What Ron Unz Gets Wrong (and Right) About the Weak Claim Paradox
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Earlier this month, The Occidental Observer published an essay of mine entitled “The Lesser of Two Evils,” which attempted to split the difference between the two main ways White identitarians today view Nazism. The main proponents of each side were Joel Davis and Keith Woods. As I wrote at the time:
Davis, an Australian nationalist, finds that rehabilitating Adolf Hitler and National Socialism is crucial for today’s White Nationalism, while Woods, who is from Ireland, feels that the various stripes of White Nationalism do not need either to thrive. It was a fascinating and civil metapolitical exchange, and it greatly benefited the Right. In effect, the men differ on how to counter the prevailing Jewish narrative which claims that A) Hitler and the Nazis were a uniquely odious evil, and B) anyone who professes beliefs even remotely close to Hitler’s is potentially genocidal and should be suppressed.
As a compromise I suggested presenting a pro-White counter-narrative which situates the Nazis as preferrable to (and less evil than) the Bolsheviks, thus insulating today’s Whites from the Nazi stigma. Since by 1939 the Soviets had killed far more people than the Nazis had, and since the Allies sided with the Soviets despite this, the Allies were clearly not on the moral side of the conflict. Thus, anyone today willing to smear someone as a Nazi but not as a Bolshevik must be held as morally suspect—just as the western Allies were morally suspect for siding with the greater of two evils during the war. Further, such a person becomes vulnerable to the Bolshevik counter smear.
This, in a nutshell, is my Weak Claim Paradox. The further in time we get from a transformative event, such as the Second World War, the weaker our claims must be in order to reverse the effects of that event. Both Davis and Woods make strong claims: Nazi good or Nazi bad. Of course, there is truth on each side, and both men deserve credit for being honest and brave enough to make such claims. But neither approach will be terribly effective in reversing the effects of the Second World War since Davis’ approach will meet too much resistance from the prevailing narrative, and Woods’ approach cedes too much ground to it. Nearly a century after the fact, only weak claims are dynamic enough to begin to turn back the slow tide of history.
Today’s White identitarians should defend themselves by claiming that while the Nazis were extremists who did evil things during the war, they were reacting to greater extremists, the Bolsheviks, who did worse things during peacetime and during wartime. This tack puts the prevailing narrative on the defensive and appeals to the moral core of those not yet invested in this debate—all while not directly contradicting the prevailing narrative, which most people by now have internalized.
Shortly after being published, my essay was picked up by the Unz Review where it received over 220 comments, one of the first being from Ron Unz himself. He found fault with my analysis on historical grounds, stating:
Well, the Soviets waited a week or two to invade Poland, and claimed they were doing so to help the Poles.
But the more important failing in your analysis is that within a few months the British and French were planning a major attack against the USSR, hoping to overthrow Stalin’s regime.
As one British elected official remarked, “One has the impression that France is at war with Russia and merely on very unfriendly terms with Germany.”
The only reason you’re not aware of that fact is because virtually all Western historians have spent the last 75 years concealing it from their populations:
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/
According to Unz, my understanding of the facts was incomplete. In what has unfortunately become a side note of history, the English and French in early 1940 did seem to have serious plans to bomb Soviet oil fields in Baku, thus undermining my claim that the Allies had willingly sided with the greater of two evils during the Second World War. Seemingly, they were as anti-Soviet as they were anti-Nazi. I then read the linked essay and found it to be typical Unz: thoughtful, measured, informative, and fearless.
All great stuff, but is it the silver dagger Unz says it is?
From a historical standpoint, I don’t know. As Unz himself states:
The French and British high commands had prepared their enormous bomber offensive, Operation Pike, in hopes of destroying Russia’s oil resources, and their unmarked reconnaissance flights had already overflown Baku, photographing the locations of the intended targets. The Allies were convinced that the best strategy for defeating Germany was to eliminate its sources of oil and other vital raw materials, and with Russia being Hitler’s leading supplier, they decided that destroying the Soviet oil fields seemed a logical strategy.
So it seems that the French and British may have seen the Nazis as the greater evil because they contemplated bombing the Soviet Union not so much for its own sake but as a means to defeat Germany. This is not to say that the British and French lacked anti-Bolshevik feelings. Judging from their deeds and this snippet of information, however, one could reasonably conclude that they did have greater animus against the Nazis.
Now, whether or not this is in fact true, I don’t know. Nor do I wish to engage in debate with a historian who claims that it isn’t. I simply have not read enough history to opine further. I think Unz’s mistake was to give me just a little too much credit in this regard. I never intended to offer a definitive historical analysis in my essay. Instead, I was offering an alternative interpretation of history which would allow White identitarians to punch back more effectively against the prevailing anti-White cultural narrative—which relies heavily on demonizing Nazis but not Bolsheviks. Whether or not this interpretation is 100 percent correct is less important than whether or not the counter-narrative it engenders is effective. Thus, while Unz and the majority of the essay’s commenters were concerned with historical truth (and good for them), I was more concerned about tactics in the present-day culture wars.
So does this open the door for dishonesty? Does this amount to an abuse of history? Rather than answering these questions yes or no, I think the more appropriate response would be to ask whether the prevailing anti-Nazi narrative also amounts to dishonesty and abuse. If so, then we must ask which narrative is more dishonest and abusive. Actually, let’s do that now. Which narrative, dear reader, do you think is more dishonest and abusive?
Prevailing Narrative: The Nazis declared war against humanity and murdered 6 million Jews because of evil.
Counter Narrative: The Nazis at their worst were not as murderous or destructive as the Bolsheviks at their worst.
A cursory meta-analysis of some of Ron Unz’s writing at the Unz Review reveals that factors other than strict historical accuracy do contribute to a particular narrative’s effectiveness. Case in point would be how he has admirably written thousands of words casting doubt on the prevailing narrative surrounding the Jewish Holocaust. According to Unz, this narrative is at the very least questionable—yet, as we all know, it remains highly effective.
It is very possible that an interpretation of history can be incomplete (intentionally or not) and still make for an effective narrative. Therefore, digging through history for episodes that refute the pithy seamlessness of a narrative is beside the point—as long the there aren’t too many of such episodes. And in the case of the weak lesser-of-two-evils claim, I don’t think there are. This is not to say there is nothing in history that undermines this claim—Operation Pike might very well be one that does. This is also not to say that there is no truth behind the prevailing narrative. Of course, there is. But if one side can get beyond 50 percent of the truth, it does not deserve to be oppressed by the other side, which by necessity possesses less. And I believe the weak lesser-of-two-evils claim takes us above 50 percent.
I think Mr. Unz understands this because at the end of his essay “How Hitler Saved the Allies” he writes the following:
It might not be entirely correct to claim that the story of World War II was that Franklin Roosevelt sought to escape his domestic difficulties by orchestrating a major European war against the prosperous, peace-loving Nazi Germany of Adolf Hitler. But I do think that picture is probably somewhat closer to the actual historical reality than the inverted image more commonly found in our textbooks.
This is the weak claim that I have been making all along. The Nazis were indeed the lesser of two evils. And if pro-White leaders and influencers like Joel Davis and Keith Woods can not only agree upon this weak claim, but lead with it, I believe they will find greater success in turning back the tide of history.
WW2 finished 80 years ago with Hitler’s belated suicide. The chief victor Stalin died 8 years later. The rights and wrongs of National Socialism, including its particular brand of antisemitism, are academic matters that belong to the past, but provide a warning against fatal pitfalls in the future. The conclusive case against race replacement is independent of “Holocaust” fact or fiction, and the “anti-fa” smear that “palingenesis entails mass-murder” is as false as it is irrelevant.
Getting white patriots to waste time quarrelling about the NS record ONLY HELPS OUR ENEMIES.
@Emma Smith
“The rights and wrongs of National Socialism, including its particular brand of antisemitism, are academic matters that belong to the past, but provide a warning against fatal pitfalls in the future.”
Not just pitfalls; also positive lessons about how to revive and run an economy under siege from international Finance.
And yet- as the real problem is jewish power- the ‘holocaust’ myth, like all weapons of jewish power, must be destroyed.
It is absurd to call Hitler the ‘less bad’ option. He was a hero. If one wanted a ‘less bad’ man, compared to monsters like Churchill and Roosevelt and their jew puppeteers, one could find that in Stalin, who at least started to recognize the danger of the jews before they murdered him.
I totally agree. I have completely stopped reading unz because for the last year it’s been nothing but Hitler and nazis good Poles and other Slavs destroyed between the clash between Soviets and German Nash’s bad. He’s really fine off the deep end with is admiration for Hitler. Hurlers social and economic programs 1933 to 1938 were admirable But they were nothing unique. Many of the pre unification independent German states instituted socialism after the revolutions of 1848. The populist and socialist parties if America advocated those programs in the Late 19the century Hitler’s programs were nothing more than a copy of the socialist programs imposed by Mussolini in the 1920s. Roosevelt and Blum PM of France instituted the same programs in the 1930s. So did Canada Australia Mexico and Argentina in the early mid 20th century. The unz articles of the last year claim those full employment welfare children’s health education and sports programs were something unique in the world. They were not. One very concerning expressed in the articles and comments is absolute loathing and disdain for Poland and its people. Similiar to Nazi Germany’s hatred of Poles and Slavs.
Last but not least, Hitler lost the war and gave 11 European nations to Soviet Russia. And made it possible fir communist revolutionaries to make great strides in Western Europe America Cuba Canada and Latin America
One of Hitler’s chief aides Martin Bormann worked for the Soviets starting 1940. An excellent theory is that Hitler and Stalin made an agreement in the late 1930s to go to war. For a couple years and then divide continental Europe between Russian Soviet and German Nazi occupied zones., I noticed Ron unz has attracted many unhinged haters of Catholic Poland and extreme admirers of Hitler and his Nazis in the last six months.
Face it Ron unz and your writers and followers. Hitler lost. And gave half of Europe to communism And created an anti Nazi grateful to Russia and communism effect that caused 90 years of problems for western Christian European White civilization.
Hitler came into power in 1934 91 years ago. Was in power for 9 years until April 1945. A mere blip in modern history 9 years lost a disastrous war that killed tens of millions of Whites. And made Soviet and Jew communism more powerful than when Hitler became chancellor. And he and his Nazi party were not elected either as Ron Unz’s ignorant commenters and authors claim. Germany had a standard parliamentary system in 1933. No election of chancellor or head of state. There’s also Unz’s complete alliance with Islam. Which is far more detrimental to White European Western civilization than Jewish communism and anti White activism.
Hitler didn’t give the communists 11 European countries- Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower did, by sabotaging General Patton by rationing his gas and ordering him to slow up in his advance. Without theses artificial impediments Patton would have taken Berlin before the Soviets- and a large part of Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia too!
There are a million more important, more relevant matters than “Hitler Good vs Hitler Bad.” Win the war you’re fighting today, and you can rewrite the history of yesterday all you want.
Good job, sir. May I suggest that you expand your topic while magnifying the Zionist involvement with and creation of the Bloody Bolsheviks. Then, publish a Book.
Cherchez Le Juif.
Which were worse-the German Nazis or or the Russian Bolsheviks? Who killed the most? Obviously the Russian Bolsheviks, mostly Jewish Bolsheviks in the Cheka-cf. ” The Myth of German Villainy” by Benton Bradberry. Stalin even murdered his own troops for the great crime of allowing themselves to be captured as POW’s- he even turned on his own son because he was captured. Remember all of the Russian POW’s Stalin killed after Roosevelt turned them over to Stalin after the war? Who did world Jewry favor before, during and after the War?- Russia, of course. Joe McCarthy never used the “J” word but enraged Jews worldwide in the 50’s by using “Communists” as a synonym for Jews- the Jews knew that almost all Jews were Communists, or had Communist leanings, although most America gentiles didn’t make this connection, but the Jews of Hollywood sure did! Even today Jews vote almost 80% Democrat in every presidential election. That is why Britain and the US sided with Russia and not Germany- Both America’s and Britain’s governments were sold out lock, stock and barrel to the Jews by the end of WW1- there’s your answer in a nutshell. General Patton of the US Army said America’s great mistake in WW2 was siding with the Communists to fight the Fascists rather than siding with the Fascists to fight the Communists. He planned on running for President in 1948 on that platform- that’s why Eisenhower(who was known as “the Terrible Swedish Jew” by his classmates at West Point)and the Jews in Truman’s administration had Patton assassinated before he could get back to the US!
Defending the Nazis as the lesser evil is a useless exercise in today’s social and political climate because of Jewish influence and the media. However, one can say that more than 100 million people died due to war and repression in the previous century, but one only hears about the 6 million Jews. I grieve for every Russian and German, be it soldier or civilian, who perished.
In the German-speaking gay scene, “He’s a sister” means “He’s one of us”. This is usually noted when the sister has not yet had her “coming out” and is trying to disguise himself in public, but the unerring instinct of the fellow co-sisters cannot be fooled. They have fine antennae for their peers, even if the crypto-homo doesn’t wiggle his butt in a “provocative” manner. Alternatively, you can call them a “warm brother”, or “he’s the other way around” or “he’s from the other river side”. There are countless funny characterizations of this “species”. Mr. Johnson repeatedly uses the phrase, he “poo-pooes not back”, whatever that means in the “scene”.
He does, however, dump a full load of feces on Mike Enoch and Joe Jordan. Mr. Johnson and his guest, in their typical intellectual vanity, are convinced of the stupidity and wrongheadedness of all the “ziggers” and “nordicists” they disdain. Almost the entire “show” actually consists of condescending slander, as you would expect from the gossip columns or “clubs” of the LGBTQ scene, and which betrays a great inner insecurity about one’s own position or a veritable inferiority complex. In all seriousness, their fanboyz paid over a 1k dollars for this on Odysee alone, and probably as much again on other streams at the same time.
https://rumble.com/v6sc1u5-martinez-and-johnson-demolish-the-lies-of-ziggerism.html
https://t.me/nazbertperspective/4352
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handkerchief_code
The Nazis were not evil, not a lesser evil, not evil at all. The Nazis were simply fighting against a Bolshevik jewish takeover and they had every right to defend their country. Given that Bolsheviks are CRAZY (and still crazy today) there is no reason to criticize the Nazis for what they did. The Nazis were simply fighting fire with fire by imitating the cohesive group strategies of the jews themselves….ingroup preference…..outgroup hostility…..genetic purity.
No….alleging that well the Nazis were bad but the Bolsheviks were worse isn’t a good argument nor is it accurate and fair. The Germans were fighting against an evil marxist regime that had already slaughtered millions in Russia! So, clearly, the Nazis were HEROES in every sense of the word.
The Allies were completely controlled by jews as they are today. Only the “Nazis” would have freed us from this.
The problem is this: the Germans were not just fighting Jews because of an alien presence and objectional activities in Europe and the USA, because Hitler took antisemitism to the stage of totally eliminating a presumed global enemy on “racial” grounds, i.e. a form of pest-control shifted to the human theatre.
Why did he make a pact with Stalin if Jews were still in control of the USSR – let’s have a few answers from Wallace Henry and others.
The Allies didn’t really become pro-Soviet until Operation Barbarossa began. Stalin wanted to conquer France and Britain, too, not just Eastern Europe.
He wanted France, Britain and Germany to fight each other to total exhaustion and then he kick in the front door and take over Europe for Communism. That didn’t happen because France fell in six weeks and Germany didn’t invade Britain.
Yes the Soviet Russian Jews were far worse and lasted much longer than the 11 years of the Nazi Germans. But the German Nazi party that cane into power 92 years ago and lasted less than 12 years is a ludicrous base for White nationalism and solidarity. Especially as Hitler waged war against the White people’s of Europe.
Whites need to drop all the conservative nonsense. And form political parties exclusively devoted to White Nationalism. First goal must be getting rid of affirmative action for non Whites. Europe has those programs too. Ron unz is very anti White in hiring college admissions and granting business permits. Ron Unz advocates for preference for Asians in tech and medical jobs and Hispanics in all other occupations. Unz thinks it’s a positive good that his home neighborhood Silicon Valley hires only Asian and Indian immigrants. He thinks it’s a positive good that the medical professions and jobs and admission to medical schools is increasingly affirmative action for Asians Indians and Phillipinos., does anyone think Ron Unz’s great hero Hitler would have replaced White German scientists Drs Nurses and other workers with Indians and Asians?
Read Unz.com and its archives. Ron may be pro Hitler but he is as anti White American as any progressive democrat. He’s totally into race replacement of White Americans by Asians Indians Hispanics and Pacific Islanders .
Hitler was not pro White. He was pro German. That’s all. He was anti every other European nationality and ethnicity other than German. Hitler was White. Germans are White. But his Nazi movement was not pro White.
Yes Hitler murdered far fewer Whites in his 12 years in power than the Soviets and the world wide communists did in their more than 100 years in power which is still ongoing. Now relabeled progressive.
But a 92 year old failed specifically German political party is the weakest and most idiotic flag to rally Whites of all nations around. Ron unz has great pretensions . But his position the Nazis were a lesser evil than communists was first promoted by the popes of the 1930s and 40s. Pope’s position was that communists worse than Nazi Germany because Communists were global and multi racial. Whereas Nazis were specifically German.
We White Americans should concentrate on saving White Americans today in the 2020s not discussing a 92 year old absolute failure. White Americans have been under a very successful attack by the American government since 1953 beginning with school de segregation then the 1960s affirmative action discrimination against Whites. Then unlimited non White entitled to affirmative action preferences immigration.
And Ron Unz wants to divert Whites from fighting for our and our children’s survival by discussing a 92 year old German failure. Ron unz is very favorable to affirmative action for non Whites. Not affirmative action for blacks. But for any and all non Whites. He and his Website are far far more pro China than pro White Americans
To put it in a nutshell, Hitler was a great peacetime leader but a deficient wartime leader. He had many opportunities to win the war but passed on these because he mistakenly thought of the English as kinsmen of a sort. If he had turned towards Dunkirk in 1940 and captured the British army and their gear, Churchill would have had no army. Hitler could have put these POW’s in major German cities so that Churchill would have had to incinerate his countrymen when he bombed German cities. Hitler was essentially an anticommunist – he wanted to fight Russia but not Britain, France or the US. On the other side was Churchill-a grown man that played with toy soldiers on his bed at night. Churchill was a spendthrift and a wastrel who was owned by the Jews-they were always on hand to bail him out of the financial jams he was always getting himself into. The best thing Hitler could have done was eliminate Churchill- before September of 1939. WW2 was caused by a maniacal warmonger- but that warmonger was Churchill, not Hitler. Hitler was essentially taken out by world Jewry, who pulled all of the strings to make that happen.
Unz.c*m/runz/trump-vs-harvard-in-a-political-wrestling-match/
I am trying my best to be a pure Universal Altruist. I wish no one would ever use the word “Trump” again. He has no ideals, “visions,” no nothing. He is a 100% pure genetic sociopath. The only actions he takes is those that increase his wealth and “power.” Currently, the White House is 100% run by Israel’s Likud Party. Thus, all analysis of current White House actions should be seen from the Likud Party taking actions that best promote the ethnic interests of “Right Wing” Jewish people. I honestly don’t know what motives Mr. Unz. I honestly don’t understand why he created this website. Is it because he actually feels sincere innate Altruism for all “sentient’ beings? I don’t know. He never states his motivations. Does he actually “care”? I don’t know. He has never stated publicly what actually motivates him. Maybe he is just bored. If it’s true that his IQ is in fact the highest of all currently living humans, then he could indeed be quite bored with human behavior. Unz, with his possibly unparalleled IQ, could become even richer than the extreme genetic sociopath Musk. But perhaps Unz, with his super-high IQ, finds living just for money to be very boring. I’ve read research that CEOs have unimpressive IQs, around 120. People with higher IQs find living just to make money to be very boring. Basic point is this: Trump is a Gentile, and thus has no innate “noble” traits. He is a pure “monkey,” a pure “ape,” living just for hedonism and money. He should be treated the same as any genetically degenerate Gentile. Trump, Musk, and every other Gentile elite is the metaphorical equivalent to donkey droppings. Treat them as such when writing articles about them.
Who CARES about Unz’s “real” motives other than those he has expressed?
His website is a unique and useful resource.
Back to “Wolf” and “Joe” – Stalin’s main “holocaust” occurred in peacetime before WW2. See e.g. J. Otto Pohl, “Ethnic Cleansing in the USSR” (1999).
At the outset of WW2 Germany invaded one country and got a world war, Russia invaded six and got a trade pact.
Anon who posted April 21 are you like Unz a Jew? Or are you a goy exposing what Jews really think of non Jews? It’s interesting that Hitler who killed millions of Whites and essentially gave the Soviets half of Europe is the only goy Ron Unz has ever praised. Not Mussolini from whose facist economy Hitler entirely copied to great success. Not the postWW2 European socialist and labor parties who copied Hitlers successful economics. Just Hitler, one of the greatest losers of the modern era. Unz focuses in what loser Hitler did almost 100 years rather than the genocide facing White Americans. Then there’s the full fledged Trump Derangement Syndrome on his website. Are his commenters all Harris voters? Had Harris won there would be both accelerated support for Israel And greatly accelerated warfare against White Americans. Trump has not accelerated support for Israel, just let it remain. And Trump is the first president in my long life time who has not been actively anti White in terms of desegregation affirmative action groveling acceptance of black on White crime and race replacement of Whites. Yet Unz.com is worse than MSNBC and other radical anti White left media about Trump. If Hitler was the lesser of two evils in the 1940s Trump is the lesser if two evils for White Americans in the 2025.
Very philosophically astute article, working out a position more plausible–and useful to us–than the two opposing views. This is one to keep and study.
This might be a good time to introduce the matter of Henry Makow’s ideas. He appears at times to be convincing, yet maybe he is just a manipulative blowhard with an agenda, that agenda being NAXALT regarding his people – whom he presents as good, decent folks in the same boat as us and must be seen as different from the “illuminati banksters” who are apparently running the whole planet-wide show of destruction.
Makow doesn’t write only on this topic at his voluminous site but discusses spiritual matters, as well, etc. Somehow I’m having trouble being decisive on his viewpoints. Is it just me or am I a major-level sap.
https://henrymakow.com/2025/04/patrick-ocarroll—hitler-was-.html
https://henrymakow.com/2025/04/david-livingstone—zionism-na.html
Two tiny examples. There is much, much more on his site in this vein, as in terabytes more.
Makov’s aim is a distortion field, I read his site for light entertainment at times. It is a mix of lies and truth, or half truths.
Being a lurker, I read Spencer’s article when first posted here. Thought it good.
Did a little ‘net research.
The difference between Joel Davis and Keith Woods isn’t entirely ideological, Woods (if that is his real name), somehow manages to be allowed to write in Eire of now, which is very much a doctrinaire EU satrapy. Good for him if he isn’t persecuted for it.
Joel Davis has been incarcerated for many months now, on spurious charges, not exactly called a prison, rather a holding cell, but it is a prison, and the charges are nonsensical, pure tyranny.
Davis is a political prisoner, whatever they call pre-trial detention there, I don’t know, but it is reality, and he did nothing to deserve it, it seems the police of the state where he lives were instructed to arrest him and others on nonsensical grounds.
Many fine ..some absolutely magnificent. comments here..we think similarly to most commenters here but at the end of the day…Hitler was reactive against Rothschild .the Controligarch Jew Bankster fraudsters allied under Rothschild. and reprobate.vile judeao bolshevism and odious onerous obvious deleterious JEWISH Power and influence .He did some absolutely sterling things in Germany that all erudite Europeans and many Americans at the time…recognized. 2025 is unraveling violently under the anti white jewdeviltry ..that is also quite obvious in Trump’s administration. We just so happened to have heard fabulous Mark Colletts interview with Joel Davis and though there are certain likeable…clear insights from Mr Davis it is quite obvious that Uncle Adolph is not the perfect exemplar for ..gen z .and the disenfranchised confused ….dysphoric millennials .”,..that sad to say..leaves the world in a do or die reactive crunch..
.we never saw the absolute need for ron unz s ugly Jewish viewpoint..fact is The Jews need Hitler to continue monetizing their ever expanding holocaustianity scams….. New Holocaust museums…mindlessly expensive ..memorial edifices .but….staffed by plenty of leftwingnut black communists “. Horrifying..unrepresented use of tax dollars in any..case but there it is….therr you have it “.Hair splitting points about Hitler 91 years ago has no absolute relevance to young folks coming up with less than an old ashtray to look forward to… thanks to THE JEWS ripping off expropriating..perverting..subverting.. degenerating adulterating poisoning every natural energy source of life….*. Great article from TOO.