insulted for doing so. Rather like Rasputin after the third or fourth failed assassination attempt, I am starting to feel unwanted.
I saw–and I’m taking your advice and taking a bit of a (necessary) hiatus. I’ll respond more fully when I return. Needless to say, I know your words were well-meaning and not an affront.
Do what needs doing to stay atop things. You have a future, after all; mine is well behind me and wasn’t much to look at at the best of times.
Besides, if I don’t have to read your posts, maybe I can find time to read a book or do the laundry.
HLAYK: My brief comment above omitted the most important words: thank you for asking after me.
Like most other people here, I learn from this site much more than I contribute, yet I sincerely hope that I contribute something, even if it’s only the occasional laugh.
Joe,
Isn’t DNA considered a universal code of life? I really have to disagree with your arguments here -it really seems nature abounds in universals.
Interesting debate but isn’t the subject matter in this thread suppose to be about human cultures, civilizations, the form of the soul, what is this great civilization called the West is and whether it is about to take a swan dive into oblivion?
I, for one, would like to see from Alain de Benoist some more explanation about how he envisions these new cultures that can immediately follow one that fails. I want to see how he thinks it can be done and then try to assist these efforts in whatever way I can.
One more thing . French Culture has consistently produced great science, philosophy and intellectual achievements. They were the ones there for America when we wanted to separate from the British empire. They gave us the statue of liberty. The deconstructionist movement and Jacques Derrida, and his deconstruction of the text has moved and raised the bar towards an authentic modern philosophy. It is not his fault he was born Jewish.
Tom, the question here is do any of these putative “universals” amount to anything worth discussing. There is apparently a “universal” in homo sapien sapien, that we all have about 25,000 genes. We all have the same genes, but that is trivial. What is important is how they are coded…the alleles, which in my limited understanding are chock full of particularities. No universals here worth mentioning. How intelligence, temperment, and god knows how many variables, including insult and injury to our selves thru violence, sickness, malnutrition, and extreme psychological abuse, propaganda, etc….ultimately determine our paraticular personality… is a mystery. However, we now know that it is not in the stars, in “social construction”, or obscure Fate. It is in the alleles, and the chances of “culture.”
It is also clear to me that age brings along the clearing-out of false ideas and false views of who one is personally. The more we age, the more our true self emerges. This is our genes trumping all the dross. Of course, the lies of our age have most of us enthralled, but especially Whites are easily enthralled because of our “sentimental flaw” (Wilmot Robertson). I was enthralled for years because of my family script and my northern White trait of “sentiment”, and various phenomena like the Vietnam War, Civil Rights Movement, and so on. I was even a pacifist for awhile.
I am a bit embarrased to admit it, but not ashamed of it. That is who we are in some notable degree.
So there are large psychological, etc. complexes that one could call a “universal”, like our sentimental flaw, but this is not philosophy, it is socio-biological psychology….all based empirically, not in “ideas.”
Your remarks about Derrida and Deconstructionism….I heard him speak once at Stanford a few years ago to a crowd of ooing and ahhing groupies. I could not believe the nonsense he peddled. Deconstructionism is a Jewish assault on rationality, and the West. It is that simple. There is rationality. There is coherence, there is Theory that accounts for everything right now, not some wandering into the desert for 40 years for Truth to be revealed, not some “new” culture that will miraculously appear because of dialectics, cunning of history, or the Jews who hate the West and have deconstructed the myths of the West. Derrida earned my particular scorn because he stated somewhere that all he had was his Jewish Identity.
Aside from my contempt for Jewish Identity which is basically based on what they are against…all of us goyim, Derrida & Co. have deceived Whites into nihilism, while he and his jew cohort have a great time at seder.
They sneer at us. Of course, the Answer that Derrida cannot admit is the socio-biological answer…stay with your tribe. If you want a great read about these assassins, read Windshuttle, The Killing of History which is a number of essays that deconstruct the lies of the deconstructors.
We have History, we have socio-biology. We as Whites, have our most evolved genome. All we need to do is pick up our weapons…brains, organization, and loyalty, and courage. The Jews, all of them, are Jews, no exceptions. Socio-biology explains their behavior: Deconstructionism is good for the Jews and bad for Whites.
“I could not believe the nonsense he peddled. Deconstructionism is a Jewish assault on rationality, and the West. It is that simple.”
At last! Mr. Webb, if I were your dad, I’m sure I’d now be writing, “All is forgiven. The check’s in the mail. Write when you get work.”
As a lifelong Francophile (the culture, language, and history more than the people), I can but struggle for breath upon reading words, written by someone who in good faith describes himself as an admirer of things French, that offer Derrida as an advertisement for that nation. Thank you for addressing this nonsense as forthrightly as you do.
well thanks..Pierre, Let me state that I have spent at least a month plus in a couple trips in France. The people were always gracious, never scowled at my American attempts at a few phrases…like one Brit did when I asked her for directions in proto-French…she said, What language are you speaking? in a sharp Brit accent. That experience I may forget, but not the one wherein I turned down a French beauty out of some Whiteman sense of duty to someone I had recently met at home which turned out to be a fool’s errand anyway.
Whatever romance the French may have with their “intellectuals”, they probably just enjoy the show like we watch Hollywood idiocies, for the hell of it, and return to our friends and families with a bemused but unconvinced atitude. Of course, maybe I am wrong.
It appears that the French do take seriously the racial lies of our time, but, tell me, is this true? Do the French actually love the Africans and the Muslims and call them Frenchmen? And what is Jean Raspail doing these days?
Finally, in a tour all ’round France by car…spectacular beauty in a nutshell, more or less, and never an untoward incident, except when I went over the Pyrenees to see Barcelona and Gaudi (sp?). several negative incidents in two days..got the hell out asap.
Viva la France! Joe. you can send the check anyway.
PS, while I was still a bit left, I tried to read the Althusserian and structuralist stuff, and could not understand it. I knew it was junk, but did not know why. Later I realized it was the Jew again.
In truth only the big-city French, Parisians preeminently, are impossibly rude. The rest can be quite wonderful, and they are for the most part intellectually and culturally very sophisticated, much more so than Hollywood’s waste matter might give one to expect. I think—though admittedly without much hard data to support my view, since my contact with living, breathing humans is now at a minimal level—that a far larger percentage of the exurban French population than of the American or British populations is consciously angry and frustrated over having their country and heritage stolen from them. Their governmental system, as I am sure you know, is in its formal structure even worse than ours (i.e., more centralized, less responsive to popular pressure, no matter how large the raw numbers or how wide the statistical delta). In practice, however, the extent to which the government here is more a genuine creature of the governed is so minuscule that it could comfortably do the limbo under the belly of an ant.
Incidentally, I mention governmental and political matters solely because your many articles seem to have as one supposition that “the system,” for want of a better term, is still affectable or influenceable through the conventional political modes. I mean no disrespect when I say that I firmly believe that you are kidding yourself in this regard and that it is impossible to see the true nature of the crisis, a crisis rooted in and directed by Jewish rule, until one comes to see that the one and only end of the managerial-democracy structure in place in virtually every Western nation is to impart to the ruled no more than the illusion that their voice and vote count, the reality being quite otherwise.
Of course, therein lies the significance of what Joe Sobran said about Ron Paul—that Paul was not the most honest politician he had ever known, simply the only honest one. Put otherwise, Paul’s interest to us—or rather, to me, a white Traditional Catholic American—is in his evident distaste for compelling others to live their life in a way of his choosing. It is this—not any practical political or economic positions he may hold—that makes him unique at the present time; and in his being unique, he is also at once very dangerous to the Bad Guys and very, very irrelevant to them—and to us, too. That is to say, what good can one honest politician do our cause, or what harm can he do their massive conspiracy? Needless to say, I hope, these are two forms of the same question, and the answer to both, sadly, is also the same.
In short (a word that ill accords with my style!), if there is a solution to the present predicament, whatever it is will not be the product of politics, nor will it be effected through political mean, certainly not through existing means.
Since I was already in my fifties before the scales began to fall from my eyes, I am slow to blame others for failing to have a similar Damascus-road experience. Yet like the guy who was actually knocked off his high horse on that road some nineteen hundred eighty years ago, I go into the temple every now and again and shoot my mouth off in the hope that something will register before the stones start to fly. If only I had his astonishing intestinal fortitude!
So because “the West” as a term has been abused and “the West” is under the control of its enemies and in terminal decline, let’s not worry about “the West” but make up some other name for some other new culture that doesn’t exist yet but which will GET HERE REAL SOON and be much better.
I like Alain de Benoist and the European New Right, but sometimes he reminds me that the Nazis had darned good reasons to be suspicious of egghead intellectuals.
It’s no secret that Christianity loves nothing more than a large population of impoverished “simple folk”. The less literate, the better. Without the uneducated hordes of invading barbarians and near-eastern peoples, Christianity would never have been able to lay its Semitic cuckoo’s egg in Rome. Today when we look around the globe, we notice (and it’s no accident) that a high standard of living seems to always coincide with declining Christianity. Scandinavian and Western European countries are not crazy-for-Jehovah like Americans unfortunately insist on being.
If your main goal is to spread the Good Word, you should go today to the place where it is spreading the quickest: Africa. It’s spreading like chicken pox over there. All the necessary ingredients are present – Illiteracy: check. Proclivity for believing superstitious mumbo-jumbo: check. Poverty: check. Corrupt political infrastructure: check. Cult-like need to worship a charismatic leader: check. A culture that places little value on science and reason: check.
If Saul of Tarsus (Paul) were here today, he’d go where the gettin’ was good. Africa is the perfect petri dish for the fungus of Judeo-Christ-insanity to flourish. And as far as Islam is concerned, it’s simply another inbred child of Abraham. Just another rotten branch on a rotten tree.
Interesting. Perhaps we can also detect the traits common to post-Christian, White societies such as North-Western Europe and bi-costal America. Feminism: check. Self-hatred leading to self-genocide: check. Low birthrate: check. Large percentage of men who can’t get laid: check.
You guys really shot from the hip.
Joe Webb
1.you still haven’t answered how DNA is not a universal code for life.
2. If you insist on bringing biology into the mix of this discussion of modernism please use a theorist like Lamarck. At least we can talk about an immanent individual will having some determination. Darwin was a shill. His mechanical theory of biology is hardly a talking point.
Darwinism – The forbidden subject by Richard Milton
http://www.world-mysteries.com/rmilton_darwin1.htm
3. Your comments about Derrida seem to come from ignorance. I think what you mean to say is that you don’t understand what Derrida is saying. Admittedly he is very hard to understand, but within the context of the subject of this essay , finding universal cultural origins and somehow rearranging for a new cultural beginning, his method is pretty much indispensable.
For Pierre de Craon
1 Pierre, are you really qualified to critique French Intellectualism. If Derrida is not a representative in your book, how about Paul Ricoeur? It seems to me that Derrida, Ricour and now new for me, Rene Guenon (mentioned in this essay as a reference) are all kind of talking about the same thing- how we can interpret or the hermeneutics of symbols, metaphors , the imagination and the text to somehow further and advance modernism.
can you explain your position or are you just shooting from the hip here.
I agree with Pierre concerning Frenchmen. Only when I was in Paris did I get the stereotypical rude Frenchman. In the countryside, they were quite pleasant. Popular distrust of the French is probably due to jewish PR. I hope the French resist popular American culture, since it sucks these days.
Mr. Fallon: You ask whether I am “really qualified to critique French Intellectualism.” No, not by your lights, whatever their precise wattage and fossil-free source of illumination. (Those of the grad student, perhaps? Just asking.) The last time I read any of this stuff was at least thirty years ago, and Guénon isn’t even a name to me—or wasn’t till an hour ago (I am sure I shall not raise myself in your esteem by saying that Gurdjieff and Mme Blavatsky, with whom the arbiters of Internet truth associate Guénon, are topics I assigned to the been-there-done-that column sometime before 1975). By the time I encountered Derrida, Man, Foucault, and Ricoeur, I had read—sometimes but by no means always in extensu—Sartre, Marcel, Merleau-Ponty, Heidegger, and Husserl, and I knew enough to know that the best of the former group were mere epigones of their betters and the worst were preeminently liars, sexual deviants, and Christophobes. So write me off.
Nearly fifty years ago, when I was in college—where I took about 25 credits of philosophy as first a math then an English major—a prominent member of the philosophy faculty controversially described the goal of the program as enabling the student to learn a few terms. This goal, which was arrogance masquerading as modesty, has since advanced (regressed?) from disputatiousness to dogma and has been reified in virtually every philosophy faculty and program in the Western world—if, that is, pace M. Benoist, the term Western may still be used in a nonrisible sense. Though there are many days (notably those I spend on Catholic semi-, pseudo-, and the odd genuine Traditionalist sites) where I succumb to a longing for the moderators and commenters to learn a few damn terms (especially when they are trying to pound a square peg [Benedict XVI] into a round hole [authentic Catholic teaching and belief]), I mostly remember that the primary mission of most soi-disant philosophies of the past two or three centuries is, not the search for or pursuit of truth and the clarification of the means and workings of the mechanism of pursuit (i.e., the mind and mental categories) in conscious continuity with the genuine intellectual, moral, and religious principles of the Greco-Roman pagan and then Christian West, but rather a Gramscian revolution within the form or a Leo Straussian crypsis that pretends to uphold the very principles it works at undermining. That is to say, “learning a few terms” amounts to joining a (Judaeo-Masonic) club. Like the noted Semitic philosopher Groucho Marx, I want nothing to do with any club that would have me as a member. You, on the other hand, seem to have signed on. For your sake, I hope you have a key to the one clean washroom and a seat at the bar that serves something other than Algerian plonk.
Of course, what you call French intellectualism and what I would call it aren’t necessarily related. In truth, intellectualism is a term I would simply never use, primarily because it is ipso facto emblematic of an attitude toward thought, culture, and religion that I consider not merely false but inherently and consciously falsifying. For what it’s worth, I consider Joseph de Maistre the last French thinker of the very first rank, and by certain standards he wasn’t even French! Few before and none since Tocqueville,* of course, have seen politics, society, and individual and societal character so clearly, but he was a genuinely modest thinker, not a deconstructionist liar, and, alas, history has repaid his modesty by pretending he’s not worth reading. (You would know far better than I, Mr. Fallon, whether Derrida and his mob consider him even worth sneering at.) Whatever deep-seated interest or passion that I once had, or rather retain, concerning more recent French “intellection,” of the written sort at least, is now confined to the generations of poets, playwrights, and (to a lesser extent) fiction writers (text makers, your crowd might call them, I guess) born between 1860 and 1920. Since they made of the first sixty or so years of the twentieth century a second French âge d’or (or at least argent), I shall clutch them to my breast as I totter, undeconstructedly and otherwise worthlessly, toward my grave.
In conclusion, Mr. Fallon, I commend you and the combative element within you to Joe Webb. I may disagree with him on some matters large and small, but he is a pleasure to watch in an argument (whether of the polite or the sharp-elbowed kind), and no one’s ever said that of me. He’s good at arguing; I’m not. He also seems to relish it, and it’s pretty clear, I think, that I don’t. I must needs live with what that tells you of me.
*If I may be allowed a footnote, I think it’s worth adding that when I began looking at Professor MacDonald’s stuff, Tocqueville was, if memory serves, the first person I thought of. That is, the former struck me as observing the present and the past with the same remarkably dispassionate clarté as the latter. I have no idea whether this linkage would please Professor M., but I hope it would.
Pierre, you are correct to criticize my view of practical politics, so let me try to clarify this. The present political parties are hopeless. Agreed. However, mostly to pour cold water on any romances of military insurrection, I write that the political parties are going to have to adjust to the coming reality of extreme polarization and civil breakdown. That will be the opening, or, we go into civil war. So, agreed, the political parties are hopeless, right now.
Tom: DNA is a universal if you want to stretch the meaning of a word. However, it is, by itself, without assistance to us, except to change the discourse from hermeneutics (egoistic positing of yet another system) and other ultra-abstractions, to socio-biology. The particularities of the alleles is what is important, not the generalities of the genes.
Again, we are back to “culture”. Cultural origins are in the DNA and nothing else. As Marx, said, man makes his own history, but not just as he pleases. If you replace “history” with “culture” , man cannot will a new culture into being just as he pleases. The whole idea of a hermeneutic is absurd. Of course, various madmen who are usually locked-up somewhere, have their hermeneutics.
Philosophers dream up more abstractions with little or no connection to biology. Philosophy itself has become a hermeneutic exercise in Will. We are not gong to will anything into being. We can think politically, if that thinking is tied to political science and history and socio-biology. KM’s Culture of Critique is without philosophy, and ditto our best writers. Nor is it a posited hermeneutic. It is empirically based thruout.
Utopias are dreamed-up out of thin air. Usually by Northern Europeans. We need to stick to blood and soil, the solid earth-bound answer to those who fancy sky-pie. Joe
Most of modern philosophy is pharisaic reinvention of morality to destroy societal cohesion. Like any social animals, humans are most prosperous in societies conforming to their nature. If an ant colony was somehow convinced that its queen should be overthrown and that soldiers, workers, and drones should become “equal,” the colony would perish. Ants are bound to instinct, but human instinct may be overcome by a smooth-talking sales pitch.
False, modern philosophers were stealthily deployed to despoil the culture of White nations. Our leaders were subverted and our morals refashioned by hostile interlopers. Self-defense requires the rejection of the modern philosophies to bring back the simple logic of Natural Law. Historically, nations prospered by following this law or perished without it. We could restore our society by re-embracing the Natural Law.
Joe: You may well have a better idea than I do what will come to pass when the era of “extreme polarization and civil breakdown,” as you call it, comes upon us, whether in a month or a generation. (Let me amend that to read “you certainly have a better idea than I do,” since in truth I have no idea at all.) Will our Tribal friends slink away with their tail between their legs, as they have a dozen times in the past when their megalomania undid them, or will they go for the Samson option? Or will they, for once, surprise us? I haven’t a clue.
I am especially heartened to read of your wish to “pour cold water on any romances of military insurrection.” I myself have borne arms in only one war, but that one was quite sordid enough to place me forever reflexively in the camp of Augustine, Aquinas, and the rest of the Christian just-war theorists. I now wonder whether I did not completely misread your earlier Camp of the Saints article. Nothing you have written on this thread or anywhere else lately seems remotely bloodthirsty, I rejoice to say.
I have been reading Instauration on-line by Wilmot Robertspm. ( The Dispossessed Majority), Issue Vol. 1, #9, has a report “When and Whither Morality” which includes a claim that internationalist morality first showed up at the time of the Alexander conquests, when an ideology had to be forged to fit the multi-racial problem brought on my these conquests. Robertson says that the Cynics and Stoics were the court philosophers hired to create a suitable ideology.
Also, see the article on Arnold Gehlen was who a player/philosopher in the fascist orbit. Interesting piece.
Pierre, I don’t recall what I said re the Camp of the Saints piece. However, I probably said, or will say now, that the French should have sunk the boats before they arrived on the beaches of Province and failing that, should have started shooting at the beach Bloodthirsty is rhetoric mostly. When blood must be shed for self-defense, it must be shed. Obviously, in the first place, sinking a couple ships of the Indian stinking armada would have turned the rest around. Also, as I seem to remember, the only person willing to fire on the big-stink was a fellow Indian, who knew well his people and had escaped to France well before. Good post.
I just read the Heidegger material on wikipedia and am even more convinced of the uselessness of this stuff, except for intellectual diversion and poetry.
Being is the genes, and the personal ordering of data….freedom. It cannot be anything else unless one believes in God. I like Heidegger’s demand that there is no after-life, Just 3 or 4 acts and that’s all folks. You feel the End coming, and thus are motivated to get something done besides making money and biding your time. I am definitely in my last act.
ALl you folks who are only in your second or third act…Act. Action was the highest of the Greek Goods. Speech was the highest action as it expressed intelligence, organization, dispassion, and political commitment (and I would add, a testament to the overcoming of narcissism…or not) . One could add Will, although Will as been sullied by voluntarists of the Leninist variety and others.
Joe Webb,
Brilliant stuff. You may be aware that Wittgenstein said the same, and most pithily, eighty-nine years ago:
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The right method of philosophy would be this: To say nothing except what can be said, i.e. the propositions of natural science, i.e. something that has nothing to do with philosophy: and then always, when someone else wished to say something metaphysical, to demonstrate to him that he had given no meaning to certain signs in his propositions. This method would be unsatisfying to the other — he would not have the feeling that we were teaching him philosophy — but it would be the only strictly correct method.
Uh, uh..thanks. But you know it is just basic common sense. Of course, common sense is usually the common nonsense of the zeitgeist. And no, I have not read Wittgenstein but am glad to see a philosopher existed who is anti-philosophic, in the sense you bring up.
What would …I assume that W. would qualify as brilliant….folks like him do with socio-biology today…great leaps forward.
There is probably a book on the theme of murder-suicide in our recent “philosophy” of the Deconstructionists. My guess is that most of them were and are ex-leftists and Jews (and both in the same person), who, like a jilted lover gone mad, goes for his weapon. The Left had its mad Utopia, the Jews had their Vanguard role in the Revolution. When that romance disappeared they both went in for sour grapes at best and murder at worst. Then, while the Jews could retreat to their tribal warmth (Derrida) the goy Deconstructors lay there like Humpty-Dumpty, awash in their own slop and railing at the World.
To say that narcissism was a large part of that pseudo-intellectual movement would be an understatement. Getting back to Humpty-Dumpty, I will never forget the W.C. Fields Humpty-Dumpty film version wherein Humpty-Dumpty states: “A word means exactly what I say it means, nothing more, nothing less.” That was a hermeneutic worth remembering. Joe