Finnish nationalist Tuukka Kuru Interviews F. Roger Devlin

1. Greetings, Roger! How are you doing?

My life has never been better, and there are signs of hope in my country as well after the horrible interlude of the Biden presidency.

2. You have been involved in White nationalist activities for years, yet you are best known for your statements on gender and sexuality. Are these two issues connected, or do you treat them as separate matters?

Each race must reproduce itself each generation, and the European race is conspicuously failing to do so. In Italy and Spain, the total fertility rate is now 1.3 children per woman and the figures are well below replacement level throughout the West. The fertility crisis is every bit as important a threat to our people as mass immigration and multiculturalism.

3. Over the past 20 years, the worldviews of young men and young women have diverged significantly in all industrialized countries—young women show greater interest in leftist ideologies, while young men express tribalistic and socially conservative opinions, unlike previous generations. What do you think has caused this divergence, and can it be attributed solely to social media?

Young women are impressionable conformists. They anxiously seek the approval of their peers and authority figures. In his novel 1984, George Orwell remarks that young women were the most enthusiastic supporters of official doctrine and nosers out of heresy. Those women who do support nationalism—and I know we are fortunate to have some wonderful women in our ranks—have most often been brought up well by their fathers or influenced by positive authority figures. Men are the fighters of the human species, both literally and figuratively, and our sex must fight and win the battle for our people. Most women will come over to our side once we start winning.

4. Do you believe that monogamous and nuclear-family-oriented sexual behavior is inherently valuable and worth protecting, or is it merely a meme that succeeded in earlier cultural evolution but has become unnecessary given today’s standard of living?

Monogamy gives children a secure and reliable environment in which to grow up. It is, therefore, absolutely necessary for maintaining a high-trust society of the sort traditional in Europe, especially Northern Europe. And our high standard of living will not long survive the destruction of the monogamous family.

5. Over recent decades, many Western countries have transformed from ethnically homogeneous nation-states into multiracial “rainbow” societies. Multicultural ideals do not emerge in a vacuum but are the result of a longer cultural shift, where conservative institutions in Western societies have been replaced by egalitarian and revolutionary ideologies. How is it possible that this same development has occurred almost identically across all Western countries, using the exact same terms, narratives, and arguments?

When America sneezes, Europe catches a cold. My country’s influence on the rest of the world since the Second World War has been enormous but not always favorable, and I say this as someone who considers himself a patriot. Ease of communication has also contributed to growing cultural homogeneity across the West. We should cherish and protect our differences.

6. European nationalists typically have a clear vision of what their country should be, as many were born in nation-states with minimal minority populations, and their native language and religion enjoyed complete societal dominance. In contrast, American White nationalists have widely differing opinions—some advocate for segregating Whites and people of color into separate states, others support deporting all non-Whites, and some propose dismantling the United States and replacing it with completely different system. What is your own opinion on America, and what role should it play in the world?

The goal of White American nationalists should be a White ethnostate on North American soil where we enjoy self-determination, unapologetically give preference to our own people, and pursue our long-term best interests. I believe this is how White Americans can best benefit the rest of the world as well.

7. According to current estimates, in 15 to 20 years, Whites will be a minority population in the US. As the U.S. population becomes more diverse, the role of Race as a backbone of personal identity has only become more pronounced. Is it possible to create a functional national identity for a racially, linguistically, and religiously mixed population, and was a colorblind society ever anything more than a liberal illusion?

There will never be a colorblind society anywhere in the world. Race and kinship are the most important social cement, although language and religion are certainly important. But Brazil is an instructive example of a racially diverse country that has tried to maintain unity through the Portuguese language and (especially in the past) the Catholic religion. The results have not been altogether encouraging: it is a low-trust society riven by class conflicts that have a clear racial aspect. You are much more fortunate in Finland.

8. The relationship between American White nationalists and the Trump administration is surely quite conflicted. What is your opinion of President Trump—does he do more harm or good for the nationalist movement, and does his administration advance the interests of the White population in any way?

It is frequently forgotten, even in the United States, that Donald Trump first ran for the presidency in 2000 as a kind of progressive. His commitment to reducing immigration is extremely weak, and he often shifts back and forth. As a lifelong businessman, he is susceptible to the argument that “we need immigration for the economy,” which really means that business interests would benefit from immigration by being able to pay lower wages. His thinking appears confused in other areas as well: for example, he says he wants to protect freedom of speech on university campuses while also eliminating anti-Semitism. Well, do students have a right to criticizes Israeli actions in Gaza or not?

So far, however, his second administration appears to be a clear improvement over the first. He has shown himself capable of learning, especially from his enemies.

9. Should we see the fertility crisis strictly as a Western phenomenon, or will it affect all developed countries in the end? Can diminishing populations be something positive?

There has been a serious drop in fertility in the Far East as well. When I was young, commentary on Japan often pointed to overpopulation and crowding as big problems in an island nation with no room to expand. No sooner did the birth rate go down that some writers began panicking that the Japanese nation was going to die out. But it should be obvious that a nation cannot be always growing and never shrinking. Worst of all, some people started proposing that the Japanese allow large-scale immigration to solve the alleged problem of declining numbers. I do not believe the Japanese are going to die out, at least if they do not listen to the people telling them to import a foreign population. The same goes for South Korea, where the birth rate has sunk below 0.7 children per woman, meaning a population decline of two-thirds every generation. When I hear this admittedly shocking figure, I am reminded of “Stein’s Law,” formulated by the American economist Herbert Stein: “If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.” The truly deadly danger is what we see in the West: the combination of low birth rates with mass immigration.

10. Current fertility rates in all Western countries are too low to sustain the existing population. Nowadays Nigeria alone produces more children than all of Europe combined. Economic incentives have not raised fertility rates to a level that would allow organic population growth in any Western country, suggesting that other measures are needed to address this issue. Do you propose any solutions?

Yes, I do have solutions to propose, and they will be the subject of my talk at the Awakening Conference. For now, I will just say this: changing economic incentives is crucial, but small cosmetic changes such as tax cuts for large families are absurdly inadequate. We need a thorough restoration of the economic basis of family life, and this will involve a decisive break with the ideals of feminism and “equality between the sexes” which even many nationalists have internalized.