Implicitly White themes in “The Hobbit”

Kevin MacDonald


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The Hobbit is a bit long, and some of the scenes could have been edited down. But I am not really complaining. It held my interest. The only thing is that it has a sort of “one thing after another for no good reason” feel—the result of a lot of padding needed to make a trilogy of movies out of a short novel. But when you look at the garbage put out by Hollywood, The Hobbit is certainly most welcome.

There are a lot of good things here. You have to marvel at the 3-D magic and computer graphics, especially in the fighting and chase scenes. Of course, I am relatively unjaded when it comes to computer graphics in movies because I am rarely inspired to enter the enemy-controlled territory of the local cinema.

There are some really beautiful scenes set in the forests, fields, and mountains of New Zealand. The scene with Gollum and Bilbo Baggins, set in an underground lake, is hauntingly beautiful—with rocky crags and still, dark waters, illuminated as if by the moon.


And I always resonate to the shire, even though we get to experience it only at the beginning. The rounded doorways, arches and windows, with houses partly underground and grass growing on the roof. Nothing ostentatious. The interior woodwork is stunning, beautifully carved and fitting precisely—the work of master carpenters using very fine wood. Indeed, excellent workmanship is apparent everywhere—in the ways that foods are wrapped, the beautifully formed cheeses, the jars of preserves, the loaves of bread. These are people who know how to make a comfortable, happy life for themselves without working too hard, and being satisfied with what they have.


Interior of a hobbit house

The Hobbits are an image of softness, of childlike innocence and just plain niceness—the actors obviously chosen to appear as child-like adults, forever young, their features rounded. Like teenage boys, they have no facial hair. Even in his old age, Bilbo looks like an aged teenager. It is because of this niceness, of course, that the Hobbits may be trusted with the ring, whereas the others would easily corrupted.

Beginning with the Lord of the Rings trilogy, the shire has always struck me as a depiction of primitive Europeans, an egalitarian hunter-gatherer society, turned agricultural and settled down (see here, Discussion section, p. 13ff). A depiction of life before the aristocratic comitatus, with its predatory warrior bands, before kings and princes.

The egalitarianism is apparent. No one is really above anyone else; leadership is consensual, never despotic. And there is camaraderie, apparent in the friendly farewells given as Bilbo leaves on his great adventure. The Hobbits genuinely like each other and care for each other. And, as Bilbo says, he belongs there. He belongs with his books, reading and writing, having just enough to live comfortably. Not needing or wanting more, but understandably upset when the dwarfs devour his well-stocked larder.

Some of the hippies I knew back on the ’60s were like that. I think that some consciously aspired to being Hobbits, as Tolkien was very much in vogue. Attracted to a simple life of camaraderie, close to nature, without ambition or arrogance. They tried and some succeeded in making a living by honing a craft like woodworking, pottery, jewelry making or music. Last time I went to Berkeley you could still see them on Telegraph Ave. near the University of California campus. Like the Hobbits, in the real world they can only thrive in a sheltered environment where evil is held at bay by less innocent creatures. One might even go so far as to say that a big problem many Whites have is that we have too much of the hobbit in us. We desire an innocent, empathic, socially bonded, egalitarian world living among like-minded people, but we don’t realize that means that we have to be tough enough to make such a world—a tall order when we are dominated by people intent on importing as many anti-hobbits as possible.

At the emotional heart of the movie is the theme of dispossession. The dwarfs are out to reclaim their land—a theme that may subconsciously resonate with White audiences seeing their country and culture in the process of being taken from them.

Unlike the Hobbits, the dwarfs are fallen creatures. A dragon stole their land because they had hoarded gold—a tempting target for any dragon. But we don’t see the dragon (we get a glimpse at the very end). And in any case, a completely non-human monster as the villain is not as compelling as evil humans or human-like creatures. Here was see hordes of disgustingly ugly, violent orcs and three very large trolls. These creatures are the opposite of the hobbits—physically repulsive, brutal to every other creature, including each other. No empathy for anything. Just primitive uncontrolled animal cravings. One can only imagine what their sexual behavior would be like if Tolkien had written females into their character. The place where the orcs live (one doesn’t know what to call it) is jerry-built, completely without any sense of aesthetics, and without craftsmanship or planning. It exudes architectural ugliness.

The orcs are ruled by a very large despot who is probably the most physically disgusting creature ever imagined in the cinema. The obvious despotism would be quite foreign to the egalitarian hobbits, but it is also quite different from the dwarfs where Thorin, the leader, is courageous, fearless, and a true leader of men. He is physically good-looking, and he has royal blood—the rightful heir of his dispossessed and corrupted grandfather. But he does not lead because of his lineage; his group of dwarfs is a classic Germanic comitatus where he must earn the allegiance and loyalty of his followers because of his personal traits.

Richard Armitage as Thorin

Richard Armitage as Thorin

Here was have the makings of a prototypically Western aristocratic society—one based on qualities like courage and leadership needed to survive and prosper in a world where evil has triumphed, at least temporarily. We get a few glimpses of the architecture and sculpture of a bygone heroic age, now lying in semi-ruins, reminiscent of the Argonath in Lord of the Rings (see below). One doubts that the hobbits would be much of a match for the orcs, trolls and evil wizards who populate Middle Earth. The dwarfs can put up a good fight, even if in the end they need the magic of Gandalf to pull them out of the tightest spots.

lord of the rings4


So we have good against evil, beauty against ugliness, rational control against mindless primitivism, empathy versus vicious exploitation and mindless violence, egalitarianism and aristocratic leadership versus brutal despotism.

Just as in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, there is not much doubt about which side to root for. But there is a rather glaring difference. In LOTR, most of the Orcs are clearly and egregiously dark-skinned, so much so that the films seemed to many viewers as also presenting a contrast of white (= all things good) versus black (= all things bad). There was something of a moral panic because of its depictions of good White people trying to save themselves and their culture against the forces of darkness. For example, Stephen Shapiro:

“Tolkien’s good guys are white and the bad guys are black, slant-eyed, unattractive, inarticulate and a psychologically undeveloped horde.” … While Tolkien describes the Hobbits and Elves as amazingly white, ethnically pure clans, their antagonists, the Orcs, are a motley dark-skinned mass, akin to tribal Africans or aborigines. The recent films amplify a ‘fear of a black planet’ and exaggerate this difference by insisting on stark white-black colour codes, Dr Shapiro said.

This concern peaked with The Two Towers with its representation of the Haradrim as “garbed in turbans and flowing crimson robes. They ride giant elephants. They resemble nothing other than North African or Middle Eastern tribesmen” (“‘Lord’ of racism? Critics view trilogy as discriminatory”). There is a long line of critics of Tolkien who see strong overtones of White racialism in his stories (see discussion here).  According to this site, this how orcs are presented in Tolkien:

Orcs appeared manlike (roughly) but looked repulsive. They were shorter in height than Men and Elves and bow-legged with long arms, dark skin, wide mouths with fangs, and slant eyes. Their blood is black. They are generally filthy and dirty.  Sunlight makes most Orcs uncomfortable.

Here are some typical bad guys from The Lord of the Rings:


Orcs of Mordor

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Orc army

Cave Troll from Lord of the Rings

Cave Troll from Lord of the Rings

Well I am happy to report that The Hobbit avoids such unpleasantness by making all the bad guys light-skinned. They are just as physically repulsive and badly behaved as before, but now their skin is unmistakably white. Indeed, one of the chief bad guys is the “Pale Orc,” a very large specimen, with all of the ugly traits of that foul breed. Pale Orc has very light skin—even lighter than the rest of the orcs.

Light skinned orc from The Hobbit

Light skinned orc from The Hobbit


King of the Orcs in The Hobbit

King of the Orcs in The Hobbit


Light-skinned trolls in The Hobbit

So Hollywood and the rest of our hostile elite will sleep well knowing that The Hobbit cannot be interpreted as a White versus Black allegory that touches all too close to home as the entire Western world is being inundated with invaders, many of them dark-skinned.

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136 Comments to "Implicitly White themes in “The Hobbit”"

  1. james hamilton's Gravatar james hamilton
    January 8, 2013 - 8:16 pm | Permalink

    @fender: True

  2. January 2, 2013 - 4:29 pm | Permalink

    “From the Christian churches came the notion of “the White man’s burden,” along with the missionaries who saw in every African cannibal or Chinese coolie a soul to be saved, of equal value in the eyes of Jehovah to any White soul”
    – Chechar

    Sir, you are confusing the Church of Rome, with Authentic Christianity.
    For it is only due to the error of Filioquism, the Schism of 1054, expanded on by the “universal jurisdiction” error of Rome, that led to the ‘Universal (racial) inclusion’ error on the part of the post-Schism West. I’ve treated of that over at my blog.

    Also, re: Narnia, Tolkien, et al. they BOTH are avid Aryan apologists, for having been White, when being White meant something- their own denials notwithstanding.

    Though the point that a sang-froid Englishman being a bit upset that a German might consider themselves to be ‘more Aryan’ than the British (for God IS an Englishman!), and thereby denounce AH for that reason alone, I think, was closer to the mark than any of the other observations.

  3. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 1, 2013 - 3:22 pm | Permalink

    @Spectator: Thanks for the helpful elaboration on my comment. The truth is that I could not recall the name of the Donmei, but it was the group I was thinking of. Even in the absence of any other evidence, the near-continuous friendly press that Turkey has gotten in the ninety-plus years since Ataturk should strongly suggest that Jewish control of Turkey has been uninterrupted.

    Happy New Year to you, too.

  4. Mike's Gravatar Mike
    January 1, 2013 - 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Tolkein was a success as an author. Another is J.K. Rowling who was heavily marketed, making lots of money. Her fantasy world was somewhat similar but multi-ethnic. See to find the non-Europeans. There are Slavs too. Why was she pushed so hard? Or rather, by whom?

  5. Spectator's Gravatar Spectator
    December 31, 2012 - 9:56 am | Permalink

    @Chechar: Thanks for reminding us of Johnson’s review, Chechar. IMHO it is brilliant.

  6. Spectator's Gravatar Spectator
    December 31, 2012 - 8:53 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Yes, Indeed, sir. We must not forget that Kemal Ataturk was of the Donmei–a sort of crypto-Jewish movement in Turkey (like the Marranos in Spain). It have heard it argued that the Donmei are largely descended from the Sabbatai Zevi sect–Sabbatai Zevi (or “Zvi”) was the failed “Messiah” who converted to Islam rather than be executed. The Judaics are a busy bunch.
    BTW–Happy New Year to you and all the learned and loyal commentators here at OR. And thanks again to you Dr Mac for all you have done and continue to do for your people.

  7. Spectator's Gravatar Spectator
    December 31, 2012 - 8:30 am | Permalink

    @Dan: Very interesting about the “tin miners”. You are aware, aren’t you, that other English sometimes referred to the Cornish tin miners as “Phoenicians”? In other words, Semites (if not quite “Jews”). Of course, there is a thousands-of-years trade and cultural interchange between the Phoenicians and the Cornish, dating back to pre-Roman times. It is a complex world, and someone like Tolkien would have been well aware of this.

    • Dan's Gravatar Dan
      December 31, 2012 - 1:13 pm | Permalink

      Im very well aware, I’m partly Cornish.

  8. December 30, 2012 - 10:05 pm | Permalink

    When a large percentage of your population has been mixed race by force, the population ends up in a dilemma, not unlike Hermann Göring’s “I decide who is a Jew.” The miscegenation has already taken place, the only question is the degree of acceptance.

  9. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 30, 2012 - 6:40 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Sweet talking man. If only I could master this keyboard…..

  10. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 30, 2012 - 5:51 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    We must always aspire but I try to avoid the delusional. Which does not mean I scorn a sweet taking man. Happy New Year, Mickey! May it bring us all to a clearer understanding. We can do this. We are better then all the rest.

  11. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    December 30, 2012 - 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Tolkien’s dwarves seem to be have a combination of stereotypical Jewish and stereotypical Nordic traits. While Wagner presents these traits as antithetical, in Tolkein’s dwarves they harmonize.

    Jewish traits:
    1. The dwarves are a diaspora people who remember their ancient homeland, their ancient glory and their dispossession. The dwarves had Moria and the lonely mountain, before the coming of Durin’s bane (the balrog) and Smaug. Despite the lapse of centuries, they dream of regaining what was once theirs.
    2. The dwarves are quick to take offense, hold a grudge from generation to generation, and seek revenge. Both the wood elves and the ancestors of Rohan’s royal house encounter this unpleasant trait.
    3. Secretiveness / distrust of outsiders. The dwarves have secret, dwarfish names known only to themselves. Durin, Thorin, Thrain etc. are invented names used only for interacting with non-dwarves. Their refusal to discuss the object of their quest leads to conflict with the good-hearted wood elves (with whom the humans of laake town interact on excellent terms).
    4. The dwarves are excessively fond of wealth.

    Nordic traits:
    1. The dwarves are craftsmen who enjoy sweating and toiling long hours to produce works of beauty.
    2. The dwarves fight in a manner Victor Davis Hanson would characterize as “the western way of war”: heavily armored, weilding short range weapons such as swords and axes, the dwarves fight at close quarters and seek decisive victory. Losses are acceptable if necessary for decisive victory. Loyalty, courage and discipline are valued more than individual prowess.

    Tolkiens attitude towards the Jews seems to be profound respect, tempered with mild critique. Had he been a real anti-semite, he would have given Jewish traits to the traitorous elite of Middle Earth, Sauruman and Wormtongue.

  12. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 30, 2012 - 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Regarding the New Atheists (as opposed to traditional peaceful atheists), here is what may be a most pertinent comment:

    “Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy; it is not a side effect, but the central pivot.”
    -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

  13. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 30, 2012 - 2:42 pm | Permalink


    We need to somehow educate the jews about their own religion and show them that it’s nothing but lies and self-deception to cover up a massive inferiority complex. If we can show them that their religious beliefs cause our suffering and theirs, and psychologically cut them off from their leadership (rabbis, zionists, extremists, etc.), we can end the loop that has caused our civilization so much trouble.

  14. JPLex's Gravatar JPLex
    December 30, 2012 - 2:20 pm | Permalink

    @fender: That is very well said. I totally agree. This is precisely the way the Jews “network ethnically”.

    Look, it just occurred to me that if they can do with Chinese the same they have done with the Americans… Better not to think about it…

    Anyway, history will repeat itself: Jews are bankrupting USA and then all hell breaks loose, when 200-300 million gun-owners start looking for justice… The American-way. :)

    And, once again, we will see the Jews running out of the country they have looted. Believe me, they will be “innocent”, but like a miracle, the country they have taken over is destroyed.

    Where will they go?

    Europe, of course. But no worries, we know how to handle it. We sure have some experience.

    They have done this every time. Spain, Holland, England, Germany, Russia, now USA. Learn from the history, my friends. You embraced them and now you pay.

  15. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 30, 2012 - 12:58 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    There’s not a lot we can take from judaism because it’s the real-world equivalent of an infinite loop: a set of programming instructions that repeats endlessly until something external shuts it down or some kind of error stops it.

    With jews, the loop is:
    -enter society
    -ally with elites
    -set elites against their people (and people against the elites)
    -achieve power through resulting societal turmoil
    -kick out non-jewish elites
    -oppress and abuse populace
    -get finally kicked out or worse
    -enter another society
    -loop re-starts itself

    It’s never been any other way.

  16. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 30, 2012 - 12:38 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I should say so Alice :O) I mean, you’re definitely sitting with the top brass commenters such as Pierre eh? :O)

  17. December 30, 2012 - 12:31 pm | Permalink


    But that is beside the point: that whites’ ethnocentricity is so weak, and that even a healthy Iberian Christianity accepted miscegenation / mongrelization / bastardization of the white genotype, especially in Portugal.

  18. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 30, 2012 - 12:22 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Since some of my comments simply disappear, never to be seen at all, can I assume they are the best of all?

  19. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 30, 2012 - 12:04 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    (tee hee, suddenly everything on its head with loads of people thinking “why aren’t my comments ever delayed!” and swooning when they are

  20. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 30, 2012 - 12:02 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Pierre – your comments are probably being sent to limbo because people behind the site are interested in what you have to say and don’t want to root through everything looking for it. What’s a few hours delay in the great scheme of things :O)

  21. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 30, 2012 - 11:40 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    By the way, there’s a lot of contexts in which what you say makes a hell of a lot of sense. Is there anything about Jewish culture we want to permanently take on board? Maybe a little but not that much. Better in fact just to say No…because any little bits can use, we can also get other places too, including from within ourselves.
    But strategically speaking, in terms of how do we get our society and future back? Oh sure, we need to be willing to learn from any source, and certainly the source that actually defeated us in the first place, is going to be of primary importance. This is for many reasons most of which are obvious, but most specially for this comment is that concept you raised of ‘mirroring’.
    The best way to reverse a complex thing, is to mirror it out the way it came in.

  22. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 30, 2012 - 11:29 am | Permalink


    I don’t actually agree. I think there needs to be a deeper intellectual and strategic understanding, which as just one side produc puts the behaviour coming out of Judaism back into its box.
    I mean look. Ruthlessness is ok. They didn’t invent that. In war, pretty much anything is ok that you can get away with. The question is, what, from our starting point, can we get away with, and not get away with?
    But the Judaic cultural way – in it’s true form – is about permanent war. Permanently seeking out the destruction of civilizations and cultures. This is not a road we want to go down, or need to go down. Also, it’s not a road down which you can tread, and come out the other side the same person that you were walking in.

  23. December 30, 2012 - 11:18 am | Permalink

    I could have added that the same happened in Germany after WWII. While the gang raping Russians were absolutely savage, the Americans committed rapes on a much lesser scale.

  24. December 30, 2012 - 11:14 am | Permalink

    When the Moors (Black-a-moors) ruled Spain, they brought no women with them. The white women were forcibly made to interbreed with them. Thus the Goths and Visigoths of Spain became darkened.

    In the New World, a similar thing happened. The vast majority of interbreeding would have happened whether the Pope would have approved or not. That is what happens in military conquests. Attila’s army spread their seed across half of Europe.

    The damage in the Iberian principle was done before the imporation of black slaves.

  25. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    December 30, 2012 - 11:06 am | Permalink

    Many of the smartest whites today – Silicon Valley types, Evolutionary Bio-tech Scientists etc – consider this the ‘end of history’ in a racial sense. In the next 20-50 years, they expect to produced a species of people that are as far removed from any human as we are from monkeys. For them, the destruction of most whites is a great thing; just as the plague got rid of all those without the necessary genetic material to survive.

    In that sense, we’ve already out-done the jews. Problem is, most of us will be sacrificed so that this new elite can emerge. Reminds me of Theoden’s quote – “What can men do against such reckless hate?”

  26. December 30, 2012 - 6:26 am | Permalink

    Much of this comment seems forced to me.

    [1] Tolkien’s strength was in narrative description. There’s little analysis; his stories resemble sagas – when he was young, William Morris’s saga-like poems, and the Morte DArthur (first ever printed book in English, I believe), were influential. Bertrand Russell was almost christened ‘Galahad’. Tolkien’s anonymous chronicles the ‘Red Book of Westmarch’ illustrate his style of historical story-telling.

    I’d suggest the atmosphere is like that in Brewer’s Phrase and Fable, which includes possible etymologies of elves and goblins (Dr Johnson thought maybe Guelfs and Ghibellines), orcs as sea monsters (as presumably in ‘orca’), trolls as dwarves of northern Europe, playing tricks like sneakily exchanging babies. Brewer is fascinating in its collation of disconnected items, all of which appear to exist by chance.

    I couldn’t see any reference to Jews, or for that matter to any modern set of people. Something nasty coming from the east suggests maybe Germans at the First World War, or ‘Russians’, but surely the dominant feeling is antiquity, in a descriptive and romantic sense. Tolkien made little attempt at any sort of consistency, as far as I can see. For example, I suppose he must have known that tobacco and potatoes (and maybe fireworks) came to Europe relatively recently; not part of an ‘egalitarian hunter-gatherer society turned agricultural’.

    [2] Tolkien’s weakness was his laziness – the cushioned comfort of academics and the upper middle class. There must have been Hobbit lawyers etc – Bilbo had wills – and Dickens, Trollope, and ‘The Forsyte Saga’ author had many lawyers. But there are none in Tolkien. No teachers, no banking, no money apart from chests of gold and gems. There are few references to artisans; woodcarving skills are more evident in Jackson’s films than in Tolkien. There are no priests – unless you count a few eccentric wizards, with exciting but rather limited powers, usually of a deus-ex-machina type, ad hoc things to escape ‘certain death’ or summon ‘the eagles’. Tolkien didn’t need to consider such people.

    The First World War appears in a modified detechnologised form: the united band of innocents, singing songs together, naive, confident they could win against absurd odds – typical of the start of the war – but in my opinion the return influenced Tolkien more. Most of the really heroic men would have been shot by machine-gun fire, or blown up by shells. As compared with Weimar Germany, or Russia, the shocks must have been relatively mild, but the lack of respect or even pity to demobbed soldiers must have been shocking to Tolkien. Their lot was death duties in rich families paid for their dead sons, women munition workers pleased in effect that male deaths had given them money, goods auctioned and jumped-up bureaucrats – these appear in Tolkien – and ‘hard-faced men who look as if they had done very well out of the war’. Tolkien noticed these societal changes. War profiteers are a heavily-censored topic; my belief for example is the Vietnam War was entirely to make money for Jews; but Tolkien had little understanding of factory-made weaponry.

    The simple-minded division into good and bad in Tolkien is another part of his cushioned ease. What we do is right and good. Obviously. Non-white immigration was unthinkable; literally. Britain had always been white; so much so it wasn’t even noticeable; nobody before mass transport described the British as ‘white’.

    • Dan's Gravatar Dan
      December 30, 2012 - 1:56 pm | Permalink

      This is why you don’t see movies about Boudicca or Harold Godwinson. You would think they are perfect fodder for heroic saga but for some reason they are broadly ignored in favour of fantasy. With Boudicca you have
      a white tribal leader fighting a multicult Borg like the Roman Empire. It’s easy to make but there’s no film.

  27. December 30, 2012 - 4:40 am | Permalink

    @ Chechar et al

    With all due respect, but you must learn to look through the outer trappings at the central issue. Or, as America’s finest poet called it, at THE GREAT HUMANENESS AT THE HEART OF THINGS. Only then can you understand the uniqueness and greatness of the White Race, its Christian European foundations, its unsurpassed achievements.

  28. December 30, 2012 - 3:06 am | Permalink


    “As Chap5 of SAID suggests, Whites will have to become a mirror image of Judaism in order to regain control over these 2 sources of power.”

    I agree with that. See my book-review of KMD’s book:

  29. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 30, 2012 - 1:21 am | Permalink

    @sanjay: Thank you for this information. I will read this chapter immediately.

    I agree that Racial Loyalty must, in certain respects, be like a religion.

    As a humorous parallel, I once watched a television interview with a man and wife who were nudists, and they affirmed that their philosophy and way of life is most assuredly equivalent to a religion with them. If that be so, how much stronger must be the equivalency of faith in Racial Loyalty, though with a rational basis in evolutionary biology, with religious certainty — at least it must be, in feeling and in fervor, akin to a religious rule of conduct not to be violated.

  30. Wagner's Gravatar Wagner
    December 30, 2012 - 1:09 am | Permalink

    @Cannibal Rabbi:
    Merry Christmas,
    The Volk will overcome the Orcs

  31. December 30, 2012 - 1:04 am | Permalink

    @Chechar: @Lombard:
    Without breaking Jewish monopoly over media (esp. TV) and banking, nothing is possible. Internet may have opened the door for contrarian views, but the power of TV is simply unbeatable.

    As Chap5 of SAID suggests, Whites will have to become a mirror image of Judaism in order to regain control over these 2 sources of power.

  32. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 30, 2012 - 12:27 am | Permalink

    I am not trying to denigrate religion per se, however.
    Even Carl Jung (who was not a Christian as he was brought up to be, as I understand) recommended it: “I have treated many hundreds of patients. Among those in the second half of life, that is to say, over 35, there has not been one whose problem in the last resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.” –Carl Jung

  33. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 29, 2012 - 11:58 pm | Permalink

    The opening paragraph of this article immediately suggests what I suspect to be the case, viz., that the Historical Jesus and that of Pauline Christianity are not in full agreement, nor are their teachings:
    The Apostle Paul Founder of Christianity
    by Lewis Loflin

  34. December 29, 2012 - 11:26 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I see your point. But as I have said before even in New Spain, which was genuinely Christian according to your standards, and where every Jew and crypto-Jew found was burned at the stake, the Iberian whites committed the monstrosity of importing innumerable blacks and they polluted their blood with Amerind women, so that by the beginnings of the 19th century they became fair game for a revolt that ended up with the destruction of New Spain and the formation of a new nation where whites no longer ruled: Mexico.

    Again I see your point. But what the Spaniards did was allowed by the Pope, who saw in the native women legitimate subjects of Christian conversion and marriage with the conquerors. Hadn’t Christianity been so Universalist; had it been as ethnocentric as Judaism, mestization would have never taken place—when Christianity was still healthy.

    The story of Catholic Portugal is far worse insofar as they brought the Negroes not only in the colonies but… to the Iberian Peninsula itself!

    A blunder that polluted that nation forever.

  35. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    December 29, 2012 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Let’s not try compare the Jewish influence over the Muslims versus the West. The entire Islamic world could be wiped out tomorrow like the flick of a switch if the Jews so desired it. Pretending Islam offers (better) protection against Jewish power is laughable. Using that idea to attack Christianity is the sign of a strange mind.

    As we speak, Palestinians are being paraded around the world like one of those old time freak shows. They’re being degraded, imprisoned, tortured and eradicated daily in front of a billion Muslims (who all take the psychological blow to the heart) and there’s not a damn thing they’re willing or able to do about it.

  36. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 29, 2012 - 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Could it be that “Orthodox” Christianity was the development of just another Jewish intellectual movement in World History, comparable to all the others we have known?

    Like the others, it certainly had consequences for Jews that Jews neither intended nor forsaw — just as modern Jewsish intellectual movements always do.

  37. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 29, 2012 - 10:58 pm | Permalink

    The Bible — especially the Old Testament — was written from the point of view of the (Bronze Age) Ancient Israelites (whomever exactly they were, for I am far from convinced that modern Jewry is entirely racially pure and unchanged since OT times; nor does modern Jewry seem to me to comprise the whole of the original stock of Ancient Israel) and promotes their own ethno-nationalism.

    Given that the Old Testament explicitly promotes the ethno-nationalism of the Ancient Israel nation, while in the New Testament we have the St. Paul as the “Apostle to the Gentiles,” the question naturally arises: What about ethno-nationalism? In my opinion, the Bible-as-a-whole simply does not address the question adequately.

  38. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    December 29, 2012 - 9:54 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: The Achilles heel for the Muslims is their attitude towards women. As long as they are Talmudic in their thinking their ultimate destruction is assured.

  39. December 29, 2012 - 9:06 pm | Permalink


    “The new atheists are pure scum.”

    Ditto!! And I am writing this a few days after I learnt that Paul Kurtz, the grandfather of American secular humanism, whom I met twice in my life, died two months ago.

    He’s survived by Richard Dawkins, who is also scum.

    These people and many others gave a very bad name to Christian apostates (like me…).

  40. December 29, 2012 - 9:00 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    “But they have been doing precisely that for thirteen hundred years!”

    You mean Jews in the Middle East? As far as I know they have only taken over the media and the academia in the West (and almost both political parties in the US); never in Islamic nations.

  41. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 29, 2012 - 8:57 pm | Permalink


    The new atheists are pure scum. Yes, despite their adolescent hatred of Christianity, their morality is 100% Christian; anti-racism, egalitarianism, brotherhood of humanity, etc. Pathetic. I have far more respect for the average Christian than I have for those soulless, deadened worshippers of “reason” and “logic.”

  42. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 29, 2012 - 8:52 pm | Permalink

    The miscegenation problem is not just a phenomenon among Christians. I do not see any of the New Atheists taking a stand for White Western Civilization, and, most especially, for the White Race. These New Atheists are as cosmopolitain and egalitarian and philo-semitic as any modern Christian. The only difference is that the New Atheists are not necessarily as pro-Zionist as Fundamentalist Christians seem to be.

  43. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 29, 2012 - 8:30 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: I wrote a reasoned and polite reply to your reasoned and polite comment directed to me, but as is true of about half of everything I write of late, it has been sent to limbo for who knows how long.

    This comment merely takes issue with this sentence of yours:

    Proof of it is that Muslims don’t allow the suicidal empowerment of Jews in their nations.

    But they have been doing precisely that for thirteen hundred years! Look at Turkey now or at the various Umayyad, Almoravid, Almohad, and other more minor caliphates of conquered Spain, right through to the Granada emirate. What about Saudi Arabia? It’s virtually an Israeli satrapy.

    As I recently learned from a lawyer acquaintance who had done some work in one of the tiny Gulf states that is officially as dry as Oklahoma was for decades after Prohibition ended, the smuggling in of the vast amounts of booze consumed by the international business and diplomatic communities is handled by just the folks you’d think would be handling it.

    We mustn’t let appearances deceive us.

  44. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 29, 2012 - 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps the chief problem with modern Christianity is that “racism” has become an official “sin.” Many parents of White children actually want their offspring, upon entering adulthood, to marry outside of their race — and encourage it. Having mixed-race grandchildren is the ultimate demonstration of one’s “righteousness” and of how one is clearly not guilty of the moral evil of “racism.”

  45. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 29, 2012 - 8:10 pm | Permalink


    “If our diagnosis of the West’s darkest hour is correct, then the Jewish Problem is an epiphenomenon of the deranged altruism resulting from the secular fulfillment of universal Christian values.”

    Another problem is our genetically-ingrained tendency towards altruism and openness, which is something Prof. MacDonald has mentioned frequently. That puts us at enough of a disadvantage, but two millennia of Christian breeding has made us far softer and more suicidal than we would have been otherwise. Other races are much colder and harsher, especially the jews, who only encourage us to become even softer and more suicidally altruistic.

  46. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 29, 2012 - 8:10 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: My friend, a person wholly ignorant of this planet and just now reading your comment would get the impression that Christianity is the regnant religious doctrine in the United States, perhaps even on planet earth!

    Whether one regards the true state of affairs as heartening or saddening, the fact remains that everything was different, at least in the West, when the Cross was held high and when those who carried it had more than token influence in the daily affairs of men.

    It won’t surprise you to hear that I, being a Catholic, consider both the Great Schism and the Protestant Reformation/Revolt disastrous events for Christians and Christianity. Yet it’s plain that no serious marks of decay and Tribal subversion became apparent until two centuries or so after the 95 theses were nailed on the church door in Wittenberg. Thus, I do not see how the major premise—Christianity is and has been bad for Western man—is even credible, let alone defensible.

    The relationship of Christianity to the USA and its history is a matter on which many books have already been written. Suffice it to say for the nonce that I think that there is little evidence of Christianity’s ever having established here the kind of deep roots that it did in most of the nations of Europe and their historical predecessor states. Seventy-five years ago there seemed to be the makings of a real religious flowering among the Christian churches in this country, a flowering far more significant than the two so-called Great Awakenings. Yet with the near-complete collapse of serious religiosity over the course of barely a generation after 1965, it has to be admitted that the seed of the Gospel must have fallen on pretty rocky ground. Vlad Writes, for one, has written eloquently of the brainwashed character of many of those he worships with. I am not sure whether the situation I myself see is better or worse. For example, when I went to the Traditional Latin Mass on Christmas morning, I found that I was one of fewer than twenty people who didn’t have something more urgent or compelling to do at that hour. The only form of Christianity that seems to have any toehold nowadays is the kind pushed by Tom and dixie: the microfragmented-to-the-molecular-level kind that rejoices in sects containing an absolute maximum of five or six believers. Talk about setting yourself up for a Tribal takeover!

    One of the biggest outfits involved in the international aid racket you decry is Catholic Charities. Yet for the past twenty or thirty years, CC has gotten more than half its funds from taxpayers via the federal government. Do you really think that the thoroughly Judaized U.S. government would be handing that money over to real Catholics!! You can bet your Schumers and Liebermans it wouldn’t.

    The problem is not the Christian Faith; it is the transformation of institutions with the word Christian in their name into weapons whose end is the destruction of that Faith. And even given the present parlous state of affairs, can you give me the name of even a single self-styled preacher of the Gospel who tells his flock that they need to spend more time (and more cash) every month on HBO, Showtime, and other outlets of 24/7 skin? Who indeed is pushing that message?

    The absence of Christianity and Christians is what is to be lamented in this country, not their presence.

  47. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 29, 2012 - 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Religion is a very difficult subject to tackle. In my opinion, religion exists because of a real need in the human psyche; Religion is not just a fluke. It both helps and hinders human beings, according to the quality of the practice in question.

    I am against superstition and dogma. Being reasonable and using critical thinking are essential for our survival and happiness.

    I think that anyone interested in the nature of religion really ought to read the original edition (1958) of The Religions of Man by Prof. Huston Smith. The later re-writes of the book to please the politically correct and feminize the language take away the freshness and vitality of the original. But far worse than this, they change the wording radically (where it would offend no one) and replace very clear and powerful similes with inferior concepts. One cannot re-write a masterpiece. The original is clear and vigorous and suitable for any intelligent reader.

    And even for Atheists, I recommend the book As A Man Thinketh by James Allen as the replacement for the Bible. Morals need to be encouraged so as to overcome both irrationality and extreme selfishness in human beings. Allen’s book should be required reading for all K-12 students and anyone else who has never read it. This book can be read online. Prof. Smith’s original-edition book, however, must be searched for at the public library.

  48. December 29, 2012 - 8:05 pm | Permalink


    No, I believe that these thoughts critical of Christianity are not meant for Public Relations in the movement; only for internal consumption.

    Besides Pierce there are others that have said that liberalism is the offshoot of Christianity (of a dying Christianity I would say).

    No need to advertise these ideas in Mississippi for instance, but I see no problem with exposing them in a blog for sophisticated people.

    Why Muslims, who have lower IQs than us, are immune to Jewish infections, while whites are notoriously vulnerable, MUST be understood.

    Keep in mind that since the 7th century Jews have been unable to takeover any Muslim society. Let’s paraphrase an exchange from another blog to illustrate my point:

    GJ said…

    Are whites inferior to scorpions because we are vulnerable to their stings? The term “inferior” is misplaced here. We are vulnerable to Jews, just as we are vulnerable to arachnids.

    D said…

    A white getting accidentally stung by a scorpion is one thing. But when millions of whites have been repeatedly stung by scorpions for 2,000 years and have not yet learned to stay away from them, it means there’s something wrong with the whites, not the scorpions.

  49. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 29, 2012 - 7:38 pm | Permalink

    Regarding Tolkien and the Jews. In his comment in the interview, where Tolkien says, “Don’t the dwarves remind you of the Jews?” it is like an afterthought — and one clearly not unfavorable in its intent to Jews. However, in our times, if any current Gentile author dared make such a suggestion, it seems to me that it would spark accusations of anti-Semitism and demands for the shutdown of publication of his or her works. But now self-censorship is in full vigor.

    Also, we should not judge Tolkien by modern conditions which were non-existent in his day. I do not believe that he would have favored globalism and multiculturalism and the general mores of our times — not to mention massive immigration, both legal and illegal, to the West. It is entirely possible that he would have frowned on miscegenation, as did most White men of his day.

  50. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 29, 2012 - 7:27 pm | Permalink

    @Sandman: Of course, we are not to be deliberately and reckless offensive — just HONEST about our values. We are not to try to offend other peoples. We are simply to assert our preference for our own.

    When one has the courage to say, “I love all humanity, but I love my own race more,” he will be asked WHY. It is here that any answer given will certainly be controversial in this day and age. Let us answer honestly and wisely. For me, I would say, among other things, that Whites can be beautiful as Whites and that the creation of White families is justified on these grounds alone — that miscegenation ruins this and destroys our future, and for these reasons is morally questionable.

  51. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 29, 2012 - 7:26 pm | Permalink


    So you want to convince people that Christians and the Christian Faith have no part here and in fact are really the problem. You and Abraham Foxman.

  52. December 29, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    I just came back from watching the movie (can’t believe they are going to make three movies out of that one book. Greedy.) it. I never thought of the dwarfs as jews, or saw much jewish in them. More like an odd european kind of people. Maybe something like the scythians?

    I didn’t like the three trolls in the movie. When reading the book I had imagined myself something more John Bauer-like, with much more hair.

  53. December 29, 2012 - 5:15 pm | Permalink

    If our diagnosis of the West’s darkest hour is correct, then the Jewish Problem is an epiphenomenon of the deranged altruism resulting from the secular fulfillment of universal Christian values.

    Proof of it is that Muslims don’t allow the suicidal empowerment of Jews in their nations.

    Who among the Christians in this thread can respond to this argument?

  54. December 29, 2012 - 5:09 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    But what if Fender is right that Christianity is involved in our predicament? These are a couple of paragraphs of Pierce on Christianity (you can read the whole piece in my blog):

    Slave Morality. But Christian ethics—the slave morality preached in the Roman catacombs—was like a time bomb ticking away in Europe—a Trojan horse brought inside the fortress, waiting for its season. That season came, and the damage was done. Today Christianity is one of the most active forces working from within to destroy the White race.

    From the Christian churches came the notion of “the White man’s burden,” along with the missionaries who saw in every African cannibal or Chinese coolie a soul to be saved, of equal value in the eyes of Jehovah to any White soul. It is entirely a Christian impulse—at least, on the part of the average American voter, if not the government—which sends American food and medical supplies to keep alive swarming millions of Asiatics, Africans, and Latins every time they have a famine, so that they can continue to outbreed Whites.

    The otherworldly emphasis on individual salvation, on an individual relationship between Creator and creature which relegates the relationship between individual and race, tribe, and community to insignificance; the inversion of natural values inherent in the exalting of the botched, the unclean, and the poor in spirit in the Sermon on the Mount—the injunction to “resist not evil”—all are prescriptions for racial suicide. Indeed, had a fiendishly clever enemy set out to concoct a set of doctrines intended to lead the White race to its destruction, he could hardly have done better.

    The “White guilt” syndrome exploited so assiduously by America’s non-White minorities is a product of Christian teachings, as is the perverse reverence for “God’s chosen people” which has paralyzed so many Christians’ wills to resist Jewish depredations.

  55. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 29, 2012 - 4:42 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    And yet he does speak to adolescents. I read and enjoyed all the books, but young men get lost in them. All my boys and their friends went through a period of near religious devotion that extended over several years. A far more profitable to topic of conversation may be is Tolkien the last author to speak in an apologetically white, masculine voice?

  56. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 29, 2012 - 4:36 pm | Permalink

    What is it you think this site stands for? It is very clear that he believed in fighting for your own people. He believed that there are evil forces abroad in the land and that they work together in the endless quest for power. That they never use that power for good. That evil advisers who gain influence over men in power are very dangerous. He believed in good and evil and that we must choose with which we align ourselves. He believed that men, with the support and advise and on behalf of women, must fight this evil. I was under the impression that, despite the odd crank and loudmouth who may comment here, those things are what this site stands for. Have I been misinformed?

  57. Fenria's Gravatar Fenria
    December 29, 2012 - 4:16 pm | Permalink

    The recent films amplify a ‘fear of a black planet’

    Anyone who isn’t scared of a black planet is a fool and has obviously done no research into daily life in Africa.

  58. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    December 29, 2012 - 4:00 pm | Permalink

    @Adeimantus: I agree with you on many points. Whites seem to have this knee jerk response in giving approval to other races but the empathy is rarely reciprocated. It’s like living in a fantasy. I guess the desire to avoid being called “racist” is so strong in some people they’d rather see their entire race collapse than be called the R word. But the other races don’t seem to have this handicap.

  59. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    December 29, 2012 - 3:58 pm | Permalink


    If Tolkien and C.S. Lewis were somehow resurrected here in 2012, they would probably be outraged, confused, and depressed at the current mess.

    If 98% of the population of “the allies” during WW2 could have seen into the future as to what the “victory” held , then I am sure they would have stopped the war and shouted one great big collective WTF ?! Then they would have rooted out the war makers.
    But as it stands today; nothings changed.

  60. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 29, 2012 - 3:40 pm | Permalink

    @thm: He’d rather show his contempt for Christians than fight Jewish subversion. Shooting his mouth off while others do the heavy lifting is fender’s game. Like Luke, he’s clever but shallow and soulless.

    Tolkien was neither. He did the heavy lifting. He deserves better than the hip censure of a perpetual adolescent.

  61. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 29, 2012 - 3:29 pm | Permalink


    If Hmmm isn’t Jewish, chances are the real reason he isn’t ready to admit to himself why he keeps coming back here, is because he’s in the process of waking up. He comes here because he knows he’s hearing the truth. I spent a long time doing that sort of stuff before I finally accepted…what by then I’d actually known for years, on some level. It’s just so hard to accept though. Even when you know it’s true. I think that chances are, Hmmm knows.

  62. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 29, 2012 - 3:27 pm | Permalink


    Your comment implies agreement with Hmmm that Tolkien would have despised the work of Dr MacDonald, which to me is obviously false in the first place.

  63. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 29, 2012 - 3:16 pm | Permalink


    Your post explicitly makes the SPLC/ADL approved and promoted assumption that all who are concerned with Christian European ethnic interests and the preservation of European ethnic culture, religion, values, societies etc. are bigoted, violent Neo-N@zis, White supremacists, haters of other ethnic groups etc. That says more about you than the people of this site.

  64. fender's Gravatar fender
    December 29, 2012 - 3:11 pm | Permalink


    “Tolkien knew more about the history, mythology, languages, and culture of the West than anyone who writes for this site, and yet despised everything this site stands for.”

    Because he was a typical Christian.

  65. KT's Gravatar KT
    December 29, 2012 - 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Dr. MacDonald for the article. Tolkiens’ books are a vehicle for conveying his knowledge of ‘pre-history’ in line with the Traditionalist teachings of Rene Guenon. In the preface to LOTR he writes, “Those days, the Third Age of Middle-Earth are now long past and the shape of all lands has been changed.” As for dwarves representing jews, jews were inconsequential in that age, unless Saruman {Solomon} represented that force, which could only come into power in the following Fourth Age, the age of Materialism, the Kali Yuga. For what it’s worth, the dwarves reminded me of Bikers, which Elves would make a pact with, but never jews.

  66. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 29, 2012 - 1:12 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    I’ve had similar thoughts. (Not really about AH, but just in general.)

    If Tolkien and C.S. Lewis were somehow resurrected here in 2012, they would probably be outraged, confused, and depressed at the current mess.

  67. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 29, 2012 - 12:59 pm | Permalink

    “…we are dominated by people intent on importing as many anti-hobbits as possible.”

    Anti-Hobbit is codeword for anti-White.

    That popped into my mind, and I thought there’s something funny about it.

    (I don’t often try to be funny here on T.O.O. And I want to be clear that I’m not making fun of the mantra-posters.)

    Changing subjects a little bit.

    I was thinking about something I wrote in my comment here @Richard, about how Hobbits seem to create things mindfully, with care.

    And I realized that a lot of my past comments didn’t come from a very mindful state.

    I’m much more aware of my thoughts and thought patterns now, compared to the past. I’m better now than I was a few months ago, and a few months ago I was better than I was a year ago. On and on. When I think back on where (or who) I was 5 years ago… it’s almost unbelievable.

  68. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    December 29, 2012 - 12:49 pm | Permalink

    ” would have this site”

    If Tolkien had lived to hear some ganstah rap , it may have changed his opinion a tad.

  69. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    December 29, 2012 - 12:43 pm | Permalink

    If Tolkien did oppose AH and/or this site then that may be because Tolkien died before seeing the fruits of having that “evil” AH defeated.
    Many good people could have a change of heart regarding AH after having read some quality revisionism and then taking a good look around.

  70. December 29, 2012 - 12:22 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Thank you for the additional information, Pierre.
    I don’t believe that I was jumping to conclusions. I posed questions to seek information. I stand by my comments about Tolkien being part of the elite by way of his position. The nobleness of the northern spirit to which he referred was dead by the time William the Bastard invaded in 1066, unless, of course, he was referring to the Welsh and Cornish.

    I referred to Ramsay because he chose to go public to point out the obvious. From what I have read, he may have supported Hitler’s political objectives, but not necessarily all that Hitler stood for – whatever that was. I believe the same can be said for a number of others in Britain at the time, all of whom suffered at the hands of the drunken war criminal who was Prime Minister.

    Being a political animal, I tend to view most subjects in a political light, and be suspicious of stated objectives. In Tolkien’s case, the suggestion of just a story for children is a little thin. The detail is too great for a children’s story.
    I should also say that I tend to disregard statements that refer to “the Nazis” as if they were a monolithic block. There were nuances that are obvious, but are not debated.

  71. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 29, 2012 - 12:00 pm | Permalink

    @The Admiral On Horseback:

    … so what does that mean?

    It means that good sense like yours, while too expensive a commodity for Hmmm and countless others, is cheap at any price!

  72. The Admiral On Horseback's Gravatar The Admiral On Horseback
    December 29, 2012 - 11:53 am | Permalink

    @Hmmm: Tolkien might have opposed “everything” this site stands for, but I would need more evidence to support this than his opposition to AH: obviously many people here also oppose AH, or I could mention Frank Salter’s criticism of AH and N___ism from an ethno-nationalist viewpoint, and Frank Salter evidently doesn’t oppose everything this site stands for.

    But even if Tolkien opposed “everything” this site stands for (did he support mass immigration into each and every White country and ONLY White countries? hard to know), Tolkien is not a deity for us, he was just an important writer. So what, if he had different views from ours? Karl Marx or John Stuart Mill or Saint Lincoln or Saint Churchill might have opposed many of the things going on in the West these days, so what does that mean?

    • Dan's Gravatar Dan
      December 29, 2012 - 12:43 pm | Permalink

      Churchill wanted to keep Britain white. I find it highly unlikely that soldiers from ww1 like Tolkein would have wanted Oxfordshire flooded by Paki Pimp gangs. Just a hunch.

  73. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    December 29, 2012 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    This movie series would never have gotten made if it had any overt anti-semitism. You can read into it whatever you like.

  74. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 29, 2012 - 7:50 am | Permalink

    Thanks, I must reread it.

  75. December 29, 2012 - 4:26 am | Permalink

    Tolkien was an avid reader of old European mythologies etc, this obviously affected his works.

  76. Hmmm's Gravatar Hmmm
    December 29, 2012 - 4:05 am | Permalink

    The same wiki discusses Tolkien’s intense objection to the Allied bombings of German civilian targets, to demonization of the German people, and to the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    The wiki on Tolkien Dwarves discusses at length the (quite intentional) parallels with Jews, and contains this quote:

    In the last interview before his death, Tolkien, after discussing the nature of Elves, briefly says of his Dwarves: “The dwarves of course are quite obviously, wouldn’t you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews? Their words are Semitic, obviously, constructed to be Semitic.”

  77. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 29, 2012 - 3:50 am | Permalink

    At the group level humans are the same across the world, including us. within-group it’s empathy, spreading the love and the Golden Rule (Hobbits) and between-groups it’s
    whatever you can get away with (Trolls, Orcs)

    Our brains have evolved to facilitate this duplicity. We seamlessly compartmentalise our in-group from our out-group thinking/behaviour. Certain well-positioned blindspots have proven to be a major selective advantage. We need to be able to do what has to be done to out-groups, without the brutal amorality we exhibit undermining the cohesiveness of our own group. In light of that, it isn’t hard to see that there are huge advantages to simply not seeing the contradictions/duplicity/hypocrisy. Fast forward a few hundred thousand (or million) years and basically, we don’t see it. The eye cannot see itself.
    And we’re no different at root. Whites are not self-sacrificing, altruists when it comes to out-groups. Whites don’t like out-groups. The only reason it doesn’t look that way at the moment is because the white group was breached, infected with self-destructive memes…. by another group.

  78. Hmmm's Gravatar Hmmm
    December 29, 2012 - 3:45 am | Permalink

    (resubmitted without the words that trigger comment-moderation)
    Tolkien knew more about the history, mythology, languages, and culture of the West than anyone who writes for this site, and yet despised everything this site stands for. From Wikipedia:

    Tolkien vocally opposed Adolf H___r and the NS Party prior to the Second World War. In 1938, the publishing house Rütten & Loening Verlag was preparing to release The Hobbit in NS Germany. To Tolkien’s outrage, he was asked beforehand whether he was of Aryan origin. In a letter to his British publisher Stanley Unwin, he condemned NS “race-doctrine” as “wholly pernicious and unscientific”. He added that he had many Jewish friends and was considering “letting a German translation go hang”. He provided two letters to Rütten & Loening and instructed Unwin to send whichever he preferred. The more tactful letter was sent and was lost during the later bombing of Germany. In the unsent letter, Tolkien makes the point that “Aryan” is a linguistic term, denoting speakers of Indo-Iranian languages. He continued,

    “But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject—which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.”

    In a 1941 letter to his son Michael, he expressed his resentment at the distortion of Germanic history in “Nordicism”:

    “You have to understand the good in things, to detect the real evil. But no one ever calls on me to ‘broadcast’ or do a postscript. Yet I suppose I know better than most what is the truth about this ‘Nordic’ nonsense. Anyway, I have in this war a burning private grudge… against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf H___r … Ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making for ever accursed, that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true light. Nowhere, incidentally, was it nobler than in England, nor more early sanctified and Christianized.”

    In 1968, he objected to a description of Middle-earth as “Nordic”, a term he said he disliked because of its association with racialist theories.

    • Dan's Gravatar Dan
      December 29, 2012 - 12:51 pm | Permalink

      To some extent these things are self excusing apologia. Tolkein was hit quick and hit hard by the professional jews and anti racists of his day.

  79. Hmmm's Gravatar Hmmm
    December 29, 2012 - 3:40 am | Permalink

    Tolkien knew more about the history, mythology, languages, and culture of the West than anyone who writes for this site, and yet despised everything this site stands for. From Wikipedia:

    Tolkien vocally opposed Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party prior to the Second World War. In 1938, the publishing house Rütten & Loening Verlag was preparing to release The Hobbit in Nazi Germany. To Tolkien’s outrage, he was asked beforehand whether he was of Aryan origin. In a letter to his British publisher Stanley Unwin, he condemned Nazi “race-doctrine” as “wholly pernicious and unscientific”. He added that he had many Jewish friends and was considering “letting a German translation go hang”. He provided two letters to Rütten & Loening and instructed Unwin to send whichever he preferred. The more tactful letter was sent and was lost during the later bombing of Germany. In the unsent letter, Tolkien makes the point that “Aryan” is a linguistic term, denoting speakers of Indo-Iranian languages. He continued,

    “But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject—which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.”

    In a 1941 letter to his son Michael, he expressed his resentment at the distortion of Germanic history in “Nordicism”:

    “You have to understand the good in things, to detect the real evil. But no one ever calls on me to ‘broadcast’ or do a postscript. Yet I suppose I know better than most what is the truth about this ‘Nordic’ nonsense. Anyway, I have in this war a burning private grudge… against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf Hitler … Ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making for ever accursed, that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true light. Nowhere, incidentally, was it nobler than in England, nor more early sanctified and Christianized.”

    In 1968, he objected to a description of Middle-earth as “Nordic”, a term he said he disliked because of its association with racialist theories.

    • Dan's Gravatar Dan
      December 29, 2012 - 12:48 pm | Permalink

      The Educated Englishman at that time was horrified by the exclusive claims of the Germans to be a master race set up above all other Europeans. The ruthless fight between the French and English for supremacy wasnt ever intended to accomplish what the Germans were up to. That doesn’t mean Tolkein wanted blacks and browns overrunning Europe.

  80. Mike's Gravatar Mike
    December 29, 2012 - 3:07 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: It is there in the standard edition. Go to then search for the obvious key word. It is there for anyone with a Kindle to read. John Buchan said it then. Was he wrong? For that matter has it changed?

  81. A.C.'s Gravatar A.C.
    December 28, 2012 - 11:45 pm | Permalink


    Tolkien didn’t explicitly claim that the Dwarves “are” Jews or are “supposed to be” Jews or “symbolize” Jews. In fact, Tolkien always emphasized that he disliked such blatant allegory. What Tolkien said was that the Dwarves are in some ways “similar” to Jews and that his invented Dwarfish language was inspired by Semitic languages. Therefore, in my opinion, it seems to me that a comparison between Dwarves and Jews is a superficial one.

    That said, Tolkien obviously had opinions about the direction the West was headed and these opinions no doubt seeped into his work in some way. Interesting articles have been written on the possible messages behind Tolkien’s work on Counter-Currents, though you may be familiar with them. If you ever find the time and want a good piece of fiction to amuse yourself with, I highly recommend The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. They are beautiful novels, very much “White,” and I believe they perfectly illustrate the hopes and fears of those of us who wish to see White civilization survive these dark times.

    P.S., an amusing article written by a leftist on the racial subtext of LotR is “Geo- and Biopolitics of Middle-Earth: A German Reading of Tolkien’s “The Lord of the Rings”” by one Niels Werber. Werber argues, for example, that LotR’s popularity in Germany is owed to LotR’s appeal to the Germans’ implicit racial geopolitical worldview of conquering super men. While some such claims appear to me strange, I think it is very hard to deny egregious examples of racial subtext in LotR (e.g., Saruman engineering a moderately more intelligent breed of Orc, half-Man/half-Orc hybrids used by Saruman to enslave and ruin the Shire in the “Scouring of the Shire” episode from The Return of the King).

  82. kilroy's Gravatar kilroy
    December 28, 2012 - 11:41 pm | Permalink

    I do recommend the Brackman article “Dwarves are not heroes” for an informed discussion of the esoteric but important topic of the identity and relationship of dwarves and jews. Apparently he even made up a semitic derived language for the dwarves.
    It becomes apparent in reading that article that Tolkien’s views on Jews and Judaism are those of a thoroughly orthodox Roman Catholic.
    However, his books were written in a symbolic rather than allegorical mode. Dwarves do not stand for Jews, they just reflect certain aspects of the Jewish character; perhaps we could say their romantic and endearing qualities. Their terrifying, corrupting and tyranical qualities seem to be represented by Sauron. The power of the Rings is clearly that of finance in media and government today.

  83. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 28, 2012 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    The huge problem in the West is that we have lost either the Will or the Conviction that our culture and the people who naturally produce it — the way an apple tree produces apples and a pear tree put forth pears — is in our estimation MORE BEAUTIFUL and OF GREATER VALUE to us than are the other cultures that are produced by other peoples.

    In other words, we find our way of life more conducive to our happiness and well-being that other people’s; we find our women and children more lovable and dear to our hearts than non-White children; and we enjoy the music of our composers and the art works of our artists more than those of foreign peoples. Until we have the courage to assert these aesthetic values — even if the rest of the world calls them “arbitrary” — we cannot overvome the forces that are replacing us.

    We are too unwilling to offend. We need to offend people somewhat if we are to assert our right to survive and prosper. We simply need to refuse to carry this to an extreme.

    The reader may here ask Adeimantus to provide an example. Very well. While I do not think that Asians are inferior by some absolute standard, and I know that many of them are very intelligent and industrious, still I prefer my own European stock. Asians have, on account of their coloring and eye-shape and (to a slight degree) their size, a look that is suggestive of the ant — a subtle insect-like aspect in the countenance. This does not make them inferior. It just marks them as not perfectly adequate for replacing European mankind. Asians are quite admirable — even irreplaceable — in their own historic lands and in their own proper place in the world.

  84. December 28, 2012 - 10:43 pm | Permalink

    What do you think of “The Scouring of the Shire” by Greg Johnson? Sounds like a good interpretation on the J question in LOTR to me:

    After the destruction of the Ring and the downfall of the Dark Lord, Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin return to the Shire only to find that it has been seized by aliens who have enslaved and robbed the hobbits and ravaged the land.

    The returning veterans rouse their people to rebellion, killing many of the usurpers and driving the rest away. Then they discover who was behind it: the fallen wizard Saruman, who is banished from the Shire. Before he can leave, however, he is killed by his servant in crime, the treacherous Wormtongue, who is then felled by three hobbit arrows.

    This chapter was omitted from Peter Jackson’s film trilogy (as well as Ralph Bakshi’s animated version), although Jackson does allude to it in two places. In The Fellowship of the Ring, when Frodo peers into Galadriel’s mirror, he has a vision of the hobbits enslaved and the shire blighted by dark satanic mills. In the extended version of The Return of the King, after the fall of Isengard, Merry and Pippin discover that Saruman’s storehouses contain products from the Shire, indicating some sort of contact.

    But Jackson moved the deaths of Saruman and Wormtongue to the fall of Isengard. Wormtongue still kills Saruman, but he is dispatched by an arrow from Legolas. [see YouTube clips] Thus when Frodo and company return to the Shire, they find it unchanged. Thus in Jackson’s telling, Frodo’s vision was just one possible future foreclosed by the death of Saruman at Isengard.

    Still, I think it a shame that “The Scouring of the Shire” was not filmed, for it is a potent political allegory that remains relevant today. Most commentators simply note that the Scouring is based on Tolkien’s personal experience of returning from the trenches of World War I to find England a changed place. But the Scouring goes far beyond anything in Tolkien’s experiences. It is a work of imagination, a political allegory that far more closely resembles the experiences of German soldiers returning from the Great War to find a radically new, alien-dominated regime.

    The Shire was subjugated as follows. After the fall of Isengard, Saruman was reduced to a wandering “beggar in the wilderness,” a refugee. But when he enjoyed power, the wandering wizard developed a far-flung network reaching all the way to the Shire, where he cultivated the friendship of Lotho Pimple.

    The Shire was an agrarian, autarkic society of independent small farmers and merchants. Pimple, however, was sufficiently alienated and ambitious that he wished to change this social order. He wanted more land than he could work himself, and he wanted hirelings to work it, so he could grow rich by growing cash crops for export. In short, he wanted to be a big shot with a plantation.

    By means of mysterious infusions of capital from outside the Shire (obviously from Saruman) Pimple managed to target economically troubled small holders for takeover (perhaps by loaning them money at usurious rates and then foreclosing when they could not pay), reducing them to employees on what was once their own land. Thus Pimple became a big man, styling himself Chief Shirrif and then just Chief. When Saruman and Wormtongue arrived as refugees, naturally Pimple took them in.

    Having elevated the rootless and greedy Pimple to power, Saruman cozied up with the Chief and began to institute a new order. He brought in racially indeterminate aliens to intimidate and terrorize the hobbits. He also recruited hobbits of defective character — people who wanted to act big and meddle in other people’s business (in the internet age, we call them trolls) — to vastly expand the police force. This was necessary, because Saruman also vastly expanded rules and regulations in order to yoke and mulct the hobbits. Naturally there was discontent, so a vast network of spies and informants was created, as well as a courier service to swiftly convey reports and orders. Dissidents were thus easily ferreted out and imprisoned.

    Society was collectivized. Private homes were replaced by ugly, cramped, ramshackle housing developments. Rationing was introduced to crush the hobbits’ spirits and lower their standard of living, freeing resources to be consumed by their new overlords or to be exported for cash. Leisure was restricted and work expanded. Handcrafts, which were fine for an aesthetically refined and ecologically sustainable subsistence economy, were replaced by heavy industry to produce exports for cash.

    This industry was fueled by wholesale deforestation and fouled the water and the air. But the desecration of nature went far beyond the bounds of even economic necessity, betraying a hatred of nature and beauty as such. Saruman’s real goal was less to create a new world than to destroy the old.

    Finally, to cement his rule, Saruman had his collaborator Pimple secretly killed once he had outlived his usefulness.

    It is simply an error to reduce this all to an allegory of the endogenous rise of capitalism in England. For the role of Saruman indicates that this process was far from endogenous in the Shire. Nor was it in England, for that matter. Saruman represents an alien influence, specifically the Jewish spirit — rootless, alienated, materialistic, and ultimately nihilistic — which is incarnated both in Jewry and its extended phenotype, Calvinism and low-church Protestantism. (It was the Puritan Revolution that brought the Jews back to England.)

    Yet Saruman’s takeover and elimination of Pimple does not resemble anything that happened in England. But it does resemble the revolution that deposed the Kaiser, followed by various Judeo-Bolshevik Putsches and ultimately the Jewish-dominated Weimar Republic. Furthermore, Saruman’s totalitarian system of spies and informants and his expropriation of small farms and seizure of their produce did not take place in England or Germany, but it did happen in Soviet Russia, leading to some of history’s greatest crimes against European man.

    Thus “The Scouring of the Shire” is a political allegory applicable not just to England but to all forms of Jewish subversion of traditional society.

    But it is also an allegory of how a people might regain control of its destiny. The hobbits have lost their freedom through salami tactics. Each day a little more of their freedom was sliced off, but not enough to cause a general rebellion, just a lot of passive grumbling, until finally, when the meaning of what was happening dawned on them, it was too late. Frodo and company, however, returned home after a long absence, and the change hit them all at once. It did not slowly demoralize and enervate them. It made them fighting mad.

    And as war veterans, they knew something about fighting. The Shire was also lost because the hobbits were disunited and fearful, ultimately because they had enjoyed a soft and easy-going lifestyle. Frodo and his comrades, however, had been tested and hardened in the crucible of war. They were not cowed by alien bullies, no matter what their stature. They immediately resolved to rally their people and scour the Shire of the usurpers. The hobbits had been long groaning under the new regime. The veterans were the spark to the tinder.

    A few opening skirmishes led to a climactic battle at Bywater, which left nearly 70 of the alien interlopers dead and the rest in chains or flight. Nineteen hobbits also lay dead. The hobbits then marched to Bag End to depose Saruman and send him packing without penalty. The prisoners were also sent on their way unharmed. These foolishly gentle policies toward murderers were justified by Frodo with effusions of moral and metaphysical clap-trap that remind us that, after all, this is children’s literature. Best we ignore him when our own enemies are at our mercy.

    The closest historical analogy to “The Scouring of the Shire” comes from Germany, where various Freikorps groups — militias of demobilized veterans — put down Judeo-Bolshevik Putsches in Prussia and Bavaria. Furthermore, the successor of theFreikorps was the NSDAP, also led and staffed by veterans, which finally put an end to the Weimar Republic. It is a model worth contemplating today as thousands of white veterans return from a Jewish-instigated war in Iraq to face 30 percent unemployment in a homeland overrun and despoiled by non-white immigrants. They are a constituency just waiting for a leader.

  85. Fatboy's Gravatar Fatboy
    December 28, 2012 - 10:36 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Well, the dwarves are fairly weakly developed in Tolkien. They are minor characters in every story other than Hobbit, except perhaps Turin Turambar, which really derives from the Niebelung Saga. In pre Tolkien fantasy, such as William Morris, the dwarves are distinctly evil.

  86. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    December 28, 2012 - 10:35 pm | Permalink

    In this insightful and revelatory interview Tolkien says (at 7 minutes) that the dwarves call the “Jews” to his mind, not the Orcs! Tolkien Interview.

  87. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    December 28, 2012 - 10:12 pm | Permalink

    One of my teachers read The Hobbit to our class when I was 11 or 12 years old. I remember liking it.

    I’ve already written about how The Lord of the Rings movies helped me. They have a good spirit that can enter the viewer and plant some kind of good seed. I hope the The Hobbit has the same transformative power.

    The shire seems like a great place to live — friendly White people and a good relationship with nature.

    “The rounded doorways, arches and windows, with houses partly underground and grass growing on the roof. Nothing ostentatious. The interior woodwork is stunning, beautifully carved and fitting precisely—the work of master carpenters using very fine wood. Indeed, excellent workmanship is apparent everywhere—in the ways that foods are wrapped, the beautifully formed cheeses, the jars of preserves, the loaves of bread.”

    It sounds like they create things mindfully, with care.

    Which reminds of the old T.O.O. article about Roger Scruton’s ideas about beauty, and how much of modern society isn’t beautiful.

    And this line here also reminds me:

    “The place where the orcs live (one doesn’t know what to call it) is jerry-built, completely without any sense of aesthetics, and without craftsmanship or planning. It exudes architectural ugliness.”

  88. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 28, 2012 - 8:47 pm | Permalink

    @Dr. Faust: The linked material isn’t really an argument in any recognizable sense; it’s a brick through the window or, from another angle, an artifact of what KM justly termed the culture of critique. As soon as one has read footnote 1,

    I follow Gavin Langmuir in writing “antisemitism” and “antisemitic” with no hyphen or capital S to underscore that these views originated entirely in the Gentile culture that produced them, and do not reflect Jewish beliefs or cultural values

    he knows that the deck has been stacked and the fix is in. In classic Tribal fashion, Ms. Brackmann chooses the terrain, promulgates the rules of combat, assigns all the weapons, and then declares that she gets to load them, too! Put otherwise, Tolkien and what he wrote are mere supporting players in the drama that bears their names.

  89. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    December 28, 2012 - 8:24 pm | Permalink

    The king Orc is actually a Goblin.

  90. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 28, 2012 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

    @Fatboy: In essence, yes—but every other reader, including me of course, does the same thing!

    Also, as glancingly noted in my prior comment, written and posted before I saw your last one, there is a distinct break in the earlier (one might even say immature) and later (fully mature) conceptions of the dwarves. For what it’s worth, my own opinion is that there is essentially nothing to be learned from the Book of Lost Tales–vintage conception of the dwarves. I think that the bulk of the interest of the early material is philological rather than narrative. This is obviously, however, an area where disagreement is rife.

  91. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 28, 2012 - 7:39 pm | Permalink

    @Fatboy: May I add, too, that the inclination of some critics and soi-disant Tolkien scholars to equate dwarves and Jews is traceable to a Jewish attempt to discredit all of Tolkien’s writings, even his scholarly ones. (Did you know that he singlehandedly turned the century-old regnant reading of Beowulf—as a fundamentally pagan poem with a few superimposed Christian elements—on its head? All contemporary Anglo-Saxon literary scholarship is indebted to him, a fact especially evident in countless essays and translation introductions by young wannabees complaining bitterly of his influence!)

    As Christopher Tolkien, notably, makes very clear, his father abandoned his early “dark” vision of the dwarves a decade or more before he began writing The Hobbit. In the mature works the dwarves have come to resemble men above all; even the Men of the West (the descendants of the Númenoreans). Like men, they are capable of fast friendship and selfless courage, but some among them are also dangerous and corruptible. It is certainly true that they are like Jews in having a low regard for husbandry and an inclination to acquisitiveness, but they are notably unlike Jews in having no fear of a full day’s manual labor.

  92. Fatboy's Gravatar Fatboy
    December 28, 2012 - 7:38 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: You mean you think I’m reading that into the book. That possibility is always open with symbolism in literature. But I believe it reflects a culmination of similar symbolism in earlier books, of which Hobbit is a successor. It’ s difficult to grasp into words and impossible to prove.

  93. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 28, 2012 - 6:40 pm | Permalink

    @Fatboy: Perhaps. Yet I would say, rather, that it’s something attributable more to you, as reader, than to Tolkien as writer.

  94. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 28, 2012 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: You have jumped to far too many conclusions, my friend. Tolkien’s letters, many to his son Christopher, reveal all. When it came to the combatants in World War II, he was an equal-opportunity despiser. He condemned all the Allied leaders as roundly as he condemned Hitler. In fact, he called the Allies murderers for what they did to the German civilian population during and after the war. Need I add that he loathed Stalin, too?

    One should never conclude that a low opinion of Hitler necessitates a high opinion of Stalin, Bomber Harris, Churchill, Curtis Le May, FDR, or any combination of the foregoing. If it did, I for one would be in a most uncomfortable position.

    Happy New Year, Curmudgeon.

  95. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    December 28, 2012 - 6:06 pm | Permalink

    I must disagree here. The Dwarves are clearly a bunch of Semites. Perhaps they were intended to be Cornish Tin miners or something, but they are jewy.

    Bilbo is basically the good hearted yokel
    from the Shire who helps them get back atop the biggest pile of gold in the world.

    The vicious characters all have Cockney type accents or RADA problems. This is the Jewish LOTR.

    • Dan's Gravatar Dan
      December 29, 2012 - 2:11 pm | Permalink

      This is a reply to K Mac.

      They sat atop a pile of gold. They were then made homeless and in order to fet it back they stir up a climactic battle among five armies. Physically they remind me of the stereotypical Semite as well. Richard Armitage’s rather handsome face is given a heavy dark brow and a hookier nose.

    • Dan's Gravatar Dan
      December 29, 2012 - 5:59 pm | Permalink

      I think that he probably was. And justifiably so. OWS is essentially about Jews even though the protestors, can’t quite name the actual 1% who have us by the balls.

    • Dan's Gravatar Dan
      December 29, 2012 - 6:07 pm | Permalink

      Keeping to the topic. I think the touchy Jewish intellects who piss and moan about Tolkein probably got it right. Except of course Tolkein unfortunately denied it all.

      Alberich the Dwarf, who Tolkein would have been aware of as a character in the Ring Cycle was widely understood to be a Jewish sort of character. Jackson must also agree to a degree.

    • Dan's Gravatar Dan
      December 29, 2012 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

      Why did Adorno immediately recognize his own people in the loathsome Alberich? Perhaps that’s the million dollar question. Jewish literature professors go off the deep end with European myth, and if they see themselves reflecting back in the mirror as gold obsessed, rootless drifters, who are we to disagree?

  96. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 28, 2012 - 6:03 pm | Permalink

    In the link you provided there was a mention that The Thirty Nine Steps originally referenced a Jewish plot. Can anyone confirm this? How far back would one have to go to get an unabridged version?

  97. Fatboy's Gravatar Fatboy
    December 28, 2012 - 5:52 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: No, he never said– it’ s just something you have to grasp for yourself. Think about it: the dwarves are out to reconquer a homeland they lost generations ago, and in doing so, they stir up a battle between five armies. Vague, I realize, but is there a symbol lurking in the fifth army, which comes to turn the tide? Ah!
    Actually, the JQ is hotly debated in the fantasy and sci-fi literature, in symbolic form. Tuition Lannister falls in this tradition.

  98. December 28, 2012 - 5:50 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Curious that Tolkien, a WWI veteran like Hitler, would want war, while Hitler wanted to avoid it. Could it be that being an officer gives one a different view than a corporal?
    Tolkien may be correct in his view of Hitler, Pierre, but what was his view based on? An Oxford don was and is part of the elite of Britain. To get there you have to be at least as brainwashed as they are at Harvard. Would anyone with a professed love of old Norse/Germanic languages and culture truly prefer the cesspool in which Germans were submerged during the Weimar Republic? Hitler was no angel, but he did remind Germans of their thousand year history, and told them to be proud of it.

    What could the English be proud of? The lunatic Puritans turning the country over to the Jews after a kangaroo court and the execution of a Catholic king? The world wide imperial wars waged to enrich the Jewish bankers at the expense of the citizen? The press gangs kidnapping citizens off the streets to fight in those wars? The industrial revolution that fuelled world conquest, and has made the vast majority of us mindless consumers?
    Did Tolkien criticize Churchill and Harris for the slaughter of German women and children? Didn’t the Zionist sycophant Churchill add to the ruination and perversion of the spirit of Britain?

    Archibald Ramsay, also a devout Christian served in WWI. He wasn’t in the sheltered life of Oxford. He was opposed to “the widespread attack upon the Christian verities which emantes from Moscow, and which is revealing itself in a literary and educational campaign of great intensity.”
    He saw, in 1938, that having Jews in Government were going to lead Britain into a war with their German kinsmen. Eventually Churchill has him imprisoned without trial even though he was an elected MP.

    So, which one was more in touch with Germans and their values? I know who would get my vote.

  99. Thomas's Gravatar Thomas
    December 28, 2012 - 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Goblins and orcs’ appearance was based on rumors received in western europe of the Mongols. Hence swarthy, slant-eyed, bow-legged, and utterly viscious, wielding scimitars.

  100. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    December 28, 2012 - 3:31 pm | Permalink

    “The Hobbit” has just come to my local cinema . I was debating whether to see it or not and decided to give it a miss, largely because I seldom see movies nowadays. Also I suspected this would have to have a lot of padding — since the movie is 3 hours long and the plot of the novel, it seemed to me, relatively skimpy for such a long movie.

    However, having read your positive review, full of nostalgia for a lost world of innocence and beauty, and seen the beautiful pictures you chose for the article, I’ve changed my mind. This is a movie I am now determined to see.

    Thank you! I’m going tomorrow…

  101. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 28, 2012 - 3:27 pm | Permalink

    @Mike: All well and good, of course. But you do know, don’t you, what JRRT thought and wrote of Adolf?

    … [He] [r]uin[ed], pervert[ed], misappl[ied], and ma[de] for ever accursed, that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true light. Nowhere, incidentally, was it nobler than in England, nor more early sanctified and Christianized.

    The entire letter is found in the collected letters and quoted in the authorized biography (Humphrey Carpenter edited the former and wrote the latter). Here as elsewhere, JRRT’s views are so explicit and unmistakable that to subject them to extension or “interpretation” is neither necessary nor particularly honest.

  102. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 28, 2012 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Marcus: Have you tried Ixquick or its Google-associated twin, Startpage? Neither records a user’s IP address.

  103. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 28, 2012 - 3:08 pm | Permalink

    @The Admiral on Horseback: Thank you for the welcome. I have reached a point, as I recently said to someone else, where I will comment only when either pleasure or (more likely) irritation overrides the now dominant impulse to minimize contact with the outside world. This is one of those instances.

    Literature and the arts affect some people not at all and other people deeply. For the second group especially, the influence of literature can extend to the unlikeliest nooks and crannies of private and public life. This is not news, of course. Yet it is critical, especially if one considers truth important, that the distinction be drawn between the actual meaning, the innate significance, of a book or an entire oeuvre, such as Tolkien’s, and the uses that individual readers, reacting in ways not necessarily envisioned by an author, put it to.

    Merry Christmas (Day 4 now) and Happy New Year, Admiral Gabor.

  104. Dr. Faust's Gravatar Dr. Faust
    December 28, 2012 - 2:56 pm | Permalink

    See Rebecca Brackmann’s argument that Tolkien’s Dwarves were based on his evolving take on Jews here: “Dwarves are not heroes”: antisemitism and the Dwarves in J.R.R. Tolkien’s writing.

  105. twit's Gravatar twit
    December 28, 2012 - 2:53 pm | Permalink

    James O’Meary

    I’m proud to be pasty.

    WTF? There’s a reason why actresses like Nicole Kidman, January Jones, Christina Hendricks are some of the most desirable women on the planet.

  106. Mike's Gravatar Mike
    December 28, 2012 - 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Tolkien knew who set up the Bolshevik revolution, who was trying to take over Germany, who opposed Adolf. He was a man of his times. Stormfront explains at

  107. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 28, 2012 - 2:40 pm | Permalink


    My last comment draws upon quotes from your earlier, now-linked comment. I inadvertently deleted the link at some point in revising my reply, for which I apologize.

  108. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 28, 2012 - 2:36 pm | Permalink

    … [The Hobbit … has subtext about World War 1.

    Not really. It incorporates certain youthful mental and material associations of its author. You may be thinking of the foreword to the second edition of The Lord of the Rings, where Tolkien refers to his being deeply affected by what he experienced of warfare in World War I (rather a lot, in terms of intensity rather than duration—he was at the Somme—though because of illness he was relocated to the rear in, if I recall, 1917) and of making creative use of his feelings in representing warfare in LotR (with no mention made there of) The Hobbit. This is leagues removed from anything so un-Tolkienesque as “subtext.”

    … the dwarves actually symbolize Jews.

    JRRT himself never wrote or said any such thing, nor has Christopher Tolkien claimed or alleged any such thing. Wikipedia makes reference to what it calls Tolkien’s final interview (I have not heard it), wherein it is claimed that he said, “wouldn’t you say that in many ways they [Dwarves] remind you of the Jews?” Well, Winston Churchill’s visage frequently reminded people of a bulldog, but as far as I know, Churchill wasn’t brought out to the Strand on a leash when he was inclined to defecate. That is to say, an after-the-fact coincidental reminder is something rather different from an elaborated plan, even given his frank admission that he (JRRT) conceived the language of the Dwarves—noteworthy as the least developed or elaborated of all the languages of Middle-earth—on a Semitic basis. Furthermore, the interview is the only instance of Tolkien ever drawing such a connection, even in this limited sense. See also my comment, above, to KM anent Wikipedia, the sources of the Elven tongues, and the Rateliff book.

    … Dwarves symbolizing Jews … is a popular trope in fantasy literature.

    JRRT read and loved books of all sorts as a boy, but as an adult he came to hate the very idea of fantasy literature (apart from his own, which he described as imagined history) and, aside from the works of his dear friends C. S. Lewis and Charles Williams, never read the stuff. See Humphrey Carpenter’s authorized biography for further information, as well as The Inklings, also by Carpenter.

  109. The Admiral On Horseback's Gravatar The Admiral On Horseback
    December 28, 2012 - 1:53 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Happy to see you around again!

    You’re right, when writing about Dwarves, some elements of Jewish history could have been (and probably were) used (as well as elements of myths and maybe of other peoples’ histories), but that’s totally different from saying that Dwarves were Jews or metaphors for Jews or whatever like that.

  110. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 28, 2012 - 1:32 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: I forgot to mention the laughably erroneous Wikipedian claim that the Lonely Mountain, the home of Thorin Oakenshield and his fellow Dwarves, was the “homeland” of the Dwarves. Utter rubbish, as any 11-year-old reader of The Hobbit might tell you. It had been the home of only a small segment of the Dwarves, of which the group in The Hobbit is the sole remaining remnant.

    • Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
      December 28, 2012 - 1:45 pm | Permalink

      @Pierre de Craon: I really hate wikipedia and try to avoid it at all costs, some articles contain useful links unfortunately. OTOH Google/Jewgle is almost impossible to bypass.

  111. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 28, 2012 - 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Dear Professor McDonald: The material you refer to is an all-too-typical example of Wikipedian (= Jewish) self-absorption. The Rateliff material would never have been given formal approval by Christopher Tolkien had any such blatant one-to-one connection been drawn. Rateliff draws attention to Tolkien’s use of traditional and actually recorded elements of Jewish history and psychology; this is utterly different from the Wikipedian claim that the Dwarves are “modeled” on Jews. To make this claim, even as roundaboutly as the egocentric, solipsistic Wikipedian writer makes it, is about as sensible and well founded as, say, to claim that because the Elven language Sindarin has many structural elements of Welsh and the Elven language Quenya has many structural elements of Finnish, these two genetically identical branches of the Elves are actually Welshmen and Finns in fancy dress.

  112. thunk's Gravatar thunk
    December 28, 2012 - 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Nice review. I haven’t seen it yet, but am dsiturbed that black colored orcs in the The Hobbit have been made white in order to placate overly-sensitive politically correct creeps…

    • Dan's Gravatar Dan
      December 30, 2012 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

      They look a lot less menacing because of it too.

  113. December 28, 2012 - 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Good review. It’s decided me to see it. Review quoted, commented, and linked here:

  114. Joachim's Gravatar Joachim
    December 28, 2012 - 12:29 pm | Permalink

    On the other hand, jews as light skinned orcs makes sense. Always in the dark, scheming and full of treachery, and physically repulsive.

    Can’t get a handle on a dwarf being a jew except for the lust for gold part, which is actually a universal flaw. Then the working together part, the collective mentality? That’s jewish.

    My gratitude to the creator of the Hobbit for not including the token diversity as actors in this fantasy. There should not be quotas of racial representation in films. That’s a kosher thing.

  115. Joachim's Gravatar Joachim
    December 28, 2012 - 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Orcs reminded me of jews in appearance as well as character when I first read the books 40 years ago, except that orcs are more attractive and jews get others to do their fighting for them. That’s why I can’t connect jews to dwarves. I’ve never seen a jew do hard, physical work and certainly not with any skill. Nor do they have the honor or bearing that a dwarf would have. I believe I could trust the word of a dwarf.

    Never imagined the existence of blacks or browns in Middle Earth any more than in that charming, clean, relatively peaceful little town that I grew up in. So even if there were racial allegory in the story, it would be to portray the truth. Just as in the Shire, once you allow the bad elements to come to town, its quick decay is sure to follow.

    Thanks for the article. I may end up seeing this one after its release on dvd although I abhor the idea of a trilogy that smacks of milking the franchise.

  116. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    December 28, 2012 - 10:26 am | Permalink

    I would agree with your largely benign reception of the movie. I enjoyed it more than I did the LoR trilogy. The technology is a marvel to behold. I know that the story also comes from a place close to Peter Jackson’s heart. Word is that he actually lives in a customized hobbit hut in New Zealand.

    Also, re: your reading of the subtext surrounding the pale Orcs etc., I recently read that the word “Goblin” is a corruption of the word “Ghibelline,” in which case we could attribute macrocosmic elements at work here beyond the usual suspects(ie – the collective Guelph unconscious still permeating RC and Protestant Christianity).

    Finally, my general strategy with these types of movies is to stay away unless I can trace the story back to an actual literary text that I know I can trust. In the end, it is rather hard to completely destroy a story that must utilize the Tolkien logos. I used to be excited about the potential of new media like videogames to redirect thematic cesspools from current stewing. However, it seems evident that cinema will continue to set the pace and tone for all the other varieties of passive and interactive media. So, it would seem that Hollywood is still a legitimate target for cultural invasion by the likes of a contemporary MacArthur with Jedi superpowers.

    Maybe we can get a similar treatment in the not so distant future to Frank Herbert’s Dune. Then we might begin to have an arsenal big enough to reinstitute private drive-in theaters across Red-state America fueled on nothing but cinema once removed from the veneer of the contemporary “cutting edge.” Or maybe we could have a traveling movie festival with kernel hits plus games/circus fanfare and recreate a retro-Americana county festival atmosphere. Hmm…

  117. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    December 28, 2012 - 10:24 am | Permalink

    I haven’t played the games in years, but I preferred the portrayals of the usual fantasy races in the “Warcraft” series to those of the LOTR movies. The orcs & trolls are still ugly and nasty but not hideous, they’re mostly green skinned. The dwarves are like mini-Vikings and the elves are taller but also very Nordic. Humans are kind of in between. I guess it’s understandable that we turn to escapist fantasies more and more as reality becomes uglier and more hopeless.

  118. December 28, 2012 - 8:54 am | Permalink

    It’s actually a pretty neat solution to the “problem”. ‘White’ after all is a vague description; most healthy ‘white’ folk are not really ‘white.’ When the nice midwestern White boys of MST3K notice how white the actors are in some old film they hurl insults like ‘pasty’ and ‘fishbelly’ so there are degrees and, at the margin, ‘too white’ is simply unhealthy. Otherwise, we’d raise our children like veal calves.

    AND, the cave dwelling trolls and orc would indeed have that ‘unhealthy’ whiteness, so it works both ways!

    Jews, of course, are notably pasty people. Around here in NYC, you see some Hasid looking ones with dead white skin and RED hair. I don’t know if this is some kind of cross breed — unlikely, considering how insular they are — or the opposite, some kind of inbreeding. Anyway, definitely the creepiest Jews of all.

  119. twit's Gravatar twit
    December 28, 2012 - 8:11 am | Permalink

    The Pale Orc looks cute and friendly.

    I want to give the Pale Orc a makeover..clear up the herpes around the lips, add some false eyelashes…a spackle of foundation would do wonders as the bone structure is very good…

    We need dark orcs!!

  120. Tim Howells's Gravatar Tim Howells
    December 28, 2012 - 6:05 am | Permalink

    Something interesting is happening with very implicitly white spinoffs of the Lord of the Rings being produced at a very professional level and being made freely available on the internet. Especially see Born in Hope

    In this one Arathorn kills an Orc early on (not a light-skinned one either), and emphatically says “this is NOT your land!”

    Tim Howells

  121. Fatboy's Gravatar Fatboy
    December 28, 2012 - 5:09 am | Permalink

    In the book The Hobbit, the dwarves actually symbolize Jews. Not in the specifics, but in the broad sweep of the plot. It has subtext about World War 1. Dwarves symbolizing Jews, ie either the dwarves of Norse mythos or midget humans, is a popular trope in fantasy literature.

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