Obama versus the Israel Lobby, Act 2

Jim Lobe reports that senior White House officials have leaked information that Chuck Hagel “was likely” to be the Obama Administration’s nominee for Secretary of Defense when Leon Panetta leaves. What’s not surprising is that the neocons have gone into full-on attack mode, including charges of anti-Semitism. Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Bret Stephens complains because Hagel once said “the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people [in Congress].”

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Now I suppose that the polite thing for Hagel to have said would be to refer to the Israel Lobby rather than the Jewish Lobby because, as Stephens notes, not all Jews support the Israel Lobby, and because there are plenty of useful idiots, cowards and opportunists who are not Jews but support the Lobby (believe it or not, those are not Stephens’ words). But the intimidating power of money, as well as the organization and the media influence of the Israel Lobby certainly come from Jews. And the vast majority of American Jews either support the Israel Lobby or do nothing to oppose it. To suggest that the Israel Lobby is only marginally connected to the American Jewish community is a far greater distortion than what Hagel said.

Stephens also complains that Hagel actually believes that there is an Israel Lobby with real power:

The word “intimidates” ascribes to the so-called Jewish lobby powers that are at once vast, invisible and malevolent; and because it suggests that legislators who adopt positions friendly to that lobby are doing so not from political conviction but out of personal fear.

I don’t see how talking of intimidation implies invisibility. In fact, the power of the Israel Lobby is far from invisible. And it is vast and it is malevolent. Why else, for example, would the U.S. be virtually the only country in the world voting against the recent UN resolution upgrading the status of the Palestinians? Why else would the stridently liberal U.S. government officially dedicated to human rights and democracy as a rationale for changing governments support a state that is dedicated to apartheid and ethnic cleansing?  Israel just announced the approval of 1500 more settler homes in East Jerusalem, after previously announcing 3000 new settler homes on the West Bank and East Jerusalem in the wake of the UN vote. The U.S. will oppose this but, as usual, nothing will be done to prevent it. Yes, the Lobby is powerful and it does support evil. So yes, it is malevolent.

Stephens is also upset because Hagel seems to have more loyalty to the USA than to Israel:

Mr. Hagel’s Jewish lobby remark was well in keeping with the broader pattern of his thinking. “I’m a United States Senator, not an Israeli Senator,” Mr. Hagel told retired U.S. diplomat Aaron David Miller in 2006. “I’m a United States Senator. I support Israel. But my first interest is I take an oath of office to the Constitution of the United States. Not to a president. Not a party. Not to Israel. If I go run for Senate in Israel, I’ll do that.”

Read these staccato utterances again to better appreciate their insipid and insinuating qualities, all combining to cast the usual slur on Jewish-Americans: Dual loyalty. Nobody questions Mr. Hagel’s loyalty. He is only making those assertions to question the loyalty of others.

Well, if the shoe fits, … In fact, the loyalty issue is completely reasonable:

Given that the American Jewish community is galvanized around doing the bidding of a foreign government, that dissent within the Jewish community has been effectively silenced, and that the most energized, radical elements of the Jewish community determine the direction of the entire community, it is certainly not surprising that issues of loyalty would be raised. (see here , p. 40ff)

The only reason that Jewish loyalty is not an entirely mainstream issue among Americans is power of the Israel Lobby to intimidate. Bret Stephens is entirely within that tradition.

The good news is that the anti-Semitism charge is falling on a lot of deaf ears. The Atlantic‘s James Fallows (“The bogus case against Chuck Hagel” ) writes “What is poisonous, and should be resisted, is the effort to rule out Hagel through the bogus charge that he is anti-Israel or, worse, anti-Semitic.” And he cites quite several others with the same view.

Despite the continuing influence of the Israel Lobby as indicated by the recent UN vote, it seems quite possible that Israel has overplayed its hand with the Obama Administration. Floating Hagel’s name was sure to produce a hostile reaction by the neocons and at least tacit disapproval by AIPAC. But it is the logical conclusion of the frosty relationship between Netanyahu and Obama, culminating in Netanyahu’s campaign pressuring Obama for a war with Iran during the presidential election and more or less open support of Romney.

Whether or not Hagel is nominated as the Secretary of Defense, floating his name is a good indication that the Obama Administration has no intention of war with Iran and is quite comfortable with someone who is not a mindless foot soldier on behalf of the Israel Lobby.

It was always obvious that Obama was a better candidate than Romney when it came to war with Iran and the politics of the Middle East. Now, without having to worry about another election, Obama’s gut instincts as an honest leftist are coming into play. It’s hard to believe that Obama is comfortable with the fact that Israel is dominated by the ethnonationalist right committed to settling the West Bank, oppressing the Palestinians, and completely uninterested in peace or a two-state solution. These policies put Israel at odds with virtually the entire world. The U.S. alliance with Israel makes a mockery of the U.S. commitment to democracy and human rights.

But Israel can’t go back. The fanatics are in charge and these trends will continue and even worsen into the future because of the fertility of the most radical elements of Israel.  The Israel Lobby has little choice but to play along.

Sometimes critics of Jews are prone to exaggerate Jewish power and influence. The Israel Lobby has certainly dominated U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, with disastrous results—particularly the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But we may be seeing the beginnings of a real change. Of course, other presidents have tried to stand up to the Lobby and ended up paying a very high price:

It must concentrate the minds of the Obama administration to realize that [Jimmy] Carter and [George H. W.] Bush were one-term presidents who were heavily criticized by the Israel Lobby. Jimmy Carter was widely viewed as hostile to Israel during the 1980 election, and his policy toward Israel was the main impetus to the migration of neoconservatives to the Republican Party. Many believe that George H. W. Bush’s loss in 1992 stemmed from his attempt to rein in the settlements. (George W. Bush apparently got the message and decided not to alienate the Lobby on the settlement issue. This resulted, among other things, in his administration becoming bogged down in a needless and costly war in Iraq.)

The advantage Obama has is that he is into his second term. I’m thinking that at least for the next four years, the U.S. will be spared some of the more egregious consequences of Jewish influence on U.S. foreign policy such as yet another war in the Middle East on behalf of Israel. The Israel Lobby will doubtless mount a furious campaign for war, but floating Chuck Hagel as Secretary of Defense is a good sign indeed.

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86 Comments to "Obama versus the Israel Lobby, Act 2"

  1. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 5, 2013 - 7:56 am | Permalink
  2. 91's Gravatar 91
    January 1, 2013 - 1:54 pm | Permalink

    @omop:
    Goodman is HNPR. Heeb public radio.
    Her fore bearers were orthodox.

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    December 30, 2012 - 3:04 pm | Permalink

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  4. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 30, 2012 - 12:46 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    I am sorry to disappoint you but nothing important which happens in Washington happens in public. It is not that our enemies are all powerful. Rather the problem is that Washington is incapable of anything worthwhile. It is broken beyond repair.

    The real problem is that the American people have been too fat and happy to involve themselves in a serious way with the cesspool in DC. No one of sense willingly dives in unless it cannot be avoided. We have always chosen work-arounds. We seem to be unable to do that any longer. Perhaps as we lose alternatives we will turn and face the beast. We live in interesting times.

  5. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 30, 2012 - 12:31 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Alice the way you are seeing things is disempowering for us because there is no inherent way to tell between what is theatre and what isn’t theatre. The underlying logic is therefore that our enemies are all powerful and we are f***ed.
    You’re a good analyst for us….really good. So try to reorder your thinking in ways that help us to see the subtleties going on in important places such as Washington certainly still is.

  6. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 30, 2012 - 12:17 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Hagel is a sacrificial lamb whose nomination never had a chance. He occasionally dares to express his own opinion. His name was bandied to allow a white man to go under just as Susan Rice was brought down. Despite all of her clear shortcomings, the black community was demanding that Obama go to the wall for her because she is a black woman and can therefore do no wrong. Now he will prove that he cannot even get a white man through if evil powers oppose him. Theater – it is all theater.

  7. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 30, 2012 - 11:53 am | Permalink

    Jpost report Obama has reiterated his support for Hagel. If true, this is information-rich news that can help tell us characteristics of the objectively real landscape we’re on.

    I mean like a sonar or something. This sort of information…if we have previously made predictions what one or the other outcome might mean (even better what outcome will actually happen). Then, that raises the quality of the potential information haul once the event actually takes place. This is a bit like the way science works.
    Something our writers and analysts (if you are analyzing things in our favour then arise Sir Analyst..that’s about as formal as it’s going to get) should think about doing is how they can ‘shape’ their thinking such that predictions and falsifications can usefully be brought into the picture.

  8. Dale Gribble's Gravatar Dale Gribble
    December 29, 2012 - 4:15 pm | Permalink

    as some commenters have noted not so fast with the Chuck Hagel praise, he never met an illegal alien he didnt like, NumbersUSA rating D- https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/510/reportcard/CAREER/

  9. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 27, 2012 - 12:01 am | Permalink

    @Alfred:
    Thanks, do you have more info on Saltzman?

  10. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    December 26, 2012 - 7:33 pm | Permalink

    @Alfred: You are so right. Jews love these kind of psy-op projects. They manufactured Obama as if he was built in a laboratory. Kept grooming him like poodle. They own him.

  11. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 26, 2012 - 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Manchester Guardian ^ | Tuesday 25 December 2012 08.41 EST | Peter Beaumont
    Israel has given the green light for the fast-track development of a further 1,200 settlement units around Jerusalem. It brings the total number of new approvals to 5,500 in just over a week, the largest wave of proposed expansion in recent memory. The latest plan, which would see almost 1,000 new apartments built over Jerusalem’s green line in Gilo, comes as the Israeli media is reporting mounting pressure on the prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, to drop his commitment to a two-state solution from his platform for re-election in January. …

    Aljazeera and BBC world news has been showing pictures of some of the existing jew housing on the west bank. It is all on the highest hills. Just like some sort of forttress which they are. I’m sure that some of those so called family houses are arms depots and barracks for storn troopers.

    More than 100 years ago the jews built the first hadassah hospital in Jerusalem. Just happened to be on the highest plateau, the site of the old Roman fortress from which anyone can control Jerusalem and the surrounding area.

    Hospitals have many sub basements, attics and wings. Anything can be concealed in a hospital. History repeats itself.

    The thing is, the askenazi jews are moving out. At least a million of the 5 million live elsewhere. The only ones who benefit from israel’s economy are the 4th generation orthodox welfare leeches who do not serve in the army.

    I personally don’t think israel will last another 100 years. It is just not jewish. Jews are predators and parasites not producers. Right now israel as it has since Nov 1963 when commie jew puppet Johnson took office preys on America and its taxpayers. Sooner or later there will be nothing to prey on in israel. Sooner or later the ashenkazi who have 1 or 2 kids, not all boys fit for combat will just disappear under the critical mass of the orthodox, russians, ethopians etc.

    Now that I think of it, the zionists will probably send American White men to police israel and oppress the palestinians. Ever notice that all the combat troops of our military are White men? The rest are black, brown and female affirmative action slugs laying up in a warehouse all day getting stoned.

    But isreal is just not a jewish thing.

    I had some of those baby jesus stories on the TV Christmas for the grandchildren. Most of the time all the narrarator talked about was the jews and how much they suffered under the romans. The narrator made the whole thing sound jewish instead of christian. I don’t think it mentioned that Jesus founded christianity. Just one long wail about romans oppressing jews.

  12. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 26, 2012 - 9:35 am | Permalink
  13. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 26, 2012 - 9:35 am | Permalink

    Look at Glicks most recent article, and see the way she approaches things. This is the thinking of someone who understands power and how the world works.
    Her article is a coded message to American Jewry that the best way to advantage the Jews during the Obama presidentency is to make him BUSY.
    As ever this is the oldest trick in the book. It happens in offices across the world on a yearly basis. Want to undermine the bright new spark in the office? Make him BUSY. Give him lots of exciting sounding but perilous doomed to failure projects. Pass lots of your responsibilities to him. His inexperience will make him feel like he’s progressing, becoming powerful, getting an empire….just like in his dreams. But really he’s been set up to fail.
    The oldest trick in the book, but still genius because it WORKS.
    Look at the way she deals with the question of whether Obama will appoint Hagel. She understands that future events…if they happen or not….can contain important information that can tell us other things about the realities of power on the ground, and also tell us things about how we might take advantage and act.

    “Still it is notable that Hagel’s possible appointment sparked an outcry among prominent American Jews and that this outcry had some unknown impact on Obama’s possible decision to cancel Hagel’s appointment.

    If Obama indeed scuttles Hagel’s elevation to defense secretary, it shows that it is possible to fight Obama on foreign policy even in his second term, and win, at least sometimes. This is important information for Republicans, American Jews and the Israeli government.”

    such a simply put point. But True. In reality, true.

  14. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    December 25, 2012 - 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Obama doesn’t want to, but in 2014 he will order an attack on Iran, which will be smashed into Iraqi-style ethnic statelets. That will show how powerless all politicians are in the face of the power of the Jews, for those with eyes to see. No one would be surprised at Romney going to war with Iran, but they will be astounded when Obama does. They’ll look for an explanation, and find there is only one: Jewish power.

  15. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 24, 2012 - 1:34 pm | Permalink

    @Felix:

    Truth has now become anti-semitic.

    May I respectfully amend that to “It’s now undeniable that truth is anti-semitic,” Felix? I’d argue that the inimical relation of truth to the Tribe and its interests was spelled out clearly by John the Baptist, and the Sermon on the Mount made the opposition official and permanent.

    Merry Christmas, sir.

  16. William's Gravatar William
    December 24, 2012 - 12:18 am | Permalink

    @thm:
    Do As I Say not do as I do is the Z code
    of conduct

  17. Wagner's Gravatar Wagner
    December 23, 2012 - 11:58 pm | Permalink

    @Richard Pierce:
    I agree , good analysis

  18. William's Gravatar William
    December 23, 2012 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    @Taras:
    That is why more than a few white guys didn’t
    vote in 2008. Could not vote for Bomb Bomb
    Iran nut case

  19. William's Gravatar William
    December 23, 2012 - 7:18 pm | Permalink

    @Brian:

    That is a Go!
    Shall be done & the rest should do as well!
    I give credit where credit is due.
    This will annoy some but Farakan is at least
    Interested in helping out his people unlike all
    So many in the frequently Zio steered tea pharty

  20. Brian's Gravatar Brian
    December 23, 2012 - 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Many true conservatives do not like Obama for a variety of reasons, but we should support Obama when he right. Call your U.S. Senator and tell him / her you support this nomination. We don’t need anymore wars for Israel.

  21. William's Gravatar William
    December 23, 2012 - 3:49 pm | Permalink

    To stop the senseless cycle of violence we must
    Have U.N. Enforced Gun Control in The Jewish Communities
    & Neighborhoods & homes of Palestine.
    We need a public Campaign led by the NYC Mayor,
    SPLC, ACLU , ADL , JIDF & other Righteousness
    endowed organizations like Dumb Goy United for
    King’s Torah Zisrael to wage a fierce Campaign
    To get Weapons out of the Zionist controlled areas
    Of Palestine.The issue is the Gun or Weapon.
    It was part of an Anti-Semitic Neo-Nazi conspiracy
    To have all these Guns & Weapons in the hands
    & Environs of Jews in Palestine & America.
    If it will save the life of just one Jewish Child
    then door to door confiscation of all Weapons
    from all Jews is the way to go.

  22. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 23, 2012 - 3:07 pm | Permalink

    @William:

    What would the Western MSM’s reaction have been if that story took place in any White country or society anywhere in the world, and if it had been White people instead of Jews? Can you even imagine what the intensity of the outcry would have been?

  23. William's Gravatar William
    December 23, 2012 - 3:03 pm | Permalink

    @omop:
    The ADL is not pleased that you do not
    accept & love being Israel’s Bitch.
    The ADL has a policy that you are commanded
    by the Talmud to love the Rabbi Rapist.
    Not loving the Masters of the Universe is
    irrational & hateful.
    You must know your place , filthy goy beast

  24. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    December 23, 2012 - 2:45 pm | Permalink

    @Lombard:
    Hehe sorry wrong thread. Please delete.

  25. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    December 23, 2012 - 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Well if you really want to reflect their game back on them – let me remind you of Tisha B’Av – an annual fast day in Judaism. The fast commemorates the destruction of both the First Temple and Second Temple in Jerusalem, which occurred about 655 years apart.

    We could call it Flavian’s Day, use Caesar salutes and celebrate with a day long feast. There’s an added irony in that the day also coincides with expulsion of Jews from Spain. I’m sure they’d have no problem with that.

  26. William's Gravatar William
    December 23, 2012 - 2:35 pm | Permalink

    @thm:
    Has the ACLU , SPLC , NAACP been
    notified ?

  27. William's Gravatar William
    December 23, 2012 - 2:31 pm | Permalink

    @thm:
    Have you no shame we are trying to maintain
    a Jewish majority here while working to
    Destroy America , Europe , Canada , Russia ,
    Australia , Iran, Palestine , etc etc

  28. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 23, 2012 - 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Here is an inspiring video of Israeli Jews joyfully embracing multi-culturalism. Funny, but somehow we don’t seem to be hearing this story in the Western mainstream media. I wonder why.

    Israeli Jews celebrating diversity

  29. Taras's Gravatar Taras
    December 23, 2012 - 12:18 pm | Permalink

    @Marcy Fleming:
    Indeed cluster bombs are very brutal because first of all each bomblet is as deadly as a good sized mortar shell. Some are capable of destroying any tank. Secondly, once they are armed, they cannot be disarmed. Thirdly, many are set not to explode upon hitting the ground, they remain there as mines for civilians to step on and set them off. Fourthly, they are particularly hard for de-miners to remove, especially those who do not have the sort of equipment that allows locating them remotely without getting deminers killed. Fifthly, the bomblets will have to be blown up in place, imagine the damage that will do in a populated area when there’s tens of thousands of them everywhere. Finally, they can be equipped with magnetic or motion sensing fuses, if something moves near one, it goes off. These devices of death and destrcution can remain armed and dangerous for decades, that is why mines are called the weapons that wait and never stand down. That is why people are being killed by mines across N. AFrica, Vietnam, Serbia, Kosovo and Afghanistan. Mines left there decades ago are killing people, often children. In my view, when a government uses weapons like cluster bombs against civilians, resistance movements then have the right to employ and and all means to return the favor. That includes retaliation against enemy civilians. You can bet Zionist controlled governments will use cluster bombs against whites, who will retaliate with the same sort of methods my Ukrainian ancestors used against the Nazis and Bolshevki Jews too.

  30. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    December 23, 2012 - 6:55 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Oh I’m not doubting the ethical nature of such men. I believe much of the early CIA etc had/still has good intentions but as is revealed in films like ‘The Godfather’, ‘The Good Shepherd’, it is not that difficult to entrap these people using schemes that they are not wise to. One honey-trap, or a photo of your children, or exposure of financial corruptions and the same good men are suddenly helpless servants.

    Without thorough exposure of Jewish machinations/societies within a society; it is impossible to even expect worthwhile resistance. What can a man with family really do in those situations but tow the party line? His white network is not going to retaliate when a Patreus/JFK goes down in the same way as Jews and this leaves him with little option.

  31. William's Gravatar William
    December 22, 2012 - 11:20 pm | Permalink

    What about the allegiance of Euro-Judaic-Gentiles
    to the foreign Land of Talmudia??
    They do not place European-Americans as
    The Number One Priority
    Memes like ” To save your Soul , save a Jew ”
    & dozens of other idiotic memes.

  32. William's Gravatar William
    December 22, 2012 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Just ask what has Zion been right about or been
    good about except for the genocide & subjugation
    of all others

  33. William's Gravatar William
    December 22, 2012 - 8:30 pm | Permalink

    Merry Christmas
    from David Duke

    David Duke knows about Evil
    David Duke is not of Evil

    Occidental Observer knows about Evil
    Occidental Observer is not of Evil

  34. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    December 22, 2012 - 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Okay guys…you know what? You can thank yourselves that you actually made me feel a LITTLE better! Not a lot, but a little. Perhaps there are limits to Jewish power, and this certainly is a hopeful sign. Now…if we could find someone to stand up to them in regards to the immigration issue, I’d be ecstatic.

  35. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 22, 2012 - 11:59 am | Permalink

    @Lombard:

    You’re being too cynical. It’s very rational to expect places like the CIA have a far higher percentage that the general population of woken-up Whites than elsewhere. Likewise the military.
    It’s hard to say whether such individuals have begun to identify oneanother and actually network. From where we are it is much better to think of good rational explanations what certain future predicted events will mean in terms of how powerful is the Lobby, how strong the resistence from places like the military and intelligence services.
    One example is, as KM points out, an Iran war. If we see one, or don’t see one, it will tell us quite a lot. Just as the fact it has been delayed this long, tells us quite a lot.

  36. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 22, 2012 - 11:54 am | Permalink

    @HolyHoaxer:

    It’s totally disempowering to regard an enemy as all -powerful and read every event from the fixed assumption it is a set-up.

  37. HolyHoaxer's Gravatar HolyHoaxer
    December 22, 2012 - 7:25 am | Permalink

    @fender: Good comment fender . Kevin’s excellent even handed critique of this issue blind sided my natural cynicism .

    Whoever this Bret Stephens is he , his opinion is bias and bigotry and it is astonishing that he is given a platform in a supposed mainstream media publication to spray this amazing piece of duplicity .
    But is this not the standard Jewish tactic ? We at TOO have seen analysis of event after event that show this tactic to be standard form . I see it in many different publications with Jewish authors twisting reality in a most devious way to fit their ‘high ground’ . To make claim to truths as Bret Stephens does that are diametrically opposite to the Real Truth is the height of duplicity . Once people emotionally commit to this sort of propaganda it very difficult to enlighten them as reality becomes too discombobulating . And ofcourse he pulls out that tried old chestnut : antisemite
    Once again we see American Jewry waging war on the American Mind (whats left of it ) .No offense intended friends .

  38. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 22, 2012 - 4:30 am | Permalink

    @Richard Pierce: Forrestal: exception that proves the rule. Pity he got all maudlin and threw himself out a window whilst botching his hanging.

  39. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    December 22, 2012 - 3:51 am | Permalink

    @Richard Pierce:
    Yes I can’t really argue with that general position; just that it’s hard to believe the MIC, the CIA, the Generals wouldn’t relish an all out war on Iran (which certainly has strategic value). If Romney was in office and signaled his intent, then the military elite would surely do what they’re told.

    On Obama, when has any US President publicly stuck the finger up at the Jews? For them, ‘perception’ is just as important as back-room deals because that is how they maintain their untouchable status. The blacks rioted because a crackhead took a beatdown, they were ready to do the same when a wife killer was on trial. The Jews certainly fear any of that savagery turned toward their direction because the whole illusion would start to crumble.

    Personally, I think it just upsets pro-Whites that the black guy is actually doing something for his base and not bending over for BiBi like most of the White politicians do. It’s best not to downplay these factors and hopefully, other white men will gain the vitality to do the same.

  40. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    December 22, 2012 - 2:24 am | Permalink

    @Lombard:

    It would be surprising if the military was the one providing resistance. That sounds more like some patriot/veteran pipe dream where a secret core of the army is still loyal to the US people and will rise up if need be.

    I agree completely that various patriotards/Tea-tards engage in fantasy about a “loyal” military “restoring the Constitution” or similar nonsense. However, I am convinced that the defense/military-industrial complex is pushing back against Likud fanaticism. The USA defense/military-industrial complex is self-interested, and regardless of Jews in Hollywood and their Holocaust Movies, the management of the defense/military-industrial complex is, in fact, quite competent, and not given to, say, musing about Old Testament mythology. Afghanistan and Iraq are strategic targets, if not exactly strategic for USA. Clearly, these wars were in the interests of Israel. The “incident” that must go unnamed is the only reason we ever got in this mess in the first place. The talking points that we’re in Afghanistan due to “rare earth metals” so we can make batteries for cell phones – these are clearly neither serious nor credible viewpoints from the actual defense/military-industrial complex.

    The truth is, Obama and crew do have some real power here. If the Jews viciously betray him, you can bet the black riot mobs won’t just be targeting ‘whitey’ this time.

    The Obama administration obviously has power, and whatever Obama’s personal character, he has spent 4 years backing down from the defense/military-industrial complex (Gitmo? lol). Obama won a second term; he won the Peace Prize, Europe prefers him to Bush/Cheney. The “powers that be” are fine with Obama. Wall Street crooks love him.

    However, black riots are irrelevant to anything, except for the immediate personal safety of the White underclass still living among third world populations. Obama’s white half is clearly dominant. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the rest of the clown show on the “you know who” tube are literally comic relief – no one takes any of that seriously.

    Black rioting? Yeah, for the after-Christmas sale at Walmart – come on.

  41. Taras's Gravatar Taras
    December 21, 2012 - 9:33 pm | Permalink

    @Scott:
    The fact Obama is uninterested in attacking Iran is one of the few points in his favor. If Romney had won, nuclear bombs will fall on Iran, then hours or days later nuclear weapons will airburst above New York, Washington and other U.S cities. Israel will also attack Europe and Russia with nuclear weapons, and Russia will turn it’s SLBM and ICBM’s loose against Israel and the U.S. too if Israel goes that far. Russian nuclear missiles are armed with manauvering re-entry vehicles that will execute violent turns to eveade anti-ballistic missile defenses as well as scores of decoys too. In other words, Americans will die by the tens of millions because of no civil defense here whatsoever outside of the ruling elite and the total destruction of many large cities. So in that regard, Obama will hold back the dogs of war here, UNLESS Israel stages another “Lavon Affair” to induce the U.S. to bomb Iran, who certainly can smuggle and detonate a nuclear bomb in a U.S. city as retaliation for a nuclear attack against it.

  42. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 21, 2012 - 5:38 pm | Permalink

    One typo in my comments above, Obama is giving Israel 5,000
    cluster bombs, not 500. Which actually strengthen’s my point.

  43. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    December 21, 2012 - 4:30 pm | Permalink

    If you look at Obama and his core loyalists, then there is no possible inner motivation to fight in some imperial war. Unlike the Christian Zios who suddenly get Richard the Lionheart style dreams, Obama’s eye is on the US itself (whilst maintaining the International admiration).

    It would be surprising if the military was the one providing resistance. That sounds more like some patriot/veteran pipe dream where a secret core of the army is still loyal to the US people and will rise up if need be.

    The truth is, Obama and crew do have some real power here. If the Jews viciously betray him, you can bet the black riot mobs won’t just be targeting ‘whitey’ this time.

  44. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 21, 2012 - 3:41 pm | Permalink

    @Richard Pierce:

    freakin’ A1 analysis!!

  45. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    December 21, 2012 - 2:44 pm | Permalink

    It’s probably a mistake to assume Obama is just a puppet or that his personal feelings about Netanyahu have a major impact on policy. Hagel’s name is being floated because he did, at some level, stand up to the Israeli lobby and survived, implying he has an independent base of power.

    The Obama administration’s clashes with Likud mostly have to do with our defense establishment perceiving a lot of “sunlight” between the interests of the USA and those of the Zionist entity. We can welcome this as good news, without exaggerating its importance in the grand scheme of things.

    Just before the election, Patrick Clawson of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a key organization of the Israel lobby, made an astonishing statement about “crisis initiation” in relation to conflict with Iran, and seemed to suggest a covert “false flag” attack to start a war.

    The timing of this statement was likely to send a message to Likud that the Obama administration wouldn’t support any unilateral Israeli attack on Iran. The Zionist neo-con faction peaked during the invasion of Iraq, and their fortunes have been going downhill since then, suffering three major defeats: the 2006 Congressional elections, the defeat of McCain in 2008 and the Obama administration’s political victory over Likud in 2012, including his defeat of Romney and his attempt to restore the neo-cons.

    Back in 2008, the Israeli lobby was able to prevent Obama from hiring Chas Freeman, also seen as a critic of the lobby. If Hagel is nominated and confirmed it would signal a continuing decline of their influence.

  46. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 21, 2012 - 2:16 pm | Permalink

    @Scott:

    “Hmmm, first you say Hagel’s philosemitic, then you say you expect him to do a complete 180 on Israel. I guess this means he’s going become an Israel hater!”

    Hagel is philosemitic. Opposing some Israel policies doesn’t make you antisemitic… and that’s assuming his stances are actually honest, which I doubt. Bad cop, good cop: one politician is honestly pro-Israel (bad cop), another one pretends to oppose zionism and Israeli aggression (good cop), even though they’re both working for israeli interests.

  47. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    December 21, 2012 - 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Two things I just read today. There’s a piece at IHR that claims Obama is giving Israel 500 cluster bombs for holding off declaring on Iran until 2013. Cluster bombs are a particularly brutal way of mass murdering civilians.
    No question about it, he’s Bibi’s shoeshine boy.
    The other widely reported story today in the liberal liepapers is that Kerry is getting the job. So no Israel issue will arise.
    This whole Israel First business is like something out of the Protocols. If they are a forgery what are they a forgery of ?
    This is off topic but Lew Rockwell.com has had tons of great pieces debunking the anti-gun hysteria this week so I was forced to read them again after a boycott of several months
    on their censorship policies.
    As we all know there is no gun violence but only violence by criminals who misuse guns and in urban America they are mostly Blacks.
    So should we register Blacks or just ban them ?

  48. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    December 21, 2012 - 10:56 am | Permalink

    Franklin,
    I certainly hope that you and KM are right. If Obama really is able to somewhat curtail jewish influence, that is a good sign. I’m just not willing to give him much credit because both the military and the American populace have had enough war for Israel, and he knows the pitchforks will come out if he makes the wrong move.
    However, the FED still blew SIXTEEN TRILLION DOLLARS and continues to print billions monthly to bailout the crooks on Wall St., and Obama says NOTHING about this of course. So, don’t give the Lightworker too much credit.

  49. Scott's Gravatar Scott
    December 21, 2012 - 8:55 am | Permalink

    Fender: “This is all theater. Neither Obama nor Hagel could have gotten to where they are without being philosemitic. Hagel most likely won’t get the job, and even if he does, expect to see him do a complete 180 in regards to israel.”

    Hmmm, first you say Hagel’s philosemitic, then you say you expect him to do a complete 180 on Israel. I guess this means he’s going become an Israel hater!

  50. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    December 21, 2012 - 6:52 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas:
    Not true. If Obama was really a total puppet of the Jews, he would have gone to war with Iran already long ago, because that is what the Israeli leadership and the Jewish lobby in the US want. Neither would Netanyahu have tried to make his friend Mitt Romney win the elections. Obama (and the US military) sincerely do not want a war with Iran and Obama has been able to resist Jewish pressure in that direction. But on the other hand Obama cannot ignore the Jewish power structure entirely. So his trick is to give in to the Jews in many ways (money and weapons for Israel) except a war with Iran.
    Your suspicion makes you misunderstand the real dynamics of the power struggle.

  51. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    December 21, 2012 - 2:30 am | Permalink

    Yeah, we’ll buy that Obama is anti-Israel when he stops sending them billions of dollars of redneck Christian taxpayers’ money, and when he stops giving them every high tech weapon known to man. I still say that the “feud” is political theater, and has been engineered to throw us off the scent. Remember who controls the media…of course they LOVE for it to look like Obama hates Israel. That’s perfect. After what the Jews did with Bush-patsy, and “The Israel Lobby” was published, the whole scam came to light and became well known. Now they have to bring their A game and pretend that America’s leader is the enemy of Israel. It’s a joke. If Obama refuses to do what they say, he’ll just become another dead kennedy.

  52. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 20, 2012 - 10:51 pm | Permalink

    “The good news is that the anti-Semitism charge is falling on a lot of deaf ears.”

    It’s an empty term, and I figure a lot of relatively honest, intelligent people have been called “anti-semite”.

  53. William's Gravatar William
    December 20, 2012 - 9:33 pm | Permalink

    How much of DHS is ADL/SPLC/JDL
    & Vice Versa?

  54. Fynn's Gravatar Fynn
    December 20, 2012 - 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Netanyahu has to worry about opposition to an attack on Iran from his own country moreso than in the U.S.. If Obama has a distaste for Bibi, it’s because he is an obnoxious bully and a liar, but when push comes to shove, Obama will jump onboard with the Jewish lobby since it and the Republocrats are virtually one and the same. The opposition in the U.S. which most concerns Netanyahu is not that of system politicians but of the military hierarchy which is resisting another meatgrinder for U.S. servicemen. Still, Netanyahu knows that he holds the trump card because if can cajole his Israeli cohorts into going along with a strike against Iran, any retaliation by Iran will have the jewsmedia and servile politicians howling for U.S. intervention.

  55. William's Gravatar William
    December 20, 2012 - 8:26 pm | Permalink

    It is more than a little annoying to have Jews
    calling for disarming European Americans while
    in the same breath demanding more Billions to
    arm Nasty Israel with endless Weapons & Ammo.
    More tens of Billions to fund their Pet Agencies
    for the control & subjugation of European-Americans

  56. William's Gravatar William
    December 20, 2012 - 8:13 pm | Permalink

    If Babylonian Lobby opposes Hagel then I consider
    Hagel very possibly to be the right American for the
    Job. Tired of the Zamericans like Zamerican Adelson.
    Will the easy to steer Faux Tea Party rally to oppose
    Hagel when prompted by their Animal Trainers in
    the Lobby & Likud?

  57. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    December 20, 2012 - 8:03 pm | Permalink

    In his whiny article Bret Stephens says nobody questions Senator Hagel’s loyalty. However, Hagel apparently thought his loyalty to Israel was being questioned. Hence, the Army veteran explained his loyalty was to America to Aaron David Miller.

  58. William's Gravatar William
    December 20, 2012 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Joe Cortina knows about Evil
    Joe Cortina is not of Evil
    Joe Cortina is no one’s Fool
    or a traitor for the Israeli Lobbies
    Old Joe is an American Veteran
    & not an Israelistian

  59. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    December 20, 2012 - 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Scott,
    You need to read more buddy. Obama continued the bailouts, seamlessly. His “financial reform” was a joke, did nothing about TBTF.
    He sends drones all over the ME to take out anybody who might be a remote threat to Israel.
    And, as i said before, most of his administration has been not only Jew heavy, but heaving with Israel Firsters.
    So, our cynicism has nothing less to do with ideological purity, and more to do with reading between the lines.
    I respect KM’s opinion, and maybe he’s trying to see just ONE good thing that might come out of the Obama win and second term.
    But bottom line, Jewish money backs Obama, and as he said at AIPAC, America will always back Israel as our closest ally. That’s not simply rhetoric but a point of fact.

  60. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 20, 2012 - 4:48 pm | Permalink

    @Alfred: Thank you Alfred. It’s incredible that some Americans still believe the President has any power, IN THIS DAY AND AGE. So many Americans, politically speaking, are like little children in how they talk and act. It’s embarrasing.

  61. Steelback's Gravatar Steelback
    December 20, 2012 - 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Obama versus Likudniks?

    Get real. He works for them. He couldn’t give two shits for the Palestinians!

  62. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 20, 2012 - 4:45 pm | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: I’m also with fender on this. I mean, what’s the surprise here. Everyone who ultimately gains power in the U.S. and who happened to have a half way balanced position regarding Israel, either soom was fired, or started dancing the way the Israel lobby wanted them to. For anyone paying attention, supporting Israel, no matter what obomination it is involved in, is Congresses default position, isn’t it?

  63. robert's Gravatar robert
    December 20, 2012 - 3:45 pm | Permalink

    When are you going on Meet the Press? BAHA

  64. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    December 20, 2012 - 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Truth has now become anti-semitic. Pathetic.

  65. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 20, 2012 - 3:23 pm | Permalink

    @Scott:

    You’re right: it’s not good enough. Stop reaching for the low-hanging fruit. A corrupt and illegitimate political system isn’t going to somehow become honest and legitimate.

  66. PertPlus's Gravatar PertPlus
    December 20, 2012 - 12:50 pm | Permalink

    I think there are two factions of Jews…

    – All out War Jews

    – Settle the West Bank over Time Jews

    Obama works for the second group. But he still works for them.

  67. Scott's Gravatar Scott
    December 20, 2012 - 12:34 pm | Permalink

    As I sift through these comments, I’m left shaking my head. Apparently Obama nominating a guy for SoS who courageously refused to sign the AIPAC-drafted letter on Hezbollah isn’t good enough. To satisfy the glass half empty folks on this board, Hagel has to have a 100% anti-Israel voting record! Well, folks, good luck to you on your infantile need for ideological purity. You’ve just proven once again that the biggest thing holding WNs back is…WNs.

  68. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 20, 2012 - 12:01 pm | Permalink

    I agree Obama getting his 2nd term dramatically reduces the chance of an Iran war, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a fairly high probability it will still happen.
    Obama didn’t go up against Israel so much on principle but for the more simple reason Netanyahu treated him badly and put his back up. Obama is that kind of guy who will dig his heels in if you push him past a certain point.

    A lot of people are like that. If you push them too far, they go into a model whereby they would rather accept taking 10 times more harm than you will take, than let you have your way. In a way the Palestinians as a culture and people are in that mode.

    It’s a mode we as a people will hopefully get into. It’s a mode KM and any White pretty much must be in, that they can survive the onslaught, social-isolation, public attacks and so on.

    In terms of how things go…if Israel get’s its psychology right when it comes to Obama, they could probably turn things around in a couple of years. However, they are so used to getting their way with intimidation chances are they will just make things worse for themselves.

    Another good thing about Obama is that the Israel Lobby is going to be distracted and frustrated and confused by Obama challenge. This will take up more of their time which means they won’t be as vigilant to upcoming threats. For example, the newly empowed/organized black/hispanic vote. They are totally unaffected by the onlaught against ‘racism’ in the media. They have always understood that was about White Racism, not about theirs. They are a lot more anti-semitic than whites…and they are a lot less worried about showing it, and a lot less worried about being accused of it.
    This new force in politic is a threat to Whites sure. But it is also a threat to the reason why Whites are disempowered

  69. December 20, 2012 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    @Kevin:
    before you wear the badge, make sure you have enough food and medical supplies in your storage for your family to last for an year, and enough liquidity to last at least 2-decades, that your house is paid for.

    after that, yes, wear the badge, with honor
    i guess KMac has done this already with his 403(b)

  70. Kevin's Gravatar Kevin
    December 20, 2012 - 9:48 am | Permalink

    Being Antisemitic is a “BADGE OF HONOR” wear it with Pride !!!!

  71. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    December 20, 2012 - 9:00 am | Permalink

    @Astraea Shaw:

    “…he (Obama) is so clearly a puppet of the Jews…”</blockquote)
    Yes, but of which Jews? Don't make the mistake to think that all Jews want the same. There is much disagreement among them (look how many political parties Israel has and how much they quarrel among themselves), and there are factions also inside the Jewish lobby within the US. Up untill now Obama has withstood pressure from certain Jewish groups to go to war with Iran. If he is a "puppet of the Jews" he must be a puppet of Jews who don't want a war with Iran, OR…he still has some power himself. I'm inclined to the latter opinion.

    • omop's Gravatar omop
      December 20, 2012 - 10:13 am | Permalink

      There are close to 100,000 jews in Iran. As in most countries many of them are millionaires and in many businesses. And one would think they are more interested in maintaining the status quo.

  72. Astraea Shaw's Gravatar Astraea Shaw
    December 20, 2012 - 8:28 am | Permalink

    I seem to remember that Axelrod had something to do with the economic problems which beset Iceland – and which Iceland repudiated, with such great success.
    And I too agree wholeheartedly with Fender. Exactly and cynically and realistically true. Anyone who is ever tempted to trust a thing this Obama person says is being too easily duped. He has no integrity and he is so clearly a puppet of the Jews.

  73. norm s's Gravatar norm s
    December 20, 2012 - 8:04 am | Permalink

    The Neo Cons may not like Obama but always remember who put him in office and who handles him.

  74. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    December 20, 2012 - 5:12 am | Permalink

    Liberal Jews may pose as opponents of the Likud and the Israel lobby, but as Jews they are in no position to expose Israeli perfidy. They can make noise about the plight of the Palestinians because the “peace process” is endless; but they are deeply afraid of being linked with the perpetrators of 9/11, 3/11, 7/7, and other Israeli false flag operations. They know, but they don’t want to talk about it, and that makes them complicit in the cover-up. Noam Chomsky expressed the worry that continued speculation about the real perpetrators could “ruin the Democratic Party”. Nothing to see here folks – let’s get back to East Timor.

    Obama is portrayed as an enemy of Israel, but in four years he has done absolutely nothing to expose the lies and malfeasance of the Bush Administration in regard to 9/11, Guantanamo, and the wars in the Middle East.

  75. December 19, 2012 - 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Obama is a PUPPET, he makes NO decisions.

    Axelrod has been creating and shaping Candidate Obama for more than 16 years. “Axelrod met Obama when the senator was 30 years old and coordinating a voter-registration drive in Chicago and Bettylu Saltzman, a doyenne of progressive politics in Chicago, suggested that the two get to know each other,” the New York Times reported in early 2007. “In the 15 years since, Axelrod has worked through Obama’s life story again and again, scouring it for usable political material.

    Bettylu Saltzman has been supporting and financing Obama’s political career since 1992, long before he ran for any office. Saltzman is the only daughter of the super-Zionist Philip Klutznick. In 1992, when Obama was 30 years old, Saltzman told Axelrod and others, “He will be our first black president.” Saltzman then commissioned Axelrod to create Obama, the presidential candidate.

  76. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 19, 2012 - 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Nobody gets anywhere near presidential office with clean hands, moral integrity, or honesty – these weaknesses are selected out very early in the race (one can only imagine the base expedients needed to thwart Hillary “Out, damn’d spot!” Clinton). The sole imperative is to gain and retain power for your backers.

    Fender gets my tick, too.

  77. omop's Gravatar omop
    December 19, 2012 - 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Some Europeans have expressed their views on the USA/Israel “relationship” by calling America Israel’s bitch. Aside from this view is the one given by an Israeli. To wit:-

    A former Israeli cabinet minister Shulamit Aloni (born 1928), during her August 14, 2002 interview with Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! said it all: “Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel then we bring up the holocaust. When in this country (US) people are criticizing Israel then they are antisemitic. And the organization (Israel Lobby) is very strong and has lot of money. And the ties between Israel and American Jewish establishment are very strong – and they are strong in this country as you know. And they have power.”

  78. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    December 19, 2012 - 8:01 pm | Permalink

    I’m with you fender. Push come to shove, Obama will back Israel. it’s political theater. Wall St. put Obama in the White House twice. I think we are seeing smoke and mirrors that reflect the awareness that Mearsheimer and Walt’s expose warned the Jews to stop making their abuse of power so obvious to the mainstream. If you look at many of Obama’s past appointments, you see pro-Israel Jews.
    The other aspect is that Obama knows all too well that Americans are totally fed up with wars for Israel, and he’d rather spend his political capital elsewhere. Like taking our guns away, amnesty for illegals, etc.

  79. December 19, 2012 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    the best comment so far. you are alert and intelligent.

    what hagel said is completely worthless. what matters is his voting record.

    hagel’s foreign policy votes:
    http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/231/charles-hagel/32/foreign-aid-and-policy-issues#.UNJcJXdH7Kc
    immigration votes:
    http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/231/charles-hagel/40/immigration#.UNJcSXdH7Kc

  80. Stan's Gravatar Stan
    December 19, 2012 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Americans are weary of Israel-firsters who cry anti-semite.

  81. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 19, 2012 - 6:39 pm | Permalink

    There’s a good case that Carter and G.H.W. Bush got off comparatively lightly.
    http://is.gd/UGN3hY

  82. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 19, 2012 - 5:41 pm | Permalink

    This is all theater. Neither Obama nor Hagel could have gotten to where they are without being philosemitic. Hagel most likely won’t get the job, and even if he does, expect to see him do a complete 180 in regards to israel.

  83. Scott's Gravatar Scott
    December 19, 2012 - 5:09 pm | Permalink

    I agree, excellent sign. Obama may be bad on a lot of issues, and I certainly didn’t vote for him, but if he upsets the Likudniks and causes Shel Adelson’s blood pressure to rise, it’s a huge win. This will be a very interesting 2nd term.

  84. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 19, 2012 - 5:00 pm | Permalink

    It is akin to the way in which the Jews reflexively attack anyone who notes that Hollywood is run by Jews– like Marlon Brando did, on “Larry King Live”, many years ago– yet they themselves point to it, when they care to do so. During the brouhaha over Mel Gibson’s DUI arrest, in the summer of 2006, for instance, one of Hollywood’s Jewish moguls asked how Gibson could dare to say such things about the Jews, when they had made him rich and famous!

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