Tuukka Kuru interviews Dr. Tom Sunic

1. Greetings, Tom! How are you and your family doing?

We are exercising the art of psychic survival amidst our troubled times. Having survived the fraud of communism, there is no reason we cannot survive the deception of liberalism.

2. You have actively followed Trump’s second term and carefully assessed its impact on global politics. Was Trump’s re-election just an isolated event, or a sign of a larger cultural shift?

With or without Trump, the cultural-political shift was already in motion long before Trump’s arrival at the White House. President Trump’s contribution lies in his unintentional effort to preserve the Liberal System through illiberal policies that challenge the international order established by the United States and the Soviet Union in 1945. Though few are willing to acknowledge it, the liberal capitalist system has exhausted its potential and has become dysfunctional. Trump’s protectionist measures align with what sociologists call the paradox of unintended consequences, where actions yield unexpected and often contrary results.

3. The rift between the United States and the EU is a situation that nationalists did not foresee. How do you see this rift changes the EU’s ideology in the near future? Will the European Union become a more authoritarian actor?

The European Union is not, has never been, and will never be a political actor. It was designed solely as a monetary transfer mechanism and a tariff-free zone. Its existence owes much to American post-World War II influence in Europe, embodied by figures like Maurice Schumann and Jean Monnet. The EU’s original purpose was twofold: to serve as a bulwark against the Soviet Union and to prevent Germany from emerging as a unifying force for other European nations. This presents an intriguing paradox where President Trump deserves recognition—he correctly sees that propping up this fragile, artificial construct is no longer worth the trouble. Despite the witch hunts against free thinkers, orchestrated or tolerated by zealous EU commissioners and local prosecutors in member states, the dream to transform the EU into an authoritarian surveillance state remains unfeasible. There is no such thing as a ”European nation,” just as there are no true ”European nationalists.” Too many dissenting voices fracture the Brussels-based oligarchy, while rifts persist among the more than thirty nationalist parties and movements across Europe—often at odds with one another. The EU’s engagement in Ukraine exemplifies this discord, revealing divisions both among Brussels elites and between nationalists in individual member states.

4. The reduction of the United States’ military presence and the ongoing war in Ukraine have increased the need for Europe’s independent defense. However, the rearmament of many European states has proven to be extremely challenging. Could Europe ever become a credible military superpower?

Europe has never been a credible, unified military power. This follows up on your earlier questions and my previous response. Let’s abandon the self-deluding myth of a common European homeland. For over three millennia, Europeans have waged civil wars —from the mythical  Trojan War to the thirty years-long Peloponnesian War, from the Thirty Years’ War in the 17th-century to the catastrophic thirty year stretch from the First to the Second World War. Name a single European nation-state that hasn’t clashed with its neighbor. Take Finland, locked historically in recurring struggles with Russia, or the brutal recent conflict between Serbs and Croats. Today, we see Russia and Ukraine—two European nations—tearing each other apart. It’s time we stop fooling ourselves with the notion of “common European homeland”.

5. International cooperation has always been a tough pill for nationalist movements to swallow. How should European states organize themselves – as a centralized “Fortress Europe” or as independent nation-states with minimal interaction with each other?

With over 40 million non-Europeans residing in the EU, the notion of a “Fortress Europe” sounds bizarre. Furthermore, the era of the nation-state is over, as European nationalists across the board have consistently demonstrated a drive  for self-destruction. What is needed now is a revival of the concept of empire, or the Reich. In hindsight, the Holy Roman Empire (often referred to as the Reich) and the Habsburg Empire appear to have possessed greater durability—and thus legitimacy—than the current EU construct. A case could be made for resurrecting the decentralized model of the Holy Roman Empire, which stood in stark contrast to the centralized, proto-Jacobin structure of France or the sprawling overseas empire of Britain. Today, the British and French are grappling with ugly consequences of their earlier globalist and messianic ambitions, which uprooted their societies in pursuit of multiracial  and universalist goals.

6. You wrote the book Homo Americanus, in which you sharply analyze the American psyche. Are the European and American ways of understanding the world fundamentally irreconcilable? What are the biggest differences between these worldviews?

Homo americanus emerged as the American mirror image of  the Soviet Homo sovieticus. Both sprang from the same ideological root: an egalitarian, progress-driven vision of the glorious future. Yet, by the late 1980s, Homo sovieticus disappeared precisely because its twin brother, Homo americanus, proved to be more adept at realizing those same Soviet communist principles in America and Western Europe. Over the past half-century, utopian ideals, such as multiculturalism, DEI, wokeness contained the messages already well tested in former communist Eastern Europe and Russia, where they had yielded catastrophic results. President Trump recognizes that these communistic policies, championed by Homo americanus, threaten to hasten America’s decline. This awareness drives his shifting course: he rejects these liberal, quasi-communist agendas while simultaneously trying to preserve the broader Liberal System.

7. The war in Ukraine has been ongoing for over three years, with hundreds of thousands of men fallen on both sides of the front. A war between two states with very low fertility rates is a historical anomaly. How do you think these warring nations will recover after a potential peace?

The origins of the war Russian-Ukrainian war remain underexplored in the Western mainstream media. The role of U.S. neoconservatives in the former Obama and Biden administrations deserves scrutiny, particularly their interest in leveraging Ukraine as a strategic foothold to undermine the Russian Federation. Even if a peace treaty between Russia and Ukraine were signed tomorrow, the conflict’s aftermath would be far from resolved. Deep-seated resentments between the two sides will prove challenging to mend, ensuring a lingering bitterness.

8. Currently, more children are annually born in Nigeria alone than in all of Europe combined. How do you think Europe’s fertility rates will develop in the future – will the current era of low fertility be a historical misstep, or become a permanent state? Is the racial extinction of Europeans a real threat?

Since 1945, Europe has embraced the politics of multiracialism, often cloaked under the euphemism of multiculturalism. One of the liberal-communist strategies to subdue and pacify European populations was the importation of cheap labor from Africa and Asia. This policy has given rise to a consumerist mindset of  ”dictatorship of well-being”—a misguided belief among many Europeans that history can have its conclusion, and that by refusing to identify an external enemy, perpetual peace will automatically  emerge. This flawed, unpolitical notion of politics will have dire consequences for all Europeans.

9. The worldviews of young men and women have sharply diverged — surveys in Finland, for example, show that the so-called “woke” phenomenon is highly genderized, with its values rarely gaining support among young men. What do you think is causing this gender divide, where did it originate, and how could these increasingly estranged young men and women be brought back together?

The woke phenomenon and the rise of academic self-censorship align fully with my earlier statements and my numerous writings on the communist roots of transgenderism, multiracialism, and their various crypto-communist derivatives we are observing now in Europe. The much-touted mystique of liberalism and democracy is unraveling because it defies the laws of nature. The modern Liberal System built on freedom and nation-suppressing edicts is nearing its collapse. Just as the communist experiment, in order to survive, morphed into its liberal Double, this very same liberal ”Double” is now facing its own demise.

10. The theme of our upcoming conference is “The Rising Tide of Color.” Last time, you gave an interesting speech about the coercive measures applied by the liberal system. What will be the topic of your upcoming presentation?

The upcoming conference takes its title from Lothrop Stoddard’s book. Likewise, a century ago, German historian Oswald Spengler also foresaw ”the revolution of the colored people” (Die Revolution der Farbigen). In my presentation, I will survey  the process of racial decline in ancient Greece and Rome, with a focus on the hereditary curse among some mythical and historical figures. As modern behavioral geneticists have argued, addressing future challenges requires integrating the social sciences with the natural sciences.

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