Jewish Intelligence

Kevin MacDonald


Editor’s note: This was originally posted on August 19, 2007 on my website, before TOO was established. I re-post it here to encourage comments and because it remains relevant given continuing interest in Jewish IQ—e.g., Richard Lynn’s The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement (Whitefish, MT: Washington Summit Publishers, 2011). Lynn finds that the average IQ for Ashkenazi Jews is 110, for Sephardic Jews 98-99, Oriental Jews 91, and Falasha Jews (a largely African group genetically) < 70. Lynn’s book will be reviewed by F. Roger Devlin in the Summer issue of The Occidental Quarterly (see also “Are Jews Smarter“). The focus on IQ in this article does not imply that ethnic networking is unimportant, for example, in admission to elite universities. Thus taking Richard Lynn’s estimates of Ashkenazi Jewish IQ and correcting for the greater numbers of European Whites in America, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or  4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews is around 1 to 1 or less. There is also presumptive ethnic networking at work in particular niches, such as Hollywood and other forms of media where Jews are represented far beyond anything predicted by IQ  (see, e.g., Edmund Connelly’s work and this recent blog on Jewish networking in literature and art). As noted often in TOO, the problem is not that Jews are an elite. The problem is that they have a long track record as a hostile elite —hostile to the people and the culture of the West.

Jewish intelligence has become a hot topic following the publication of a paper by Greg Cochran and Henry Harpending in The Journal of Biological Science. Charles Murray weighed in with an article in Commentary (“Jewish Genius”, April, 2007). Murray’s theory is quite a bit like the one I published in my 1994 book, A People That Shall Dwell Alone (Ch. 7). I discussed eugenic events such as the Babylonian exile in which the elite Israelites were relocated to Babylon and refused to intermarry with those left behind when they returned (as graphically recounted in the Books of Ezra and Nehemiah). I also described a great deal of discrimination against the illiterate in the ancient world, with the effect that such people were excluded from the Jewish community. Marriage to such a person was especially abhorrent. And I recounted the history of Jewish education and Jewish idealization of the scholar, including especially the practice of wealthy Jews marrying their daughters to scholars and providing them with business opportunities. Because wealth was correlated with reproductive success in traditional societies, this had the effect of eugenic selection for intelligence. All of these practices originated in the ancient world and are well attested among both Ashkenazi and Sephardic populations in later centuries.

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The argument of Cochran and Harpending depends on Ashkenazi uniqueness. Their major contribution is to elaborate evidence that Ashkenazi intelligence is linked to mutations associated with brain metabolism and to certain Jewish genetic diseases (e.g., Tay-Sachs disease). I certainly do not want to deny that there is some unique genetic basis for Ashkenazi IQ. Indeed, I described the evidence available as of 1994 on Ashkenazi CNS mutations linked to brain metabolism in A People That Shall Dwell Alone (Ch.2):

Eldridge (1970; see also Eldridge & Koerber 1977) suggests that a gene causing primary torsion dystonia, which occurs at high levels among Ashkenazi Jews, may have a heterozygote advantage because of beneficial effects on intelligence. Further supporting the importance of selective processes, eight of the 11 genetic diseases found predominantly among Ashkenazi Jews involve the central nervous system, and three are closely related in their biochemical effects (see Goodman 1979, 463). [Further,] Motulsky (1977a) suggests that the higher incidence of myopia in Ashkenazi Jewish populations could be the result of selection for higher verbal intelligence. Myopia and intelligence have been linked in other populations, and Jews tend to have higher intelligence and higher rates of myopia.
Eldridge, R. (1970). The torsion dystonias: Literature review and genetic and clinical studies. Neurology 20:1–78.
Eldridge, & T. Koerber (1979). Torsion dystonia: Autosomal recessive form. In Genetic Diseases among Ashkenazi Jews, ed. R. M. Goodman & A. G. Motulsky. New York: Raven Press.
Motulsky, A. G. (1979a). Possible selective effects of urbanization on Ashkenazi Jews. In Genetic Diseases Among Ashkenazi Jews, ed. R. M. Goodman & A. G. Motulsky. New York: Raven Press.

Cochran and Harpending base their argument of Ashkenazi uniqueness on their belief that Jews did not have a reputation of being smart in the ancient world. However, if you look at Jewish religious writings, such as the Mishnah (2nd century AD) and the Talmuds (4th and 6th century), their elites were at a very high level. And it should be remembered that until the Enlightenment, the vast majority of Jewish scholarship was directed within the Jewish community, rather than at science or philosophy.  As a result, Jewish intelligence may not have been apparent to non-Jews. In the ancient world, Jewish education was the norm and the system where scholars benefited from advantageous marriages was already in place. And in any case, the historical record supports the idea that Jews were quite successful economically in the ancient world. After the failed rebellions against the Romans during the 1st and 2nd century, Jews achieved a very prominent economic position in the Roman Empire and dominated some industries, so the familiar pattern of Jews as an elite group was well underway at that time. Consider, for example, the following passage from Separation and Its Discontents:

Bachrach (1985) suggested that the Jews were so wealthy, powerful, and aggressive that until around the middle of the 5th century the government viewed a strong anti-Jewish policy as not politically viable, even though it was continually being pressured in this direction by the Church. The rather limited anti-Jewish actions of the government during the 150 years following the Edict of Toleration of 313 are interpreted “as attempts to protect Christians from a vigorous, powerful, and often aggressive Jewish gens” (Bachrach 1985, 408). The Jews themselves were perceived by the emperors, the government, and the Church fathers as “an aggressive, well-organized, wealthy, and powerful minority” (p. 408). Particularly revealing are the suggestion that the solvency of the municipalities depended on Jews paying their taxes and the fear that offending the Jews could set off widespread and costly revolts, such as the one led by Patricius in 351.
Bachrach, B. S. (1985). The Jewish community in the Later Roman Empire as seen in the Codex Theodosianus. In “To See Ourselves as Others See Us”: Christians, Jews, “Others” in Late Antiquity, ed. J. Neusner & E. S. Frerichs. Chico, CA: Scholars Press.

In short, Jews in the ancient world had all of the characteristics associated with later Ashkenazi populations: Economic preeminence, an occupational profile emphasizing business, finance, trading, and manufacturing, high levels of education, and a scholarly elite producing complex, religious writing. Scholarship was an excellent means to achieve upward mobility and presumably greater than average reproductive success.

These traits also characterized the Sephardim. I agree with Murray on the Sephardim because of the complete dominance of Spain by the New Christians (economic, political, and intellectual) after the “conversions” of the early 15th century. This group remained influential in Amsterdam and elsewhere, but they gradually lost their grip in Spain because of the Inquisition. They became separated from the wider Jewish community—mainly the lower classes of Jewish society—after the expulsion of 1492. This was a dysgenic event for that group, and their descendants do not seem especially accomplished. This is a passage from Ch. 7 of A People that Shall Dwell Alone:

Jews who continued to practice Judaism in Spain during the 15th century and were subsequently expelled in 1492 were less educated and less economically successful than their Converso brethren who remained to endure the wrath of the Inquisition. In this case, the less wealthy Jews certainly suffered fewer casualties and eventually were able to emigrate to North Africa or the Levant. Eventually, the Levantine Sephardim underwent a distinct atrophy of their culture…, while the descendants of the Conversos continued their highly elite and exclusivist profile on the international economic scene. When these Levantine Sephardim immigrated to the United States in the 20th century, they exhibited much higher rates of illiteracy, alcoholism, prostitution, and wife abandonment than did the Ashkenazim (Sachar 1992, 338). While the Ashkenazim were quickly upwardly mobile in American society, the Sephardim achieved only “a modest economic foothold” and were more likely to engage in lower-status occupations (Sachar 1992, 340).

My view is that the Jewish population of Spain had all the characteristics of Ashkenazi populations, including the emphasis on Jewish scholarship and favorable marriages for scholars. The Conversos were at least as accomplished as Ashkenazi groups and dominated Spain at least until the Inquisition and even for quite a while thereafter. The section on the ups and downs of Jews in the Muslim world is here.

The argument emphasizes the pattern of lower Sephardic IQ than for Ashkenazi populations within Israel. Nevertheless, it also notes that in general Jewish populations had higher intelligence and achievement in Arab societies when they were politically allowed to prosper. Perhaps the accomplishments of the Levantine Sephardim during some periods were facilitated because of the low average IQ of the peoples they lived among. In other words, they were highly capable compared to the native populations. [For example, Lynn and Vanhanen estimate the IQ of Arab-dominated societies as averaging around 86-87. ]. There seems to be good evidence that the decline of the Levantine Sephardim was due at least partly to anti-Jewish actions.

Anthropologist Peter Frost has proposed a variation on the theme of Cochran and Harpending. Frost emphasizes the shift to early marriage, especially by “semi-rural artisans who produced on contract for urban merchants and who could ably exploit these larger, more elastic markets. . . . Their workforce was their household. In more successful households, the workers would marry earlier and have as many children as possible. In less successful ones, they would postpone marriage, or never marry.”

This theory also demands Ashkenazi uniqueness, which is at least questionable given the above. The cottage industry niche was a fairly short-lived phenomenon, so a more formal argument would have to be made involving the power of selection among Jewish artisan families and between Jews and non-Jews. Frost’s proposal reminds us that the stereotype of Jews as financiers, money lenders, merchants, and traders can be overdone. Indeed, the general pattern was for Jews to be involved in vertically integrated business and trading arrangements. For example, in Poland by the end of the 18th century, Jews dominated almost all areas of trading, manufacturing, and estate managing, and they had become dominant among the artisans as well (A People That Shall Dwell Alone, Ch. 5; Zionism and the Internal Dynamics of Judaism). The Jewish economic niche began with trading, estate managing, and money lending, but eventually they dominated virtually the entire economy except agricultural labor as the Jewish population increased.

Given this pattern, it seems gratuitous to attribute causality to one part of this pattern, especially when artisanry was the last economic niche to become dominated by Jews. Indeed, the Jewish involvement with artisanry seems to have been a consequence of their already dominating other areas; artisanry was the last remaining niche above agricultural labor to be dominated by Jews. For Frost’s model to work, he must assume that the IQ of the Jewish population prior to their involvement in artisanry was at the population average. But the progenitors of Jewish artisans in Eastern Europe were Jewish traders, money lenders, and estate managers—hardly low-IQ professions. Overall, the Jewish occupational profile in Eastern Europe is familiar in other times and places, including the ancient world and Spain prior to the Inquisition, so it’s difficult to see how this fits as an argument for Ashkenazi uniqueness.

It should also be noted that Jewish fertility was very high not simply because they were involved in artisanry, but also for religious reasons: the rise of the Hasidic movement. Poor Jewish families continued to have high fertility even when the result was poverty (see Zionism and the Internal Dynamics of Judaism). My argument is that eventually Jews overshot their economic niche entirely. This had huge consequences for the modern world not only because it figured prominently in the pressures resulting in anti-Semitism in Eastern Europe throughout the 19th and into the 20th century, but also because the main Jewish responses to their misery in Eastern Europe were Zionism and political radicalism—two very potent forces indeed.

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166 Comments to "Jewish Intelligence"

  1. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    July 21, 2012 - 9:41 am | Permalink

    @Spartisan:
    You should add verbal intelligence to your list ( and preferably at the top of it ). You cannot have “excellent verbal skills” without excellent verbal intelligence. The one is the expression of the other. Like it or not these people are really intelligent, though that is obviously not the only reason of their success ( see point 2 and 3 of your list ).

    Their immense ambition, their claim to “own the world” is not rooted in a childish egocentrism, rather it is an expression of a kind of Luciferian Pride, it is “grown up” but evil.

    And of course destructive behaviour ultimately leads to one’s own destruction. In this sense these intelligent people are “stupid”.

  2. Spartisan's Gravatar Spartisan
    July 19, 2012 - 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Late to the game here. Oh well.

    I cringe every time I see KM write another article on Jewish IQ. How can anyone who has studied their history consider it a serious factor in their domination of societies? Compare it to the big three obvious ones:

    1. Excellent verbal skills.
    2. Nepotism.
    3. Chutzpah.

    The third one is by far the most used and successful behavior in their achievements and also in their downfalls. The childlike behavior of stomping feet, calling names, foaming outrage, until they get what they want. Surely this isn’t a sign of intelligence but the opposite?

  3. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    July 18, 2012 - 3:21 pm | Permalink

    @john7:

    Unfortunately, Professor MacDonald seemed to be unaware that he was responding to a comment posted by a Christian Identity lunatic.

  4. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    July 10, 2012 - 11:43 pm | Permalink
  5. Libre Facio's Gravatar Libre Facio
    July 10, 2012 - 4:23 pm | Permalink
  6. Libre Facio's Gravatar Libre Facio
    July 10, 2012 - 7:40 am | Permalink

    It’s pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that subverted nation is way too extreame to be a legit dissident site. It’s most likely a CIA front meant to entrap people. Hence Jewish Inteligence. Anyone who read any of my comments knows where I stand on issues.

  7. Libre Facio's Gravatar Libre Facio
    July 10, 2012 - 7:35 am | Permalink

    The links above to the subverted nation dot com was not meant to promote their message. It’s to give you an example how they try to entrap and manipulate people, thus discredit the ovelall messege. Obviously people here can’t connect the dots.

  8. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    July 9, 2012 - 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Next- a thread on jewish Stupidity.

  9. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    July 9, 2012 - 12:48 pm | Permalink

    The `Jewish people’ is a made-up notion, consisting of an imaginary past with very little to back it up forensically, historically or textually.
    The Exodus is pure fiction — apparently 3 million Hebrew men, women and children lived in the Sinai Desert for forty years without leaving a single Matzo Ball behind.
    “Jews do not have a common origin, that their Semitic origins are a myth. Jews have no origin in Palestine whatsoever, and therefore their act of so-called `return’ must be realized as pretext for a land grab.
    Professor Shlomo Sand says Jews, rather than being a race, comprise a collective of many people who have been hijacked by a national movement based on myths.
    Nobody should believe the Exodus & Diaspora & all theose Biblical fairy stories about Israel .
    There was NO Exodus ,there was NO Diaspora Jews back then converted to Islam & others didn’t.
    There are no records of correspondence to or from King David to other kingdoms of that period ,no architectural evidence of a great Jewish civilization.
    Many Palestinians today are the descendants of Jews who converted to Islam and Christianity centuries ago.

    Top Israeli archaeologist Israel Finkelstein has denied the existence of Jewish roots in the city of Jerusalem.
    Proffessor Finkelstein at Tel Aviv University, said Jewish archaeologists have failed to unearth historic sites to support some of the stories in the Torah. Among those stories are the Jewish Exodus, the forty-year wandering in the Sinai desert.
    That Exodus is pure fiction — apparently 3 million Hebrew men, women and children lived in the Sinai Desert for forty years without leaving a single Matzo Ball behind.

    Proffessor Finkelstein also said there was no archaeological evidence that concludes that the alleged Temple of Solomon ever existed.
    http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/top-israeli-archaeologists-contest-jewish-ties-to-jerusalem/
    http://consortiumnews.com/2011/12/13/israeli-scho

    Today 80 % of all Jews are Ashkenazi of European decent originating from the Kazhar Empire, a west Asian empire that was established in the eighth century and converted to Judaism to avoid taking sides in the Islam vs Christianity wars.
    In the 13th century the mongols rolled in and shut the empire down & the Kazahrs fled & established Jewish communities throughout Europe —- their historical connection to the Middle East is zero and only more Jewish mythology.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/search/node/biblical%20exodus

  10. Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
    July 9, 2012 - 11:47 am | Permalink

    To make certain it would be distributed as widely as possible Dr. Salk never patented his attenuated virus vaccine. The relief felt by all of America when it was found safe and effective was almost physically real as there had been a panic with swimming pools and other public facilities closed.

    Dr. Salk tested the vaccine on himself, his wife and his two children before any human subjects were inoculated.

  11. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    July 8, 2012 - 5:06 pm | Permalink

    @Caleb: Maybe the use of chimps in polio vaccine research and immunization didn’t cause HIV, but it easily could have. Those Jewish researchers were reckless.

  12. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    July 8, 2012 - 5:00 pm | Permalink

    @Molly:

    An IQ of 110 isn’t that high and there isn’t much difference between that and an IQ of 100. However….go out to the far right of the distribution with a mid point of 110 instread of 100 and you start getting notable differences.

  13. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    July 8, 2012 - 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Is there any room in evolutionary theory for Say Tan?

    There is strong evidence. . .

    The jews enter a country and “possess” the country, living vicariously.

  14. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    July 8, 2012 - 4:57 pm | Permalink

    @Bardon Kaldian:

    All very true…Einstein and certainly Feynman were geniuses with a particular intuitive/visual ability. But these are notable exceptions to a rule that is borne out in IQ testing. jews do exceptionally well in verbal and average or below average in visual/spatial.

  15. Caleb's Gravatar Caleb
    July 8, 2012 - 4:45 pm | Permalink

    90404: Sorry about your relatives. For them the Polio vaccines came too late. The SALK and SABIN vaccines, that is.

  16. Molly's Gravatar Molly
    July 8, 2012 - 4:38 pm | Permalink

    110 is not a very high IQ. With an IQ of 110, the average Jew would not even have qualified for the Gifted and Talented program in Fairfax County, Virginia when my kids went to school there. They were tested before they were admitted to make sure their IQs were at least 140.

    Although, it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Jews were admitted to the program with IQs much lower than 140 by means of Jewish networking.

  17. Bardon Kaldian's Gravatar Bardon Kaldian
    July 8, 2012 - 4:10 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Sorry, but this is not true. In many talks about his creative mental processes, Einstein always emphasized how his chief strength had been the ability to visualize physical processes- much like later Feynman’s (also Jewish) diagrams. Say, absorption of photons or collision of particles, (non)simultaneity of clocks etc. And the very structure of Hebrew language is, if not visual, at least “practical”, with verbs dominating- similar to Arabic- and almost complete lack of abstraction- unlike, say, Greek, Sanskrit or German.

  18. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    July 8, 2012 - 3:25 pm | Permalink

    So where did the Jewish diaspora come from?

    Yes the Roman Empire did brutally put down Jewish revolts in A.D. 70 and A.D. 135 but the Romans were not in the business of ethnic cleansing. Taxes and tribute could only flow into Roman coffers from people who were continuing to work the land and otherwise laboring. In any case, even if they were so inclined, the Romans did not have the technological means to accomplish such a un Roman thing.

    Professor Sand’s answer is simple and logical and is backed up with ample evidence from primary and secondary sources.

    While it is not so today, Judaism at that time was a proselyting religion (like Christianity and, later, Islam). The Jews living elsewhere are mainly the descendants of converted peoples.

    Ashkenazi Jews (Jews in Eastern Europe) are mainly descendants of Khazars whose King converted in the 8th Century.
    Sephardic Jews (on the Iberian Peninsula and north Africa) come from converted Berbers.

    Israeli archaeologists ( I. Finkelstein, N. Silberman, Z. Hawass, Z. Herzog, W. Denver, et al ) agree that the great United Kingdom of Solomon and David circa 980-930BC is a fairy tale & they were mere chieftains, with maybe 50 warriors in their group . This is now accepted FACT (“The Bible Unearthed” by Finkelstein).

    Alas there was no Moses, Abraham or covenant or Promised Land, just propaganda created 700 years after the “Moses era” to create a legacy for the benefit of a group based in Jerusalem circa 500 BC.

    Jerusalem in that era had no walls, no monumental buildings & its people were mostly illiterate.

    Israeli Professor Shlomo Sand Calls Jewish People an ” Invention” with 80% of all Jews being “Ashkenazi” & descended from medieval Jewish communities along the Rhine in Germany.

    Professor Shlomo Sand Calls Jewish People an ” Invention” with 80% of all Jews being “Ashkenazi” & descended from medieval Jewish communities along the Rhine in Germany.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/books/24jews.html

    Truth starved Americans are kept in the dark.

    There are 5 Million Secular Jews out of a total Worldwide Jewish population of 14 million & Jewish intellectuals believing in God are rare & yet Jews use Religion to make their mythical connection to Palestine.

    Where are the ruins of Ancient Jewish Civilization to support
    myths like the Diaspora , the glorious age of David & Solomon & Jerusalem being the city they all wished it was ?

    Proffessor Finkelstein at Tel Aviv University, says Jewish archaeologists have failed to unearth historic sites to support many stories in the Torah like the Jewish Exodus,
    the forty-year wandering in the Sinai desert, and Joshua’s victory over the Canaanites. He also says there was no archaeological evidence that concludes that the alleged Temple of Solomon ever existed. ¬¬¬¬http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/top-is….
    http://consortiumnews.com/2011/12/13/israeli-scho

  19. fender's Gravatar fender
    July 8, 2012 - 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Just came across this quote by Ludwig Klages today:

    “The Jew is not a liar: he is the lie itself. From this vantage point, we can say that the Jew is not a man. … He lives the pseudo-life of a ghoul whose fortunes are linked to Yahweh-Moloch. He employs deception as the weapon with which he will exterminate mankind. The Jew is the very incarnation of the unearthly power of destruction.”

    This what Jewish “intelligence” really is: the will to destruction. These people have never had a culture or civilization of their own, and so their role in human history is to destroy all OTHER cultures and civilizations. This is literally the only thing they’ve done in their entire history.

  20. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    July 8, 2012 - 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Being stupid about the Jews has never done White People any good.

  21. omop's Gravatar omop
    July 8, 2012 - 9:26 am | Permalink

    According to this morning’s CBS Sunday not only are the Jews smarter then everyone they also seem to live longer lives than Christians and Muslims.

    Is that chosen or what?

  22. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    July 8, 2012 - 8:32 am | Permalink

    Jews are promoting policies that would turn Europe Muslim in less than 50 years and the US non-White majority before that. In other words, they are destroying the very bases of their power. And no, they will not have time to take over China or Asia before end of century. So, while they are master exploiters, they appear rather DUMB when it comes to true long range planning. They aren’t known as long term builders of much, are they?

    It appears they let their hatred for Whites come before even their own longterm safety. This may be an example of hate destroying the hater. I’m especially thinking of the “activist Jews” types. The NYC Jews that froth at the mouth with hatred for the South.

  23. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    July 8, 2012 - 1:21 am | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza:
    From yr link:
    ‘Dr. Len Horowitz, a Messianic Jew, warns that all vaccines are a spiritual danger to Americans.’

    As someone with 2 close relatives that never fully recovered
    from Polio…..I dont ‘buy’ yr link.

  24. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    July 8, 2012 - 1:08 am | Permalink

    @Bialal:

    it should not be surprising that Ashkenazim, which moved west in the last several hundred years from slavic and central asian areas, are an admixture of middle eastern and european peoples. But one could say the same for Armenians, Greeks, Albanians, Andalusian spaniards, etc. This doesnt say anything about where their origins lie , unless one wants to state that moorish spoaniards and albanians are the remnant of the early Israelites (also).

    Excellent points all around. Many populations show DNA from a (supposed) Genghis Khan, but no one uses mythology about Ghengis Khan to
    “prove” uncritical sweeping generalizations about modern ethnic groups. Why not propose that various Biblical stories about “Kings David and Solomon” are really about Khan, his sons, and the “lost tribes of Mongolia?” You could make such comparisons based on mythological interpretations of fictional “ancient” writings just as easily.

    It’s quite telling that the New Testament is no longer taken as serious history, and 19th century higher criticism of NT writings are taken for granted among modern historians, yet the Old Testament still retains some privileged place among the psuedo-scientific historians, along with Homer (really: Homer is revered among non-scientific “historians” in the same way that religious partisans still pretend that Moses wrote the Pentateuch; the stories about Homer being passed down verbally for a thousand years through memorization is religious malarcky on the level of Muslim fundamentalists rejecting Muhammad Sven Kalisch’s theories, same with the Trojan War and some ancient Greek fantasists – why should we believe ANY of this, at all?)

    Supposedly there is all this carbon dating for these supposed “ancient documents” with unlikely provenance, like the Dead Sea Scrolls – conveniently found in caves just when the state of Israel needed them, or similar writings hundreds of years ago when the Vatican needed them, all found in the trash can in the back of some “ancient” monestary – but really, where is the verification? Why are some mythological histories so sacrosanct, but not others? Why is it the museums are so protective of their precious artifacts, other than the obvious religious/economic/political reasons?

    So – fine – show us the money – show us the proof? Peer review exists for a reason, but once you peel back the two or three “verifications” and the “tradition” – these historians have virtually nothing.

    Ezra and Nehemiah may as well be the history of the Star Trek Klingons. Stories about “the lost tribes of ancient Israel” may as well be stories about “the lost tribes of ancient Atlantis.” Mostly, it’s nothing but wooden chips from the “true cross” or “the Shroud” or “ancient Israelites” etc. Psuedo-historical mumbo-jumbo co-opting real (DNA) science with the barest pretense of objectivity.

    Not much different than popular “science” calling Higgs-Boson the “God Particle” and religious types riffing off of that.

  25. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    July 7, 2012 - 5:44 pm | Permalink
  26. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    July 7, 2012 - 5:40 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:
    Yes, networking and anti Christianity + getting folks to swallow the term ‘Anti Semetic’ [w/o looking up ‘semetic’ [hint, it means mideastern languages] + working the holocaust + Saint Einstein and Ann Frank…
    Its like the wizard of oz!!
    + the holocaust musuems etc ad nauseum.

  27. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    July 7, 2012 - 5:35 pm | Permalink

    @mari:
    I am NOT making this up. I was across the street from the Musuem of Tolerance in LA. I read the poster for a new film ‘The Watch’. Uh vey the Jewish names on that films poster..
    levy, levitt. levinson, stern, ben affleck etcetc.

  28. July 7, 2012 - 5:35 pm | Permalink

    @Rolf Kraki: I replied to this, but my comment hasn’t appeared. So that’s the end of that.

  29. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    July 7, 2012 - 5:22 pm | Permalink

    @john7:
    I read / heard 2 stories about Jewish DNA.

    LA Times….3 Russian women are forebearers of 3 ? million Jews.
    [source not remembered] 2 or 3? Turkish men figure strongly in millions of Jews ancestry.

    Kevin………….what do you say? Most jews ‘go back’ to 5 people.

  30. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    July 7, 2012 - 1:41 pm | Permalink

    @Neville:

    The Jews are a cult with a marriage taboo. Like all cults with a marriage taboo, the taboo weakens or strengthens with time and circumstance. In the case of the Jews, cult membership is transmitted through the mother to the children. Naturally, there are going to be variables like adoption, bastardry, and conversion.

    Here in the US we have all of the elements of the Jew cult present. That makes things even more confusing, and harder to figure.

  31. July 7, 2012 - 1:26 pm | Permalink

    This book published in May 2012 is the latest summary on history of Jewish Genetics.

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/0195379616

    @Neville:

  32. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    July 7, 2012 - 11:55 am | Permalink

    The population genetic data clearly show that Jews are a Middle Eastern people—-Kevin Mcdonald.

    I thought that 80% of Jews are Ashkenazi coming from Eastern Europe with NO historical connection to the Middle East . Am I wrong ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

  33. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    July 7, 2012 - 11:42 am | Permalink

    Kikes, KKK and the Racial Divide – Jewish Intelligence

    http://www.subvertednation.net/kikes-kkk-and-the-racial-divide/

  34. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 7, 2012 - 11:35 am | Permalink

    @Floda:
    Do you have a source for this? Long ago I read an account of the GI’s comments on DP’s. Then it simply disappeared. I’d love to track it down again. Thanks.

  35. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    July 7, 2012 - 11:11 am | Permalink
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    July 7, 2012 - 11:08 am | Permalink
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    Just a note on ‘visuo-spatial ability’. The general idea, I always thought, was an appreciation of 3 dimensions. For example, some people are better than others at simply navigating their way across hills and fields. Some can tell where they are within large complicated houses – their sense of direction is better, they know one room is directly above another. Some people appreciate technical drawings of objects, and can work out what an object looks like from a different angle more easily than others. Architects ought, presumably, to have a feel for this. So should bricklayers. So should people who make clothes – the way curves are generated in cloth, the way layers of clothes interact, the way sitting and standing and moving of arms and legs affect body shape and size presumably are the stock-in-trade of good tailors.

    IQ tests are pencil-and-paper tests, for the good reason these are cheap. Just as are all written exams. I’m a bit puzzled why people get so worked up against them, unless it’s a simple feeling of envy or inferiority.

  40. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    July 7, 2012 - 9:49 am | Permalink

    @Achaean:
    The Jewish “genius” is more manipulative than creative, but it must be said that they know how to manipulate the creativity of others to their own advantage like no other ethnic group in the world. Left to their own devices they would have remained the cunning bedouin they once were.

  41. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    July 7, 2012 - 9:22 am | Permalink

    I have barely explored the Jewish question, IQ scholarship, and Jewish elite power, so I may well be missing something, but my impression is that Jews have not produced a disproportionate number to “greatest lists” in such fields as political theory, philosophy, classical composition, literature, painting, poetry, and historiography. Think of the greatest philosophers — only Spinoza and Wittgenstein; greatest political theorists — only Marx, and perhaps Leo Strauss, if the focus is on the 20C. Greatest composers — Mahler and Mendelssohn; if we include the 20C, Schoenberg and Copland, but these can be seen as contributors to a general decline in classical music. This is not to deny the many virtuoso Jewish pianists and violin players. Greatest historians — before the 20C, I cannot think of any, which should not be surprising since they did not have much history to write about. In chess and (possibly) mathematics, they have contributed a disproportionate number of “greatest” figures. When it comes to greatest in military leadership, exploration, heroes, there are no Jewish names, which is why they are drawn to Hannibal for being Semitic. Quite a few of the founding sociologists — Durkheim, Marx, Simmel — were Jewish, but the greatest one, Max Weber was German; and the first founders, Comte and Spencer, were French and English. These are no longer taught, the left pushed them out, and neither is the great Italian Pareto. Can anyone think of any great Jewish painter before the 20C and its not so great contributions? — Rembrandt was not Jewish.

  42. Rolf Kraki's Gravatar Rolf Kraki
    July 7, 2012 - 8:40 am | Permalink

    @Rerevisionist: Jewish contributions are very large in the medical field and in physics. Salk vaccine, Hep B vaccine, and numerous antibiotics, chemotherapeutics.

  43. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    July 7, 2012 - 4:58 am | Permalink

    @mari: I noticed this too, met many people that are “culturally jewish” but not fully jews.

  44. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    July 7, 2012 - 3:18 am | Permalink

    On the seventh of the seventh, how fitting that we discuss Jewish intelligence.
    http://is.gd/DUnOwL

  45. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    July 7, 2012 - 2:18 am | Permalink

    Jews were successful at times in Muslim lands, but only when there were a) large empires that needed a bureaucracy due to the comparatively low intelligence and tribal nature of the native population, as well as traditional Mideastern aversion to “white collar” careers. b) As in Spain and Sicily, a hostile native population, in this situation the Jews were often the middleman for the ruling class. Otherwise they were largely excluded and impoverished due to the much stronger group unity of these host populations.

  46. Gallic (with poor English skills)'s Gravatar Gallic (with poor English skills)
    July 7, 2012 - 1:30 am | Permalink

    @Athanasius: If they were able to make converts in Ethiopia and Peru, they could have made only plenty in Europe, particularly among the talented urban Gentiles who were allowed to marry average Jewish girls. Even today, the Jewish populations replenish themselves like this. They also reintegrate willing half-Jews.

  47. Smoot Wilson's Gravatar Smoot Wilson
    July 7, 2012 - 1:01 am | Permalink

    Interesting thread. I used to think that the Jews were “smarter” and earned their achievements. I no longer believe that. They own and run the media and the banking system and Wall St., etc.etc.etc, because of ingroup/outgroup dynamics. They hire other Jews, and screen us out. Their every move is for their clan, and their every move is an attempt to screw us over. My IQ is waaaaaaay over the average Ashkenazi Jewish IQ, but I don’t have a waiting and willing network to help me get to where I want to go. Convince me that 2% of the population runs the entire media because they happen to be “smarter.”
    They wouldn’t be zip without us. They ARE parasites. We were/are warriors with high IQ’s…they are weasels with high IQ’s. In the end, I’ll put money on our breed anytime. It’s like comparing a Rottweiler to a Poodle.

  48. Smoot Wilson's Gravatar Smoot Wilson
    July 7, 2012 - 12:43 am | Permalink

    The Jews didn’t have land, so they learned to “farm” people. Whites learned to manipulate land. Jews learned to manipulate people.

  49. Aquilax's Gravatar Aquilax
    July 6, 2012 - 11:14 pm | Permalink

    The power of Jews is their ability to persuade and convince, whether they are right or wrong, they have the talent to make other people believe what they want them to believe. They seem to understand quickly how a population behaves and then exploit these behavior to become wealthy and advance their interest. But this is surely caused by the motivation of advancing their own interest and being a minority, they have to resort to other tactics that we (as the majority population) are not familiar with. Mr. MacDonald explained it very well in a short video where he said that Jews promote universalist values to hide their own egoist interest. Instead of promoting “protection and respect of the Jews” they promote the “benefits of diversity”.

  50. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    July 6, 2012 - 11:11 pm | Permalink

    @Achaean:
    In short : Jews are superior parasites. If that is something to be proud of…

  51. Aquilax's Gravatar Aquilax
    July 6, 2012 - 11:06 pm | Permalink

    @Achaean: Amen to that.

  52. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    July 6, 2012 - 9:34 pm | Permalink
  53. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    July 6, 2012 - 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Below are some unflattering observations of Jews made by General George S Patton on his experiences with Jews in Germany shortly after the war in 1945.

    “He was disgusted by their behavior in the camps for Displaced Persons (DP’s) which the Americans built for them and even more disgusted by the way they behaved when they were housed in German hospitals and private homes. He observed with horror that “these people do not understand toilets and refuse to use them except as repositories for tin cans, garbage, and refuse . . . They decline, where practicable, to use latrines, preferring to relieve themselves on the floor.”

    He described in his diary one DP camp,

    “where, although room existed, the Jews were crowded together to an appalling extent, and in practically every room there was a pile of garbage in one corner which was also used as a latrine. The Jews were only forced to desist from their nastiness and clean up the mess by the threat of the butt ends of rifles. Of course, I know the expression ‘lost tribes of Israel’ applied to the tribes which disappeared — not to the tribe of Judah from which the current sons of bitches are descended. However, it is my personal opinion that this too is a lost tribe — lost to all decency.”

    Patton’s initial impressions of the Jews were not improved when he attended a Jewish religious service at Eisenhower’s insistence. His diary entry for September 17, 1945, reads in part:

    “This happened to be the feast of Yom Kippur, so they were all collected in a large, wooden building, which they called a synagogue. It behooved General Eisenhower to make a speech to them. We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking bunch of humanity I have ever seen. When we got about halfway up, the head rabbi, who was dressed in a fur hat similar to that worn by Henry VIII of England and in a surplice heavily embroidered and very filthy, came down and met the General . . . The smell was so terrible that I almost fainted and actually about three hours later lost my lunch as the result of remembering it.”

  54. mari's Gravatar mari
    July 6, 2012 - 8:02 pm | Permalink

    I think that poor and unsuccessful Jews are quietly eased out. I used to have Jewish neighbors who were poor. They did not own a home, raised 3 boys in a 2 bedroom apartment. Wife was a bartender, husband was an independent sales rep.

    When I knew them the parents were in their mid fifties. The Mother told me the sons had never been Bar Mitzvahed because they couldn’t afford it. I was shocked and responded that obviously they could not afford some big vulgar party, why not have just the lessons, ceremony and a small family celebration?

    Her answer was that even the lessons and ceremony would have really been too expensive. But the real reason was that it was just too humiliating to have the religious ceremony without the $100,000 party.

    The grandchildren will have some idea that somewhere in the background there were some Jews. That family has been eased out.

    The writer Bernard Malumud a Jew wrote some stories set in 19th century Russia. Several of them were about young Jewish men who
    were neither scholars or businessmen and who were more or less driven out of the Jewish communities.

    These men were physically strong and had mechanical ability. So they went over to the Russians, got decent blue collar jobs and were happy.

    The anti Zionist Weissmandel dynasty of Rabbis and other anti zionist Jews ranging from poor hasids to the very rich
    claim that the zionists worked with Hitler to eliminate 2 kinds of Jews during WW2.

    First and foremost the wealthy business people because the original zionists were communists and wanted to create a socialist paradise in Palestine.

    They also wanted to get rid of the poor, unsuccessful, and physically and mentally weak. They preferred to “save” only healthy socialist young people and children they could indoctrinate in their boarding schools to create the new zionist Jew.

    Google the Rabbis Weissmandel if you are interested in this.

  55. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    July 6, 2012 - 7:39 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    “From what I understand the jews were successful in Egypt”

    There’s no reason to believe the jews were ever in Egypt.

    Ok, if that is the case then lucky Egypt.

  56. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    July 6, 2012 - 7:34 pm | Permalink

    We can agree that “Jews in the ancient world had all of the characteristics associated with later Ashkenazi populations… high levels of education, and a scholarly elite producing complex, religious writing.”

    Still, it is worth noting, using Murray’s own ranking of the best philosophers, scientists, artists and literary figures throughout history, in his book Human Achievements from 800 BC to 1950, that the ranked names are almost entirely white European, such as Galileo, at the top in astronomy; Darwin at the top in biology; Hippocrates, Pasteur in medicine; Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Wagner in Western music, Shakespeare, Cervantes in Western literature. Other names spread out through these lists include Leibniz (in philosophy and mathematics) Huygens, Archimedes, Kant, Aquinas, Plato, and Rousseau. No Jews, except Spinoza (I am relying on memory here, as I don’t have Murray’s book ready at hand). The top polymaths, that is, those figures who ranked high in four categories, were Descartes and Leonardo Da Vinci. Again, no Jews. And don’t forget that practically all the names listed in the rankings came from European nations. Creating a nation takes talent. Living in our artificially peaceful settings, we forget this. The leading nations are France, Germany, England, with Italy fourth. Jews are terrible in all sports.

  57. fender's Gravatar fender
    July 6, 2012 - 7:24 pm | Permalink

    @andrea ostrov letania:

    “If Jews are weak in visual reasoning, how does one account for Eisenstein,”

    1/4 Jewish.

    “Demille,”

    1/2 Jewish.

    “Lang,”

    1/2 Jewish.

    “Truffaut”

    1/2 Jewish.

    Most of the rest of the guys you mentioned don’t, in my opinion, rank among the absolute best filmmakers like Lean, Kurosawa, Tarkovsky, etc. In fact, much of their work I find to be artless and crude.

  58. fender's Gravatar fender
    July 6, 2012 - 7:14 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    “From what I understand the jews were successful in Egypt”

    There’s no reason to believe the jews were ever in Egypt.

  59. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 6, 2012 - 7:10 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    erratum: I’ll

  60. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 6, 2012 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    @John Yates:
    Thanks, I look it up.

  61. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    July 6, 2012 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Let’s agree with Lynn that the average IQ for Ashkenazi Jews is 110. Let’s also agree that the IQ of Germans, which is higher than the average European or White IQ, is 107. That’s only a three point difference. Meanwhile, the Germans are superior in nation-building, and in physical prowess, with the highest number of medals in the Olympics per capita (whereas Jews are terrible in both these endeavors). So, who wins? Lynn et. al. think they can measure the talents, cultural capacities, and historic achievements of different ethnic groups merely by using one criteria, IQ scores. But suitable as this measurement may be, it can hardly capture the full complex of human capacities, the multiple ingredients that make up the human personality. The Greeks, Romans, Aristotle were well aware that high intelligence on its own is a minus without character, personality. Historically, whatever the Jews have accomplished has been INSIDE the territories and the nation-states of whites. Show me a Jewish Napoleon, Alexander, Caesar — there are none; and the same goes for explorers, heroes, and athletes. The Jews are not superior but dependents; they have always needed whites to survive; Israel would cease to exist without white support.

  62. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 6, 2012 - 7:07 pm | Permalink

    @tombarnes:
    Great points, thanks. We must never underestimate the extent to which Jews simply change the rules of the game. I wish one of the lawyers hereabouts would write a piece about the damage done to our legal system when Talmudic thinking is applied to it.

  63. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 6, 2012 - 7:03 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza:
    I am going to assume that you do not intend to be as insulting as your post reads. Jews and women are not the same. Jewish men are not very masculine and Jewish women are not very feminine. They are good at destroying anything they cannot master, from high art to the art of living together with some harmony and grace. They destroy the balance. No loss to them – our lives have become significantly impoverished.

  64. July 6, 2012 - 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Come on, you people. The stellar members of the human race intellectually and artistically have not been Jews. Newton wasn’t Jewish but more or less invented mathematical physics (along with Leibniz, Hooker etc). None of the classifiers afaik was a Jew (Linnaeus, for example; Vasalius the anatomist). Neither Darwin or (imho the true originator of evolution) Wallace was Jewish. It’s all very well to talk of ‘scholars’ but only in a narrow rather absurd field; scholarship of the Renaissance, of the ‘historical Jesus’ type, of serious history is non-Jewish. People like Galileo and Humphrey Davy and John Dalton and Scheele and Mendelleev and I think Virchow weren’t Jews. Medical discoveries have had little Jewish input. Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo and the Italian (and other) artistic explosion weren’t Jews. None of the inventors of railways, motor cars or airplanes were Jews. No instrumentalists – microscopes, telescopes, electrical devices, etc. None of the greatest writers were Jews. None of the greatest lawgiver and legal speculator types were Jews, either.

    [NB there may be a few. There’s a book by Roth on Jewish Contrituions, published in Britain 1938 ish, which includes things like motorboats).

    Jewish influence stems from money – funding their own kids, making sure other kids start education late, introducing education schemes (‘look say’) designed to fail, tabulating education into modules so thoughtfulness is phased out, introducing tenure preferably at a young age, inventing bogus specialisations to fill themselves, introducing academic fraud – AIDS, polio theories, nuke stuff, and all the rest. So you get ‘my son the lawyer’, ‘my son the doctor’. ‘my son the writer’, ‘my son the banker’, ‘my son the psychoanalyst’. Why do you think Google, Youtube, Facebook are owned by Jews? They have paper money; they hire experts in hardware, design, software, systems, networks etc – specialisms that all need great skill and full-time concentration. It’s much easier to hire people and sack them if they fail (or if they’re too good) than do the work themselves!

  65. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 6, 2012 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    @John:
    I have likened Jews to the crazy person who takes up all the air in the room. Even when they bear you no personal ill will, mixing with them will always be abrasive and either painful or coarsening. They can be very funny, but the humor is often cruel or vulgar, rarely witty or good natured, even among themselves.

    As a child I was taught to pity the poor Jews because they lacked my advantages and could not be blamed for the culture in which they were raised. I have come to believe that to ask them to live according to my standards is silly and cruel. Even when they can do it, they are miserable. Diversity can be enriching, I have been able to travel and I am grateful for it. I learned when I was very young that I had far more in common with rural, Greek women than I have with a Jews who grew up in my hometown.

    I can manage a waltz with some grace. Were I required to communicate via complex rhythms I would be in a lot of trouble. Irreconcilable differences.

  66. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    July 6, 2012 - 5:41 pm | Permalink

    @andrea ostrov letania:
    Yes, but have you noticed that when Jews are active in visual arts the product is always bizarre forms? Talk about talent!

  67. Skadhi_the_Raverner's Gravatar Skadhi_the_Raverner
    July 6, 2012 - 5:32 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: You’re right, doing this to kids without anaesthetic has to be stopped. This isn’t a ‘racist’ stance, Jews demanding the special exception are demanding to be above our laws protecting children.

    Kosher and halal must go as well.

  68. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    July 6, 2012 - 5:27 pm | Permalink

    The Cochran and Harpending explanation is pure natural selection though wealthier Jews having more surviving children in the Middle Ages. Cochran cites French Canadians, who also have Tay Sachs stemming from 2 mutations. Frost says

    In French Canadians, Tay Sach’s is caused by 2 different mutations that arose within a relatively small geographic area and short time frame (neither mutation is reported in France). This area (Bas St-Laurent and Charlevoix) is also the one where English Canadian merchants and managers were historically the least present

    But there is evidence for official inducements for large families among French Canadians in the early days of settlement. Here Also, according to Gunnar Heinsohn:

    after the British had conquered French Quebec. The Catholic priests put pressure on the French families to put up to 15 children into the world, and this demographic effort was successful

    So the French Canadian case is not a clear cut one of natural selection favouring Tay Sachs mutations in a population which had no inducement, beyond natural inclination, to have as many children as possible. And use of the children as labor in a cottage industry family work team provided a targeted incentive for a successful (more intelligent) man to have a maximum sized family. It is worth noting that Ashkenazi deliberately restricted the reproduction of poor Jews as documented in APTSDA .

  69. Skadhi_the_Raverner's Gravatar Skadhi_the_Raverner
    July 6, 2012 - 5:24 pm | Permalink

    @Kullervo: The Jews in the ancient world were heavily involved in the culture of Alexandria with its abstract and theoretical theologies and philosophies. Sound familiar?

  70. Skadhi_the_Raverner's Gravatar Skadhi_the_Raverner
    July 6, 2012 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

    @Bilal: Bilal, though I agree with you the west is degenerate and I appreciate Asia, you seem to be denigrating Europe’s own culture including Rome by saying we ‘need’ things from Asia when we were, like your ancestors, perfectly fine before colonialism. Comments such as this aren’t supportive of whites, Bilal.

  71. July 6, 2012 - 5:18 pm | Permalink

    “They are weak in visual reasoning, strong in symbolic reasoning.”

    If Jews are weak in visual reasoning, how does one account for Eisenstein, Demille, Lang, Eisenstein, Spielberg, Truffaut, Schlesinger, Lumet, Nichols, Penn, Polanski, Szabo, Jansco, Vertov, etc?

  72. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    July 6, 2012 - 5:16 pm | Permalink

    @John Yates:

    There is every indication that women as a group are distinctly less adept at visual-spatial reasoning than men are,.

    Good post.

    Oh really, so this might explain why it is men that practically invent and build and maintain EVERYTHING . That’s right , everything, just look around for yourselves.
    It’s a wacky world if this is not obvious to anyone who cares to see.

  73. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    July 6, 2012 - 5:08 pm | Permalink
  74. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    July 6, 2012 - 5:06 pm | Permalink

    @tombarnes:
    Yes, and here other qualities of Jews than intelligence and diligence come into the picture, like ethnic networking and nepotism and shameless chutzpah, qualities we Goyim lack. There is no other way than to develop our kind of tribalism if we want to win this battle.

  75. mari's Gravatar mari
    July 6, 2012 - 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Barbara,
    i did not write that comment. A Jew named Elad Nehori wrote it. He claims to be a writer living in NYC. Maybe he has a blog. Why not google him and if he has a blog
    continue the discussion of his comment with HIM, not with me.

  76. tombarnes's Gravatar tombarnes
    July 6, 2012 - 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Prof. McDonald has discussed this idea of absolute numbers and IQ before.

    I think it is a given that Jewish IQ is 10 to 15 points higher than regular old white Americans.
    A lot of regular old white Americans attribute Jewish success and overrepresentation in the elite to this higher Jewish intelligence.
    But they do not take into account absolute numbers and the idea that the right tail of the Bell Curve of 200 million regular old Americans has many more high IQ individuals than the right tail of a small group of six million highly intelligent Jewish people.
    A commenter at Mangans also discussed this idea and said this:”For the sake of argument, let’s assume 200 million White Americans (IQ 100), 6 million Jewish Americans (IQ 115), Normal distribution at the tail ends of the distribution, standard deviations for both populations of 15. That would give us roughly 32 million White Americans with IQ 115 or higher vs 3 million Jewish Americans with IQ 115 or higher. For IQ 130 or higher it is 4.6 million vs 950,000. For IQ 145 it is 270,000 vs 137,000. For IQ 160 it is 6,340 vs 8,100. If it is only 105, IQ 160 would be 6,340 vs 1,400.

    The average Harvard undergrads IQ is 130 and thus non-Jewish whites should dominate the Ivy League schools, however, that is not the case. Why?”

    I think we are supposed to whisper to one another in our kitchens and say,”Wow look at all the Jewish people in positions of power!” and the proper reply, which is also whispered is, “Well they are much smarter you know.”
    The subject of absolute numbers never comes up, it is bad enough we even dared to be ‘vulgar’ and talk about them much less come to the startling realization that there are a lot more smarter Goys out there then are represented in the Elite.

  77. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    July 6, 2012 - 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps the accomplishments of the Levantine Sephardi during some periods were facilitated because of the low average IQ of the peoples they lived among. In other words

    Sephardi Jews’ success in the Iberian Peninsula may have been because the natives were not very bright. If there has been a gain in IQ throughout Europe since the Sephardi were expelled then that would explain why they don’t seem outstanding today.

  78. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    July 6, 2012 - 4:08 pm | Permalink

    @mari: Yes, but White Europeans took over the world way before Jews. Jews succeeded here because of White naivete and trustworthyness. If Whites put their minds to it, they could again control all of what is held by Jews today, but we need ethnic and racial tribal mentality to do it. Isn’t that what TOO is working on?

  79. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    July 6, 2012 - 3:23 pm | Permalink

    corr.
    ” her admission ” and ” your little hearts”

    pardon the typos.

  80. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    July 6, 2012 - 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Mari,
    I knew that. I was commenting on what Elad Nehorai , apparently a jew who says she comes from a ” funny breed”.

    I was only stating that he admission does not go far enough. That she is right about her admission that her “funny breed” is very successful , it’s just that it’s how they became so and how “funny” they really are .

    Sorry for the misunderstanding.
    Did you read my comment about women being natural subversives? Bless you hearts. haha

  81. July 6, 2012 - 3:16 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    CORRECTION TO A RESPONSE JUST SENT BY ME
    “..American Jews as a group appear likewise to be detectably less adept…..” This is incorrect. There appears to be a relative weakness among Jews as a group for visual-spatial reasoning vis a vis their remarkably high verbal scores. It is not unlikely that if test construction didn’t “fiddle” with gender differences in its rejection of specific test items , there would be a noticeable, but not dramatic, relative deficit among females in visual-spatial reasoning.

  82. July 6, 2012 - 3:11 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    A book by British science writers published about 14 years ago or so under the catchy title BRAIN SEX is an excellent and clear introduction into gender differences, including useful commentary about small, but noteworthy, gender differences in specific domains involved in IQ testing–such as visual-spatial reasoning. Publishers of IQ tests generally in subtle ways in test construction, tend to erode and otherwise “sweep under the rug” the genuine gender differences that probably lurk in obscured reality. These differences would not reasonably be presumed to be dramatic, but would be “noticeable” and not irrelevant. A relative who has worked within test publishing and within the scrutiny and acceptace/rejection of specific test items, etc, assured me that in discarding items “biased” toward either males or females, test construction imparts a spurious impression of general wide-ranging gender equality. There is every indication that women as a group are distinctly less adept at visual-spatial reasoning than men are,.

    And American Jews as a group appear likewise to be detectably less adept at visual-spatial reasoning than are majority males.

  83. July 6, 2012 - 2:58 pm | Permalink

    @fnn:
    There was some use, unvarnished, undisguised, of IQ testing in Nazi Germany after the academic research with IQ tests
    ceased (in any publication manifestation, at least) just before the outbreak of war in 1939–1939, not 1935. This was perhaps more true in vital industries than in special branches of the military. Simoneit’s program was specific to the Wehrmacht. The SS had tests that were much more manifestly IQ type tests, for example. The most parsimonious conjecture is that Germany, as a nation and culture, just disregarded the work of Galton, Spearman, Burt, Pearson, and others in the UK and the US. After all, IQ testing is an example of engineering efficacy running out far, far ahead of theoretical formulation—not exactly a “German thing”. A contributing factor may be that during World War I Spearman resolved never to admit Germans to study in his program. Aside from perhaps a “lone wolf” voice here or there in German academia, there appears not to have been a single small cohort within German academia that recognized the efficacy of what had taken place in the UK and later in the US with respect to efficacious IQ testing.

  84. mari's Gravatar mari
    July 6, 2012 - 2:58 pm | Permalink

    John Hearns

    If you read my comment carefully, you would have noticed that I did not write it.

    I simply copied a comment written by Jew named Elad Nehorai.

    Read the first sentence of the comment again.

    Seems that most commentators comment only to nitpick what they consider mistakes or errors in other people’s comments. As in this case, the nitpickers are often wrong, wrong, wrong.

  85. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    July 6, 2012 - 2:45 pm | Permalink

    The real death camps were in judaic conquered soviet union for goy.
    Very dirty it was.

  86. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    July 6, 2012 - 2:40 pm | Permalink

    From what I understand the jews were successful in Egypt and then they began to assimilate and so the jewish leadership would have none of that and saw it neccessary to cause a bloody rebellion from within. Dirty it was.

  87. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    July 6, 2012 - 2:35 pm | Permalink

    @mari:


    We’re talking about a group of people that just got put in death camps, endured pogroms, their whole families decimated. And then they came to America, the one place that ever really let them have as much power as they wanted, and suddenly they’re taking over. Please don’t tell me that any other group in the world has ever done that. Only the Jews. And we’ve done it before. That’s why the Jews were enslaved in Egypt.

    Work camps not death camps . And it seems that Jews are far more the slavers of history , by FAR. Through history they have manipulated their own very bad behavior in to blaming others as part of their dirty game.

    There is nothing wrong with trying to succeed , but it is how you play the game that counts.
    It is the jews game to play dirty and it is our game to have them not succeed , since whites want to succeed and play clean.
    Will clean trump dirty? Good over evil ?
    I think it will.

  88. July 6, 2012 - 2:34 pm | Permalink

    @Elric!:

    The study was done in Britain, so I presume they were mostly white.

    You presume a lot.

  89. Io's Gravatar Io
    July 6, 2012 - 2:15 pm | Permalink

    [i]”For starters, bear in mind that there is no real consensus on what intelligence actually is, let alone how to measure it!

    The traditional IQ tests are a pretty useless tool (the online versions are particularly crap) and the only thing that they can be said to measure with any certainty is “the ability to do IQ tests”. I say this as someone who scores very highly on these tests (I have Asperger’s syndrome and we tend to be good at this kind of thing), so there’s no sour grapes involved in me saying IQ tests aren’t very useful.

    Having said that, that type of psychometric testing can be useful for detecting people with certain aptitudes – the IT industry finds them quite useful in this respect, for example.”[/i]

  90. fnn's Gravatar fnn
    July 6, 2012 - 2:07 pm | Permalink

    @http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.com/2012/06/american-m-209-cipher-machine.html

    An interesting overview of events regarding the NAAS 5 unit is given by one of the cryptanalysts who served there named Reinold Weber.

    According to an article at Telepolis magazine by Klaus Schmeh, Reinold Weber was born in Austria in 1920. In April 1941 he was drafted in the German army and assigned to a signal company in the Eastern front. In December 1942 while he was in an interpreter school he took an intelligence test and scored third. His good results got him reassigned to the signal intelligence service and he was sent to Berlin for a six month course in cryptology.

  91. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    July 6, 2012 - 2:06 pm | Permalink

    @Barbara:

    Need to clarify.

    The Cambridge study was done only on ethnic Germans, not Jews or other groups living in Germany.l

  92. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    July 6, 2012 - 2:04 pm | Permalink

    @John yates: Speaking of Germans.

    Lynn finds that the average IQ for Ashkenazi Jews is 110, for Sephardic Jews 98- 99. A recent Cambridge University study on Europeans, without immigrant scores, showed a German IQ of 109. Dutch 109, and most other Northern, Western, and Southern countries over 100.

    This study is mentioned many places on the web, but can’t find the actual study. Is anyone familiar with it?

  93. mari's Gravatar mari
    July 6, 2012 - 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Here is an admission about Jewish control by a Jew who became by AIPAC’s intentions when in college.

    July 1, 2012, 11:05 am 28
    Elad Nehorai is a writer living in Crown Heights, Brooklyn.

    Jews DO control the media

    We Jews are a funny breed. We love to brag about every Jewish actor. Sometimes we even pretend an actor is Jewish just because we like him enough that we think he deserves to be on our team. We brag about Jewish authors, Jewish politicians, Jewish directors. Every time someone mentions any movie or book or piece of art, we inevitably say something like, “Did you know that he was Jewish?” That’s just how we roll.

    We’re a driven group, and not just in regards to the art world. We have, for example, AIPAC, which was essentially constructed just to drive agenda in Washington DC. And it succeeds admirably. And we brag about it. Again, it’s just what we do.

    But the funny part is when any anti-Semite or anti-Israel person starts to spout stuff like, “The Jews control the media!” and “The Jews control Washington!”

    Suddenly we’re up in arms. We create huge campaigns to take these people down. We do what we can to put them out of work. We publish articles. We’ve created entire organizations that exist just to tell everyone that the Jews don’t control nothin’. No, we don’t control the media, we don’t have any more sway in DC than anyone else. No, no, no, we swear: We’re just like everybody else!

    Does anyone else (who’s not a bigot) see the irony of this?

    Let’s be honest with ourselves, here, fellow Jews. We do control the media. We’ve got so many dudes up in the executive offices in all the big movie production companies it’s almost obscene. Just about every movie or TV show, whether it be “Tropic Thunder” or “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is rife with actors, directors, and writers who are Jewish. Did you know that all eight major film studios are run by Jews?

    But that’s not all. We also control the ads that go on those TV shows.

    And let’s not forget AIPAC, every anti-Semite’s favorite punching bag. We’re talking an organization that’s practically the equivalent of the Elders of Zion. I’ll never forget when I was involved in Israeli advocacy in college and being at one of the many AIPAC conventions. A man literally stood in front of us and told us that their whole goal was to only work with top-50 school graduate students because they would eventually be the people making changes in the government. Here I am, an idealistic little kid that goes to a bottom 50 school (ASU) who wants to do some grassroots advocacy, and these guys are literally talking about infiltrating the government. Intense.

    Now, I know what everyone will say. That everyone tries to lobby. Every minority group and every majority group. That every group has some successful actors and directors. But that’s a far call from saying that we run Hollywood and Madison Avenue. That the Mel Gibsons of the world are right in saying we’re deliberately using our power to take over the world. That we’ve got some crazy conspiracy going down.

    Okay. Fine. So some of that is kooky talk.

    But let’s look at it a bit deeper.

    Maybe it’s true: everyone lobbies. Maybe it’s true there are actors of every ethnicity out there. But come on. We’re the ones who are bragging about this stuff all the time. Can’t we admit that we’re incredibly successful? Can’t we say it to the world?

    I’ll give my theory for why Jews don’t want to talk about their control of the media.

    First of all, as much as Jews like to admit that so many of them are successful, and that so many of them have accomplished so much, they hate to admit that it has to do with they’re being Jewish. Maybe they’ll admit that it has something to do with the Jewish experience. But how many Jews will admit that there is something inherently a part of every single one of them that helps them to accomplish amazing things?

    The ADL chairman, Abe Foxman, was interviewed in a great article about the subject and he said that he “would prefer people say that many executives in the industry ‘happen to be Jewish.’” This just about sums up the party line.

    The truth is, the anti-Semites got it right. We Jews have something planted in each one of us that makes us completely different from every group in the world. We’re talking about a group of people that just got put in death camps, endured pogroms, their whole families decimated. And then they came to America, the one place that ever really let them have as much power as they wanted, and suddenly they’re taking over. Please don’t tell me that any other group in the world has ever done that. Only the Jews. And we’ve done it before. That’s why the Jews were enslaved in Egypt. We were too successful. Go look at the Torah — it’s right there. And we did it in Germany too.

  94. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    July 6, 2012 - 1:11 pm | Permalink

    corr.

    ” . on tv it was good to be a wimp “

  95. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    July 6, 2012 - 1:08 pm | Permalink


    Our entire war is over the matter of making distinctions. The masculine/right says making distinctions is good. The feminine/left says making distinctions is evil.

    Today making distinctions is called discrimination. It is largely illegal. Thus the masculine is largely illegal. Being conscious is about making comparisons (discriminating). Therefore being conscious is illegal. Therefore being alive is illegal.

    The war is egalitarianism (female principle) vs. anti-egalitarianism (masculine principle). This is the meta-war. Jew vs White is one example of masculine vs. feminine. The jew male looks at existence through female eyes

    It has been said that jews and women are natural communists. Women, like jews, have close to zero mechanical aptitude.

    I was reading something that I found interesting about how women have developed survival mechanisms in dealing with men. Men are physically stronger so that women have to “psych a guy out” I think that all guys know this to be true with the women from venus me from mars type stuff.
    Women fear men banding together to form a super masculine society where women would be subjected. This is why women are natural subversives , but since the judaics have empowered ( used) women , society has been feminized and multi cult is a part of that.
    There is nothing wrong with women being subversive since that is a natural , it’s just that it was unnatural that judaics empowered them and men wimped out because on tv it was to be a wimp.

  96. Elric!'s Gravatar Elric!
    July 6, 2012 - 12:46 pm | Permalink
  97. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    July 6, 2012 - 12:05 pm | Permalink

    >>>I suspect that this is related to the Jewish inability to be distinctively either feminine or masculine hence the move to eradicate the cultivation<<< A.T.

    I have speculated that jew males aren't so male after all.

    Our entire war is over the matter of making distinctions. The masculine/right says making distinctions is good. The feminine/left says making distinctions is evil.

    Today making distinctions is called discrimination. It is largely illegal. Thus the masculine is largely illegal. Being conscious is about making comparisons (discriminating). Therefore being conscious is illegal. Therefore being alive is illegal.

    The war is egalitarianism (female principle) vs. anti-egalitarianism (masculine principle). This is the meta-war. Jew vs White is one example of masculine vs. feminine. The jew male looks at existence through female eyes

    It has been said that jews and women are natural communists. Women, like jews, have close to zero mechanical aptitude. Utterly dependent on White male breadwinner. The jew male is female with a small dick.

    The war is over making distinctions. One side says this is good- the other side wants forcible suppression.

  98. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    July 6, 2012 - 11:43 am | Permalink

    Arthur Jensen is a controversial figure in psychology, due in large part to claims about racial differences in intelligence. In his newest book, “Clocking the Mind,” Jensen turns his attention to a more focused, yet still controversial topic: how is it that extraordinarily simple measures of reaction time can correlate so highly with intelligence?

    To understand the importance of this question, consider the following. First, as Jensen notes, almost all reliable measures of cognitive performance are correlated. Across a large number of such tests, a single number – termed g, for “general intelligence” – can account for a large portion of individual differences on each task. Because no single test is “process pure,” the correlations between g and scores on any given test are typically rather small; high correlations emerge from these measures only when they are considered in aggregate, with the following exception.

    Despite the fact that g is commonly assessed with tests of vocabulary, memory for associations, reasoning ability on the Raven’s Progressive Matrices (where subjects must discover a visual pattern within a matrix of stimuli, and select what the next pattern in the sequence would look like), and a wide variety of other very abstract and untimed tests, it appears that the variance they share can be reliably and accurately indexed by reaction time on a task where subjects must merely press a lighted button. The correlations between such simple tasks and g is around .62, which is higher than the correlation between many subscales of IQ tests and the g factor to which they contribute.

    If you are skeptical of these results, you are not alone. Jensen notes a deep-seated bias against the idea that such simple measures could reveal important traits of the cognitive system, and reviews several historical reasons for this bias. However, in just over 200 pages, Jensen creates a persuasive argument for the RT-IQ correlation based on dozens of factor analyses, and both developmental and genetic work. In the process, he covers issues related to statistical methodology, procedural variations on simple RT tasks, and correlations between simple RT and Sternberg memory scanning, working memory, short-term memory, long term memory, and a variety of other cognitive constructs.

    In the end, it appears that simple RT and g may be very closely related, if not indexing the same thing. Jensen advocates the “bottom-up” interpretation of the RT-IQ correlation, suggesting that individual differences in processing speed allow those individuals to think faster, accumulate more information per unit time, and provide other advantages that subsequently translate into g. Jensen notes that the “top-down” interpretation – for example, that increased IQ leads to better strategy-use, and for that reason result in lower RTs on simple tasks – is plausible but relatively uninteresting for those interested in mechanistic rather than merely descriptive accounts of intelligence. Whether or not you agree with Jensen’s “neural oscillation” hypothesis of the RT-IQ correlation, these facts beg for a mechanistic explanation.

    Jensen’s writing is clear and concise, and every chapter is densely packed with information. The historical treatment of chronometry is perhaps most enjoyable, filled with personal anecdotes and unique insight into the politics of 20th century psychology and psychometrics. My only complaint is the index seems sparse for a book so rich in detail.

    “Clocking the Mind” is not a popular science book; it is a scholarly work directed towards professionals and graduate students. Yet, anyone with a scientific interest in individual differences, intelligence, or executive functions will find much to consider here. After all, if Jensen is right, relatively simple and extremely reliable measures of reaction time might be a good replacement for some of the “fancy tasks” cognitive scientists have spent decades refining.

    http://www.amazon.com/Clocking-Mind-Chronometry-Individual-Differences/dp/0080449395

  99. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 6, 2012 - 11:26 am | Permalink

    @don allison:
    Thanks, I suspect I am having difficulty grasping the notion because I lack the skill :(

    Is this, on a basic level, the ability to look at a odd assortment of objects and an empty truck and know how best to load them for maximum efficiency? Is this related to hunting skills, e.g. the ability to throw the rock where a moving animal will be rather than where the animal is now? is this gender related?

    Forgive me for belaboring this, it relates to a theory I have about the feminist movement and promotion of androgyny. I suspect that this is related to the Jewish inability to be distinctively either feminine or masculine hence the move to eradicate the cultivation, much less the celebration, of either except in the parodies offered by the homosexual culture.

  100. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    July 6, 2012 - 11:19 am | Permalink

    @Bilal:

    “Why lament the passing of Western Christendom…celebrate it and welcome a new culture arising from Asia and the Middle East in stark opposition to Western depravity and nihilism.”

    OK, Bilal may I remind you that the name of this website is Occidental Observer, not Oriental Observer, and that its subtitle is : White Identity, Interests, and Culture ?

    You may think your Islamic culture is superior as much as you like, you may even think we “need” your culture in order to be saved, but I assure you there is a reason why the whole Third World wants to live in the West and that is not because of its own imagined “superiority”. Have you ever wondered why there is no mass emigration from the “depraved” West to the Islamic paradise? There is nothing more ridiculous than third worlders with a superiority complex. Go and fight your electronic Jihad elsewhere.

  101. July 6, 2012 - 10:55 am | Permalink

    @Bear:
    I have found no evidence that National Socialism took cognizance one way or the other of IQ testing. There were a few “card carrying Party members” in Germany who were academics and who tried to weave the government into their viewpoints. Cold water was thrown upon IQ testing apparently by the dominant academics in Germany (Wundt, e.g.) long before Hitler’s name started appearing in German newspapers. When undergoing IQ testing perforce at the
    Nuremberg spectacle, the few defendants who commented about the tests clearly betrayed an almost total lack of awareness. Goering, whose counsin was prominnent in German psychology, had heard of such tests—somewhat in
    the fashion that word of a far off exotic practice is alluded to in cafe conversation, say. I jut find that there is no upclose
    hard and fast indication that the Nazi leadership was informed at all of the possible efficacy of IQ testing ( e.g.,
    the WWI American military use of the Army Alpha/Beta). I suspect German devotion to ponderous theory and German disdain of British empiricism and American pragmatism
    is what probably blinded the Germans 1933-1945 to IQ
    testing. ?

  102. Bilal's Gravatar Bilal
    July 6, 2012 - 10:29 am | Permalink

    I think Steve’s succint point summarizes the work of evolutionary psycholigists; Ashkenazim have used genetic and cultural resources, including tribal networking, to gain a competitive niche which, albeit small, gives their group memebrs economic and biological fitness rewards which objectively speaking, are superiror to the average white “Christian” redneck , or his eurotrash on the dole equivalent. True enough, the fruit of this advantage is a sick culture of death and depravity unparalled in human history western post-christendom having become the most depraved, morally lawless, and violent cultures in world history. The close second is of course pagan Rome with its pagan children, trinitarian papacy and reformed papal theology, ie John Hagee Calvinist Zion worship. And if we believe the filtered accounts of pseudo history emanating from the papal archives telling their account of their centuries of history, then Zion was always a close ally in western development. Indeed one cannot conceive of European development, e.g. colonialism, the slave trade, gunboat diplomacy, and now neo colonialist transnational IMF world bank usury, wiuthout the important role of Zion trade and lending contributions.

    In this regard, all european development since the crumbling of the medeival caliphates has been in alliance with members of zion. There is no european developemnt possible in this stage without their participation in the crimes which led to european development at the expense of the east.

    Imagine Europe without the influx of culture from the East brought about by european colonialism, if you opned up your “China” cabinet, you would find no spices, and crude wooden bowls and sppons. The european sanitation system was a bucket empited into the street from a window upstairs.

    So there is no go backing to a Christian culture, since it was always a Judeo Christian culture backed by usury and violence and parasitism over the east anad the south.

    The only thing that has changed is that the powers that be, have recognized that colonial violence methods can now be applied to the home populations, which are waning in number as a result of their depraved morality.

    Why lament the passing of western christendom which has occurred over centuries in alliance with Zion? Celebrate it and welcome a new culture arising from Asia and the Middle East in stark opposition to western depravity and nihilism.
    In this you will find meaning.

  103. John's Gravatar John
    July 6, 2012 - 9:20 am | Permalink

    @Alice: Thanks. I agree with your observations of course. Initially, I thought our friend Steve (and I call him that very loosely indeed) was being sarcastic. I had to reread his statement more than once before I determined that if he isn’t in fact a “chosenite” himself, he’s most certainly philo-semite of the worst kind. I don’t normally contribute to these forums and comments although I’m here often enough to be considered a “regular” even so. I read, think and learn. Yet, I couldn’t allow such garbage to go unanswered. Every once in a while something like this causes a real blood pressure spike and has to be addressed. If we all continue to fight the good fight then eventually enough good whites everywhere will see the light as well. Last, I know each of us knows some “good Jews”; a “Dr. Witzostein” that’s a great dentist, a “Moe” that’s a great tailor down on main street and Dr. Steinoberg is the best proctologist in the city. But, at the end of the day, one definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. That describes Jews to a “t”. The aggregate, collective, observable behavior of the Jews, historically and contemporarily, is what causes them all their problems. History does indeed repeat itself and I suspect this particular cycle is coming rapidly to a close. Just hope the Liars don’t succeed in shutting down large parts of the Internet as they’ve been attempting to do with the bogus “war on terror” and similarly bogus “hate speech” legislation. Liars can’t stand the truth and the ‘Net is one of the few places left where it still prevails.

  104. henry baxley's Gravatar henry baxley
    July 6, 2012 - 5:18 am | Permalink

    Edward Kemper (The Serial Killer) has an IQ of 160

  105. etype's Gravatar etype
    July 6, 2012 - 3:36 am | Permalink

    The premise of this article is disgusting. It’s a bone for jew trolls.
    IQ test methodology is complete bunk, easily gamed from both ends. It’s not science, not even sociology…it’s part of the pathetic middle class anglo quest for status through ‘psuedology’… like all anglo american science.
    Macdonald has jumped the shark here and is grasping with some compromise in mind. Doubtless he has some goal in genuflecting to some great unknown jew ‘intelligence’ .
    Disgusting

  106. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    July 6, 2012 - 3:23 am | Permalink

    http://jewamongyou.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/the-ashkenazi-revolution2.pdf

    The Ashkenazi Revolution – Book written by a Ashkenazi supremacist in 1960s Israel.

  107. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    July 6, 2012 - 12:52 am | Permalink

    How about the Radhanites? Jewish Global merchants from the 500 CE to 1.000 CE, there is very little information about them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhanites
    “from West to East, from East to West, partly on land, partly by sea. They transport from the West eunuchs, female slaves, boys, brocade, castor, marten and other furs, and swords. They take ship from Firanja (France[7]), on the Western Sea, and make for Farama (Pelusium). There they load their goods on camel-back and go by land to al-Kolzum (Suez), a distance of twenty-five farsakhs (parasangs). They embark in the East Sea and sail from al-Kolzum to al-Jar (port of Medina) and al-Jeddah, then they go to Sind, India, and China. On their return from China they carry back musk, aloes, camphor, cinnamon, and other products of the Eastern countries to al-Kolzum and bring them back to Farama, where they again embark on the Western Sea. Some make sail for Constantinople to sell their goods to the Romans; others go to the palace of the King of the Franks to place their goods. Sometimes these Jew merchants, when embarking from the land of the Franks, on the Western Sea, make for Antioch (at the head of the Orontes River); thence by land to al-Jabia (al-Hanaya on the bank of the Euphrates), where they arrive after three days’ march. There they embark on the Euphrates and reach Baghdad, whence they sail down the Tigris, to al-Obolla. From al-Obolla they sail for Oman, Sindh, Hind, and China … These different journeys can also be made by land. The merchants that start from Spain or France go to Sus al-Aksa (in Morocco) and then to Tangier, whence they walk to Kairouan and the capital of Egypt. Thence they go to ar-Ramla, visit Damascus, al-Kufa, Baghdad, and al-Basra, cross Ahwaz, Fars, Kirman, Sind, Hind, and arrive in China. Sometimes, also, they take the route behind Rome and, passing through the country of the Slavs, arrive at Khamlidj, the capital of the Khazars. They embark on the Jorjan Sea, arrive at Balkh, betake themselves from there across the Oxus, and continue their journey toward Yurt, Toghuzghuz, and from there to China.[8]”

  108. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    July 6, 2012 - 12:37 am | Permalink

    @John: I agree they have very lame social skills. When I was younger, I worked for a small manufacturing company in the south, and one of the townsfolk had a different small mfg company, with a “court jew” as his operations mananger. This jew would call me up everytime he had a new idea for a product that “we could both benefit from financially,” and I first went enthusiastically, hoping to secure work for my firm. Eventually, I went only out of respect for the owner of the firm, as per convention in a small southern town. This jew was so obnoxiously one sided I eventually despised him. He would pump me for information but never give me anything of value. Never threw a bone my way. Despite all his “verbal skills”, it took him awhile to understand I was mocking him to his face in the end, laughing at his fanciful schemes. The owner of the firm eventually lectured me about how smart his jew was, but I pointed out to him that it didn’t matter to me, because all he ever did was waste my time, and benefit himself.
    Those who have to live and work with jews almost uniformly come to dislike them. How smart can they be?

  109. July 6, 2012 - 12:14 am | Permalink

    @Elric!:

    They cite evidence that the children of Jewish professionals have higher IQs than the comparable cohort of non-Jewish children.

    I’d have been more impressed if you had said that children of Jewish professionals have higher IQs than the comparable cohort of WHITE children.

  110. July 6, 2012 - 12:02 am | Permalink
  111. Bear's Gravatar Bear
    July 5, 2012 - 11:17 pm | Permalink

    @John yates:
    Thank you for that summary of IQ testing in National Socialist Germany.

    Despite their lack of fondness for IQ testing It seems the National Socialists were quite willing to accept racial differences in intelligence and temperament and more particularly that Intelligence was hereditary. It is after all intuitively obvious and surely only became contentious with the rise of radical egalitarianism.

    Despite the German National Socialist lack of fondness for IQ testing they seem to have been quite aware of the need for some kind of eugenics in the context of the welfare system attached to National Socialism. Goebbels in particular supposedly mentioned that Jews in Concentration camps need to be treated with ‘special caution’ as they were likely as survivors to be especially intelligent and therefore dangerous. Goebbels was also very interested in positive eugenics.

    If Hitler poured cold water IQ testing it was perhaps because with his strong identification with the German people that he sensed it as somewhat divisive.

    To an extent we in the present multi-kult colonized west focus on IQ test because they proved that achievement and income disparity is not a result of ‘White racism” or “White privileged” but IQ differences. I think most politically active Jews sense this but will not acknowledge it since it would mean surrendering the anti-racist cudgel they so often wield on Whites.

  112. July 5, 2012 - 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Kevin MacDonald is almost 70, so it would be great if before retirement the trilogy is updated.

    These books are more than 10 years old and with new genetic and archival information released from Europe, Russia, America, new revelations emerging, an updated edition might be in cards.

    This trilogy is the gold standard in understanding jewish-gentile relations and will serve as the starting point for any serious reader.

  113. July 5, 2012 - 10:21 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    I suspect “visual reasoning” refers to what is usually
    encaptioned as “visual-spatial reasoning” This is relevant
    to some extent to the differences (see John Yates,
    above ) Jews have on the most widely used individually
    administered IQ test, the Wechsler: as a group, their verbal
    IQ’s are quite significantly higher than their non-verbal / visual-spatial IQ’s. The non-verbal (performance) is reckoned from tasks like manipulating rapidly and efficiently blocks to replicate a design displayed initially on a card; tasks
    like seeing what is missing in a picture of familar objects; in rearranging puzzle pieces that amount to fragments of commonly experienced objects, etc. The verbal IQ is reckoned from definition of words; seeing how different words have an underlying similarity; giving verbal explanations for rule-bound common social behaviors, etc.etc.

  114. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 5, 2012 - 10:10 pm | Permalink

    @John:
    Perhaps the difference of opinion on social skills is a question of definitions. We define social skills as the ability to get along with others. Jews see social skills as the ability to manipulate, influence and control those around them. They do seem to be pretty good at that.

  115. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 5, 2012 - 10:03 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    I’m afraid i am still not following. My first thought was of the symbols used in a flow chat, but that is symbolic, duh. How does visual intelligence manifest in the real world? My husband and sons make fun of my poor sense of spacial relations and swear that I am not the only woman so lacking. Is that related?

    As for European looks among Jews, there is a subset of red heads among Jews, I always thought the Cossacks were responsible. One must also not underestimate the now near universal gift of a nose job as a coming of age ritual.

    I entirely agree that we should explore the issue of power much more thoroughly.

  116. Elric!'s Gravatar Elric!
    July 5, 2012 - 9:58 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: that’s not really correct, according to Cochran and Harpending. They cite evidence that the children of Jewish professionals have higher IQs than the comparable cohort of non-Jewish children. I realize this is not exactly the same thing, but approximately. I find Jews in the professions are notably smarter than the others, and nonJews married to Jews tend to be about ten IQ points smarter than the people around them.

  117. John's Gravatar John
    July 5, 2012 - 9:24 pm | Permalink

    “From my own observation, Jewish social skills are without compare.” Right Steve. No people in history has ever been so hated for so long by so many. Their social skills are at the bottom of the cess pool. Factually, Jews are rude, hypocritical and generally obnoxious. This is observed behavior in predominantly Jewish societies. There’s a reason why Israel is the most hated nation in the world. There’s a reason why Jews have been expelled from every country in Europe more than once. It’s not religious persecutions as the Kings of Liars would have you believe sport.
    That said, I’m glad Dr. McDonald revisited this article and the question of Jew intelligence (or lack thereof) . For starters, they voted for Obama at the rate some estimate to be 80%. That in itself displays at least a lack of common sense and possible intelligence as well. National IQ in Israel is only around 90. I’ve long suspected Jews of manipulating the US test scores. The same mechanisms that work to put a mere 2% of the population into over representation in Ivy League schools by double digits for example and comprising 33% of the SCOTUS seem to be at work here as well. Either the Jews are cherry picking the test scores or manipulating them. Same thing with their winning of all those Nobel Prizes. Even so, someone please name me some Jewish inventions. All those Nobels aren’t worth a pile of dung compared to the inventions of whites. Rule one: Jews lie; it’s what they do. Avoid them when you can, tolerate them if you have to but never, ever trust them. I follow my own advice and it works for me. It applies to people of color as well btw.

  118. Multiracialism's Gravatar Multiracialism
    July 5, 2012 - 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Whether the white European Jews (WEJ) are smarter than the rest of us is an interesting question, but consider that between 1880 and 1920 they laid the groundwork for splitting America under “pluralism.” Even in the 1940s and 1950s, the wildest slurs were cast on editors and politicians who referred to this nation as “Christian.” This was viewed as a tremendous insult and hateful reference to Jews.

    So the simple idea of “pluralism” finally led to the 1960s idea of multiculturalism, further dividing America, and then in the 1990s led to multiracialism which was were they wanted us to go anyway.

    Yes, this is the legacy (and opportunity) for the diverse white Americans to contend with. Personally, multiracialism has some attractions because you will never need to take offense at a member of another race, and you certainly never need to apologize for anything. We are in the middle of a new age.

  119. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    July 5, 2012 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    IMHO – visual reasoning….would be where one envisages something ‘top down’ in terms of its abstract structural qualities. As such it is intrinsically non-verbal…meaning is implied by relationships between structural components, and experienced symbolically.
    Boy…what a lot of jargon visual reasoning sounds like!
    One more real world example relates to how Europeans do on IQ tests relative to Ashkenazim. Although these Jews score more highly on average, the way it breaks down for them psychometrically is actually an asymetry where their verbal reasoning they score really high…like 115-120, but their spatial/visual reasoning they actually score below the european average.
    An example of spatial reasoning would be…say…seeing a set of shapes and getting a choice what the next shape in teh sequence should be. A lot of smart Europeans can pretty much do it by eye without even having to work out the pattern.

  120. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    July 5, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    One question I would have for KM if he’s around (or if anyone else here knows the answer please cut right in).
    Many Ashkenazim look very European. I mean…they mostly don’t look Aryan, but certainly could be part of the European melting pot. This surely has to be a result of significant interbreeding, or not?
    I appreciate the genetic evidence that shows a middleeast ancestry, and also the historical/cultural reasons to think that Jews overwhelminglhy bred amongst their own.

    However, even with overwhelming inbreeding, in the case of a small sub-culture living amongst a much larger homogenous culture, even rare instances of miscegenation would have a significant effect over time.

  121. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    July 5, 2012 - 6:49 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius: Thank you. I quite see now what you meant. And, of course, I agree with your last sentence completely. The only part of their genetic makeup that matters to the Jews themselves is the specifically Jewish fraction, despite what seems to me the absence of determinative evidence that whatever traits have given them an “evolutionary advantage” are in fact specifically Jewish in origin.

    This is as good a place as any for wondering aloud at the fact that no mention is made in this article of the mess that the Jews have created for themselves by their centuries old (and ongoing) taste for what was until virtually yesterday called inbreeding; viz., their propensity to marry well within the bounds of second-cousinship. Surely, if the Ashkenazim have paid a smaller price for this vice (to speak bluntly) than their Sephardic cousins, it is largely because of the benefits accruing to them from what they most loathe (or claim to): mating with the goyim of northern and western European stock.

  122. July 5, 2012 - 6:29 pm | Permalink

    @Svigor:
    Whups, make that “the latter begat the former”! :)

  123. July 5, 2012 - 6:28 pm | Permalink

    I have no problem acknowledging Ashkenazi IQ (when people talk about Jews, they’re usually talking about Ashkenazis – not at all the same thing). Or how highly overrated it is. E.g., assays of Ashkenazi IQ almost always omit Israeli populations (Israeli Ashkenazi mean = 104). Cherry-picking is quite common even among diaspora populations. My quick and dirty estimate of Ashkenazi mean IQ is around 106-107. Nothing to write home about; the Episcopalian mean is higher (109 if memory serves).

    Intelligence is not the hallmark of Jews. Ethnocentrism is. The former begat the latter. In fact, everything remarkable about the Ashkenazis can be ultimately traced to their ethnocentrism.

    I really love rubbing philo-Semitic noses in this fact. They hate it when I point out that if we’re going to hold Ashkenazis up as paragons, then we’re going to have to make a virtue out of racism.

  124. Bialal's Gravatar Bialal
    July 5, 2012 - 6:10 pm | Permalink

    LM writes that the dna data is conclusive, but with all due respect, this is a genetic issue, not a psychological one, and I have yet to find any lit review saying that middle eastern origins is settled uncontraversial gentic science. Indeed, KM says this elsewhere

    “The PCA analysis, a method I view as somewhat weak but with some utility, again shows Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews as spanning the gulf between European and Middle Eastern populations. ”

    Even forgetting the technical manipulative-ready methodology of PCA, it should not be surprising that Ashkenazim, which moved west in the last several hundred years from slavic and central asian areas, are an admixture of middle eastern and european peoples. But one could say the same for Armenians, Greeks, Albanians, Andalusian spaniards, etc. This doesnt say anything about where their origins lie , unless one wants to state that moorish spoaniards and albanians are the remnant of the early Israelites (also).

    On the IQ issue, there seems to be some tautology involved here. Jews devise IQ tests and claim they have high scores on these tests. What does that exactly mean in terms of evolitionary fitness? Maybe it says nothing at all exccept some fitness for this particular technological and political culture (which they devised). Does verbal intelligence help your clan keep warm during the next ice age, or fend off roaming ferral human tribes> I doubt it.

    But verbal intelligence may be a very good indicator of fitness in selling penny stocks to rubes, or shystrering another legal settlement. so what.

  125. vituperus's Gravatar vituperus
    July 5, 2012 - 6:06 pm | Permalink

    So the jews are highly intelligent….and us white europeans,
    what are we…chopped liver?!! oy vey!

  126. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    July 5, 2012 - 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Ashkenazim have retained quite a bit more Armenian blood than Sephardic populations and Armenians are clever so that may explain some IQ difference.

    Frost says the tight linkage between economic success and reproductive success was the key factor. There was a lot of cottage industry in New England. The extremely high birthrate of Puritans in Waltham Mass referred to in APTSDA might have been motivated by the desire to increase the size of their family workforce. See Family Life in 17th- And 18th-Century America p.247

    What would an estimate be for the IQ of the Puritans.

  127. Invictus's Gravatar Invictus
    July 5, 2012 - 5:41 pm | Permalink

    @ Athanasius
    Yes, your account of how the genetic markers could be compatible with much interbreeding is convincing.
    I note that the study didn’t include the obvious step of comparing the DNA of modern Ashkenazim with that of Khazar remains. I wonder why?

  128. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 5, 2012 - 5:37 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    Would you please explain this more fully. What is visual reasoning?

  129. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    July 5, 2012 - 5:18 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    It’s about Power Alice. In fact….one surprise to me is how little there is spoken/written in WN about the nature and realities of power.

  130. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    July 5, 2012 - 5:16 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    This is on the money hadding IMHO. I think I’m at an extreme end of visual thinking. It makes getting things into communicable form particularly difficult. But it makes doing stuff without explaining possibly easier.

  131. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 5, 2012 - 4:50 pm | Permalink

    @Sanjay:
    The ability to remove anything they want to do off of the table of debatable or moral issues while simultaneously respecting nothing in our culture as immune from their harping is truly dazzling. I know this is old news to all reader of The Culture of Critique, but real time examples help make the point.

  132. Paul Hausser's Gravatar Paul Hausser
    July 5, 2012 - 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Jews are smart. However it is this hubris that brings them down. When one thinks he knows it all and has everyone fooled is when the fall begins.

    Debbie Wasserman Shultze is just such a creature. They are slowly pulling the mask off every day and exposing their Zio-Bolshevik ways to us all.

    The “plastic demons of decomposition” as Goebbles called them.

  133. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 5, 2012 - 4:37 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I know it is not kind, but whenever I read these near hysterical rants, containing no logic or intellectual honesty but plenty of venom, I get this image of Rumpelstiltskin having a temper tantrum.

  134. July 5, 2012 - 4:32 pm | Permalink
  135. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    July 5, 2012 - 4:16 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Well, genotype controls (for the most part, there are epigenetic and other environmental factors at play as well) phenotype. Even if there are markers on the y-chomosomes of Ashkenazi Jews in common with other Semites, if they look nothing like fellow levantine semites, that indicates substantial interbreeding.

    Let’s say that hypothetically, a small number of levantine Jews went to Italy and intermixed with the local population out of necessity (b/c no semitic females were present) for a few generations and then their offspring were endogamous for a few hundred years. Then a number of men of this population went to Germany and intermixed (again out of necessity) with the Germanic population for a few generations and THEIR offspring were endogamous for a few hundred years. Then some men of THIS group went to Poland/Russia and did the same. You could have a group with a high frequency of levantine genetic markers but still substantially unrelated to the ancient Hebrews (and all the while pursuing eugenic practices in accordance with Prof. M’s theory).

    I don’t believe in any of this Christian identity nonsense, but think that even among the most secular of Jews, their notion of themselves as direct descendants of the ancient Israelites under-girds their sense of entitlement.

  136. Dirk's Gravatar Dirk
    July 5, 2012 - 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Jewish intelligence is overestimated. Firstly, Jews try to inflate and cultivate the supposed intelligence of Jewish scientists (smart as Einstein, insightful as Freud, etc.). Secondly, there is a huge difference between Sephardim and Azhkenazim. Sephardim are more articulate and elitist.

    I recall reading about the big mass of Jewish paupers in the slums of Amsterdam before WW II and the deliberate policy of the Jewish Council during WW II to ‘clean out’ their gene pool by deporting the paupers and preserve the elite. In Eastern Europe Jewish leaders followed a similar pattern.

  137. Invictus's Gravatar Invictus
    July 5, 2012 - 3:55 pm | Permalink

    I’m inclined to be cautious about accepting the findings of the Jewish investigators of Jewish genetics.

    Jews are inclined to “find” whatever is deemed to be “good for the Jews”. In this case, that would be confirmation of their identity with the Biblical “Chosen People”.

  138. fender's Gravatar fender
    July 5, 2012 - 3:18 pm | Permalink

    The average jew may be slightly smarter than the average European, but individual Europeans have risen to heights in the arts and scientists that no individual jews ever have.

  139. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    July 5, 2012 - 3:15 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: What a repellent scribbler this Goldman character is. If what he says about Germans dying off is true, he should be glad to see the back of them. Yet, of course, he rightly sees this ruling as the first stirring of a slave revolt. What next? Will we soon see suspension of direct subventions of German cash to Israel’s treasury? Will Germans’ hatred of their betters never end?!?

    As for the servile academic amicus curiae, Robert George, he is like 99 percent of other post–Vatican II Catholics—i.e., he is an adherent of a new, barely fifty-year-old religion—only more so, in that he would not have a post at Princeton nor would Goldman style him “distinguished” had he not made Faust’s bargain with these devils. You may safely expect him to serve his corporeal masters till their Luciferian leader summons him thence.

  140. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    July 5, 2012 - 3:10 pm | Permalink

    A race which cannot manufacture is not intelligent.

  141. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    July 5, 2012 - 3:03 pm | Permalink

    And you think the Kazars all converted to Islam?

  142. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    July 5, 2012 - 3:02 pm | Permalink

    @Smoot Wilson: So you think there were redheads with blue eyes like Mark Zuckerberg running around the bronze age Levant?

  143. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    July 5, 2012 - 2:58 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius: My friend, I know that what john7 is peddling is foolishness, but my understanding of the terminology of geneticists is far too limited to allow me to see at a glance how your comment undercuts his claims. Put otherwise, how is Jewish phenotypic variance related to the genotypic identification (more or less) of today’s Ashkenazim with Old Testamental Israelites?

    As I say, I know I’m missing something—quite possibly something glaringly obvious—but I just can’t see what it is.

  144. Smoot Wilson's Gravatar Smoot Wilson
    July 5, 2012 - 2:51 pm | Permalink

    The DNA doesn’t lie. There’s a video on Youtube(from a PBS segment I believe) where a number of famous people get their DNA test results on camera. Surprises abound. Mike Nichols(a Jew) and some famous Arab (whose name escapes me at the moment) have the same DNA, just like the Bible claims. Eva Longoria is white (I find this hilarious because she used to be an anti-white zealot) and always claimed to be “indigenous.”
    Anyway, that whole thing about today’s Jews not being Jews because they are really “Kazars” doesn’t stand up to the science of genetic testing.

  145. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    July 5, 2012 - 2:34 pm | Permalink

    @john7: How does one then account for their phenotypic diversity (compared to say, Arabs of the Arabian peninsula or Morocco–the “Arabs” in Syria or Lebanon show high phenotypic diversity precisely because they are highly heterogeneous populations.) and their large numbers in Europe (it seems bizarre to me that in in the 19th century, there were more Jews than Greeks, Armenians or Dutch in the world).

  146. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    July 5, 2012 - 2:27 pm | Permalink

    A wonderful example of Jewish intelligence today, denouncing Germany’s ban on circumcision. Sadly, it is accompanied by a Catholic fan of Vatican II. Please note that the ethical or moral implications of the surgical mutilation , without benefit of anesthesia, of innocent newborns is never discussed. It seems that our rights do not come from God, but from Jews!
    http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2012/07/02/german-court-ban-on-circumcision/

  147. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    July 5, 2012 - 2:23 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Jews paint what sells. LOL. For example, I pointed out before that the “white nationalist” promoted realistic art website is Jew owned. LOL.

    From my experience, Jews don’t have the mechanical aptitude that White men do. Maybe Dr. MacDonald knows of a study or studies of Jew mechanical aptitude?

  148. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    July 5, 2012 - 2:23 pm | Permalink

    @john7:

    The Bible is mythology with a very tenuous connection to actual history, at best. One criticism of the article is that the books of Ezra and Nehemiah are almost certainly not accurate descriptions of historical events, and the only “Babylonian Captivity” based on verifiable history is the “Babylonian Captivity” of the papacy in Avignon during the middle ages. One of Israel’s leading archaeologists has said there’s little evidence of the Biblical events found in Palestine, and another has recently described various digs as unscientific “tourist gimmicks.” The IAA is constantly uncovering politically and economically motivated frauds like the infamous “James Box” of recent years.

    History based on (supposedly) iron age religious fiction is dubious, at best, and it reflects quite poorly on the humanities that it lacks the objectivity and scientific rigor to revisit long disproven ideas about the ancient world.

  149. July 5, 2012 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

    @Kullervo:

    And Flavius Josephus is of course one of the best historical sources for the Roman world outside of Italy.

    The mainstream scholarly view is that Josephus is a very unreliable source. He gives conflicting versions of some events and the “Masada Massacre” for which he is the only source seems not to have occurred at all.

  150. July 5, 2012 - 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Jewish intelligence is adapted to an urban, commercial existence. They are weak in visual reasoning, strong in symbolic reasoning.

    Europeans tend to think visually. Plato’s philosophy culminates in mental images, “ideas.” Judaism by contrast prohibits “graven images” and Jewish art seems to tend strongly toward the nonrepresentational. Maybe lack of aptitude for representation lies behind this distaste. There is also a perception that the Jewish mentality in science tends to minimize visual representation in favor of what looks like mere manipulation of symbols.

    The view that Jews are highly intelligent is partially true, but not entirely. The deficiency in visual reasoning would be a real problem for them if they had to fend for themselves as a nation.

    It seems to me a dubious procedure to infer Jewish intelligence from professional or economic attainment. I saw some years ago a Canadian publication titled A Psychological Study of the Jew that presented figures indicating that the Jews in various professions were overachievers compared to their non-Jewish peers. The average Jewish physician or lawyer had a somewhat lower IQ than the average non-Jewish Canadian physician or lawyer. (Jewish M.D. or lawyer < Anglo-Saxon M.D. or lawyer)

  151. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    July 5, 2012 - 1:34 pm | Permalink

    I think one factor that pumps up Jewish IQ is the fact that Jews are taught to question others actions from a very early age. For example, do something nice for a Jew, and the Jew questions why you did it. You don’t find that behavior in gentiles very often.

  152. Kullervo's Gravatar Kullervo
    July 5, 2012 - 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Something interesting I noted the other day: it was an oriental Egyptian Jew who invented long division of polynomials back in the middle ages. And Flavius Josephus is of course one of the best historical sources for the Roman world outside of Italy. So it appears Jews were smarter than average even in the ancient world. I feel that the vast majority of ancient Jews must have converted to Islam or Christianity along the way however, the “hoi polloi”, leaving only a relatively high IQ elite. It seems to be a typical dynamic in societies that elite families hold on to there traditional religious identifications in the face of persecutions, probably because they are more capable of making their own way in high skilled jobs, than the average folk. Take the French Hugenots, for example. They became a diaspora after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1674, but produced a dazzling array of talents abroad. The Bernoullis, Abraham Demoivre, and numerous others. Quakers in England tend to be more talented than others as well. Frederick Sanger, only man to win two Nobel prizes in chemistry.

  153. Spartacus's Gravatar Spartacus
    July 5, 2012 - 1:17 pm | Permalink

    The US Ashkenazi IQ, which is very high compared to general Israel figures, need not completely be explained by evolutionary means. Maybe there is a simple selective = filtering process behind it. The average guy make it to Dizengoff Street in Tel Aviv, the brightest make it to Wall Street.

  154. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    July 5, 2012 - 12:47 pm | Permalink

    “it remains relevant given continuing interest in Jewish IQ—e.g., Richard Lynn’s The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement”
    I guess the ‘achievement’ part is where it becomes contentious. What can compare to the white (western) man’s ability to create a society/civilization that allows even it’s lowest citizens a sense of freedom/self-determination and the ability to transcend their own theoretical limitations whilst maintaining the non-jewish quality of achievement for posterity’s stake.
    ie. visionaries, leaders, warriors,artists, scientists etc who accomplished great things without expectations of material rewards… because an eternal force/higher-self/god/universe would be the truest Judge ??

    Anyway, 110 points for a self-styled elite cast, driven by eugenic practices and ideologically intent on materialistic causes doesn’t seem that impressive… Evaluating the top 10% of Euros (IQ wise) would probably be a more logical comparison given the diasporic/parasitic nature of Ashkenazis and co.

  155. Steve's Gravatar Steve
    July 5, 2012 - 12:28 pm | Permalink

    From my own observation, Jewish social skills are without compare. They have and will always rise to the top in most professions. And if you add their tribal networking attribute, then they obtain super power status unto themselves, which is obvious and prevalent today. No other race closely compares in this fashion.

  156. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    July 5, 2012 - 12:13 pm | Permalink

    @john7:
    Again that modern superstition of “Christian Identity”! Will it never stop?
    “White Folk” existed already 33,250 years before Abraham and 34,278 years before 722 BC, the date of the expulsion of the ten Northern tribes of Israel by the Assyrians, from whom according to the CI mythology all Europeans would descend.

    This is supposed to be an intellectualwebsite where ideas are based on facts not wishful myths.

  157. July 5, 2012 - 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Chris Brand has made note at various points in his blog
    commentaries of the gap for U.S. Jews as a group between (very) high verbal IQ and lower (but still high) performance/or non-verbal IQ. It tends to buttress the crude (and regrettable) characterization of Jews as “verbal engineers”. I find that I do not have the specific facts at hand about this
    general gap, but it is significant….and yet….very difficult to get nailed up for view.

    It is interesting that the late Hans Eysenck made the assertion in a debate in the UK that “In 1935 Stalin banned IQ testing as being ‘bourgeois’ while Hitler that year banned it as being ‘Jewish’ ” In fact, while the USSR had an explicit written ban with force of law, there was no official ban at all in Nazi Germany. However, IQ tests were not much in favor in Germany quite before the Nazis started impacting events there. When selection testing for the German armed forces was set in place in a large “crash” program in 1935, Jews were banned from serving in the military. Yerkes, the director of the U.S. Army “Alpha/Beta” IQ testing during WWI, commented in April 1941 that the Wehrmacht testing program had IQ elements sort of hidden in plain sight–i.e,., latent within a large system of assessment. However, the
    Wehrmacht testing, headed by German psychologist Max Simoneit, avoided yielding any IQ score and was shy about predictive validation. The program in a broad way resembled what was captured from the American OSS testing program in the book ASSESSMENT OF MEN. By 1941, however, the lack of efficacy in the massive and expensive German program, caused General Keitel to ban the whole thing. There is little
    indication that anywhere in the small world of German academic psychometrics, much was known of, or much regard was given to, the work of the British–of Spearman and “g” and factor analysis. In German academic work, some use of the German version of the Stanford Binet went on until shortly before the outbreak of war in 1939. There was, then, no Nazi ban on IQ testing. It is most likely the “war over IQ and ideology” was a campus war in Germany that would have shocked and nauseated Hitler, Goebbels, Goering if they had known anything about it. If Hitler had been briefed of the efficacy of the American WWI testing, he might well have put a German imprimatur on it of one kind or another and put it in place. The Germans under trial at Nuremberg included Geneal Keitel. All of them were required to take a crudely
    prosecutorial cobbled up translation of the Wechsler test.
    Keitel remarked during his testing how clear and ordered the tests were and what “a joke” the Wehrmacht testing program had been. His fate was sealed at the time, and it is unlikely he was influenced in his utterance by anything but his experience in ordering a review and study of the Wehrmacht program from which he deciced to pull the plug on it.

  158. omop's Gravatar omop
    July 5, 2012 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    A video of Jewish intelligence in action. When compared to the followers of the likes of John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Rush Limbaugh, Rod Parsley and others its obvious that IQ’s differ significantly.

    http://www.rt.com/news/israel-police-officer-kicks-palestinian-child-437/

  159. john7's Gravatar john7
    July 5, 2012 - 11:43 am | Permalink

    This is all very nice, but the basic premise is entirely incorrect. The jew today is NOT an Israelite of the Bible. Period. They even admit it themselves – see the jewish almanc ‘a question of identity’ in its 1981 edition, Koestler’s ‘Thirteenth Tribe’ , ‘Judahs’ Sceptre -josephs Birthright, etc etc ad nauseum. Even without that, simply reading the Biblical description of the Israelite/Hebrew, both physically and characteristically, precludes the jew from being a Biblical Israelite.
    When will ‘white folk’ wake up to their own identity and regain their position and countries?

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