TOQLive, Guillaume Durocher, with James Edwards and Kevin MacDonald, Sept 12

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  1. James Bowery
    James Bowery says:

    To repeat the question I posed during the broadcast:

    “What does the story of Jesus tell us about the relationship between individual integrity and group integrity in terms of morality?”

    Perhaps my failure to address it, specifically, to Prof. Fraser was the reason my question went unaddressed. It is, however, central to the question of Christianity’s role among individualistic peoples of high moral character.

    • David Schmitt
      David Schmitt says:

      James, Aquinas found a way to defend national sovereignty. When discussing matters such as scripture, I insist on having an Aristo-Thomistic filter and framework of interpretation and rationality in place—whether my interlocutor agrees or not. The raw, sole-scriptura Christianity of Protestantism, adopted by modernist Catholics, can be argued to be more likely to be manipulated so as to leave people like Europeans vulnerable. Contra Hollywood’s insinuations of sterile romanticism and White anti-natality, we need to boldly and forcefully re-establish the notion that ethnic purpose and other levels of nested affinity and preservation are justified and virtuous motives.

  2. milan
    milan says:

    Augustine’s City of God

    Eschatology is always the problem isn’t it? Whether for Augustine and his City of God or for us today which one would think would be a great deal easier given the computer and high tech which is a God send really. We can study the scriptures in ways that the early Church Fathers never could or for that matter any who followed in their train. Shockingly even today we are still largely in the dark about interpretation which is just so unbelievable and scandalous really. this especially is the case surrounding Gog and Magog of Ezekiel 38 and 39 which practically everyone has got wrong! Just listening to this entire speech makes me sad and angry really.

    In scripture you will find these words ‘here is the mind that has wisdom’ Revelation 17:9-11 and Revelation 13:18

    It is the only place in the entire bible where we are told what is truly important and what to be on the lookout for. It’s talking politics here and about a coming economic system which will treat the entire human race as slaves. worse than slaves actually. It’s talking about a coming king who will rule over the world as god. No one I don’t think anyway understood it more than Dostoevsky who wrote

    “Why hast though come to hinder us? We are working not with Thee but with him {Satan}…We took from him what Thou didst reject with scorn, the last gift he offered Thee, showing you all the kingdoms of the earth. We took from him Rome and the sword of Caesar, and proclaimed ourselves sole rulers of the earth…We shall triumph and shall be Caesar’s, and then we shall plan the universal happiness of man… Hadst though accepted the last counsel of the mighty spirit {Satan}, Thou wouldst have accomplished all that man seeks on earth -that is, someone to worship…Who can rule men if not he who holds their conscience and their bread in their hands?”

    This is the name of the game and who desires this to be fulfilled and is currently looking for their promised messiah? You got it and if technology isn’t truly the last curtain to go up.

    Fulfilling the above by Dostoevsky would be relatively quite easy with our high tech and my guess is shortly enough as the financial world goes into collapse the clarion call for everyone to be chipped with a mark on either their right hand or forehead will be pushed upon all.

    As for this coming king Jesus Christ himself refereed to it all as the Abomination of Desolation.

    now if you Dr. Fraser didn’t come across this in that bible college seminary you attended well your missing out on some very important and vital information and I haven’t even begun to talk about climate change which is not the work of industrial pollution. that’s just another lie from our glorious universities.

    As for multi-culturalism? Well, given the above I would argue multi-culturalism is the last thing anyone really needs to be worried about. I don’t know how many times including the loss of a doctor I have heard and seen people wanting to move to Australia? Australia must truly be a land of great opportunity maybe even flowing with milk and honey that everyone and their dog wants to move there and the government is more than happy to oblige. What’s up and should I join you all for a taste of the better life? I even hear that New Zealand is the new world safe zone? Is this true? lol

    • Richard B
      Richard B says:

      “Shockingly even today we are still largely in the dark about interpretation which is just so unbelievable and scandalous really.”

      This speaks to the heart of the matter.

      And not to any single text, or any single sacred text.
      But to all literature, imaginative or expository, fiction or non-fiction.

      The heart of the matter is this.

      Though there are many modes of interpretation, there is no Theory of Interpretation which accounts for all interpretation.

      The same goes with evaluation. There are many modes, but no Theory of Evaluation.

      There’s a reason for this. A very good reason for this. And it needs to be addressed. But perhaps some other time, in another context.

      In any event, this obvious and embarrassing fact about the absence of any Theory of Interpretation is enough on its own to reduce the entire explanatory system known as Political Correctness* to rubble.

      And yet PC continues. Why? Because it’s held together by force. That’s why.

      But, as history makes clear, the constant use of force is destablizing and ultimately unsustainable.

      PC is to the life of the mind what the banking system is to money. A giant Ponzi scheme.

      It’s destined to crumble from its own internal inconsistencies and failure to make good its claims.

      In fact, it’s constantly crumbling and being put back together again. So true is this, that The Hostile Elite is having the Devil’s own time trying to keep their Proxies in line.

      Hence the dramatic increase in anti-White hatred.

      From your second comment below:

      “how quickly ones wonders will the slaves of the 21 Century flock to him to get back at the wealthy who enjoy the fruit of their labour.”

      Who says they’ll slaves will escape what many say they’re planning for Whites?

      Automation is not coming, it’s here. It just hasn’t reached the apocolyptic levels predicted, yet.

      But each day it receives more and more attention. As if to say, “Get ready and don’t say we didn’t warn you.”

      A very plausible scenario, one arrived at based on what they’ve done already and have said they intend to do (though not always in a straight forward manner) is that Whites will be the first to go.

      But not the only ones that go.

      They have their robots and fake money. What do they need people for? What good will billions of non-Whites be to them if they have machines and robots to do their work.

      There is one, very dark and obvious answer to that question.

      Anyone interested in an answer to that quesiton need only read any one of the excellent articles here at TOO about the axis of evil between The Hostile Elite, The Labour Party and Muslim Rape Gangs.

      But for that they’ll just need millions, not billions. The rest will be marched into Safe Cities. From there they’ll be evaporated and forgotten as if they never existed.

      Who would put it past the hostile elite?

      One thing is certain.

      This insanity is not going to stop itself.

  3. milan
    milan says:

    Wow, just came across these astounding headlines:

    China says its Social Credit System has ‘Restored Morality’ by blacklisting over 13 million people

    Yep, when you can’t convince people of their sin nature as God wishes to do thereby freeing us from the judgment due upon us which was paid for by his Son Christ Jesus a human government is going to do it politically by way of controlling your bread and conscience with computer tech! Nice EH! Is it any wonder God forbids any from receiving this under the penalty of eternal judgment. One of only 2 the unpardonable sins.

    Next up looky here Australia! Australia is Adopting China’s Surveillance and Tracking System to Spy on its Citizens

    how long before mister global arrives and you know what I have a sinking feeling about all of this in that imagine someone doing the unthinkable that is wealth confiscation and then redistribution? Will there be a robin hood moment which will solidify this Mr. Global as some kind of savior of the world especially in the eyes of the poor but to be a part of its glorious future you will need to be stamped or chipped. Hey, its tech nothing to worry about its 21 st Century folks get with it! Yeah, how quickly ones wonders will the slaves of the 21 Century flock to him to get back at the wealthy who enjoy the fruit of their labour.

    Law verses Grace will then become glaringly real and His words love thy neighbour as thyself will burn in the conscience. By then however freedom will be lost and then comes the earthquake. An earthquake like the one that hit Jerusalem in 363 AD which is the actual date of the fall of Jerusalem and not AD70.

    “The stones were piled high and ready. Costly wood had been purchased. The necessary metal was at hand. The Jews of Jerusalem were rejoicing. Tomorrow—May 20, 363 A.D.—the rebuilding of the Temple would begin! Suddenly, and without warning, at the third hour of the night… the streets of Jerusalem trembled and buckled, crushing two hundred years of hope in a pile of dust. No longer would there be any possibility of rebuilding the Temple.”

    That earthquake as anyone in the Orthodox Christian world will tell you was an act of Divine Judgment, it’s self evident really.
    An earthquake that Divine Communication wise spells out what is forthcoming in the book of Revelation that in the future there will be another but it will be global.

    Eschatology is something we should be thankful for.

    “We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 2 Peter 1:19-21

    • Curmudgeon
      Curmudgeon says:

      Some context is needed.
      I worked in HR, and dealt with many Chinese seeking employment in the health care sector, the new employees were required to submit an official translation and transcript of their marks from the Chinese university, along with verification of equivalency from an accredited source. I do not recall seeing one transcript that did not contain at least two ethics courses as part of a baccalaureate degree, and an additional one for advanced degrees. I asked one with PhD credentials why so many ethics courses, and was told that they are mandatory, and that ethics courses are taught before university, as well.
      Call it brainwashing if you want, but recall that when the melamine in food scandal broke, the Chinese government prosecuted and executed the perps. Similarly, with the lead paint in Marx toys, in America, everyone was pointing fingers and the government said “gosh”, the Chinese government was prosecuting, and the head of the company committed suicide rather than face prosecution.
      Corporate malfeasance in China would also be part of the social credit system. I’m not advocating the system, just observing that it is a reaction to what the Chinese government sees as a gap in their ethics teaching.

  4. milan
    milan says:

    @ Curmudgeon

    Corporate malfeasance in China would also be part of the social credit system. I’m not advocating the system, just observing that it is a reaction to what the Chinese government sees as a gap in their ethics teaching.

    My only reply really is to ask was it premeditated in that the perps knew the harm that would be done beforehand? If yes, to the gallows. But if because they were never educated or lied to about the harmful effects of those substances well then ignorance is hardly a means for capital punishment? Isn’t that the single greatest problem with the industrial revolution per se? We have created things that no one really knows what the dangers or damage is until after the fact. Heck, we didn’t even understand the effects of radiation from Big Boy. From what I remember and understand the military were rejoicing wow when they saw the mushroom cloud and were gloating about the power of it all rubbing their hands in glee like a Stalin at the possibilities. They gambled with the ionosphere. Only later when their skin was falling off and blood oozing from their orifices did they oooops what have we done?

    For me though the greatest sin was the poisoning from the drug thalidomide. If my memory serves me correctly Germany or was its Britain that was the first to warn of the dangers of this drug in sleeping pills and the deformities it caused. They learned after the fact. Canada however, never bothered to listen and went ahead using it to the horror of too many babies born with terrible deformities. The lawsuits and hell it caused was horrific.

    I’m sorry but the sinful nature of mankind can’t be dealt with by legislating morality it just can’t. Mao is no god that he can determine whether a man deserves to live or die for some perceived sin? What gives him the right to exact punishment or judgment? Furthermore, anyone who demands such obedience from his people had better be himself the object of perfection and the perfect law abider!

    I jaywalk which is a crime punishable by a fine. I take a chance because well no cars or people around, so I jaywalk. Nobody sees me other than maybe the bus driver who probably thinks I have a screw loose for attempting it. I live though in the middle of the block and am too lazy to walk the full distance and it has been like this for years no problems.
    One day however, I find that a camera has been set up on my street. So, what I say too myself or well its about time to catch the thief who stole my car last year. I think nothing of it until lo and behold I can’t use my credit card and banking . I have been locked out of my money. I ask why and what must be done to rectify this? I am told you must go down to central processing for answers. Central processing? Fine I take time off work and go down to find out and learn well we caught you jaywalking, and you are being punished accordingly? You will have to pay a 200 hundred dollar fine and will have to wait for five days to have access to your account. You have got to be kidding and as much as I argue with central processing nothing can be done. It gets worse because as much as I say I’m innocent they say, well that may be but if you had caused an accident or were to harm somebody you would cost the system money and time. I am literally speechless and the more I argue the worse it gets. I am arguing with them meaning I don’t accept their judgment of me and my character! Be careful they tell me otherwise you will be looking at prison time? I go home sheepishly mortified that my freedom and choices are now being curtailed.
    I turn on the telly and am faced with what? A picture of our glorious leader jaywalking to his car and I sit there wondering if any blowback is coming to him? And by whom no less?

    Technology and computer high tech are driving us all to our extinction and we do not even understand it fully. McLuhan and Muggeridge sure did and yet with all their knowledge what they could have given us all if only they understood the connection to the Book of Revelation and its prophecies surrounding a coming king and this 666.

    Do not be deceived

  5. milan
    milan says:

    @ Curmudgeon

    I must add to if one thinks about the true ramifications of the Big Brother society imagine we are being surveilled into obedience!!!! An obedience that will even require once the universal income becomes commonplace due to the communists goal of the redistribution of wealth {hmmm negative interest rates?} a computer chip for administering this entire system for the benefit of all! Essentially a new and perfect Social Insurance System.

    There was a quote by a Col. Edward House in his novel called PHILIP DRU: ADMINISTRATOR: A STORY OF TOMORROW 1920-1935 {how prophetic a title} which blew my mind when first I read and it left me wondering wow if they had the kind of technology back then that we have today what would they have implemented?

    “[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a National system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer not being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two would figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner; every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.”32

    What gets me about this quote though is the almost verbatim way in which it mirrors what the bible has to say in Revelation 13 and the 666: Consider:

    “He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell…


    unless he had the mark, which is the number of his name.” {Rev. 13:16} {Emphasis mine}

    How’s that for Political Correctness? And to think that I still have in my possession my original Canadian birth certificate and guess what is printed in very small capital letters at the bottom “canadian bank note”?

    Do you think Dostoevsky was right the controlling of ones conscience and bread and wow how technology can bring this to pass!!!!

    Further note and note well that the 666 is one of the two unpardonable sins in the bible. I guess this is where for the world the line will be drawn in the sand and once one crosses it to become a true slave one will never find forgiveness before God and why should one? You reject the death of Christ for your sins and yet you choose to be bound to a world government that plays god with your life and you want it that way for a morsel of meat?

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