Trump and Julian

Julian the Apostate

To what extent might Trump be compared to Julian the Apostate? In case you haven’t yet read the Pagan, Hellenism, Gentile essay, Julian was the last Pagan emperor of Rome. He was the nephew of the first Christian emperor of Rome (if we can believe our history). He was very unhappy that Rome had succumbed to Christianity and that the aristocratic, Roman, manly virtues had been replaced by an overly-sentimentalist slave morality that valued equality over excellence and posited that all things Roman were bad, while they celebrated values that denigrated life and their own people. In Julian’s time, Rome was increasingly less Roman. The Senate, and the government as a whole, had long since become nearly completely dysfunctional. The military was led, or at least directed, by men who used it more for their own personal gain than for the good of the people. Julian’s most personal fight was perhaps against those in his own family who had adopted and “married into” the foreign religion for pragmatic reasons — to advance their own cause. And even though Julian fought against the encroachments of the Rome-hating ideology, he himself was far more Christian than he realized. Or, more precisely, he had secretly converted from Christianity during his youth, but he was unwittingly steeped in the mystical-philosophical mush (Neoplatonism) whose intercourse with Judaism birthed Christianity.

There are clear differences between Julian and Trump. Although both the Apostate and Trump came from wealthy, powerful families, Julian began as a philosopher and scholar, then became a successful general and administrator. Trump inherited a family business.

Julian came to power in what had by that point become the traditional Roman way — something of a civil war between relatives. Part of the cause of this war was that Julian was working in Gaul to clean up the corrupt bureaucracy, beat back invaders, and lower taxes on the local population. His relatives back east understood that he was becoming a populist leader and a threat to the establishment. In time, this led to a civil war in which forces loyal to Julian won fairly quickly.

After taking power, Julian remained something of a nativist-populist. He claimed that all citizens were equal under law and that he himself was merely the first among equals. Twitter did not exist, of course, but, like Trump, Julian entered the fray of politics directly, and he openly debated with Senators. He tried to clear the swamp by dismissing thousands of servants and idle bureaucrats. He cut the taxes on the people. This angered the corrupt imperial government, which was fed by these taxes. And not only the establishment, but also many of his allies and subjects were very uncomfortable with Julian’s Marcus Aurelius-inspired simple dress and lifestyle and with the familiar way he interacted with and spoke directly to the masses, as if they were his equal.

Julian’s rule did not last very long. To placate and woo those who supported his political rivals, he decided to wage a poorly planned and poorly executed war against Persia. There, he died in battle, under suspicious circumstances, possibly killed by one of his own troops, a man who was deemed a saint by the new religion for his treacherous murder.

The death of Julian marked the last gasp for a revival of Roman, pagan values. Christians increasingly occupied the now-splintered Roman government, and Europe would slowly adopt and adapt the new religion and make it its own. With the Jews having secured power in the US, the same thing is occurring once again. Like the Romans, Americans will change — and are already doing so. At this point, the progressive, non-Jewish, White Americans are just drinking the poison that creates the sensation that to be non-Jewish and White is bad.

Perhaps, like the late-antiquity Europeans, we will find a way to adapt and remain ourselves, and the non-Jewish White people will not go extinct. But there is an important difference between today’s poison and that which was ingested 2000 years ago.  Actually, there are many, but the one that interests me at the moment is that The Jews never really took power in Rome as they have in the US. The situation here is more like the one in ancient Egypt — as told in the Bible and by Josephus — whereby the Jews, represented by Joseph, became tax farmers for the pharaoh. One familiar with history can deduce that the Hebrew intermediaries administered the government while the pharaoh tended to his concubine and to hunting gazelle. This went on well for the Hebrews until a new pharaoh, representing a faction hostile to the Jews, took the throne.

The new pharaoh was a populist. He knew that the Jews were fleecing the people while enriching the corrupt king. Josephus says that prior to this change of fate, the “the nation of the Israelites flourished (2.9.1),” suggesting that either the Jews had created their own ethnic state within Egypt, or that the dual citizens had successfully siphoned enough money from the Egyptian people to enrich the parent country.  Josephus then laments how the hostile new rulers [native Egyptians who had just overthrown the Hyksos ruler] were to the Jews. The oppressed Jews were now forced to participate in the corvee forced-labor economic system that they themselves formerly oversaw and through which the nation of the Israelites became wealthy. According to Josephus, the Jews and the pharaoh continued to fight for power “for 400 years.” In reality, it was probably less than 100 years before the Jews were finally driven out; or, according to the Jewish telling, they were allowed to leave, being led by Moses. Though the connection is based in conjecture, the exodus story coincides with Ahmose’s capture of Avaris from the Hyksos and the subsequent capture of Gaza. This interpretation would also explain why the Israelites no longer had a place in the “promised land.” Since Jacob’s time, it too had been conquered by Hyksos, and now by the Egyptians.

To return to contemporary times, then, in the present election, the two leading Democratic candidates were Biden and Sanders. Sanders, of course, is Jewish. Not everyone knows that all three of Biden’s children married Jews. Biden won the election. He decided to choose a running mate who openly and repeatedly called him a racist; but her husband is Jewish. Trump, as we all know, has a converted Jewish daughter and a Jewish son-in-law, who had an outsized influence on the president’s policy. Many Americans looked for an alternative and turned to the libertarian party. This year their vice-presidential candidate was Jewish. When it comes to contemporary American politics, rather than turtles, it is Jews (Jewish White people) all the way down.

If one were so inclined to merge Hegel with Foucault, and view history as dialectical, but multiple and local rather than teleological, he might see in the Trump phenomenon a synthesis between Julian and an Egyptian provincial governor: one who unwittingly threw in his lot with the oppressors, only to realize, too late, why the Tribe found his growing nativist populism a real threat. Rather than speculate how the Trump saga unfolds, I will defer to the readers to suggest how this plays out.

31 replies
  1. Jerry Seriatos
    Jerry Seriatos says:

    Julian was the last pagan emperor of the Roman Empire in New Rome (Constantinople) not in the old Rome.

  2. Mona
    Mona says:

    There are 612 MPs in the German Parliament; not a single one of them is Jewish! voila! it’s the Germans themselves destroying Germany
    All the influence Jews might have comes down to one factor: Their holy status bestowed on them by the christian churches.
    Abrahamism: Biggest scam ever!

    • Ray Caruso
      Ray Caruso says:

      Your point of view is uninformed, to say the least. Real Christianity is inimical to the Jews. Traditional Christians considered Jews to be “Christ killers” and “sons of the devil” destined for hell. It is liberalism and the so-called Enlightenment, which pretend religion is merely a private matter, that have unleashed Jewish malevolence on Christians, doing so with the aid of some Protestant (heretical) sects that have been influenced by those ideologies. Once Christian countries became “Western” countries, which is to say, once they secularized, things became far better for the old enemy.

      • Adûnâi
        Adûnâi says:

        For 2000 years, Christians have considered it sinful to kill the Jews – but not the antisemitic Pagans! History shows that however “inimical” the Jesus-worshippers were to the Palestinians, they still hated native Europeans more, having no qualms about genociding scores of Saxons and Slavs. The failure of Christianity to retain even the vestiges of its milquetoast “hatred” of the Jews definitely demonstrates its uselessness to preserve the Aryan race at best, and its Trojan Horse nature at worst.

  3. Tarrasik
    Tarrasik says:

    It’s very interesting that you bring up the Joseph and the enslaving of Egypt. Many people believe it’s no coincidence that the reign of the mysterious pharaoh Akhenaten occurred at about the same time as the Israelite exodus, around 1360 BC. Freud wrote a book called Moses and Monotheism claiming Moses was Akhenaten. There are many similarities. Akhenaten introduced a form of tyrannical monotheism into Egypt, and attempted to destroy the existing polytheism. His reign had significant power and influence in Palestine as shown by the Amarna letters, a collection of diplomatic letters in clay form found at Amarna, Akhenaten’s new capitol city. His statues and paintings portray him as a bi-gender with exaggerated male and female characteristics. He (it) is tall with a bold masculine face, yet with large breasts and hips. Akhenaten is the epitome of the androgynous Hebrew god. Adam Green recently hosted Christopher Bjerknes who has written a book on this. Josephus mentions the Egyptian historian Manetho’s claim that Moses was a priest of Osiris who became the leader of the Hebrews. I believe that Akhenaten was actually the ‘Lord’ (Jehovah/Yahweh) of Exodus and Moses was his right hand man. I have always been struck by the personal nature of the interactions between Moses and Yahweh. It’s almost as though Yahweh was physically present during Exodus, living in a tent and being fed by sacrifices.
    Akhenaten is usually shown with a very large head. I have been considering the possibility that Akhenaten/Yahweh was related to the Paracas Indians, Many people believe they were not human, but members of a related race of very high intelligence. Possibly their species had a highly advanced civilization which was destroyed at the end of the last Ice age as part of the great megafauna extinction. They have been living in hiding, using their Hebrew surrogates to interact with humans. Remember that Hebrews are the Chosen of Yahweh. The rapid advance of modern man has forced them to show their hand. They may be the builders of the great pyramids and other creators of the many mysterious paleolithic stone structures.
    This is sheer speculation, but everything is up for re-interpretation nowadays.

  4. TJ
    TJ says:

    Is Redlands California a good place to live?

    Redlands is in San Bernardino County and is one of the best places to live in California. … In Redlands there are a lot of parks. Many families and young professionals live in Redlands and residents tend to have moderate political views. The public schools in Redlands are highly rated.

    What is the crime rate in Redlands CA?

    39 per one thousand residents
    With a crime rate of 39 per one thousand residents, Redlands has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes – from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One’s chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 26. [per year, I presume]

    The racial makeup of Redlands was 47,452 (69.0%) White (54.0% Non-Hispanic White), 3,564 (5.2%) African American, 625 (0.9%) Native American, 5,216 (7.6%) Asian, 235 (0.3%) Pacific Islander, 8,266 (12.0%) from other races, and 3,389 (4.9%) from two or more races.

    As the culture collapses, information is getting less and less reliable and filled with contradictions.

  5. Pierre de Craon
    Pierre de Craon says:

    “In Julian’s time, Rome was increasingly less Roman.”

    This sentence emblematizes the incoherence of this article as a whole. What does its author mean by it, and does he actually have the slightest idea in what “Romanitas” might be said to have subsisted in either the personal or political domain? Does he, as it seems, expect his readers to supply information he evidently has, at the utmost, only a glancing familiarity with?

    Why, too, are the bulk of his comments confined to uninformative generalities (“Julian’s rule did not last very long”), fits of name-dropping (Sanders, Hegel, Josephus, Foucault … Foucault!?!), and anachronistic inanities (“Julian was something of a nativist-populist”; was he indeed?).

    The frosting on this author’s curious cake is composed of his confident but totally confused references to history-that-ain’t (is he really linking, perhaps even equating, the Hebrews and the Hyksos?) and the hip, village-atheist-style Christophobic sneer with which he concludes his first paragraph.

    Be it said in conclusion, however, that I am grateful for the arrival of his final sentence’s better-late-than-never deference. (It’s hard to imagine President Trump reacting otherwise.) In this regard, the author might have done well to learn from the words of Victor Borge, a personality whose name our author did not drop: “Prediction is a tricky business, especially when it comes to predicting the future.”

    • ariadna
      ariadna says:

      I liked Victor Borge –a Jewish pianist and classy comedian originally from Denmark– but I think you got your Danes confused.
      Another Dane (a tad more famous) is credited with that bon mot:
      “A letter attributes the following comment to Niels Bohr: Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future. It is said that that Bohr used to quote this saying to illustrate the differences between Danish and Swedish humour.”

      • Pierre de Craon
        Pierre de Craon says:

        Thank you for passing along this anecdote. I don’t discount the possibility that Borge picked the line up from Bohr, but it was certainly Borge whom I heard say it—during a live performance at Lincoln Center in New York back in the seventies. It is also the kind of witticism that was typical of Borge’s style.

        I now wonder whether Niels Bohr ever fell off a piano stool while playing the opening of the Tchaikovsky First Concerto.

        • ariadna
          ariadna says:

          I liked VB’s punctuation monologue.
          No, Niels could not do that. You know the proverb: “Quit licet Borgi non licet borgi.” I seem to have read somewhere he would just play with his atomic model in the sand, shouting at passersby “Noli tangere atomum meum.” I may be confused though.

    • John
      John says:


      Sen. Kamala Harris will likely be the next VP. Her husband is Jewish.

      Joe Biden has just named his Chief of Staff: Ron Klain. He’s Jewish.

      • Adolf Shickelruber
        Adolf Shickelruber says:

        There is no Jewish Lobby or excessive Zionist influence in the USA. The fact that 3 of the last 5 Presidents have had Jewish son in laws, that 3 of the last Chairs of the Federal Reserve were/are Jewish, that the likely next VP has a Jewish spouse, and the President Elect has appointed a Jewish Chief of Staff,all this is pure coincidence.

      • ariadna
        ariadna says:

        I’ll see your Klain and raise you all the rest, according to the Forward (please appreciate the use of “mainstream traditional” in the description):
        “Klain’s role assisting Democrats during the 2000 presidential election recount in Florida was portrayed by Kevin Spacey in the 2008 movie Recount. His appointment means that prominent Jewish political operatives will have served as incoming chief of staff to the last two Democratic administrations. President Barack Obama selected Rahm Emanuel for the role when he took office in 2009.
        Biden’s pick of Klain is an early indication he intends on encouraging a return to mainstream, traditional governance after a raucous and often unconventional Trump administration. Many of the other top Jewish contenders for roles in the Biden administration also played leading roles under Obama, including an architect of the Iran Nuclear Deal and the former U.S. ambassador to Israel.
        Here’s a look at a few of the people being discussed right now.

        Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who battled Biden for the presidential nomination, is lobbying for an appointment as Labor Secretary. Sanders represents the left flank of the Democratic Party, far from Biden’s centrism, but he quickly endorsed the former vice president after dropping out of the race this spring, and the two campaigns collaborated on a handful of issues.
        Some union leaders, however, remain skeptical about Sanders, and another Jewish politician — Rep. Andy Levin of Michigan — is also in the running, according to CNN.

        One union leader, Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, is being considered for education secretary.
        For years, Democratic leaders have been caught between their traditional support of teachers’ unions and the charter-school advocates who were hostile to them. But the “red for ed” wave of teacher strikes over the last four years and a backlash against Trump’s Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has pushed Democrats like Biden to the left on education. Weingarten, who is married to a Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum, has close ties to the Jewish community. Such an appointment would also be a meaningful nod to organized labor, which rallied around Biden this election.

        Biden confidant Tony Blinken, a longtime diplomat whose stepfather survived Nazi concentration camps, is in the running for Secretary of State or National Security Advisor, Reuters has reported. Blinken spent the campaign reassuring organizations like AIPAC and the American Jewish Committee that a Biden administration would continue to support Israel and he praised the Abraham Accords in an interview with Jewish Insider.

        Wendy Sherman, another Jewish diplomat, served as the lead American negotiator on the Iran Nuclear Deal and has been named as a possible pick for Secretary of State or ambassador to the United Nations.

        Dan Shapiro, Obama’s Ambassador to Israel, may return to Washington in a senior policy position related to the Middle East in the administration.

    • Adolf Shickelruber
      Adolf Shickelruber says:

      Exactly, which is why White American Nationalists supporting Trump is so sad and laughable. The USA has been so thoroughly Jewified that it matters not a jot who wins the Presidency. We Europeans arent much better but we still have the advantage that our Jews are much less numerous than in the US. Many countries in fact are almost Juden frei .If we take the most reliable figures, issued by the Israeli Government-the people it considers racially eligible to return to the promised land-
      Europe: Population 700m, Eligible Jews= 3m. USA: Population 330m, Eligible Jews= 12m.

      • Achilles Wannabe
        Achilles Wannabe says:

        Yeah, not just Jews but Ashkenazim. Analogizing to the animal kingdom, the Ashkenazim are like pit bulls with high IQ’s
        as compared with the more Collie like Sephardics. I think around 85% of our US Jews are Ashkenazi. This raises the question of how so many of this more aggressive type Semite got omitted to the US when – at least as the historian Dr Joyce tells us – “some of the key concerns” …
        “of the most prestigious class —the mainline “super-Protestants”(WASP’s)- included,
        “… controlling the demographic of the country via immigration restrictions”.
        Now, if the most prestigious class of Americans were restricting immigration,
        how did all those pit bulls – maybe 2 million? -get past the guards? This is a question I wish our historians of the Judaization of America would address. It might tell us something not just about ethnic relations in the late 19th century but also in the 20th,

  6. ariadna
    ariadna says:

    We live in a time of dizzying reversals that shake us with fits of cognitive dissonance: the Republicans (at least Trump) behave like defenders of the working/middle class and of nativist interests, while the Democrats very much like the exponents of globalism and tools of Wall Street, big tech, big Pharma, and Orwellian MSM.
    In the throes of confusion, when connecting the dots seems to be an near-impossible task, the refuge is apophenia.
    The feverish search for a pattern that could organize it all in a comprehensive view yields “epiphanies” like: Trump is Hitler Redivivus, no, he is more like Mussolini, no, wait, he is emperor Julian! Didn’t Julian, too, want to return the late Roman Empire to its pagan past, casting out the new, foreign cult and mores? There you have it. That’s Trump for you. Wasn’t the Roman Empire also decayed, on its way to crumbling in its own footprint? There you have it. That’s the American Empire for you.
    Details are not important. Churlish critics like Pierre de Craon are nit-pickers claiming that knowledge of boring ancient history is somehow necessary when citing it, as if that were the case when citing anything.
    Finally, TOO is crying for diversity. It does not publish authors representing the views of long-oppressed racial or sexual minorities. At the very least once in a long while it can publish a piece that does not belong in the elitist category of sterling scholarship.

    • Pierre de Craon
      Pierre de Craon says:

      Churlish critics like Pierre de Craon …

      My shrink lays the blame on (((Rodgers and Hammerstein))). I was young and impressionable when “Flower Drum Song” opened in the late fifties, and in those dark days before disco, rap, and soul, Broadway show tunes were the stuff of Top Ten lists. Day after day through early 1959, I’d wake up to the sound of Doris Day singing what sounded like “I Enjoy Being a Churl.” The impact on me was incalculable.

      I now see that I might just have misheard a word or two of the lyrics, but AM radio reception could be dicey.

      • ariadna
        ariadna says:

        Life altering indeed. No less than someone’s obsessive search for the elusive Mr Ritchie Stands caused by a garbled Pledge of Allegiance (“… to the US flag and the republic for Ritchie Stands”).

  7. Jack McArthur
    Jack McArthur says:

    The only significant connection between the protagonists is that one allowed the Jews to try and rebuild the temple in Jerusalem and the other who has bent over backwards to give them everything they would like other than flattening Iran. In typical style he has been repaid with ingratitude – they don’ṭ do mercy either.

    The 400 years mentioned in the article does indeed have a connection to the Hyksos via the 400 Year foundation stele of the Temple of Set/Sutekh in the Hyksos capital erected in the reign of King Seti 1 (named after the god Set). Along with similar stele i e. the Storm and Famine Stele it is used to argue that Jews whilst searching for their ancient roots toured the sites of Ancient Egypt and wove together material such as this, from different eras, into the Exodus story.

    The Hyksos like the later Jews were monolatric in their worship. Set became demonized in the late period and was associated with Yahweh. Recall who Jesus said was the Father of the Jews who persecuted him.

    Ramses II used to be the King of the claimed Exodus because of the reference to his city in the biblical account but then his mummy was found in a secure cave at the end of the 19th century and not at the bottom of the Red Sea.

    Though King Akhenaten is often described as the first monotheist he along with Queen Nefertiti formed a trinity i.ẹ. it differed from the Jewish form post Josiah.

    The antipathy of Julian towards Christianity:
    “As a child of six years, Julian witnessed the assassination of his father, brother and other family members by the guards of the imperial palace; rightly or wrongly, he blamed this brutal act on the Emperor Constantius, who passed himself off as an outstanding Christian. The Christian faith was thus definitively discredited in his eyes. Upon becoming emperor, Julian decided to restore paganism, the ancient Roman religion, while reforming it in the hope of making it the driving force behind the empire.”

    Note that in the Turin King list the Hyksos chiefs are listed as rulers and do not have the royal cartouche. The King whom Joseph is supposed to have served is considered by some to have been Hyksos ruler and not an Egyptian King which explains some of the biblical account cf. David Rohl.

    • Jack McArthur
      Jack McArthur says:

      A Jewish scholar on the 400 year stele:

      “Baruch Halpern suggests that if the Israelites scribes knew the 400 Year stele, that such knowledge is evidence of the portrayal of Israel as Hyksos and the identification of Ramses as the Pharaoh of the Exodus. He asserts the Israelites linked themselves to the memory of the Hyksos in Egypt probably during the time of Solomon when relationships between the two countries were good and monuments were being relocated from Goshen/Avaris to Tanis where the 400-year stele ultimately was found”.

      Others argue that the hated Hyksos era would never have been the subject of commemoration but the area of Avaris is where Ramses family is likely to have come from and Seth was not demonized in that era regardless of the Hyksos worshiping a form of him. Note the stele does not state explicitly that it relates to the founding of a temple as I wrote above.

  8. Thomas Tom Sunic
    Thomas Tom Sunic says:

    To put it diplomatically all three Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, have a poor track record of tolerance – except when pledging allegiance toward their own in-group only. From the mid-1st ct. to the 5th ct. a multitude of Christian sects in the Roman Empire, e.g. Donatism, Marcionism, Montanism, etc., were victims more of their own interreligious killings than victims/martyrs of the policies carried out by anti-Christian Roman emperors . Until the late 1st ct. most cultivated Romans (of Germanic, Illyrian, Latin, Celtic origin) could not tell the difference between Jewish and Christians worshippers, both consisting exclusively of Levantine-Semitic-north African-non-European migrants and captives. “Odium generis humani” –disgust of/for humanity- as the Romans labeled them. There are tons of books on this topic – i.e. Athens vs Jerusalem. Nietzsche lumps Jews and Christians together; S. Devi calls them “Bolsheviks of Antiquity.” Jews are not the problem in the USA/EU now; the problem are Gentiles acting as super-Jews – more than Jews themselves – apparently in an effort to become “verus Israel.” Check my piece if you wish.


    • Achilles Wannabe
      Achilles Wannabe says:

      “Jews are not the problem in the USA/EU now; the problem are Gentiles acting as super-Jews – more than Jews themselves”

      Well I wouldn’t go quite THAt far. I think literal Jews are still very much the problem. However the Gentile as Super Jew is worth noticing. I have evangelicals in my family and it is striking how much they have slid right back into the Hebrew Bible and Semophilia. “God is still working with his people” they tell me which is a one size fits all excuse to accept anything the Jew does either in the West or Israel. Then there is their “end time” scenario which seems to include their taking over the world during the thousand year rule of Christ. This is a very materialist eschatology
      It is not other worldly in the classic Christian sense. It is very JEWISH in its absence of traditional spirituality. But it vests Evangelicals in Israel as that is where the apocalypse will take place that brings Jesus back. I think evangelical Christians are really fifth columnists

      • Pierre de Craon
        Pierre de Craon says:

        This is a very materialist eschatology.

        Indeed. That literalist misreadings of the complex, apocalyptic language of the Book of Revelation have become the basis of every Evangelical offshoot of Christianity over the past four hundred or so years is both beyond doubt and beyond curious. Just as curious, too, is the ease with which Evangelicals elide the import of Christ’s plain words to Pilate: “My kingdom is not of this world.”

        I think evangelical Christians are really fifth columnists.

        Perhaps, but I think it’s more likely that they are simply weak and confused and are thus easily led. Nor do they get much encouragement, especially nowadays, to adopt a fundamentally adult posture: to see that material contentment and a soft life are not the norm of human existence and cannot be expected to come easy. That life is as much to be endured as enjoyed is not a popular lesson, but experience suggests that it is an inescapable one.

  9. Adûnâi
    Adûnâi says:

    This seems like a half-missing entry in TVTropes – the penultimate ruler of a décadent race tries to turn back the clock by returning to what once made the nation great – and fails.
    In the LotR universe, it was the one before the last King of Númenor, Tar-Palantir, who is incredibly reminiscent of Julian (one might think Catholic Tolkien would not draw upon anti-Christian artchetypes…).
    On the other hand, you might also have heard of the last gasp of air of the Soviet Union – Yuri Andropov, who reigned for 15 months, and tried to bring back the state from the edge of collapse. But then Gorbachev cast the last Aryan country’s legacy into oblivion.

  10. JJ Cale
    JJ Cale says:

    Did Christianity cause the corruption of late Rome, or did it come about after? If the old Religion, the strong men, the Gods, failed, why? What about usury? I would like remind people that the Greeks are gone, and the Romans, too. Gone, gone, gone. The people of the West, our western civilization, have a long history with Christianity. Let’s not be the joke in the Jewish sitcom, Seinfeld, where Jerry and Cramer, to Elain’s consternation, believed an immigrant family opened a dry cleaning business in New York city thirty years ago as a plot to steal Jerry’s tennis shoes.


  11. S. Clark
    S. Clark says:

    I enjoyed the article, and was reminded of a favorite novel of mine, Gore Vidal’s Julian. It did a great job showing Julian’s world, and makes it clear Julian really disliked the Christians, but his attempts to reinstitute paganism fumbled and probably were just too late. The Christians had muscle by then. In this respect, I do think Trump can be compared to Julian, as I thought when he was elected. Trump has tried to do what should have been done thirty years ago, and he had a lot of bad advisors and poor choices…but this was the less his fault than that of the system and the stagnant GOP. Sessions looked like a great choice, but he was a real mistake. Then Barr..looks and talks great, but does nothing.
    Julian also made a big mistake making war on Persia, and I think, as Vidal posits, that the Christians had Julian assassinated.
    I wrote a play about Hypatia of Alexandria, a great woman philosopher who, because she wouldn’t renounce paganism, was torn to pieces by a mob of Christian monks. Re-reading the play, I got a chilly resemblance to the Christian fanaticism of that era and Antifa.
    As for Jewish control of America, it’s pretty obvious to anyone, and it reminds me of 17th century Poland, where the Jews became tax collectors and also in charge of the Vodka supply, and the rather dim aristocracy let themselves be controlled…much like our leadership has become seduced. But I don’t think about evil Jews…America has always had a sleazy, mercantile side, and we clearly see a co-habitation here of two plutocratic groups.
    As Harold Covington Said four years ago, Trump was not a solution. At the most, he bought us a breathing space, a chance to regroup .of four, maybe eight years. Now we see it’s only four.
    Biden recalls an episode of I, Claudius where Tiberius, disgusted with Rome, almost cackles when he names Caligula as his successor. ‘Rome deserves you,’ he beams.
    I see the awful Biden gone soon, then Harris, and she might not last, then…Empress Pelosi, our Livia of the refrigerators of ice cream.

  12. S. Clark
    S. Clark says:

    I liked this article, as it recalled one of my favorite novels, Julian, by Gore Vidal. It is a lively and thoughtful study of the apostate, and Vidal caught the real animus Christians had for the pagans. Julian was probably, like Trump, too late. In Trump’s case, thirty years. Julian also made a big mistake invading Persia. and I concur with Vidal’s story that the Christians had him assassinated. really, a lesson here: don’t mess with Iran.
    Interesting what Hitler said of Julian, that he was called the apostate. No, Hitler said, he should be called the faithful and the Christians should be called the apostates for abandoning Roman values.
    I wrote a play about Hypatia of Alexandria, the woman philosopher torn to pieces by a mob of monks because she refused to renounce paganism. The scenes I wrote of this and statues of the gods being pulled down gave a chill as I see Antifa. But I believe that Malcom Muggeridge was the one who called communism the great Christian heresy, a wayward branch of it.
    As for Jews controlling America, I think that’s apparent, but it’s a co-equal rule of them and our plutocrats; it reminds me of 17th century Poland, where the Jews eventually got control of the Polish finances and concessions like the vodka market because the dim Aristocracy didn’t care to assert themselves.
    Harold Covington said Trump was at best only a breathing space of four or eight years. We now see four years was all we had. Certainly times ahead could see a flush of Caesarism. Choosing that clown Biden recalls the TV series I, Claudius, where Tiberius, disgusted with Rome, names Caligula as his successor. ‘Rome deserves you,’ he almost cackles. In the series, Caligula gets tired of waiting and has the old man smothered to death. A que for Harris? But I could see Harris being gotten rid of, leaving us with…Pelosi, the empress of ice cream, our social justice Livia.
    It’s such a decrepit, worn out system. Please, will someone secede?

  13. S. Clark
    S. Clark says:

    I enjoyed this article as it reminded me of a favorite novel, Julian, by Gore Vidal. Vidal’s Julian
    was anti-Christian, and was like Trump in that he was too late. Trump was what we needed thirty years ago, and in Julian’s time, Christianity had become too strong. I also concur with Vidal’s story that Julian was assassinated by Christians in Persia.
    It’s interesting what Hitler said, in that he disliked Julian being called the apostate. he said Julian was true to classical and Roman values; it was the Christians who were the apostates.
    Probably Julian’s big mistake was invading Persia. It should be a lesson: don’t mess with Iran.
    I wrote a play about Hypatia, the Alexandrian female philosopher torn apart by a mob of monks because she continued to be pagan, and in my play, when mobs tear down pagan statues and attack her, it had a chilling effect, Antifa in a classical setting.
    I agree that Jews have enormous power in America, but they rule jointly with the corporate heads; there is a symbiotic base of plutocrats. I’m reminded of 17th century Poland, where the Jews wound up controlling the finances and various monopolies like the vodka trade because the dim aristocracy lost control of their country and were bought off.
    I agree with Harold Covington that Trump was, at best, only a breathing space of four, maybe eight years. Now, we know it was only four. He also said 2016 was a peasant revolt. Now we’ll see what happens when the lords and knights are back in the saddle.
    Biden reminds me of the TV series I, Claudius, where a jaded Tiberius, seeing what Caligula is like, makes him his successor. ‘Rome deserves you,’ he almost cackles. In the end (on TV), Caligula got tired of waiting and smothered Tiberius to death. A hint to Harris? Then, she could easily be gotten rid of, and we’d have Pelosi ruling, the empress of ice cream, our social justice Livia. recalling Julian certainly makes us seem like later Roman politics.

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