September 11 has become a milestone in modern America and is both the symbol of the War on Terrorism, the symbol of America attacked, and of the Cordoba Mosque, a symbol of the Muslim triumph over both Spain and the United States. September 11 is a monument to the comprehensive defeat of the Euroepan-American people, the founding people of the United States, a people now dispossessed of every measure of political, cultural, religious, and economic power.
September 11 has become an occasion for Muslims to express their hatred of us in the name of preventing their victimization by “islamophobia”. Friday night (September 10), on KIRO-TV in Seattle, half a dozen Muslim leaders and Muslim women were interviewed and the main word they had was hate. They were victims of hate, hate, hate. They are liars.
Seattle schools have prayer rooms for Muslims, allow Jewish religious organizations to operate in high schools, and ban Christian groups from meeting after school even in the playing fields. New York schools celebrate Jewish and Muslim holidays and ignore Christian holidays.
Like the manufactured controversy over the Cordoba Mosque, which celebrates both the Muslim conquest of Spain and of… Manhattan, manufactured by oligarchs like Michael Bloomberg (who has backed both the Cordoba Mosque in Manhattan and the burning of Qurans in Florida), the oligarch-controlled mass media gives us Pres. Obama honoring the service of Muslims in American uniforms fighting in Afghanistan: He pointedly honors no one else. (No wonder some Pakistanis are demanding he reveal himself to be a Muslim and declare the World Caliphate.)
Of course, the European-American Christian majority has no right to oppose the building of the Cordoba Mosque, has no right to defend its borders, has no rights to control its neighborhoods, its schools, or its cities; it simply has no rights at all.
There is a very real Clash of Civilizations going on, despite the hopeful Alliance of Civilizations advanced by Spain and Turkey, and Russia and Iran, and shunned by the United States and Israel. The Clash of Civilizations is not just between Christians and Muslims, since the war in Iraq was an Israeli war, fought for Israel by American mercenary armies (in the tradition of the Middle East): With Jewish militants shouting about the rise of Jewish Civilization on the ruins of Christian and Muslim civilizations it seems as if people would realize that at least three civilizations are involved: Christian, Muslim and (still inchoate) Jewish. Of course, in Huntington’s terms (and I do not fully agree with all of his parsing of the world), certainly Iran’s Shiite civilization (which Jews seek to destroy) and India’s Hindu civilization are involved in this Clash…. but the inchoate Tamil civilization has just been defeated and will not rise again for at least a generation.
In Seattle, a Christian priest who works in a foolish interfaith effort with a Jew and a Muslim made a true observation: He said that Islam may not be a religion of peace, but it is no more violent than Christianity or Judaism. This is basically true, since no successful religion refuses to defend itself. But his comment certainly doesn’t apply to contemporary Christianity. For generations Christians have unilaterally disarmed. In the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and western Europe this has coincided with the rise of an intolerant (the term is “zero tolerance”) oligarchic, substantially Jewish ruling class and a class of political syncophants who obey them. That’s why 70% plus of Americans oppose illegal immigration while the Attorney General, in one federal lawsuit after another, is outlawing anything that creates obstacles for the invasion of illegal aliens.
Any democracy in which supermajorities are routinely ignored is no longer a democracy: It is an Oligarchy. The Oligarchs have ruled the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and western Europe for generations to centuries and their control of the mass media ensures that no one even knows their name.
There are several clear indications of the powerlessness of Christian supermajorities in all of our homelands. (The only exceptions are certain states of the former Soviet Union; others, like Georgia, have simply become colonies of Israel.)
The failure to rebuild the only place of worship destroyed on 9/11: an Orthodox Church; Oligarch Bloomberg setting Christians and Muslims at each other’s throats by backing both the Cordoba Mosque in New York and the Quran burning in Florida (echoing George Soros’ support for Bosnia and Kosovo, aimed at making conflict between Christians and Muslims in Europe permanent); The burning of Bibles by the US Army to please Muslims in Afghanistan (see Military Burns Unsolicited Bibles Sent to Afghanistan); Routine Bible burning in Israel which has been going on for decades but is ignored in the Christian world because of Zionist influence on the media (see below: Bibliography of Bible Burning in Israel). Neo-cons never mention Israelis burning Bibles, but focus on episodes of Bible burning by Muslims (see below: Muslim Burn Bibles Routinely and Often).
9/11 is an appropriate kind of “Holy Day” for the European-Christian people who built America because the fall of the two towers is a major defeat. Ten years later they remain confused and manipulated, stumbling towards mass graves, through a cloud of smoke from the burning of Bibles by Muslims and Jews. In a brutal three way war, they are leaderless and disarmed. A people whose monuments celebrate only their victories are a childish people.
Like Southern Whites whose history began again with defeat, European-Americans are destined to know defeat. 9/11 has not resulted in most European-Americans realizing the nature of the game that is afoot, and their lack of awareness will allow their rulers to inflict new defeats on them. The defeats will come until we as a people are able to stand up and explicitly advance our own interests: Smashing a country like Iraq as ordered by Israel is no victory for us. It is simply a measure of our slavery.
Burning Qurans in Gainesville, Florida does not help the cause of European Christians. (I noticed on CBS News today that the sign for the Dove World Outreach Center was smashed by terrorists last night, but no one is concerned by terrorist attacks on Christians.) However, building the Cordoba Mosque at Ground Zero is a lot like the mass colonization of the United States by Somali illegal aliens after the military defeat of the United States by Al-Itihadd Al-Islamiyah in Somalia (the precursor of today’s Al-Shabaab). It is planting the flag of Somali conquest in our cities and of the Arabs at the site of the great Muslim victory in Manhattan.
And we are powerless to do anything to oppose it, so far, even as a multitude of Muslims in the United States seemingly spending every waking hour seeking an excuse to scream: Racist! Islamophobe!
I have often said that the War on Terrorism has two parts: The fun part, where the United States has infinite Chinese money to do anything it wants to do with impunity—smash their cities, slaughter their wedding parties, machine-gun their children, even as Affirmative Action Sub-Prime Mortgages gave millions of houses to minorities and illegal aliens.
And then there is the unfun part, when we lose interest in the war, have no more Chinese money to fight it, are paying $500 million in interest a day to China, and the Muslims begin the same kind of conquest the Somalis have waged against our cities and communities for 15 years. (Here in Seattle, the Mayor is planning to lay off city workers to meet increased welfare demands by the myriad Somali illegal aliens living free in vast new blocks of public housing.)
My Spanish ancestors fought for 700 years to free Spain of Muslim (and Jewish) rule. In that struggle, the first great Holocaust in history, the mass murder of Mozarabs (Spanish Catholics culturally assimilated by Islam) in Spain was undertaken by Muslims: One third of the Spanish nation was exterminated. (In the last thousand years, only the Qing extermination of the Dzhugarians was more complete.) The reconquest of Spain for Christendom secured it for half a millennium, a period of security that has ended with the collapse of Christendom and the triumph of the ideology of Cultural Marxism known as Multiculturalism, everywhere in the West.
Time is running out for European-Americans, even as their Afrikaner kin in Black South Africa are starving to death in virtual concentration camps in South Africa.
So 9/11, with its planned Israel victory monument at Ground Zero, and the Cordoba Mosque, both to celebrate their respective victories over European-America, are just symbols for a defeated people. The real question is whether European-Americans even want to have a future—even when the alternative offered to European-Americans by the Cultural Marxists is slavery. Slavery, even with drugs, video games and cable television, will not live up to the hopes of the many degenerate people craving it. Voluntary Extinction, as advocated by Asian-American terrorist James Lee who attacked the Discovery Channel a few days ago, does not have to be our fate.
Our future lies in what made our ancestors great. Live your life as if you believe in the future and bring your family and friends with you. We only have to be willing to fight for the future of our children.
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Facing the Future as a Minority
What a great article. Wow. Thanks.
Every September 11 should be the occasion to read powerful articles such as the most illiberal article that has ever appeared in the counter-jihad blogsite Gates of Vienna (article excerpts: here).
After just returning from Ground Zero to film the various protests and to stand with the “911 Truthers” and the “End the Fed” crowd, I’m more hopeful than ever.
The two main protests were the typical right vs. left partisan tomfoolery: the pro-mosque crowd led by the ANSWER Coalition was a typical Marxist affair, with the laughable addition of a Muslim attempting to leading a chant of “Allah Akbar” and met with embarrassed silence. The anti-mosque rally was even more laughable – opening prayers by an Arab Christian and a Jewish rabbi – the only white a Christian Zionist preacher. Lots of Tea Party signs – and Israeli flags. The English Defense League was there, wearing Israeli flags with a message of “all races fight Islam.”
Then there was my crowd – the 911 Truth/End the Fed group. This groups was virtually all white. There was no religious Christian Zionism evident, and a clear absence of Jewish participation. (The few Jews in the 911 Truth movement seemed to have abandoned them after the Israeli Mossad came under suspicion.) There was a strong opposition to the Federal Reserve System as well. The whites I talked to were very well educated about current affairs, seemed more informed than normal, and very “hip” about the ruling class in America (although virtually all would say “Zionist” not “Jewish”).
Just the differences in the physical condition said a lot – while the Tea Party crowd was stereotypically overweight and middle aged, the 911 Truth crowd were young and fit. Most seemed to have a fairly secular, modern, non-religious view of the world. While all three groups (pro-mosque, anti-mosque, and 911 Truth) were officially “non-racist” only one group was not led by Jews or other non-whites – the 911 Truth crowd. This group has grown to be extremely skeptical of the mainstream media (again, they would say “Zionist” not “Jewish”) and of corporate globalization (the other side of the immigration coin).
If there’s going to be a pro-white vanguard, I’d look to the 911 Truth/End the Fed crowd – and not the Tea Party Christian Zionists. A speaker mentioned that a few years ago they were met with hostile shouting, but not anymore. While it’s still very implicitly white and officially anti-racist, there are very much outside of the typical right vs. left partisan divide, and skeptical of ruling class propaganda.
Once all these very white, very gentile 911 Truth/End the Fed people learn about the Jewish program to replace whites in our own countries, I’m optimistic they could form a moderate-to-liberal branch of an A3P movement.
Investigate 911 and End the Fed!
Is this American Renaissance or Free Republic?
Oh it is TOOblog, got a bit confused there for a moment.
If you look at the Middle East, where Judaism, Christianity and Islam have existed, in unity, for centuries, you will find plenty of evidence contradicting your claim. There is such a thing as Arab Christians, who happen to live and go to church freely and without hindrance in predominantly Muslim countries… such as Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine and Syria… oh, yes, even in Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates (where one can even find Hindu temples!)
Muslims don’t complain about how Christians destroyed Lebanon by conspiring with the Jews of Israel, in fact the Shia Hezbollah protected the Christian families in South Lebanon from attacks from the Sunni and Christian Palestinians.
Mullah Muhammad Umar, 2002
Mahathir ibn Muhammad, Prime Minister of Malaysia, 16 October 2003
Christianity and Islam were written by Aryans,Aryan Romans and Aryan Persians, to try to contain the foe of our Race.
I’m not keen on conversion to Islam, but I do consider Islam to be far healthier than Christianity which, today, is just another weapon against our Race.
Like the manufactured controversy over the Cordoba Mosque, which celebrates both the Muslim conquest of Spain and of… Manhattan, manufactured by oligarchs like Michael Bloomberg (who has backed both the Cordoba Mosque in Manhattan and the burning of Qurans in Florida), the oligarch-controlled mass media gives us Pres. Obama honoring the service of Muslims in American uniforms fighting in Afghanistan: He pointedly honors no one else. (No wonder some Pakistanis are demanding he reveal himself to be a Muslim and declare the World Caliphate.)
It’s not that the managerial regime loves muslims-they’re just another tool to accomplish the demoralization and dispossession of the historic American majority.
We need a new descriptive name for our rulers: “managerial state” sounds too academic and neutral, “Zog” is antiquated skinhead talk, “Judeo-Bolshevism” is too Hitlerian, “Globalist” sounds Greenie-weenie and “Cultural Marxist” ignores the Wall Street dimension.
Every September 11 should be the occasion to burn the Quran in a public square across America.
I urge everyone to read the link Mr. Murray provides about the current misery of the Whites in South Africa and please pass it on far and wide. This is an absolute outrage; something must be done!
If the media doesn’t report it, it doesn’t exist. Remember the NYT reports downplaying, denying, and covering up the ‘rumors’ of famine in the Ukraine. Is history repeating itself?
I am quite sure that along with many others I reasonably assumed that the Gulags our friends have planned and prepared for us were probably not only a few years away but also would possibly require an organized, armed force of some kind to carry out against a resisting-to-some-extent, hypothetically at least, White population.
The contemporary phenomenon of South Africa shows these assumptions to be absolutely false. It ‘has begun’. It is not hard to imagine that the fate now experienced in South Africa; marginalized, shut out of employment, housing, politics, a numerical minority in a hostile anti-White zeitgeist, until finally ending up in squalid ‘camps’ slowly starving to death ignored by the state and media while the world turns a blind eye…is clearly America’s and the West’s future. Isolated, forgotten, and ignored. ‘Quietly’ starved to death. Is that how our race ends? We go out with not a bang, but a whimper? This nightmare must stop! Them today, us tomorrow! Absolutely outrageous.
An easy bit of investigation reveals the part that Jewish money interests played in the fate of White South Africa.
To make a long story short, Jewish bankers fed another group of White Christian Goyim to subhumans in hopes of profit for themselves.
In guardedly using the term “subhuman”, I naturally refer to the unquestionable, well-confirmed Black African propensity for unruly and violent behavior and social disorder. However – and here I must punctiliously suspend judgment – some have taken things a bit farther.
It is widely known, for example, that certain chimps and Gorillas, after being taught sign language, have been tested to possess IQ’s roughly on a par with the average sub-Saharan Negro. In fact, at least one is reputed to have tested roughly 1-2 sigma higher, somewhat above the average American Black. It has even been speculated that some especially clever species of monkey – spider monkeys, for example – may have average IQ’s in the range of African and even (part-White) American Negroes.
In other words, so goes the argument, although Blacks share more DNA with Whites than do the nonhuman primates – hence, the reproductive compatibility of Whites and Blacks – there may sometimes be rather less overlap between Blacks and Whites in the particular DNA that bestows intelligence and what we consider to be “human” cognitive and behavioral tendencies. As strange as it may seem, certain nonhuman primates might conceivably turn out to have as much or more in common with us upstairs.
Unfortunately, this thesis – absurd though it may sound, or may in fact be – is entirely consistent with the level of compassion displayed for Whites by the current murderous, kleptocratic SA regime. They might as well be a different (nonhuman) species. In fact, given their capacity for group hatred, they may be worse.
It is important to understand that given the economic enfranchisement of monkeys and the same number of shekels in the balance, the Jewish international bankers who spearheaded and financed the downfall of White SA would have done very much the same if the indigenous population of SA had consisted of monkeys. Instead of pimping for “Black rule”, they’d have been hot to trot for “Monkey rule”, feeding the White Christian South Africans to marauding killer apes in order to expand their own profits and sphere of influence.
Nice people indeed…and we’re their current specialty. Get ready for a ride.
It is my experience that, whatever their religion, people of color do not like Whites. Unless one understands that this is all racial competition then it is all too easy to be sidetracked down some blind alley.
Remember “FREEDOM FRIES?”
As to South African whites. All too many Afrikaners and also English, but surprisingly less than Afrikaners, DO NOT WANT TO HEAR anything about the role that Judaics played in the downfall of both Rhodesia and South Africa. There is nothing that can be done for such a people.
I think also that all signs show, and I hope and pray that it changes but as of now, there is no doubt that American whites will be as South African whites. Every cloud does have a silver lining however. The END of the reign of the architect of White genocide will also come due to their own handiworks, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
“… the European-American people, the founding people of the United States, a people now dispossessed of every measure of political, cultural, religious, and economic power.”
I just found out that this is a very powerful talking point. I haven’t been able to wake my family up about anything that’s going on. They just don’t want to hear it. However, when I hit on these four areas and said that we have no power, that got their attention. I told them, “We have no political, cultural, religious, or economic power in OUR nation.” This is the only thing I’ve found that’s aroused them from their apathy.
Jane Sampson: “I haven’t been able to wake my family up about anything that’s going on. They just don’t want to hear it. However, when I hit on these four areas and said that we have no power, that got their attention.”
Congratulations, sounds like you’re on the right track.
After your family gets over the shock and absorbs the reality you’ve shown them, why don’t you try asking them who it is that now dominates politics, culture, religion, and the economy inside (and outside) our nation, and thus actually holds all of the political, cultural, religious, and economic power?
Don’t answer for them; let it dawn on them as they think about it. If they say “corrupt White Christian politicians” or “Blacks and other minorities”, ask them who had the money to corrupt the White politicians who unfairly empowered the minorities while disempowering Whites.
If they then say “the corporations”, ask them who controls the corporations. Assuming they are intelligent, they will then be forced to admit that almost all modern corporations are heavily leveraged through major banking and investment houses, which then control them through their finances.
Once they get to this point, ask them if they know who controls the international banks and investment houses (Goldman-Sachs, Morgan Stanley, the US Federal Reserve, the World Bank, the IMF, the Bank of International Settlements, and so on). Only after letting them think about that for a bit should you tentatively mention the Z-, J-, and I-words.
Mention these words (Zionist Jews and their Israeli national facade) any sooner, or with too much conviction, and their social conditioning may kick in as designed, informing them that their poor wayward mother / daughter / sister / aunt / niece / cousin has been caught up in the global storm of “antisemitism” of which the mass media have taken such great pains to convince them.
Good luck!
Geez, where do I start?
It’s really troubling for me to see traditional conservatives drawn into sensationalist “debates” like a bunch of nit-wit neocons. I’m speaking of the honorable Pat Buchanan, who I have a great deal of respect for. C’mon, leave that stuff to Rush. But since you brought it up…
Quran burning: This preacher is a bit of bumpkin for wanting to burning any book, even a quran, but so what? Americans have been burning sacred icons for years. If soldiers die as a result of the burnings, it isn’t his fault. It’s the fault of a failed US foreign policy, a policy that should’ve caught Bin Laden and left Afghanistan years ago. And probably would’ve had it not been for the insane second front burden of Iraq.
The U.S. government wants to deny this man and his followers not one, but THREE aspects of his first ammendment rights:
-Freedom of speech
-Freedom of religion
-Freedom from a state established, or in this case, favored, religion
(since it’s still ok to burn Bibles, tarot cards and voodoo dolls in the U.S.)
Also, since when does a 50 member church warrant national media coverage? Is the government telling the media to suspend it’s first amendment right to freedom of the press so that soldiers won’t get killed overseas? No. And the press new very well what the result of covering such an “event” would be, given the violence following the Mohammed-as-terrorist cartoon in Europe, yet they still went ahead with it. I’d say they’re responsible for any resulting violence, more so than any small time preacher.
When moslems overseas say “do this or do that (in YOUR OWN COUNTRY no less) or we’ll kill Americans,” shouldn’t it be viewed by the US government as a hostage situation? Are we now negotiating with hostage takers and terrorists? (Well, I guess we aren’t actually negotiating with them…we’re more or less taking orders from them.) Anyway, when all is said and done, this is an event that the media created, not some guy in Florida.
Mosque: Another media event. A reminder to paleo-conservatives: It’s really a matter of states’ rights, folks. If New York wants to build a mosque or not build a mosque at ground zero, that’s New York’s problem/business/dilemma. Boy, there sure seem to be alot of New Yorkers out there!
I know that if my largely rural midwestern state suffered some major catastrophy or tragedy as a result of terrorism, I wouldn’t want the rest of the country claiming moral ownership of that tragedy, at least in terms of the appropriate way to commemorate the event.
Both of these stories shouldn’t even be stories outside of their localities.
It is the compassionate nature of European Christianity and especially the protestant version that is the problem. Marley’s ghost tells the mercantile Ebenezer Scrooge, “Mankind is your business.” Many Christians deem it their solemn duty to help the world’s poor and destitute.
The Refugee Act of 1980 allowed for the resettlement of 50,000 “refugees” per year into the USA. Under the act, Christian groups brought over 50,000 primitive muslim Somalis to the Twin Cities region of Minnesota, turning a once pristine mostly nordic area into a cesspool. The same with Lewiston, Maine.
Now, the hierarchy of the Catholic church push for immigration “reform,” to legalize the status of 12 million illegal mostly non-white aliens.
In this age of science and enlightenment, Christianity is an impediment to the health of the race.
To some extent, you’ve got a point – it is certainly true that the present multi-denominational Christian bureaucracy is an impediment to the health of the White race.
However, this would also be true of any corrupt, bribe-receptive, blackmail-susceptible religious bureaucracy dominating US society, regardless of its particulars.
My point is that corruption is all but religiously neutral. Therefore, one needs to look directly at the primary corrupting influence: International Jewry Inc. (Main investors/proprietors: the Rothschilds, Schiffs, Warburgs, Rockefellers, and so on, all of whom are beholden to the original Rothschilds).
Obviously, Judaism is as much a religion as Christianity. Therefore, even after the proprietors of commercial Christianity have been demoted to secondary status, religion can still be blamed for all our woes. However, in the case of IJ, Inc., the religion serves the Jewish race rather than vice versa. This can have theological validity only if what is good for the Jewish race is also good for the human race in toto. Unfortunately, we have ample evidence that this is anything but true. Accordingly, it can no longer be taken on faith, at least by non-Jews.
What then of religion? The Christian religion is indelibly associated with the rise and flowering of White culture throughout Europe and the New World. It is now an ingrained part of White identity; this is precisely why the Rothschilds (etc.) are trying to erase it, and with it our culture.
It will pay to bear in mind this important distinction between the Christian religion and the associated bureaucracy.
Eurodele wrote:
I agree with you. But just because a religion was dominant during a period of history when scientific explanations of things were lacking does not justify its being a permanent part of the culture, especially when the tenets of that religion are demonstrably false.
Pierre-Simon Laplace (1749-1827) was one of the greatest geniuses who ever lived. His contributions to mathematics and science are incalculable. The story goes that Emperor Napoleon asked Laplace why there was no mention of God in his monumental 5 volume “Mécanique Céleste,” which explained in minute detail how the universe worked, even postulating the existence of “black holes.” Laplace replied that “there was no need for that particular hypothesis.” Contrast that with Isaac Newton of an earlier age who believed that God must intervene to keep the universe on a steady course.
TGD: “But just because a religion was dominant during a period of history when scientific explanations of things were lacking does not justify its being a permanent part of the culture, especially when the tenets of that religion are demonstrably false.”
Interpreted metaphorically (and in my view, properly), the most important tenets of Christianity are anything but “demonstrably false”. Moreover, we have too much precious White history invested in Christianity to simply dump it; whatever post-Christian ideology may arise, it will have to preserve and remain consistent with that investment.
“Pierre-Simon Laplace (1749-1827) was one of the greatest geniuses who ever lived. His contributions to mathematics and science are incalculable. The story goes that Emperor Napoleon asked Laplace why there was no mention of God in his monumental 5 volume “Mécanique Céleste,” which explained in minute detail how the universe worked, even postulating the existence of “black holes.” Laplace replied that “there was no need for that particular hypothesis.”
But now we know better. Laplacian determinacy breaks down on the microscopic scale and leads to irreconcilable differences with an even more modern perspective, that of quantum mechanics. That’s a good thing for science, as it turns out, because Laplacian determinacy (1) robs us of all choice and freedom, reducing our lives to meaningless reenactments of already-determined causal trajectories, and (2) cannot account for primary causation or cosmogony due to the inductive exhaustion of determinacy, thus impairing our efforts to understand reality on extreme scales.
“Contrast that with Isaac Newton of an earlier age who believed that God must intervene to keep the universe on a steady course.”
And yet Newton is, and probably always will be, widely regarded as the greatest scientific titan of his era (and perhaps other eras as well). His mechanics are still in heavy use today and will indubitably remain so, and even his religious perspective is still widely embraced. We can’t discount the fruits of his intellect, especially when so many of his conclusions were drawn from first principles rather than the teachings and beliefs of others.
What kind of white people would be scared of Somalis?
Gang-raped White women maybe?
At the end of the day we have another hapless fool who was duped by the left wing idiots who claim mankind is destroying the planet. This one paid for his mistaken loyalty with his life.
^ a lot of them only claim rape afterwards as an excuse for sucking half a dozen black cocks concomitantly …
The churches in NY have done far more damage to white people than a mosque could ever hope to do. Look up William Sloane Coffin, Jr.
Yes, this is the exact reason that the Jews have positioned various shabbos goyim “patriots” like Alex Jones into leadership roles in these groups:
Alex Jones’ Jewish Connections
]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?16358-Alex-Jones-Jewish-Connections
http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?16358-Alex-Jones-Jewish-ConnectionS
9/11 was an Israeli false flag:
Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-
9-11-the-book
The 9/11 “truthers” are retards. The muslims did it. And they did because the muslim population was allowed to expand-one million more muslims have been added to the US population since 9/11 through legal immigration and muslim fertility-and expand some more. Osama Bin Ladin’s second in command-his personal physician laughed about it”America..no problem…America is a very open society”.
I can’t find words to dscribe my hatred of the 9/11 truthers.Fortunately no one takes them seriously. Alex Jones is on board with the demographic expansion of Islam in America.
The 9/11 truther retards-such as Paul Craig Roberts-lost the debate very early on. They were defeated on the fundamental relevant points. The debate is over…a long time ago.
We already know what George W Bush’s crimes are;1)war crimes in Irag and Afganistan and 2)a treasonous race-replacement immigration policy.
Alex Jones and the metally retarded 9/11 truthers-such as Paul Craig Roberts-are on board with the expansion of Islam in America. No one should hae any doubt about this.
If nothing else this article proves the point of a favorite expression of mine, “Baffle ‘em with Bullshit.”
The whole article presupposes Muslims were responsible for 911(OFT). In light of what we now know from studying the readily available FACTS that have come to light since and our understanding of the laws of nature, this conclusion is patently absurd.
Muslims had nothing to do with 911(OFT).
Nothing! FULL STOP! So stop blaming them, you nincompoops.
And why should anyone care that another religious sect wants to build an information and community center near the World Trade Center crime scene? Who are they hurting by doing so? …the ignorant and cranky racists who post their vitriol here? Gimmee a break. Who cares about Them except for the tiny collection of ignorant, hate-filled, powerless and resentful people who share their opinions?
…and unfortunately there ARE a few venal, racist haters who post here who never tire of blaming those they’ve been fooled into hating (ironically by those who hate them!) for their own cowardly night-sweats and their fears of the unknown. But if you clowns want to continue blaming strangers for your problems at least you could focus your attentions on the actually-guilty. You need to find a new boogie man because the fact is: Muslims didn’t “do” it!
Your own masters, (your own “RACE”, if you will), had to have helped massively to carry out this heinous act of terrorism in the Shadows created by your own complicit media fronted by big toothed, perfectly-coiffed waspy-looking “Anchormen and Newspaper Columnists”, by your own Academics, who despite the overwhelming influence of malign Jewish influence in the field of education, still make up the largest proportion of teachers and professors in your country, by the highest levels of your Courts where the last time I checked the majority were Catholic White People and by every one of your government agencies and departments. All these areas of your American culture have stood largely silent behind the Official Fairy Tale despite the fact that individually, they, (in many cases), have to know just who was (and continues to be) responsible for those thousands of murders on 911(OFT).
Tell me – do you really think every government department head is a Jew or some other minority with an axe to grind against white European people?
Why not, instead of believing the bullshit you’re being shoveled, you instead do the sensible thing and start looking for rational explanations for what’s going on all around you instead of depending on others to provide your opinions while at the same time they’re manipulating your natural predisposition to blame the “OTHER” for your problems. In other words, “When you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras.”
It’s your own selfish, brainwashed brothers and sisters who are selling your collective futures down the river. You have to deal with them first.
Muslims, as a group, should be way down your list.
This whole article is a red herring that assists your enemies more than your friends by taking your eyes off the ball. Stop wasting your energies fighting wispy, made-up mythical “enemies” and start focusing on the Real Monsters in your life.
My final advice to those who chose hate over understanding while contributing to this thread would be to start by looking inward at the mess you’ve made of yourselves before transferring your attentions to the outer world of which you obviously know very little.
Like I wrote previously, the 9/11 disinformation specialists-”truthers”- like the retard arthurdeco-and the retard PCR-are on board with the expansion of Islam in America. In the larger scheme of things the destruction of the Twin Towers by 14 muslim LEGAL IMMIGRANTS is a minor nusaince..compared to the race-replacement of Native Born White American Christian majority by high fertility muslim LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and their “American” born chlldren.
Like I wrote previously, the 9/11 disinformation specialists-”truthers”- like the retard arthurdeco and the retard PCR-are on board with the expansion of Islam in America. In the larger scheme of things the destruction of the Twin Towers by 14 muslim LEGAL IMMIGRANTS is a minor nusaince..compared to the race-replacement of Native Born White American Christian majority by high fertility muslim LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and their “American” born chlldren.
And thanks to Jupiter for so perfectly illustrating my point in his two posts that set up mine:
Bigot. Blowhard. Buffoon.
arthurdeco wrote:
“The whole article presupposes Muslims were responsible for 911.”
I disagree. Which is why I liked the article so much.
I will never understand how people who read blogs like this can believe that 9/11 was anything but an inside job. The United States government has arguably been the largest destructive force in Western Civilization for the last 100 years. It has been a force for usury, pornography, violence of every sort and a bludgeon to the remaining pillars of Western Culture. From Jekyll Island to Dresden to Dealey Plaza to Roe v. Wade to Piss Christ, the lust for power and destruction in America has been completely uninhibited by any rational culture. Culture is our enemy. Fickle Law is our God and they of the Law our Masters. We have no Grace. We have no leadership to tell us who we are, only who we are against. We are adrift.
9/11 was completely an inside job. And we’re all meant to know it. We’re all meant to buy in at the table so we can all be a part in the bloody feast of lies. It’s called Revelation of the Method. But ultimately it doesn’t matter. And this is why I liked the article so much. You don’t even need to understand that 9/11 was an inside job to understand that we are leaderless and adrift in a world of possible enemies and unable to define ourselves in any meaningful way. What this article says to me is that the enemy at the gate is timeless but defeatable. But the real enemy is inside, locking up our intellectual armor, terrorizing our psyche and undermining our capacity for building decent communities. And all the while telling us it’s actually someone else we need to fear.
The only thing we have to fear is our own cluelessness.
It isn’t cluelessness Spooky;it is the difficulty white christian people have in imagining treachery on such a large scale. We don’t want to believe that such evil could happen. It took years and lots of reading for me to overcome my disbelief.We cannot imagine ourselves doing such things and therefore have problems with idea that other supposedly “civilsed” people could do it.That is why Muslims are such a convenient scapegoat. They seem so different from us.
“It is widely known, for example, that certain chimps and Gorillas, after being taught sign language, have been tested to possess IQ’s roughly on a par with the average sub-Saharan Negro. In fact, at least one is reputed to have tested roughly 1-2 sigma higher, somewhat above the average American Black. It has even been speculated that some especially clever species of monkey – spider monkeys, for example – may have average IQ’s in the range of African and even (part-White) American Negroes.”
You can’t go around saying absurd things like this without sourcing them.
One good thing about this kind of forum is that one can discuss common knowledge – e.g., knowledge that’s been all over the popular media – without detailed sourcing. Those who require sourcing for everything they read should confine their attention to academic journals.
That being understood, “absurd” describes your subjective reaction to mental input, not necessarily the content of my post. If you find something “absurd”, you’re free to either ignore it or do your own research on it. Meanwhile, I’m free to go about my business, which is not filling the holes in your education.
However, since you seem a bit naive regarding this issue, browse up the notorious cases of Washoe the chimpanzee and Koko the gorilla (neither is unique in her species). Both were taught sign language, and both had their intelligence measured carefully on multiple occasions. Their IQ’s were found to be at or above the range of the average sub-Saharan Negro (in the 70-100 range), and by all accounts they were much nicer “people” and better citizens than the average urban street Black.
Back in the 60’s, Washoe was known to have a vocabulary of over 800 words ASL. Koko is still around, and she has a much higher working vocabulary than the average street Black (over 2000 words) and better English comprehension (she understands over 1000 words of spoken English). All words are used meaningfully and sensibly, albeit sometimes asyntactically…but show me some average Blacks, and I’ll show you asyntactic in spades.
As regards speculation about (e.g.) spider monkeys, it’s presented as just that – speculation. It’s out there, but you’ll have to find it on your own. Good luck.
Judy the Chimp, in the late 1960s, early 1970s, was an earlier example of the sign language using simian. Yet Judy’s brothers and sisters were held behind bars in institutions known as zoos. This was at the height of the struggle for freedom for all Africans in America, yet to this day these unDocumented Americans of African heritage are denied the same rights, benefits and privileges such as Obama’s Aunt Zeituni
(Slight correction: Koko has a working vocabulary of over 1000 signs and understands 2000 words of spoken English. These revised numbers still exceeed credible estimates of average working vocabulary and English comprehension for American street Blacks…but you’ll have to hunt up those statistics for yourself, as I suspect that certain parties may have tried to bury them.)
Eurodele said that “Laplacian determinacy (1) robs us of all choice and freedom, reducing our lives to meaningless reenactments of already-determined causal trajectories, and (2) cannot account for primary causation or cosmogony due to the inductive exhaustion of determinacy, thus impairing our efforts to understand reality on extreme scales.”
The idea that we have any true choice is an illusion. I think it is a gift of sorts; it is what keeps us going no matter what, looking after our children, etc. If we didn’t think that we could make & see results of choices, we would have all killed ourselves eons ago. So I guess there really is a creator of some sort who wants us to refine ourselves by forcing us to trudge upward & onward no matter how bleak things look.
It is goofy to think that we have “choice” in some areas but not others. The fact that we find ourselves led into certain places and situations that we cannot explain shows that something other than our conscious minds is at work.
Regarding #2 (above). Wise men meditating for years and leading clean and decent lives have been blessed with only glimpses of understanding. Why would a coarse people such as we are (look at most people’s daily way of life) somehow think we can figure it out?
Excellent article by James Murray, by the way. It looks like Muslims will soon be joining Blacks and Latinos as a privileged group which has the legal right to commit hate crimes against White people.
For other examples of how this “right” works in the US, see
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/09/14/hate-crime-hypocrisy/
(“Guess whut – it “Beat Whitey Night”, white-ass muvva@#$%az!”)
Barkingmad – you might think that free will is “goofy”, but so is Laplacian determinism.
It simply doesn’t work. Its mathematical setting is a static spatial array with absolute coordinates and a distributed time function. Unfortunately, this is inconsistent with known, experimentally confirmed facts like the invariant velocity of light.
As far as concerns “wise men”, that they existed in the past implies that they probably exist somewhere in the present, whether or not the system is roundly ignoring them for its own nefarious purposes. This opens up the happy possibility that human knowledge will continue to advance, building on past insight.
Cheer up – as bad as things may seem from your individual perspective, the world may not yet be the dull and dreary desert you seem to think it is. The forces of darkness have not yet emerged triumphant.
“And yet Newton is, and probably always will be, widely regarded as the greatest scientific titan of his era (and perhaps other eras as well). His mechanics are still in heavy use today and will indubitably remain so, and even his religious perspective is still widely embraced. We can’t discount the fruits of his intellect, especially when so many of his conclusions were drawn from first principles rather than the teachings and beliefs of others.”
So, which is it, Newton’s ideas, or “the invariant velocity of light”?
Neither, actually. It’s cosmology. Quantum gravity theoretically regresses toward an initial singularity in the neighborhood of which determinacy breaks down in a very decisive way; in effect, quantum uncertainty becomes manifest on the cosmic scale. This turns out to leave plenty of room for free will.
The invariant velocity of light is merely what destroyed the Cartesian array in which Newtonian and Laplacian mechanics were initially defined. The spacetime manifold of Special Relativity consists of a potentially infinite number of interpenetrating inertial frames of reference meeting the locally-Euclidean criterion of manifolds. With each of these frames is associated a self-stationary Cartesian coordinate system like that envisioned by Newton and Laplace; Newtonian mechanics still works on ordinary scales within each of these frames. That is, the spacetime manifold of SR is just an infinite multiplexing of coordinate systems related by the Lorentz Transformation.
Einstein assumed that because the laws of physics are everywhere the same despite coordinate changes between frames, determinacy remains in force. Thus, General Relativity is a deterministic theory. But then came quantum mechanics, which is nonlocal. That is, conservation of certain physical quantities requires “instantaneous contact at a distance”, thus compromising the underlying neighborhood topology of spacetime geometry.
Further explanation rapidly becomes prohibitive in the sense that more technical language is required.
I’m game! Let’s hear that more technical language. I may not get it – I can assure you I won’t – but there’s lots of people besides me who would probably be quite interested.
Who’s to say that Quantum Mechanics is the be all and end all anyway? When GR came along, just about everyone was peeing himself with delight at this great genius. What theory will next be the object of adulation? I remember, about 5 years ago, some scientist on the radio named Brian somebody (can’t recall last name) going on about “string theory”, which was some kind of fusion of GR and QM (I think) and how the interviewer could hardly catch her breath she was so worshipful.
Trust me, this ain’t the terminal point of science just yet. I’d be pleased to have a rational explanation of how my body knows how it’s supposed to work, and manages to, very well.
“I’m game! Let’s hear that more technical language. I may not get it – I can assure you I won’t – but there’s lots of people besides me who would probably be quite interested.”
In principle, that would be great! But it’s actually fairly complex, and I don’t have the time for such an ambitious project right now. (There’s already a certain amount of relevant information in that last post of mine.)
“Trust me, this ain’t the terminal point of science just yet.”
Agreed most heartily.
“I’d be pleased to have a rational explanation of how my body knows how it’s supposed to work, and manages to, very well.”
Wouldn’t we all! But I’m sure that an (at least approximate) explanation will emerge in good time. For now, we need merely know that modern science does not support a completely deterministic explanation of the universe, or for that matter your body – quantum mechanics alone is enough to assure us of that.
Barkingmad: “If we didn’t think that we could make & see results of choices, we would have all killed ourselves eons ago. So I guess there really is a creator of some sort who wants us to refine ourselves by forcing us to trudge upward & onward no matter how bleak things look.”
Proof of a creator? No. The Darwinian explanation is that all creatures are genetically programmed to avoid death because variants that didn’t have been eliminated. In humans, this built-in avoidance mechanism is called fear of death, and it is instinctive, the default condition.
Fair enough. But where did that instinct come from? I am not saying that I know, but maybe you don’t know for sure, either.
Barkingmad: “Fair enough. But where did that instinct come from? I am not saying that I know, but maybe you don’t know for sure, either.”
I just said where it I think it came from. Maybe Dawkins can elucidate this issue more to your satisfaction.
http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Science-Religion/2005/11/The-Problem-With-God-Interview-With-Richard-Dawkins.aspx
9/11 was not an “inside job”. It was an Israeli job. Big difference.
Israel did 9/11 – All the Proof in the World
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367
May I cut to the chase?
Here’s something we can all agree on:
“There is something rather than nothing.” Agreed? No problems? Descarte had it right. OK? Still following?
Ergo:
“WHY is there something rather than nothing?”
Easy.
“The Universe wanted to know itself.” Make sense? OK.
Ergo: Us.
Which leaves us with only one worthwhile question worth pondering:
“What did we do to deserve this loathsome pest?”
…aaaand we’re back on track.
You’re welcome.
Thank you, DWE, for that interview with R. Dawkins.
Barkingmad, why thank someone for an invitation to deception?
You claim to be seeking ultimate answers. Yet Dawkins is well known to be a committed atheist driven by faith and hostility to religion (much like the shill to whom you extend your heartfelt gratitude).
Dawkins: “Mutation is random in the sense that it’s not anticipatory of what’s needed. Natural selection is anything but random. Natural selection is a guided process, guided not by any higher power, but simply by which genes survive and which genes don’t survive. That’s a non-random process.”
This, of course, is a tautology. Translation: “Natural selection is guided by the survival ratios of genes, which are determined by natural selection (environmental pressure).” It’s just feedback in a setting that Dawkins and his partisans can’t even begin to explain.
How do genes and the environment and their mutually selective relationship come into being, randomly or nonrandomly? If nonrandomly, then clearly, we have need for something like first causation and teleology. But Dawkins apparently hasn’t a clue. “Let the physicists sort it out!”, he declares with a limp-wristed wave of his hand.
If he were in a class of mine, he’d be verbally boxed in the ears and sent to the back row. Then I’d back him up in the course sequence … of the logic curriculum. Logic should really be a prerequisite for biology, but this little fellow seems to have skipped it. (Perhaps Mummy and Daddy knew some big donors to the Oxford Alumni Association.)
Dawkins: “It’s certainly hard to know what to make of [the fact that intelligent people who have been taught good science and evolution ... may choose to believe in something religious]. I think it’s a betrayal of science. I think they have a religious agenda which, for reasons best known to themselves, they elevate above science.”
How perceptive! But what a shame that the illustrious biologist fails to grasp the religious dimension of his own perspective, and of the atheistic article of faith which seductively informs him that there is no God to Whom he must answer for his various deceptions.
For the origin of nature and genes, the central ingredients of theoretical biology, Dawkins simply defers to physics and cosmology, the evidential standards of which he is admittedly unable to understand.
Why is such a self-confessed ignoramus given such a loud voice in the popular media while others lose their jobs for so much as questioning his favorite dogma? Since we’re talking here about academia and the mass media, the ubiquitous capital J looms large.
Now, that’s a piece of irony for you.
Dear Eurodele ,
Thank you for your posts. I really enjoy reading them.
How do the genetic determinists,atheists and pagans account for the fact that Jews as a group have survived for 2,000 years when groups such as the Hitittes, Assyrians Cannanites etc. have long since died out? How do they account for the fact that jews have been universally hated and expelled from over 100 states? For me it is obvious that they have been cursed for their rejection of Christ.
I like to look at all the angles and that is why I thanked him for troubling himself to give me a link. One hears endlessly about Dawkins, yet I have never even read anything of his. What bits of info I have heard about him briefly does not endear him to me, but you have to go straight to the horse’s mouth. Me, I’m kind of sweet on the idea of an impossible-to-understand Creation. Further, why would I give a hoot if the earth is 6,000 years old or 2.8 billion years old? Is it going to pay the bills or feed the kids?
Did you know that in other times and places, people who said “I don’t know” were considered wise; today, if you say those words in matters such as the one under discussion here you are just A Big Dummy.
Also, I have no massive faith in science, as so many people do, and as you yourself appear to. Science is a cultural innovation and it’s different for every culture in every age. People hear, “oh, such & such has been scientifically proved” and so it puts them to sleep for at least awhile, until the next bunch of scientists comes along and has their say. It’s a big ongoing joke.
Maybe you could explain how preliterate, “backward” peoples lasted as long as they did without any scientists? And here we are, with our endless “science”, and our own people are dropping like flies because they haven’t got a clue how to live.
Barkingmad: “Science is a cultural innovation and it’s different for every culture in every age. People hear, ‘oh, such & such has been scientifically proved’ and so it puts them to sleep for at least awhile, until the next bunch of scientists comes along and has their say. It’s a big ongoing joke.”
You have a point. Yet, when one studies a bit of science, one comes to see that science is in fact highly cumulative; a great many scientific findings are passed on to subsequent generations. Even though some are discarded, many of those which appear to have been discarded were merely reinterpreted in newer and better scientific theories.
“Maybe you could explain how preliterate, ‘backward’ peoples lasted as long as they did without any scientists? And here we are, with our endless ‘science’, and our own people are dropping like flies because they haven’t got a clue how to live.”
Two obvious reasons that some pre-scientific cultures have lasted so long in the past is that natural resources were more plentiful and competition for them less vicious, and societies tended to have cohesive nonmaterialistic belief systems which enhanced their stability.
The modern problem of people “not knowing how to live” is not due to science itself, but to excessive faith in science. Science requires placement within a balanced metascientific view of reality which is no longer in sight. Militant atheistic, materialistic, scientistic individuals like Richard Dawkins are products of this intellectual deficit.
eurotwerp: “How perceptive! But what a shame that the illustrious biologist fails to grasp the religious dimension of his own perspective, and of the atheistic article of faith which seductively informs him that there is no God to Whom he must answer for his various deceptions. ”
The point here that consistently eludes eurotwerp is that the scientific attitude itself is nothing but a rejection of God as an explanation for anything. If “because it’s God’s will” is accepted as a complete explanation for the cause of any physical phenomenon, science becomes impossible, because then there’s no reason to look any further. Science rejects mystical explanations. Mystical explanations are not science. That’s simple enough, isn’t it?
Also, the twerp’s equation of faith in science (i.e., Dawkins’ atheism) to faith in God is laughable. Science gets results. Faith in God doesn’t. That’s the crucial difference, and why faith in science has replaced and is replacing faith in God all over the West, and indeed, all over the world.
WTF!? Apparently, simply ignoring this twisted, revolting little geek is insufficient to avoid being pestered by him. It’s an outrage! ;-)
Meanwhile, just so nobody is misled, I’ll merely point out that “rejecting God as an explanation for anything” is in fact antithetical to science.
To apply this asinine rule, one must assume not only the nonexistence of God, but materialistically limit scientific explanation to material causation a priori. But as neither atheism nor materialism can be justified in terms of scientific methodology, neither is scientific, and trying to smuggle them in anyway is disallowed.
Thus, when the pathetic little dolt adds that “Science gets results,” this does not mean that “scientific results are in no way attributable to God.” In fact, *science in total* may be attributable to God, and there is nothing that any scientist can say to rule it out!
Just the differences in the physical condition said a lot – while the Tea Party crowd was stereotypically overweight and middle aged, the 911 Truth crowd were young and fit. Most seemed to have a fairly secular, modern, non-religious view of the world. While all three groups (pro-mosque, anti-mosque, and 911 Truth) were officially “non-racist” only one group was not led by Jews or other non-whites – the 911 Truth crowd. This group has grown to be extremely skeptical of the mainstream media (again, they would say “Zionist” not “Jewish”) and of corporate globalization (the other side of the immigration coin).
If there’s going to be a pro-white vanguard, I’d look to the 911 Truth/End the Fed crowd – and not the Tea Party Christian Zionists.
Thanks for the report, Optimistic Truther. I agree with you that the 9/11 Truth crowd is much closer to our position, and also that within 9/11 Truth the faction that points out the evidence implicating Israel is growing larger. I agree that the Tea Party Christian Zionists are not the place to look to for leadership, and in fact I’ll go one step further than you: Christian Zionists are just as anti-White as the most hardcore Marxist “anti-racists”. They literally believe that it is God’s will that the White race be dominated by Jews. Furthermore Tea Parties tend to be composed of the dumbest, fattest, and lowest quality members of our race. Many of them are probably honest and hardworking people on an individual level but they are simply too unintelligent to provide serious opposition to Jewish power and to avoid being suckered by mass media demagogues like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. They are very easy for the Jewish elites to manipulate. The 9/11 Truth crowd just attracts a much smarter and more independent-thinking group of people (although I am aware that it too has its problems).
The Ground Zero Mosque is being built by Jews in order to keep 9/11 in the news and whip up more hostility toward Muslims in order to build support for the next Middle Eastern war, which will probably be an invasion of Iran. White nationalists who have jumped on the bandwagon thinking that supporting (for example) Koran-burning pastors in Florida will lure people to our side are just being taken for a ride. We can’t win on that basis. It’s counter-intuitive, but we should be working to DIFFERENTIATE ourselves from mainstream conservatism, not stressing our commonalities.
On my last visit to Portland Oregon I was amazed at the number of people with tattoos. I mentioned it to a waitress and she explained that since the city didn’t have an athletic team to cheer for the spent their time comparing tattoos.