Asian-Americans are part of the non-White coalition

Kevin MacDonald

Voting sign in LA County. Notice the prominence given to the English version, obviously a residue of America’s racist past.

An op-ed today’s LATimes argues that Asians have signed on in overwhelming numbers to the non-White coalition that has become dominant in the Democratic Party. Based on their experience studying the Asian American community, two political scientists, Taeku Lee and Karthick Ramakrishnan, claim that the main reasons that Asians voted overwhelmingly for Obama have to do with seeing the Republican Party as too concerned with limiting immigration and too much associated with Christianity (Asian Americans turn Democratic).

The 73% of Asians voting for Obama was indeed remarkable—higher than Latinos (71%) or Jews (~70). Given their income profile, Asians are voting much more like Jews who, as the old saw goes, vote like Puerto Ricans but earn like Episcopalians. The point here is that their motives for doing so are similar to those of Jews—a lack of identification with the traditional people and culture of America (although doubtless with far less fear and loathing than is typical of Jews).

Since 2000, the Republican Party has moved more sharply to the right than the Democratic Party has to the left, especially on issues that resonate with Asian Americans. For example, Republicans in Congress escalated their heated rhetoric on immigration and, despite the Bush administration’s efforts, consistently scuttled efforts toward comprehensive immigration reform.

[During the Obama Administration,] the Republican Party has not been helped by its close liaison with the tea party movement, which received low favorability ratings in our 2012 survey, nor by presidential candidates and party activists emphasizing Christian values. Thus a Pew report on Asian American religion showed the highest Democratic Party support among Hindus and the religiously unaffiliated who, together, account for more than 35% of the Asian American population.

Taeku and Ramakrishnan also mention Obamacare and ending the war in Iraq as issues that helped Obama with Asians. But the bottom line is clear:

 If Republicans …  are able to project a more inclusive image of the party on immigration and religious diversity, they can hope to reverse their steep descent among Asian American voters.

So, once again, the Republican Party is encouraged to abandon any allegiance to the interests of its White base. Implicitly, Whites are urged to give up any attitude that immigration should be limited—Whites should have no concern about their displacement and should get on board with transforming the country away from its historical people and culture as soon as possible by admitting even more non-White immigrants.  


Whites should have no concern about the eclipse of the implicit and often explicit understanding that America is a Christian culture. All those tea partiers and their concern that America retain its Christian heritage must simply change their attitudes in order to be acceptable to Asians (and Jews).

Once again we see that multiculturalism has resulted in the racialization of American politics. Utterly predictable. And of course, the standard line is that it’s all the fault of those evil, racist Whites—despite the fact that Whites are the least racialized of any racial group. On average, 80% of non-Whites voted Democrat, while a bit over 60% of Whites voted Republican. But the drumbeat message is that the White base of the Republican Party must change; they must become loyal foot soldiers in the program that is displacing them and making them politically irrelevant.

Whites are clearly becoming racialized—despite the fact that working class and middle class Whites were forced to  choose between  Obama as multicultural icon  and a plutocratic, elitist Republican who did not represent their economic interests.

White the Republicans are urged to become more like the Democrats, the Democrats have firmly embraced what used to be considered the agenda of the far left. Ronald Brownstein notes 

Above all, this was a year when it became clear that, in a time of hurtling change, the two parties now represent a Coalition of Transformation and a Coalition of Restoration. In terms of shaping the Democrats’ long-term trajectory, by far the most important decisions Obama made this year were to dive into the powerful cultural and demographic currents transforming the American landscape. Previously, many party leaders have qualified (or entirely withheld) their support from causes such as gay marriage or legalizing undocumented immigrants, for fear of alienating culturally conservative whites. Obama this year embraced both without qualification; then, for good measure, he accepted a collision with the GOP and the Catholic Church (over the availability of free contraception under health care reform) that crystallized contrasting attitudes about the role of women. Obama, beginning an overdue rebalancing in federal spending, even shifted resources from seniors to the much more racially diverse working-age population by funding health coverage for the uninsured partly through savings in Medicare.

On the Republican side there is an explicitly White take-home message.

This election more clearly stamped the Republicans as a Coalition of Restoration, overwhelmingly dependent on the votes of whites unsettled by those changes. After Obama’s victory, conservative grandees such as Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly portrayed the election as something like the Alamo, with true Americans overrun by hordes of benefit-grubbing minorities and young people …

[There is] a widespread fear among the Right that a heavily nonwhite class of “takers” will vote itself ever-expanding benefits at the expense of mostly white “makers.” …

These comments reveal a profound sense of demographic retreat on the Right that makes explicit the sub rosa implications of the tea party’s 2010 cry to “take back our country.” To the extent that longing means restoring the political dominance of married, churchgoing white families, the most important message of 2012 is that those days are gone. As if with a cannon burst, this election announced the arrival of a reconfigured America. Led by Romney, many in the GOP have responded by raging against it.

Needless to say, Brownstein is among those counseling the Republicans to give up their White base and get with the program:

It’s just a guess, but responding to the needs of this emerging Next America might prove a more profitable long-term strategy.

The dilemma for the Republicans is how to get a 2016 presidential candidate who is on board with the program of the displacement of White America. The Republican elites have repeatedly shown  they will do anything to cling to power a bit longer. But the base is angry indeed. The base rightly sees the situation as approaching Armageddon—the last chance to restore something like the America they grew up in. If such a candidate emerges, they will stay home in droves (as many did this year), angered by whoever wins.

And if, despite all the efforts of Republican elites, a White populist Republican candidate emerges  but loses to the non-White coalition, they will finally realize that drastic measures must be taken if they are to restore their country.

It’s when Whites realize that they can’t win any more that the tensions will explode. Their country has been taken away from them. Who can blame them?

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342 Comments to "Asian-Americans are part of the non-White coalition"

  1. The Admiral On Horseback's Gravatar The Admiral On Horseback
    December 15, 2012 - 7:27 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Thank you very much, gentlemen. I’m currently doing a translation for Dr. MacDonald, which for a number of reasons (among them my laziness being a prominent one) is seriously lagging behind schedule.

    Next time you can see me here commenting around, please ask me if the translation work is going well. Apparently I need some friendly kicks from behind to motivate me.

    Until I finish, I’d like to keep my commenting activity to a minimum.

  2. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 5, 2012 - 1:36 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: I will sign them. Good work your’e doing. Believe it or not on the math books thing, I probably had OVER, 200 books at one time, since my closet was crammed as well as one big bookshelf. Having said that, here’s something you really wouldn’t believe, I owned over 500 books on chess. I mean quality books. The average price of them was between 20 and 25 dollars, this being in the late nineteen seventies!! I know I had over 500 books on chess, because I regularly inventoried them and often would sell some that I found out were classics in the literature of the game and became very expensive. The Chess Players Manual by Howard Staunton, an Englishman that invented the modern form of the chess pieces, was one book I owned. It was an 1856 edition. You see, I never could do things normally. I always had to get carried away with what I got interested in. I once owned 5 VW beetles, and 3 VW vans, not at the same time of course, but I got to know those cares inside out. But as I said before, all of this activity took place before I got married ,etc.

  3. December 5, 2012 - 11:10 am | Permalink


    Bobby, that was very interesting!

    200 books in a subject you don’t take naturally to (if that’s in fact the case…I have some doubt!) is very impressive! Lol!

    I probably had that many too at one time. It wasn’t until my formal mathematical education was over that I began to read about math in all those kinds of books you’re describing, and began to acquire some perspective on what it was I’d been doing in my formal math studies.
    Everyone, our petition about the violent genocide being carried out against Whites in South Africa is doing rather well on the White House site:

    Sanction South Africa for its Genocide of White Farmers!

    But our petition about the larger world-wide white genocide that will wipe us out is still sluggish:

    STOP White Genocide through halting MASSIVE non-white immigration into EVERY white country and ONLY white countries.

    Please sign both!

    Use Obama’s billboard to get our messages out there!

  4. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 4, 2012 - 9:39 pm | Permalink

    I want to come back and add something to my comment here @Richard.

    I wrote:

    Underserved arrogance/bravado
    Lack of self-control (or refusal to exercise it)
    Dismissiveness of other people’s perspective
    Unnecessary aggression

    I want to be upfront about my belief that those qualities (that I listed above) probably exist inside me. Maybe they exist inside everyone, at least as a potential or a seed.

    I want to emphasize that I really do think those qualities exist inside me. Especially at times in the past. I could give different examples, but I won’t.

    I see those qualities in things I’ve said, thought, and done in the past; in the recent past, and in the distant past.

    And our past selves are probably a part of our present self — the 6 year-old Richard is still inside me; the 15 year-old Richard is still inside me; the 22 year-old Richard is still inside me; etc.

    The past is woven into the present.

    Those qualities (listed above) are probably inside so many of us. Especially these days — because of the internet, people seem to be becoming more and more alike. So those negative qualities might spread like an illness. Maybe not.

    One more quick clarification about something I wrote:

    “I want to be clear that I wasn’t thinking of you, Luke, when I came up with that list.”

    Since I clarified that my original comment wasn’t for (or about) Luke, I want to add that it wasn’t really inspired by anyone in particular. However, I do see those qualities in some T.O.O. comments once in a while. But as I already mentioned, they exist inside me and most (or all) of us to some degree. And they have a way of showing up in internet interactions.

    Anyway, it felt important for me to clarify myself, to let others know that I really do see those qualities inside myself. If this comment / clarification is unnecessary (and I figure that only God truly knows whether that’s the case) then hopefully others will forgive me. (I really mean that.)

    I hope others have a good week and a good December. (And a Merry Christmas, to those who celebrate it.)

  5. A Swain's Gravatar A Swain
    December 4, 2012 - 5:53 pm | Permalink


    Quite! There is a lot of substance in what you what about Christianity having been almost totally subverted by the Zionist agenda.

    Here’s a recent example. (I’ve posted it on another thread as well), but that shouldn’t matter, hopefully.

    I’m not so sure about Christianity being our rock any longer!

    Consider the following with regards to the Catholic Church:

    “All of the six new cardinals are under 80 years old and thus eligible under Church law to enter a conclave to elect a new pope. The elite group is known as “cardinal electors”

    All are non-White and non-European.

    That’s right, they now have majority power to elect a non-White from amongst their ranks and undoubtedly will when the present incumbent pops his clogs.

  6. A Swain's Gravatar A Swain
    December 4, 2012 - 5:39 pm | Permalink

    @Sir Tristram:

    The majority of those Left Wing non-Jewish Whites will not identify with White ethnonationalist aspiratons ever, save a tiny handful – maybe.

    For instance, those in the higher political strata would have to be relieved of their well-paid livelihoods in favour of a non-White which, in turn, would have to trickle down to those Whites positioned in middle and lower levels of employment too.

    Only when it become patently obvious that pretty well all occupations across the board currently held by Whites are being now redirected towards non-Whites through subterfuge, will all such Left Wing Whites become genuinely worried.

    However, I doubt if they will be prepared to admit the fact that they are being discriminated against racially and thus alter their support and voting habits to favour White ethnonationalist political movements from there on in. They are more likely to complain loudly and lobby for ‘fair play ‘ by threatening to stop lending support to the usual mainstream parties via activism, finance and the voting booth.

  7. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 3, 2012 - 7:24 pm | Permalink


    Hi Luke

    You wrote:

    “What possible good could come to the White Nationalist movement if the same kind of feminine, emasculated, timid, and general Politically Correct wimpiness that infects groups like these 99.99% White Tea Party losers were to be imported and become the norm inside the White Nationalist community?

    I contend that our struggle is going to be won by strong, self-confidence, determined, masculine White men…”

    Since you mentioned masculinity and strength, I want to share a list of some qualities that I think are sometimes mistaken for strength or masculinity:

    Underserved arrogance/bravado
    Lack of self-control (or refusal to exercise it)
    Dismissiveness of other people’s perspective
    Unnecessary aggression

    I want to be clear that I wasn’t thinking of you, Luke, when I came up with that list.

    Also, I want to be upfront about my belief that those qualities (that I listed above) probably exist inside me. Maybe they exist inside everyone, at least as a potential or a seed.

    Another thing I want to clarify is that I appreciate a lot of what the “men’s rights movement” is doing — bringing attention to different kinds of misandry.

    Anyway, maybe my list isn’t totally right, or helpful. But I figure there is at least some partial truth in what I’m saying.

  8. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Hear, hear!

  9. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Quite right, my husband would never stand for such ill-bred behavior.

  10. stevieb's Gravatar stevieb
    December 3, 2012 - 11:51 am | Permalink

    To believe that Christianity won’t play a part in the liberation of our peoples is shortsided at best, and, imo, reveals a lack of understanding of the role Christianity has played in the contruction and maintanance of ordered civilization for our our peoples for thousands of years – Christians don’t need, and have never needed Jews to be Christians. That is simply false…

    PS THat’s not to say that Christianity is beyond reproach or criticisim – because it clearly is. But to do away with a system that allowed our people to flourish simply because Jews have been able to infiltrate it – is simply playing into Jewish hands ala’ Communism i.e Russia….Jews HATE Christianity for good reason – so they changed it to say what they wanted it to say.

    They know where they can go…

  11. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 3, 2012 - 11:50 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Something tells me that men or boys are not allowed to pass gas or scratch any place that itches inside Alice Teller’s house.

  12. stevieb's Gravatar stevieb
    December 3, 2012 - 11:33 am | Permalink

    I just have to say I tend to agree with that as the future of Anglo-American, Anglo-Canada, Anglo-Australia, Anglo-Britain….THese countries were built, created, flourished under our peoples – that is our future, like it or not…

  13. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 11:15 am | Permalink

    As a daughter, sister, wife and mother of very masculine men, all of whom have made my life very pleasant indeed, I give you my word of honor as a Southern lady that the last thing I want is the feminization of the American male. I merely exercise the traditional right of a lady to draw a distinction between the barnyard and the living room.

  14. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 3, 2012 - 9:25 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I am not insinuating that White females be ‘written off’. For obvious reasons, without them – our race will perish and become extinct.

    Where I draw the line is this attempt by some racially awake White females to bring into this online dialog between racially awake and concerned Whites the same kind of effort to feminize the White Nationalist movement that has already feminized millions of White males in our general society at large. We’ve all seen countless jewish owned news magazines and periodicals where the cover story will be proudly boasting about ‘the feminization of the American male’, which means, feminization of WHITE males. Right?

    What possible good could come to the White Nationalist movement if the same kind of feminine, emasculated, timid, and general Politically Correct wimpiness that infects groups like these 99.99% White Tea Party losers were to be imported and become the norm inside the White Nationalist community?

    I contend that our struggle is going to be won by strong, self-confidence, determined, masculine White men and those men might at times be a little crude or coarse or not quite as polished as Sister Alice might prefer – but, those are the men who we need most as leaders and fighters.

    Hence, I do not think we should be asking for any input from our women when it comes time to pick our leaders.

    Unless we want to wind up being lead by Phil Donahue or Alan Alda types of manginas.

  15. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 3, 2012 - 9:06 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: Jim Giles did a podcast on November 26th, where he had a leading White Nationalist and a leading Southern Nationalist on as guests – and while they covered a number of different topics, the one I enjoyed most was the subject of Christianity.

    The debate was basically centered around the question: “Is Christianity and White Nationalism/White racial survival compatible or incompatible?”

    Both Giles (A southerner) and the Southern Nationalist guest ganged up on the White Nationalist and took the pro-Christianity side and still wound up losing the debate. Nearly all of their pro-Christianity arguments involved traveling back in history, a 100 more years to a point long before the jews had taken over the Christian church and turned it into an instrument of White racial destruction and Cultural Marxist indoctrination.

    I found myself thinking – so what, if 100 or 200 years ago, Christianity did a little better job of protecting White European people from jewish predatory behavior? The point of this argument needs to focus on the present, and perhaps upon the recent past that lead up to the present – and in that context, Christianity has been a complete failure. Actually, it is even worse than that – Christianity is now advancing the anti-White jewish agenda even more aggressively than the jews themselves are and this is what matters most.

    Understandably, for those Whites who’ve been clinging to Christianity for most of their lives, this becomes a very disconcerting adjustment to make – because it is very hard to be completely objective about something for which they’ve got a deep-rooted, emotional attachment. But, facts are facts and the evidence is clear that modern day Christianity is pure poison for White European people who are concerned about the survival of their people.

    Would I like to see Christianity reverse course and become a religion that would have a racial preservation component added to it? Sure. But, that is never going to happen. Christianity has been too completely subverted by Cultural Marxist poison and I would say there is zero chance of ever being able to remove that poison. Even if the wheels began to turn tomorrow to reverse course, it couldn’t happen fast enough to save White European people. We do not have the luxury of time on our side, folks.

    I recommend this podcast to Bobby and any one else who is interested in this debate. One word of caution – they use Skype and the audio quality is sometimes a little poor. Also,
    Jim Giles had a very irritating habit of constantly trying to interrupt his guests when they were making a point and the resulting ‘talk-over’ of multiple voices all jabbering at the same time tended to try my patience.

  16. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 3, 2012 - 8:05 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: “I think any Christian, however, would regard the idea that we need to become more like the Jews in any way at all as insane and repellent.”

    Since Pierre did not specify precisely which flavor of ‘Christian’ he was referring to in this passage, I am obliged to assume he is speaking in non-specific generalities.

    Thus, from where I sit in the bleachers, I get the very distinct sense that millions of these Israel First, jew worshiping, mentally insane ‘Christians’ – who’ve been cheering the bloodthirsty, war mongering neo-cons over the last decade, while they send our mostly White European men and some of our women off to go fight and either die or get horribly maimed for life in wars that jews here and in Israel think it is our duty to fight for them – Christians such as these appear to me to worship jews and not the Christ the jews demanded to be executed.

    If you can stomach it, Pierre, take a close look at some of these crazy fanatics on these tel-evangelist television broadcasts, and I think you’ll see the same thing I see. Namely, that most of these people wish they were jews, and they continually and repeatedly prove it by doing everything they can to help advance the jewish agenda – which is clearly to the detriment of White European people.

    So, as for the idea that ‘pro-Whites’ must adopt jewish tribal thinking in order to survive, I would contend that when one examines the racial break down on the November 6th, 2012 election, it becomes painfully clear that all other races vote according to what they feel is best for their tribe, with the sole exception of Whites. So, in reality, Whites simply have to start doing what jews and every other race routinely and instinctively do, meaning, we need to think, vote, live, behave and organize ourselves in a tribal fashion.

    I will concede the point, however, that jews are perhaps the most hyper-ethnocentric of all races – and Professor MacDonald has done an outstanding job of discussing this characteristic in his series of books.

    I would also remind you that as recently as the late 1800s and early 1900’s, White Europeans pretty much ruled the entire world – and I consider it no minor coincidence that during that same period, White racial pride and White racial consciousness was at it’s peak. Today, jewish racial consciousness is at it’s peak – and guess what we see?

    They now rule supreme over almost every single White Western European nation, with the sole exception of perhaps Iceland. Thus, clearly there is a connection between racial pride, racial awareness and self-confidence and the degree of success a particular race of people can achieve.

    With the IQ potential factored into the equation, of course.

  17. stevieb's Gravatar stevieb
    December 3, 2012 - 2:25 am | Permalink

    I’ve been reading – and enjoying – the comments for nearly an hour now and I keep wanting to sign the damn thing with each time I read your clever requests – but I’m Canadian..(.though I am Anglo-Saxon…)

  18. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 2, 2012 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: Yes, I have been involved with math in some way or other most of my life. The reason is not because I was always good at math, just the opposite. I was always pondering the meaning of every problem I had to solve when in Jr. high and high school,etc. My skill modestly improved when a wonderfull math teacher I had in high school, Mr. Robert Kruzan, told me that I would never understand it by pondering it. The reason he told me, was because, math had developed and was refined over the centuries by brilliant minds, so that a mere pondering of it was not going to unlock its secrets, let alone allow me to pass my math tests. Instead, he believed in teaching by rote, memorization if neccessary, because he said that, that way students wouldn’t fail it and understanding would come later i after much exposure. He was right. So, although I still consider myself a poor student of the subject, over the years I have collected about 200 or so books on math, the topics ranging from the philosophy of mathematics, business math, technical math, books by Isaac Asimov and other popular authors, to just plain books on mathematical puzzles, pastimes etc. a la Martin Gardner and co,etc. There is something in my nature that arrogantly refuses to accept the fact that some things just won’t come easily to me as to others. Now with chess, I never had that problem, having gotten an expert rating in a fairly short time by the U.S.C.F. This activity all ended when I got married but that’s another story……

  19. December 2, 2012 - 9:48 pm | Permalink


    I would ask you what “Deism” is, but that might lead to a religious discussion! :)

  20. December 2, 2012 - 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Bobby, you sound like you may be or may have been pretty involved with math?

  21. December 2, 2012 - 9:40 pm | Permalink


    Lol! I never heard that quote by Hilbert, and I love it!

    I dated a woman some years ago who made fun of me because I couldn’t name a single comedian who’d been popular after about 1960. I told her I bet she couldn’t name a single one of the three or four mathematicians generally considered to be the greatest mathematicians of all time, and of course she couldn’t name a one! (Who can? lol!).

    Of course Hilbert is one, and Archimedes and Gauss certainly, and then I don’t know. Maybe Newton. Inventing the Calculus just so you can express your ideas about physics is pretty impressive. He probably didn’t look at it quite that way…in his time mathematics hadn’t yet separated itself from the real world!

    Which gets to Bertrand Russell’s quote, which I’ve heard before and enjoyed. (Anyone who doesn’t understand it, don’t worry, Newton wouldn’t have either! I’m too tired to be able to explain it right now.)

    I’m not a math genius and I have only a modest knowledge of its history, but to me it’s the most beautiful creation of the white race. It’s history of new vistas unfolding and illuminating the old vistas…I feel blessed to have had a small glimpse into mathematics during my life, and to have been able to teach a few threads of it.

  22. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 2, 2012 - 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Pierre, @Pierre de Craon: Pierre, I’m simply not convinced about the negative role Christianity, per se, has supposedly had on European-Americans where issues of white nationalism are concerned,etc. It’s not convincing to me ON THE WHOLE, and it doesn’t make sense to me.

  23. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 2, 2012 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    P.S. Dumpty, I personally like the great David Hilberts definition of math more than any other I’ve come across, that: “mathematics is what sensible people take the word to mean.” The novelty and weirdness of some of these geniuses has always amused me.

  24. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 2, 2012 - 7:07 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: That’s interesting. Bertrand Russel, certainly no mathematical slouch, said, “Mathematicis my be defined as the subject where we never know what wer’e talking about, nor WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS TRUE!!

  25. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 2, 2012 - 5:16 am | Permalink


    I am pro-White Survival, Alice. And, survivalism is clearly a masculine endeavor, and not a feminine one.

    If we mean basic survival, I would say women are pretty good at it. That does not mean women are built for physical combat – they aren’t. But as far as a general interest in survival, both personally and of their race, the existence of women posting on this board is proof they exist (despite being pretty routinely abused by male posters).

    With an estimated 100 million aborted White fetuses worldwide, I think a very solid argument could be made that White females are not willing to play any worthwhile role whatsoever in the struggle for White European survival.

    But how many times is there a White guy encouraging her to get that abortion? Paying for it if necessary. While White women actually get the abortions, I believe the stats show that men are more in favor of abortion rights (I am for abortion rights, just for full disclosure). But how can you categorically state that “White females” are not willing to play any role in survival, when millions of White women oppose abortion? And there are millions of White women who are members of various conservative and heritage societies who are implicitly pro-White.

    Anything you say about White women in that regard, can be said of White men. We have tons of potential allies out there, no need to write off half of them.

  26. ByTheWay's Gravatar ByTheWay
    December 2, 2012 - 3:45 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:


  27. December 2, 2012 - 2:44 am | Permalink

    A mathematician once said to me, “I could never figure out what the subject matter of religion was.”

    When people start talking about religion, I just wait patiently until they’re done. I view the discussion as a sort of epileptic attack that just has to be waited out.

    But I love the old hymns, and the Christmas music and “Christ the Lord is Risen Today” at Easter…what a beautiful song that is. The religious feeling must be extremely powerful to produce such beautiful music.

    The impenetrable mystery of existence. I can’t understand how people can feel so assured they have penetrated it.

    And the refinements of all those non-penetrations! Really you would enjoy the refinements of mathematics so much more! :)

  28. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    December 2, 2012 - 1:43 am | Permalink

    nothing in the NT even hints at a construct or a ground plan faked by a committee. As Joe Sobran wrote once, not even Sophocles or Shakespeare created a character so incredibly three dimensional that he jumps off the page at you as the Christ of the Gospels does. If they couldn’t imagine such a character, how could a committee?

    It’s true that Nietzsche and the like that believed Christianity was a “Jewish plot” have it completely wrong. Christianity is post-Jewish War Roman propaganda, the pro-Roman version of Judaism for the masses.

    The greatest tragedy in history was that this Roman Jewish cult wound up infecting Europe while mostly being rejected by the Jews it was directed against.

    so incredibly three dimensional

    The Jesus story is a pro-Roman rewrite of the Moses and Joshua story. It’s no more “three dimensional” than Atra-Hasis and a good bit less “three dimensional” than Odysseus.

    Basing your entire way of life and outlook on thousand year old legends from the middle east. Astonishing.


    I’m willing to go along with the Christian myth if the old biddies actually take their Saint Paul’s advice and remain silent.

  29. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    December 2, 2012 - 1:24 am | Permalink

    Christianity matters only if Christ was God and not just another guru or itinerant preacher—the sort that Z.O.G. regularly assures us he was on the basis of the “research” of Internet scribblers. I

    Childishness beyond belief, Surely proof of the Jesuit concept, if you can emotionally manipulate and brainwash a child before the age of 7, you have him under control for life.

    Imagine – someone as intelligent as this – actually believes in some mythological character, like Hercules – but a Jew – and that this mythological character was the incarnation of the creator god (the Hebrew version, specifically.)

    How in the world are these people considered “pro-White” anyway?

    It’s like Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus, but for adults.

  30. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    December 2, 2012 - 12:49 am | Permalink

    Evidence that Jesus is a Myth, Part 3: Indisputable Old Testament Sources

  31. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    December 2, 2012 - 12:48 am | Permalink

    Evidence that Jesus is a Myth, Part 2: Likely Old Testament Sources

  32. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    December 2, 2012 - 12:48 am | Permalink

    Evidence that Jesus is a Myth, Part 1: The Elijah/Elisha Connection

  33. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    December 2, 2012 - 12:47 am | Permalink

    Jesus, Constructed from Moses and other OT passages — According to the Gospel of Matthew

  34. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    December 2, 2012 - 12:46 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Pierre, you don’t want to discuss the subject of Jesus’ historicity, because you’re extremely ignorant of the subject and have no idea what you’re talking about.

    For starters, virtually every detail of Jesus’ life in the NT gospels is a rewrite of an Old Testament story. This is universally acknowledge by NT scholars.

    New Testament Narrative as Old Testament Midrash

  35. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 1, 2012 - 11:42 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Couldn’t have put it better. [sigh] What is more (= worse), I didn’t.


    If the crux of what your saying is Christ must be given the status of divinity and reckoned to have spoken absolute truth (no counter arguments) I have no problem with it at all.

    Let me emend slightly what I wrote in the brief reply to you above. I was actually doing nothing but repeating what Paul said very bluntly around 45 A.D. Christianity matters only if Christ was God and not just another guru or itinerant preacher—the sort that Z.O.G. regularly assures us he was on the basis of the “research” of Internet scribblers. I am not trying to be coarse or irreverent in suggesting that those who think of the New Testament as primarily a source of “wise sayings” might just as well consult Poor Richard’s Almanack, not least because the latter is funnier.

    Pace Z.O.G. and others, nothing in the NT even hints at a construct or a ground plan faked by a committee. As Joe Sobran wrote once, not even Sophocles or Shakespeare created a character so incredibly three dimensional that he jumps off the page at you as the Christ of the Gospels does. If they couldn’t imagine such a character, how could a committee?!

    Thus, the real quarrel is between those who think, in Straussian fashion, that religion is a terrific thing for other people (effectively, the simple and the simpleminded) and those—fender, Luke, Z.O.G., and many others—who think it is at best a waste of the white man’s time, however useful it may once have been, and at worst a major liability for us in the present predicament. As you know, it’s no exaggeration to say that some of them sometimes describe/denounce believing Christians as being as bad as or even worse than the members of the Tribe and call for the same sort of, shall we say, Endlösung for us as for them.

    The trick is neither to become a member of a circular firing squad nor to get caught within one. That is easier said than done, I fear.

  36. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 1, 2012 - 11:06 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: No argument there, Bobby. The actions of those people count heavily toward making others speak and think of Christianity as either a burden or an irrelevancy to our cause. It is neither.

  37. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 1, 2012 - 9:34 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Aside from the emotional revulsion at the thought of aping the Jews, even the biological determinist would acknowledge that the Jews’ millenia of careful husbandry cannot be replicated by mere volition.

    If Jews have used their singular, self-selected talent for sophistry and cavilling to trap us in a legal spider web, then our escape is to dissolve the web, not to vainly attempt to out-weave them.

  38. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 1, 2012 - 7:33 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Pierre, I appreciate your points. If the crux of what your saying is Christ must be given the status of divinity and reckoned to have spoken absolute truth(no counter arguments) I have no problem with it at all. What has always bothered me, is how so many religious “teachers”, have used that authority to beat down their congregations and enforce less than honorable motives.

  39. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 1, 2012 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    @Z.O.G.: Your’e sure about that? We can’t even be sure of events that happened during WW 11, less than seventy years ago or what the reality was behind the Kennedy assasination, less than 50 years ago, but we know for sure what happened over two thousand years ago? Let’s be honest, you don’t know and I don’t know, nor does anyone else have certainty about that time. As I said in my earlier post, it’s a personal thing with me. When I read in the Gospel of John the words,”He who saw it has borne witness–his testimony is true, and he knows that he tells the truth–that you also may believe.” Is this proof of the life of Christ? No. Nevertheless, events of much lesser import are taught as truth in Universities around the world. Why the double standard?

  40. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 1, 2012 - 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Once again, you provide a totally irrelevant statement. We are not in church and you are not my husband.

  41. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    December 1, 2012 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Alice, it’s time that you learned your place as a woman.


    Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
    – 1 Corinthians 14:34

    If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
    – 1 Corinthians 14:35

  42. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 1, 2012 - 1:09 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:
    Thanks, HD.

  43. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 1, 2012 - 12:51 pm | Permalink

    @The Admiral On Horseback:
    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    P.S. to Admiral: I am enjoying this conversation with you so much!

    You aren’t the only one. Please keep it going, gentlemen.

  44. December 1, 2012 - 12:50 pm | Permalink


    “Alice, I think you need to pipe down.”

    I disagree entirely. Now that I feel I understand her just a little better, I’m enjoying the style of her comments on this thread a lot!

  45. December 1, 2012 - 12:45 pm | Permalink

    P.S. to Admiral: I am enjoying this conversation with you so much!

  46. December 1, 2012 - 12:42 pm | Permalink

    @The Admiral On Horseback:

    Here’s what I take from your excellent (thank you!!) post: If we recover from the present debacle, we must never again let white racial consciousness just be tacit as it was in my grandmother’s generation, but must have it made explicit in school curricula, in public pronouncement…in other words, give it the same conscious treatment, and make it the same explicit part of the white Zeitgeist and of white public life, that the anti-whites have made their program of white genocide with their constant public harping about “racism,” etc.

    Bob Whitaker’s suggestion is that that be done in part by relentlessly pursuing reparations from the anti-whites responsible for our attempted genocide, as well as their progeny, thereby creating and maintaining a white loathing for anti-whites, and using the income to fund massive ongoing education of whites about what was done to them….a way of keeping the whole issue of “whiteness” constantly at the front of the white public mind and the white public conscience, pretty much as the anti-whites do today for anti-whiteness with their Holocaust® extortions.

    I think your analysis of my grandmother’s generation is entirely correct, and I thank you so much for advancing my understanding substantially!

    BUT: the requirements of the present moment, when white minds are under the intellectual yoke of anti-whites, are different from what the requirements will be when that yoke has been removed and we control the propaganda organs! The material that will need to be taught to maintain white consciousness after we triumph is a very hard sell right now because anti-whites have already loaded all that material in their favor.

    So right now we need to move a large portion of our energy into Bugs-style activism.

    Except possibly on that last extremely critical point, we seem to be very much in agreement.

    Anyone who hasn’t signed this petition, please sign it:

  47. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 1, 2012 - 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Fortunately,my needs are none of your concern. I am entirely willing to submit to both God and my husband. You are another matter entirely.

  48. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    December 1, 2012 - 12:03 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
    – Matthew 19:12

  49. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    December 1, 2012 - 11:58 am | Permalink


    Jesus didn’t exist. Jesus was the name of a Hellenistic Jewish deity(discussed by Philo of Alexandria) that was later historicized in a Euhemerist type literary process.

  50. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    December 1, 2012 - 11:56 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Alice, I think you need to pipe down.

    A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
    – 1 Timothy 2:11

    I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
    – 1 Timothy 2:12

  51. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 1, 2012 - 11:54 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: I’m both glad and relieved to have read your follow-up comment to Trenchant’s reply to your earlier one. I think all three of us are, roughly speaking, on the same page—at least we’re within the same chapter. That said, I hope you’ll forgive me for rambling on a bit more.

    All truth being one, what you say in the earlier comment certainly isn’t incorrect, Bobby. Still, with respect, it’s far from the heart of the matter. If it weren’t, Christ would rightly be judged a complete flop by the standard we’d apply to a self-help guru—the sort that fills the airwaves during those endless PBS fund-raising drives. It’s only if one takes seriously the blunt remark to Pilate, “My kingdom is not of this world,” that the words, deeds, and example of his (earthly) life take on a perspective with ongoing relevance.

    Of course, the understanding of this perspective’s importance is as old as Paul’s assessment in 1st Corinthians, which boils down to “If Christ wasn’t truly God and didn’t rise from the dead, don’t waste your time listening to anything he said—or for that matter anything I say. Get rich, get laid, make skin flicks—do whatever makes you and those you care about feel good, feel safe, and feel prosperous, because life ends at the grave.” (The rather more eloquent original is at 15:11–20.)

    If the Christian religion doesn’t have God as its founder, I have to agree with Luke and his ilk: get rid of it. It’s more a hindrance than a help. Whites have failed (so the attendant diagnosis goes) because they haven’t out-Jew’d the Jews. Since whites are smarter, more imaginative, and more creative than the Jews are, whites need only add Jews’ ruthlessness toward those outside their tribe to the list of white attributes. Once they do, the Jews will find themselves where they belong: facedown in the mud with a white foot on their neck, waiting for a bullet to the brain.

    Luke, mark, and a lot of others think this would be a great way for things to play out—and not solely because they are counting on other guys doing the dirty work for them. I think any Christian, however, would regard the idea that we need to become more like the Jews in any way at all as insane and repellent.

    I have frequently said that I frankly don’t see the way out of the present morass. Still, I do insist that it’s only the depth and width of the morass that are new. That is, Jews have been on top before, with seemingly nowhere to go but farther up—and then their support structure has collapsed in a virtual instant.* If the “lessons of history”—they are called such from the widespread conviction that human nature and psychology are genetic constants—and (to a Christian) the far more important lessons of a believed-to-be-divine Christ are both founded in wishful thinking, the speciously lucid advocates of a return to a jungle morality of “eat or get et” ought perhaps to be heeded. Whether those advocates ought then to be given the reins of power once the bloody mess is cleaned up—a mess they push for but in whose execution they probably won’t soil their hands or their pricey suits—will remain the only matter for consideration by whoever is lucky enough to be left standing in a post-Christian white nation.

    *I think that this kind of awareness and observation of the past is a sizable component of the optimism we all have noted in the comments of, to take one notable example of several, our colleague Anglo Saxon, who regularly tells us (usually pretty pointedly [☺]) that the Tribe’s position is a lot weaker than it looks. Something else I have often said is that I pray he’s right.
    P.S. To paraphrase something Alice wrote on another thread, everyone around here talks to you, Bobby, and responds to you because you’re a smart, serious, honest guy looking for an effective and practical but also honorable way out of our predicament. My point—hers, too, I think—is that your sort doesn’t precisely lie thick on TOO’s ground. Please keep punching.

  52. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 1, 2012 - 9:07 am | Permalink

    Once again, you demonstrate my point. Survival in the very short term my depend upon males. In the long run, we need men and women who do not define themselves by what they say, but by what they do. I do not absolve women. Men, however, are all too happy to enjoy the benefits of free sex. When was the last time you met a man who was fastidious enough to hold out for a woman who has not been playing musical men for a decade or so?

    In case you missed the class, undue focus on other men’s genitalia rarely results in more white babies – the true key to our survival. This is neither a bathhouse nor a locker room. Try to act accordingly.

  53. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 1, 2012 - 8:18 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I am pro-White Survival, Alice. And, survivalism is clearly a masculine endeavor, and not a feminine one.

    With an estimated 100 million aborted White fetuses worldwide, I think a very solid argument could be made that White females are not willing to play any worthwhile role whatsoever in the struggle for White European survival.

    I suggest you think about that, the next time you see a White female driving around the city you live in and see one of those bumper stickers on her car that celebrate her right to abort any inconvenient fetuses and then come back and tell me which is more vile, my efforts to shame a few White men into regaining their masculinity or the White female celebration of being able to contribute to the genocide of the race that spawned her.

  54. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 1, 2012 - 12:39 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I don’t think Jesus was being diplomatic or serving expediency either. I think he clearly was talking about a human beings duties. God it is said is a God of order, not chaos. Christ was simply saying keep things ordered and do your duty, both to God, and to the world, which cannot exist without order as we are starting to see at the present, when law and order is breaking down in every area in the U.S. and elsewhere.

  55. November 30, 2012 - 8:29 pm | Permalink

    @mark: I believe that these things will stimulate them a bit. But they won’t get fighting mad until there is blood on their faces. See, Wilderness Empire by Allen W. Eckert.
    Jack’s War

  56. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 30, 2012 - 7:56 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: Well here I beg to differ. I consider the response to render unto Caesar his due to be a deliberately cryptic response to the Pharisees’ provocation. They were clearly trying to elicit a public endorsement of tax evasion, knowing this would incur the wrath of Rome. Jesus offers no explanation as to what, if anything, Caesar might be owed, and this confounds and dismays the Pharisees. I just don’t think there exists a diplomatic Jesus, prepared to bow to expediency.

    Supporting wars, internal police state, AA, and who knows how many State loafers is something that sits ill with me, so I do my all to minimize my taxes (working less if all other legal avenues are exhausted) and see nothing unpatriotic with that.

  57. The Admiral On Horseback's Gravatar The Admiral On Horseback
    November 30, 2012 - 7:01 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Sorry for having taken you much younger than you are. :)

    I still don’t fully agree with you. First, the instinctive knowledge didn’t help your grandma’s generation (and it was roughly her generation) to budge on the Jewish Question. As we all know, the non-Arabic Semites were much more disliked circa 1920 than 1940, and we all know the fate of Lindbergh – which merely shows that by 1940 it had been all but impossible to criticize or even to mention the Jews’ by then enormous influence. Without that enormous buildup in Jewish power (under the watch of your grandma’s generation – I’m not blaming her or her generation, just pointing out the fact) the ongoing Jewish-led White genocide would have been all but impossible. Moreover, as you yourself acknowledge, your grandma’s generation failed to instill that instinctive knowledge in their children, your parents’ generation.

    And I still suspect that all this has a lot to do with those clever questions asked by clever people. Maybe they couldn’t make your grandma’s generation stagger, but they definitely could make that to the next generation. And the reason was because those clever guys (“anti-racists” – in reality anti-Whites) did manage to convince your parents’ generation that their beliefs and pro-whiteness have no scientific basis, that they are only irrational beliefs. And I still suspect that it had a lot to do with the fact that it really had no scientific foundations.

    On the other hand, I do like your approach. I don’t think that writing endless studies on differences in the development of Bangladeshi and Chinese children are all that we need. I do agree that we need your approach of selling our ideas to the masses, of creating a mass movement. But I do think we need these studies for intellectuals, so that some bright pro-White activists could ask unsettling questions to those “anti-racists” (a.k.a. anti-Whites), staggering their beliefs.

    So please go on with your approach, which I do like. It’s just that simply we need many approaches, some of which might even have some conflicts with each other. I don’t have problems with that. The non-Arabic Semites also had their internal disputes over which ilk of Marxism is the real True Belief (they still have these debates between neocon anti-Whites and liberal anti-Whites), and it didn’t hinder their efforts at cultural domination, it actually helped them to control both sides of debates. The same thing might happen to us, if we do things good enough. That’s why I’m not opposed to any approach, and I actually like the idea of having many kinds of approaches, because all are needed.

  58. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 30, 2012 - 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Jared Taylor has written a brilliant response to Alex Kutagic’s call for Americans to reject our entire heritage. I am sure it will become a classic in the white canon. We can win with the tools we have. We can save our deceived brethren and especially our daughters from lies and delusions. The truth will set us free.

    I know that theire is justified anger at the positions so many women have taken. If one ignores the fringe, who would find a way to be annoying under any regime, I have great sympathy for young women today. As I read Mr. Taylor’s piece I wondered if white women have in inbuilt need to believe that we are allied with the forces of good. Christianity has been poisoned for many and replaced by the religion of liberalism. Could it be that they simply fear any change – they cannot imagine what would replace it? They may be maddening but they are our own.

    I cannot recommend this piece highly enough.

  59. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 30, 2012 - 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Your vile attacks cannot be considered pro-white, You are merely anti lots of people – many whites included. It is entirely possible to criticism without being insulting and vulgar. Please draw up a list of the dozen or so people you and dixie find acceptable.I will then do my best to avoid them all.

    It has been my experience that men who are obsessed with discussing their genitalia often have no other use for them. Grow up.

  60. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 30, 2012 - 3:49 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: One puzzle that I’ve always struggled with, and perhaps if there are any doctors or surgeons in the TOO reading community, they could chime in with their advice, but when the religious followers and biggest thumpers of Christianity have had their scrotums sliced open and the contents of those scrotums have been magically transported to a pickle jar that sits on a shelf in a museum in Israel that has a sign posted over it that commemorates the vanquished victims of jewish predatory destruction, then just how is it possible to reopen that incision and surreptitiously replace the contents of that empty scrotum?

  61. November 30, 2012 - 2:18 pm | Permalink


    (Luke, it’s been good through the years to read your strong posts!)

    I’ve assumed that most religions are extremely malleable, and usually are shaped to the Zeitgeist of an era much more than they themselves shape the Zeitgiest of an era.

    Christianity certainly has always had its staked pits, into which we’ve finally fallen or been pushed, but did the Christianity of the Spaniards who reconquered their country from the Moors impede them in that reconquest, or aid them? And likewise for the extension of that reconquest to the New World (the answer to that question, I know).

    Their Christianity must have been much more muscular than the Christianity that saps our strength today.

    The Bugs approach is to leave whites at peace with their religion, even if it be some nauseating mixture of Christianity and Holocaustianity, and leave whites at peace with most other presuppositions they may hold, but to invite them instead into new territory where the anti-white enemy has not yet staked its claim and built up its fortifications: “White Genocide.”

    Which after all is the basic issue.
    I’m sure there’s no one here who hasn’t signed this petition yet, but just in case:

  62. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 30, 2012 - 7:33 am | Permalink


    I am convinced that if the US Military were to construct a bomb shelter made entirely from the skulls of expired Christians, that there would be no nuke in the world powerful enough to put even a tiny crack in it, not even after multiple bulls-eye hits.

    Listen, hard heads. The point I have been trying to make – without success – is that if White European people continue to stubbornly cling to a religion that was written for them by the same tribe of enemies who seek to destroy our race, then White European people are going to lose this battle and our enemy is going to succeed in exterminating us.

    Let’s simplify this puzzle a little and use an analogy about football. Let us pretend that Whites are a professional football team and that our #1 rival is a team which consists of the self-chosen Sons of Israel. Let’s also pretend, for the purposes of this exercise, that the roots of our ‘rivalry’ began in 1965. 47 years ago – and in each and every one of those years, our White team has played a Super Bowl game against our #1 rival, and in each and every one of those games, our White team has walked off the field at the game’s conclusion and has been the loser. We’ve not won a single important contest against our opponent, folks. We are 0 and 47.

    Our coaching staff have all become bald headed men, because after 47 years of scratching their heads, they’ve managed to dislodge every root and follicle of hair that ever sprouted from their heads – trying in vain, to figure out why we keep losing over and over again.

    In the mean time, at the beginning of each new season – a package arrives in the mail with a return address of our #1 rival’s main headquarters and our bald-headed coaching staff eagerly tear the wrappings off of the package and inside, they find the Playbook that they have been told to use for the upcoming rematch against their #1 rival. And, since our entire bald-headed coaching staff all suffer from a dastardly combination of C.R.S. and A.D.D., they never realize that this latest Playbook is the very same one they received and followed last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, etc., etc.

    So, once again, the White team takes the field, and once again the coaches and the players are baffled at how the defensive players seem to have some kind of uncanny, supernatural ability to read the minds of the coaches and Quarterback and know what every offensive play is before they even execute it and are there to stop it in its tracks.

    Thus, another year passes, and now the White team is 0 and 48.

  63. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 29, 2012 - 8:14 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: The Christ in the bible is very practical, and knows the world and men for what they are. He has had the spiritual part overemphasized, I believe, by Charlatans. Notice how they never dwell on his basic practicality. When he said give unto Caesar what is Casesars, this wasn’t because he feared Caesar, but because he was giving practical advice on how to keep out of trouble. Too bad his advice isn’t taken seriously by tax cheats like Geithner and his ilk on Wall Street. Afterall, why should they, there’s never any consequences for them.

  64. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 29, 2012 - 8:11 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

    1 Timothy 5:8 KJV

  65. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 29, 2012 - 7:56 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: Nowhere does Jesus endorse payment of tax to Rome, despite the Pharisees’ attempt at entrapment. Those who want to empty their veins or pocketbooks for Israel can do so on their own.

  66. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 29, 2012 - 7:49 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: Luke, I won’t say I agree with everything on your take vs. mine when it comes to how Christianity has been abused by charlatans, however, in principle I agree with your message to Mary. She like so many others, needs to take off the blinders and see what the greater issue is, concerning her, her friends, family and relatives. This turn the other cheek view of Christianity has been so radically abused and misunderstood. One would think it’s obvious. Christ went into the temple and with a whip he himself made,, ‘DROVE OUT, OVER TURNED THE TABLES, AND BANISHED THE MONEY CHANGERS from the house of God. Now, whatever else one believes about Christianity, this isn’t what the left would call “TOLERANCE.”

  67. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 29, 2012 - 2:19 pm | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: So, the turn-the-other-cheek, Christian suicide mind-conditioning rises its head once again.

    Golly, Mary – isn’t it just downright amazing how clever the jews were to dream up the foundations of Christianity and to make sure it was a pacifistic, submissive and universal religion of ‘peace’ and ‘harmony’ and, oh, by the way, don’t forget to ‘love your enemies’ – and then, to compound their cleverness, to foist it upon White European people who they viciously hate and who they want to exterminate from the face of the Earth?

    Why, just think about the beauty of such a scheme as that – to have those who you wish to destroy be so brainwashed that they vow to never lift a finger in their own defense and to never offer any physical resistance to an enemy who has intentions to genocide your entire race?

    I have an idea! Let’s review how that strategy has worked out for White people during just the last century. Solzhenitisyn estimated that the jewish Communists murdered somewhere in excess of 65 million Whites in Russia and the Ukraine. World Wars I and II saw the deaths of well over 50 or 60 million White European people – and each of these wars were, as the jew Oscar Levy once boasted:

    “‘There is scarcely an event in modern Europe that cannot be traced back to the Jews. We Jews are today nothing else but the World’s seducers, its destroyers, its incendiaries, its executioners.’ By the Jewish scholar, Oscar Levy; in his preface to G. Lane-Fox Pitt-Rivers, The World Significance of the Russian Revolution.

    ‘Thanks to the terrible power of our International Banks, we have forced the Christians into wars without number. Wars have a special value for Jews, since Christians massacre each other and make more room for us Jews. Wars are the Jews’ Harvest: The Jew banks grow fat on Christian wars. Over 100-million Christians have been swept off the face of the earth by wars, and the end is not yet.’ (Rabbi Reichorn, speaking at the funeral of Grand Rabbi Simeon Ben-Iudah, 1869, Henry Ford also noted that: ‘It was a Jew who said, ‘Wars are the Jews’ harvest'; but no harvest is so rich as civil wars.’

    Therefore, while White European people around the world have seen their mortal enemies driving a human meat shredder through the ranks of our race, chewing up and slaughtering White humans by the multiple millions – Whites are still posting advice to their fellow Whites that we all must continue to thump our jewish bibles, worship our jewish GOD and keep turning our cheeks and loving our destroyers?

    Oh, I almost forgot to mention the 100 million or so White fetuses that have been aborted worldwide, with somewhere around 45 or 50 million of them right here in America and to show you just how diabolically effective the jewish brainwashing has been – millions of White females consider their right to kill any inconvenient White fetuses as the #1 most important and sacred right that has ever been invented! Incidentally, have you ever picked up the phone book and flipped through the yellow pages and looked at the number of jewish sounding names under the category of Abortion Clinics?

    Here is a Tip: The next time you drive past a synagogue, turn your car radio off and roll down your window and put your ear out through the window and I bet you will hear the howls of delirious laughter echoing out of that building. They are laughing at us, Mary. We are such a puny and disgusting opponent that we refuse to turn and fight and instead, we let our destroyers fill our heads with advice on how we are not supposed to respond?

  68. November 29, 2012 - 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Surgeons think cancer should be treated with surgery, radiologists think cancer should be treated with radiation, and intellectuals think that white genocide should be fought with intellectualism.

    The advertising and public relations industry learned long ago what most of the white movement refuses to learn: the masses are not swayed by intellectual arguments.

  69. November 29, 2012 - 1:47 pm | Permalink

    @The Admiral On Horseback:
    Admiral, the generation in the South that caved to the “civil rights” movement was not my grandmother’s generation that was born in the 1880s. It was my parents’ much-weaker-on-race generation that fought in WWII.

    My grandparents knew as immutably as they knew that God was in his heaven that blacks and whites lived separated! No amount of fancy-Dan questions would have made them doubt what they could see with their own eyes: the sky was blue, and blacks were not whites.

    My parents’ generation that followed them didn’t cave for lack of knowledge. They caved for lack of what my grandparents had.

    I observed the three generations of Southerners in my family, and on race we were strata as distinct as any social archaeologist could wish for.

    It was a pleasure to read your comment that was so clearly expressed (!), but your faith in the persuasive power of elaborately supported facts has been shown for decades now to be just a widely held pro-white fantasy.

    That body of specialized knowledge needs to be continued to be developed for the tiny intellectual minority, but to try to use that same material to move the masses is blindness.

    And yet that is exactly what the white movement has been doing for decades. 95% of our effort is focused on that fairly elaborate intellectual material, and about 5% is focused on practical ways of influencing the masses of whites.

    Those percentages need to be reversed. When disillusioned whites come looking online for other whites like themselves, 95% of the time they find a white website that has a culture of “let’s learn as much as we can about the problems and then sit around and chat about the problems,” and if they stay at the site in spite of that, they fall into that culture and adopt its non-activist habits.

    Much better if 95% of the time they found a website like BUGS that has a culture of getting out in the mainstream and doing something about the problems, and then fell into that culture and adopted its activist habits.

    Please keep signing the petition, folks. 465 signatures now, and the more we get, the more attention will be paid it by whites scrolling through the White House petitions, and the more strongly whites will be exposed to the terms “anti-white” and “white genocide.”

  70. November 29, 2012 - 11:54 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    “…yearly (or semi yearly) demonstrations could be a very good idea. It gives people time to hear about them and know it will happen again.”

    We agree.

    “…it works better if you have at least a decent crowd, like the picture you showed.”

    We agree. (2 or 3 people does not look good!)

    I hope pro-whites with the energy and ability to organize demonstrations will consider doing this. Select some date that’s been important in the white genocide that’s been going on in S. Africa for some time now, and have the very same sort of demonstration in the very same place every year on that date, and stick to it year after year and make it an institution. The numbers of whites attending will grow, and it will serve as a model for other demonstrations on other issues elsewhere.

    Humans need models.

  71. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 29, 2012 - 5:22 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Oh yes, yearly (or semi yearly) demonstrations could be a very good idea. It gives people time to hear about them and know it will happen again. Again I think – and this is not some expert opinion – that it works better if you have at least a decent crowd, like the picture you showed.

  72. The Admiral On Horseback's Gravatar The Admiral On Horseback
    November 29, 2012 - 4:33 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: Harumpty Dumpty, the only problem with the instinctive awareness of your grandma (and millions of others) is that it’s nothing more but instinctive awareness, and it could not be defended when asked “why?” Why you need to keep distance from Negroes, why you need to be mistrustful of Jews, why Negroes look repulsive, why, why, why?

    Now I recognize simple people will never be able to answer these kinds of questions, but they definitely need to know that somebody somewhere much much brighter than themselves knows the answer to these and to many other questions. This safe knowledge is enough.

    Otherwise, when asked clever questions by clever people, they will start to doubt. Obviously they won’t concede they were wrong (nobody ever would do that), but next time they will be much less self-assured, and maybe they won’t even say these above mentioned things. The frequency with which above mentioned things are being said in polite company will decrease, first for fear of receiving clever questions from clever people, then because the decreasing frequency will teach people that it should not be said in polite company at all. Of course brighter people will be the first ones to learn that, so the first impression will be that the brighter the person, the least likely he is to say (and, by implication, to think) such thoughts that your grandma held even a few decades ago. Which will further decrease the frequency with which such things are being said, until such views almost totally disappear, first from public, than from private discourse, and eventually people will internalize the only value they can hear and see from others.

    Indeed, that is what happened. So when someone says “all we need is the same awareness we had 70 years ago”, he misses that point: how far did those people get with this kind of awareness? It came crushing down in a couple of decades or so. In the US, mistrust of Jews was widespread around 1920, it was out of public discourse around 1940 (and we know the fate of Lindbergh). Same thing with blacks: in 1950 segregation was law, by 1970 “racism” became the worst thing one could ever imagine, and “anti-racist” was already a code word for anti-white.

    So that’s why I think seemingly endless studies of minuscule IQ-differences between say Filipinos and Peruvian Mestizos is needed, to create a safe knowledge in ordinary and not so bright people that somebody, somewhere can answer those clever “anti-racist” (in reality anti-white) questions by clever “anti-racist” (in reality anti-white) people.

    Another point, which is often missed, that those “endless” studies are really too few and far between: for every page written about genetic differences etc., the Frankfort School have written a thousand pages on their “anti-racist” (read: anti-white) agenda.

  73. November 29, 2012 - 2:54 am | Permalink

    Everyone here who gives a lot of weight to what KM says, and I certainly do, I hope you’ll read his comments about the S. Africa demonstration he attended that I excerpted above at 8:58 pm. They made a very strong impression on me, and I think he’s right on the money.

    The left understands the power of demonstrations…it’s long been part of their tradition…but to us it is evidently an alien mode that rarely gets much consideration.

    Having a movement without demonstrations…I can’t quite imagine it. But that’s what we’ve been trying to do. The Bugs message is perfect for demonstrations.

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  74. November 29, 2012 - 2:42 am | Permalink

    Jason, I don’t mind if you disagree with me…if you do, I’m interested in your thoughts.

  75. November 29, 2012 - 2:41 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    Thanks. But I don’t think most whites are suddenly going to have an epiphany that connects all the dots for them. For me the dots got connected over time.

    Congrats that you never got sucked into the multi-culti bag. I’m ashamed of how distressingly ordinary I was.

  76. November 29, 2012 - 2:35 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Jason, I can’t let you off that easy! Lol! What do you think of my idea?

    Maybe a regular demonstration scheduled once a year…like the lefties’ may day…would be a better idea….but like may day, it has to be made an institution, something that is THERE, like something that crystals can form around.

  77. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 29, 2012 - 2:21 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    That’s not the way it happened for me. Is that the way it happened for you?

    I grew up in a very white area and I was always skeptical of multi-culti because I could not help but see there is a very big difference. However, I really became explicitly pro White when I hit a turning point.

    For us, PC is all connected. But to most whites, there is no connection between a less-qualified black getting the job the white applied for, and the “right” of blacks to go to white schools.

    I agree until it happens to the the whites themselves or one of their close family members. There is “theory” and then there is reality.

    But you know what does connect it all together? The fact that anti-whites are carrying out a program of white genocide.

    I very much support spreading the mantra . It’s very good. Good work.

  78. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 29, 2012 - 2:05 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Yes, that is a decent turnout. And the people all dressed well and look good.

  79. November 29, 2012 - 1:53 am | Permalink


    And if it’s known that someone like KM is going to be there, that would be an extra draw.

  80. November 29, 2012 - 1:48 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    “…street demonstrations, but I am very skeptical of their value these days…I don’t think they work unless you have numbers.”

    But how to get the numbers is what I’m talking about!

    First of all, please look at this photo I linked above of the demonstration MacDonald attended:

    That’s a respectable number, and the demo got media attention.

    But here’s my point: Have that same demonstration twice every year, publicize the demonstration heavily each time its held, and each time publicize heavily that it’s held twice a year. Turn it into an institution.

    Where I live in Berkeley, there is one street that every year for as long as I can remember has amazing decorations at Halloween. The houses go all out, and it was always pleasant to walk up there and view the fine displays.

    I’d missed a couple of years, and when I went again last year I was amazed…it was like Coney Island….street blocked off by cops, so thronged with people that you could hardly move…word had finally gotten around after umpteen years.

    If you have a regular event that’s good, people eventually start coming in numbers. But the event has to be held regularly and have an attractive history that’s reassuring! It has to be a place to go!

  81. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 29, 2012 - 12:47 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Well on the 70 years, I was thinking of early Klan marches and events as well, which go back far before that. There were various German American groups that had public meetings before WWII, also. However, I realize none of those quite fit the bill of pro-White in the modern sense.

  82. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 29, 2012 - 12:42 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    I wouldn’t stop anybody from street demonstrations, but I am very skeptical of their value these days, for our cause, at this time.

    Why? I don’t think they work unless you have numbers. Showing up with less than 5 people, and especially just 2 or 3, strikes me as looking as if we are tiny. If gives a visual that suggests the number of pro-Whites is microscopic.

    Now, if you have a hundred pro-Whites who will show up in LA, well that is something else. But we are not there right now. I know the Left used to make hay with small numbers, but they had an entire media complex pumping them up. So, the media would make 5 people look like 100. I heard this was done in the 60s. They’d cover some tiny demonstration for ages until finally a lot of people really did show up. But that’s more of an artificial situation.

    But, that’s just an opinion, and there will come a day when much larger numbers will turn out.

  83. November 29, 2012 - 12:19 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    “The turning point is when one card in the house of cards that is political correctness comes loose and the whole thing quickly comes tumbling down.”

    That’s not the way it happened for me. Is that the way it happened for you?

    For us, PC is all connected. But to most whites, there is no connection between a less-qualified black getting the job the white applied for, and the “right” of blacks to go to white schools.

    But you know what does connect it all together? The fact that anti-whites are carrying out a program of white genocide.

  84. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 29, 2012 - 12:00 am | Permalink

    Everyone here has hit the turning point for whatever reason. There will be a time when it hits critical mass.

  85. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 28, 2012 - 11:48 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Everyone seems to be waiting for the Hand of God to swoop in and wake up White people. That will never happen.

    You never know. haha

    I think that the much more likely is that white people are going to hit “the turning point” The turning point is when one card in the house of cards that is political correctness comes loose and the whole thing quickly comes tumbling down. A white person could find his or herself out of a job or college acceptance due to affirmative action , or it could be that someone that white person cares for is discriminated against, and all of sudden the eyes are opened. Or it could be more subtle , as that a white person sides with another white person against a non-white and the PC ugly unfairness is revealed. Once it is revealed it is the turning point.
    It can happen at anytime and it is only a matter of time since PC is only going to get more intense.

  86. November 28, 2012 - 11:29 pm | Permalink


    Actually, Bobby, I’m thinking it might be easier to wake up the mass of whites than to wake up pro-whites.

    Quite a few bugsters have said that, but I guess I’ve needed to have certain experiences before I could understand that it really might be true.

    My Southern grandmother was born in the 1890s. She wasn’t nearly as “awake” to a lot of information as all of us here are. All she knew about Jews was that they’d rejected Christ, were NOT us, were generally pretty smart, and were generally to be treated carefully, though one family she worked for was Jewish and she got along very well with them and was fond of them and thought well of them.

    All she knew about Negroes was that they were DEFINITELY NOT us, were often not too bright, and were to be kept at as much distance as possible. To her like to a lot of Southerners (but certainly not all), Negroes were somewhat physically repulsive.

    She instinctively knew that whites came first.

    I’d say she was “woken up” as much as a white person needs to be woken up. She didn’t know most of the stuff that a lot of you here are wanting white people to know, and she didn’t need to know it.

    I don’t know what thought should come next in this revery, but maybe after a night’s sleep I will know, or maybe someone else here will know.

    It has something to do with the simplicity of what we’re doing at Bugs, and how complicated you posters are keeping it here, possibly in part as a protection against actually doing anything.

  87. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 28, 2012 - 11:22 pm | Permalink

    @Gilbert Jacobi: My preference would be something along the lines of a citizens militia, free from the moral contradictions of a standing army, conscript or otherwise.

  88. November 28, 2012 - 10:55 pm | Permalink

    So, what do you folks think? Would you be able to attend demonstrations like the one Kevin MacDonald attended that I wrote about above? Do you think more of those would be useful? Or do you think Kevin is full of it?

  89. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 28, 2012 - 10:44 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Exactly. it continues in other places in the New Testament, like in the letter of James, “a double minded man, must not expect to receive anything from the Lord.” Or , also in James, “Does the same brook bring forth both fresth water and brackish”. And on and on.

  90. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 28, 2012 - 10:38 pm | Permalink


    Not a lot of punch-pulling evident here. Quite a tirade against the Pharisees.

  91. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 28, 2012 - 10:32 pm | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: I don’t understand your Manichean mindset. To defend one’s own country doesn’t require wiping another country off the map. To eschew the stigmatizing of individual Jews doesn’t equate to support the nation of Israel.
    And he is a shill!

  92. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 28, 2012 - 10:12 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: Good post Luke, that hits the nail right on the issue of true Christians, and the toe suckers you always so correctly speak of. They make me ill.

  93. November 28, 2012 - 9:08 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Mike Conners says of Mike Myers, the organizer of the various South African demonstrations:
    . “Mike Myers insisted that he was going to conduct it in such a way that regular middle class Americans would be comfortable going to it and he was not going to allow any sort of spectacle.”

    Jason, I think that’s the key. I can’t be a Mike Myers, but I wish there were he and some like him doing nothing but, organizing the very same demonstrations, say, every 3 months or every 4 months, just for starters…keeping them safe with police protection, as the last ones were, dressing as KM described, and so over time drawing other frightened-but-almost-willing-whites to the demonstrations. Start small and simple and controlled (and keep it controlled!)

    I disagree with you that we have had demonstrations for 70 years! Maybe you know of some I don’t. I’m used to the continual demonstrations we on the left had in the 60s. It was a culture of demonstration. Today pro-whites are a culture of sit and commentate.

  94. November 28, 2012 - 8:58 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    You can do street demonstrations, but we’ve had them for 70 years and they achieved nothing. Why would having 3 guys with a cardboard sign spark a revolution, when much larger numbers in the past didn’t?

    Jason, I have to disagree with you strongly here. The left built a huge amount of its strength through demonstrations, and I think that getting the message, “Anti-whites are carrying out a program of White Genocide,” out on the streets in the right way is critical. I want to be in a demonstration like the one Kevin MacDonald describes being in below, and carrying a sign, “White GeNOcide,” or “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.” Here’s what I wrote here about that demonstration not long after it took place:

    I agree with Dr. MacDonald that a very key next step is to be out on the street, and I agree with Dr. MacDonald that critical to doing that is ensuring that our demonstrations will not have swastikas, etc. that scare off “regular folk.”
    . Check out this photo of Dr. MacDonald and others at the recent demo in Los Angeles at the South African embassy for what our demonstrations should look like as we move out from behind our computers into public view:
    . At 37:26 in the audio at that link, Mike Conners says of Mike Myers, the organizer of the various South African demonstrations:
    . “Mike Myers insisted that he was going to conduct it in such a way that regular middle class Americans would be comfortable going to it and he was not going to allow any sort of spectacle.”
    . At about 31:30 into the audio, Dr. MacDonald speaks of his own participation in the demonstration,
    . “I just happened to know some people in Southern Ca. here and they contacted me and we talked about the ground rules and who would be there and what kinds of signs and stuff would be there, and so I felt comfortable with it…
    . It was good. It was a good experience to do that. It’s not something that comes natural to me, and it’s something that I’ve resisted, but I think more and more, from a rational point of view we have to be on the street, we have to have public visibility, we have to stand behind our ideas, we have to be overt and be proud of what we’re saying, and so it’s very important to be out there, and so I did it, and I’m sort of looking forward to doing it again…
    . It was just a very good experience, a lot of camaraderie, and people basically being on the same page, concerned about what is happening to White people in South Africa. Of course one of my big themes on Occidental Observer is 
I’m concerned about the future of White people when we are in a situation when Whites are a minority. And that’s what’s happening in South Africa now, Whites are a minority, they’re being attacked because they’re White, some brutal, just horrific attacks…just amazing to see, and of course it’s just not mentioned…
    . It’s very important for us to be on the street. You have all these leftist groups, they love to parade around, they love to get on the news and do demonstrations and sit ins and all this and that, and we’re pretty silent, we don’t get out there, and unfortunately too often when we do that, the people that do it, they’re waving swastikas and stuff, and I think it’s a big show that’s put on by people who are really not on board with our agenda. We’re trying to be reasonable pro-White activists…it’s very important for us to look respectable and reasonable.
    . (at 43:24) One idea I had was that we should have protests about the fact that Pat Buchanan was fired from MSNBC. It’s very obvious the reason he was fired was because he brought up the issue of his concern about the fact that Whites are going to become a minority. They want to take that issue off the table. It’s the kind of thing that if this was on the left there’d be all these protests and there’d be pressure on the advertisers and there’d be all this stuff to get him back on there. But what happens is absolutely nothing. He writes a column about it and it just dies. It’s an indication of our powerlessness. Again, I think that being out there demonstrating, getting in the media, getting these ideas out is certainly a valid way. It’s not the only way, I mean I spend most of my time writing stuff and all that but I do think that protests are effective and they sort of energize…quite a few people who really don’t have a lot of other things that they do, I mean they don’t write stuff and they don’t give speeches or something like that but they can go out and hold a sign and they can be part of this very great experience of being part of a group that’s trying to change things. It really is a good feeling…
    . I’m angry about it. We should all be intensely angry about what is happening. We all have to try to do something besides just sitting there at our computers and absorbing this information, we have to do something. The time frame is not all that long, we have to start making a public presence and really getting out there and screaming about what’s happening.”


    White GeNOcide!

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White!

  95. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 28, 2012 - 8:37 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Yes, the young generation have totally legitimate grievances. But I don’t know that they have a clue who to blame or what a fix would look like. And there is a huge PC complex to help them point the finger at Whites.

    There are some mentions of the term “antiwhite”, for example in the subtitle of the WSJ article, which is a good thing.

    In addition, we will see much more aggressiveness from non-Whites toward Whites. I suspect humiliation tactics will be stepped up against White men – and against White boys in school via various mechanisms. At some point, Whites will realize that they too can be targeted for abuse. But, it may be too late at that point. I’m not sensing any real urgency from Whites.

    And going through a depression isn’t going to do it, in my opinion.

  96. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 28, 2012 - 8:27 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I fear that our young have some very legitimate grievances. Another reason to try and avoid reality. How many different ways can one generation fail another? The truth is often harsh. We meant well starts to sound pretty pathetic – fast!

  97. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 28, 2012 - 8:21 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I do not suffer from that syndrome. Indeed, I think that the clear knowledge that we have made such a dreadful wrong turn and that the fix is going to be very disruptive and ugly is what is preventing so many people from looking reality in the eye. The problem is that it is getting harder and harder to hide from.

  98. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 28, 2012 - 8:12 pm | Permalink

    I have no choice but optimism – I have children. We must all find every way we can to alert people to the truth. Those people who are horrified by the notion of voter suppression often take a different view when I point out that every brown immigrant is automatically moved ahead in the affirmative action line. Speak to people about those things they do care about not those we think they should care about. We have truth on our side.

  99. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 28, 2012 - 8:08 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    The main myth that I wish to dispel, because I have suffered from it myself, is that once the system “comes down”, somehow we magically revert to America 1962. I don’t know how that would happen.

  100. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 28, 2012 - 8:00 pm | Permalink

    As to further examples to what an Anti-White is, here is a facebook post on a news story about a White man who shot a Black guy in self-defense:

    … folks, take a long hard look at Mr. Michael David Dunn, note the physical characteristics: over 40, caucasian, angry looking. There are thousands if not millions of these guys, all over America and they are known to be heavily armed and accustomed to deference in police matters. They feel entitled, resentful of losing an election, and are certain that even without weapon or provocation, an Obama voter is a threat to them. They are bigots. They are losers. They are the worst kind of cowards and they shoot to kill.

    Yes, the poster who wrote that was White. Folks, it is going to get a LOT worse. Brace yourselves.

  101. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 28, 2012 - 7:59 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I learned long ago not to argue with men about numbers. I must admit to being discouraged by all the talk of comprehensive immigration reform. Than I see Congressman Luis V. Gutierrez, sneer at Senator Kay Baily Hutchinson’s efforts to placate .I cannot be alone in my sense of outrage?

    The good news is that our fertility is still under our control. More babies, I am always in favor of more babies.

  102. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 28, 2012 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Bob mentions that Tanto line a lot. When we have enough non-Whites, they will get tired of have Great White Liberals represent them (as they already are). This may leave White liberal a bit stranded and isolated.

    I wish I could say young Whites are going to react as you suggest. Sure, they may feel cheated, but they are likely to be encouraged to vent on their “greedy” White parents who stole everything from them.

  103. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 28, 2012 - 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Bobby. You nailed it as a belief system. This is a very shallow system and as it continues to fail people are going to become very angry indeed. Many sacrifices have been made to what gain? As the rainbow coalition starts feeling its oats, the masks come off. I await the day when some young women I know hear the equivalent of Tanto’s question “What you mean we, white man?”

  104. shrug's Gravatar shrug
    November 28, 2012 - 7:43 pm | Permalink


    “Tiger mom” author Amy Chua. Chinese-Philipino now American married to a jew.

    Wow! that’s a lot of passports.

  105. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 28, 2012 - 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Everyone seems to be waiting for the Hand of God to swoop in and wake up White people. That will never happen. The only way it happens if you aggressively take action. One effective means is posting pro-White messages all over the internet.

    You can do street demonstrations, but we’ve had them for 70 years and they achieved nothing. Why would having 3 guys with a cardboard sign spark a revolution, when much larger numbers in the past didn’t?

    Massive, relentless, posting online is one of the best ways to get a message out there. All of us sitting around chatting with each other has limited value.

  106. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    November 28, 2012 - 7:07 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I like your overall optimisim. Sometimes things do look very bleak but it’s too soon to throw in the towel. I agree when you suggest that Whites may change their PC tune when they see what this system has really done to them. Whites have taken a lot of guff so far but what will these younger people think and feel when they see just how much the government really despises them? You’re right, only time will tell but attitudes can and do change.

  107. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 28, 2012 - 7:06 pm | Permalink


    What a great comment. It’s insightful and honest and touching. It’s great, one of the best I’ve seen.

    I can really relate to it and share some of your concerns, such as genetically modified foods and possible rebirth into an oversexualized culture. And other things.

    Didn’t you mention in one of your previous comments that you are mixed-race? I think it’s admirable that you aren’t anti-White, which seems common among mixed-race individuals.

    Your comments are special. I mean really. When I read your comment I was enthusiastic about replying.

  108. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 28, 2012 - 6:59 pm | Permalink


    That’s a great story and I am afraid very common. The obliviousness is shocking. Sometimes I think they have just retreated into a fantasy world. The WWII generation, while having many admirable traits, is very, shall we say, high on itself. I was always defending them against the horrible 60s generation (and still do), but the WWII crowd, by demanding near worship, have skewed our view of history. They also glorified what was, in effect, total submission to the federal government

  109. Gilbert Jacobi's Gravatar Gilbert Jacobi
    November 28, 2012 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    I just have to answer two commenters right NOW, contrary to what I try to uphold in my own commenting, which is to read and thoroughly understand the whole thread first before lurching in.

    @Pierre de Craon and Trenchant; Sirs, you are hitting home runs in one of my favorite ball parks – the nature of the military, especially the merits of the draft versus an all-volunteer force. I’ve written tons on it at a paleo site and you gentlemen really get it – which is very encouraging to me. I especially like Trenchant’s characterization of “the odd draftee with his unfortunate, tempering humanity…”. I believe this is the heart of the moral strength of the draftee army, and it is precisely because this heart is missing today that I look with foreboding on any civil unrest/secession scenario.

    @StuckInBetween: My heart goes out to you, young-un. You may have a long painful road ahead of you, but it does seem that you are finding your way. I started out in life believing the liberals were right, segregation was wrong, the Jews were always the innocent victims, “if it feels good do it”, and many other fallacies too numerous to mention now. If I, with my limited education, can start to see clearly, so can you – and now you know you are not alone!

  110. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 28, 2012 - 6:34 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I believe there are over 120 million nonwhites in the United States – and they skew young and are breeding faster. And of course we are bringing millions more every year.

    In 1965 the US was 90% white. By 2012 it was only 60% white. This is the fastest “demographic transition” of a large nation in history. The Indians were not wiped out anywhere near this fast (assuming I bought the standard narrative).

  111. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 28, 2012 - 6:26 pm | Permalink
  112. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 28, 2012 - 6:00 pm | Permalink


    All I know to do, is to repeat ad nauseum, a few simple talking points until enough people have heard them. I shouldn’t say that’s the only thing to be done – but as far as developing big ideas relating to the science and philosophy of white people, that has already been done.

    We already have a million little religions and philosophies. We already have a million conspiracy theories about who’s behind it all. What we don’t have is a simple consistent message to reach the people.

  113. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 28, 2012 - 5:57 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Jason, I have nothing more to add to your post but rereading it, I was struck by your last sentence that most whites think they are still living in 1962!!
    I can’t tell you how utterly, and totally true this is. I myself have neighbors on both sides of my home, that are from the so called “greatest generation”, and both couples, have a picture window that their chairs and coffee table are close to. They both have the habit of sitting there, playing cards, or having martinis, in full view of anyone passing by on the street, whether in a car or just walking. I even remember being surprised at the awareness a black comedian had on this when he made jokes about it, saying that no one in the hood he lives in would do such a crazy thing. Now I don’t live in the hood but there have been home invasion robberies near by, robbings of people simply stroling on the streets, and other stuff. But the “greatesst generation”, is oblivioius to all of it. Go figure!! Problem, what problem??!! Now how can anyone think they are aware of broader issues?

  114. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 28, 2012 - 5:39 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Jason I agree with you about 70 or so percent of whites realizing what’s going on. The problem is, as you accurately suggest, realizing something does not neccessarily lead to changing ones ways because of that realization–as we all can attest to at one time or other in our own lives. The salient question is, what cause change?

  115. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 28, 2012 - 5:34 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Great post Alice. I should have read it before I posted since it mirrors more accurately what I just posted to Dumpty.

  116. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 28, 2012 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: Dumty, the operative phrase in your great post is “wake whites up”. O my Lord, what does it mean? Apparently to millions of whites, NOTHING AT ALL, is what I’ve concluded during my time wasting and voracioius reading on this stuff. The answer as to why this is is obvious to me. Millions upon millions of whites, are still deeply, and almost spiritually commited to a system they believe is the way to happiness, but is instead arranged now in a way that is efficiently destroying them, financially, spiritually, and even physically(some of thes morons actually commit suicide because of financial loss,etc.)

  117. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    November 28, 2012 - 5:16 pm | Permalink

    The Myth of American Meritocracy or Jews are Asians ===>

  118. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 28, 2012 - 4:41 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I am inclined to defer to your judgement. I suspect you spend more time in the multicultural landscape than I. We must, however, start somewhere. Dissatisfaction about the prospects for whites is bound to get more people questioning the status quo. Once things begin to change the pace can be dazzling. I am heartened by the petitions for succession. It becomes harder every day to continue the illusion that we can expect to be treated as well as we have treated minorities. Even a small remnant can rebuild.

  119. john's Gravatar john
    November 28, 2012 - 3:07 pm | Permalink

    @Donar Van Holland ‘asians’ do indeed despise whites by and large. They simply come here and smile while they enjoy OUR lifestyle, OUR inventions, OUR money and take OUR jobs. Period.
    Once THEY learn how to produce OUR products, they simply want US out of the way. They are nearly as bad as jews, except they do actually work and produce.

  120. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 28, 2012 - 1:55 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Yes, but if you are only talking about White, I will grant that 70% of them realize they are not served by the current system. So what? They are dying off and a simple bland realization that things “aren’t as good as they used to be”, won’t achieve much.

    Until and unless they realize they face an existential threat, and start acting like it, all these other things won’t matter. If they think it’s just a matter of lax morals or bad economic times or bad tax policy, we go nowhere.

    Whites may get there but the time is short. Most of them seem to think they are living in 1962.

  121. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 28, 2012 - 1:17 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Only time will tell. I look less to people who openly announce for WN and more to people who are looking critically at the system. Kids in their twenties are questioning everything. All major systems have failed them – despite the fact that they are the most compliant, play by the rules, generation in decades. Thirty somethings, even those with good jobs, are afraid of living the high life which was supposed to be their reward for hard work. Those in their forties are facing the reality that it is not easy to begin married life and a family twenty years later than biology suggests. Far too many in their fifties, especially single women, are downright terrified when they realize that they have little savings and no security as they look at the second half of life. What group of whites are well served by the current system?

  122. November 28, 2012 - 1:08 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    And the real goal of multiculturalism is not to have Whites live in harmony with other groups. It is to diminish the number of Whites to as close to zero as possible. If we were betting people, we’d have to say all our great grandchildren will be non-white.

    Exactly! Sometimes pro-whites use the term “the dream of multiculturalism” without seeming to realize exactly what that dream is for the anti-whites who dreamed it up!

    Of course the white masses have been hypnotized to regard it as a dream of universal brotherhood, harmony, etc., and proudly call themselves idealists.

    Last night I stumbled across a nice phrasing by Greg Nyquist, a critic of Ayn Rand: “…idealists believe that their minds create and populate the natural world.”

    Don’t be an idealist, be a practitioner of practical politics and sign here:

  123. November 28, 2012 - 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Not many will read my long post above, so may I please summarize it?

    Like the other non-white groups being flooded into white countries, with whom we’re forced by law to integrate so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence, asian-americans are being used to genocide us.

    In most of this country, WHITES can SEE the flood of non-whites that are now among them, and can SEE mixed couples with mixed children growing more numerous every year.

    So it shouldn’t take a great deal of work to wake whites up to the fact that they are living in the early stages of white genocide!

  124. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 28, 2012 - 12:42 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    And I must say, I see tons of Asians and Hindus doing extremely well. Much better than the average White person. I see ridiculous numbers of them rolling around in Mercedes and living quite well. They will keep supporting a system that favors them.

    I know personally that many of them have a fear/loathing of Whites in rural areas, that they picked up in school and college (and maybe it’s a normal social dynamic). They have contempt for them. That will keep them voting against us.

  125. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 28, 2012 - 12:30 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I wish you were right, but I don’t see any evidence of it. Who sees multiculturalism as bad today, whom didn’t already see it that way 20 years ago? I see no new converts. I see race-mixing picking up at an alarming rate. Several ex-coworkers of mine have married and had children with non-whites in recent years.

    Secondly, I don’t think the failure to deliver the goods means people will reject the current system. I mean non-whites and White liberals aren’t going to change how they vote.

    And the real goal of multiculturalism is not to have Whites live in harmony with other groups. It is to diminish the number of Whites to as close to zero as possible. If we were betting people, we’d have to say all our great grandchildren will be non-white.

  126. November 28, 2012 - 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Another excellent aid to any of you who may decide that working with a group that is already getting the word out to whites about white genocide might offer more hope of success than organizing yourselves a group to get the word out to whites that asian-americans are not on their side (Ha ha ha…sorry! But once a person becomes meaningfully active, the treads here take on a very different appearance than they once had!)

  127. November 28, 2012 - 12:23 pm | Permalink

    “Asian-Americans are part of the non-White Coalition”

    (Pray tell, what non-white group is NOT part of the non-white coalition?)

    There are two unimportant facts about Asian-Americans:

    1. They’re not white. So there’s no reason at all they should feel any bond with us.

    2. “I have much experience watching how newly-arrived Chinese deal with all the ‘free goodies’ available here, goodies like welfare, food stamps, etc….In Chinese culture, the concept of responsibility for ‘the commons’ is practically non-existent….it’s quite clear that there is no ‘moral sense of group obligation’ that extends beyond a family-friend-associate network.” (Gregor, in a post above)

    But there is one important fact about asian-Americans: Like the other non-white groups being flooded into white countries, with whom we’re forced by law to integrate so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence, asian-americans are being used to genocide us.

    It’s time to quit fussing about these various racial groups, and instead wake up WHITES to what is right in front of their eyes once we remind them to look: WHITE GENOCIDE!

    In most of this country, WHITES can SEE the flood of non-whites that are now among them, and can SEE mixed couples with mixed children growing more numerous every year.

    So it shouldn’t take a great deal of work to wake whites up to the fact that they are living in the early stages of white genocide!

    Learn how to do it here:

    But of course, understanding that they’re being genocided would never move a people as much as understanding that asian-americans are not on their side. RIGHT?????

    So you could organize an effort to get the word out to whites everywhere that asian-americans are not on their side (instead of just chatting about it here among yourselves), just as some of us are getting the word out to whites everywhere that they are being genocided, and see if whites’ new understanding about asian-americans will galvanize them into action.

  128. November 28, 2012 - 11:28 am | Permalink

    Yep, I’m still asleep and dreaming. A black dude on commie radio here in Berkeley is saying that black media is black media only if it opposes the mainstream media which is white supremacist media.

    If you understand that mainstream media is anti-white media that supports all measures that hasten the completion of white genocide, then you’ll want to sign this White House petition to STOP White Genocide if you haven’t already.

    It’s finally up on the White House petition site now and exposes the terms “anti-white” and “White Genocide” to all whites who peruse the petitions there.

    A poster at SF wrote this excellent summary of our effort (the petition is only a part of the effort) to use all available publicity to implant those terms in white minds:

    Ideology is a social construct.

    Terminology dictates ideology.

    Getting people to read/use words like anti-white and white-genocide will make people pro-white.

    It’s that simple folks.

    365 signatures now. No need to use your real name or location when you sign:

  129. November 28, 2012 - 11:07 am | Permalink

    “I DO think that we should defend Israel. But I’m talking ONLY if they’re REALLY in trouble.”

    I was surprised to find this in my cereal box when I woke up this morning.

    Maybe I’m still asleep and dreaming.

  130. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 28, 2012 - 10:31 am | Permalink

    I can relate totally to stuckinbetween. I have few friends who are receptive to the truth. I too feel very isolated until I come here or Amren or Stormfront.
    While I agree that the Jews are rats, I would not advocate harming them. That was the point of my little religious sermon. Yes, the original problem is their rejection of Christ, and of course all of the other problems simply flow from that. So, essentially, we are twice handicapped, because not only do we have integrity, but we have to fight their lack of it. It’s tiring stuff and I sympathize with stuckinbetween. Most people are generally not smart enough to figure out what is going on, and spend their lives in denial.
    On the other hand, the wipe ’em off the map mentality isn’t likely to get us very far, even though we seem to be more and more like the Palestinians in terms of being fenced in. I wish I had the answers, and I’m still searching.

  131. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 28, 2012 - 8:50 am | Permalink

    It is always hard to be in the vanguard. I once heard our apparent madness called the slot-machine syndrome. Like some obsessed gambler pouring nickle after nickle in the slot machine we want a payoff for our investment. It is terrible difficult to admit that we were so wrong. You may find a better reception to simply pointing out the dire effects of the route we have taken – eventually people get around to questioning who supplied the bad map.

  132. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 28, 2012 - 8:35 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Of course the damage varies with one’s social circle. I am inclined to think that the over-the-top hysteria we hear of late is simply the death cries of multiculturalism. It has become more and more difficult to continue to pretend that the system delivers the good life to anyone. It now appears that being married to the government offers even less security than marriage to an ordinary mortal man.

  133. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 28, 2012 - 7:36 am | Permalink

    @Junghans: We are a race of Goober and Gomer Pyles, Brother Junghans.

  134. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 28, 2012 - 7:33 am | Permalink

    @StuckInBetween: I can relate to everything you write, StuckInBetween.

    Being ‘awake’ and wise to the identity and machinations of our #1 enemy and being surrounded by a sea of clueless, apathetic morons who’s primary obsession in life is either watching IQ of 80 black criminals playing sports on TV or keeping up with Dancing with the Degenerate Stars – is most certainly a state of mind that makes one feel isolated and lonely.

  135. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 28, 2012 - 7:26 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: I’m not any sort of Bible expert or a theologian, but I do believe that the Christ dude said something about not letting the jews back into Palestine until they had accepted Christ and Christianity.

    However, these devious little rats – in clear defiance of the preconditions that Christ had mandated, conspired to orchestrate two catastrophically destructive and murderous World Wars, using their financial and banking clout to drag the USA into both of these wars in order to secure their Balfour Declaration whereby we charged into the middle east and stole a piece of territory that wasn’t even ours to give, and then gave these devious rats the very thing that Christ Himself told them they could not have – until and unless they accepted Christ and Christianity?

    Anyway, that is how the fairy tale goes as far as I’ve studied it. The jews not only do not accept Christ or Christianity, they spit on both whenever they get the opportunity to do so. Whenever one of their gentile toe suckers like Sarah Palin pays them a visit, this bimbo removes the little Christian cross she normally has on a chain around her neck and replaces it with a star of a dude named David?

    So, defend Israel if they get into ‘really big trouble’? Why should we? These demonic rats have been waging a full scale war of racial genocide against every White European nation on this planet. We owe these monsters nothing but our deepest degree of contempt and hatred.

    And, if i were elected King for a Day – perhaps a half a dozen cruise missiles with lots of frosting on their tips.

  136. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 28, 2012 - 3:07 am | Permalink

    @Luke: Luke, I have the feeling, that this latest stupidness thought up by the stupid party, is going to fail flat out. But, but, who knows? So far, conservatives have shown themselves to be as about intelligent as a box of rocks.

  137. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 28, 2012 - 12:34 am | Permalink

    I am fully aware of the concept of controlled opposition, and everybody from Ron Paul to Alex Jones has been accused of it. I don’t care what you say, I still like Michelle Malkin, simply because of her vicious hatred for Obama. I don’t think she is faking that. Given that Jews own and run the media, you can accuse anybody and everybody of being controlled opposition. Look…push come to shove, I DO think that we should defend Israel. But I’m talking ONLY if they’re REALLY in trouble. I don’t think they should be running our foreign policy. And I damn sure don’t think that Jews should be running America, our financial system, our media, and our immigration policies. No doubt they are a poison for us, but I think that Christ said something to the effect that we had to sort of tolerate them, even while knowing that they are assholes.
    What DO you do with them? The Jewish question haunts all of western civilization. They’re batshit crazy, they have to run everything, they have to own everything, they suffer from the very worst forms of ego inflation imaginable, but they are NOT happy, of that you can be sure. Because deep down they KNOW they’re not working on the right side, and for this they will have to pay, if not in this world then the next.

  138. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 27, 2012 - 11:53 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:Not only is the odd draftee with his unfortunate, tempering humanity absent, but the military and internal security apparatus is careful to deploy men outside their native community, lest local allegiances get in the way of orders. Or rather, the corps is the community.

  139. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 27, 2012 - 10:04 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    When examining all of the theories about the failure of the white liberal dream of multicultural happiness we must not overlook simple human nature.

    Well except that it may not be failing. We just may not be clear on their goal. If the goal is basically to breed Whites out (as I heard a liberal White woman recently say), then it may yet prove a success. She was adamant that only by interbreeding until there are no more White people, could we have “peace”.

    I want to believe it can be stopped. But we have to accept that they may win.

  140. StuckInBetween's Gravatar StuckInBetween
    November 27, 2012 - 9:58 pm | Permalink

    I kind of wish I had never learned about the failures of multi-culturalism and feminism and the degeneracy of Western culture. Growing up in my late teens was such a horrible time that I quickly began to see the world for what it is… Now I am isolated socially but I don’t pity myself because I see the grand picture. The world is run by Talmudic Zionist Jews that are only concerned with service to themselves, as an individual and as a selected group. This service to selves view is evil and oppressive. If we had a society built on service to others it would be so much better. My only hope is that I am a good person and when I die that I do not end up back on this earth, and every day I think that this place is actually hell. The world is devoid of empathy. Feminism destroys woman’s natural tendency for empathy and warmth, and both genders compete in the economic sphere. Both genders end up disenfranchised and without love.

    I’m afraid that the people of The Occidental Observer are few and far between. Who are you beautiful people? Am I just stuck in the mostly clueless 18-24 crowd that only cares about weekend drinking and Taylor Swift? Dare to even mention the sacred Jew word or mention Jewish subversion of White culture and the world and you are struck down, no, don’t ever talk about the sacred cows. Show them the hateful writings of the Talmud… Doesn’t matter you’re just a hateful anti-Semite yourself. Am I living in a nuthouse, folks? The outside seems more insane than the inside. I just don’t understand the thinking process of people who think that multi-culturalism is even good? Do I even have to go through all the examples given in this thread? Once the White nations are destroyed and every one in a Western nation is a light brown color our culture will be the Goy or Kafir (arabic) culture that these Talmudic Zionist wish for us. We will be animals, fornicating and worshiping human idols (main-shitstream music) and zombified with Jersey Shore and (Insert country here)’s Got Talent. Yeah, okay Goy… Go watch some Jersey Shore and worship the sacred cows, then eat your tasty genetically modified organisms while you’re at it too.

    I’m sure most of the people here have a thin group of friends after their awakening to the Jewish problem and the discovery of the Talmudic Zionist Jews that control them. Ordinary folk I think do not want to hear it. Maybe some do not even the capacity to understand it. Maybe I had the wrong friends. Maybe.

  141. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 27, 2012 - 9:12 pm | Permalink

    There is change in the air. The Wall Street Journal acknowledges anti-white bigotry.

  142. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 27, 2012 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I am with you both. The draft was abominable in many, indeed most, ways, but it was our civilian population’s only guarantor of soldiers’ loyalty to it and the only stay on military adventurism.

  143. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 27, 2012 - 8:28 pm | Permalink

    @The Admiral On Horseback: Most kind of you, friend G. Your concern is gratefully acknowledged and deeply appreciated.

  144. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 27, 2012 - 8:17 pm | Permalink

    @Gilbert Jacobi: Exactly my thoughts on the military. Mine is not to question why…etc. History is replete with examples of security forces turned against their own people, counterexamples are far rarer.

  145. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 27, 2012 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

    When examining all of the theories about the failure of the white liberal dream of multicultural happiness we must not overlook simple human nature. I once had a little black girl tell me with great conviction that God did not love them as much as he loved whites. “if he really loved us he would not have given us this hair.” No tale of protection from the tropical sun would have changed her view. As long as plastic surgeons perform nose jobs and remove eye folds, as long as hair dressers straighten, bleach and weave hair, as long as the bright of every nation must be educated in our universities, we will be resented. Simple human nature. Liberals depend on denial of reality. Tell the truth – it will set us free.

  146. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 27, 2012 - 7:03 pm | Permalink

    @The Goy Chevalier: My apologies, you are right about Léon de Poncin’s work, which I confused with another.

  147. The Admiral On Horseback's Gravatar The Admiral On Horseback
    November 27, 2012 - 6:51 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: I wish your health improves soon. Your voice is needed in the comments and – if your time and health permits – in the articles here.

  148. Gilbert Jacobi's Gravatar Gilbert Jacobi
    November 27, 2012 - 6:45 pm | Permalink

    To extend something Joe Arpio touched on above @November 23, 5:03 p.m.; that Asians follow the left because the left controls universities: might this be related to the Chinese custom of following the ruler whom they perceive to have “the mandate of heaven”? This perception historically was the basis for the rapid switch from total allegiance to one dynasty to total allegiance to another. As the fortunes of one dynasty fall, as evidenced by losing wars, crop failures, etc., the people begin to suspect the deity no longer favors it, and look for an alternative. China, as the mother culture of the far east, may have had this influence on other Asians; and they can certainly point to disasters galore with Republicans. Moreover, there’s just the sense out there that whites and the white party are weak now.

    A quick note from history on the loyalty of the military vis a vis “the people”: Shays’ Rebellion, the Whiskey Rebellion, the New York Draft Riots, the Bonus Marchers …. in all these cases, the military followed orders and turned on the people, sometimes even to the point of shooting men who had served side by side with them. What has changed to make us expect today’s military will be different?

  149. The Admiral On Horseback's Gravatar The Admiral On Horseback
    November 27, 2012 - 6:45 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    For more than a century, the claim that E=mc² has never yielded anything of value!

    If we didn’t consider nuclear energy (including nuclear weapons) of any value, you would be very close to the truth with that sentence, if it weren’t for GPS. And of course supposing that astronomy as such is worthless.

  150. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    November 27, 2012 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: What a great suggestion: research into the different levels of gullibility, credulity and overall naivete amongst various races, nations and/or ethnic groups. This would be a most worthwhile and revealing project for somebody like Richard Lynn, I’m sure. Do you suspect that the “fair minded” Anglo-Whites would take the proverbial cake, and win the Dodo Bird credulity prize, hands down?

  151. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 27, 2012 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

    @The Goy Chevalier: Judaism and the Vatican I believe the title to be.

  152. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 27, 2012 - 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Lies and truth:

    Not the standard pulpit material.

  153. KT's Gravatar KT
    November 27, 2012 - 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Anglo Saxon, my point exactly, thank you for clarifying it.

  154. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    November 27, 2012 - 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Gregor, thanks for the info on Asian merchant practices. This does not surprise me though I was not aware of it. The Franchise Tax Board is a vicious operation that specializes in making life difficult for business here in California but I’m sure they have their favorites too………

  155. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 27, 2012 - 1:46 pm | Permalink


    The myth of Jewish intelligence would not exist if it were not for the dominance of a Jewedified Mass Media Machine, Edward Bernays (public relations guru who asserted “mindless greed is good”), and Albert Einstein (mostly made famous by Manhattan’s Einstein worshipping World-Jewry machine).

    During his own lifetime, Einstein was notoriously known as a plagiarist.

    For example, E=mc was penned by someone else long before Einstein was attributed with squaring the speed of light (the constant: c) to render the mass-energy equivalence as: E=mc².

    One of the more plausible precursors to E = mc² is attributed to Fritz Hasenöhrl, a physics professor at the University of Vienna. In a 1904 paper Hasenöhrl clearly wrote down the equation E = 3/8mc². Where did he get it from, and why is the constant of proportionality wrong?

    … which asserts that energy (E) which makes up the matter in any body is equal to the square of the speed of light (c²) times the mass (m) of that body. It is a meaningless, almost nonsensical statement that purports to relate all matter to light. In fact, no theory has successfully unified the laws governing mass (i.e., gravity) with the laws governing light (i.e., electromagnetism), and numerous attempts to derive E=mc² in general from first principles have failed. Political pressure, however, has since made it impossible for anyone pursuing an academic career in science to even question the validity of this nonsensical equation. Simply put, E=mc² is liberal claptrap.

    For more than a century, the claim that E=mc² has never yielded anything of value! Simply because this formula is made up of 100% pure Jewish bullsh*t.

  156. Gerd Reinhard's Gravatar Gerd Reinhard
    November 27, 2012 - 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Luke, I think the famous Lenin quote goes:
    The best way to controll the Opposion is by leading them!

  157. The Goy Chevalier's Gravatar The Goy Chevalier
    November 27, 2012 - 12:07 pm | Permalink

    @Felix: I believe it is in Vicomte Leon de Poncins’ book “Freemasonry and the Vatican: A Struggle for Recognition” that one may find the quote, by a Masonic cogitator and ringleader, in which it is stated that one must never forget and always work in view of the universal mediocrity. Whether one is a part of that majority, an advocate for it, or chooses to take advantage of it is revealed in their thoughts and actions.

  158. Snowhitey's Gravatar Snowhitey
    November 27, 2012 - 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Whites need to stop seeking allies in other racial groups. We have none. Nor do we want any. We should have learned by now that a sure way to subjugate the group is to owe someone else for something we should do ourselves.

  159. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    November 27, 2012 - 11:42 am | Permalink


    A big part of the problem is that we listen uncritically to many of our clergy, people too often who, if they weren’t wearing a Roman collar or a habit, we’d immediately recognize as people with room-temperature IQ’s. Many are do-good sob sisters with good hearts who, unaware of scientifically proveable differences between humans throughout the world, nevertheless, advocate foolish policies.

    Think critically the next time you hear a sermon. You may know more than the man in the pulpit.

    Christ said be “clever as serpents and innocent as doves.” It’s now time to think more about being clever than being innocent.

  160. The Goy Chevalier's Gravatar The Goy Chevalier
    November 27, 2012 - 11:20 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: Mary, I have a gut feeling that your brazen support of that Pacific islander stems directly from the fact that you’re both (I assume) female conservatives. While I respect your position as a woman, I can’t see how you are able to reconcile your infatuation with Malkin and the White identity struggle. Some of your assertions are downright ridiculous, i.e. “She advocates for the White man in stealth mode.” That’s just absurd. That you would vocalize this opinion in the comment section of a piece titled “Asian-Americans are part of the non-White coalition” reveals either your naivety, or your motives. Either way, you just sound silly. There are plenty of hardline, White conservatives who tear both of the Kosher Kolors to pieces. Obviously, they don’t receive the same amount of media coverage and therefore ultimately reach less of an audience. Her direct support and endorsement by mainstream media pundits, major website reviewers, and other slimy tentacles of the Kosher octopus belie your claims of her advocating for the White man. It simply doesn’t work like that, Mary. She’s got more in common with Dinesh D’Souza than she does with you (assuming you’re white).

  161. KT's Gravatar KT
    November 27, 2012 - 9:57 am | Permalink

    @ Bryan, I’ve always suspected that Jewish IQs were fudged, that would be keeping in character. On the off chance that they aren’t the 100 to 110 difference is inconsequential as they represent the ‘masses’ and history shows that the masses accomplish little and always follow their leaders, White and Jewish. Right, there are more Whites so at the higher IQ levels, over 120, there are vastly more of us than them and it’s at these higher levels that change begins. Dr. Macdonald wrote an article on this ‘Jews At U.S.Colleges and Universites’, Sept. 23, 2011. I believe that the past 100 years, the so-called Jewish Century, has been such a bloody and ugly debacle partly for this reason.

  162. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 27, 2012 - 8:26 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: Absolutely. I am frequently amazed at how brain dead blind stupid so many White ‘conservatives’ are about the massive amount of damage that this one family of despicable, treasonous, criminal infested sewer rats have done to this nation.

    Just yesterday, I see an article where this family of filthy human scum are now gearing up to try to foist another member of their evil clan on the GOP in 2016 – Jeb Bush. The Ultimate White Race Traitor who has a Mexican wife.

  163. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 27, 2012 - 8:02 am | Permalink

    @Bryan: I share your suspicions about the exaggeration of jewish IQ, primarily due to the fact that jews are chronic liars and that they are extreme narcissists.

    The Richard Lynn book, IQ and the Wealth of Nations – if I recall, pegged the average IQ of Israel to be somewhere in the low to mid 90s.

    But, really – does it make any difference? Even if the gap were substantially less than 15 points – the fact remains that these jews have still managed to take our nation away from us.

    I’d be interested in seeing some research into the prevalence of gullibility and naivete among the various IQ group comparisons. Whites might be smart on paper, but if you ask me, Whites have to be the world leaders on being the easiest race of people to pull the wool over on. Hey, twice in a span of a 100 years – jews have managed to seize absolute power and control over two White majority nations (Russia and America), shove aside the natural White leaders of those two nations and then impose Bolshevik Communism on one and succeed in murdering over 65 million of it’s White citizens and now, the descendants of those jewish Bolsheviks have their tentacles wrapped around our throats and they are itching to add to their 65 million death toll.

    There is plenty of documentation available in public libraries, in CIA archives, and now on the Internet that detailed the jewish involvement in the horrors of Communism – and the jews themselves have even boasted about their role in it, but White American political leaders still allowed their nation to be taken over by this dangerous tribe of racial supremacists?

  164. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 27, 2012 - 7:44 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: She sleeps next to one of our mortal enemies, Mary.

    Which means her ‘mission’ is actually one that focuses on deflecting the attention and focus of Whites away from the identity of their #1 enemy and to keep it focused elsewhere.

    Are you familiar with the famous Lenin quote where he once observed that ‘the best way to defeat your opposition is to be your opposition’?

    Controlled Opposition 101 class now concludes for today.

  165. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 27, 2012 - 7:39 am | Permalink

    @Joe Arpio: Beware of those who attempt to defuse your racial instincts for survival by heaping large amounts of flattery and praise upon you, Joe.

  166. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 27, 2012 - 12:20 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: Cassandra and all that wooden horse nonsense, what a bore she was those fanciful conspiracies.

  167. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 26, 2012 - 11:59 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor: I couldn’t agree more Gregor, B.F. Skinner not withstanding. (he didn’t believe in the mind stuff and introspection, theories of reality,etc.) I still rate him as one of the greatest who ever lived.

  168. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 26, 2012 - 11:53 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: LOL. I see a lot of them RIGHT HERE at TOO.

    That said, I sometimes slip into the silliness of “blaming the other” for my own problem of not dealing with reality. We Whites do seem to have a bias toward fantasy over reality. Could this be one of our weaknesses? Could this have something to do with our penchant for UNIVERSALIZING the shape of our own mind, and projecting it onto non-Whites who live inside a totally different kind of mind-space? Yeah, like KMac said, we are “unique”. Our first step isn’t to see-say what the enemy is, but to see ourselves better.

  169. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 26, 2012 - 11:24 pm | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas: I couldnl’t agree more Mary. Michelle is a class act.

  170. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 26, 2012 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

    How dare anyone here criticize Michelle Malkin! She’s a liberal slaying BEAST! I defy any of you to name ONE white man who can out white this woman. She’s brilliant, she always has an arsenal of facts to back up whatever she say, and I have yet to see any stupid leftie get the better of her. In fact, I’d say that she is the number one strongest voice for conservatives, certainly the strongest voice in the MSM. I’ve followed her for a long time now, and I love the woman. The venom and spit that sprays from her mouth when she deals with Obama, oh man! And now that i think of it, she probably gets away with more because she’s an asian woman. She advocates for the white man in stealth mode. You dummies here that dislike her couldn’t possibly know her. I say we need all the friends we can get.

  171. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 26, 2012 - 10:56 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Feel better, soon!

  172. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 26, 2012 - 10:54 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Thanks for the reference Trenchant, but believe it or not, I already saw this too. That’s my problem, I see too much of this crap and know too much about it. It’s like being in the country of the blind and your’e one of the few that seems to see. And you know the expression, ” In the country of the blind, the one who sees is the fool. I wish our fellow European-Americans would begin to care enough and become aware enough to start fighting back against all of this garbage.

  173. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 26, 2012 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor: White people who aren’t playing by the same rules, but instead just whine about the “unfairness of it all”, are the ultimate in SILLY”

    Yes they are. I see these kinds all the time on TV shows, documentaries, and other venues, and when they start that whining, helpless, attitude about “what happened to them”, and how it’s “just not fair”, thinking all along that the greater society cares, I simply wish someone would either kick their butts, or just throw a pie in their faces. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES, is their main characteristic.

  174. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 26, 2012 - 10:42 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor: Gregor, I say this with all respect and not to stick a feather into my hat, but you are up to date. You seem to be an American that gets it. Multiculturalism breeds lawlessness, if only because should it neccessitate investigating the business practices of “minorities”, whole groups of people that make a good living defending them against “racism”, will suddenly come on the scene, and the criminality will thus continue. This country is going down–fast.

  175. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 26, 2012 - 10:25 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: Yeah, I got your point. Now I’m looking at Marcy Fleming’s interesting post about San Jose/San Fran — my home area.

    I wonder if Marcy knows what those “respectable” Chinese Viets actually DO in those businesses they all seem to own. Do they ring up your purchase on the register, and of course include CA Sales Tax? Of course they do. Do they then actually PAY the collected tax to the state of CA?

    Well, maybe a little bit. They have more important uses for that money, like paying all the off-books employees in cash whenever they can get away with it.

    I once brought this issue to the attention of a CA Sales Tax official (State Board of Equalization), and he told me they couldn’t do anything about it. He suggested I contact the State Commissioner for this tax, a woman with a Chinese last name.

    You should have seen old Gregor rolling on the floor and laughing! I doubt if that woman has EVER had to pay for a meal in any “Asian” restaurant, once they knew who she “was”. She surely knows “the score”, but to do anything to change things so everyone was “respectabley” playing by the same rules ???? That would be “racist”. It would also break the “rules” of ethnic solidarity which “the Chinese”, no matter what they SAY, live by.

    White people who aren’t playing by the same rules, but instead just whine about the “unfairness of it all” are the ultimate in SILLY!

  176. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 26, 2012 - 10:19 pm | Permalink


    Thank you for this superb comment, which has taught me more than I’ve learned elsewhere in a month—and for which you have already been sneered at! I hope to write a bit more when I feel better.

    @Alice Teller:

    Don’t bury that talent!

    Unfortunately, I have little say in the matter either way. That is, absent health, no human talent is of much use. À bientôt, I hope.

  177. Bryan's Gravatar Bryan
    November 26, 2012 - 8:56 pm | Permalink

    I have always wondered if Jewish IQ was overstated. We know that “white” IQ is 15 points lower than Ashkenazi Jews on “AVERAGE”. That’s an average What we don’t know is whether IQ points are evenly distributed with equal numbers of people ranking above and below the median or if there are just more less intelligent gentiles at the bottom of the IQ ranking to bring down the gentile average. There could be just as many gentiles with the same high IQs ( since there are millions upon millions of more gentiles than there are Jews.

  178. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 26, 2012 - 7:51 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: Not only that, but their nefarious dealings go back generations. #101 has got some interesting stuff on G.H.W. Bush and his infaust Dallas sojourn.

  179. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 26, 2012 - 7:28 pm | Permalink

    @shrug: Thanks for both articles. I believe those who look to the military or police for succour in the coming times are misreading the nature of these institutions. The more structured and rigid the hierarchy, the easier Jews are able to dominate. Fluid, informal groups formed in the bosom of society and family are the most refractory, the last defence against subjugation.

  180. Gilbert Jacobi's Gravatar Gilbert Jacobi
    November 26, 2012 - 6:43 pm | Permalink

    There is no doubt in my mind that you are correct about Wilson. It was Wilson’s nefarious dealings with Brandeis and his organization that caused him to set America on course for collision with Germany and our entry into WW I. This is easily the worst decision, with the most disastrous consequences, by any American president after Lincoln. It was reading about the hold over Wilson Jews had that finally pushed me to the position I have vis a vis them today.

  181. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 26, 2012 - 4:29 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon: Yeah, some whites have the ” it’s all so bE-U-TI-FUL, SYNDROME, when it comes to dangerous places FOR THEM, and remain utterly clueless until the moment of their demise. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES. How can a people be so smart and stupid at the same time?

  182. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    November 26, 2012 - 4:27 pm | Permalink

    No surprise here. The Chinese vote here in San Francisco has always been Democratic. In Orange County the Viets who are mostly Chinese too vote Democratic because of government programs. They are anti-Communist as is the large Viet community up here in San Jose but unlike many Florida Cubans they are not conservative on other issues. They add to the LibDem base but in themselves do not have the numbers to swing most elections.
    Many are respectable but you wouldn’t want them for landlords. Both Mayors of SF and Oakland are Asian.

  183. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 26, 2012 - 4:25 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon: The Bush family has got to be one of the most despicable of the elite families in the U.S. Their dealings with probably the most corrupt Arab regime in the middle east, the Saudis, is enough to make anyone that cares about this country sick. In another day and age, they would have been run out of town but not before being tarred and feathered.

  184. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 26, 2012 - 4:21 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: Gregor, my comment about nationalistic Mexicans meant “nationalistic” from the U.S. side of things is an OXYMORON. I’m sorry I wasn’t clear about it, but glad that you got my point anyway. Most Mexicans I’ve encountered are certainly Mexican Nationalists. It’s always Mexico first with them, no matter how much this country has done fro them and how little Mexico has done for them. Go figure.

  185. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 26, 2012 - 1:20 pm | Permalink

    @Felix: The worst US President of all time was Woodrow Wilson … which is why they buried him in Washington DC … the only one to have been so.

    Prediction ~ the second worst will turn out to be the current one: Barry Soeweto.

    Bush Junior wasn’t even a President. He was just another faggot going through the motions. Cheney was the President when Bush Jnr sat in the Oval Office.

  186. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 26, 2012 - 1:14 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Actually fender, it is the Africans who are LEAST like everyone else. Ethno-Europeans are genetically closer to the Chinese and Indians than we are to the Negro. You can find the genome relational map somewhere online. Sorry, I cannot supply a URL at this point.

    The Negro occupies a genome branch all of their own, which is why miscegenation between them and white women should no longer be tolerated.

    A (white) British Engineer who recently “retired” to a farm in a picturesque area bordering Lesotho, in South Africa —- because he had “fallen in love with the country” while working there on contract at a diamond mine —- was hacked to death the other day. After being stabbed at the entrance to his home, he was then dragged into the kitchen and cut up with machetes. His wife had her skull fractured with a pole and left for dead, but she survived for 12 hours before being discovered by a neighbour. The telephone lines had been cut prior to the attack.

    This heinous act was committed by a gang of three. They stole about 350 dollars and a mobile phone.

  187. dixie's Gravatar dixie
    November 26, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Also—- the “we’re all christians here” would fly better in “wn” if there was even one “christian” leader (LMAO) who wasn’t radically openly committed to the universalist aspect of “christianity.” Many at the Vatican have been very clear about, hopefully, the next pope being non-white. And genuine left activists interrupted so many episcopal gatherings that most people fled. Having the pope try to use that to his own advantage (offering the “fast-track” conversions—- just listen to the phrase, lol!) to the episcopals….

    Pretty tawdry, all ’round. Right?

  188. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    November 26, 2012 - 12:12 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    George W. Bush was possibly the worst president ever.


    -signed, a former republican

  189. dixie's Gravatar dixie
    November 26, 2012 - 12:11 pm | Permalink

    —Idk about “christianity” being the American religion. The catholic christians genocided the real families of the U.S. Founders back in Europe, which is why South Europe is catholic, and America was 99% Northwest Protestant at its founding and through most of its history. The “christianities” even under the “catholic” umbrella (that swears they are all alike, lol) are quite different.

    White Catholics in u.s., according to Pew, are the biggest loss of any religion in the country. Protestants leave almost at the same rate HOWEVER, they move within their own people. (i.e., people from the most attacked churches, like the Episcopalians go to the Baptists, and so on).

    Also— biggest religion gain is actually Asians to Protestantism, again according to Pew.

    In a “good cop-bad cop” way, all the American catholics have benefitted GREATLY by the catholic “Liberation Theology” anti-anglosim created by Jesuits. (The answer to which is they are not “real” catholics.”) Ie, “good cop-bad cop.” They have been “not REAL” catholics, lol, for 1500 years—- so no one really takes such arguments very seriously.

    And they opened the south border (Phil Hart), and keep it open (majority supreme court). They have created a catholic country. It is ABSOLUTELY NOT a “white” religion, lol.

    Christianity in South Europe, may have been good for it 1500 years ago. And that’s great. But to impose on people something they ditched 500 years ago (like in America which was Northwest Euro Protestant) is really weird!!!

    For many Generational Americans, the years since Philip Hart and the Kennedy’s was like being plunged into the Dark Ages, for the past 50 years.

  190. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    November 26, 2012 - 12:06 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Ah, the joys of the propositional “nation” !

    Any “conservative” who says America is a propositional nation deserves to be s*ot.

  191. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    November 26, 2012 - 12:03 pm | Permalink

    If the GOP supports amnesty, the party signs its own death warrant. So be it.

  192. dixie's Gravatar dixie
    November 26, 2012 - 12:01 pm | Permalink

    @ “…because there are many whites on the left who will look our way when they can see the ecological/agrarian/local and pacific concerns of the core constituency….”

    The ecological, environmental (genuine) part of the “left” (often very educated whites) would, maybe, need to be central in a center-white party.

    People who understand the dangerous situation created by multi-cult/ multi-race— will side with the “left” due to the environment.

    This is what makes the Left-Right Coalition government (Warfare-Welfare Statism) so intelligent. (And how it works has made great use of the explosion of literature in psychiatry about the phenomenon of “splitting” versus “repression” as a way populations deal with this, thus the emergence into popular consciousness of the idea of “cognitive dissonance.”)

    The “issues” are split in a way that the populations will “side” with things that are against their interests or against their conscience. Ie, many who are against abortion (“right”) will also be (in reality) “against polluting the environment.” And so on. So no “ticket” really covers you.

    Meantime, the fascist human subject (the human subject existing under the Militarist-Corporatist-Medicalist system) is told “fascism= racism” (the real point of all those Hitler movies.) IN REALITY, lol—- fascism is a economic system, just like communism, and both can be multi-racial (obviously). But the public is emotionally indoctrinated (through highly effective visual-narrative mediums s/a t.v.) that this is not possible. And in addiction, “hard-wired” to be, essentially, schizoid by being acclimating to observing, watching, etc, (to inaction as a response to the world around them).

    —-It’s fairly sophisticated and it does seem to work. (Downside is managing cognitive dissonance in the population—-for which population drugging seems to be the current solution)

  193. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 26, 2012 - 8:41 am | Permalink

    @Argog: I have an old White male buddy from our mutual days in the military. Divorced 5 times, finally settled on an Asian female. From the Philippines. A generally good woman, and likeable. However, while this White male’s two sons have never produced any grandchildren – so, his genes and bloodline will disappear forever when he and his two sons pass on.

    Meanwhile, exactly as is described by Argog – whenever we are spending time together, this White man will continually refer to his ‘nieces’ and ‘nephews’ and ‘grandchildren’ and he is referring to the hoards of Filipinos on his Asian wife’s side of the family.

    Not one of whom shares a single gene with him. So, in essence, this guy has not only embraced the extinction of his family’s genetic bloodline – but he has latched onto the genetic proliferation of an entirely alien race.

    I sometimes wonder if he knows how his constant harping about this gets on my last nerve and if he is doing it just to tweak me. There is something definitely bizarre going on inside White European people these days, because I see and hear an awful lot of them spouting celebratory garbage about how excited they are to see Whites not having babies and about Whites engaging in behavior that ensures the extinction of White European people.

  194. lanceman's Gravatar lanceman
    November 26, 2012 - 12:40 am | Permalink

    I’m not sure how much Romney’s anti-China rhetoric regarding trade issues and China’s military power dissuaded Asians from voting GOP. I KNOW that the only ones to use arms to resist the negroes during the LA riots were Koreans.

  195. The Goy Chevalier's Gravatar The Goy Chevalier
    November 25, 2012 - 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Who is Michelle Malkin? I won’t be visiting VDare ever again.

  196. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 25, 2012 - 10:30 pm | Permalink

    One night I heard the author of ‘The Snakehead’ on Coast to Coast AM radio.
    If you want to understand Chinese folks in USA, thats the book to read.

  197. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 25, 2012 - 10:29 pm | Permalink

    What? Now you are saying Red China is run by Joos?
    I had read [here?] about Fidels beard and how he ‘looked Spanish Jooish’.

    Those rich jooish kids that went to Cuba to cut cane [venceramous brigade, SDS] were working for a greedy mass murderer joo?

    Oh, by the way, according to an article in WSJ, Fidel keeps his millions in a Swiss Banc!

  198. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 25, 2012 - 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Oh yes, Mexico had 5? 10? Million in 1900.
    Now it has 150 Million.
    100 M there.
    50 million Mexi Latrinos here.

  199. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 25, 2012 - 10:19 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:
    Its not Bev Hills, so many Iranians there the ballot is in Farsi fer crying out loud!!!!

  200. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 25, 2012 - 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Don’t give it a thought.

  201. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 25, 2012 - 10:03 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: @Alice Teller: P.S. Alice, I apologize for using gentleman in my comment, without including ladies.

  202. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 25, 2012 - 9:14 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: Good point! He was “mexican in California”, and obviously “awake” to his fellow Mexican’s interests. It was really amusing to see him “naming the Chinese” as “his problem”.

  203. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 25, 2012 - 8:55 pm | Permalink

    My experience with Asians on a social level has been limited to the Japanese corporate class, charming people.( Also the only group of people it could be said I was taught to hate as a child.)

    I agree entirely that our difference with others need not be justified by painting all others as evil. It is sufficient that they all impinge on our right to control our own destiny as a people. We will not force anyone to join us, nor should we be forced to join them. We have a right to exist. We better start fighting for it.

  204. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 25, 2012 - 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Apologies, I meant to add that to a lesser degree than the democrats, but damaging nevertheless, the Republican party is also responsible for the plight of Euro Americans today.

  205. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 25, 2012 - 8:11 pm | Permalink

    I have had experiences with Asians that mirror what BOTH Tom and Joe Arpaio said. I have met nice Asians and devious hostile types. Here is the point gentlemen: It won’t matter in the end whether certain people are nice or not nice, individually. What will drive the dynamics of cultural, or race relations in the U.S. as elsewhere, is POLITICS. And the politics being played by the democrat party and to a lesser but also damaging degree towards whites, does not bode well for whites in this coutry. That’s my opinion. European-Americans have allowed a dynamic to form in this country, that is so utterly negative towards them, that it has now taken on a life of its own, and if the Democrat Party should suddenly do penance and admit that they have denigrated and aggitated so unfairly towards whites, it still wouldn’t matter. The damage has been done.

  206. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 25, 2012 - 8:01 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor: A “nationalistic” Mexican, is an oxymoron Gregor.

  207. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 25, 2012 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    @John L. Bell: John is absolutely correct. Any whites that think the majority of Asians are “white friendly” are highly deluded whites. It’s simply pathetic.

  208. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 25, 2012 - 7:55 pm | Permalink

    @mark: No Mark, they won’t realize where the solution lies. Whites are hopeless and their own worst enemies,–for the foreseeable future, IN MY OPINION.

  209. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 25, 2012 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Dear me, I seem to be cast in the role of the scold today. Shame on you! How can you be so heedless of your gifts – at this time of year? I can think of half a dozen articles which need writing. There is a niche for a good writer who can debunk the pretentious nonsense sent abroad in the land to lead our young into error. Here are two quotes on which you can begin. I came across both in casual surfing today.

    Susan Sontag, As Consciousness is Harnessed to Flesh: Journals and Notebooks 1964-1980, Farrar, Straus, Giroux, 2012.
    Aphorism is aristocratic thinking: this is all the aristocrat is willing to tell you; he thinks you should get it fast, without spelling out all the details. Aphoristic thinking constructs thinking as an obstacle race: the reader is expected to get it fast and move on. An aphorism is not an argument; it is too well-bred for that. (512)

    Here is another assault which not only offends but also misleads.

    Confronted by a broadminded, witty, and tolerant cosmopolitan, for whom the infinite varieties of human custom offered a source of inexhaustible fascination, Thucydides presented himself as a humorless nationalist, an intellectual given to political aphorisms and abstract generalizations. —Peter Green, New York Review of Books, 15 May 2008

    A counter view would seems fresh and new. Don’t bury that talent!

  210. m's Gravatar m
    November 25, 2012 - 4:47 pm | Permalink


    But what will they ever compose? She’s not teaching her children to build culture, just copy it.

    For most people, if they can simply “copy” high culture, that is enough. To expect most Westerners to “compose” is asking a lot. To expect an “alien” to do it may be asking too much.

  211. November 25, 2012 - 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Two hours ago our petition got the 150 signatures which made it visible on the White House site, and then it speeded up….we’re at 174 now. Thank you, all who signed it! And the rest of you, your signatures are still needed!

    Jason, there’s a just-moderated post to you just above.

    I’ll be extremely surprised if the White House site allows this petition to stay up for the next three weeks as it should, since the site states that it reserves the right to remove petitions that are “inappropriate,” I think the word was.

    Yahoo Answers already removed a question on their site today about the petition, very shortly after the question was posted. Well, if anti-whites didn’t make it hard, they wouldn’t be anti-whites, would they! Lol! :)

  212. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 25, 2012 - 4:13 pm | Permalink


    That’s a good point/reminder — men and women often see things differently.

    I remember hearing someone explain it like this, or something like this:

    “Men care about the forest, while women are more concerned with the individual trees.”

    That’s a generalization, of course. But there is probably some truth in it.

    I think a lot of men and women are capable of seeing things from both a masculine and feminine perspective.

  213. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 25, 2012 - 2:40 pm | Permalink

    @JPLex: Well, a last minute “rise again” makes for better press, don’t it? O ye of little faith:)

  214. JPLex's Gravatar JPLex
    November 25, 2012 - 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Jewish Century:
    1. Bolshevik Revolution. Result: Russia ruined. Tens of millions killed. Jews did it.
    2. Weimar catastrophe. Result: Hitler. A hard blow. Americans save Jews.
    3. USA destroyed. Jewish way of thanking the host. Americans on their knees.
    4. Next? I tell you. Look at Zuckerberg et al. Asian missus. Look out Asians….

    And what do you do, my dear americans? You used be The Kings and look at you now… Licking their feet… Shame on you…

    And they laugh, yes, how they laugh at you. Seinfeldt-style.

    Well, there is still hope, but time is running out. You are giving them all you have and time is running out. You gave The Beast a home and now we all pay for it.

  215. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 25, 2012 - 1:25 pm | Permalink


    “For her part, Amy Chau , in her book about raising kids, stated explicitly that high culture manifests through tradition, and because of it, her kids would learn classical music.”

    But what will they ever compose? She’s not teaching her children to build culture, just copy it.


    “A template to watch for: jews intermarrying with Asian women. This is how jews have historically behaved whenever they have a new race of people who are in their demonic cross-hairs and they need to camouflage themselves”

    Yup. The East is definitely their next target for tikkun olam.

  216. November 25, 2012 - 12:07 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Thanks, Jason!

    Anyone who feels my touch here has been too light, and they need to be beat up properly in order to sign, is welcome to consult this SF thread:

    I think that thread is also a good intro to BUGS’ goal and to why the term “white genocide” makes good sense, for those not up to speed on that yet.

    Only 7 signatures needed now for the terms “White Genocide” and “anti-white” to be visible on the White House petition site!

    As well as our not-to-be-forgotten old friend,
    “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white!!

  217. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 25, 2012 - 9:41 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    You are almost there – 141 signatures! Congratulations, this has been a Labor of Hercules you have done.

  218. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 25, 2012 - 9:38 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Outstanding comments on several threads – I haven’t had time to respond. In your case, elegagance of expression matches subtly of thought. I’m contrasting that to so many cases we see today in which a writer has a magnificent style, but says nothing (or less than nothing).

    I must say, I rather selfishly rejoice at your inability to trade in your writing ability for 10 grand a year.

  219. m's Gravatar m
    November 25, 2012 - 8:58 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    In my own experience of them… only among the Japanese did I find a genuine appreciation for the ways, means, and ends of Western music…

    I wrote a reply, but it may be lost in moderation. Perhaps it was too long. Here is an excerpt that touches on your point:

    “Certainly it is a minority. At the same time it is an ideal for these people. And the ideal is what is important. We should all respect the notion that classical music, or any tradition of high culture/civilization, can only flourish if parents believe it is worth while, and then subsequently indoctrinate their offspring. The fact that middle-class Chinese parents believe that Western classical music is important should be something that Western parents in general ought to think about. Especially when viewing the world at large, and when considering their own children’s education. It would be very sad if Western classical forms were preserved only through Asia.”

    From an historical standpoint, it is interesting to note that classical music had its early appearance in China through the intervention of Matteo Ricci, a 16th century Jesuit priest, who gave the emperor two clavichords. At the beginning of the 20th C., the Shanghai Orchestra was mostly created by the Italian conductor, Maro Paci. Lastly, as I showed in my post (if it makes it past moderation), even the Communists respected Western classical forms, albeit in rather distinctly Chinese packaging.

  220. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 25, 2012 - 7:52 am | Permalink

    @m: A template to watch for: jews intermarrying with Asian women. This is how jews have historically behaved whenever they have a new race of people who are in their demonic cross-hairs and they need to camouflage themselves, so they won’t stand out and be seen for what they really are – which is a predatory, parasitic, exploitative organism which is a hostile threat to every other tribe of humans on this planet.

    Michelle Malkin is an example of this template. I’m sure we could find others, if we were to dig into it deeper.

  221. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    November 25, 2012 - 5:05 am | Permalink

    Thank you for your response. See also the old story “The Fox and the Grapes” from Aesop, later from Lafontaine. — I think that the risc of the exstinction of the white race is so large, that we must have many sensors and many antennas which can make visible those forces, which are enforcing the process of that extinction. — It is not good to put every thought upon extremely rich people or to a small tribe or to the hidden upper caste of the small tribe. Maybe these players have a very large part in the process, and it is good to examine that and to look how we can stop this. — But they have many helpers and without the helpers they can do nothing. — And also there are many players who have nothing to do with the little tribe, but nonetheless they also make a part in destroying the white race. — One of these independent players is the the process of “marrying-upwards”. It is an old story all over the world, that the successful men are attractive for beautiful girls. The girl goes upwards in social rank, the man holds his rank because all other men understand his motives very well.The attractiveness or sucess is often money and it many parts of the world it is the non-darkness of the skin. See for example north Egypt and south Egypt. — So “marrying-upwards” means in many parts of the world “marry-ing white”. Only in parts of the world with only white population or a strict apartheid this will not work. So in the US “marrying-upwards” will lead to race mixtures “Korean and US-European”. In Germany this “marrying-up” will often lead to Polish-German, Tchech-German, Whiterussian-German, Russian-German, Baltic-German, Ukraine-German couples. — Both partners are white, and the women in these countries are the same as German women, except that hey have less money (that is the cause for marrying -upwards and go to Germany). The children are looking like 100% German children and by the other Germans they are also accepted as 100% German without the slightest question about the origin. — For us this situation is good. 90% of Germans marry within their own people and from the rest most take a woman from Russia, Poland or so and therefore there is extremely little race mixture white/non-white. Maybe it is helpful for some US-citizens who want to mary to have a look at Russia or these countries.

  222. shrug's Gravatar shrug
    November 25, 2012 - 1:31 am | Permalink


    The most carefully guarded secret in any communist country, including China, is that their leadership are secret jews. The average chinese has no idea their “communist” government as well as the new class of “capitalist” billionaires are jews.

    Communist countries need censorship and tight control to hide the truth that communism is jewish organized crime. Communist countries world wide with their secretly jewish leadership promote the anti-white genocide program. How many Cubans know Castro is a jew?

    How many Americans are aware the leadership of the US military is being purged of white men?

    This article is from Stars and Stripes. Two more naval officers fired. This past year 22 high rank officers were “relieved of duty” in the Navy alone so they can be replaced by jewish and other non-white communists, man-hating feminists, queers, foreigners, criminals and degenerates of all types. Please look at the pictures of the two officers who were recently fired–white European men.

  223. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 24, 2012 - 11:45 pm | Permalink

    @Richard, re, “Political correctness and multiculturalism are unnatural.”

    True enough in nature, not true in a feminized society. Political correctness and multiculturalism
    more or less represent the feminine worldview of nonviolent cooperation in preference to violent solutions to conflict.

  224. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 24, 2012 - 11:24 pm | Permalink

    @Luke, re “Since Asian females are curiously eager to grab onto a White man, and since White men are increasingly disgusted with White feminist liberal females who are all too often, greedy, materialistic, egotistical and conceited beyond all normal belief – this combination of trends does not bode well for the production of White babies or for the long term survival of White European people.”

    Yes, yet another example of where the feminization of the West has led us.

  225. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 24, 2012 - 11:10 pm | Permalink

    @Tadzio, so true, Republican success came when they emerged as the tacitly anti-black party running on themes of anti-crime and anti-welfare. In my view it was the abandonment of this theme that resulted in the Romney loss.

  226. November 24, 2012 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Any anti-whites viewing this thread and others where I’ve struggled to get signers to this petition will be very pleased to see how thoroughly we’re held in their grip by the fear they’ve instilled in us.

  227. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 24, 2012 - 10:46 pm | Permalink

    @Floda, so true, I think that it will ultimately come down to firepower and which way the military goes. No doubt we will see a major effort to increase the nonwhite population of the military.

  228. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 24, 2012 - 10:33 pm | Permalink

    @argog, yes, the idea that we have allies among nonwhites is nonsense and the idea that we can survive through traditional political mechanisms is suicidal. The sooner whites realize this the better.

  229. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 24, 2012 - 7:51 pm | Permalink
  230. November 24, 2012 - 6:43 pm | Permalink
    South Koreans Struggle With Race
    November 2, 2009

    Today, the mix of envy and loathing of the West, especially of white Americans, is apparent in daily life.

    The government and media obsess over each new report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, to see how the country ranks against other developed economies. A hugely popular television program is “Chit Chat of Beautiful Ladies” — a show where young, attractive, mostly Caucasian women who are fluent in Korean discuss South Korea. Yet, when South Koreans refer to Americans in private conversations, they nearly always attach the same suffix as when they talk about the Japanese and Chinese, their historical masters: “nom,” which means “bastards.” …

    Ms. Hahn said that after the incident in the bus last July, her family was “turned upside down.” Her father and other relatives grilled her as to whether she was dating Mr. Hussain. But when a cousin recently married a German, “all my relatives envied her, as if her marriage was a boon to our family,” she said.

    The Foreign Ministry supports an anti-discrimination law, said Kim Se-won, a ministry official. In 2007, the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination recommended that South Korea adopt such a law, deploring the widespread use of terms like “pure blood” and “mixed blood.” It urged public education to overcome the notion that South Korea was “ethnically homogenous,” which, it said, “no longer corresponds to the actual situation.”

    But a recent forum to discuss proposed legislation against racial discrimination turned into a shouting match when several critics who had networked through the Internet showed up. They charged that such a law would only encourage even more migrant workers to come to South Korea, pushing native workers out of jobs and creating crime-infested slums. They also said it was too difficult to define what was racially or culturally offensive.

    “Our ethnic homogeneity is a blessing,” said one of the critics, Lee Sung-bok, a bricklayer who said his job was threatened by migrant workers. “If they keep flooding in, who can guarantee our country won’t be torn apart by ethnic war as in Sri Lanka?”

  231. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 24, 2012 - 6:24 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo: Well, you’re partially right. Red State America is Neocon domain in some respects. However, it’s mainly through a deception and in the end Americans will react to the pain on the domestic front before they send Jack and Jill off to die for Israel. And yes, Ron Paul got axed but he represents one of the primary directions that a younger generation of whites fervently supports and that dovetails with more racially conscious Whites in many respects. This younger generation will not tolerate these ridiculous wars anymore. It’s the same way with the white young on the Left who are getting close to dumping Obama – check interviews with guys like Matt Damon and, believe it or not, that obnoxious Michael Moore. Factor in returning vets who know the score with the smaller percentage of clear sighted Whites on the right who were never foold and you’ve got what I call, a Jeffersonian Revoreaction of magnificent proportions.

  232. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 24, 2012 - 5:47 pm | Permalink

    @Richard: Thank you, Richard. I am very grateful for your generosity. I am not entirely kidding, however, in saying that, if I could, I would trade in what you are good enough to call my way with words for ten grand a year (OK, even five)—or otherwise, at least enough improvement in my health so that I could leave the apartment and get a job that would net me that much.

  233. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 24, 2012 - 5:09 pm | Permalink

    My comment above @Richard was supposed to be addressed to Pierre @Pierre de Craon.

  234. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 24, 2012 - 5:08 pm | Permalink

    “I think, as I’ve frequently written elsewhere, that what is killing us now is plain lack of awareness on the part of most of our fellow whites, Christian and otherwise, of what the Enemy has been doing for longer than anyone can recall. One of the aims of Gregory Hood’s essay is to break through that wall of ignorance (= unawareness, not stupidity).”

    As usual, your comment is well written. There is (practical) compassion and patience in it, too.

    I think a lot of T.O.O. visitors were once in the dark. I was and, to some degree, probably still am. That didn’t mean they/we were stupid. It just meant that at the time, we were… in the dark. Probably for many different reasons that are difficult to see and understand.

    And I don’t think we can take credit (at least not full credit) for the fact that we now have a higher perspective on racial / political / social issues. Many factors outside of our control probably contributed to our awakening.

    Switching topics…

    In one of my comments yesterday under a different article, I wrote about how I’m not able to express myself as well as I’d like to. Even that sentence right there seems a little awkward, possibly incorrect.

    My point is, you have a truly outstanding, great writing ability, Pierre. You’re like a surgeon with words — very precise. It’s more than just a big vocabulary; you know how to use words in a way that most people can’t. And others have pointed this out. So my compliment is not really anything you haven’t already heard.

    I’d love to have your writing ability. It seems more valuable than any physical thing or amount of money. You’re very fortunate in that area of your life.

  235. Rudd's Gravatar Rudd
    November 24, 2012 - 4:53 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon
    Thanks alot Pierre for your much appreciated & informative
    reply. The decievers have made us true believers look foolish.
    The deception started as you say awhile ago..By foolish I mean everyone is jabbering about doing this & that when its
    past the time …
    My hatred for the chosen ones is deeper & I’m more resolved
    not to quit doing anything in my power to spread the word.
    Every Good Wish

  236. m's Gravatar m
    November 24, 2012 - 4:49 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Anent your question about classical music and ethnicity, I can only give a few suggestions. In any case, I suspect that your conclusions are as valid as mine, and your insight as keen.

    First, one must separate “what the kids like” from what parents will tolerate. Most Chinese teens are probably like teens everywhere-to an extent. They enjoy the pop music, and its commensurate lifestyle. Hong Kong style pop music is very popular among Asians, and consists at least visually of cute, very stylish young women singing mostly forgettable tunes, and young men with bad haircuts doing the same.

    For the parents it is different. Amy Chua, part of the Chinese diaspora (not a mainlander), and mostly known for her self-promotion as a “tiger mom,” can be taken as representative of what Chinese mothers desire. Chua married a high powered Harvard law professor, a Jew. White men are a symbol of status for Chinese women, and a means of upward mobility, In general, though, I don’t know that many of them really understand the difference between “generic” Americans, Canadians, Jews, Europeans, etc. They do understand skin color, and upward mobility, though.

    When these partly Americanized Chinese women (and their sisters from upper class families whose husbands are 100% Chinese) raise their kids in the West, a certain strictness that is often uncommon among whites manifests. Indeed, most liberal whites think that this traditional “tiger mom” method of raising children is somehow inhumane, or perhaps akin to the method that James Mill (and the Benthams) used on little John Stuart-that is, one that will lead to the psychological ruin of tender minds.

    With this in mind, classical music, for Chinese, is viewed as a means to develop their children. It is viewed as a way to instill youthful discipline, and is also viewed as a link to something immediately accessible within high culture. In fine, it is seen as a virtuous undertaking. What the children think about it is always secondary, if it is an issue at all.

    Although different in form from that of the West, it must not be forgotten that China produced high culture, albeit one that to the Western mind had strangely stagnated, and even to the modern day Chinaman was one fit to be deprecated, as was the case during the Cultural Revolution [really, the indigenous traditional Chinese culture had been questioned from at least the time of the founding of the Furen Literary Society in 1892, and was fought against up until the eventual repudiation of the hard line leftist Jiang Qinq clique, circa 1976-1980].

    During the Cultural Revolution the power of music (a Platonic notion) was understood as a means of building social cohesion. However, its form could not be traditional Chinese (think Kunqu or the Peking opera), nor could it be distinctly Western style classical music. While it was impossible to directly acknowledge overt Western bourgeois music-forms, there was a nevertheless a convenient work around; that is, a path leading through Russia. One can cite as an example, The Red Detachment of Women, a collaborative score, but one whose principal composer, Wu Zuqiang, studied at the Moscow Tchaikovsky Conservatory of Music prior to the falling out between the two Communist regimes. In this ballet one is distinctly impressed by the Western style of the music.

    For her part, Amy Chau , in her book about raising kids, stated explicitly that high culture manifests through tradition, and because of it, her kids would learn classical music.

    I myself have long discounted the evidence of Chinese and Korean performers of our music (most of them violinists, oddly) as essentially meaningless statistical outliers, given the enormous size of their populations.

    The violin is certainly one Western instrument that has made a tremendous impression on Chinese. That, and the piano. But this is nothing new. About 10 years ago there was a somewhat popular French film, Balzac et la Petite Tailleuse Chinoise, turning on the life and times of some students during the CR. Two of them had been sent to the countryside to shovel shit, as was common then. In one scene, a hapless student plays the violin for the village elder. The composition was Mozart, however inasmuch as the instrument was Western it was suspect as counterrevolutionary. When asked what was being played the student unthinkingly replied, “Mozart.” His friend, realizing that there could be trouble (because Western forms were outwardly forbidden) quickly added, “It’s Mozart is Thinking of Chairman Mao.” The village elder frowned and replied sardonically, “Everybody is thinking of Chairman Mao.”

    But to your point: certainly it is a minority. At the same time it is an ideal for these people. And the ideal is what is important. We should all respect the notion that classical music, or any tradition of high culture/civilization, can only flourish if parents believe it is worth while, and then subsequently indoctrinate their offspring. The fact that middle-class Chinese parents believe that Western classical music is important should be something that Western parents in general ought to think about. Especially when viewing the world at large, and when considering their own children’s education. It would be very sad if Western classical forms were preserved only through Asia.

  237. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    November 24, 2012 - 4:14 pm | Permalink

    @Karlfried: I think you’re right because so much of the anti-White fodder for comedians is a mocking of White appearance and speech. Appearance mockery as opposed to reality based behaviour. And a good amount of that hate is directed at White women. Mockery of their feminity and generally mild attitude. i.e. “They wouldn’t last one day in a black neighborhood.” Mockery of their obvious beauty. It’s like the old saying: If you can’t build the biggest house in town, tear down the other person’s house. That’s what I’ve noticed in black and latino humor and general attitude. With Whites gone, they’ll have a lower standard to maintain. Their own.

  238. Thomas Katt's Gravatar Thomas Katt
    November 24, 2012 - 3:50 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Arpio: In my experience (five years living in Taiwan), Chinese do look up to Americans. They want what we have.

  239. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    November 24, 2012 - 3:44 pm | Permalink


    Fair point.

  240. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 24, 2012 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

    @Rudd: I am as bad at predicting the future as anyone else, but that future doesn’t look promising from any angle. Yet things have turned on a dime in the past and can do so again.

    I think, as I’ve frequently written elsewhere, that what is killing us now is plain lack of awareness on the part of most of our fellow whites, Christian and otherwise, of what the Enemy has been doing for longer than anyone can recall. One of the aims of Gregory Hood’s essay is to break through that wall of ignorance (= unawareness, not stupidity). Who can say whether it will or it won’t? It’s not the first attempt to do so, nor will it be the last. I do not look forward to a complete collapse of American society and the U.S. economic infrastructure, a collapse that could make our parents’ and grandparents’ recollections of the Great Depression seem like the equivalent of a skinned knee in a schoolyard touch football game. Yet I fear that some major disruption of life as we know it will have to come to pass before decent, ordinary white people stop taking the word of the usual suspects in politics and the infotainment world for essentially everything. That is, awareness, when it comes, may be an expensive commodity.

    Those who scoff at white people as stupid tools of the J-crowd for believing what they see and hear on the tube have made a fundamental error of attribution. These good folks aren’t in fact trusting the Enemy; rather, they are trusting the judgment of their parents and other loved elders. The problem is that those people—more precisely, the loved elders of one and two generations earlier—were the ones deceived, deceived by people who kept a profile that was a great deal lower than that of today’s Masters of the Universe. In other words, the deceivers convinced those parents and grandparents that they could be trusted.

    So there it is. Our loyalty to our past has been turned against us by an Enemy whose only understanding of the past—of his own past, at any rate—is one where his ancestors’ failure to rule and plunder us is taken as proof positive that we deserve to be destroyed. Living as we do in an age where the media masters have taught everyone that belief in conspiracies is a clear symptom of madness, even evidence as tall and obvious as the Twin Towers hasn’t been sufficient to bring the Enemy’s own structures of deceit crashing to the ground.

    Under the circumstances, it’s a wonder that despair isn’t more widespread than it is.

  241. November 24, 2012 - 2:38 pm | Permalink


    Let it be YOU!

  242. November 24, 2012 - 2:36 pm | Permalink

    News Flash! News Flash!

    One more signature has been added to our petition this morning!

    This could be the break-out, folks! This could be the balloon going up! Don’t let some other person be the brave pro-white who adds the afternoon signature! Let it be you!

  243. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 24, 2012 - 1:45 pm | Permalink

    More on the voting patterns of “the Asians” in “America” …

  244. torgrim's Gravatar torgrim
    November 24, 2012 - 1:18 pm | Permalink

    @Axe of Perun: There has been no referendum, ever, when it comes to mass immigration into White nations. Majority White nations are told that we must have huge legal and by default, illegal immigration. The Border of the US in the South in a joke, has been for many years. The Border Guards are told to count, not detain the wetbacks. Follow the money, drugs, cheap labor and a dependent class of poor people that can be used. We have been subject to traitors in our own governments.

  245. Rudd's Gravatar Rudd
    November 24, 2012 - 12:33 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon
    I get the feeling that its check & mate in this Zionist Jew
    racial game thats been played. I’m alittle drepressed about it
    & respect your opinion.

  246. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 24, 2012 - 12:32 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: To some extent, when a “real Chinese family”, by which I mean a non-ABC family, has a non-Chinese try to “gain entry” into their “thing” … there are always some kinds of problems.

    Among their extended network there is a potential “loss of face” for not keeping the “thing” purely Chinese. How this is handled is a long story, too long for this space.

    If the “union” is between White Euro and Chinese, there’s not as much loss of “face” as a union between a Negro or Mexican and a Chinese. It’s not about the “individual” at all in “Chinese Mind”, it’s about the effects of an action on the “face” of the participants, in the larger extended community network.

    People who habitually cause “loss of face” are to some extent ostracized. This pattern is visible in ALL tribally-based social “things”, not just “the Chinese”. Irrespective of their cultural high-points, they are still essentially a TRIBAL entity, and not “Civilizational”. This quality is embedded in their language, which is the “controller” of identity for all of us.

    One of my favorite thinkers stated it thusly: “The Mother Tongue is PROPAGANDA”. Decode that and you will see the landscape.

  247. November 24, 2012 - 12:22 pm | Permalink


    Another very interesting post!

    Gregor, mainly re your post about Chinese that preceded this one, do you know how Chinese generally regard Whites who have married into their families? And, if Chinese-White unions have a higher rate of break up than Chinese-Chinese unions or White-White unions (I’m just guessing that they might), what some of the racial/cultural causes are?

  248. Ritual's Gravatar Ritual
    November 24, 2012 - 12:21 pm | Permalink

    I think a lot reason for Whites married to Asians, etc is due to failure of traditional White advocacy for a least the last 60 years.

  249. Alexander's Gravatar Alexander
    November 24, 2012 - 12:13 pm | Permalink


  250. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 24, 2012 - 12:11 pm | Permalink

    @bluegrass: Bluegrass, I have spoken with a fairly “nationalistic” Mexican who lives on the west coast of the USA in a nearby town. When I detect someone who is intelligent enough to “spill some beans”, I like to goad them into spilling them.

    I nudged the conversation toward what “gets his goat”. Since I’m obviously an “Anglo”, I didn’t expect him to tell me the stuff he’s “got” on me. What he did say was how he has a “grudge” against the Chinese in both that town, and back in Mexico.

    He said that “the Chinese” had way too much control over property, and used their property ownership to form a network that “froze out” the Mexicans, and at the same time “bled” the Mexicans via their business practices.

    Why tell this story? This is an “insertion point” for creating division between subgroups of this “Minority Coalition”!

    I agreed with him, verbally patting him on the back for recognizing reality. As Napoleon once said, “Why stop an enemy in the process of making a mistake.”

  251. November 24, 2012 - 11:59 am | Permalink


    This post of yours draws in very clear colors what had only been my very vague impressions before about Chinese. Absolutely fascinating, and essential knowledge, thanks! At one level, the Chinese students I’ve known slightly at UCBerkeley seemed just very American teenagers, and at another level, once they started talking about their families….another universe of feeling and behavior opened up!

  252. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 24, 2012 - 11:57 am | Permalink


    I want add that I think you bring up an important point/reminder: all groups naturally look out for themselves.

    Political correctness and multiculturalism are unnatural.

  253. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 24, 2012 - 11:56 am | Permalink

    @Luke: Luke, you make some fine points in this comment.

    Per my suggested “strategy” above, I have often brought up the topic of the Opium Wars with Chinese I know. It sets them on their “identity edge” … bringing up a historical humiliation of their “Central Kingdom”.

    Then I point out that the Sassoon Opium Empire was not “the English”, but another Tribe entirely; and that “the English” were even at that point well controlled by this same empire … the same empire that created and managed all those “English Colonialist Monopolies” which were the spearpoint of the colonies which became “America”.

    You’d be surprised how many Chinese already “know” this. You’d also be surprised how many Chinese have rolled their eyes (in disgust) when “the Jews” were mentioned. Many Chinese DO see “the difference” … but sadly, not yet enough. This, however, doesn’t mean that “the Chinese” will all sing Kuumbaya with White Culture(s). Leopards are still leopards.

  254. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 24, 2012 - 11:49 am | Permalink


    “What is wrong with you people?

    Asians care about ASIANS FIRST. Stop defending them. They aren’t you friends. Get over it.”

    I’m not assuming that your comment is a response to what I wrote:

    “From my experience, Asians are quiet, respectful, and motivated. At least that’s how they appear.”

    I want to clarify that I don’t support multiculturalism. Whites should be able to live in a White society, without Asians and other non-Whites.

  255. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 24, 2012 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    @Donar van Holland: Donar, most people have NO IDEA why or how “taxes” don’t represent a problem for the overall extended kin network that defines “Chinese Identity”.

    You said, “However, if materialism drives the Chinese, don’t they realise that Democrats will also raise taxes to pay for all these “gifts” they are handing out? ”

    Of course they realize this, but as someone who has been “inside the game”, I know that Chinese in general find ways to avoid/evade all these taxes.

    You don’t think they start all those small businesses just to sit behind a counter and be lonely, do you? A great deal of the cash revenue never sees the light of the balance sheet, if there is even a balance sheet. This is “concealed” in a similar way to how the other tribe’s “law of mesirah” conceals it. Go into any Chinatown and view a business with “employees”. Much of their pay is in cash. Do they pay Workmen’s Compensation Insurance on their payrolls. Very little, because they say all these “employees” are family members, who are exempt. It’s all a scam. It’s just how Chinese culture works.

    We call it “corruption”, they call it “how business is done”. Arguing about them “not playing by the rules” is hilariously funny, and useless. Leopards don’t change their spots … but silly White people think telling the leopard to change its spots will work.

    We too can play this game, but only when we get past our closed-system thinking that says we have to play by rules that nobody else is playing by.

  256. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 24, 2012 - 11:35 am | Permalink

    @Axe of Perun: Axe, I’m glad you pointed this out.

    I’ve heard it called “Niche Theory”, and displayed as “No two subspecies of a species can occupy the same area without conflict.”

    That conflict is over control of “power niches”, which provide access to food resources and reproductive opportunities.

    So It’s possible for two different subspecies to “occupy” the same area, but not on terms of “equality”. There will be conflict between the subspecies until …

    1. Someone gains dominance and controls the others, in subservient roles.

    2. One subspecies chases the competition out of the area.

    3. One subspecies kills the competition, ie. genocide.

    I no longer think in terms of “America”, or even “States”. I think in terms of much smaller areas, with “niche-dominance” by our people being the goal. The competing subspecies must be put into the positions of 1-2-3 above, or we will be put there by the competition.

    “You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.” It’s the law of reality.

  257. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 24, 2012 - 10:48 am | Permalink

    @Donar van Holland: I responded to your well-considered comment an hour ago. Even though the most inflammatory word in the reply is “politician,” it was sent directly to moderation, where it still cools its heels.

    I wish that the moderators would tell us all in plain terms what it is that they routinely moderate. It’s awfully hard to dance when you can’t hear the band playing.

  258. Rudd's Gravatar Rudd
    November 24, 2012 - 10:44 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott
    I agree completely with your posting. The Reps have too many stupid issues to just vote for them because your White.

  259. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 24, 2012 - 10:04 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: No quarrel there, Alice. Just hearing the phrase “auto repair” makes me weak at the knees.

  260. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 24, 2012 - 9:57 am | Permalink


    Fully 98 percent of what I have seen and heard of Asians comports with everything you write, but one sentence,

    White high culture, mostly in music, is revered because it instills a sense of discipline and culture (even though it is an adopted cultural form).

    prompts a question: Do you think that this is as true of the Chinese or the Koreans as of the Japanese? I myself have long discounted the evidence of Chinese and Korean performers of our music (most of them violinists, oddly) as essentially meaningless statistical outliers, given the enormous size of their populations.

    In my own experience of them—extensive but now twenty years out of date—as, shall we say, cultural consumers, only among the Japanese did I find a genuine appreciation for the ways, means, and ends of Western music (“classical” music, of course). Since your experience may well be wider and is far less likely to be past its sell-by date, I’d appreciate learning what it is.

  261. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 24, 2012 - 9:43 am | Permalink

    @Donar van Holland: Of course. Still, with Ron Paul now in retirement, “respect” and “politician” are now permanently dissociated in my lexicon, as they were before I became aware of the kind of man he was 25 years or so ago.

    In the preceding statement I do not mean to be either argumentative or facetious (by all means not about politicians of any stripe or race, in whom I have no hope), but I am still prepared to cut the Republicans you speak of a good deal more slack than you are inclined to. To speak plainly, whilst I do not quarrel in any respect with your major premise—”any honest and intelligent member of the Republicans should come to the conclusion that the party is actually anti-white”—I think the fact must be faced that intelligence, whether among those we love and respect or among all the rest of mankind, is not something that lies thick on the ground. The hope for their conversion, I think, lies more in appeals to their fundamental honesty, which, while certainly impaired by three or four generations’ worth of destructive propagandizing and indoctrination in the joys of iniquity, has not been quite uprooted—certainly not to the extent that it has been among blacks and Asians, for whom honesty seldom provokes even the faux respect of hypocritical acknowledgment.

    I am not by nature a patient man (alas, anything but!), and so this and other counsels of patience are meant as much for me as anyone else. You may well be a more perspicacious observer and analyst of the scene than I am—that is to say, these people may already be lost to us and in hoping otherwise I may be kidding myself—but I am not quite ready to write them off. Soon, perhaps; but not yet.

  262. m's Gravatar m
    November 24, 2012 - 9:41 am | Permalink

    As others have pointed out, the word “Asian” is quite broad, and may not tell us much. Are Asians across the board Democrat, or is it certain Asians, and in certain locations? And what about occupations and voting? We would like more information. In Europe, the near east is called Asia, but we usually don’t consider them in the same category.

    Among so-called Asians there is much chauvinism. One characteristic that seems to hold, is that they do not much care for negroes, and in this respect are more like whites were 100 years ago.

    Chinese in general are not fans of Japanese, and the favor is usually returned. Mainland Chinese are not always happy with Taiwanese, and often are not chummy with Hong Kongers. Philippine Asians are looked down as a “servant” class by Chinese, and Vietnamese are viewed as a step above the Filipinos, but well below ethnic Chinese. White high culture, mostly in music, is revered because it instills a sense of discipline and culture (even though it is an adopted cultural form).

    Chinese are hyper-capitalists, and clannish in business. Jews have nothing on them here. It will be interesting to see if the Jews can co-opt them, as they have whites.

  263. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 24, 2012 - 9:32 am | Permalink

    @Luke: One additional comment, with regards to the Asian issue. With Whites declining as an overall percentage of the population of this country – the issue of Whites (usually men) succumbing to Yellow Fever and intermarrying with Asians becomes a topic that deserves careful attention.

    Once any White man or woman crosses racial lines like this, it has been my experience that in any ethnic conflict that might arise that pits Whites against the ethnic group of their non-white partner – the White man or woman will side with the non-white ethnic group to the detriment of their own racial group’s self interests.

    Since Asian females are curiously eager to grab onto a White man, and since White men are increasingly disgusted with White feminist liberal females who are all too often, greedy, materialistic, egotistical and conceited beyond all normal belief – this combination of trends does not bode well for the production of White babies or for the long term survival of White European people.

    Remember: Once a White hitches a ride on the Miscegenation Express, they are irrevocably compromised and cannot be counted upon to advocate for White interests and should become targets of suspicion with regards to the question of racial loyalty.

  264. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 24, 2012 - 9:32 am | Permalink

    @Donar van Holland: @Pierre de Craon:

    Gentlemen, as someone who is frequently seen in the company of low-brow, gun toting, cross waving republicans may I suggest that ignorance varies according to subject. f Trenchant is correct and the system is headed for a fall I think I prefer to rely on some good old boys who still know how to put food on the table.

  265. bluegrass's Gravatar bluegrass
    November 24, 2012 - 9:24 am | Permalink


    The Philippines wouldn’t be a good lesson for the coming racial free-for-all in the United States.

    I was speaking of mestizo-Asian relations contrary to White-Hispanic Mestizo relations, of which there seems to be little information whether informal or academic.

    Mestizos already live under a large level of White rule and are already very familiar with the fluent racial classification found within the Hispanic caste system.

    It should be mentioned, however, that racially Mexico was a vastly Whiter country 100-200 years ago. Like the Aryans of India, an ineffective segregation system and a lacking culture of racial consciousnesses (Catholicism, mostly) coupled with the disproportionately higher birthrates of the indigenous eventually swamped the European-Spanish nature of that country.

    Asian’s are vastly more racialist than Whites, to the extent where one can judge by their behaivor that they in many ways on the forefront of developing the cultural norms of the American Caste system.

    Asians females particularly: Jews as 1st choice mates, then W.A.S.P. men, then Asian men (Japanese, Korean, and Chinese in that order I imagine).

    I highly doubt a rich, Korean father would want his daughter, if she passed a Korean as a mate, to choose a Hispanic or Black.

  266. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 24, 2012 - 9:18 am | Permalink

    @bluegrass: My intuition tells me that Hispanics are sensing that the GOP is a wounded party and is ripe for being taken over and turned into the ‘brown party’. And, you are correct – Mexicans do not like blacks and with both of these demographic groups lumped into the same party, i.e., the Democrat party – it is a certainty that their inter-tribal conflicts over who gets the biggest bite of Whitey’s paycheck and who gets to hog the most political power are going to result in a fracture of the Democrat party.

    Right now, they’ll hang out and watch to see if Hispanics like Rubio and Gutierrez are able to hijack and take over the GOP – which I think will happen, because they’ve got white race traitorous RINOs eager to help them. Once this takeover of the GOP happens, the Mestizos will stampede out of the Democrat Party and join the new Hispanicized GOP, which will be a party of brown skinned parasites who will be competing with black skinned parasites in the Democrat Party to see who can steal a bigger piece of our White paychecks.

    Also, I think Asians will stay put in the Democrat Party and eventually become replacements for the white liberals, who’ll be systematically discarded by the non-whites who will control the Democrat Party. Once Asians officially link up with the jews – they’ll very quickly grasp that the #1 objective is to destroy Whites, so they’ll jump on to the jewish white genocide bandwagon and help them with this agenda. Remember, folks – Asians of many varieties have been humiliated in defeats during some pretty bloody World Wars and regional conflicts and I suspect that they haven’t forgotten that it was a White European nation of people who administered those defeats. The ultimate revenge for them would be to help complete the genocide of our race. Remember the old adage: “He who laughs last, laughs longest”?

    So, when we hear certain so-called White patriots in the pro-White, White Nationalist community trying to promote the idea that Whites must troll for allies among non-white minority groups – these voices should be ignored. Focus on developing solidarity among our fellow White European people – like it or not, Whites are standing alone in this battle and we can only rely upon ourselves. This is why White race treason has to become something that cannot be tolerated.

  267. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 24, 2012 - 9:15 am | Permalink


    In a campaign there is no long term strategy.

    A useful and salutary reminder. Thank you.

  268. Donar van Holland's Gravatar Donar van Holland
    November 24, 2012 - 9:11 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: I agree that I would physically feel quite comfortable near the likes of Sarah Palin. But that is not the same as respecting her as a professional politician. And would you not agree that any honest and intelligent member of the Republicans should come to the conclusion that the party is actually anti-white? Ergo, either Republicans have their heads in the clouds, or they are dishonest.

  269. Donar van Holland's Gravatar Donar van Holland
    November 24, 2012 - 8:51 am | Permalink

    @Gregor: Thank you for your comment! I have met quite a few Chinese and Japanese, and their respect for white cultural and scientific achievements is sincere, I believe. Just as their loathing for blacks…
    If I understand you correctly, it is the materialistic drive of Chinese that makes them vote Democrat because they get free gifts from the government? I must admit I have seen the same pattern over here in the Netherlands. I did detect a difference between Chinese from mainland China, and those from Taiwan or other Asian countries: The mainland Chinese are far more materialistic and spiritually impoverished. Probably the result of Communism.

    However, if materialism drives the Chinese, don’t they realise that Democrats will also raise taxes to pay for all these “gifts” they are handing out? On the other hand, the tax cuts proposed by the Republicans normally only benefit the Jewish super rich, not the middle class most Chinese are part of.

  270. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 24, 2012 - 8:44 am | Permalink

    @John L. Bell: Unless I have my facts wrong, jews are considered to be and have in the past been referred to as ‘Asiatics’.


  271. Axe of Perun's Gravatar Axe of Perun
    November 24, 2012 - 5:43 am | Permalink

    The principles of biology are well known: TWO SUBSPECIES OF THE SAME SPECIES DO NOT OCCUR IN THE SAME GEOGRAPHICAL AREA. (E.Raymond Hall)
    So it’s simple: either us, or them!
    We are superior to them in almost every way. Those who try to bring us down are clearly beneath us. And I would remind you, that extremism in the defense of our Liberty is no vice.
    Whoever will come to me with a sword, from a sword will perish.

  272. Axe of Perun's Gravatar Axe of Perun
    November 24, 2012 - 5:33 am | Permalink

    @torgrim: Can anybody tell me, when was there a referendum about mass-immigration in any of these countries: USA, Canada, Australia, N.Zealand, Ukraine, Russia, Norway or in any of EU countries?
    The principles of nature are well known:

  273. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    November 24, 2012 - 5:24 am | Permalink

    There are many reasons, why many non-white people dislike the normal white people.
    One: If the whites will disappear, the “relative” position of the other societies goes one step upwards.
    Two: The whites invented 99% of things in the last 500 years. That gives envy/jealousy.
    Three: The US-American livestyle of the 1950ies showed to the world total richness in money and also a good culture. That also gives much envy/jealousy.
    Fourth: Faces and bodies of white people have a characteristic look. See for example normal German children from Naumburg in Germany in the year 2010, at the foto here.
    Compare that with the average look of mexican tribes, african tribes, asian tribes or the look of a little tribe at the coast of the Mediterrean sea.

    This features of the white race are not negative, indeed there are very positive. But their positiveness is the cause of the envy/jealousy/dislike from other people to us. They do not say it openly, but they feel it in in their souls, even if they want to be not aware of this inner feeling, but it is deep inside.


    A side effect: Inside the white race there are many multi-culti-friends. One part of them are often not-good-looking white people who feel that they have a low rank in society and who want to have a work place in the multi-culti-industry,
    a) because they can fulfill the small qualification needed,
    b) because than they feel a little “higher” than “the poor immigrants”, such improving their rank.
    c) they can even have a bigger rank than normal whites, because they feel morally good and say this loudly.


    I do not say anything negative about other races. They can do that what they think that it is positive for them. On the other hand, we whites have our own obligation to preserve our own countries and our own race. It would be foolish to think that other races whould do this for us.

  274. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 24, 2012 - 3:36 am | Permalink

    Mary Thomas

    November 24, 2012 – 12:04 am | Permalink

    All Republicans are NOT neocons. Evangelicals are retarded neocons, but they are not the entire GOP

    End quote

    Just visit any republican site on the net and see for yourself. I think this issue is much harder than many think it will be. Part of the reasonn is the red state are not actually conservatives. They joined the republican party because of the civil rights movement. Many of them were against the Feds only when it comes to Blacks. The GOP found a new replacement for them called Arabs and Muslims. Its hard to change such a culture. Once again look what happened to Ron Paul. He was a true patriot and conservative but many republicans were not interested. In fact Liberals supported him more than republicans. That was his problem. He thought that the republican base is conservative. Many are, but not the red states. True conservatives put America first and want to limit the Fed in all aspect of their lives and not just black issues.

  275. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 24, 2012 - 2:17 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas:
    The biggest killers of them was themselves.
    Mao and his Maoists killed 70? Million.
    China is an UNBELIEVABLE mess. I have traveled in Asia.
    Believe me.

  276. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 24, 2012 - 2:14 am | Permalink

    No surprise, Hawaii is Asian, left democrat.

  277. Tadzio's Gravatar Tadzio
    November 24, 2012 - 1:49 am | Permalink

    “It’s just a guess, but responding to the needs of this emerging Next America might prove a more profitable long-term strategy.” – Ronald Brownstein.

    The man is an idiot who must think he is lecturing fools. In a campaign there is no long term strategy. Period. You are raising and spending money and then getting out the vote for Election Day next. Period.

    Any implicit or explicit White candidate should take up the Democrats’ divide and rule approach. If you cannot get them to vote for you, get them to vote against the other guy. Asians hate and hold in contempt Blacks on a level that far exceeds the attitude of any cartoon of a Mississippi Delta White. Exploit that hatred. Hispanics loathe Blacks. Use that.

    This is done by third partying, that is, by employing Front Groups to run ads on ethnic media venues. Be just as crude as the ads that Multicult Democrats run on Black media. Most of it will fly below the radar screen, but if it gets picked up, deny it, point out Democrat ads, etc.

    When Arlen Specter, that most anti-White of RINOs, started out by running for DA his ads hit a new low in anti-Black racism. But he was an innocent, are not they always innocent, member of the tribe.

    Repeat, in an election campaign there is no long term strategy. It is all about a day early in the upcoming November. Do what you have to do.

  278. November 24, 2012 - 1:03 am | Permalink

    Excellent and interesting description of the situation, especially your comments about the military and security forces.

    So maybe we should be glad if the military is used to quell civil unrest in the U.S., since that unrest would presumably be almost entirely by non-whites, and quelling it would accustom the military to a role in which it operates against the correct enemy (or at least the troops of the correct enemy), just by circumstance?

    Well that’s looking pretty far down the road. Right now, everyone just needs to sign this:

  279. November 24, 2012 - 12:38 am | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas:

    Thank you, Mary! As someone who has zero tolerance for computer frustration, I appreciate your going through whatever the difficulty was.

    And I imagine that DHS has a lot more to concern itself with than who signs a petition. Hopefully the same won’t be true of all the rest of us too, anytime too soon.

    “no way was I going to copy down that 100 character long activation link.”

    On my computer it’s real easy to copy anything however long…I just highlight it and click on “copy.” (If what I just wrote was something really stupid in reply to the specific thing you wrote, please just ignore it!)

    Thanks very much for signing. You’re the only person who I know for a fact seems to have signed in response to my efforts. :)

    Some of us are signing with our real names, but I’m guessing most aren’t. I don’t see any problem with that. That petition website, or page, is just a bit of theatre anyway, but it may be theatre that the O crowd now wishes they hadn’t embarked on.

    C’mon folks, if you haven’t signed, don’t let Mary be the only one here that DHS comes for! She and I and some others will need some company in the Gitmo Petition Barracks! (Oops, I just made several people here too nervous to ever sign it, didn’t I? :)

  280. November 24, 2012 - 12:17 am | Permalink


    ,,,[White] Nationalists want an American centric foreign policy while most Republicans want a zionist one. Is immigration the only way to make them change?…Maybe the target is wrong. Maybe its White liberals who sould be targeted. Making them change their minds about multi-culturalism.

    Interesting thought, that last one. (I made my first visit to Free Republic a few days ago, and it seemed to me a site likely designed just to shill for Israel. Reading the site was like listening to Michael Savage. And pro-Israel / anti-muslim seemed to be the emotional heart of the site. I posted that I hoped the site was actually anti-muslim and anti-Israel, and my post never went up.)

    But as far as who to target, it’s not like we’re actually targeting ANYone, are we? (Is there actual ACTIVISM going on from this site, that I haven’t heard about?)

    When we post in the mainstream from BUGS, our target is any whites who are willing to listen as well as all those whites who aren’t!

    Btw, please sign this petition if you haven’t yet. The target will be all whites who scroll through the White House petitions after we get another 24 signatures.

  281. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 24, 2012 - 12:04 am | Permalink

    All Republicans are NOT neocons. Evangelicals are retarded neocons, but they are not the entire GOP.

  282. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 24, 2012 - 12:02 am | Permalink

    Okay, I signed it. They make it hard. The link to activate the email was not live, and no way was I going to copy down that 100 character long activation link. The password did work, however. Now they have my info on that short list for the DHS.

  283. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    November 24, 2012 - 12:00 am | Permalink


    Asian-Hispanic relations worked well (for the most part) in the Phillipines where their population converted to Christianity. Many work in health care throughout Europe.

  284. November 23, 2012 - 11:59 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    redaction to my redaction (I so wish there were an edit function):

    …hurry up and get out TO WHITES…

  285. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    November 23, 2012 - 11:59 pm | Permalink

    And when Whites do explode what will they do? I was just roaming around the net and I couldn;t help but notice just how strong Republicans are when it comes to Israel and bombing Gaza. They are very commited almost to the point of religious ferver. They bash Muslims with zeal and wish them dead. They hate Palestinians guts. Its hard to change all this and make them abandon the Neocon mindset. They very much are zionist to the core. The views many Nationalist have seems very distant to them. Nationalist want an American centric foreign policy while most Republicans want a zionist one. Is immigration the only way to make them change? I can not see how a culture thats been brewing for so long can change like that. Look what happened to Ron Paul.

    This talk of secession fails to take this into account. The red states are the Neocon states. Look what happened to the tea party, the neocons hijacked it because most tea partiers are neocons. The red states are neocon domain. Maybe the target is wrong. Maybe its White liberals who sould be targeted. Making them change their minds about multi-culturalism.

  286. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 23, 2012 - 11:48 pm | Permalink

    @Shiva, you know Taylor worked as a Japanese translator? Dealing with people who hate you on a regular basis would seem like an odd career choice.

  287. November 23, 2012 - 11:36 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Thanks, very appreciated! We need only 24 more signatures now for the terms “White Genocide” and “anti-white” to become visible on the White House petition site!

  288. November 23, 2012 - 11:29 pm | Permalink

    When is this website going to get an edit function!

  289. November 23, 2012 - 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Asians, of all sorts, HATE Whites are jealous of Whites and are, truly, the YELLOW PERIL.
    Asians Put Foot In Racial Spoils Trough
    April 14, 2008
    By Jared Taylor

  290. November 23, 2012 - 11:28 pm | Permalink


    …hurry up and get out the BUGS message that the white race like all other races needs its homelands in which to maintain our cultural and our biological existence, and that world-wide we whites are being robbed of our homelands by having them flooded with non-whites with whom we are forced by law to integrate so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence.

  291. November 23, 2012 - 11:23 pm | Permalink

    In the time span from one generation to another, a people adjusts to change and hardly realizes it’s done so.

    So it’s going to be very hard to maintain among whites the idea that they EVER had homelands that were their own, that were white. Thirty years from now it will seem perfectly natural to thirty-year olds in the United States that the country they live in is full of blacks and browns and yellows and every people under the sun. Whatever conflicts there are thirty years from now won’t make thirty-year old whites think that the presence of the other races here isn’t natural, because when those whites were growing up, those other races will have seemed just a natural part of the landscape they were growing up in. When I was growing up in the segregated South in the 1940s and 1950s, I was aware that whites felt that Negroes were problematic, but I wasn’t aware of any feeling that Negroes didn’t belong in the South. What would have made any white person alive at that time feel such a thing, since every one of us had grown up in a South in which Negroes were just part of the landscape, a part of life that presented some problems, but a part of life that it never occurred to any of us to believe could somehow be gotten rid of, or that we could escape from somehow!

    So, in view of the bold-faced sentence that I hope I’ve made believable, it becomes all the more important to hurry up and get out the BUGS message that races must have homelands in which to maintain both their cultural and biological existence, and that world-wide we whites are being robbed of our homelands by having them flooded with non-whites with whom we are forced by law to integrate so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence.

    And meanwhile the races used to blend us out of existence in our own homelands are allowed to remain intact in their homelands!

    This is WHITE genocide only!

    Time’s a wastin’! Sign this petition, will you please!

  292. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 23, 2012 - 11:18 pm | Permalink

    @Mary, well put, the “coolness” of being anti-white (in our own countries, not in Japan or China where there is still admiration for the West) is programmed so well and from such an early age that it usually takes a truly shattering experience to overcome, for me it was living in a majority black town, then connecting the dots with Jewish involvement in feminism and the New Left. Even after my own “epiphany” I found myself being reflexively “anti-racist” at times.

  293. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    November 23, 2012 - 11:10 pm | Permalink

    In the end I think what matters will turn out to be who owns the guns. That is America’s White (for the time being) majority. Something unthinkable only a few decades ago but I’m now convinced it will come to this and our skin will be our uniform.

    Why else would DHS and other agencies buy hundreds of millions rounds of hollow point ammunition? The answer is that they can see the signs. The last time an entire White European population rose up against a Jewish ZOG, was in Hungary in 1956.

    The British author, David Irving, wrote a Book about it called, ‘Uprising’ in which he tells how ordinary Hungarians resentment went from an attitude of grudging acceptance to one of, ‘let’s get the bastards’ and they began surrounding government offices including that of the secret police and shooting officials in the head whenever the opportunity arose.

    In not too long a time even the Hungarian military joined with the masses and handed out weapons and trained them. One hopes the US military will do the same. Irving’s book is a study in how a mass revolt develops when a population finally wakes up and understands doing nothing is no longer an option.

    It is available here:

    I’d bet our Zionist friends have read this excellent book more than once. Give yourself a Christmas present!

  294. Argog's Gravatar Argog
    November 23, 2012 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    I had a lot of asian friends growing up and I learned Real Fast that though they were my ‘friends’ they were in no way shape or form ‘my friends.’

    I only feel pity for the whites who think that have only experienced superficial friendships with Asians or any non-whites for that matter.

    Asians copy white culture to raise themselves up….the goal being to Be Better than Whites…emulation as a form of ‘getting to know the enemy so that we can defeat the enemy’….It’s not out of love as many of the commentators seem to think. If whites were to disappear off the planet do you think Asians would shed a tear? No! They don’t care!

  295. Argog's Gravatar Argog
    November 23, 2012 - 10:55 pm | Permalink

    What is wrong with you people?

    Asians care about ASIANS FIRST. Stop defending them. They aren’t you friends. Get over it. Your asian wives…they just assimilated you into their culture and not vice versa. They stole your genes to raise up Asians not Whites.

    Absolute Idiots. Whites are alone in this battle and Asians don’t care. They may not be outright enemies like Jews….but they are NOT friends.

  296. Bear's Gravatar Bear
    November 23, 2012 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

    The truly astounding fear and loathing Jewish interests have cultivated against Whites among Asians is no doubt a major factor in this result.

    The tendency for an anti white coalitions to form were in any case latent among any minority. Deep in their heart everyone knows this was “common sense”; Jews, Whites, Democrats, Republicans and Asians. For various motivations, fears and reasons these thoughts were misrepresented and suppressed.

    Here we are now.

  297. torgrim's Gravatar torgrim
    November 23, 2012 - 10:36 pm | Permalink

    @Sandman: I can only guess as to why the average person is not angry or at least even questioning how this has come about. Maybe it comes down to waiting for the herd leader to say it is ok to object? What with the constant brain beating coming from the Organs of dis-info, some folk have just turned off any input at all,…I don’t know.

    I wonder too, if there was something of this magnitude in the past where a whole people and culture is dispossessed without precluding or ensuing violence? Maybe an answer to my question is the manner in which this low stage warfare has been processed, that is, the aggression is done by covert means, ie., “wage war by deception”, mode.

  298. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 23, 2012 - 10:13 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: Your persistence does you credit, especially since it’s combined with healthy doses of imagination and good humor.

  299. November 23, 2012 - 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Wow. Things are getting so bad for whites that we may soon see some heroic, inspiring actions by pro-whites.

    Like signing this White House petition.

  300. mark's Gravatar mark
    November 23, 2012 - 9:26 pm | Permalink

    @mordechai gonzales:

    mordechai Gonzales wrote:
    November 23, 2012 – 5:31 pm

    “Here is my proposal for the new anthem of the
Disunited States of Multicultural America (DSMA)…
sung to the tune of “yellow submarine”…

    And here’s a quote from Joe Whyteman!!

    A take -off on German Pastor Martin Niemöller’s quote

    “In America they first came for the negroes and I grinned because I knew what a burden negroes were on White society, how stupid they were and that they committed many thousands of rapes of White women every year. I didn’t say anything because I was glad to see them being rounded up and deposed of.”

    “Then they came for the spics and other assorted shits, and I smiled because I knew that they committed many crimes against White people, stole many hundreds of millions of dollars in financial benefits that could have been used to further White interests. Again I didn’t say anything because I knew that they were useless.”

    “Then they came for the Jews, and I laughed out loud because I knew that they orchestrated the whole situation against Whites in America with their support over the course of decades for non-white immigration, racial integration, anti-white content in television programming and in the motion picture industry, in literature, high school and college curricula, and in many other things. I didn’t say anything because I was happy to see them boarding the railcars.”

    “Then they came for ME — and they told me I was now free of all fear, exploitation, multiculturalism, Affirmative Action, anti-White laws, Jewish troublemaking and other abuse, and instructed me to live my life and prosper to the best of my abilities.”

    — Joe Whyteman

  301. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    November 23, 2012 - 8:57 pm | Permalink

    @torgrim: Yes, and they will go on to see Whites as the alien presence in Europe or wherever. You’re right, all these groups know the battle plan of the Barbara Spectre’s out there. They know what’s going on but Whites don’t. The reason I mentioned this is because it struck me by the way this man said it in such a perfect textbook way. I must be naive because with so many Asians and muslims in the world, I don’t understand why any White feels that they need to come into Europe. Skilled,unskilled,whatever. I understand why the Judeo-Marxists want it but don’t understand why it goes down so easily with the average person.

  302. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 23, 2012 - 8:43 pm | Permalink

    I was shocked to see how the asians voted. But then I thought of my asian friend. He’s a pseudo liberal. Truth is, he doesn’t have a liberal bone in his body, but his kids are in college getting the lib brainwashing, and he wants to appear relevant. He’s a total race realist, has studied IQ, talks about The Bell Curve, and has realistic fears regarding blacks and browns. Yet, I’m sure he voted for Obama. I’m thinking now…maybe deep down…the asians are every bit as anti-white as the rest of the non-whites. Face it, we kicked a lot of asian butt in the 20th century. I’m not sayin’ they didn’t deserve it, but they surely resent it. Why else would they vote for the teleprompter retard?
    Asians voted for the black guy because they want to be COOL, and it’s cool to be anti-white.

  303. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 23, 2012 - 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the article.

    From my experience, Asians are quiet, respectful, and motivated. At least that’s how they appear.

    @Ward Kendall

    I like the fact that you use your real name. And on top of that you include a photo of yourself.

    “Right now the best we’ve got are a few essentially impotent websites, like Stormfront.”

    (My comment below is for you, Ward, and anyone else who wants to read it.)

    I understand the heart of what you’re saying, but I think you are understating the pro-White presence and power. I agree that our message isn’t reaching the average person in obvious, direct ways, but I suspect many good things are happening on some levels that aren’t easily seen or measured. Also, the modern version of the internet is relatively young. I consider the modern version to be the Facebook / YouTube era, which is only about five years old.

    There are some normal people on YouTube who get half a million views per video. Every video they make gets hundreds of thousands of views. Sometimes their view-count reaches the low millions. Wouldn’t it be great if they had a pro-White message?

    I think it’s very possible.

    David Duke gets several thousand views, which is great. But I can imagine a pro-White figure (with good video-editing skills) who gets hundreds of thousands of views per video.

    That’s something I’ve noticed about the YouTube personalities who get hundreds of thousands of views per video — the video editing: they all have slick, polished videos that cater to the Attention Deficit Disorder generation. They are usually fast-paced and sliced up and edited in a way so there is rarely a moment of silence or inaction. They are usually colorful and entertaining and feature a person with an energetic personality.

    I’m not saying that’s a good thing. But the videos that draw a huge crowd often have that style.

    I can imagine a passionate, creative, intelligent pro-White person who gets hundreds of thousands (and maybe millions, eventually) views per video. Maybe one or two five-minute videos per week. Short, simple, entertaining messages.

    Anyway, I thought I’d write this comment in case it helps.

  304. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 23, 2012 - 8:18 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor: OK, I’m going to ramble a bit. If you don’t like Gregor’s rambles, just skip this. I’m going to say what I THINK might be done, if cued off of the last sentence in my comment above.

    We know that our Enemy has detected aspects of “Whiteness” that can be exploited. Dr. MacDonald has pointed out many of those. One is our tendency toward “Altruistic Punishment”, which means we will tear our OWN PEOPLE to shreds over some transgression of an abstract set of rules we’re all supposed to “believe in”. (See: lots of religious wars.) For whatever reason(s), we tend to “see” ourselves in terms of whether we obey abstract rule-sets. This is a VERY European, and a VERY non-tribal “way of being”. How we “got that way” is of great interest to me, but not important for this ramble.

    Now, if an enemy detects that we will tear each other up over transgression of some abstract rule set, they can USE that … to get us to tear each other up. They see a trait, they spot that it can be used, they use it … you know the rest of the story.

    If we want to “de-structure” an alliance, a network if you will, that’s an artificial structure, we need to determine the same kind of weak “nodes” and “connectors” in both the Enemy, and their coalitions.

    What do we look for? We look for things INSIDE their culture(s), and “way of being”, which are somewhat like “guilt”. We look for what they punish each other for doing. We look for the “disciplining bonds” that keep their own members in line with group interests. In the case of a popular Enemy on this blog, one such thing is called “Law of Mesirah”. That is an internal discipline tool that keeps tribe members in line with tribal interests.

    While we may not, yet, be able to sever this one, we can still look to OTHER members of the anti-White coalition, and try to detect aspects of their culture which they take seriously, and which can then be used as levers for prying them out of the anti-White coalition.

    First we need to KNOW how each of these groups works, internally. What makes them feel bad? What makes them turn on each other? What will make them suspicious of OTHER members of the coalition? How can such suspicion be “seeded” and “amplified”. How can we find their internal equivalent of “guilt”, and “altruistic punishment”, and then use these to de-structure their power in OUR places of dwelling, OUR countries/states/counties/towns. ???

    This, imho, is a significant part of our project. I think about it daily, in terms of the only group I have any understanding of, the Chinese. I’ve actually “guilt tripped” a few of them, asking what would happen if 30 million Mexicans were imported into (name of their home province) and encouraged to “assimilate” with them. You should see the horror on their faces!

  305. torgrim's Gravatar torgrim
    November 23, 2012 - 8:06 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Well said and this has been my experience too!

  306. torgrim's Gravatar torgrim
    November 23, 2012 - 8:02 pm | Permalink

    @Sandman: “We want official status because Europe has expressed a desire to be multicultural and it’s also vital that we preserve our Vietnamese culture as well.” This sounds like it came from the mouth of Barbara Spectre, in that “Europe wants to be multicultural”….here is a prime example of introducing memes through propaganda and now it’s part of some foreign or alien’s mantra….Let’s face it, all of this third world immigration in Europe and N.America, is really about resources, in-place structure like vast irrigation projects, transportation networks etc. all in place for the taking, by those that did nothing to pay or sweat, to create. That is what a lot of this non-White democratic voting is really about, someone wants something for little effort. Oh, and yes, blame the founding population that put this all in place, why, because that is what works to self delude, when someone harms another and at some level knows that they are the aggressor.

  307. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 23, 2012 - 7:53 pm | Permalink

    @Dirk: I see it that way too, although I wouldn’t rule out “re-constructing” or “re-structuring” White Euro-Am identity as a part of the “final solution” we are seeking.

    I would also suggest changing your words just a tad. Not trying to be a grammar-fiend, but being careful with words that mean different things to different people.

    “The minority coalition is a construct and can be deconstructed.”

    I would reword that to read “… is a synthetic structure, and can be de-structured”.

    Usually “deconstructed”, when spoken by Mommy Professor, means Po-Mo speak, and lots of wordiness that confuses. Yeah, that may be useful too, but I’m talking about “De-Structuring” in the sense of finding out the nature of the “ties” that enable the structure to maintain its solidity, its anti-White solidity.

    Knowing how each and every “minority” group “sees themselves”, via their own culture, and knowing how that has been USED by our enemy to create a synthetic structure tuned to the key of anti-White … well, this knowledge will be useful in de-structuring, ie destroying, the “network” that always ends up attacking White interests.

    I don’t KNOW just how to put all this together, but I do know that we have to get inside their minds first, and then use what we find.

  308. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    November 23, 2012 - 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Do Asians know they are being used by the real enemy?

  309. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 23, 2012 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

    @Donar van Holland: I believe you are unnecessarily overstating your case to the detriment of a great many crude but basically decent people. I can’t think of many lowbrow white Republican venues where, however uncomfortable or out of place I might be, I’d feel that my wallet or my physical safety was in jeopardy. On the other hand I can’t think of any lowbrow black or Hispanic or immigrant Democrat venue where I’d feel that my very life wasn’t in jeopardy.

  310. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 23, 2012 - 7:30 pm | Permalink

    @Donar van Holland: I have never met, seen or spoken with an “Asian”, but I have much experience with people who are Chinese, both here and in China.

    I would agree with you regarding any native “hatred” of Whites. I know from my experience with Japanese people in Japan that they have a lot of respect for European culture, if mimicry can be considered evidence of their adoration.

    I don’t know why they vote Democrat, “they” being the Chinese in America. I do know that the political matrix of Chinese culture is based on the extended family, and that “what’s good” is always all about what’s good for that extended family with all of its relationships and connections.

    My guess is that “they” see democrats as providing “goods” that translate to “good for my family and its future”.

    I have much experience watching how newly-arrived Chinese deal with all the “free goodies” available here, goodies like welfare, food stamps, etc. Even if they are old people who were sponsored by their children who schooled here and got jobs as highly-paid engineers, they STILL take all the “goodies” they can get. Why is this?

    In Chinese culture, the concept of responsibility for “the commons” is practically non-existent. It’s not that they are being “bad”, it’s just not part of their “environment”, culturally. I believe this comes from a long history of realizing that if THEY didn’t take the “freebie”, someone else would, and then they’d get nothing. But it’s quite clear that there is no “moral sense of group obligation” that extends beyond a family-friend-associate network. And certainly this doesn’t extend to “foreigners”.

    I speak Chinese, and have had many entertaining encounters with Chinese on the West Coast who talk about ME using the word “foreigner”, the Chinese term, of course. Their consciousness of identity is literally EMBEDDED in their language … much as ours isn’t, at least in the same way.

    So when I note that, in this state, THEY are the foreigner, not me (I’m speaking of those not born here), they don’t quite “get it”. It really doesn’t matter where a truly Chinese person is LOCATED … if you are not Chinese, YOU are the foreigner. This never fails to amuse me.

  311. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 23, 2012 - 7:19 pm | Permalink

    @Donar, the Asians I have met seemed friendly enough as well, especially compared to blacks, but, as a whole, they are looking after themselves first and foremost (understandably). Therefore they will mostly back the anti-white alliance except for some of the more devout Christians. These “analysts” are daft if they think it’s possible for repubs to break decades of “community organizing” with appeals to economic benefits.

  312. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    November 23, 2012 - 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Random story I heard thursday on an Asian News program: The 90,000 Vietnamese living in Czech Republic are demanding official recognition as a national minority group. A spokesperson for the group said, “We want official status because Europe has expressed a desire to be multicultural and it’s also vital that we preserve our Vietnamese culture as well.” Preserve their precious culture….inside a White country.
    That speaks for itself. No race wants to assimilate into a White country. They just want to enter and then expand their influence as far as possible while consuming resources meant for White people.

  313. Dirk's Gravatar Dirk
    November 23, 2012 - 7:02 pm | Permalink

    The minority coalition is a construct and can be deconstructed. That is more useful than betting on a White coalition which will never materialize under the present circumstances.

  314. Donar van Holland's Gravatar Donar van Holland
    November 23, 2012 - 6:58 pm | Permalink

    I do not think that Asians, especially Japanese, Chinese and Koreans foster a hate of whites. I believe they even appreciate white culture very much. Western countries may have dominated their home countries for some time, but that is long ago already.

    So why do they vote for the Democrats? Not so much because of the anti-white agenda, but because the Democrats seem to be more educated, more urbane and simply higher class.

    The Republican party, with a few honourable exceptions like Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan, really seem to be in their eyes a bunch of ignorant, gun- and cross waiving peasants. And let us be honest, compared to the Real Right, they are.

  315. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 23, 2012 - 6:49 pm | Permalink

    A bunch of us are having a lot of fun poking the eyes out of anti-Whites today, over here …!

    Join the party!

  316. November 23, 2012 - 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Article states: “The dilemma for the Republicans is how to get a 2016 presidential candidate who is on board with the program of the displacement of White America. The Republican elites have repeatedly shown they will do anything to cling to power a bit longer.”

    In my view, one is no longer “clinging to power” the instant one’s political ideals and principles have been compromised, even if one does manage to get elected to the White House. Likewise, could a Christian be said to be “clinging to power” if – through subterfuge and deceit – he manipulates himself into the chairmanship of an atheist organization? I would say not.

    As it stands now, I believe the Republican party is no longer capable of “clinging to power” (or grabbing power to cling to) even if they manage to propel a stealth candidate into the White House. They’ll only succeed in that feat by stripping themselves of the last vestiges of what they once stood for, and becoming de facto Democrats: “inclusive” of all races, pro-amnesty, pro-immigration, pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-government give-aways, ad nauseam. For many leaders in the Republican party, they’re half-way there already.

    I think WN’s are wasting their time ever supporting a Republican candidate again, except, perhaps, at the local level.

    Now, one can always cast a so-called “protest vote” by voting for the A3P, or some other third party. However, I don’t see much hope there, if any.

    Article states: “It’s when Whites realize that they can’t win any more that the tensions will explode.”

    I wouldn’t bet money on it. Whites have pretty much been stripped of their country already, and no mass movement of whites has even lit a loud firecracker in protest, much less “exploded”. The moment any group of them tries to actually revolt, it’ll be another Waco, Texas.

    In short, the WN movement remains only an Internet phenomenon (for the most part) without any national organization that whites can look to for guidance and leadership. Right now the best we’ve got are a few essentially impotent websites, like Stormfront.

    More is needed – much more.

    The Towers of Eden
    Hold Back This Day

  317. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 23, 2012 - 6:47 pm | Permalink

    @Spectator: Yeah, thanks. I just knew there was something wrong with that word! Thanks.

  318. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    November 23, 2012 - 6:32 pm | Permalink

    We have to hack away at Lincoln in order to get back to Jeff. Simple as that. There is a massive reaction just waiting to happen if we can round that corner because there are many whites on the left who will look our way when they can see the ecological/agrarian/local and pacific concerns of the core constituency.

    The Neocons and war mongering Jews are going to do themselves in as long as they try to race the Democrats with Abe’s top hat on.

    Of course, if war breaks out, who knows what will happen. Maybe the whole thing will just pop. But I happen to be an optimist and I see things coming in our direction.

    We’ve just got to figure out how to convince our brothers on the Left to stop advocating for the Other, thus committing suicide. In this vein, it is useful to hold up the “Information to the People” card.

    It’s the Lincoln juggernaut. Behind it, is either war or a peaceful return to authentic American roots.

  319. Spectator's Gravatar Spectator
    November 23, 2012 - 5:58 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor: Are you trying to say “Gordian Knot”?

  320. Hooper's Gravatar Hooper
    November 23, 2012 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

    @mark: It most definitely does not lie in the voting booth. Whites will start hurting and will get angry, the question is, will they see the true nature of the problem? One thing is for sure, they are taking frustratingly long to wake up. Even the Swedes, who are probably beyond the tipping point and suffering from all sorts of previously unthinkable malaises still go about their merry way for the most part. You just wonder, how much is enough?

  321. Hooper's Gravatar Hooper
    November 23, 2012 - 5:38 pm | Permalink

    What’s going on is that a single ruling class is coalescing around a certain ideology which is implicitly (and sometimes explicitly) counter to the interests of the majority of the nation’s core group. By offering no alternatives in the political sphere, the political class ensures the stability of the structure it is creating for itself. Individuals come go but the same type of person stays in power—and serving the same interests, i.e. it stays in the family. The vast swaths of minorities can be bought off easily—as the Democrats figured out long ago and the Republicans are now catching on—and whites are too divided, too wealthy and too out of touch with reality to present a unified front. There are too many whites who have made too darn much money in the last half-century since their displacement began. It’s hard to tell a person who has made loads of money that the past few decades have been bad for him. (But this is slowly beginning to turn the other way.)

    But anyway, there are, however, two wild cards in the system, albeit elements which are rarely talked about in the context of U.S. politics: the security forces and the military. Since the U.S. has long ceased being a nation under the rule of law and governed according to the Constitution, factors which throughout history are normally critical to any discussion of power will begin to return to the fore. Can the ruling class maintain the loyalty of the military? That’s a more important question than it might seem. The middle and upper-middle brass of the military is still largely white and hasn’t completely lost its sense of duty and honor (though this has been degraded in recent years). The security forces (everything from local cops to FBI agents) may also be a check on the system. A true oligarchy requires complicity from a lot of different layers of society. It’s ultimately not enough to buy elections and pander to Jewish money. The ruling class needs to maintain strong control a number of different levers of real power.

  322. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 23, 2012 - 5:35 pm | Permalink

    White vs. non-White is the most natural division of the human species. Asians, Africans, Jews, and Arabs are much more like one another than they are like us.

  323. mordechai gonzales's Gravatar mordechai gonzales
    November 23, 2012 - 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Here is my proposal for the new anthem of the
    Disunited States of Multicultural America (DSMA)…
    sung to the tune of “yellow submarine”…

    We now live in a multi culti hell
    a multi culti hell
    a multi culti hell
    (repeat 3 times)
    In the town where I was born
    we were all the same whitefolk
    then of course the jews came in
    they cried out for more diversity

    We nowlive in a multi culti hell
    a multi culti hell
    a multi culti hell
    amulti culti hell
    (repeat 3 times)

    now the blacks and mexicans
    they took over every block thats not chinese
    and the hindus came and took the corner marts
    the koreans run so many spas theyre everywhere

    We now live in a multi culti hell
    a multi culti hell
    a multi culti hell

    Our white friends they’ve been displaced
    beaten robbed and killed and raped
    no one cares or gives a damn
    cause the jews said we are all bad

    We now live in a multi culti hell
    a multi culti hell
    a multi culti hell
    a multi culti hell…

    Please feel free to add or modify, and Ram-Z-Paul if you are reading this, please put into one of your excellent videos.

  324. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    November 23, 2012 - 5:21 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Arpio:

    I had just the opposite experience with
    Asians/Orientals at one of the best of the old tech schools in the country. The best way I can describe it, was we were obstacles to them. I wasn’t impressed at all. Yes, Jews are Asians. LOL.

  325. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    November 23, 2012 - 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Gordian Knot

  326. Joe Arpio's Gravatar Joe Arpio
    November 23, 2012 - 5:03 pm | Permalink

    I have not perceived East Asians or South Asians as anti-white.

    I should know because I went to an engineering school not too long ago where more of my classmates and teachers were from China, Korea, and India, than America.

    And the way I have known Asians is that they fawn, they are apolitical, atheist (although a huge number of Koreans of devout Christians), and conscious of their place in society.

    They simply follow the left because the left controls the universities, and the universities are one of the few things Asians want from us.

    That’s pretty much it.

    I knew a young man who’s parents came from China, enrolled him in a high school next to a university, and raised him for the sole purpose of becoming educated.

    Many of them are still conscious of their roots however.

    But I don’t think that there is a consciousness among them that they are taking anything from whites.

    They feel like we are welcoming them.

    My Chinese friend actually went out of his way several times to tell me that he revered white people in particular.

  327. John L. Bell's Gravatar John L. Bell
    November 23, 2012 - 4:42 pm | Permalink

    That’s all true. And, many People have different reasons for not voting for Romney, including White People. But, when discussing the Racial aspects of the U.S. You have to notice that there is a ganging up on White People phenomenon going on amongst People who otherwize have little in common. It’s a feeling I get with Asians that They like the Obama phenomenon, because “Whites have been in control for too long”, etc. “We are the historical oppressors”, et. al.
    I see this where I live.

  328. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 23, 2012 - 4:41 pm | Permalink

    …a bit over 60% of Whites voted Republican.

    Does anyone know what they figure would be if Jews and Arabs were removed from that category of ‘White’? I’m assuming it gets close to 2/3.

    It’s when Whites realize that they can’t win any more that the tensions will explode. Their country has been taken away from them. Who can blame them?

    I’m reminded of Latin America, in which power went back and forth between Marxists brown people and ‘fascist’ White people in alliance with the military. Except, our situation, given our “diversity”, will be even more complicated.

  329. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    November 23, 2012 - 4:36 pm | Permalink


    Roughly 12% to 14% of the Mexican population are zambos, but, they are so inter-mixed with the larger population of mestizos as to make them not very noticeable.

    There is a population of Chinese-mestizo admixture that I don’t think has ever been studied to any extent?

  330. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    November 23, 2012 - 4:33 pm | Permalink

    I’d rather watch midget wrestling than the 2016 Presidential debates. But when they do come, expect Asians to root for and support the anti-White coalition. That’s just the way it will go down. Some Whites think if the restraunt lady says, ” ha-ha, long time, no see you!,” they’ve crossed the racial barrier. But that will never happen with Asians. And yes, the Repubs will become any phony incarnation necessary to hold on a bit longer, but it won’t fly with Whites. They’ll probably try for White youth but I don’t think any combo-plate will work for them now. The Rebubs are fried rice now, and sooner or later reality will hit Whites in just the right spot.

  331. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 23, 2012 - 4:25 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: I see the same languages you see, but wonder about something ….

    Why don’t we see Hebrew on that sign? After all, some people call themselves “Hebrew Americans”, don’t they? :)

  332. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 23, 2012 - 4:20 pm | Permalink

    I’m going to step out on a rhetorical limb and state: “There is no such thing as ‘Asians'”.

    Why do I say that? For the same reason anti-Whites say there is no such thing as “Whites”.

    Both my statement and that of anti-Whites are “correct”. Why is that the case, and why should “we” think about this?

    The key is somewhere in MacDonald’s book “Culture of Critique”, where he states that our enemy(ies) ” … influence the categorization process”.

    Both “Whites” and “Asians” are categories: you can point at a Chinese, Japanese, Filipino, Subcon-Indian, etc etc, but you can’t point at an “Asian” without abstracting into a concept, a category.

    Same thing goes for “Whites”. This is nothing new. But our LINGUISTIC HABIT of accepting these categorizations as “reality” has a huge effect on us.

    So why is it that “Whites” don’t exist, but “Asians” DO exist in discourse, especially enemy discourse?

    The categories have been influenced in a manner which creates a “united front” out of a very dis-united group of people. Words DO that. “Asians” exists because it makes a big “thing” out of a very diverse grouping of peoples, many of whom can’t stand each other, here in the USA or in their home nations in Asia.

    It’s quite obvious that this creation, via influencing the categorization process and promoting it in discourses, is very USEFUL to somebody.

    It doesn’t matter WHO that somebody is, but it matters much that the only way this could be seen as USEFUL is as a weapon, a “category block” that creates an image, which is USEFUL as a tool to de-structure the social-thingness of an enemy.

    Who is the enemy? Whites. Diverse European American Peoples.

    Part of the task of slicing through Gorgon’s Knot will be to use the same technique, the technique of category shift, in our own discourse.

    We DE-STRUCTURE the imposed category of “Asian” by talking about the contents of the Black Box which is the word “Asian”. “When you say ‘asian’ are you talking about Chinese, Filipinos, or Japanese? You talk about them as if they’re all the same! Are you anti-Chinese by lumping them all together, as if they had the same interests?”

    Now, this presents a problem! Anti-Whites do the same thing to us, but there is a way out of this quandry….

    Which is your puzzle for this post-Thanksgiving day!

  333. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    November 23, 2012 - 4:13 pm | Permalink

    As for the languages on the voting sign :
    Chinese – Hindi – Japanese
    ? – Korean – Spanish
    Tagalog? – Thai? – Vietnamese

    Ah, the joys of the propositional “nation” !

  334. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 23, 2012 - 3:57 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: … which is also called Tagalog. One of the many languages spoken by the many different cultures in the group of islands called “the Phillipines”. I doubt that many of these peoples call themselves “Phillipinos” in their own language(s).

    How language, consciousness and identity intersect is not only fascinating, but ONE of the keys Whites need to have an understanding of to untie Gorgon’s Knot.

  335. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    November 23, 2012 - 3:55 pm | Permalink

    The “advice” for the Republicans boils down to becoming more like the Democrats, IOW in order to “save” themselves the Republicans should destroy themselves. That even some in the leadership of the party advocate this absurdity doesn’t speak highly of their intelligence. Or are we perhaps seeing agents of the White Genocide Project at work within the party?

  336. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 23, 2012 - 3:28 pm | Permalink

    @Bluegrass, it can’t be far off in the future, lack of a common enemy almost always dissolves alliances of convenience, and in places like California and NYC that will happen very soon.

  337. bluegrass's Gravatar bluegrass
    November 23, 2012 - 3:00 pm | Permalink

    One need only to look at the ethnic relations in places like the Cambodia to understand why an Asian elite is hardly more preferable than a Jewish elite.

    What bothers me is trying to determine the expiration date on this anti-White coalition: when will they be at each others throats instead of tearing at the historic White majority?

    Next year? Next decade? The next half-century when any chance to fight for White existence has all but dissipated?

    Anti-White America needs to transform into Yugoslavia-America asap so we can finally stake our place in coming racial free-for-all and pursue our explicit ethnic interests.

    Asians see blacks practically as ANIMALS, and with anecdotal evidence I’m confirmed in this observation everyday by the comments and actions of my Korean coworkers.

    Mexicans carry with them the Hispanic Caste system which places African ancestry at the bottom.

    I have no idea what Asian-Hispanic relations are like in a place like California but I have zero doubt its far from any multicultural lovefest.

  338. November 23, 2012 - 3:00 pm | Permalink


    Pardon my ignorance, but what language is used in the bottom left of that voting display, I’m guessing maybe African origin?

    It’s Filipino.

  339. John L. Bell's Gravatar John L. Bell
    November 23, 2012 - 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Asians are quite keen on seeing Whites diminished and displaced, and are full on Members of any anti-White coalition. They display great Obama loyalty. I’ve also noticed that most All of Them identify with the African American narrative, even if they are, for example, Japanese heritage. As well, Plenty have taken to using Afro terms like “White trash”, “cracker”, “inbred”, “hick”, and of course “WASP”, etc. to describe regular White People. And, yes they do remind Me of many Jews. There is a real fondness between Jews and East Asians.

  340. November 23, 2012 - 2:54 pm | Permalink

    I think the problem is that the ONLY reason to vote for the Republican candidate is that he was White, and showed some indication of a more negative view of illegal immigration. (Could you trust Romney on that?)

    On the negative side there is the probability of (even) more Middle-East war and economic policies that are completely inappropriate to the present situation. George W. Bush was possibly the worst president ever.

    I don’t see the mongoloids’ preference for Obama as anti-White, only as oblivious to whether he is White or not. The Republicans have too many stupid positions for Whiteness to carry them through even with many White people.

  341. mark's Gravatar mark
    November 23, 2012 - 2:30 pm | Permalink

    And if, despite all the efforts of Republican elites, a White populist Republican candidate emerges but loses to the non-White coalition, they will finally realize that drastic measures must be taken if they are to restore their country.”

    “It’s when Whites realize that they can’t win any more that the tensions will explode. Their country has been taken away from them. Who can blame them?”

    Yes, the bulk of the White population will at some point “finally realize that drastic measures must be taken if they are to restore their country.” And, yes, “tensions will explode”. But will they realize that the solution lies not in the voting booth, but elsewhere?

  342. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 23, 2012 - 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Pardon my ignorance, but what language is used in the bottom left of that voting display, I’m guessing maybe African origin? Anyway, I’ve probably met more Asian Christians than white ones lately, particularly Vietnamese. A Vietnamese Republican beat the notorious (and currently incarcerated) black congressman William Jefferson in my home state of Louisiana. He promptly asked to take up Mr. Jefferson’s spot in the black congressional caucus. Our Indian Republican governor, Mr. Jindal is also an extremely devout Christian (he has caused controversy by vaguely supporting the teaching of “intelligent design” in public schools) his policies have been better for the dwindling white majority than his white Dem predecessor, but it certainly isn’t out by design and at this point it’s pretty much re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

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