Pornography on tap is a reality of the Internet age. A particularly dehumanizing subset — for everyone involved — is interracial pornography, especially the black-male-on-white-female variety. Whoever produces this stuff should hang from a high tree. It may be one issue upon which white advocates, feminists and even some multiculturalists could agree.
This form of porn is a truly brutal attack on the white psyche. What our enemies seek for our race literally is concentrated symbolically here: our race dominated, disgraced, humiliated; its gene flow blocked. It sickens the heart.
Just ask this female judge from Canada, whose white lawyer husband apparently thought it would be cute to offer her up for sexual domination by a black client.
It’s not clear to me what the extent of her own involvement is, or whether the black man’s allegations are true. I am assuming the basic facts are true: that the white husband wanted his white wife to be ravaged by this black man.
According to the news accounts, the white man, one Jack King, was “depressed” as this all unfolded. I think his mental state is something else: perfectly in line with the way our enemies want white men to think.
Jack King and his wife, Lori Douglas, are presumably a very powerful couple in Canadian society. (Though King no longer appears on his firm’s website)
And this is how they think. It says a lot about the state of the West that the power elite spend their time seeking out interracial three-ways. I feel safe in assuming that they aren’t rushing off to American Renaissance conferences or otherwise concerned about the fate of their race.
And I don’t have to tell Canadian white activists what the Canadian judiciary is up to otherwise. To the point: hammering away at free speech, free association and other rights. I note one lawyer who is standing up to that: Douglas Christie.
Whites need to reject the likes of Jack King and Lori Douglas, and affirm the Doug Christies.
Facing the Future as a Minority
Was the Immigration Act of 1924 Illiberal?
Chris said:
“This form of porn is a truly brutal attack on the white psyche.”
The porn part, the interracial part, or both? If you control for any shock due to the explicit engagement itself, how much of any remaining shock is attributable to the difference in races of the people engaged?
“What our enemies seek for our race literally is concentrated symbolically here: our race dominated, disgraced, humiliated; its gene flow blocked.”
If this were about black-on-white rape of a woman of childbearing age, you’d be right.
In this case, however, the older, probably postmenopausal white judge, who was unlikely to have any ova left to flow her genes anymore, and the black man were asked to engage in a consensual act. Any “domination” involved would have been play acting. Are white adults or any others who look at this material unable to appreciate that this would not have been genuine humiliation?
Chris, your writing is excellent, but perhaps you’ve given too little credit to white intelligence here.
‘A particularly dehumanizing subset — for everyone involved — is interracial pornography, especially the black-male-on-white-female variety.’
OK. You are a scientist, so let’s be scientific about this topic. Do we have an instinct to favor our own ethnic group and unthinkingly destroy any perceived “threat”? Perhaps, but are we blind slaves to our instincts? No, as we have consciousness and in some cases even high intelligence.
That said, how does interracial porn harm our ethnic genetic interests as Whites?
Does it encourage interracial sex? Contrary to common belief, women are visually stimulated. I do know of white women who watch the BM-WM interracial porn. Yet in every case they were already inclined to have sex with black men – not because they wanted a mixed-race brood, but rather for the fun of it. Which brings us to another point: when miscegenation leads neither to STDs (thanks to protection) nor mixed-race children (thanks to contraception), rationally, why should it be illegal? Should same-sex miscegenation – which can never produce mixed-race offspring – be illegal? There is no scientifically or rationally or empirically supportable point to doing so.
Yet even if we accept for the sake of argument that BM-WM sex must all be prevented, it is unlikely that interracial porn is much of a causal factor. More generally, the power of the Jewish media to mold and remold minds is likely overestimated. Our personalities and preferences, including morality, are overwhelmingly based in genetics. Even parenting, per se, has remarkably little effect on how children ultimately turn out as teenagers and adults. For a through exposition of the evidence I recommend *The limits of family influence: genes, experience, and behavior* By David C. Rowe.
If a woman is not already predisposed in some way to look at interracial porn, she’s unlikely to seek it out. If, say, her husband shows her interracial porn, it’s unlikely to turn her into a fan of mandingos unless she was already so inclined. On the other hand, most black men probably are strongly inclined to desire sex with white women, so much that interracial porn probably will not make it any more likely.
Allow me to also note that there are Jewish actors and actresses “dehumanized” in this pornography, yet Jews manage to not only survive but dominate way out of proportion to their numbers. Likewise, there are virtually no Jews in Japan, yet their pornography is even viler than most Jewish pornography, including themes of scat, violence, and blatant degradation. I have reviewed the empirical data, and porn consumption is far more connected with inhibition and repression (e.g., strengthens the “forbidden fruit” appeal; people are more likely to be lonely and without healthy relationships involving real people, etc.) than with the presence of Jews. It’s easy to become obsessed with Jews so much that one loses perspective. Reality check: Saudi Arabia has no Jews, yet it is legal there to rape little girls as long as this takes place within marriage. Can hardly blame the Jews, but it doesn’t sound any less degenerate to me!
I fail to see how a man can be thought of as powerful when his wife is being fucked by someone else. Perhaps someone could explain this to me.
Is Jack King Jewish? From what I know, King is a jewy sort of name.
Well documented here -porn was explicitly seen by jews as a way of destroying gentile societies. And they have succeeded.
Don’t expect feminist support – anymore than you do on the increasing number of women wearing burkhas – feminism is dominated by jews and they know the ‘big picture’ that feminism is just a weapon in the arsenal to destroy western society. if another weapon is better they won’t stand in the line of fire.
Porn is a canary in the coalmine. Visit ANY site and you will see a menu which accurately reflects the degeneration of our culture: Gay/Sodomy, Voyeurism, Inter-racial, Amateur, “Young,” etc. All of these have been successfully translated to SFW prime time in a variety of Mudvision shows by our friends in Hollywood.
If you want to see where the culture is going, watch porn
If you want to see where the economy is going, watch health care.
This story is being played out all over by these people’s lessers.
You can touch the sickness. Put on your seat-belt.
Mike
and for those who think porn is harmless or we are being ‘puritanical’ – it is tapping into one of the strongest impulses known to man – as addictive as any illegal drug – and as damaging.
Even Christian communities are struggling with this since it is EVERYWHERE now – and exposure is as close as a mouse click away (vs the old days were social stigma and zoning made it hard to access. – you had to ;walk in ‘ to an ‘adult’ book store. )
After reading the link about the judge, I actually feel kind of sorry for the black guy, and respect him for finding the whole proposition repugnant. I don’t know if it was the interracial aspect that was distasteful to him or the domination or the extra-marital aspect, but it doesn’t matter. This was pure white sickness at work here. And self-hatred, on a whole lot of different levels
That’ll teach me to feel sorry for a black guy….I just read he’s suing the judge and her husband for $67 million, so he’s liable to claim anything.
It’s sad that Canada has gone from being a healthy White country—to Asian weird in 50 or so years. :(
Pornography on tap is a reality of the Internet age.
chris,
I know this was just an aside but ,I think this is as ‘defeatist’ as ‘you can’t control our borders ‘ or ‘globalization is inevitable’ – we all know how swiftly anything adovcating violent WN for example, gets shut down by the government – how quickly blogger and wordpress delete WN blogs – even non violent ones -at the same time, allow gay porn blogs – widespread pornography has certainly been facilitated by the internet but the main ‘enabler’ was the values of the hostile elite – it is quite clear they see it as highly valuable in destroying whats left of the west.
The Jewish dominated porn industry loves to create this type of white husband humiliated scenario.
The anger in the Jewish mind knows no bounds when it comes to getting back at white males.
The never ending ESPN Tiger Woods love affair is another example of this. Woods has crapped out all year at the major tournaments and all ESPN covers is how he is how did Woods do.
The white males that are actually winning these golf majors are simply just an afterthought for Jewish run ESPN. Sometimes they will not even mention who won at all.
Thats pornographic in its own right
Edmund Connely if you read this you should do an article on this. It is so blatant now I always bring this up when at a sports bar or restaurant and ESPN of course is always on in these places.
ESPN is run by a Jew named George Bodenheimer.:
George W. Bodenheimer
Co-Chairman, Disney Media Networks and President, ESPN, Inc. and ABC Sports
http://corporate.disney.go.com/corporate/bios/george_bodenheimer.html
The first thing that strikes me is that this is pretty tame stuff compared to what’s out there. Believe it or not, there are even matchmaking forums dedicated to hooking up White women with negroes in order to impregnate them. This overlaps somewhat with the White cuckold theme you are bringing up here. But unlike the Canadian judge, a good many of those women are young, fertile, and even attractive. Just think! For the married White cuckold, having his White wife give birth to a negroid monstrosity and then enjoying the humiliation of appearing with it in public for the next 20 years or so, doting over it himself and watching his wife dote over it, working like a slave to pay for its upkeep, etc., must be the ultimate high.
But of course, egalitarian White men (i.e., the vast majority of White men) have been enjoying this sort of pleasure for decades now. They really love it. A movie like “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner?”(1967) thrilled these wannabe cuckolds all over the Western world. The more egalitarian the White man, the better he likes seeing White women cavort with other races, especially negroes. Then he can get the thrill of patting himself on the back for his broadmindedness and lack of “bigotry”, and that’s what he lives for. This kind of White masochism is everywhere nowadays. How many White men thought themselves immensely superior to bigots and racists because they could look at the sight of negro golfer Tiger Woods with his arm around Elin Nordgren without wanting to throw up? How many Germans enjoy the cuckold’s thrill when they read the latest about Heidi Klum and Seal in Bild? It’s the same thing, really. In fact, the softer stuff is more harmful. More people see it, and it influences a larger number of people to emulate such racially suicidal conduct.
Another thing that is worse than mere interracial pornography, even interracial cuckold pornography, is popular dance music, such as that of Madonna, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, and Lady GaGa. These performers have been role models for generations of White girls, relentlessly and with great dedication preaching the joys of race-mixing and White death. Madonna, Spears, and Aguilera have proved the sincerity of their commitment to White genocide by producing non-White offspring; the former with a latrino and the last two with Jews. All four of them do nothing, and have done nothing, but constantly encourage White girls from pre-school on up to be sure to make themselves sexually receptive to whatever non-White chances across their path with a need to dump his genetic sewage. But Lady GaGa is only 24, the rising star in this quartet of whores. No negroid monstrosities have yet issued from her womb, but it’s virtually guaranteed they will come in a few years. To prove it, take a look at the lyrics to one of her most popular songs. (I even heard this one playing as Muzak in a Walmart today!)
Let’s have some fun, this beat is sick
I wanna take a ride on your disco stick
Let’s have some fun, this beat is sick
I wanna take a ride on your disco stick
I wanna kiss you
But if I do then I might miss you, babe
It’s complicated and stupid
Got my ass squeezed by sexy Cupid
Guess he wants to play, wants to play
A love game, a love game
Hold me and love me
Just wanna touch you for a minute
Maybe three seconds is enough
For my heart to quit it
Let’s have some fun, this beat is sick
I wanna take a ride on your disco stick
Don’t think too much just bust that stick
I wanna take a ride on your disco stick
Let’s play a love game, play a love game
Do you want love or you want fame?
Are you in the game? Doin’ the love game
Let’s play a love game, play a love game
Do you want love or you want fame?
Are you in the game? Doin’ the love game
I’m on a mission
And it involves some heavy touching, yeah
You’ve indicated your interest, I’m educated in sex, yes
And now I want it bad, want it bad
A love game, a love game
Hold me and love me
Just want touch you for a minute
Maybe three seconds is enough
For my heart to quit it
Let’s have some fun, this beat is sick
I wanna take a ride on your disco stick
Don’t think too much just bust that stick
I wanna take a ride on your disco stick
Let’s play a love game, play a love game
Do you want love or you want fame?
Are you in the game? Doin’ the love game
Let’s play a love game, play a love game
Do you want love or you want fame?
Are you in the game? Doin’ the love game
I can see you staring there from across the block
With a smile on your mouth and your hand on your huh!
The story of us, it always starts the same
With a boy and a girl and a huh and a game
And a game, and a game, and a game, a love game
Let’s play a love game, play a love game
Do you want love or you want fame?
Are you in the game? Doin’ the love game
Let’s play a love game, play a love game
Do you want love or you want fame?
Are you in the game? Doin’ the love game
Let’s play a love game, play a love game
Do you want love or you want fame?
Are you in the game?
(Let’s have some fun, this beat is sick)
Doin’ the love game
(I wanna take a ride on your disco stick)
Let’s play a love game, play a love game
Do you want love or you want fame?
Are you in the game?
(Don’t think too much just bust that stick)
Doin’ the love game
(I wanna take a ride on your disco stick)
Doin’ the love game
I will take the liberty of translating some of the ebonics here. “Sick” means what used to be called “cool”. It’s a word of praise. Yes, it’s a good thing to be sick! That’s the lesson. “Game” is what is practiced in order insert the disco stick into the White maiden’s tender loins, which she, of course, wants desperately. Three guesses as to what the disco stick is, and what color it is supposed to be. If you guess anything but black or brown, you’re wrong. This is racial death, to a catchy disco beat. It’s the beat that young White girls are dancing to, all over the land. Egalitarian White men are cuckolded every time the song plays, and they love it too.
It’s not just the internet. A belief in egalitarianism + the technology to bring it about = racial death for Whites.
Relax, white ladies, things ain’t so bad…
http://whiterevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/rape-scaryblackdude-233×300.jpg
White women being groomed for lesbianism.
http://www.henrymakow.com/my_story_young_women_in_death.html
The object of the Enemy is to decrease the pool of white women available to white men, driving them to seek solace in pornography. (This in turn is highly lucrative to the pornographers, i.e., organized Jewry, which, as we all know, dominate the porn industry worldwide.)
Lesbianism is being made increasingly trendy to young women, thanks to the influence of various female celebrities who are photographed kissing other women on the lips or otherwise boasting of their bisexuality.
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As for Interracial porn?, let it be stated categorically that:
(1) As a rule, all races find members of their own race more sexually attractive than members of other races. This is a fact that can be empirically verified.
(2) White men seldom find black women sexually attractive unless they are partly white or exceptionally attractive in a statuesque and animalistic way. Even then, if they had to choose, they would rather spend the night with a stunningly attractive white woman than a stunningly attractive black one.
(3) When white women make a point of seeking out black men for sex, it is almost always the result of a fetish they have developed. In other words, it is an aberration.
Krafft-Ebing gives an example of an Italian (19c) who was sexually attracted to women disfugured with small pox. This is because he had slept with various prostitutes so disfigured in some epidemic or other. I know of a one-legged prostitute in my area who never lacks for customers, whereas her biped sisters are always busy soliciting for custom. In precisely the same way, there are white women who have developed a fetish for black men. I don’t think it is at all normal.
(4) Statistics show that white women are now being raped by black men in increasingly large numbers. Interracial porn sites, aimed entirely at black men and designed to whet their appetites for white female flesh, are a definite factor in promoting black-on-white rape.
Many of these sites are set up and run by Jews, the object clearly being to stir up black hatred against Whites.
When a black man rapes a white woman, it can indeed be because he finds her sexually irresistible — especially if she flaunts herself before him in a taunting and inflammatory way. But almost all black-on-white rapes are acts of violence stemming from race hatred. It is the black man exacting his revenge against Whitey for centuries of oppression. As one black man told me when I questioned him on this issue during a survey: “Honey, it’s payback time!”
I have read numerous cases on the internet (providing actual photos of the victims) in which frail white women in their eighties have been raped by black men. And other cases, equally as numerous, in which children as young as four and five have been kidnapped by black men and savagely raped. (Needless to say, all this is kept out of the sanitzed Jew-owned mass media).
These intergenerational black-on-white rapes cannot be due to sexual passion or lust — especially, I would imagine, in the case of decrepit octogenarian women. The predominant emotion here has to be rage against the white man. Pure hatred and a burning desire for revenge.
The question is: does the black man know that organized Jewry is the shit stirrer? the formenter of his lust and race hatred? his secret tormentor?
I don’t think he does, the poor sap. One has to feel extremely sorry for him.
Xanadu
(aka Lasha Darkmoon)
Sorry, that should be “fomentor”. (Not “formentor”). These typos are so annoying — wish one had a way of correcting them.
White Angel,
What KMac should do is analyze what everyone here calls “whites” on an evolutionarily psychological level. While a reader and admirer of his work for a long, long time, it’s hard not to notice that he (admittedly) took a turn in Culture of Critique, and now writes about Jews negatively, without the detachment of science. Evolutionary struggle can’t boil down into “good guys” vs. “bad guys” at the scholarly level. Sure, they’ve devastated our communities, culture, and people, but a certain sickness in our people facilitates this, perhaps even initiates it.
It must be pointed out that whites are some of the most depraved, disgusting people in the world. In that porn world you mention, no race is as loathsome as the whites. Native peoples the world round have for more than a century now been shocked by the actions of this “race”.
We must try to see things differently – Jews do what they do because they can. Well, why can they? It is the hollow and manipulable white (ower case letter, no true identifier for himself) that allows the Jew (uppercase letter, identity built-in) to corrupt him. Analyze him KMac, with the same dismay that I do.
Is King a jew, perhaps? Don’t see too many white, Gentile lawyers or judges for that matter.
Nonsense, fgh.
Smut is a predominantly Jewish enterprise, and in this alone, we see the clear moral inferiority of the Jews. To use pornography as they are using it, for the dual purpose of profiteering and fueling cultural Marxism, is utterly contemptible…not only because it mirrors the age-old fact that Jews are typically major proprietors of hard and soft-core porn and white slavery, but because it is clearly being applied in a spirit of virulent loathing for Christianity, Christian values, and race-hatred against Whites.
True, many Whites have been sucked in as “clients”…but not that many, and most of those who have been hooked would probably have remained on the straight and narrow without Jew-driven cultural erosion. Porn is quite lucrative, but so is dealing heroin, and the White majority plainly goes for neither.
As far as concerns a statement like “whites are some of the most depraved, disgusting people in the world”, where the hell does something like that even come from?
Did you mean “Jews are some of the most depraved, disgusting people in the world”? If so, you should do a little reading – Jews hold themselves apart from the rest of humanity, both genetically and religiously.
Please, try to cultivate a little awareness.
@ eurodele
”Smut” is only a predominantly Jewish enterprise in the sense that it’s Jews that collect most of the profits from it, but the overwhelming majority of performers in this profession are white Europeans. Indeed, it is no surprise that Jews run the porn industry seeing how in the past they practically had a monopoly on brothels in the great European cities. But the reason Jews could and can continue to develop and maintain these ”industries” is the fantastic European demand for them.
”True, many Whites have been sucked in as “clients”…but not that many, and most of those who have been hooked would probably have remained on the straight and narrow without Jew-driven cultural erosion. Porn is quite lucrative, but so is dealing heroin, and the White majority plainly goes for neither.”
That’s a very strange statement you make. It’s in the same line as claiming that one would not have committed a rape or murder if he had not crossed paths with a potential victim.
In stead of focusing your attention on the moral bankruptcy of Western people you waste your time condemning a random demonstration of it.
As for your claim that most White people tend to refuse to make use of these little services, well, it’s just laughable. They may not be very popular with people in their 70s or 80s, but most are very popular with an overwhelming majority of Europeans, especially young adults.
”As far as concerns a statement like “whites are some of the most depraved, disgusting people in the world”, where the hell does something like that even come from?”
He was quite right writing that too. Most of the peoples of the world tend to not share the liberal views of most whites, and tend to regard some of our practices, particularly pornography, as repulsive. Oh, some of these ”industries” have flourished on non-white lands too, but the reason for that was the demand from western invaders, or, more recently, tourists.
And if you take some time to investigate pornographic materials, you’ll see that it’s indeed white performers, particularly white women, that do some of the more grotesque things put on film, including the now almost mandatory ass-to-mouth, courtesy of a black male co-star.
”Smut” is only a predominantly Jewish enterprise in the sense that it’s Jews that collect most of the profits from it, but the overwhelming majority of performers in this profession are white Europeans. Indeed, it is no surprise that Jews run the porn industry seeing how in the past they practically had a monopoly on brothels in the great European cities. But the reason Jews could and can continue to develop and maintain these ”industries” is the fantastic European demand for them.
Jewish smut is mainly marketed to European and American Whites (that’s the majority of the market being targeted), so of course most of it is consumed by those groups. Jewish producers seek White performers for the simple reason that Whites are more attractive to their majority clientele than Jews or other non-Whites, and that’s “good for sales”.
“That’s a very strange statement you make. It’s in the same line as claiming that one would not have committed a rape or murder if he had not crossed paths with a potential victim.”
A very poor analogy. We’re not just talking about the creation of opportunities for debauchery, but the deliberate systematic erosion of White Christian values and moral fiber (resistance to degenerate influences).
“Most of the peoples of the world tend to not share the liberal views of most whites, and tend to regard some of our practices, particularly pornography, as repulsive.”
You’re making the same basic error as fgh. That a minority of Whites inevitably consume some of the porn that is constantly shoved in their faces by the Jews among them says nothing of the inherent preferences or moral proclivities of the typical White person.
Thank you for making that clear, Ionut. The inability to accurately see things for what they are, as exemplified by Eurodele, is epidemic here and on many other “pro-white” sites. “White” as a category is ridiculously broad, and includes some of the most vile creatures crawling around this planet. Girls fucking horses, getting gangbanged by thirteen blacks, drinking semen from champagne glasses, getting fucked in barrels, being pisssed on – whites seem to have a lock on such things. The sub-Saharan African so frequently mocked, the evil Arab Muslim, the horrible Orthodox Jew – these are decidedly underrepresented.
We all know about Jews as slavers, as pimps, and as pornographers, roles they’ve filled forever. It disgusts us. But what’s more disgusting to me is people who are somehow connected to me facilitating the process. So Jews bought up the kids from the Children’s Crusade and sold them, right? Well why were so many shitbag Europeans letting their helpless offspring wander off to fight Turks in Asia? Only when we fix ourselves can we complain about “what’s being done to us”. These complaints are those of the eternal, passive weakling.
Please read my response to Ionut.
The “typical white person” is a pathetic, toadying, PC tool, materialistic, shallow, and intellectually barren. It doesn’t matter how much you idealize them, or put your racially aware self in their shoes, the reality says otherwise. You wouldn’t be skulking about on a message board anonymously if there were so many virtuous whites.
White Christian values, LOL. “Christian” values are whatever those who have power say they are. I can walk down the street right now and choose from any fucking church on the block and I guarantee their stated values and yours, if you’re a WN, are not only different, but opposite.
An Arab Christian has healthier “values” than a “White” Christian.
Pardon me, but either you’re arguing for the sheer thrill of it, or you’re just another White victim of Jewish efforts to falsely portray White people as deserving of cultural and genetic annihilation.
As far as I’m concerned, you can take it on the road with the rest of the Hebraic carpetbaggers we suffer here in North America. By that, I mean, why don’t you skedaddle on over to a repressive theocracy like Saudi Arabia and preach the moral inferiority of White Americans over there?
I’m sure they’d love to hear what you have to say…provided, that is, that you’re not Jewish.
@ eurodele
‘The only one that’s making errors here is you. You admit that you’re aware that Europeans have all sort of grotesque practices ”constantly showed in their faces” by Jews, yet claim that this fact says nothing of the ”inherent preferences or moral proclivities of the typical White person.”
You are wrong my friend! This says everything about Europeans. The fact that they remain silent and a strong number of Europeans actively encourage these things to continue says everything there is to be said.
I can think of no other lands very Jews would be allowed to ”constantly” continue to promote these suicidal, degrading messages and practices.
As others have noted in the comments section of this blog, there is something inherently wrong with Europeans, making them oppose self-preserving practices.
You’ll never see a Korean side with a Negro against a fellow Korean. You’ll never see an Arab side with a European against a fellow Arab.
What you will see on a daily basis is back-stabbing Europeans.
I’d think that the various indigenous of this land would refer to you as a “carpetbagger”. Does that mean they’re going to somehow get you to leave?
Can’t waste time arguing with sixty-year olds with one foot in the Glenn Beck Rally and the other in a 1953 Levittown.
“I can think of no other lands very Jews would be allowed to ”constantly” continue to promote these suicidal, degrading messages and practices.”
Obviously, that’s because no other country had a political system open enough, or an immigration policy “compassionate” enough, to permit a wholesale political and economic takeover by the hostile aliens of International Jewry, Inc.
Tell the truth: are you even a (non-Jewish) White person at all? And if so, have you ever bothered to actually read anything written by (e.g.) Professor MacDonald?
If so, I’m afraid none of it stuck.
BTW, it’s not just (white) Jews saying white (non-Jewish) people are deserving of cultural and genetic annihilation – it’s Nature. In the coldness of evolution – a very different world than the Christian happy or sad afterlife land – whatever is being annihilated is deserving of annihilation. And don’t worry – your “good” genes, to put it crudely, are being preserved in Jews, your “bad” ones in assorted others, per those interracial pregnancy sites mentioned by the White Angel a bit back. So buck up!
I am white and non-Jewish and of Mr. MacDonald’s books I’ve only read [i]The Culture of Critique[/i].
I keep the scholarship of Mr. MacDonald in high regard, but I admit that not all of his claims stuck.
The claims of another man have stuck, and, coincidently, I’ve come in contact with them through Mr. MacDonald’s writings. I’m talking about those of Wilhelm Marr.
Perhaps you should read them too:
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Marr-Text-English.pdf
I’ll follow your link and read it when I have a bit more time, Ionut.
As for the aggressively discombobulated fgh: So then, you – very possibly an argumentative little Jew – are in cahoots with “Nature” against the White Devil. How enlightening!
I.e., how surprising it is to discover that the forum is positively overrun with you strange little creatures. (I wonder … could this be what it means to “get close to ‘Nature’”? I certainly hope not.)
But then again, maybe it’s not so surprising after all…
Tell the truth, Ionut – are you a beer and non-Lowenbrau too? Are you an automobile and non-Porsche too?
Eurodele – like many “whites” – is only able to hazily define himself by the broadest of categories, and then within that category, by what he IS NOT. That is a lack of identity, a lack of brand. Albanian, for instance, is infinitely greater than “white”.
Yep, anyone who points out such things is a Jew. It’s easy for White Christians. T’was the ridiculous Devil at one point, now the Jew. Stay in your rut, old fellow. Shouting will help you climb out of it.
I note that you’ve stopped well short of disavowing your people, fgh. But the question remains: is that a good thing, or a bad thing?
Only time will tell.
Donovan says:
This form of porn is a truly brutal attack on the white psyche. What our enemies seek for our race literally is concentrated symbolically here: our race dominated, disgraced, humiliated; its gene flow blocked. It sickens the heart.
You want to see something sick, a true genetic pornography attack on the white race? This is freedom of speech or art or what ever?
I warn you! This is very foul.
http://www.wifewriting.com/tour/
Some where one of the pictures says “black baby maker.”
So few people understand what is going on. No, of course this
is not racism.
of course the jewish(Zionist) as a centered and perceived by themselves as a special group among all others are fully sponsible for these kind of enterprise..of course they utterly dispise you…of course they are exploiting any normal and healty desire that emanates from our nature to turn you in a weak and ill people..they have only to turn you in a less capable society .. …they HATE everything related to the white civilization… .they hate the whites until the last atom in their bodies..and they do hate you, not because you are christians…this is an illusion that you guys pull out of the closet for your own consumption…..they hate you because you are a western civilization popped up from their major and disgusting opponents…the real inventors of the modern and enlightened civilization… the GREEK ..that old and undeniable machine that spread the basis to all logic and scientific reasoning that enabled the man to push every boundary ….this was the main driven force that made the radical tinking in the jewish heart to bleed every time they had to copple with the deep and terrible thinking that invaded all the known old world…the way of the greeks that is the root problem that they are trying to get rid off…when all possible dissenting voice that can emerge from a greek thinking womb are virtuallly destroyed…unfortunatlyyou ignore the deepness of such hatred to the old greek thinking and do not know the imense entangled struggle that the middle aged jewish had within their own culture when they were massively exposed to the deep GREEK thinking in the Islamic World in the so called middle ages…there rely the answer to their anxious reaction today..there rely the most enduring and horrible transfiguration of the old bible recycled to be the Talmud …because the Talmud was written in the middle of the Greco-Islamic intertwinned achievements ..and THEY DID NOT LIKE what they felt…they did not like the possible outcomes…which are the vanishing of all their self centered exclusivity in a large and wholly greek world..unified by the pervasive law of the greek thinking…so they have to stick with the fight against the main group that can keep on the old ways..that it is you guys…and they are not going to stop…they hate everything that can destroy their core belifes…which is precisly the greek philosophy..allthe babble that others are now crticizing you for ..are misleading you…they turned you in voracious consumers of all the gabage that they could produce in all the entertainment business to lure you from your powerful ancestry to turn you in a weak and docile group manipulated and weakened by offering you all the escape thing that could wake you up…this is the bottom base idea….not only destroy your puritanism by depicting as a retrograde thing but stimulating your bestiality into the extreme and profiting from that…sorry but you are going to wake up sooner or later and it is not going to be refreshing…
“the Jewish dominated porn industry”!?
Ok, please, just this once, back up your Weimaresque allegations. Can you produce any evidence of Jewish dominance.
Engle,
Three guesses as to what the disco stick is, and what color it is supposed to be. If you guess anything but black or brown, you’re wrong.
I don’t doubt that blacks use the term but I can find no reference to a disco stick being black or brown only.
Do you have any history of usage to show this belief?
AngryJew says:
September 3, 2010 at 2:03 PM
“the Jewish dominated porn industry”!?
Ok, please, just this once, back up your Weimaresque allegations. Can you produce any evidence of Jewish dominance.
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How about this:
Here is the classic exposé by Dr Nathan Abrams, Jewish professor of American history at Aberdeen University, and a world authority on Jewish dominance of the porn industry. His essay was originally published in the Jewish Quarterly which has since discreetly suppressed it. As a result, it is now only available on secondary sites like David Irving’s:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/BoD/origins/porn_industry.html
See also here:
http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/real_freedom/Propaganda/New_World_Order/jewish_dominance_in_porn.htm
http://www.nogw.com/download2/%5E8_j_dom_porn.pdf
And if that isn’t enough, here are a few more articles:
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=jews+dominate+world+porn+industry
@ Anon
The term implicitly points to non-whites males.
The whole song is basically an ode to the exotic rhythm that non-white males naturally possess.
As the media has pointed out so many times, white males can’t dance.
Ok, good answer.
I will have to see if I can hear it myself.
thanks
@ all
More, directed at young whites. I can’t understand a word of it but I know what it means. This stuff is nothing but interracial porn soft.
Can’t find anything on production and Carlito
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpZuaKW4TYU
“I note that you’ve stopped well short of disavowing your people, fgh.”
They’re your people, old timer. My people began to unravel just as they were being reborn, five hundred years ago. My people butchered each other across the motherland for a fucking Hebrew story. My people died in Kwa in the 1860s. My people were shot down across southern Africa at the end of the nineteenth century. My people were slaughtered on the fields of Europe ninety years ago, murdered in Ukraine and Russia shortly thereafter, and wiped out completely in 45.
Disavowing reactionary dudes like you or blue-eyed cum-covered sluts or douchebags talking about the “big game” or feminist community college professors or war mongering murderers eager to blow up the families of people thousands of miles away who’ve never done them harm or liberation theologists in Sudan or a thousand other categories is no more disavowing “my” people than a woman who refuses to call her vomit her child.
I don’t have a people anymore, old fellow.
“Can you produce any evidence of Jewish dominance.”
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
The animal lust unrestrained by religion leads to all manner of perversity and all manner of degradation. All White regeneration and rebirth hinges upon moral regeneration, which hinges upon religious regeneration.
“They’re your people, old timer.”
No, kid. (BTW, I take it you must be all of about 15 or 16 yourself, judging from the amount of stock you seem to place in the dewy dampness of your diapers. But then again, who cares?)
In case you didn’t understand me, what I meant was, your attitudes mark you as a probable Jew, and most Jews are not my kind of people. At best, they’re passive conspirators who provide support for more active conspirators who are attempting to rob “my people” of their money, their countries, and their future, and they’re primarily responsible for the current deplorable porn situation we’ve been discussing here. Not to mention all of these disgusting wars that are draining us dry, and all of this economic misery that Americans are now experiencing, and the fact that the MSM lies incessantly to cover for their outrageous misdeeds, and so on ad nauseam.
Does that mean that I think all Jews are evil? Hardly. In fact, I’ve been quite fond of some Jews, mainly for what I considered their sharp minds. I’ve even met some Jews that I consider to be kind and generous people…no kidding.
But sadly, I’ve met far more who are slimy, vindictive, race-hating, not-all-that-bright, Talmud-thumping two-faced pains in the ass, and that’s the kind of Jew that I and most other people in this country, White, Black, Brown and Yellow, can do without (with all due respect, of course).
I do hope that clarifies things a bit for you.
FGH - It must be pointed out that whites are some of the most depraved, disgusting people in the world. In that porn world you mention, no race is as loathsome as the whites. Native peoples the world round have for more than a century now been shocked by the actions of this “race”.
Oh those wacky jews. Always projecting. And worse. Interracial porn? Just jew fantasies, with jews having their ‘actors’ engage in jewish dreams of defiling white women etc.
Professor MacDonald and others should look into what’s behind the scatological make-up of the jewish psyche. Why are these people so interested, so excited by the most foul things imaginable? Why do they have the highest levels of pedophile behavior of all ethnic or racial groups? Why do they have the highest levels of homosexual behavior of any group? Why are they so excited by the idea and action of consuming human waste? I guess the rabbinate must consider it kosher.
Anyhow, it is funny how so many jews like ‘fgh’ (with his pioneer ancestors, lol) try the same worn out Hasbara playbook tactics in attempts to insult or derail, time after time after time. I guess the stereotype of the jews lacking in creativity, only able to synthesize the works of others, has a lot of truth to it.
The “wifewriting” site mentioned by anon is run by Dogfart, an interracial porn Internet pioneer who made millions w/the “blacks on blondes” logo.
Dogfart’s real name is Cable Rosenberg. Here’s a news article:
http://www.azcentral.com/community/chandler/articles/0513cr-pornography0514-ON.html
Paul Hausser was right earlier in the comments – porn, particuarly this type, is a prime example of Jewish hatred towards our race. Saddest part is that the main audience is white men. We are morally lost . . .
When Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982, they force-broadcast pornography on all the TV stations. Why? What does pornography have to do with war? Why do jews pump pornography into every society they invade? Why is pornography ubiquitous in the West? Why is the porn industry jewish?
Porn is a weapon in the war jews have launched on humanity to facilitate goyim-control. As always, their narrow ethnic interest objectives (control through porn) are dressed up as universal moral imperatives (freedom of speech) that are either irresistable to, or, over the heads of, the average white lemming.
Fascinating interview on this subject with Dr. E. Michael Jones, author of Libido Dominandi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P0HRDCDPQE&feature=related
The whole incredible E M Jones interview, highly recommended here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XkrZPZI2uU&feature=related
Correction: Lebanon 1982 was in fact Ramallah 2002. Apologies.
anon2, actually the biggest audience for internet porn is non-whites, especially those from outside the US. That’s the bulk of the internet ‘visitors’. The jews wish to project a certain image of white women to these people. The flip side is that a surprisingly high percentage of actresses in porn are actually jews, drenched in peroxide and loaded with silicone. The jewish women are jealous of the ‘shiksas’ but undergo all the surgery possible to look like them. One would think that the tribe would keep their women out of that business, but it probably goes back to the low regard in which jews hold their own women, although it is nothing compared to the hate and disdain they have for ‘gentiles’. Then again, being so scatological as many know, they probably see nothing wrong with jewish women being in porn. Of course the non-jewish women are sluts and pigs.
I posted a link to youtube to a song ( I suppose ) called Bunny Love.
It was about blacks dating whites girls and I took a bunny to mean a white girl.
Bad enough. This morning I was on Urban Dictionary and found this entry for bunny love: Ass sex
Gonna get her drunk and get sum bunny luvn tonight!
make sure you use extra lube if you want her to give up the bunny love
What a world. Most of the white men I know are more interested in watching
blacks run around with a football then any topics like this one.
the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpZuaKW4TYU
@ Al Brown
Yes, a big chunk of the ones viewing pornographic materials are indeed non-whites, but they tend to stick to those materials that are made available for free, i.e. free streaming sites.
The overwhelming majority of those that actually PAY for ”quality” porn, otherwise said, those that actually keep afloat this industry are whites.
As for Jewish women being involved in porn, it’s true that they are over-represented, but if you investigate the matter you’ll see that they’re mostly involved in mainstream hard-core porno. Those would be materials that are certainly rough, but have somewhat higher production value, and tend to be nominated for porn awards. But again, the vast majority of female performers are non-Jewish whites.
Whites also dominate the not so mainstream productions, i.e. those productions that are released on websites that don’t have large audiences.
You can try to paint it in a positive light as much as you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that whites are the ones that nourish this craft.
“You can try to paint it in a positive light as much as you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that whites are the ones that nourish this craft.”
As I’ve already observed, it’s not necessary to “change that fact” in order to show that most of the responsibility for the situation resides with Jews. Why is that? Because
1. Prior to the large-scale advent of Jews in North America, it was a Christian continent in which smut and its producers and consumers were morally stigmatized by the vast majority of inhabitants. (Much the same applies to Europe.)
2. Now as always, Jews are the major producers and purveyors of pornography and prostitution worldwide.
3. Jews have been working overtime during the last century to erode the moral framework of Christianity from within western civilization by every means at their disposal, including vast wealth, coherent (and often illegal and conspiratorial) political activity, and control of education and the media.
This, of course, accounts in very large measure for the fact that Jewish porn producers find White performers and number (a substantial but minority percentage of) Whites among their clientele.
In other words, any assertion that Whites buy into Jewish porn culture because of anything resembling a natural racial affinity for porn, especially as compared to other races which have not yet been targeted for Jewish corruption, is bald-faced horseshit of the kind that could come only from (1) a Jew or (2) a Jewish indoctrinee.
Now, you (Ionut) claim to be White. Therefore, in your case, the answer is clearly 2. But how does that constitute a claim of moral superiority or a license for what looks very much like race-specific, in fact genocidal, hypocrisy?
Forgive me, but it’s hard not to notice that your handle “ionut”, with a more or less obvious transposition of the second and third characters, looks very much like “in-out”, which is of course a vulgar synonym for copulation.
Why all the White-specific sexual moralization from a soi-disant White person who chooses that kind of nickname? Could we be dealing here with a race-wide projection of personal guilt?
In-out? Ha Ha
No, ”Ionut” is a Slavic name, equivalent to John, or Jonah.
But I can’t help but praise your snappy mind. :D
Again, you come and point to the fact that it’s Jews that are mostly likely to produce this stuff, but again I remind you that it’s whites that form the bulk of the masses that finance it.
Yes, it’s true that in Christian times most whites would have found such materials repugnant, but not necessarily because whites are naturally moral creatures as you seam to believe, but because of the very real threat (to them) of eternal damnation.
If someone right now would try to ban pornography they’d be confronted by crowds of tens of thousands that would claim that such a ban would be immoral.
And you know what, these crowds would not be Jewish. They wouldn’t be formed of negros. Or chinamen.
They’d be white my friend.
Now, as as in the past, the Gods of whites are Jewish, yes, but it certainly doesn’t mean that the absence of Jews would result in most whites leading considerably healthier lives.
“And you know what, these crowds would not be Jewish.”
The hell they wouldn’t be. All of the rabblerousers and interested parties, including of course the lawyers, would be Jewish. All but a very few White consumers would be doing exactly what they usually do, keeping low profiles while making surreptitious use of the product itself (they’re addicts with addictive behavior patterns).
Quote from E. Michael Jones:
“Pornography…becomes a Jewish fantasy. Even when Catholics are involved, they are generally involved on Jewish terms. According to one industry insider, ‘the leading male performers through the 1980s came from secular Jewish upbringings and the females from Roman Catholic day schools.’ The standard porn scenario became as a result a Polish Jewish fantasy, the horny Jew schtupping the Catholic shiksa. Nina Hartley, the already mentioned Jewish porn star tends to agree, ‘I have not yet met a Jewish guy who wasn’t a horny rabbit,’ she says explaining Jewish male involvement in pornography in her 1989 interview in the Jewish magazine Schmate. ‘Plus, they get to have sex with all these beautiful blonde women… Where else are you going to get a succession of shiksas [non- Jewish women] to bed you down?’
What Miss Hartley leaves out of her description is the cultural dimension. Pornography becomes a way of defiling Christian women, which, as Eldridge Cleaver pointed out in another context, is another way of defiling Christianity and all that it stands for.
‘Rape,’ according to Cleaver, ‘was an insurrectionary act.’ By defiling the white woman, Cleaver ‘was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law, upon his system of values,’ something Cleaver found ‘most satisfying’ (Soul on Ice, p. 14).
The same thing could be said of Jewish involvement in pornography. When Luke Ford asked Al Goldstein, the publisher of Screw, why so many Jews were involved in pornography, Goldstein, unlike Abe Foxman, did not say the connection was fortuitous. He instead got to what one might call the theological heart of the matter. ‘The only reason that Jews are in pornography,’ Goldstein responded, ‘is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don’t believe in authoritarianism.’
http://www.culturewars.com/2003/rabbidresner.html
“Leading modern Jewish pornographers include Ron Braverman, John Bone, Wesley Emerson, Paul Fishbein, Herbert Feinberg AKA Mickey Fine, Hank Weinstein, Lenny Friedlander, Bobby Hollander, Rubin Gottesman, Fred Hirsch and his children Steve and Marci, Paul ‘Norman’ Apstein, Steve Orenstein, Jack Richmond (Legend CEO), Theodore Rothstein, Reuben and David Sturman, Ron Sullivan, Jerome Tanner, Armand Weston, Sam and Mitch Weston (Spinelli).
Jews accounted for most of the leading male performers of the 1970s and ’80s. Hebrew studs include Buck Adams, Bobby Astyr, (Bobby Charles) R. Bolla (Robert Kerman), Jerry Butler (Paul Siderman), Seymore Butts (Adam Glasser), Roger Caine (Al Levitsky), David Christopher (Bernie Cohen), Steve Drake, Jesse Eastern, Jamie Gillis (Jamie Gurman), Ron Jeremy (Hyatt), Michael Knight, William Margold, Ashley Moore (Steve Tucker), David Morris, George Payne, Ed Powers (Mark Arnold aka Mark Krinski), Harry Reems (Herbert Streicher), Dave Ruby, Herschel Savage (Harvey Cowen), Carter Stevens (Mal Warub), Marc Stevens, Paul Thomas (Phil Tobias), Marc Wallice (Marc Goldberg), Randy West (Andy Abrams) and Jack Wrangler.
Jewish female performers include Avalon, Jenny Baxter (Jenny Wexler), Busty Belle (Tracy Praeger), Chelsea Blake, Tiffany Blake, Bunny Bleu (Kim Warner), J.R. Carrington, Lee Carroll (Leslie Barris), Blair Castle/Brooke Fields (Allison Shandibal), Courtney/Natasha/Eden (Natasha Zimmerman), Daphne (Daphne Franks), Barbara Dare (Stacy Mitnick), April Diamond, Jeanna Fine, Alexis Gold, Terri Hall, Heather Hart, Nina Hartley (Hartman), C.J. Laing (Wendy Miller), Frankie Leigh (Cynthia Hope Geller), Gloria Leonard, Traci Lords (Nora Louise Kuzma), Amber Lynn, Tonisha Mills, Melissa Monet, Susan Nero, Scarlett O. (Catherine Goldberg), Tawny Pearl (Susan Pearlman), Nina Preta, Tracey Prince, Raylene, Janey Robbins (Robin Lieberman), Mila Shegol, Alexandra Silk, Susan Sloan, Annie Sprinkle (Ellen Steinberg), Karen Summer (Dana Alper), Cindy West, Zara Whites (Amy Kooiman) and Ona Zee (Ona Simms).
(This citation, as well as all of the subsequent citations have been taken from the discussion of Jews and pornography at the lukeford.com website, all of which have been removed by the cite’s new owners.)
Pornography is, in other words, one of the weapons which ‘Jews with an atavistic fear of Christian authority’ have turned to to weaken the dominant culture in a country and, thereby, assure that the Jews, always a minority, will go unmolested by their ‘Christian’ neighbors.”
http://www.culturewars.com/2003/rabbidresner.html
Ionut says: September 4, 2010 at 10:33 AM
“You can try to paint it in a positive light as much as you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that whites are the ones that nourish this craft.”
Just because White women are all over the internet on porn sites, you must resist the temptation of regarding White women as having a special proclivity for debasing themselves in a way that non-white women do not. You should take three factors into consideration:
(1) Whites still form a clear majority of the American population. Naturally more White women would take to porn than non-White women, if only for statistical reasons.
(2) White women happen to be the most attractive women in the world and it’s for this reason, if no other, that they form the backbone of most porn sites. Who wants to look at unattractive non-White women when they can see attractive White ones?
(3) You seem to be totally unaware of the coercive factor in the porn industry. When a White woman allows herself to be sodomized by a black man, or when she fellates him, you would be wrong to jump to the conclusion that she is enjoying herself and doing all this voluntarily.
No, nine times out of ten she is in an abusive relationship with a pimp who has got her hooked on heroin and who has forced her into porn and prostitution. She has to do what she is told, or she is beaten up and her next heroin fix withheld.
There is more than enough evidence to show that many white prostitutes/porn actresses are in actual physical pain with bruised breasts and torn vaginas as a result of brutal sex with men they absolutely abhor.
They are sex slaves, working under extreme coercion, usually under the thumb of the Jewish mafia who not only recruit the White porn prostitutes but also hire the black studs to screw them.
These are the sober facts.
Yes, the principal coordinators of such a protest would no doubt be Jewish. But why is that? Why would they risk such an exposure? I guaranty you that they wouldn’t risk such exposure in other parts of the world.
Out of all the people they’ve succeeded in manipulating, they’ve had the easiest times with whites.
Surely, then, there must be some predispositions in whites that made it easier for them …
“I guaranty you that they wouldn’t risk such exposure in other parts of the world.”
That’s because other races, being relatively violent and backward, have primitive undemocratic political systems which encourage them to react with immediate physical violence against those violating the group code.
If this is what you deem proper, then why don’t you just get it off your chest and explicitly advocate violent revolution? If you’re the moral, porn-unaddicted White person you claim to be, then why aren’t you doing the right thing and helping to drive the Jewish pornographers away?
It’s a little too easy for cowardly hypocrites to sit in judgment of others without actually doing anything constructive. What makes you an exception?
Don’t bother answering. You have no right answer to give.
Amen, Xanadu. (By the way, I loved your recent article on this topic.)
@ Xanadu
Just because white women form the bulk of the American female population doesn’t excuse the fact that they form the bulk of persons that are sodomized and degraded in porn.
Take murder for example. White men form the bulk of the American male population, yet, once you adjust statistics for Latinos and others that get mislabeled as ”white,” you find that White men as a group are not the greatest murderers in America.
I take it you would have no problem claiming that whites have certain predispositions that make them less likely to commit murder.
But when confronted with the possibility that white women may be more likely than any other group to engage in questionable sexual behavior you claim that notions of predispositions towards this are simply erroneous. A double-standard me thinks.
Then you claim that most of them are coerced to do this, because what mentally healthy woman would choose to do such things with negros and other sub-humans. Well, again this doesn’t hold water.
This doesn’t explain why there’s so much inter-racial dating going on, especially among young adults, the ones that are the backbone of the porn industry.
Take a trip to a college dorm that has a significant number of non-white students there and you”ll be disgusted by the amount of inter-racial dating going on.
And the claim that white women degrade themselves because there’s demand for it, well, this one I’m not even going to touch.
I agree, the people who produce inter-racial porn, especially black male on white female porn should swing from gallows, or be tied between two bent saplings before they are allowed to spring upright. It is an attack on both white women and men mentally, and I seethe with cold rage when I see black men parading white females around like a trophy. The icy look I give white women who willingly sleep with black men can break glass.
lonut – you can paint any pro-semitic picture you like, but it’s jews behind porn. And they don’t give an audience what it wants. They TELL an audience what it likes. They keep bombarding an audience with an item until they’re used to it, whether it’s immigration or porn. The jews did this with music. For instance, back in 1983, LIFE Magazine had their “Look Back at 1982″ issue, and one of the articles stated that 1982 was the year that “… rap swept America.” No, it didn’t. Sales were dismal. Whites weren’t listening to it. But the jewish run music industry kept pushing it, kept it going 24/7 on the radio, tv, etc. Like they do with everything else.
As far as “pay porn” goes, that’s dying out. And the jews are in fact in a panic. They can’t keep up with the ‘free porn’ sites run by some Australians (non-jews) and their SE Asian partner. I’ve been waiting to read of ‘accidents’ courtesy of the Mossad befalling these interlopers.
In the end, the biggest audience for porn is the less intelligent no matter where they’re from, and the lone nuts. And of course, the jews, who wallow in filth not only because it shocks others, but because they are innately perverted compared to other human groups. Look at the Talmud. What kind of culture would revere a Mohel, lol? Just the result of Talmudic ‘reasoning’ to allow a pedophile access to they youngest children they can find. No doubt all of it’s connected to the inbreeding which they make fun of in others, when they themselves are more inbred than isolated Pacific Islanders.
Would there be porn without jews? Of course. It simply wouldn’t be so sick, twisted, misogynistic, racist … the list is endless.
The Luke Ford article is well known. The jews went crazy when Ford first posted it. One should note that one reason the jews hate Ford is that he is not a ‘real jew’. He’s apparently a convert. After reading a number of his articles, you have to wonder if he converted as an attempt to ward off some criticism as he writes certain truths about jews that they can’t stand ‘the other’ reading.
Ionut:
You make some good points in your critique of what I had to say. I’d just like to assure you that if we White women are more degraded sexually than you would wish us to be, this is entirely due to two factors:
(1) We are what we are as a result of exposure to the Jew-controlled mass media that has helped to undermine our moral values and turn us into tarty little whoresluts. Not all of us, I hasten to add, but quite a few! :)
(2) I think White men have just as much a penchant for sexual depravity as White women, if not more so. After all, White men are the main consumers of pornography. The only reason so many White women are featured in porn is the obvious one that White men who are into porn find White women more attractive than non-White ones.
eurodele:
Thank you for your kind words.
Besides the interracial thing, there’s a lot of useless vulgarity in porn, especially in the language. The producers would like us to think that the customers enjoy the vulgarity, just as some people enjoy kinky sex or “talking dirty”. In fact, the real reason for the vulgarity is that most of the producers are lowlifes. The more vulgarity and pop-out windows on a website, the more likely they are to try to steal people’s money.
What is funny is the proselytism of the mass media and the porn industry. For example, even though most people have no wish to “talk dirty”, the “sex-experts” write books and magazine articles to help us learn the language.
One of their main lessons is that it is all right to have a sexual preference for blonds or red-heads, but not to refuse interracial sex as a matter of principle. An interracial porn movie delivers the same message. It is like a civics lesson, with the usual reversal of values.
It’s also a problem that too many white people yield to political correctness. Otherwise, a white man who believes in hedonism would have no reason to make his porn-blog occasionally multiracial. For some reason, gay activists also tend to promote interracial promiscuity.
“Whites still form a clear majority of the American population. Naturally more White women would take to porn than non-White women, if only for statistical reasons.”
Ridiculous.
Stop making excuses. The white women of Kwa have been on the road to whoredom for a long time now. It took a goddamned war, slaughter like the world’s never seen, to bring about the degraded states of the German and Slavic women, but in the Anglo lands, all that was needed was natural capitalistic and Puritan evolution.
I’ll never get why all you guys sit around and rail about “liberals” and the like, as if they’re not fucking white. Don’t you get that if there wasn’t a problem with “whites” then there’d be no such thing as our present condition, no need to type away on keyboards? Did you see that Glen Beck rally? These are doughy consumer proles, props of this system, and I’m supposed to empathize with them because we vaguely look alike? All your talk about the Jews “controlling” them has merit, fine – but then, do you really want to be part of a people so easily controlled, so docile, so childish, so stupid, so pathetic? God, don’t you hear the modern Kwa black making excuses for his people echoed in your own voice? These ancestors that keep being brought up wouldn’t have acted anything like you do when it comes to stuff like this.
Fuck it. With guys like Eurodele, we get what we deserve. Christians were the first deracinated whites.
Ionut: “Just because white women form the bulk of the American female population doesn’t excuse the fact that they form the bulk of persons that are sodomized and degraded in porn.”
Of course it does. Jews are bent on degrading White Christian society; therefore the market they target with their degrading material is predominantly White; therefore the actresses who are forcibly or otherwise recruited for that material are White; therefore they are the ones degraded in Jewish porn productions. Jews are integral to each deductive step. No Jews, no degradation of White women.
And let’s not forget the alliance of convenience between Jews and negroes. In order to use negroes to oppress Whites, Jews must offer them (1) White money, rendered up as tax-subsidized welfare checks; (2) White jobs and associated social status, rendered in the form of affirmative action despite low Black IQ’s and notoriously bad attitudes; and (3) White women, made available by indoctrinating Whites to believe that interracial sex is de rigueur for socially aware non-racists.
To Jews, this has the added benefit of polluting the White gene pool with negroid DNA, thus further disarming Whites as competitors while viciously demoralizing White males.
“I take it you would have no problem claiming that whites have certain predispositions that make them less likely to commit murder.”
You’re not a very quick study, are you, Ionut.
Jews do not pressure White males to commit murder; hence, we may attribute the fact that White males are less likely to commit murder to White males themselves rather than to Jews (except to the extent that Jewish racist propaganda has deliberately exacerbated the murderous tendencies of non-Whites toward Whites and thus affected relative crime statistics).
But Jews DO pressure White females to model for porn pictures and act in porn films…and given the well-known modus operandi of pimps and smut-mongers throughout history, that pressure is certainly both intense and coercive. Therefore, Jews ARE largely responsible for the higher incidence of White women in their pornographic productions.
In both cases, the essential reasoning is so simple and straightforward that even a (White) child could understand it. Yet you repeatedly fail to get it. From this, one can only surmise that you suffer from major psychological malfunctions including extreme hostility toward White people and especially White women.
What’s the matter, Ionut – do White women turn up their pretty little noses at you? Or are you really just a White-hating, woman-demeaning Jew after all?
It seems clear that you’re either a grubby, morally reprehensible little Jew, or you aspire to be one. Either way, what the hell are you doing here but trying to cause trouble?
fgh tries hard for his posts not to read as if he were jewish. But he’s a doing a mighty poor job. Better work harder on trying to write like Alex Linder. Contact your masters in Tel Aviv and see if they have a new edition of the Hasbara Playbook for you. You can rant on whites and their faults all you want. People with sense see that all you’re trying to do is keep the attention off the players responsible for wrecking the US; jews.
There is more than enough evidence to show that many white prostitutes/porn actresses are in actual physical pain with bruised breasts and torn vaginas as a result of brutal sex with men they absolutely abhor.
What evidence, Xanadu? Let’s see it.
(3) You seem to be totally unaware of the coercive factor in the porn industry. When a White woman allows herself to be sodomized by a black man, or when she fellates him, you would be wrong to jump to the conclusion that she is enjoying herself and doing all this voluntarily.
No, nine times out of ten she is in an abusive relationship with a pimp who has got her hooked on heroin and who has forced her into porn and prostitution.
Nine times out of ten?! Again, let’s see the evidence. What study was this, when was it done, by whom?
@ eurodele
”Jews do not pressure White males to commit murder; hence, we may attribute the fact that White males are less likely to commit murder to White males themselves rather than to Jews (except to the extent that Jewish racist propaganda has deliberately exacerbated the murderous tendencies of non-Whites toward Whites and thus affected relative crime statistics).”
Ha fucking ha!
Jews don’t apply pressure to white males?
I’m sorry … I was under the impression that you weren’t living under a rock!
For decades now, Jews, and their useful idiots, the white Marxist bitches of the West, have been conducting one of the most degrading and effective smear campaigns in history, orchestrated against white men.
No pressure on white men?
So I take it you’re now aware that the majority of the jobs that have been out-sourced have been traditionally filled by white men.
I take it you’re not aware that the majority of non-white immigrants to the Occident come to occupy jobs traditionally filled by white men.
I take it you’re not aware of how white men are portrayed as assholes, losers and naturally backward by the media.
I take it you’re not aware of the corrupt family-courts that threat white men as scum.
I take it you’re not aware of a lot of things …
Excuse me, I meant to type ”treat” not ”threat.”
As for your remarks where you (again) imply that I’m either a Jew or ”white women turn up their pretty little noses” at me, well, I’m not even going to dignify it with an answer.
I like the fact that you condemn Jews and their way of bringing forth an argument, yet have no trouble applying the same tactics when arguing with your own adversaries.
Kooler than Jesus says:
September 4, 2010 at 11:47 PM
Xanadu: Blah blah blah blah…..
Kooler: What evidence, Xanadu? Let’s see it.
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I don’t make things up, Kooler. In an informal blog like this, I don’t have the time or energy to give a link for every statement I make. Even the writers in the NYT don’t have to give footnotes, listing sources for every darn thing they say.
However, I’ll try to dig up my sources, though it will take me a long time. I have read so any articles on this subject over the last year. General impressions form in the mind…and what I say about female coercion in pornography is absolutely true.
Surely you know that most prostitutes work for pimps? And they generally relate to their pimps in a sadomasochistic way. Their pimps are dominant men who delight in seeing them degraded. They often force them into have sex with black men — and even with dogs.
Don’t you know that Linda Lovelace (of Deep Throat fame) was forced to have sex with a dog on the instructions of her sadistic pimp?
She felt horrible about it, especially when this became widely known, but it made no difference to her career as a porn star. The sicker the better it seems.
Her pimp of course denied coercing her into it.
I tell you, Kooler, no attractive woman like Linda Lovelace (a Roman Catholic too) would dream of having sex with a dog for the sheer filthy pleasure of it. It’s sick. Totally sick. And Linda Lovelace claimed in her Autobiography that she did it at gunpoint.
This is what sadistic men make submissive women do to degrade and humiliate them. Pain for pleasure. That’s the name of the game.
If you doubt this, just ask yourself what Donovan’s article is all about. Isn’t it about a man getting a sick pleasure from seeing his own wife being degraded and humiliated by a black man?
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I’ll see if I can find some links. Most of my information comes from anti-porn sites in which former porn actresses blow the lid on their past lives. They tell you the things they were forced to do. Thy repeat ad nauseam that the sex act was painful and that every manifestation of pleasure given by their faces — all the oohs and ahs and orgasmic moans and groans — were fake, fake, fake!
It was hell, pure hell — but they had to pretend it was heaven. Why? Because their next heroin fix depended on them doing what they were told. Many of these wretched girl are little more than sex slaves hooked on heroin or other highly addictive drugs.
They deserve our compassion, not our contempt. They are victims. They are little birds caught in the fowler’s net.
Next time you see a white woman being screwed by a black man on a porn site, Kooler, just tell yourself this: that girl is probably a drug addict — and this is what she is being FORCED to do for her next fix.
Behind all this misery stands one entity: the Jewish mafia. The fountainhead and source of the malignancy.
The confessions that you based your opinion on are from, for the most part, insane born again Christians you know …
fgh: “Christians were the first deracinated whites.”
Ionut: “The confessions that you based your opinion on are from, for the most part, insane born again Christians you know …”
More anti-Christian boogie from the Kosher Sock Puppet Brigade. (After all, in order to destroy White Christian society, you have to destroy Christianity, right?)
If Christians “were the first deracinated whites”, it is plainly because they were targeted for that purpose by Jews who had parasitically taken over their societies and perverted their cultures. Nothing about Christianity per se actively encourages such outcomes; in fact, we’re seeing the result of an intense and protracted *war* on Christianity conspiratorially waged by Jews under cover of fraud. Blaming Christianity for this makes no sense. It would make more sense to blame our open system of government, which allowed Jews to steal control of our destiny. (But that’s not a good idea either – having used it maximally to their advantage, Jews would now like nothing better than to see any semblance of open government disappear right along with Christianity.)
Of course, some maintain that Christian principles like the Golden Rule, “turn the other cheek”, and Romans 13 are responsible for our current plight. But closer examination reveals that any such responsibility lies with the interpretations of these rules rather than the rules themselves. In fact, all of these rules have, at various historical junctures, been interpreted in ways that allowed Christians to wage war or defend themselves from unjust aggression with great efficiency. The bottom line is, Jewish sock puppets hate Christianity because Christ criticized Jews and gave away their status as “Chosen Ones” to a lot of non-Jewish unworthies who lack so much as a speck of precious Kosher DNA and haven’t even been circumcised or Bar/Bat Mitzvahed! Oh, the horror.
Who’s responsible for the present enervating interpretations, favored by (e.g.) CZ megachurches, of various Christian principles? Don’t pop a blood vessel trying to figure it out.
”Who’s responsible for the present enervating interpretations, favored by (e.g.) CZ megachurches, of various Christian principles? Don’t pop a blood vessel trying to figure it out.”
This is getting pretty funny … all you do is claim that people that hold opposing views to yours are Jews, and then resort to using that oh so Jewish line: ”It’s not us! It’s THEM! It’s always been THEM!”
Yeah, I guess you’re at least partially right.
But in this particular case, so am I. ;-)
:D
I have no problem with what fgh is saying. It doesn’t sound Jewish to me. Obvously if whites weren’t as imperfect as everyone else from time to time we wouldn’t be where we are. I don’t see why being honest about that is a detriment to the cause. That’s simply objective truth – the milk and honey that built western civilization.
Protestantism deracinated Catholics because ethnic Catholic enclaves were a threat to Protestant power. At least in America. See “The Slaughter of the Cities” by E. Michael Jones. America was becoming a Catholic nation and it scared the Protestants to death. Of course with the Catholics of today, what difference would it have made.
Kooler than Jesus @ September 4, 2010 at 11:47 PM
XANADU: “There is more than enough evidence to show that many white prostitutes/porn actresses are in actual physical pain with bruised breasts and torn vaginas as a result of brutal sex with men they absolutely abhor.”
KOOLER: “What evidence, Xanadu? Let’s see it.”
XANADU: “You seem to be totally unaware of the coercive factor in the porn industry. When a White woman allows herself to be sodomized by a black man, or when she fellates him, you would be wrong to jump to the conclusion that she is enjoying herself and doing all this voluntarily.
No, nine times out of ten she is in an abusive relationship with a pimp who has got her hooked on heroin and who has forced her into porn and prostitution.”
KOOLER: “Nine times out of ten?! Again, let’s see the evidence. What study was this, when was it done, by whom?”
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Kooler: As I explained earlier, it’s hard providing links to back up EVERY statement one makes on an informal blog like this. (I notice no one else does!). However, I’ve managed to find ONE source out of dozens of others. This reinforces EVERYTHING I said above. Stand by for a few quotations:
[1]
“Porn stars rarely get started out of a free-willed love of sexual exhibitionism. Along with poverty and broken families, childhood abuse is very common.
Often they are teenage runaways picked up by pimps. They only escape one circle of abuse by entering another; they can’t run from the pain so they go towards it. Fast forward a few years and they find themselves in a zombified state, drunk and drugged on a porn set, as they re-live the same abuse they experienced growing up.”
Porn – Watching Bruised, Drugged Prostitutes
Richard Evans – Henry Makow.com February 22, 2010
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=12217
BTW, Ignore the Jewish infiltrator on this site who will immediately attempt to rubbish my argument by questioning the RELIABILITY of my source. After the ad hominem attack, this is the second oldest trick in the book for winning arguments by recourse to rhetorical tricks.
[RULE NUMBER TWO: "If your opponent provides a a backup source to bolster his argument, question either the RELIABILITY or AUTHENTICITY of his source."
— How Jews Win Arguments. Adam B]
Stand by for more supportive quotes.
Ionut:
http://www.bitwisegifts.com/page/bg/PROD/12376
Just $7.98, and you can dress that little smileyface up just like you!
…and vice versa.
More Quotes: Brutalized Porn Actresses
“The brutality of most porn videos is obvious to anyone who has seen one. A typical film consists of one or more huge guys on steroids having violent sex with a girl. Porn users only see a well-edited film. They don’t see what happens behind the scenes; the girls that are crying and throwing up because they can’t handle the hardcore acts they are being told to do. Jersey Jaxin explains what awaits you on set: ‘Guys punching you in the face. You have semen from many guys all over your face, in your eyes. You get ripped. Your insides can come out of you. It’s never ending.”‘
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“A girl’s first time on camera can be horrific. She is disorientated under the bright lights and the sex is shockingly violent. The experience is more akin to an abusive alien abduction than a pleasurable sexual one. This is how Genevieve described her first scene: ‘It was one of the worst experiences of my life. It was very scary. It was a very rough scene. My agent didn’t let me know ahead of time… I did it and I was crying and they didn’t stop. It was really violent. He was hitting me. It hurt. It scared me more than anything. They wouldn’t stop.”
Her horror was in sharp contrast to the indifference of the crew.
‘I had bodily fluids all over my face that had to stay on my face for ten minutes. The abuse and degradation was rough. I sweated and was in deep pain. On top of the horrifying experience, my whole body ached, and I was irritable the whole day. The director didn’t really care how I felt; he only wanted to finish the video.’
Whatever artifice of control the girl had is now removed and Lubben [Shelley Lubben, reformed ex-porn actress] has described what is left as:
‘traumatised little girls living on anti-depressants, drugs and alcohol acting out our pain in front of YOU who continue to abuse us.’
More Quotes: Brutalized Porn Actresses
“The sex you see in porn is a lie; sexual enhancement drugs are used on set. ‘Drugs are huge. They’re using viagra. It’s unnatural. The girls will be on xanax and vicodin,’ according to Sierra Sinn.
No wonder the sex is so vicious.
Perhaps there should be a disclaimer at the bottom of the screen noting what drugs the performers are on: ‘Gary is on Viagra and coke. Candy drank half a bottle of Jack Daniels and then smoked some crack. Enjoy the film.’”
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“Most porn stars take drugs, in fact they are often on film to pay for their habit. The girls are traumatised and get high to numb their pain, as Becca Brat will tell you: ‘I hung out with a lot of people in the Adult industry, everybody from contract girls to gonzo actresses. Everybody has the same problems. Everybody is on drugs. It’s an empty lifestyle trying to fill up a void.’
However it is a void that cannot be filled, and as the drug abuse spirals more and more out of control their lives get dangerous. Brat said: ‘I became horribly addicted to heroin and crack. I overdosed at least three times, had tricks pull knives on me, have been beaten half to death – the only reason I am still here is God.’
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=12217
Kooler than Jesus,
Is that enough evidence for you?
I have lots more, but it would take me too long digging it all up.
Xanadu
“Next time you see a white woman being screwed by a black man on a porn site, Kooler, just tell yourself this: that girl is probably a drug addict — and this is what she is being FORCED to do for her next fix.”
I can’t let this go without reply.
Ah, the innocence of our dear Lasha! It’s very cute. :-)
I don’t spend a lot of time (in fact, I spend no time at all) viewing paid porn. Why should I, and why should anyone? The net is awash with porn, and just about everything I ever saw was absolutely free. So far are White women from being forced into it that at times, when viewing the contents of a USENET group in the alt.binaries.pictures hierarchy, you must wonder, as I have, whether there remains any White female in the West who has not posed nude at least once for the camera. Most of the girls I’ve seen are amateurs, in the true sense of the word. They aren’t prostitutes, and they don’t have a pimp. They do it because they love it. Sluttish behavior comes naturally to them, because that’s what they are: sluts!
Maybe Lasha is inorgasmic herself and therefore can’t recognize a genuine female orgasm when she sees one; maybe all of her experience with “watching” pornography is second hand, from reading accounts like Linda Lovelace’s (in a way, I’d like to think so, as such innocence would but add to her charm); or maybe she just thinks she’s talking to a bunch of dopey old White men who can’t recognize the physiological signs of a female orgasm when it happens (probable); I don’t know. But I do know that if you look at the pictures I’ve seen, and watch the videos of interracial sex I have, you will see White women having all the physiological signs of orgasm. There’s a certain look in the eyes of such total sluts that can’t be faked; a flush to the countenance, the light, moist sheen of perspiration a woman must necessarily produce at the critical moment; the unmistakeable grunts and moans of real pleasure. Will you now try to tell us they orgasm, but are not “really” enjoying it? Lasha, come (or should that be “cum”?) on!
You’re certainly right that “forced” sex with dogs, negroes, and other animals is a way of degrading White women. But such degradation is part and parcel of domination, and you don’t have to have much insight into female psychology to know that women love being dominated. Moreover, the intensity of the pleasure derived by both parties to the act stands in direct relation to the intensity of the domination, and in this case, degradation. Sex with a negro degrades a White woman forever, and does it in a way that sex with a White man cannot. Even the comparatively prudish Uncle Wolf recognized the basic truth of this. “A woman would rather submit to a strong man than give herself to a weak one” is a paraphrase of what he says somewhere, in MK or maybe Tabletalk. It should not be taken as an endorsement when I note that there are, no doubt, profound evolutionary reasons for all of this. Also, we certainly can’t expect Lasha to admit any of it. Women almost always deny that they want to be dominated. I get the impression this denial has the effect of intensifying the thrill when domination eventually happens, and they don’t want to ruin it. It’s simply a fact that women protest transgressions against their virtue, but almost always accept them, though sometimes a little coercion is needed to get them past certain “sticking points”.
Please don’t mistake this for a moral indictment. This has very little to do with morality, and especially Christian morality, which in my view is ninety-nine percent illusion. The only Law of Life is to make more life, and that’s why sex is as fun as it is. People are biologically set up to have a lot of it, if they can. What’s different about the modern era is that the White man’s technology of birth control gives the unprecedented choice to White women to be the total sluts that evolution designed them, by means of their psychology and physiology, to be. Now they can abuse their baby-making machinery endlessly for the camera without any fear at all of pregnancy, and it is the role of other, professional sluts like Madonna, Aguilera, Spears, and Germanotta (Lady GaGa) to show each next generation of sluts how it’s done, and how much fun it all can be. Given all that, along with all the other opportunities and inducements the technological state provides, it’s not so surprising interracial sex is happening more and more now, is it?
“What’s different about the modern era is that the White man’s technology of birth control gives the unprecedented choice to White women to be the total sluts that evolution designed them, by means of their psychology and physiology, to be.”
You really love this stuff, don’t you, you mysogynistic little pud-nosed pimp-daddy wannabe?
Does have some entertainment value, though. (I like it much better when you drop the secondary sockpuppets and stick with your current primary sockpuppet.)
“You really love this stuff, don’t you, you mysogynistic little pud-nosed pimp-daddy wannabe?”
Yeah, talk tough to me baby. We all know that’s what blows your skirt up!
http://www.truetrust.com/Famous_Wills_and_Trusts/Marilyn_Monroe_Dress_Picture.jpg
Beautiful exposition White Angel!
This will probably sound lame, but whatever …
Do you have a blog? I’d like to bookmark you! :D
To the concern trolls and interracial porn fetishists:
If white women are all sluts or whites harbor a disproportionate share of degenerates (neither true), this changes what exactly? Whites are still my people and nothing will change the fact that I want whites to survive. Amidst all this degeneracy, millions of whites somehow still manage to form families and have white children. Supposing pornography has so distorted your view of women that you could never form a normal relationship (nevermind that those in porn represent much less than 1% of women), what good are you hoping to accomplish by trying to convince others to share your disorder?
Theories in evolutionary psychology
In his book Sperm Wars, Robin Baker speculated that the excitement and stimulation of the cuckolding fetish emerges from the biology of sexuality and the effects of sexual arousal on the brain. According to his theory, when a male believes that his female mate may have been sexual with another male, the male mate is prompted by biological urges to copulate with the female, in an effort to “compete” with the other males’ sperm. The effects of sperm competition are well documented. Further, when initiating sex, the male mate thrusts harder, deeper and longer, in efforts to remove the sperm of the other male, and is biologically driven to have sex multiple times. While he may be unable to have sex more than once under usual circumstances, the cuckolded male is prone to repeated sexual efforts. Meanwhile, the wife enjoys greater sexual stimulation, first by her other male lover and second by her cuckolded husband. In addition, the wife enjoys the neurochemical “highs” triggered by entering into a romantic or physical relationship with another lover. These highs include the effects of oxytocin and other neurochemicals which trigger excitement, euphoria and other feelings common to the beginnings of romantic relationships. These neurochemicals change over time, and as a relationship persists, with neurochemicals changing to ones that promote bonding, planning and nurturing. When a wife takes a new lover, she triggers the neurochemicals of a new relationship, bringing home excitement to her husband.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckoldry
Der weiße Engel @September 5, 2010 at 2:09 PM
Ah, the innocence of our dear Lasha! It’s very cute. :-)
Der weiße Engel,
If only you knew how depraved I was, you would revise your opinion! :)
No, but joking aside, I read your diatribe with considerable interest. What you say sounds very reasonable and sophisticated at a superficial level…but I simply cannot agree with your cynical view that all White women are essentially sluts. You go too far, dear boy!
I know for a fact that I am not a slut, nor is my sister Lucy, nor is my mother. In fact, most of the women I know are not sluts. We strive very hard to be the type of women that a man of true worth would admire, but we don’t it for his admiration — we do it for our own sakes. Because we need to look at ourselves in the mirror each morning without wincing. We do it for self-respect.
Your general assessment of white women as sluts can only come, I think, from viewing too much porn — something you confess to when you say you watch only the free stuff. All this porn consumption has distorted your sense of reality. You see women debasing themselves and so you hastily conclude that all women are base.
Incidentally, Nietzsche said: “Man is evil, but women are base.” So there you have another misogynistic cynic.
He also said, or rather, the Little Old Woman said to Zarathustra: “Thou goest to Woman? Remember thy whip!”
Admirable sentiments, I must say! No wonder the guy went mad!
Aahhh…so that’s it! Everything comes clear with that link DWE just shared with us.
See, it’s a *Wikipedia* link.
Ladies and gentlemen, we may well be dealing here with a veritable titan of Internet troll culture, one of the notorious “Wikipedia Jews”!
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/The_Wikipedia_Jews
We should have known all along – the penchant for in-your-face sockpuppetry is absolutely unmistakable.
“Admirable sentiments, I must say! No wonder the guy went mad!”
I believe Nietzsche’s madness probably had more to do with spirochetes than his opinion of women. Schopenhauer had at least as bad an opinion of women as Nietzsche, and did not go mad. Where so much genius is in agreement, how can mere mortals dissent?
Nevertheless, I would agree that all White women are not sluts, at least not completely – YET. But to make them so is the trend in technological civilization. Certainly, that fact is tied in with fgh’s indictment of Whites as being uniquely obsessed with porn. To the extent that it’s true, I think this derives not so much from something inherent in Whiteness as it is an artifact of technological “progress”, of which there was none in the non-White world until quite recently. Only a century ago there was far less disparity in attitudes towards pornography between Whites and non-Whites. Today, primarily because of the prolific spread of pornography via the internet, but also due to the sexualization of culture generally, even very young people have seen pictures and videos that fill their heads with ideas and desires that would have made DeSade or Caligula blush. If more White women act like sluts now, it’s because they can act on these ideas without penalty. Technological civilization enables them, and even encourages it.
“Nevertheless, I would agree that all White women are not sluts, at least not completely – YET.”
Surely a philosophy scholar like Der Weisse Engel (Fan) understands that this sentence, with its capital “YET”, is nearly equivalent to
“(I would agree that) all White women, an aspiring slut every one, are separated from a total meltdown into frenzied super-sluthood … by the mere passage of time.”
But isn’t this very close to what White-hating tag-team misogynists fgh and inout have been proclaiming as well?
What an improbable coincidence, given that hatred of Whites and women are both aberrant and deeply pathological in nature, and therefore highly unlikely to emerge together in multiple subjects in a forum topically unrelated to misogyny (and therefore of no special attraction to misogynists).
Such a strange corner of the world this must be, where 1 + 1 + … + 1 = 1. Alice, welcome to Wonderland!
It is a weird situation when the Admin. of this site continues to delete the comments of perceptive commenters (thanks to Judeo-pressure), and yet continues to allow the un-ending gibberish of vociferous non-entities.
This is getting tiresome.
“It is a weird situation when the Admin. of this site continues to delete the comments of perceptive commenters (thanks to Judeo-pressure)…”
That doesn’t sound much like Professor MacDonald to me.
@eurodele
Do you remember that filthy jew who went by the name “Adam” a few months ago here? The writing style of Der weiße Engel very closely resembles his.
Yes…as a matter of fact, that occurred to me quite some time ago.
Congratulations on discerning the similarity.
@ mark
“Do you remember that filthy jew who went by the name “Adam” a few months ago here? The writing style of Der weiße Engel very closely resembles his.”
I haven’t had time to read all these posts, so I’m not quite sure why the gentleman in question is referrred to as a “filthy Jew”, but I agree that the former poster known as “Adam” and the current poster “Der weiße Engel” are almost certain to be the same individual. The stylistic similarities are striking.
But where does this perception leave us? We are none the wiser for knowing this. Nor is it clear to me why this extraordinarily erudite and verbally gifted poster should wish to change his name in the first place.
His real motive for posting his comments here is clear to me: though I know he often feels he is casting his pearls before swine, he does so anyway in order to practise his prose style.
He tries to keep himself in top form by playing verbal tennis.
Instead of balls, he sends words whizzing over the net. He is homo ludus, simply amusing himself.
He is trying to kill time before the Grim Reaper finally gets him…
Aren’t we all?
“If more White women act like sluts now, it’s because they can act on these ideas without penalty. Technological civilization enables them, and even encourages it.”
Agreed, W.A., with one condition – it’s not the blanket term “technological civilization” that enables/encourages them, but specifically “White” technological civilization – millions of deracinated consumer blobs with the Jew at the cultural helm (the natural progression of Kwa from at least the 1870s). The Chinese, for instance, having become a technological civilization, are doing what they can to combat electronic Western pornographic incursions into the body of their people. The dastardly theocracy in Saudi Arabia that internet Crusader Eurodele shakes his fist at follows a similar course, as do several other Muslim nations. And naturally, if Uncle Wolf’s technological civilization had won, I doubt we’d see the social norms we see today. It’s in how the technology is used in a culture that makes all the difference, and that specific use springs from the quality/caliber of those behind the technology – the Germans were constantly discussing this. You can air a television show about keeping the nation physically fit, as they did with their first ever broadcast, or you can air Benny Hinn preaching to guys like Eurodele. Same technology, different quality broadcasters and audience.
I will meet you at the synagogue this Saturday.
ON MISOGYNY AND MISANDRY
I don’t wish to sound condescending, but it is clear to me that there are a few very embittered misogynists on this site — men of extraordinary intelligence too — who seem totally unaware that they victims of >social engineering.
They have a deep-seated contempt for women in general, but they fail to realize that their misogyny is the result of careful conditioning by organized Jewry.
They have a soul disease, but they don’t know who infected them with the virus.
Am I saying men ought to love and respect women more and not despise them so much? No, I am not! It’s far more complex than that.
I am saying there are grounds for misogyny.
I am saying that women are being deliberately groomed by organized Jewry to turn themselves into objects of revulsion and contempt.
The feminist movement is largely responsible for creating misogyny on a vast scale. It has accomplished this by setting out to alienate and, yes, piss off most men.
How can one blame the misogynist for hating women, given that women as a whole bend over backwards nowadays to make themselves utterly contemptible?
Who can respect a slut?
Isn’t it true that vast numbers of young women nowadays are despicable sluts — sluts who don’t even know it?
I’m not blaming the misogynist for hating women. I’m just pointing out that he has failed to understand that women are being groomed to be detestable, conditioned into becoming objects of contempt.
The misogynists themselves are largely unaware that their misogyny is a conditioned response to the reality of the New Female — the female who finds fulfillment in Sluthood.
ON MISOGYNY AND MISANDRY (contd…)
The war between the sexes is being fomented by organized Jewry to weaken the goyim: to drive a wedge between man and woman. This weakens the family. It has a catastrophic effect on children. It creates social anarchy. This is what Jewry wants.
Don’t underestimate the virulence of misandry. Man hatred is now even more prevalent than woman hatred.
The spitting rage that some radical feminists — especially the crazed lesbian ones — feel towards the male sex, is truly beyond belief. I speak from first hand knowledge. These women hate men so much they would like to live a state of their own from which men are absolutely excluded. In their ideal world, all women would be lesbians. Normal intercourse to them is little better than rape.
The sexual sickness that is prevalent everywhere in our Western world distresses me profoundly. Men and women ought not to hate each other like this.
It’s not the way things should be.
” [...] it is clear to me that there are a few very embittered misogynists on this site — men of extraordinary intelligence too — who seem totally unaware that they victims of social engineering.”
No, Xanadu dear, that’s what you’re telling yourself, and no matter what zeitgeist term you throw out there, it doesn’t change the fact that you’re wrong. I’m saying this, and I’m unsure how to make it more clear:
No one denies the Jew involvement . No one denies the ongoing social engineering. What has to be addressed is the complicity of your, my, our group in all of this. Healthy societies don’t turn into the one we currently live in overnight. Healthy bodies repel invaders and if the invaders are in that body then the body failed somehow. There has been something sick about our people for a long time, as pointed out by some of our greatest philosophers and thinkers. Over and over, I have to make clear, HEALTHY PEOPLE DON’T BECOME SICK.
You make some excuses for a piece of trash who thought she could earn $300 by being gangbanged on film (instead of say, working at a gas station for a week) and was then shocked that the experience was so horrible. I don’t want a fucking retard like this within six hundred miles of me. You refuse to acknowledge quality over quantity, just like all of these other knuckleheads who will somehow believe that the smothering term “White” is somehow adequate as an identifier. You yourself write as a “white”, thus democratizing and leveling all it once – it’s the same old story among my race: the eternal egalitarianism, the quest for dulled sameness. With your outlook you make that dopey crack whore equivalent to yourself. Are you really the same, just because you’re both women and non-Jews? Maybe it’s fine for you, but such equivalencies aren’t for me. Treating the botched the same as the healthy is simply Christianity. You’re a Christian at heart. I am not.
Learn to differentiate, then learn to separate.
Incisive observations, Xanadu.
I’m afraid I find your “men of extraordinary intelligence” comment a bit hard to fathom, but I suppose that giving the benefit of the doubt to even the lowest, most despicable semitic or philosemitic troll is consistent with the warm, nurturing side of femininity. Pissing all over the universal threshold which each of us must cross to reach this life – the womb in which each of us must dwell for nine intimate months or so before we draw our first breath – is, in my opinion, anything but “intelligent”. It’s as corrosive as aqua regia to the psyche, the self-integrity, of the pissbucket in question.
You correctly observe that the current situation, in which large numbers of (especially young) White women are unrepentant sluts, sluts-in-waiting, or man-hating lesbians, is the product of Jewish indoctrination. In my opinion, this is the one insult for which the Jews cannot be forgiven. Something like the second law of thermodynamics applies in reproduction; whereas it takes but one moment, one lapse into socially-conditioned whoredom, to absorb another polluting drop of negroid DNA into the White genome, this instant of racial contamination can never be undone by anything approaching natural means. At it all up, and we get (at the very least) a substantial loss of average IQ. I could forgive the Jews for everything but this; it is what makes their enmity so damaging and irreversible. They are damned for what they are doing to thousands of years of White evolution, all for the “First Amendment right” of Shlomo Wasserstein and his family members to push miscegenation on MTV and other Jew-controlled media outlets.
That being understood, there are chemical vectors to consider here as well. Hormone levels are being changed in both men and women by the widespread use of certain chemicals and biological agents in food production (e.g., BGH in dairy products) and packaging (e.g., bisphenol A in #7 plastics). Numerous formal studies prove this to a high level of confidence. So the attack on White sexuality is really multi-pronged, and cannot be completely solved by simply reversing Jewish anti-Christian indoctrination. It will take a general cleanup of the human environment, and the restoration of the normal hormonal balance in White men and women.
In other words, when we say goodbye to Jewish indoctrination, we’ll need to reform the food supply as well…and of course, engage in some remedial eugenics.
Why does a Christian care about what happens here in Kwa, Eurodele? Doesn’t your true world come about after death?
@fgh
“Over and over, I have to make clear, HEALTHY PEOPLE DON’T BECOME SICK.”
And what would you say if I applied the same logic and said:
“Over and over, I have to make clear, FRESH FOOD DOESN’T BECOME ROTTEN.”
I ordinarily disdain to converse with sockpuppet trolls, fgh. But since you all collapse to one many-handled mug in the end, I’ll give you a tip.
My perspective would be better referred to as “meta-Christian” rather than “Christian”. I’ve taken a look at the major currents in spirituality and made a judgment regarding which are more primitive, and which are more advanced. Christianity, stripped of all its deleterious add-on interpretations, emerges the winner; it’s the most advanced and sustainable. (I’m not going to explain the reasons for that here; they’re technical.) Therefore, in view of the fact that religious faith is, statistically speaking, a psychological imperative and an indelible aspect of human nature, I conclude that Christianity is, thus far, the healthiest form that it can take. Because materialism is a logical absurdity, I embrace Christianity for what it is.
As for the question of why I care about material reality “instead of” metaphysical reality, the former is necessarily part of the latter. They are two levels of the same unified reality and not disjoint. (Again, the reasons are technical and above the level of discourse here.)
Now why don’t you merge back together with your imaginary friends and then take a little “togtherness hike” to another forum?
“Christianity, stripped of all its deleterious add-on interpretations, emerges the winner; it’s the most advanced and sustainable.”
That’s funny – it doesn’t seem that way.
Like I said, it’s technical. Now go away.
In saying “healthy people don’t become sick”, “fgh” maybe means that there is something in the basic essence of white people that’s incomplete, making us vulnerable to attack in a way that no other people are. A blindness. I would say it is an inability to identify with each other as white. We are too individualistic and nonwhites are the opposite. It is the way we are, and sometimes this makes me think that we are doomed. Anyone without a strong racial identity is going to be trampled underfoot by those who do have a strong racial identity.
But as someone suggested, maybe an ethnic nationalism is the place to start.
“And what would you say if I applied the same logic and said:
“Over and over, I have to make clear, FRESH FOOD DOESN’T BECOME ROTTEN.”
Not the same analogy, sis. Fresh food is, regardless how fresh, a dead organism, already killed before it got to the plate. Whitey’s still alive, a sick, sick creature, and the beetles crawling through his trunk prove it. He won’t be dead until there’s no one left alive to mutter, “I’m white.” There will be plenty of Caucasian-types still left, mind you. But they’ll be brand names, like “Jew”.
“The war between the sexes is being fomented by organized Jewry to weaken the goyim…”
Look at you, even here, giving the caps to “Jewry” and defining yourself as some lower case name given by your opponent.
“…to drive a wedge between man and woman. This weakens the family. It has a catastrophic effect on children. It creates social anarchy. This is what Jewry wants.”
Yeah, so, what? We get it. Any healthy organism wants what’s best for itself. That fresh food you referenced didn’t want to die either, I take it. But you, poetess and art-lover, have to live. You were stronger. Thus it died.
Look, Xanadu, go on a walk through the woods. Read a book on evolution or biology or parasitism. Something. I’m not saying this to insult – I’m just suggesting you stop being so reactionary, assess yourself and our situation through nature’s eyes, and listen to the words of old Chuck Darwin: “Adapt, Migrate, or Die”. After all, why would Jewry change for you?
Someone really has to implement an applause button around here :D
Inout: “Someone really has to implement an applause button around here.”
A many-handled hydra furnishes its own applause. One head talks, the others cheer.
The trouble is, they do it without critical assessment, in a reflexive, brain-dead kind of way; the dead brains of the hydra applaud each other as they rot. Being dead, they can no longer tell the difference between that which should be applauded and that which shouldn’t. Think of it as zombie narcissism.
That’s why the multiple identity we’re dealing with here – the DWEebs, as we might call “them” – doesn’t understand that a jar of tapeworms isn’t a viable or sustainable entity. Perhaps the Jews can win the evolutionary war they’ve been fighting in a Nietzschean, neo-Darwinian way. But once they sap their host of its vitality, their parasitic disposition will force them to suck full-vacuum on each other. And once they suck each others’ guts out, the game is over. The parasite consumes itself and is gone. Lights out forever.
The DWEebs seem to have this figured as the very pinnacle of human evolution: one brief shining moment of parasitic glory, then the inevitable pain and despair, and then the ultimate prize…nothingness! This progression, as irresistible to them as balls of opium sugared with crack, ricochets between the brittle walls of their empty skull, thoroughly mulching the rotted lump on the floor of their common brainpan.
But if anyone else is sucked in by this idiotic brand of “philosophy”, what on earth are you doing here? Go join the March of the Tapeworms. Have a porn-happy, tomorrow-we-die Mardi Gras of a going-away party for yourselves! But don’t suck around like quibbling leeches and torture those who are already tortured by their cultural and genetic victimization. Do that, and you’re nothing but gibbering goblins lost in dim-witted self-entertainment. Either let the still-living try to solve their problems without meaningless distractions, or risk eternal moral agony if your nihilistic philosophy crumbles away under your feet and leaves you soulless in a vast and frigid void.
Any real philosopher could tell you that Darwinian nihilism isn’t the safe bet you might think it is. If it “blows your skirts up” so high and so deliciously that you have no choice but to swallow it like a Jew-trained interracial fellatrix, then you’ll just have to follow your nature and swallow away. But how about doing it somewhere else? That way, if at some point in the future you end up with a terminal bellyache, we more constructive types won’t have to share your pain.
Thanks for your consideration.
”Perhaps the Jews can win the evolutionary war they’ve been fighting in a Nietzschean, neo-Darwinian way. But once they sap their host of its vitality, their parasitic disposition will force them to suck full-vacuum on each other. And once they suck each others’ guts out, the game is over. The parasite consumes itself and is gone. Lights out forever.”
Nah … I’m sure they’ll finish putting together a plan long before they’re done exterminating us.
You see, that’s your problem right there! You underestimate them so …
“A many-handled hydra furnishes its own applause. One head talks, the others cheer.”
You said it, bro!
“Amen, Xanadu. (By the way, I loved your recent article on this topic.)”
“Congratulations on discerning the similarity.”
“Incisive observations, Xanadu.”
LOL.
Old timer, you’re a Christian. You profess belief in/swear allegiance to something that’s not real. The fact that you sat down and decided to “choose” which religion you’d follow based on a variety of factors, and ended up with the biggest crackpot one out there speaks volumes. Christians are a particular type – they can’t discern reality. Why would someone who believes in miracles or godmen sitting atop clouds be able to adequately judge a current social situation? I’m ready to listen to you in the afterlife – you can convince me of anything then – but here, on earth, evolution rules the roost. You use a bevy of ridiculous terms that have no meaning outside of a limited group of curmudgeonly has-beens. A while back you asked the Slavic fellow if he’d actually read MacDonald. Well, have you? Seriously? Because you seem like some bizarre holdover from the Pelley days.
Anything that doesn’t go your way is the work of the Devil. Everything lousy that’s happened to your folk is solely the work of the Jew. Nothing’s ever your fault, ever. Ever. Ever.
This is starting to get aggravating. Can’t you little jew-bags just have the good grace to piss off already? Trust me, if just one of you leaves, the others will follow.
Of course we Whites are partially responsible for our plight. We’re responsible for ignoring the warnings of Christ and literally dozens of nations throughout history. We’re responsible for trusting Jews to throw in their lots with ours out of sheer gratitude for our hospitality and protection. We trusted them to assimilate to our nations, our conventions, our beliefs and way of life; bursting with magnanimity and naive idealism, we let the vampire in the front door when it knocked. We trustingly ingested the tapeworm eggs, and surprise, they grew up to be the ravenous, gut-chewing tapeworms they’ve always been from the dawn of recorded history. They did their tapeworm thing, and now we’re all but screwed, at least in the short run. Mea culpa.
But take a good look at them. Inbred, cunning but uncreative, physically weak and ungainly, uncommonly ugly, completely untrustworthy, warty snouts dangling off so many of their faces like Jerusalem artichokes. They never built or invented anything themselves; all they do is lie, cheat, steal, write about how great they are, and count their stinking shekels while reducing everyone else to poverty and despair by subverting the honor codes of once-vibrant, formerly constructive societies. Sure there are exceptions, but so few and far between! And you have the sheer stupidity and bad taste to present these self-aggrandizing locusts as the culmination of millions of years of human evolution?
You might be kidding somebody, but it sure isn’t me or anyone else who’s not just as confused as you are. So why bother trying? Flake off and find some other tapeworms to hang out with. In a jar. Preferably a jar with a lid. A real tight lid. Thanks.
Xanadu:
“But where does this perception leave us?”
The poster formerly known as “Adam” does as he does because of what he is. He is a Jew. It is the nature of the Jew to subvert unto the destruction of host societies in order to achieve domination. All else is merely extrapolation on that basic point. There can ultimately be no reasoning with or ‘talking down’ Jews from abandoning their genetically ingrained group dynamic. Appreciation of the verbal facility of the Jew is hardly a refutation of the above. Surely it is tragic. And it is not that nature is cruel, but that it is indifferent. We face the truth and do as best we can in light of that. In this case, that means our loyalty is reserved first for our own people, and if necessary, last and only for our own. The alternative, our total racial destruction (something “Adam” positively delights in contemplating), is sufficiently horrible to justify just that.
fgh to eurodele: “You profess belief in/swear allegiance to something that’s not real. The fact that you sat down and decided to “choose” which religion you’d follow based on a variety of factors, and ended up with the biggest crackpot one out there speaks volumes. Christians are a particular type – they can’t discern reality. Why would someone who believes in miracles or godmen sitting atop clouds be able to adequately judge a current social situation?”
Yep, you’ve nailed it, fgh. eurodele’s irrationality is his single most prominent characteristic. He’s a believer in that popular Santa Claus-for-adults, the Jew called Jesus. Such a childish mentality! That mentality also explains the infantile name-calling, which seems to be the only response he’s capable of mustering in response to your arguments.
Also, how bizarre it is that eurodele not only grovels at the feet of a Jewish supremacist Jew who referred to Whites as “dogs” (in Mark 7:24-30), but he also accuses you and I of being Jews ourselves! All I can say is, it’s clear he must not read his Bibble much. Doesn’t eurodele the dog realize that his Jewish master also said that “salvation is of the Jews” (in John 4:22)?
Show some respect to your owners, Fido. And go read your Bibble.
Captainchaos @ September 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM
I take your point, CC. I haven’t had time to read all Adam’s posts, so I know far less about this “man” than you do. All I’ve noticed is that he writes very well and is obviously a professional — a doctor, scientist, or higher academic I’d say.
Please clarify: does he believe that multiculturalism and miscegnation are good things because they will eventually produce a homogenous brown race? One mongrel race everywhere. And so the end of racial strife, the end of nationalism, the end of all wars? A multicultural World Utopia in which there are no blacks or whites or yellow people left?
What of the Jews in this projected scenario? Do they also assimilate and become part of this Hotchpotch Humanity? Or do they stand apart, superior in their IQ, and rule over this manufactured mongreloid people from their world capital in Jerusalem?
I know there are starry-eyed visionaries out there who contemplate a future in which Homo Sapiens eventually fissures into two distinct races: a race of tall, fair, superintelligent Ubermenschen (the ruling elite) and a race of short, stunted, swarthy, subintelligent Untermenschen to do their bidding.
We are not talking about evolution here. Not evolution in the Darwinian sense. We are talking about an assisted or accelerated evolution brought about by technological means: Frankenstein Evolution.
Is this the sort of thing our Adam and his cohorts favor?
I have no personal views on these matters. They lie beyond my area of expertise. I merely ask out of interest.
Note: Please see archives of this site for comments I left refuting Adam/Der weiße Engel’s misinterpretations of those gospel passages.
“…but he also accuses you and I of being Jews ourselves!”
When you were posting as Adam, you engaged in a lot of Jewish advocacy.
Then you switched to posting under the nickname of the Laurence Oliver character in Marathon Man, and just sticking to promoting ideas which, if believed, would tend to absolve Jewry of complicity in the decline of the West.
What Der weiße Engel is doing is meta-Jewish advocacy.
On one hand: Promoting complicated theories to get Jews off the hook for whatever it is they’re being accused of at any particular moment on this site.
On the other hand: Trying to promote a sense of despair and demoralization in the gentiles who visit this site.
He just throws in the occasional comment expressing white hot hatred of Jews to throw people off the scent.
Also, that link he provided to the Cuckoldry fetish theory was pure garbage.
The people who believe in that theory have absolutely no understanding of Human Evolution, or even the most basic rudiments of Anthropology.
Even Roissy recently had a post taking apart this foolish idea:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/sex-at-dusk/
So you believe in Santa too? Heel, boy! Heel!
For eurodele:
In an earlier comment I said that the former poster “Adam” and the current poster Der weiße Engel were almost certain to be the same individual. I withdraw that remark. I now think they are different individuals.
I’ve just noticed a stylistic idiosyncrasy in Der weiße Engel’s prose that is entirely lacking in Adam’s prose. I won’t say what it is, but it is very compelling.
I speculate that Der weiße Engel is British rather than American. A somewhat godless individual much given to invective, but not without a certain brutal charm of his own. I guess he has his redeeming features. At least I hope so! :)
Don’t let these militant atheists get you down, eurodele. They need their atheism badly. Just as badly as you and I need God.
The sad truth is this: irrespective of all reason, all of us ultimately believe what suits us.
There is no more compelling proof for God’s non-existence than there is for his existence. Pascal knew that and said it clearly. At some or other, we all have to take Pascal’s Wager.
Reginald to Der weiße Engel: ”When you were posting as Adam, you engaged in a lot of Jewish advocacy.”
I think you should refrain from making such accusations unless you can at least prove that those postings originated from the same IP address.
“Same IP address” means nothing. Sockpuppetry often spans multiple IP addresses. Indeed, the organized kind of which DWE and company stand accused would be expected to come through multiple IP addresses.
Reginald is right about DWEeb’s “meta-Jewish advocacy”. In feigning White advocacy, DWEeb has the unfortunate habit of (1) rooting through a jumbled toybox of ideas which he clearly fails to comprehend, and (2) always concluding that that those stupid and corrupt Whites, their culture soaked to the bone in that goofiest of religions, Christianity, are wholly responsible for everything that has befallen them!
As anyone can plainly see, that’s about as “White” as Chabad Lubavitch chowing down on Hamantashen at a Purim gathering.
Who do this misogynistic, White-hating, Christianity-despising little geek and his ditto-head sockpuppets think they’re kidding, aside from themselves? Their message is as plain as the proboscides on their microcephalic yarmulke-capped coconuts…and by the time they get around to the bottom line, there’s absolutely nothing White about it.
Darn it … you caught us … Might as well come clean now … Most postings on the Internet in which white women are presented in a bad light are made by people involved with our organization, The International Misogynist. We are recognized as legitimate by the U.N.
Our purpose is to demonize white women and encourage white men to give up thoughts of forming couples with members of their own race.
They will learn to embrace women of other races.
The resulting offspring will have severely lower IQs and will be easier to manipulate than ”pure” whites, who, as you know, are notoriously hard to feed shit to.
There is very little you can do at this point.
Make it easy for yourselves … fuck a negro! adopt a Cambodian!
fgh: “It’s in how the technology is used in a culture that makes all the difference, and that specific use springs from the quality/caliber of those behind the technology.”
I would urge you to think some more about technology, fgh.
In fact, technological developments are never neutral. They occur as attempts to interfere with a natural state, and always produce bad side effects, the worst of which can’t be known until it’s too late. While it’s true you can then try to control these bad effects with still more technology, these “cures” will also have bad side effects, which will require still more “cures”, generating yet more bad side effects. It’s an endless cascade, the outcome of which can never be known in advance.
In the case we are discussing here, the development of birth control technology has interfered, as it was meant to, with the natural outcome of sex between man and woman, which is the production of children. As a completely unforeseen and wholly unintended side effect, this event disrupted an evolutionary power balance between men and women that had been in place for literally millions of years. Only in retrospect has it become obvious that the empowerment of women and the disempowerment of men are built right into it. Feminism and the “liberation” of women; the breakdown of the nuclear family (for what were they liberated from if not from that?); women in the workplace competing with men; the coarsening of society that results from permitting abortion; homosexuality as a lifestyle choice, since sex has been reduced by it to mere pleasure-seeking; the ongoing slut-ification of women, since they are now inevitably and increasingly seen as mere tools of pleasure, not reproduction; the skyrocketing popularity of pornography; and last but not least a hidden, but no doubt profound effect on gene frequencies in the underlying population – these are just a few of the things that can be traced back to a single watershed event, the advent of effective birth control technology. None of them would have been possible without it. Now, can some of the damage be mitigated? Of course it can, to some extent, even though the remedial measures themselves will cause other problems which, if history is any guide, will likely be even worse. But the thing you must realize is that there is actually no way to use birth control technology, or any technology, without producing bad side effects. The bad effects are inextricably part of the good effects. Using it at all means that you accept both.
“There is no more compelling proof for God’s non-existence than there is for his existence.”
What if I said there’s no more compelling proof for Santa’s non-existence than there is for his existence? Would you find that as irrefutable as you seem to think this is?
“Pascal knew that and said it clearly. At some or other, we all have to take Pascal’s Wager.”
It’s a shoddy, second-rate Santa who would allow himself to be snookered into paying off on Pascal’s Wager. Surely, any Santa worthy of the name would accept a sincere belief from a pure heart, but reject a cynical one arising from a careful calculation of personal advantage. Santa can see into your heart, Lasha; he knows when you’ve been bad or good, so be good for goodness’ sake! :-)
The American porn industry is completely bankrupt and has been for at least 2-3 years now. Porn sales, DVD sales, etc have fallen off a cliff. The free internet porn that has arisen in the last few years has destroyed the Jewish monopoly on porn and the profit too. Organized Jewry is panicked about this since porn is becoming more ‘democratic’ and not controlled from the top by Jews – White couples create good porn in the comfort of their homes and give it away for free, which reduces the need for fake porn produced by Jewry.
Many rich Jews still fund porn they like – especially the interracial stuff – to subvert White nations and the psyches of Whites.
Basically the only thing keeping the Jewish controlled porn industry afloat nowadays is the money coming from the Jewish controlled Federal Reserve. But the Jewish controlled porn industry is broke, bankrupt, kaput. The web deepens…
Der weiße Engel – it is worth noting that hormonal birth control pills were invented by Carl Djerassi, a Bulgarian-Austrian-American Jew.
Jews also dominate feminism – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_feminists
“In fact, technological developments are never neutral. They occur as attempts to interfere with a natural state, and always produce bad side effects, the worst of which can’t be known until it’s too late. ”
Everything is neutral in the timeless entropy of the universe. Vis-a-vis man, or his particular condition at a point of time, that’s when the effect of technology comes into play. The rub is, though, that as a species we can’t be separated from technology – from the first spear and the “invention” of fire, the use of tools is a defining characteristic of homo sapiens sapiens – it has brought us to where we are today, it is, in essence, a part of us. As for an ideal “natural” state for man, we can’t point to one at this stage. Man wouldn’t be what is popularly conceived of as man without technology of one sort or another.
As far as the term “bad”, that concept only has relation to the perceiver – it’s subjective, having no meaning in evolutionary reality. The effects of birth control on whites in Kwa and the West may have been bad for the race in general – a loss of access to resources – but that “bad” for the white is in turn a boon to those who would replace the white. A gun in my hands used to blow off the head of my enemy is, in the here and now, different than a gun in my enemy’s hands used against me.
I am not denying that technology has been absolutely devastating – and continues to be so – for me and mine. In that sense it is bad. At one time, when whites were spreading across the world, it seemed good to most. I’m also not claiming that a technological civilization can ever be fully harnessed or contained, or that the damage it eventually does to particular groups can be delayed inevitably. It’s a given that each seeming boon has a curse somewhere – that’s the whole basis of deep ecology. I’m just saying that technology in the hands of racially conscious, far-seeing, intelligent people, when applied to their own needs and desires, will have a different short-term social effect (and, by extension, biological effect) than either A) technology being used by morons or B) technology controlled by racially conscious, far-seeing, intelligent people but used against others these people feel they are in competition with.
Technology, like all environmental forces, impacts evolution. From agriculture shrinking our brains, to catapults breeding cowards, to gunpowder ushering in rapacious capitalism, to the printing press fomenting the distribution of propaganda, these technological achievements and a million others actually changed and continue to change the development of man. But change would happen one way or another. That’s the story of life on earth.
“As a completely unforeseen and wholly unintended side effect, this event disrupted an evolutionary power balance between men and women that had been in place for literally millions of years.”
Again, in the infinite largeness of time, so what? Evolution is what it is. Nothing out there cares who or what “rules” here. “Power balance” means nothing beyond those suffering under the cataclysms unleashed. I’d prefer that my kind were ruling the roost, those with my world view, who care about my offspring, who shape the environment so that it’s conducive to the survival of my type. But I, unfortunately, don’t have the power to bring that reality about.
Others, though, are luckier. Though they also lack the power to bring about the world they yearn for, they’ve been mentally predisposed to be able to believe in a zippy fairyland they fly off to on the day they die.
Another thing about hormonal birth control – if you drink municipal/public water in many areas of Western nations where birth control use is heavy (as in nearly all cities and suburbs) you are ingesting a whole lot of female hormones like estrogen, progesterone, etc used in those pills. This is probably why so many Western men are becoming overly feminized, because they drink and use public water supplies filled with female hormones from all the hormones excreted by urban/suburban females using them.
So I suppose the only way to get around that is to drink only bottled water, or well water, or else get a reverse osmosis system which is kind of expensive.
Also, there are now many hormone disrupting chemicals in plastics (BPA), teflon, etc that are wreaking havoc with the hormones of many, including the feminization of men.
Overall mas-technological civilization has been both a boom and a bust for The West.
Der weiße Engel @ September 7, 2010 at 3:51 PM
I am not impressed with your arguments, White Angel. I notice that you and your supporeters on this site, in your constant broadsides on eurodele, don’t actually have much recourse to logic. Instead, you make heavy use of ridicule and the ad hominem attack — a tactic, in my opinion, generally utilized only by cads and bounders. :)
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XANADU: “There is no more compelling proof for God’s non-existence than there is for his existence.”
YOU: “What if I said there’s no more compelling proof for Santa’s non-existence than there is for his existence? Would you find that as irrefutable as you seem to think this is?”
MY REPLY: A weak argument, dear boy, the argument from analogy. You flog Santa to death, invoking him at every opportunity, as if to imply that God and Santa belonged in the same category of imaginary beings. You imply that one who believes in God might just as well believe in Santa.
In my experience, White Angel, it is usually only very small children who believe in Santa. By the age of seven they no longer believe in him. No adults I know believe in Santa.
However, Pascal, a great scientist, philosopher and mathematician, believed not only in God but in the Christian God as te result of a profound mystical experience — mystica unio — that he never forgot. Gandhi believed in God. Tolstoy and Dostoevsky believed in God. Newton, the discoverer of the laws of motion and gravitation, believed in God — and wrote more about the Bible than he did about science.
In short, White Angel, the greatest men who ever lived — I don’t even mention Leonardo, Beethoven, Mozart! — all bowed the knee humbly to God. None of them, as far as I know, believed at the same time in Santa.
Your analogy, dear White Angel, is therefore as ridiculous as it is contemptible.
In any case, one doesn’t just choose to believe in God. It is God who chooses to let you believe in him.
God exists in hiding.
“Cleave the stick, lift the stone — I am there!”
(Gospel of St Thomas)
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XANADU: “Pascal knew that and said it clearly. At some time or other, we all have to take Pascal’s Wager.”
YOU: “It’s a shoddy, second-rate Santa who would allow himself to be snookered into paying off on Pascal’s Wager. Surely, any Santa worthy of the name would accept a sincere belief from a pure heart, but reject a cynical one arising from a careful calculation of personal advantage. Santa can see into your heart, Lasha; he knows when you’ve been bad or good, so be good for goodness’ sake! :-)
MY REPLY: This is mere verbiage and waffle, White Angel. I find it impossible to refute the incomprehensible. Begone, scoundrel! :)
@ Lasha
Gandhi? He was no great intellect. He also believed in drinking his own piss, a practice which he is reported to have engaged in daily. Tolstoy and Dostoevsky were novelists, immensely talented and entitled to their own opinion, but not necessarily with any more insight into the matter of God than someone like DeSade, or Marcus Aurelius, neither of whom believed in a personal God, and both of whom would certainly have laughed uproariously at the idea of worshipping a Jewish carpenter as God.
Newton, ’tis true, was quite a religious bug – some would say nut – of the Christian persuasion. But even Newton produced no proof of the existence of God, or of Santa, for that matter; and he died almost three centuries ago. Science has made a lot of progress since then, Lasha. Why not bring your examples up to date and listen to Stephen Hawking, his successor in the Lucasian chair, instead?
“… your constant broadsides on eurodele, don’t actually have much recourse to logic. Instead, you make heavy use of ridicule and the ad hominem attack — a tactic, in my opinion, generally utilized only by cads and bounders. ”
Like his increasingly tedious paranoid rants claiming that so and so must be a Jew, or his equally ludicrous claim that everyone arguing against him is really the same person, and like his perverse elevation of the Jewish supremacist Jesus to the status of his own personal God, eurodele’s childish tirades against me and others have nothing to do with logic. Pointing out that this behavior is stupid and not appropriate for an adult isn’t ad hominem. It’s just correct. I agree it makes him look ridiculous, but this is something he’s doing to himself.
“In any case, one doesn’t just choose to believe in God. It is God who chooses to let you believe in him.”
Well then, it’s clearly HIS fault if someone doesn’t believe in him.
“None of them, as far as I know, believed at the same time in Santa.”
But they could have, and with just as much sense.
Der weiße Engel, he was no great intellect. Despite copious effort, barely was he able to disguise the dictates of his hindbrain behind veritable walls of obfuscation: doing his part in achieving the millenarian end laid down long ago by his tribal deity so that his band of itinerant verbal rapists would inherit mastery of the earth. All the intrinsic wealth and ineffable beauty of European Man which could never be his and theirs that they could therefore not inherit must succumb, swept away in a river of excrement and washed up on the shores of ruin. And he and they would stand there exultant at their handiwork. Sharky grins beneath hooked noses; their demented and nihilistic misanthropy boundless. And for nothing in the end.
As I remarked once, there is little need to dehumanise Jews. It is a task they accomplish all too readily for themselves. The verbal prowess of the Jew is well noted. So too is their living proof that a thing can seem as a rose but smell like shit.
Xanadu,
“Please clarify: does he believe that multiculturalism and miscegnation are good things because they will eventually produce a homogenous brown race?”
What he “thinks” is not decisive here. It is what he feels. His “thoughts” are marshaled towards the ends to which he is emotionally attached. Those ends are millenarian in scope: the limitless hegemony of his people over a indistinguishable and genetically ruined mass of goyim – which is what he conceives of as all the rest of humanity save his own people anyway. That is what “goyim” means to Jews. His hatred for our race flows in good part from his at least intellectual awareness that we do not fit the bill and contradict his emotional truth as to the especial merits of his own people. So we must be destroyed.
Limitless hegemony. As promised to his people by their tribal deity. All the Jewish ideological movements and grand projects of past centuries are but variations upon that one theme.
That is the emotional truth for the Jew, his and theirs. Of course this, as with implicit Whiteness, often works at a subconscious level. No doubt because if brought to light its full hideousness would be exposed. Verily, the Jewish obsession with scatology is no coincidence; not worth hating, but surely worthy of contempt.
Believing in a Yahweh in the sky who directs everything with a nod of the head is the same mental mindset that predisposes one to believe that the Jew is responsible for every single reality in their lives. One never has to assess oneself, one never has to fix oneself, one just keeps trucking along, ranting, complaining, finger pointing. Omnipotence here, omnipotence there, bellicose frustration within.
“The most modest exercise of the intellect, not to say of decency, should certainly be enough to convince these interpreters of the perfect childishness and unworthiness of such a misuse of the divine digital dexterity. However small our piety, if we ever encountered a god who always cured us of a cold in the head at just the right time, or got us into our carriage at the very instant heavy rain began to fall, he would seem so absurd a god that hed have to be abolished even if he existed. God as a domestic servant, as a letter carrier…he is a mere name for the stupidest sort of chance…” FN
You Christians here are just another example of a social phenomenon suffered by indigenous peoples the world round – a more powerful culture is encountered, the deity presented by the invading culture is subsequently bowed down to, and then that culture exploits them. Looking at your place in the world today, looking at the degradation of people you identify with on some of those websites discussed previously, it seems as if your god hates your guts.
This is written out of ego, granted. I know that speaking to a Christian about reality is like discussing chess techniques with a cabbage, or some similar absurdity, indicating my own illogic. It’s admittedly frustration getting the better of me – I truly don’t know how Dr. MacDonald can write a trio of books from an evolutionary perspective and subsequently draw to his site people who essentially begin the history of man 2,000 years ago. It seems that, in the vastness of the online world – another ersatz world you should be familiar with – there would be a more suitable place for you than one which is predicated on a belief in evolution.
Xanadu: “There is no more compelling proof for God’s non-existence than there is for his existence. Pascal knew that and said it clearly. At some or other, we all have to take Pascal’s Wager.”
Thanks for the pep talk. Yes, I agree that despite the similarities between the two posters you mention, it is possible that they differ in certain material respects. But at the very least, they are equally useless and destructive to White interests. Don’t bother trying to see the up side of either of them from a White perspective; to put it crudely, a boar might as well grow tits. On the ladder of ontology, they’re somewhere between piss ants and roach dung.
Incidentally, when you write “There is no more compelling proof for God’s non-existence than there is for his existence. Pascal knew that and said it clearly. At some or other, we all have to take Pascal’s Wager.”
We may have to take the wager, but it is premature to assume that it is impossible to prove God’s existence (and disprove His nonexistence). There’s no strictly logical reason to make this assumption.
Take Anselm’s ontological proof, for example. Why isn’t it the “proof” it’s purported to be? An atheist would stridently answer
“Because we can apply the same proof to unicorns, and besides, Kant showed that existence is not an attribute, and thus it cannot be proven of God (or, for that matter, unicorns)!”
But in fact, neither of these objections turns out to be valid. The definition of God implicitly adopted by Anselm is logically inequivalent to that of “unicorn” in certain key respects, and although Kant succeeded in showing that existence is a *special kind* of attribute, he in no way managed to show that it is “not an attribute”. So the ontological proof stands against these objections after all.
Atheists, having no souls and being spiritually subhuman as a result, are desperate to refute the existence of God. After all, God is the One in whose unfavorable judgment they will huddle naked as mole rats when their ties to this mortal coil are cut. But as loudly as they might squawk and claim that logic is “on their side” when they spit in God’s face like quarreling monkeys, they don’t have anything resembling the knowledge or brainpower to make it stick. This applies to every single one of them, without exception.
Of course, agnosticism is another story. That’s for more intelligent nonbelievers capable of admitting their own ignorance. But this bunch of self-conversing sockpuppets isn’t nearly that smart.
“Instead, you make heavy use of ridicule and the ad hominem attack — a tactic, in my opinion, generally utilized only by cads and bounders.”
I think Xanadu is obliquely telling you something, Eurodele.
What you “think” is a bit like the wings on which pigs fly.
eurodele @ September 8, 2010 at 5:44 AM
eurodele,
These guys you find so obnoxious don’t have the same effect on me as they have on you, though clearly you and I are in many ways ideologically similar — particularly in our shared belief in God.
Why don’t they upset me? Partly because I’ve been in their camp and looked at the world through their godless eyes. (I know what it’s like to be a militant atheist.) And partly because their intelligence is undeniable. They certainly cannot be dismissed as fools. If they were incorrigible dimwits, eurodele, you wouldn’t bother to argue with them so passionately. You’d just ignore them.
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Incidentally, when you write “There is no more compelling proof for God’s non-existence than there is for his existence. Pascal knew that and said it clearly. At some time or other, we all have to take Pascal’s Wager.”
We may have to take the wager, but it is premature to assume that it is impossible to prove God’s existence (and disprove His nonexistence). There’s no strictly logical reason to make this assumption.
As I see it, eurodele, God’s existence can in theory certainly be proved at some future point in human history, though in practice this is most unlikely to occur. His non-existence, however, would always be impossible to prove. This is because, as any logician will tell you, it is impossible to prove a negative.
To take our friend White Angel’s “Santa”, it is in theory always possible to prove the existence of Santa — for Santa could just concievably turn up and say, “Here I am!” — but it would never be possible to prove Santa’s non-existence.
Yes, even though we are all 99.9% certain that Santa doesn’t exist, there’s always that 0.1% chance that Santa may turn up one day and prove us wriong.
God’s existence is most unlikely ever to be proved beyond all doubt, but a time may come when some great scientist may offer convincing arguments and equations to advance the hypothesis that God MUST exist in order to explain the universe in all its complexity.
If all the alternative hypotheses are relatively unconvincing, and if the hypothesis for God appears to elucidate all the mysteries of the universe in a neat and beautiful way, then atheism will eventually die out and faith take its hold.
As things stand, our atheists here make the mistake of assuming that the only knowledge worth having is scientific knowledge. They are enslaved by the fallacy of empiricism:that only verifiable statements are “facts” and that all other statements are “nonsense”.
Here we have logical postivism at its crudest: AJ Ayer, Bertrand Russell, Wittgenstein. All good atheists. And all sexual reprobates too, incidentally. And so it seems that all their intelligence and transcendent genius didn’t get them very far! Ayer and Russell were at it like rabbits all the time. As for Wittegenstein, I read in his biography that he was into the homosexual rough trade and spent time up leather-jacketed studs in parks.
Of what use intelligence if it leads to moral anarchy and lack of self-control?
In my view, a belief in God is the basis of all morality. Without God, Dostoevsky declared, every evil act was permissible — including the savage rape and murder of a little child. DO WHAT THOU WILT becomes the universal law.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Darkmoon-GoodbyeII.html
Great comments, Xanadu! In fact, they deserve a point-by-point response.
Xanadu: “These guys you find so obnoxious don’t have the same effect on me as they have on you, though clearly you and I are in many ways ideologically similar — particularly in our shared belief in God.Why don’t they upset me? Partly because I’ve been in their camp and looked at the world through their godless eyes. (I know what it’s like to be a militant atheist.) And partly because their intelligence is undeniable. They certainly cannot be dismissed as fools. If they were incorrigible dimwits, eurodele, you wouldn’t bother to argue with them so passionately. You’d just ignore them.”
I think I see what you mean. However, it’s for the benefit of those whom these people are trying to mislead that I bother to refute them. They seem to be beyond hope themselves, but that doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone in earshot.
They know this, and that’s why they come here and spout their drivel – they hope to pull those teetering on the existential fence into their puddle of self-loathing, thus diminishing the chances for White survival. I’m annoyed by the possibility, however small, that someone will be misled by them. (Incidentally, that’s the only respect in which I can credit them with any amount of intelligence; their demoralization seems both purposive and calculated.)
Xanadu: “As I see it, eurodele, God’s existence can in theory certainly be proved at some future point in human history, though in practice this is most unlikely to occur.”
What you seem to mean is that what look to you like past failures provide a sound inductive basis for inferring that a proof of God’s existence will probably never arise in the future. However, as I’ve pointed out, there are reasons to think that such a proof may already exist. That is, there are reasons to think that one or more existing proofs of God’s existence are valid, but have simply been rejected on specious and ultimately irrational grounds. (Academic opinion on this particular matter cannot be trusted, and I’m sure you know the reasons for that.)
Xanadu: “His non-existence, however, would always be impossible to prove. This is because, as any logician will tell you, it is impossible to prove a negative.”
Again, I see where you’re coming from. But still, that may be a slight overgeneralization. It applies mainly to universal negatives subject to Hume’s problem of induction. After all, we “prove” or ascribe logical certainty to negatives all the time; in 2-valued logic, negation is symmetric, and affirmation amounts to double negation. That is, proving a formula X amounts to disproving its negation ~X, and proving ~X amounts to disproving X.
Then we have formal undecidability and other complexities to consider.
Xanadu: “To take our friend White Angel’s “Santa”, it is in theory always possible to prove the existence of Santa — for Santa could just concievably turn up and say, “Here I am!” — but it would never be possible to prove Santa’s non-existence.”
You’re right on the mark there. But of course, the definitions of God and Santa place them in substantially different logical categories, and this may affect logical decidability. (For example, Santa would exist *inside* reality; God would exist *over* reality. One is localized and properly contained by reality, the other is not. This changes the logical setting in which proof may be attempted.)
Xanadu: “God’s existence is most unlikely ever to be proved beyond all doubt, but a time may come when some great scientist may offer convincing arguments and equations to advance the hypothesis that God MUST exist in order to explain the universe in all its complexity.”
How true…although most scientists subscribe to a quasi-religious form of materialism. Strict adherence to accepted scientific methodology almost forces it on them. A proof of God’s existence is thus more likely to come from a metaphysician, i.e., a philosopher well-versed in logic and mathematics who also possesses a broad understanding of science.
(As I’m sure you’re well aware, your statement regarding the low likelihood of this eventuality is merely opinionative…not uninformedly so, mind you, but limited to the information you now possess, which would not seem to bear directly on theological content or vice versa.)
Xanadu: “If all the alternative hypotheses are relatively unconvincing, and if the hypothesis for God appears to elucidate all the mysteries of the universe in a neat and beautiful way, then atheism will eventually die out and faith take its hold.”
True. But the point I was trying to make is that theology is not necessarily a battle between atheism and faith.
Firstly, atheism IS faith. Specifically, it is faith in the nonexistence of God (for which its proponents often misleadingly claim logical certainty).
Secondly, as you concede, it is possible that God’s existence can be proven beyond doubt. (In fact, this may already have occurred.) If so, then the question is not just whether a given argument is merely “convincing”, but whether it can be logically established as true or false.
Xanadu: “As things stand, our atheists here make the mistake of assuming that the only knowledge worth having is scientific knowledge. They are enslaved by the fallacy of empiricism:that only verifiable statements are “facts” and that all other statements are “nonsense”.”
How right you are – that’s definitely one of their major mistakes. But they make many more mistakes than that. In fact, one of the main reasons I’ve classified them as imbeciles is that they don’t even seem to be aware of the kinds of mistakes they make or could be making. Yet they drip on like leaky faucets.
Xanadu: “Here we have logical postivism at its crudest: AJ Ayer, Bertrand Russell, Wittgenstein. All good atheists.”
…or at least some kind of atheist. Russell and Wittgenstein had very high IQ’s, but their philosophies are now understood to be unsupportive of true theological reasoning. Russell’s theory of types, and for that matter ZF set theory, are no longer regarded as foundational languages even in pure mathematics, and as far as concerns Wittgenstein, what can one say of a philosopher whose main premise seems designed to undermine everything he wrote of it? No basis for theological reasoning there, I’m afraid. Like mentor, like pupil.
Xanadu: “And all sexual reprobates too, incidentally.”
That I didn’t know, but I’ll take your word that some sort of evidence exists for it.
Xanadu: “And so it seems that all their intelligence and transcendent genius didn’t get them very far! Ayer and Russell were at it like rabbits all the time. As for Wittgenstein, I read in his biography that he was into the homosexual rough trade and spent time up leather-jacketed studs in parks. Of what use intelligence if it leads to moral anarchy and lack of self-control?”
What use indeed? (I haven’t read that biography. I’ve heard rumors that Wittgenstein was homosexual, but thought them dubious because of his reputed asceticism. But while most modern gays are more flamer than ascetic, I’ll grant that things were quite different in Wittgenstein’s day.)
Xanadu: In my view, a belief in God is the basis of all morality. Without God, Dostoevsky declared, every evil act was permissible — including the savage rape and murder of a little child. DO WHAT THOU WILT becomes the universal law.
Exactly. (I like Dostoevsky – he’s one of my favorite authors.)
Of course, DWE & company seem to have bungled even DO WHAT THOU WILT, construing it to mean “full speed ahead to a nihilistic date with suicide by racial self-cannibalism”. Philosophically speaking, they seem quite accomplished at whacking themselves in the nose, kicking their own rear end, and lighting themselves on fire so as not to be cheated of ultimate annihilation.
But just to finish on a constructive note, let me remind our readers of why theology has everything to do with White survival. Consider this quote from Professor MacDonald:
“Since I am an evolutionist, I see all religion as a sort of ideology — a belief system that gives meaning and coherence to the world, and motivates behavior. The only important question is whether the ideology furthers or hinders the evolutionary aims of the people who believe in it.”
http://www.ety.com/HRP/philosophy/nietzsche-religion.htm
Evolutionary psychology is not just about group survival under conditions of evolutionary competition; it’s about surviving even in the absence of external competition, i.e., sustaining psychological health and intellectual vitality under all circumstances. Philosophers like Nietzsche are fine when it comes to telling us how to vanquish competitors, but useless when it comes to forming a constructive worldview conducive to the establishment and maintenance of healthy and vibrant societies which harness the full power and creativity of the group.
Religion is potentially adaptive because it counters the non-adaptivity of nihilism, which ultimately makes no distinction between survival and extinction and thus cripples the psyche for evolutionary purposes. Whether people like DWE are hateful Jews or just hopelessly confused Caucasian gentiles, their nihilistic claptrap is obviously corrosive and highly non-adaptive from a White perspective. Theological understanding has the potential to immunize White people against that kind of poison.
Could some other kind of understanding do the job just as well? I think not, if only because nihilism is both ubiquitous and self-reinforcing. The more one believes in it, the less resistance one has to it. We thus need very deep, very powerful convictions to fully withstand it. Like it or not, religion, almost by definition, has a virtual monopoly on that kind of intellectual depth and power. Call it something different if you like, but the thrust remains identical.
This is all too insane.
There’s nothing else to say.
I’m glad you feel that way. You obviously wouldn’t know where to start, so if you can manage to hold your silence, it will be probably be better for all concerned.
@ fgh
You and I think alike on many issues. I find it refreshing to read your comments, which I often find very insightful. One point of difference though, is I’m probably not as pessimistic as you seem to be above when you say, in reference to Whites, that healthy organisms don’t get sick. My view is that the disposition to egalitarianism that seems embedded in the White genome, and that is currently causing such a big problem, was once a strength. Unlike the Jews, at least through most of their history, the White race as we know it today grew by accretion. First Greeks and Romans saw themselves as equals; then Romans conquered and incorporated into themselves the northern tribes. The Western part of the Empire eventually came to be defended by the legions of the Rhine and Danube, ethnic Germans for the most part. This sort of growth by accretion was enabled by the biological technique of instilling Whites with an inborn predisposition to egalitarianism, manifested in the culture by the concept of Roman citizenship. Only now, after it has tried to incorporate an inherently subversive race such as the Jews, or an inherently incompetent and even subhuman race, such as the negro, has this biological innovation, unique to the White race, caused problems which threaten to end its existence. In this way is the sickness you remark upon just a bad side effect; not, in this case, of a technique consciously developed, but of a biological technique developed and nourished in the White race through the exigencies of evolution. A strength has become a weakness.
Of course, when I’ve mentioned bad effects above, I’m not referring to morality. It’s just another way of saying unintended side effects, particularly side effects which impact the survival of the White race adversely, or destroy what are commonly thought of as its racial characteristics. I take it for granted that you and others here believe that these things are worth preserving. But you do seem to verge on nihilism, if you are not already there. If so, I’d urge you to take heart. Things may not be so grim as you think.
@ Xanadu
“… it would never be possible to prove Santa’s non-existence.”
But it is possible to prove that an omnipotent being, i.e., God, is a logical impossibility. Can God make a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it? Like a round square, an omnipotent God is a logical impossibility and so cannot exist.
“God’s existence is most unlikely ever to be proved beyond all doubt, but a time may come when some great scientist may offer convincing arguments and equations to advance the hypothesis that God MUST exist in order to explain the universe in all its complexity.”
So first even you look to science! But then you say:
“As things stand, our atheists here make the mistake of assuming that the only knowledge worth having is scientific knowledge. ”
How does that differ from what you are doing, above? It doesn’t.
“They are enslaved by the fallacy of empiricism:that only verifiable statements are “facts” and that all other statements are “nonsense”. ”
As Hawking in effect states above, where we have scientific knowledge, we have no need to have recourse to God as an explanation for anything. In historical and anthropological terms, God’s existence was posited as a way of explaining the why’s of things before science came along. Stripped down to bare essentials, science is the project to abolish God; to propose alternative explanations for the why’s of things that are within the domain of rational comprehension. When the project of science is complete, there will no longer be any need for God at all.
But Lasha, in conclusion I must add that I have no problem with women believing in God, although it does distress me that you think of him as a Jew. But as a great man once said, Kinder, Kirche, und Küche – these are the province of women, and are three things that often require kneeling. I think women should go down on their knees on a regular basis. :-) For them, it’s very becoming. But it’s not proper for either a scientist or a philosopher to do so.
Many of the “White” women in American porn are not actually Whites, but rather people who simply look White enough to ‘pass’ – the OO had an article about this topic last year, about how many Kalash people look White but DNA-wise they are not: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Sallis-Cuckoldry.html
In American porn a large percentage of the “White” women are in fact heavily mixed people (call them ‘Whites if you want) who have the superficial traits of being White (light eyes and maybe hair, if not they dye it) when in fact they are part Jewish, gypsy (more of these in the USA than you think), Hispanics, very mixed Asiatics, Amerindians, etc. For instance, one of the more popular “White” porn actresses is Sasha Grey, who has engaged in some of the most depraved modern porn imaginable – yet while she looks rather White, her mother was some kind of Asian and her father was a Greek – http://www.twinfactory.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sasha_grey.jpg – not exactly Northern European or what most think of as “White.”
In particular a large number of the “White” women in American porn are Jewish at least partially – and also gypsies, who are huge in to porn, prostitution, drugs, etc – they will do virtually anything for easy money (and remember the gypsies are originally from India, though they have acquired many European genes over the centuries). Again, many of these women can easily pass as White if they have light eyes, since all they have to do is dye their hair a few shades lighter and stay out of the sun and they look a lot more European even though they are a part Jewish, Gypsy, Asian, Hispanic, Amerindian, etc. But their DNA is mostly non-White: remember the saying “Don’t judge a book by its cover”? Don’t assume that all women who merely look White ARE White, especially the gutter-trash you see in porn.
Who cares about the actual White women who are in the porn industry? As commenter Xanadu pointed out above, a huge percentage of porn actresses are drug addicts, from abusive families, etc etc – this people are the scum and trash of the (part) White gene pool, so who cares what they do?
DWE: “But it is possible to prove that an omnipotent being, i.e., God, is a logical impossibility. Can God make a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it? Like a round square, an omnipotent God is a logical impossibility and so cannot exist.”
I can’t say I didn’t know it was coming. It’s the old Groucho-versus-Three-Stooges Proof of the Nonexistence of God. (This is the shtick that clinched it for Groucho in the historic Battle of the Borscht Belt Comedians back in the summer of ’57.) And here I thought it was dead as a bone except for maybe a decrepit club or two in the Catskills! Just goes to show you.
Groucho explained it in his victory speech as he tapped the ashes off his reeking stogie into the solid gold trophy, reportedly one of the first castings from the Fort Knox repo (as revealed only to the Chosen of the Chosen).
“All this bit actually ‘proves’,” he confessed as his eyebrows writhed like two furry black caterpillars stuck to his forehead with chewing gum, “is that a plainly inconsistent definition of “omnipotent” is in fact inconsistent. What a surprise! But the trick is, gluing it to God without Him noticing! You know, like a ‘Kick Me’ sign!”
The all-Jewish audience burst into laughter and applause at the thought of God with a “Kick Me” sign taped to his Holy Tuchis.
Then Groucho gestured dramatically toward the hapless Stooges. “So would you believe these three shmendricks ate it up it like ducks in a popcorn factory?”
The Stooges, obviously caught off guard, were mortified. Their jaws dropped in unison as the audience cracked up at their expense.
“By the way,” added Groucho. “I hear these three bums walked by a flea circus the other day. As soon as they passed, the owner noticed they’d stolen the show!”
It was pandemonium in the auditorium! People were rolling in the aisles! Larry and Curly had to restrain Moe as he lunged toward the stage with murder in his eyes!
“But seriously now, folks,” continued Groucho. “”What you got to do is make up the most ridiculous definition of “omnipotent” you can think of. You got to insist that God create a stone too heavy to lift, and then break his own rule just so you, some little pipsqueak nebbish, won’t call him a weakling. And then you have to make like he’s all-powerful even though he just caved in to your ridiculous demand!”
It was a good five minutes before the hurricane of laughter died down. It got so loud that the walls of the place expanded like the skin of a balloon!
But Groucho had saved the best for last. The all-time master of comedic timing, he rolled his eyeballs and paused for effect. “Maybe a God like that *deserves* a ‘Kick Me’ sign on his tuchis!”
If the roar had been any louder, the roof would have popped off the joint and landed in Philly!
I guess DWE must have been there.
Who cares about the actual White women who are in the porn industry? As commenter Xanadu pointed out above, a huge percentage of porn actresses are drug addicts, from abusive families, etc etc – this people are the scum and trash of the (part) White gene pool, so who cares what they do?
Non-white men. I’ve heard references to the behavior of “White women” on the internet, from south american, asian, and black men. They seemed to extrapolate “White women’s” sexual morals and desires from what they viewed online. Either that or they just wanted to get under my skin, or both.
DWE,
This quote from Einstein will perhaps help to provide you with a slightly different perspective:
“The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books — a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds.
That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.”
http://www.sherryaustin.com/Quotable.htm
It seems Einstein was a staunch believer in the argument from design. Remember it was he who said, “God does not play dice with the universe.”
WHY GOD PROBABLY EXISTS
“Can God make a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?” White Angel asks, allowing the indefatigable eurodele a chance to wrestle with this paradox by pointing out that Groucho Marx had already had much to say about God’s role as a would-be weightlifter.
I imagine this amusing scenario: God getting increasingly stronger and omnipotent with each larger rock he manages to lift. The end result of all this weightlifting? Obviously God manages to lift an infinitely heavy rock, thereby making himself infinitely strong.
If God started out by lifting a less than infinitely heavy rock and only just managed to lift it, this would mean that God was NOT infinitely strong and omnipotent at that time. This cannot be so, since God is by definition omnipotent. It therefore follows that God, in order to be omnipotent, must ALWAYS be able to lift an infinitely heavy rock.
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All this reminds me of the medieval scholastics who used to spend their time arguing how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. Or Zeno’s paradox that suggested that a flying arrow would have to remain motionless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes
Actually, White Angel, this attempt of yours to prove the logical impossibility of God’s existence by adducing this “rock lifting paradox” is unworthy of your towering intellect. Your argument can easily be demolished if we delve into the bizarre world of quantum physics and consider the paradox of Schrödinger’s Cat.
According to the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, a cat placed within a sealed box is simultaneously alive and dead. And yet, when we actually look in the box, we see that the cat is EITHER alive OR dead — not BOTH alive and dead at the same time.
So here we have a universe in which, to the perceiver, the cat is EITHER alive OR dead at a particular point in time. And yet, in the universe itself, in the absence of the same perceiver, the cat is BOTH ALIVE AND DEAD SIMULTANEOUSLY.
Don’t laugh. This is no joking matter. We are here on the farthest frontiers of science — at the borderline where science melts into mysticism.
All is explicable in terms of the Many Worlds hypothesis. According to this bizarre branch of quantum physics, there is, in layman’s terms, a very large — perhaps infinite — number of parallel universes.
In these parallel universes, everything that could possibly have happened in our past, but didn’t, has occurred in the past of some OTHER universe or universes.
The mind boggles.
We are here at the farthest reaches of science: a science in which, for example, there has been serious discussion of Alice in Wonderland universes in which time actually runs backwards
Indeed, Richard Feynmann won the Nobel prize for Physics as far back as 1967 for his equations arguing precisely for such reversed time universes.
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The great evolutionist JBS Haldane emigrated to India where he spent the last years of his life steeped in Indian mysticism. He was convinced that whatever the most brilliant scientists had to say about the mysteries of the universe had already been said and thought and worked out by the great Oriental sages. Quantum physics and Vedanta may seem strange bedfellows, but the fact is they have already coalesced and cohabited.
Wasn’t it JBD Haldane who said, “The universe is not only queerer than we imagine, it is queerer than we can imagine.”
The universe is indeed so weird and wonderful that it would be the easiest thing possible for it to accommodate a God.
What, after all, is so improbable about the existence of God?— given that NOTHING could be more improbable than an infinitely expanding infinite universe resulting from a Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago out of an infinitesimally small subatomic particle?
I find it relatively easy to believe in God for precisely the reason Tertullian gave long: CREDO QUIA ABSURDUM. I believe because it is absurd.
If God and the Universe were not absurd, we wouldn’t be here. We are the spawn of absurdity.
Xanadu
(aka Lasha Darkmoon)
WHY GOD PROBABLY EXISTS
“Can God make a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?” White Angel asks, allowing the indefatigable eurodele a chance to wrestle with this paradox by pointing out that Groucho Marx had already had much to say about God’s role as a would-be weightlifter.
I imagine this amusing scenario: God getting increasingly stronger and omnipotent with each larger rock he manages to lift. The end result of all this weightlifting? Obviously God manages to lift an infinitely heavy rock, thereby making himself infinitely strong.
If God started out by lifting a less than infinitely heavy rock and only just managed to lift it, this would mean that God was NOT infinitely strong and omnipotent at that time. This cannot be so, since God is by definition omnipotent. It therefore follows that God, in order to be omnipotent, must ALWAYS be able to lift an infinitely heavy rock.
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All this reminds me of the medieval scholastics who used to spend their time arguing how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. Or Zeno’s paradox that suggested that a flying arrow would have to remain motionless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes
Actually, White Angel, this attempt of yours to prove the logical impossibility of God’s existence by adducing this “rock lifting paradox” is unworthy of your towering intellect. Your argument can easily be demolished if we delve into the bizarre world of quantum physics and consider the paradox of Schrödinger’s Cat.
According to the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, a cat placed within a sealed box is simultaneously alive and dead. And yet, when we actually look in the box, we see that the cat is EITHER alive OR dead — not BOTH alive and dead at the same time.
So here we have a universe in which, to the perceiver, the cat is EITHER alive OR dead at a particular point in time. And yet, in the universe itself, in the absence of the same perceiver, the cat is BOTH ALIVE AND DEAD SIMULTANEOUSLY.
Don’t laugh. This is no joking matter. We are here on the farthest frontiers of science — at the borderline where science melts into mysticism.
All is explicable in terms of the Many Worlds hypothesis. According to this bizarre branch of quantum physics, there is, in layman’s terms, a very large — perhaps infinite — number of parallel universes.
In these parallel universes, everything that could possibly have happened in our past, but didn’t, has occurred in the past of some OTHER universe or universes.
The mind boggles.
We are here at the farthest reaches of science: a science in which, for example, there has been serious discussion of Alice in Wonderland universes in which time actually runs backwards.
Indeed, Richard Feynmann won the Nobel prize for Physics as far back as 1967 for his equations arguing precisely for such reversed time universes.
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The great evolutionist JBS Haldane emigrated to India where he spent the last years of his life steeped in Indian mysticism. He was convinced that whatever the most brilliant scientists had to say about the mysteries of the universe had already been said and thought and worked out by the great Oriental sages. Quantum physics and Vedanta may seem strange bedfellows, but the fact is they have already coalesced and cohabited.
Wasn’t it JBD Haldane who said, “The universe is not only queerer than we imagine, it is queerer than we can imagine.”
The universe is indeed so weird and wonderful that it would be the easiest thing possible for it to accommodate a God.
What, after all, is so improbable about the existence of God? — given that NOTHING could be more improbable than an infinitely expanding infinite universe resulting from a Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago out of an infinitesimally small subatomic particle?
I find it relatively easy to believe in God for precisely the reason Tertullian gave long ago: CREDO QUIA ABSURDUM. I believe because it is absurd.
If God and the Universe were not absurd, we wouldn’t be here. It’s an absurd universe.
Xanadu
(aka Lasha Darkmoon)
What, no response from master philosopher Der Weisse Engel?
Oh, I get it.
From the moment Der Weisse Engel saw my post he was convulsed with laughter. Someday he intends on reading it!
But seriously now folks, DWE simply wants the White race to accept his resignation. See, he despises any race that will have him as a member!
Really now, folks, it’s obvious that DWE is a Groucho protege. We know that now by his plagiarism of Groucho’s notorious “Disproof of God” shtick. But he’s still falling a little short of his idol. Maybe he needs to take another tip from his comedic mentor:
“Years ago, I tried to top everybody,” confessed a repentant Groucho, “but I don’t anymore. I realized it was killing conversation. When you’re always trying for a topper you aren’t really listening. It ruins communication.”
Cheer up and don’t be such a Groucho, DWE. You can read, right? So read my post already, and maybe you too, like everyone else around here, will see the mile-wide holes in all those nihilistic, anti-Christian, anti-White, misogynistic arguments you’re outgassing all the time like Mount Vesuvius on chile peppers.
You goofy dimwitted little shlemiel you! ;-)
@ Lasha
God’s omniscience is similarly vulnerable to attack as a logical impossibility, viz.: “Does God know how to design a universe so complicated that even he cannot understand it, or predict all of its possible future states?”
In fact, some might argue that that describes our universe exactly. If so, then he’s not omniscient, either.
But if that’s true, what good is God? A non-omniscient, non-omnipotent God isn’t good for very much, is he? Imagine the following conversation between you and God:
Lasha: “God, will the White race emerge into a new dawn, or will it be destroyed?”
God: “Beats me, kid. Haven’t the foggiest!”
Lasha: “But will you help us, at least?”
God: “I’d love to, but I really can’t interfere. Rules of the game, you know! Rules of the game.”
Admittedly, he’s a being of superior intelligence, sort of like how we might imagine super-intelligent aliens from a distant galaxy, but he’s not the sort of God upon which religion is predicated. In a lot of ways he’s kind of a has been; his glory days are past. Perhaps one might negotiate with such a God just to keep on his good side, like negotiating a peace treaty with those aliens. But he wouldn’t really be a proper object of worship.
In any case, our philosophical discussions of God are entirely separate from the question of whether or not the Jewish supremacist Jesus was his incarnation. I would like to know how you came to this conclusion. Why do you worship a Jew who refers to Whites as “dogs”? How do you, as a White woman, justify the worship of a Jew who claims to be the Prince of Peace and wants to be made King of the World, and yet who demands that any who oppose him be brought before him and killed, just so he can enjoy watching them die? (see: the Parable of the Talents).
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Lasha:”I believe because it is absurd.”
Thank you, Lasha.
The prosecution rests. :-)
Der weiße Engel,
what a fake. I recall him getting upset about mentioning the ADL.
figures he’s likely Adam.
@ Der weiße Engel
It’s very hard arguing with you, my friend. It’s easy enough for you to make mincemeat of me and my arguments if you ascribe views to me which I do not possess.
Your ideas of God are, I have to say, extremely narrow and parochial ones. And you assume that everyone shares these trite views of yours. You jabber on about God’s “omnipotence” and “omniscience”, for example, in order to prove that such a God could not exist. Big deal. But the success of your argument depends on your major premise that we all agree with you that omnipotence and omniscience are attributes of God.
You go on to compound your errors and display even further philosophical naievté by saying that if God were NOT omnipotent and omniscient he wouldn’t be much use to us as a God. And behind all these dreary assumptions of yours as to the nature of God, is your glib assumption that everyone else must share your anthropomorphic conception of what God OUGHT to be if he were to exist at all.
You are obviously unaware that the greatest mystics have always maintained that NO ATTRIBUTES can be ascribed to God. Apart from the fact that he EXISTS, nothing can be said about God with any certanty. No adjectives can be heaped on “his” head. He cannot be characterized as “all-powerful” or “all-knowing” or “good” or as anything else. Existence is not an attribute, but this is the only thing that the greatest mystics have maintained can be said about God with surety: HE EXISTS. Period. Nothing more can be said about God.
So all your ingenious attempts to prove “his” non-existence by ascribing the attributes of omnipotence and omniscience to him fall flat. Sure, many simple-minded Christian pastors ascribe these attributes to God, but that’s their problem. They have no right to say that God is omnipotent and omniscient. More fools they for saying so. What evidence do they have for his omnipotence and omniscience? None whatever.
You fall into the same mistake as these simpletons.
My Christianity is not YOUR Christianity. The Christianity you so easily tear to pieces and demolish is YOUR Christianity — or rather your very limted CONCEPTION of what Christianity is. That’s fine, White Angel. If it gives you satisfaction to ridicule this imaginary and conceptual Christianity that exists only within the seething neurons of your own mind, pray go ahead! This is no problem for me. MY Christianity remains untouched! :)
You see, it is a totally different bird, my Christianity, to the bird you shoot down so easily!
I don’t worship any “Jewish supremacist God”, so I have no problem in that area. (I hear, in any case, that Jesus was not a Jew, though that’s an entirely different question I lay aside). I’ve read my New Testament as much as the next man and the passage in which Jesus refers to casting crumbs to the dogs under the table has never offended me. Nor was I ever aware that Jesus was refrrring to the “White” race when he referred to those dogs under the table. He was referring to the gentiles, i.e., all non-Jews.
Also, dear White Angel, when Jesus said “Salvation is of the Jews”, does it not occur to you that Jesus was being ironical? We all know that irony is a distinct Jewish characeristic.
No, my Christianity is not the parochial maiden aunt Sunday School Christianity you find it so easy to ridicule. I view Christ through the prism of Vedanta and Indian philosophy and Buddhism and quantum physics. This is a Christ your ridicule cannot reach because you don’t even know what Christ I am talking about.
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A final point. Of course Darwin had a catastrophic effect on conventional Christianity. Idiots who had believed that God created the world in 4004 B.C. were naturally devastated when Darwin came along and told them they’d evolved from apes.
The monothesistc religions were definitely threatened by Darwinism. But not Buddhism. Not Vedanta. All the great Oriental religions were completely untouched by Darwinism. So we’d evolved from apes? Big deal. No problem for Gautama Buddha! So we weren’t the center of the universe? So what? Indian philosophy already knew that and was accustomed to the idea of an infinite number of universes.
No matter what science has to say, it cannot in any way affect BRAHMAN — though it can certainly put a dent in the maiden aunt Christianity you like to erect in order to kick it into the shrubbery.
It is true what commenter Anonymous said above. Southern Cali, where all the commercial American porn is made by the Jewish mafia, and California in general is Jew, Hispanic, and Gypsy central. Many of these people, and especially the lighter skinned women, can definitely pass as White even though they are not White except only in a partial sense.
So in fact many of these porn actresses, though they might be partial Whites, are heavily intermixed with Jews, Hispanics, Gypsies, and other non European ethnic groups. Just because they have light skin and maybe light eyes does not mean they are White considering the prevalence of those features among other non European groups through centuries of admixture.
Lasha: “Apart from the fact that he EXISTS, nothing can be said about God with any certanty. No adjectives can be heaped on “his” head. He cannot be characterized as “all-powerful” or “all-knowing” or “good” or as anything else. Existence is not an attribute, but this is the only thing that the greatest mystics have maintained can be said about God with surety: HE EXISTS. Period. Nothing more can be said about God.”
Oh.
If that’s true, then saying God and the Jew Jesus are the same thing is wrong.
So why do you say so, and worship this Jew? ;-) In your passion and your fury, you forgot to answer the question.
Xanadu: “Existence is not an attribute, but this is the only thing that the greatest mystics have maintained can be said about God with surety: HE EXISTS. Period. Nothing more can be said about God.”
Xanadu, you’ve insightfully identified the ancient strain of mystical thought according to which divine attributes are unknowable. This current is especially attractive to artistic types like you. However, inasmuch as mystics are not logicians, it may require a bit of qualification.
First, this particular mystical thesis comes very close to being paradoxical and thus technically invalid. That’s because, while denying knowable attributes to God, it knowingly makes an attribution to God. Specifically, it attributes to God the property of “having no knowable attributes”. It is thus false by its own light.
In 2-valued logic, a statement is either meaningful or meaningless. Meaning is conferred by attribution. Therefore, a God without attributes is meaningless. On the other hand, a meaningful God has attributes. For example, to call God “the Creator of the Universe” is to attribute to God the property of being the Creator of the Universe. To call God “Love and Beauty” is to attribute to God the property of being Love and Beauty. To call God “the light of my soul” is to attribute to God the property of being the light of your soul.
If there’s one thing that God is not, it’s “meaningless”. Indeed, God is the ultimate source of meaning; meaning is perhaps the main benefit derived from a relationship with God. Therefore, God possesses attributes, including the meta-attributes “existence” and “imparting meaning”. (The distinction between an attribute and a meta-attribute is technical; the latter is a function that takes attribution as an argument.)
It is on this logical basis that Jesus is associated with God in Christianity, where he functions as a human exemplar and thus as a gateway to heaven. That is, to attribute to Jesus the attribute “being the Son of God” is to attribute to God the attribute “being the Father of Jesus”. Christianity is quite impossible unless God is understood as a definable entity which possesses attributes.
Sorry to interject, but I thought it better to clear up this minor point of confusion before it led to any false (DWEeb-style) conclusions. If you have any further questions about theology, philosophy, mathematics, or science that might affect this discussion, don’t hesitate to run them by me (even I have to ask questions sometimes).
Der weiße Engel @ September 9, 2010 at 8:58 PM
Lasha: “Apart from the fact that he EXISTS, nothing can be said about God with any certanty. No adjectives can be heaped on “his” head. He cannot be characterized as “all-powerful” or “all-knowing” or “good” or as anything else. Existence is not an attribute, but this is the only thing that the greatest mystics have maintained can be said about God with surety: HE EXISTS. Period. Nothing more can be said about God.”
DWE: Oh. If that’s true, then saying God and the Jew Jesus are the same thing is wrong.
Here again you make the mistake of assuming that I am an orthodox Christian and subscribe to the doctrine of the Trinity. Why do you assume that I believe that God and the historical Jesus are identical? I do not subscribe to this view. In many ways, I would be regarded as a Christian heretic. I believe that the Logos, or Christ principle, is God. And how is the historical Jesus related to the Logos?
Well, St John puts it this way in his Gospel:
“In the beginning was the Word (Logos). And the Word was with God. And the Word was God…And the Word (Logos) became flesh (= Jesus) and dwelt among us.
DWE: So why do you say so, and worship this Jew? ;-) In your passion and your fury, you forgot to answer the question.
Tsk, tsk! I’m not going to reproach you for your childish inability to distinguish between chalk and cheese. Or to fathom the Higher Mysteries. Why ascribe opinions to people they don’t have? Easy enough to knock down straw men, isn’t it?
Let the great Pascal have the last word. If you can understand his drift and agree with it, you would have acquired some humility and made progress. :)
“Le cœur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connaît point. On le sent en mille choses. C’est le cœur qui sent Dieu, et non la raison. Voilà ce que c’est que la foi parfaite: Dieu sensible au cœur.”
My Translation:
“The heart has its reasons, of which reason knows nothing. We feel it in a thousand things. It is the heart that experiences God, not reason. This, then, is perfect faith: God known and felt in the depths of the heart.”
eurodele @ September 10, 2010 at 5:11 AM
Thanks for these profound thoughts, eurodele. I don’t disagree with anything you say, even though what you say would seem to contradict my idea of a God without attributes.
You would understand my position better if you were to see the world through my eyes. I look at God through the prism of Indian philosophy and particularly Vedanta. (Which is compatible, incidentally, with quantum physics).
The God without attributes, often called the Absolute in Christian mysticsm, is BRAHMAN in Indian philosophy. But then Brahman has various “aspects” and trifurcates into a triniity: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. These “lesser manifestations” of the Supreme Godhead certainly have attributes. Brahma is the creator God, Vishnu the maintainer, Shiva the destroyer.
The historical figure Krishna is taken to be a human embodiment or avatar of Vishnu. Of course he has attributes and is worshipped all over India in the same way that Christ is worshipped in the West.
From the point of view of Indian philosophy, Christ is just another avatar of Vishnu, who is himself a manifestation of the Supreme Godhead, Brahman. Christ and Krishna have often been compared.
In theory, innumerable Christ or Krishna figures — all different personalities and NOT Christ or Krishna clones — may have been incarnated in all the planets of the countless galaxies where intelligent life is to be found. In each case the incarnated God is an avatar.
The idea that Christ is just an avatar comparable to any of the great prophets of the past, such as Buddha or Mahavira, is not accepted by any Christian denomination apart from the Unitarians. It’s considered a Christian heresy to believe this.
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In classical Hinduism, Brahman alone reigns supreme over the universe.
According to Vedanta, moreover, the entire physical universe with all its countless beings is no more than a dream in God’s mind. We exist merely as figments in God’s imagination. The physical universe is a kind of mirage. Time and space are unreal. There’s no real difference between I and Thou.
As it says in the Upanishads, speaking of the Creator’s descent into his creation:
“Thou art woman, thou art man,
Thou art the youth, thou art the maiden,
Thou art the old man tottering with his staff;
Thou facest everywhere.”
(Svetasvatara Upanishad)
Curiously enough, Brahman and his Dream World universe — an idea to which I am myself extremely sympathetic — is more or less replicated in Jewish Kabbalah. The Kabbalists call their Supreme Godhead Ein Soph.
To my mind, there is very little difference between Brahman and Ein Soph and the Logos.
The Christan system, however, lacks the idea that life is a dream. The idea of maya, or the illusoriness of existence, is totally lacking in the Western tradition.
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I quoted St John above on the Logos. And I quoted Pasal who said “The heart has its reasons.”
I’ll end this discussion with a quote from St Paul which will tell you that I set no great store by my own ideas:
“I see though a glass darkly.”
Xanadu: “To my mind, there is very little difference between Brahman and Ein Soph and the Logos.”
The difference is very little indeed, but it is not nonexistent. This distinction admits of very precise technical elaboration. (This may already have been accomplished by an author or two; I could easily formulate it myself in technical language.)
You mention that Vedanta is consistent with quantum mechanics. Yes it is, at least in part. And of course, since you see the connections between Christianity and Hinduism, you also understand that Christianity is consistent with quantum mechanics as well. The relationship can be pursued to considerable depth.
You’ve clearly devoted a lot of high-quality thought to these issues. It shows up in your writing, which is one reason why I so enjoy reading it. By all means, keep it up!
eurodele: “Christianity is quite impossible unless God is understood as a definable entity which possesses attributes.”
Leave it to eurodoggie to take over 400 words in 7 paragraphs to state the obvious.
@ lasha
lasha: “Why do you assume that I believe that God and the historical Jesus are identical?”
That’s what Jesus himself says, and I am taking it for granted you believe him. In the book of John he claims to be self-identical with God.
lasha: “The idea that Christ is just an avatar comparable to any of the great prophets of the past, such as Buddha or Mahavira, is not accepted by any Christian denomination apart from the Unitarians. It’s considered a Christian heresy to believe this.”
And with good reason. If the Jew Jesus is not the (only) Way, the (only) Truth, and the (only) Life, which he claims to be in John 14:6, then a lot of the Bible becomes unintelligible. Such a view also has many other problems. What about Mohammed, for example? Is he equal to Jesus? The doctrines preached are quite different. Also by contrast, Buddha taught that there is no soul (anatta), and not only said that he was not God, he said that there is no God. If Christianity is not the only Way, then there is the additional problem of separating philosophy from religion. Why not accept someone like Epictetus or Diogenes or Socrates as Jesus’ peer? In short, it doesn’t seem to me like you’ve really answered the question why you worship this particular Jew. According to what you’ve just said, you could have chosen any of a number of “avatars”. So why him? Or do you mean, by quoting Pascal, that this is something you can’t explain and was a choice of your womanly heart? :-)
DWEeb: “Leave it to eurodoggie to take over 400 words in 7 paragraphs to state the obvious.” [Re: my statement that “Christianity is quite impossible unless God is understood as a definable entity which possesses attributes."]
I count a total of fifteen words there, DWEeb. In the language of your forefathers, that makes you a sort of cognitive Shlimazl when it comes to quantitative reasoning. You try to count the steps, but seldom get to the top of the staircase…and even when you do, nothing goes right for you upstairs.
Of course, the sentence you quote was originally accompanied by several supplementary paragraphs intended for readers who might need a little refresher on how the logic of attribution bears on theology…like you, for example. You commit more illogical acts of philosophical misattribution than Toucan Sam has Froot Loops.
If you want me to catch you in some more, just keep outgassing.
@ Der weiße Engel
You argue on doggedly, relying as always on the facullty of reason. And assuming that I must be either stupid or behaving in a highly irrational way to remain unconvinced by your arguments — all of which, admittedly, sound very reasonable.
Your quote from St John’s gospel is an excellent one. It’s in this same Gospel that Jesus says, “He who hath seen me hath seen the Father. I and my Father are one.” You see, I don’t mind quoting something that would appear to make nonsense of my own arguments!
All I can do is repeat what I’ve already said: “I see through a glass darkly.” I don’t have the answers. I don’t rely on reason. To you, this is the ultimate crime. Because it disarms you. You are helpless in the presence of someone who tells you, “F**k reason! Screw logic!”
And so I quote Pascal once again:
“The heart has its reasons, of which reason knows nothing. We feel it in a thousand things. It is the heart that experiences God, not reason. This, then, is perfect faith: God known and felt in the depths of the heart.”
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I’m not trying to “defeat” you in argument”. Because what I believe in cannot be established by argument. If it cannot be established by argument, it cannot be demolished by argument either.
Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony is just a collection of sounds, one after the other. Being moved to tears by those sounds is totally unreasonable. Freud, who was tone deaf, felt this way about music. You are like Freud. Or like someone who says: “Why are you moved by that sunset? How silly!”
Love is a most unreasonable emotion. Falling in love is irrational. We are just a collection of dancing atoms, no? So why waste time on love or music?
God belongs in the same category as love or music.
Would you force people not to listen to music if you thought music listening was a totally irrational way to behave? No, you wouldn’t. So why try to stop people listening to God?
For that, in essence is what religion is all about: listening to God in the silence of the heart.
@ Der weiße Engel
“Also by contrast, Buddha taught that there is no soul (anatta), and not only said that he was not God, he said that there is no God.”
I mentioned Buddha with approval in a previous post. So you bring up this fact of Buddha’s atheism to show how inconsistent I am. How can I, a believer in God, speak with approval of Buddha the atheist? Isn’t that crazy?
No, Buddha is no threat whatsoever to my Christianity. He has been a great help. My Buddhist beliefs actually complement my Christian ones and reinforce them.
Buddha certainly did not assert that it was necessary to be an atheist to be a Buddhist, which is what you are implying. He said it didn’t matter if you believed in God or not. Millions of Buddhists throughout the world actually believe in some kind of God, though a sizeable proportion of Western Buddhists are atheists.
I was recently asked to answer a question put by a poster on another site: could I explain why so many Jews gravitated toward Buddhism?
I replied that it was because Jews tend to be deracinated skeptics who believe in nothing; it was for this reason they take to Buddhism like ducks to water.
Jews are extremely attracted to the Oriental religions and it will be found that they have a greater than average tendency to dabble in in all kind of cults, as Kevin MacDonald makes clear in Separation and Its Discontents (pp.24-25).
My reply to this poster was printed in full as a mini-article on this site a couple of weeks ago. You may find it worth reading. It will show you that I am fully aware of Buddha’s so-called atheism and that it doesn’t matter to me in the slightest. I was once a Buddhist myself, as I reveal in this article.
ON BUDDHISM AND THE JEWS
http://timster-howdarei.blogspot.com/2010/08/from-dr-lasha-darkmoon-on-buddhism-and.html
The existence or non-existence of God is a side-issue. One in which Adumb has succeeded once again in drawing debate away from the existential crisis facing European Man. The tack he takes is clearly as he conceives it to drown his interlocutors in a sea of his Jewish facility for less than succinct verbosity. It will not matter to him, as it would for a properly constituted White intellectual, to have won on the merits of common conception; but to merely have worn his opponent down with a profusity of verbiage and obfuscation. This is the Jewish tradition of pilpul. No wonder the Krauts came to the conclusion that it is futile to argue with a Jew in matters of your own interest that impinge upon his own (and our very existence impinges upon the interests of the Jew as he sees it). The Great Decider is then to be resolved in one’s own mind what one’s interests are (in this case, to continue to exist at all!) and to crack the skulls of any Jews who see fit to gainsay that whatever. The real issue is what need be said to the lemmings to get them on board with that; as I’m sure Adwarf is well aware. Hence his prodigious efforts to distort the refining of a effective message to that end.
Oh, and Adim, you do know that this is where analytical reportage is more or less the extent of what is done. If you wish to try to peddle your squalid wares in more challenging environs I do now formally invite you to attempt it at Majority Rights. That is, if you have the balls, little man. For a Jew, a questionable prospect indeed.
^ ”little man”?
LOL me thinks you’ve been reading a little to much feminist literature …
Captain Chaos: “The existence or non-existence of God is a side-issue.”
I agree with some of your post, but you’ve got this one disastrously wrong. To any Jew, God – by whatever name He is called – is indeed the central issue.
You see, Jews define God synonymously with their collective self-interest, as divorced from the interests of the Goyim. (That’s what they mean when they call themselves “God’s Chosen People”.) The nature of God is therefore central to their behavior. To disagree with this and say that it’s really “just their racial self-interest” is incorrect, because moral justification of their racial self-interest, which is what they accomplish by equating it to the self-interest of God, is clearly the source of their collective morale and long-term group integrity.
On the other hand, those Jews who believe what DWEeb professes to believe (atheism) have rather stupidly substituted their own interests directly for those of God, in effect claiming functional equivalence to God on the material plane. Given the many failings and weaknesses of Jews, probably including DWEeb, this is an absurd invitation to ridicule, disrespect, and displacement, and thus inconsistent with long-term Jewish interests.
Instead of letting God direct things (teleology), atheistic Zionists attempt to do so “in loco Deo”. In place of the will of God, equivalent to the collective interests of mankind as instantiated by natural human evolution (survival of the fittest in something resembling natural setting as opposed to an artificial socioeconomic setting controlled by Jews themselves), they follow (e.g.) Nietzsche and directly insert their own will to domination, behaving in such a way that “they might as well be God” for practical purposes. Then they mock and belittle the notion of a metaphysical God so that their own practical, material “Godhood” cannot be overcome by the faith of their opponents.
Unless this is clearly understood over at “Majority Rights”, its participants (you included) have no chance whatsoever of curbing Nietzschean dullards like DWEeb. You can’t defeat the little buggers by virtue of conviction or numerical superiority alone; you can only do so by out-thinking them (at which point your correctness properly supports your convictions rather than ass-backwards and vice versa). That’s because the will or “rights” of the present (White) majority need not coincide with the long-term benefit of humanity, or if one prefers, God…especially when the current majority still has its noses glued to the boob tube like a bunch of morons who don’t even have the wits to be disgruntled by their subjewgation.
Let’s try to keep our eye on the ball here. Between the “I’m a dolt who pretends to understand philosophy but haven’t a clue” camp, the “I care not a fig for logic” camp, and the “Let’s go over to ‘White forever!’ and duke it out like real men!” camp, we’re in trouble. Bad trouble.
Whites need to learn to use their heads for more than holding up their propeller beanies. Don’t just sit there and spin yours instead of thinking clearly.
lasha: “… Jews tend to be deracinated skeptics who believe in nothing;”
Jews, deracinated?!? I don’t think so, babe.
Whites who worship a Jewish supremacist God who calls them dogs to their upturned snouts … now THAT’S deracinated.
lasha: “You are helpless in the presence of someone who tells you, “F**k reason! Screw logic!” ”
RedOne, Konvict
GaGa, oh-oh, eh
I’ve had a little bit too much, much
All of the people start to rush, start to rush by
How does he twist the dance’ Can’t find a drink, oh man
Where are my keys’ I lost my phone, phone
What’s going on on the floor’
I love this record baby but I can’t see straight anymore
Keep it cool, what’s the name of this club’
I can’t remember but it’s alright, a-alright
Just dance, gonna be okay, da da doo-doo-mmm
Just dance, spin that record babe, da da doo-doo-mmm
Just dance, gonna be okay, d-d-d-dance
Dance, dance, just, j-j-just dance
Wish I could shut my playboy mouth, oh oh oh-oh
How’d I turn my shirt inside out’ Inside outright
Control your poison babe, roses have thorns they say
And we’re all getting hosed tonight, oh oh oh-oh
What’s going on on the floor’
I love this record baby but I can’t see straight anymore
Keep it cool, what’s the name of this club’
I can’t remember but it’s alright, a-alright
Just dance, gonna be okay, da da doo-doo-mmm
Just dance, spin that record babe, da da doo-doo-mmm
Just dance, gonna be okay, d-d-d-dance
Dance, dance, just, j-j-just
When I come through on the dance floor checkin’ out that catalog
Can’t believe my eyes, so many women without a flaw
And I ain’t gon’ give it up, steady tryin’ to pick it up like a car
I’ma hit it, I’ma hit it and flex and do it until tomorr’ yeah
Shawty I can see that you got so much energy
The way you’re twirlin’ up them hips ’round and ’round
And now there’s no reason at all why you can’t leave here with me
In the meantime stay and let me watch you break it down
And dance, gonna be okay, da da doo-doo-mmm
Just dance, spin that record babe, da da doo-doo-mmm
Just dance, gonna be okay, da da doo-doo-mmm
Just dance, spin that record babe, da da doo-doo-mmm
Just dance, gonna be okay, d-d-d-dance
Dance, dance, just, j-j-just dance
Woo! Let’s go!
Half psychotic, sick, hypnotic
Got my blueprint, it’s symphonic
Half psychotic, sick, hypnotic
Got my blueprint electronic
Half psychotic, sick, hypnotic
Got my blueprint, it’s symphonic
Half psychotic, sick, hypnotic
Got my blueprint electronic
Go! Use your muscle, carve it out, work it, hustle
I got it, just stay close enough to get it
Don’t slow! Drive it, clean it, lights out, bleed it
Spend the lasto
(I got it)
In your pocko
(I got it)
Just dance, gonna be okay, da da doo-doo-mmm
Just dance, spin that record babe, da da doo-doo-mmm
Just dance, gonna be okay, da da doo-doo-mmm
Just dance, spin that record babe, da da doo-doo-mmm
Just dance, gonna be okay, d-d-d-dance
Dance, dance, just, j-j-just dance
Quel charmant – a boombox cuddilin’ nexa propella beanie, abobbin an’ aboppin troo de ‘hood! Dass philosloppy awright.
Why not unglue that schnoz of yours from MTV and do some reading? Remember the words of your guiding light, Groucho Marx:
“I find television very educational. Every time someone switches it on I go into another room and read a good book.”
More relevant words were never spoken.
Eurodele, God as typically understood is not exactly a perishable quantity. And I cannot see Him desiring the destruction of what is excellent and beautiful, namely our race. Securing our existence is though our responsibility. We will certainly be punished immensely for not doing it, and rewarded handsomely for doing it.
As for Adunce, it never seems to have occurred to him that were Jews to effect a sea change in their orientation towards our race and civilization that would then defang any permanently dogmatic objection to their presence amongst us. It could likely be he himself believes such a change is not possible. If it is not, we should not feel terribly guilty in removing from our lives; it will not be as if Jews were not given every opportunity to mend their ways.
Der weiße Engel
@ September 11, 2010 at 7:31 AM
You quote me as saying, “You are helpless in the presence of someone who tells you, “F**k reason! Screw logic!”
And then you cast ridicule on these seemingly silly words of mine by quoting a Lady Gaga lyric that epitomize all the brain-dead imbecility of one who has lost her marbles. Implying, of course, that Lady Gaga and I belong in the same category of moronic airheads.
You misunderstand me, White Angel. You will admit this if you ponder the meaning of the famous lines below:
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
(Book of Ecclesiastes, St James version, Chapter 3).
Yes, White Angel. There is a time for everything! There is a time to make use of logic and reason, and there is a time to cast logic and reason aside. There is a time for ratiocination and there is a time for visceral reponse. There is a time for logic-chopping and there is a time for love.
One has to experience God before believing in him. His existence is implicit in that personal experience. Those who have had no personal experience of God have every reason to doubt his existence,
If you’ve never been to China, you have every reason to doubt its existence — as indeed some of the skeptical scholars of the Middle Ages doubted the existence of Cathay before Marco Polo actually got there and described it in detail.
Many many great saints, mystics, sages, shamans, rishis have been Marco Polos in the Country of God, describing the terrain in detail. Are all deluded? From your standpoint, yes.
But I don’t think even you, White Angel, would put all these wise men and women of the past — Plotinus, Eckhart, Pascal, Shankara, Ramakrishna — into the same camp as Lady Gaga.
If you possess the slightest grain of intelligence, you will have to admit that there is a time for logic and reason and there is a time to put logic and reason to one side.
One does not make use of logic and reason when listening to a Beethoven symphony or Mozart string quartet. To do so would place one at a positive disadvantage. There are times when logic is a liability — not an asset.
Have you ever ever seen a beautiful woman across a room, White Angel, and been smitten by her beauty and fallen madly in love with her? If so, tell me: did you subject her to the Ontological Argument first to check if she really existed? Did you analyse your emotion and ask yourself if you were behaving in a rational way? Did you fall in love with this woman intellectually, applying the principles of Aristotelian logic at every step?
Yes, I bet you did! And that’s why you have a problem. Concede defeat, White Angel. Have the humility to admit you are wrong.
As for me “worshipping a God who is a Jew”, are you so intellectually impoverished as to think that anyone could be so foolish as to ascribe Jewish ethnicity to the Universal Mind?
“One does not make use of logic and reason when listening to a Beethoven symphony or Mozart string quartet. To do so would place one at a positive disadvantage. ”
There is a certain delicious irony to your suggesting this is frame of mind is proper just after I have, to use your word, “ridiculed” you by suggesting you do the same to Lady Gaga’s music, isn’t there? And why should one be preferred to the other? You may blush to realize it or admit it, but White sluts all over the land are following your prescription exactly. Don’t think too much, just bust that stick, I wanna take a ride on your disco stick! To foresake reason is to foresake it. Why should it matter to which collection of noises it’s done? It’s the abandonment of reason you recommend indulging in that’s the issue here, and you don’t get to pick the time and place for others, nor their partners, which in this case will often be black or brown. Yet in truth, Lasha, my ambition was not to ridicule you, but to lead you to some conclusion like that.
Nor am I at all arguing against the existence of a sense of wonder at the universe, which is probably common to everyone under certain circumstances. I am merely saying what Hawking says in the quote above. You can call the laws of science God if you like, or call the universe itself God, but it’s not a personal God such as Christianity envisions. There’s no evidence for such a God that I have ever seen, there are internal contradictions which make the idea incoherent, and there is a much simpler explanation for the subjective impression that such a being exists than that he actually DOES exist. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. Still less is there any reason to suspect that the historical Jesus, if he existed at all, was the fruit of God’s loins.
No one, of course, is rational all the time. This ideal is more of an aspiration than anything obtainable in this world. But I am quite certain that reason can lead one to a better place than unreason. To understand the world as Diogenes or Socrates understood it, or as Buddha or Lao Tse understood it, is a better and far rarer thing than not understanding it.
@ Der weiße Engel
Yes, you argue very well and make some fine points, but try and understand that I have already been a resident in the country of your mind. (I studied Philosophy and Logic at university and I am fully acquainted with Occam’s razor which you quote, I see, in the original Latin.) I decided to emigrate to a new country of the mind because the old one brought me nothing but grief.
I value logic and reason. I would not be able to write publishable articles if everything I wrote was illogical and unreasonable. I merely say that there are times when logic and reason are not needed — when they get in the way. Surrealist art or literature is a good example. Sublime music is a good example. The Delphic oracle certainly made no use of logic and reason. Nor do shamans. Nor did the maenads and the frenzied followers of Dionysus.
Speaking of the maenads, there you have the slut culture of antiquity. I don’t approve of slut culture any more than you do. Sure, these girls are not too bright and they seem happy to behave irrationally. I think they are lost souls, replacing the precious with the numbness of pure sensation. Sex to them is simply another intoxicant.
In regard to sex, I believe in self-restraint. In the old values. I abhor permissiveness and laissez-faire values which only bring suffering in their wake. We owe this parlous situation to the Jews. After all, they control the mass media — so they are responsible for what gets into the mass mind. They have managed to corrupt us. To have done so, they have to be deeply corrupt themselves. No pure race could possibly inculcate impurity in others with such systematic thoroughness.
As far as I’m concerned, Lady Gaga can ride her disco stick to her heart’s content, so long as I don’t have to see her doing it.
All these slut celebrities like Madonna, Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Christine Aguilera and Lady Gaga are made famous by organized Jewry in order to set bad examples for the young and impressionable. They have no intrinsic talent. They are merely products of publicity.
They are designed to corrupt.
I’m not sure you understand what I’m getting at. I’m saying: logic and reason are important in many, if not most, spheres — but in certain spheres they become obstacles. Logic and reason are of course of vital importance in theology, but theology and the love of God — or direct experience of ‘him’ which the mystics experience — are poles apart.
Mystical experience, like music, needs to dispense with logic and reason.
To quote Pascal again. “The heart has its reasons, of which reason knows nothing.”
DWEeb: “I am merely saying what Hawking says in the quote above.”
Stephen Hawking is neither a philosopher nor a theologian, and it shows when he makes this kind of controversial, ergo attention-grabbing, ergo money-making assertion. (While something similar can be said of Groucho, at least we know that Groucho read many good books in order to avoid the television. Perhaps some of them were philosophy books.)
Having been trained in scientific methodology and its apparent metaphysical non-ramifications (leading at best to methodological or metaphysical naturalism), Stephen – like the vast majority of scientists out there these days – is a materialist or physicalist, neither of which would qualify or even permit him to wax authoritative about God or religion. Deep down inside, he almost certainly knows this.
This particular assertion is thus more likely to have originated with Stephen’s publicist than with Stephen himself. All Stephen needed to do was some opinionative or hypothetical filling-in of blanks. This will no doubt get him back on TV, debating with some young-earth creationist or another.
“You can call the laws of science God if you like, or call the universe itself God, but it’s not a personal God such as Christianity envisions.”
How does DWEeb know this with such tremendous conviction? The anwer comes in five simple parts:
F…A…I…T…H.
In short, DWEeb subscribes to an article of faith according to which God, if He exists at all, is utterly impersonal and neither needs nor wants anything to do with human beings.
Trouble is, there’s no supportive reasoning behind it.
(By the way, there are no “laws of science”. Science is utterly incapable of generating “laws” due to the problem of induction; it simply allows people to make educated guesses at what may well be “laws of nature”. The only knowable laws are those of logic and mathematics; break any of those, and you end up with inconsistencies. A single unresolved inconsistency destroys all support for meaningful cognition and observation.)
“There’s no evidence for such a God that I have ever seen,”
(i.e., wanted to see)
“there are internal contradictions which make the idea incoherent,”
(in fact, there is not a single one except in the unschooled imaginations of people like DWEeb)
“and there is a much simpler explanation for the subjective impression that such a being exists than that he actually DOES exist.”
(but unfortunately, not an explanation which has been shown to actually work.)
lasha: “In regard to sex, I believe in self-restraint. In the old values. I abhor permissiveness and laissez-faire values which only bring suffering in their wake. We owe this parlous situation to the Jews. After all, they control the mass media — so they are responsible for what gets into the mass mind. They have managed to corrupt us. To have done so, they have to be deeply corrupt themselves. No pure race could possibly inculcate impurity in others with such systematic thoroughness.”
The White race is entirely capable of lubricity all on its own. Who established the slut culture of antiquity, as you call the maenads? Who created the elaborate tortures, the manifold ingenious ways of executions, that were to be seen daily in the Colosseum? Not Jews, that’s for sure. In tortures and even in depravity, as in most other things, they are our epigones. I think it’s Suetonius who relates an anecdote about a famous woman poisoner who was made an example of there by being publicly fucked to death by a trained giraffe. The Romans enjoyed death, depraved sex, and bloodshed so much it was institutionalized as public entertainment for them.
Who corrupted de Sade? Baudelaire? Bataille? Sartre? None of them were Jews, or corrupted by Jews, AFAIK.
Here’s an interesting tidbit I ran across I offer for your delectation:
“The French writer Georges Bataille, also a Marxist revolutionary, wrote that he desired human beings, as a species, to move towards ‘an ever more shameless awareness of the erotic bond that links them to death, to cadavers, and to horrible physical pain. — One of a man’s attributes is the derivation of pleasure from the suffering of others, and that erotic pleasure is not only the negation of an agony that takes place at the same instant, but also a lubricious participation in that agony.’ And: ‘The movement,’ he held, ‘that pushes a man — to give himself (in other words, to destroy himself) — completely, so that a bloody death ensues, can only be compared, in its irresistible and hideous nature, to the blinding flashes of lightning that transform the most withering storm into transports of joy.’ He looked forward to a ‘post-revolutionary phase [of human history] when an antireligious and asocial organization [has] as its goal orgiastic participation in different forms of destruction’. He acknowledged that ‘such an organization, can have no other conception of morality than the one scandalously affirmed for the first time by the Marquis de Sade’. (9) The Marquis de Sade (from whose name the word ‘sadism’ is derived) had notoriously defended and advocated the committing of incest, rape, pedophilia, torture, infanticide, necrophilia, and committed whichever of them he could whenever he could. He wrote of murder that it was ‘often necessary and never criminal’. (10)
Michel Foucault, another comrade and ‘tragic hero’ of the European political left, vastly admired Bataille’s vision and lauded his aims. He endorsed Bataille’s ‘erotic transgression’, rhapsodised over ‘the joy of torture’, and longed to carry out, with his hero, a ‘human sacrifice’; murder performed as a holy act, a spiritual thrill and a work of art. The two of them dreamt of establishing ‘a theatre of cruelty’. But even that would not be enough. Foucault went much further. Cruelty should not be only an occasional act performed for the catharsis of one’s own soul, but a constant part of everyday life; a custom for all to follow. ‘We can and must,’ he wrote, ‘make of man a negative experience, lived in the form of hate and aggression.’ (11) And he did his personal best to make life short and miserable. He contracted AIDS in the bathhouses of San Francisco, and when he knew he had it, returned to infect other men. Experiences of pain, madness, fatal illness were what he called ‘edge situations’, much to be desired because they redeemed existence from its unbearable banality. Evil, in other words, far from being banal itself, was to him a means of redemption from banality.
Jean-Paul Sartre, perhaps the most adulated of all the twentieth-century philosophers in the French pandemonium, followed Heidegger in the belief that the supreme and most necessary task for a human being was to ‘live authentically’. He tells us what we should do to avoid ‘the sin of living inauthentically’: do what is forbidden because it is forbidden; transgress, for transgression is a way to ‘transcendence’. In other words, do evil to achieve the higher good. All Sartre’s heroes were on the side of the demonic. He proclaimed that the poet Charles Baudelaire’s soul was ‘an exquisite blossom’ because he ‘desired Evil for Evil’s sake’; and because he ‘saw in Satan the perfect type of suffering beauty. Satan, who was vanquished, fallen, guilty — crushed beneath the memory of an unforgivable sin, devoured by insatiable ambition, transfixed by the eye of God — nevertheless prevailed against God, his master and conqueror, by his suffering, by that flame of non-satisfaction which — shone like an unquenchable reproach.’ (12)
One of Baudelaire’s poems in Flowers of Evil lyrically celebrates the ravishment of a putrefying corpse. (An image highly suitable as a logo for the Europe of the ‘love-death’.) Elsewhere he declared: ‘In politics, the true saint is the man who uses his whip and kills the people for their own good.’”
The problem is that the temple of reason is built over the sewer of man’s animal nature. Most people dwell in the sewer and never get to go up into the temple. They behold its light but dimly, if they can see it at all. In antiquity, it was like that for many centuries, but with the advent of Christian “faith”, the Greek ideals of reason and self-control were fatally abandoned, the old heroes were overthrown, and a thousand years of darkness ensued. What an incredible tergiversation! Credo quia absurdum – something one can’t imagine Socrates or Diogenes ever saying. The substitution of faith for reason was a mistake, possibly a fatal error, for faith enabled man to delude himself that his nature was basically good, that salvation lay not in his own hands, but in the hands of God; and that his own animal nature was external to himself; a corruption, or temptation from outside, out of his control. Faith and the abandonment of reason thus gave rise to hypocrisy; man lost contact with himself. Granted, perhaps we would not have had technological civilization at all had it not been for this. But as it is easy to show, and as the example of birth control technologies I adduced above proves conclusively, technological civilization is really what is killing the White race. The Jews are like an opportunistic infection that strikes an already gravely weakened host. They feed on healthy tissue (what little remains), using pornography and mass media attacks such as manifested in Lady Gaga’s music like a catalytic enzyme, dissolving it and feeding on it for their own benefit. But the host wouldn’t have been weakened, and these attacks wouldn’t be possible at all, without the enabling technology which underlies them. When it’s gone, the Jews will no longer be a problem.
In my opinion, Xanadu, you’re going to have to suck it up, hard as that may be, and stop trying to argue with this crab louse.
Let’s face it, this creature is in probably the grip of multiple pathologies. He has sought out the most evil subterranean exemplars that he can find, generalized them to the entire species in utter violation of reality and the outer limits of induction, hungrily ingested their fecal literary output like so many nut-topped double-fudge brownies, and shaped his personal philosophy accordingly.
I expect you now understand that he’s either innately and irreversibly evil – no sense beating around the bush about that at this point – or bent on expertly simulating that condition for his own masturbatory self-necrophilic entertainment, which is again evil in itself. In either case, redemption would not seem to be in the cards. He’s using you as an occasion to pleasure himself – I’d guess that he has you cast in the role of de Sade’s faux-naif Eugenie de Franval or the like, but who knows? – and I’m sure you want and deserve neither that, nor any part of his further venomous maledictions against humankind and the White race in particular.
You know, after glimpsing his most recent puddle of pseudo-philosophical vomit, I’m glad I don’t know where he is. If he were in my geographic vicinity, I’d be strongly tempted to ride over there, find him, beat the sewage out of him on general principle, and stuff him in a dumpster myself. Then I’d stay there until a garbage truck drove off with its entire contents, all of which would have been permanently contaminated by physical contact with him.
You’re a big girl and free to do as you like, of course. Far be it from me to argue with that. But I do hope you refrain from any further attempt to sustain a rational dialogue with him. It simply can’t be done, and you might slip and get dirty trying.
@ Der weiße Engel
If I have time, I’ll get back to you after I’ve read through the entire article from the Atheist Conservative from which you quote a few bizarre extracts above, i.e., The cultivation of evil, the sickness of Europe.
http://www.theatheistconservative.com/tag/marquis-de-sade/
Meanwhile let me say, White Angel, that the writers whose ideas you advance with seeming approval — George Bataille, Michel Foucault, the Marquis de Sade and Jean-Paul Sartre — are not the type of men I would normally respect or admire. Doubtless this is a limitation in me. The world is full of brilliant and famous men, but we are not under obligation to adore them all indiscriminately. Some we are entitled to detest.
Please confirm, White Angel, that what you are saying is this: The White man is “the cancer of humanity”. A sick and moribund organism. He doesn’t deserve to survive. He is not being “corruped” by the Jews. He is already hopelessly corrupt and infinitely corruptible. The Jews are now merely feasting like vultures on this rotten cadaver.
So what then happens to the Jew? What is the Jew’s destiny once he has sucked the marrow from the White man’s bones and spat him out? How do you see the future, White Angel? A serious question: can we look forward in your estimation to a Brave New World, a multicultural Utopia? Or is it more likely to be a dystopia?
I merely ask out of interest.
@ eurodope
“You know, after glimpsing his most recent puddle of pseudo-philosophical vomit, I’m glad I don’t know where he is. If he were in my geographic vicinity, I’d be strongly tempted to ride over there, find him, beat the sewage out of him on general principle, and stuff him in a dumpster myself.”
LOL. Gotta love these tough-talking trannies. Give me your address, lady, and I’ll make it a point to stop in next time I’m in your area. Or are you all talk?
@ Lasha
lasha: “The White man is “the cancer of humanity”.”
The White man is okay, and nature will heal him soon enough. The cancer is technological civilization. Once it’s removed, what happens to the Jew? Good question. I predict he’ll shrivel back down to the tiny tribe of hate-filled pustules he was in Roman times. Maybe Whites will finally get it right and decide to crucify every last one of the hook-nosed freaks – every man, woman, and child. If both sides of the highway between Los Angeles and New York City are used, there should be enough room for all 6 million this time.
lasha: “He is not being “corruped” by the Jews. He is already hopelessly corrupt and infinitely corruptible.”
It’s no corruption. In ancient times he showed his original nature, quite as he was before your poisonous Christian faith introduced to him the notion of sin, and turned him into a hypocrite who can’t admit what he is. The 50,000 cheering Romans who looked on approvingly as gladiators hacked each other limb from limb, or who watched the poisoner woman get impaled on the phallus of a trained giraffe, or who watched and laughed at Christians being ripped apart by wild beasts, were White, and we can be sure they thoroughly enjoyed the spectacle. So also did these fine upstanding citizens enjoy crucifying 6600 slaves all along the 400 miles of the Appian Way from Rome to Brundisium, after failed revolt by Spartacus. The crucified bodies were left to rot, as a lesson to the others. In your flight from reality into mysticism, maybe being confronted with the White man’s original nature only disgusts you. But that’s your problem, not his.
lasha: “How do you see the future, White Angel?”
I see the demise of technological civilization, either by accident or because someone with the capacity to bring it about comes to understand that it’s necessary. Maybe this is why, when we look to the stars, there is no sign of life, only silence. I think there’s a good chance that technological civilization is a self-limiting phenomenon, no matter where in the universe it occurs. Perhaps it always ends this same way, like a fire burning itself out.
lasha: “A serious question: can we look forward in your estimation to a Brave New World, a multicultural Utopia? Or is it more likely to be a dystopia?”
If technological civilization doesn’t collapse, it seems clear that humanity itself eventually will be extinguished, because ultimately technology can have no use for it as it is. Therefore, man will become part of the machine, disappearing into it. Whether this is utopia or dystopia I will leave for you to decide.
DWEvil: “LOL. Gotta love these tough-talking trannies.”
I have absolutely no doubt that you’ve loved, and been loved, by quite a few of them….all at once, even. With whips, chains, nipple clamps, and your favorite rubber gimp mask.
But of course, for you, it wasn’t about the love, was it? No indeed. It was about an ever more shameless awareness of the erotic bond that links you to death, to cadavers, and to horrible physical pain. And let’s not forget the ravishment of a putrefying corpse.
“Give me your address, lady, and I’ll make it a point to stop in next time I’m in your area. Or are you all talk?”
Apparently I talk somewhat more than you listen.
What I said was, I’m glad I don’t know where to find you. So why on earth would I want you to find me? The result would be exactly the same in either case, and it’s something I’d find more than a little distasteful regardless of its complete moral correctness.
On the other hand, if you’re really dead set on a meeting, it’s obviously up to you to show a little initiative and provide an address.
Fire away any time you’re ready.
@ eurodele
“On the other hand, if you’re really dead set on a meeting, it’s obviously up to you to show a little initiative and provide an address.”
Be careful, eurodele, you could be biting off more than you can chew! :)
Btw, I admire you capacity for invective. I don’t have that gift alas. I’m engaging in dialogue with White Angel because I am genuinely interested in the weird ideas he propounds. Whatever you say about him, eurodele, you can’t say he is boring or that his ideas are pedestrian. If men like this exist, it is perhaps wiser to pay attention to what they have to say than to stick your fingers in your ears and scream, “Go away, douchebag! We don’t want to listen to all the vile garbage you spew forth! May you rot in hell forever!”
Your abuse is entertaining, eurodele. It brings a smile to my lips. Actually, I tremble a bit too, in fear that all your colorful vituperation may one day be directed at me! I hope not…
White Angel, or the former poster “Adam” as many appear to think, appears to have ruffled a great many feathers on this site. What he has to say is obviously unpalatable. But is he an evil Jew, as many appear to think, trying to sow mischief and undermine the collective morale on this site? If so, what do you make of these comments of his:
“What happens to the Jew [in the future]? Good question. I predict he’ll shrivel back down to the tiny tribe of hate-filled pustules he was in Roman times. Maybe Whites will finally get it right and decide to crucify every last one of the hook-nosed freaks – every man, woman, and child. If both sides of the highway between Los Angeles and New York City are used, there should be enough room for all 6 million this time.”
Is this a Jew speaking, eurodele? A cunning Jew pretending to be a Jew-hating extermationist goy? For what purpose?
@ Der weiße Engel
“If technological civilization doesn’t collapse, it seems clear that humanity itself eventually will be extinguished, because ultimately technology can have no use for it as it is. Therefore, man will become part of the machine, disappearing into it.”
A bleak vision of the future indeed. It reminds me a bit of:
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the day the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
Xanadu: “White Angel, or the former poster ‘Adam’ as many appear to think, appears to have ruffled a great many feathers on this site. What he has to say is obviously unpalatable. But is he an evil Jew, as many appear to think, trying to sow mischief and undermine the collective morale on this site? If so, what do you make of these comments of his: ‘…crucify every last one of the hook-nosed freaks – every man, woman, and child…’ Is this a Jew speaking, eurodele? A cunning Jew pretending to be a Jew-hating extermationist goy? For what purpose?”
Der Weisse Engel could be either a self-hating Goy or a Jewish agent provocateur, Xanadu. As you know, Jews can be quite anti-Semitic when trying to drum up anti-Semitic sentiment among those they want to provoke (his pseudonym speaks volumes).
But since he apparently declines to provide his address to me or any of the other good friends he has made during his involvement here, I’ll go ahead and explain, probably for the hundredth time for some participants, what he’s really about. (Yes, it’s obvious, but some poor ingénues may still be retching and rubbing their eyes in disgust and disbelief.) While I can’t promise to be utterly clinical, I hope that not too much more invective will be necessary.
Philosophically, this genius has now given us a complete run-through of his masturbatory technique, both showing his hand and shooting his wad. In all of the dismaying examples of cruelty and ugliness he gleefully presents, evil can be interpreted in one of two ways:
(1) as a ubiquitous potential to which sociopaths, the exceptionally morally weak, and other deviants sometimes spectacularly succumb,
or
(2) as the predominant universal characteristic of mankind, perhaps especially pronounced in the White race.
DWEeb has repeatedly exhibited a clear preference for interpretation 2…the one that violates empirical reality.
What do I mean by that? Even when one points to the sadistic rabble that frequented the gladiatorial spectacles in the Roman Coliseum, interpretation 2 is obviously absurd. If such examples were typical of humanity in general as opposed to rare anomalies occurring under pathogenic ideological and psycho-sociological conditions, humanity would long ago have extinguished itself in a suicidal orgy. Thus, the survival and steady development of humanity attests to the fact that although it exhibits both good or constructive and evil or destructive feelings and behaviors, the tendency toward goodness and constructivism is definitely the stronger.
Yet, peering insanely out at mankind from his S&M-themed hidey-hole like a wannabe Hannibal Lecter, pinwheels in his eyeballs and springs and fasteners popping out of his twitching ears, DWEeb persistently gets this backwards. He continues to scrape the bottom of the barrel of history and literature for the most soulless, diseased, subhuman vermin he can find, magnifying each demoralizing instance to gigantic proportions in the bottomless pit of his tenebrous mind. It’s a personal need that he has, or a Jewish demoralization technique, or both; in any case, it’s as evil and corrupt as the instances it selects.
In other words, while DWEeb prates and prattles on about “science”, he
(1) can’t even correctly evaluate a set of historical data, extract its statistics, and reason inductively about it on the basis thereof,
and
(2) deplores the technology thereby produced despite the many ways in which it has freed and empowered mankind.
Instead of following correct scientific procedure, DWEeb latches onto just those bizarre events that best resonate with his own dark pathologies, blows them up out of all proportion, preemptively emits a few absurd protestations of objectivity, and regales us with his own personal vision of the future: a neo-feudal sadomasochistic hellhole in which a few cynical twisted opportunists like Nero, Caligula, de Sade, Battaile, Baudelaire, Focault, and perhaps DWEeb himself make free with a helpless mankind shorn of all technological defenses and returned to animal skins, thatched huts, and subsistence agriculture.
Does anyone else see through this wishful nonsense? Of course they do. In fact, I’d guess that everyone sees through DWEeb’s nonsense. So why is this loathsome sewer rat still tolerated here, where a constructive and morally self-justifying outlook is absolutely required if the White race is to save itself?
Obviously, we’re dealing with something like a token dirtbag, an example of what others here should not emulate, but avoid like the ideological equivalent of a gasping, pus-raddled plague victim.
And that’s DWEeb in a nutshell for you. :-)
eurodele @ September 14, 2010 at 9:19 AM
“I hope that not too much more invective will be necessary.”
A forlorn hope, eurodele, with you around! :)
It’s largely an action-reaction, stimulus-response kind of thing. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. ;-)
@eurodope
“But since he apparently declines to provide his address to me…”
I am not the one making threats, you gutless wonder.
@ lasha
“Be careful, eurodele, you could be biting off more than you can chew!”
eurodope doesn’t chew. He sucks.
What a witty and adorable little “genius” is Der Weisse Engel! (Just ask him…and if he clams up on you, just look at his nickname and read a couple of his discombobulated posts.)
However, he sometimes experiences a little brain fart, as it were. For example, he loses track of the distinction between a threat and an ethical judgment…e.g., the judgment, with which pretty much anyone at all would agree, that DWE deserves to be bitch-slapped around a little and unceremoniously deposited in a dumpster. Inarguably, this is as close to a “natural fact” as an ethical judgment can come. It might as well have been carved in stone and carried down from the Mount by Moses himself.
When I merely said that I was glad I didn’t know where to find the adorable little fellow lest I feel morally compelled to execute the judgment in question, I didn’t mean that I was going to hunt him down for that purpose. Heavens, no! Why, that would have been violating his right to advocate death, destruction, and mayhem against White people from a position of utter safety and security in his subterranean S&M dungeon, on the dank wall of which he plainly dreams of one day hanging one or more of the disobedient White women, or perhaps men, who have been passing him over all these years (“Eeeewww…Yuck!”) like chicken manure.
I hope this helps to clear things up for everyone, and to restore some small measure of continuity to the nihilistic, Luddistic, pontifical ruminations of the adorable little genius himself.
Yet another fecal excrescence is squeezed out from eurotwerp, who seems to have an inexhaustible supply. He reminds me of a sea anemone. Totally spineless and basically nothing but a mouth, which is full of rot; and just like the anemone, his mouth and anus are the same opening.
Write another few hundred words making excuses for your cowardice, twerp. Refute the charge. Show us how smart you are.
Heh heh! (By the way, what was that address again?)