Gilad Atzmon on Athens vs Jerusalem

Gilad Atzmon — jazz musician and “ex-Jew” — makes great posts on his Facebook page. Here’s a recent one:

Athens, Jerusalem and the Genocide
The best way to grasp the dichotomy between Athens and Jerusalem is to understand that Jerusalem has replaced ethics with litigation. Jerusalem is the institutional lack of ethics. It mimics ethics deploying a set of Mitzvoth.
In Jerusalem a genocide is kosher as long as you get away with it. How do they get away with it? They will do whatever it takes. They will dismantle the ICC ability to operate, they will threaten the prosecutors, if needed, they will wipe out The Hague together with the UN.
Athenians fail to grasp Jerusalem until it is too late because Athenians project their own ethics. Humans find it very hard or even impossible to imagine an operation out of the ethical ‘box’. Even the worst criminal tend to sense guilt and empathy.
These two (guilt and empathy), are the exact elementary human features that we don’t find in Jerusalem.
Since the lack of empathy and guilt is widely considered a core and defining feature of psychopathy, we may have to reach the conclusion that we are dealing with a collective psychopathy.
I wish I was original here. Jesus realised it 2000 years ago. The Hebrew Prophets also saw it. The Jewish State is in big trouble right now because the whole of humanity is experiencing this epiphany right now…
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    • Kevin MacDonald
      Kevin MacDonald says:

      From Atzmon’s Wikipedia page: Atzmon has defined himself variously as “not a Jew anymore. I indeed despise the Jew in me (whatever is left)”,[40] a “proud self-hating Jew” (saying, “I celebrate my hatred towards everything I represent”) in the style of Otto Weininger,[41] “a Jew who hates Judaism”,[42][43] and as “a Hebrew-speaking Palestinian”.[44]

      He has said: “I don’t write about politics, I write about ethics. I write about Identity. I write a lot about the Jewish Question – because I was born in the Jew-land, and my whole process in maturing into an adult was involved with the realisation that my people are living on stolen land”.[3] Atzmon has compared “the Jewish Ideology” to that of the Nazis and has described Israel’s policy toward the Palestinians as genocide.[45] He has condemned “Jewishness” as “very much a supremacist, racist tendency”, but has also stated that “I don’t have anything against Jews in particular and you won’t find that in my writings”.[44] Regarding the one-state solution, Atzmon concedes that such a state probably would be controlled by Islam, but says, “That’s their business”.[5]
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Atzmon#Views

      • Nicholas Seaman
        Nicholas Seaman says:

        Hitler was quoted as saying that Weininger was the only good Jew and he committed suicide, i.e. the only good Jews are not self-haters but dead ones? I got that from a pamphlet issued by the late William Pierce. Is that correct?
        Atzmon has nothing “against Jews in particular”. What do Dr Doom, Alex, Frank and those of similar outlook think of that? A rodent disguised as a rabbit?

      • Joe Webb
        Joe Webb says:

        “I don’t have anything against Jews in particular” is pretty funny given his general condemnation of all things Jewish. Well, the human mind twists and turns to avoid too much truth, so the rest of us can thank him for the old college try and get on hating Jews by ourselves.

        Also his claim that he writes about ethics , not politics is kind of funny. I suppose one can avoid politics and personalize about ethics…what I do in a given situation. Ok fine.

        But, ethics most emphatically is first found in political realities, not personal situations. One can screw things up personally, but always can apologize, etc. In politics there is no time to apologize except in rare cases of indemnification?/reparations, etc. Avoiding politics suits the weaseling out of embarrassing reality, etc.
        OK, Gilad, we let you grandstand a bit. Thanks for something. Human, all too human, assuming of course that Jews are human.

        • Wizard of Zog
          Wizard of Zog says:

          Another self-proclaimed “ex-Jew” is Professor Shlomo Sand. He exaggerates the Khazar input into the Ashkenazim, but broadly disconnects allegedly uncontaminated bloodline of today’s Israelis with the Biblical predecessors.
          He thus explodes the basis of Zionism but also Ma

  1. Chris Moore
    Chris Moore says:

    “Since the lack of empathy and guilt is widely considered a core and defining feature of psychopathy, we may have to reach the conclusion that we are dealing with a collective psychopathy. I wish I was original here. Jesus realised it 2000 years ago. The Hebrew Prophets also saw it. The Jewish State is in big trouble right now because the whole of humanity is experiencing this epiphany right now…”

    Indeed: http://www.judeofascism.com/2010/09/god-is-anti-semite-anti-jewish-polemics.html

    But Atzmon is too enamored of “Athens” as some kind of “ethical” solution to the Synagogue of Satan and The Beast. He’s a dreamer, handwringer, and ultimately, an Anti-Christ appeaser, because he won’t preach Christendom.

    He much reminds me of openly Anti-Christ author/activist Laurent Guyenot.
    https://www.unz.com/?s=Laurent&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Chris+Moore

  2. Joe Webb
    Joe Webb says:

    Even putting Athens and Jerusalem in the same paragraph is shitting on the Parthenon.

    In college at Berkeley in the mid-60s my most brilliant Prof was Sheldon Wolin, a jew, who taught political theory. Reading his major book, Politics and Vision, Wolin remarks that in terms of ancient history, never mind current affairs, Jews have absolutely nothing to contribute to the history of political theory. Per my later perspective, post-wising up to TheJews, Wolin’s position was probably self-serving…trying to keep his job. Who can gainsay that perspective?

    Hover, later, after tenure I guess, Wolin wrote a fair amount of a liberal type about democracy which today is probably boring, but we all all part of our Times to some degree. Wolin’s main concern was how Sociology , read jews maybe, was depoliticizing politics and degrading discourse about genuine political affairs by reducing noble concerns of political authority/legitimacy to matters of mere power relations of competing social groups, etc. Sounds a bit naive but that is what he was most concerned about. So here we are with Trumpstein/Jews and squabbling mere “groups” of racial low-life and money grifting libs and cucked conservatives by jews….Dems too . US politics is imperial control by Israel.

    Wolin was right to focus on the degradation of what he called The Political to race based hustling, and Money Grubbers. If he had lived, he probably would have become an anti-semite, which he probably was given his total rejection of anything jews had to say about anything in politics. Of course I was a young kid, and looking for heroism in a professor. He was a good corrective to my left-wing naïveté at the time. Politics and Vision is still a good read.

    • Wizard of Zog
      Wizard of Zog says:

      Jews have contributed “absolutely nothing” to the history of political theory (other than Wolin)?
      Durkheim, Simmel, Weber, Nordau, Scheler, De Jouvenel, Oscar Levy, Mannheim, Aron, Popper, Wolfe, Talmon, Strauss, Arendt, Rothbard, Hazony….
      Not all beneficial, of course.

  3. Ann O'Malley
    Ann O'Malley says:

    Surely if a Gentile can become a Jew, a Jew can become a Goy, just as a Girl can become a Boy (nowadays), a Hindu can become a Muslim, a Somali an American, a lady a tramp, a felon a president, an idiot a voter, a herring a kipper, a lift an elevator, a cat a lion, a fairy a faggot…. Or am I missing something?

    • Alex
      Alex says:

      Not to the Jews. A Jew is a Jew is a Jew. Born parasites, and always parasites. This is how they feel themselves about it.

      This is why the National Socialists went by genealogy (they didn’t have DNA science then) because they knew, Jews who converted to Christianity may have fooled gullible goyim, but their fellow Jews still considered them part of “the tribe”.

      If you read Reddit, r/jewish and r/judaism are good places to see how it is inside the parasite bubble. r/antisemitism is amusing as well.

      • Terry Fyde
        Terry Fyde says:

        @ Alex
        Are the Mizrahim more or less genetically parasitic than the Sephardim? How do they manage?

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