This is indeed sickening and difficult to listen to. Mr. Lotz is weeping throughout much of the interview as he recounts his personal experiences as a small farmer at the hands of African psychopaths who, e.g., raped his wife and then put their shit on her. “And when you rape a woman, burn her with that iron in the inside of her thighs, on her face, while you rape her, bite pieces out of her lip, and carry on for days in a shack. I know of people that they’ve taken off the pipes of the washing machine while they tie the wife to a chair. The husband had to look, she had to, look at the husband, push the pipe down his throat, cook the kettle and pour the boiling water down his throat.” They also killed his father-in-law, and he notes that if he called the police to investigate, he would be put in jail at least briefly and nothing would happen to the perpetrators: ” when you do get attacked, you stay away from the police. Because if you do report, or they do catch one, the first thing that will happen to you is they will open a case of assault against you. So they will lock you up first. And then hopefully you’ll be out in two, three days out of jail, whatever, depends on who you know as attorneys or whatever will happen. Most of these cases, the murders don’t get investigated. The dockets are empty.” Death certificates are falsified to say it is not murder, so don’t trust government statistics showing that White farmers are not being murdered. He also expresses his belief that the ANC will take the property of Whites, claiming that Whites stole their property and that Whites are responsible for Black poverty. (Look at other African countries; but wait, that’s the fault of White colonialism.}

Carlson refutes the media consensus that Whites are just fine in South Africa. Importantly, he notices Jewish hatred for European, calling out the ADL and their talk about “White Extinction Anxiety”: in the context of supporting the Great Replacement idea, noting the declining percentages of Whites throughout the West. As he notes, “Noticing is hate; noticing is violence.” The end of the White government in 1994 led to economic decline and no decrease in racism.

Video: “Tucker on the Most Sickening Story the Media Says Doesn’t Exist: South Africa’s White Genocide”

They’ve told us that ethnic cleansing against whites in South Africa isn’t happening. They say it’s a racist conspiracy theory. Leon Lotz knows they’re lying. He’s a South African farmer. His story will shock and sicken you.

Chapters

5 chapters in this episode

00:00:00

1. Monologue

00:05:45

2. Trump’s Infamous White House Meeting

00:20:58

3. Leon Lotz Shares His Story

00:39:53

4. The Brutal Attack On Lotz’s Family

00:51:54

5. Why Are Farmers The Targets Of These Attacks?

Transcript

Tucker [00:00:00] If you remember the 1980s, you probably remember the anti-apartheid movement, or as it was called in the United States, the antiaparthide movement. Apartheid was the longstanding system in South Africa in which the minority white population ran the political system. And to some extent, it was a system of separation where in certain parts of the country, black populations lived in what were called townships. And white populations lived in their own towns. And there was a legal separation between the groups. It was a kind of segregation. And as noted, it was longstanding. It went on for many decades. And in the United States, beginning in the 70s and then accelerating into the 1980s, it was extremely unpopular with activists, particularly on college campuses. So if you think about protests against this or that regime that have broken out over the last 20 years on campuses, pick one East Timor, Darfur, whatever campus advocates, activists, radicals are mad about. In the 1980s, they were mad about apartheid. And when you went to college campuses, Brown University famously, there were shanty towns on the quad at a lot of schools where kids built mock shanties, hovels, shacks, that were supposed to represent the squalor in which the black population of South Africa was living. Apartheid was hard to defend. It was racial discrimination. There’s no question about that. And so over time, the anti-apartheid movement, not just in the United States, but throughout the West had an effect. And we should note that in the U.S., political figures did not oppose the college anti-Apartheid movement. They endorsed it. They encouraged it. Very much unlike the anti Israel protests of a couple of years ago in college campuses. Nobody went to jail for opposing apartheid on an Ivy league campus. Nobody had his green card pulled or was deported. No, America’s ruling class was four square behind the campus protesters. And again, they were protesting something that was very obviously unfair. Racial segregation is unfair always because you don’t choose your race. In any case, in part due to unrelenting pressure from the United States and Britain and the West generally, apartheid fell in 1994 and it did so peacefully. The white government basically handed over its power in an election. And of course, on the other side was a then very famous figure called Nelson Mandela, who had been a revolutionary. He is spending decades in jail for trying to bomb a train. But by the time 1994 rolled around, he was a figure of reconciliation and peace and power sharing between black and white. And so those elections took place in 1994 and the rest of the world sighed a sigh of relief and pointed to South Africa and said, it’s gonna work, it’s going to be great. And then by and large, the West stopped paying attention to what happened in South Africa and that intentional. Aversion of gays has gone on for, well, 32 years now, but what did happen in South Africa? Well, a lot of things and none of them good. Over the past 30 years, the government of South Africa, run by the same political party that took power in 1994, the African National Congress, the ANC, has passed almost as many race-specific laws as the apartheid government did. And in some ways is much more brutal. A huge percentage of the white population has left to New Zealand, Australia, the UK, United States, and Canada to English speaking countries around the world. And if you talk to any of them, they left because they felt there was no more opportunity in South Africa because they had the wrong skin color. Meanwhile, the economy collapsed. Infrastructure collapsed. So what you had in South Africa 32 years later after apartheid was every bit as much racism, but a lot less electricity, probably not a win. What’s interesting, however, is that almost none of the people in the United States and Europe who called for an end to apartheids were willing to admit what had happened, partly because they were implicated in it. South Africa didn’t get any better. In fact, it got much worse. And the racism, the one thing that they correctly opposed about apartheid, had increased too. It had just switched sides.

So fast forward from 1994 to May of last year and the White House. This was a part of the Trump term where the president was still trying to make good on his campaign promises before giving up entirely in favor of prosecuting an Iran war. But at the time, last May of 2025, President Trump was doing something he suggested he would do on the campaign trail, and that’s say something publicly about anti-white racism, which is widespread, in some cases codified, including in the United States, and in a lot of ways, the only institutional racism that’s still allowed in the Western world. And Trump had suggested, as he was running for president, that he would be the one person, brave enough to say something about that, on the grounds that all racism is wrong. Not because it’s bad to hurt one group, but because it is bad to harm any group. It’s a universal principle. It applies to everybody. And so, in May of last year, Donald Trump gave this press conference. Watch.

Soundbite [00:05:43] We have many people that feel they’re being persecuted and they’re coming to the United States. So we take from many, many locations if we feel there’s persecution or genocide going on. And we had a lot of people. I must tell you, Mr. President, we have had a tremendous number of people, especially since they’ve seen this, generally they’re white farmers and they are fleeing South Africa. Excuse me. Turn the lights down. Turn the lights down. And just put this on, it’s right behind you, Yochan. There’s nothing this government can do with or without you. People are going to occupy land. We require no permission from you, from the President, from no one. These are articles over the last few days. Death of people. Death. Death. Death. Horrible death. Death. I don’t know. But you know that black people who are dying most… White South Africans are fleeing because of the violence and racist laws. And this is all… I mean, I’ll give these to you. So when you say, what would I like to do? I don’t know what to do. Look at this. White South African couples say that they were attacked violently. But the fake news in this country doesn’t talk about that. They don’t want to talk about it, but now they have to talk about it. But they won’t. This won’t even be a subject.

Tucker [00:07:16] So the man next to him was Cyril Ramaphosa, the president of South Africa. And the clip that Trump played, he played a couple of clips there, included a well known political figure, an ANC aligned figure called Julius, Julius Malema calling for the murder of whites openly. Now calling for, the murder. Of anyone on the basis of race is a crime in South Africa, which has hate crimes laws. But he has never been punished for that, and continues to do it even until this day. Again, acting on behalf of the government run by the man you just saw sitting next to Donald Trump. And so Donald Trump, in his inarticulate way, if you didn’t know the backstory, you might not know exactly what he was talking about, but was trying to call the world’s attention to the reality of South Africa. And the reality is, that has been for a long time, a racist reality. The government treats people differently on the basis of their skin color. And if you have the wrong skin color in South Africa, you can get hurt, raped or killed. And that’s just a fact in contestable. And yet it is contested in the United States. What’s so striking is not that Trump said that, though no president has ever come close to saying anything like that and good for Trump. But the response to Trump saying that really told you everything about how we got a system like that in South Africa in the first place and why we still have a version of it here in the United States. A system in which whites are at a structural disadvantage in hiring, college admissions, government contracting. That still exists in the U.S. As it has for many decades and everybody knows it. But no one’s allowed to talk about it or people feel intimidated out of noticing it. Because as one, the American news media screams racism every time someone points out the existence of anti-white racism. Here, for example, is how CBS News covered the press conference you just saw, watch.

Soundbite [00:09:14] President Trump has stopped all U.S. Refugee admissions except one group, the white Afrikaner ethnic minority that once led South Africa’s brutal apartheid regime. The first group has already arrived in America claiming they’ve been victims of violence and discrimination. Claims of a white genocide are often circulated by right-wing groups. Everyone’s joking that they’re surprised to wake up and suddenly find it’s too dangerous to go outside because there’s a white genocide. So there is humor and there is also frustration. As for Africana farmers, most will say Uncle Donnie, as they call President Trump, is being fed a false narrative.

Tucker [00:10:08] Oh. So there are two things to learn from CBS News’s report. One is that none of this is happening and if you think it is, you’re a racist. And two, that the apartheid regime was brutal. In other words, when the whites had power, they were brutal. And the implication there, of course, and some will say it out loud, is that any brutality visited on the whites in the past 32 years is deserved because it’s payback for what other white people did 32 years ago. All right, now, now of course, CBS News has no way of knowing this. That wasn’t a CBS News employee you saw there. CBS News doesn’t have a bureau in South Africa. That was a stringer, a freelance employee that CBS hired. As for the Afrikaner academic, is he a mainstream voice in South African? No, he’s not. And then the claim, if you ask a white farmer in South Afrika, how many white farmers did CBS News poll on this question? Well, as far as we can tell, none. There is no news in the news segment you just saw. It is a propaganda piece designed to intimidate you from asking follow-up questions like, is there racial discrimination against whites in South Africa? Have white farmers been killed for being white? If so, how many? Those questions go completely unaddressed because were they to address them, they would find that everything that president implied was entirely true. But it wasn’t just CBS News, which by the way is now run by Barry Weiss, who is a professional racial grievance monger, whose entire public career is devoted to protecting the interests of one group, a group she describes as, quote, my people. But any attempt by other groups to do that is shouted down immediately, you’ll notice. In any case, it wasn’t just CBS News. Here’s ABC News’ reaction to the same press conference.

Soundbite [00:12:02] Tonight, an extraordinary scene in the Oval Office, President Trump ambushing the president of South Africa with false claims the nation is engaged in genocide against white farmers. President Cyril Ramaphosa said he came to the White House to discuss trade….. But Trump had other ideas. The president insists white South African farmers are being persecuted and murdered on a mass scale, unproven claims that have been amplified by Elon Musk, a native of South Africa. There is a crime problem in South Africa, but there is no evidence it is racially motivated or amounts to genocide. White people make up only 7% of the country, but own the vast majority of its farmland.

Tucker [00:12:48] So again, that’s not a news piece. There’s no information, despite the little graphic at the bottom, which is designed to let you know whites have too much already, this is just justice. But it begins by describing the president’s comments as an ambush of the poor president of South Africa, who’s just here trying to strike up a new relationship with the United States. And here, Trump ambushes him. Actually, that same president, Ramaphosa, has said openly anti-white things in public for many years. He, not that long ago, pointed to neighboring Zimbabwe, which did in fact genocide its whites. There are almost none left in the country, stole their land, allowed them to be murdered by mobs, and said that is a model for South Africa. That president that they’re defending is the victim of an ambush, has said point blank many times in public that his plan is to steal the, not just the real estate, the land of the white population. But their personal property, without compensation. That’s his party’s official position. In fact, as the ANC, his party, phrases it, compensation will be, quote, nil, which means nothing. So, there are real questions here that might be worth exploring if you were a news organization, but instead, ABC News, like CBS News, dismisses everything Trump says as false, without proving it’s false, just stating it’s falls. It’s false. In any case, the whites are bad. This is and has been for decades the position of every news organization in the United States And not simply that of groups who you thought were dedicated to protecting the human rights of human beings Here’s the adl’s statement on claims of white genocide in south africa and we’re quoting

For decades white supremacists globally were cheerleaders for the institutionalized white supremacy of apartheid in south Africa They have reacted bitterly to the end of the racist policy and to the progress South Africans have made in pursuit of racial equality and reconciliation.

Keep in mind, the ADL is a group whose aims are to protect global Jewry. That’s what ADL says it exists to do. Why are they attacking whites in South Africa who say they are the victims of institutional racism, which they are, and of organized violence, which they aren’t? Why would it be in the interest of ADL to attack them for that? What exactly did they do wrong? How are they anti-Semites for not wanting to be killed on their farms? They don’t explain that. But the statement goes on.

White supremacists have seized upon some of the farm-related violence in South Africa since the end of apartheid to peddle a propaganda campaign that exaggerates and distorts the situation to imply that the South African whites are imperiled.

Again, what possible interest would the Anti-Defamation League have in attacking whites in South Africa who say they’re being killed, especially since…many, many hundreds have been killed. And that’s documented. That’s not a guess and it’s not a conspiracy theory. And every single one of them was killed by a black South African. This is intra-racial crime and it is racially motivated and the testimony of almost every survivor corroborates that. So why is it in the interest of the ADL, not simply to deny it’s happening, but to attack the survivors of it and their family members? You have to ponder that for a minute. Here’s Wikipedia’s response to this racial conspiracy theory. Quote,

white genocide is a political myth based on pseudoscience, pseudohistory and ethnic hatred and is driven by a psychological panic often termed white extinction anxiety. White extinction, often referred to as white extinction, anxiety.

So let’s just, I don’t know, get the demographic numbers which are publicly available for the biggest white countries in Europe and North America, and ask a really simple question, is the percentage, the proportion of the white population going up or down? Say over the past 50 years, has it gone up or down? Well, it’s not only going down, it bottomed out. United States went from nearly 90% white over 60 years to probably less than half white. So that’s white extinction anxiety? No, those are facts. So again… It’s not enough to pretend that it’s not happening.

Wikipedia, like the ADL, like CBS News, like ABC News, feels the moral obligation to attack anyone who happens to notice what’s happening. The facts are themselves racist. Objectively, again, Wikipedia,

white people are not dying out or facing extermination. The purpose of the conspiracy theory is to justify a commitment to a white nationalist agenda in support of calls to violence.

Noticing is hate, noticing is violence. So underneath all of this are two questions. One, is it actually happening or not? And wouldn’t it be interesting to find out rather than just dismissing it out of hand as an act of violence to notice that people are being raped and murdered, wouldn’t be easier just to talk to people in South Africa and see what their experience is, do a little reporting on the subject? And the second question is… Is it ever okay to attack, to hurt people on the basis of their race? And of course, in the view of the ADL, of the anonymous Wikipedia authors of ABC and CBS and NBC and pretty much every news organization in the United States, yes, it is okay in certain circumstances. Not all races are equal. Not all death is the same. The death of some groups, the oppression of some group is totally unacceptable. And the deaths of other groups, the oppression of those groups is morally justified. So it’s worth saying it out loud. That is wrong. That is the definition of a distorted racist worldview. The only acceptable worldview is that all human life is equal in value. It’s a universalist perspective. Every person is not of identical ability, but every person is of identical value. And it is always wrong. No matter what the color or ethnicity or culture or language, it is always unacceptable to kill the innocent. And that would include Palestinians in Gaza. It would include whites and the Transvaal. It would includes every single Jews, Filipinos, include every person. It is always to hurt people who did nothing wrong. And that would include hurting people because of how they were born, which is not a crime. It’s an accident. And so you should know that in denying the existence of something that is objectively true, the people who deny it are revealing what they really think, which is it’s okay to kill some people. You should know. Meantime, we thought it’d be worth talking to someone who lives in South Africa, an actual South African farmer. So we invited him to our house and spent a great deal of time with him. His name is Leon Lotz. We’re about to show you the interview we did with him two days ago. And we warn you before you watch this, that this is one of the most wrenching conversations we’ve ever had. It’s shocking. We believe every word of it is true, but judge for yourself, Leon Lutz. Leon, thank you for doing this very much. So in the United States, we are told that farm murders are not real and that people who talk about farm invasions, the murder of white farmers in South Africa are both delusional, they’re making it up, and they’re racist. Is it real?

Leon Lotz [00:20:57] I can speak on my own behalf on everybody that I know. So I myself come to a farm owner, where my father-in-law was shot and killed in front of my… Of my wife and my kids, my wife was raped at the same time. Um… By one neighbor. So I moved from that farm to another farm to get out of the crime scene. I moved to the Karoo where I thought it was much safer. We were there for a couple of months and then the one next door neighbor got murdered. His wife made it. They shot her twice. I bought a farm from a lady called Marlise Daniels and Fred in Middlebrook in the Eastern Cape. Her parents got executed on the knees shot behind the head. Two years back, a guy that entered the farm. In the same area. I don’t know where the camera can see this. I see it. What is that? That is another, this was also an attack that I actually, there’s so many attacks that I come through prop three proper attacks and this one was almost forgotten and I’ve got a stamp wood in my leg and the side of my leg on this side, that one I survived. So, when you do get attacked, you stay away from the police. Because if you do report, or they do catch one, the first thing that will happen to you is they will open a case of assault against you. So they will lock you up first. And then hopefully you’ll be out in two, three days out of jail, whatever, depends on who you know as attorneys or whatever will happen. Most of these cases, the murders don’t get investigated. The dockets are empty. We know, many of them, we can prove this. This is not something against the government or whatever, but it doesn’t get investigate it. In some of these instances, being a point straight to police. Brent’s docket is empty. In Steinsberg, there’s just nothing. The other thing that they lie about is the death certificates. I’ve got the death certificate, I’ve pictures for you. My father-in-law’s one, I forced them to put on the death-certificate murder. Eventually they put on it with massive conflict. They put on a gunshot wound to abdomen. The other death certificates of people that I know that got murdered says cause of death are natural causes. So they don’t investigate the murders, nothing happens. So how can the stats prove that we’re being murdered? There’s about 30,000 farmers left, white farmers left in South Africa.

Tucker [00:24:36] How many were there in 1994 when the government changed?

Leon Lotz [00:24:39] I think more than 100,000, I’m not sure of the figures, but it must be more than a hundred thousand farmers. There are 30,000. The big ones have got bigger and bigger. The smaller ones, like myself, we are first in line for fire. We have got top, top farmers in South Africa, like really good farmers. Under the circumstances we’re farming. I take my hat off for some of those farmers producing food and we’re producing enough food in all these circumstances that we can export food. So telling us that we’re lying is, Our own ambassador here in America, Mr. Rolf Mayer, says that he’s a white South African and he will speak on behalf of us. I would like Mr. Mayer to really talk the truth. He actually needs to be arrested for whatever they’ve done to humans, even in the National Party. He needs to be arrested. He closes his eyes now and say that we don’t get murdered. Please come with us. We can show you. Come live with me for three days Mr. Rupert said when he was here with Mr. Trump that he sleeps with his doors open. Mr.Rupert is a billionaire.

Tucker [00:25:59] Um… This is Johan Ruppert.

Leon Lotz [00:26:00] Yeah, I am not upset with him. He also, I’m breeding racehorses as well, and Johan also breeds horses. I actually need him in the industry. Without him, we don’t have a racehorse industry. But he cannot sleep with his doors open if he lives the way I live. He’s got all the security with him. We haven’t got that luxury. If you drive in South Africa, wherever you go, you will see burglar-proofing, barbed wire fencing, steel palisade fences, alarm systems, cameras, dogs, whatever. When we came through here last night, that’s absolutely a miracle. There’s wooden houses. There’s cars standing outside. We can’t leave Gauze outside. They will break in those cars, steal the battery, steal those tires or the rims. They will murder you for a vehicle. The insurance that we pay to be safe in our houses, there’s thousands of rands a month. My insurance is 20,000 rand [USD$1200] a month to have insurance that it’s a fact that they will come and break in again. I mean, I‘ve been through three farm attacks. The one I actually forgot. It’s a way of living. The older you get, the more tired you get of all this bullshit. And I am so tired of my own people and a British person sitting in England and a Pete Cochamp and a Rolf Mayer and a Rudolf Landmann and whoever they are in your own country telling that we are not being murdered. They can say that we’re not being murdered because it’s the biggest fraud in the world that it’s not on the death certificates. These murder cases don’t get investigated. When they do catch murderers, the one that murdered my father, the police said he murdered 23 people. I didn’t say that. I don’t thumb suck that. He got a life sentence for 146 years. He came from Mozambique, a black man.

Tucker [00:28:19] He was not even, he was-

Leon Lotz [00:28:20] an immigrant to Mario Konzo. So a month back, I started to find out where he was. And then they came back saying they very ashamed, but he was released after a year. So whenever you in South Africa in jail, you sit max 10% of your sentence. Then you walk. After murdering your father-in-law? Yeah, a murder for… There was a person working for me, he stabbed his own people. He’s now sitting in jail for three years. Not one of the people he stabbed died. My father died. He raped my wife. He sat here and he’s out. And as this seems possible, they don’t investigate anything. You can’t get anywhere. You don’t lay a case. You will go to jail first. Um, now we are getting murdered, the difference between our murders and the Cape Flat murders, the Cape flat murders is the same ethnic group, if I call about ethnic groups, and if the world understand this, we’ve got black people, we have got brown people, we have white people in South Africa, then we have immigrants from Mozambique, Zimbabwe, all of Zimbabwe is in South Africa, as does Mozambique. There’s people from Malawi in South Africa. So every now and then there’s xenophobia, they push them out. But I don’t know how far they go and then they’re back again. I think these illegal immigrants will build the houses and then when there’s enough houses they will be chased out so they can just take the houses for free and then they just carry on. But I think the difference between the murders in the Cape Flats is the same ethnic group murder their own people. Malema will stand up there and say kill the Boer, kill the farmer. So a Boer is a farmer in Afrikaans. Um… He actually give them an order to kill us. They don’t steal. It’s not a theft gone wrong. They come to murder us. They don’t steal anything. They will take weapons, urinate on you, put their feces on you. Whatever, rape. Put their fecees on you? So the one main thing of it is, is when they do these things, they will get their own feces out, spread it all over the house and on the people they murdered, that is the way they do it. To just humiliate or dehumanize you, whatever they do.

Tucker [00:31:01] They, they rape women and then defecate on them.

Leon Lotz [00:31:19] Of the 33,000 farmers that’s left in South Africa, that’s our ethnic group. There’s more white people in South African than 30,000, but there’s only about 30,000 white farmers that farm. There is no way that we as white farmers will go and stand there and sing, kill the worker, kill the whatever, we don’t do that. We don’t go out murdering them, but if you open social media, you’ll see black people reporting that we white farmers are murdering hundreds and thousands of blacks, we? Where do we do that? There’s no place that we seem like Malema that is all over that just did it on Saturday again. Kill the farmer, kill the boar. Politically, that is correct for the ANC. We can’t have an old flag, that’s hate speech. But this man can order people to kill. Um… Like he did with some of the people that’s here with me. They were singing that kill the farmer, kill the Boer, and then they attack you. So a different ethnic group will come and murder us as whites White people don’t want murder white farmers There’s white people that murder that needs to be I don’t know where we’ve got to go with them, but There’s criminals in every society But in a civil society, how can you do things like this? How can you heat up an iron that your iron close with? And when you rape a woman, burn her with that iron in the inside of her thighs, on her face, while you rape her, bite pieces out of her lip, and carry on for days in a shack. I know of people that they’ve taken off the pipes of the washing machine while they tie the wife to a chair. The husband had to look, she had to, look at the husband, push the pipe down his throat, cook the kettle and pour the boiling water down his throat. I mean Ruth Meyer will say this is not happening. Our own president, like they’re calling Souverain Etunia. Now that the American government has imposed sanctions on their visas. So what does this sovereignty means to them? Jan van Riebeuk apparently came in in 1625.

Leon Lotz [00:34:08] So all the people of color then got poor I was born in 1966.

Leon Lotz [00:34:20] I bought my first farm with money I saved doing farrier work on horses. I put it in a tin. I bought a farm after Nelson Mandela was released. Now they want to take my property for free, not pay me for it. No compensation.

Tucker: You were a blacksmith shooing horses?

Leon Lotz:  Yes. That’s how I made money to eventually buy a farm. I didn’t inherit it. I didn’t get a loan. I didn’t qualify. No, they want to just take what you’ve worked for. You didn’t.

Tucker [00:34:52] Take your farm.

Leon Lotz [00:34:54] From black people. I’ve never taken any farm from anybody. I bought a farm that was in the market for three years in the new South Africa while after Nielsen Mandela was released. So why didn’t the black person buy the farm?

Tucker [00:35:08] So you think they’re going to try and take it from you because you’re white?

Leon Lotz [00:35:12] I think it’s a definite that we will lose our farms. I don’t think it is going to take too long. This is what Nelson Mandela is screaming for, this is what they’re doing. They’re hiding this through the whole world. We are producing food. We’re not there for the political side of it. I’ve got nothing to do with the political side of, I just want to live and be free. I can’t have a gun all the time.

Tucker [00:35:40] Can you start at the beginning of the story that you told at the outset, your father-in-law’s murder, what happened?

Leon Lotz [00:35:50] So my father was farming with pigs, he had a naval break operation. My wife went there. To look after the farming operation. While he was in hospital, he came out on the Friday. I had a horse racing at the Turf and Train race course in Johannesburg. On the Saturday, I actually entered this horse just to get to my father-in-law so that I have an excuse to go there. The farm is about 600 kilometers away from different rain race course. So I left there four o’clock in the morning on Saturday. The horse ran, I think it ran last. I went back to my father’s farm, offloaded the horse. And eight o’ clock that evening, my wife said to me, my wife is a very thin. Posture-wise woman, she was about 50 kilos, 54 kilograms. Eight o’clock that evening, my wife said to me, don’t you want to go back to the farm? Just now they steal the sheep or break into the house while if we’re not there. Under Northern circumstances, my father would first jump up and he said, you’re not driving back, you came here this morning, you didn’t sleep, you’re staying over till the next morning. So the Lord must have saved me. And I got up from the table, took the house box, load the horse, and went back. I arrived there around about three o’clock. Just after I arrived, the phone rang and it was my mother-in-law. And all I heard was he said, they shot, they shot dad, they shot that. And I could heard this bastard screaming at the background, swearing at her, telling her she’s a white dog and a white bitch and a White whatever. Um, and then everything went dead. Found us off. I was 600 kilometers away. My two daughters were there, my youngest one was about three years old. My son was there. One of my jockeys was there Um, if Gavin wasn’t a jockey and they didn’t think he was a kid, they would have shot him as well. Um, the first thing they asked was, is there men in their, in their house? So they wanted to shoot my son’s dog, a little Jack Russell. He had to take his shoelace and tie the horse. The dog’s mouth closed. So they tied him up and he managed to untie himself to get a pipe out of the cupboard to protect himself. But he couldn’t break the pipe out. I think the Lord saved him also like that, but so they heard him and while they were busy with Adele, they were walking up and down my father’s room. They haven’t shot him yet. Adele said to me the worst fear she ever had was.

Leon Lotz [00:39:43] They had the gun on his head, and they don’t know whether they would pull the trigger and shoot my son. So eventually they went to my father’s room. My daughter, they closed the door and told her she must keep quiet. They opened the door. They must have been there hours before. My son said he opened the door, and then he took the pistol and hit the light switch on, and then my father lifted up, he shot him in his stomach. I’m in front of my son. Then they attacked my mother-in-law, threw her off the bed. Um, my son got a handgun. He had to open the safe. He managed to hide the handgun and he said to me, Dad, I could have shot him in his back. How many walked out, but I didn’t know who was with my mother. And my sister if I fired a shot and they heard it, what would happen? So luckily he didn’t shoot the men It’s another thing to get murdered but it’s a completely different thing to take somebody else’s life. This is not the way we are, this is not who we are. We are Christian people, we don’t take other people’s lives, we can protect ourselves and that my lay mamas now and Ruth Meyer and Ramaphosa You will push us and push us till something breaks. We still got something to lose. That’s in your advantage. But also my youngest daughter started crying. And then they all had to cover.

Leon Lotz [00:42:13] We have a neighbor that they detribe her because she said even us get to a court case, they will humiliate her. This is the way the system works she did put in the affidavit that they pushed her pushed their hands into her and they touched all over. My wife was standing outside. I’ve said this many times. It looked like if you see a chicken that stood in the rain. I don’t look like that. So Adele’s nickname in Afrikaans was Cricket, which is an English cricket because of her posture, because he was small. After I put the phone down with my mother, I found a friend of mine, Wallace Tormey, and he got the police. If it wasn’t for that, I don’t know what would have happened, but it took me a couple of minutes before my brain registered that I can phone somebody. I got such a big fright that my brain was empty. So when I got there, and I saw my wife standing there, I didn’t have any words. You can’t pray, you don’t know what to do. And at that moment, still you don’t hate the way they hate us. And if suveranity means for this ANC government that they’ve been screaming this week that my blood and my family’s blood must flow. For the poverty that is happening in South Africa. They must put that blame in front of the old national party, the Roof Mayor, the Evia de Klerk’s, Pete Kroekamp, Ramaphosa Azuma Malema. They’ve been running this country for how many years now? 30 years. Why do my wife have to be raped and my family being murdered?

Leon Lotz [00:46:57] So that they can have a party that I

Leon Lotz [00:47:21] in the world. If those farm workers are in the way, they will also shoot them, like they do. I want to state it again.

Leon Lotz [00:47:37] We are being murdered by another ethnic group. The Cape Flats ‘ve got to pay for it by getting murdered because there’s poverty and then they will say you’re getting murdered, because you treat your farm workers badly it is the worstand all the murders in the country that is not on white farmers. That same ethnic group murder their own people. We are not being murdered by our own white people. We are been murdered by black people.

Leon Lotz [00:48:01] Um… Why? I don’t know, I think they hate us because…

Leon Lotz [00:48:07] We’ve got farms. Politically, they said that we stole everything from them. When I was in the military, I remember one of the points that the ANC made was to crash the economy. Because they said if they crash the economic and get the whole country unruly, they will stay in power. And this is exactly what they’re doing at the moment. They’re crashing the whole economy because if you’ve got nowhere to go, they can stay in control forever. Um, I don’t give this poverty. But how can 30,000 people be to blame for the poverty of millions in this country? How can 30 thousand people look after millions of people? From Malawi, from Mozambique, from Zimbabwe, and from South Africa. How is it possible?

Tucker [00:49:07] How productive are white farmers in South Africa?

Leon Lotz [00:49:11] I’ve sold fertilizer for Gavilan fertilizers in the US. I’ve been in the U.S. When I worked for Gavalon. I’ve in many places in the world, in Australia. I haven’t been to Europe, but if you, I can’t say in bushels, but if a South African farmer and you plant corn, the average farmer in South Africa on the center pivot. In the worst conditions that we’ve got, we’ll harvest 16 tons average on corn. So we are productive farmers. We buy all the tractors that come from the U.S. And wherever. We up to standard 80 tons of potatoes to 100 tons of potatos. On wheat, we also do eight to 10 tons. Soy as we can do on the dry land areas, we can two tons depending on the weather. But we’ve cut top, top farmers. Cattle production, we up with the best in the world. We don’t have to stand back anyway. We’re right up there, the best in the world. Farmers in South Africa don’t get subsidized like many farmers in other parts of the world do. They’ve got to get their own finance, do their own thing. There’s no help from the government at all. They do block us that we can’t import, like fertilizer directly, they’ve got all these rules and regulations that you can’t input directly.

Tucker [00:50:48] Does South Africa produce its own fertilizer?

Leon Lotz [00:50:50] We used to be self-sufficient in fertilizer in total, at the moment we’re not. The sassel that we had is not producing fertilizer anymore, it’s been taken over by the government. We had a phosphorus plant in Palaborva that went to Richard’s Bay, they didn’t produce any granules this season so far, nothing, they’ve been standing for six months, we’ve got to import everything. We’re on a massive strain at the moment with the wars that’s going around. We can’t get fertilizer Vessels has got to come from Russia and all over So still with all that farmers are still producing We’re getting murdered. We’re having everything against us from the outside world and we are still producer

Tucker [00:51:36] We are still there. But South Africa was once self-sufficient in fertilizer? Total.

Leon Lotz [00:51:43] Totally, we were self-sufficient in everything except urea. It was always cheaper to import urea than to manufacture it ourselves.

Tucker [00:51:54] But the government in 30 years has destroyed the entire industry. There’s nothing left, there is nothing left. That’s horrifying. So why do you think it is the farmers though, the 30,000 mostly, well, white, but a lot of them Afrikaans speaking farmers, why are they the targets of this violence when there’s such a small percentage of the white population?

Leon Lotz [00:52:23] I think the ANC government is using it, they’ve got to tell uneducated people that we are to blame for their poverty. And they manage to get that over, those people think we are to blame for their poverty. If you drive a car, they would think that that car actually belongs to them. Um they destroyed our schools they destroyed the hospitals there’s no hospitals in the small towns left anymore really it looks like pigstays you can’t go there um there’s no hospitals i had to be my wife got sick i had two drive 800 kilometers to the nearest hospitals and 350 if you get a heart attack there’s no helicopter taking you you’re not going to make it There is no hospitals left. There’s no doctors left. The people are just leaving. What would happen?

Tucker [00:53:19] And if you, what’s the nearest hospital?

Leon Lotz [00:53:20] How far? Mine here is either Bloemfontein, it’s 350 kilometers away, or Port Elizabeth, 350 kilometers away. And if those hospitals doesn’t have space, then you go to Cape Town. How far is that? 890 kilometers away from me. So I’ve done that trip for three and a half years after the murder.

Leon Lotz [00:53:40] Every two months. Why did you go every two months? Uh, so yeah. Off to the murder.

Leon Lotz [00:53:55] First, my mother-in-law got cancer, and she passed away. And very soon after the murder, I…

Leon Lotz [00:54:05] I could see my wife was getting sick. Um. She does taste HIV. And luckily she didn’t have HIV.

Leon Lotz [00:54:30] But she got first she was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis then leukemia And the last two months of her life. She was also diagnosed with fibromyalgia And if you go back on the science of these diseases. Fear and anxiety, extreme fear and anxiety is a definite cause of these disease as is diabetes. A friend of mine, Sean, was attacked while they were sleep instead. And Sean has got diabetes now. He was stabbed while he was asleep? They walked into his house, tied them up, him and his wife and started stabbing him while he, he didn’t wake up at first. Shell was awake, tied her up, put socks in her mouth, put the tie, tied them up tied them until they, they quiet and then just started stabing him. Just. They won’t ask questions. If they walk in, if you’re a man, they will kill you because they’ve got to get you out the way. Did they stab his wife? No, luckily not.

Leon Lotz [00:55:48] So after the murder, we waited for four days.

Leon Lotz [00:55:54] Of forensic to eventually pitch up to take fingerprints.

Leon Lotz [00:56:00] In that time. My kids are they?

Leon Lotz [00:56:07] There’s animals on the outside that you’ve got to look after that’s got to be fed and watered. And then you’ve got to wait for forensic to hopefully get some fingerprints, this or that. In the meantime, you can’t clean the blood that’s everywhere. Kids just have to walk over that. You can’t fix these kids again. You can get them to be normal again. When I was 17 years old, when I went to the military, I didn’t experience this that we are experiencing now. We had a proper multi-force in South Africa. We could look after ourselves. But I have never experienced what I’m experiencing now. You can go for psychiatry treatment and this and that. They can pray for you. You can pray yourself. And after that, you will see on social media or here that somebody will phone you and say there’s another murder there. They don’t put it in the news anymore. They hide it. Nobody talks about it. The people near you. We’ll talk about it, and then somebody else will just hope it doesn’t happen to you, and then you’ll get on social media. Statistical-wise, we don’t murder you, because in the Cape Flats, there’s hundreds of kids being murdered, coming back to the same thing again. The same ethnic group that murdered them. They’re not murdered by whites. No, by their own people. We waited for four days, after that I had to go to a state mortuary. I think in the U.S. If there’s a murder, there’s a specific mortuary way. They investigate those murders and those bodies go to. In South Africa now, the state mortgages are in the locations, that’s in any case where I had to go to in Cebu King. I had drive 10 kilometers into that location where it’s definitely not safe if you wait. It’s not a place where you want to be. They will murder you if you drive in there. You cannot stop. You’ve got to go and get there and get out.

Leon Lotz [00:58:51] When I eventually got there. There was a sign on the wall there.

Leon Lotz [00:59:01] And I was sitting there crying, and on that sign, it said… No bodies will be kept here for longer than three months. We should have a pause and Louv Mahal will tell me that I’m telling a lie now. And I couldn’t understand what I was reading because I was crying and I was afraid and emotionally I was drained. They made me sit there for two hours, maybe longer, before I could witness the body. Because you must say this is… Who the person is, sign all the documents.

Leon Lotz [00:59:51] So eventually, a black man came, he had…

Leon Lotz [00:59:56] Chungam chewing it, and he fell back in a chair on the other side of a counter, and he was leaning backwards like this as he was on the beach. And he blew this bubble with a chewing gum. In the meantime, they were talking and laughing and I don’t know what jokes they were taking, whether they were thinking about me or whatever they were doing, I don’t know. It’s very disrespectful. If you haven’t experienced racism, go there and tell me if you haven’t experienced racism. So in that bubble burst, he said to me, so what happened to the deceased? I was never treated so disrespectfully in my whole life. After massive conflict with that, we eventually walked. To the body and I remember the guy from Doves that moved all the dead bodies. I looked at him and I said to him, does the Lord really exist? And he said to me, yes. I said, how is that possible? Because you see this every day. And he said to me, That’s what you see here, it’s not the Lord, it is…

Leon Lotz [01:01:20] Eat the Satan.

Leon Lotz [01:01:25] And I’d be ashamed of saying it While I was sitting there, I was looking down at him and I thought to myself how can you do a job like this? Why didn’t you rather go to university or college or study something? How can you something like this Without those people I do not know what we will do in South Africa And I’ve got to take hats off to them. So he stood up and he said to me, if you’re not scared of bodies, or if you are scared of what is in, just look at the back of my head. Do not look to the side. So the norm in South Africa is if there’s no state, more juries, the refugees right doesn’t even work. There’s too many bodies in any case. There’s no space for them. They don’t come and pick up the bodies. And that is black people. Because it’s Zimbabweans, Malawians, whoever is here. They don’t pick up the debt, they just leave them there. So by law, I think they must keep them there for three months. So while I was there, there was not enough space for those dead bodies. Why don’t they pick up their bodies of their people? It’s cheaper, it’s too expensive. So just leave it there. And that’s poverty. And that’s got to be blame on me because I’m a white farmer.

Tucker [01:03:00] So the bodies were lying. That’s not just poverty some of the poorest people in the world pick up the bodies of their dead Doesn’t happen in South Africa There’s something else there. That is disgusting

Leon Lotz [01:03:12] So the bodies were lying, I went through a passage and we turned and there was bodies, I walked through the middle of the bodies, the bodies lying on both sides and they had these blue covers halfway over the bodies. It was that close. So that’s the… Were heating up or I don’t know what they were doing. They would swap them around, put them at the refrigerator, turn them around. So my father was lying on the table there. Without any clothes. The fear in his face was still there.

Leon Lotz [01:03:59] I’m not scared of a dead body.

Leon Lotz [01:04:03] What I saw was horrific. Brother fell with a motorbike and air went through the same story. Brother had long hair, died on a motorbike and, not on a murder, just a normal accident, but all his hair got shaved off, they cut him open on his head and they put stitches in that far apart. I can do a barbed wire fencing better than what they do. And my question to them is, if you put on the death certificate, cause of death, unnatural causes, why the hell do you have to cut the bodies up and do any forensic investigation on it in any case? You don’t open a case of murder. So why do you cut those bodies open? Why don’t we ever say? But my father, his beard was long, the blood was in his mouth, on his cheeks, in his nose. They cut him open from the bottom all the way to here and the stitches were, I don’t know, five centimeters apart. It looked absolutely horrific and disrespectful.

Leon Lotz [01:05:20] Why do I have to go to a state mortuary? To witness a body to be treated like an animal And then move the body too, a proper.

Leon Lotz [01:05:36] Place where we can buddy.

Leon Lotz [01:05:38] Where we can put the data away. If my wife, or my daughter, or son had to go there and witness a dead body. I would probably have died sooner. Then after you sign those documentation, then you’ve got to go and get a date certificate. You get too internal a face.

Leon Lotz [01:06:33] You stand in the queue all day long. It’s not one white person working there, it’s only black people working there. You stand in a queue to get anything, you get IDZ, I don’t know what else you get there. And you cry and everybody look at you like you’re an idiot. Standing in a queue, crying. And when you eventually get to the front, they come back with a death certificate and say cause of death, unnatural causes. I torn mine up and I said, I will not accept this. The police arrived again. Massive conflict and eventually I got this certificate that says can’t show the wound to abdomen.

Leon Lotz [01:07:28] We’ve got a farmers organization called Agri-SA.

Leon Lotz [01:07:33] It is the only agricultural organization that the government accept as a spokesperson, call it a spokesperson. I’ve mentioned this to them many, many years back. Our own organization has never stood up for one farm murder. I’ve personally spoken to top management at that stage, Dan Crick. They did nothing. They just hide these death certificates under the table. Nobody come back to me and say, you’re wrong, you’re right, nothing. So I’ve got pictures of it. I can show it, I can prove it. We had a A spike of farmers, I think around about 2010, 2007, don’t take me on it, but all of a sudden those death certificates, when it used to say bullet wound or whatever it used to say, it now changed. So I think Ramaphosa is doing the biggest fraud in the world, first of all, with the death certificates. And don’t tell me the ambassador here in the US, Mr. Rufmeyer, doesn’t know that because he was part of the government. Um, reporting to the President, Mr. Evian O’Clarke, at that stage. He must have known all this.

Leon Lotz [01:09:00] And you must all know it. If you’ve gone through all that. Then first of all they don’t investigate the murder.

Leon Lotz [01:09:17] If they do investigate it, the docket at the police station will get go missing. It will just disappear. You’ve got nice sight over. If they do catch somebody, like this one, Mario Konzo, that murdered my father-in-law. He murdered 23 people. He got a life sentence of 146 years. We went through that whole deal. So when you get to court, I just studied agriculture. So I’m not an attorney, I’m an advocate. I’m a politician. I’m normal person. I battle to pay my accounts like any other normal person but my farm workers are being sorted. They live, they eat. I will not feed somebody like Ruth Meyer and Pete Crocombe in South Africa. That is white. I will rather feed a black person, not Malema. We are not all racist, black and white people. I can’t be blamed for what’s happening in the Cape flats. You are murdering your own people. I’m standing up for myself, for my own people, for my family.

Leon Lotz [01:10:46] I have been.

Speaker 9 [01:10:48] In Three Attacks. We survived the first two.

Tucker [01:10:54] Nobody got killed. Is that how you got the scar on your chin? That’s one of them. What happened?

Leon Lotz [01:11:05] I was slaughtering cattle and walked onto them and they saw me and said I was going to report them, they had to kill me.

Tucker [01:11:12] They were slaughtering your cattle?

Leon Lotz [01:11:14] My grandfather’s kettle, so… They tried to slit my throat, fought back, I’ve got a scar on my leg, a scar in the side. That one was actually okay. The other one, they came onto my grandfather’s farm, said they wanted to buy sheep. My grandfather, we immediately saw that there was trouble. My wife was there with me. We didn’t have kids yet. My grandfather sent my wife into the house and said she must put the lights off, open the doors, something like that. At first she didn’t register. And when she got it, she went into the hours, opened the safe, got the guns out. I went in the other way around the house. My grandfather stood there. And when we got inside, the next minute. It was a taxi full of people that came out with AK-47s and just started shooting at us. So my grandfather came through the kitchen door and we fired back. We phoned the police. They came there. No forensic investigation, nothing. And nothing happened afterwards.

Tucker [01:12:29] Why did they start firing an AK-47 at you? No idea. B.I.B. Don’t have any sheep to sell. Did you know these?

Leon Lotz [01:12:37] People? No. Had you ever seen them before? The same ones that murdered my father never seen them ever before. So in court, this Mario Konzo was caught, and the court had said that there was eight people outside, six people. So when you’re in a farm murder, you’ve got all these burglar proving outside, all the steel fences, all the barbed wire to keep people out. But you’re inside the house, you’re stuck in your own house, you can’t get out.

Tucker [01:13:10] But you don’t, I mean, to drive to a stranger’s house and open fire with an AK-47 for no reason is a strange thing to do.

Leon Lotz [01:13:17] Same with they did when they murdered my father-in-law said, this is what they do. They dive past and see there’s a soft target and they just go in. Did they steal a lot of things? Um, they don’t come to steal. They, they come to take guns and murder and take vehicles. They don’t steal anything. There’s no theft involved here. They just want to kill the whites. So the second attack, I came back from work, stopped in front of the farm gate. And here was this black man standing in front the gate with racehorses, bridles, racing bridles and those racehorse, racing bridle are very expensive. Aluminum, alamite shoes, horses, a whole lot of things. They wanted to sell it to me. So I phoned a policeman and I said, there’s a man standing in front of my gate and it looks like he wants to sell me stolen goods. So they said to me, I must bring him into town to Kimberley. They will give me money. There’s a bar there, a horseshoe motel. I must stop there, they will wait for me there. I must get this man in the car, walk in, they would give me the money. There will be police in the carpark right next to me. So it worked 100%. Police were standing outside. They didn’t look like policemen, also black people. Got out, they gave me the money and I offered him the money. And when he took the money, they arrested him. So, yeah. That was it, one thief less, but he escaped and he came back with my barn and light. He set your barn on fire? My tactors burned down, some of my tactors, my equipment, I had alfalfa bales there that burned down. And as it is, you always under insure when things like that happen. I think I lost about 1.3, 1.4 million rand to that stage, which was from White Pocket. I met up with my wife in the house with guns, took my guns. It took me months to get my guns back. Eventually they caught him again, got my firearms with him, and he escaped again. And he’s still at large, still today. They never caught him. I was treated like a criminal because my guns got missing. And they wanted to cancel my firearm licenses and all that.

Tucker [01:15:41] It sounds like if strangers are pulling up with AK-47s that it’s easy to get a gun in South Africa.

Leon Lotz [01:15:50] The only people that’s got to have a license is us. Whites. Yeah. Um, a license for a firearm. The rest is AK-47s. We’re not allowed to have automatic rifles or weapons with us. You’ve got to to have special license to get something like it. You don’t have AK- 47s? No, we can’t. We can’t have that on our. There is people that does have, but there’s special reasons why you’ll have, why you will have something like that. So handgun is there. And a hunting rifle, single shot guns, but other than that, no.

Tucker [01:16:25] Wait, so you’ve been the victim of three farm attacks. They tried to cut your throat. They attacked your wife. They murdered your father-in-law in front of your kids, but you can’t have an AK-47, but they do.

Leon Lotz [01:16:38] No, you’re not allowed. That sounds like America. So if you, if you. Look, I don’t want to shoot anybody. If you do shoot one of those intruders. I can guarantee you a million percent that I will be in jail first. In your house in my own house i can guarantee you that i will sit in jail so you don’t want to shoot them you don’t t even want to point a gun at them then you in big trouble um so they are trying to disarm us now

Tucker [01:17:18] How is this not ethnic cleansing? It sounds like ethnic cleansing to me. If you take one group of people on the basis of the race and say, you can’t defend yourself and then tell everyone else you can rape their wives and murder them, that sounds like, ethnic cleansing.

Leon Lotz [01:17:32] It’s all blamed on the poverty that was caused by me and my friend, Mr. Jan van Riebeek, when he came in in 1625. So, I don’t know how I was communicating with him, probably by WhatsApp, telling him that we are going to destroy South Africa. We are going steal everything. I haven’t got the answer for that. If you, they’re trying to disarm us now, like 100% to take all our firearms away from us that we can’t have licenses. They’re trying their utmost best to disarms us because they are worried that we are going to defend ourselves. We cannot go and defend. You cannot fight an AK-47 with a nine millimeter pistol. No, you can’t. It is impossible. And there is not one farmer in South Africa that wants to murder and shoot people, there’s not one of us. Why would we do that? We need each other, we need to carry on. All we want to do in South African is be at your own business and carry on Why can’t we be safe? Why murder us for the poverty that you as the ANC has caused?

Tucker [01:18:55] How can I be blamed for the poverty? You said you don’t want to shoot anyone. You’re a Christian. You don’t wanna harm other people. And I believe you. How do you think the people who shot your father-in-law felt? Do you think they felt bad about it?

Leon Lotz [01:19:09] No, I don’t think they’d even get nightmares of it How can you murder 23 people and sit and smile when you get to the courtroom? Look me in the eye and grin and provoke me in such a way that I think I’m gonna get a heart attack.

Tucker [01:19:27] He did that to you, the man who raped your wife and shot your father-in-law.

Leon Lotz [01:19:30] Looked at me and smiled at me and other people were sitting next to him. They only caught one of eight. So when you go to court, these people can pick an attorney or an advocate. Also one is being provided to them. I’ve got to sit with the state prosecutor that’s there on the day. So we went to court years after the murder was committed. I don’t know how many years, three, four. So the state prosecutors was a white man. The man that was representing the murderer was also white. The guy on the bench was a white guy. So we don’t have a jury in South Africa in courtrooms. The judge decides by himself. The judges are employed by the president. So they employ their own judges. We’ve got no say about that. So I’ve got to go to court, accept the state prosecutor that’s there. This specific man came, he smelled of alcohol, he was sweating, he was late. And that whole thing that you put over, I don’t know what you call it even, no. He said, we ran into an empty courtroom and he said to me, wife, please tell me what happened at the murder for three, four minutes. Then we walked to court for three days. They took my wife apart inside. At one stage, the guy that was representing, the white man that’s representing this murder wanted to know what they’ve done to her. And she only committed rape to me like three, four years after that. In the meantime, she had a 8 day HIV test with nobody knowing.

Leon Lotz [01:21:33] Waiting if it’s positive or not. And you go through that whole thing in court, so that this man can…

Leon Lotz [01:21:45] You a liar. You get fined and found guilty, I witnessed the body. I got the death certificate. We go to court. You know how many years of my life I’ve lost. Being scared, sitting next to a kitchen table that you can’t even talk, you can say anything. All that’s in your head and your mind is what happened to you. And then this white attorney will tell my wife in court that she is lying. And if everything is finished, and he gets a sentence of 146 years, he gets released after a year. They are telling me now he died, they can’t prove anything to me.

Leon Lotz [01:22:48] So my wife got sick. We got to a professor in

Leon Lotz [01:22:55] They all agreed that the diseases is because of the intense fear that she had experienced. Have fingernails!

Leon Lotz [01:23:07] Started losing from the front to the back. All dead of them That she was in so much pain That she could have deemed herself when she went to the toilet The humiliation in that, for a woman. That if you had to use a head dryer… Blow her hair after she’s washed them, the ones that’s left.

Leon Lotz [01:23:46] Of all the pain because the fingernails are losing because of these diseases. I cannot take my wife. I couldn’t take her to a hospital where I live. There is no hospital left. But the closest one that they could help was in Cape D’Yard, I waited there for three and a half years, maybe more.

Leon Lotz [01:24:15] At one stage, we stayed there for six months and security treatment. She gets chemo. It’s a thing that if you don’t have white blood cells…

Leon Lotz [01:24:33] That you inject, that I had to inject around your navel. They’re called Grustiva, I think. In your hand wise, it’s 1,500 and in injection, so that your body can make white blood cells so that you have an immune system. My medical aid didn’t pay for it. I had a hospital plan. The government doesn’t pay that. I had to pay sixty thousand eight a month.

Leon Lotz [01:25:05] I don’t know how long. To pay for it. But I’m not a medical doctor, but I had to inject myself and to bring that bloody thing there. Tudowu how much space she’s gonna be in for it

Leon Lotz [01:26:34] hours after that and then Saturday she’s better Sunday she’s okay she walks she loves she laughs she tried to cook visit the kids but they morning nine o’clock I’ve got to give that injection all over again There’s been thousands of friends. To try and keep my wealth, get my wife comfortable. If you had treatment for leukemia and all that, then you’ve got to drive back home 800 kilometers. When we had this country, we had hospitals. You couldn’t drive in your own Tian. Two kilometers and you were at a hospital, somebody would have treated you.

Tucker [01:27:23] What happened to the hospital?

Leon Lotz [01:27:25] The hospitals just got destroyed by the ANC government. There’s no hospitals anymore. There is just no head hospitals. It looks like pig’s thighs. You can’t go there. I invite anybody to go to these small towns in between Johannesburg, Durban and those places. Go there and see what happens. See if you’re a patient and you would be treated. Please no hospitals left, Ramaphosa. All these hospitals are gone. Then I had to drive her all the way back home. All the expenses are for me. They murder us, they rape our wives. My daughter had to go through psychiatrist treatment. When a kid is 15 years old and book herself into a hospital where they try and fix your head by herself, you must know a kid he’s in trouble. And she phoned me and said, Dad, I’m here now, I can’t live with myself any longer. She didn’t commit suicide. She wrote a book with poems in her. You read that thing? That’s your own kid. You can’t do anything but cry. And then the whole world comes back and say you lying, you racist bastards, you murdering the black people, that’s why they murder you.

Tucker [01:29:06] They do say that too. That’s what the American media says. Say that all over the world.

Leon Lotz [01:29:13] If you go back to the death certificates, if you go to the investigations that does not happen, we cannot prove that we are getting murdered. There is a genocide going on. If there’s 25,000 or 30,000 of us left, how many more can they murder? Any family in South Africa has got people, family that works overseas or lives or immigrated to Australia, America, New Zealand or England. I don’t know of anybody that hasn’t got family that’s in another country. Are you going to stay? I’ve got to stay. My kids don’t want to go. It’s a beautiful country. We’re trying to fix. We need solutions. We need help. What the solution.

Tucker [01:29:58] Is, I don’t know. But I mean, the intent obviously is to kill you or force you to leave.

Leon Lotz [01:30:08] Yeah, I think we’ll probably see it out until they start taking the farms, taking our property. And then our own agricultural organization, AgriSA, is negotiating with the ANC government. On my behalf of my own property that I worked and paid for without my permission.

Tucker [01:30:38] What do you mean negotiate? What is there to negotiate?

Leon Lotz [01:30:39] They are setting the rules how they can take these farms away. Which farms must be taken? They started that long ago. What is the criteria that they can take your farm away? And then they come back and say, no, it’s not that bad. They won’t just take your form. They can take anything they want. It’s been written in the law books. They can take my car away if they want, without compensation. Be going the same route as I’m about to. But we’ve got to stand up and try and save something. If I can save one daughter and one wife from being raped or to go through witness a body. Go to court if we can pick our own attorneys and our own advocates for the government to pay.

Tucker [01:31:38] They nullgate some way. It doesn’t sound like you can persuade them. I mean, anyone who would allow this to happen is evil and isn’t open to reason or negotiation. I look sense the best.

Leon Lotz [01:31:56] Similarly, what I was taught is they are not negotiable. They are not. It’s impossible to negotiate with them. They ran to Russia when there was a apartheid system in place. They ran to Russia, to Lebanon, and wherever. Where did they run to? Probably Iran also.

Leon Lotz [01:32:30] We’ve got nowhere to run.

Leon Lotz [01:32:35] If I can plead with the United States government, whoever they will be, I don’t care. I’ve got to stand up for my own family. I cannot stand up to the Cape Flats, or for we ever. We’ve gotten into a situation that I’ve got to stand up for my own family. It came as close as that. I’ve gotta stand up for my kids, my own grandchildren around me, they’ll get.

Tucker [01:32:58] It sounds like you will.

Leon Lotz [01:33:02] I made that decision already.

Leon Lotz [01:33:05] I’ve lost. The love of my life that I was beaten.

Leon Lotz [01:33:09] Worth of 37 years. My whole family has been destroyed. This is stolen like 10 years of my life when I started chewing horses. I was so excited when I put the first money down to buy a farm. I cannot explain this to you. When I had ten goats and five sheep. That was the best thing in the world that happened to me. I’ve rolled it up in such a way that we can live. Now, I’ve got to give it away for free. They tell me I stole it. And because there’s sovereignty in this government and they can make laws to punish Jan van Riebeuk. I came back, I keep on coming back to the same thing because the intelligence that’s in this Government is of such that that’s the only thing they’ve got. I cannot be blamed for the poverty that’s there. That’s not my doing. I’m making a contribution as is all my fellow farmers in South Africa. Towards poverty. But we cannot look after the millions that’s coming as illegal immigrants into this country. That is the government’s job, not us. And from taking my farm away and murdering me is not going to solve the problem. Malema can scream whatever he wants. He’s got no brains at all or any intelligence. To plant corn tomorrow morning or to farm with cattle or do whatever it is. They will die of hunger if we are not there. They will.

Tucker [01:35:03] So, over all of this is a government and a judicial system that is ignoring what’s happening. Judges seem to refuse to bring any of the perpetrators to justice. Who appoints the judges?

Leon Lotz [01:35:21] I said we look up not there I’m not a state president or something, but the state president has got the say and Malema is also on this board or whatever that decides. Truly is Malema. Who the judges will be.

Tucker [01:35:37] So so for people who don’t follow South African politics, Julie Smolliam is has been the head of something called the economic freedom fighters, correct?

Leon Lotz [01:35:44] Yeah, he’s the head of the Economic Freedom Fighters, he is the one that sings the song Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer. Yes.

Tucker [01:35:49] He is a kind of Al Sharpton of South Africa, open racist, open anti-white racist, calling for violence against whites. But he has been portrayed as an opponent of the ANC, the ruling party. But how is he appointing judges?

Leon Lotz [01:36:07] I, I think Malema, my personal opinion is Malema is just the front. Um, Malema he’s heart and soul working for Ramaphosa for the ANC. Yeah. Heart and soul, I mean, everything points to it.

Tucker [01:36:22] Yeah, it seems obvious even from here watching.

Leon Lotz [01:36:27] I was lucky enough that I was in a proper school and I was at university when it was still there. Although I studied agriculture, I don’t think I’m that brain dead that I can’t see it. Yes. There’s an attorney in Cape Town, Milly Wesley, that’s found him guilty on hate speech. They’ve gone to court the other day again. He’s supposed to be in jail. Nothing is happening to him. He’s been found guilty of firing off the firearm where 80,000, 90,000 people were sitting in public. He’s not in jail.” If I point a water pistol that I buy from the local shop where they sell bread that kids play with, that will be plastic and neon green in color, if I point that, play gun at you. You will end up in jail. I know this because my son-in-law played with a airgun with a man of color. A BB gun and unfortunately pushed his limits and shot the man on his leg. He ended up almost in jail. He got a fine of a hundred thousand rand. Um and a suspension on

Leon Lotz [01:38:09] his job for 6 months. And rate. How can we sort out your own problems? How many times did we speak to this government? How many time did you pry? The court doesn’t even help you. How can you sort out you own problems and be sovereign like this new president came here over the weekend or when did he comes here? Did he come here, the one in South Africa? That says they must not be sanctions against their visums. How is that possible that they can judge themselves the right to have people murdered all the time? Stand in front of the whole world and sing, kill the boer, kill the farmer. Fire off a rifle, you employ the judges, you the Julius Malema with

Leon Lotz [01:40:07] He’s on the boat. Nothing happens to you. There’s no statistic

Leon Lotz [01:40:14] it doesn’t make sense at all. I mean… And how is this possible? The only way that we can stop this is, these politicians cannot have all the power. They cannot have the power, the only way we will survive is somewhere along the line. There’s got to be self-governance. Like we’ve got a place there called Urania. It’s people that’s got a normal farm and the other side of Hopetown in the Northern Cape, that started. And made a massive success of this farm. Now the ANC and Malema is going for them all the way because it’s the nicest.

Tucker [01:40:59] These are people who’ve destroyed every institution in your country, from the power grid to the schools to the hospitals, governance itself, the courts, none of it works. The murder rate’s out of control. The rape rate is the highest on the planet, and now they’re murdering Afrikaans-speaking peoples and stealing their farms. So on what basis can they say you don’t have a right to have your own community? I don’t understand.

Leon Lotz [01:41:27] I can’t answer you on that also.

Tucker [01:41:30] It does sound kind of familiar as an American, I have to say.

Leon Lotz [01:41:34] All I know is, uh… For the sake of Jan van Riebeeck and the poverty in the country. I can promise you, if we were governing that place, the poverty would have been not like it is now. But I can’t be blamed for that. But I don’t want to be a state president. All I want to do is I want be a farmer. As an agronomist, I can make a contribution to my fellow farmers because, I come back to that, we do have the best farmers in the world.

Leon Lotz [01:42:20] We are Christian people. Your farmers has got integrity. To be still farming in South Africa if you if you don’t have integrity. You can’t produce food because financially we don’t get anything. You’ve got to do everything by yourself to harvest 16 and 18 tons of corn, 8 tons of wheat or 10 tons of weed. 80 between 200 tons of potatoes. On citrus I can’t, I don’t know the facts, I’m not a, I only have the knowledge about trees and all that, but. How can they not see that the South African farmer is making a contribution to South Africa?

Tucker [01:43:15] Well of course they can see it and that’s why they hate you. Godspeed, Ms. Lotz. Thank you very much for spending all this time and for recounting what you did.

Leon Lotz [01:43:26] That’s a privilege and we do appreciate it. You don’t know how we wish that we could just live in peace together. There’s enough farms for everybody to buy. Buy them and farm them. The government has got enough money. We’ve got enough knowledge as white farmers to set people up and start farming. Thank you very much.