Is Ukraine’s War Now America’s War?
By bragging publicly that we helped engineer the killing of Russian generals and the sinking of the cruiser Moskva, we taunt Russian President Vladimir Putin. We provoke him into retaliating in kind against us, thereby raising the possibility of a wider U.S.-Russia war that could escalate into World War III.
Last week, sources leaked to The New York Times that, in Ukraine’s targeting and killing of Russian generals and the sinking of Russia’s Black Sea flagship, the Moskva, U.S. intelligence played an indispensable role.
Apparently, our intel people identified and located for the Ukrainian forces what became the targets of their deadly attacks.
Why U.S. intelligence would do this seems inexplicable.
By claiming credit for Ukraine’s most visible military successes, we diminish the achievements of that country’s own forces.
By bragging publicly that we helped engineer the killing of Russian generals and the sinking of the cruiser Moskva, we taunt Russian President Vladimir Putin. We provoke him into retaliating in kind against us, thereby raising the possibility of a wider U.S.-Russia war that could escalate into World War III.
Moreover, U.S. boasting like this plays right into Putin’s narrative that Russia is facing and fighting in Ukraine a U.S.-led alliance that is out to crush Russia.
Indeed, why are we going beyond assistance to the Ukrainians in defending themselves, into making this American’s war?
When Speaker Nancy Pelosi arrived in Poland following her visit to Kyiv, she virtually embraced the idea of the Ukraine-Russia war as now being America’s war, declaring, “America stands with Ukraine. We stand with Ukraine until victory is won.”
Accompanying Pelosi to Kyiv was a delegation of House Democrats, one of whom, Rep. Jason Crow of Colorado, echoed Pelosi in Poland:
“The United States of America is in this to win.”
Their visit followed that of Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, who came out of Kyiv and declared the U.S. strategic goals in Ukraine’s war:
“We want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can’t do the kind of things it has done in invading Ukraine.”
These statements by U.S. leaders reinforce Putin’s line that Russia is besieged by a U.S.-led Western alliance that fears and detests Mother Russia and wishes to see her defeated and diminished.
Our enemies in the West who seek to destroy Russia are like those we fought in the Great Patriotic War of 1941–1945, Putin now claims. And intervention in Ukraine was necessary to prevent today’s neo-Nazis from dragging Ukraine into their larger conspiracy to destroy Russia.
Consider Putin’s words of a week ago:
“The forces that have always pursued a policy of containing Russia … do not want such a huge and independent country that is too big for their ideas. … They believe it endangers them simply by the fact of its existence, although this is far from reality. It is they who endanger the world.”
We are hated for who and what we are, says Putin. And our military operation is an act of legitimate self-defense against the same kind of “Nazi filth” we fought in the Great Patriotic War.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov describes the recent surge in heavy Western weapons shipments to Ukraine as “NATO … going to war with Russia through a proxy and arming that proxy.”
By cutting Republicans out of her delegation to Kyiv, Pelosi appears to want to make the war not only America’s war, but her party’s cause.
That seems to be a motive as well behind Biden’s consciously exceeding any Western leader in the language he uses on Putin, calling him a “killer,” a “murderous dictator,” a “pure thug,” a “butcher,” a “war criminal,” guilty of “genocide,” who “for God’s sake … cannot remain in power.”
Such language is designed to showcase Biden as the world’s leading anti-Putinist and the most morally outraged of all the world’s leaders at what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
But, again, like the public boasting of U.S. intel agents over our role in the sinking of the Moskva and killing of the Russian generals, the effect is to disqualify the U.S. president from any role in negotiating a truce or an end to this war.
How do we benefit from having no leader-to-leader communication with the Kremlin, which President John F. Kennedy retained in the Cuban missile crisis to end it?
NATO Europe, which is supporting the Ukrainian resistance, is not on board with the U.S. plans to cripple Russia permanently.
America needs to recognize that our objectives in this war are not the same as Ukraine’s.
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy would like to have the U.S. plunge in and fight alongside Kyiv, devastate and defeat the Russian army, and expel Russia not only from the regions invaded this year but also from Crimea, which Putin annexed in 2014 .
America’s vital interests in this war, however, are to prevent it from becoming a U.S.-Russia war or a third world war or a nuclear war.
The U.S. goal of imposing a crushing defeat of Russian aggression is secondary to our far more vital interest in avoiding a U.S.-Russia war.
America’s interests are best served by an early and negotiated peace. Such a goal rules out imposing humiliating terms on Russia, which cause Moscow and Putin to escalate militarily — to survive politically.
Putin should be downing US spy planes and attacking their NATO bases. Germany has about 250,000 soldiers including only about 70,000 in the combat arms. I don’t think the Russians are too scared. Let’s see how NATO does against a Russian invasion. The US is at war with Russia. OK, bring it on!
JOAO–
Do you know what you’re saying?! If you do, whose side can you possibly be on? That of insane elites who might have well-supplied shelters far from ICBM- and SLBM-targeting?
Good thing I was once a nuclear-disarmament activist, who talked of the effects of nuclear war in classrooms. My notion of nuclear holocaust—the REAL holocaust—is too learned to allow me to welcome WW3.
Further, the death and devastation of the war you envision would fall principally if not wholly on Europeans—Whites. For anyone partial to Whites and apprehensive of a reduction of their numbers and influence, such a consideration inspires horror at the mere thought of such a war.
” Further, the death and devastation of the war you envision would fall principally if not wholly on Europeans—Whites. ”
That is perhaps a major objective of the NWO ILLuminati worldwide de-population agenda .
How embarrassing to be an American at this juncture. Surely sock puppet Biden’s purpose is to humiliate straight White men generally. Many men with whom I’ve spoken recently have the same reaction to this taunting of President Putin over a situation that America’s occupation government virtually engineered.
“Liberal, intellectualist women’s movements contained many points… our National Socialist Women’s movement has in but one single point, and that point is the child, that tiny creature which must be born and grow strong, and which alone gives meaning to the whole life-struggle.” -From an address given by Adolf Hitler to a meeting of the National Socialist Women’s Organization, September 8, 1934, publishing which resulted in that “neworderorg.wordpress.com and nationalistwomen.wordpress.com are no longer available. This site has been archived or suspended for a violation of our Terms of Service.” Perhaps Dr. MacDonald can publish the photograph (or a current hot link to it) that accompanied that removed post which I will e-mail to him: it speaks volumes about the times from Roe v. Wade to such censorship.
Contrast that snapshot of Germany then with this photo of America now: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/05/labor-productivity-fell-7point5percent-in-the-first-quarter-the-fastest-rate-since-1947.html
Let me suggest using the GOOGLE SEARCH magnifying glass icon here to search this site for HOLODOMOR. It returns 25 or so items for perspective.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/page/4/?s=Holodomor
My father was an agricultural economist and did graduate work that including sitting under Galbraith at HARVARD. Mark Weber is another good source toward disabusing oneself on Hitler and fascism as other than buzzwords: https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/06/how-hitler-tackled-unemployment-and-revived-germanys-economy/
Whatever may be wrong with Elon Musk consider who hates him, what he’s accomplished, and what he says he’s going to accomplish. I’ll take him over Trump, SPACE-X and TESLA over casinos.
Give me culture and cooperation and TWITTER: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=great+gate+kiev+youtube.com&&view=detail&mid=52A7EAE88A7EA2BA90CC52A7EAE88A7EA2BA90CC&rvsmid=79F987ABE7A1CE05C46879F987ABE7A1CE05C468&FORM=VDQVAP
I second that. In full.
One might prefer to be faced with an obvious dickhead like Trump because he shoots from the ‘lip’ … where as the Musks, Zuckerbergs, Gates, Epsteins, etc. etc. are more deviously cagey. Perhaps this is the reason that Julian Assange needed to be caged on trumped-up charges … to stop him from exploring and releasing any [potentially] incriminating data about these freshly minted oligarchs.
The more you follow the ‘science’ the more it leads back to the MONEY.
Americans — Europeans: Their guts — Our blood. Sam never was our Uncle. “Uncle Joe” never was Roosevelt’ “Uncle” either… but FDR sure managed to get everybody to believe it. Trust the ‘Democrats’ to mess up the Planet.
Putin’s relative silence on Victory Day is ominous. He may be planning something (much) too-hot to give advance notice of.
Keep your head down. And while you’re at it, kiss your ass goodbye.
@JettRucker
Do You believe we would need to thank Joke Biden for such an occurrence or would that be over his pay grade and cognitive threshold ?
Just want to try to keep track of such potentially world destroying actions while we’re still able.
I have always wondered … how many countries does the USA need to be waging war against, for it to be considered to be a World War? Moreover, does anyone, i.e. ANYONE in the NATO or US Administrations actually understand what genuine international justice is supposed to mean?
How on earth did the USA transmogrify into the Evil Empire, so comparatively quickly??
There shouldn’t be anything surprising or “magical” about it than “cucumbers transmogrified into pickles”. International justice is an oxymoron. There is gentlemanly behavior and then there is war. You think Biden is a mess, consider him the warm-up Harris’ act. Imagine Pelosi or eighty-something Maxine Waters at the helm. They are simply not prepared for either war or statesmanship emotionally, genetically, temperamentally. “Men” these days don’t seem to me to have the character, for some reason. Maybe its Perfluoroalkyl and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances (PFAS).
I don’t know anything about Putin– how he was raised, but he was awarded the essentially honorary 6th Dan at the Kodokan. And I have observed that manliness generally has been on the way out in my lifetime and being replaced by the gamut from superciliousness to virtually transgendered behavior. My guess is that Putin grew up with a traditional father and mother in his home. But I’m not convinced that women of either gender are better equipped for this venue or even respectful corporate governance, much less a code of fair play presumed to apply in anything worth fighting a war for:
‘Kaori Yamaguchi, an Olympic judo medalist and former JOC board member who holds the Kodokan Judo seventh (7th) dan, said, “The teaching of Jigoro Kano sensei is, ‘Once you take on power, use it to do good for the world.”
‘In light of the teaching, “(Putin’s) use of power in this way is impermissible, a definite no-no,” she said. “Putin is not a judoka.”
‘Yamaguchi is also concerned that the situation can give the world a false impression of judo. She said the judo community needs to send the message that what Putin is doing goes against judo’s teaching.’
Perhaps these second-person accounts are what took place. National Vanguard is not on Dr. MacDonald’s blog role. https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/03/american-evil-an-interview-with-thomas-goodrich-part-2/
In the US, urban immigrants, including Jews, tended to be left wing. I dunno how accurate it is, but I see the so-called “Civil War” as somewhat between urban and rural WASPs.
Separately, something strange happened with getting the 14th passed. Al Benson Jr. writes that an English socialist influenced its passage; his article “Socialism and the 14th Amendment” is online. Benson also co-wrote a related book that sounds potent.
But then Coolidge rights the ship, fixes the US, founds a new US nation state really from the chaos of the old, my view.
The central bank was a source of problems, perhaps fractional reserve banking also. Yankee capitalism also separated the owner of capital from the worker, leading to an enticement to import cheap foreign workers, just as Southerners had imported foreign slaves. However, capitalism enabled even greater exploitation at times since there was no requirement to care for the injured, the old, the sick. Workers could just be replaced; US slavery was more like feudalism, not that I like or want feudalism or slavery, obviously.
The mass media, of course, was an enormous transformative force, as was Hollywood. Dr. MacDonald writes at length on such things. Another aspect is the US became soft, spoiled by our honest, safe, stable, prosperous, happy society. Another aspect is that classical liberalism is just unstable. I’ve read claims that Thomas Jefferson was significantly supportive of the French Revolution, not something we here tend to like. So, the US boomed, flowered, but wasn’t built to endure. We were too ideological, too revolutionary, with elements of radicalism on par with the French Revolution.
After WWII, the US economy was the last standing. It morphed into a global ideological empire, similar to how the Soviets were such an empire. Neocons, some former Trotskyites, pushed us in this direction. Also, in intervening in foreign societies, the US came to lose respect for honest US republican virtues. Finally, the US lost connection with its humble nationalism, came to see its ideology as superior and special, rather than loving its people, as a nationalist cares for his nation, “as a mother loves her child.”
Other major issues are the military industrial complex, the managerial state, and the revolving door between public and private sectors. Look each of those terms up if you dunno the concepts. And the Chamber of Commerce pushing for more immigrants reveals how it’s not only Jews behind the open borders. Liberalism / “capitalism” truly is revolutionary, cosmopolitan, and unstable.
I think we just need study guides on this stuff. No one, including myself, has time to read anything. The US is masterful at writing text books, tests, so forth. Why not have these for political science? Dr. MacDonald’s work on the big topic deserves a study guide, a general outline of major points, too, as does Solzhenitsyn’s work on the same topic in Russia.
Tucker Carlson makes a convincing case that USA/NATO is already at war with Russia…. We’re alarmingly close to WW3. Cf.”Is WW3 Nigh?!” https://theeuropeanfamily.com/f/is-ww3-nigh In the footnotes is the link to Carlson’s frightening monologue.