Jamie Kelso at CPAC: Rights versus Interests

Kevin MacDonald


Jamie Kelso’s experience at CPAC, on video here, shows how far we are from changing the rhetoric about race and immigration.

CPAC is sponsored by the American Conservative Union which claims it “represents the views of Americans who are concerned with economic growth through lower taxes and reduced government spending and the issues of liberty, personal responsibility, traditional values and national security.” But, whatever traditional values may be supported by the conference attendees, there is no evidence in the video that preserving White America is among them.

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Instead, Kelso was beset by confident, articulate young White people who have completely internalized the idea that America is a proposition nation. Acknowledging that Kelso probably should have avoided arguments related to inherent value in retaining racial uniqueness if only for tactical reasons, he made several arguments that I regard as unanswerable, particularly if one adopts an evolutionary perspective.  Paraphrasing a bit, he says that all peoples should be able to control a piece of land and to develop their own culture—a comment that reflects Frank Salter’s formulation in his On Genetic Interests. Kelso notes that (formerly) White nations are the only nations on earth that are admitting large numbers of people who are racially and  culturally different. He asks whether Nigeria should admit 500,000 White people. He asks whether Ireland should accept hundreds of thousands of Nigerians. He asks his audience if they would have any concern at all if there are no White people around in the future.

All to no avail. There’s no problem with admitting hundreds of thousands of Nigerians as long as they are good citizens and hard workers, even to a small country like Ireland. In response to Kelso’s point that Whites are the only people who allow colonization by other peoples, a woman says “That’s why we’re superior.” I guess ideas of racial or at least cultural superiority aren’t dead after all. (Someone please notify Hideous Heidi.)  Superiority comes from allowing other peoples to displace and dispossess your own people—an altruism that would leave evolutionists scratching their heads.

The vast majority of the responses to Kelso are a knee-jerk expression of human rights as the ultimate value that trumps all else—a pledge of allegiance to the proposition nation. Using the infinitely plastic concept of rights, White people have no more right to America than Blacks or Latinos or any other race. (Good looking young White guy with an air that he is uttering unassailable wisdom: “We’re talking about freedom here.”)  Nor do they have any particular right to Ireland or Sweden. After all, at some point everyone was an immigrant, even people whose ancestors settled Europe for thousands of years ago.

But whatever argument one wants to make in terms of rights, it clearly is not in the interests of Whites to allow themselves to be displaced and dispossessed, no matter how this dispossession is rationalized in terms of intellectual abstractions. (Kelso: “My fundamental point is that White people have interests.”) Why can’t Whites ask themselves the analogous question to the one that has forever guided Jewish behavior? Is it good for Whites? Devotion to abstractions like rights rather than interests is a sure recipe for evolutionary extinction.

My view is that this attraction to abstractions  is part of the individualistic heritage that is an ethnic trait of Europeans, most obvious in the Puritan/WASP tradition. In the 19th century, this liberal tradition could be seen in their attraction to utopian communities and their strong moral revulsion to slavery that animated the cause of abolition. Ideas matter and are worth fighting for–even if more than 600,000 White people died in the war –”Let us die to make men free” as the “Battle Hymn of the Republic” urged. They had the idea that people are able to fashion moral ideals and then bring them into being as a result of political activism. They were individualists who saw the world not in terms of ingroups and outgroups, but as composed of unique individuals. Their relatively tepid ethnocentrism and their proneness to moral universalism — ethnic traits in my view and in  the view of many in the 19th century — made them willing allies of the rising class of Jewish intellectuals who came to dominate intellectual discourse beginning at least by the 1930s.  Even by the late 1920s, the triumph of Boasian anthropology meant that appeals to WASP ethnicity would fall on deaf ears in the academic world.

The other type of argument against Kelso is that the only criterion should be whether the immigrants benefit the society as a whole in some way–if, for example, they are hard working. That’s a more attractive argument, but, as Peter Brimelow showed a long time ago, U.S. immigration policy is not at all designed to ensure that only the best and brightest or even the hard working come here. Rather than national interest, it’s mainly a matter of closeness to our southern border and family connections—the latter concept a centerpiece of Jewish attitudes on immigration (pp. 277-278) (in addition to maximizing numbers and encouraging immigration by all races).

One could imagine a society that would benefit by accepting other peoples—say an African society that imported a technocratic class. But there is no need to make such people citizens or even permanent residents. Israel, for example, imports foreign workers but does not allow them to become citizens. In fact, if a foreign worker in Israel has a baby, she automatically loses her work permit and becomes subject to deportation along with her children. In the US, Jewish organizations are strongly in favor of birthright citizenship—just one of many examples of different Jewish strategies in the Diaspora versus Israel. As always, the welfare of the Jewry rather than abstract principled morality is the basis of Jewish behavior.  Obviously, in the long run allowing foreign workers to become citizens would not be compatible with Israel being a Jewish state set up to further the interests of a particular ethno-cultural group. Similarly, policies could be devised that would provide for foreign workers but nevertheless allow the US to retain a European ethno-cultural identity and a commitment to maintaining its control over a territory.

The encounter is a good example of how entrenched the rhetoric on issues of race and ethnicity has become. In the same way, European politicians like Geert Wilders and Marine LePen do not question the basics of post-WWII rhetoric on race. These politicians do not use Darwinian thinking that had dominated intellectual discourse early in the last century, only to be eradicated by the rise of the culture of critique (see especially Chapter 2). The fact is that these are racial invaders and it’s as natural to repel them as it was for Charles Martel to stand up to the Muslims in the 8th century or for a wolf pack to defend its territory.

I suspect that explicit assertions of White identity and frank discussions of Jewish influence will remain over the horizon for some time. But the success of anti-Muslim parties in Europe and the anger over immigration in the US (e.g., the Arizona immigration law) means that a lot can be accomplished without explicit assertions of White identity and frank discussions of Jewish influence. (See, for example, the current featured video on this site [also available here]; Tom Tancredo, who polled 38% of the votes in the Colorado governor’s race despite running as a third party candidate, defends measures against illegal immigration without resorting to arguments phrased in terms of White identity and interests: “This has nothing to do with race.” He has also proposed a moratorium on legal immigration.) All of these movements are implicitly White. Like the Republican Party, the vast majority of the supporters of these movements are White and at times at least, they are pursuing White interests. But they cannot say their name. Because of the pall of political correctness on all topics related to race, they cannot frame their policy recommendations explicitly in terms of White interests.

The fact is that right now it’s pretty hard to imagine that a plea against non-White immigration couched in terms of Whiteness would be viable. Kelso’s experience is exactly the sort of thing one can expect, even among so-called conservatives. But if the anti-Muslim movement gains traction in Europe as it seems to be doing, or possibly if someone like Tom Tancredo gets elected to high office in the US, I do think that it will open the door to explicit assertions of White identity and interest.

This is the slippery slope argument so often lying in the background of Jewish concerns about any attempt to restrict immigration or single out any group as unassimilable—even Muslims, the vast majority of whom are no friends of Israel.  Thus Lena Posner, president of the Official Council of Swedish Jewish Communities: “We are quite upset about having a party [in the Parliament] that says they are only addressing Muslims and immigration. History has taught us about where this can lead, and this is not necessarily good for the Jews” (see here).

The slippery slope argument is that once Muslims are successfully targeted as unassimilable, Europeans and other Westerners will realize that other groups, such as African-derived peoples, Jews, Latinos, and Asians, are aligned against them politically and that these groups have quite different interests in the construction of culture than they do. One can easily see the anti-immigration movement snowballing as Europe develops a renewed sense of cultural identity and confidence. And in such a climate, arguments in terms of ethnic genetic interests would quite possibly be an intellectually powerful and welcome defense of the new culture.

This devotion to abstractions by White people has its limits. It’s one thing to see it in a more or less racially homogeneous society and when you are not personally threatened, but its another thing when its obvious that the abstractions are leading to a nightmare for Whites. Whites are indeed the most individualistic people on Earth but I do think that we will become more group-oriented and less mindlessly principled when the threats are obvious to everyone.

But for the foreseeable future, organizations like TOO, the Occidental Quarterly, VDARE.com, and  Counter-Currents will continue to discuss all of these issues—the voices in the background that will put the message of ethnic/racial defense into the thinking of well-educated, articulate, racially aware Whites who will eventually become the leaders of the counter-revolution. The politicians and writers who (implicitly) champion White interests will not express themselves in terms of race for the foreseeable future. But it’s a message that will become more and more palatable as the pressures resulting from these mass invasions continue to mount.

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287 Comments to "Jamie Kelso at CPAC: Rights versus Interests"

  1. Teutonic1's Gravatar Teutonic1
    April 15, 2012 - 7:43 pm | Permalink

    @Armor: Good responses.
    Some on here had far better answers than what those people were hearing at that discussion on the video.

    @ GT: I agree. The liberals creamed him, and he didn’t make them think. He is a self-appointed authority and leader.

  2. Teutonic1's Gravatar Teutonic1
    April 15, 2012 - 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Kelso did not give the best retorts or answers to the questions that the people put to him.
    He lost them right away.
    But then, most won’t wake up until they are persecuted or victimized repeatedly.

  3. Wakjob's Gravatar Wakjob
    April 10, 2011 - 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Everyone wants to live in the country built by whites. But can everyone sustain and build America as whites have? Take a look at the conditions in these other countries and see what the future of USA looks like – 3rd world hell. The “native Americans” were savages sitting around in mud huts smoking dope and slaughtering each other and doing NOTHING to develop the land. NOTHING. Whites came here and BUILT the world’s greatest civilization. Therefore whites are entitled to the land.

    Can someone name one new industry or product to come out of India, China, or Nigeria?

  4. Curt's Gravatar Curt
    March 19, 2011 - 9:09 pm | Permalink

    This from “ethnocentrism” way above at the top of this list of posts:
    “Jews have a conflict of interests with their Semitic cousins (Arabs).”
    Surely you jest? The only Jews that are semitic by genetic similarity to Arabs are Sephardic Jews who, by the way, are considered second class citizens in Israel precisely because of their genetic makeup. Ashkenazi Jews trace their ancestors to central and eastern Europe, and today make up 80% of the world’s Jewish population. They are also represent the majority of Israel’s population.
    My point here is that the vast majority of today’s Jews are not semitic (although they would like us to think of them this way, which makes it possible for them proclaim their warcry :”you are anti-Semitic!”, should any of us say anything that is not complimentary about them), and certainly not cousins to Arabs.

  5. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    March 1, 2011 - 10:55 am | Permalink

    KM: “My view is that this attraction to abstractions is part of the individualistic heritage that is an ethnic trait of Europeans, most obvious in the Puritan/WASP tradition.”

    What I find remarkable is how the anti-white forces are able to manipulate our crazy puritan streak and push it to an absurd, anti-white, extreme.

  6. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    March 1, 2011 - 10:52 am | Permalink

    In a one-on-one situation, Kelso’s interlocutors would probably have been more conciliatory and more open to persuasion. I agree with Jim that Jamie Kelso’s encounter could be viewed as training film. It would be fun to organize similar debates on the internet, on Skype, between teams of white nationalists and teams of young idealist young people.

    I don’t think Frank Salter’s theory of genetic interests can be effectively used as a way to rally people to the white cause. It’s an interesting theory, but only for people who already have a pro-white point of view.

    I don’t think Bob’s mantra (pointing out that only white nations are asked to embrace race-replacement) was very useful either in this particular debate.

    At the start of the video, Kelso says that racial mixing would abruptly end what was created over thousands of generations. A young man replies: “I’m okay with that”. Of course, it’s absurd to say that the end of the white race is okay. We should not have to explain why we need to collectively keep on existing. I see it as a passive aggressive tactic used to drain Kelso’s energy. When teachers take to the street to defend their financial interests, no one waxes philosophical and asks why teachers have to exist in the first place. But if the subject is the white race, many people become ironical and shift into phony philosophical mode.

    Kelso could have asked the young man what he was doing at CPAC in the first place. CPAC is supposed to be concerned with “economic growth through lower taxes and reduced government spending and the issues of liberty, personal responsibility, traditional values and national security”. That is obviously a white man’s perpective. That’s why there was no Black in their group. Non-whites don’t care about those issues. They want higher taxes. The replacement of white people by other races means certain defeat of every single cause CPAC professes to defend. There is a total lack of coherence here. They pretend not to see what is happening now in front of their eyes.

    What I would tell those young people is that CPAC conservatism has become a dead end and a crock. CPAC’s position that the race question can be ignored is absurd and will help white people go extinct even faster. If you believe in racial suicide, CPAC is the place to be. If not, young white people should join an organization like A3P, CoCC, EAU… If Kelso wasn’t afraid to be beaten up, he should have handed out cards with the web addresses of the A3P and the CoCC.

    If you believe in traditional American/Western ideals, nothing is more crucial than saving white people’s collective existence. It means you have to acknowledge that a war is being waged against white people, and that immigration from the third-world amounts to race-replacement. At the very least, you have to defend freedom of association for white people.

    When a young man says he doesn’t mind the white race going extinct, several replies are possible:

    – You don’t care one way, but do you care the other: Do you mind if I don’t want white people to become extinct?

    – Do you think an African would be right to oppose the disappearance of his race?

    – Do you think some forms of genocide are OK?

    – Your question is Why not accept our destruction? / My question is Why not refuse our destruction? What do you reply?

  7. Mr. Z's Gravatar Mr. Z
    March 1, 2011 - 1:45 am | Permalink

    I can’t help but look at all of these white people willing to do anything for the comfortable sell-out life, and realize that this situation is a lot worse than it has been in history.

    People say ‘well, the NSDAP came through in a democracy’.

    Ok, different circumstances that make the current situation even more appalling:

    1.) We don’t have a Hindenburg to give a party head power (or a King Emmanuel in Mussolini’s case). We have a democracy with shills and puppets to the top, and DIEBOLD voting machines, which if you believe that whole racket would ever willingly give up power, I have a photo for you:

    http://www.rondak.org/Images/humor/diebold_1a.jpg

    2.) Let us be chimerical for a moment (that is to say, moronic), and assume that the entire democracy would be valid. NS Germany and Pre-1965 America were MORE THAN 95% white.

    America today? 65% white you say? Is that a generous estimate, and of those who are not cross-breeds (or Jews, that few percent registers as white, don’t they?) that would naturally take offense to the white message?

    But ok, ok, let’s remain chimerical here.

    You’re going to tell me, after watching this video, that in this ‘democracy’, after an extraordinary and unbelievable effort, we could get the VAST MAJORITY, nearly a total populace vote of all of the whites in America needed for a pro-white party to retake power?

    AFTER WATCHING THAT VIDEO AND ALL THE WHITE SHILLS TODAY?

    I’ll leave you with this video of bumbling Ewok-looking Israel-First Talmudic Parasite Mark Potok salivating at the mouth about the oncoming very-near moment of whites about to dip into minority status. And for a historic comparison, you can think of the 3 million Germans that were oppressed in the 75-million person ‘democracy’ of Czechoslovakia during WWII, which caused Hitler to take action.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJRtu_UVKFg

    P.S.:
    White’s, or ‘White Nationalists’, or whatever, will talk, talk, talk on the internet, until they are in minority status.

    The only way this ever goes anywhere is if something is re-formed the likes of the S.A., with a permanent presence and a real-world force and assembly, which people can count on for their safety to be OPENLY VOCAL in their own names, and not anonymously on the internet. And this means they would have to be part of a self-sufficient organization, that probably works their own land, has their own means a base survival in a barrack-type life, but the important thing is they can be vocal without fear of the ADL or SPLC or whoever getting them kicked out of their job and livelihood.

    The true ability to fight and have a real-world force as real people.

    Otherwise, this stays on the internet. And if it stays on the internet much longer, FORCE will be all that is left for whites, IF we are not at that point already (I don’t believe a pure white European 65% population of the US, and certainly not one that would completely vote pro-white).

    Oh, and btw, most ‘WN’ are too chicken shit to fess up that multiculturalism needs to be REVERSED.

    That means expulsions. Jews and all. If we want to speak of our self-determination, stop beating around the bush. We need to be willing to remove power from and kick the non-whites out just as quickly as the Jews empowered them and flooded them in.

  8. March 1, 2011 - 1:07 am | Permalink

    “Modern Christianity is doing nothing for the cause and its message of “all are accepted if they accept Christ” is an obvious problem. I don’t want to take away anybody’s religion but what’s the point of turning a blind eye to reality?”

    We should go for the Upanishads/Vedas, actual original source of Christianity and explicitly racial, explicitly in favor of preserving the races, even Aryan-made. Now, there is basis in both Christian scripture and tradition for being racial; for White Christians to see the idiocy of allowing the destruction of God’s creation. (And are not the human forms and human cultures the pinnacle of God’s creation?) However, it’s going to take Christians too long to find them and re-develop them, and they may not succeed at all. In the Upanishads/Vedas, everything is there for the validation of authentic religion (personal experience of God within), as well as a well-stated imperative to preserve the races, especially the race of those scriptures’ progenitors.

  9. Scooter's Gravatar Scooter
    February 28, 2011 - 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Sean:

    While there indeed may have been a troll on other boards named “Dave”, this Dave posting here is obviously quite intelligent and able to argue well on his own behalf. We would do well to keep this gentleman on our team, assuming he desires to use his intelligence in favor of defending the white race against the opposition.

    • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
      March 1, 2011 - 3:57 am | Permalink

      Scooter: A bit higher up in this stack, I inadvertently duplicated sentiments expressed in your comment directly above, but I wrote far less succinctly than you do, alas. I apologize for typing first, reading later. May I add that I also agree with your comment’s last sentence, which my own comment does not restate but certainly should have.

  10. Mr. Dithers's Gravatar Mr. Dithers
    February 28, 2011 - 1:29 pm | Permalink

    If the young conservatards in this video represent the future of the Republican party then we may as well mail in it now. These young kids subscribe to the view of America as a haven for every race, creed and linguistic group so long as they work hard, pay taxes and feign loyalty and patriotism.

    I don’t want to second guess Kelso since he had the courage to spread our message in a semi-hostile environment, but he should have asked these kids why, if America was destined to be multiracial flophouse was citizenship restricted to free white persons until the Civil War? Also, our immigration laws were racially and ethnically restrictive favoring Northern and Western Europeans until 1965 and interracial marriage was banned until around the same time. Then there’s John Jay’s address which is clear declaration that American was founded for only one branch of the white race.

    As far as I can tell Kelso didn’t hit people with those facts other than telling people that whites have group interests.

    No doubt most of these kids have lived sheltered lives and attended segregated, probably Christian oriented schools with no more than a handful of blacks and other non-whites. As such their experiences with non-whites have been almost non-existent or at least not negative which is why they foolishly think that the rapid demographic changes that will make them a hated minority are much ado about nothing.

  11. Sean Grant's Gravatar Sean Grant
    February 28, 2011 - 12:19 am | Permalink

    “Dave” is a jewish troll. Iam familiar with his games from other blogs. He is a detriment to any blog he coments on. He was recently run off of Incog’s blog after being banned several times.
    Just a heads up to the serious amongst us.

    • February 28, 2011 - 1:00 pm | Permalink

      Either that, or he knows not what he says/does. It is a common behaviour, resistant to change, alas.

    • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
      March 1, 2011 - 3:44 am | Permalink

      I am content to take you at your word regarding the Dave or Daves you deprecate for “trollish” conduct at other sites, but is there not a signal possibility that our Dave is someone quite distinct from these other Daves? Surely the world is a big enough place to house more than one gent using that screen name.

      How many of this Dave’s comments have you read here and on other TOO threads, Mr. Grant? I have read quite a few, and virtually without exception they are considered, articulate, and gentlemanly. In addition, whatever the disagreements I may have with him from time to time, he is, thank the good Lord, clearly not a worshiper at the shrine of the false religion of behaviorism.

      I mean no offense to you in saying that if possessing the foregoing characteristics will get one styled a troll, I hope you will consider calling me a troll, too. If Dave is to be the standard for trollness, it seems almost as attractive a label as being called an anti-Semite by the Fox, the Weasel, or the $PLC!

  12. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    February 27, 2011 - 11:11 pm | Permalink

    For those of you who aren’t aware of the suspicious background of Jamie Kelso, read this:

    http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5790

  13. February 27, 2011 - 9:54 pm | Permalink

    WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT, THAT THE BOW CONTINUE TO EXIST AS PART OF CULTURE OR THAT THE MAN AND HIS DESCENDANTS CONTINUE TO EXIST.
    IS IT THE WHOLE POINT OF A PEOPLE TO ENSURE THE SURVIVAL OF THEIR CULTURE OR IS IT THE POINT OF A CULTURE TO ENSURE THE SURVIVAL OF A PEOPLE?

    An excellent and very interesting analogy. It reminds me of a once famous passage from the biblical book of Mark:

    One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. The Pharisees were saying to Him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” And He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions became hungry; how he entered the house of God in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the consecrated bread, which is not lawful for anyone to eat except the priests, and he also gave it to those who were with him?” Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.”

    • phil white's Gravatar phil white
      February 28, 2011 - 8:01 am | Permalink

      Reginald said; ““The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.”

      thanks, good reference to remember, espcially if you come across an evangelical type.
      Another thing is to try and use some topic the your target is interested in, such as cheap labor immigration putting economic pressure on you whites and causing more poverty related abortions if you meet a pro-lifer at the convention.
      sunday quarterbacking jamie some more, it’s a good idea to approach those young women with something like; “your have turned yourself out very nicely today. Why do you dress like that?”
      Eventually you can work them around to the admission that if a single Brad Pit walked in they would like him to notice them, and then admit the reason they want to catch men’s eyes is that it’s their genes urging them to procreate.
      Also most people, particualrly women, like to have attention centered on themselves. There is a reason that the biolgical symbol for the female is the venus looking glass.
      also maybe he should have done this with the brunette first, and let the blonde then try to horn in to get more attention.
      Jamie certainly had the young peoples interest if not support, but he probably planted seeds of doubt in at least one head.
      and even if the conversation were otherwise boring for the young men, they would likely hang around just becasue the women were there. ain’t mother nature wonderfull when you know how to manipulate her? :)

  14. phil white's Gravatar phil white
    February 27, 2011 - 9:29 pm | Permalink

    jamie is good. The brunette may have picked up a seed of thought from him. She only made one negative comment, and when the C4L pc enforcer came by the second time to state Jamie didn’t represent C4L, she made a sarcastic “we know” retort to the enforcer.
    As to arguments, rather than talk about limiting immigration and marrying within your own race, go to more bed rock arguments.
    Use the socratic method. ASK, “DID YOU EAT TODAY?” ANDSER “YES”
    WHY? ANSWER BECAUSE I WAS HUNGRY.
    WHY DO YOU GET HUNGRY?
    EVENTUALLY YOU WILL GET THEM TO THE POINT THAT THEY GET HUNGRY BECAUSE OF GENETIC INBORN DRIVES TO SURVIVE. THE NEXT STEP IS TO GET THEM TO REALIZE THEIR GENES HAVE AN INTEREST IN SURVIVING.
    THEN YOU ARE HALF WAY HOME.

    AS TO THE CULTURAL ARGUMENT “WE ARE SUPERIOR BECAUSE WE DON’T DISCRIMINATE IN FAVOR OF OURSELVES” COME BACK WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS:
    THOUSDANDS OF YEARS AGO A MAN INVENTED A BOW AND ARROW. THAT BECAME PART OF HIS CULTURE.
    WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT, THAT THE BOW CONTINUE TO EXIST AS PART OF CULTURE OR THAT THE MAN AND HIS DESCENDANTS CONTINUE TO EXIST.
    IS IT THE WHOLE POINT OF A PEOPLE TO ENSURE THE SURVIVAL OF THEIR CULTURE OR IS IT THE POINT OF A CULTURE TO ENSURE THE SURVIVAL OF A PEOPLE?
    IN OTHER WORDS, IS THE BOW AND ARROW MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PEOPLE.

    • henry baxley's Gravatar henry baxley
      February 28, 2011 - 9:14 am | Permalink

      This is good stuff about the bow and arrow…keep it up

  15. Dave's Gravatar Dave
    February 27, 2011 - 9:14 am | Permalink

    @Longley: You have referred twice to me “adding” text to the encyclical without specifying what I added, all to give other readers the impression that I was being in some way deceitful. The only thing I added was indicated in brackets. Anyone knows that brackets identify to the reader a clarification added by the quoter and indicate something that did not appear in the original text. And the only thing deceitful here is your trying to score rhetorical points with your misleading claim that I added something not identified to the reader to the text. It was identified. Commentaries on this encyclical indicate that when the Pope spoke of “that condemned philosophy” he was speaking of marxism.

    • February 27, 2011 - 7:06 pm | Permalink

      Dave February 27, 2011 – 9:14 am

      “@Longley: You have referred twice to me “adding” text to the encyclical without specifying what I added, all to give other readers the impression that I was being in some way deceitful. The only thing I added was indicated in brackets.”

      Your verbal behaviour clearly demonstrates:

      a) lack of self-awareness;
      b) Impulsivity;
      c) Disrespect of critics/teachers.

  16. February 27, 2011 - 6:22 am | Permalink

    Fynn February 26, 2011 – 7:17 pm

    “I’ve never given Mr. Longley a “thumbs down”, although I don’t read 99% of his stuff. I’m sure a movement will soon form with Mr. Longley as the leader and “the non-truth functional domain of the mental/psychological” as its slogan.”

    From which we can probably safely infer that you have not read much if anything by Quine, Skinner or the rest in those working in Evidential Behaviourism (aka Pursuit of Truth aka science itself) including Behaviour Analysis/Behavioural Economics.

    Exactly what are the likes of yourself tacitly championing? Might it be superstition/irrationality? What are the likely consequences of ridiculing those who try to behave more rationally? Might it be loss of productive industry and ultimately your economy?

    Do you see what you are contribting to? Probably not in my view. There are many doing the same. Don’t take just my word for it either. You are part of the majority. Is that comforting?

  17. heretic's Gravatar heretic
    February 26, 2011 - 9:19 pm | Permalink

    I once made an observation. How many liberals own “full-bred” dogs? It’s an interesting statistic. While these young whites flaunt their fashionable political correctness with talk of miscegenation, I would be VERY curious to know what kinds of dogs they own. How hypocritical they would be if most of them own “full-bred” dogs. Why do they value the pedigree of dogs, but not humans? Odd…isn’t it

  18. Dave's Gravatar Dave
    February 26, 2011 - 6:51 pm | Permalink

    My quote from Pius XII followed after reading this from you:

    “In our desperation for economic growth we first ‘liberated’ females (who are, alas, more abstract in that they’re more verbal and less engineering inclined, wreckers not builders) primarily to increase the size of the workforce/consumer base, i.e to increase the number of debtors, and thereby create more (private) wealth.

    When that stalled (it helped dumb the population down by skewing the birth rate towards the less bright, whilst still lowering the birth-rate in the end), we tried to compensate via immigration.

    This is an insatiable, shark-like, drive for forward economic growth, and I fear some of the more salient, self-centred/narcissistic, amongst us, i.e successful Jewish people, some of whom flocked to the USA and UK to exploit opportunity offered by this (flawed) system late in the C19th and early in the C20th centuries, have now been exclusively singled out by some as the only culprits/scapegoats. But it’s clearly not just them (even though they’re not blameless) as the entire system reinforces self-destructive self-centredness, and with it, dysgenesis. It’s just that most of us can’t see this as it’s delayed in terms of its behavioural consequences.”

    Your comment here and Pius XII’s read back-to-back say the same thing, except Pius XII said it almost 54 years ago. Yes, I read your comments, and my comment was directly responsive to someone else claiming you were making unique observations. You’re not. You probably never thought that a Pope, of all people, would have said it first (or at least preceded you).

    • February 27, 2011 - 5:49 am | Permalink

      Dave February 26, 2011 – 6:51 pm

      “Yes, I read your comments, and my comment was directly responsive to someone else claiming you were making unique observations. You’re not. You probably never thought that a Pope, of all people, would have said it first (or at least preceded you).

      Note your continued appeals to intensions? Are Jewish people the same as Catholic people? Are Blacks and Whites the same? Look at what I wrote and look at what you quoted from Pope Pius XII. Note how you interpret? Not only that, but you added text to it.

      In your posts are we not reading your personal imaginary ‘Cartesian Theatre’ (imagine a screen at the back of your forehead where you can project whatever you like) being transcribed, by yourself, to the blog? You are fabricating. Do you see how that is egocentric and child-like?

      What are you telling/showing some of us?

      What is missing from the title of the book ‘Word and Object’ (1960)? What was chapter 6 all about? What is the problem with intensional contexts with respect to truth functionality and thus rationality? What is the difference between the nature of (mechanical, logical) argument and squabbling?

      A sentence for you to consider:

      “Can we infer, with a high degree of probability, that your father was not a member of the Catholic clergy?”

  19. Dave's Gravatar Dave
    February 26, 2011 - 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Are you claiming that there was no “intention” behind the court decisions, family and divorce law “innovations”, immigration laws, immigration law non-enforcement etc that support the “enlightened feminist and minority liberal regime”? After all, Justice Ginsberg is on record as stating that pro-abortion decisions were rendered because “we” wanted fewer of certain classes of people. (She was never pressed to identify to which classes she was referring and who she meant by “we”). Do you deny that abortion decisions manifested an “intention”? She sure thought they intended something!

    • February 26, 2011 - 6:27 pm | Permalink

      Dave February 26, 2011 – 6:12 pm

      “Are you claiming that there was no “intention” behind the court decisions, family and divorce law “innovations”, immigration laws, immigration law non-enforcement etc that support the “enlightened feminist and minority liberal regime”? After all, Justice Ginsberg is on record as stating that pro-abortion decisions were rendered because “we” wanted fewer of certain classes of people. (She was never pressed to identify to which classes she was referring and who she meant by “we”). Do you deny that abortion decisions manifested an “intention”? She sure thought they intended something!”

      You appear to have either not read many of my comments over recent weeks or not understood them. Do not try to translate them into mental language, you will just invent what is not written that way. I suggest you make a start with the Skinner audio ‘On Having A Poem’ linked to elsewhere, then listen to Quine’s recorded tribute to Skinner at the latter’s retirement party in the 1970s. You need to learn the language of Behaviour Analysis to understand my comments (and much else besides).

      Intention is just a subset of intension.

      “You know what thought did? Thought followed a muck-cart thinking it was a wedding”.

  20. Dave's Gravatar Dave
    February 26, 2011 - 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Of course, Longley’s anti-libertarian argument seems, somehow, disingenuous and dissembling, even if that is only because it does not explain all the facts. If plutocrats only want what is good for business, wouldn’t they desire ever-larger numbers of educated and highly productive whites who, presumably, would support a more profitable economy? Wouldn’t that naturally result from higher birthrates and all the goods and services that are purchased as a result of these babies? Instead, all the policies that have been adopted in the west seem (are) satanic in their desire to cast enmity between the sexes and to encourage white women to despise their calling to propagate the race. In other words, why do the plutocrats always seem to desire “brown” consumers, instead of “white” consumers?

    • February 26, 2011 - 4:58 pm | Permalink

      You have reverted to intention. I have been describing demographic consequences of behaviours.

      Discriminate the difference, and stop referring to imagined (invented) psychological (intensional) states, and attributing them causal roles.

    • February 27, 2011 - 4:58 pm | Permalink

      Dave February 26, 2011 – 4:43 pm

      “Of course, Longley’s anti-libertarian argument seems, somehow, disingenuous and dissembling, even if that is only because it does not explain all the facts.”

      If one does not grasp what one is told, does that mean that it has not been explained?

      This is a basic question for those who have not grasped what’s poisonous about the Libertarian endorsement of solipsism/cognitvism/mentalism/egocentricism/narcissism.

      Is it the teachers’ fault when people do not learn, even now that we know that cognitive ability is largely genetic?

      If so, how and why is it their fault?

      That it is, is a line used by Libertarians in order to close ‘failing schools’ in dysgenic areas in order to privatise for profit i.e. further roll back (asset strip) the state.

  21. Dave's Gravatar Dave
    February 26, 2011 - 4:05 pm | Permalink

    From the perspective of Pius XII both christian clergy advocating unrestricted third-world immigration and cultural marxists are dupes of plutocrats. Christian clergy are too self-concerned about being “saints” and place no value on their own people and also overestimate their ability to win arguments against cultural marxists. They are allowed to advocate for immigration because it is good for business. Cultural marxists think they have a free hand in all of this but that is only because the plutocrats don’t see them as a threat in that their ideology is not inimical to consumerism. If the cultural marxists are ever reined in, it won’t be because they are “wrong”, but because the plutocrats have decided for whatever reason they are bad for business.

    • February 26, 2011 - 4:53 pm | Permalink

      Cultural Marxists are Trotskyites:- kissing cousins of Libertarians (cf Neoconservatives).

  22. Dave's Gravatar Dave
    February 26, 2011 - 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Longley is stating nothing new. The RC Church has taken a consistent position against the evils of materialism, with, e.g., Pope Pius XII issuing an encyclical in 1957 on the subject entitled Le Pelerinage de Lourdes – Warning Against Materialism. A quote:

    “This materialism is not confined to that condemned philosophy which dictates the policies and economy of a large segment of mankind [Economic Marxism].It rages also in a love of money which creates ever greater havoc as modern enterprises expand, and which, unfortunately, determines many of the decisions which weigh heavy on the life of the people It finds expression in the cult of the body, in excessive desire for comforts, and in flight from all the austerities of life. It encourages scorn for human life, even for life which is destroyed before seeing the light of day.

    This materialism is present in the unrestrained search for pleasure, which flaunts itself shamelessly and tries, through reading matter and entertainments, to seduce souls which are still pure. It shows itself in lack of interest in one’s brother, in selfishness which crushes him, in justice which deprives him of his rights – in a word, in that concept of life which regulates everything exclusively in terms of material prosperity and earthly satisfactions.”

    • February 26, 2011 - 4:50 pm | Permalink

      You appear to have added a bit (see para. 45-47 compared to your version, whilst ignoring the problem I’ve raised with Catholic clergy/intelligentsia in the past having driven Catholic population dysgenesis.

      Spotting what is same and what is different is basic to discrimination, and thus learning anything new.

      [Hispanics tend to be Catholics...]

  23. Fynn's Gravatar Fynn
    February 26, 2011 - 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Probably down deep the supposed conservatives knew that Jamie Kelso wasn’t talking complete nonsense. So they heard him out a bit, even if their reaction was negative. Was it more their indoctrination that caused the negative reaction or the fear of being politically incorrect? I’d say the latter. Hopefully it’s easier to get over fear than indoctrination – some Arabs have gotten over theirs recently.

    • February 26, 2011 - 12:58 pm | Permalink

      “Was it more their indoctrination that caused the negative reaction or the fear of being politically incorrect? I’d say the latter.”

      Note the speculation about the non-truth functional domain of the mental/psychological? It’s meaningless to talk or write like this, as the domain is imaginary. Even if you asked them to report on it they’d just be making the stuff up!

    • February 26, 2011 - 1:26 pm | Permalink

      Just to follow that (and earlier points) up – so long as people are seduced into this verbal fantasy world, and are even prepared to pay to participate, those with feminized brains can and will make a living (sometimes fortunes) at the expense of those who are seduced. It’s just like Hollywood. Note how the celebrity/narcissistic culture is hyped all the time? There is no truth/falsehood in this domain. It’s all fabrication. Who does well in such non-work domains (nb most boys/men read little)? Who are the non-builders who get others to do their bidding?

    • Fynn's Gravatar Fynn
      February 26, 2011 - 1:35 pm | Permalink

      It’s easier to make sense out of a Charlie Sheen rant than what Mr. Longley has to say – and more entertaining.

    • February 26, 2011 - 2:02 pm | Permalink

      Fynn February 26, 2011 – 1:35 pm

      “It’s easier to make sense out of a Charlie Sheen rant than what Mr. Longley has to say – and more entertaining.”

      Indeed – these dysgenic days, more and more never seem to grow up….

      Girls just want to have fun..

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 26, 2011 - 3:09 pm | Permalink

      Fynn said: “It’s easier to make sense out of a Charlie Sheen rant than what Mr. Longley has to say – and more entertaining.”

      The only sensible explanation I can come up with that could possibly explain your attitude and your self-admitted lack of cognitive skills, Fynn, is that you’re as functionally illiterate as the minority of the posters here who brag about hitting the thumbs down button without even reading what Mr. Longley has to contribute because, in their opinion he’s not discussing White Power and the (very real) perfidious influence of Jews in our society with every breath he takes.

      I equate their bragging about not wanting to be exposed to new ideas to their lack of reading comprehension skills and their failure through no fault of their own to receive even a basic education in critical thinking. Of course then there’s the fact that most of them appear to be afflicted with the group-think curse of conformity that infects nearly all fear-filled and unimaginative people.

      Are these your problems too?

    • Fynn's Gravatar Fynn
      February 26, 2011 - 7:17 pm | Permalink

      It’s touching to see that David Longley has a friend in arthurdecco. I’ve never given Mr. Longley a “thumbs down”, although I don’t read 99% of his stuff. I’m sure a movement will soon form with Mr. Longley as the leader and “the non-truth functional domain of the mental/psychological” as its slogan. Arthurdecco will follow in behind as the scold. What they want to accomplish is anybodys’ guess. In the meantime, permit me to go back to not reading 99% of their stuff.

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 26, 2011 - 8:38 pm | Permalink

      Didn’t Fynn say, “It’s easier to make sense out of a Charlie Sheen rant than what Mr. Longley has to say – and more entertaining.”?!?

      But then he said: “…although I don’t read 99% of his stuff.”

      How’s that for speaking out of both sides of you mouth, Fynn?

      Where I come from we call that hypocrisy. With a capital “H”. Or dishonesty. With a capital “D”.

      And then Fynn said: “I’m sure a movement will soon form with Mr. Longley as the leader and “the non-truth functional domain of the mental/psychological” as its slogan. Arthurdecco will follow in behind as the scold. ”

      You have confused my defence of Mr. Longley’s right to stand up and be counted with friendship or even fandom, Fynn.

      Mr. Longley’s thoughts certainly have as much right to be read as your disingenuous and dishonest posts do, don’t you think?

      He doesn’t have to be my friend or the focus of my admiration to deserve protection from proudly
      ignorant and dishonest posters like you by principled and curious-readers-after-facts like me.

      Remember, I’m not the only one defending Mr. Longley’s right to share his perspectives with the rest of us. I’m just the one that’s in your face about your rude and juvenile attempts to insult him instead of making the least effort to understand his subtle, if insistently consistently eccentric points of view.

    • February 27, 2011 - 2:13 pm | Permalink

      arthurdecco February 26, 2011 – 8:38 pm

      “Remember, I’m not the only one defending Mr. Longley’s right to share his perspectives with the rest of us. I’m just the one that’s in your face about your rude and juvenile attempts to insult him instead of making the least effort to understand his subtle, if insistently consistently eccentric points of view.”

      Much that I am posting isn’t personal. it’s a synthesis of some of what’s known from research in demography, economics, Behaviour Analysis and psychiatry.

      Look closely into the behaviours which characterise those classed (by observable behaviours) as Axis II Cluster B, bearing in mind that these are basically indentity disorders. Such individuals are prone to unstable, volatile, relationships and have a hard time with allocentric perspectives, i.e truth. They foment emotional conflict.

      Whilst no ethnic group has a monopoly of these disorders, there could be prevalence differences between ethnic groups as a consequence of centuries of isolation/endogamy. Could that be the problem?

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 27, 2011 - 8:32 pm | Permalink

      arthurdecco said: “Remember, I’m not the only one defending Mr. Longley’s right to share his perspectives with the rest of us. I’m just the one that’s in your face about your rude and juvenile attempts to insult him instead of making the least effort to understand his subtle, if insistently consistently eccentric points of view.”

      David Longley replied: “Much that I am posting isn’t personal. it’s a synthesis of some of what’s known from research in demography, economics, Behaviour Analysis and psychiatry.”

      To which I reply:

      I already knew that from reading your posts, Mr. Langley. I’ve been half-paying attention, which is more than can be said for several of your critics. You do ask a lot of a fellow who’s looking for more than pap on the internet, don’t cha know?

      I originally described your points of view as “subtle, if insistently consistently eccentric” not because I thought your educated opinions were misguided or delusional but because they were not the widely-accepted bromide truths and slippery absolutes modern ‘thinkers’ hold near to their hearts – definite evidence that you are undeniably and refreshingly eccentric, Mr. Longley!

      I should point out I have yet to find fault with either your logic or your arguments, despite the obvious pressures that have been brought to bear on you here @ TOO. You perform well under pressure and consistently display a level of civility in your rebuttals that appears to be missing from most of your overly-emotional critic’s Good Manors Manuals. I stand in awe of your discipline and focus.

      Running for class President can be a bitch, can’t it? Especially when you’re the low man on the pole. And an eccentric, bloody foreigner to boot?

      lol

    • February 28, 2011 - 10:18 am | Permalink

      Fynn February 26, 2011 – 7:17 pm

      “It’s touching to see that David Longley has a friend in arthurdecco. I’ve never given Mr. Longley a “thumbs down”, although I don’t read 99% of his stuff. I’m sure a movement will soon form with Mr. Longley as the leader and “the non-truth functional domain of the mental/psychological” as its slogan. Arthurdecco will follow in behind as the scold. What they want to accomplish is anybodys’ guess. In the meantime, permit me to go back to not reading 99% of their stuff.”

      Note how it is impossible to ascertain what is true or false in much of the above? Note, my comments on feminized brain behaviour generally refer to observable verbal behaviours, e.g. those posted to this blog. Note how what is written by Flynn is emotional, hyperbolic, and self-centred? It is about feelings i.e limbic level behaviours. It is not about the world and what is done, what is shared and collective, but what is private and contentious. It is about how one imagines someone might feel about something. Nothing can be done to stop ‘Flynn’ from reading and nobody can know whether ‘Flynn’ does read or does not read just going by what Flynn asserts or denies. That is why such posts are nonsense. Much of what’s posted here is of that ilk, probably for want of knowing how to do anything different. What we see is just a form of mutual/self emotional stimulation. It’s how most female-brained people behave. They emote a lot, they don’t rationally discuss, they find that ‘boring’.

      Such people’s behaviour is anathema to building anything sustainable, or regulating anything. One can’t reason with such behaviour, as reason (logic which is in fact computation) is not its domain. Look through history for female engineers, scientists, builders etc. They are very rare. Some males have feminized brains we are slowly discovering. Might it be a good idea to keep them out of some professions or trades where building is required? Might some field them them to subvert (think Public Services)? These people could do other things perhaps? Often they do. They behave much like women though. Note how many Human Rights lawyers nd activists are females these days?

      China does not have a lot of women in government.

      Deng Xiaoping was a short stature man (cf NCAH). He also introduced NEP like market-reforms. He also had some affinity for Trotskyism. Most of China’s leaders are engineers.

  24. mark's Gravatar mark
    February 26, 2011 - 1:17 pm | Permalink

    James said on February 26, 2011 – 12:18 pm

    “Women are our equals and more.”

    How are they more our equals? Can you explain that?

    “Their roles in a healthy White society are a point of contention,”

    No, their roles are not a point of contention. A woman’s role in a healthy, folkish White society is to be the bearer of healthy White children and later in their lives to mentor the younger women to do likewise. That is how women achieve greatness.

    “but surely there is no serious debate on whether they should have equal “rights”.

    Yes, you are right here—there is no serious debate. Women should not have equal legal rights. As anyone can see, the legal rights that women have been given in the last 50 years have greatly damaged the White birthrate and the relations between the sexes. Most if not all of that can be laid at the feet of the Jewish troublemakers. We have a lot of work to do to reverse that damage.

    • Dave's Gravatar Dave
      February 26, 2011 - 2:12 pm | Permalink

      @Mark: thanks for doing some of the work. I got discouraged yesterday.

  25. mark's Gravatar mark
    February 26, 2011 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    European said on February 25, 2011 – 1:59 pm

    “I am not a feminist of your mentality, but I do believe in equal rights for woman.”

    If you believe in equal rights for women you are a feminist. That belief is a Marxist/feminist belief. Do you also believe in equal rights for Negroes, Mexicans and queers? Were you in favor of the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA)? If not, why not?

    “And if whites are losing out, it is because men have ruled for the last millenia and destroyed the white race.”

    That, too, is a feminist belief.

    “White woman ask themselves the question, especially after WWII: Why bring chidren into this world, to be killed off by the power plays of polititions, and their ego?”

    And what White women are those? Any evidence for that? And what about that big baby boom right after WWII?

    Woman built the countries up after every war, and realized in the process that they are just as talented as men are…..”

    Any building women did was at the direction of men using male brainpower and after having been very carefully trained by White men. Can you name any female mathematicians, astronomers, philosophers or great architects?

    “Are your egos sooo small that you can not let your woman be great.?”

    Our egos are what they are, a product nature. Women who don’t or can’t understand that end up bitter and raising their kids alone.

    I know that you disparately want to bring all of these “rights” with you from this egalitarian society into a future White society,. I see this same thing now and then on White Nationalist fora. But you won’t be able to do that. There are no racially oriented White societies I can think of that had equal rights for women as one its goals. There won’t be any in the future either.

    • February 26, 2011 - 12:18 pm | Permalink

      Women are our equals and more. Their roles in a healthy White society are a point of contention, they ought to focus more on child rearing, but surely there is no serious debate on whether they should have equal “rights”.

      Cherishing our women is one of the things that defines European derived societies and elevates us above the barbarism of Islam or sub-Saharan Africa.

    • February 26, 2011 - 12:35 pm | Permalink

      James February 26, 2011 – 12:18 pm

      “Cherishing our women is one of the things that defines European derived societies and elevates us above the barbarism of Islam or sub-Saharan Africa.”

      Which bit of Libertarian populations are dying out (i.e are biologically unfit) whilst non Libertarian populations (e.g Islamic) are thriving (i.e are biologically fit) do you have difficulty grasping?

  26. DMK's Gravatar DMK
    February 26, 2011 - 10:36 am | Permalink

    Tone and style always trumps facts and figures. Kelso has a non threatening, likeable, easy going demeanor, that is sorely missing in the so called “white movement” or whatever you want to call it. They won’t remember half the things that came out of Jamie’s mouth, but they will probably say to themselves; hey, that Kelso was a pretty decent dude, and now that I think about it, ya, what he said made some sense.

    • February 26, 2011 - 11:27 am | Permalink

      DMK February 26, 2011 – 10:36 am

      “Tone and style always trumps facts and figures.”

      Particularly in Libertarian idiocracies where populism, narcissism and dysgenesis prevail masquerading as freedom and democracy.

      “Kelso has a non threatening, likeable, easy going demeanor, that is sorely missing in the so called “white movement” or whatever you want to call it. They won’t remember half the things that came out of Jamie’s mouth, but they will probably say to themselves; hey, that Kelso was a pretty decent dude, and now that I think about it, ya, what he said made some sense.”

      Then they’ll go back to pursuing their short-term materialistic self-centred/interested and ultimately self-destructive Faustian Pacts. They’ll even discuss these ‘interesting matters’ in private once in a while, even agreeing with many of the main points. They’ll come out with statements like “‘but what can I do about it though?”

      Personal, private behaviour doesn’t materially matter much in Libertarian life, just consumerism. That’s why we’re free to think what we like. It’s because none of it makes any difference. It might sell a few articles/books/speeches and other merchandise though.

      But is it any more than anarchistic, merchandizing? Emotive luftgebaude. See websites like Alex Jones, Glenn Beck and many others.

  27. Mr. Z's Gravatar Mr. Z
    February 26, 2011 - 8:37 am | Permalink

    That scumbag with his try-hard trendy beard, his try-hard act, and his strategy to seek out extra numbers to help him confront an already physically older opponent rather than debate him on points, is enough to send me into the camp of the misanthropes.

    More so because, as has been said by many here, Mr. Kelso went to the house of shills.

    Any assembly of modern politics which would not be banned, must be accepted by the status quo.

    And the status quo is anti-white.

    • February 26, 2011 - 10:08 am | Permalink

      I’ve said it before, but will say it again: Look up John Rawls and his ‘Veil of Ignorance’ and ‘Difference Principle’. Then try to find the chapter by John Rawls on the influence of Burton Dreben entitled ‘Afterword: A Reminiscence’, in Juliet Floyd and Shieh Sanford. ( eds) Future Pasts: The Analytic Tradition in Twentieth-Century Philosophy.

      Cui Bono?
      .

  28. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 26, 2011 - 7:50 am | Permalink

    Look at this article in the Houston Chronicle about Texas Demographics. This is the kind of thing we need to be highlighting to friends and family and to the public in general. The demographer says that Anglos are finished in Texas.

    And, if the racial angle bothers your more sensitive friends, note what he says about the impact on education and income. Due to these demographic changes, Texas will have 30% without a high school education by 2040 and average household income will be $6500 less than it was in the year 200! These changes are coming more rapidly than anyone excepts.

    http://blogs.chron.com/texaspolitics/archives/2011/02/texas_demograph.html

  29. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 26, 2011 - 5:38 am | Permalink

    Just heard Geraldo Rivera commenting on possible anti-Semitic remarks by Charlie Sheen. Geraldo (who of course is Jewish – real name Jerry Rivers) said that Charlie is in real trouble now. Geraldo said that Hollywood had forgiven him for everything else up until now, including beating up women. The reason Sheen is in trouble now?

    Per Geraldo, you can beat women all you want in Hollywood, but if you are anti-Semetic, you are finished. LOL. That is an admission of just how Jewish Hollywood and the media are.

    • February 26, 2011 - 6:53 am | Permalink

      It’s funny that all Sheen did was call hack sitcom writer/creator Chuck Lorre by the Jewish version of his name.

      Evidently Chuck Lorre’s Rabbi is also anti-semitic.

  30. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    February 26, 2011 - 2:23 am | Permalink

    One of the thnings I have talked about before is experience. Many people here, including Macdonald, have no experience. The man that went to CPAC had no real experince of debates. This happens when marginalized groups are taking on an orthodoxy. Because they are not allowed to openly express themselves thay become cought in their own group. Thats why many White Nationalist do bad whenever they get into debates. Their arguments tend to be fragmented and they don’t know the audience well. Religious minorities tend to have this problem. They don’t develop themselves and when they get the chance to express themselves in public they shoot themselves in the foot.

    But Macdonald is hard headed somewhat. So he probably won’t listen. He will continue to write for Nationalist prints and surround himself by like minded individuals. He should be out there debating Musims and Jews and Africans. Where he can get experinece. Experince comes from debates. Arguments like immigrants will detsroy us and sooner or later Whites will realize this and become Nationalist is simplistic. So I don’t see this movement maturing yet. Why can’t the A3p star debates with African Americangroups or with Arab groups. They will grow more as they get challenged and learn to be more precise. You only get a few minites on national media to show yourself. That will always determine whether wou wll get a seat at the table. Assuming things will happen in the future is a wate of time. As we clearly saw in Egypt and Libya, the futue is not ours to see. Who would have thought?

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 26, 2011 - 4:59 am | Permalink

      I would say it’s too early to go retail on politics. You first have to first develop a set of ideas and ideology that can convince enough Whites to go against all they have been taught. And a way of approaching Whites has to be developed.

      In fact, although I wish the A3P well, I think it is too soon to hope Whites will rally around anything explicitly based on their interests.

    • Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
      February 26, 2011 - 6:01 am | Permalink

      Bigmo – You make some good points but what you say about Kevin Macdonald is incorrect because you don’t seem to be taking account of who his intended audience is. It is me. It is (presumably) you. It is people who are at that stage of already knowing much of what he says is true but need to see it confirmed. What he shows is that it can be confirmed in hard scientific discipline in peer reviewed journals.
      Over to the good points that you make. You are absolutely on the money that right now the people who attempt public action are behaving the same way as weird religious sects or something. Almost as if the words and terminology of this guy on the video are crafted for the white nationalist audience to be able to understand when they watch it later. For us to sit there and coo at his martyrdom and courage in being trampled by the hapless public who know not what they say. It’s like pairs of Jehovah’s Witness coming to my door. They aren’t saying anything to convince me, they are more saying something to convince oneanother of whatever it was they had been saying about the likes of me before they rang the doorbell.
      This really is a good point that you make. Also that Jason Speaks makes below. It could be that action needs to be more crafted to the audience.
      But thinking about it, on the other hand, any movment that shifts public opinion over time has to happen at multiple levels. I do need to see things like this CPAC movie so I can be shocked, dismayed, but ultimately steeled by the reminder of the mountain ahead to climb. I definitely need a figure like KM to reassure me all the things I perceive are not because I am somehow insane. It’s all needed.
      But we need much more of the subtle stuff. Subtle stuff is where a WN commits him/her self to a given strategy and in so doing forsakes the comforts of mutual support from the WN movement. It might involve ‘standing’ for ambiguous things that many WN would fail to see the value of in terms of ‘what is good for the whites’. It’s going to take sacrifices from people in this sense.

    • Mr. Z's Gravatar Mr. Z
      February 26, 2011 - 8:51 am | Permalink

      Your belief in democratic ideals is flawed. They are tailor made to divide & conquer.

      You didn’t see the NSDAP debating, did you?

      The only ‘debate’ was around the takeover of power, when it was unavoidable in the Reichstag to debate the SPD.

      Now, before all of you ‘oh no, he’s talking about NS, that’s dead’ types sit on your whoopie cushions and make noise, please draw the overall conclusion of a historical lesson repeated many times over aside from NS.

      That conclusion is that you do not give room to the current authority to put you in a position to make you look ugly.

      And more particularly in such a media-pervasive time as today, where the sheer power of influencing the non-thinking masses is readily available, and all you have to do IS willingly debate them for them to make you be blown out.

      Stick to statements, speeches, never give the enemy an inch. NEVER advocate this democratic lie which opens the doors to aliens who practice usury, who will readily pick from among the group they attack for the finest shills who will pose as benevolent group members while they sell everyone out.

      Debates are divide and conquer. We must be the leaders. We must have power. We open the door to none of these shills to speak their voice in our midst, because they are not worthy. They have done enough damage, and our people must know we give them nothing, except the opportunity to abandon their mislead views and join us.

  31. Tenrek Odine's Gravatar Tenrek Odine
    February 26, 2011 - 12:16 am | Permalink

    Back to the article…

    ‘This devotion to abstractions by White people has its limits. It’s one thing to see it in a more or less racially homogeneous society and when you are not personally threatened, but its another thing when its obvious that the abstractions are leading to a nightmare for Whites. Whites are indeed the most individualistic people on Earth but I do think that we will become more group-oriented and less mindlessly principled when the threats are obvious to everyone.’

    Devils advocate:

    Some of the people who are going to experience the nightmare first are going to be White liberal politicians who can no longer get elected because the people of color would rather vote for one of their own!!

    There has been a recent trend of White liberal democrat politicans injecting Race into their discourse.

    1.) Hillary Clinton mentions support from “White Americans” ( ‘Hillary Clinton boasts of support from “white Americans”‘ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfidftLe5Z0 )

    2.) Howard Dean announces “I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks”

    3.) Sen. Jim Webb writes uber-controversial anti-Affirmative Action editorial titled “Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege” for the Wall Street Journal.

    Is it of supreme irony that perhaps White liberal politicans of the Democrat party may re-normalize explicit White Advocacy all in an attempt to simply survive electorally by staving off other Identity Politics group-lets?????

    • remain's Gravatar remain
      February 26, 2011 - 3:46 am | Permalink

      Jim Webb has called it quits. He announced he won’t run for reelection and is returning to the private sector.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 26, 2011 - 5:04 am | Permalink

      I admire Jim Webb for writing that article, but from what I understand such proposals have been made before, and they never go anywhere. The reason? There is no money in it. Affirmative Action based on race is what pays. So good for Senator Webb, but I doubt it represents some dramatic change in the Democratic party.

      But I wish anyone trying to bring sanity to our political system well.

    • February 26, 2011 - 6:26 am | Permalink

      Jim Webb did write a controversial op-ed on Affirmative Action.

      At the same time he had an unfortunate habit in the Senate of not voting exactly the way you’d expect someone with the best interests of white people at heart to:

      http://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/1211/reportcard/RECENT/

    • February 26, 2011 - 6:43 am | Permalink

      The reason? There is no money in it. Affirmative Action based on race is what pays.

      Jason,

      I don’t quite follow you.

      Affirmative Action is doing very real harm to our economy. The only reason Corporations go along with it is that they’re afraid of getting sued and/or because they’re run by racial masochists.

      I guess supporting Affirmative Action may pay off in terms of votes if non-White voters support it more on average than the average White voter opposes it.

      But wait! Whites are still a strong majority of voters, so that doesn’t necessarily follow.

      In any event, I agree that the Webb’s op-ed doesn’t represent a sea change in the Democratic Party’s stance toward Affirmative Action.

      The thing to understand is that as long as the Republicans are run by people who refuse to do anything for Whites, while also engaging in a somewhat rabid war on the white working class, the Democrats don’t need to change their ways because enough Whites will vote for them as the lesser of two evils.

      Just look what’s happening in Wisconsin. The Republicans are trying to crush the overwhelmingly White state employee unions.

      Never mind that the unions offered to have their benefits cut enough to balance the budget, the Republican governor just won’t settle for anything less than stripping them of collective bargaining power, leaving them completely helpless over the long term and likely to lose their middle class standard of living.

      This is the kind of idiocy which explains why Democrats can be so anti-White in a lot of their policies, but still have enough Whites vote for them that they can stay competitive with the Republicans.

    • Tenrek Odine's Gravatar Tenrek Odine
      February 26, 2011 - 7:13 am | Permalink

      ‘He announced he won’t run for reelection and is returning to the private sector.’

      Don’t believe everything you hear!

      Sen. Jim Webb may just be resigning to set him self up to be a primary challenger to Obama. Especially if Hillary doesn’t enter the Race.

    • Scooter's Gravatar Scooter
      February 26, 2011 - 2:52 pm | Permalink

      Tenrek:

      I personally love it when liberal democrats lose to minority politicians. It serves them right for destroying our country with affirmative action and immigration. I also love it when liberal jerks lose their jobs to minorities, and hopefully have to stand in line down at the unemployment line, and a minority supervisor lets minorities cut in front of them. Then they will realize their own stupidity and fight back.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 26, 2011 - 4:52 pm | Permalink

      Renigald,

      When I say Affirmative Action pays, I mean it pays for the race hustlers and the recipients of preferential treatment. It certainly isn’t good for the economy overall. I agree Affirmative Action, if we had to have it, makes more sense on an economic or class basis (which would include poor Whites), but it’s much harder for that to get political traction compared to basing it on ethnic or racial groups.

      I think Whites would be shocked to learn how much they lose due to AA and related programs. Not only to blacks and Hispanics get jobs they aren’t qualified for, but because Indians (from India) are designated as Asian, they get preferential treatment for things like SBA loans.

      Another example of Big Government distorting the market to hurt Whites and harm the economy overall.

    • February 27, 2011 - 5:12 pm | Permalink

      Jason Speaks February 26, 2011 – 4:52 pm

      When I say Affirmative Action pays, I mean it pays for the race hustlers and the recipients of preferential treatment. It certainly isn’t good for the economy overall.”

      You live in a Libertarian-Democracy. The leaders of these lead banks and large corporations. They don’t care about nation states or protectionism. They are internationalists i.e. cosmopolitans (see Goldman-Sachs, MacDonalds, Wall-Mart, Coca-Cola etc). They care about their own economies, not the national economy. When they get into trouble they make the locals bail them out if they can, usually by stripping what is left of Public Services/assets or incresing taxes. They care about their shareholders, who are international. They care about fiduciary duty, not their nation’s people, except to the extent that this damages their consumer market. Affirmative action and racial conflict is good for their business. They don’t care who works for them so long as they increase their market share/profit. You do not live in a socialist state/society/nation.

  32. Patrick's Gravatar Patrick
    February 25, 2011 - 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Kevin McDonald

    Eactly how is “the hard working educated nonwhite immigrant ok argument” in any way a more powerfull argument? This experiment has already been performed. And the results of the experiment have been nothing less than extreme economic terror for thousands of Native Born White American families. Of course, I am refering to the importation of legal Asian immigrants. You seem to be indifferent to this massive suffering..suffering that it is a direct consequence of a low levels of Asian immigration in the 1960s and 1970s. I detect a soft spot in your heart for the skilled legal immigrant asian.

    I have ranted here and other places about Asian legal immigration because of the damge that was done to my Irish Catholic family. You may want to have a look at my recent post over at AmRem in the Sen Mike Honda thread. You concede way to much to immigration enthuiasts.

    Jamie Kelso should have gone in better prepared. The Republican yuppies he debated hate their own racial kind..and this is what Jamie should have said. He should have asked them what they think the consequences will be for them and the Republican party as Native Born White Americans rebel on a much greater scale than they are now..which they surely will. In effect, he would be reading them the riot act. What will they do when the revolt against race-replacement goes full-blown. No doubt this Repub yuppies are in favor of full amnesty. One would have to be completetly brain dead not to understand the obvious:that amnesty-earned citizenship, would siesmically transform the political landscape and with 100 percent probabilty-in a very short period of time-trigger a full-blown race war. This is how you frame the issue for the Repub yuppies.

  33. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 25, 2011 - 9:09 pm | Permalink

    I would agree with whomever suggested we shut down the comments section by the way, until we can figure out how to filter out the trolls.

    • Jacob C.'s Gravatar Jacob C.
      February 25, 2011 - 10:13 pm | Permalink

      The popularity of this website seems to be expanding immensely on a day-to-day basis. At least from the perspective of an outside (previously non-participating) white observer. No matter what the outcome it seems to be good.

      God bless..

    • Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
      February 25, 2011 - 10:13 pm | Permalink

      The people who keep D.L. going are the people who mention him in almost every post they make. He’s only half the problem; the other half is the ones who continually feed him attention. If something isn’t changed we might as well call it the Longley Blog.

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 26, 2011 - 12:08 am | Permalink

      “I would agree with whomever suggested we shut down the comments section by the way, until we can figure out how to filter out the trolls.” Jason Speaks

      Jason, you’re too nervous and cowardly to pretend anymore to be an advocate for White interests.

      Your latest screech and Whiteawake’s supportive comments of your nasty nastiness fill me with despair!

      Are you the Foot Soldiers of our movement?!?! Are you cretins all we’re left with?!?!

      If so, the Jews who designed our educational system have won their battle against us, haven’t they?

    • February 26, 2011 - 8:16 am | Permalink

      Whiteawake February 25, 2011 – 10:13 pm

      “The people who keep D.L. going are the people who mention him in almost every post they make. He’s only half the problem; the other half is the ones who continually feed him attention. If something isn’t changed we might as well call it the Longley Blog.”

      There could be a problem there if I am right. Can you see how it could work to your disadvantage to shut me up if you are really interested in White Gentiles? If you are not (and note it applies to White secular Jewish people too, the very ones most here seem to hate), you will continue of course.

      There is no doubt that White Europeans (including secular Jews note) are in trouble in terms of non replacement level birth-rates. But note, so are the Japanese and many other East Asian Tiger Economy, Libertarian populations.

      What you need to focus upon (if you are not a subversive) is what’s driving this demise whist other populations under different political-economic systems (cf. Islam) biologically thrive.

      Biological fitness refers to reproduction rate. We, as a group (i.e political group), are thus biological unfit. The only thing which will help these populations is to reverse the drivers which have led to this dysgenic, Differential Fertility.

      I have suggested, from looking at global data, that the main driver is Libertarianism, not Jewish people.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 27, 2011 - 4:09 am | Permalink

      arthurdecco, everyone who is not a troll seems willing to shut the comments section down until there is a stronger filter …. everyone but you … why is that?

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 27, 2011 - 11:30 am | Permalink

      Jason Speaks said: “arthurdecco, everyone who is not a troll seems willing to shut the comments section down until there is a stronger filter …. everyone but you … why is that?”

      I have answered that question more times than I can count so I’ll just cut and paste some of my earlier comments on the subject of fear-driven censorship, okay? Maybe this time you can try moving your lips while reading out loud. It can’t hurt.

      “…you’re as functionally illiterate as the minority of the posters here who brag about hitting the thumbs down button without even reading what Mr. Longley has to contribute because, in their opinion he’s not discussing White Power and the (very real) perfidious influence of Jews in our society with every breath he takes.

      I equate their bragging about not wanting to be exposed to new ideas to their lack of reading comprehension skills and their failure through no fault of their own to receive even a basic education in critical thinking. Of course then there’s the fact that most of them appear to be afflicted with the group-think curse of conformity that infects nearly all fear-filled and unimaginative people.”

      …and then there’s this:

      “You have confused my defence of Mr. Longley’s right to stand up and be counted with friendship or even fandom…
      Mr. Longley’s comments certainly have as much right to be read as your disingenuous and dishonest posts do, don’t you think?”

      Now for the last time, that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.

    • February 27, 2011 - 4:22 pm | Permalink

      Jason Speaks February 27, 2011 – 4:09 am

      “arthurdecco, everyone who is not a troll seems willing to shut the comments section down until there is a stronger filter …. everyone but you … why is that?”

      The consequences/outcome of such systematic censorship is to render rational, evidence material less publicity to search engines whilst leaving easily disreputable, often overtly offensive and racist commentary more salient and thus easier to associate with this blog and thereby discredit it on the Internet.

      That is the consequence. It engineers an obvious bias.

  34. Alexander's Gravatar Alexander
    February 25, 2011 - 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Interesting comments from a few readers on the divisiveness of Christianity and lets not forget that only began with the land grab we call the Reformation. And what better way to conquer a people than to separate them from their God.

  35. GT's Gravatar GT
    February 25, 2011 - 8:31 pm | Permalink

    This was just another potty publicity stunt by Kelso. Undoubtedly Regnery et al, the conservative Godfathers of Wnism and their sycophants down the chain, put Kelso up to it. You can see what passes as serious thought among these guys: “we gotta be players there (at CPAC)!”

    CPAC and the “conservative activist” milieu is the only reality that exists for the geezer godfathers of WNism. They know nothing else but the failed John Birch Society and the duplicitous National Review of William F. Buckley’s day, and they know no one outside it. And they lack the imagination, energy, remaining years, or mental flexibility to try anything else. So they will continue trying to hammer round pegs into square and triangular holes.

    I, along with many others, know they will fail. Above all else, Agent Buckley’s handlers designed these faux organizations of conservative “opposition” specifically to rupture the white racial solidarity the geezer Godfathers of WNism are now trying to awaken on the Internet. That was their first real purpose. Unfortunately this fact will not sway the fading geezers of WNism. They will continue to play the game as it has been done for the past 50 years.

    Better Kelso had taken his message to half-drunk white working men at the local dive bar, or to off-duty firemen and police, or to electricians, machinists, welders, auto mechanics, and plumbers. More than one successful movement in this country and Europe has been started with such a grass roots local emphasis. This point is not even debatable (sorry to disappoint, fender_strat).

    Insanity is repeating the same failed stratagem over and over again. My kids and grandchildren can’t afford another 50 years of failure.

  36. Scooter's Gravatar Scooter
    February 25, 2011 - 8:02 pm | Permalink

    David Longley February 25, 2011 – 4:17 pm | Permalink “I don’t hate no cat, but them darkies are a bloody nightmare.
    Am away out for a bottle of cider and some digestive biscuits, Deal or no deal is on in 15 minutes.
    One love”
    I agree he didn’t write that – below is more his style:

    “Most have a vested interest in keeping their jobs and/or pursuing careers. Violating equalitarian precepts today spells the end of a career. See also the predatory lending covered elsewhere. Anti-racism/sexism has been good for the money-supply (and short-term brokerage commissions).”

    Once again you are trumpeting the equalitarian precepts. Who is the useful idiot now?
    Black people accepting a loan and not paying it back is not predatory lending – it is standard operating procedure. Loan some money to a black guy and find out for yourself. I had to repo many a car from those scalawags not paying their debts.
    Ask a repo man who gives him the most trouble – well out of proportion to their population – negroes!
    Good thing I don’t have a job to keep anymore!

    • February 26, 2011 - 7:51 am | Permalink

      Scooter February 25, 2011 – 8:02 pm

      “Once again you are trumpeting the equalitarian precepts. Who is the useful idiot now?”

      No, Look more closely. I am accurately describing the behaviours observed. That is empirical observation, analysis and reporting. This, plus explication of the contingencies which shape/control behaviour is the very nature of the empirical science of Behavior Analysis. You still do not understand this. It is not as simple as it may first seem to some, which is why I have said this takes a long time to settle, and why most psychologists get it hopelessly wrong. Some mistakenly think it too simple. It is not. See Herrnstein 1990. See Credit Crunch. Give yourself a few weeks, months on this at least… If you don’t you’ll miss most of it. I have been doing this many years and have been told I make it look simple.

      “Black people accepting a loan and not paying it back is not predatory lending – it is standard operating procedure. Loan some money to a black guy and find out for yourself. I had to repo many a car from those scalawags not paying their debts.”

      It is not just Some(Black_People) though. What one has to look at more closely is that when those predatory loans were made, the loan (debt) was subsequently sold on, and securitized. The brokers had made their money, as had those selling on the debt as a tranch of securities (well before the first payment was due probably, certainly before the ARM interest hike kicked in). The borrower was/is just a means to make money elsewhere. It suited the broker and investment bank to make out that those with low IQ were all the same and able to make an informed choice. Hence the Political Correctness of right-wing Libertarians and their language of freedom, choice etc.

      “Ask a repo man who gives him the most trouble – well out of proportion to their population – negroes! Good thing I don’t have a job to keep anymore!”

      That was not where the big game was being played. It was played higher up (later on) in the money-supply chain where the toxic debt was sold on for profit once securitised (cut and diced). The poorly educated, i.e child-like were used, i.e abused. You have to see poorly educable people as being child-like. That does not necessarily mean likeable. People with narcissistic entitlement are often very unlikable. That does not make them any less child-like and easily taken advantage of. But note, if it is genetic, they can’t help it. That is where talk of responsibility etc is most egregious. It tries to justify exploitation in terms of ‘just deserts’ – i.e they were asking for it, they were lazy, stupid etc.

      Whist there is merit in looking for different gene frequencies and behaviours in groups epidemiologically, one has to learn how and why Some(x)=Not(All(x)) and All(x)=Not(Some(x)) and that Some(x)=At_Least_One(x). – i.e one has to learn the language of probability and science.

  37. henry baxley's Gravatar henry baxley
    February 25, 2011 - 7:27 pm | Permalink

    At least he is offering an educated opinion as to why, (and how) white people are self-destructing. I am not yet convinced of his view in total, but it certainly sounds better than the old “The omnipotent Jew has hypnotized everyone on earth except me and a few extraordinarily resistant fellow whites”

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 25, 2011 - 6:53 pm | Permalink

      He is not offering an educated view and you should know that. It’s already been dismissed by everyone serious who has looked at it. If Longley was a serious “intellectual” he would be getting published in journals or writing papers. Or least set up his own blog.

      He is driven to disrupt this site instead with amateurish posts.

    • fender_strat's Gravatar fender_strat
      February 25, 2011 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

      Longley’s obsession with libertarianism is misguided, as it’s precisely the state that is enforcing multiculturalism. The US and EU are both Jewish-controlled entities and that’s why they are experiencing massive third-world immigration. It sure as hell isn’t the people who are calling for it.

      Would a socialist government free from Jewish control work better than a libertarian government? Absolutely. Unfortunately there are no European socialist governments that aren’t under Jewish control, so the point is moot.

    • henry baxley's Gravatar henry baxley
      February 25, 2011 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

      European:
      I don’t understand what you are saying. You think I want women to suffer? what?

    • February 26, 2011 - 6:33 am | Permalink

      fender_strat February 25, 2011 – 7:09 pm

      “Longley’s obsession with libertarianism is misguided, as it’s precisely the state that is enforcing multiculturalism. The US and EU are both Jewish-controlled entities and that’s why they are experiencing massive third-world immigration. It sure as hell isn’t the people who are calling for it.”

      It is not an obsession. The above comment from you is factually ill-informed, if not a little ‘paranoid’. I will explain why, and the objective is not to humiliate or be hurtful. It is mean to to be helpful.

      We live in Libertarian-Democracies, probably on different sides of the Atlantic. These are Representative Democracies in that people vote for candidate politicians (as members of parties usually) to represent them as their government. These politicians then have Bills drafted which are then voted on by politicians (elected by the people note). If the number of votes against a Bill is greater than the number of votes for, the Bill does not become an Act, i.e it does not become law. We are nations of laws. That is how our politics works. In Libertarian politics these laws tend to operate to keep the state weak, giving freedom to business and markets to determine value. That can be, and is done via passing and refining laws. These manage the behaviours of citizens (including those in Public Office).

      Jewish people comprise about 2% of the US population and about half a percent of the UK population. Jews are indeed over-represented in the legislature in both the USA and UK (and there are all sorts of reasons for that which I have tried to bring out in comments over recent weeks, and it is a flaw in the Libertarian systems played to their advantage quite legally), but not to the extent that they 100% control government. They don’t need to for reasons I have explained. They are beneficiaries of Libertarian anarchism. They may help shape legislation in directions which they think serves their interests as any self-interested group is inclined to do, and whilst far from ideal, it is a ‘feature’ which Libertarian/anarchistic systems are prone to, but note, one has to accept that a lot more non-Jewish people indirectly, and directly, vote for this legislation. That is the Libertarian system. So, we can’t just blame Jewish people. It’s just a basic error to do so. It isn’t bad, it’s just false. If it could be blamed all one any one group, it would definitely simply matters. But alas, it’s not that simple. :-(

      “Would a socialist government free from Jewish control work better than a libertarian government? Absolutely. Unfortunately there are no European socialist governments that aren’t under Jewish control, so the point is moot.”

      Europe does not have socialist governments. The EU like the USA waged an expensive Cold War for decades against socialism (USSR and Warsaw Pact) after WWII and claimed to have won the war in 1989! Today we see the last vestiges of the Public Sector being sold off i.e privatised in the wake of the Credit Crunch which was a Libertarian ‘phenomenon’. Europe was hardly likely to have socialist governments domestically given the USA and they were at (Cold) war with them abroad, were they? Think about it. Those that made out that they were socialist were more Trotskyite, Social-Democratic forms of Libertarianism. They were faux-socialist. See the link to the Stalin speech on Trotskyites as wreckers and double-dealers in the 1930s.

      Earlier, Someday made a remark. Consider this:

      Someday February 25, 2011 – 5:35 pm
      “Unfortunately the most intelligent people have inate difficulty in seeing what’s going on. It’s like the high proportion of really clever people who wear glasses(ie there is a genetic link between bad eyesight and being brainy).”

      Most have a vested interest in keeping their jobs and/or pursuing careers. Violating equalitarian precepts today spells the end of a career. See also the predatory lending covered elsewhere. Anti-racism/sexism has been good for the money-supply (and short-term brokerage commissions).

      “A working class person will often understand what is going on instinctively; they have the mental machinery. Very few people from an upper middle class background can think in terms of collective ethnic identities. They just don’t get it.”

      On the contrary, many ‘working class’ people will have been seduced into erroneously thinking that everyone is the same and can afford to borrow etc. They have poor verbal and numeracy skills. Many in the more educable classes have just kept quiet or opposed talk of race (as did the Conservative/Libertarian student aged people in the video above) because they see behaviour to the contrary being punished, i.e. as bad for their careers. There are laws (i.e legislation) governing their own and their potential employers’ behaviours.

      This may spoil some of your fun here, but you need to take these facts of life on board I suggest if you are happy to be taken for a ride. Cui bono

    • fender_strat's Gravatar fender_strat
      February 26, 2011 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

      Longley:

      We do live in representative democracies but when the only people who are allowed to run for office are the ones who tow the Jewish line, there’s not much room for any kind of real choice there. All representation is Jewish representation, because the only people who are capable of being elected are those with Jewish money behind them.

      Nothing in this world happens without financial power. Jews own something like 25% of the wealth in America. The wealth determines who rules, nothing else. All major newspapers and media companies are Jewish-owned. The media formulates public opinion. All the media needs to do is formulate the political narrative, and then Jewish money can fund whichever candidate follows that narrative the best.

      Again, you’re too hung up on ideologies and theories. Jews do what’s good for themselves regardless of the economic or political theory. Whites can prosper in any kind of government or economic system as long as they too behave in an ethnocentric, exclusive fashion that it immune to outside criticism.

    • February 26, 2011 - 4:28 pm | Permalink

      “Whites can prosper in any kind of government or economic system as long as they too behave in an ethnocentric, exclusive fashion that it immune to outside criticism.”

      That reads like a formula for double the trouble (as I’m sure I’ve pointed out before).

  38. Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
    February 25, 2011 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know about the rest of you guys but I have a real problem with myself about all this. Because my first contact with a group was with a Great White Leader for whom I briefly worked at age 17, and who, by his own casual confession turned out to be a snake only interested in the money he could make off the movement, I became forever after unwilling to join any group. I’ve done maybe more than my share of cussin’ race-mixing as an individual, but what has it really amounted to? Probably nothing, or very little more.
    So at this point I’m feeling pretty guilty. Sitting here crying with you guys passes the time but I’d like to do just a little bit more. To finally get to the point, I’m wondering what the rest of you guys are doing; anything to make a difference you’d care to mention?

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 26, 2011 - 5:09 am | Permalink

      I think we need to get clear on what making a difference would be. I think there are things we can do in our personal lives that make some difference (letting others know that worrying about the plight of Whites in America is normal, for example)..

      What other routine acts would be helpful? Calling congressman and letting them know that Whites want to be represented as a group too? I think that is a good idea but people should be aware that logs of who called will be kept. Maybe contacting both political parties and telling them we want illegal immigration stopped NOW would be a good start.

  39. henry baxley's Gravatar henry baxley
    February 25, 2011 - 6:07 pm | Permalink

    Christianity……in the digital age….. is a dagger in the heart to ALL working people, and to white people in particular because it is an ideology/philosophy/religion based on the false God of Abraham. The problem with worshipping false gods….In 2011….is they no longer serve the survival interests of the “believers”

    First, Christianity is Jewish (Jesus was literally, according to the bible, the illigitimate (illegal) child of a Jew)
    Thus it is not surprising the vast majority of so-called Christians are loyal to Jews 1st, their nation 2nd, and their race not at all. This includes so-called “Identity Christians” (KKK) Catholics, Protestants, Mormans, and the myriad cults, sects etc. From Jim Jones Peoples Temple to David Koresh in Waco.
    Christians by DEFINITION!…Are the mortal enemies of children everywhere…especially white children again…in the 21st century…
    Five hundred or even two hundred years ago it was OK to invite all to the table, and give to the needy, but that was when the needy were also white, and did not hate us, (before the multicultural explosion)

    2nd; It is custom made for exploitation by Big Brother, manifested in endless fabricated wars, various social engineering scams, excessive tax, Big Brother political cliches straight out of “Nineteen Eighty-Four” such as “God bless America” “freedom” “equality” blah blah blah!
    Note the utter folly of this strange belief system can easily be seen its constantly conflicting implicit messages. ie. “Praise God and pass the ammunition!”
    And the HIPPOCRACY!!! screaming and slobbering about “freedom” with one side of their mouth while AT THE SAME TIME claiming to follow the Ten COMMANDMENTS…..(LAWS…NOT FREE…The Bible does NOT teach, advocate, or tolerate freedom) out the other side of that same mouth!

    Finally, belief in miracles, a personal God that talks to individual people, a “Choosen” people, “Holy” places and things are obviously, demonstrably, and scientifically proven false.
    Anyone with a brain or any common sense can plainly see that the Laws of Natue (scientifically proven fact) trumps the laws of superstition. LET THEM GO BEFORE YOU ARE EXTINCT!!!
    FYI….its not NATURAL for black and white to mix and if people followed their INSTINCTS instead of some religious superstition, they wouldn’t!!!
    3rd;

    • henry baxley's Gravatar henry baxley
      February 25, 2011 - 6:14 pm | Permalink

      Please disregard the (3rd;) at the end of above post :(

  40. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 25, 2011 - 5:56 pm | Permalink

    About Longley

    So hopefully it is clear to all the real visitors to this site that Longley is not for White advocacy or preserving White culture. That is the whole purpose of his massive daily posts.

    What exactly would motivate a man to make literally hundreds of posts per week to undermine a group interested in preserving White culture and White people? He is spending a huge amount of personal time disrupting one of the few sites devoted to helping Whites discuss their issues in an intelligent manner.

    Is it the critique of Jewish influence he finds so objectionable? Is it the preservation of Western civilization? It can not be a mere academic issue with him, because he is now spending significant chunks of his personal time to disrupt our discussions.

    Why?

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 25, 2011 - 11:57 pm | Permalink

      “real visitors”?

      Your fear of Fact is palpable, Jason Squeaks. Your methods of dealing with your fear are despicable. (But then, I haven’t kept my opinion of THAT FACT a secret so far, have I, Squeaky?)

      Wouldn’t it be a better strategy for you to engage your intellectual opponents in a forum that allows you to fully explain your positions while politely listening to theirs?

      You do believe your opinions are strong enough to withstand their criticisms, don’t you, Jason – without having to resort to ad hominums and Make Believe in your attempts to win the argument?

      What’s with this nonsense of suggesting we all ignore the awkward and unpopular opinions that don’t match with what our masters want us to think?

      You don’t work for THEM, do you?

      …Well… do you?

  41. heartofleonidas's Gravatar heartofleonidas
    February 25, 2011 - 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Bump. Great article.

    This particular video has been on my mind lately. It was extremely interesting to notice the behavior interface between the female and males in the room, i.e. it seemed to me the males were definitely trying to get in good with the cute ladies.

    Anyone else ever noticed how effective those of the female gender who have been indoctrinated into implementing feminism in their behavior and attitude leads them to be extremely effective soldiers in the communists army of indoctrinating men (i.e. NO SEX FOR YOU if you don’t agree with the lies of political correctness such as every subspecies (race) being equal)?

    Don’t get me wrong, women are obviously to be cherished, a real woman anyways, not the typical pc lesbo man hater mind you.

    But, I think that there is something to be said for women playing perhaps the biggest role of all in someday destroying the lies of the egalitarians. For now though, most likely the men of the West will continue to disarm their intellects and moral convictions at the alter of the modern day superstitious religious cult known as equality because if they don’t…well, NO SEX FOR YOU TONIGHT OR EVER!!!

    Are women the weaker sex? Perhaps it might be logical to deduce that in terms of sociopolitical debates, most women really are better left to tend to the kitchen.

    I’ll bet that women in the long run, real women (not e.g. the trash like Oprah and Rosie) like perhaps good archetypes like Mrs. June Cleaver, are happier with this more classic arrangement in the long run as well.

    Damn feminists and their ability to divide and conquer!

  42. February 25, 2011 - 4:17 pm | Permalink

    I don’t hate no cat, but them darkies are a bloody nightmare.

    Am away out for a bottle of cider and some digestive biscuits, Deal or no deal is on in 15 minutes.

    One love.

    • February 25, 2011 - 7:15 pm | Permalink

      The above post is an instance of identity theft. I request the site owner removes it.

    • Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
      February 25, 2011 - 7:33 pm | Permalink

      WTF? Longley is Typing While Hammered.

      You’re actually more fun this way…

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 25, 2011 - 11:37 pm | Permalink

      It should be easy as pie for the moderator to determine whether the demented post by the supposed faux David Longley is in fact a fake, as the SECOND, (and obviously, if humourlessly authentic) David Longley claims.

      I gotta feeling there may be something personal in the fact that this comment is still up. Because it doesn’t remotely scan like Mr. Longley’s posts, does it?

    • February 26, 2011 - 4:47 am | Permalink

      clearly the post was a fake.

      “digestive biscuits”

      A clearly feminised biscuit created as a result of libertarian anarchic post hypnotic suggestionism. In fact, I prefer the less Dysgenic Kit Kat.

      “cider”

      Clearly you haven’t done as instructed. Refer to my previous comments. I prefer meths from a brown paper bag.

      Well, “housewives of new jersey” isn’t watching itself and I’ve got some pizza rolls in the oven.

      Peace out.

  43. Dave's Gravatar Dave
    February 25, 2011 - 2:51 pm | Permalink

    @European: I love my own kind. Do you?

    • European's Gravatar European
      February 25, 2011 - 3:40 pm | Permalink

      And who is that?

  44. anne's Gravatar anne
    February 25, 2011 - 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Longly:

    @If our free and Open Societies (I see Popper as another anarchist) are getting more dysgenic through the processes which I have summarised elsewhere (see Lynn in the 1990s for a fuller review of this), and if more ODD/ADD kids (for example) are being born, kids who grow up into NPD/ASPD/BPD/HPD adults, our groups/societies will become more difficult to manage/sustain, especially if we have smaller government, i.e. more DIY anarchism, more ‘freedom’.

    What is the prevalence of these behaviours by ethnicity? Does the ‘White’ group have a much lower, or higher rate of these largely genetic behaviours? The answer seem to be no. Can we make any group free of these behaviours? Probably not…..”

    Surely, you can’t take in-fighting over DMS seriously (other than the idiocy has real effects on real white populations in the world). The overlap of sleazy “research grants” to affirmative action-peopled “universities,” the DSM board and pharm company drug development teams and marketing departments, as well as “therapists” (licensed and unlicensed) and their shrink buds, is enough to make even a person with an IQ of 10 realize the corruption of the whole lot of this, complete with its endless, self-service diagnoses—the circular industry has been outed, written about, the saga of human lives destroyed by it quite immense— from the co-option of grassroots groups s/a “AA” for its purposes, the honed narratives that pathologize the individual so as to sweep SOCIAL REALITY under the rug, and so on.

    Truly, your psychologizing —and with seeming no awareness of the history of psychiatry for thought-control and re-education to produce marxist citizens, nor the massive public resistance from grassroots s/a MindFreedom for anti-drugging (and peopled by kids who grew up being drugged by their parents and society and suffered the horror of it), or The False Memory Syndrome Foundations awareness campaigns, or court case fiascos s/a Rush Northshore Med’s 10miilion out of court settlement for Braun, or the whole history of anti-psych literature from Tsasz to people s/a Maisson or Peter Breggin.

    Everybody else seems to know what’s up with all that. Not going to argue with you, but… why not you? Also, people seem to call you a troll here. Definitely, white interests are not your concern, seems like. So why post?

    • February 25, 2011 - 2:15 pm | Permalink

      “anne February 25, 2011 – 12:36 pm

      “Truly, your psychologizing —and with seeming no awareness of the history of psychiatry for thought-control and re-education to produce marxist citizens, nor the massive public resistance from grassroots s/a MindFreedom for anti-drugging (and peopled by kids who grew up being drugged by their parents and society and suffered the horror of it), or The False Memory Syndrome Foundations awareness campaigns, or court case fiascos s/a Rush Northshore Med’s 10miilion out of court settlement for Braun, or the whole history of anti-psych literature from Tsasz to people s/a Maisson or Peter Breggin.

      Everybody else seems to know what’s up with all that. Not going to argue with you, but… why not you? Also, people seem to call you a troll here. Definitely, white interests are not your concern, seems like. So why post?”

      To educate those who can listen and behave reasonably/respectfully/civilly.

      Why do you take your cue from what most say (usually the poorly informed/educated it would seem) when it’s been pointed out how and why most people have IQs/SATs etc insufficient to get them onto courses, let alone practice, in these areas?

      Your posts are not informative, but opinionated, irrational, argumentative, defiant etc. Do you know the difference, or do you think everything is just a matter of personal opinon?

  45. remain's Gravatar remain
    February 25, 2011 - 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Not just European civilization but all great civilizations were founded by the white Adamic race.

    All the great civilizations were created by whites from Sumer, Egypt, India, the Tarim basin, as far back as we can go up to the present day. White tall blond, red and brown haired mummies with blue eyes wearing PLAID!!! discovered in tomb mounds older than the pyramids in western China. Same with white mummies buried in hills (burial mounds) around Mexico City. Prehistoric white mummies have been found in Florida (the Windovere Bog mummies) and in Grand Canyon caves. Also the mysterious Anastasi of the American SW were white, not to forget Kennewick man on the Columbia River of the Pacific NW. King Tut and Queen Nefretiti (sp?) were white. All this and more is hidden history of the white race actively suppressed by the Boasian Jewish archeologists. Each of these white civilizations were betrayed by treacherous and subversive alien infiltrators living among them who coveted their lands and opened the gates to barbarian invaders. Same as we see happening to white nations today.

    The Israelites of the OT were whites who later formed the European Christian nations. This is why jews hate white European people because white Europeans are the true Israelites. Jews are imposters who are descended of a tribe of criminal Edomites, the MYSTERY Babylon, posing as Israel since the time of King Herod, an Edomite jew who murdered male Israelite babies and Yahshua Christ.

    Yahshua Christ said “those who say they are jews but are not.” They are the serpent seed spoken of by Yahweh in the book of Genesis. All that we’re seeing has been foretold in Revelation. The bible is history and prophecy, our past and future.

    Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Spanish, most of the middle east area was originally white that got ‘browned out’ by invading hordes like we’re seeing repeated in America and Europe. All of these once great white civilizations were overrun and taken over by nonwhites enabled by jews.

    Yahweh is our God and Christianity is our religion. The truth of the bible has been perverted and distorted by the great deceiver Satan, the father of the lies. The jews have no power but what they get from their god Satan, that’s what all the kabbalistic blood sacrifice and voodoo ritual is all about. But Yahweh has power over Satan and Satan’s fate has been sealed.

    White people’s civilizations and nations have repeatedly been invaded and stolen throughout history by the brown races enabled by jews. We have been chased from one corner of the earth to the next. There’s no place left to go. We have no choice but to make a stand.

    This is our history that has been lost–stolen from us like the books raided from the ancient library of Alexandria.

    • Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
      February 25, 2011 - 2:16 pm | Permalink

      Having been born and raised Christian I understand very well that Christians have been brought up to believe that everything and everyone must be brought into the fold. But that attitude shows it’s jewish roots all too well; like the jews who have gone into country after country and immediately started subverting the system to their own kind, a great many Christians cannot accept people making their own choice of belief. Like the communist jews they condemn everyone else.
      But there are two new realities they need to face. First is that more than half of whites are no longer Christian. Second, we’ve been long accustomed to various popes pronouncing the evils of “racism”; even some Baptist churches are now treated to such enlightening fare; certain fundamentalist groups espouse something that is little more than a variant of Marxism.
      Religion is far too serious a matter of personal belief to have it dictated. And in any endeavor involving groups of people every time you add qualifiers you reduce your support. For those who want to save our race, I seriously suggest you focus on that and keep religion out of it; bringing it in will only hurt our cause.

    • February 25, 2011 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

      Whiteawake February 25, 2011 – 2:16 pm

      “Religion is far too serious a matter of personal belief to have it dictated. And in any endeavor involving groups of people every time you add qualifiers you reduce your support. For those who want to save our race, I seriously suggest you focus on that and keep religion out of it; bringing it in will only hurt our cause.”

      Socialist societies tried to discourage religious and other groupings because these amounted to special interest groups which very easily become political parties with their own interests and not those of others. That is anathema to one-party systems of governance (cf China), as classes tend to lead to class/group conflict, nepotism etc. Presumably you can see how given all the concerns expressed here?

      Libertarian systems don’t discourage SIGs, in fact, they actively promote them. See the plethora of Think Tanks, NGOs, Third Sector organisations, businesses, you name it. These keep competition, aka Permanent Revolution, aka conflict, alive and thus keep the regulating state at bay, as all the turmoil is effectively unmanageable.

      Racial conflict is just one of the many tools in the anarchists’ cookbook used to foment class-conflict.

      Practically – can any group in the USA/EU systematically do anything about this given the demographic changes (discussed elsewhere), especially when we have legislation which guarantees immigration whilst protecting immigrants from racial discrimination in any guise?

    • Tenrek Odine's Gravatar Tenrek Odine
      February 25, 2011 - 11:55 pm | Permalink

      I believe in Race, not grace.

  46. JCJ's Gravatar JCJ
    February 25, 2011 - 12:51 pm | Permalink

    “is part of the individualistic heritage that is an ethnic trait of Europeans”

    Nonsense. If such a trait existed Europeans would have self-destructed centuries ago. You’d do better to confine your analysis to class and power. The plain fact is that the left doesn’t dominate because it has exploited a non-existent ethnic trait or has convinced the masses that its ideas are moral, it dominates because it controls the media and doesn’t allow democratic debate; it puts a gun to your head and makes you conform. The only trait among whites that has led us to this point is decadence caused by wealth that causes us to shun even the thought of violent resistance even though we know that the system is closed and that we have absolutely no power within that system that would allow us to counter our being plundered and exterminated.

  47. Dave's Gravatar Dave
    February 25, 2011 - 12:42 pm | Permalink

    @European: Did it ever cross your mind that the positions and advantages that you have been given by the so-called “enlightened liberal feminist regime” are a temporary blood bribe to get you to turn your back on your own kind and to encourage you not to reproduce? As a practical matter, did it ever cross your mind that when there are a sufficient number of college-educated minority women that the positions that had formerly been given to white women will now be given by our cultural marxist masters to minority women? Don’t think this can’t happen? The cultural marxists are laying the ground-work for this with their latest “white privilege” meme saying all whites have benefitted from “white privilege” and should now be asked to sacrifice (or be sacrificed if they don’t willingly comply). Notice “white privilege” doesn’t make distinctions based on sex, so white women presumably will be treated like white men have been treated for forty years (as second class citizens). When the person doling out the affirmative action goodies is no longer someone like your dad or grand-dad what guarantee do you have that the goodie won’t be given to some minority female? Your current favored position as “vindictive red queen” depends on the maintenance of the regime – if you and your sisters through your reproductive decisions cause the regime to fall, your daughters may be wearing burkas (if not worse). All the brave words you say “about how you won’t be treated like cattle” will be laughed at by your new muslim masters.

    • European's Gravatar European
      February 25, 2011 - 1:59 pm | Permalink

      My dear friend Dave,
      the jobs are already given to low performing educated none-white majority woman, because they speak spanish, some asian tribal language, are black, bought off of welfare or what-ever. I am white, and I raised 3 children alone. My oldest served his 20 years as a navy seal, he is not a whimp, and neither is my youngest or my daughter. If their father is a whimp, it is not due to me, but because of his lazy, spoiled american upbringing, we are the greatest attitude, without lifting a finger to preserve it. I was a native of post WWII Germany, I am not a feminist of your mentality, but I do believe in equal rights for woman. And if whites are losing out, it is because men have ruled for the last millenia and destroyed the white race. White woman ask themselve the question, especially after WWII: Why bring chidren into this world, to be killed off by the power plays of polititions, and their ego? There are MEN and there are men. Anything else in your comment does not make sense or applies. Men stop blaming woman, and take responsibility for your sometimes sick egos. Woman built the countries up after every war, and realized in the process that they are just as talented as men are, and not inferior as men would like them to believe. Are your egos sooo small that you can not let your woman be great.? Such is your work. We take nothing away from you, but your ignorance in the process.

  48. anne's Gravatar anne
    February 25, 2011 - 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Re-read what is above:

    Says Chris “…..As I’ve pointed out before here, a lot of English and Anglo White elites are as greedy, treacherous, haughty, two-faced, entitled, and back-stabbing as is elitist Jewry, particularly today since they’ve been so thoroughly Judaized . I would imagine plenty of wealthy Euro-heritage and Euro-elite self-image “aristocrats” are as well. Why would Whites want to trade in one set of Jewish snakes for another set of White snakes simply because they are White?

    The best action Whites can take on their own behalf, and on the planet’s behalf, is to re-embrace their traditional Western-Christian identity, which not only has special enmity for predatory Jewry….”

    This is the general tone of much of “white” nationalism. Nor are all “Wests” the same, lol. While “unity” is desired, it demands a choice. But even here, what is “traditional?” Catholicism is highly troubled (any intelligent person –all the catholics I have ever met— note the high correlation between their “religion” and rationalization for conquest (as in the U.S./middle east wars–as they are spoken about by all the Hannity’s and O’Reillys, etc.

    Should all Catholics become Orthodox, Chris??? Is that what you think should happen??? Certainly, Catholicism is not “traditional” right? (and I don’t mean that it was but ceased to become so at Vat II–but rather never was…right?) And should both prots and catholics become Orthodox?

    And finally, can you connect the DOTS at all???— to why the protestants HAD TO BE the primary signers of the founding documents, and other groups could not have done that??? Can you GIVE ANYTHING AT ALL??? or is this utter emotional niggardly-ness that comprises this post of yours all you have to offer??? — much of the fate of “white” nationalism relies on your answer, imo.

    • February 25, 2011 - 1:21 pm | Permalink

      Anne, how did Christianity in general help transform tribal Europe into Western Civilization, which itself could be declared an abstraction if you think on those terms?

      Just because civilization is a fairly abstract concept doesn’t mean it’s not real.

      My theory about American (constitutional-libertarian) nationalism + general Christianity (whatever the sect) is that those who follow this paradigm will organically attract one another, form blocks and alliances, and could re-take the country, form alliance with Europeans and even others, (say, S. Koreans) who did the same, and one day possibly be viewed as a civilization in their own right, or as a renewal of Western Civilization with outposts in Asia.

      Not every socio-political alliance has to be formalized into an official governing ideology to form an effective country and eventually a civilization that serves the disparate interests of those that comprise it.

      To say that Catholics can’t co-exist with Orthodox can’t co-exist with White nationalists can’t co-exist with libertarians and all join together within defined borders and a basic set of shared values to form an effective country is like saying that Western Civilization didn’t work because it was never formalized into an ideology under law.

  49. Brahms's Gravatar Brahms
    February 25, 2011 - 11:47 am | Permalink

    Its no secret that Ron Paul is against any real border enforcement -Libertarianism and border security are mutually exclusive. BTW – there is a political group (besides AT3) that has been around for a long time and whose members have the exact concerns heard here – The Council of
    Conservative Citizens. The spokesman even got air time on CSPAN recently. Their site should be a permanent link.
    http://cofcc.org/

    • remain's Gravatar remain
      February 25, 2011 - 1:50 pm | Permalink

      CofCC has an interesting post today that ties together Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Gadaffi and Obama.

      “Later that year, Gadhafi spoke by satellite to Farrakhan’s Saviour’s Day Convention in Chicago, and reportedly told Farrakhan supporters he was prepared to provide weapons to a black army in the U.S. to destroy “white America.”

      In October 1995, Gadhafi reportedly called Farrakhan with congratulations on the success of the Million Man March. Gadhafi was said to have assured Farrakhan that together “we will unite our capabilities and efforts to achieve this.”

      http://cofcc.org/2011/02/obamas-militant-past-comes-back-to-haunt-him-over-lybia/

  50. anne's Gravatar anne
    February 25, 2011 - 11:38 am | Permalink

    The sort of erroneous, offensive statement quoted below, so frequently found in “wn” literature is why so many of the most generational Americans, who are wasp, and who are very aware racially, (often more so than people in the movement) steer clear of the movement, and simply see it as self-serving in its commitment to more false history that suits another sub-group. The article says:

    “…..My view is that this attraction to abstractions is part of the individualistic heritage…most obvious in the Puritan/WASP tradition. In the 19th century, this liberal tradition could be seen in their attraction to utopian communities and their strong moral revulsion to slavery that animated the cause of abolition. Ideas matter and are worth fighting for–even if more than 600,000 White people died in the war –”Let us die to make men free” as the “Battle Hymn of the Republic” urged….”

    There are so many things wrong with that paragraph that one would not know where to start. While Dr. MacDonald brings an interesting way of framing the debate (academic attention to Jewish group evolution), he also speaks —quite noticeably— as one very outside the (the often silent but observing) white Protestant experience in America. His obsession is the (dead) “wasp elite” who he never considers may actually be part of his audience, and who he sees as “in alliance” with Jews and yet displaced by them.

    (The idea that Puritans —in fact, a very small segment of protestants in the U.S. and NOT the primarily formulating protestants of the country— are given to more intellectual “abstraction” that other European groups is so absurd one would not even grace it with a response. Further, the idea that American Puritans, and protestants at large, are indidualists is, in a sense, equally erroneous, and Dr. MacDonald’s repetition of it can be quite annoying.

    In reality, there have been very strong communal trends –AS HE POINTS OUT SIMULTANEOUSLY in the article. I mean, either they like communes or they are individualist, for heaven’s sake. Somehow, the author wants it both ways. Now, who is prone to unsupportable abstraction? In fact, Protestants have been further grouped and brought together by endless commentary s/a in the article here—as they are grouped, dispensed with, not worth mentioning unless in terms of power (“the wasp elite” who are supposedly all Puritans.)

    This argument IS THE MAINSTREAM, and underlying it, is really a Jewish-Catholic Alliance that seemingly Dr. MacDonald wishes to obscure for the hegemony of his own subgroup (Catholic).

    Otherwise— the profundity of cohesive group movement among Protestants for the past 500 years would become much clearer, as would the reality that they are “individualist” RELIGIOUSLY (something that is hard for Catholics to apprehend, since they are merely taught that “the other” is a heretic. At any rate, they a) had many clubs, groups, organizations… (that had to be broken by other groups) and b) yet are somehow these stupidly abstraction-oriented people prone to rampant individualism (even as you attack them so they have no choice but to become this.)

    Underlying such perplexities that are the stuff of the ‘wn’ movement, is the need to obscure Catholic involvement in what has transpired in the U.S., the will to act as if protestants are “has-beens” and of no account in the discourse (speaking AS themselves, in their own skin, also). In fact, generally when one tries to interject the implicit “wasp voice” (eg: the genuine settler peoples try to speak), they will be degraded for being “devisive,” disinterested in “unity,” etc.

    In reality, though, placing the blame squarely on some aberration of Protestants (usually Puritan but other groups as well)— is seen as merely attempting to “understand.” However, this is very transparent to a large segment of the population who are, in fact, very racially aware (perhaps even more so than wn, as many wn SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE the same longevity in the country they inhabit and have not been privy as long to the various alliances and so forth.)

    For this reason, people who will locate failure at the Puritans and their supposed Jewish alliance, will simply be disregarded, (while, usually, “wn” go on and on about how stupid, fat and lazy they’ve gotten in flyover country). —And without ever understanding how many simply formulate their own ideas off the wn grid.

    Just last night, on VOR, Stan Hess went on about this issue as do a few others there, for instance trying to call Hart-Cellar immigration JEWISH. Well, this is a hard sell to the Protestant public—-as only one was half Jewish, and the other 3/4 Catholic, not to mention against a strong backdrop of Jewish catholic alliance, usually summed up as “the Kennedys,” although was many more. The 60s (not to mention the Civil War) was very noticeably Catholics as the spearhead of Jews, later they moved onto blacks, then hispanics, etc.

    While VOR, like TOO is one of the more sophisticated voices for a nationalist perspective, the anti-wasp tone marks it as a non-avenue for the audience of white protestants. The lack of understanding of protestants is jaw-dropping.

    Had I not, personally, taken time in life to undergo “catechism” classes, I would have no framework for the mis-apprehension of protestant reality in America that underlies virtually all catholic voices in media—whether mainstream or “w” nationalism, and to this day, am horrified by what is taught in “the” church to its adherents about protestant faith and people. These sound bytes are very frequently regurgitated in “w” nationalism, and the only change that could occur would have to come from protestants deciding to “not stand idly by” and to correct their neighbors and detractors.

    All this obscures the reality that many protestants experience –very deeply– and from the Civil War on, not even especially the 60s as a JEWISH-CATHOLIC alliance. Last night, as I said, on VOR, Stan Hess tried to locate Hart-Celler as Jewish, which –unknown to him– will leave the fly-on-the-wall audience in stitches as they were so much a part of an overall program to displace (further) wasps for jewish interest yes, but with their use of catholics as spearhead, the catholics, just like blacks later, made their own headway. The reasons why this vision as “democracy” is Jewish is another discussion (and very true.)

    Anyway, invoking the “Battle Hymn of the Republic” thus the Civil War as waspy—is truly offensive. Half the civil war army for the north was foreign born. Half. The North could not even muster its own army. This coincided with the “potato famine,” (and yes, jews held back laws that would have facilitated the feeding of that public). This, in turn, moved population into America (just as now, how people are incentivized to move)—this is how big money moves its populations for wars.

    The Irish, due to the Ulster plantation experience were moved, b/c they had previous greivance (just like mexicans into south border)— The capital of the confederacy was Virginia, which then included what became after military occupation “west virginia”—and this was people by Lowlanders who’d passed through N. Ireland, through the Ulster Plantation experience, then fled to America.

    Articles s/a this show a deep blind-spot in regards to the Catholic legacy in the U.S., how this sub-group ethnicity (with cause) has so often suppressed life for white protestants, and continues to do so very aggressively (this is what the whole “New South” experience is all about— and the creation of Catholic cities s/a “Ave Maria” in Florida, and many other such places.

    The question in “white” nationalism —for much of the listening public— is whether it ever intends to depart from its mainstream blame game (those ignorant and yet elite “wasps” who cause all the trouble) and it’s jew bashing (deeply well-deserved, no doubt)— and confront its remarkable anti-jew/anti-wasp bias (which is to say catholic).

    Almost categorically —back in real life– it is Northeast Catholics who have —usually through initial alliances with Euro Spanish catholics— been keen to bring in Meso-Americans. Eg: The North Bronx moved into lower Westchester county (the Kennedys deciding to live there and “make inroads”); now— many towns are 60% meso-indian-mexican (like Port Chester, Tarrytown, Sleepy Hollow, Mamaroneck has been in the news for “newcomer’ altercations. The remaining Catholics hire mexicans over white generationals, and they are displaced, not only in NY, but in Florida, etc. Until, after awhile, even the white Catholics won’t live there, anymore.

    “White” nationalists who are Catholic must make a decision— whether to continue trying to sweep their own real history under the rug, in the interest of their own hegemony as catholics OR to engage the PQ (protestant question) more honestly and seriously (hard to do, if you’re taught you’ll burn in hell for dealing with such heretics as a very young, vulnerable age).

    Protestants in the U.S. must take up the mantle and speak in their own voice, for their real experiences here, and correct their neighbors on these things—otherwise what is really happeing and obscured (a catholic-jewish alliance) will ultimately hold sway—- and what wise people s/a Pat Buchanan (the Catholic, imo, who most transcends his own background)— says will happen will— and that is the turning of America into more of what it’s already become, a standard “european” welfare state (with other features) and finally Brazil.

    Protestants did not cause the problems in the U.S. Nor are they more individualistic by nature. Nor are they more prone to fantasy. Or to abstraction, and so on. Catholics must admit some of THEIR OWN PART in the massive failure in the U.S., and in their part in what they’ve done to a unique Protestant vision (as represented even by Deist signers as well as the congregationalists) that has been thoroughly corrupted.

    They cannot do this b/c that would mean admitting someone other than themselves is/was “blessed.” And why would God bless heretics? Admission of truth brings them to a crisis of their own “faith,” and identity formation.

    Finally, there is —even now— among the groups not core to the Confederacy, an obvious desire not to place themselves among us other whites —the dirty whites, the confederate greasy slave-holder whites, the redneck, hick, those prone to gross “abstractions”, etc. No— many voices in “white” nationalism are not whites like those “stupid flyover country, fat “American” whites. Recently Horus the Avenger said his pod is for people who are “white” and “past all that”—and yet it so frequently will sound he isn’t past that, just as many voices at places s/a VOR. The only real solution is for REAL LIFE Protestants to actually say something— to decide it’s time for their own judgement on those who have so long judged them.

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 25, 2011 - 11:22 pm | Permalink

      anne, you’ve got a lot to say, much of it worth considering, but you need a type “A” editor who knows this subject hands down if you’re going to stop our eyes from glazing over before we’re finished reading what you have typed.

      Thank you for forcing me to think about what I hadn’t considered in any meaningful way until I read your post. But please learn how to say it faster.

  51. henry baxley's Gravatar henry baxley
    February 25, 2011 - 11:23 am | Permalink

    European:
    “Women will never go back to being treated like cattle”

    Looks like I touched a raw nerve, sorry but the truth must be told. The fact is that in all historical periods there have been women who were mistreated, and others who have been spoiled and pampered, but I hope your reference to cattle was strictly rhetorical and you don’t actually believe there was a time when women were debased more than they are today. Just because you have some attractive, well-born females at the pinnacle of society, Pelosi, winfry, etc. Don’t forget those who are abused, treated as objects, and killed.
    And yes, I do have a problem with “equality” because there is no such thing. If there is, I don’t see it, can you show it to me??
    Now if you want to talk about POWER ( an actual measurable concept) I submit that (the average) woman did indeed have less power before modernity. But that power was comensurate with the power of men. ie. there was a BALENCE of power. That balence has shifted today so that (the average) woman has MORE actual power than men. This is part of what is killing, or HAS KILLED white civilization.
    Yes, married men have always chased skirts, and those that are not yet homosexual continue to do so….because they are FREE to do it! But please note that they do it more today than ever before. I honestly can see no problem with it except that it is harmful in the LONG term, ie. destroys families, facilitates addictions, and mental disorders.
    Are you one of those people that think the Muslim veil is a symbol of female oppression?

    • February 25, 2011 - 1:26 pm | Permalink

      anne February 25, 2011 – 11:38 am

      “Now, who is prone to unsupportable abstraction?”

      You it would seem. It’s mainly women and others committed to (misguidedly) pursuing truth via argument in Natural Language (which is largely intensional) and the social sciences (ditto) rather than the Predicate Calculus and extensional stance/sciences. It’s all so sadly predictable/explicable too.

      Rather than taking offence it would be better to look into the reasons for this, as they have been clearly explained. Are enough females up to the challenge given their narrower IQ range? Will they take offence at the facts and so just ignore them? Who can responsibly indulge that?

      It may be worth thinking about who and what the original Puritans were fleeing from. Women’s expectations today are certainly not like those of the Puritan women, who certainly knew their place, and those who didn’t, would have found themselves ducked and/or treated as witches. Looking back at the English Civil War (and what was happening over in Holland, a one time colony of Spain and refuge for those expelled in 1492) would not the Puritans who fled to the USA have been regarded (by European Catholics especially) as anti-statist subversives/anarchists/Libertarians? Note Trotsky later looked to Cromwell’s New Model Army with great admiration, but just look at the chaos which ensured in Russia before Stalin took over in the late 20s and 30s. Who were they purging and why? Might it have been anarchists?

      America is now world renowned for fomenting anarchism, which may have been fun whilst other people paid for it, but now, with so much debt and the jig being up? Now that its founding population is demographically shrinking, it looks like it is going to have to pay a high price for creating a political system which can not sustain itself without a capable (male) engineering class to lead it.

      My advice: Listen to Gore Vidal on Hamilton etc, and try to show some respect where it’s due.

    • European's Gravatar European
      February 25, 2011 - 4:23 pm | Permalink

      Henry B,
      And yes, I do have a problem with “equality” because there is no such thing. If there is, I don’t see it, can you show it to me??
      (Eve, in men)
      There is the feminine (feminized male) coming thru, which David Longley talks about so much. I suppose it is womans fault that you have this trait? Your mother, grand-mother, aunt, blame some woman for the negative usage. What are YOU going to do about it, and how old are you?

  52. RedRiver's Gravatar RedRiver
    February 25, 2011 - 10:47 am | Permalink

    I have to agree @Gregor. Also, we allow illegals in the country yet there are thousands of people, AROUND the world, who stand in visa lines for day/weeks legally trying to get in & we punish them. It just doesn’t make sense.

    Regardless of which side each of us stand, I see our own government quietly splitting us up into groups to fight each other. The old, ‘divide & conquer’ & it’s working.

    It’s time each of us work together! Need to read a book out about Americans who do take a stand against your own tyranny cause it’s so real for what is happening on the border & Wisconsin. I recommend it cause it’s about each of us.
    http://www.booksbyoliver.com

  53. Slavic fella''s Gravatar Slavic fella'
    February 25, 2011 - 10:13 am | Permalink

    Kelso is sloppy and bumbling, and those children are too entrenched and self-righteous to be worth talking to. Jamie would have done better in a one-on-one situation than in this group.

  54. Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
    February 25, 2011 - 9:11 am | Permalink

    To Jay – form Up the Thread – NO! PUHLEEEESE do not dump a bunch of Blacks in the midst of a pristine community! That goes on every single day. Identify the social leaders of that community, wot advocatre “tolerance” and “anti-racism” and “W ARE All Alike Underneath You Racist!”, and offer that person a road trip. Do this in front of their crowd. Call them out in public. Offer to take that person to the nearest “Inner City” zone, to Part-Tay in the ‘Hood with theri Dark Brethren, and Sistren, any Saturday night of their choosing. Tell that person that you have lived around Urban Populations, and you know the behaviors, etc, and you will show ‘em the ropes – although, of course – that’s not really necessary, is it, since we Are All Alike Underneth You Egalitarian Saint You.

    Watch the reaction.

    I have done this repeatedly – and gotten a stony silence. After utter shock . They don’t even know how to respond, in any way.

    t’s too much fun.

    But don’t let the good times end there.

    Keep pushing. Ask yur subjct WHY don’t you want to hit the happening night spots, in the Urban Environement? Why? Not even one Saturday night? Not even once? Why not? What? Is there a problem? Well why not? It will be just like going to the ballet, and symphony, right? Right?

    They will NEVER EVER EVER agree to go. Neither will their followers. So the next time you run into one of these types, bring the outing up again. Ask them WHY they don’t want to go clubhopping in the Inner City. Why not? Just one time – on time – for fun. And if there is a “Black Frined” present – talk to that perosn, and tell them that you have invited their friend to go partying in a Black neighborhood – cause the music is so exciting and fabulous – and their friend won’t go!

  55. Bohemianh's Gravatar Bohemianh
    February 25, 2011 - 7:51 am | Permalink

    Great job by Mr. Kelso, going out and speaking up! Wonderful!

  56. brian's Gravatar brian
    February 25, 2011 - 6:39 am | Permalink

    When I was 10 years old I knew about race. These people are idiots dressed up for a night out on the town. They have no idea how minorities (particularly Jews) think and act. The best way for these people to learn about diversity will be to experience a murder or rape. Sorry to be blunt, but these people are no loss to our race and I have no patience or sympathy for any of them. Let’s not waste our time spoon feeding idiots! Darwinism will sort this all out

    • Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
      February 25, 2011 - 12:47 pm | Permalink

      That’s because they’ve had easy lives and had everything handed to them. They don’t realized that none of them got in to Harvard at the the expense of their Jewish and black friends because they themselves got in to schools like Vanderbilt and George Washington (and paid full price)–schools that they think are just as good. They are ‘bought off’ and don’t understand who is eating their lunch.

  57. Joyce's Gravatar Joyce
    February 25, 2011 - 6:37 am | Permalink

    Meanwhile, if you go to Democrat gatherings, you will encounter white people who use the N word regularly amongst themselves, but show a tolerant face to the world. Motivation: Irish-family jobs.

    • brian's Gravatar brian
      February 25, 2011 - 7:27 am | Permalink

      I’m Irish and this is absolutely true. The Irish know all about blacks and Jews, I think because they are a tribal people. And yes, many sell their souls for jobs and money – Disgusting!

  58. Rene Scherger's Gravatar Rene Scherger
    February 25, 2011 - 5:34 am | Permalink

    For your interest on the Christian idea:
    Curently Ratio of “white” to “non-white” Christians
    44% are white, 56% are non-white

    We don’t see this in North America because most of the growth of world Christianity is outside of the United States. The center of Christianity is moving from the West to the East.

    Christianity should enjoy a worldwide boom in the new centu…ry, but the vast majority of believers will be neither white nor European, nor Euro-American. According to the respected World Christian Encyclopedia, some 2 billion Christians are alive today, about one-third of the planetary total. The largest single bloc, some 560 million people, is still to be found in Europe. Latin America, though, is already close behind with 480 million.

    Africa has 360 million, and 313 million Asians profess Christianity. North America claims about 260 million believers. If we extrapolate these figures to the year 2025, and assume no great gains or losses through conversion, then there would be around 2.6 billion Christians, of whom 633 million would live in Africa, 640 million in Latin America, and 460 million in Asia. Europe, with 555 million, would have slipped to third place.2 Africa and Latin America would be in competition for the title of most Christian continent. About this date, too, another significant milestone should occur, namely that these two continents will together account for half the Christians on the planet. By 2050, only about one-fifth of the world’s 3 billion Christians will be non-Hispanic Whites.3 Soon, the phrase “a White Christian” may sound like a curious oxymoron, as mildly surprising as “a Swedish Buddhist.” Such people can exist, but a slight eccentricity is implied. — The Next Christendom: The Coming of Global Christianity (Philip Jenkins)

    http://www.joshhunt.com/mail383.htm

  59. Carmen's Gravatar Carmen
    February 25, 2011 - 4:57 am | Permalink

    May I suggest for starters that Whites start using the proper title to describe our RACE. Aryan

  60. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    February 25, 2011 - 4:33 am | Permalink

    Reginald,

    No matter what “high status, cushy job” a woman has it does not allay her deeper feelings that it is not enough. All women want to be loved and valued by men as good women – wives and mothers. Feminism is a snare and a delusion and women are grateful to men who understand that.

  61. Trainspotter's Gravatar Trainspotter
    February 25, 2011 - 4:27 am | Permalink

    Reginald: “But these CPAC type girls tend to have cushy high status jobs which may make so invested enough in the lies of Feminism that bringing up the child-bearing issue would be more counterproductive than it’s worth.
    Do you agree?”

    Yes, I think you’re right.

    Not that Jamie was saying this, but those girls were hearing that “These guys want to force us to have babies!” What they need to be hearing is, “These guys want a healthy and positive world which would be a great place to have babies and raise children, but also a great place to accomplish all sorts of things. I’d like to live there, it sounds great.”

    It doesn’t need to be said in so many words, it just needs to be conveyed. The essential requirement is to get across the idea that whites, as a people, have interests and a need to control our own destiny. There has to be a “we” again, a sense of ourselves that these kids have lost, at least at an explicit level. Only after we have a real “we” does it make a lot of sense to go into certain particulars with them.

    But as far as particulars go, even if I had a magic wand and could create an all white land tomorrow, I would have no interest in “forcing” white women to have babies. I would, on the other hand, have great interest in facilitating family formation for those who do want to have children, which will be the vast majority of people. If a minority of women simply lack the maternal instinct, and even in a healthy and positive society still don’t want children, then so be it. No great loss. Who wants such women as the mothers of our next generation? In other words, lighten up toots! You’ve got nothing to worry about from us. We aren’t the enemy. The real enemy doesn’t want you to have kids at all, or at least not white ones, because they don’t have your best interests at heart.

    But again, what the white women heard was something to the effect that “You’re a lesser creature, fit only to have children.” What they need to hear is that, “You are a vital part of our extended family, and if you do want to have children, you should have the benefit of a healthy society in which to raise them.” Or something to that effect. Basically, we have to be able to disarm or bypass the alarm bells that they have been conditioned with. Jamie’s tone and demeanor did that extremely well, but the actual arguments still triggered the pavlovian responses. Nevertheless, they didn’t walk away, and they treated him with a fair amount of respect. Jamie was tired and not feeling well, so all things considered, a helluva job. It’s easy to Monday morning quarterback, but I think Jamie would want us to use this as a learning experience, which is how I’m viewing it.

    • Protocols of Albion's Gravatar Protocols of Albion
      February 25, 2011 - 12:58 pm | Permalink

      Trainspotter, glad to see you commenting here. You observations always bring a big dose of common sense to a discussion.

      Yes, there must first be a self-consciousness of a “we” before attacking the details of the enemy programming, otherwise the message won’t be “received”. Anyone interested in the problems of communication which come into play between the “intended message” of the speaker and the “received message” of the listener might enjoy researching Reception Theory. The findings of Reception Theory do need to be brought into play in our shaping of discourse. This is where Dr. MacDonald’s findings about the “uniqueness” of Western Culture, especially our unique psychology, come into play. We need to focus on how “we” work, inside, psychologically. With those findings “on the table”, we can develop discourse that will be effectively “received” by the target: our own people.

    • Protocols of Albion's Gravatar Protocols of Albion
      February 25, 2011 - 1:03 pm | Permalink

      One more thing … much of what it takes to develop this sense of “we” in a discourse has existed for a couple of thousand years. Aristotle’s “Rhetoric” outlines it. The “we-ness” component of a discourse is developed early in the discourse by using “Ethos”, and then it’s signed, sealed and delivered at the end with “Pathos”. Most of us seem to focus on the middle part, the “Logos”, or rational/logical “proof” part. The problem is … that’s not enough without both Ethos and Pathos. Jamie was actually doing a pretty good job trying to insert both Ethos and Pathos, and he might have made more headway had it not been for the PaulTard disrupters. They saw quite clearly what Jamie was doing, and I have no doubt they saw the subliminal “interest” of some of the audience. They knew they had to kill that baby in the crib before it spread. That’s what we’re up against.

    • Trainspotter's Gravatar Trainspotter
      February 26, 2011 - 2:51 am | Permalink

      POA,

      You are hitting on something very important with Reception Theory, and I very much agree with your general take on things. People should read both of your posts carefully, some good stuff in there.

      We also need to make a distinction between the malevolent opposition and the merely brainwashed/misinformed opposition. Malevolence must be opposed, undercut, mocked, repudiated. It is perfectly legitimate to play hardball with malevolence. But for the more benign and beffudled of our opponents, a gentler approach is warranted (and Kelso’s tone and demeanor are exhibit A on how that is done, though he tripped himself up with particular arguments) and we must speak to their legitimate concerns.

      For instance, when Jamie said that this is “our country,” (and it is) he was ignoring the legitimate concern of, “O.K. well, what about blacks and indians? What happens to them?” That’s not a malevolent thought, but a benign one. It does not necessarily indicate hostility to whites.

      I think a better way to go would have been to make the point that all peoples have a right to their own self-determination, rather than getting tangled up in particular claims on American land, or coming off as oblivious to certain historical realities. Stick to that line – whites have a right to maintain themselves as a people, just as everyone else does – and it can stand against any assertion made by a benign opponent. There is a simple reason for this: no benign opponent would advocate our genocide. No benign opponent would dredge up some historical factoid to “justify” our genocide. No historical wrong can justify the genocide of whites in a benign, reasonable person’s mind (assuming the opponent is actually white, of course. Non-white mileage may vary).

      I’ve found this to be the great “sorter” of the benign versus the malevolent in my personal conversations. I talk to lots of people about race – generally one on one, but occasionally in small groups – and rarely have a negative reaction, much less a malevolent one. But when I do run into a bad apple, I don’t hesitate to play hardball with them. They don’t walk away as smug, self-satisfied happy campers, that I can guarantee. This is by design: for the first time in their lives, they have to endure the mockery and horrible accusations that they had heretofore thought reserved for us. You just can’t play nice with them, because they have no intention of playing nice with you. I make it clear that they have the blood of innocents dripping from their hands, that they are the lowest of the low. Mercifully, this hasn’t happened often, but it has happened, and it does seem to take the wind out of their sails. And it lets any onlookers know that “picking on the racists” is not necessarily a charming experience.

      And that, in a sense, was Jamie’s quandry in this situation. He wasn’t dealing one on one, but rather with a group. The group was a mixed bag: a few malevolent types mixed in with an otherwise fairly benign opposition, and even at least one semi-friendly. Those mixed bag situations are the worst in my experience, but we can learn to handle them. As Jamie found, it just takes one rotten apple or two (in this case, the freedom and liberty loving Paultards doing their best impersonation of jack booted thugs) to ruin the batch, or at least the quality of an encounter.

      But even under pretty crummy circumstances, Kelso exhibited a lot of grace under pressure, and in the end his demeanor, fairness and dignity probably had more impact on the benign types than any mistakes he made on particular arguments. There was a reason that the benign types didn’t walk away, and that is what Jim referred to as “recognition.” The only thing I really regret is that Kelso didn’t call out the Paultards for their disgusting and hypocritical behavior. It would have been great to paint those punks as enemies of free speech and assembly.

    • Trainspotter's Gravatar Trainspotter
      February 26, 2011 - 3:13 am | Permalink

      Oh, and as an aside, the funniest thing about the video was one of the Paultards. The little scrappy guy? I swear he reminds me of the character Francis “Franco” Begbie in the movie Trainspotting. Not very smart, borderline psycho, temper always simmering, friendly one moment and vicious the next …hilarious. Between him and the blonde with the unduly pained expression on her face, pure comedic gold.

      And for another movie reference, the darker girl’s parroted rendition of “It’s not my responsibility,” she says it just like the girl in the country club scene in Trading Places: “And then she stepped on the ball.” Those who get the reference will know just what I mean.

      All in all, a rather strange group of eggs, but unintentionally funny as hell.

  62. Rene Scherger's Gravatar Rene Scherger
    February 25, 2011 - 3:50 am | Permalink

    Just for amusement, I wonder how this crowd would have reacted to a showing of this ‘mix it up’ video from Sweden:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3oEb4FG_tE
    Eww…scarieee no?! lol!

  63. Brian's Gravatar Brian
    February 25, 2011 - 2:34 am | Permalink

    Don’t waste your money sending your kid to college IN THE UNITED STATES. These people are inferior.

  64. Trainspotter's Gravatar Trainspotter
    February 25, 2011 - 2:16 am | Permalink

    Jim: “After viewing this video a couple of times several days ago, I was struck by something – many of the folks were still listening after 15 minutes. They hadn’t walked away.”

    My thoughts exactly. The kids didn’t attack Jamie, they didn’t even overly resort to the standard and dismissive “You’re just a racist!” buffoonery. Instead, they talked and they listened, more or less politely. And as you say, they didn’t walk away. Ironically, it was the Paulists, those paragons of reason, liberty and freedom, that most resembled jack booted thugs trying to shut Jamie down. What repuslive wretches. As someone who contributed a far amount to the Paul campaign in 2007, it really warms my heart that my money went to subsidizing such behavior. But I digress.

    As for the random kids, the important part of the story, they didn’t behave too badly. The pained and contorted expression on the blonde’s face is unintentionally hilarious (Does not compute! Does not compute! Imagine smoke coming out of her ears), but the only truly reprehensible kid (other than the Paulist scum) was the guy who, in sanctimonious creepiness, asked if it would be o.k. if the white girl reproduced with a black man. He was so sure of himself. That guy has a creepy countenance that I found quite offputting. I suspect something is wrong with him that goes beyond brainwashing.

    Other than that, most people behaved well. Were they severely indoctrinated? Yes, but most were not malevolent. As Jim says, there is potential there. One guy even tried to help Jamie out, and objected to the disgusting and outrageous behavior of the Paultards. Again, potential.

    As for Jamie’s performance, I give him a C in terms of actual points made. The kids tossed him some real meatballs that he should have knocked out of the park, but he never really addressed their fundamental concerns. It just goes to show that it’s not enough to say “They’re indoctrinated!” We must understand the fundamentals of the indoctrination, and the legitimate concerns that such people have. Jamie was often talking past those concerns, and it’s ineffective. The kids clearly felt like Jamie didn’t understand them, but that’s something that can be corrected.

    On the other hand, I give Jamie an A in terms of tone. He really blew away the media created image of WN as furious blowhards. Instead, what people saw was a pleasant, intelligent, endearing man who cares about his people. If the antis circulate this video, I don’t think it will have the desired effect, and I suspect most are smart enough to figure that out.

    Finally, in the raw courage department, Kelso of course gets an A+.

    Bottom line is that there is a lot to learn from in this video, and while some of it is disturbing, it is by no means all bad. Not at all. While it left me a bit queasy, it also left me with an impression that progress can be made.

    • February 25, 2011 - 2:43 am | Permalink

      Very good points. I’m glad someone else other than me actually noticed the helpful man at the end who was essentially agreeing with Keslo.

      BTW, do you think Kelso was right to go after the assumptions of careerist Feminism the way he did at the beginning of the video?

      I can understand why he did it, but at the same time it really seemed to get the two girls upset and to some extent riled them up against him.

      If you go against careerist Feminism to girls in a crappy job, there’s a good chance they’ll agree with you.

      But these CPAC type girls tend to have cushy high status jobs which may make so invested enough in the lies of Feminism that bringing up the child-bearing issue would be more counterproductive than it’s worth.

      Do you agree?

    • February 25, 2011 - 11:43 am | Permalink

      Reginald February 25, 2011 – 2:43 am

      “BTW, do you think Kelso was right to go after the assumptions of careerist Feminism the way he did at the beginning of the video?

      I can understand why he did it, but at the same time it really seemed to get the two girls upset and to some extent riled them up against him.

      If you go against careerist Feminism to girls in a crappy job, there’s a good chance they’ll agree with you.

      But these CPAC type girls tend to have cushy high status jobs which may make so invested enough in the lies of Feminism that bringing up the child-bearing issue would be more counterproductive than it’s worth.”

      Leave intention aside. Look at consequences.

      To restate an earlier theme another way, imagine going up against young (male especially) Catholic seminary students in earlier (pre Reformation especially) times when going into the Catholic clergy was the route to success for the intelligentsia. The effect/consequence was to cull the numbers in the more able part of the population whilst breeding more serfs (dysgenesis, cf. Ireland, Spain etc?). A Faustian Pact which probably all too few ever saw. Such is the lure of fame, fortune and power. That’s probably what one is observing in those young people. Nuns also come to mind, but in other ways, that’s probably a poor analogy these days.

      Even if they do see the problem (and many briefly will and then avoid it) the perceived cost (i.e loss) of not behaving as they do, makes such awareness so aversive/depressing that they’ll argue with anyone making the case, or just avoid the issue. Even bright people are not rational much of the time, that was the function of the Herrnstein (1990) Rational Choice Theory paper link. I suggest you re-read it.

    • Rene Scherger's Gravatar Rene Scherger
      February 25, 2011 - 10:55 pm | Permalink

      Even tho I think this was the wrong climate in which to approach kids like this, I appreciate Mr. Kelso dong so in the manner he did (non-threatening). It revealed a lot and is worthy of passing around without any negative consequences from it, even tho it made me sqeamish and repulsed at certain moments (not by Mr. Kelso). It is difficult sometimes to stomach ‘the unreal’. Yet, as others have said, he kept their interest long enough, that at least some of them seemed open to hearing more.

      To the dude who santimoniously asked if it would be o.k. if the white girl reproduced with a black man, my own reaction to myself here at home was “why yes! I think more white girls should reproduce with black, browns, yellows for the cause of liberty, egalitarianism etc.” lol! Great discussions coming from this article. Can’t say I agree with every detail, but that’s what a civil discussion should be (without the ‘cross-talk’ and background noises too, which tends to distract from focus).

    • Jim's Gravatar Jim
      February 26, 2011 - 8:42 am | Permalink

      Trainspotter said: “One guy even tried to help Jamie out, and objected to the disgusting and outrageous behavior of the Paultards.”

      I wonder if those Paul supporters weren’t going out of their way to prove how un-racist they were, being that their leader has been attacked by the likes of David Horror-wits and Larry O’Donnell recently. It’s amazing how rabid people will become to prove they’re not racist.

  65. Tenrek Odine's Gravatar Tenrek Odine
    February 25, 2011 - 2:10 am | Permalink

    ‘I’m seeing more and more comments about Jews, in all kinds of forums. The Avarage White Schmoo is beginning to …ahhh…notice something.’

    A Jew at work is starting to notice more racial slurs and and anti-Jewish comments in society.

    He is scarred that another holo-event is on the way!

    He asked me recently if I feared for the future, what with the ‘Alex Jones New World Order’ on the way. Of course I responded negatively, I am well armed thanks to the 2nd Amendment and am surrounded by White Neighbors out in a semi-rural ex-urb. Also am aware that there appears to be a micro-Awakening occurring.

    Times for the Jews though are going to start getting tougher. There is alot brewing up because of Madoff and the economy and Jewish smashing of the economy.

  66. Brian's Gravatar Brian
    February 25, 2011 - 1:29 am | Permalink

    Someone asked me the other day if I recycled newspapers or soda bottles, etc. I told her that since my people (white people) will soon be gone from the face of the earth, I really don’t care about what happens to the environment and that I would start recycling the day we start thinking about recycling the population here.

    • February 25, 2011 - 1:47 am | Permalink

      How did she react?

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 25, 2011 - 11:01 pm | Permalink

      “I really don’t care about what happens to the environment and that I would start recycling the day we start thinking about recycling the population here.”

      So you’re going to keep shitting in your own nest, Brian? Just ot prove a macho point about race?

      Sounds stupid to me.

  67. sunshine's Gravatar sunshine
    February 25, 2011 - 1:13 am | Permalink

    Why was Jamie alone at this conference? Where were the other White activists to back him up and even defend him against threats of violence?

  68. Protocols of Albion's Gravatar Protocols of Albion
    February 25, 2011 - 12:55 am | Permalink

    @ “Mickey Meadows”

    I follow and agree with your suggested strategy. But I have a question about geography. Are the Mickey Meadows located in the vicinity of Rome? If so, alles ist gut.

  69. Brahms's Gravatar Brahms
    February 24, 2011 - 11:36 pm | Permalink

    Tangent:
    I live next to a gay semi-famous photo shoot stylist, who lives with another man, a Jew. I was talking to him about the rudeness of our neighbor across the street (not accepting my wife’s brownies) and he said. “well, she’s Jewish!”. We began to talk about how Jews run the fashion industry and here’s an interesting thing I learned – female Jews are extremely jealous and resentful of white looks to the point of nose jobs, hair dying, etc. – that was news to me at the time. He said they actually idolize us in a way (only in the realm of actors, models, etc..).

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 25, 2011 - 2:16 am | Permalink

      Brahms, that is an interesting conversation you had with your neighbor. The more we can make talking about Jewish behavior and Jewish influence normal and acceptable, the better. It’s the one group where, even in private company, there is a certain taboo about discussing their traits.

      I find that most people are actually receptive to a discussion of Jewish influence, if it is done in a “non-threatening” way. It’s like we are dealing with brainwashed people (which, of course, we are). Just like members of a cult, people are trained to be hyper-aware of certain terms or analysis of certain people – it is forbidden! Their amygdala lights up deep in their brain screaming, Danger! So, I find it helps to approach the topic in a low key, non-confrontational manner.

      It’s like when you deal with an abused animal or dog. They have been beat down so long they instantly quiver at the sound of certain words. They have to relearn that it’s OK to think again.

  70. Brahms's Gravatar Brahms
    February 24, 2011 - 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Give them all an expense paid trip to Jamaica, minus the high security resort, that should do it.

  71. Brahms's Gravatar Brahms
    February 24, 2011 - 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Heretic – you pretty much nailed it. Its not cool to be pro-white. The internal message must be changed – they must be deprogrammed. There’s a very simple video on youtube – search “white people are cool”, he understands the problem. As long as they control hollywood and define cool we don’t have a chance among the masses. We need movies and pop culture with the message -whites are alright. The internet is only hope short of a Christian 180.

  72. Brahms's Gravatar Brahms
    February 24, 2011 - 10:56 pm | Permalink

    That video got my pulse up. These people represent a nice sample of college educated whites and they will be the most intractable. The best line of reasoning I think, which he did use but was cut off, is to enquire as to when the percentage of white people is too low – now its 75% or so, how about 50% – that’s ok? How about 20, 10? They always so, “whoa, that’s too low” at some point. And then you can ask why it matters to them. Its also good to ask if they mind LA becoming a white-free zone. Also, focus only on your own country – the idea of pan-whiteness is too much for them.

  73. GT's Gravatar GT
    February 24, 2011 - 9:51 pm | Permalink

    I don’t identify with those kids. Neither do my sons or daughters. This was the wrong audience to address. Better to address a group of half-drunk white working men at the local bar. Or off-duty firemen and cops. Or electricians. Or auto mechanics. Or plumbers. Few recognize this, however, because most readers are conservative college grads living in the burbs. They identify with the little blond chick and the dweebish manginas in the background who are hoping to score points with her, or think they should because this is what “responsible” white nationalist “recruiters” like Jamie Kelso think. It’s truly pathetic.

    Conservative “activists” cannot be persuaded to change, for their conservatism is more foundational than ideological. The conservatism of CPAC activists is driven by nature, not reason. If this were the Soviet Union they would defend Marx and Lenin. If this were National Socialist Germany they would defend Uncle Adolph.

    The only conservatives worth approaching – and these are few and far in between – are working- and lower-middle-class individuals who are driven to it as an act of personal rebellion against the faux egalitarianism of the multicultural zeitgeist. Most of these wouldn’t be caught dead with College Young Republicans or with CPAC-types. They simply do not fit the psychological, physical, and social profile.

    Has not 50 years of failure been sufficient? Is another 50 needed? Do we have another 50?

    • fender_strat's Gravatar fender_strat
      February 25, 2011 - 1:37 am | Permalink

      GT, plumbers, firemen, and electricians have no influence on society at large. They have little money, and thus, little political power. The people we need to attract the attention of are the smart and powerful conservatives. We me fail more than we succeed, but the truth is that 500 race-conscious plumbers aren’t worth one race-conscious professor or writer.

    • fender_strat's Gravatar fender_strat
      February 25, 2011 - 1:38 am | Permalink

      Sorry that’s we *may* fail more than we succeed.

    • dc's Gravatar dc
      February 25, 2011 - 4:19 am | Permalink

      “If this were National Socialist Germany they would defend Uncle Adolph.”
      Huh? Are you insinuating that the late chancellor is not the sort of man we need?

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      February 25, 2011 - 5:35 pm | Permalink

      GT, plumbers, firemen, and electricians have no influence on society at large. They have little money, and thus, little political power. The people we need to attract the attention of are the smart and powerful conservatives. We me fail more than we succeed, but the truth is that 500 race-conscious plumbers aren’t worth one race-conscious professor or writer.

      Unfortunately the most intelligent people have inate difficulty in seeing what’s going on. It’s like the high proportion of really clever people who wear glasses(ie there is a genetic link between bad eyesight and being brainy).

      A working class person will often understand what is going on instinctively; they have the mental machinery. Very few people from an upper middle class background can think in terms of collective ethnic identities. They just don’t get it.

    • February 25, 2011 - 7:38 pm | Permalink

      Someday February 25, 2011 – 5:35 pm
      “Unfortunately the most intelligent people have inate difficulty in seeing what’s going on. It’s like the high proportion of really clever people who wear glasses(ie there is a genetic link between bad eyesight and being brainy).”

      Most have a vested interest in keeping their jobs and/or pursuing careers. Violating equalitarian precepts today spells the end of a career. See also the predatory lending covered elsewhere. Anti-racism/sexism has been good for the money-supply (and short-term brokerage commissions).

      “A working class person will often understand what is going on instinctively; they have the mental machinery. Very few people from an upper middle class background can think in terms of collective ethnic identities. They just don’t get it.”

      On the contrary, many ‘working class’ people will have been seduced into erroneously thinking that everyone is the same and can afford to borrow etc. They have poor verbal and numeracy skills. Many in the more educable classes have just kept quiet or opposed talk of race (as did the Conservative/Libertarian student aged people in the video above) because they see behaviour to the contrary being punished, i.e. as bad for their careers. There are laws (i.e legislation) governing their own and their potential employers’ behaviours.

  74. heretic's Gravatar heretic
    February 24, 2011 - 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Truth is irrelevant. One cannot reason with the mob. Non-whites do not act out of reason with respect to their identity politics, they act out of INSTINCT. The relative lack of identity politics among whites is not a reasoned point of view either…it’s also the product of instinct. For whites, it’s fashion….it is “fashionable” to be cosmopolitan. Whites are much more gullible and trusting and have a higher degree of morals….but in the end, it is fashion that governs their lack of identity politics.

    The central aim of a small group of racially aware white intellectuals, should be to gain control of the means of propaganda and use it to shape the fashion or zeitgeist. This is exactly what the Jews have done. They don’t foolish argue about what SHOULD be….the go after the power and use that power to effect their ends. Banking, media, law….the Jews reign supreme in these areas.

    I personally think a very effective secret vanguard or syndicate of white nationalists should seek to infiltrate all institutions of power, the sole aim being to use their positions to effect white nationalist goals. It must be secretive, stealthy, and it must use all means of power to achieve it’s ends.

    The is precisely what the Jews have done. And they have excelled fantastically at it. No one can argue with the power of the Jews. They effectively control our banking and media institutions. They are among the most wealthy and powerful. And they use that power to achieve jewish ends. And they DON’T do it in the open.

  75. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    February 24, 2011 - 9:08 pm | Permalink

    My two cents…
    Jamie Kelso was definitely on the right track. He may feel he did not succeed, but he did. What he did was right. Keep doing it, Jamie. I wish I had been there to back him up.

    Two people can handle a gathering like that. Don’t forget Jesus Christ sent disciples out in pairs. Two was all it took. Two can neutralize opposition – or most of it. Two can be pretty devastating. Kelso or any white patriot should be able to come up with at least one back up. It seems simple enough. Jesus thought so.

    The points you wish to make should be prepared before hand by putting them on paper – like a script (if Jamie did not do that). Stumbling around is weak. You will be dealing with an indoctrinated audience. Understand before hand these people are going to throw out words and phrases from the Jew’s repertoire of established arguments. It’s very clever, but Jews did not come up with this diabolical program over night. Their best minds put their heads together and worked very hard over a long period of time.
    Never really answer any of these parrot-squawking questions. Act as if you are giving them what they want by making the points you want to make. Tell them their wanting to give credit to others is exemplary, but they should realize civilization started in Europe without the input of other groups. Our ancestors brought it to America where our civilization made America the most powerful nation on earth. Tell them they are the embodiment of civilization. Without racial preservation civilization will fall. Therefore, racial preservation is a moral imperative.

    • Sam Davidson's Gravatar Sam Davidson
      February 24, 2011 - 10:05 pm | Permalink

      Excellent comment, Heather Blue.

    • Kim's Gravatar Kim
      February 25, 2011 - 6:40 pm | Permalink

      Here are some talking points that are already drawn up by a professional.

      Africa for Africans,Asia for Asians, White countries for Everybody! “Anti-racism” is a code word for Anti-White

      The Mantra

      Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

      The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

      Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

      What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

      How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

      And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

      But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

      They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

      Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

  76. Incitatus's Gravatar Incitatus
    February 24, 2011 - 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Exactly, Dave. These pneumatic head spoiled girls pat themselves on their backs thinking they are superior (one of them says so) by embracing all that romantic caca about equality but never bother to think(what’s that?) that “we cannot profess to be a first-world country with a third-world population.” (paraphrasing James Edwards here)

  77. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    February 24, 2011 - 8:16 pm | Permalink

    “My view is that this attraction to abstractions is part of the individualistic heritage that is an ethnic trait of Europeans, most obvious in the Puritan/WASP tradition”

    Kevin gets to the hub of the problem: protestantism and the individualism/liberal model it has spurned is now a busted flush. The Scottish philosopher Alasdair MacIntyre (who takes Nietzsche seriously without agreeing with him) sums it up neatly: “we are waiting not for Godot but for another St Benedict …”

    • Jay's Gravatar Jay
      February 25, 2011 - 2:00 am | Permalink

      It seems to be mainly a New England type of Protestantism though. If we call people in the South, “WASPs”, then most of them do not conform the same beliefs as other WASPs originally from the New England area.

      And at one time, I suspect most of the WASPs up north were more or less pro-White. If they once were, they can be again. But it will take a revolution in thinking.

    • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
      February 25, 2011 - 9:04 pm | Permalink

      buckle: After the sentence you quote, your own contribution to your above comment logs in at fewer than fifty words. Given that that comment is the smartest and one of the best written I’ve seen on TOO in the New Year, the lesson clearly to be taken, whether for the first or fifty-first time, is Less Is More. Well done, sir!

  78. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    February 24, 2011 - 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Dave said:

    It seems that northern asians are particularly good at coming here and contributing, while others from an economic perspective, are net liabilities.

    The word “contributing” should be examined from a cultural point of view. Do those northern Asians “contribute” anything of their native cultural gifts to our society or didn’t they leave those things behind in order to compete successfully in America?

    It would appear that they are driven by personal ambition, not by the culture of their ancestors. Multiculturalism is a chimera.

  79. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    February 24, 2011 - 7:58 pm | Permalink

    People are programmed to respond to boo words and Kelso to his credit attempted to avoid them. Is CPAC the correct environment for this type of evangelization? It seems to attract judeo-christians who believe the status quo is worth preserving.

    • February 25, 2011 - 10:23 am | Permalink

      buckle February 24, 2011 – 7:58 pm

      “Is CPAC the correct environment for this type of evangelization? It seems to attract judeo-christians who believe the status quo is worth preserving.”

      Note, you say “who believe the status quo is worth preserving”

      The video (and some comments here) serve as prima facie evidence that a) the problem is not ‘Liberals’ and b) that many people can’t see/accept this.

  80. Alexander's Gravatar Alexander
    February 24, 2011 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

    The seeds that Kelso planted will take root when the people he talked to in the video begin to pay the taxes for their imagined utopia.

  81. February 24, 2011 - 7:32 pm | Permalink

    “The politicians and writers who (implicitly) champion White interests will not express themselves in terms of race for the foreseeable future. But it’s a message that will become more and more palatable as the pressures resulting from these mass invasions continue to mount.”

    Is this at all surprising given the way Human Rights/Civil Liberties legislation controls behaviour, especially that of what remains of Public Sector employees?

    Our ‘Western’ (and it’s Eastern in post WWII USA client states like Japan, S Korea, Taiwan etc) Libertarian economic system is predatory in that it has to have markets/consumers, not just for continuous growth, but to determine everything that we now value given that statist governments abrogated that role to market-forces long ago.

    But note, if markets shrink domestically through below replacement level birth-rates (which is the case almost everywhere where that one finds Libertarian economies today to the best of my knowledge), what are its elected leaders to do? The answer is that they import new consumers or have to find markets abroad. To do either, they have to remove political impediments/obstructions. Hence their foreign polices of invasion, regime change and ‘democratisation’ abroad, and secularization (of Muslims especially these days), deregulation, privatisation and fomentation of class/group conflict/competition domestically.

    Abstraction is a nebulous term. In one domain, that of science, it used to be basic to advancing our technology and industry, but more recently its served a populist role in regressive obfuscation, keeping the modus operandi of our Libertarian system opaque whilst blaming imaginary leftists/liberals. The latter are imaginary, because there is no social infrastructure whereby leftists (unless people mean anarchists who are of course Libertarians not socialists) could possibly effect such an influence as we made leftism/socialism anathema years ago via a protracted, highly funded, Cold War which we claimed to have won in 1989! In fact, we vilify leftism as a convenient Golem, i.e. a distraction from what in fact is the driving problem, namely our commitment to a free-market Libertarian economic system.

    In our desperation for economic growth we first ‘liberated’ females (who are, alas, more abstract in that they’re more verbal and less engineering inclined, wreckers not builders) primarily to increase the size of the workforce/consumer base, i.e to increase the number of debtors, and thereby create more (private) wealth.

    When that stalled (it helped dumb the population down by skewing the birth rate towards the less bright, whilst still lowering the birth-rate in the end), we tried to compensate via immigration.

    This is an insatiable, shark-like, drive for forward economic growth, and I fear some of the more salient, self-centred/narcissistic, amongst us, i.e successful Jewish people, some of whom flocked to the USA and UK to exploit opportunity offered by this (flawed) system late in the C19th and early in the C20th centuries, have now been exclusively singled out by some as the only culprits/scapegoats. But it’s clearly not just them (even though they’re not blameless) as the entire system reinforces self-destructive self-centredness, and with it, dysgenesis. It’s just that most of us can’t see this as it’s delayed in terms of its behavioural consequences.

    Risk aversion is what characterises those who do not behave this way, and the opposite is Axis II Cluster B behaviour. Why else would Bob Hare have made the startling, but probably true assertion that if he wasn’t to look in prisons for psychopaths (or more accurately DSM-IV Axis II defined Cluster B ASPD/NPD ) he’d be looking in our stock-exchanges and board-rooms? These places have become the new cathedrals across our Libertarian democracies, but let’s not forget the plethora of little churches just about everywhere.

    The clearly unpopular home-truth which I’ve tried to bring home in this blog over recent weeks is that what’s central to much of this is recent generations’ celebration and promotion of egocentric, child-like, feminine-brained behaviours, which, sadly, both follow from, and facilitate, dysgenesis. :-(

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 25, 2011 - 2:04 am | Permalink

      What does this have to do with White Advocacy? If you think you have some scientific credentials, go get published in a journal or write a book. You have repeated the exact same thing ad naeseum for weeks. You are not trying to change anyone’s mind, you seem to be trying to change our behaviour via distraction and disturbance.

      Like a troll.

    • Brahms's Gravatar Brahms
      February 25, 2011 - 2:12 am | Permalink

      Thank you for that synopsis. The logic is sound and I notice that nobody has decided take up the challenge. Yet there are questions, if you’re in the moos. Why liberate females if it leads to population decline (was that unexpected?). Why push contraception and abortion in a declining population? Why back Civil Rights? Why attack Christianity (you’ve addressed Islam and usury) but give a pass to other religions? Perhaps in a paradigm of mandatory immigration, the dominant ethnic group is an impediment and must be weakened. Yet, it was Jewish money and media that got American into WW1. It is Jewish porn and media that corrupts our morals. Jewish lawyers repealed the immigration act. Jews push alternative families. Jews lead feminism? How do you explain the Jewish involvement? Jews are not just innocent bystanders who play the game well; they have always been the King’s money lender perhaps now they are the king.
      And yet, in a world in which 3% growth annually is necessary lest complete economic collapse ensue – why does anything matter? Its usury, and who brought that gem to us? Maybe I’ll join al Quaeda.

    • To David Longley's Gravatar To David Longley
      February 25, 2011 - 2:27 am | Permalink

      David, you have finally satisfied the lazy fem-brains and put your main ideas in ONE post. Great job! What you said makes sense. These issues are important. Libertarianism is indeed a pile of stinking BS because it believes when brown people cross a national border, they become forward-thinking rational European (White) men. It also allows/encourages short-term looting of long-term resources.

      This is a blog about White interests. I suggest you write an article tying your ideas to White interests. How logical, masculine-brained, and adult-like of me.

    • February 25, 2011 - 8:12 am | Permalink

      Jason Speaks February 25, 2011 – 2:04 am

      “What does this have to do with White Advocacy? “

      When I explain about classes and quantification, you appear to Oppositially Defiantly put a NOT in front of my statements which preserves a prejudice and/or keep yourself excited. Some people will read post here for just that reason I suspect, it’s like sports.

      At the moment, a new DSM is being fought over in the mental health profession. It is due out in May 2013. Many of the disorders seem to go together, meaning some of the classifications are currently wrong, or, not as good as they could be. Such is the unending quest of scientists as they work for better prediction and control to make the world a safer. more manageable place. The way that DSM-V appears to be going is to put the Personality Disorders (and many other psychiatric disorders including the much lower frequency psychoses) at the ends of normal personality dimensions or continua. These are technically speaking, statistical FACTORS, data-reduced from lots of behaviours.

      Most children grow up into adults (of sorts). We know offending behaviours begin at a young age, and if, for example, the prevalence of ADHD alone is 1 in 20, a class of just 20 kids will on average have one ADHD child, and such kids can make teaching very difficult for the rest if not medicated. Social Inclusion policies with respect to diversity/disability can thus be extremely disruptive.

      If our free and Open Societies (I see Popper as another anarchist) are getting more dysgenic through the processes which I have summarised elsewhere (see Lynn in the 1990s for a fuller review of this), and if more ODD/ADD kids (for example) are being born, kids who grow up into NPD/ASPD/BPD/HPD adults, our groups/societies will become more difficult to manage/sustain, especially if we have smaller government, i.e. more DIY anarchism, more ‘freedom’.

      What is the prevalence of these behaviours by ethnicity? Does the ‘White’ group have a much lower, or higher rate of these largely genetic behaviours? The answer seem to be no. Can we make any group free of these behaviours? Probably not. So what can we do? I have said that we can better manage emitted operant behaviour. Is anyone listening, or is this just ‘idiocy‘ (see Social Psychology thread exchange)?

      Try to listen carefully to the way that these young White student-aged people featuring in the video ask their ‘questions’. Do they know the answers before they ask, or do they treat ignorance as a form of knowledge? What are the plethora of ceteris paribus clauses which are (in a tacit way) shaping their ‘questions’? Where did they come from? Was it a Libertarian culture or have some behaviours (genetically expressed with a certain frequency in the gene pool) been selected and rewarded by a Libertarian culture/environment?

      After you have given that just a little more time, go back to the Mind Wars thread and give some time to considering how we can ever just choose to change our behaviours by ‘will’ if it’s almost all genetically expressed at the individual level. Spend some time trying to find out what is wrong with intension or psychology (listen to the 1hr or so Skinner audio I linked to), and look at how mentalism has again come to replace rational, evidence-driven, extensional practice and analysis in recent times (see numbers doing the social sciences over the harder sciences and the gender ratio). The latter is market-driven. There are consumers for such courses. Is there a societal need? China selects and trains graduates as a function of what it’s society needs, not what its students (and loan-merchants) want.

      That’s what it has to do with White Advocacy”. Will it be any more acceptable this time? Probably not. It doesn’t matter if it is true or not. You can just stick an Oppositionally Defiant NOT in front of it after all. Is that, perhaps, your misguided idea of freedom?

    • James's Gravatar James
      February 25, 2011 - 8:47 am | Permalink

      Yeah I thought he must have made an appearance after I saw a trail of new “thumbs down” on the pro-White comments.

    • February 25, 2011 - 9:59 am | Permalink

      CPAC is sponsored by the American Conservative Union which claims it “represents the views of Americans who are concerned with economic growth through lower taxes and reduced government spending and the issues of liberty, personal responsibility, traditional values and national security.” But, whatever traditional values may be supported by the conference attendees, there is no evidence in the video that preserving White America is among them.

      Instead, Kelso was beset by confident, articulate young White people who have completely internalized the idea that America is a proposition nation.”

      These are young Libertarians who have been selected/groomed to sustain the (dysgenic) status quo. Propositional is another term for intensional (see Quine).

      Several (many?) commentators here unwittingly behave much the same way.

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 25, 2011 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

      Two succinct, convincing posts in a row, Mr. Longley!

      I knew you had it in ya.

    • February 26, 2011 - 9:43 am | Permalink

      arthurdecco February 25, 2011 – 10:50 pm

      “Two succinct, convincing posts in a row, Mr. Longley!

      I knew you had it in ya.”

      I just hope they prove practically useful to some. I predict many will just carry on asserting sentences which are either meaningless or false, as it’s their right to do so. It’s much the same in soft psychology. It really is quite depressing to see people continue to assert statements which are patently false, asserting that what does happen, does not happen, when the evidence is demonstrable every day, and is recorded, i.e. counted, by machine/logic circuits without human intervention. What’s worse is the very behaviours which are being denied are being exploited by predatory individuals in retail and Financial Services who will say anything so long as it’s not strictly illegal and earns them revenue.

      See the SEAB website for some pictures if the Skinner audio wasn’t sufficient. The basic problem today is that far too many people now shamelessly report their states of ignorance as what they firmly believe, without ever appreciating the absurdity of doing so given that what we believe, paradoxically, must often be false if we are ever to learn.

  82. Richard IV's Gravatar Richard IV
    February 24, 2011 - 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Cults fall apart on insistent questioning.

    The mistake Kelso made in that video, was he gave the anti-white half the answer.

    If you ask the anti-white to name a non-white country to flood with millions of people, that are not their race until they become a vanishing minority, in most cases the anti-white will refuse to do so. However if they do name the country, ask them to name a non-white race to flood them with. The non-white part is key in both cases.

    Try it for yourself and see how anti-whites easily justify genocide for white nations and only white nations, but will avoid the question when it comes to non-white nations.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

  83. Joseph's Gravatar Joseph
    February 24, 2011 - 6:59 pm | Permalink

    What fascinates me with these people is that they cannot refrain from being emotional. Why do they react with such extreme emotion?

    The hallmark of a serious person is to be able to discuss basically any (well, non-personal) subject without this kind of emotional outbursts.

    • Jez's Gravatar Jez
      February 25, 2011 - 2:52 am | Permalink

      @Joesph,

      Good point. They are basically adult children who don’t have any understanding about life is all about, not to mention being spoilt, selfish and apathetic. Their emotional ouburts might also be inspired from what they see on TV talk shows where they think that an argument can be won by volume than by reason.

  84. fender_strat's Gravatar fender_strat
    February 24, 2011 - 6:58 pm | Permalink

    How is it that evolution created a people (white Europeans) that have little interest in their own collective survival? This doesn’t make sense to me. Isn’t the very point of evolution to perpetuate genes that favor self-preservation? Isn’t this Dawkins’ theory of evolution?

    I can’t help but think that centuries’ worth of Christianity instilled in Europeans a sense of guilt and universal identity. They weren’t Germans, French, or English, they were Catholic, Protestant, or Lutheran. Spain and England went to war because one nation was Catholic and the other wasn’t. Ludicrous.

    Any religion or national identity that is not built around ethnicity is bound to fail. You can’t bring different people together and expect them to uphold abstract political and moral ideals, because these things change with the tides.

    • Dave's Gravatar Dave
      February 24, 2011 - 6:09 pm | Permalink

      In what meaningful sense can it be said that Europe, for example, is Christian? Realists have been saying that Europe is post Christian (and now effectively culturally marxist) for years. It is more accurate to say that people infected with an alien ideology harmful to their self-interests are not self-defending. One only need look at the reproduction rates of traditional christians to see that they are doing the most important thing to preserve their race – have lots of children.

  85. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    February 24, 2011 - 6:31 pm | Permalink

    I seriously propose that WNs would experience greater success by recruiting among Scientologists, Moonies and Hare Krishnas.

    It’s funny that you would mention Scientologists, because Jamie Kelso is a former professional cult member and a very high ranking officer in the Church of Scientology. Most WN’s regard Jami Kelso as some kind of infiltrator, either working for the FBI or some other organization. I think they’re probably right.

    • Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
      February 24, 2011 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

      Mickey

      Clearly you have some great ideas on this and are far ahead of me on understanding the mechanics of starting something. As far as myself though I’m afraid I’m too old with too few years left to start anything. While I have no association with any group my views are so well known to people with whom I’ve come in contact, I wouldn’t last 30 seconds on that score. Hopefully someone out there who can will pick up this ball and run with it. Maybe if you and I and anyone else who likes the idea can keep bringing it up, maybe someone will.

    • Tom's Gravatar Tom
      February 24, 2011 - 7:19 pm | Permalink

      @ ZOGGY

      Like John Travolta, and Charlie Sheen? Or is it Charlie Sheen hangs out with Alex Jones. Is his real name Charlie Sheenie? LOL.

  86. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    February 24, 2011 - 6:28 pm | Permalink

    It is more accurate to say that people infected with an alien ideology harmful to their self-interests are not self-defending.

    Yes, it is a Semitic Middle Eastern ideology called “Christianity”. You seem to be familiar with it. It’s a Jewish created universalist creed designed for goyim, not for Jews.

    • Dave's Gravatar Dave
      February 24, 2011 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

      I meant “cultural marxism” and you-know-who invented that. When the European peoples were more orthodoxly christian they were better able to resists ethnic outgroupers and reproduced at a prodigious rate – heck, they were encouraged by their priests and ministers to have as many children as the Almighty favored them with. There were teeming masses of white Europeans so much so that they had to immigrate to other lands – the meek shall inherit the earth and all that. Do you dispute any of this? If you’re not a zionist troll you need to take the hakenkreuz armband off – NS didn’t work out too well for the Germans because, after all, it was racial idolatry.

    • Tom's Gravatar Tom
      February 24, 2011 - 7:16 pm | Permalink

      @ ZOGGY

      Were you raised as a Roman Catholic, and did you attend Roman Catholic schools?

    • February 27, 2011 - 7:41 pm | Permalink

      Dave February 24, 2011 – 6:38 pm

      “I meant “cultural marxism” and you-know-who invented that.”

      Right-wing Libertarian anarchists created that as it’s good for the markets and bad for statism/regulation.

      See the Austrian School, Chicago School (also home of the Neocons). Guess who else would have had a hand in it bearing in mind that Libertarian/anarchism is the American Way?

      Surely you don’t think the USA would ever have welcomed left-wing communist refugees from Europe or the USSR? Why would these people have been fleeing from socialism?

  87. Walter L's Gravatar Walter L
    February 24, 2011 - 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Kelso had a very good idea.

    He should improve with every encounter. Do what the commies found works.

    • Don’t go alone. You need a team of shills, at least one.
    • Have your shills ask questions.
    • Have them seem to disagree, but then admit you have a point.
    • Your shills need to be attractive; a good looking woman is worth ten good looking men.
    • Shills can silence opposition. “Hey let the guy speak.”
    • Don’t expect miracles. Be satisfied with planting the seeds of doubt.

    • Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
      February 24, 2011 - 6:41 pm | Permalink

      Mickey

      You’ve got me thinking if this was really skillfully done to include all races, we could take the high ground away from them and bounce their “bigot” label right back at them. I don’t know what part of other races we could attract; Japanese might one source. Then we could play on what I believe is a lot of jealously on the part of black women who are losing their men to the worst of white women. There must be many areas of similar vulnerability out there if we look.

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 25, 2011 - 10:26 pm | Permalink

      Thank you, Walter L! for putting in your two cents in. A person like you comes along and lays it out in ‘Simplified’ and by doing so you make the rest of our tactical suggestions suffer as a consequence.

      It pays never to forget the principles of propaganda and indoctrination – two of the essential tools we’ll need to master if we want to defeat our enemies – enemies who already know almost everything there is to know about these things and their use in the manipulation of public opinion.

      Some of the contributors here have suggested that all we white people have to do to WIN this undeclared war is to become Supreme Court Justices, Presidential Aides, University Presidents, Captains of Finance, Leaders of Industry, etc.

      Sounds simple to me – Simple-minded, that is.

      This is NEVER GONNA HAPPEN as long as the present power structure stays in place. I don’t care how talented or intelligent or original a white person is – unless they are prepared to support the prevailing ethic which ignores Jewish complicity in our collective destruction, they ain’t goin’ nowhere, not now, not ever!

      The only way we’ll ever win a legitimate voice for ourselves in the seething morass of narrowly self-interested sub-groups of humanity who presently pouring over our open borders in the millions is by winning the battle for the hearts and minds of our readers/ reviewers who stand to lose by these misguided and irreversible political acts.

      …and to do that we have to cheat just as hard and fast as our opponents do daily by manipulating our Message’s delivery in the ways you suggest, Walter L:

      • Don’t go alone. You need a team of shills, at least one.
      • Have your shills ask questions.
      • Have them seem to disagree, but then admit you have a point.
      • Your shills need to be attractive; a good looking woman is worth ten good looking men.
      • Shills can silence opposition. “Hey let the guy speak.”
      • Don’t expect miracles. Be satisfied with planting the seeds of doubt.”

      Everyone of us should be looking at this list daily.”

      You’re right. This strategy of yours is both brilliant AND doable.

  88. Dave's Gravatar Dave
    February 24, 2011 - 6:02 pm | Permalink

    The counter-arguments to those evident in the video are easy and common sensical. So far, every white European people have been able to come to this country and assimilate. Most white people can name contributions made by whites of nationalities different from their own so it can’t be said that any particular group of white immigrants are “free riders” on the American Experiment. However, we do have the results of some non-european immigration now. It seems that northern asians are particularly good at coming here and contributing, while others from an economic perspective, are net liabilities. Accordingly, many groups that cultural marxists are advocating be let in to this country en masse are, at best , FREE RIDERS, if not recalcitrant and irredeemable troublemakers. These other peoples never built a modern western-style country in their own land, why should we expect them to easily accommodate to a modern, western-style country when they come here? In view of these OBVIOUS realities the burden should be on those advocating for immigration of these peoples. If they can’t come up with a sound, rational justification, then immigration should immediately be limited from the more benighted portions of the globe. We can take a few people from these areas, but en masse immigration over those who can easily assimilate and make a net contribution is out of the question.

    • S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
      February 24, 2011 - 7:49 pm | Permalink

      It seems that northern asians are particularly good at coming here and contributing, while others from an economic perspective, are net liabilities.

      The word “contributing” should be seen from a cultural point of view. Do those northern Asians contribute their native cultural gifts to our society or didn’t they leave those things behind in order to compete successfully in America? It would appear that they are driven by personal ambition, not by the culture of their ancestors.

  89. ethnonationalism's Gravatar ethnonationalism
    February 24, 2011 - 5:55 pm | Permalink

    There is a myth in the “internet-whitepride community” that only European countries are forced to admit third-world immigrants.

    In Saudi Arabia, about 31% of the population is foreign-born. There are over eight million migrants from countries all around the world (including non-Muslims): Indian: 1.3 million, Pakistani: 900,000, Bangladeshi: 400,000, Filipino: 500,000, Egyptian: 900,000, Yemeni: 800,000, Indonesian: 250,000, Sri Lankan: 350,000, Sudanese: 250,000, Syrian: 100,000 and Turkish: 80,000.
    See here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia#Population.2C_language_and_social_issues

    • Scooter's Gravatar Scooter
      February 25, 2011 - 10:04 am | Permalink

      Ethno:

      Those 31% get no citizenship, no vote, and will have to go home when they are not needed as domestics and construction workers. It is also a royal semi dictatorship, with o king who is so afraid of rebellion nowdays that the govt. is giving away billions, but I’ll bet that they do not have a diversity program in their interest free mortgage loans. Only natural born Arab Muslims get the money.

  90. Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
    February 24, 2011 - 5:54 pm | Permalink

    It was also interesting to observe that one of them denied his own whiteness. “I’m not White, I’m Irish,” or something like that. Seems to me that White in America is still associated with WASP. Non-WASP = Non-White

    • Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
      February 24, 2011 - 6:05 pm | Permalink

      Mickey
      I’m glad you agree and happy to see your ideas for expansion. I wonder how we’d go about developing this further; I’m totally ignorant of the actual mechanics of setting up and building something like this.

    • February 25, 2011 - 1:23 am | Permalink

      Geiseric,

      The reason the Irish person said that was for the simple reason that in America a White identity has been made into the ultimate taboo, whereas an Irish identity is kosher.

      This explains why America is a country where the powers that be are fine with Irish-Americans going around celebrating St. Patrick’s Day and saying they’re proud to be Irish, all at the same time Kelso gets the third degree for trying to get European-Americans to think of themselves as a group with meaningful interests in common.

      It’s like if this was the Wild West and the US Government was afraid of the different Indian tribes uniting (as they briefly did to some extent under Tecumseh), so they made it so an Indian identity was taboo while more narrow tribal identities were to some extent encouraged.

      If this plan worked well enough, perhaps there’d come a day when some moron said: “I’m not Indian, I’m Comanche.”

      Note: While all White American ethnic groups are allowed some degree of politically meaningless pride and identity in America, the Irish are given especially free rein.

      I’m not quite sure why this is the case, but I suspect it has a lot to do with the Irish tending not to like the English. This creates a situation where the powers can be fairly confident that Irish group feeling will be turned more against the English, and less against the non-European “protected groups” which the American power structure views as both the source of its power and the justification for its existence.

    • Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
      February 25, 2011 - 8:26 am | Permalink

      Good points, Reginald. Perhaps – if ‘White’ is a code-word for Germanic ‘WASP’ – the Irish anti-English instinct demands an irrational reaction. Irish, among others, are “borderline” whites, as the Kennedys knew very well.

    • Brahms's Gravatar Brahms
      February 25, 2011 - 3:26 pm | Permalink

      Geuseruc -what does borderline white mean? Also, its not only the Irish being anti-English, its more the English being anti-Irish. It was Darwin’s nephew (?) who, in fear of Irish/English mixing, promoted eugenics. The bold faced truth is that white ethnic groups are different, the stereotypes are correct.

  91. jimmy d's Gravatar jimmy d
    February 24, 2011 - 5:42 pm | Permalink

    I took a bus from Dublin to Galway recently (basically from one side of Ireland to the other). It was pretty expensive. A Nigerian behind me got on, passed a form (not a ticket) to the driver and on he was, looked like for free. He had a great trip; sat opposite me and jabbered and joked on a mobile for nearly the entire journey.
    Just an observation.

  92. Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
    February 24, 2011 - 5:38 pm | Permalink

    There’s a couple of points where I wonder if we couldn’t profit. One, as I mentioned in the earlier thread, group ourselves in whole or in part as advancing the preservation of all races. There must be many individuals of other races who don’t want to see their race wiped out.
    Another point which I’m sure will be far more controversial, is the question of “rights”; we have been beaten nearly to death with the alleged “rights” of blacks and jews for more than half a century. The fact is, in my opinion, no such thing actually exists for anyone or anything in this universe; it is a purely mythological invention; always for the benefit of the inventor or user. If we argue from that viewpoint we’re trying to use the weapon which our enemies have total control of. It seems better to me to just take away their ammo. When we look at it, and can get our people to look at it, for the simple power struggle it really is, maybe it won’t be so easy to subvert our naive young with their “rights”.

    • Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
      February 24, 2011 - 5:52 pm | Permalink

      whiteawake wrote “There’s a couple of points where I wonder if we couldn’t profit. One, as I mentioned in the earlier thread, group ourselves in whole or in part as advancing the preservation of all races. ”

      Exactly right. This is one of the most fertile and powerful avenues open to us. Imagine an organization set up with the vision statement along the lines of “supporting the rich diversity of multicultural America by supporting the preservation of each distinctive culture”. Let’s say the organization has an Internet portal that allows groups to set themselves up and then use *common* tools with which to raise money for their group, lobby politicians, raise awareness of the specific needs and interests of that group and so on.
      Let’s say that 95% of the work that goes through that organization raised money for and benefited non-white groups.

      It wouldn’t matter. Such is the low base Whites are coming from, it wouldn’t matter if 99.9% of that the throughput benefited other groups, the REAL benefit would still be disproportionately for Whites, simply because wherease for other groups the organization would be JUST ANOTHER source of income and support, for Whites it would be a revolution in the form of a consistent source of money and support where before there had been NONE.

      So you are ON THE MONEY. This is the way we should be thinking. Understanding that from weakness comes strength.

    • Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
      February 24, 2011 - 6:13 pm | Permalink

      Just to spell it out, the most powerful strategy used by our main competition is to embed their interests within a difficult to argue against campaign stated in the interests of all people. The fictitious organization I mentioned would have two easily imaginable knock on consequences. Firstly white groups would gain a source of income and nascient political legimacy. Secondly this new position would be aggressively resisted and attacked. HOWEVER, the attack would fall into a contextual trap in that because the organization used *common* tools supporting all groups, the attackers would quickly find themselves on the backfoot, apparently being bigoted toward whites. This would have an impact in the public mind, shifting the perception of many onlookers. This is the sort of devilish but simple strategy that, used against us, has brought us within sight of our own oblivion. But we have to recognize that our competitors orchestrated this situation from an original position of WEAKNESS even more so than ours. We can do the same. It’s a game that can be played the other way just as effectively.
      So in other words, by understanding what has been done to us, we see the exact road how we can make our come back.

    • Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
      February 24, 2011 - 6:31 pm | Permalink

      whiteawake wrote “I’m glad you agree and happy to see your ideas for expansion. I wonder how we’d go about developing this further; I’m totally ignorant of the actual mechanics of setting up and building something like this.”

      1. If you aren’t prominent in the white nationalist movement keep it that way.
      2. Spend a couple or few years establishing your multicultural credentials by getting involved with their movements and fighting their fight.
      3. Leave it to places like here to encourage other whites to do the same
      3. Develop the vision/strategy for the ‘organization’ around the principle of being resistent to the attacks it would then face
      4. Set it up as a multiculturalist with other people who really believe in that vision. Other whites will find their way to the organization without having to talk to you about it, purely through having developed their own instinct ‘what is good for the whites’

      That’s all you’d have to do. There would be others doing similar oranizations. Not all of them would work. maybe yours wouldn’t work. There would be infiltrators trying to catch you out and make you state your real values. If you screwed up and mentioned it you’d be finished. But if you didn’t then even if your organization didn’t make it there would be no harm to your reputation and no one could label you in damaging terms.
      Just do it. Hopefully see you out there in the real game.

    • Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
      February 24, 2011 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

      whiteawake wrote “Clearly you have some great ideas on this and are far ahead of me on understanding the mechanics of starting something. As far as myself though I’m afraid I’m too old with too few years left to start anything. ”

      That’s alright whiteawake, you’re doing something. But it’s worth mentioning something to you here about age and ability. The reality on the ground is that such is the genius of what has been done to us, that it can literally take half a lifetime to start realizing something is wrong, and most of the second half convincing oneself. A lot of people coming to these sites are probably late middleage, probably having faced some sort of personal crisis that has given them the time and emotion to think things through. I don’t know what your situation is, but I would urge you to recognize that it could be the job of exactly those older people to do something, simply because too few of the younger are waking in time. You think you are too old, but maybe you aren’t. You need to recognize that by ‘establishing multicultural credentials’ you will be doing something apparently policitally correct and so will only gain prestige in society around. If you did that, then even if you weren’t able to personally establish such an organization, by having what you do have, that being multicultural credentials and a strong instinct ‘what is good for the whites’ you would be able to identify organizations set up by others, and get involved.
      The point. It could be the majority of people waking up are older and at a moment in their lives they feel incapable. If that is so, then those people are the best and possible only hope of the white people. All that has to be achieved by just a few of them, is to take the ‘climate’ from what it is now, to something that is a little or a lot more friendly to establishing white identity as a politically legitimate and well funded entity.

    • HelloEverybody's Gravatar HelloEverybody
      February 25, 2011 - 3:05 pm | Permalink

      Whiteawake wrote: There’s a couple of points where I wonder if we couldn’t profit. One, as I mentioned in the earlier thread, group ourselves in whole or in part as advancing the preservation of all races. There must be many individuals of other races who don’t want to see their race wiped out.

      Re: You are going to have a quite bit of problem promoting that idea.
      Unlike other species preservation movements, White preservation movement is inherently linked to the Holoxxxx. You will be reminded of this whether you take a course in psychology, or just watch bullshit news on T.V.

  93. Jay's Gravatar Jay
    February 24, 2011 - 5:33 pm | Permalink

    There is a lot of truth to what you said, Ciaran. I would love to take blacks living in the center of Detroit and dump them right in the middle of Portland and other liberal White cities.

    But why were Whites so much more racially aware 100 years ago? There was a time when White America was fairly comfortable being pro-White. Now, it is the exact opposite.

    We can’t overlook the influence of education/indoctrination. Teachers lead the charge of anti-White propaganda in the classroom. The massive indoctrination of school children these days overwhelms their own everyday experiences. Kids are encourage to never “generalize” from the experiences they have with blacks and other races – a clear indication that educators know just how negative those experiences are.

    Anything that would reduce the amount of multicultural indoctrination would help.

  94. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2011 - 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Watching the video from the psychological standpoint of what might have worked better with that audience, my suggestion would be the approach of recruiting people to support disadvantaged whites using the argument that whereas most other ethnies do benefit from direct charitable/activist support for their plight, vulnerable whites do not.
    This could have been argued from a standpoint of positivity toward multiculturalism. Finding ways to further white interests while arguing from this position seems absolutely key to me in the current climate.
    It seems to me realistic that objections could have been countered from the position of merely seeking fairness within a multi-ethnic America.
    However, if you imagine those people being won over, and then actually getting involved with some pre-established white-plight organization, it makes a lot of sense that their personal experiences doing such work would draw them naturally in the direction of waking up to the real situation.

    • Jay's Gravatar Jay
      February 24, 2011 - 5:54 pm | Permalink

      ….my suggestion would be the approach of recruiting people to support disadvantaged whites using the argument that whereas most other ethnies do benefit from direct charitable/activist support for their plight, vulnerable whites do not.

      That’s a great suggestion. We need to remind these people that not every White person in America is an upper class kid from the suburbs. We need them to see the pain they are causing working class Whites.

    • S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
      February 24, 2011 - 7:24 pm | Permalink

      Multiculturalism is confounded by the process of “assimilation” which requires divestiture of everyone’s culture to be replaced by adherence to the “culture” of the marketplace. White people who are “positive toward multiculturalism” should be shown how Third World immigration into White countries is destructive of all participant, authentic cultures, sparing only ethnic food.

    • Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
      February 25, 2011 - 12:27 pm | Permalink

      Wrong. The idea that thare are “disadvantagd Whites” will only inspire contempt in that crowd. They’ve been driled that “poor White” = Loser/ Toothless Klan.

      Also makes ‘em too uncomfortable. The very concept that they might wind up poor, displaced and homeless is just too….uncomfortable..to even consider.

  95. Ex-Pro White Activist's Gravatar Ex-Pro White Activist
    February 24, 2011 - 4:53 pm | Permalink

    CPAC = “Conservative Political Action Conference”. This event is hosted by the “American Conservative Union” and “Young Americans For Freedom”. Both organizations were founded in the early 1960s by CIA asset William F. Buckley.

    So what’s next? Off to lecture the penguins of Antarctica on how they too can soar like eagles since they also have two wings?

    I seriously propose that WNs would experience greater success by recruiting among Scientologists, Moonies and Hare Krishnas.

  96. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    February 24, 2011 - 4:38 pm | Permalink

    There is an hilarious documentary (recommended by a fellow Brit on this blog) called “The Power of Nightmares”. It’s the BBC’s attempt to explain the genesis of the neo-cons and their islamic opponents. The entertainment values lies in the avoidance of any reference to GES as expounded by KM. Worth watching just for that.

  97. Rod Mckenzie's Gravatar Rod Mckenzie
    February 24, 2011 - 4:14 pm | Permalink

    It’s really frightening to think that these shrill, spoiled 19 year old, know-it-all girlies, have the right to vote! They are the reason that Obama is president and Oprah Winfrey could be if she had any desire to run! These self-hating female children unfortunately are carrying in their bodies the means to breed with any bipedal male that happens to come their way and they obviously have no qualms about giving him that privilege! What is extremely sad is that they won’t wake up until they have been impregnated by a non-white male and cast aside while raising his brood. What decent White man would ever be interested in them then!

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 25, 2011 - 1:12 am | Permalink

      Re: Rob McKenzie – “these shrill, spoiled 19 year old, know-it-all girlies” are only regurgitating what they’ve been filled up with.

      Fill them with something different.

      It’s really that simple, so start with your own neighborhood…

  98. rosebud's Gravatar rosebud
    February 24, 2011 - 4:12 pm | Permalink

    I think the guy in the red shirt with the crazy beard might have been an infiltrator. Possibly Jewish. At the end it appears that he is the one who went and got the guy who asked him to remove his buttons. You see him at the end very close to Kelso and he is seething. He then addresses the crowd wants Kelso leaves. He may have been hysterically upset at Kelso.

    • Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
      February 24, 2011 - 6:47 pm | Permalink

      @ rosebud

      Lovely name you have. I hope you’re female. :)

  99. mark's Gravatar mark
    February 24, 2011 - 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Ciaran said on February 24, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    “Has I been there – I would have called out the little Jews, slithering in and out of the crowd. I also would not have bene “nice” with those Conservatards. They think they are “superio” – it;’s not “White guilt”, with that crowd. It’s White Hubris. Their “tolerance” stems form their beleif that NOTHING will ever hppen to them, and that It’s Like Totally Obvious all the Darling Pet Darkies rilly rilly rilly want to be Just :Like Them.”

    “I’d – verbally – knock the crpa right outta them. With that crowd – I’d have gone after their vanity. I’d tel them that they are obviously stupid IGNORANT, badly educated morons. “You mean you have never HEARD for Franz Boaz? Uh huh. Hmmpf”. Appealing TO thier Entitlement Identities would score points faster’n anyrhing. The realization that they DON’T know everything in the world will get them set on the right path…”

    “Know your audience. Kelso needed back up. He also need to pre-emptively insutl them. Attacl their vanity. That is the Achilles Heel of that crowd. All other fronts – they are impervious.”

    Every word true.

    They should have all been personally insulted for their lack of education and knowledge concerning racial issues.

    And Kelso should definitely have had backup, probably 3 or 4 others to really pound the crap out of those low-life conservatives by peppering them with good solid racially-oriented questions that, at he very least, would have made it difficult to sleep that night.

    I see the conservatives didn’t have a problem admitting GOPride — the “conservative” queer organization

    • Ex-Pro White Activist's Gravatar Ex-Pro White Activist
      February 24, 2011 - 5:45 pm | Permalink

      I see the conservatives didn’t have a problem admitting GOPride — the “conservative” queer organization

      This is not surprising. Ultimate surrender is an – ahem – “implicit” part of the Judeo-Conservative paradigm propagated by CIA Agent Buckley starting right after WWII. Every white person who adheres to this white racial suicide cult is required to drink the kool aid. The implicit promise offered was that in exchange for selling out your kids and grandkids posterity you can enjoy a space of materially prosperous peace for yourself.

      Rather than being considered “the cream” these young “Judeo-Conservatives” are better described as the sludge at the bottom of the septic tank. There is absolutely nothing to build on there.

      Even the younger “evangelical” mega-church ministers like Rick Warren are rapidly peeling away from both “conservatism” and the GOP. This is no doubt due to the far better market demographics offered elsewhere. Even Buckley’s own only son has disavowed it.

      In October 2008 the “conservatives” current Speaker of the House, John Boehner, literally told his caucus the TARP bailout was a “crap sandwich” (direct quote). Then he told them to eat it. Clinically a person who eats “crap” is a coprophiliac. And this is what modern Republican conservatives truly are: degenerate coprophiliacs.

      Many of them, such as Larry Craig, are also degenerate toe-tappers busy cruising public restrooms. But not all of them have been outted. This is a fact the Heidi Beirichs and Abe Foxmans use to great advantage.

      Ewww….

    • Jay's Gravatar Jay
      February 24, 2011 - 5:48 pm | Permalink

      They deserve to be personally insulted, but the question is whether that would be effective propaganda for our side. Every political side loves to video tape instances of the other side behaving badly, so it can be paraded before the public.

      Instead of capturing moments of White advocates going off on others, perhaps we need to document our opponents saying anti-White statements and slurs.

    • George Byron's Gravatar George Byron
      February 25, 2011 - 12:53 am | Permalink

      “Queer”? This is the kind of sub rosa feeling I get from the Zionist Evangelical contingent among the Right that are among are worst enemies!

    • Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
      February 25, 2011 - 9:26 am | Permalink

      Mark – sorry about all the typos. That post was my worst, ever, in terms of typos.

      The ideas stand. You have to have tactics at hand, to deal with your crowd, Working cless Whites are actually far more polite, and one must tread delicately on racial issues, if the WCW’s have not lived around non-Whites. They know how hard it is to feed themselves, and pay for things, and have more geniune sympathy for the struggling members of other Races, than those snot-nosed littel Berks surrounding Kelso do.

      Working Class Whites that live around “The Other” are quite another matter. You can speak as freely as you wish. And I mean that in every way.

      Those rotten little toads at Cpac? They are the WORST. No holds barred. No mercy. No quarter. They need to be stripped of every illusion, and be forced to eat it all. Attacking their intellectual vanity, and hypocrisy, to their faces, and not yeilding ground is the way to deal with them. I

      Kelso needed literal backup. A handful of nice big powerful gents, who could stand behind him, armes crossed, implacable expressions on their faces, in roder to prevent a physicla rout – which is what happened. Kelso should have been able to make those “Ron Paul Liberty Oh the Irony Toads leave. Not him – them. We need to hold that hill, folks. Make the opponents yeild the ground.Literally. Not us Those stpud feckless arrogent little berks WERE listening. The Ron Paul Facists broke up the party. That was bad.

      Kelso made a grave tactical error going in almost alone. NEVER yield ground. Make the opponent leave.

  100. Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
    February 24, 2011 - 3:55 pm | Permalink

    I agree with most of the comments and Dr. MacDonald’s analysis. But so far, nobody has mentioned the positive aspects of the Kelso-video. All the young people surrounding Kelso were insecure and very interested in the subject. Kelso made several mistakes from a rhetorical point of view, and he was “sabotaged” by some of the organizers. With improved rhetorical strategies, I’m sure a younger person (speaking to people of his own generation) could be more successful.

    • Jim's Gravatar Jim
      February 24, 2011 - 4:18 pm | Permalink

      I alluded to that in my comment above.

    • Jim's Gravatar Jim
      February 24, 2011 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

      “With improved rhetorical strategies, I’m sure a younger person (speaking to people of his own generation) could be more successful.”

      Very true. Also, no camera phones to record the meeting. The camera phone can be an insidious device, creating a big brother atmosphere…especially when wielded by jewish neocons at CPAC conventions.

    • Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
      February 24, 2011 - 5:37 pm | Permalink

      Thanks, Jim. Good points. I appreciated reading your erudite comment. Bull’s eye.

  101. James's Gravatar James
    February 24, 2011 - 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Dr. Macdonald, do you feel that these self-loathing people of European ancestry could be viewed in evolutionary terms?

    The culture of critique has added a new method of selection and by their choice not to procreate and not to demand a territorial imperative they are simply selecting themselves out of existence.

    Could it be argued in fact that the Culture of Critique will ultimately create a new White race specifically adapted to protecting their own interests for no other reason than we will be the last ones standing and the remaining White human beings will by necessity share our proclivities?

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      February 27, 2011 - 12:33 pm | Permalink

      On current trends the last whites (and Jews) standing will be religious fundamentalists.

  102. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    February 24, 2011 - 3:39 pm | Permalink

    One major contradiction I have found in the thinking of Whites who have “no problem” with immigration is that they necessarily blur the distinction between multi-culturalism, diversity, and assimilation.

    Throughout the first half of the twentieth century Americans made an effort to “assimilate” American Indians by taking young children away from their reservations, homes, and families and placing them in boarding schools to be “educated” to resemble white children as nearly as possible. The justification for this was the same one we use today in the national Head Start program: “success” in White society.

    The National Head Start Association says somewhat euphemistically:

    We Believe
    •all children should reach their full potential,
    •every child can succeed,
    •we can impact the success of “at risk” children,
    •quality early education fundamentally transforms children and families.

    “Success” in White society
    “At risk”= non-White, racially and culturally foreign.
    “Fundamentally transforms children and families” = assimilation or obliteration of all important elements of their native culture.

    White people who have “no problem” with immigration should be called on their acceptance of the racial/cultural destruction of non-White people beginning with Head Start programs and all-day kindergartens.

    “Multiculturalism” suggests that disparate, intact cultures can coexist in the same land – that is not what is meant by “assimilation.” White fans of Third World immigration and “diversity” ought to be exposed as the modern face of the Indian boarding school.

    • Joseph's Gravatar Joseph
      February 24, 2011 - 6:55 pm | Permalink

      As many have observed, white people with “no problem” with mass immigration have not been exposed to the wonderful enrichment the Third World immigrants provide. They are simply conformist with the powers that be.

      Dr. MacDonald phrased it wonderfully with the concept of “implicit whites”; despite voting for unrestricted immigration, they are constantly voting with their feet. Moving away from the consequences of non-whiteness, but retaining their ridiculous “values” of America being a multicultural proposition nation and so forth.

  103. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    February 24, 2011 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Everyone can take a how-to-lobby lesson from Johnson of the A3P.

    Johnson was at a political reception, he went from politician to politician expressing the fact that he was interested in White people, and asking the politicians, what they are doing to help White people? This is how you “work a room” as it is known in the trade. You have maximum one-on-one contacts with as many people as possible, and you keep the message simple.

    When you take a break to do some serious lobbying, you find a nice visable easy chair in the lobby, relax, and see who wants to come over and sit down and talk.

    I’ve never drank alcoholic beverages at political events, because it’s like work. LOL. You want to be in full control of your wits. If you have an expense account, you can always buy someone a bottle of water, or a soft drink, or juice, treats etc.

    Don’t forget, as George Washington Plunkitt always said, Tammany Hall leaders don’t travel on their tounges. :)))

  104. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    February 24, 2011 - 3:25 pm | Permalink

    My experience is that unless consequences are suffered as a result of my behaviours, I tend not to change. In the short term, only the threat of the draft will bring these young people to their senses.

  105. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    February 24, 2011 - 3:14 pm | Permalink

    I don’t see why professor McDonald would have a problem with this. These CPAC white goyim are just expressing the radical egalitarianism inherent in Christian ideology:

    There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)

    • Dave's Gravatar Dave
      February 24, 2011 - 3:41 pm | Permalink

      Whenever I see someone attack Christianity I assume an agent provacateur is at work. Some people have wet dreams about subverting all of Christendom. Jesus said to make disciples of all nations, not to make one nation of all disciples. The statement about there being neither Jew nor Greek is speaking about membership in his kingdom which, you should know, is not of this world. In his kingdom to come which will be established at some point in the future on this earth, that statement will be true. But prior to the installation of his kingdom the final judgment will occur. According to Matthew’s account, the judged will not be assembled willy-nilly – but by NATION. Healthy christianity not subverted by marxism respects the uniqueness of all peoples and does not seek to interfere with the natural organization of individual peoples into distinct nations.

    • Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
      February 24, 2011 - 6:41 pm | Permalink

      @ Z.O.G

      You misinterpret St Paul. Though the quote you give from Galatians would seem to endorse egaliatarianism, St Paul was anything but egalitarian when you actually got down to brass tacks.

      If St Paul had thought that slave and free man were equal, he would not have said, “Servants, obey your masters.”

      And if he had thought wives were equal to their husbands, he would not have said, “The husband is the head of the wife”. Nor would he have said, “Wives, submit to your husbands.”

    • Brahms's Gravatar Brahms
      February 25, 2011 - 12:27 am | Permalink

      Modern Christianity is doing nothing for the cause and its message of “all are accepted if they accept Christ” is an obvious problem. I don’t want to take away anybody’s religion but what’s the point of turning a blind eye to reality? There was a time when Catholics (and Luther) knew all about the motivation of the Jew, that was long ago. It is Judaism with its “neighbor” (tribal members) reference that promotes racial identity; Christianity is the complete inverse. Would Jesus sanction an all white church or ministry to whites only? – I doubt you’ll find many Christians agreeing with that. Christians are all over Africa trying to bring them into flock.
      Its unfortunate but true.

    • Tenrek Odine's Gravatar Tenrek Odine
      February 25, 2011 - 3:03 am | Permalink

      ‘Whenever I see someone attack Christianity I assume an agent provacateur is at work.’

      There are lots of White Folks who are Pagan and have issues with Judeo-Christianity. This is just the reality of the situation.

      Heck even Alex Kurtagic and Dr. Tomislav Sunic (not exactly pro-Judeo-Christianist guys) have been contributors to TOO.

    • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
      February 25, 2011 - 8:40 pm | Permalink

      Dave and Miriam: The fact that at this late date you must, in effect, use monosyllabic words to spell out the social dimension of Paul’s (= Christ’s) message is enough to reduce one to despair. Thank you, nonetheless, for ably taking on a thankless task.

      Brahms: You write that “[t]here was a time when Catholics (and Luther) knew all about the motivation of the Jew, [but] that was long ago.” With respect, it was just the day before yesterday. I grant that Luther’s “reforming” descendants began burying their head in the sand centuries ago—and don’t you think that anticipation of this development was joyously anticipated by the Tribe, which has rejoiced at every shattering of Christian unity since the time of Judas Iscariot?—but it was only with the creation of neocatholicism at the Second Vatican Council that the bricks-and-mortar component of the Roman Catholic Church succumbed to sabotage and subversion by judaizers and crypto-Jews within its ranks. The forces that then seized the institutional church had been at their evil work since at least the Enlightenment, as a bit of reading in nineteenth- and twentieth-century papal encyclicals will confirm. That awareness of the name and nature of the true enemy of all things Christian has not disappeared in Catholic Traditionalist circles, however, may be seen in the fact that its internal and external foes—yes, $PLC, I’m looking at you, too—never hesitate to use the world’s favorite devil term, anti-Semite, to characterize Trads. Indeed, these foes use the term with a haste and frequency that suggest they are getting a buck or two each time it appears in a sentence.

      Finally, as a gloss on an apt comment of Chris Moore’s higher up the stack, the fact that our enemies loathe whiteness in the strict sense less than they do Christianity may be seen in the consistently good press that Albania and its many foul residents have gotten in the American, European, and Israeli MSM for nigh onto twenty years now. Despite an almost unparalleled record of degeneracy, criminality, and sociopathy, that nation and people—whose only rivals in those traits are Nigeria and Nigerians—have been used as exemplars of virtue, victimhood, and longanimity second only to Those Who Always Suffer the Most. Their neighbors—whether in the Balkans, in Italy, or here in the States—may know the truth of the matter, but either anything they say disappears without trace within seconds of its appearance, or else (as with the utterly brainwashed students in the Kelso video) the impulse to recognize and speak the truth gets suppressed as something primitive and shameful.

      Given the extent to which American whites, whether Christian or not, have been brainwashed and acculturated to self-loathing, I am far less confident than is Professor MacDonald of an imminent turnabout in Western society’s attitude towards its own subversion and destruction, even if one is using imminence as an historian might. As a Traditional Catholic, however, I believe in the possibility of miracles and in the power of prayer. Yet with the entirety of the Christian West well along on the road to its own private Damascus, I pray that it gets knocked off its high horse very, very soon.

    • Brahms's Gravatar Brahms
      February 28, 2011 - 2:02 pm | Permalink

      Pierre de Craon, yes, I suppose Vatican II was not that long ago – what a sad event and nicely coinciding with the beginning of the sick and decadent America (maybe all of the West). The Church was historically the main bulwark against Judaism but was it ever a uniter of white people? Maybe it didn’t need to be a uniter but rather a protector – it has failed in that responsibility as well. If the Church could simply speak the truth on Jewish subversion of morality, it would be a transforming event that would mobilize millions. They know the enemy but will not name him, one must assume the Church has been thoroughly infiltrated (if not, what in the world is their strategy?)- are we left with the tiny SSPX?
      Are there any traditionalists with any power?

  106. Jim's Gravatar Jim
    February 24, 2011 - 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Great article, great points, but I wonder if we can stand back from Mr. Kelso’s encounter and view it from a slightly different perspective. Yes, his audience wasn’t very receptive to his arguments, but you have to ask yourself a couple of things: Who was he talking to? And what exactly did he expect to accomplish?

    I didn’t really see a bunch of budding white nationalists standing there, I saw a bunch of kids who‘ve been raised on several decades of the same multi-cultural crap and equality delusions that everyone else has. Their “conservatism” and CPAC affiliation have very little to do with their potential receptiveness to white advocacy. Did Mr. Kelso think that, after 15 minutes of evangelizing, he could undo years of indoctrination? I don’t know the answer to that, I’m not saying he did, but he did seem to storm away mad at the end of his presentation – a non-verbal sign of defeat. The thing is, it shouldn’t really be viewed that way, as a defeat.

    Those of us who are older can remember 1963 or ‘53 or ‘43, a time when thinking on social or racial matters bore little resemblance to what it does now, but these kids have never experienced that. It’s going to take time, and, unfortunately, far more than just one or two encounters. After viewing this video a couple of times several days ago, I was struck by something – many of the folks were still listening after 15 minutes. They hadn’t walked away. What this means, I’m not exactly sure, but it could be some sign of vague recognition.

    Also, the whole event was being FILMED. (Not by Kelso, I’m sure.) Who on God’s green Earth is going to embrace such controversial and socially unacceptable ideas in front of a camera? I even wonder if all of us at TOO would be willing to do that.

    To me, Jamie’s encounter could be viewed as training film, in a way. An example of what to do, and maybe in some cases, what not to do. First, he had the COURAGE to do it, to approach these folks. THAT’S IMPORTANT. On the other hand, sometimes they presented counter arguments that he wasn’t exactly prepared for, but they did it in a more or less respectful way. There IS potential there.

    Here’s the brutal truth: these are the people we have to work with, the young people we have to win over. We have no choice. We can’t wait for the next batch of young whites in 20 years and hope (or expect) that they’ll be better.

  107. Dave's Gravatar Dave
    February 24, 2011 - 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Whose the jerk voting my comments down? They weren’t abusive to the other posters. If you disagree with what the points I’m making say it out loud coward.

    • Jim's Gravatar Jim
      February 24, 2011 - 3:10 pm | Permalink

      Dave, I think there are trolls who just automatically vote down every (or most) comments without reading them. Some of the other comments around yours also got a vote down. Sometimes I’ll see whole threads where everyone has either three or four votes down regardless of their comment.

    • James's Gravatar James
      February 24, 2011 - 5:32 pm | Permalink

      Yup exactly, even comments that say things like “good article” are getting the thumbs down.

      I gave you a thumbs up. Keep the faith, we aren’t an ethnic minority on TOO yet!

    • Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
      February 25, 2011 - 9:12 am | Permalink

      Jew trolls.

    • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
      February 25, 2011 - 7:28 pm | Permalink

      Ciaran: I know neither the ethnic persuasion nor the sociocultural identification of the thumbs-downing trolls, but I’m not inclined to argue with you, Dave, James, or Jim over trifles. What I most emphatically do want to know—your attention, please, Dr. M. or webmaster!—is this: does one have to be registered/subscribed on this site to vote on comments, or can malicious, deceitful eavesdroppers dump on serious commenters at will? If the latter alternative, please consider this an earnest request for a change of policy.

      I am not suggesting that this site go all pornoscannerish and Israel-aping. When the expectation of white Christian gentlemanliness is made a prerequisite for participation, however, enemies of that standard tend to self-deselect.

    • Incitatus's Gravatar Incitatus
      February 26, 2011 - 5:13 pm | Permalink

      James is right about the “ring the bell and run” trolls and so is Ciaran about the “members of The Clan trolls” But there are also the pseudo-conservative, or débutantes who feel reproached by the truths expressed by genuine conservative commenters here and the only way they know to respond is by voting comments down for they lack the ability to even write a lemonade recipe and I doubt they ever read a menu.

  108. Dave's Gravatar Dave
    February 24, 2011 - 2:45 pm | Permalink

    I know this is serious stuff but what exactly are these conservatives trying to conserve – a pig in a poke – cultural marxism disguised as traditional liberalism?

    • Jim's Gravatar Jim
      February 24, 2011 - 3:24 pm | Permalink

      “…what exactly are these conservatives trying to conserve…”

      That’s a good question. I strongly suspect that many of them grew up in a devout Christian environment, and see a modern world that’s very contrary to their moral upbringing. That’s well and good, but they’ve only been presented a partial picture of their “world gone wrong”, probably by delusional parents to whom “race doesn’t matter.”

  109. February 24, 2011 - 2:44 pm | Permalink

    I collected some answers and excerpts from The Political Cesspool blog about this notorious example of Body-Snatched Pod “conservatives” here.

  110. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    February 24, 2011 - 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Good video:
    It demonstrates the utter futility of arguing with an enemy mob (the only thing that kept them from physically attacking him was the camera) It also, imo, demonstrates the absurdity of attacking a symptom rather than the disease itself. If one worships a false God he/she appears stupid when they selectively whine and moan about the results of their sick ideology.
    It is difficult, if not impossible, to persuade those for whom life has been kind so far that it is about to get rough..very rough. Why?? how do I know this?? because it always does when people set themselves against Nature.
    Not so much because the aberration (equality) causes DIRECT confusion, distrust, animosity among those adversly effected by it, (note the U.S. history of racial strife) But what is even more destructive is what it does INDIRECTLY to children. It is the children who inevitably pay the cost of their parents mistakes. because forced race-mixing doesn’t occur in a vacuum, it causes a domino effect throughout the whole society/culture. Social traditions, institutions etc. must realign and move over to accomodate the new situation. Indeed history itself, or at least what is taught and believed must change. in order for a street to be named MLK blvd, Forrest ave. ( as in Nathan Bedford) has to go, as does other traditional tokens such as the Confederate flag. This according to the Third Law of Motion; for every action, an opposite reaction
    Thus the sexual “freedom” of adults translates to the death of the 5,000 year-old institution of marriage, which in turn translates into tens of millions of boys being raised by “single moms” This results in, among other things, feminized men who seek to nurture their enemies/rivals with so-called affirmative action plans.
    To whom it may concern; blacks who are going to make it will make it without “affirmative” action. Madame C. J. Walker (1867-1919) is proof, and no, she was not from the north, or from another country, she was born and raised in the American south, you know, that place where blacks were not allowed even to wear cloathes, speak to whites, or HAVE money, much less a million dollars One has to wonder how she got so filthy rich, her and many others, without affirmative action??? ??? ??

    • European's Gravatar European
      February 25, 2011 - 6:08 am | Permalink

      @ Henry B,
      Thus the sexual “freedom” of adults translates to the death of the 5,000 year-old institution of marriage, which in turn translates into tens of millions of boys being raised by “single moms” This results in, among other things, feminized men who seek to nurture their enemies/rivals with so-called affirmative action plans.
      _____________________________________________________
      This is a generalization, the blame game. You seem to have a real problem with equality. (tracing your comments) Woman are equal in essence, in rights, and we will never go back in being treated like cattle, slaves or a commodity, where you place a value on us according to your whims, which is still happening even here in the free ? USA. So where were the men, while woman are raising their kids alone? Out chasing skirts, enjoying your depraved freedom? Put your ego aside, there will always be some who abuse freedom just as men do. But it is not woman who feminize your boys, it is your absence, not hers. Perhaps you need some growing to do, and stop playing the victim card. It is obvious.

    • (elite institution coward)'s Gravatar (elite institution coward)
      March 20, 2011 - 5:27 pm | Permalink

      I am pretty sure in White populations, it is almost always the woman who demands a divorce. This is, I suppose, to preserve the freedom notion with which you have been inculcated. Were women ever treated like cattle or slaves until they stood next to men as wage-slaves working in a system that is, at this point, an obvious kleptocracy? How liberating would it be to be able to raise children as a mother?

  111. RememberVienna's Gravatar RememberVienna
    February 24, 2011 - 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Youth for Western Civ. is not pro-white, just pro-Western values. They allow non-whites to be come members.

    • Dave's Gravatar Dave
      February 24, 2011 - 3:25 pm | Permalink

      Do they advocate non-white immigration to the point where non-whites are emboldened and a racial civil war results, or do they advocate low numbers of immigrants from all lands regardless of race at a rate that would in ho way jeopardize white hegemony? I’m just asking to see whether they are sane or insane.

  112. Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
    February 24, 2011 - 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Has I been there – I would have called out the little Jews, slithering in and out of the crowd. I also would not have bene “nice” with those Conservatards. They think they are “superio” – it;’s not “White guilt”, with that crowd. It’s White Hubris. Their “tolerance” stems form their beleif that NOTHING will ever hppen to them, and that It’s Like Totally Obvious all the Darling Pet Darkies rilly rilly rilly want to be Just :Like Them.

    I’d – verbally – knock the crpa right outta them. With that crowd – I’d have gone after their vanity. I’d tel them that they are obviously stupid IGNORANT, badly educated morons. “You mean you have never HEARD for Franz Boaz? Uh huh. Hmmpf”. Appealing TO thier Entitlement Identities would score points faster’n anyrhing. The realization that they DON’T know everything in the world will get them set on the right path…

    Know your audience. Kelso needed back up. He also need to pre-emptively insutl them. Attacl their vanity. That is the Achilles Heel of that crowd. All other fronts – they are impervious.

    • Incitatus's Gravatar Incitatus
      February 24, 2011 - 9:07 pm | Permalink

      I totally agree, Ciaran. I’d give Kelso an A+ for bravery but I wish he would have been more articulate and more verbally overbearing, without losing any composure and would have made them aware of their own encyclopedic ignorance in matters of race by asking them a lot of questions to undermine their collegiate arrogance and narrow-mindedness, i.e the product of years of school and media indoctrination.

  113. JasonW's Gravatar JasonW
    February 24, 2011 - 2:34 pm | Permalink

    “…Kelso was beset by confident, articulate young White people who have completely internalized the idea that America is a proposition nation…..In response to Kelso’s point that Whites are the only people who allow colonization by other peoples, a woman says ‘That’s why we’re superior.'”

    A meeting of the American Conservative Union may be the most difficult place to find ready listeners on earth. It is a frequently encountered idea that conservatives, libertarians, constitutionalists, and gold bugs are the most likely types for recruiting to an understanding of the situation, but it is not true for these reasons:

    1) Conservatives are keen to maintain respectability according the the lights of the New York Times and the Washington Post. That is not to say they mirror the ideologies rampant in those papers, but they usually are extremely careful, especially with a camera directed on them, not to say something that violates those ideologies.

    2) The young people at meetings like these are almost all careerists, keen to avoid a blotch on their escutcheon, and avid to anticipate the next thing not to have said in the past.

    3) We need to remember that there are white people and then there are white people. A lot of highly-politicized white people are not literally of European origins and the young lady may not have really been what we think of when we think of white people. In fact, it is unlikely that she had our white people in mind when she uttered her memorable phrase, “That’s why we are superior.” I think that phrase is more likely to have been uttered by a member of a subset of white people with sole reference to her subset of white people, than to refer to us.

    4) And we mustn’t forget the power of ideology. The young people at that conference were in the grip of a very powerful ideology, made more powerful because of its totalizing effect that explains everything, and because it is constantly reinforced by media and entertainment in America.

    We tend to subscribe to an ideology about the value of inheritance, history, tradition, and ancestry that is also totalizing, but lacks any reinforcement by education, media, entertainment, or government.

    We need to free ourselves from the anti-human doctrines of egalitarianism, universalism, enlightenment and conservatism, and embrace the pro-human doctrines that will enable us to de-colonize ourselves from the anti-white, power-hungry, alien-controlled central colonizing governing culture on this continent.

    5) We experienced a version of white nationalism between the Mayflower Compact (1620) and the closing of the frontier (1890), so we do have 270 years of history to draw on. But we need to address potential recruits with the narrow edge of the wedge instead of the thick edge…it is amazing to think that these highly propagandized young people would understand anything at all that was addressed to them.

    Truthfully, the best way to change things is by modeling and reinforcing the white voice in a white-centric way. The young people in the video were blocked from Kelso’s ideas by terribly high walls, but they could have heard white voice-type sentences given in a white-centric way which, over time, would have had an impact.

    • Tom's Gravatar Tom
      February 24, 2011 - 3:30 pm | Permalink

      @ Jasonw

      Yep. You gotta get a grip on the crowd, and as you work the room you need to find out who-is-who.

  114. Uncle Sam's Gravatar Uncle Sam
    February 24, 2011 - 2:30 pm | Permalink

    The film and the subsequent commentary hit the nail right on the head. Ethnocentrism is alright and even commendable for Jews, Blacks, Latinos and Asians; in other words, anyone who is not a nonwhite European Christian. If that is not hypocrisy, the word has to be re-defined.

    This entire issue is about power and control. The pity of it is that many whites, as evidenced by the film, have no conception of what is happening and what it will lead to, i.e., the destruction of America. Sooner or later they will be forced to start thinking in ethnic and racial terms, assuming that the present trends continue unabated. Reality has a way of dumping cold water on people.

    As for “white guilt” as mentioned by one of the interlocutors in the film, it has reached preposterous levels. Take for example the use of the “n” word. Blacks use it freely among themselves. I have heard them use it and I am sure that many other whites have heard it used by blacks. Yet when a white person uses, it is considered an egregious faux pas, which can result in very serious consequences including ostracism and job loss.

    The fact that it is socially acceptable for blacks to use it and for whites not to use it amounts to nothing more than mind control. It gives blacks a sense of empowerment over whites that they otherwise would not have and gives an enormous boost to their deflated egos.

    Along the same lines, slavery has been nonexistent for 146 years. The current generation of blacks should not be affected by it, unless through a process of osmosis or some other unknown process it entered their genetic makeup.

  115. Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
    February 24, 2011 - 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Well Dave – informing these fools about the Jews – The Frankfurt School is JEW – is our job.

    We will be rebuffed, slandered, censored, insulted, derided, attacked, shunned, and God knows what else – but it’s our job. And we just have to barrelling through.

    I get all kinds of reactions. It’s critical to “put it out there”. I’m seeing more andm ore commnets about Jews, in all kinds of forums. The Avarage White Schmoo is beginning to …ahhh…notice something.

    Events are accelerating. Events always do. I think the Hour Approacheth, for a resurgent White Identity, sooner than any-one can imagine.

    So carry on. Forward My Volk.

  116. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    February 24, 2011 - 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Only if a woman is truly beautiful would it be advantageous to refer to her (actions or ideas presumably). as ‘hideous’. Beirich’s blonde hair and china blue eyes (of which I suspect she is secretly rather proud) make me wonder if the last blonde will be Jewish.

    Kelso is impressively dauntless, he made a few mistakes but on the plus side he comes across as non-threatening which I think is an essential qualification for a white advocate. The reaction of the young women to (a man) talking to them about the reproductive responsibility of whites is worth noting.

  117. ethnonationalism's Gravatar ethnonationalism
    February 24, 2011 - 1:14 pm | Permalink

    KMD:
    “Why can’t Whites ask themselves the analogous question to the one that has forever guided Jewish behavior? Is it good for Whites?”

    Because Whites are not an ethnic group. “White” is a racial classification, not an ethnic one.
    People tend to be ethnocentric, not “race-centric”.

    Jews ask themselves “Is it good for Jews?”. They do not ask themselves: “Is it good for Semites?”.

    Jews dont care about other Semites (Arabs, Assyrians, etc.). They only care about Jews.
    So, why would a German care about Greeks?
    Why would Ukrainians care about Anglo-Saxons?
    etc.

    • fender_strat's Gravatar fender_strat
      February 24, 2011 - 2:29 pm | Permalink

      In my opinion when it comes to white ethnocentrism, there should be a heirarchy of concerns. For example, Germans’ primary concerns should be with themselves as Germans. Their secondary concern should be with fellow Nordics (Swedes, Finns, Norweigans, etc.), and then finally with white ethnicity in general (Nordics, WASPS, Slavs, etc.). Beyond that, they need not concern themselves.

      So while specific ethnocentrism should be at the top, it does not make sense for the Irish to actually oppose the Russians, or for the Italians to oppose the French. Jews make distinctions between Sephardic and Ashkenazic Jews, and they pursue their own interests, but that does not make them enemies. Strife would only make both sides less powerful, and the same goes for the European ethnicities.

    • dan neil's Gravatar dan neil
      February 24, 2011 - 2:51 pm | Permalink

      In years past we had tribalism and we fought like clans and today yes the English still dont like the Poles.
      However we now understand we are part of a great White Western culture and that we have a common enemy who see us a one giant grouped threat.
      That is why the threat of the Multi-cult is only upon White nations and as pointed out recently not in Japan.
      We can ask our self is good for western man, or yes is it good for my folk, is it good for the white man!
      Yes we should ask that and that may be why the Evolutionary group stratergy works for them. We should use it in our own strategy as it is a good question and it should be one we use often and ask our children to do so also..

    • Tom's Gravatar Tom
      February 24, 2011 - 4:07 pm | Permalink

      I don’t know, if any of you saw the story of the two boys from a small coal mining town who killed an aggressive Mexican in a fist fight?

      The boys who are in their late teens, got 9 years in prison on Federal hate crimes charges—after they had been acquitted in State court!

      Naturally both of the boys are White—one is probably Polish-German, the other Slovak-English.

      Irish Roman Catholic politicians like Pennsylvania Senator the Bob Casey are responsible for hate crimes legislation, and Casey is also responsible for these boys being sent to Federal prison for a thought crime.

      I’ve pointed out time, and again these damn Roman Catholic politicians are voting the Jew agenda—is it also the Roman Catholic agenda? I think so.

      Nine years for a thought crime.

    • Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
      February 24, 2011 - 5:23 pm | Permalink

      ethnocentrism said “Jews dont care about other Semites (Arabs, Assyrians, etc.). They only care about Jews.
      So, why would a German care about Greeks?”

      Jews are several ethnies connected by a common genetic/cultural heritage. Likewise Whites.

      Whether and how a group choose to defines themselves as a People has many real genetic/cultural components but also much mythology, and even some irrationality. It’s no different with the Jews or Chinese or any other group. Races tend to be arranged concentrically, with the most pure types in the middle surrounded by bands of similar-but-reducing commonality. Where the line is actually drawn between in-group and out-group is less important than whether there is resistence as a whole at concentric each band. Developing class structures within-group is as important to protecting the whole group as any absolutely boundary between groups. All races have a blurry line between them and there has always been genetic exchange across that line. This doesn’t matter, as long as numbers are small, and there are further barriers within group such as along class lines.
      Those girls in that video, despite what they say, are not very likely to marry-out because they are of a higher social class and, clearly by the company they are in, they are likely to be marrying other higher class white men. This sense of class barrier is good for the Whites, particularly at a time of rampant race mixing, which will be mostly occuring at low socioeconomic levels.
      So, in answer to ethnocentrism’s point, what is White, is entirely a matter of how we choose to program ourselves and others. It’s a mythological as much as a genetic construct. The really IMPORTANT insight is that it is concievable the mythological component could be worked on without actually saying very much in terms of race. Very important in the current era.
      NOTE. Our job is take us from the current climate to a climate that is slightly or a lot better for White identity. By hook or by crook.

    • February 24, 2011 - 6:46 pm | Permalink

      As I’ve pointed out before here, a lot of English and Anglo White elites are as greedy, treacherous, haughty, two-faced, entitled, and back-stabbing as is elitist Jewry, particularly today since they’ve been so thoroughly Judaized . I would imagine plenty of wealthy Euro-heritage and Euro-elite self-image “aristocrats” are as well.

      Why would Whites want to trade in one set of Jewish snakes for another set of White snakes simply because they are White?

      The best action Whites can take on their own behalf, and on the planet’s behalf, is to re-embrace their traditional Western-Christian identity, which not only has special enmity for predatory Jewry, but which would also sweep away the modern, selfish and self-serving White snake elites of both Left and Right that so much love, resemble and emulate Jewry.

      I think if done in accordance with a renewed “country first” Western nationalism that punishes treacherous international elites who now see themselves as “citizens of the world,” (yet another international Jew construct), our current snakes-ruling-the-jungle problem could be quickly reversed and perhaps permanently suboordinated.

      Whether Jewish, White, Brown or Pink, let’s use Christianity + nationalism to put the snakes back down on their bellies where they belong.

    • Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
      February 24, 2011 - 9:40 pm | Permalink

      Recently, Gilad Atzmon, an Israel-British Jewish writer and jazz-player who abandoned his Israeli citizenship in protest long ago – wrote that Jews don’t believe in peaceful co-existence, so much so that when they say ‘Shalom’ – they don’t mean ‘peace’. to them the word means “what is good for Jews”.

      http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/gilad-atzmon-proud-to-be-a-self-hating-jew/

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 25, 2011 - 12:51 am | Permalink

      Chris Moore said on February 24, 2011, at 6:46 pm:

      “As I’ve pointed out before here, a lot of English and Anglo White elites are as greedy, treacherous, haughty, two-faced, entitled, and back-stabbing as is elitist Jewry, particularly today since they’ve been so thoroughly Judaized .

      Why would Whites want to trade in one set of Jewish snakes for another set of White snakes simply because they are White?”

      Good question. Better information.

      …anybody?????????????

    • Rob's Gravatar Rob
      February 25, 2011 - 1:24 am | Permalink

      @ethnonationalism
      Your point about ethnocentrism trumping race-centrism among Whites, jews and other groups is a valid observation – an unfortunate one, but a valid one.

      I also aggree with KMD’s response that Whites “should” care about other Whites, regardless of ethnicity, but whether this will happen and to what degree will remain to be seen.
      If as few as perhaps three major countries – say England, France and Germany – were to have a meeting of the minds on this issue, the resulting social and political repercussions would be staggering, I think.

    • ethnonationalism's Gravatar ethnonationalism
      February 25, 2011 - 5:37 am | Permalink

      Rob,

      The only race-centric group on Earth are African Americans. The reason for this is that most African Americans are unable to trace their ancestry to a specific African ethnic group, so they tend to identify with the entire African continent (which is nonsense, IMO).

      Europeans, Middle Easterners and East Asians are not race-centric.
      Three examples come to mind:
      1. Middle East:
      Jews have a conflict of interests with their Semitic cousins (Arabs).
      2. East Asia:
      Mongols oppose Chinese immigration to Mongolia, and China and Japan oppose Korean immigration.
      3. Europeans-American groups:
      Italians from Staten Island couldn’t care less about the Scots-Irish from the South or about Germans in Wisconscin.

    • February 25, 2011 - 12:40 pm | Permalink

      Why should Scots-Irish-American Whites care about Italian American Whites? The question is a good one, particularly under the “divide and conquer” tribal paradigm subscribed and instigated to by Jewry. But unlike ethnocentric Jewry, American Whites truly are increasingly a melting pot. Once they start identifying as Whites instead of some White nationality, this will be good new for them and bad news for Jews.

      But what is the glue that can hold them together? American political nationalism to start, but also the same glue that managed to transform tribal Europe into Western Civilization, while simultaneously acting as a firewall against Jewish and other tribal predators: Christianity.

      American decline and the rise of the Jews can be traced to the decline of traditional Christianity, no question. This trend can also be reversed.

    • ethnonationalism's Gravatar ethnonationalism
      February 25, 2011 - 1:29 pm | Permalink

      Chris Moore:
      “American Whites truly are increasingly a melting pot. Once they start identifying as Whites instead of some White nationality…”

      So, how is this any different from Lenin’s and Trotsky’s intention to melt all Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Estonians, etc. into a single “Soviet nation” (the “new Soviet man”)?

      Or, how is this idea any different from Tito’s idea of “brotherhood and unity”?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_and_unity

      Hence why leftists and internationalists in Eastern Europe love America.

    • February 25, 2011 - 7:12 pm | Permalink

      Kevin MacDonald February 24, 2011 – 2:11 pm

      “They should care because Europe is now part of a much larger world and they have an ethnic-racial (Salterian, if you will) interest in common to prevent being dispossessed by non-Whites. This plugs into our evolved
      psychology if non-Whites can be seen as the outgroup. Such Whites need not oppose local sovereignty of different White groups in Europe. The point is to realize our common interests as Whites.”

      On the contrary, the politicians and the Civil Servants across the EU are bringing in more non White immigrants allegedly to save the Libertarian economic system. The term ‘recognize’ is just intensional i.e psychological, what work can it do? What can anyone do about anything which practically matters (e.g. economically) in ‘White interests’, when right across the EU, acting on the basis of race is strictly proscribed by law (remember when Sarkozy tried this?), particularly by anyone in Public Sector service? Without immigrants, schools would close because of falling rolls (job losses). It’s not just schools, maternity wards and that’s just the beginning. I have covered the bigger picture elsewhere. It may not be popular, but it is evdience driven, as deserves more than abuse as answers, as abuse will just reinforce denial.

      Perhaps some in the USA have not fully appreciated the practicalities of my criticisms of the psychological (in its least damaging guise) as just being verbal luftgebaude?

      To bring this point home consider this. In at least one London borough (and it is becoming a pattern in the East of London), the borough where most of the Financial Service Sector is now based, five years ago only about 25%
      of the school roll at 7 years of age was White British (this is the Maintained School system which educates 90% of the population nationally), and that will probably have shrunk even further as I post. This should give one some idea of how the demographics are changing in some areas. Look at TFRs in Eastern Europe, Spain, Italy Germany, they are worse that the UK’s TFR.

      The issues which I’ve aired in recent weeks have not, understandably, been popular with some of your readers, but some of them do not seem to understand the realities of life in the EU, where laws control behaviour, especially those working in Public Services.

      One can think what one likes, because thinking like having opinions and recognizing etc, in the end doesn’t make any difference as the intensional world is a closed verbal world to itself. Everyone is free in that respect, because the intensional doesn’t physically matter. ‘Mind’ does not matter because mind is not real. In the end only behaviour matters. The laws pertain to behaviours. To acts. EU law manages peoples’ behaviours.

      I have asked other colleagues how writing more papers or books on these issues to do with race etc can possibly change anything (even if they get their work published which, as we know, is a problem). All I can conclude is that it is a business.

      One might solicit money from selling such literature, but it amounts to a kind of soft emotional pornography in some people’s eyes, as nothing can be done except annoy people (mainly because they can’t act, i.e. they are bound by employment terms etc – they are not free in that sense at all, none fo us are).

      I’m open to suggestions as to how and where this analysis is practically wrong. I’m not influenced by verbal abuse, as I’m familiar with offenders and their behaviours so somewhat desensitized to verbal abuse. As long as our demographics are headed as they are, and as long as the FOI and Equality/Human Rights laws are on the statute books, this is the reality, and psychology, I’m afraid is largely just, feminized-brained creative fantasy, or perhaps perverse entertainment chasing a bit of revenue or narcissistic supply as part of a business?

    • February 26, 2011 - 3:15 pm | Permalink

      @ ethno nationalism “how is [the concept of melting-pot America] any different from Lenin’s and Trotsky’s intention to melt all Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Estonians, etc. into a single “Soviet nation” (the “new Soviet man”)?”

      If an Irish-American and an Italian-American make a free will decision to get married, that’s an individual choice, not a socially engineered outcome dictated by government, which is what Lenin and Trotsky were aiming for. Passing a law preventing them from getting married would be far closer to the totalitarian, social-engineering mindset of the Bolsheviks than to the free will mindset of Western Civilization.

      American Whites are already largely too Euro-“mutt” to put the genie back in the bottle, anyway.

      I think MacDonald’s point is that these Euro-mutt Whites should cultivate a generic White consciousness.

      Does this need to be done explicitly?

      I think a cognizance of the presence of self-serving, hostile elite tribalists and internationalists like elitist Jewry who are merely using America for their own ends and don’t respect Western values will cultivate such a consciousness without all the polarizing screaming and yelling like in the video above (other than the now banal accusations of “anti-Semitism).

    • ethnonationalism's Gravatar ethnonationalism
      February 26, 2011 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

      Chris Moore:
      “But unlike ethnocentric Jewry, American Whites truly are increasingly a melting pot. Once they start identifying as Whites instead of some White nationality, this will be good new for them and bad news for Jews.”

      I dont think so.
      Let’s not forget that the term “melting pot” was coined by the Jewish pro-immigration activist Israel Zangwill, who was very enthusiastic in promoting melting of the European peoples in America.

      Jewish activism in the US has always been more anti-Anglosaxon (anti-nativist), than generally anti-White.
      In fact, they even made coalitions with other Euro-American groups (like the Irish) against the Anglos.

      Chris Moore:
      “American Whites are already largely too Euro-“mutt” to put the genie back in the bottle, anyway.”

      Well, there are still many “pure” Italians, Germans, Irish, etc. in the US.
      It would take centuries of mixing to completely eradicate the differences between various Euro-American groups.

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