The Racialization of American Politics Continues


Photo of hopelessly White Republican voters accompanying Ron Brownstein's "White like me"

Ron Brownstein has another piece on the racialization of American politics (“White like me: Almost all of the people voting in GOP presidential primaries are white. That’s not good for the party—or the nation.”) Brownstein, being a Jewish liberal, sheds crocodile tears about the plight of the Republican Party resulting from its “epic failure … to attract and engage minority voters. White voters, especially older ones, are routinely casting 90 percent or more of the votes in GOP contests this year, at least as high a proportion as in 2008.”

The 2012 election looks to be the most racialized in history (see also here and here).  Brownstein notes that in 2008, Obama was “the first presidential nominee ever to lose white voters by double digits and still win the White House. In 2012, as minorities loom larger in the vote, Obama could lose whites even more lopsidedly and still win reelection.”

Right. And at some point, Republicans are going to realize that they are between a rock and a hard place. If they try to appeal to minorities, they will lose their base. And the more they appeal to their angry White base, the more they drive minorities away. These Whites are uneasy “not only about activist government but also about the demographic changes swelling the minority population.” Indeed, in the absence of some very strong action, these changes will make Whites a minority in the country they once dominated demographically and culturally.  But as Pat Buchanan and others have found out, any mention of the impending minority status of White Americans has been expunged from polite society—including Republican presidential candidates.

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Brownstein emphasizes that if the GOP opposes immigration (“Mitt Romney has hurtled to the right on immigration”), they will alienate Latinos. It will only get worse in the future:

As population trends continue, the electoral math will grow more daunting for Republicans. If the GOP allows Democrats to continue winning four-fifths of all minority voters—as Obama did in 2008—Republicans will need to attract an implausibly high percentage of whites to win presidential elections. The conundrum is that the party’s current reliance on the most conservative whites constrains its ability to embrace policies attractive to minorities, as the harsh primary debate on immigration demonstrates.

Brownstein estimates that Obama can win with 39% of the White vote—and his tally of Whites includes Jews and Middle Easterners who do not identify as Whites and don’t vote like Whites. And if Obama wins with 35% or less of the traditional American majority, it should make even the most brain dead Republican realize that they are now a permanent minority party. It’s only going to be downhill from here as the percentage of White voters continues to decline.

But let’s be clear. It’s not just about immigration. In order to appeal to the vast majority of non-Whites, the Republicans would also have to be the party of entitlements for minorities and high taxes for their White base. Consider the situation in California. In a Wall Street Journal article (“California’s Greek Tragedy“), two Stanford professors, Michael F. Boskin and John F. Cogan,  note that

from the mid-1980s to 2005, California’s population grew by 10 million, while Medicaid recipients soared by seven million; tax filers paying income taxes rose by just 150,000; and the prison population swelled by 115,000. … With 12% of America’s population, California has one third of the nation’s welfare recipients.

These are truly amazing numbers. It reminds me of Menachem Rosensaft quoting Peter Brimelow’s claim that immigration is creating a “Spanish speaking underclass parallel to the African American underclass.” California, which used to be “paradise,” is “rapidly turning into Hispanic slum.”

Rosensaft is implying that Brimelow’s comments are completely unfounded, but the data presented by Boskin and Cogan show that the mainly Latino immigration onslaught unleashed by our hostile elites has resulted in a mass of poor, uneducated Californians who are certainly not going to vote for a party that wants to scale back government benefits. Just what are the Republicans supposed to do to appeal to these people without completely selling out any glimmer of conservative principles? The obvious message for White people is to leave the state as soon as possible.

Indeed, California is rapidly reaching a tipping point in terms of political power. A recent LA Times article notes that Democrats could pick up enough seats in the state senate to achieve “an iron grip — the rare and coveted two-thirds majority — on Sacramento’s upper house.” San Bernardino and Riverside counties are typical of the trends:

The most powerful undercurrents have been a torrent of newcomers and the new political districts, drawn by an independent commission after the 2010 census. Latinos, who as a group tend to vote Democratic, drove the influx of nearly a million new residents between 2000 to 2010 and now account for 2 million of the 4.2 million people living in the two counties .

Without being explicit, every California voter knows that a two-thirds majority in the state senate is the magic number that would unleash a tsunami of new taxes opposed by Republicans. To a vastly disproportionate extent, these taxes will be paid by the remaining Whites who will be paying for services disproportionately consumed by Latinos and other non-Whites. As all the research shows, Whites are not going to be willing to pay for public goods that will be consumed by non-Whites. It’s going to make for a very unhappy White minority. Just another cost of multiculturalism.

The clear message here is that Latinos will vote Democrat and that they don’t pay taxes, while sucking up benefits like Medicaid, education, and flooding the prison system. Republicans can’t possibly appeal to Latino voters without not only caving in on immigration (which would obviously exacerbate all the problems), but also advocating for higher taxes for their base to feed the insatiable immigration beast.

The obvious consequence is that even more Whites will leave the state, increasing the tax burden on those who remain. And the state as a whole will slip inexorably into a Third World disaster case, just as Brimelow said.

Brimelow also wrote that “As immigration policy drives whites into a minority, this type of interest-group ‘white nationalism’ will inexorably increase.”

Let’s hope so. And since the Republican Party is incapable of saving itself by adopting policies that would keep American a majority-White country, the long term solution is a third party representing the interests of White Americans: American Third Position and its presidential candidate Merlin Miller.

Right now, A3P and Merlin Miller are attempting to become the presidential candidate of Americans Elect, the group that has spent $40 million to qualify on the ballot in all 50 states. Right now, Miller is in 8th place,  and there is a real possibility that he could be very near the top if his supporters could be mobilized. The procedure is to go to Miller’s page and become a supporter. A warning: It is not easy to become a supporter. Americans Elect’s procedures are cumbersome, so that becoming a supporter requires patience and persistence, which is why so few people have managed to sign on as supporters. (This is true of all the candidates.) But it is a great opportunity to get some publicity for a very worthwhile cause.

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316 Comments to "The Racialization of American Politics Continues"

  1. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    March 17, 2012 - 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Merlin Miller needs to have a twitter presence. He should be tweeting at least 3 or 4 times a day. It would do him more good to be on twitter everyday than this questionable America’s Elect.(In my professional opinion Merlin’s got all he’s going to get out of America’s Elect.)

    Take a peek at how deftly non-candidate Donald Trump is using Twitter for political tweets.

    Why not use a free media, that all of the media uses, to advance the cause.

    How long would it take Merlin to compose a few tweets a day?

  2. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 17, 2012 - 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Whites cannot vote themselves out of this mess. How can Whites be so browbeaten that they’re willing to rely on democracy when it comes to their survival?

    “We vote not to genocide ouselves!”

    Completely incorrect attitude. How many votes did they collect for the establishment of Israel? None. How many votes were collected in favor of America breaking away from England? None. Democracy plays no part when it comes to things that matter, such as racial and cultural survival.

    I really think the focus should be on Europe anyway. Part of winning the war is knowing when to cut your losses. America is one of those losses. It’s half non-White already and it’s the most Jew-controlled of any nation on earth apart from Israel.

  3. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    March 17, 2012 - 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Right now a beginning Third Party shouldn’t try to win national elections, that would be a waste of effort. It should in stead concentrate on a single state with a small, predominantly white population such as Wyoming or North Dakota. Once it has “conquered” such a state it should try to stay in power for good by implementing sane pro-White policies that are popular with the majority. After such a success has been secured, expansion into other states would be possible. All great things start small.

    California is a living example of how not “race is a social construct” but how “society is a racial construct”.

  4. icr's Gravatar icr
    March 17, 2012 - 5:15 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    You have to use whatever is available to organize resistance. Notice that Communists and NSDAP and IRA/Sinn Fein participated in democratic elections whenever possible.

  5. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 17, 2012 - 5:31 pm | Permalink

    The fact is the Repubican elite are scum. Why? They don’t demand voter I.D. and a strict policy of making sure if those voting are even eligible. Latino’s, for example, we are constantly told have this huge impact. But how can that be? There are at least 20 million latinos’ that aren’t even eligible to vote. Thus, when the GOP doesn’t take advantage of this, they are creating their own doom.

  6. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 17, 2012 - 5:33 pm | Permalink

    @fender: I just read that Canada’s immmigration policy, is SUCKING IT DRY. The treason in western nations continues.

  7. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 17, 2012 - 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Everytime I see pictures of these solid and serene looking GOP voters, they have these expressions, fixed as it were ,by the dried syrup of yesterdays pancakes. Compare them to Democrat voters, animated and ready to get down and dirty. Just my personal thought on why I believe that party is useless as any instrument of change–they’re just going through the motions.

  8. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 17, 2012 - 6:49 pm | Permalink

    We certainly won’t have much success with you guys drumming up enthusiasm . The tide is beginning to turn. It is a good thing for groups of white people to get together and talk about the state of the country. Whites don’t like to reject others wholesale, but if minorities reject republicans because they are too white, that is a different story. Already, folks in the Tea Party have been willing to hold signs saying ‘you will call us racist no matter what we do.’

    There was a book out a couple of years ago with a title something like That’s not a radical – that’s my mom. As more and more moms get radical it will change things. The old taunts hold no power outside of the media. Between immigration, the unending lack of improvement in the black community- no matter how much we spend, and the financial crunch, everyone is rethinking things.

  9. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    March 17, 2012 - 7:03 pm | Permalink

    The problem is the treachery of “liberated” white women. They have deserted white men and family interests and display an intense hatred of white women who have not.

  10. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    March 17, 2012 - 7:17 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been actively reading what Ron Paul supporters have to say about Paul and his campaign. A picture of Paul gardening with his grandchildren prompted a heartfelt comment from one woman, “I love Ron Paul; he’s one of us!”

    That was clear racial identification – it could not have meant anything else. It appears that most Ron Paul supporters are male – young, white men – and I think they have created a strong masculine presence that should generate the gratitude and admiration of white women who seem to have lost their way.

  11. ProudWhiteTeenDude's Gravatar ProudWhiteTeenDude
    March 17, 2012 - 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans, White countries for everyone????????

    Everybody
    says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will
    be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY
    into White countries.

    The Netherlands and Belgium are more
    crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve
    this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote
    assimilating unquote with them.

    Everybody
    says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country
    and ONLY White countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all
    those non-Whites.

    What if I said there was this RACE problem
    and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of
    non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black
    countries?

    How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not
    talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to
    the BLACK problem?

    And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

    But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide
    against
    my race, the White race, Liberals and respectable conservatives will
    just say that I’m a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

  12. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 17, 2012 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    @S Fowler:
    I agree that feminism has been a disaster. I have more sympathy for young women that you seem to have. We now have two generations of women who have been intensely conditioned, from a very young age, to reject traditional gender relations, motherhood and femininity itself.

    The results are sad indeed. Throughout history, in nearly every culture, there has great sympathy for the lament of the barren woman. There are a lot of miserable women out there who are very unhappy, and do not understand why. They have done everything they were supposed to, and find themselves in a job that has become boring, but they are grateful to have it because they either never married or were divorced and have no children. It is not the bright, sophisticated life they were all told to expect. They are lost.

    Sadly, far too many believe that their only hope is the democrats continuing to play on their side. That is a problem, til the money runs out.

  13. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 17, 2012 - 7:43 pm | Permalink

    I agree about the poisonous democrats @Alice Teller: I agree about the poisonous democrats policies. On the other hand, when the Republican elite, start characterizing things like Social Security as being an “entitlment”, I start looking for a way OUT!! Are you kidding me, I say to myself. I’ve worked my whole life and have money taken out of my pay, and now that I expect it back with interest, I’m somehow entitled!! Rush Limbaugh and company can go to hell, if this is their agenda for people like myself. Why the hell don’t they call the grossly overpaid retirement pensions of public employees an “Entitlement”? They get on average twice what a poor sucker gets from Social Security. As far as I’m concerned, NEITHER OF THESE TWO PHONY POLITICAL PARTIES HAS A THING TO OFFER THE AVERAGE AMERICAN CITIZEN. That’s why I don’t care about what Republican said what about some Democrat,etc. Who gives a rats ass?

  14. March 17, 2012 - 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Pro-White voices have a strong presence in the comments section of Brownstein’s article. It’s worth heading on over to defend our legitimate ethnic interests.

  15. Bear's Gravatar Bear
    March 17, 2012 - 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Part of the key is going to be increasing White fertillity to arrest the demographic decline, increasing a sense of White indentity, deftly defending and exposing those that want to destroy us. This is not an impossible task. We now have enough experience to understand the haters of us and their techniques.

    And remember; donate to causes! Our enemies (its not too strong a word) donate.

  16. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 17, 2012 - 8:16 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    I certainly hold no hope for the establishment of either party. I would like to see a takeover of the republicans. It happened before when radicals took over the democrats back in the sixties.

    That does not change the fact that it is in feminists interest to vote for democrats.

  17. March 17, 2012 - 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Menachem Rosensaft, not Rosenaft. This is not the first time that he’s raised his head.

  18. HarryO's Gravatar HarryO
    March 17, 2012 - 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Limbaugh and Fluke (you know, the celebrated and superlatively shameless nympho), voter ID controversy (say what? Controversy over showing a mere ID at the voting booth?), states unable or too craven to control the immo disaster, including an ostracized and forlorn Az. (Is “states rights” invoked merely for laughs or is anyone left who takes the idea seriously?) Just a sampling of the latest madnesses that are afoot. I would like to be hopeful – I would love to be hopeful for the fruited plane but optomism here would require a religious status whose adherents possess a heaping helping of blind faith. I personally require my faith to entail a modicum of reason. Someone mentioned the beatific visages of the White folks above in their soon-to-be Republican pied-a-terre. Fifty years and more of an all-encompassing indoctrination of the basic loveliness of Negroes (adding continuously every other conceivable and inconceivable minority – read that: interest group), their victim status and the utter forbiddenness of race real-thought (to say nothing of real-speak or racial identification – vis-a-vis Whites) and you have two generations zombified on this issue and all its countless ramifications. BTW have I mentioned a word about a culture that would make a Communist blush? Sorry, but…our “goose is cooked.”

  19. March 17, 2012 - 8:27 pm | Permalink

    What would be nice is if the $40 million that Americans Elect blew on ballot-qualification could be spent instead on building White media and things like that. With mass-media you can affect public opinion and have improved possibilities in the future. The present electoral chances are dismal, and that huge sum of money, to put it honestly, is as good as thrown away.

  20. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    March 17, 2012 - 8:28 pm | Permalink

    The notion that GOP of 2012 is somehow pro-constitution, pro-European American and pro-national interest is a more gruesome joke than the ‘testimony’ supplied by Judaic ‘survivors’ of The Holocaust ® during the last trial of John Demjanjuk held in Germany. In which he was ‘positively identified’ by the former as the Treblinka camp guard in question. Sixty eight years after the alleged atrocities took place !

  21. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    March 17, 2012 - 8:55 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: The Ron Paul Republicans are against having money taken out of your pay in the first place. Paul points out that if instead of withholding we were required write a check to the government every month to pay for the government’s programs of military agression, bank bailouts, and debt to the Federal Reserve counterfeiting operation – we wouldn’t pay – there would be a revolution. Repairing the system while keeping the promises to those who depend on the system will not be easy but at least Ron Paul understands what has to be done – and it isn’t doing more of the same.

  22. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 17, 2012 - 9:01 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Alice, I totally agree. The democrats have a good scam going. I always love their characterization of the Republicans as the party against , THE POOR, MINORITIES, AND WOMEN. Ha, ha….that’s a laugh. They take woman away from men, they promise them some kind of nebulous ‘equality”, but considering how many single woman(the only kind they care about unless the husband is a democrat) are stressed, depressed, and anxious, they aren’t doing them any favors.

  23. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 17, 2012 - 9:06 pm | Permalink

    @HarryO: “Sorry but our goose is cooked?” Sure is HarryO, for all the reasons you gave and many, many more. Look at a state like California. It is now 75 percent controled by the worst kind of democrats. And of course, is TOTALLY COMPLETELY BROKE.

  24. pessimist's Gravatar pessimist
    March 17, 2012 - 9:24 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:

    The only reason California and other hard blue states facing the same situation have not defaulted is because of Federal funding from Obama.

    This life line is time limited though and the Demoncrats are sweating blood over this fact. Our economy is sick and getting sicker, state revenues are flat to declining. It’s just matter of time before we have Great Depression 2.0. When that happens watch out. And if anyone thinks the Mexicans and Blacks are going to sit quietly when their supply of free s**t stops coming as a result of a economic implosion? No, they’ll burn down those cities they live in for starters and probably end up starting the race war that many see as inevitable.

  25. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    March 17, 2012 - 9:30 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    American’s elect is not an explicitly White organization. I don’t know that they are even an implicitly White organization?

    Americas Elect, whoever they are, have hustled up some cash, and have about 20 web pages of potential candidates.

    Politics is hard work. Publicity & public relations are hard work. You can raise money, if you want to work at it.

  26. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 17, 2012 - 9:31 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    No, they aren’t. For at least 40 years we have all been playing let’s pretend we can make the world the way we would like it to be. No one should have to face the consequences of their own actions. Some folks call that enabling. The most evil action in a while was the ennobling of the single mother. It is not just a tough job, it seems to be a nearly impossible one to get right without a lot of family support.

  27. cecil henry's Gravatar cecil henry
    March 17, 2012 - 9:39 pm | Permalink

    This racial and cultural dispossession is genocide and needs to be responded to as such.

    How is this not Genocide? I will not tolerate it.

  28. Jared White's Gravatar Jared White
    March 17, 2012 - 9:40 pm | Permalink

    I hate to say this….but I think it will come to violence. I don’t see any other way. California passed Prop 187 to try to save the state, but the elites wouldn’t allow it and said the will of the people doesn’t matter. Consistently the elites have disregarded the will of the people, and eventually people will wake up to this fact and revolt.

  29. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    March 17, 2012 - 9:42 pm | Permalink

    @Jarvis Dingle-Daden: Ron Paul is not at ordinary Republican; his movement aims to revolutionize the Republican Party by adhering to the Constitution, ending the wars and military presence all over the world, ending the domination of the Rothschild, international banking system in our country, and repealing the Patriot Act and the NDAA. The Republican establishment
    will not survive the injection of new blood, but that is the only way the Party will survive.

  30. pessimist's Gravatar pessimist
    March 17, 2012 - 9:42 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    This is probably the smartest move. But even that is fraught with difficulty. The moment the Demoncrats/Republicans see this party gaining popularity they will infiltrate it and try wreck it from the inside. The party is going to need a strong vetting process for anyone holding any sort of power in the party.

    One thing this a nascent party needs to do is avoid bullshit social wedge issues like abortion(these issues divide and fragment voters like nothing else and is why both parties love using them). Focus instead on immigration enforcement, border security, nationalism, pride in Western society, economic populism, getting rid of foreign contract workers, buy American etc.

    The party should start small by taking over local city positions and then state level. Get your people in government and that way you can wield real power. Influence who becomes judges, DA’s, and sheriffs, etc.

    The national stuff comes last. Don’t make the mistake the Reform Party did and go for the brass ring while neglecting the state and local side.

  31. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    March 17, 2012 - 9:56 pm | Permalink

    @Jared White:

    They said the will of the people didn’t matter in the case of Proposition 8. They are saying today that the will of the people as expressed in the huge groundswell of support for Ron Paul will not matter because they control the media and elections are rigged. However, as people wake up to their disenfranchisement, revolution and violence seem to be inevitable.

  32. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 17, 2012 - 10:09 pm | Permalink

    @S Fowler:
    I still have hope that we can avoid violence for a while. I am heartened by the number of young people who are supporters of Ron Paul. These kids know they have been conned and lied to from nursery school. Someone who tells the truth is intoxicating to them.

  33. fabricius's Gravatar fabricius
    March 17, 2012 - 10:53 pm | Permalink

    they are not just pushing for white dispossesion, they are pushing everyone into a monster civil/racial/ethnic war whose casualties will make ww1 and ww2 look like kids play;
    that is what they are salivating for as we speak.

  34. John's Gravatar John
    March 18, 2012 - 12:18 am | Permalink

    @fender:

    Not exactly true. The UN voted for Israel’s creation and the Colonies voted to declare independence from Britain. Both of these votes were mostly symbolic though, and the real heart of both matters were settled with war.

    Whites simply cannot survive in this democracy anymore. The numbers are pretty firmly against a positive outcome for White interests. Even if American3P gathered steam, in states like California, Whites have already lost. California will soon resemble Rio, with ritzy gated communities and Latino and black hellholes everywhere else.

    The Republican party needs to wake up and realize that it is going extinct.

  35. Lancashire lad's Gravatar Lancashire lad
    March 18, 2012 - 12:47 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: @Bear:
    I think there needs to be an objective look at demographics and race. This seems to correspond to the transition from a high birth-rate high mortality undeveloped state to low birth-rate low mortality developed economy. Whites are the most advanced in this progression with the east asians currently at the “demographic dividend” stage (worth looking up on wikipedia).

    The problem is to deal with the lower IQ races, i.e. Africans, Latinos and probably Indians that are still at the high birth-rate stage and will alleviate their problems by immigration into more developed societies if they are allowed to.

    What I’m saying is that these economic/demographic trends play a part as well as ideologies. The ideologies may not be self-standing. We need to look at demographic theory to see what interests it serves as well though.

  36. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 18, 2012 - 12:53 am | Permalink

    @pessimist: Great comment. I like Mr. Ryckaert’s points, but fear the amount of money available and leverage that would be brought to bear against any credible A3P candidate counsel securing the ground from the bottom-up. And then some.

  37. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 18, 2012 - 12:56 am | Permalink

    @Freedom Cobra:
    Who buys these nazilike publications..
    NYTimes
    LATimes
    WashPost

    Today I saw one of the ‘latrinos’ on p.2 of LA Times bemoaning Cali Educational Financing crisis……
    gee wheres the crisis from? Endless Immigration and welfare programs plus the military!

  38. venonacables's Gravatar venonacables
    March 18, 2012 - 1:32 am | Permalink

    This is to Hadding Scott: I think I am starting to understand why you are so critical of Harold Covington. Covington talks about people who spend their entire lives spinning elaborate excuses to do nothing. Perhaps he hits a bit close to home.

  39. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    March 18, 2012 - 3:22 am | Permalink

    The 1978 passage of Proposition 13 in California showed that Whites would not willingly finance the transition to minority status that the multiculturalists had planned for them.

  40. Sean Grant's Gravatar Sean Grant
    March 18, 2012 - 4:07 am | Permalink

    @venonacables:
    Covington is active in White intrests. He is not anonymous is his writings. He has a plan and is doing his best to make it work.

    He is doing something. Commenters like Haddington Scott should take note. Wether they agree or dissagree with HAC. At least the man is out there in plain site promoting something.

    Haddington Scott couldn’t clean HAC boot’s on his best day.

  41. Sean Grant's Gravatar Sean Grant
    March 18, 2012 - 4:28 am | Permalink

    @Sean Grant:
    And I doubt , Haddington Scott, has ever worn boots in a combat situation.
    He just talks alot and provides no solutions. The typical, says alot and does nothing ,type of individual.
    Most here just ride on the coat-tails of KMD and argue over insignificant issues, that will not accomplish anything.
    Almost funny to read this at times.
    I almost feel sorry for the owner the of this site. He seems to want to effect the readership into active resistance, all he gets is a bunch of whiners quibling over non-sence and word play. The commenters here are the most thin-skinned and sensative bunch anywhere in the WN movement on the web. A far cry from those who will be tasked with doing something about it.

  42. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 18, 2012 - 6:23 am | Permalink

    Who is this “Americans Elect” organization? Are they pro-White in any way? Where did they get $40 million from?

  43. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 18, 2012 - 7:31 am | Permalink

    @Lancashire lad:
    I agree. We do not often admit that the real dilemma we face is a result of our humanitarian impulses. We have shared all advances in medicine, especially those that reduce child mortality. We assumed that the rest of the world would reduce the number of children they bear in consequence. They did not. I freely confess that I shy away from proposing an answer, other than refusing to let them come here.

  44. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 18, 2012 - 7:58 am | Permalink

    @fender: Sadly Fender you are probably right . The hostile elites must be doing this deliberately (how else could the powers let this disfunction flourish ) and obstruct any effort to prevent the slide of America into an ancient Rome situation : millions of plebs on permanent welfare .
    I hope Kmac you have a house or a share in a house in a orderly part of America as I think the NWO is going to crash the world financial system this year and change the rules . In the chaos I would guess that martial law will be declared , state borders will be locked down and only those with a place to go to or a high powered job and reason would be allowed transit . Would your Job at Uni be considered essential to this new order ? Really consider , does whats going on make any logical sense at all ? Its deliberate .
    This might sound alarmist but how would you control a country that went into mass chaos following world financial disintegration .
    Understandabley lot of people don’t want to look this devil in the eye but if we take the GFC and all indicators before hand , then in retrospect it was obvious ( the printing of money) . I think this is also obvious .The corrupt and brazen disregard for the legal system and the financial structure by the Federal government is signalling ,this is a fiat accomple : we encourage it , the republic is at an end .
    Pessimistic , I know but really consider what would happen if the money went to hell : You may be targeted by a death squad in chaotic Californication . My political horse sense is excellent .

  45. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 18, 2012 - 8:21 am | Permalink

    VOTE RIGGING : Here’s a little something I got of American Free Press

    Meanwhile, the little-mentioned Paul continues to draw more people than anyone at nearly every cam-
    BASED UPON A PHOTO FROM MOONBATTERY.COM
    paign stop. As a point of interest in the Maine fiasco, Washington County was the only county Paul carried in 2008. But its polls were never opened this year be- cause of an alleged snowstorm that turned out to be non-existent. Two other pro-Paul counties also showed a zero vote. When these were not included in the final count, party leaders were able to declare Romney the winner, by a scant 194 votes.
    In Charleston, S.C. in early January, the same night that Paul drew a cheering throng of 1,000 people to his political gathering, Gingrich had to cancel his meeting because he couldn’t attract enough of a crowd to fill a hotel meeting room. The following Sat- urday, Gingrich drew 42 percent of the vote in the state to slam dunk Romney while Paul wound up in a dismal fourth place. Is there something wrong with this picture?
    Ms. Harris tells us that not only is South Carolina “100 percent” electronic black-box voting, but that the boxes were packed up and trucked to Tampa, Fla. for final tabulation, creating another “chain of custody” suspicion.
    The recent Nevada caucuses smell “fishy,” accord- ing to Ms. Harris because, not unlike Maine, Romney was declared the winner with only 71 percent of precincts reporting. She also pointed out that “un- dercounting and overcounting” are rampant every- where.
    Los Angeles Times reporter Ashley Powers tells of being removed by security from the Nevada count because there was “no press allowed.”
    Jim Condit Jr. of Cincinnati has been exposing the ongoing nationwide election fraud almost as long as Ms. Harris has. His website, http://www.votefraud.org, has archived many of the crimes of years past as well as what happened recently behind the scenes at various voting precincts around the nation.
    The problem, as Condit notes, is out of control.

  46. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 18, 2012 - 8:28 am | Permalink

    @S Fowler: I think we have a troll . Divide and fight .

  47. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 18, 2012 - 8:57 am | Permalink

    @Sean Grant:
    This is something I think about often .There a lot of space waister here .Clogging the scroll . Nothing better do .

  48. Bear's Gravatar Bear
    March 18, 2012 - 8:58 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I suspect condeming ‘feminism’ or ‘liberalism’ will however not work. White racialists ( I call myself a White loyalist) have a wide range of personalities, outlooks and views and we will have within us people that are ‘feminists’ or ‘liberals’. In condeming feminism we may seek to attack gender-ethno-marxists who are waging an proxy ethnic war against us but we also risk alienating girls that just want to do what boys do such as have a carear or perceive femnism as ensuring they have time of work to deal with family issues and can expect decent behaviour of society towards women. Likewise with the word liberal. Hell, I’m probably ‘liberal’ in many senses of the word and I am a great deal more tollerant than most Liberals. These words have been stollen and redefined so as to undermine us. The opposit of liberal is biggot the opposit of feminist is mysoginist. We have the negative opposit applied to us.

    The sad thing about feminism is reminiscent of the recent series or articles by Alexander Mikhaylov on the Soviet Counter culture “the system” which he more or less states as a disingenious jewish scam which left its naive fawning non-jewish participants with wrecked lives while its jewish cogniscenti simply abandoned after playing it for a while.

    Many young female lives have been wrecked by the gender-marxist form of femisim while the ‘alphas’ in the movement have simply gone on to get married and have children. This is because “feminism” isn’t about improving the behaviour of ‘some men’ towards women and equal rights as it is perceived to be was about waging a subversive cultural war in the guise of the above. One gets the impression that feminism merely is another sub-cultural pop movement joined by White women as a marker of identity, a niche pop ‘sub cutlture’ to confer identity.

    White societies are not perfect, we need mechanisms to adress our faults, we must be sure to deal with our own faults before outsiders use it as an opportunity to split us. This is what happened with feminism, it was hijacked.

  49. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 18, 2012 - 9:46 am | Permalink

    @Bear:
    No feminism was not hijacked, it was a movement of Jewish women from the start. It was well suited to them. They had no reason to be grateful to their men. Traditional Jewish women were held in low esteem, were expected to support the family while bearing and raising children, while their men studied and pontificated. It was a scam from the beginning, foisted on us by the united front of the Jewish media.

    While affirmative action benefited Jewish women more than any other single group, it was not to the benefit of white women. We always had the option to work. All it did for white women was to cause two people to work for the price of one.

    I love the term white loyalist. Feminism taught white girls that they owed loyalty not to their own people, families, husband and children, but to the rainbow coalition fighting for their freedom. The results have been dismal. We have lost the freedom to rear our own children in a protected environment. All societal indicators show the downhill trend. Most of all, it is based on the interchangeability of men and women. Our children are suffering the consequences.

    If we really care about white folks, we must find a way to repair the sad state of gender relations today. Men and women must relearn the fine art of getting along and respecting each other. Then we will have more children raised in a healthy environment. Without that, nothing else much matters.

  50. March 18, 2012 - 10:37 am | Permalink

    @venonacables: @Sean Grant:

    Hadding Scott seems very admirable in a lot of ways.

    Maybe you don’t understand his contribution. It’s possible that he does much more to help White people than either of you.

    Only God can see the whole picture.

    But from what I can see, Hadding Scott is an indispensable member of this community. I don’t necessarily agree with some of the things he writes, or this or that. But overall his presence here is admirable and seems very helpful.

    Have a good Sunday everyone.

  51. March 18, 2012 - 10:53 am | Permalink

    Thanks to Dr. MacDonald for his great contribution to White people.

    Thanks for the article, and thanks to all the commenters under it; like a beautiful light shining, helping to guide White people out of the darkness.

    Sometimes I want to express my love and gratitude for all the people who come here with good intentions. I see myself in most of the comments. Many of us can relate to each other’s concerns and suffering; suffering that is the result of caring about White people while watching bad things happen to them/us.

    But we Whites aren’t blameless victims. Some of the powerful Whites have sold out the average White person. And the average White person isn’t blameless either. A lot of modern Whites are selfish and hedonistic.

    This unhealthy inner state of White people is very much related to the outer state of things, the statistics and the images on the evening news**. Which is why some people propose an inner moral regeneration as the essential first step and foundation for any pro-White movement.

    **I don’t watch the evening news.

    Take care all.

  52. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 18, 2012 - 11:10 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Alice, You are exactly the type of person we need on the Council of Elders! I suggest you be drafted as soon as possible. Not because you are perfect, or you know everything, but because you understand the primacy of children, family, and race….. IN THAT ORDER!
    God created men and women opposite not so they could be “equal” but so they could have children. Without children equality, however defined, is moot. Likewise the race, and indeed the whole human species. You said it better than I could (And I’ve had 40+ years of practice)
    The way forward for our RACE imo will never, NEVER be found in political/idiological schemes, But by educating people about the destructive effects of mythical “equality” on the CHILD and FAMILY.
    People must understand the “economy stupid!” The Natural division of labor that held the family together for 10,000 years has been destroyed by technology and thus the family is under attack from all directions. and when the family goes, the race has usually already went. The jews themselves are becoming victims of placing all the emphasis on race and NONE on family. Their divorce and intermarriage rate is skyrocketing as is their addictions to drugs and porn.
    Faced with what is sure to be racial extinction and probably extinction of the whole human species, we need people like you in leadership positions, not to take us back, but to take us forward.
    Alice Teller…I nominate you to be drafted into the Council of Elders!!

  53. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    March 18, 2012 - 11:26 am | Permalink

    Ron Paul is a vicious race-replacement enthusiast. I could care less if the primaries have been rigged against him.

  54. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    March 18, 2012 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    @Bobby:Brother Bobby – if you want to hit yourself a good lick with a cattle prod on this issue, check this article out:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/6-reasons-why-never-retire-164549581.html

    Notice the author: Philip Moeller. More than likely, this guy is a jew – and as we all know, it has been jews and their treasonous white sabez goy puppet politicians who are responsible for the financial and economic plundering and deliberate financial mismanagement of America.

    This is the kind of devious theme that I’ve been noticing being pushed more and more, by these so-called ‘investment’ or ‘economic and financial advice’ experts, as the tsunami of Baby Boomers who are now beginning to retire steadily increases. Judas Goat talking heads like Rush Scumbaugh and his ilk are paid to parrot the same kind of manure.

    Another conniving spin maneuver that I am seeing more and more, is an effort by these very same slime balls to deliberately and maliciously try to blur the lines of distinction with regards to ‘earned entitlements’ and ‘unearned entitlements’. Actually, to basically try to erase it totally – and present the entire ‘entitlement’ issue as though there are millions and millions of Americans who are lazy, useless, welfare and social entitlement devouring dead beats.

    My cynical instincts immediately picked up on this sneaky effort – I knew right away what these lying, deceitful slime balls were trying pull over on the American working public.

    Here’s the deal: As a direct consequence of the criminal financial malfeasance and outright fraud that the politicians who’ve been in our US Congress and subsequent White House Administrations have been committing over the last 50 or more years – and by that, I mean stealing funds from the Social Security so-called ‘trust fund’ and – ever since 1987, these same thieves have been also stealing funds from the US Government’s federal employee’s TSP G Fund and then sticking worthless IOU’s in the place of those ‘borrowed’ dollars – and then spending the dollars that they STOLE via misappropriation – from millions of American citizens who were forced to make contributions to those programs, and who in the case of SSA – were not allowed to opt out – these rats blew those dollars by dumping them into the general fund and then spending our money on day to day government operations.

    So, now that these politicians see the Big Baby Boomer retirement tsunami heading right at them like a Semi-Tractor Trailer Truck barreling down the highway dead at them – and they also see the massive unfunded liabilities for SSA and Medicare, and for US Government and US Military retirement pensions and benefits hanging over their heads, and since they know that the sheeple are going to be really, really, really HOT UNDER THE COLLAR when those EARNED entitlements that they were forced to contribute towards for their entire working careers suddenly are declared null and void by the very thieving government who stole that money instead of investing it and making sure their obligations to retirees would be honored.

    Here’s another angle that deserves mention. These ‘neo-conservatives’, who are ideological followers of Leo Strauss, who are actually Trotskyite Communists and who are hell-bent on endless aggressive, unprovoked, murderous wars of imperial conquest all over the planet – have long resented the idea that the US Government has certain financial obligations and commitments that it has been expected to honor, such as making good on the promises associated with the Social Security System, and other earned entitlement programs, as well as our liberal created, bloated welfare and social (unearned) entitlement bureaucracy. Well, in the fevered and criminal minds of these neo-cons, they see earned and unearned entitlements as the same thing (which they are NOT) – and these entitlements are costing the US Government money ( money that is OURS to begin with, mind you ) that the neo-cons would rather use to finance their endless unprovoked murderous wars of criminal aggression all over the planet.

    So, here is what writers of articles like this one and Rush Scumbaugh are attempting to do: Prepare the gullible American public (the sheep) to accept the idea that ALL entitlements are actually nothing more than unearned welfare and then the US Government (controlled by war mongering, blood thirsty neo-cons) can and should RENEGE on their unfunded liabilities for Social Security, Medicare, US Government and US Military retirement pensions and benefits.

    Don’t fall for this baloney. And, how Rush Scumbaugh or Sean Insanity or any of these despicable ‘neo-con’ sellouts in the talk radio or Faux News media can still have a single White listener or viewer is a testament to just how dumbed down the average White American has become.

  55. Ex-Pro White Activist's Gravatar Ex-Pro White Activist
    March 18, 2012 - 11:42 am | Permalink

    Dr. MacDonald,

    And since the Republican Party is incapable of saving itself by adopting policies that would keep American a majority-White country, the long term solution is a third party representing the interests of White Americans: American Third Position and its presidential candidate Merlin Miller.

    Could you please explain the logic of this conclusion given the facts you laid out? I don’t see the two have any relationship at all. What will be the point of whites politically racializing in California at this late date given an effective ‘non-white lock’ on CA state government? And is there the slightest evidence this political racialization is proceeding in CA?

    Right now, A3P and Merlin Miller are attempting to become the presidential candidate of Americans Elect, the group that has spent $40 million to qualify on the ballot in all 50 states. Right now, Miller is in 8th place, and there is a real possibility that he could be very near the top if his supporters could be mobilized.,

    Caveat Emptor. If people want to believe a Jewish founded, Jewish funded and Jewish controlled entity like “Americans Elect” would ever nominate Merlin Miller, do so.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_Elect

    It was founded by Jews, (CFR no less!), funded by Jews and the only paid consultant is a Jew.

    And this is the A3P’s grand strategy to get Merlin Miller on the ballot? At best this ‘strategy’ only looks like another fix of E-Z Hopium to me. At worst it looks like a counter-intelligence honey trap set up by the ADL.

  56. NowSwimBack's Gravatar NowSwimBack
    March 18, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    I think it’s important for Americans to be reminded that the growth in the nonwhite population, as well as most of the other disastrous policies in this nation, were not put into place by ‘the consent of the governed.’ For example, the people of this nation never consented to the Immigration Act of 1965. I would guess that most people at that time certainly would have opposed it. So the Jews and the traitorous non-Jewish elite went ahead and pushed it through with little fanfare, and the average American probably had no idea what was going on. And that’s pretty much the way things have been run in this country since the “good guys” won World War II. The elite have pushed through every disastrous policy they could get away with and have deliberately coordinated with the media to keep the news hushed up so that Americans would have no idea what was happening until it was too late.

    That is what your government ‘by the people and for the people has become.’ The game is already rigged in favor of those who DO NOT WANT the immigration policy to change, and who DO NOT WANT the few remaining immigration laws to be enforced. Those who think the elite would ‘just go along’ with an even moderately pro-White candidate being elected to ANY office, especially on the federal level, and say, “Oh well fellas. We lost this one. That’s just democracy,” are playing a loser’s game.

    And even if someone like Merlin Miller were to be elected president, he wouldn’t get anything through Congress. He’d have to rule by executive order and there would be uprisings, riots, etc., and most Americans would stand aside and watch indifferently as the country burned, as they already have on so many other occasions.

    I’m not trying to be discouraging, only to get you to recognize the age we live in and the situation we face. As soon as we recognize that, then we can start working towards a REAL solution to the problem.

  57. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 18, 2012 - 12:32 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    Hi Richard, Since there is no comments section on your blog, I will tell you here how much I enjoy it. Your photo of the night sky is beautiful. Keep up the good work. Alice

  58. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 18, 2012 - 12:56 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:
    Thank you for the kind words. Children are the primary concern, of course, but feminism has also robbed us of much of the fun and joy, not to mention dignity, in life. It is far more fun to revel in our differences than to try and minimize them. I believe that was done to hide the the fact that Jewish men are so often wimpy Momma’s boys and Jewish women are very aggressive.

    I also care about the happiness of men and women. Look at any young couple, trying to juggle two careers, and a new baby and it is a sad sight. The most joyful time of their life becomes a blur of fatigue, stress, and often grief, because women are pretending that leaving the most precious being in their life with strangers is not painful.

    I also think that this is why far too many are willing to drug their children for things like ADD. Young boys simply do not fit well into an over-scheduled life. They need exercise not drugs.

    The simple truth is, despite appearances, women do tend to be more compliant, which is why they are preferred in the work force. Rather than comply with nature the poor souls are trying desperately to comply with a system bent on their destruction. The results are very sad indeed.

    I urge you to be careful what you call for. I am one of those Christians you hold in such contempt.

  59. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 18, 2012 - 1:35 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    “I really think the focus should be on Europe anyway. Part of winning the war is knowing when to cut your losses. America is one of those losses. It’s half non-White already and it’s the most Jew-controlled of any nation on earth apart from Israel.”

    I respectfully disagree. Europe is not interested in taking in any White diaspora or the White Rhodesians or White South Africans would not be marooned on that continent waiting for a “Night of the Long Knives” or Uhuru-type genocide. Every black African or Arab or Pakistani Muslim will take precedence over any of us.

    White Americans need to stay put, establish easily defensible and affordable PLEs. The idea is affordable family formation so that they can acquire more curb space. It is also called “terra-forming.”

    White America can still “cut its losses” without further marginalizing itself into refugee status in countries that are not only as hostile to them as their own government, but where they can’t even speak the language.

    It’s called “starving the beast.”

    Make less money and more children.

    Buy less and save more.

    Hunker down and live simply.

    Throw all your time and money into acquiring survival skills. Hunting, gardening, self-defense, trades, etc.

    We are shutting down anti-White newspapers, magazines and periodicals by not supporting them right now. The television news channels are bleeding red right now.

    If racially aware Whites find ways to put the idea of a boycott-strike into the White collective consciousness, we will have a formidable leaderless resistance. This will be another spontaneous, organic grass roots movement that our enemies will be powerless against.

    Remember. No one can force you to limit the number of children – yet! No one can force you to work over a hundred hours a week – yet! No one can force you to go into a consumer feeding frenzy and further immerse yourself into debt-slavery.

    It is perfectly legal to have no outstanding bills. It is perfectly legal to keep using older, but perfectly working vehicles and appliances. It is perfectly legal to save your time, effort, and money.

    The only thing White Americans need to escape is the rat race.

    Once we do, there will be no money to pay welfare benefits and there will be no need to hire Latina live-in nannies or Mestizo construction workers.

    As far as any feral Negros are concerned, let the metropolitan Jews and other disingenuous White liberals living in these huge cities deal with them. Let’s see how quickly they believe in law and order and lose interest in coddling these masses of black asses once they are storming their gated communities to rape, rob, and kill them!

    We don’t have to engage in any “Antisemitic” pogroms in the USA, but we CAN let the Jews deal with the consequences of their own stupidity when they encourage racially cohesive minorities who are greedy and hostile in their own right to act up against the host nation which they control.

    If Whtes wise up, live below their means and produce no more than what is absolutely necessary to maintain themselves and their families, the government is going to run out of money for all these social programs and the hostile elite is going to have to deal itself with the hostility of people they have encouraged to have a sense of entitlement all their own. They will have to deal with the monsters they have created.

    All Whites need to do is “play dead.” To all intents and purposes, as all these crowing and gloating articles to that effect have crowed about, Whites have been completely cut out of the process, because they have become irrelevant in America, anyway.

    Fine. Then we have NO vested interest in knocking ourselves out to keep things running. Let THEM handle it without our help or our support.

    We need to take our own scorched earth approach to things. Better to allow the whole thing to go down NOW in a crash that WE can somewhat control then watch THEIR piecemeal destruction of this country finally coming to culmination when our numbers are too small and marginalized to rebuild.

    Starve the beast. Let’s start now.

  60. Bear's Gravatar Bear
    March 18, 2012 - 1:41 pm | Permalink

    @icr:

    Indeed, this legitimizes the struggle.@Alice Teller:

    While on the whole I can agree on your overall points can we realistically conceive a situation where lower wages are stipulated for women or even the vote for women is removed. I rather doubt it. Immagine someone in the WN movement supporting such an idea, it would very easily paint us as retrograde Neanderthaals not matter that it is no more bizzare than orthodox jewish behaviour. In fact universal sufferage and equal pay were the intrinsic end result of the high status of women in White/Western societies quite appart from any judeo-feminist involvement: they merely claimed it as a victory of theirs used it as a wedge tactic. They succesfully linked Discriminating against a White woman (50% of our race) to the same level as as discriminating against an affirmitive action immigrant minority that needs boosted educational qualitifcations and racial quotas to compete for a job.

    Indeed putting women into the workforce though presented a ‘liberation’ has merely created more opportunities for usuary and debt slavery of the west where two working incomes are now required to service a mortgage and most jobs seem to be nothing but support for recreation mall shopping. The labour of White couples now goes to feeding mortgages that feed real estate bubbles and the blood sucking vampires harvesting the serfs. The shortage in workforce labout is made up by immigration which drives up housing costs further and wages down further as well.

    If we were to immgaine how a White centric feminism would have evolved in its natural form uncorrupted I would assert the following:
    1 It would have been essentially harmonius with the nuclear family structure rather than antagonistic.
    2 It would have supported repeated exit and re-entry into the workforce for women and supported the special biological needs of the female half of our race.
    3 Most poignently it would not have been deliterious on its own to fertillity. The salient characteristic of the feminist lobby is its implacable opposition to any measures that would support the nuclear family and of making it easier to raise a larger family. This is actually bizzare but makes sense if we view “feminism” as it has developed as a way of reducing White fertillity.

  61. March 18, 2012 - 2:07 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Thanks, Mrs. Teller. I hope others enjoy my blog or find it useful in some way.

    It’s nice to receive a compliment from someone I respect.

    Regarding something you wrote in a different comment:

    I also think that this is why far too many are willing to drug their children for things like ADD. Young boys simply do not fit well into an over-scheduled life. They need exercise not drugs.

    That seems true. Children (and adults) need exercise and a healthy, natural diet; not processed, sugary foods. Also, getting ourselves away from an ADD-inducing television/music culture is helpful.

    Of course some people, like the drug companies and even some of the doctors, would rather make money than actually help people. They focus on trying to treat the symptoms instead of the obvious root.

  62. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 18, 2012 - 2:09 pm | Permalink

    @Bear:
    We agree on much. I really think that we need new thinking. If you read feminists from the Betty Friedan era, the extent to which they denigrate and scorn motherhood is shocking. Few young women read these texts.

    I put my hope in the natural desire for young people to do things differently than their parents did. Of course, the media will fight us every step of the way.

    We must simply rely on the truth. The vast majority of women would prefer to stay home with babies, but have been terrified that it will hurt their careers. By the time they have children, they are often in so much debt that they cannot afford to stay home. It makes for a lot of unhappiness.

    My call is for white freedom, not debt slavery.

  63. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    March 18, 2012 - 2:45 pm | Permalink

    @Ex-Pro White Activist:

    I’m sure that in the end Americas Elect will do whatever is good for the Jews & Israel. :)

    In many ways the CFR is a much more dangerous Jewish organization than the SPLC or the ADL. They play in a much bigger league.

  64. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 18, 2012 - 2:57 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra:

    I agree with this, with one reservation, unless these PLE families live (and WORK) on farms, larges families will often be self defeating. Mexico is full of large families..so poor they can’t even feed themselves. Especially if the PLEs are of a Christian bent the later-born children will have a hard time of it.
    I think large families is great only in a Natural Polarity type situation, where there is a clear division of labor along gender lines, thus mitigating the ill effects of Birth Order Degeneration.

  65. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    March 18, 2012 - 3:03 pm | Permalink

    The speed with which California could go from riches to rags is shocking. It has fallen apart in a few decades.

  66. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 18, 2012 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    As i told someone the other day…yesterday in fact. “I could hold my nose and swallow Christianity if Ben Klassen were in the pulpit” So it is with you. It is CHRISTIANITY I have a problem with, not individuals, sorry if I gave that impression. That said it is no secret I think the vast majority of Christians are phony, two-faced idiots, you are not in that group. Though I think you would benefit greatly from abandoning faith is the supernatural, you have much to offer and I stand by your selection to be drafted.

  67. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 18, 2012 - 3:19 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Just a thought; if all women with kids under the age of puberty were to quit their jobs to nuture,supervise, and teach their kids at home how many jobs would be created overnight?

  68. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 18, 2012 - 3:42 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:

    I am going to assume that your comments are meant as compliments. I understand, and respect your right to have no religion. I also accept that many nominal Christians, like all other people, are imperfect. Despite that reality, I would ask that those among us who suffer from spiritual autism refrain from criticizing something they have no real understanding of. It is like someone who is tone deaf judging music or the color blind dictating the color scheme to be used by all.

    What whites need, above all, is numbers. It is a fools game to indulge our personal preferences and express contempt for white groups who may be or become our allies.

    It is interesting to note that prior to affirmative action, many employers had a preference for married men with dependents.
    To some extent, this was based on the pragmatic note that a man who needs the job is well motivated, but also on a sense of basic decency. This was to the benefit of both the black and white communities. It is interesting that as women entered the workforce, the number of people on government payouts soared.

  69. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 18, 2012 - 4:31 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra:

    Those are all 20th century (and even 19th century) tactics. Boycott, farm, have more children, etc. Today’s wars are intellectual wars. The most intelligent and coordinated people are going to rule the future. It’s not enough to have children, you have to have smart, pro-active, well-educated children. Otherwise all you’ll be doing is breeding a race of dumb White farmers who’ll be ruled out of Beijing, Seoul, Tel Aviv, Hong Kong, etc.

    I’m not concerned with the number of White people in the world, I’m concerned with the quality of White people in the world. What good is it if we have land and numbers but no real power or influence? We need White bankers, intellectuals, scientists, and politicians all working for the promotion of their own race. We have intelligent White people today obviously but the vast majority of them devote their intellect to things that are harmful to their own people.

    If you’re hoping for some kind of red state rebellion, forget it. You think the federal government will ever allow that to happen? If they even had a suspicion of a state becoming some kind of “White homeland” they’d be sending in the drones and high-level bombers before you could say “secession.” It’s all a matter of which current governments are least hostile to Whites, and most of those governments are found in Europe. Those are nations Whites should focus on.

  70. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    March 18, 2012 - 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Never neglect to pose the question Cui Bono, coined by the Hebrews’ then “favorite” people on earth i.e. ancient Romans: Who Stands To Benefit ?
    For starters, check up on the unkosherized edition of Gloria Steinem’s biography.

  71. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    March 18, 2012 - 6:47 pm | Permalink

    @Free Thinker: Vote rigging and media manipulation has been going on for at least the last fifty years but it worked best before we had an alternative news source; the internet is a game changer.

    There is a difference between hearing that there is possible fraud between two establishment politicians and being defrauded oneself.

    We have yet to see what will happen when a critical mass of Ron Paul supporters are blatantly disenfranchised. This isn’t about shutting out Ron Paul, but the audacity of shutting out Americans who believe in something.

  72. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 18, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Luke,@Luke: Luke, thank God for your cynical instincts. It’s a pleasure to know that some Americans, at least, are as in tune with this crap as you are. Thanks for the reference, and I’ve noticed this same duplicitous B.S. going on in the media–how Americans can “SURVIVE” the coming tough economy or some such b.s. wording they use. Now wait a minute here I say to myself, why in the hell is it suddenly such a murderously tough economy; a question you answered so excellently. Yeah, it’s spin alright. Twenty four hours a day non-stop deception by the suck up main stream media with an agenda–how to keep the American public butt dumb.

    Luke, you so nailed the criminal process that has taken place for fifty plus years in Congress and the Senate, where the overly trusting American public as been shamelessly robbed of their inheritance and used to carry out the sick agenda’s of the elite. Everytime I hear CRAP, like the type that is asked on some of the stupid Sunday morning political shows, where for example, some clown “journalist’s” ask some equally clownish congressman, senator, etc., “is Israel going to attack Iran?,” it could make me want to run to the bathroom. Why is it that millions of Americans can’t even fathom the lunacy of such a question?

    And Luke, to end my rant, I agree with you completely on the damage people like Rush Limbaugh do. I never listened to the guy regularly, but a friend of mine imagines him to be the best thing to happen since the invention of white bread. That’s a joke. I turned the radio on one day, driving to work, and idiot drug addict, Limbaugh, was solemnly swearing his allegiance to the state of Israel. He said that he openly admitts supporting everything they do and is 100percent behind them. Oh, I see, I thought to myself. This is the clown, that every single day lectures Americans on our greatness, our independence and the principles of the “founding fathers”, but apparently forgot what Washington said about being not being connected to “favorite” nations” and warning the new nation about foreign entanglements. Then I turned his ass off and turned to my favorite jazz station. I urge everyone here ot read Lukes message, because it so damn nails what has happened to us sheep.

  73. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 18, 2012 - 6:54 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    Hey Richard – I really liked the blog and will go there again. You know what….about that time I judged you….I’ve realized something. I got it wrong…I was projecting on that day. I was judging myself.

  74. Massah's Gravatar Massah
    March 18, 2012 - 6:58 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    You are right. Europe is the last hope and it should be salvaged. Europe’s muslim problem is fixable because their numbers are nowhere near what black and Hispanics are in the US. Europe has far right parties gaining ground in Hungary, Austria, Holland, France, Italy and Switzerland. Even Spain is leaning to the right. Where is the far right party here? Oh, yeah, A3P. Who the hell has heard of it except for people on the Alt-Right, WN?

    Also, whites in the US who are homesteaders or Red State hillbillies are more often than not dullards or bible thumpers. Plus most of them do not weigh under 300 pounds. These are not the people I would like to associate with, white or not. Europeans are much more sophisticated and will throw off the scourge faster than the Americans. The reason being, and I believe you already mentioned this, is that the US is completely controlled by Jews. The US Govt is a military-industrial complex that has no loyalty to the people that live on the land called the ‘United States’. If there is ”secession”, who gets the nukes? Who pays the 14 trillion debt? Secession is not an option and even if it was, the States that would secede, no educated person would want to live in.

  75. Ex-Pro White Activist's Gravatar Ex-Pro White Activist
    March 18, 2012 - 7:38 pm | Permalink

    “I’m sure that in the end Americas Elect will do whatever is good for the Jews & Israel. :)”

    So am I.

    In many ways the CFR is a much more dangerous Jewish organization than the SPLC or the ADL. They play in a much bigger league.

    Yes. The practical question is why pro-white minded people would want to gratuitously fill out a questionnaire at such a website which requires using their real names and a phone number for verification?

    There is a barn door down there big enough for a herd to stampede through to allow data sharing with the ADL, Mossad, FBI and anyone else.

    http://www.americanselect.org/privacy

    Sharing with Third Parties

    We do not sell your personal information to third parties. We may share your personal information with third parties for a variety of reasons. In addition to sharing your personal information with third parties who provide services to us, we may share your information:

    * with third parties responsible for checking your information against voter registration databases
    * as required by law and when we believe in good faith that disclosure is necessary to protect our rights or those of third parties, protect your safety or the safety of others, investigate fraud, or comply with a court order or other legal process
    * in connection with a corporate change including a merger, acquisition or sale of assets.

  76. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 18, 2012 - 7:41 pm | Permalink

    @Massah:
    Here we have it once again. An entirely gratuitous series of insults to another group of white people. Isn’t this site supposed to be for white folks?

  77. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 18, 2012 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I have to agree with you Alice. Time and time again, we can see how Hollywood targets these red state people, calling them degenerate(quite a charge coming from Hollywood) too fat, too lazy, smoke too much, are missing some teeth, actually accept the confederate flag is being part of American history, might be sodomites,(again this coming from Hollywood) like in the anti-white movie “Deliverance”etc. I don’t think that at this point IN TIME, European AMericans should be critized for anything, just as a matter of principle. Now I have to qualify these comments because I’m guilty of the same stuff, BUT IT NEVERTHELESS IS A GOOD THING YOU POINT OUT ALICE.

  78. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 18, 2012 - 8:37 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “respect your right to have no religion”
    Oh but i DO have a religion. I believe in the God of Nature. I just don’t believe egotheistic Gods.
    Furthermore regarding Christian being possible allies, how can one be allied with those who are working to destroy not just the race but the family as well. We might just as well be allied with the Jews. When Christians start voting in the interests of Family, I (might) consider a temporary alliance of expedience, nothing more.

  79. March 18, 2012 - 9:46 pm | Permalink

    What Clytmnestra said @ 1:35 pm.
    What Mickey Meadows said@ 6:54 pm
    What Alice Teller said just about everywhere.
    Massah can stuff it.

  80. Allen's Gravatar Allen
    March 18, 2012 - 9:50 pm | Permalink

    @Free Thinker: Good point Free Thinker :

    .The corrupt and brazen disregard for the legal system and the financial structure by the Federal government is signalling ,this is a fiat accomple : we encourage it , the republic is at an end .

  81. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 18, 2012 - 9:51 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    Thanks for the support Bobby. We have a lot of old, bad habits to break. I have no problem criticizing people. One can do so without resorting to rudeness. I object to cheap shots which are often based on ignorance and what I can only imagine is some sad desire to convince the smart, sophisticated enemy that we may be white but we are not like *those* people. I am proud to be white. I don’t condemn whole subsets of whites. Hell, Bobby, I’m even polite to Yankees!

  82. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 18, 2012 - 10:00 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:
    You want to be allied with me. I am a Christian. Are you so sure there are not a lot more just like me who are not going to be persuaded by anyone who insults them and their kin so casually?

  83. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 18, 2012 - 10:01 pm | Permalink

    @Brandon:
    You are too kind, but I sure do admire your taste. Thanks.

  84. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 18, 2012 - 10:03 pm | Permalink

    @Ex-Pro White Activist: F..Me , this is absurd . Whats the story Kmac ?

  85. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 18, 2012 - 10:04 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    You misunderstand me. I am not advocating a de jure secession by “red states,” but a de facto return to the autonomous republic that “these United States” were originally intended to be.

    To me, the South made the biggest mistake imaginable by formally seceding from the union rather than simply refusing to heed any laws. For example, so what if a cabal of northern politicians imposed higher taxation. Their states did not have to send them in.

    I am not proposing that we breed a bunch of ignorant hicks but renaissance men who can recognize that they may need to see a professional doctor twice a day, but also that they have to eat three times a day and require basic shelter with running water and working electricity.

    Unfortunately, you have absorbed a parasitic type of thinking that shuns physical skill in favor of simply making money off of working, productive people. We don’t necessarily need more White bankers when we need to scuttle a system of usury. We don’t need a bunch of professional moochers with bachelors in political science and law degrees to vote themselves cadillac plans while selling out their countrymen to special interests.

    In a new national order, I want fully rounded White men who know how to make an honest living outside of political office running the country. Otherwise, it will be the SOS all over again.

    White people have guzzled the Jew koolaid so much that they are mentally, emotionally, and spiritually crippled into mindless consumers rather than creative producers. To be successful, Whites must redefine themselves and reorder their priorities out of the narrow sphere that World Jewry has allotted them.

    As for the White Christians, again, all we need is a White Nationalist who is smart enough to incorporate the beliefs of a Ben Klassen into interpreting the Bible. If the con-man that the Jews bought and paid for, Cyrus Scofield, can hoodwink Christianity into what basically amounts to mindless Jew worship in spite of how blatantly Jews promote anti-Biblical beliefs, then a committed WNist with a strong theological background can change Christianity into a religion that can benefit Whites rather than harm them for a change.

  86. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    March 18, 2012 - 10:11 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Feminists think it is in their interests to vote for Democrats, but they also think it is in their interests to use birth control throughout their most fertile years, abort inconvenient babies, take the places of white men in professional schools, raise children on their own or with a lesbian partner, celebrate black masculinity, and join in the media’s mockery and derision of white men.

  87. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 18, 2012 - 10:29 pm | Permalink

    @Bear: This is an interesting point Bear . Have you noticed the obsessive drive to place women into the top ranks of corporations ? Now through the MSM all around the world (along with the Bullying hysteria [another issue] ) , the ‘system’ is demanding laws to mandate 50 % representation . Me thinks , in my conspiratorial conception , what is the side effect of this ?

    In a long range projection , it creates resent between the sexes .Men resent being locked out of the high status jobs by women of less drive who have been given the job via entitlement law .The deserving Women resent the stigma now attached to their job by such a law .
    This is intact affirmative action all over again with the same consequences (unintended ? ) , to drive a divide between major groups in the countries . So when ever NWO wants to stir up a bit of action , they just start to run some article in the MSM pointing out some discrimination , that they themselves created !

    ” Their” point of view is that if we legislate this , the it will become the norm by imitation . But that is bs . Women are naturally inclined to be domenstic baby makers ( amazing that we should have to point this out explicitly but this is the fate of our twisted society ) and men are naturally inclined to be the driving hunters . Women want a winner and men what to be the winner . But this twisted NWO is inverting all the natural instincts to create a factious unhappy society of wheel rats , that they can easily control by division and legalism and of course of course Surveillance .

  88. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 18, 2012 - 10:41 pm | Permalink

    @Massah:

    Yeah, that’s pretty much what I’m getting at; the general *attitude* that a pro-white movement would require simply does not exist in the US. All the worthy pro-White movements are overseas in Central and Eastern Europe.

    @Clytemnestra:

    I think it’s you who misunderstands me. I am not insulting physical labor and nor am I arguing for parasitic politics, I am arguing for an increase in the quality of White people. As noble as you may find physical labor to be, the world today is run by either computers or people who have computer-like minds. If you don’t want the destiny of Whites to be determined by 170-IQ superasians then you better start placing more emphasis on intellect.

    Wars today are won by techies flying unmanned drones around a battlefield, blowing away Arabs and whoever else the tribe wants us to kill, people who stll think you win battles through numbers and force. AI programs on Wall Street make world-shaking economic decisions in a billionth of a second. It’s not a world of physical confrontation anymore; great nations live and die by the click of mouse buttons. The days of blood and soil are over…now it’s a matter of foresight and brainpower.

  89. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 18, 2012 - 11:06 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    Can you really scold *us* for a bad attitude, Eeyore? You are falling into reductionist thinking again. It is not a case of either/or. As one of those red neck, dumb farmers I can assure you that homeschooling provides a superior education to our young. We even, occasionally send our children to college and grad school.

    We have enough smart people for all the necessary jobs that rest primarily on brains. It is not a bad idea for large numbers of our people to free themselves from the system. Think big!

  90. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 18, 2012 - 11:16 pm | Permalink

    There is a concept we need to bring back: racial hygiene. If there is one key concept that should be motivating our personal and political behavior, this may be it. Here is a wikipedia entry, replete with the obligatory smears:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_hygiene

    This to me, is the greatest threat the US faces – people starting to breed with whomever with little thought to ethnicity. In other words, Brazil.

  91. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 18, 2012 - 11:22 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra: C , perhaps what Ameru’s need is a loose overview , a manifesto of sorts , that can point those demoralized lost and bewildered in a direction that produces real and un-thwart-able benefits along the way and not pie in the sky uncontrollable political outcome of highly dubious implementation in such a corrupt and venal political establishment as America’s .
    I’m quite certain that the current system is about to be scrapped and the power even more centralised . Our people then , as you point out need to take action in their daily lives that produces benefits for themselves and their community and by closing that community from the elites by chopping off their market access .
    A quasi-religious political structure based on real democracy that the exploitative elites would find difficult to penetrate and corrupt . Democratic cells if you will , with the purpose of looking after whites that the garbage at the top has abandoned with their multiculti NWO slave state .
    This is almost a left wing idea and I would imagine that those holdup in Oregon are starting to loose interest in their humanist philosophies which are turning into a globalist nightmare run be the ZioFascist Gov of the USA .

  92. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 18, 2012 - 11:28 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    If you don’t want the destiny of Whites to be determined by 170-IQ superasians then you better start placing more emphasis on intellect.

    If I had a magic wand, I would make young White girls appreciate White guys with intelligence more than they appear to. This seems to be an advantage Jews have, and perhaps even Asians. With Whites, it’s a bit more mixed – some do, some don’t.

    What Whites have had is good intelligence (of all kinds – verbal, mathematical, mechanical, etc.) mixed with a certain creativity. We shouldn’t lose it.

  93. March 18, 2012 - 11:47 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Thanks for the kind words.

    (And thanks to Brandon, one of my favorite bloggers, for echoing your compliment.)

    Regarding the concept of projection: that’s one of the few things that I have given a lot of thought for the past few years. If two people (Person A and Person B) are talking, where does Person A end and Person B begin? Their physical bodies are distinct and easily definable, but I mean their inner worlds, ther minds, their consciousness.

    I’m not sure where I’m going with that, other than to let you know that projection is something that I, too, think about once in a while.

    There is some truth in what you wrote. What I’m saying is, if you were projecting, it wasn’t merely a projection.

    But, again, I’m not sure what to make of the idea of projection.

    Have a good evening (or day) Mr. Meadows and anyone else who is reading this.

  94. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 18, 2012 - 11:47 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra: Forget formalised religion this will bring useless confusion and division , leave religion to the individual .
    Extract the useful philosophical tenants for religion , place them into a manifesto based on the universal conception of the it is the unalienable right of people to freely organise in the way they see fit …. Hold on ?

  95. Will Fredericks's Gravatar Will Fredericks
    March 18, 2012 - 11:54 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    If you’re hoping for some kind of red state rebellion, forget it. You think the federal government will ever allow that to happen? If they even had a suspicion of a state becoming some kind of “White homeland” they’d be sending in the drones and high-level bombers before you could say “secession.” It’s all a matter of which current governments are least hostile to Whites, and most of those governments are found in Europe. Those are nations Whites should focus on.(my emphasis)

    Again I have to ask you for specifics on which of these governments you are talking about. It certainly isn’t the ones we’ve been hearing most about, in countries like Great Britain, Sweden and the Netherlands, where government policy has been turning large areas of what were once virtually all-white countries into third-world hellholes, and where books like Kevin MacDonald’s among lots of other things are not just unpopular, like in this country, but are illegal.

  96. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 19, 2012 - 12:12 am | Permalink

    @fender: Ofcourse Europeans are more nationalistic .They haven’t had their traditions and identity usurped by MacDonald’s and a calorie socked bun with a greasy piece of ground up grissel . Brain food for the masses . Britain has utterly succumbed . The tv food show are just another fad . When the status buzz passes the bad habits return because the people have no culture to build on–demoralized and ignorant in a sea of multiculti properganda . Then its back to TV religion and MickyD and their drug dealer . The NWO .Sick.

    All the countries where Judaic’s have control have had the working class people poisoned by food and socialism (destroying their education , self-reliance and initiative) using the leftwing useful idiots , who’s ideas melt away under the slightest honest interrogation –a fancy way of say bs.

  97. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 19, 2012 - 1:07 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    If I had a magic wand, I would make young White girls appreciate White guys with intelligence more than they appear to.

    I think that young white women are especially easily influenced in to trends that are set by the culture. The pressure for them to conform enormous. Take a look at young white women and you will see the most conformist group there is, IMO . They can’t go to the bathroom with out getting the approval of the clique.
    White women would be dating white men exclusively if the mainstream media (“pisstream” as it is presently ) were pro-white.

  98. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 19, 2012 - 1:08 am | Permalink

    * or if they lived in an all white nation as it should be .

  99. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 19, 2012 - 2:04 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: Sure, but who came out on top of that encounter between the urbane canoeists and the mountain-men? The city folk certainly decamped at a rate of knots. I’d say Hollywood shows its inner fears in Deliverance, which I find a hopeful sign, despite its scornful depiction of the Georgia locals.

  100. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 19, 2012 - 2:28 am | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra: Totally right. What’s more, look at the average age of farmers – 60++. Jim Rogers is right, the millionaire of the coming decades is the guy on the tractor with dirt under the nails. A classic countercyclical play.

    One thing is certain in my mind, the financial centres which have benefited most in the decades since the 80′s are going to be the most miserable locales of all as the final bubble bursts, and municipal, state and federal paper starts reflecting real default risk.

  101. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 19, 2012 - 4:52 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Define “Christian”

  102. BY's Gravatar BY
    March 19, 2012 - 7:02 am | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt:

    I know an intelligent and talented man who runs a pretty good WN blog. Looking at it the other day I was flabbergasted at his offhand remark that he had voted for Romney in his state primary because Ron Paul said something he disagreed with. No wonder we’re in such a mess.

  103. ethnonationalism's Gravatar ethnonationalism
    March 19, 2012 - 7:36 am | Permalink

    @fender:

    There are no “pro-White” movements in Europe.
    “White nationalism” is a uniquely American phenomenon.

    Nationalism in Europe is for the most part directed against what you would call “historical enemies” (that would be other European peoples).

    And all the anti-immigrant movements are as much against immigration from other European countries as they are against non-European immigrants.

    You have all probably noticed Geert Wilders’ campaign against Eastern European…
    http://www.eurotopics.net/en/home/presseschau/archiv/archiv_dossier/DOSSIER100717-Wilders-attack-on-Eastern-Europeans-angers-EU

  104. dixie's Gravatar dixie
    March 19, 2012 - 9:15 am | Permalink

    Many more Generational Americans do not want to racialize, since —in their perception— once they do that, it’s “game over,” and the PTB have won, since they then have their overall System in place (of ethnic conflict model). They will, indeed, be just one more minority under the overall thumb of the largely catholic and jewish self-described “Elite.” (they may be “anglos” —as OO is always telling us, WAY up at the top, but the reality of American politics is majority Catholic, with often fewer jews, like on the Supreme Court; this is the third rail that OO exists to obscure). There’s a blindness on the blog, since the writers are so often from a specific (non-anglo) sub-group ethnicity. What many do not understand is why the catholics are not happy—- the country has become just as Romanized as Judaized (and the real Children of the Founders are from NEITHER of those groups).

  105. dixie's Gravatar dixie
    March 19, 2012 - 9:34 am | Permalink

    To continue the above: what WOULD the “ethnic Americans” (code for jews and catholics) have the “real children of the Founders” –all the founders were wasps— DO about all this? Become a “vocal minority” and be like hispanics, or blacks or “ethnic Americans” (jews, catholics) in the country their forebears REALLY DID found?— basing “identity” on haggling about various revisionist histories, in order to “LEGITIMATE” themselves.

    The whole thing is just so Third World— and also very Latin (what they are being asked to do). And well… Latin people COULD NOT have founded the u.s. (the founding documents, ideas, and everything else are a natural extension OF THE PEOPLE —and their folkways— who founded the country.

    The Generational Americans find Catholic Theo-Fascism highly distasteful— but not only that: THEY CANNOT live in their own way under such a System (this was the whole reason for Protesters, for protestants, and for them leaving Europe –as Alex Hamilton, for instance, whose family was Huegenot and so on.)

    American Catholics need to decide WHAT EXACTLY they want. If they want a non-Constititutional Theo-Fascist State, (which in a sense came closer to fruition, with redefinition of u.s. as “country of Law” and the takeover of the supreme court, and “rule of law” nation —which just means dictatorship by courts, which the catholics control, as well as offering Defense figures s/a Panetta— who just overstepped Congress, saying the U.N. declares u.s. war— (Panetta is not jewish, lol)—

    One could go on— but the point is that Catholics seem to want to “have their cake and eat it, too.” They got ALL THE GAINS they wished from the 60s, that THEIR PEOPLE got for them (open borders for only catholics, an acknowledged dual citizenship when pope was given an embassy later, the takeover of the court, the msm voice of things s/a “Fox,” the Romanization of games s/a the “NFL”— the whole arena, stadium, gladiator transition from previous anglo football, the concentration of using ex-slaves, criminality (games socialize people into the Roman System here, not the jewish one).

    Anyway— Catholics need to decide if they really wish to impose Romanization and “Latino-ization” on the Northern Europeans in the u.s. (the real Children of the Founders)— OR WHETHER THEY WILL recognize that population, give the devil his due, and understand the unique things wasps —and only wasps– can bring to the party, (rather than demoralizing and obscuring the intelligent ones, to make a case for all American failures being BECAUSE it was a wasp nation (the general catholic teaching).

    The Northern Europeans, and their take on Jesus, are very interesting. People should become more awake to this, obviously, unless you just want another Theo-Fascist European toilet in America.

    In reality— Catholics were brought to the U.S. mostly by the civil war (to kill Americans, via the potato famine, which is what encouraged them to leave), AND brought in by the consequent “Industrial Revolution,” to live punching time clocks in factories for robber barons.

    It is an “Empire Religion”—- top down, ‘need to know basis,’ very allied with fascism (militarist-corporatist-medicalist— just as the u.s. is becoming). Third World (because, more and more, thinking people reject it). It has been used for training Military for military states, and for “Ant Colony” work (like the factories). It’s about FOLLOWING ORDERS and punishing “heretics” (people who think).

    This needs to be confronted by that population— IF THEY WISH TO ENGAGE the truly thinking Northern Europeans left in the u.s

    As is, the ‘vocal’ parts of the Founding Remnant are going for Theo-Fascists s/a Rick Santorum (as in picture). This is because they have been Romanized, not judaized.

  106. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 19, 2012 - 11:50 am | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:
    Christians have been around for quite some time now. There are Coptic Christians, Eastern Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholics, Protestants. All have some variety within the ranks. Do your own research.

  107. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 19, 2012 - 11:56 am | Permalink

    @BY:
    Excellent point. There are far too many folks here that seems to think their vital contribution to white freedom is to find fault with anyone who is working on our behalf. These perfectionists insist on all or nothing. A very easy out. It seems that they are genuinely unaware that this tendency is a result of marination in the Jewish Culture of Critique.

    I cannot look into anyone else’s heart. But I am for anyone who is tackling any aspect of our oppression.

  108. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    March 19, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    @dixie:

    That’s pretty much how I see things too. We must have gone to different colleges together. LOL.

    I don’t know if the recruitment of Irish & German Roman Catholics was conscious, or unconcious, or done with a purpose, but, the results were the introduction of a large Roman Catholic population into the Protestant United States.

    We had a large Irish Protestant population, and, a large German Protestant population. But, almost no Roman Catholic population prior to the late 1840′s. Sure there were a few scattered Roman Catholics, but a tiny percent of the population.

    We tend to forget that prior to the Civil War the largest national political movements & questions, were anti-Catholic, and, anti-immigrant. With the northern States absorbing the almost all of the Catholic immigrants.

  109. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    March 19, 2012 - 1:00 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt: After I read the transcript of his speech to a room full of Mestizos in Las Vegas right before their primary, and after I listened to his TV debate’s gushing of worship for a Communist, degenerate, woman abusing, serial adulterer, anti-White racist and subversive jewish created weapon against White America named M.L. King, Jr and his Communist associate Rosa Parks – I tend to agree with you 100 percent about Paul.

    Ron Paul is suffering from a serious case of jewish media induced self-loathing, white guilt and a self-destructive lust to help them complete their genocide of the race he belongs to.

  110. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 19, 2012 - 1:02 pm | Permalink

    @ethnonationalism: @Will Fredericks:

    There’s no sense in arguing over this. If you want to have faith in America, fine. Yes, certain European nations have embraced racial suicide, but some have not (Hungary, Belarus, Estonia) . I believe the chances of a right-wing revival are far greater in Europe than in the US, and Prof. MacDonald has agreed with this. If you want to focus on America then do it, but I think it’s a lost cause here.

  111. March 19, 2012 - 1:21 pm | Permalink

    @venonacables: The criticism of Harold Covington is that he tells outrageous lies. Some people don’t have a problem with that. I do.

  112. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    March 19, 2012 - 2:01 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Jim Rodgers knows. But, so does corporate. Agribusiness is now rolling up the remains of family farms. I live in midwest and Monsanto’s product development arm has bought up over a thousand acrres in county the past couple years. Other well heeled buyers are making competing bids for larger plots and estate auctions are getting a lot of action.

  113. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    March 19, 2012 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Anytime I see three different named users show up praising HAC and slamming somebody else, it’s a classic HAC sockpuppet play. Transparent ploy.

    Hadding makes a challenging point about the need to build white media. Mass media controls elections. if you have neither the money to rent mass media time, nor the ownership nor operational control of mass media, then the more pressing need it is to gain it and to build it.

    Nevertheless, Merlin Miller has a lot of guts to step forth like this and I applaud his courage to stand for white interests. I will make a modest contribution as a token of support; but I have to reserve my surplus for other efforts. Thanks to A3P for also making a good effort of this.

  114. European's Gravatar European
    March 19, 2012 - 2:13 pm | Permalink

    @dixie:
    It’s about FOLLOWING ORDERS and punishing “heretics” (people who think).

    This is exactly how it is in the US. You think…you get shot down. Master-Slave mentality where ever you go.
    Sorry, but that can never be Christianity. Besides it is the with the contribution of the abuses in Roman Catholism that has destroyed Europe along with Judaism, as it competed against each other for 2000 years. Their systems are very much alike. (Jews as Master – Gentiles as slaves) Note also, the Jews only deal with catholics on/in religious matters of the past, not protestantism. The real Church is yet to be found and created, perhaps on this continent with what ever thinking white people will be left, and as I belief is still evolving and becoming. In the meantime we have to do with what is, but never stop trying to break thru the barriers of supression, no matter who deals them out. Roman Catholics, Jews, or hostile Atheists who would also like to see thinking “white” Christians and Christianity dead. It won’t happen yet!

    This is for Henry Baxley from a devout “Natural European Christian”:
    I wrote in 1979, a long time ago.

    Life is like springtime where Nature unfolds,
    Life is like summer knowing life in full glow
    Life is like autumn where yesterdays pass
    And spacing the winter in contemplation to that
    Life will come thru if we stay in touch
    With the Laws of Nature where Life equals Love
    Follow the Laws as Nature sets forth
    There is infinite Life for all to grow more
    Each cycle completed as Nature intends
    Adds new growth in springtime
    And that is Life – Love – and Contentment.

    Where is the incompatibility between Christianity and Natures Laws? They compliment each other and have a Love-Affair.
    But it is OK for you to stay where you are in your humble opinion. The difference is, I do not have to degrade, belittle, antagonize, berate, or be hostile to Nature lovers, as you are to Christians. Perhaps I have helped you, and maybe you still can’t see it, and that is OK too. Go your way in Peace and leave Christians alone please!

  115. Will Fredericks's Gravatar Will Fredericks
    March 19, 2012 - 3:51 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: @Sean Grant:

    Covington is active in White intrests. He is not anonymous is his writings. He has a plan and is doing his best to make it work

    I know some people play attention to Covington and other similar White nationalists and my intention isn’t to denigrate this attention or every aspect of these WN’s themselves. My experience though, mainly from web forums hasn’t been the best.

    Although Covington does write under his own name, he also apparently posts on forums under other monikers. One such set of comments which was attributable to him seem to rather tastelessly IMO gloat upon the death of Sam Francis as evidence that our prayers for him hadn’t been answered and how therefore prayer in general was a waste of time. Together with such things as even more tasteless remarks by Linder about Francis’s death and Linder’s general dogmatic and tasteless atheism, I tend to place a low estimate on the value of their overall work. People, however bright, who can’t restrain their sociopathy limit their overall worth.

  116. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 19, 2012 - 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Also, it should be noted that foreigners do not see America as a White nation, and they no longer consider Americans to be White. Someone else on TOO mentioned that Europeans equate ‘American’ with ‘Jew.’ This is very much true; this is no longer a country for White people.

    Case in point: a Japanese cartoon show where the villain is a black man wearing a USA t-shirt;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QaO8t-Tejk&feature=player_embedded#!

    This is how foreigners see us: as a black and Jewish nation. They are the true representatives of America. There’s no repairing that. They won America, but they haven’t won Europe yet.

  117. HarryO's Gravatar HarryO
    March 19, 2012 - 6:35 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley: @Alice Teller:

    To dialog with the likes of this vicious lout is is but to stoop and to waste. I am a Christian and his pigmentation nothwithstanding I would NEVER accept such as this blackguard as an ally in anything.

  118. HarryO's Gravatar HarryO
    March 19, 2012 - 6:55 pm | Permalink

    @dixie:

    You have said quite a mouthful, my friend and I commend your forthrightness. Furthermore, I agree entirely. Certainly there are RC that are quite laudable in their daily lives such as no doubt appear here but that is beside the vastly greater point. And that is that this nation’s founding and whole character up until the mid to late 19th cent. was entirely Protestant. One of the many evils that the great Dictator perpetrated was the fetching from Europe what General Dow at the time described as “the rakings and scrapings of Europe” to prosecute his war on the South. A vast number of Jews followed fin de siecle and the rest as they say is history. 1789, 99% Prot. 1% RC with just a few thousand Jews. The nation in a real sense was essentially strangled in its crib. This accounts no doubt for such a vast land to have had such a phoenix-like denouement.

  119. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 19, 2012 - 6:56 pm | Permalink

    @HarryO:
    I must be particularly dense this evening. What lout are you referring to and why do you say he is so evil?

  120. HarryO's Gravatar HarryO
    March 19, 2012 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt:

    At last a voice of sanity vis-a-vis this soulless idealogue, Ron Paul. Call me naive but when I first came to TOO I was non-plussed by the enthusiasm of a number of people here for the congressman from Texas and I still fail to see it (there’s a phrase for you RP enthusiasts to seize upon – “fail to see it”). The link given above about a speech in LA to Browns ought to be the coup-de-grace for him but you see, “nobody’s perfect” – the true enthusiasts tidy mantra.

  121. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 19, 2012 - 7:20 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    I think that young white women are especially easily influenced in to trends that are set by the culture. The pressure for them to conform enormous.

    I think you are right. It’s actually pretty scary how much they conform. Of course, young White guys do too, although not quite as much. A lot of White guys go for the “wigger” culture, but it is the young White females who are shockingly willing to embrace black culture. Now, often it is done as a kind of pose – they don’t really want to mix with real black people. On the other hand, I do see more young White women then ever hanging around with black guys. It’s pretty sickening. I still believe the intermarriage rates are very, very low for White women and black men, but it’s just the fact that they think it’s “cool” that is so galling.

    And yeah, the fact is, Jewish owned MTV decides what is cool. (Sumner Redstone, who runs MTV and Viacom, is a Jew – big surprise).

  122. Will Fredericks's Gravatar Will Fredericks
    March 19, 2012 - 7:29 pm | Permalink

    @Ex-Pro White Activist:

    And since the Republican Party is incapable of saving itself by adopting policies that would keep American a majority-White country, the long term solution is a third party representing the interests of White Americans: American Third Position and its presidential candidate Merlin Miller.

    Could you please explain the logic of this conclusion given the facts you laid out? I don’t see the two have any relationship at all. What will be the point of whites politically racializing in California at this late date given an effective ‘non-white lock’ on CA state government? And is there the slightest evidence this political racialization is proceeding in CA?

    I don’t see what your problem is. Clearly white Americans need some sort of political organization, a “party” in our political system, that advocates for our interests. If the GOP is losing its ability to do so, a separate party will be required sooner or later, and preferably of course sooner.

    Kevin MacDonald’s experience in California actually buttresses the argument. Us non-Californians certainly don’t want to wait until the situation in California now becomes the situation where we live before we do something.

    Right now, A3P and Merlin Miller are attempting to become the presidential candidate of Americans Elect, the group that has spent $40 million to qualify on the ballot in all 50 states. Right now, Miller is in 8th place, and there is a real possibility that he could be very near the top if his supporters could be mobilized.,

    Caveat Emptor. If people want to believe a Jewish founded, Jewish funded and Jewish controlled entity like “Americans Elect” would ever nominate Merlin Miller, do so.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_Elect

    It was founded by Jews, (CFR no less!), funded by Jews and the only paid consultant is a Jew.

    And this is the A3P’s grand strategy to get Merlin Miller on the ballot? At best this ‘strategy’ only looks like another fix of E-Z Hopium to me. At worst it looks like a counter-intelligence honey trap set up by the ADL.

    Here I do understand your trepidations perfectly. Something about this mysterious “Americans Elect 2012″ and its $40 million certainly lurks under the surface, and like you gives me the willies about submitting my personal information to them.

    On inspection though, its hazards to me don’t seem any more than any other form of political organization, especially effective ones, open to us. To the people who are always pushing us to be more active, open, and involved, this seems as good an opportunity as any. And there may indeed be some special opportunity for the A3P in Americans Elect 2012 ambition to do, as Thomas Friedman puts it

    “What Amazon.com did to books, what the blogosphere did to newspapers, what the iPod did to music, what drugstore.com did to pharmacies, Americans Elect plans to do to the two-party duopoly that has dominated American political life — remove the barriers to real competition, flatten the incumbents and let the people in.”[7]

    “Let the people in”!. What better opportunity for a populist minded party trying to reach out to the people over the heads of the party elites could there be? You can’t always wait for the perfect opportunity. Sometimes you just have to take the ball and run with it, and it requires a certain amount of risk and audacity. If there’s a better opportunity out there, its incumbent on us to help find it.

  123. HarryO's Gravatar HarryO
    March 19, 2012 - 7:32 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Alice, clearly “he” and not you is the lout. I simply referenced you as well as it was you who were dialoging with him. You profess Christianity and I have to explain to you why “he” is evil (though I didn’t use that epithet I’ll countenance it)? Christ is the Son of God, “full of grace and truth” (John 1:14). He is the one and only Savior of men (John 14:6). His church is “the pillar and ground of the truth” (1 Timothy 3:15). His Gospel is faithful and true – “let God be true and every man a liar” (Romans 3:4). This Henry Baxley fellow is not merely an unbeliever but a high-handed blasphemer and a decided enemy of the cross. He is shameless in his expostulations and emptied of all decency in his anti-Christian harangues. I forgive you Alice but you made me do what I said I would not do – to engage his seething pathology. Just to be sure, I say “forgive you” tongue-in-cheek.”

  124. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 19, 2012 - 7:34 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Very interesting Japanese cartoon there. It is so shameful to think this once proud country is now represented by a thug Negro. You mentioned that to most of Europe, American = Jew. Is this true? On the other hand, isn’t Sarkozy a Jew?

    But maybe we need to get it through the heads of White Americans that the world now views us as a nation of blacks ruled by Jews. White Americans still provide the ability to get things done (look at the Special Forces) but they are no longer in decision making positions.

  125. HarryO's Gravatar HarryO
    March 19, 2012 - 7:39 pm | Permalink

    @HarryO: @Alice Teller:

    Actually, in reading your comment again I realize you weren’t uncertain as to my assailing you but to who the “he” was in my comment. My apologies.

  126. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 19, 2012 - 7:50 pm | Permalink

    @HarryO:
    I have always admired your defense of the faith. As you know, I am peachy nice, so I have learned to live with many imperfect people. I don’t know if his is evil or ignorant or simply mislead.

    I do not think I can get much done with those you would consider suitable. Hope is a virtue too.

  127. Ya Ya's Gravatar Ya Ya
    March 19, 2012 - 7:53 pm | Permalink

    @BY: Anyone who gets their political pointers from the MSM gets what they deserve . Unfortunately their ignorance and gullibility is America’s (and the worlds) misfortune .

  128. Anon's Gravatar Anon
    March 19, 2012 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Sometimes you just have to take the ball and run with it, and it requires a certain amount of risk and audacity.

    Yes, I was a bold Californian once. Lost my job, had to change occupations at 45 and start again near the bottom, my sons were expelled from private school, my daughter was physically abused, wife was publicly harassed, was forced to sell the house at a loss in equity, was forced to rent and pay twice the normal security deposit and six months advance rent, etc. Didn’t lose my wife and family, fortunately. Most are not that lucky.

    Some people are clueless. Or pensioned. Or tenured. Or ADL.

  129. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 19, 2012 - 8:39 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I still believe the intermarriage rates are very, very low for White women and black men,

    yeah but the marriage rate is not what counts, it is the rate at which you see young white women pushing a carriage with a baby inside that is obviously the product of a negro , and that negro is most likely long gone .

    The old saying ” once black, never back” is a way of saying that the white blood lines will not survive any mulatto-ization. It’s an outrage , it is .
    I can’t believe that women would want a mulatto , that is if they are mentally/spiritually healthy.

  130. European's Gravatar European
    March 19, 2012 - 8:45 pm | Permalink

    @<a hre@Jason Speaks:

    Jason, you do know that Europeans can not refer to anyone being Jewish. I talked to my brother in Germany the other day, he did not know that the French President was of Jewish descent. They make no mention ever of anyone; Bankers like Madoff, or the other French Politition who was supposed to have sexually assaulted a Muslim Maid in a New York Hotel, (forgot the name) etc. being Jewish. This mention is a taboo in news, conversation and this information about people is suppressed. Supposedly it would encourage, and the Jews fear the rise of Anti-Semitism etc. But you can’t fool Europeans forever. I think the anger and outrage from information being withheld, the misleading and the deception being played out there, will anger people more then the fact that Jews are Jewish. They bring about what they fear.
    I was surprised myself, as my brother used to be pretty knowledgeable, but they are being mislead and are misinformed just like people here in the US. But the opinion in Europe for the US is low, Just as the opinion of Europe is low here in the US. It shines thru all the time.

    You might be interested in the following story from OneNewsNow.com:
    ‘Looking to kill:’ 4 slain at French Jewish school
    f=”#comment-65572″>Jason Speaks:

  131. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 19, 2012 - 8:47 pm | Permalink

    I have to laugh when people say ” yeah but some mulattoes are such a nice color of coffee”
    These people fail to mention the majority of half black/whites who are , ummm , not.

  132. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 19, 2012 - 9:04 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    Yes, you are right about the marriage rate, because it’s not like the blacks are into marriage anyway. But I still think the number of white women that breed with blacks is very small. However, it does represent a big long-term threat. Well, that and mixing with Mestizos. The white women that are doing it are just committing genocide for their own bloodline.

    And one more thing. How coldly selfish are those white women that have mixed raced babies? Think about it. These white women know they are more beautiful and that as whites, they’ve had certain advantages. Yet, they will forever take that away from their offspring. Their daughters will never have the pure White look of a European woman.

  133. March 19, 2012 - 9:27 pm | Permalink

    @Sean Grant:
    “I doubt , Haddington Scott, has ever worn boots in a combat situation.
    He just talks alot and provides no solutions…At least the man is out there in plain site promoting something.”

    I beg to differ with you, Mr. Grant. For one thing, your Mr. Covington most certainly is not in “plain site.” He’s in hiding and has been for going on 14 years.

    Hadding has done a lot for the cause with his selfless work, spanning more than two decades. He has offered constructive, achievable solutions, like the need for developing our own mass media, and for a tighter, more disciplined, ideologically-driven discussion venue that keeps out the disruptors and other troublemakers. He has emphasized that being truthful is our best weapon when fighting lies and liars. He has expressed that Christianity is alien poison, unsuitable as a belief system for long-suffering Whites.

    So what if Hadding didn’t serve in the military? He served on staff on the mountain with Dr. William Pierce which trumps the experiences of most veterans of Samuel’s far-flung shooting adventures. What are those millions of physically courageous combat vets doing for us now? Why are they not now fighting for their race like they fought for their darkening “nation?” Hadding has what they do not: abundant moral courage to say and do what’s right, no matter the personal consequences, and keep doing it for the long haul. I can personally vouch for that, thank you.

    I noticed that you support Harold “I Served in Two Wars” Covington. Hadding never served in a combat situation, but then he has never claimed to. OTOH, while your Mr. Covington never served in combat, either, he has in fact claimed that he did, and in not just one war, but two! Read about his disreputable stolen valor here: http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1066555#post1066555 — Harold Covington, Leader of the Great White Migration to the NorthWest territory, wrote the following in issue #142 of his newsletter, Resistance (January 12th, 1998):

    “I, myself, have served in two armies and two wars, Vietnam and Rhodesia…” [See the document with that bald-faced lie from him here: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5331/35973894.jpg

    @Clytemnestra:
    “As for the White Christians, again, all we need is a White Nationalist who is smart enough to incorporate the beliefs of a Ben Klassen into interpreting the Bible…a committed WNist with a strong theological background can change Christianity into a religion that can benefit Whites rather than harm them for a change.”

    In commenting on the futility of trying to adapt the Middle-Eastern yahwehist creed to the spiritual needs of European man, Ben Klassen, a smart man, indeed, said: “Why pick through a barrel of rotten apples for a bite or two that’s edible when Nature gives us bounteous orchards from which to pick fresh, delicious apples?” Klassen didn’t want gullible, suggestible, superstitious lambkin followers in his Church; he wanted wolves — ones smart enough to see that we can be both idealistic race thinkers and realistic. He valued common sense and logic; science and lessons from our history, but foremost, the eternal Laws of Nature. Christianity is not grounded in reality. Fact! It’s escapist. It’s universalist. It does not serve the interests of the race. Read the Sermon on the Mount with a critical eye as Mr. Klassen did. Read his eye-opening interpretation of that suicidal “Lift up thine enemy” claptrap.

  134. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 19, 2012 - 9:35 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:


    And one more thing. How coldly selfish are those white women that have mixed raced babies? Think about it. These white women know they are more beautiful and that as whites, they’ve had certain advantages. Yet, they will forever take that away from their offspring. Their daughters will never have the pure White look of a European woman.

    ah, who is that gal who had offspring with Seal? ( don’t answer that , I don’t really care for a name) She must be sick in her head, and now her marriage went kerflewey , who’d a thunk it ?
    The real danger is even with a few mixed products the crossbreeding will occur in the general white populations with penta-droons and qua-droons and bi-droons and all that. lol
    But, I am certain that there will be major change in the world and that WN will prevail. It’s gonna happen.

  135. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 19, 2012 - 9:36 pm | Permalink

    @European: Germany is pretty much a police state , in the way the USSR was but with an efficient economy .
    Surely , you have heard of the case of the ‘Denier’ , who challenged the myth using chemical evidence from the gas chambers . Not only was most of his testimony refused a hearing BUT his lawyer was also jailed fora couple of years for throwing doubt on the Holyhoax ! Germany is the Jews kicking dog and any ‘Judge’ who doesn’t do the Rothschilds bidding will be pushed under a bus i.e. murdered with impunity by a Mossad agent or have their lively hood stripped away . But I think we would find that most of these ‘Judges’ are ‘Free’ Masons who are pushing the NWO multicultural slave state hell holes—”Why won’t people just do what their told , accept their situation and love the fellow human creatures .” This is the simple minded way , those who’s feet never touch the ground view those they rule .
    I suggest you have a look on Amazon at a book called : Other Losses .
    Our societies are controlled and run be an evil sinister Jewish/Masonic banking network. Some call it the illuminati but they get lost in the digression . It’s just megalomaniacal Messainaic dickhead’s’ who have created for themselves an excuse to play god . God doesn’t play dice with the world because Einstein knew it was his people that were doing it–That was his joke on us .

  136. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    March 19, 2012 - 10:14 pm | Permalink

    AS a Californian, living with the untermenschen, the time will soon come when White tax payers will start refusing to pay their property taxes, or, say, send in about half of what they owe. A large scale White Tax Refusal will be an idea that cannot be killed off.

  137. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 19, 2012 - 10:31 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    “You mentioned that to most of Europe, American = Jew. Is this true?”

    It’s not what I said, it’s what someone else in another topic said.

    “On the other hand, isn’t Sarkozy a Jew?”

    He’s half Hungarian, quarter French and quarter Jewish, apparently.

    “But maybe we need to get it through the heads of White Americans that the world now views us as a nation of blacks ruled by Jews. White Americans still provide the ability to get things done (look at the Special Forces) but they are no longer in decision making positions.”

    Yeah that was basically my point. Jews are the generals and the blacks are their soldiers. That’s why every nation with substantial amount of Jewish control is being invaded and conquered by armies of blacks; they’re the soldiers of the tribe.

  138. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 19, 2012 - 10:42 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns: The TV is promoting this all over the western world . Australia is still a very European country but it is impossible to watch a documentary , here , without the camera man always including a black or an asian . They go out of their way to do it , which is the orders from on high. Tardy performance won’t be promoted.
    Before the blow up of the London riots (the media have now been told to go easy on promoting Multiculti as the goyem are suddenly looking up from their sleep or acceptance and asking questions and thats a real problem) Commercial tv was promoting incessantly a tv show called (I guess ) international love match . Which was showing Whitman taking wives in the Caribbean .

    The workers are very poorly educated and ignorant .They have forgotten how to think . When they get up in the morning they turn the tv on and watch show like this or any other nonsense the NWO is promoting , with verdict offered as fact , under the most fatuous reasoning : brainwashed .
    The same goes for the Gov./non-commercial channels but using subtler ploys . And the baby cartoons are always configured with rainbow characters . Happy multiculti faces every where.
    Agains it all looks great on paper , but when people grow up , they find the world a very different place and the brainwash falls away . Except perhaps for Gov employee’s who existence doesn’t rely on any sort of reality or market logic , so they buy the line cause its no problem and they have been brainwash by college . And then they blackmail the politicians to give them large pay rises so they can get the hell away from the Mulitculti hellholes they have created .
    Greece elaborately shows , that as usual it is only the Generals that escape , the soldiers are pulled under as the battle turns -The Gov employee’s are eventually cast into the hell holes they have created .

    Look at those Hollowood T.rds . Why do you think they gather a bundle of bastards together they call family? Because the ‘system’ will promote them if they do (they delude themselves and imitate liberal Jews who are also pretending ) . So their worthless glitteratie life stays on track . And our women keep buying those stupid magazines and then copy their celbs . Brainwashed socializaiton . Some of our young gullible white girls even act proud with their homeboy ! When the black eye’s start coming , its too late .
    Celeb Garbage : I sometimes look through these magazines and laugh at these culture less piggies as they engage in their pathetic and sordid excretal existance. The spirits of these people do not deserve respect no matter what car they drive or holiday they take .And this is what counts in the end , their spirits. Their meaningless material live counts for little . Ridicule my friends ,ridicule .

    Let me say it again . When you view news pages on the internet : Turn off the images . When you view news or doc’s on tv , prerecord them . Put yourself in control : When you see something odd , you can rewind , when there is a brainwash , ff .I find the MSM news to be virtually worthless (and intimidating in the BW ) but it is interesting to see what the system is trying to promote . From that you can understand the beast behind the curtain.
    Once you free your self from this cultural brainwash , the creative mind blossoms and we can see into the scams .

  139. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 19, 2012 - 11:08 pm | Permalink

    @Anty Ep: Yeah, the smart money certainly knows food can’t be printed up by Dr. Bernanke. And prices are historically very low, adjusted for inflation. Agribusiness is such a shameless whore, but what can you do?

  140. March 19, 2012 - 11:27 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Agribusiness is such a shameless whore, but what can you do?

    Use regulation to protect the small farmer.

  141. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 19, 2012 - 11:35 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Here is where I think some state control is unavoidable. You will always have some businessmen willing to hire non-Whites, aliens, illegals, etc., if it saves money. How in the world could North America ever remain White (assuming it was 100% right now) without laws that forbid farms to hire cheap brown labor? I can see no alternative to a central government that has the power to override the desires of private individuals in such cases.

  142. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 19, 2012 - 11:52 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    Or you can buy a small farm east of the Mississippi. They do not easily lend themselves to agribusiness. Cater to all those restaurants on the east coast. Not easy, not cheap, but if things improve, there will be a larger market for locally grown specialty food. Land prices are still on the rise. If things turn south, you and your family have a spot with all the basics to ride it out.

  143. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 20, 2012 - 12:38 am | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt: “Ron Paul is a vicoius race replacement enthusiast”……….

    I completely agree. He would solve nothing where immigration numbers are concerned, either legal or illegal, and as nothing to offer average Americans but to get poorer. I believe he’d be completely isolated anyway, if he were elected.

  144. March 20, 2012 - 1:02 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: It isn’t really a problem that can be solved by individual choices. The government has to set the rules of competition.

  145. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 20, 2012 - 1:25 am | Permalink

    @Bobby:

    @wattylersrevolt: “Ron Paul is a vicoius race replacement enthusiast”……….

    I completely agree. He would solve nothing where immigration numbers are concerned, either legal or illegal, and as nothing to offer average Americans but to get poorer. I believe he’d be completely isolated anyway, if he were elected.

    I don’t agree , under ron paul’s constitutionalism , would immigrants be coming ? There would be no affirmative action , there would be no welfare state, there would be no social engineering and the constitutionally restricted federal government would be limited and charged with protecting the borders with no incredibly costly foreign wars.
    People would be free to form all white communities and white associations of every kind or business . There would be no race mixing agenda from central government. There would be free market economy with no fed so that the economy would boom. There would be general freedom.
    Everything that WN’s fight for would be won if it were truly a free nation. I think that WN’s greatest enemy is the established socially engineering big government which is basically run by the fed . (ZOG)

  146. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 20, 2012 - 1:32 am | Permalink

    How in the world could North America ever remain White (assuming it was 100% right now) without laws that forbid farms to hire cheap brown labor?

    Constitutional government is mandated with protecting borders. It does not take a stretch to rule that cheap imported labor is an affront to the national interest .
    By far , people do not support immigration , even amongst the browns that have already invaded.

  147. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 20, 2012 - 1:38 am | Permalink

    I believe he’d be completely isolated anyway, if he were elected.

    I agree , the tentacles of power are immense and they would effectively take him out in one way or another.

  148. March 20, 2012 - 1:42 am | Permalink

    @John hearns: President Ron Paul could redeploy troops out of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. without approval from anybody.

  149. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 20, 2012 - 1:44 am | Permalink

    “Ron Paul is a vicoius race replacement enthusiast”

    Let us suppose that he is …
    Under the kind of government that he proposes , what could he do to further his goals ?
    Not much . He’s just one guy . He would be limited , he would have to follow the law and therefore the constitution. That’s how it works. It’s called freedom.

  150. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 20, 2012 - 1:59 am | Permalink


    @John hearns: President Ron Paul could redeploy troops out of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. without approval from anybody.

    A very populist proposal.
    Are you implying that Ron Paul is advocating for a dictatorship?
    That is pretty much what you have now.

  151. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 20, 2012 - 2:06 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    funny that I said ron paul could not do what he wants and that’s called freedom , lol . I mean that is general freedom from big government when the prez or a small group of elites can not force their will on the people with things like unpopular wars or out of control immigration policies or huge taxation or affirmative action or social engineering of all kinds that are ” not optional” as it stands in the ” land of the free and the brave ” .

  152. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 20, 2012 - 2:07 am | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: @John hearns: John, I would agree with all the points you bring up on Dr. Paul, since that is his program. I was trying to get at the point that his is essentially an open borders policy, and open borders would negate all of the things he’d try to change. The past several administrations have allowed over 1million people to enter the U.S.—every single year, year after year. Immigration before 1965 was a sane, 150,000 people a year, from everywhere. How does Dr. Paul overcome any suggestion that this limit be lowered, since we already have so many folks of non-European origin,etc. sitting on immigration boards and even in charge of the whole shabang. The present guy in charge of immigraiton is hispanic/Mexican?

  153. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 20, 2012 - 2:14 am | Permalink

    @Free Thinker:

    I have very similar observations . TV is entertaining only in that it is interesting to see what crap is being pumped over the boob tube.

  154. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 20, 2012 - 2:26 am | Permalink

    @Bobby:

    I think that basically the immigration policy is not popular. At present it is the very elite fed that is behind out of control immigration. The people do not support immigration .

    Constitutional government is by the people and for the people .
    I know that sounds la dee dah and out of touch , but we are talking ideals and that is what we are here for . So, immigration would end if government were truly constitutional .
    Go ron paul go. lol

    BTW ,
    If a truly pro-white government were in the running- of any kind , I would support it . That’s my first priority . Blood is thicker than water. I believe that it is not the style governing, but it is the spirit of the governers that is most important.

  155. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    March 20, 2012 - 2:41 am | Permalink

    @ Massah

    Apart from a short respite during the known events of 1939-1945, Europe is the place where judeo-marxists in tandem with their white leftist useful idiots and shabbos goy enablers have practically been running wild for well over 100 years.
    Modern European political landscape continues to showcase the entire rainbow – pun intended – of left-wing parties to suit every electoral pinko leaning taste. From Lenin pin wearing unrepentant commmies to hardcore trostkyites to maoists to the fans of comrade Che.
    Europe bears the dubious distinction (take a wild guess as to thanks to whom) for establishing legal framework in which thought crimes can, in fact, be prosecuted. Be that based on allegations of ‘racism’ or for bringing up unauthorized questions regarding the basic arithmetical absurdities in the tale of The Holocaust ® lifted by the Judaic tribal propaganda chieftains straight out of Stalin’s Political Directorate for the Red Army playbook.
    Europe had also spawned the elites who were responsible for the “brilliant” strategy to fulfill the employment niche for not-so-glamorous occupations (read: shyte shoveling) by importing hordes of unassimilable mohammedan elements whose primary distinctions turned out to be penchant for marrying cousin Layla and the latter’s prodigious fertility.
    Except for a couple-three cases (read: Serbs, Poles, Ukrainians) stories of European fighting spirit (or should that be lack thereof ?) are fit for a comedy sketch. Otherwise plenty potent French forces had basically rolled over and taken it up the arse shortly after the Germans started to pour across.
    By contrast, Russians who were under strict orders to stand down in order to not provoke a German border provocation à la the Gleiwitz incident, by June 23 (one day after Operation Barbarossa had commenced) would already begin to mount counter assaults.
    So before any future Vieux Continent contributor wearing a condescending hat comes on here and tries to crack jokes about 300-plus lb American dim bulbs, they oughta 1st pour themselves a tall, cold glass of STFU.

  156. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 20, 2012 - 3:21 am | Permalink

    @Jarvis Dingle-Daden:

    I would have to give you the nod on that one .
    And you will notice that is the 1st amendment of the constitution that makes the US exempt from thought crimes such as questioning historical hoaxes or questioning the wisdom of rampant immigration .
    The US still has some freedom with the american tradition of valuing such things and so there is some hope , at least for now.

  157. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 20, 2012 - 3:53 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    Beyond that, there is an argument that having tons of cheap labor makes innovation crawl to a halt. Necessity is the mother of invention … if you have tons of cheap slave labor, why come up with new technology? Anyway yes, it is insane to allow millions of illegal non-citizens to roam around freely.

  158. Allen's Gravatar Allen
    March 20, 2012 - 3:54 am | Permalink

    @Free Thinker: Good Point , here is an interesting link showing the demise of the American constitution : http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/15-03-2012/120788-demise_russia_usa-0/

  159. European's Gravatar European
    March 20, 2012 - 4:09 am | Permalink

    @Free Thinker:
    I have read the Book “Other Losses” many years ago. I am just so amazed how Europe is changing since I left.
    As a child we used to sing a song titled: Die Gedanken sind frei, wer kann sie erraten. (our thoughts are free, who can quess, or know them) It was a time of spiritual, mental and emotional freedom, renewal, a recovery, a time where no one dictated to you how to think. Ideals and Free Thinking was encouraged, and with the right education and knowledge gained, we could change the future. So we thought.
    But another oppressive system has taken hold there from the freedom gained, the holocaust religion, that is milking every energy out of the people and land. And it is the same in the US. (victimhood and guilt politics) Sour grapes!

    And Miriam K is back. Where have you been all this time?

  160. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 20, 2012 - 8:58 am | Permalink

    He’s one to behold chaps , the whole very sorry sage of the fraudulent Obama citizenship disgrace . The elites don’t give a fig leaf for the constitution .Just trust us .

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/07-03-2012/120708-arizona_sheriff_obama-1/

  161. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 20, 2012 - 9:36 am | Permalink

    @European: The elites are building a slave state . Why ? Because to hide the history they have invented all the people of the world will have to be brainwashed & criminalised so that none can question their omnipotent rule . All history will have to be myth and social relations will have to be a legal/socialised transaction enacted on very strict limits of ‘good behaviour’ . This won’t be a matter of bad taste but a matter of threatening the state . The Jaws are closing .Jews are once again imposing a dictatorship on the our people to create 100% safety factor for their own.

    Look at this recent ridiculous ruling in the intentional bias(?) case . The whole thing is an absurd and disgraceful motivated show trial deliberately designed to set a precedent. The legal profession is reaching new lows .
    For a start this guy was sharing a room with the suicide . He wasn’t some guy down the hall who was picking on a stranger . ….Imagine if the suicide had been a drunk or a wanker and come home often and flopped out on his bed with booze in hand . Then his room mate had web cammed this and every one had laughter at the drunk and he had killed himself ? Would the cammer be getting 5 years in jail ? Ofcourse not .
    The other absurd thing about this trial was the suicide was not mentioned in the case . Oh no that is not relevant .BS. This is not justice , this is a legal circus .Designed to set new precedents for hate crimes and show trials . These useful idiots are going to make society a sick and devious place to live , by demanding that humans act unnaturally in there perfect behaviour .The result will be that people will become more devious when they don’t like something the law says is forbidden and the law will then try and cover this new moot area of deviousness . This has Talmudic psychology written all over it .

  162. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    March 20, 2012 - 9:47 am | Permalink

    @European: The elites are building a Jewish controlled slave state . Why ? Because to hide their history they have invented , all the people of the world will have to be brainwashed & criminalised so that none can question their omnipotent rule . History , sociology , psychology will have to be invented so that none can reach the wrong conclusions regarding social happiness . This won’t be a matter of bad taste but a matter of threatening the state . The Jaws are closing .Jews are once again imposing a dictatorship on the our people to create 100% safety factor for their own.

    Look at this recent ridiculous ruling in the intentional bias(?) case . The whole thing is an absurd and disgraceful motivated show trial deliberately promoted to set a precedent. The legal profession is reaching new lows .
    For a start this guy was sharing a room with the suicide . He wasn’t some guy down the hall who was picking on a stranger . ….Imagine if the suicide had been a drunk or a wanker and come home often and flopped out on his bed with booze in hand . Then his room mate had web cammed this and every one had laughter at the drunk and he had killed himself ? Would the cammer be getting 5 years in jail ? Ofcourse not .
    The other absurd thing about this trial was the suicide was not mentioned in the case . Oh no that is not relevant .BS. This is not justice , this is a legal circus .Designed to set new precedents for hate crimes and show trials . These useful idiots are going to make society a sick and devious place to live , by demanding that humans act unnaturally in there perfect behaviour .The result will be that people will become more devious when they don’t like something the law says is forbidden and the law will then try and cover this new moot area of deviousness . This has Talmudic psychology written all over it .

  163. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    March 20, 2012 - 9:57 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Here are some things people can do depending on their circumstances:

    1– go long on agricultural indexes by way of investment such as MOO is one example. DYODD

    2- get into farming or agricultural occupations if you’re a young person interested in working with your hands, you can get a low wage job in a slaughterhouse, or for the college kids get a degree in agricultural whatever, and more and more of those offer practicums

    3– take up gardening as a hobby. Hey remember Kievsky? That guy is why I started ten years ago. Time to get at it again now, early thaw this year

    4- for your patriot prepper type, I just saw that Sams club is offering a year supply of dessicated foods for a family of four at $3900 and change. Not my style, but, probably more useful in a pinch then a lot of other things

    Just a few ideas and apologize for the digression.

    it does raise the question however of where we allocate our surpluses. I think the “preppers” ought to be recruited more aggressively by WN and if they just devoted a wee bit of their annual paranoia budgets to things like TOO or what is suggested by KMD above, the campaign thing, then their interests would be better served than by endless stockpiling

  164. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 20, 2012 - 4:02 pm | Permalink

    A comment on the above article by Dr.Macdonald. He says any mention of whites becoming a minority and losing influence, as Pat Buchanan and others have found out, must be expunged from polite society. Well, that’s if you make things complicated, which people always do. The solution is simple, white society must become IMPOLITE. Why complicate these things. Whites must become disgusted, pissed off, mad, intractable, intrepid, whatever, everytime the subject comes up in a disrespectfull manner towards them. Duh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, isn’t that what every other group does?????????

  165. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    March 20, 2012 - 4:06 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra: I have to say a hearty AMEN to everything you have written. Why support this federal beast? Let the arseholes fix their own mess while we support the future of our own families.

  166. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 20, 2012 - 4:10 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: @Vlad Writes: Kind of like what I’m getting at, peacefull non-co-operation.

  167. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 20, 2012 - 5:11 pm | Permalink

    @Anon:
    It sounds like you have a story to tell. People do need to hear what happens in the real world. Perhaps it will inspire those who are in a position to speak freely with the courage they need.

  168. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    March 20, 2012 - 5:55 pm | Permalink

    @Hedgerow: Maybe the effects of diversity on such a magnificent piece of land as California will sober some people up! A long time ago there was a movie called “The Taking of Beverly Hills”. I wouldn’t want to be paying for a mansion there now.

  169. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    March 20, 2012 - 6:35 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Government regulation will support the small black farmer, the small mexican farmer, the jewish farming coop, the asian farmer, but not the white farmer, don’t you think?

  170. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    March 20, 2012 - 6:40 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: I am totally in favor of it, Brother Bobby.

  171. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 20, 2012 - 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Are some of the regular posters even reading the works of MacDonald? I get the impression that about 40% come here with preconceived, half-baked notions about race and Jewish influence and they have absolutely no desire to improve upon it. There is literally a wealth of information on this site available for free from MacDonald. Why not read some of it?

  172. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 20, 2012 - 7:04 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra:
    We do not agree on everything, but I commend your call to action. Perhaps the best advice you offer is to regain control of our own destiny. There may be no better time than this for us to gather our people and forge ahead.

    We have lived in the era of professional experts for far to long. Any look at the current state of affairs reveals the incompetence of the crowd who have been running things. I think that all over the country there is a growing sense that a radically different approach is needed. More and more folks are deciding that if this is the way the system is run there is no point in joining it. I hope to see this manifest in many different ways.

  173. March 20, 2012 - 7:50 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: No I don’t think that. Your anti-government attitude seems to be somewhat misinformed.

  174. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 20, 2012 - 7:55 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: See “regulatory capture”. Subsidies are always sold to the public as a means of supporting precisely the small farmer.

  175. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 20, 2012 - 8:03 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Government should be kept small and regulatory capture is real. But again, you will always have some businessmen willing to hire non-Whites, if it saves money. How in the world could North America ever remain White (assuming it was 100% at some point) without laws that forbid farms to hire cheap brown labor? I can see no alternative to a central government that has the power to override the desires of private individuals in such cases. Can you provide a scenario in which N. America remains White in a purely libertarian or especially anarcho-libertarian society?

  176. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    March 20, 2012 - 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Yes- gated, contractual communities which disallow non-whites. The fence around such communities would be like a quasi-border. Read libertarian Hoppe- perhaps his book on Private Property. Gated communities can have “regulation” without initiating force. Example- a community could make sale of booze prohibited. A seller trying to sell liquor would not be a criminal, but would be in breach of contract.

  177. Will Fredericks's Gravatar Will Fredericks
    March 20, 2012 - 8:40 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Are some of the regular posters even reading the works of MacDonald? I get the impression that about 40% come here with preconceived, half-baked notions about race and Jewish influence and they have absolutely no desire to improve upon it. There is literally a wealth of information on this site available for free from MacDonald. Why not read some of it?

    It isn’t easy to get people to read something that isn’t easy to understand and/or completely compliant with one’s preexisting notions. Whoever wrote Mein Kampf the passages there that elaborated on that human trait seem to have hit the nail on the head, and not just for those outside our movement. Seriously, CoC came out 6 years ago, and although almost every WN/traditionalist forum I’ve been on has been friendly to CoC basic premises, I’ve found few if any people who seem to appreciate some of the more significant implications of it.

    The comments of Tony L

    Give us a break. Even for the agreeable readersi, this article requires just too much effort to follow. Is the author trying to reach 14 people? Reduce it by 50% as a start. Even people with lots of spare time simply will not read it. I’ll give it another try later.

    The Conservative Revolution Then and Now: Ernst Jünger

    really seem to express a common attitude. It’s hard to me to understand, given that compared to works like CoC, even more my sources, I feel like I am already cutting things down/simplifying a great deal, but that’s really a common mentality not just of our opponents but let’s face among us as well.

    Lenin said, “without a revolutionary theory, there can be no revolutionary movement”. Sometimes its scary how few people seem to seriously study/ much less understand, these things.

  178. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 20, 2012 - 9:00 pm | Permalink

    Part of me just wants to say “screw it,” admit that the defeat of the Third Reich was the intellectual, cultural, and symbolic destruction of Europe, and move to some remote country and just drink it up.

    Honestly, why even care at this point? Let the elites destroy what’s left of Europe. The shabbos goy White commies and antifas will be destroyed as well. Western Europe is senile and decaying and Eastern Europe is poor, weak, and essentially hopeless.

    Celine was right: “Stalingrad. There’s a catharsis for you. The fall of Stalingrad was the end of Europe. There’s been a cataclysm. Its epicenter was Stalingrad. After that you can say that white civilization was finished, really washed up.”

  179. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 20, 2012 - 9:13 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: What, you don’t think employment of illegals is already massive, with the most powerful government ever?

  180. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 20, 2012 - 9:21 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I offer you the case of NY co-ops as an illustration of how discriminating non-state entities can be.
    http://realestalker.blogspot.com.au/2007/12/madonna-burning-up-over-co-op-rejection.html

  181. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 20, 2012 - 9:54 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    That’s a good example, with regard to gated communities. And it doesn’t just have to be rich folks who have such things. After all, deed restrictions are quite common and I do believe at one time there were racial restrictions on who could move into a neighborhood. So I agree up to that point. However, your approach would allow a group of free white people to import any number of nonwhites into their community if they so chose. I don’t think that can be allowed.

    The approach you suggest would allow white farmers to import millions of mestizos. I am saying that I do not wish to allow them to do so. Period. I am saying that in order for whites to successfully build a long-term, multigenerational society that works, a central government would be required to curtail actions like that by farmers. You are right that the government isn’t keeping illegals out right now, but that doesn’t mean they are unable to do it. As Operation Wetback showed, illegals can be forcibly removed by government action.

  182. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 20, 2012 - 10:01 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza: I don’t know whether this is what you’re referring to, but Hoppe does address here the typical objections to a private-property solution for excluding undesirables.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/hoppe/hoppe-margins.pdf

  183. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 20, 2012 - 10:01 pm | Permalink

    @Will Fredericks:

    It isn’t easy to get people to read something that isn’t easy to understand and/or completely compliant with one’s preexisting notions.

    Good point. But I do wish people would at least acknowledge that there is a more sophisticated understanding of Jewish influence out there. I’m afraid too many see it is just a fancified version of what they believe already, and it really is more than that. It’s disappointing to see other forums where WNs make points using really backward forms of argument. Some of them do more harm than good. They just reinforce deeply negative stereotypes of white advocates.

  184. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 20, 2012 - 10:02 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    Even if every word you say is true, beautiful white babies are being born and they deserve a future. They are counting on you to make it a good one. You are not alone in this. Quitting is not an acceptable option.

  185. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    March 20, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    The elite have pushed through every disastrous policy they could get away with and have deliberately coordinated with the media to keep the news hushed up so that Americans would have no idea what was happening until it was too late.

    A perfect comment.

  186. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 20, 2012 - 10:10 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I am perplexed as to why they come here. It is quite clear that this site is pitched to people who are willing to think and read.

  187. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 20, 2012 - 10:21 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    That’s just the point, illegals are only profitable when the cost can be socialized – viz. healthcare, education, policing, housing, infrastructure. If the landowner had to confine guest-workers entirely within his own property, and pick up all their tab (including possibly the cost of recapturing guestworkers escaping his ranch), I find it hard to believe that mass immigration would be an issue as it is now, when the State exercises monopoly control over borders.

  188. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 20, 2012 - 10:34 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Championing the State solution to mass migration by citing Operation Wetback is begging the question. Repatriation of illegals acknowledges incompetence in policing borders in the first place. Entrusting repatriation to an entity that cannot or will not effectively exercise exclusion, is this not utopian?

    Prevention rather than cure is an adage that still has currency.

  189. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 20, 2012 - 10:55 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    “Part of me just wants to say “screw it,” admit that the defeat of the Third Reich was the intellectual, cultural, and symbolic destruction of Europe, and move to some remote country and just drink it up.”

    It’s easy to get disheartened if you think that the Third Reich did indeed embody all of the finest European traditions. I see it as the wrong solution to the right problem.

  190. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 20, 2012 - 10:55 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    The heavy social costs of illegal aliens is a good point and it is not borne by the people who hire them. If no illegal alien were allowed access to government paid health care and their children not provided free education, it would certainly reduce their numbers.

    But until we reach a workable stateless society ( if such a thing is possible), I would use government force to restrict nonwhites from immigrating to the United States and to remove those who are here illegally (as start).

    Doesn’t it give you pause that there has never been a stateless society in the history of the world on any continent, at least once humans reach the agricultural level?

  191. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 20, 2012 - 11:03 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    I don’t know how much of it was incompetence in policing borders versus the pressure that agribusiness applied to let them in. But, we do know that governments around the world and throughout history have had success at maintaining homogeneous societies. Of course, it seems easier when the people being kept out are of a different race and are easily identifiable. But again, my main issue is that I cannot wait for the world to catch up to libertarianism before attempting to save whites.

  192. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 20, 2012 - 11:27 pm | Permalink

    @fender: fender hope springs eternal and in life anything can happen,

  193. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    March 21, 2012 - 12:02 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: I’m so used to seeing abuse by the US govt., I guess I just don’t trust them!
    Plus, virtually every govt. assistance program gets abused by insiders. A program to assist small farmers will help everyone but small, white family owned farms. White people exist to be used by the US govt., in case you are unaware of it.

  194. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    March 21, 2012 - 12:36 am | Permalink

    @Will Fredericks: The history of Germany in the early 20th C. is as unlike ours….. as to be breathtaking that so many folks perseverate on it. Communism was, as the cliche goes, an existential threat, with the Munich Soviet, etc. War exhaustion, super inflation, and actual hunger a fact of life for many Germans, and for those who had some property, great financial loss and on top of that were the Versailles reparations that were hobbling Germany, AND, last but not least, a very weak tradition of Liberalism. The Jews were a factor , but only one of many.

    OUr history is Anglo-American, with a complex and “rich” history of Liberalism stretching back at least 200 years, no feudal/aristocratic experience with its consequent lack of Tory Socialism (England) or ancienne regime aristocratic values. Ours has always been a Liberal tradition. Also, we are a Protestant country with more “rich “history of Do=Gooding per the Lord of the Protestants, with little or no Catholic sobriety and intellectuality.

    HItler may have been “reasonable” for Germany, but has no relevance for us except as an example of a quasi-Darwinian approach to nationhood and peoplehood.

    Do I have to mention that NS is a non-starter and Ender of conversation with other folks who might otherwise be interested in our WN?

    We have a lot stuff from places like Counter-Currents that is totally counter-productive to our historical situation. We need to be studying OUR history and Ideas and Religion, and place Germany and NS in the scrapbook of our history, but not our future, present, or intellectual firmament.

    A solid understanding of our histsory, espec LIberal history is the only way to come to a solid understanding of how we can beat the liberals (and the Jews as their mostly religious connection to Protestantism). Anti-liberalism is our goal, and it can only be properly attended to with solid historical knowledge.

    j

  195. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 21, 2012 - 3:07 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Not true, Ireland existed as a stateless society for one thousand years until the invasion by Cromwell.

    But that’s irrelevant, I don’t hold out with bated breath for the stateless society, which may never eventuate here. But to cheer on the entity that has allowed the current mess, and to encourage more of the same seems suicidal. When in a hole, stop digging.

  196. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 21, 2012 - 3:09 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: “my main issue is that I cannot wait for the world to catch up to libertarianism before attempting to save whites.”

    So your solution is what?

  197. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 21, 2012 - 3:11 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: “I would use government force to restrict nonwhites from immigrating to the United States and to remove those who are here illegally (as start).”

    But where are you on the voting ticket to carry out this platform?

  198. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 21, 2012 - 3:25 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    I am for reducing the size of government and that’s enough of a goal for the next few decades. Beyond that, my solutions would be those used by societies in the past to protect their own people. There are many examples. Not all of it would involve government force, but some would. I would use it if I had the opportunity.

    So, I don’t want us putting any plans on hold while we wait for statelessness. And of course, we aren’t. I think Austrian economics offers so much, but I can’t go for the end of every government on earth. Nor do I wish to live in a land with no government. And, at least for the next century, it’s pretty academic since government isn’t going to disappear in the next 100 years.

    RE: Ireland – why didn’t the Industrial Revolution take place there first if statelessness is so good? And were they truly stateless? There were local authorities with the power to compel obedience all over the place.

  199. March 21, 2012 - 4:11 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: I have an uncle that benefited many decades from farm price-supports and somehow being a White man didn’t prevent that.

  200. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    March 21, 2012 - 5:00 am | Permalink

    What has never ceased to amuse me about the Mein Führer™ apologists, has been their refusal to pose an obvious query: Why would that fella named Schicklgruber not pursue a fair bit more achievable task of 1st conquering England (read: City of London), as per his declared vision of Jews as the spawn of Satan, thus once and for all finishing off that scorpion burrow.
    Opting instead to re-direct German military fist toward the geographically largest state on the planet with a record of drawing in and eventually devouring her invaders that stretches for nearly a millenia ?
    And btw, do you know of any continent-based members of the Rothschild clan who were spotted near the gas chambers of the Auschwitz lamp shade factory ?

  201. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    March 21, 2012 - 9:16 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Glad to know it worked out for him – but what was the cost to everyone not in on the game?

  202. Will Fredericks's Gravatar Will Fredericks
    March 21, 2012 - 12:27 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    I know you’ve made these points before and are directed more at what I’d written before. They were/are both good points. Let me start with your first point, about NS, first.

    @Will Fredericks:

    HItler may have been “reasonable” for Germany, but has no relevance for us except as an example of a quasi-Darwinian approach to nationhood and peoplehood.

    Do I have to mention that NS is a non-starter and Ender of conversation with other folks who might otherwise be interested in our WN?

    You certainly don’t have to mention it, and I, as my comments on the article (The Conservative Revolution Then and Now: Ernst Jünger
    )your comments apparently are addressing indicates, I certainly don’t advocate promoting National Socialism here (or for that matter anywhere in the world, now or at any time in the past) as a way of advancing white interests, to White nationalists or anyone else. The conservative revolutionaries were not National Socialists or anything close to National Socialism. You will note on the comment thread I spent much of my time if not most of time time responding to comments by Hadding Scott disputing differences between National Socialism the conservative revolutionaries (like whether On the Marble Cliff’s was suppressed, claiming a resonance between NS and catholic social doctrine, claiming my source on Juenger was too hard on and/or biased against NS, etc. So much so that it took up most of my time.

    The history of Germany in the early 20th C. is as unlike ours….. as to be breathtaking that so many folks perseverate on it. Communism was, as the cliche goes, an existential threat, with the Munich Soviet, etc. War exhaustion, super inflation, and actual hunger a fact of life for many Germans, and for those who had some property, great financial loss and on top of that were the Versailles reparations that were hobbling Germany, (my emphasis)AND, last but not least, a very weak tradition of Liberalism. The Jews were a factor , but only one of many.

    I appreciate your historical sense and I see where you’re going, but first I need to pint out one little flaw in your methodology. Most of those things on the list that supposedly differentiate the Anglo-American world and 20′s Germany, especially those I emboldened, were not just accidental things of history but were the direct and in some cases (reparations) the intentional result of what the Allies imposed on Germany.

    They say the victor writes the history books. Similarly the predator may at times deny kinship with the prey. Actually though hunter and prey are closely linked, and understanding of their symbiosis is essential if one wants to understand the larger picture.

  203. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 21, 2012 - 2:03 pm | Permalink

    @Jarvis Dingle-Daden:

    If the Germans had invaded England, don’t you think the Rothschilds would have been the first to be evacuated to America? Probably even before the royal family?

    Declaring war on the USSR was absolutely necessary. It was probably a tough call to make, but a victory was not impossible. We can criticize some of Germany’s decisions now, decades later, but it was a war that needed to be fought.

  204. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    March 21, 2012 - 2:06 pm | Permalink

    @Will Fredericks: Thanks Will for a reasoned reply, from which this list could profit greatly.

    My remarks were not about your article which appears sound and good to me.
    Instead, I merely raise a very general protest about too much AH and NS material on this list.

    As a someone who has searched over a lifetime for idea or approaches to political reality, I understand the quest. That stated, I would think that WN should by now be adequately oriented, but maybe not.

    Personally, my Orientation is Evolution and Race. Out of that come the secondary considerations of intelligence, culture, sensibility, temperment, religion, and History or historiography.

    How many of us actually know what George Washington was in his personality and thought? The list could go on and on. Some folks here have stated that I am a biological reductionist. Not true. My current interest now is to go beyond the jew-thing, and race and biology, now that that is settled in my own mind, to trying to figure out the LIberalism with which we have burdened ourselves.

    The biological fundamental of this fact we have discussed much. Whites are natural-born liberals, compared to all other races. We invented liberalism, and nobody else. We are individualists, “expressive individualists” per KM, and also Open to the Stranger, far moreso than any other race.

    I hope that folks can see that my developing position is not reductionist, but rather, “expansionist” if you will. Our genes drive us toward Liberalism and liberal Christianity which has had a huge role in our Unnatural Selection of racial Others to be our fellows.

    The study of how we got into this mess has to go way beyond the Jews, and also beyond the Darwinian fundamentals.

    Your historical appreciation of Germany is probably better than mine; I recall Fritz Stern’s The Politics of Cultural Despair, which probably should be a must read for those attending to German history in our period.

    Finally, the attempt to find an Authority Figure is a human drive that is understandable and commendable….up to a point. However, we would be better off trying to find our American sources, including our Enemies’ for our comprehension of our distress. Protestants went back to the OT and have placed Jews somewhere, if not in, then near their hearts. That is a fact we have to understand. More importantly, Protestantism has defined our country, and the primary tendency has been liberal uplift, despite “conservative” tendencies of belief in Depravity and Original Sin, (which Catholics have overcome with baptism and confirmation.)

    W need to understand our own history and our own major figures, and the LIberalism that has infected virtually everyone, espec the Republicans (No Child Left Behind).

    Books that matter for us in this regard: Evolution: Sir Arthur Keith’s Evolution and Ethics (only available on line). In Search of Human Nature , Carl Degler, on the attack on Darwinism in the social sciences. I am reading a book on early 19th C. Liberalism and Religion: The Age of Atonement by Boyd Hilton. For those who think religion epiphenomenal, or merely a mask…this is the book for you.

    I just picked up John Cuddihy’s No Offense: Civil Religion and Protestant Taste. Since he wrote that great book like KM’s on the Jews, Ordeal of Civility, I figure this must be worthwhile.

    Finally, Michael O’Meara’s New Culture, New Right, an account of contemporary revolutionary conservatism in Europe, is a must read. Espec since it covers so much anti-liberal ground.

    Despite our congenital liberalism we managed to be racialist until Hitler and the Jews convinced us otherwise.

    We are living in rapidly changing times. Racial polarization is dramatically rapid. We cannot afford to lose recruits by endless rehash of NS (I talk about National Capitalism to folks…everybody likes it…productivist capitalism, not finance capitalism -with its sly anti-semitic angle). We need to talk the language of Americans, White Americans, who are very very nervous. J

  205. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 21, 2012 - 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Plenty of Implicit Whiteness going on in the huge US uptake of the British band One Direction

  206. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 21, 2012 - 2:47 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: @Jason Speaks: @Vlad Writes:

    Gentleman, Joe Webb is right that we need to look to our own history for the answer. George Washington said:

    ” Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”

    Government is burning out of control. The only ones whom it serves now are those who have bribed lawmakers into writing tailor made laws. The Violence Against Woman Act is a good example. Sounds fine, who if for violence? In the real world, hundreds of millions have been spent, with no reduction in real battering, little help for the victims of battering, instead that vast majority has been spend on empowering a feminists power structure to lecture judges and others in the judiciary to set aside the the usual system of law for all the special victims. Only women can be victims, only men can be violent. The abuses are legion.

    This abuse does not justify the outrage of our government’s dereliction of duty to defend our boarders and enforce our current immigration laws.

    Government should be small, limited and effective. Starve the beast.

  207. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 21, 2012 - 3:02 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    I don’t view our history through the same lens as you, Joe, but I sure do agree that we hear way too much about AH. It is bad enough in a historical piece about Germany. It becomes hard to be patient when nearly every comment thread is branded by his defenders .We are commenting here on race and American politics. Hitler fans need not apply. It hurts us.

  208. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 21, 2012 - 3:10 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    I hope they continue. We had the same response to the Beatles and Stones till Mick Jagger wrote Brown Sugar.

  209. March 21, 2012 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    Despite our congenital liberalism we managed to be racialist until Hitler and the Jews convinced us otherwise.

    I don’t think Hitler had much of a hand in that. Hitler wasn’t in Hollywood making movies, and a lot Hollywood’s representation of him was false.

  210. March 21, 2012 - 7:05 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    Glad to know it worked out for him – but what was the cost to everyone not in on the game?

    That’s utterly beside the point. The point is that regulation of agriculture to protect the small farmer has not had an anti-White bias, at least not in general and not that I am aware. I believe that protecting the small farmer is ultimately for the good of any country that does it.

  211. March 21, 2012 - 7:17 pm | Permalink

    @Will Fredericks:

    You will note on the comment thread I spent much of my time if not most of time time responding to comments by Hadding Scott….

    Sorry, but I don’t think that I am being bad if I point out that you are trying not to notice an elephant in your living room. When you are obviously bending over backwards to not be something (national-socialist), it is reasonable for me to ask why.

  212. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 21, 2012 - 7:33 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: @Joe Webb:

    Good points. The heroes and images that resonate with a particular people will generally come from that people. Of course North American whites have a different experience from European whites (even though we have much in common). It is beyond pointless to use the imagery and personage of someone we fought a bloody conflict with, especially in living memory.

    We are a group of whites with our own unique history that values more individualism and freedom than our continental brothers. No big deal, I’m willing to let them have their system, and I think they’d don’t mind us having our unique political system.

  213. Will Fredericks's Gravatar Will Fredericks
    March 21, 2012 - 7:40 pm | Permalink

    @Will Fredericks:

    OUr history is Anglo-American, with a complex and “rich” history of Liberalism stretching back at least 200 years, no feudal/aristocratic experience with its consequent lack of Tory Socialism (England) or ancienne regime aristocratic values. Ours has always been a Liberal tradition. Also, we are a Protestant country with more “rich “history of Do=Gooding per the Lord of the Protestants, with little or no Catholic sobriety and intellectuality.

    We have a lot stuff from places like Counter-Currents that is totally counter-productive to our historical situation. We need to be studying OUR history and Ideas and Religion, and place Germany and NS in the scrapbook of our history, but not our future, present, or intellectual firmament.

    A solid understanding of our histsory, espec LIberal history is the only way to come to a solid understanding of how we can beat the liberals (and the Jews as their mostly religious connection to Protestantism). Anti-liberalism is our goal, and it can only be properly attended to with solid historical knowledge.

    It is interesting that you bring up anti-liberalism as our goal, as Moeller van den Bruck is practically the high priest of anti-liberalism. Both he and Spengler wrote at length about the Anglo-Saxon world, the differences between it and Germany/Central Europe, and the implications for conservatism in each. It is one of the things that makes their writing so interesting . Moeller in particular concentrated summarized English liberalism pithily “their trump card was their stupidity, and in their stupidity lay their highest shrewdness” by which “the Englishman was free to assert his own right and trample on everyone else’s”.

    That said, I think it is might be a mistake to identify that closely with the Anglo-Saxon world and draw that sharp a line between ourselves and Germany. Moeller thought another alignment more natural, between the “old peoples” (French, British, Italians) and “new peoples” (Germans, Americans, and Russians). Although the other natural cultural alignment I always understood, that between the Protestant countries of Northern Europe, really seems the most basic. One thing NS and most leading paleos did agree on was seeing the emerging teutonophobic mentality in America as basically the product of our interaction with Jewish culture and its impact on America.

    Really, as America grows more and more distant from its founding roots, in many ways it seems to resemble the Anglo-Saxon world less and the nations of central Europe like Weimar Germany more and more.

    @Joe Webb:

    Thanks Will for a reasoned reply, from which this list could profit greatly.

    My remarks were not about your article which appears sound and good to me.
    Instead, I merely raise a very general protest about too much AH and NS material on this list.

    As a someone who has searched over a lifetime for idea or approaches to political reality, I understand the quest. That stated, I would think that WN should by now be adequately oriented, but maybe not.

    Adequately oriented? You must be aware of a different WN world than I am, LOL

    Personally, my Orientation is Evolution and Race. Out of that come the secondary considerations of intelligence, culture, sensibility, temperment, religion, and History or historiography.

    How many of us actually know what George Washington was in his personality and thought? The list could go on and on. Some folks here have stated that I am a biological reductionist. Not true. My current interest now is to go beyond the jew-thing, and race and biology, now that that is settled in my own mind, to trying to figure out the LIberalism with which we have burdened ourselves.

    Richard Brookhiser wrote a book on George Washington, for the reason he thought he was becoming forgotten by history. We’ve already eliminated his birthday. If you’re talking about leaving more DWM’s and their history, like the 20’s Germans, in the dustbin, you need to ponder how full that dustbin is getting.

    The biological fundamental of this fact we have discussed much. Whites are natural-born liberals, compared to all other races. We invented liberalism, and nobody else. We are individualists, “expressive individualists” per KM, and also Open to the Stranger, far moreso than any other race.

    I hope that folks can see that my developing position is not reductionist, but rather, “expansionist” if you will. Our genes drive us toward Liberalism and liberal Christianity which has had a huge role in our Unnatural Selection of racial Others to be our fellows.

    The study of how we got into this mess has to go way beyond the Jews, and also beyond the Darwinian fundamentals.

    Your historical appreciation of Germany is probably better than mine; I recall Fritz Stern’s The Politics of Cultural Despair, which probably should be a must read for those attending to German history in our period.

    Actually I think that book was about the revolutionary conservatives, and like most mainstream books attempts to deconstruct and downplay their significance.

    Finally, the attempt to find an Authority Figure is a human drive that is understandable and commendable….up to a point. However, we would be better off trying to find our American sources, including our Enemies’ for our comprehension of our distress.

    This again is based on your misunderstanding of the revolutionary conservatives. They sought in some senses an authoritative ideology and system, but did not reduce this as National Socialism did from June 1934 on to the Authority Figure (fuhrerprinzip) re: Rudolf Hess’s famous quote “The Party is Hitler! Hitler is Germany, just as Germany is Hitler!”

    Protestants went back to the OT and have placed Jews somewhere, if not in, then near their hearts. That is a fact we have to understand. More importantly, Protestantism has defined our country, and the primary tendency has been liberal uplift, despite “conservative” tendencies of belief in Depravity and Original Sin, (which Catholics have overcome with baptism and confirmation.)

    Protestants didn’t go back to the OT, they went to their easy reading Hal Lindsey and “Left Behind” books, and occasionally their preachers encouraged this by reading from the Scofield bible. Anti-religionists try to find a religious origin for everything. Anti-Semites blame are no more honest in blaming dispensationalist on some inherent weakness in Christianity than the Frankfurt Schoolers were in blaming Nazism on “Positive Christianity” and “Positive Christianity” on Christianity

    We need to understand our own history and our own major figures, and the LIberalism that has infected virtually everyone, espec the Republicans (No Child Left Behind).

    You sound again like you’d really appreciate Moeller “Liberalism is the Death of Nations” van den Bruck.

    Books that matter for us in this regard: …….

    Finally, Michael O’Meara’s New Culture, New Right, an account of contemporary revolutionary conservatism in Europe, is a must read. Espec since it covers so much anti-liberal ground.

    You would think Counter-Currents and the European New Right really would be the people who should have a better understanding and use of the Revolutionary Conservatives. But reading Samuel Francis’s article (one of his last, alas) article

    The Real Right, Part I: New Culture, New Right: Anti-Liberalism in Postmodern Europe by Michael O’Meara I was unimpressed

    “In fact, it is never clear in O’Meara’s account why anyone who embraces post-modernism, whether on the left or the right, would retain any logical grounds for affirming any social fabric or philosophical commitment whatsoever. Despite O’Meara’s somewhat tortured account of how the New Right tries to eat the post-modernist cake while at the same time salvaging traditional identities that post-modernism rejects, the New Right’s position appears inherently arbitrary and contradictory.”

    We are living in rapidly changing times. Racial polarization is dramatically rapid. We cannot afford to lose recruits by endless rehash of NS (I talk about National Capitalism to folks…everybody likes it…productivist capitalism, not finance capitalism -with its sly anti-semitic angle). We need to talk the language of Americans, White Americans, who are very very nervous. J

    I agree we need to be able to talk their language, and, especially at this point talk of National Socialism is not going to be positive (although neither is “National Capitalism“). But we need to be able to think our own language as well. Our problem is that we too often can think no differently than ordinary Americans. (Re: Ron Raul as the savior of WN LOL)

  214. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 21, 2012 - 9:58 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Which “government” are you referring to, Obama II or the Republicans, or some abstraction?

  215. March 21, 2012 - 10:04 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Yes.

  216. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 21, 2012 - 10:21 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: On Ireland, not having a state doesn’t signify an absence of governance, or chaos, as Hobbes would have one believe. The Industrial Revolution can’t have its origins in the nation-state, otherwise its confinement to Western Europe is inexplicable.

    But I still don’t get how you’re going to achieve your stated desire for limited government, can you elaborate? Which party to vote for?

  217. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 21, 2012 - 10:41 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Well, when or if your abstract government gets voted in, I guess we’ll see how small farmers are looked after.

  218. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 21, 2012 - 11:05 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    On Ireland, did that governance require coercion? I mean I suppose we could look at hunter gatherers from 40,000 years ago and say that they were “stateless”, but they nonetheless had rulers capable of dishing out harsh punishments including death. And that’s not a way of life I wish to return to. And all the evidence suggests that life was quite violent in pre-state societies.

    Let me ask you a more fundamental question: do you even care if white people survive in homogeneous societies in reality here on earth? Or is it just a matter of ideological and moral purity on your part? I heard you once say that you were motivated by deontological ethics, which suggests to me that you want to “do the right thing” regardless of real world impact. Is that correct?

    Because that’s not what I’m interested in.

  219. March 22, 2012 - 12:29 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: They were very well cared-for in National-Socialist Germany and I believe that the reforms initiated at that time are still in place. One of the ways that they protect small farmers in Germany and some other countries of Europe is by maintaining high quality-standards for food. Industrial farming involves cutting corners and considerable inhumane treatment of animals; and if cutting corners is illegal, the small farmer is de facto protected.

  220. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 22, 2012 - 6:36 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I still don’t know which party you are advocating right now, your preferred time-frame. Do you endorse A3P?

    On medieval Ireland, far from being a backward hunter-gather society, this paper shows the sophisticated framework of penalties that checked antisocial behaviour.
    http://goo.gl/Sahtq

  221. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 22, 2012 - 7:11 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    I don’t really have a political party that I can support, although I will support A3P. I would always tend to support the political party that will reduce the size of government (but not to zero – which isn’t an option anyway). I honestly have no idea what I will do this November.

    But again, I am not interested in earning wings in heaven or patting myself on the back for my Kantian servitude to a “moral law”. I want real, long term benefits here in the real world.

  222. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 22, 2012 - 1:14 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    I felt the exact same way some years ago when I was “wrapped up in race” Seeing all the white women going for blacks, and the white men basically cherring them on via their liberal, equalitarian BS .
    Then I had an epiphany, a “revealation” if you will…it’s not about race. Its about sex, and the gender power balance. Women go with blacks, drug heads, etc. because they CAN!
    Natural Polarization decrees that men and women be, not just different, with regard to their function in society….BUT OPPOSITE!
    When technology destroys this Natural Polarization you get what you see around you everyday. Degeneracy in all aspects of social life.
    This is why the Muslims are resisting westernization, they have eyes and can see what “equality” has wrought in the Judeo/christian societies. Not that Islam is much better, But it IS better viewed from a perspective of strong, stable, and loyal families.
    Eye opening film; “The Namesake”
    Its sad that people have allowed themselves to be programmed by Big Brother to define “equality” as men and women acting, dressing, thinking the same way, doing the same things, having the same rights, etc.
    It will explode however because you can’t screw with mother Nature indefinately….All those motherless children will one day grow up. and there will be hell to pay!

  223. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    March 22, 2012 - 4:01 pm | Permalink

    @Will Fredericks: great post. I agree with you about O’mera’s flirtation with some of the European New Right silliness with regard to post-modernism’s relativism (in a word). Still, overall, while O’Meara is a friend, we sightly disagree about a little, but not much.

    One reads a book not because it is perfect but because it is helpful and useful.

    With regard to Stern’s Politics of Cultural Despair you are correct; Stern in a Jew. Nevertheless it is a great read/historiography.

    Speaking of that German history…It is sooooo different from ours …amazing.

    Also, speaking of books, Fischer’s Albion’s Seed is a must read imho. You want to understand regional and cultural differences today….go back to the 17th C. presented in his book.

    We need an American White Nationalist Discourse. On my table is Degler’s In Search of Human Nature. I am told that he documents the fall of Darwinism in the social sciences and that that fall is largely, not wholly ( Boas, et al), a result of world war 2 and AH and the splendid opportunity presented to our enemies to kill off Darwinism. He also subtitles the book, and the “revival” of Darwinism. Thanks Will for your knowledgable words. Joe

  224. March 22, 2012 - 5:52 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    I am told that he documents the fall of Darwinism in the social sciences and that that fall is largely, not wholly ( Boas, et al), a result of world war 2 and AH and the splendid opportunity presented to our enemies to kill off Darwinism.

    “Our enemies” created their own opportunity. I should think that you would have learned by now, especially in light of the recent experience with Iraq, that war-propaganda is bunk, especially since it is more or less the same kind of lie every time.

  225. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 22, 2012 - 8:03 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Part of our problem is Denial, (and thereby the implicite condemnation of) Adolf Hitler. That people go all horrified and repulsed at his very name just proves how programmed they really are.
    Yes Hitler killed a lot of Jews (war is hell) But all wars have starving prisoners on the losing side, Andersonville prison comes to mind.
    But what exactly did Hitler do that was so horrible as to make his very name synonymous with the total embodyment of evil? Especially in light of the fact that the “Holocaust” was mostly myth.
    Consider this; Hitler dreamed of and fought a war to establish a white homeland that would last a thousand years. Jews and communists were his enemies…In war you kill your enemies. One can, as I do, disaprove of his methods, but if you disavow his goal what are you doing on a WN site?

    Holocaust; To be totally consumed by fire. as in a sacrifice…..
    This is much more descriptive of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden which really were TOTALLY CONSUMED BY FIRE, than all the Jewish typhoid victims partially burned in Hitler’s Crematoriums.
    But lets assume that he in fact did murder the full six million and further assume that he did it with fire. Why should that make his name unspeakable? What about Mao, Lenin, and stalin. why is it ok to mention their names, but not Hitlers? What about the Bush’es deliberate starvation of a million and a half Iraqi children? (Saddam’s estimate,) (500,000 UNESCO estimate) It’s perfectly OK to talk about these War Criminals…The “world court” deemed prosequting them would be “impractical”
    I don’t often talk about Hitler or National Socialism because I think that race is another false God. But a white homeland envisioned by him is perfectly natural and desirable if achieved naturally, through education. and war only as a last resort. Hitler was a man, not a “Devil”

  226. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 22, 2012 - 10:23 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I appreciate your concern with the immediacy of the problem, which is why I can’t figure out why you said this on “A New Call of the Wild” blog:

    “I suspect it will take a lot longer than people think – I don’t think we’ve even laid the foundation yet. That’s why, although I respect the intent behind A3P, I suspect its too soon to go retail. Not sure.”

  227. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    March 22, 2012 - 10:32 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley: two major problems with AH: he thought going East was ok (slavs bad), and the Fuhrer Prinzip.

    L’etat c’est moi.

    And then there is the problem of a narrow nationalism as opposed to a White Nationalism, a subset of #1.

  228. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 22, 2012 - 10:35 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    And on “The Empire Attacks Ron Paul”:

    “But as I mentioned in another post, the might of the US government is fantastic; it truly is a hyper-power. And it isn’t going to dissolve anytime soon. But maybe this isn’t all bad. We have an opportunity to gain influence over the most powerful machine on earth (not anytime soon and not completely, but perhaps someday).”

    I fail to sense any urgency, nor any plan of action for immediate effect.

  229. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 22, 2012 - 10:39 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Most likely I said that because, well, it pretty much summed up how I felt at the time and still do. I do think it may be too soon to go retail and that more “wholesale” work should be done (as far as pushing a specific political party). But any solution is likely a multistep affair. Anything that stops non-white immigration to white nations is good – period. Even if that is accomplished via government action! So what’s not to understand?

  230. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 22, 2012 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    I don’t understand what you are saying. I am urgent about doing what we can to keep white nations as white as possible. I am not as urgent about whether the government helping to accomplish this is limited free market, socialist, fascist or monarchy.

    So, I’m saying the most important thing we can do is keep white nations as white as possible. And I wouldn’t want to suggest that only one form of government (or non-government) can do that. Many can and have.

  231. March 22, 2012 - 10:52 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: I would describe Adolf Hitler’s nationalism as rather similar to what some people now call “kinism.” It wasn’t really all that narrow.

    Your indication that Adolf Hitler started the war in 1939 because he wanted territorial expansion into the east is wrong. The war with Russia in 1941 also was not started for that reason. In both cases war was commenced as a matter of strategic necessity.

  232. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 22, 2012 - 10:53 pm | Permalink

    In order to make change you must undermine the status quo,
    and those who control the past control the present and all that.

    The major event that brought in, and supports, modern mutli-cult humanist globalism is WW2.
    The modern political status quo is built on sand.
    Popular understanding that Hitler along with NS was not satan would a long way to cut at the roots of modern political correct globalism.
    It’s very important to WN, IMO .

  233. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 22, 2012 - 10:54 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Let me pose the question I asked earlier:

    Let me ask you a more fundamental question: do you even care if white people survive in homogeneous societies in reality here on earth? Or is it just a matter of ideological and moral purity on your part? I heard you once say that you were motivated by deontological ethics, which suggests to me that you want to “do the right thing” regardless of real world impact. Is that correct?

    Is that a fair summation of your position?

  234. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 22, 2012 - 10:56 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    I never said Hitler didn’t have problems, It’s just that his dream of a white homeland wasn’t one of them. And He should be looked at objectively as a figure of his time, instead of through a Jew lens.

  235. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 22, 2012 - 11:10 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:
    There can be little doubt that he was a sick and tormented individual. But he recognised this and correctly attributed it to the social degradation of not just his own family, but society at large. He saw through the facade of Democracy/equality/communism but imo was oblivious to the role of Big Brother in the technological era. preferring to see Big Brother as JEW ONLY. My opinion, I wasn’t alive then.

  236. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 22, 2012 - 11:27 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:
    I agree that wwII was the major single event. But multi culti, “democracy” equality, etc. was already well under way with the rise of communism. The womens suffrage became a fact around 1920, well before Hitler wrote “mein Kampf. and the Jews were well established in all the major world capitols, preaching equality, diversity, etc for OTHERS while remaining aloof and klanish as ever among themselves.

  237. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 22, 2012 - 11:40 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:
    “The modern political status que is built on sand.”
    Very good, and all we have to do is blow, and not hide our heads in it. Sooner or later, the whole issue of who defines our terms, our morals, our very reality has to be confronted, full on, with no shame or apology.

  238. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 22, 2012 - 11:44 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    “And then there is the problem of a narrow nationalism as opposed to a White Nationalism, a subset of #1.”

    A united Europe governed out of Berlin would have been a form of White nationalism.

  239. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 23, 2012 - 12:10 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    I totally agree on the women. The men have suffered too. But the ones who must bear the brunt of all the dystopian side effects are the kids, neglected, abused, abandoned, farmed out, fostered out, and kicked out, how many born today even have a biological father living at home…I wonder.

  240. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 23, 2012 - 12:33 am | Permalink

    @pessimist:

    “It’s just matter of time before we have Great Depression 2.0. When that happens watch out. And if anyone thinks the Mexicans and Blacks are going to sit quietly when their supply of free s**t stops coming as a result of a economic implosion? No, they’ll burn down those cities they live in for starters and probably end up starting the race war that many see as inevitable.”

    1) If there is a race war, it’s going to be between the Mexicans and Negros. The shooting of Treyvon Williams by Jorge Zimmerman proves that.

    2) Remember White Flight? Most Whites no longer live in the big cities. The most racially aware Whites have moved waay out into the exurbs or small towns, well away from the conflict.

    3) That leaves the Disingenuous “White” Liberals running the country. I’ll miss them …. NOT!

    4) Those jackbooted storm-troopers may be drilling in Small Town USA for a STHTF scenario, but are our fearless leaders in Congress really going to be concerned about some redneck in WV or the WA, DE and MD ghettos surrounding the capital? Put yourself in their place and think about it.

    5)When the free stuff runs out, we are going to see mass self-deportions going on, because it makes no sense to stick around if the gravy train has stopped running. Most illegals here have made sure to pay their little rancheros off and will scamper across the border, satisfied that they have soaked Uncle Sappy for all they can.

    6) I guess that means the Jews will have to either make aliyah to Israel OR better yet, find a new host in China. I assure you the Chinese are well-acquainted with their antics and are expecting them. So, while we focus on rebuilding the country, they both can provide us with some great entertainment watching how those two crazy kids get on.

    7) I can’t see the country formally disintegrating with a bunch of states seceding, but we will see a very weakened federal government and states that function more like autonomous republics reconfigured largely by racial lines.

    Yeah, I know that I’m probably a cock-eyed optimist. We will be a lot poorer and it may take several generations to get back a modicum of what we lost, but hopefully the White children we raise up will be a lot savvier than the last three generations.

  241. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 23, 2012 - 12:51 am | Permalink

    @fender:
    “I think it’s you who misunderstands me. I am not insulting physical labor and nor am I arguing for parasitic politics, I am arguing for an increase in the quality of White people. As noble as you may find physical labor to be, the world today is run by either computers or people who have computer-like minds. If you don’t want the destiny of Whites to be determined by 170-IQ superasians then you better start placing more emphasis on intellect.

    Wars today are won by techies flying unmanned drones around a battlefield, blowing away Arabs and whoever else the tribe wants us to kill, people who stll think you win battles through numbers and force. AI programs on Wall Street make world-shaking economic decisions in a billionth of a second. It’s not a world of physical confrontation anymore; great nations live and die by the click of mouse buttons. The days of blood and soil are over…now it’s a matter of foresight and brainpower. ”

    Blood and soil is still very important or Whites would not be encouraged to limit their families while other races are encouraged to breed like cockroaches on viagra.

    You put way too much emphasis on book smarts and not enough on street smarts. Our country is being run into the ground by Harvard and Princeton and Ivy elite eggheads with high IQ (idiot quotients).

    Remember the big Y2K scare? There was serious concern over how reliant we were on the almighty computer. Moreover, think of this; there isn’t a computer program out there that cannot be hacked and infected with a virus. We need to have the men in place with the real intelligence and mechanical skills to keep things running when the computer does not automatically flip on and start the process.

    Whites are both intelligent and creative. Whites are obsessed with health and nutrition more than any other race. We can focus on making sure Whites get proper nutrition and prenatal care to generate healthy, intelligent offspring who will not end up as Deliverance stereotypes if they know how to wire a house or fix your car or put in your plumbing.

  242. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 23, 2012 - 1:40 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Here’s where I’m confused: in the two quotes I put up, you talk as “we”, implying some sort of collective entity or political group, and yet in your reply above the “we” is gone, and it’s just “I”.

    I don’t know what “wholesale” action refers to, nor do I understand how you’re going to realize your wishes without some precise idea of the political vehicle to be selected. Nor do have I seen any of your posts on National Socialism that weren’t hostile, so I don’t think it’s accurate to say you’re indifferent to the precise form of government. Maybe the German form of keeping Germany “white” was a different platform to its Amren analogue of today.

    So in short, if I can be accused of not being in touch with the real-world and more enamoured of pure abstractions, then I’m certainly in good company.

  243. H. Woods's Gravatar H. Woods
    March 23, 2012 - 2:32 am | Permalink

    This Trayvon Martin lynch mob is deeply disturbing, I’ve never seen quite the likes of it. It’s taken on the characteristics of a religious cult with any suggestion that the orthodox myth hasn’t yet been proven being howled downed as heresy. It simply goes to show that despite the internet the media still controls the national conversation and they’ll shamelessly use it to promote white hating racism. The obscene and ridiculous theme of poor black men and boys being targets could only be floated in a world where the media has the power to suppress news like the rape and murder of 85 year-old Nancy Strait in Tulsa, the butchering of the Marchand family in Louisiana, and the ongoing trial of one of the thugs who murdered two British tourists, all black on white atrocities and all happening at the same time as the Martin case. Reality is still what they say it is, at least social and political reality.

  244. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 23, 2012 - 2:41 am | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:

    @John hearns:
    I agree that wwII was the major single event. But multi culti, “democracy” equality, etc. was already well under way with the rise of communism. The womens suffrage became a fact around 1920, well before Hitler wrote “mein Kampf. and the Jews were well established in all the major world capitols, preaching equality, diversity, etc for OTHERS while remaining aloof and klanish as ever among themselves.

    Yes , and Hitler NS fought communism and darn near won , but, the allies fought Hitler allowing communism half the world, and communism marches on to this day as WN’s know all too well.
    And so , who won the war? The good guys or the bad guys?

    This is the sand that I referred to.

  245. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 23, 2012 - 2:41 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Well, that’s a fair point, I’ve probably been fuzzy about what kind of government I would support as the ultimate ideal. I think that’s because my emphasis has shifted toward trying to save white civilization more than finding the optimal form of government. You’re right, I’m not a fan of National Socialism. So, if we are arguing what direction to go in I would not point that way as an ideal – however if national socialists were the only people around who were pro-white, I’d be forced to throw in with them, at least for a while.

    And a lot of my problem with NS is the unnecessary stigma it brings to white advocacy. Beyond that, I’ve simply realized that while I definitely support free markets and limited government, white people have thrived under many political systems. I think I would put it this way: the primary objective over the next 100 years is to protect white people as much is possible. I think I bristle at the idea that there is only one political system capable of accomplishing that – whether it be libertarianism, anarchism, or NS.

    I think all the information about Austrian economics is extremely valuable, I just would not make it the top priority with regard to saving white people. You have a right to your own opinion, I just don’t really hear you saying that saving a nation for white people is of interest to you. Maybe that’s because you don’t believe in nations to start with. But for the foreseeable future, we will live in a world with nationstates and we have to have a plan for saving whites that works within that paradigm.

  246. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 23, 2012 - 2:58 am | Permalink

    In hind sight ; the fact that Britain and the US , etc etc , allied with the Soviets against Germany is absolutely staggering , but , some how it is like the elephant on the coffee table that the world is some how able to ignore.
    None the less , it is revealing of the power of the status quo to maintain the foundation of sand .

  247. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 23, 2012 - 3:03 am | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley: Henry, I believe you hit the main point on all of the Hitler talk. The point is indeed, not about Hitler per se, so often, it’s that our reaction and over-reaction to this one historical figure, should be use to make us understand ourselves better.

  248. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 23, 2012 - 3:04 am | Permalink

    @H. Woods:
    Have you seen a pic of the 16 year old accused of that double murda? Some place him at 15 when the killing happened.

    Sheesh! And his sperm donor dad was a violence criminal as well [no surprise].

  249. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 23, 2012 - 3:04 am | Permalink

    Some might say that the holocaust (c) was reason for the allies to fight Germany , but , as some are aware , that one is sand too.

  250. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 23, 2012 - 3:12 am | Permalink

    @H. Woods:
    Good points BUT people see things thru the lens of their mind. Blacks need to feel oppressed as an excuse for the failures of their race.
    Meanwhile Obama is blaming Rush.

    Re: ‘Trayvon Martin lynch mob’ , I say its the ‘Lynch Zimmerman’ mob.

  251. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 23, 2012 - 5:38 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I’m interested more in the well-being of European-descendent peoples, and not than in their respective nation-states, convinced that the two have competing interests, notwithstanding propaganda to the contrary.

    And as you call it, the already hyperpowered US government is able to police AA rigorously but not its own national integrity in the form of border-hoppers and dual-passport non-whites. What more perfect, real-world example could you ask for to illustrate antagonism between the state and its own subjects?

  252. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 23, 2012 - 10:26 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    Looks like the bad guys won. so much for truth always prevailing.

  253. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    March 23, 2012 - 10:31 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: It may be utterly beside your point, but not mine, that many other people who don’t deserve help benefit when the govt. favors a group of people with a program as worthy as “helping the small family farm”. In such a situation, it is also merely a matter of time before black farmers, mexican farmers, jewish farmers, and asian farmers claim they were discriminated against and get another pile of money for them and their lawyers. If a third generation farmer cannot survive with his inherited land and equipment, and years of teaching from his parents, let him get a job like the rest of us. Plenty of food will be available one way or the other. Less government will be the result, and less taxes. So if your favorite uncle loses his farm because of it, I’m sorry, but many others will be better off. Essentially, any govt. program, no matter how worthy it would be in a perfect world, is first designed to help the politicians, then non white people, who will still manage to complain about being discriminated against, anyway.

  254. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    March 23, 2012 - 10:51 am | Permalink

    @H. Woods: I don’t know why the Treyvon Martin case is so disturbing. A mexican wanna be cop named Zimmerman didn’t like a black guy in his neighborhood, so he chased him down, got in a fight, and shot him. He realized he screwed up, and claimed self defense. The blacks know they have a good case here, so they are running with it. They are milking it and trying to bash white people over the head with it. We look stupid defending the guy, and he is a mexican! Why should we shed a tear for a mexican who killed a black guy? Why should we defend a misapplication of self defense. If mexicans don’t like blacks, they should say so, and they should defend this guy. Let them fight it out with the blacks! Blacks and mexicans fight in prison and LA streets all the time, anyway.
    In addition to all that, I think he should have just let the black kid run off. If they retreat, let’em go.

  255. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    March 23, 2012 - 12:03 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Excellent comment.

  256. Will Fredericks's Gravatar Will Fredericks
    March 23, 2012 - 3:51 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    Fuhrerprinzip is the certainly nature of NS, then and now, and manifestations to the contrary that there is really anything else involved in it is in my experience just another grandiose deception of National Socialists, albeit at times possibly a little self-deception.

    After rereading Kilzer’s book Hitler’s Traitor’s I am struck about how a strong argument can be made this weakness was the ultimate reason for the victory of communism over the Third Reich and the victory of communism. It wasn’t Allied connivance with Stalin, and it is a misunderstanding, if an understandable one, to view the Third Reich as despite its faults, as a still heroic regime engaged in a noble war against communism which we unfortunately sabotaged.

    On the contrary it was a stupid incompetent regime which was handed every possible advantage against the Soviet Union, and frittered these advantages away because of its incompetent nature. It lost because it was unworthy to win, and thus those in power decided to cede power to Stalin by ensuring he won the war.

    I’m not talking about Roosevelt or Churchill. I’m talking about hi-ranking men in the Third Reich itself, including men like Heinrich “Gestapo” Muller (Head of the Gestapo) and Martin Bormann, (second in power only to Hitler himself). Once one correctly understands the decline of National Socialism as arising from internal factors then as now, one sheds once and for all any illusions not only as to its suitability in any way as a model but as an object for any sympathy.

  257. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 23, 2012 - 6:28 pm | Permalink

    @H. Woods:

    The semitic media is doing what they always do: riling up the child-like, non-thinking blacks into a frenzy so they can do the only thing they know how to do: “f*ck some sh*t up.” It doesn’t matter if the guy who shot Traytable or whatever his name was is Latino. The meda wants the mass of animalistic blacks and the dumb White liberal goyim on the warpath.

  258. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    March 23, 2012 - 6:33 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I admit to being surprised that you, Jason—i.e., as opposed to half a dozen other regular commenters I can think of—would even frame such a question. Are you suggesting that resistance to the oppression of white people and (not to mince words) to what amounts to their eventual elimination is in some nonnegligible sense deontologically, hence morally, dubious? I had not imagined that you were quite so sympathetic to unbounded cynicism.

    I frankly cannot picture a “real world” worth living in where the sense of duty is divorced from what I understand as my “interests,” whatever they may be and however precisely they may be defined. Also, is it not the case that the people ruling the present-day “real world”—a world whose very shape and substance is almost completely of their own devising—represent nothing less than the enfleshed Platonic form of this divorce?

    Do you truly think that a world hospitable to whites, even pagan or postpagan whites, can be confected or assembled by people who have transformed themselves into Jews in all but name?

    I don’t.

  259. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    March 23, 2012 - 6:42 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: I did not suggest, hint or otherwise claim that AH started the war for movement Eastward. However, that intent was there in a general way. It fit with AH’s preference for a farming, or agriculture based country.

  260. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    March 23, 2012 - 6:46 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius (and @Alice Teller): It certainly is. I thank the admirable lady who made it, and I thank you for drawing it to my attention.

    Iterum vobis valedico.

  261. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    March 23, 2012 - 6:46 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: well, the propaganda following WW 2 was to be expected. However, it was based on a revulsion…popular….to the racial aspects of the war, and not only Germans, but the Japanese as well. An old German friend of mine put it this way a few years ago….Hitler…??well he went too far. j

  262. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 23, 2012 - 7:20 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    “The fact is the Republican elite are scum. Why? They don’t demand voter I.D. and a strict policy of making sure if those voting are even eligible. Latino’s, for example, we are constantly told have this huge impact. But how can that be? There are at least 20 million latinos’ that aren’t even eligible to vote. Thus, when the GOP doesn’t take advantage of this, they are creating their own doom.

    Every time I see pictures of these solid and serene looking GOP voters, they have these expressions, fixed as it were ,by the dried syrup of yesterdays pancakes. Compare them to Democrat voters, animated and ready to get down and dirty. Just my personal thought on why I believe that party is useless as any instrument of change–they’re just going through the motions.”

    The repugnant party is nothing more than controlled opposition; it’s the same Marxist cabal that is running the country. There is less than a sliver of difference between the two sides except the Democrats are openly Anti-White and the Republicans are secretly anti-White. Democrats like to bitch about every ME war and every anti-”terrorist” initiative to look like the pacifists, but they do nothing to roll anything back. It’s not a democracy; it’s a duopoly. There is “’gentleman’s’ agreement” between these two and that is, approximately every eight years, they get their turn to rape the country.

    TPTB seriously screwed up by allowing Barak Obama to get the presidency. Michael Savage may be a flaming Zionist, but he was dead on when he warned that BO is a loose cannon and that the people who think they can control him are in for a rude awakening.

    There is no doubt in my mind if, God help us, we’d been subjected to “President McCain,” that comprehensive amnesty would have been formally passed in Congress and we’d be at war with Iran and Syria even as I type this. I don’t think a Black Muslim in office has been as disastrous for the country as all that in view of this.

    There is also no doubt in my mind that every single hate crimes bill and other infringements on free speech and direct assaults on the Constitution that BO has staged would have also been done by McCain. And I could see a neo-con version of Al “My People” Holder turning a blind eye on Negro antics while hammering White “racists.”

    So, when I look at all the yarmulke-wearing idiot Republicans kissing kosher keister and making a point of bowing down to the Wailing Wall, I am inclined to keep BO thinking the country has nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing so. If BO gets re-elected, I think he will tell AIPAC what part of his anatomy that they can kiss. I also think he will do the same to La Raza Cosmica.

    Yeah, we may still have the black youth continue to “express” themselves very, very obnoxiously on every street by bullying any body out there that they see as helpless. But if racially aware Whites are smart, this can work to our favor, providing Whites everywhere are resolved to stop supporting the government through informal boycotts of all products not essential to survival and producing only enough wealth to marginally care for themselves.

    The government will be forced to cut entitlements and even though there is the implicit threat that they will cut Medicaid and social security, if the Neocons don’t say something, Paleocons will point out that those entitlements were already pre-paid for by the elderly recipients and that it is time to cut benefits to welfare queens and their bastards. We will also see the leftists promoting the idea that there is no excuse to spend all this money on one military adventure after another when it could be used to fund these benefits. A more eloquent candidate than Ron Paul would recommend doing both; cutting off welfare benefits AND ending military adventures, so it would be a win-win situation.

    I do see an interim period where government will act incrementally by finding various, ingenious excuses to throw people off the welfare rolls, I can see them implementing stringent new means tests AND eliminating some agencies in order to replace them with a serious unit dedicated to welfare fraud investigation. However, I do think they will also have to gradually reduce the benefits by allotting less money and foodstamps and forcing the recipients to pay higher Medicaid copays AND higher rent for low-income housing.

    Mind you, though I think they will find a way to kick every single White family off the welfare rolls before they move on to the other, but ultimately, I believe that we are going to see some major upsets between the competing non-White groups for any leftover gravy that are going to end up degenerating into total violence. That is why I am hoping that any Whites move far from these cities, because the black on latino gang-banging we see right now is going to be like a crap shoot compared to the welfare fights.

    In any case, this will also ultimately work to our benefit if we stay strong and refused to be cowed or intimidated by mobs throwing tantrums in the city, into throwing more money at them. Urban “youths” will predictably vent their rage on whoever is handy; that means other Non-Whites living in those areas with them.

    IMO, many “undocumented workers” will self-deport back Mexico. And before the doom-and-gloom people predict Mexico annexing the Southwest, I believe, for all their blather about Azatlan, Mexican Americans will be too few in number to do that. They can try to slip across the border themselves to Mexico, but I think Mexico’s draconian immigration laws will make it clear how little the Mexican elite value those “pochos.”

    The ultimate result will be disillusioned Non-Whites across the board, sick and tired of being rope-a-doped by the government, and I believe that, for their own self-preservation, they will align with any racially aware Whites behind law and order candidates.

  263. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 23, 2012 - 7:38 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    “I love the term white loyalist. Feminism taught white girls that they owed loyalty not to their own people, families, husband and children, but to the rainbow coalition fighting for their freedom. The results have been dismal. We have lost the freedom to rear our own children in a protected environment. All societal indicators show the downhill trend. Most of all, it is based on the interchangeability of men and women. Our children are suffering the consequences.”

    May I steal the term, “White Loyalist” from you? It sounds so much better than “White Nationalist” and I love the implicit accusation of race treason applied to any Antifa or Antira White.

    Better yet, how about “White Family Loyalist?”

    Gentlement, please feel free to weigh in, but I think Alice Teller stumbled on precisely the perfect termination to rebrand ourselves in a positive way, especially in this globalist hellhole that is today’s world.

  264. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 23, 2012 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius: @Pierre de Craon:
    Thank you, both of your voices have been sadly missed. I am ill-equipped to replace either of you in defense of the Faith. I know we are promised that the gates of hell shall not prevail but this is one tough crowd!

  265. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 23, 2012 - 8:15 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra:
    I love the phrase as well as you version, but I cannot claim credit. I was stuck on white freedom – which is my goal. I stole white loyalist from Bear.

  266. March 23, 2012 - 8:22 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    An old German friend of mine put it this way a few years ago….Hitler…??well he went too far.

    And that gets back to the question, what did he really do? How much of what we’ve been told is bunk? You don’t seem very interested in asking those questions.

  267. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 23, 2012 - 9:24 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Well to be honest, it gets a bit tricky for me when we get into technical definitions of ethics and philosophy. But in some ways I do have a problem with deontological ethics as opposed to the consequentialist version (as I’ve usually seen it posed). The problem I have with “duty ethics” is the idea that there exists a moral law that we should follow regardless of real world consequences. In other words, I’m not a fan of marching off a cliff, just because we think it’s the “right” thing to do. And I would suggest there really shouldn’t be such a gulf between what is right and what is in our long-term self-interest.

    Now of course, there could be situations where all you can do is march off a cliff. Maybe a person decides they would rather go down with the ship rather than live in a despicable world. But then again, that seems like paying attention to the consequence (not wanting to live in a bad environment) and not purely following a duty. So I must confess to some confusion on the whole issue.

    I’m certainly not suggesting we become glib, superficial sharpies who have no allegiance to a higher cause or to the future. Mainly, I want to convey that life is indeed serious business which plays out here, on earth, in the real world, and is not just a game of Dungeons & Dragons. And also, if we find ourselves in a situation in which whatever strategy we are employing isn’t yielding real world benefits, we should at least seriously review what we are doing and not just keep our heads blithely in the clouds. Let’s march off the cliff with eyes wide open.

    I’m also aware that some of the greatest moments in human history were made possible when men followed what they considered their duty, regardless of consequences. A complete sense of certainty often provides very practical benefits. But I’m also aware, that good men are often led astray not so much by sin, but by a misguided or unquestioning sense of duty.

    I’ll leave you with this: what if people on both sides of the Civil War had been thinking ahead to the real world consequences of their actions? What if abolitionists had gotten off their moral high horse for a few minutes and truly considered the practical impact of their actions? What if hotheads in the South, instead of valiantly fighting to the death, had been a bit shrewder before firing on Fort Sumter? What if they had factored in a cold-eyed analysis of the real world situation, as opposed to simply crying out their unquestioning loyalty to Dixie?

  268. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 23, 2012 - 9:40 pm | Permalink

    @H. Woods:
    I too find it disturbing. Perhaps the saddest part is that they don’t care who gets killed, just who does the killing. The same week in Chicago ( I think) ten people were killed and forty people were wounded in gang violence. The youngest was a baby. Who care? Not the black Congresswoman who are crying crocodile tears over the youth in Florida.

  269. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 23, 2012 - 9:52 pm | Permalink

    @H. Woods:

    You notice how George Zimmerman suddenly became white? If you look at the guy he doesn’t look white and in fact he’s half Peruvian. Normally we would call him Hispanic. So basically a brown guy shoots a black guy and white people are to blame! Of course, something like 50 people a day are murdered in the United States and since this case happened, well over 1000 people have been killed – yet we hear nothing of their stories.

    So, if this had been an mestizo killing a black guy in a robbery it would get little press. If it had a brown/black person killing a white person it would get zero press.

  270. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 23, 2012 - 10:16 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Oh and to provide context, I was responding to some of the posts Trenchant (whom I respect) made with regard to the principles of economics and social organization. As he surmised, I felt he was on the verge of living in a world of pure abstraction and neglecting the real world. So, it’s not that I consider saving white people a dubious deontological project – far from it!

    And to be honest, I was posing the question to help clarify my own thinking. I just don’t want us to become self-satisfied with our devotion to a set of moral principles, even though we might be failing in the real world.

  271. March 23, 2012 - 11:04 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra:

    Gentlemen, please feel free to weigh in…

    I’m not sure I qualify as a gentleman, but I like the term “White Loyalist.”

    Very nice, in my opinion. Thanks to whoever created it.

    I thought of another possible name right now:

    European-Rights Activist.

    Or maybe White Preserver or White Preservationist.

    Maybe those are not great (or good) but they came to me and I thought I’d include them as a possibilities.

    Have a good weekend, everybody.

  272. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 23, 2012 - 11:50 pm | Permalink

    @Will Williams:

    “In commenting on the futility of trying to adapt the Middle-Eastern yahwehist creed to the spiritual needs of European man, Ben Klassen, a smart man, indeed, said: “Why pick through a barrel of rotten apples for a bite or two that’s edible when Nature gives us bounteous orchards from which to pick fresh, delicious apples?” Klassen didn’t want gullible, suggestible, superstitious lambkin followers in his Church; he wanted wolves — ones smart enough to see that we can be both idealistic race thinkers and realistic. He valued common sense and logic; science and lessons from our history, but foremost, the eternal Laws of Nature. Christianity is not grounded in reality. Fact! It’s escapist. It’s universalist. It does not serve the interests of the race. Read the Sermon on the Mount with a critical eye as Mr. Klassen did. Read his eye-opening interpretation of that suicidal “Lift up thine enemy” claptrap. ”

    Christianity wasn’t always the hollow-chested, emasculated religion it is now. The down side? The sectarian factionalism that made Whites kill each other, but Ferdinand and Isabella successfully repelled both Jews and Muslims from Spain under the Christian banner during Reconquista and it was under a Christian banner that John Sobieski of Poland kicked Turkish ass at the Siege of Vienna.

    I am by no means suggesting that any new Christian church with its current universalism and dispensationalism be constructed by a White loyalist preacher. I am talking about White loyalists starting new churches that preach a form of Ben Klassens Creativity, well-armed with Bible verses to back it up.

    Yes, you can point to CI sects, but my problem with them is that they operate under the questionable premise that Whites comprise the ten lost tribes of Israel and I contend that Whites are the direct descendants of Japheth and should want no part of either house of Shem or their silly desert demiurge or moon idol. That is not OUR God!

    In the earliest stage Yahweh was one of the seventy children of El, each of whom was the patron deity of one of the seventy nations. This is illustrated by the Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint texts of Deuteronomy 32:8–9, in which El, as the head of the divine assembly, gives each member of the divine family a nation of his own, “according to the number of the divine sons”: Israel is the portion of Yahweh.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

    In Slavic languages, for example:

    Rod = creator of life and existence and oldest European god (according to some historians)

    národ = nation

    rod = tribe/lineage/descent/gens

    rodina = family

    Odin AKA O-Rod the All-Father or Wotan derives from Wodinaz

    My point is, Europeans have always been strongly spiritual and we had our OWN name for God … OUR creator …OUR god.

    There is nothing to indicate Christianity necessarily originated in Judea. However, the story of Jesus contains so many interesting parallels to Apollonius of Tyana that one is forced to wonder if it was plagiarized by the Pharisee, Saul of Tarsus and his confreres who may have simply Judaized a White European religion and then proceeded to fill it up with self-destruction nonsense to poison Rome … much like the Jews bribed Cyrus Scofield to reinterpret the New Testament with the brand of Zionist dispensationalism that we know today.

    http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/kersey_graves/16/chap33.html

    Is there a coded message implied to the Christ being sacrificed in the place of the violent zealot insurrectionist, JESUS Barabbas (literally meaning son of the father)? Have European Christians been hoodwinked into worshiping the man the Christ was rejected for these two thousand years?

    I still consider myself a Christian, BTW, but I have come to the conclusion that the Christ is the redeemer promised to mankind throughout the ages by the All-Father, NOT Yahweh, AND he is NOT some Jewish messiah who is going to enslave mankind on behalf of the Jews.

    Once I realized this, it was a liberating experience for me. It freed me from all the traps relating to Jews. I don’t worship them, I don’t envy them, and I don’t fear them. I just figure yup, the Jews have Yahweh, the Arabs have Allah, the Asians have Buddha ….

    I now have MY God. Thanks to the tampering of Saul of Tarsus and his buddies and their converts, I don’t know a lot about Him, but at least I pray to Him.

    But Christianity, as it is now, is holding many of our people hostage. To me, that means a White Loyalist with a strong theological background is going to have to go into the belly of the beast to rescue them with a pro-White concordance and work his own Oral Tradition into the narrative to get White European Christians back to their real God and the sooner, the better.

    I think turning to atheism is a big mistake. There is a school of thought that the reason why Jews are always getting the upper hand over European Christians, is because, by worshiping THEIR Yahweh, we increase that people’s occultic power. Moreover, we keep ourselves spiritually vulnerable by turning our backs on our own champion. JMO.

  273. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 23, 2012 - 11:53 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “I love the phrase as well as you version, but I cannot claim credit. I was stuck on white freedom – which is my goal. I stole white loyalist from Bear.”

    All praise and credit to Bear, then. Awesome moniker, “White Loyalist.” May we have your permission to steal it and spread it all over the place to get White people thinking?!

  274. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    March 24, 2012 - 1:31 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Thank you for your full answer and its contextualizing postscript. I conclude that I largely misread your comment’s implications. Insofar as I ought to have read more and conjectured less before I wrote, I apologize.

    Of course, in using such a still-wet-behind-the-ears jargon term as deontological without placing it in what some call scare quotes and others call sneer quotes, I left myself open to the inference that I regard post-Christian ethics—those from which the qualifier sub specie aeternitatis has been purged—as something other than a subject for study in a philosophy course commencing at the year 1700. I don’t. That is, no ethic that separates consideration of man’s actions from their relation to his eternal destiny interests me. (I am sure this isn’t news to you.)

    Not incidentally, I ought to say that I do not share the view that the oft-cited passage from Mark “what does it profit a man if he gain the whole world and suffer the loss of his soul?” is a sort of anticipation of the plot device of Wagner’s Ring: curse love, steal the gold, and by using runes of power denied to those who haven’t cursed love, forge the gold into a ring that will make its master the ruler of the world. Sure. Things play out that way in story and song far more than they do in the real world we all keep going on about, the world where people who toss away their soul tend to get no particularly impressive compensatory chunk of the globe. Seldom even something as extensive as Wales.

    Put otherwise, I believe that what cynics now like to call consequentialism seldom produces any ends as attractive as some of the means taken to arrive at them are clearly vile. Yes, I suppose that abjuring unalterable principle for land, cash, and hot and cold running broads may have worked for Tamerlaine, Genghis Khan, the Khazars, and the Bolshevik Jews, but their monstrous triumphs (which I pray we shall never see repeated by their epigones in Washington and Tel Aviv) all crashed in a heap and produced nothing of enduring value—far less, need it be said, than some of the works and deeds of Angles, Saxons, Goths, and Norsemen, both Christian and pre-Christian. I do not mean to scant the incalculable misery and suffering that those monsters caused uncountable millions of innocents, but life would continue to be an uncertain business even if man-made villainy took an extended sabbatical.

    In practice, then—and I stress in practice—I don’t see any reasonable understanding of what Bear and Mrs. Teller do well to call white loyalism compelling eternal principle and secular “success” to part company. There are, we both know, white folks for whom a part of “success” would involve consigning the entire Tribe to a destiny that actualizes their evil Holohoax fantasy. You aren’t one of those people, of course; nor am I. May it stay ever thus.

  275. Lookaroundu's Gravatar Lookaroundu
    March 24, 2012 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

    @Ex-Pro White Activist: The Constitution only mandates a population census every ten years. How times have changed. The Census Bureau’s “American Community Survey” wants to know a lot more than just name and phone number. This intrusive questionnaire exceeds ten pages and is allegedly sent to a quarter million addresses each cycle. It asks for, among other items, the respondent’s marital status, workplace address, time and distance of commute to work, time you leave home for work, number of rooms in your home, ancestry or ethnic origin, amount of monthly mortgage payment, and so on. There’s the threat of a $5000 fine for not filling it out. Supposedly, all this information collected by Census is to be kept confidential per Title 13 of the US Code. Right, and the Securities and Exchange Commission is supposed to weed out fraud in high places and refer it to the Dept of Justice for prosecution. The Wall Street and Congressional crooks are still laughing all the way to the bank with their ill-gotten gains, courtesy of US taxpayers and assorted scammed investors.

  276. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 24, 2012 - 7:58 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Dragons & Dungeons is indeed a good way of describing your view of the Civil War. History, as the Holocaust shows, truly is written by the victors.

    There is much circumstantial evidence to support the thesis that Lincoln set up the Fort Sumter incident in order to get his casus belli to save the Union. C.W. Ramsdell penned a classic 1937 paper on this:
    http://goo.gl/Kpq3R
    http://goo.gl/Emyo9
    And he is not alone in this interpretation
    http://goo.gl/8O3mV

    I know your aversion to “conspiracy theories”, but you cannot ignore the very “real world” conscription imposed by both sides to the war. There clearly was an huge deficit of the blind “moral duty” to die for the flag that you are imputing.

    In addition, the suspension of currency redeemability shows that when it came to actually financing the war, both governments could not rely on “moral duty” and ask their citizens to pay higher taxes or loan them money to continue the war effort, so were reduced to stealing their purchasing power via monetary inflation.

    No, far from being on high-horses, the ordinary folk to both sides of the conflict were incontrovertibly reluctant to go off any cliff, and had to be pushed off, kicking and screaming, by their respective governments.

    But we don’t need to revisit the Civil War to understand that “moral duty” doesn’t get ordinary people into battle fatigues and dying for king and country. Consider Israel, that most ideological of all nations – ask yourself why does the law conscript all but the Haredim for a period of military service. “Moral duty” manifestly does not figure laws and penal sanctions for infractions.

  277. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 24, 2012 - 8:10 pm | Permalink

    @Lookaroundu:
    Enter, stage left, Herod (Jewish, in this rendition).

  278. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 24, 2012 - 8:28 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra:
    “I am talking about white loyalists starting their own churches teaching a form of Ben Klassens creativity. Well armed with bible verses to back it up”

    Similar to the Church of Natural Polarization? My failed attempt at such an endearvor. Maybe you could do better…I think so. You start it, I’ll be your first “convert”
    Also, I want to take the rather audacious step of nominating you to be drafted into the Council of Elders. I already nominated Alice Teller and didn’t intend to nominate anyone else but since no one has suggested any names looks like its up to me…I think someone should nominate Fender ;-)
    I am not a Creativity fan as envisioned by Klassen, but ANYTHING is better than JEWTIANITY!

  279. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 24, 2012 - 8:40 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    We must all keep thinking. We no longer even know how to describe ourselves! When I once mused that I was in danger of turning into an old crank, one of my sons kindly assured me that I was a radical dissident. I rather liked that.

    As an expert in the matter, I can assure you that you are one of nature’s true gentlemen.

  280. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 24, 2012 - 9:16 pm | Permalink

    @@Trenchant:

    Yes, if there was no state structure it would be difficult to wage state-sponsored war. But life in a stateless society would be pure hell to someone alive today. The evidence is overwhelming, from every continent on earth, and every group of humans, that in the deep pre-history of humanity, life was bloody in the extreme.

    In pre-state societies, it’s estimated that at least one third of adult males died in intertribal conflict. There is zero chance of a society existing without a government in the next 500 years.

  281. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    March 24, 2012 - 9:18 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I am glad you picked up this dangling thread and tied it up so well. On the one hand, I was reluctant to wander from my central point; on the other, what I know about Dungeons and Dragons, beyond the fact that it’s some sort of video or Internet game, is literally nothing.

  282. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 24, 2012 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    But your larger point, which seems to verge on the idea that masses of white people in the South and the North were more or less gullible fools who were tricked into killing each other by a series of false flag operations, doesn’t seem like a very full explanation. The desire to secede from the union was quite real. And there was a widespread feeling that they could triumph over any attempt by the North to keep them in the union – a feeling that would have been cooled by a sober analysis of Northern industrial might. Yes, there was conscription, however there was widespread support for it and it’s really not like most white Southerners were indifferent to the cause. Even to this day, people become violently emotional on the topic in the South.

    No doubt Northern armies were made up of a lot of recent immigrants who were encouraged to serve through various inducements, and yes they had conscription as well. But the moral tone on both sides was hardly incidental to the conflict. We can speculate all we want about the Machiavellian motives of people behind the scenes (such motives are always present), but it doesn’t change the fact that abolitionists were a big driving factor justifying Northern aggression. Nor that many in the North felt it was right to preserve the union. And it is also true, that no matter what conscription or coercion was in place, if the cause or the authorities calling for action were considered totally illegitimate, it’s doubtful it could have sustained itself.

    To be clear, I am not condemning morality or a concern with moral principle. I am saying that it can be foolhardy to look only at what feels like moral duty and go off with a self-assured attitude that your “doing the right thing”, while the whole world is falling apart around you. Practical considerations count for something.

  283. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 24, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    No, far from being on high-horses, the ordinary folk to both sides of the conflict were incontrovertibly reluctant to go off any cliff, and had to be pushed off, kicking and screaming, by their respective governments.

    That seems like a big overstatement. Of course, people are reluctant to go to war, but it is quite often their sense of moral duty that helps them overcome such reluctance. After all, what was the reluctance of the average Southerner to engage in war? Fear of death? Reluctance to shoot Yankees (to be honest, that one is really hard to believe)? Fear of the disruption that would come from war? These are all legitimate fears and concerns, and I’m sure people in the South had them, but they overcame those fears precisely because they felt it was the right thing to do.

    What I am arguing against is assigning some kind of infallibility to the feeling of moral duty that people often experience. You seem to be arguing that they couldn’t possibly have been motivated by moral considerations – to protect their sacred way of life against an invading army. This would be news to virtually everyone living in the South today and it does not at all agree with the oral history that has been passed down within families nor does it agree with the tone of works written at the time.

    Just take a trip down South and tell people you run into that their ancestors had to be “dragged kicking and screaming” to go fight Yankees and see what their reaction is.

  284. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 24, 2012 - 10:38 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:

    “Similar to the Church of Natural Polarization? My failed attempt at such an endearvor. Maybe you could do better…I think so. You start it, I’ll be your first “convert””

    Aww, thanks, but this is a job for a man not a woman, except in a helpmeet or auxiliary back up position. The current dispensionalist Judeo-Christianity is already so feminized that it has caponized White European male believers. So, the last thing any new European spiritual religion would need is a woman leading it.

    The candidate I envision is White, male, heterosexual with a large family to prove his virility and a pretty spouse to reflect him as a man of natural drives. He is charismatic and a bit of a flirt, exuding confidence. He’s like the rock star of the Christian world, LOL.

    He is a skilled orator who knows how to mold Biblical rhetoric to promote natural, complementary roles of men and women as spouses, lovers, and parents, to prohibit racial amalgamation and love of our race and heritage as White European Japhethites.

    Here’s a good title for such a church. Christ’s Church of Rodina. What do you think?

  285. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 24, 2012 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:
    Its ‘In’ [like gays..out is the new in].
    Countless celebs have mixed marriage/children/adopt blacks
    or browns.
    I was friends with Robert De Niro senior….his son has how many mixed gals and kids? I dunno.

  286. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 24, 2012 - 10:55 pm | Permalink

    @Jarvis Dingle-Daden:

    Oh Yes! Sarkozys Govt wanted school kids to ‘Adopt the Holocaust [registered trademark, Int Jewry Inc.].

  287. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 24, 2012 - 10:58 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I can second that sentiment! Perhaps part of the apparent dilemma is that you are examining only moral duty. There were, of course, many reactions to news of the war. Pragmatism and duty both played a part. The other issue was honor. Self-definition once meant that each free man determined what he would and would not tolerate. If your own sense of honor and self-respect rests on the understanding that government’s legitimacy requires the consent of the governed, and you no longer consent, then government is tyranny and must be resisted. This was only beaten out of the men of the South when the Yankees made war on civilians. Then men determined that their first duty was to their families and many deserted.

  288. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 24, 2012 - 10:59 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    Ya wanna see a Perfect Example?
    Go to SBPDL and see the Gal at FAU [?] freak in class and get tazed.

  289. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 24, 2012 - 11:06 pm | Permalink

    @European:
    Is this Law or ‘unspoken rule’?

  290. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 24, 2012 - 11:09 pm | Permalink

    @European:
    ‘Didnt know French President was of Jewish descent’
    Anyone who can not see Sarkozy is Jewish by looking at his picture really is Naive!

  291. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 24, 2012 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra:
    Two comments. I think women should be involved in shaping the future AFTER they finish shaping THE future. read; their kids. Its women with young children that should be at home. Not mature, intelligent women like yourself. In fact, the Five Nations Confederacy of the Iraqouis had women voting long before womens sufrage of 1920. Moreover they are the only ones who are eligeble to vote if memory serves. The men only vote on when/if they go to war. They seem to get along pretty good. But I really don’t know a lot about the specifics of how their system works, how well it works, and wether it is still working.
    Any church with the name Christ in it would automatically be a non starter for any who have left superstition in favor of Natural Law. The two are as incompatible as black and white. Still, if it works to wean us away from plain stupidity I would attend holding my nose. JMO

  292. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 24, 2012 - 11:45 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra:

    In the 21st century, racial segregation will…NEVER…happen without coming about as a natural consequence of Natural Polarization. Period.

  293. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 25, 2012 - 12:15 am | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:

    Your concepts and terms all seem to be homebrewed slogans you’ve made up to promote your own “church”.

  294. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    March 25, 2012 - 12:34 am | Permalink

    Word on the street is that Dominique ‘Jews Must Support Israel Whenever We Can’ Strauss-Kahn (being 10 points ahead of Sarkozy) was probably framed by the French intelligence acting on the orders of pro-Sarko camp.
    Judging by European press reports, olde Dom is ostensibly hornier than a busload of Hasidic Jews en route to a Tel Aviv brothel.
    Therefore setting him up with that ‘hard working African immigrant lady’ Nafissatou Diallo should not have been terribly hard.
    As for the latest saga out of France, here comes an amusing nugget: this Muhammad al-Kaboom fella who attempted to shoot up a Toulouse-based kosher school, had his Israeli made weapon misfire, which prompted him to switch over to a higher caliber one.
    He too reportedly had been shadowed by the French spooks aware of his flirtations with various things jihadi all along.
    Could he have been another one of those hapless idiot patsies ? Cui bono ?
    Bottom line is that as an outcome of this affair Sarko is now enjoying an additional bump in the polls having beefed up his long held cred as Mr. Law and Order.

    P.S. Did you notice how the killing of 3 French servicemen of African descent by Muhammad al-Kaboom hardly even made it to news rooms in America ?

  295. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    March 25, 2012 - 12:58 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I fear that you are simply mistaken in assuming that those who favored secession, whether in the North or the South or, for that matter, by segments of the North or the South, understood that secession would lead inevitably to war. Quite the contrary. Only the corrupt “crony capitalists” who had bought and paid for Lincoln saw secession as grounds for punitive slaughter (i.e., because it would cost them truly vast fortunes). To many, northerners and southerners both, it was the regrettable but incumbent alternative to a fratricidal civil war, one that would surely have soon resulted from the continuing Whig/Republican campaign to transform a federation of sovereign states, linked by ties of blood and memory, into a unitary, imperial nation governed by a remote, disloyal, commercially obsessed elite—most of whose members weren’t even Jews!

    Of course, the North’s commercial belligerents and the politicians they owned had their way regardless, and the South got warred upon anyway. For that reason alone, it is morally unconscionable to equate a southerner who took up arms with a northerner who did likewise. The South was attacked; the North was the attacker. It was no civil war; it was invasion and mass murder. (ote that even forty years ago northern historians despised Sherman as much as southerners did; only when Jews swallowed all the scholarly pursuits and reconstituted history and historiography from their consequent intellectual fecal matter did that and much else change.)

    As Sam Francis wrote a decade ago, pawkily accepting for argument’s sake the conventional rationale advanced by the war’s numberless apologists, “Six hundred thousand white men died so that four hundred thousand black men could go from slavery to being serfdom.” That’s one heck of a “moral crusade.”

    Read Henry Adams’s brilliant and underappreciated novel Democracy for an accurate and revealing portrait of the postbellum aristocracy—political and social, virtuous and crass, patriotic and self-interested—and particularly what it reveals of the contempt most of its members felt for those who would wage an infamous and bloody war on neighbors who simply asked to be allowed to separate themselves from an arrangement that none of their ancestors had ever considered irrevocably binding.

  296. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    March 25, 2012 - 1:04 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: In paragraph 2, line 6, “(ote” should be “(Note”. Big chunks of my keyboard are sticking, and I don’t know how to disassemble the darn thing for a good cleaning.

  297. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    March 25, 2012 - 1:07 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Also, make that “from slavery to serfdom.” That mistake, alas, can’t be blamed on my keyboard.

  298. March 25, 2012 - 2:49 am | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra:

    There is nothing to indicate Christianity necessarily originated in Judea.

    Yes there is.

    However, the story of Jesus contains so many interesting parallels to Apollonius of Tyana that one is forced to wonder if it was plagiarized by the Pharisee, Saul of Tarsus and his confreres who may have simply Judaized a White European religion and then proceeded to fill it up with self-destruction nonsense to poison Rome

    It is true that the Jesus-story has resonance with a number of other stories.

    How you could still consider yourself a Christian while holding the view that the biography of your god-man may have been plagiarized is a big, fat mystery, unless it has something to do with your previous advocacy of crookedness. It seems to be an empty charade.

  299. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 25, 2012 - 4:16 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Well at least I have one, and don’t hide behind a screen name, snipping at others at every opportunity.

  300. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 25, 2012 - 9:35 am | Permalink
  301. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 25, 2012 - 6:45 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Yes, I agree with everything you said. The South was attacked. I was bending over backwards to be fair in order to make that other point, but you are completely right. Now, with 20/20 hindsight, I wish the South had moved to build up industrial strength and had thought ahead to problems that conflict with the North would entail.

    I believe they had the right to seceded, but given the belligerent nature of the North, I’m not sure it was prudent.

  302. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 25, 2012 - 9:13 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:
    “Two comments. I think women should be involved in shaping the future AFTER they finish shaping THE future. read; their kids. Its women with young children that should be at home. Not mature, intelligent women like yourself. In fact, the Five Nations Confederacy of the Iraqouis had women voting long before womens sufrage of 1920. Moreover they are the only ones who are eligeble to vote if memory serves. The men only vote on when/if they go to war. They seem to get along pretty good. But I really don’t know a lot about the specifics of how their system works, how well it works, and wether it is still working

    Any church with the name Christ in it would automatically be a non starter for any who have left superstition in favor of Natural Law. The two are as incompatible as black and white. Still, if it works to wean us away from plain stupidity I would attend holding my nose. JMO ”

    I don’t think of the Christ as being incompatible with Natural Law. I have always believed that He led a full life, which involved having a wife and offspring of his own before he embarked on His divine mission.

    The best thing to do is to indoctrinate young women in the belief that they should view their adult lives in two phases: The fecund phase, where they are young and fertile enough to give birth to any children that the Creator has allotted them and then the maturation phase, where menopause means that they are no longer so chained to their cycles and can bring their years of experience and well as a new equilibrum to bear to assist the men.

    Today’s view of women is pretty dismal. It takes what their natural, elevated role as mothers of the future and discards it completely busting them down to either the objectified sex kittens or the desperately sex-hungry cougars.

    Small wonder that modern women seem so angry and upset at their lot!

    To me, there was no greater happiness than cuddling a sweet-smelling baby in my arms who looked up at me with all the love and trust in the world.

    There is no experience greater than reliving every first through the eyes of your child. The wonder and mystery that can be recaptured when a child little older than a toddler enjoys his first Christmas, etc.

    I feel sorry for people who have never had the pleasure of a raising a child themselves. They must feel very jaded.

  303. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 25, 2012 - 9:36 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra:
    Religious speculations aside, I cannot second your sentiments strongly enough. The joy that has been stolen from so many of our women is heartbreaking to me. There is no sex like sex with your husband when you joyfully enter into the miracle of procreation. Everything else is a cheap imitation. The sheer pleasure of nursing and nurturing your children in a safe environment where all are cherished is never even mentioned anymore.

    I especially reject the narrowing of multiple roles in life. I am not only my husband’s sexual partner, or business partner, or housekeeper. I am his wife and the mother of his children. I am deeply offended by our cultures denigration of that role and bond.

    Traditional Christianity did provide strong support for the sanctity of the feminine. In fact, no culture which does not honor the feminine has produced any great art.

  304. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    March 25, 2012 - 9:55 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I would only add that men can feel the joy…I have…of having children. I am working on a woman to start another family, or, at least to have one more child, hopefully a girl.

    Maybe it is my grandfather stage, as someone pointed out, but it is that, AND, the wish for another child. I know the downsides…have two sons…yet, the Myth remains compelling and heartfelt.

    I think some of our psychological problems today are due to not having a brood of children around to anchor us. Whatever this might mean for men, it applies doubly for women. J

  305. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 25, 2012 - 10:17 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: Agreed. if we could just get the young back in touch with nature we might turn things around.

  306. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 25, 2012 - 10:34 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    “How you could still consider yourself a Christian while holding the view that the biography of your god-man may have been plagiarized is a big, fat mystery, unless it has something to do with your previous advocacy of crookedness. It seems to be an empty charade. ”

    Mr. Scott, if your view of real Christianity is to see it as some Judaic sect than that’s fine with me. I don’t see how that line of thinking is anything but contradictory and counter-productive to any sense of White self-preservation.

    Since the first thing “Christians” did when they assumed power was destroy all the old knowledge and kill every pagan of every European country they took power in, I strongly suspect that Cyrus Scofield’s concordance was not the first time the Jews tampered with Christianity. Indeed there is real evidence to suggest sabotage from jump street.

    In any case, I don’t feel like my growing conviction that Saul of Tarsus tampered with early Christianity much the way the Jews paid Cyrus Scofield to do the same in the 19th century or that the Christ’s real identity has been deliberately obscured, makes me crooked or my personal beliefs an empty charade. However, if you want to feel that way, there is nothing I can do or care to do about that.

    Once I accepted that tampering had taken place, that Saul of Tarsus had substituted HIS beliefs for what should have been mine, that the real identity of the Christ has been deliberately muddled, then it cleared up any bizarre and contradictory sayings in the Bible for me. Oddly enough, instead of feeling disillusioned with God, it fortified my faith in Him. I know that MY God loves me and sent the Christ as MY redeemer.

    Prior to this personal revelation, I could not reconcile MY God who instituted all kinds of natural phenomena, like the law of gravity, etc., with Yahweh the trickster who liked to jack up his alleged creation and was pretty inconsistent about everything but promoting Jewish Supremacism.

    Again, Christianity should be a sane, life-affirming guide to self-preservation, not a suicide pact. I refuse to believe that the REAL God intended it as anything else.

    Mr. Scott, I see no reason to argue my position with you anymore. I know how you feel. I know that I cannot change your view of how Christianity should be practiced. Please understand that berating me and making snide remarks about my character is not going to change my beliefs.

    Board decorum, not to mention, common courtesy, demands that we agree where we can and agree to disagree where we cannot. So, I think it would be better if we share no more discussions about this subject. Pax.

  307. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 25, 2012 - 10:53 pm | Permalink

    @90404:

    Yeah, I’ve seen it. Security isn’t enough, you really need animal control in these black-heavy schools. Guys with nets and dartguns loaded with horse tranquilizers.

    These people riot over Air Jordans; imagine what’s going to happen if Zimmerman is acquitted of murder. It’s going to be like a scene out of Black Hawk Down.

  308. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    March 25, 2012 - 11:48 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: If we wanted to separate ourselves today, after they got through calling us names, they would threaten to kill us, also. Imagine the slogan: “If white people want to take over a portion of America, they are criminals. If mexicans want to take over a portion of America, they are free to do so.”

  309. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 26, 2012 - 12:14 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    Hey that’s a great slogan, it should be repeated:

    “If white people want to take over a portion of America, they are criminals. If mexicans want to take over a portion of America, they are free to do so.”

    Not only that, we pick up the social services costs of the mexicans so their invasion and conquest will be easier.

  310. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 26, 2012 - 3:21 am | Permalink

    Off topic:
    Read the last line carefully and contrast with rest of this sad news:
    Investigators did not believe the killings were gang-related, Suhr said.

    Also arrested was Luc’s 32-year-old brother, Brian Luc, on unrelated charges of drugs and ammunition possession and violation probation.

    Suhr did not provide details of the younger brother’s arrest, saying only that the two lived together.

    A man who answered the phone for a number listed for Brian Luc hung up when an Associated Press reporter called.

    A woman with access to the home found one man dead in the foyer by the front door, then saw a man and a woman dead in the garage before running out and calling police.

    When officers arrived, they found the other two deceased women. Investigators believe the victims were related.

    The home near San Francisco’s City College has
    “a thriving immigrant community, largely from Asia”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-arrested-suspicion-killing-people-san-francisco-home-article-1.1050826#ixzz1qCmKr7BV

  311. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 26, 2012 - 11:04 am | Permalink

    It is the nuclear family (man woman child) that has sustained the west up until the industrial revolution. This catacysmic change started the slow process of destroying the natural division of labor between men and women.
    This division of labor was EQUALLY divided between the two genders. Thus, while men and women NEEDED each other and felt equally valued. Both men and women were yoked as a team PULLING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. (for the kids)
    But the aryan outsmarted himself when he invented technology and claimed all the credit, leaving God (nature) out of the picture. Thus, you have men and women today yoked in SEPERATE TEAMS< PULlING AGAINST EACH OTHER, EACH WITH A DIFFERENT AGENDA OR GOAL.

    I have done the research, when women won the "right" to vote circa 1920, the divorce rate was around 2.5 %
    Then it jumped up a little and began a slow but steady increase
    With wwII it spiked suddenly as you would expect, then dropped a little in the LEVEL OF INCREASE.
    But with the so called feminist movement which by the way coinsided with the "civil rights" craziness (no-fault divorce, consenting adult, etc.) it skyrocketed.
    To look at an overlay of equal rights legislation and divorce rate is compelling.
    What must be remembered is this dystopic effect of gender equality is made much worse by all the other craziness that comes with the false God of "equality"…Democracy, communism, diversity, etc.
    …And I haven't even started on the Jews! They didn't invent technology, we did. they just came along for the free ride.
    Not saying technology is bad, but its like fire, it can get out of control.

  312. mari's Gravatar mari
    March 26, 2012 - 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Always remember that it was 2 term Republican Richard Nixon who created affirmative action. He could have rewarded those who voted for him by keeping merit standards for employment. Instead it was his administration that put all the affirmative action programs into place.

    10 years later, another Republican president abolished what was called the PACE exam for applicants for federal jobs requiring BA, MA and PHD degrees.

    It was not any kind of aptitude test. It was a test of basic literacy and numeracy. All that was needed to pass was to achieve 12 grade reading and 10 grade math skills.
    Remember, only those who had BAs were required to take it.

    Ronald Reagan and the man he appointed as head of the EEOC, /Clarence Thomas abolished that exam.
    That is how Republican Ronald Reagan rewarded the millions of Whites who voted for him.

    The Republicans will soon go the way of the Whigs.

  313. mari's Gravatar mari
    March 26, 2012 - 2:54 pm | Permalink

    someone quoted Sam Francis “As Sam Francis wrote a decade ago, pawkily accepting for argument’s sake the conventional rationale advanced by the war’s numberless apologists, “Six hundred thousand white men died so that four hundred thousand black men could go from slavery to being serfdom.” That’s one heck of a “moral crusade.”

    I would change it a bit. Seven hundred thousand White men died. And black men went from being well fed slaves to malnourished serfs.

    My take on the civil war is that the north wanted the vast resources of the south. Not only the tobacco, cotton, sugar and rice but the forests and iron and coal mines.

    When cotton was king Natchez Miss had more millionaries than any city on earth. The radical republicans had all sorts of plans to confisicate the property of the rebels.

    W virginia was convinced to split off from Virginia and immediately the ravenous wolves of capitalism took over the vast coal, forest and iron resources and reduced the people of the state to poverty and malnutrition.

    The forests of the south were destroyed by northern capitalist while the southern emloyees lived in poverty for 100 years.

  314. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    April 1, 2012 - 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Has anyone taken a good look at the people coming out by the thousands to hear Ron Paul speak – like the 5200 in Wisconsin a couple of days ago? Every gathering, including the state-by-state district and county caucuses, is dominated by young White men. Paul’s anti-war, sound money, and liberty messages are resonating with White people. They are unselfconsciously identifying with what many see as a “revolution”. It is most definitely a White peoples’ grassroots movement. The educational approach to developing White consciousness can’t compare with the natural coalescence around White interests, identification with people like oneself and a candidate who is perceived as “one of us”.

  315. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    April 2, 2012 - 12:41 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    “@H. Woods: I don’t know why the Treyvon Martin case is so disturbing. A mexican wanna be cop named Zimmerman didn’t like a black guy in his neighborhood, so he chased him down, got in a fight, and shot him. He realized he screwed up, and claimed self defense. The blacks know they have a good case here, so they are running with it. They are milking it and trying to bash white people over the head with it. We look stupid defending the guy, and he is a mexican! Why should we shed a tear for a mexican who killed a black guy? Why should we defend a misapplication of self defense. If mexicans don’t like blacks, they should say so, and they should defend this guy. Let them fight it out with the blacks! Blacks and mexicans fight in prison and LA streets all the time, anyway. In addition to all that, I think he should have just let the black kid run off. If they retreat, let’em go.”

    Ordinarily, I would concur, but I must respectfully disagree with you this time, because it IS good for Whites to stand up for George Zimmerman.

    First and foremost, we were dragged into this mess anyway when Zimmerman was erroneously reported as White. Furthermore, we were kept stuck in this when the News Media, rabid to eliminate the Castle Doctrine and the Stand Your Ground Doctrine KEPT reporting that Zimmerman is White even AFTER his family stepped up to set the record straight.

    As I pointed out in a previous post, the Mestizos can be relied on to hang back and take their cues from White people. When Disingenuous White Liberals hopped on the Lynch Zimmerman Bandwagon, Mestizo activist leaders threw him under the bus, but the rank and file Mestizos are not happy about it, seeing the predictable retaliatory Negro FLash Mob attacks on any Mestizo on his own.

    The “Honorary” White Status the media deceitfully gave Zimmerman means that it behooves articulate White Nationalists to do what many of them are doing right now. Smashing the propaganda that Trayvon Martin was some innocent kid cutting through a neighborhood to go home from getting Skittles and Ice Tea by telling the truth about his budding burglary career. Setting the record straight by producing proof via the visible injuries that Zimmerman sustained and the route Martin took to surprise him to show that Zimmerman OBEYED the dispatcher and was preparing to back off when Martin attacked him and that Martin was shot after sneaking up on Zimmerman and trying to beat him to death.

    Yes, Zimmerman will benefit, but it is our OWN rights to the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Doctrine we are defending even they are represented by a Mestizo watchman. Moreover, we spread good will toward Whites with Mestizos who WANT to identify with White people over Negros anyway.

    We not only hold our ground, but we give up NOTHING; no welfare benefits or affirmative action by defending Zimmerman. Moreover, we have laid the groundwork to a loose, informal alliance with any and all Mestizos who do not like their loved ones to be viewed as expendable chess pieces by the La Raza asshats trying to get personal power.

  316. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    April 2, 2012 - 1:03 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra: It isn’t a matter of taking Zimmerman’s side, but of defending the truth. The truth is on our side and exposing the media’s dishonesty and the opportunism of Black agitators doesn’t help Mexicans it helps us.

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