Christian Televangelist John Hagee is very concerned about Ukrainian Jews. Ukrainian Christians? Not so much.

Back in 2014 Andrew Joyce penned an article on the despicable John Hagee and I wrote one in 2010. Hagee is still at it, now advertising on Fox and who knows where else to raise money for Ukrainian Jews. Not a mention of the fact that Jews are at most 1 percent of Ukraine’s population. But their safety is far more important to Hagee than the safety of his fellow Christians.




30 replies
  1. todd hupp
    todd hupp says:

    The gentile Christian pastor does not seem to understand he is an unclean goy-a donkey to serve the Jew per the Talmud,
    Israel has interestingly stayed neutral or possibly pro Russian in the conflict. They may become a conduit for circumvention of the prohibition of goods going to Russia from the West (as being organized by Russian merchants.)

    KAREN BERGER says:

    John Hagee is an enemy of the cross of Christ. Phil. 3:18.

    Christians who believe the garbage spewed by this grifter are hopelessly lost.
    Being a Christian woman I can’t say the words. What a disgrace.
    Russia is a Christian country, as is Ukraine. And this reprobate spews nonsense about saving Jews?
    Christians are not supposed to be “unequally yoked together with unbelievers”. II Cor. 6:14

    What I’d be curious to know is how does Hagee talk people into this nonsense?
    And the people who watch him on TV get to vote in elections?
    Universal suffrage was a really, really bad idea.

    • Pierre de Craon
      Pierre de Craon says:

      John Hagee is an enemy of the cross of Christ.

      Some people still think of him as merely a dupe or a well-meaning fool, but he is neither. He is, as you say, an enemy.

      Universal suffrage was a really, really bad idea.

      Indeed it was. Moreover, I am inclined to go farther and say that all suffrage is a bad idea. A man or woman who can be led to believe that voters are the true rulers of a nation, any nation, can be led to believe virtually anything—including that support for Zelenskyy will protect you from COVID and wearing a Fauci mask will help sink Russia’s Black Sea fleet.

      Have I got that right?

      • Lucius Vanini
        Lucius Vanini says:

        UH, PIERRE—
        While there’s the Judeo-Christian view of the Jews as rebels against God, there’s another that’s every bit as warranted by the Judeo-Christian scriptures—namely that the Jews are God’s Chosen People, selected by the Creator to receive and transmit his message.

        Anyone who accepts the Old Testament is hard put to finally discredit that narrative. And consider that even the people who preached a new messianism (a Jewish notion), the version you believe in, were all ethnic Jews! For that matter, what was the incarnation of your savior himself—not a Jewish carpenter descended from David King of Israel and son of the god of Israel?

        How can there be any wonder that so many Judeo-Christians regard the nation of Israel as more valuable than other, being, as they’ve been, the human link between the Creator and second-class Cosmic citizens like us? For Pantheos’ sake, it was the nation of Israel, according to your belief, which received the infallible lowdown on what’s right and what’s wrong, directly from the Creator.

        That Hagee and so many other Judeo-Christians exalt and serve the Jews is, I find, a most unsurprising phenomenon! And we can expect it to flourish, perhaps even burgeon, now that the Europe-descended are much abler to be self-consistent Judeo-Christians.

        • Pierre de Craon
          Pierre de Craon says:

          Anyone who accepts the Old Testament is hard put to finally discredit that narrative.

          This is a problem encountered primarily by people whose acquaintance with the New Testament and twenty centuries of Catholic and other Christian teaching is limited to a Saturday Night Live Weekend Update version of some intoxicated grad student’s transcription of Voltaire’s witty but baseless attacks on Christianity.

          The Acts of the Apostles can be read in a single sitting of roughly an hour. Getting through Galatians takes less time, and 1 Peter less still. Faced with the authority of these three documents alone, no claim for the continuing “chosenness” of the Jews or the orthodoxy, let alone the integrity, of John Hagee can survive inspection.

        • NX-211
          NX-211 says:

          The coinage “Judeo Christian” dates from about 1880. It is a ploy to suggest that somehow Christianity and Judaism are the same. Before that the phrase does not appear and would have seemed freakish and nonsensical to Christians during the previous 18 centuries.. The Epistles of Paul , The Book of Acts, and the early history of The Church are a record of the Jews rejection of Christ and the persecution of Christians beginning with the killing of the first Christian martyr St. the Jews which St Paul witnessed personally. The Book of Acts is a litany of Pauls preaching to the Jews about Christ as a fufillment of their own scriptures which they emphatially reject. St Paul is flogged by Jews almost 200 times, stoned unconscious 3 times and beaten with rods for preaching Christ.. Hardly suggesting one big happy Judeo Christian family. By 50AD the Christians no longer see themselves as Jews and give up converting them. .. As for themselves the Jews are scattered by the Roman legions the Temple torn down as Christ prophesied an they retreat into writing the Talmud.. a book of bewildering legalistic complexity written by the Jewish elite in which they circle around and around in a pointless nihilistic passion for legalistic hair splitting. As Christianity spreads to all who accept the Christian message.. the Jews isolate themselves in hatred of Christianity in ever smaller ever more paranoid and xenophobic enclaves .. and the rest is history.

          • Lucius Vanini
            Lucius Vanini says:

            Hilarious, how supposedly anti-Jewish Judeo-Christians strive mightily to distance their creed from the Jews. They seem like well-hooked catfish lashing, flailing, twisting, but always unable to get off the hook!

            They can never succeed because their creed was created by Jews from the bottom up. LOL even the man most vocal against the old messianism was a Jew! Saul of Tarsus. Says Nietzsche (who by the way was the son of a Lutheran minister and grandson of two Lutheran pastors):

            “The whole fatality [that of Judeo-Christianity] was possible only because there was already in the world a related, RACIALLY-related megalomania, the JEWISH: once the chasm between Jews and Jewish Christians opened up, the latter were left with no alternative but to employ AGAINST the Jews the very self-preservative procedures counseled by the Jewish instinct, while the Jews had previously employed them against everything non-Jewish. The Christian is only a Jew of a ‘freer’ confession.” —THE ANTICHRIST, aphorism 44. The emphasis is Nietzsche’s.

            OF COURSE many Judeo-Christians will tend to see the Jews as THE most special of nations! According to your belief, it’s through the Jews alone that salvation was made possible. Because of them—and NO OTHER people—you expect to live blissfully forever (incidentally with the son of the God of Israel, who incarnated as a Jewish carpenter and vicariously atoned for your sins).

            Shannon Bream of Fox News has written a book about the women of the bible. Her purpose is to acquaint Judeo-Christian women with exemplary womanly conduct. And who are the women of the bible? Jewesses, no? That book will be read by millions, who will conclude as so many others exposed to your creed do—namely that the Jews are the group whom we must thank for the knowledge of right and wrong, of righteousness and redemption—and hence are the most valuable group!

            As for the term “Judeo-Christian,” it’s perfectly apt. It doesn’t mean that Judeo-Christianity is the same as Judaism. There’d be a word for that—namely JUDAISM. No, it denotes the fact that there’s an intimate connection between the two creeds, with e.g. the scriptures of the one having been incorporated into the other. Surely, NX-211, you won’t try to deny that the Old Testament isn’t considered holy and substantially authoritative by Judeo-Christians, or that you got your GENESIS story of the fall of man from Hinduism….

            P.S. Of the three of us, only I—a European in every sense, in psyche as well as genome—have the logical right to view the main tendency of the Jews as consisting of psychopathology, xenophobia, criminality.

          • Pierre de Craon
            Pierre de Craon says:

            Ah, well, if Nietzsche says something, I suppose it must be so. What authority could approach his, after all? If only he had been able to make a velouté sauce without burning the roux, he’d have been truly beyond reproach in every way!

            Seen from another perspective, your references to Nietzsche are virtually the only points in your characteristically splenetic, metaphor-heavy rant where (1) your words and (2) anything that can be deemed even slightly verifiable come within shouting distance of one another. Everything else is so redolent of standard pilpul that I wonder that you aren’t embarrassed by the association.

            Finally, as for psychopathology, if I had your credentials, Lucius, I’d be in less of a hurry to practice the unlicensed pseudo-discipline of mind reading whenever you have the misfortune of encountering someone who has the temerity to find your familiar sneers at Christianity too willfully misinformed to respond to with anything less effective than prayer. As we are allies in much, however numerous our antagonisms, you may count on mine—like it or not.

          • Lucius Vanini
            Lucius Vanini says:

            CORRECTION: the last sentence of the penultimate paragraph in my reply to Pierre de Craon and NX-211 should read:

            “Surely, NX-211, you won’t deny that the Old Testament IS considered holy,” etc.

          • Lucius Vanini
            Lucius Vanini says:

            Wondrous, the way you avoided tackling my points (there were points, and you know it), and Nietzsche’s, to characterize the issue as being about me. Still, it’s touching how you loyally deflect the attribution of psychopathology away from that nation to which you owe your forthcoming and never-ending blessedness.

            Well, I guess I can’t expect much more from one who locates INFALLIBLE VERITY in the most deceitful of all groups, the great masters of deception….Pierre, I do believe you’d buy a talking dog from a ventriloquist.

            Just be the well-hooked catfish which does become unhooked! All you have to do is show that it was NOT the nation of Israel, ethnic Jewry, that you derive your sacred books, your ultimate truth, your holy soothsayers, your Redeemer, so that no one can fall into the natural error of supposing it to be the most special and valuable nation, or the nation without which there’d be no Judeo-Christianity.

            That’s all you need do. Do that and, where our present difference is concerned, Nietzsche and I are refuted!

            Oh and I apologize for asserting things that don’t seem sufficiently verifiable to you, I should’ve known you’re a stickler for the verifiable, since you credit doctrines which are readily and perfectly verifiable, not requiring faith, and have no doubt verified the parthenogenesis of your Redeemer, the efficacy of the Vicarious Atonement, the escape of your Chosen People via the bottom of the Red Sea, the raising of Lazarus, etc., etc.

            You’re the second Judeo-Christian here to mention prayer in connection with yours truly. In any case, I’ve been meaning to talk to you about prayer. MATTHEW 21:22 says “And whatever you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”
            And that makes sense, since your God is both infinitely loving AND omnipotent. I mean, desired results are a sure thing if prayer is efficacious, no?

            So I beseech you, Pierre, Man of Munster, to pray to your God for the prompt annihilation of the outrages afflicting my beloved EuroCiv. I’ll eagerly await the strokes of Divine Providence—starting, I hope, with a quick resolurion of the Ukraine War in Russia’s favor, the de-certification of the ’20 presidential election, and the release and financial compensation of the J6 political prisoners.

  3. John D. Alder
    John D. Alder says:

    He is the ass 💋 kisser supreme when it comes to Jews and Israel. Sad to see so many gullible sheeple swallow the swill he peddles and fork over their money in exchange for more Jewish fairy tales and superstitions.

  4. Gerry
    Gerry says:

    A South African housewife, yes a housewife Anton Sawyer said it best in her message Ichabod or Revival:

    “There is a tidal wave of deception flooding into the Church and my people do not know the difference between truth and error anymore. They are eating any bait that is thrown out. There are hirelings standing behind the pulpit and they lead God’s people astray.”

    Texas? And with it that center of higher learning cough, cough, or barf, barf, Dallas Theological Seminary, O good grief?

    You know I read a comment over at the Saker blog about what Christians in Israel face, persecution on an alarming scale, but what caught my eye really was we are taken to be idolaters by those people. They think we are in the sin of idolatry! Wow, do you know what that means? It means that when their messiah shows up we are doomed, seriously doomed!!! Idolatry is treason and treason is it not a death penalty? What then are current Christians or maybe I should define my terms by saying Christian Zionists like this Hagee in the eyes of the Zionist Jews? What’s the word you people like to use on this blog? Useful Idiots, yes?!

    Wow, this is unbelievable. Shocking to a degree that is mind-boggling to me? But I and a number of others are working to try and change that.

    As for Hagee, if he ends up reading this one question? Would you move to a place where Christ said:

    “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.” Matt. 24:15-22

    I would think with words such as these the last place anyone wants to be is in Palestine. I feel sorry for Christians and their holy places, they need to realize they are in danger over there! To bad Hagee is getting spat at and mocked like the Orthodox and Catholic’s eh!

  5. Gerry
    Gerry says:

    There is a great scene in the Lord of the Rings. Gandalf shows up in the kingdom of Rohan and comes across a king who is under a spell by his nemesis and quickly casts his own to restore the mind and heart of the king. Replace that king with Hagee who is surely under a spell by Satan. We are in a spiritual war of our own with forces as per Ephesians 6.

    So Father in Heaven, please we pray and ask, beseech you to either open the eyes and mind of this man or remove him entirely from your pulpit because he is leading your people astray if not the entire country. I don’t know how someone can be a follower of you and your Son Christ Jesus and be so wrong in so many ways? Your presence and judgment needs coming. Long overdue are the words:

    For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17

    In Christ’s name we ask, implore you for your help in this time of deception and crisis!!!! They don’t even know or understand what your words teach about climate change so lost and deceived so many are. Please and thank you.

    • Italo Vernazza
      Italo Vernazza says:

      Let’s make it short and easy: Hagee is just basically the epitome of a “useful idiot”. Better stil: replace “idiot” by “cretin” *.
      Possibly a Sayan…

      Note: * And surely you know where this word derives from (although I’m still not sure as to who coined it).

  6. Gerry
    Gerry says:

    You know the word of God is supposed to be alive and active, sharper than any two edged sword, penetrating to the dividing of soul and spirit, joints and marrow, judging the thoughts and attitudes of the heart, as taught by St. Paul in Hebrews 4:12 emphasis mine!!!!

    Know why it isn’t? Anton Sawyer a South African housewife gives us the best answer:

    “when my people use the Word, the pure Word not all the infiltrations we’ve put into the Word. We’ve watered God’s Word down so that we don’t know what God has said and what man has said. We’ve made God’s Word virtually null and void. We’ve filled it philosophies. We’ve filled it with manmade ideas. Filled it with compromises. and God is going to strip it all away. etc etc…

    Charles Finney being a lawyer he knew how to use the Word of God. A great and important testimony about the WASP’s Dr. MacDonald addresses in his books!!!!!

    During the early part of my ministry especially, I used to get knocked back by other preachers because of the way that I preached.

    They used to complain that I let down the dignity of the pulpit, that I was a disgrace to the ministerial profession, that I talked like a lawyer at the bar, and that I talked to the people in a colloquial manner. They complained that I said “you” instead of preaching about sin and sinners
    and saying “they”. They also told me that I said “hell” with such emphasis that I often shocked people. They said I urged people to respond as if they might not have a moment to live, and sometimes they said that I condemned people.

    After I had preached for some time and God had poured out His blessing everywhere I went, I used to say to ministers that I did not dare to make the changes that they wanted. I said, “Show me the fruits of your ministry. If you can prove by your results that you have found a
    better way, then I will adopt your views.”

    They would often complain that I was guilty of repetition in my preaching. I would take the same thought and turn it over and over, and illustrate it in various ways. I told them that I felt it was necessary to do this, to make myself understood. Then they would say that the
    educated people in my congregation would lose interest. But the facts soon silenced them. They found that under my preaching, judges and lawyers and educated men were converted in their droves, but under their methods such a thing almost never occurred.

    I never bore any grudge towards other ministers for the rough way they often treated me. I knew they were only trying to help. One time a well-known temperance lecturer from Connecticut came down to hear me preach. He was indignant. He said I should stop preaching and
    go to Princeton immediately to learn theology.

    I don’t want to give the impression that I thought that my views or methods were perfect, for I had no such thought. I was aware that I was but a child, so to speak. I had not been to the higher schools of learning, so I never had any higher ambition than to go into new settlements and places where the Gospel was not being preached. I was often surprised, in the first year of my preaching, that educated people found my preaching so compelling. This was more than I had expected. In fact it was more than I had dared to hope.

    I am still totally convinced that to a large extent the schools are ruining the ministers. Preachers these days have wonderful facilities, and are vastly more learned, so far as theological, historical and Biblical learning is concerned, than perhaps any age in history. Yet with all
    their learning, they do not know how to use it. They are, to a great extent, like David in Saul’s armor.

    Ministers need one thing above all others, and that is singleness of eye. If they feel they have a reputation to protect, they will do little good.

    I could name ministers who are still alive today who were deeply ashamed of me when I first began to preach because I was so undignified, used such common language and spoke to the people with such directness.

    I was aware from the start that I would meet with opposition, and that there was a wide gulf between my views and the views of other ministers. I never really felt like one of them, or that they regarded me as truly belonging to their fraternity. I was bred a lawyer. I came
    straight from the law office into the pulpit, and talked to the people as I would have spoken to a jury.

    When a city is on fire, the fire captain does not read his men an essay or a fine piece of rhetoric. It is a matter of urgency, and he has to make every word count.

    This is the way it always is when men are urgent and serious. Their language is pointed, direct and simple. Their sentences are short and powerful. They appeal for direct action.

    Ministers usually avoid preaching directly to the people. They will preach to them about others, and the sins of others, but rarely will they ever say: “You are guilty of these sins, and the Lord requires this of you.” They often preach ‘about’ the Gospel instead of preaching the
    Gospel. They often preach ‘about’ sinners instead of preaching to them. They go to great lengths to avoid being personal. But I have always gone down a different line than this. I have often said, “Do not think that I am talking about anybody else. I am talking to you and you and you.”

    Ministers told me at first that people would never put up with this – that they would get up and leave, and never come back. But they were mistaken. A lot depends on the spirit in which it is said. If it is done in the spirit of love, with an honest desire for their very best, there are
    very few who will continue to resent it. At the time they may feel rebuked and upset, but deep down they know that they needed it, and it will ultimately do them good.

    People are not fools. They have little respect for a man who will go into the pulpit and preach smooth things. There is a part of them that despises it.

    I became aware that a large number of ministers east of Utica were writing letters about the revivals, and taking a hostile stand against them. But until I came to Auburn in 1826 I was not fully aware of the amount of opposition I was destined to meet from these ministers – who did not personally know me but were influenced by false reports. I learned that a secret network was developing with the aim of uniting the ministers and churches to hedge me in, and prevent the revivals from spreading.

    I was told that all the New England churches in particular were closed to me. I became quite upset by all of this. I didn’t say anything to anyone, but gave myself to prayer. I asked God to direct me and to give me the grace to ride out the storm.

    One day I was in my room and the Lord showed me a vision of what lay ahead. He drew so near to me while I was praying that I literally trembled. I shook from head to foot, under a full sense of the presence of God. It seemed more like being on the top of Sinai, with all the
    thunderings, than in the presence of the cross of Christ.

    Never in my life was I so awed and humbled before God. But instead of wanting to run away, I felt drawn nearer and nearer to this Presence that filled me with such awe and trembling. After a period of great brokenness before Him, there came a great lifting up. God assured me that He would be with me and hold me up – that no opposition would succeed against me. He showed me that there was nothing I should do, but to keep ministering and allow Him to vindicate my ministry.

    The sense of God’s presence, and all that passed between myself and God at that time, I can never describe. It led me to be perfectly trusting, perfectly calm, and to have nothing but the best attitude towards all the brothers who were misled and were aligning themselves against me. I felt sure that everything would turn out alright in the end – that the best course for me to take was to leave everything to God and just keep on going. As the storm gathered and the opposition increased, I never doubted for one moment how it would result. I was never disturbed by it. I never spent a waking hour thinking about it – even when it seemed as if all the churches in the land, except where I had ministered, would unite to shut me out of their pulpits. This was what the leaders of this opposition had vowed to do. They were so deceived that they thought they had no choice but to unite and, as they expressed it, “put him down.” But God assured me that they would
    never put me down.

    -[From the book, “Charles Finney – Most Powerful Revivals”]

  7. Gerry
    Gerry says:

    Ah, time for a song and if you listen to it pay attention to the words of the prayer of this guy. Actually, turn off the monitor and listen without watching and you’ll or should recognize the work of the Spirit of the Eternal God within a human heart. Somethings happening here folks! Something happening here!

    Amazing, simply amazing!

  8. De Doc
    De Doc says:

    I’m pretty much removed from Christianity these days for many reasons and Hagee certainly won’t be a reason to draw me back. The Jew worship that the modern Evangelical practices these days is nauseating.

  9. Harvey Taylor
    Harvey Taylor says:

    He is an evangelical fundamentalist fanatic in for the money. See how many jet a/c he owns, how many full time lawyers. He is an existential threat to the people of the US. HAT

  10. Dr. Earl John
    Dr. Earl John says:

    Someone called this character (Hagee) a grifter-I could not have said it better. An old fashion bible thumping buffoon loved by those who are set out to destroy us. So, Christians should feel compelled to aid Jews with money? Who, may I ask, controls the largest portion of money in the Western world?
    Eight thousand Jews want to go to Israel? They can replace the constantly diminishing population of Christians in that repressive country. Catholics, as an example, were once abundant but now fewer than one percent of the population, and subjected to stringent codes, discrimination, and other barriers designed to eliminate them. Think Talmud.
    Those same people wanting to leave, incidentally, are largely responsible for the enormous corruption found in the Ukraine.
    Sadly, some of my Christian friends, especially those who are born again or Evangelist, are under that spell which makes them believe that to serve the Jews is to serve the Lord. They could not be further from the truth. Christians advocate for the Jews, and the Jews try hard to hold back the laughter. “OMG, they think, “we get to dupe them, rape them, rob them, and get them to aid us in doing it.” No wonder we rule the world.
    I am so thankful for this site, the Occidental Observer, which I just discovered. Here is found intelligent discourse free of the low life comments which too often pervade the discussion of Christian-Jewish relations, as well as the patronizing or subservient language found elsewhere.
    Dr. Earl John, LtCol, USAF (ret)

  11. Edward Harris
    Edward Harris says:

    Hagee believes that today’s Jews are descended from the people who murdered Christ.
    My Jewish ancestors witnessed the creation of these GlaubenJuden in the Middle Ages.They are East Europeans and Turkic people of the Jewish faith. My ancestors always called them Eastern Jews and detested them,until my maternal great grandfather married one, to my family’s eternal shame. I assumed the Eastern Jews were Europeans but someone was kind enough to correct me in TOO.
    I have also read in TOO that over 90% of today’s Jews are Europeans of the Jewish Faith and are not descended from the Biblical Jews.

    • Kevin MacDonald
      Kevin MacDonald says:

      Not from me. I accept that there is genetic commonality among all the main Jewish groups indicating a Middle East origin based on population genetic data.

      • Edward Harris
        Edward Harris says:

        Prof. MacDonald, thank you for your reply and good fight you are fighting. I have some idea of what you have been through because I have always opposed immigration.
        If things change I will donate to TOO but at the moment I am helping a poor family.
        My family told me that every 7 years a senior Rabbi from every country meets, for a month, in Jerusalem, to discuss how to advance Jewish interests.
        As the Eastern Rabbis spread out, generation after generation, they converted the locals to Judaism. There was a lot of converting in Eastern Europe during the Middle Ages, more Jews meant more money for the Rabbis. My ancestors saw the changes.
        My family were prosperous and against Rabbi conversions.
        My family were Jewish until my maternal great grandfather married an Eastern fake Jewess which means that I and millions of others are not Jews because they are not descended from Jewish mothers.
        I detest Israel and Zionism and think the Americans and their British Colonials are stupid to support people who detest them.

  12. R.Wilkinson
    R.Wilkinson says:

    Truly hard to believe this transparently evil megalomaniac has the chutzpah to now push this venom on a US national audience ..but I guess that is just how his ‘backers’ have traditionally survived.

  13. NX-211
    NX-211 says:

    The coinage “Judeo Christian” dates from about 1880. It is a ploy to suggest that somehow Christianity and Judaism are the same. Before that the phrase does not appear and would have seemed freakish and nonsensical to Christians during the previous 18 centuries.. The Epistles of Paul , The Book of Acts, and the early history of The Church are a record of the Jews rejection of Christ and the persecution of Christians beginning with the killing of the first Christian martyr St. the Jews which St Paul witnessed personally. The Book of Acts is a litany of Pauls preaching to the Jews about Christ as a fufillment of their own scriptures which they emphatically reject. St Paul is flogged by Jews almost 200 times, stoned unconscious 3 times and beaten with rods for preaching Christ.. Hardly suggesting one big happy Judeo Christian family. By 50AD the Christians no longer see themselves as Jews and give up converting them. .. As for themselves the Jews are scattered by the Roman legions the Temple is torn down as Christ prophesied an Jews retrea tinto writing the Talmud.. a book of bewildering legalistic complexity written by the Jewish elite in which they circle around and around in a pointless nihilistic passion for legalistic hair splitting. As Christianity spreads to all who accept the Christian message.. the Jews isolate themselves in hatred of Christianity in ever smaller ever more paranoid and xenophobic enclaves . That has never stopped. Every generation the Jews find ever more ingenious ways to distance themselves from Christians.while using “Judeo Christianity” when phrase is useful. Today the relationship remains what it was for St. Paul. relentless subversion and psychological warfare against Christians enforced by Communist social engineering and ever more diabolical forms of technology. . Thats the reality of “Judeo Christian” and we are all living witnesses to it as are the pages of Occidental Observer/

  14. bruno
    bruno says:

    Yeah, it’s really despicable watching the ploys of Mr. Hagee. He basically indicates the hell with the majority. I disagree with KMac, a fellow I greatly admire. If one consumed the works of Prof. Koneczny or Prof. Sand (read his Invention of the J People) it can be seen that -overall- they are a psychological entity. Of course, with centuries of an “Us-Against-Them” religion and ideology there’s now a genetic factor for members of that group (nation). Amongst a slew of research on that subject is the excellent dissertation of Prof. Wexler. Whatever, the Z has a transnational network like no other.

    BTW, although I have forgotten the facts, there was a fellow who did DNA research affirming that Ukrainian DNA and that of the migrant Israeli Ukrainian Zyds was the same. He just about got his balls cut off and (thus) retracted his findings. I think there might even be mention of that in the book review section of Amazon, under Invention of the J People.

  15. Lucius Vanini
    Lucius Vanini says:

    What I said above in replying to Pierre de Craon—that there’s another view of the Jews in the Judeo-Christian scriptures, different from the unfavorable view toward which he and his co-cultists are tendentiously partial—is hardly hidden from view but is conveniently ignored. Look at this, from ROMANS 3: 1, 3:

    “What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? MUCH IN EVERY WAY! First of all, THE JEWS HAVE BEEN ENTRUSTED WITH THE VERY WORDS OF GOD.

    “What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify the faithfulness of God? Not at all!”

    Emphasis mine.

    The first part of the quotation reaffirms what every Judeo-Christian believes—to wit, that the nation of Israel has been the link between the Creator and themselves, the conduit through which all correct morality and the path to salvation have been apprehended. The second part says that, though Jews aren’t perfect, their having conveyed to us the Creator’s promises remains a fact; and to a more grateful mind, such as is perhaps more common among “Christian Zionists,” the inestimable value of the nation of Israel isn’t effaced….

    Add to this that ALL the founders of Judeo-Christianity were of that nation, INCLUDING even those who in other passages excoriated it, and it becomes clear that the view of idiots like Hagee is less unreasonable than that of the risibly anti-Jewish Judeo-Christians here.

    The only people free of either brand of tomfoolery are those, myself among them, who have NO reverence for Judaic religion, nor indeed for any Abrahamic creed. Notwithstanding what some regulars here might think (because I’m willing to think well of Jews like Mary Lefkowitz, Stephen Miller, Benjamin Freedman), my estimation of Jews is actually less favorable than theirs, inasmuch as I perceive that the Jewish legacy has mainly been one of incredible trouble and deceit—WITHOUT sharing the absurd, counterbalancing conviction that the nation of Israel has afforded infallible scriptures, infallible soothsayers, the Savior himself, Redemption itself!

    These de facto shills for the “unselfing” snake oil peddled by Jews of the era of the Great Revolt, when an already xenophobic people seethed with hatred of European occupiers, advocate a retrograde path to childish superstition which isn’t race-oriented, when there are incomparably more rational creeds which have been propounded by “White racialists” like Pierce and Klassen. Ya gotta hand it to Rabbi Saul! No small-time con-man, he.

    • John D. Alder
      John D. Alder says:

      Klassen and Pierce had it right ! James H. Madole(now deceased) also recognized the judeo christian poison.

    • Italo Vernazza
      Italo Vernazza says:

      I fully agree with you. Christians were primary meant to act as disposable Trojan Horses under the false pretense of a fake filiation.

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