What race(s) are Ukrainians? — From tall timbers to the Pontic steppe
A recent talking point on the lips of several figures of the right (Steve Bannon, JD Vance, Tucker Carlson) is that the war in Ukraine is a fratricidal conflict between two Slavic peoples, and that the United States should play no part in it. Though I don’t know if such rhetoric is politically incorrect apathy or a progressive indictment of Western meddling, it’s not too far a stretch to still consider these neighbors Brothers in Arms. Their common trench is the Ukrainian landmass, as it has been for centuries, so to what extent these people are brothers ultimately depends on whether we’re talking poetry, politics or paleogenetics.
The early history of the Slavs is about as murky as the forests, swamps and marshes that the ancient writers ascribe to their abode. This homeland was situated at the intersection of modern Belarus, Poland and Western Ukraine, meaning that most of Ukraine and Russia were inhabited by other races. In spite of being a very populous nation for the time, they were remarkably homogeneous — being described by contemporary sources to the level of skin hue and eye color.
Byzantine historian Procopius, writing in the year 542, described them as “neither very fair or blond, nor do they incline entirely to the dark type, but they are all slightly ruddy in color.”i Six centuries later, Saxon chronicler Helmold described them in similar terms: “These men have blue eyes, ruddy faces, and long hair.”ii Even with regards to body shape they were rather uniform, being tall and strong according to Procopius’s account, while emperor Maurice was so enchanted by stories of the Slavs that he invited a delegation, and, upon being amazed by their “height and mighty stature” he sent them onward to other parts of the Empire. Such descriptions don’t quite correspond to modern Slavic incarnations like Volodymyr Zelensky or Vladimir Putin — rather it is the American president who’s a closer match, along with his son and First Lurch Barron Trump.
Some of the sources on early Slavs refer to a people known as the Venedi, considered by most modern scholars to be synonymous with the Slavs on account of similar characteristics and the lexical conservation (as an infix) within names such like Slovenia or the archaic Sklavonia. Indeed, the Germans have traditionally referred to neighboring Slavs as Wends, although the name may go all the way back to proto-Indo-Europeans. The ancient region of Veneto in Northern Italy, bordering Slovenia, spoke a language probably medial to Celtic and Italic. Its capital city, Venice, is pronounced in the local dialect almost exactly like the city of Vinnytsia in Western Ukraine. Between the ancient scribes Tacitus, Ptolemy and Pliny the Elder, the Venedi were being located at both the Adriatic Sea and the Baltic Sea (then called the Venedic Gulf) — thus it is possible that the Balts were the original Venedi, and that Latvian is ultimately cognate with Latin.
Concerning the general demeanor of the early Slavs, some tentative conclusions can be drawn. Their social structure was more individualist than collectivist. They practiced exogamy, much like other circumpolar-descended societies. They were neither sedentary nor fully nomadic, frequently changing their abode since they engaged in farming, beekeeping and craftsmanship, but also hunting and herding. They were so de-centralized that they were not governed by a ruler, but, as Procopius describes: “from ancient times [they] have lived in [militaristic] democracy, and consequently everything which involves their welfare, whether for good or for ill, is referred to the people.”iii This is consistent with modern Slavic languages, which lack endemic words beyond the rank of chief — titles like king, queen, prince, viceroy, earl or baron all have foreign etymologies.
Such natural egalitarian scruples and the complete lack of stratification seems to have been a natural adaptation to that part of Europe, so much so that the ancient Dorians of the Danubian Basin may have evolved in similar conditions before going on to invade Pelasgic Greece, founding the militaristic city-states of Sparta, Athens and Corinth, and eventually creating civil democracy. The author of the sixth century work Strategikon makes it clear that so long as the Slavs did not unite under a single ruler, they would not be a threat, adding: “the Sklaveni and Antes were both independent, absolutely refused to be enslaved or governed, least of all in their own land.”iv Succeeding history would not be favorable to Slavic proto-libertarian absolutism, since it is well known from whence Western languages derived their word for slave. The early Slavs would be turning in their grave if it wasn’t for the fact that they practiced cremation.
The early signs of Slavic hardheadedness, albeit within a high-trust environment, were documented in accounts of their primeval culture. Thieves were either strangled or exiled, while those guilty of fornication were executed with no grounds for appeal. According to the Strategikon: “Their women are more sensitive than any others in the world. When, for example, their husband dies, many look upon it as their own death and freely smother themselves, not wanting to continue their lives as widows.”v All in all, the Slavs were probably more pragmatic than the exaggerated stereotypes attributed to them by sixth-century Roman military manuals.
The fondness that the Slavs had for agrarian productivity, trade and isolationism (conflict avoidance) is likely what led to the expansion of the Slavic realm. This involved the integration of various peoples who were disillusioned by the collapse of the great political organizations on the fringes of the Roman Empire.vi Nevertheless, this instance of Slavicization involved people who were genetically if not linguistically similar, since for millennia Eastern Europe was overwhelmingly populated by highly related Indo-Europeans — foremostly Celts, Germanics and Scythians.
Even after Germanics came to dominate Scandinavia and Western Europe, groups like the Gepids, Getae and Ostrogoths held large swathes of territory in the East. The prime stretch of real estate between the Dniester and Don Rivers (modern Ukraine) was ensconced by the Goths for centuries, hence the semantic linkage to the Danish ethnonym. The connection of the Swedes to Kievan Rus and the Volga River Vikings is well known, but it’s worth revisiting a famous account by tenth-century Arab diplomat Ibn Fadlan of those Rus he encountered: “I have never seen more perfect physical specimens, tall as date palms, blond and ruddy…“vii Thus the Vikings seemed to be of the same genetic stock as the original Slavs, albeit with distinct cultural practices like extensive tattooing, liberal fornication and selling their own into slavery. There was evidently some bilateral cultural exchange, since the modern Swedish language has several words of Slavic origin, typically to do with goods: kvarg (cheese), lök (onion), räka (shrimp), torg (market), humle (hops); but also male names like Sven/Svante and the personal pronoun Jag. Some adjective suffixes in the Scandinavian languages are strikingly different from German, for example words like þýska, svenska, norsk, dansk… — standard Slavic grammar that is common not only in Slavic surnames but in cities like Donetsk, Lugansk and Petrovsk.
Regarding the other great racial contingent in Eastern Europe throughout antiquity, the Scythians, these were largely nomadic nations who spoke Iranic languages. The more prominent among them included the Sarmati, Alani, Roxolani, Budini and Massagetae — the latter of which seem to have been Goths by origin (Getae). In spite of modern analogues, Iranic speakers north of the Caucuses did not share the sort of phenotype of an ayatollah or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad; rather they were similar if not fairer than the Slavs.
Herodotus described the Budini as being “mightily blue-eyed and ruddy” with long manes of “bright red hair.”viii Ammianus Marcellinus wrote of the Alani that nearly all were “of great stature and beauty, their hair generally blond.”ix Bishop Gregory of Nyssa described the Scythians as fair-skinned and blond-haired, while Greek physician Galen attributed reddish hair to Sarmatians, Illyrians and most northern peoples. According to Herodotus, even the Iranic speakers south of the Caucasus, namely the Persians of the fifth century BC, were hardly distinguishable from Greeks in phenotype.x This was to change, though they did preserve their languages whereas their kin north of the Caucasus were almost entirely assimilated — Slavic identity being the greatest contributor. Very few words of this extinct language are known, although one key word that was discovered in an old Hungarian document was don/dan, meaning water, hence the origin of Ukraine’s river names, and, indirectly, the Danes.
So while the Slavs focused on farming and mercantile activities, the Scythians were either too warlike for their own good, or were simply outcompeted as stubborn nomads in a changing landscape. There was only so many times that they could circle the wagons to survive rather than prosper. Similarly, the Germanic presence in Eastern Europe waned on account of too much warfare, often with each other, or through emigration and assimilation with those more numerous (Slavs) or war-hardened (Asiatics).
On the question of what happened to the distinctive ruddiness of the Slavs, and to a lesser extent the Scandinavians, a Polish academic has argued that the uniform phenotype of the Slavs began to change in the thirteenth century, due to “ongoing micro evolutionary processes, migration, epidemics, wars and widespread colonization.”xi It is significant that the Roman and Arab sources originally insisted on the word ruddy, instead of tawny or olive, which they would have been familiar with in the Mediterranean region. Authentic ruddiness lives on in only a small minority of whites, e.g. folks like Tucker Carlson, whose Swedish ancestors would not have been permitted to migrate to the United States if Benjamin Franklin had his way. As for the Slavs, finally developing social stratification and a nobility led to the same evolutionary pressures as with all status-based cultures. But in addition to sexual selection for pallidness operating in one direction, Slavs experience admixture with swarthy phenotypes operating in the other.
Perhaps the first authentically oriental nation to bypass the unformidable Ural Mountains that guarded Europe were the Huns. They were either Turkic, Mongolic or Tungusic, as can be deduced from Roman historian Jordanes’s depiction of an ancient tale of White flight: “Like a whirlwind of nations they swept across the great swamp and at once fell upon [those] who bordered on that part of Skithia [Scythia]… They made their foes flee in horror because their swarthy aspect was fearful, and they had, if I may call it so, a sort of shapeless lump, not a head, with pin-holes rather than eyes.”xii
In the space of a couple generations, the Huns amassed huge tracts of territory and many subject nations, culminating in the empire of Attila. The Scourge of God, as he was dubbed, accrued about 70 wives, including the Gothic beauty Ildico, who would fatefully be his last. Since the Slavs in this time were still reposed in their arboreal and estuary retreats, they largely escaped Hunnic depredation; however, they would eventually absorb the descendants of those who were. The Huns were defeated and disappeared from maps in the fifth century, however some fled back to the Pontic steppe (Ukraine) and rebranded or joined forces with other Asian arrivals like the Avars, Bolgars, Hunuguri and Sabiri.
The Avars never had an iconic leader like Attila, however in some respects their impact was more enduring. From their base on the Great Hungarian plain, they incrementally conquered all those in their periphery, leveraging their military advantage against those perhaps more interested in peaceful agrarianism. They pitted various kings and tribes against each other, backing the right factions and acquiring the right subjects at the right time. It was during the Avar period that the role of some Slavs began to change, whether consensual or not remains disputed. The chronicler Fredegar recalled that under Avar suzerainty the Slavs did the bulk of the fighting for little reward, paid tributes, and suffered much mistreatment, including sexual exploitation of Slavic women for whom even the mixed progeny came to hate, leading to a rebellion.xiii On the other hand, archeological evidence from the seventh century points to a mixed Slavic-Avar material culture, suggesting a peaceful and harmonious relationship between the Avar aristocracy and Slavic peasants, with potential upward mobility for Slavs.xiv The Byzantines certainly didn’t view the Slavs as helpless subordinates, as John of Ephesus writes:
…the invasion of an accursed people, called Sklavonians, who overran the whole of Greece … and all Thrace … devastated and burnt … reduced the people to slavery … and settled in it by main force … and even to this day, being the year 895 [584 AD] … live in peace in the Roman territories, free from anxiety and fear … and they have grown rich in gold and silver, and herds of horses … and have learnt to fight better than the Romans, though at first they were but rude savages, who did not venture to shew themselves outside the woods and the coverts of the trees; and as for arms, they did not even know what they were, with the exception of two or three javelins or darts.”
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John of Ephesus, Ecclesiastical History, Part III, Book 6
Thus, under the tutelage of the Avars, the Slavs became conquerors on a large scale, with some contemporary accounts even omitting mention of the Avars by name. At any rate, the large populations of the Slavs must at some point correspond to culpability in conquering. By 602 AD the Romans had essentially given up; the Danube Frontier becoming an open border and likely leading to more Slavs settling territories from the Adriatic Sea to the Black Sea — giving birth to the South Slavic polities. In the next few hundred years the Avars would eventually be assimilated by the Hungarians,xv Croatsxvi and Franksxvii (Austrians and Slovenes).
By the tenth century, it was known to Slavs and distant foreigners alike that the Slavs were no longer a homogeneous race. Arab traveler Masudi wrote that “…the Walitaba [Volhynians] are the original, pure-blooded Slavs, the most highly honored and take precedence over all the other branches of the race.”xviii Volhynia is a region in northwest Ukraine that corresponds to the hypothesized Slavic homeland. However, even this Slavic heartland was soon to be pressed upon by an effective backlog of Altaic nations piling up on the Pontic-Caspian steppe. These include the Khazars, whose empire covered most of Ukraine and lasted four centuries, the Magyars, the Pechenegs, and the Cumans, whose empire stretched from Serbia to the Urals. However, after weathering almost a millennium of Turks and company blowing in from the East, the worst was still to come in the form of the Mongols.
The Mongols were the ultimate masters of cavalry, archery, psychological warfare, and leveraging their numbers. They had already massacred countless Indo-Europeans in Central Asia, endemic to that region as they were. The city of Herat was considered by Rumi to be the Pearl of the Khorasan, but to the Mongols it was merely a city deserving punishment for having resisted Mongol rule and so all 2.4 million residents were beheaded, according to one contemporary testimony. Similar fates befell Merv and Neyshabur. Upon reaching Europe in the thirteenth century, they had many Altaic nations under their yoke, and so the continent would be introduced to the Tatars, Uyghurs, Manchurians and others. Both Kiev and Moscow fell, thus the flaxen-haired remnants of the Scythians and Goths were conquered by the Golden Horde. Slavs bore the brunt of the Mongol onslaught.
A famous remark attributed to Hulagu Khan (the grandson of Genghis Khan) was the promise that Mongol horses would wash their hooves in the “final sea” — likely referring to the Atlantic.xix They may well have delivered on that prophecy had the petty formality of Ogedei Khan’s death not required them to return home and elect a new leader. Ironically, it would be the Slavs who would go on to achieve Hulagu’s prophecy in reverse, as the Russian Empire eventually reached the frozen shores of the Bering and yonder. This historical parable reminds me somewhat of a joke that cropped up three years ago in response to the special military operation, in which Russia’s tourism board launched the new slogan: Come visit Russia before Russia visits you.
The Eurasian landmass — gifted in size as it is and blandished further by the Mercator projection — has kept certain secrets regarding the nature of migrations and conquests. The vast Eurasian steppe linking Pannonia and Manchuria became a de facto highway for roving horsemen, with free fuel available most of the year. Why exactly this Route 66 of raping and pillaging was only traversed in one direction is a matter largely ignored by anthropologists. Retired Oxford archeologist Barry Cunliffe implicates a transcontinental weather gradient as being the cajoling entropy. More perplexing still is the fact that the first people to domesticate the horse were the Indo-Europeans north of the Caucuses, roughly 4,200 years ago. At least from this perspective, Eurasia enjoyed a grace period of a couple millennia before large hordes began wreaking havoc over long distances. Whites may have been ahead of the curve, but they were ultimately outdone by the slope.
This essay has focused on the history and ethnography of Eastern Europe from antiquity to the Middle Ages in order to provide a solid framework for exploring contemporary Slavic identity. For those addled by excessive names, dates and territories mentioned, I would recommend the new online 3D map resource timemap.org, which efficiently conveys the richness and dynamism of the Old World in particular. The added third dimension is time, and seamless scrolling is possible in different modes. It was thanks to this resource that I noticed that the current frontline in Ukraine almost perfectly matches the borders of several khaganates over a period of six non-consecutive centuries. In my next piece, I intend to reprise my role not only as border sentinel but as a neutral observer of Russo-Ukrainian affairs and human geography from a modern perspective.
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Ukrainians and Russians are white enough for me. In any case their war is undesirable and Putin could stop it tomorrow and still retain the Russian areas south-east of the Dnieper.
Kinda remarkable how little the Mongolian activities in Europe are remembered, how few films have been made, epics composed, books written. Only a few plaques and memorials for the cathedrals they destroyed across Poland and Hungary.
Most interesting post by Tom Zaja. I view this conflict as fratricidal and unnecessary. However, the suggestion by poster Emma Smith that “…Putin could stop it tomorrow…” suggests that this war was entirely Putin’s fault. With the further implication that Russia was unprovoked in attacking “innocent” so-called “Ukraine”. As a recent commentary by David Stockman (posted in one of Doug Casey’s promotions) correctly summarizes and documents, “Ukraine” is indeed a FAKE country. An entity actually created by the Soviets. I have geography books from the late 1890’s that show no entity known as “Ukraine”. Indeed, in my 1911 edition of the ENCYCLOPAEDIA BRITANNICA, “Ukraine” doesn’t even rate its own listing under “U”. (Uganda, now a third-world cesspool, rates a very extensive discussion.) “Ukraine” appears in the set’s “Index” as a footnote: “…a district of Russia…” I suggest readers unclear about what really is going on obtain a copy of “PROVOKED”, by Scott Horton. As advertised on P. 9 of the current March/April, 2025 issue of THE BARNES REVIEW. Also, Zelensky is a Jew. Not “Ukrainian”. Finally, contrary to main stream media propaganda, “Ukraine” has lost over a million people versus perhaps 100,000 Russians. This according to various guests on alternative media sites such as “Dialogue Works”, “Judging Freedom”, and many others. Thank you.
I don’t think Putin was entirely to blame for the Ukraine situation, but if he ceased fire without quibbling the bloodshed would wind down. Russia is entitled to hang on to the Donbas and Crimea given their Russian history, though Putin is admittedly an expansionist. Negotiations must be handled by well-informed diplomats with more education, intelligence and stability than Trump, who is as useless as Roosevelt with Stalin, though for different reasons. As for western Europe we don’t want or need a futile land-war against Russia. What the UK and its neighbours do need is an ABM system to protect them from long-range nuclear missiles from any hostile power.
Very interesting article, but there were some things I have to nitpick:
>Between the ancient scribes Tacitus, Ptolemy and Pliny the Elder, the Venedi were being located at both the Adriatic Sea and the Baltic Sea (then called the Venedic Gulf) — thus it is possible that the Balts were the original Venedi, and that Latvian is ultimately cognate with Latin.
The Adriatic and Vistula Veneti people being etymologically related is quite possible, and as you’ve mentioned, it’s possible that the root word has proto-Indo European origins. However, since they are clearly quite distinct people (one being related to Celts and Italians, the other possibly proto-Slavs), that’s as far as the connection goes. The Venice/Vinnytsia similarity is purely a coincidence, as the former derives from the name of the Veneti people and the latter descends from the root vino (grapes). The Latvian/Latin connection is similarly far-stretched, with Latvia most likely deriving from a river name, itself deriving from PIE -lat, -lot (to flow) and Latin/Latium having unknown origins, possibly non-Indo European (eg, Etruscan) or from an Indo-European language’s description of the topography (wide or side).
>so much so that the ancient Dorians of the Danubian Basin may have evolved in similar conditions before going on to invade Pelasgic Greece, founding the militaristic city-states of Sparta, Athens and Corinth, and eventually creating civil democracy.
Just a nitpick, but the Dorians are not traditionally credited with the founding of Athens, but of Argos. The Athenians self-identified as descending from Ionians, a separate Hellenic tribe. Athens had the strongest association with democracy, but wouldn’t contribute to your hypothesis about Dorians specifically. It is true that the Indo-European component of ancient Greeks came through the Balkans from the Black Sea, though Indo-Europeans as a whole tend to be relatively egalitarian. Tribal organization, a semi-nomadic lifestyle and frequent low-intensity warfare tends to disfavor concentrating power in a single individual. Greek topography was also very rugged and favors political division, and that also likely contributed to the relative flourishing of democracy in that part of the world.
>The prime stretch of real estate between the Dniester and Don Rivers (modern Ukraine) was ensconced by the Goths for centuries, hence the semantic linkage to the Danish ethnonym
As you mention later, the names of the rivers come into Slavic from the Scythians, ultimately from a PIE word (déh₂nu) meaning river. This itself comes from dʰenh₂, meaning to flow. It’s not clear if this is the origin of the Danish ethnonym, because it’s also possible (and IMO, more likely) that they get their name from Proto-Germanic danją, meaning flat, referring to the country’s famous flat terrain.
The Goths are not a necessary explanatory factor for this, as linguistic coincidences are very common in history. For example, in the ancient Caucasus there were lands referred to as Iberia and Albania, whose people have no connection to Hispanic Iberians, modern-day Albanians or Scots (Alba). The Seljuks and the Seleucids sound similar and controlled the same territory yet their names have nothing to do with each other. The Irish term for foreigner Gall (as in Gallowglass) ultimately comes from ancient Gaul, their term for themselves, Gael, comes from a proto-Brythonic exonym guɨðel, meaning savage or woodsman, and the French word Gaulle comes from proto-Germanic walhaz, meaning foreigner (itself deriving from the Celtic Volcae tribe). Thus Gall, Gael and Gaulle, three words used at some point to denote foreigner, have entirely different origins in three separate languages.
Languages are replete with false cognates, and given how fast languages change, if your timeline is broad enough you can very easily find two groups of people who sound similar without there being any real connection. It is especially likely to happen when the words are short, as in another example from your otherwise excellent article:
>The more prominent among [the Iranics] included the Sarmati, Alani, Roxolani, Budini and Massagetae — the latter of which seem to have been Goths by origin (Getae)
Here the word Getae is used as the link three people. Massagetae comes into Greek and Latin directly from Iranian Masyaka-tā, ta just being a suffix and masi̯a meaning fish, hence the tribal name meaning fishermen, or people concerned with fish. Goth comes from proto-Germanic gutô, possibly from PIE geutaną (“to pour”), and is again separate from the Dacian Getae.
Think about how easy it is for a people’s name to include a g sound followed by a t sound. Even the historian Jordanes confused the Dacian Getae with the Germanic Goths because of their similar-sounding names. There were cultural ties between Iranian peoples and Goths around the Black Sea, but it’s sloppy history to make these one-to-one connections without actually studying the etymologies of the names. The Massagetae historically lived far to the East, almost in China’s Xinjiang province, and had their name well before migrating West and submerging into other Iranian identities. When people are actually related and they start off with the same name, it’s usually not a perfect match like Getae and Massagetae. They tend to be more like Scythia and Sogdia, where s-g/c-d/th is the common root. Time and separation tend to produce mutation.
>Some adjective suffixes in the Scandinavian languages are strikingly different from German, for example words like þýska, svenska, norsk, dansk… — standard Slavic grammar that is common not only in Slavic surnames but in cities like Donetsk, Lugansk and Petrovsk.
The -sk suffix in modern Scandinavian languages descends from Old Norse -skr, from Proto-Germanic -iskaz, and PIE -iskos. The Slavic suffix(es) also derives from this root word (PIE -> Proto-Balto-Slavic -iškas -> Proto-Slavic -ьskъ), giving us -sk, -isk, and -isky. The actual Slavic direct equivalents of the -sk in the examples you gave (Dansk, Norsk…) would be -sky or -skiy (datskiy, norvezhskiy), which is similar but not the same. The fact that the most similar sounding endings in these different languages are not used for the same purposes is actually an important detail in linguistics because it shows that there are separate evolutionary paths.
The Scandinavian endings are also not particularly different from other Germanic languages. All that happened in most Germanic languages (including English) is that the -sk turned into -sh. But modern Frisian still retains -sk. Surely in the case of Frisian, it’s obvious that this is just a coincidence. Icelandic is more conservative than the other Norse languages and their suffix is still -iskur. Ultimately, there’s not much to tie the Scandinavians and Slavs closer together in terms of common descent than there are for connections to their other Indo-European neighbors, at least linguistically.
I know that was a long comment but I wanted to add that most of these criticisms are minor and are not that important for delineating who the Ukrainians and Russians, or even Slavs in general, are, since most of the relevant history regarding ethnogenesis and revanchism comes after the Classical Period where most of my discussion took place.
Plumbing through the murky records of a people’s ethnogenesis is necessarily difficult and requires familiarity with multiple skillsets. Linguistics just happens to be a hobby of mine so I hope you can appreciate the pitfalls of using it for archeological purposes. I look forward to your outlines of medieval and modern Ukrainian history. I think Khazaria is an important subject with relevant lessons for us even today, but one that is riddled with bad pop history in right-wing discussion, and hasn’t gotten the proper historical analysis it deserves.
Baxter N, your comments are appreciated. Not being trained in linguistics or history means that I always try to word my hypotheses very tentatively. On the other hand I try not to be too mealy-mouthed for the purposes of a short essay in which a lot of my points are passing observations rather than part of the main thesis.
My perspective on the Venetic name is that it is so old that it goes back to proto-Indo-Europeans, which means that such contrasts like Celtic vs Balto-Slavonic are somewhat anachronistic. Saying that Venice derives its name from the Veneti people is a bit redundant from the macro perspective I think, while your contention that Vinnytsia is related to vino (wine) does not seem logical to me on account of its harsh winters. Moldova is known for its vineyards, but they started in the 15th century and it is warmer there. Wikipedia says Vinnytsia’s name is assumed to be derived from the Proto-Slavic word “*věno”, meaning “a bride price.” One thing I was going to mention, but thought overkill for the purposes of this article, is that there is a Galicia region in Western Ukraine as well as Romance-speaking Iberia. You can probably tell that I am no fan of the Centum vs Satem dichotomy as I think P.I.E. dispersed more radially and perhaps more recently than conventional thinking suggests.
Certainly Athens was already there when the Dorians invaded, the wording was not accurate, but my main contention is that the Dorians are the reason why Athenian democracy arose. The Dorians invaded around 1100 BC and democracy arose around 500 BC. For similar reasons I think the English made London what it is, rather than the Romans (cf. Londinium). The ensuing era of Ionic vs Doric identity seems like an exaptation of original nomenclature. Were the original Ionians speaking something like Etruscan, and, if so, when did that disappear? Helenic identity is very much Indo-European, possibly involving more than just the Dorians. It would be too redundant to say that the Helenes were simply named after the mythical figure Hellen. A fact I thought superfluous for this article was that the Res Gestae refers to the Alans as “Halani”. Maybe not all of these coincidences are false cognates.
Regarding the -sk phoneme common to Slavic and Scandinavian I did not suggest that this was phylogenetic descent, but maybe perhaps that mere proximity and interaction brought the two languages together in this regard. Why did they drop the last syllable of -iskur to just -isk? You made the point for me regarding proper Slavic being -ski and -skaya… and so why do we see Donetsk, Minsk, etc? I argue Viking interaction with East Slavs, but not West and South Slavs where it is not present. My hypothetical on the Danish ethnonym was probably too generously worded, it is something I remember hearing/reading about from linguists, but it is speculative to say the least. Having said that, I don’t think Denmark is that much flatter compared to Southern Sweden or Northern Germany. With its main peninsula being only 100km coast-to-coast and having a bunch of islands, I’d favor a hydronym.
Looks like a pre-slaughter of whites preceding mass immigration to me. Ukraine is very much controlled by jews as is Russia. Of course Ukrainian jews are exempted from the draft. That should tell you everything you need to know right there.
https://tvpworld.com/85002539/ukraine-needs-8-million-migrants-to-avoid-demographic-catastrophe-employment-rep-warns
Ukraine will need to import over 8 million migrants from developing countries to overcome a looming “demographic crisis,” a leading employment sector specialist has said.
Vasily Voskoboinik, president of the All-Ukrainian Association of Companies for International Employment, told the country’s state television on Saturday there was an urgent need for labor migration from countries such as Bangladesh, Nepal, India, North Africa and Central Asia.