Spencer J. Quinn on Counter-Currents: Cathy Young vs. Darryl Cooper

Cathy Young vs. Darryl Cooper

In order for white Europeans to finally escape the hole they have dug for themselves, they must reevaluate the Second World War. This was the war in which Europe was conquered by the forces of liberal democracy coming from the west, and the forces of communism coming from east—two sides of the same globalist coin. Ultimately, whites were the big loser in that conflict, with over ten million needlessly slaughtered. But this was all for the good, we’ve been taught. This was all to crush a great evil, one we were told we’d do much better without. Only now, we are beginning to realize that we not doing any better without this so-called evil. With Europe and America being invaded by the Third World, and with this catastrophe being funded, enabled, and cheered on by the very inheritors of the victors of the Second World War, we’re beginning to discover an evil greater than the one we eradicated in 1945.

I would say reevaluating the Second World War ranks higher in importance than being versed in race realism, the Jewish Question, or white identity, as crucial as all of these things are. Fortunately, former Fox News personality and independent journalist Tucker Carlson is doing just this. Recently, he hosted historian and podcaster Darryl Cooper for an interview on X to discuss the Jonestown massacre and Cooper’s upcoming and sure-to-be-controversial project on WWII. Given the million-plus views and ten thousand comments their conversation has garnered, revisionist notions are suddenly, miraculously back in play in the American mainstream. As I listened to this engrossing podcast, I couldn’t believe what I was hearing.

Starting off, Carlson could not have praised Cooper more effusively—so much so that what followed will be impossible for him to walk back. Darryl Cooper, according to Carlson, is “the most important popular historian working in the United States today” thanks to his “relentless curiosity and honesty.” As it turns out, Cooper’s curiosity and honesty have led him to some rather scandalous opinions on the Second World War, which he correctly described as “the founding mythology of the order that we’re all living in.” You can say what you want about other historical events, but to deviate from the accepted narrative on this one is to violate some serious taboos. And one way to ensure a topic remains poorly understood is to slather it with taboos.

I mean, again, like a historical event like World War two, where I mean, the one rule is that you shall not do that. You shall not look at this topic and try to understand how the Germans saw the world. Like how the whole thing, from the First World War on up to the very end of the war, how these people might have genuinely felt like they were the ones under attack. That they were the ones being victimized by their neighbors and by all these, by the Allied powers. You know, and you can handle that with a sentence, you know, you can wave it off and say, well, you know, they’re justifying themselves, their rationalizing their evil, or whatever you want to say. But again, I think we’re getting to the point where that’s very unsatisfying . . .

So Cooper wishes to understand the German perspective regarding the war. That in and of itself is not terribly scandalous. Then again, never once did he say that the German perspective was necessarily correct or moral. He understands that there are layers upon layers here—nothing one can uncover in a two-hour podcast. But like a good historian, he also knows that demonizing one side of a conflict isn’t right.

And so if you start talking about the interwar period and how Weimar, the Weimar culture, you know, after the First World War led to something like, the rise of the National Socialists and why the people who embraced that movement did embrace it. . . . You know, you had this country, Germany, a sophisticated cultural super power. That was fine. And then they all turned into demons for a few years, and now they’re fine again. Like, that’s sort of the official story. And I think deep down, we all know that makes no sense.

If he refuses to demonize the German people, that’s one thing. But at least Cooper has the sense to demonize Adolf Hitler, right? Well, not so fast:

Churchill was the chief villain of the Second World War. Now, he didn’t kill the most people. He didn’t commit the most atrocities[…] I think when you really get into it and tell the story right and don’t leave anything out, you see that he was primarily responsible for that war becoming what it did, becoming something other than an invasion of Poland.

Cooper argues further that Hitler, after achieving victory over Poland, fired off peace proposals to France and England, begging them to rescind their war declaration. Hitler even flew planes over England to drop leaflets expressing Germany’s desire for peace. According to messages like these, Hitler not only wanted peace, he wanted England to remain strong—with all of its colonies intact—in order to thwart the great communist menace in the Soviet Union. All sadly fell on deaf ears.

The reason I resent Churchill so much for it is that he kept this war going when he had no way, he had no way to go back and fight this war. All he had were bombers. He was literally, by 1940, sending firebomb fleets, sending bomber fleets to go firebomb the Black Forest. Just to burn down sections of the Black Forest. Just rank terrorism, you know […] What eventually became the carpet bombing, the saturation bombing of civilian neighborhoods […] the purpose of which was to kill as many civilians as possible. And all the men were out in the field. All the fighting age men were out in the field. And so this is old people. It’s women and children. And they knew that.

Sort of like how the Allies starved 850,000 Germans—old people and children, mostly—during their naval blockade at the end of the First World War. Of course, the Germans remembered that. Of course, they would scoff at any Allied notions of human rights after that. One thing that Cooper does not mention however was that Churchill had been egged on by none other than President Franklin Delano Roosevelt in Washington. FDR had desperately wanted war with Germany and had pressured Churchill’s predecessor Neville Chamberlain during the late 1930s into provoking one—as it turned out, by propping up Poland with a “blank check.” According to Robert Stinnett in Day of Deceit FDR had goaded Japan into war for this very reason due to Japan’s alliance with Germany. And those long-range heavy bombers which Cooper mentions? They were manufactured for the very purpose of bombing German civilians by the supposed appeaser Chamberlain throughout 1938 and 1939. …