In response to: “The Way Forward: A New Christianity, Partition, and a General Operational Plan”

Amalric de Droevig’s “The Way Forward: A New Christianity, Partition, and a General Operational Plan” is not the first time that advocates of white interests launch attacks on Christianity. The writers for The Counter Currents and The National Vanguard — to name just two of them — are doing the same. Detractors of Christianity among the ranks of white activists seem not to notice that they are playing into the hands of those — yes, Marxist, leftist, and liberal circles — which hold Christianity in low regard and would like to see it gone or transformed into something Christian in all but name.

When Christianity was at its best and its strongest in Europe, it kept the Jews down, the Muslims out, and the Whites in, to paraphrase the familiar phrase about NATO. It is only when Christianity became weaker and weaker that it stopped performing its role. Until that time Christians — Christian knights and monarchs along with Christian priests and theologians — were never squeamish about waging wars and forcefully converting others or driving other faiths out. They did all those things with their motives rooted in the Scripture! Think of Charlemagne (mentioned in Amalric de Droevig’s text), think of the Crusaders, think of the Teutonic Knights, think of Jeanne d’Arc, think of the Gott mit uns legend on the belt buckles of the German soldiers during the two world wars, think of… — you name it.

Jeanne d’Arc incited the French Christians to fight the English Christians; the (German) Teutonic Knights waged wars against the Christian Polish state, and while the former resorted for spiritual help to Jesus Christ, the latter did the same invoking the Mother of God; the Czech Hussites reciprocated cruelty upon cruelty in their fight against the German Catholics; German Protestant Christians of the 16th and 17th century relished in butchering German Catholic Christians and vice versa; the list is long, and I am only recalling these facts to show that in none of the historical events did it ever occur to Christians to turn the other cheek and to show meekness. Rather, they readily burnt opponents at the stake or dispatched them in thousands with little or no remorse.

This turn-the-other-cheek attitude has been cleverly induced into the minds of theologically and psychologically feeble Christians by the Saul-Alinsky type of Christianity’s opponents. Remember one of his precepts from The Rules for Radicals? If an organization that is opposed to us states that it will answer each and every letter, heap it with thousands of letters! They will neither be capable of processing them, nor — if they try to do so — will they be able to continue their activity. The same has been done with Christianity, and theologically and psychologically feeble Christians. Christians constantly heard this, “Turn the other cheek! Turn the other cheek! Turn the other cheek!,” and you know what? Christians have swallowed it lock, stock, and barrel! The Saul-Alinsky type of opponent of Christianity acted just like the devil tempting Christ, and quoting Scripture. But wait! What did the Saviour do? He paid the devil back in the same coin: quotation against quotation. So easy, and yet … so hard for present-day Christians.

In a thousand-or-so-pages-thick Scripture you can find quotes for anything you please. The Teutonic Knights, mentioned above, would reference all their military actions to the Bible, justifying conquests and the use of specific kinds of weaponry. Try reading Peter von Dusburg’s Chronicon Terrae Prussiae: page after page after page there are long passages justifying war and the use of swords, spears, shields, bows etc., all rooted meticulously in the Bible. Again, did Jeanne d’Arc talk about turning the other cheek? By no means. Instead, she insisted she had been commanded by God — the Christian God! — to militarily drive out the English from France. Somehow — as far as I know — even though she was later tried, no one advanced the argument that she had violated the precepts of Christianity while advocating war, and — mind you! — there were theologians and priests among her accusers. Why didn’t even they roll out such a crushing argument? It somehow did not occur to them.

So once again, alluding to the paraphrase of the strong Christian creed keeping the Jews down, the Muslims out, and the Whites in: why did Muslims not relocate to Europe at the time when Christianity was Christian apart from the military invasion of Spain? Well, they would not have been accepted and certainly they would not have been able to mingle in Christian societies. They would not have been allowed to build mosques, and so on. Were marriages between Christians and Muslims thinkable at that time? God forbid! Not merely because they were formally forbidden, but because it would not have occurred to a deeply believing Christian to commit such a sacrilege. It gets even more interesting at this point. Christians who cared about their faith at that time could hardly imagine marriages across Christian sects. The readers will be familiar with the strongly anti-Catholic sentiment in the United Kingdom; they may not know, though, that Russian tsars and grand dukes of the 18th and 19th century very frequently married German princesses. The point is that none of these princesses was Catholic — though Germany and its the ruling houses were split in this respect among Catholics and Protestants — and before those women became imperial or ducal spouses, they needed to convert to Orthodoxy. Catholics, you see, would have refused to convert (which by the way exposes what a debilitating effect Protestantism had on the White man’s world). One of the Polish kings would have been accepted as the Russian tsar (at the beginning of the 17th century) if only he had converted to Orthodox Christianity. He didn’t. Zero tolerance. Zero understanding or acceptance of the other, even the other Christian. Creed can be a strong vaccine against aliens, a strong immunological system. A non-Christian Rishi Sunak as a head of a Christian state was unthinkable at that time!

Speaking of Russia, the readers will have known about the Pale of Settlement for Jews; perhaps they do not know that there were certain military decorations that could not be granted to Russian Muslim subjects of Russia’s central Asian provinces. Why am I mentioning all this? To show that the problem lies not in the Christian faith, but in the feebleness of the mind and general effeminacy on the part of Christians, and also in the clever doings of its enemies who exploit selected biblical passages and foist their interpretation on the churches that are foolish enough to accommodate them.

Turn the other cheek… Why not, Crescite et multiplicamini (Be fruitful and multiply)? Why not, “I have not brought peace but war?” Why not go and convert all the peoples? Why not, “Who has not believed is already condemned?” Why not the Old Testament’s (the part of Scripture that Protestants are so enamored of), “Stone him to death! Stone him to death!” for almost everything?

I hope you see the point. Feeble-minded, effeminate Christians have been presented with an anti-Christian interpretation of their own belief by anti-Christians and you know what? Christians swallowed it whole with gratitude!

Amalric de Droevig points to ancient Romans and Greeks having prosperous and flourishing societies that operated without Christianity, but they have disappeared. Where’s the advantage? They grew weak without Christianity (though some put the blame on Christians, which is by no means convincing). Why? Because they stopped believing in what they had believed earlier. Take another example: communism. It crashed in the USSR, but has not in China. Yes, I know, China is sort of capitalist, but still the communist party holds the reigns of power and Marxism-cum-Maosim is the national “creed.” The Soviets gradually stopped believing — BELIEVING — in their “religion,” so they ended up enslaved by their enemies who had been programming the Russian minds for decades that McDonald’s and blue jeans — to put it symbolically — are worth giving up Yuri Gagarin or the Motherland Calls (Родина-мать зовёт).

Consider that also the Soviet Union tried hard to eradicate Christianity in the hope of creating a powerful society and it all came to nothing. Rather, Christian revival is being promoted nowadays in Russia, with President Vladimir Putin calling on Russians to crescite et multiplicamini et replete terram (Russicam) or, to quote the original: “Large families must become the norm, a way of life for all Russia’s peoples,” and “Yes, the Church is separate from the state [but] I would like to note in this context that the Church cannot be separated from society or from people.”

Indeed, it cannot. The West is dying because it has given up on its faith. In an effort to do away with Christianity, which is allegedly guilty of the West’s decline, some try to replace it with Christianity under a new guise. I’m thinking for instance of the National Vanguard and its symbol, which is one of the runes that is just a warped Christian cross. I wonder why of all the runes they selected this one. Their website too is full of anti-Christian sentiment, as if Christianity were to blame for the collapse of the Western world. What they level their guns at are Christians in name only, readers of the Bible and followers of Christian gurus. To a cradle Catholic like myself, such Christianity is weird, to say the least. True, today the Roman Catholic Church increasingly resembles Protestant denominations, but that’s precisely what I am trying to draw the reader’s attention to: the Church has been infiltrated and taken over. The latest papal encyclicals are about ecology and immigration rather than morality and salvation. Is it still Christianity?

In Poland, generally thought of as a Catholic country (along with Italy, Spain, Austria and Ireland, maybe less so France) young people — also among intellectuals — have begun to follow the example of their Western counterparts to ceremoniously make an act of apostasy, and to brag about it on social media. Do you think these are the people who would like to preserve the White race? They had parted with Christianity long before they made the act of apostasy and they are all progressivist, leftist, and globalist. They want us to abandon our faith.

My diagnosis of the problem? It is not the religion of the White man that is to be blame, but the religion’s perception and re-interpretation that have been foisted on Christians incapable of true theological reflection. The churches (and all other White institutions, such as universities) have been taken over and turned into their opposites by clever mindsuckers. Rather than going along the wishes of the mindsuckers, i.e., destroying the remnants of what we, as Whites, still possess, we would do better to reclaim those institutions, and become (again) proud and defiant, and stand our ground. It is easy to roll out counterarguments. Turn the other cheek? Look, Christ did not turn the other cheek when he was slapped in the face during the trial. All people are good and deserving blessing? Quite the contrary is true: there are sons of perdition, individuals for whom it would be better not to have been born because — genetically? — they are incapable of doing good, and so on. You get the point. Do not let the Rules for Radicals operate against you.

Christianity has not become one hundred percent Christ and zero percent Charlemagne; rather, Charlemagne was one hundred percent Christian (“I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.”), while the White Man’s World is on its last legs because it is becoming zero percent Christian. That’s what the historical record says, does it not?

Jacek Szela
/yah-tsek shel-lah/

22 replies
  1. Aram K
    Aram K says:

    Regarding Russia:

    “Christian” Russia and the “Super Christian” Putin have sided with MUSLIM Turkey and MUSLIM Azerbaijan against Christian Armenia, the first country in history to have adopted Christianity, in 301 AD.

    Yes, there are geopolitical reasons but still Russia is not the Christian “champion” many people believe. It’s anti-LGBTQ, yes, but that alone does not make it Christian.

    Armenia, 1st Christian nation:

    Of course, Israel and the Jewish American lobby support Muslim Azerbaijan (and Turkey, in fact) against Christian Armenia, and so most American Christians automatically take Israel’s/Jews’ side. How pathetic is that?

    Israel is also trying to take over the Armenian Quarter of Jerusalem. Most Western Christians don’t know or care. Israel gets its way as always. That’s how pathetic the Christian world is. Christians are weak, as the article above says.

    See here:

  2. Alan
    Alan says:

    Very fine article by Mr. Szela.
    As non sectarian pro white culture slavic american folk we have some things in common with pre Vatican 2 heterosexual educated faith based l Roman Catholics but we are not Catholic.Vis a vis this article,.essentially his points are well taken. We would hope mankind would learn from history but objectively that doesn’t seem to be the case . Root theology is so often predictably diametrically opposed by sectarian churchocentricity, as we and many other
    excellent commenters on TOO previously stated.In support of this fine article we add that a podcast was sent to us exposing the Jews and low information “normie “evangelicals ,again, evangelicals,
    pushing the obvious jewish political cartoon nonsense of “Trump as God ,..and more for American consumption, if Trump is not the jewish messiah king,.the father of the vaccine ,that Trump, is God s premiere current voice and servant.
    This impels intelligent people to inquire what god is Trump the chabad lubavitch convert serving? Throughout old church history converso type jews and seditious malevolent subversively malicious jewish influences can consistently be found.
    In the news..770,Eastern Parkway..brooklyn.. new york..the Dead City..multiple chabad cult tunnels ,too numerous for NYPD to cement over ,though they attempted to do just that..and quickly. Blood stained mattresses.No damage controls, no legal technicality .no obfuscated speech, no word magic can obscure what apparantly has been happening in the multiple Chabad tunnels.Allegations of child murder sacrifices,sex trafficking..human trafficking abound.Chabad on eastern parkway reestablishes all anecdotes of baphometic moloch type jewish blood murder sacrifice travesties.Who builds tunnels? In the early 1900 s chinese had white sex brothels and opium dens in chinatown.
    Who builds tunnels? Rats..for centuries..Jews…usually predator criminals in most cases.We see zero evidence of any jewish pathological altruism ..there is zero evidence of any culture of Critique. So far horrified muffled astonishment is palpable.
    Advise robust public discussion.
    So much for screed from hasbara trolls.

  3. Eric
    Eric says:

    Men who believe the jesus story are seriously unintelligent. But even worse than that, they are lacking integrity–to be worshiping a cast of Jewish heroes like that!

    • RockaBoatus
      RockaBoatus says:

      “Men who believe the jesus story are seriously unintelligent” – That’s simply not true. There have been countless highly intelligent, even brilliant, theologians and philosophers throughout the centuries who have believed in God. These same theistic scholars and philosophers have not shied away from the sometimes-sophisticated arguments of atheists either. They have faced them squarely and have stood to-to-toe against their intellectual opponents.

      Granted, I understand that you think all Jesus folks are wrong, but that’s not the same as saying they are all “seriously unintelligent.”

      As a Christian and theist, I think atheists are wrong-headed from the outset. I don’t see how they can look around the world and life itself and conclude that there is no Divine Creator when it’s patently obvious that there is intelligent design and a level of complexity in the universe that completely supports the notion of a God who exists and governs all that we see. It’s hard for me to think that some primordial slime or puddle led to the intricacies, the level of order and complexity that we see all around us without an intelligent designer behind it all.

      However, I would never say that atheists such as Stephen Hawking or Richard Dawkins are “seriously unintelligent.” I would say they are wrong or mistaken when it comes to the question of God’s existence, but I wouldn’t belittle the intelligence of these men.

  4. Mike Bennett
    Mike Bennett says:

    Yes & No..! According to Gibbon ( The Decline and Fall of the Roman Emoire..1778) & “The Darkening Age” by Prof. Catherine Nixey, Christianity is a disaster for western civilization! Since this Jewish fabrication was hoisted on us by the chosenites, western society has embraced from Roman/ Hellenic pagan hero worship to worship of weaklings who sneak out of tombs after 3 days! The Catholic Churches are encouraging miscongenation ( Spsnish conquistadores marrying indigenous women!), and promotes equality among races! Yet the Jews still claim racial superiority with their exclusive tribal religion, but the west will keep acceptjng African Muslims. In 2022,the Archdiocese of Toronto sponsored. 1,000 Afghan families into the GTA and dumped them unto Toronto Social Services ….they love the welfare cheques and “ Praise be to Allah!”, “ Mohammed’s your uncle”! More Notre Dame Cathedral burnings coming your way? The only problem with the abolishment of the Christian religion., is that it must be immediately replaced with another one….faith cannot be in a vacuum for long! Perhaps the last pagan emperor of Rome ( Julian the Apostate) was right along..let’s go back to our Greek Hellenic roots! And of course, Marcus Aurelius’. “Meditations” has ideas that are better than our old Baltimore Catechism.

  5. Brendan
    Brendan says:

    Unfortunately, rational people know too much science to be religious anymore.
    Most modern people cannot believe in life after death, eternal damnation or eternal “bliss “
    Basking in the wonder-fullness of a Diety no one sees in life.
    We have to devise new myths to replace the outworn ideas of original sin, blood sacrifice, end of world apocalyptic fantasies etc.
    Otherwise, a good article.

    • Fritz
      Fritz says:

      have you ever looked into the eyes of your baby?
      Have you ever stood in front of a huge mountain range and was just overwhelmed by all this gorgeous perfection?
      Have you ever seen the sun go down in all of her beauty?
      It is simply insane to be an materialistic atheist who thinks he can explain this world with his “rationality”.
      These modern people have lost so much, you could consider them already dead inside.

  6. C.T.
    C.T. says:

    The West is dying because it has given up on its faith.

    In reality, the West is dying because of Christianity. When I read an article like the one above all I can think is that, although like the author I was also a cradle Catholic, he simply ignores the literature critical of Christianity from the racial POV (cf. my website).

    The article above begins with some historical claims that would be easy to refute in an essay. Is the average visitor of TOO familiar with Karlheinz Deschner’s ten volumes on the criminal history of Christianity, with literally thousands of academic footnotes? Over the years we have translated some passages of those volumes (see for example here and here).

    My diagnosis of the problem?… The churches (and all other White institutions, such as universities) have been taken over and turned into their opposites by clever mindsuckers.

    As I recently told a commenter in The Unz Review who used to comment here under another pen name:

    Not even white nationalists can handle the truth. I have told them a million times that when Christianity was healthy in the Americas, the Spanish and Portuguese stained their blood to the point that their descendants became mestizos, and these Iberians did so throughout the continent.

    The Catholicism of the Counter-Reformation was responsible for this loss of the genotype of the Iberian whites at a continental level. But since then the Jews were controlled by the Spanish Inquisition (we are talking about the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries when miscegenation was consummated), the racial right doesn’t pay attention to these historical facts simply because they break their cherished paradigm: that Christianity was recently corrupted by the Jews.

    The truth is that since Constantine founded his so-called Second Rome, universalist Christianity has been a machinery of miscegenation.

    Read William Pierce’s Who We Are, his history of the white race, for context.

    • Fritz
      Fritz says:

      LOL Karl Heinz Deschner…
      A radical leftist with a lot of hate for everything traditional and religious.
      You just confirmed the authors point. Stupid Neo-Pagans are working hand in hand with Jews, Liberals and Leftists to destroy what is left of european resistance, religious believes and faith.
      You do know that Deschners work is bringing up the evil progroms against the poor Jews of the middle ages by the evil catholic church a million times.
      People like you are a huge part of the problem and always have been.
      Ask Adolf Hitler!
      Read Mein Kampf again you wannabe-nationalist. Hitler feard and despised people like you – Neo-Pagans – even more than hardcore Marxists because those Neo-Pagans were destroying his movement from within.
      Neo-Pagans are the Jews most beloves aly.
      Greetings from Germany!

      • C.T.
        C.T. says:

        @ Fritz:

        The German Karlheinz Deschner (1924-2014), who as a very young man used Nazi uniform, was not leftist but liberal. If you don’t like him just change authors and you will have the same result: the Christians destroyed the classical world, as seen in this summary of the book by Vlassis Rassias. (And I am not a ‘pagan’ but an apostate.)

        • Fritz
          Fritz says:

          “I am not a ‘pagan’ but an apostate”

          So you are just another victim of modernity like any woke radical leftist, totally lost, without any spiritual or moral foundation and exactly that makes you useless to any virtuous cause. This is a highly spiritual and religious fight. The enemy knows this and is fighting this fight without any mercy against us. This is the reason the west look like it does today.

          What is EDOM?
          It is European Christendom.

          A warrior who is fighting for GOTT, VOLK und VATERLAND will always be superior to an atheist/apostate.

          “the Christians destroyed the classical world”

          LOL you know what – keep senslessly fighting the WRONG enemy alongside your great allies Chabad Lubbawitch, Rotschild, Deschner & Antifa, Katy Perry, Lil Peep and all the other hardcore anti-christian satanists that are ruling this world right now, keep calling Mein Kampf “dull” and seriously – take the Hakenkreuz out of your avatar, you only drag it to the mud because you are not a National Socialist. No atheist can be a good NS.

          BTW: Neo-Pagans and Apostates are exactly the same – both believe in nothing but empty phrases, both never pray and engage in spiritual warefare, GOD is not in their lives, they both have no connection to HIM and the spiritual world and therefore both see no sense in life and are useless to any resitance movement.

    • John
      John says:

      “In reality, the West is dying because of Christianity.”
      The ultimate solution is to make Our Race Our Religion. We can change religions, however, we cannot change Our Race. By making Our Race Our Religion, our survival (what is in our best interest) becomes our #1 priority.

    • Weaver
      Weaver says:

      Regarding “paganism,” what does it mean to be pagan? Pierce had a religion of cosmotheism which isn’t like old pagan religions.

      So, there’s an attempt here to say, “Christianity is to blame, but x is the alternative within the dichotomy.” However, it’s a false dichotomy.

  7. John
    John says:

    Our militias have stood down while our so-called leaders violated Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution, we have tens of millions of illegals, &, millions have entered our once nation illegally in the last few years. What part of INVASION don’t we understand?

  8. Alan
    Alan says:

    Whatever someone s speculation on ‘spirit” or non empirical perception of reality ,or the misguided religion of science, or lack of awareness of Soviet Jewish psychiatric auto destruction of intelligent dissent…Jewish scientism, facts about the Synagogue of Satan refuse to be repressed. A journalist of non Jewish extraction..Al..alawi was recently violently beaten to death ostensibly for exposing that globohomosexual front man Jew zelensky has quite the impressive expanding list of new luxury residences thanks to Genocide Jew Biden s lavish funding ,forgetting all the mitrovets assassinations for one moment.
    Some of our people also study biomedical science .they consistently report so many cheap deceptions,so many dogmatic holes in logic. As Italian Jew fraudster fauci said ‘I am the Science…Safe and effective..Trust the Science . We don’t debate objective verified science in any form.,but science was not and in our perspective never will be some sort of global saviour.Abuse of science.politicized or publicized or not, is overwhelmingly obvious everywhere on earth. There is the issue of geoenineering..negative weather modification interventions..militarized against farmers.,quite the diametric opposite of the global warming global cooling climate change Jew pseudoscience . We hear every smart device is a weapon ..sounds credible enough at this point.Vis a vis this excellent article .if anyone of any belief or non belief system recognizes the powers that should not be from TOO articles, we think that’s a step forward for mankind.

  9. John
    John says:

    “…French Christians to fight the English Christians;…”.
    We need to stop attacking each other, we’re not the enemy. We’re a unique race that built the modern world & our survival depends literally on Our Breakaway Civilization in perpetuity & head to the stars as we seek our unquenchable thirst for knowledge.

  10. Ronehjr
    Ronehjr says:

    The reason the ‘turn the other cheek’ psyop works is because it is actually in the New Testament.

  11. Fritz
    Fritz says:

    very good article. Adolf Hitler feared and despised Neo-Pagans for a reason. His whole fallout with Ludendorff was because of this question. Himmler even checked Ludendorffs wife of her “Jewish roots” because he thought of her that she must be a freemason and Jew because of her absurd writings.
    Some Ludendorffers even to this day are complaining about the evil Nazis that opressed their ridiculous “faith”. The SS did shot some of them for their subversive actions against the NSDAP.
    I recommend to todays Neo-Pagans that they read Hitlers Book again.
    He considered Neo-Pagans “more dangerous” even than a “harcore Marxist”, because they destroyed his movement from within. These people have nothing of real value to bring to the table for our problems today. If you don’t understand that this is spiritual and religious battle, you are worthless to the european resistance period.

  12. James Bowery
    James Bowery says:

    We’re headed for a rhyme with The Thirty Years War. The only way out of it that I see is The Fair Church℠ because it corrects the fatal flaw in the Treaty of Westphalia (that ended that blood-letting that killed 25% of central Europe) and led to our present situation. It is really incumbent on people to explain why their solutions are superior to its ecclesiastical law because time is running short and no one has bothered to do so. The alternative is to fall back to Militia Money after the blood-letting starts — which will only work locally and only for those places that have familiarized themselves with the idea.

  13. Dr. Doom
    Dr. Doom says:

    If Christianity was really bad for European White people, then you can bet that the Holy Bible would be taught in every school. The fact that the enemy wants to ban it should tell you something. The Book of Revelation says the fake jew is the Synagogue of Satan. That’s red pills for everyone. No, the churches have been infiltrated by the enemy. The Holy Bible still remains true. Those heretic poops of the church of the almighty dollar are false teachers and Judas goats. Especially those evangelists that ask for money on the boob tube. But you should know that mankind has a need for spiritual teaching, and if that is not filled by Christ, then all sorts of nasty cults and nonsense will be absorbed by the masses. I would rather have my family believe in Christ than become witches or scientology followers. Never follow the advice of a known enemy. Believe the word of Christ and they will be powerless to sway you. It’s those lazy churchgoers that don’t read the Holy Bible that are the real problem. Having some sad sack talking about Africa or tolerance instead of reading the Holy Bible is bad for you. There are many words and phrases in the Holy Bible, but tolerance of evil is not in there. There is absolutely nothing that wards off vampires like the cross. Just saying you believe in Christ is like kicking the enemy in the groin.

  14. Steve H
    Steve H says:

    It is disheartening to see these type of articles posted on a dissident right website. The christjew psyop has been a disaster to the European race!

    And no, we are not living in a secular age. Marxism and Leftism are simply secularized forms to christjewery (read Nietzsche. Or:

  15. Crush Limbraw
    Crush Limbraw says:

    The author has nailed it – historically, culturally and theologically……and coincidentally or not, jibes with what I’ve been trying to build with DaLimbraw Library to provide the Christian ammo for those who still have enough critical thinking ability to discern between good and evil.

    The degradation of Christianity into churchianity began several centuries ago with DaServants of Satan moving into DaPulpits…gradually, but incessantly. All of this is essentially covered at my website for the introduction and then linking to the library, but be warned – we are in a war and it is not for casual readers.
    Ever since 2015 when I started this venture in Government Religion Politics Culture – my biggest realization now is….There are NO Coincidences with God!

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