“YOU’RE The Evil Monster!” Mohammad Marandi vs Alan Dershowitz on Iran — Plus Netanyahu Spokesman. Youtube, July 30, 2026.

[ED. This is an AI Transcript, edited as best I could for readability without losing what they are meaning to say. This was a very heated debate, so much that was said was ungrammatical and repetitive.]

[start at 22;00] Okay, Professor Marandi,

Marandi: is it my turn? because for the last half hour you’ve been busy with the spokesman for genocide and Epstein’s buddy who used to go to Rape Island, a person who frequented Rape Island, I think anything that he says is nonsense and I listen to him I listen to him but he’s a lawyer yet he cannot tolerate the words of Alma (?_. That’s how weak his argument is. Now, of course, someone who supports the genocidal regime of Israel would say this sort of nonsense. And of course we recall how the South African government in its ICJ complaint showed genocidal intent by the Israeli regime including the Israeli prime minister whose spokesman you brought on and had this little love fest before this discussion and you know what you don’t have to keep making

Dershowitz: Professor Marandi Professor just to be clear it wasn’t a lovefest. I made some tough statements. I treated him with the same respect I try and treat you until you inevitably — you always invariably go ad hominem on people. Try not to go ad hominum stop with the silly digs stick to the proper debate we’re having and viewers may learn something. Force yourself to let the viewers.  Piers I know where you stand Piers I saw your previous interview with Barak I saw it with his spokesman. We know where you stand.

Marandi: So that’s not really important. But the point is that where do you think where do you think you stand? You stand with the genocidal regime. I once asked you three times in a row, do you consider an ethnosupremacist regime to be legitimate? And you refuse to answer. And the tone of your language, the fact that you’re not the fact that I’m not allowed to speak. Hang on, just to be clear I want to get back to the debate in a moment but just to be clear I have repeatedly asked you in our numerous interviews and I platform you regularly something you always try and diminish in terms of its significance but I do and I’ve always asked you to tell me one critical thing about your own regime and you always fail which is very telling so let’s just park that to one side let’s get back to the debate

Marandi: My regime is infinitely superior to your genocidal regime that helped the Israeli regime in the genocide. My regime, as you’d like to call it, your guest doesn’t want me to speak. Obviously, my regime did not pull the plugs on little infants in the in the in the hospital in the premature babies in the Al-Nassar hospital. pull the plug on those premature babies and let them die. My regime didn’t do that. The regime that you support did that. But getting back to the topic, the reality is that chemical weapons were used on our country with the support of your government. I survived two chemical attacks. And then your guest has the audacity to say that Iran would use weapons of mass destruction during the Iran-Iraq war. The state, the leader refused to produce chemical weapons even though the military politicians asked him. He said, “No, it’s immoral.” So, we had to suffer your chemical weapons and your governments prevented our government from even purchasing gas masks. My gas mask was bought on the black market. It was North Korean. So don’t talk about weapons of mass destruction to me when my friends have died because of your chemical weapons. Your regime is the regime that has used nuclear weapons twice and your genocidal ally the apartheid regime the illegitimate regime where 46 I think 44% of Jew young Jews below the age of 35 in the United States believe that Jews and Palestinians have to live together in one state with equal rights.

Marandi: That is exactly the Iranian policy. So despite your propaganda, despite your nonsense, despite the lies that you promote, people are waking up. Jews in the United States are waking up. Christians, Muslims, people from all walks of life are seeing who’s carrying out carrying out a holocaust in Gaza. You know, Ronald Reagan, when this genocidal regime in 1982 invaded Lebanon, he called it a holocaust. This is far worse than the Holocaust of 1982. But you refuse to acknowledge this genocide. Whereas the population in Gaza has collapsed. It’s not 70 or 80,000 people have died as a result of this war. Hundreds of thousands have died. The population has collapsed. People are dying every day, not just because the kids are being bombed or being sniped because they’re dying of illnesses and a lack of medicine that this filthy regime is imposing on the people, on the kids of Gaza. But you want to look away and antagonize the Iranian people or the Palestinians or Hezbollah or whoever else it is that you’d like to antagonize so that they can get away with this. But you will not be able to do so because people are waking up.

Morgan: We need to get Alan to respond. Okay, Alan hang on one second before you before you give a response to what you’ve just heard, I just want to stress again that Israel has never been more unpopular globally and not least in the United States where 50% nearly of Americans said they would like to see Netanyahu arrested for war crimes where two-thirds of Americans have a negative view of Israel. You know, my view of this is that Israel’s current government is populated with people like Ben-Gvir and Smotrich, these other guys who are complete psychopaths and that the activities that they are promoting in for example the West Bank at the moment and so on are making Israel a global pariah. Does that not concern you?

Deshowitz:  Of course it does. And I’m not at all a supporter of Ben-Gvir. I’m not a supporter of Smotrich. I am a supporter of the nation state of the Jewish people. I am a proud Zionist. Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. Israel is the only non-colonialist state in the Middle East. All the other states were established by colonialist regimes after the First World War. Israel fought against colonialism and self-determination. I am not here to support everything Israel does. I wouldn’t vote for Ben-Gvir. I wouldn’t vote for Smotrich. I have to tell you that if in 1935 Winston Churchill had been the prime minister of England and he had gone into Germany and attacked them, he would be the most unpopular person in the world. It’s very unpopular to engage in preventive wars because you don’t know what you’re preventing. History is blind and deaf to the future. You only know what you’re doing now. And so it takes enormous courage. courage of the kind that not only Winston Churchill had but that Benjamin Netanyahu has had, that Ronald Reagan has had, that George Washington had back in the day. It takes tremendous courage to get involved in a war that is unpopular. The revolutionary war was unpopular with many many parts of the United States. It was the right war, the Second World War. Nobody wanted to get into it on the basis from the United States. Lindberg was against it. Uh the polls were showing against it. It took enormous courage to take on Adolf Hitler. And you know, I hate to say this, but I think I’m in 1935 and I’m sitting opposite Joseph Goebbels right now and he’s making the propaganda case for the Nazi regime just the way this professor is making the propaganda case for the new Nazi regime, which is the regime of Iran. Will you at least admit, sir, will you at least admit that Iran murdered in cold blood as many as 50,000 innocent protesters? And would you admit, if that’s true, that that comes closer to genocide than anything that Israel has been accused of doing in self-defense after its people were raped, kidnapped, murdered on October 7th, would you at least admit that the Iranian regime has killed many, many, many thousands of people? Yes or no?

Marandi: You know, we are not in 1935. We are not in 1939. We are in 1942. You are the Nazi regime that is carrying out a holocaust in Gaza. You are the Nazi who is doing it as we speak. You’re the evil monster. You say Israel is not a colonial regime. You’re from Eastern Europe. You’re European. All of those Ashkanazi Jews who are now running the country. They’re from Eastern Europe. You came and slaughtered. I’m talking. I didn’t interrupt you as you were ranting. You, the people who you support, the people who are running the country. They’re Polish. They’re Ukrainian. They’re from Czechoslovakia. They’re from Eastern Europe. You’re not Semites. You’re the anti-semite because you’ve been slaughtered. You won’t let me talk. You are afraid. You’re afraid because you know you have no argument. You have no leg to stand on. You slaughtered the Semite Palestinians and you took their land and you support you are a proud Zionist who supports a regime that celebrates the rapists in prison. They rape Palestinians in prison and then they’re celebrated on television. If you don’t let me talk, you’re just exposing yourself. You’re exposing yourself. You’re exposing yourself just as you expose yourself with Epstein. I’m [answering] in response to in response to your nonsense. The nonsense about 50,000 people. Those lies have been responded to by the Iranian people. Stop ranting. I’m speaking. You’re a lawyer. You’re a lawyer. 3,17 [?] people died thanks to an armed insurgency that your regime and the Israeli regime funded and supported. That you’re a coward. You are a coward. You won’t let me talk. You’re afraid. You’re afraid of me talking.

Dershowitz: Don’t tell me I’m afraid.

Marandi: Lawyer, Epstein’s lawyer, Trump’s lawyer, is afraid of me, a lay man talking. Why? Because you have no leg to stand on. The Iranian people have spoken. They went to the streets in the tens of millions. They went, “You’re a coward. You won’t let me talk. I let you talk because I’m not afraid of you.” People are not afraid of you anymore. You can kill Epstein. You can kill whoever you like, but we’re not afraid. You can bomb my house. You can kill me with my family, but I’m not afraid of you. I will support the Palestinian people until your regime bombs my home. So go and tell them that I’m prepared to die for the Palestinian people. But you, you who used to frequent Epstein Island, you have no principles and no morality. The Iranian people came to the streets in the tens of millions. We all know it. The footage is there. The international journalists were there, not just in Iran, but in Iraq. The Iranian people have spoken whose side they are. No one is going to be fooled by your […] propaganda to justify war.

Dershowitz: Well, let’s get this law how many times do you think I was at Jeffrey Epstein’s island? How many times? Say it again so we could get it on tape. How many times?

Marandi: One time is more than enough, but I think you’ve been there five, six times. Saying multiple times. How many times do you think I was there? I think you were there five, six times. Dershowitz: Say, say it again. Five, six times. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, I was his lawyer just the way I was the lawyer for Palestinian What a naive lawyer. No, no, don’t interrupt me. I was the lawyer for Palestinian students who try to hang the flag when Yassar Arafat died. I was the lawyer for Nazis in Skokie, Illinois. I helped represent them. I would even represent you if anybody tried to prevent you. I’m a lawyer. And that’s what lawyers should be proud of. And then I’m going to continue to represent people you don’t like as long as I have the current strength to do it. And you can cite that as an argument against Israel, but it has nothing to do with Israel. It’s just an ad hominem attack on me as a lawyer and on the American legal system. You wouldn’t understand the American legal system because you don’t have yourself regret being his lawyer. So don’t talk nonsense. Say it again.

Marandi: You yourself admitted that you regret being his lawyer. So don’t talk nonsense to me.

Dershowitz: I don’t regret being his lawyer. I’m proud to have been I’m proud to have been President Clinton’s lawyer. I’m proud to have been Ted Kennedy’s lawyer. I’m proud to have been the lawyer for hundreds of indigent people who didn’t have enough money to have a lawyer. And I would be happy to go to Iran and represent the people who can’t get lawyers there who were executed yesterday because they went to demonstrations. You have to say what you’re saying. The two people who were executed yesterday and I’ve tweeted the foot [?]. The two people I’m glad you said this.

Marandi: You are so naive. You’re not a good lawyer. I tweeted this yesterday and I will retweet it after this debate. The two people executed yesterday. They burned four police officers alive and stabbed them; they were executed for that. They were executed because of murdering four police officers. So I will repeat that today. But that’s ex and that by the way what happened during that arm be don’t be afraid. Let me explain. Don’t be afraid if you don’t listen to you. You are the one from the civilized world. You are the proud Zionist, the ethnosopremacist that we should all be listening to. So don’t worry if people hear what I say. Your own Israeli regime, the regime that you love so much self-admitted that they were behind the armed insurgency. Channel 14 of the Israeli regime, which is close to Netanyahu itself said, and I tweeted this and others have too, that the Israeli regime, they helped send in along with Americans, they helped send in the weapons that killed hundreds of police officers during those two days of armed insurgency. Your own regime admits it.

Dershowitz: Your own regime. I hope that’s true. I would like to see the United States and Israel together topple the Iranian regime and replace it by a democratic regime where all people can vote and all people have free speech. I would be happy to participate in any such attempt to try to topple this Nazi regime. That’s what would have happened in 1935 if they had done the right thing. We have a chance now to have peace in the world by toppling the Iranian regime. It won’t happen overnight. It won’t happen quickly, but ultimately the good people of Iran, the good people of Iran will rise up against their evil leaders who kill them in the street and will give them ultimately for the first time real democracy. That’s what we want.

Marandi: So says the genocide supporter, the genocide supporter who’s supporting an ongoing genocide where every day Palestinians are dying every single day as we speak. And Western media won’t tell anyone about it because it’s controlled by the same sort of people who you are aligned to. Those kids who are dying of disease every day, those parents who are dying every day because of a lack of proper food and medicine, you are responsible. And all those Western journalists who’ve been trying to distract public opinion away from it. The only guilt of the Iranian people, the only guilt of the Iranian people and Hezbollah and Yemen is that they say no to genocide. That has been the guilt for 47 years. For decades, your regime has been supporting the apartheid and genocidal regime of Israel and supporting the most brutal regimes across the world in Latin America, in Africa, in our region, and in Asia. But the only time your hostility is towards Iran because Iran says no to ethnosupremacism just like 46% [clears throat] of young Jews in the United States. Iran says no to genocide, no to ethnic cleansing, no to colonization, and that Palestine must be a land where Jews and Christians and Muslims live as equal human beings.

Marandi: Your regime, your Israeli regime, because you’re not loyal to the United States. You’re loyal to the Israeli regime, to the genocidal regime. Your regime bombed during this war. Your regime bombed a synagogue. Your regime bombed a synagogue in Tehran. Why? Because that synagogue was not a Zionist synagogue. You hate Jews. You hate Jews that are not Zionist. You are an anti-semite because you kill Palestinians and you’re from Eastern Europe. You have no right to slaughter and rape and murder.

Morgan: Let me bring Alan back in. All right, let me bring Alan back in. Alan, let’s just talk about the politics of this because you mentioned earlier this could take five years, it could take longer, but there’s a political relevancy to this, which is if Donald Trump was to lose the House and the Senate in the midterm elections, then he becomes a lame duck president and would then be highly likely to precipitate a loss in the general election for the Republicans. And the moment the Democrats get back into power, they’re going to get out of this. So this could all be over regardless of whatever you would like or Donald Trump would like or Netanyahu would like. This could all be over within the next, you know, just two and a bit more years because of the politics of this in America.

Dershowitz: That’s right. Because we have a democracy and we vote for what we want. Iran, on the other hand, which in which only Muslims have rights, in which there’s no free speech, there hasn’t been an election for [snorts] almost forever. They don’t have those rights. Yes, we can overthrow our government. Yes, the Democrats maybe will take control of the House and the Senate. That’s a risk. That’s what happened in Great Britain after Churchill won the Second World War with the United States. He got thrown out of power. Uh voters are fickle. But principled politicians, churchillian politicians do the right thing regardless of what the political implications are and the right thing is to continue to make sure that Iran doesn’t pose a nuclear danger  to the world. Now I want to pursue a little bit more of what our distinguished professor here said. He said Jews control the media.  Jews control the media. Jews and he and he started making other kinds of arguments.

Marandi: You’re a liar. You’re a liar. You’re a lawyer. You’re a lawyer, but you’re a liar. You’re a lawyer, but you openly lie. People are watching Jews. How 46 44% of young Jews in the United States under the age of 35. They don’t believe your nonsense anymore. No one believes you. You bomb the Jewish synagogue in the enemy of you are the I never said you say that. Your audience can judge for themselves. In fact, when you say Iran has no freedom of speech, you host I’ve invited him to come to Iran on multiple occasions to see if there is free speech. When I tell him to read the book Going to Iran, he gets angry because it goes against his narrative. But you speak on behalf of an ethnosupremacist regime and you speak of free speech. Your country is run by oligarchs. Do you think that the people of the United States have free speech when they lose their jobs? When on campus they can’t talk out against the Israeli regime and the brutality of the regime? Don’t talk nonsense. People lose their jobs in your country. Their futures are destroyed when they speak truth to power.

Morgan: But let me ask you, Professor Mirandi, let me ask you. Look, I presume there is one thing you would both agree on, which you would like this war to be over sooner rather than later. Correct?

Marandi: We would like justice. We would like that. We would like what would end all wars in this region is one thing that the land of Palestine be a land where Jews, Christians, and Muslims live as equal human beings. That’s something that your other guests would never support and never accept. And that’s why

Morgan: Well, let me ask you, Let me ask you for decades. Well, you said he wouldn’t accept it. Let me ask you, Alan, would you accept that? Of course, I accept it completely. I accept completely people in every part of the world living as equals without regard to their relation.

Marandi: You would accept that all Palestinians living within in the West Bank and Gaza, listen. No, answer my question. All the Palestinians, including those living in the West Bank and Gaza, they would have equal rights to those Israelis who you brought in from Europe and from across the world. They would have equal rights. You accept that?

Dershowitz: Let me be very clear. The vast majority of Israelis come from Arabic backgrounds, North Africa, um, Muslim backgrounds, Arab Palestine.

Marandi: That’s not Palestine. That’s not Palestine. Morocco is not Palestine. Heard Iraq is not Palestine. They’re not speaking with a child orient Ashkenazim. Number one. You and those running the country are mostly Ashkenazi. And the [?] Jews are not Palestinian and they’re not Semites. Of course, I believe in complete equality for everybody. Now I want to ask you the question. Do you think the West Bank and Gaza in the West So you say. No, no, no. Don’t run away from the answer. You say that the that the Palestinian ind you answer the question. You say that the Israeli regime should dismantle the system that now exists and that all Palestinians in the land of Gaza and in the West Bank should have the right of vote and should have citizenship to this land and they cannot be removed from their homes. You say that, right? You accept that, right?

Dershowitz: Of course, I think that they should be citizens of an independent state in Gaza, an independent state.

Marandi: No, no, no, no. I didn’t say that. I did not say that. Don’t change. Don’t change the complete right to. Do you accept that the people in Gaza are refugees from Palestine? I believe in a peaceful Israel. Answer the question. Answer the question. The people in Gaza are refugees from Palestine. They’re not from Gaza. Gaza was a village 50, 60, 70 years ago. The people in the West Bank, many of them are not from the West Bank. Many people in Jordan, they are not from Jordan or Lebanon or in Syria or in Egypt. The Palestinian population that has been expelled from their homes that have been kicked out of their homes and have been decimated for decades. You believe that within Palestine, what is now today called Israel plus the West Bank in Gaza, that they should have equal rights and citizenship. Let’s remember how it started. 1947 the UN partition. Just say yes or no.

Marandi: We know how it started. UK. The people who run Israel came from Europe. We know where they came from. They came from Eastern Europe for the most part. Many came from Russia. We know they’re not semites. I’m asking you a simple question. Just say should the Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank and the Palestinians who’ve been expelled from their homes who are from that land and who are they have equal rights and citizenship?

Morgan: This is a simple question. Most of the showers ask you the question and you tried to you tried to shift the question. Let him answer. Let him answer.

Dershowutz: In 1947 United Nations divided what was then a place called Palestine named by the Romans into two areas. One where there were a majority of Jews and that could be a Jewish state and the other which was much larger with the Arab land which could be a Palestinian state. Palestinians would have had a completely free state on the West Bank and in the Gaza and the Palestinian leadership led by a Nazi named Husini turned it down and refused and attacked Israel in a genocidal war against Israel. That’s what caused people to leave their homes and abandon their villages. Ben Gurian wanted to welcome them all, kept them there, let them have a two-state solution. Israel said yes. The Palestinians said no. That was the origin of the conflict and we can’t go back in time now. Obviously things have changed but I want complete equality for everybody. I want every

Marandi: May I just may I just want because as a lawyer let me just tell you one thing for your own sake. It’s only for your own sake for the sake of it’s not for the sake of argument. What you are saying, the argument that you’re making these fairy tales worked before October the 7th. They worked because the West had the propaganda machine. The West had the centers of knowledge. It worked and most people did not know the truth. So it worked. But the mistake that you made was that after October the 7th and the South African complaint to the ICJ, after October the 7th in the complaint that the South African government to the ICJ in the south. In that complaint they showed the genocidal intent of your regime, your Israeli regime. And after that we saw it carry out that and gradually as time well anyone can read it online. I advise all the viewers to use the search engine to go and look at the South African complaint to the ICJ after that. Okay, people can read it. It’s just quotes. It’s just quoting your prime minister. is quoting your president and then people saw the genocide call out on television for the world.

Morgan: Just to be clear, I think it’s probably pretty clear to viewers now why negotiations took 21 hours and why the war is still raging. But I appreciate you both agreeing to each other.

Marandi: Iran did not attack the United States. Iran did not pierce. Iran did not attack the United States. And the United States is sacrificing the world for this ethnospremacist regime.

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It has killed so many

Morgan: I can say all I can say is good luck. All I can say is good luck to the negotiating teams who are trying to bring this war to an end because even trying to bring this debate to an end is proving completely impossible. I appreciate you both. Professor Mirandi, Alan Dershowitz, I’ve got to leave it there. I thank you both very much for your time. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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