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Emil Kirkegaard: Michael Ryan’s The Genetics of Political Behavior (2020)

March 23, 2025/7 Comments/in General/by Emil Kirkegaard

The Genetics of Political Behavior: How Evolutionary Psychology Explains Ideology
Michael Ryan
Routledge, 2020

This is how far evolutionary psychology has fallen. This is an absolutely outrageous book, and I suspect that in general that’s the way it is perceived. I have argued previously that evolutionary psychologists have been earnestly trying to gain academic respectability by ingratiating themselves with the liberal-left academic establishment. It was published by a respectable academic press (Routledge) in 2020 and it got a positive editorial review from none other than Richard Wrangham of Harvard (“This important book is a sparklingly original natural history of the age-old conflict between left and right”); Wrangham is no friend of mine. Major mystery: Why do all the liberal-left evolutionary psychologists end up at Harvard? Likely answer: It’s the only way you’ll ever get near the place.

Anyway, the good news is that the Amazon reviews average only 3.5/5 stars and it is languishing at around 3.5 million in Amazon’s sales rankings. It’s what happens when ideological biases are up front and center and so contrary to scientific findings and even common sense.

Emil Kirkegaard agrees:

Michael Ryan’s The Genetics of Political Behavior (2021): A tour de force in extreme leftist bias

The book is described as:

In this unique amalgam of neuroscience, genetics, and evolutionary psychology, Ryan argues that leftists and rightists are biologically distinct versions of the human species that came into being at different moments in human evolution.

This turned out to be very true! It also has a glowing review by John Jost:

“Do liberal forms of cooperation and pacifism and conservative forms of competition and authoritarianism have deep origins in our evolutionary history? In prose that is skilled and accessible, Michael P. Ryan makes a passionate, provocative argument that they do. He has read seemingly everything, and he pulls no punches. His book provides food for thought, worry, and, surprisingly, hope.”
—John T. Jost, New York University, USA

Since Jost is known as perhaps the most biased social psychologist (and a very p-hacky one), this sets the stage for the book. The reader won’t be disappointed. In just 200 pages Ryan argues his case that rightists are archaic humans that are biologically and psychologically distinct. They are fearful, emotional, biased, stupid, closed minded and every other negative adjective. Ryan embraces speculative evolutionary psychology and genetic population differences and the latest unreplicable neuroscience of politics to show that this is because this and that brain anatomical difference (p < .05). Their differences are profound he says:

A more substantive approach is required, one that would take a lesson from science and recognize that leftists and rightists operate from different evolutionary locations, have different biological temperaments, and evidence different adaptive behaviors as a result. They are so substantively different that they should not be treated as formally equal. Their biological differences are too profound.

Taking this further into the past, Ryan argues that all the great societies in the past were leftist until evil rightists took over and destroyed them. Thus we learn that:

Greek leftism was extended in two directions outside of Greece. One went eastward to South Asia, where the Greeks formed a trading alliance with the leftist Mauryan king, Ashoka. The other reached Egypt, whose existing socialist economy was made even more pro-social under Greek Ptolemaic guidance. It would be the incredible productive success of the Egyptian socialist agricultural model that would feed Rome and stabilize its precarious politics by allowing Roman rulers to gift free grain to the Roman masses. Simone Weil, the French philosopher, compared Greek cultivation to Roman crassness and decided that things took a bad turn when Rome replaced Greece as the leading nation of the Mediterranean basin. The Athenians were artists, scientists, and philosophers, the Romans thieves, imperialists, and oligarchs. They had no art of their own and had to borrow from Greece.

No doubt Egyptian scholars will be surprised to learn it was a socialist economy. Or maybe it’s a old version of socialism where there are kings, feudal lords, their vassals etc., and no workers’ democracy (or any other democracy). Likewise, Roman historians may be surprised to learn that Julius Caesar was a leftist:

Roman history has been misrepresented by rightists. According to the rightist account, the good conservative republicans such as Cato the Younger sought to defend “liberty” against “tyranny,” which is best represented by Julius Caesar. But rightists consider any civilization-building restraint placed on the “free” expression of archaic survival urges such as resource hoarding to be “tyranny.” About Rome, it would be more accurate to say that the rightists who succeeded at hoarding resources—often by taking them from men who had fought longwars to secure those very resources—kept the resources for themselves rather than share them. Leftists such as Julius Caesar and the Gracchus brothers made them share the republic’s wealth more equitably. Caesar was a version of Franklin D. Roosevelt, a leftist who was well liked for the help he lent the poor. It is a remarkable testament to the difference between leftists and rightists that Caesar wanted to build a library while the descendants of his adversaries built a slaughterhouse where dissidents, slaves, and animals were killed in public displays of callous brutality.

History is full of leftists according to Ryan:

The Renaissance and the Enlightenment constituted a remarkable period in European history when the rightist reign in the West that had lasted nearly 1,400 years was finally ended. Science was once again welcome and leftist critical reflection possible. Rightist dogmatism and authoritarianism in social ideology and politics ceded ground to leftist flexibility and inventiveness. Leftists succeeded in evicting the church from politics, casting doubt on authoritarian government, and challenging rightist social dominance hierarchies based on skewed resource allocation across the social spectrum. The two major Enlightenment ideas— liberty and equality—eroded hierarchy and paved the way for democracy and socialism.

The defeat of Napoleon on the fields of Waterloo in 1815 marked the end of the Enlightenment as a project of leftist reform. In the aftermath of the Enlightenment, rightists dominated not just the political world of western Europe but also the philosophical one. The mental representational abilities that sustained the Enlightenment had to be discredited. David Hume began the rightist assault on leftist philosophy by casting doubt on the very notion of an abstract universal idea such as equality. He argued that all such ideas were the product of associations and conventions, mere ghosts compared to the hard certainty of positive or empirical “facts”: “There is nothing in any object, consider’d in itself, which can afford us a reason for drawing a conclusion beyond it.”16 All the airy-fairy notions of equality leftist Enlightenment philosophers invented are mere words that mean nothing apart from our agreement that they mean something. Take away the agreement, and the universal ideas disappear. Hume noticed leftism’s great weakness, the fact126 that it is a genotype dependent on niche support, environmental nurture, and institutional artifice. An idea like equality is a mental representation in the brains of leftists that they use to build civilization, but otherwise, it does not exist as a tangible physical object outside of schools, books, and language, all of which are needed to sustain it. At the same time, Hume made a virtue of the rightist cognitive bent towards literal-minded empiricism, a bent derived from the need to scan the horizon for danger in the archaic environment.

Ryan embraces biblical studies of non-canonical books:

In his gospel, which was declared too heterodox for inclusion in the Catholic Church canon, Thomas describes a God who resembles Isaiah’s very abstract divinity, who rises above the concrete senses: “I will give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has not occurred to the human mind.”28 Thomas’ version of Jesus is also more politically socialist and more explicitly, like Isaiah, an enemy of hoarding resources: “Theone who has found the world (and) has become wealthy should renounce the world.” For Thomas, Jesus’ vision of generosity is explicitly leftist: “If you have money, do not lend (it) out at interest. Rather, give (it) to the one from whom you will not get it (back).”29

And so on. The evil rightist catholic church is blamed for not including the leftist books. Ryan appears unaware that these books are often fraudulent and written 100s of years after the included books (which also includes multiple fraudulent works).

Not content with telling historians about Sumer (“theocratic socialism”), Egypt, Greece, Rome, and Napoleonic France, he also has lessons for economists:

Two things trouble this picture of a rational economic system. The first is inequality. If the system were rational, equality, not permanent inequality, should result from the economy. Yet, economic activity under capitalist auspices is incapable of generating equality. The economic system not only produces but also depends on a disequilibrium of incomes. Hoarding of resources at the top end of the social hierarchy depends on austerity on the bottom. Lurking within the deceptive ruse of rationality is the admission that inequality is unavoidable on capitalist terms for reasons that have nothing to do with a reasonable measure such as “individual merit.”

The second impediment to rationality is inflation. According to economic theory, prices represent a reasonable balance between people’s needs (demand) and the amount of goods produced (supply). People are willing to pay for a good if the price is reasonable (in balance with incomes), and suppliers of the good accept a price if it is sufficient to cover costs. On each side of each transaction, rationality prevails. But the ideal of rationality does not account for permanent inflation. Prices inevitably and consistently rise. Inflation occurs even when labor costs fall as they did when capitalists discovered cheap labor in places like China in the 1990s. That should have reduced prices, but instead it drove them higher.Cars and cell phones made in China cost far more than they did ten years ago.

Why?

Archaic motives, not rationality, drive economic behavior.

They might be confused to learn that markets lead to inflation, and not, say, governments abusing their control of the monetary supply. I guess the Soviet Union wasn’t socialist enough as it had not one, but two periods of hyperinflation.

Of course, this also happens under capitalism as governments there sometimes also print a lot of money.

As you might expect, Ryan tells us that Venezuela and Cuba are or were great places to be:

In contrast, when socialists took over Cuba in 1959, they began training doctors to be sent around the world to provide healthcare in countries that lacked medical resources. The socialists who won power in Venezuela in 1998 did something similar. They sent the army into the streets to give out free medical care, provide cheap food, and repair roads in poor areas. They established cooperatives to help the poor launch businesses of their own and to obtain cheap housing.They redirected the wealth of the nation, which largely came from oil exports, to the lower income classes. Life expectancy rose by five years. Rightist businessmen responded by going on strike. They stopped stocking their grocery stores with the necessities of life. They refused to deliver goods to market. Life expectancy fell by a year as a result.5 Rightists were willing to destroy society and harm others rather than cede control to the hitherto disadvantaged in the existing social dominance hierarchy.

Even modern African infighting is because of rightists:

The genocide in Rwanda in 1994 was triggered by conservative businessmen and rightist nationalists of the Hutu tribe and directed against the majority Tutsi ethnic group as well as leftist Hutus. An estimated 800,000 were murdered. At its root was inter-ethnic competition for resources. Favored by the country’s Belgian colonizers prior to independence, the Tutsi had greater access to jobs. The “Ten Commandments” published by a Hutu newspaper prior to the genocide called for civil service and military jobs to be restricted to Hutu. The “Commandments” also emphasized the rightist ideal of racial purity—although Hutu and Tutsi in fact pertain to the same haplogroup and differ “racially” only as a result of mating practices imposed by the colonialists. While it appeared to be a spontaneous populist uprising, the genocide was inspired by a Fox News-like radio station—Radio-Television Milles Collines—which was owned by a wealthy rightist businessman who imported the hundreds of thousands of machetes used in the massacres and provided trucks for transporting murder gangs around the country. If one needs a reason for thinking that permitting the existence of a conservative television network such as Fox that stokes negative emotions such as resentment, bitterness, spite, anger, and hatred against adversaries is a bad idea, the images of thousands of dead bodies floating in a river or lying in fields provide it.

Continues…

Denmark talk, August 2024.

March 21, 2025/10 Comments/in General/by Kevin MacDonald

Kevin MacDonald in Denmark

A LOOK BACK AT OUR SUMMER MEETING 2024

On Saturday, August 17, 2024, Folkets Flamme had the great honor of having none other than the American professor of evolutionary psychology Kevin B. MacDonald as the keynote speaker at our summer meeting in Copenhagen, where both new and seasoned patriots met to hear one of the world’s absolute leading nationalists speak.

Kevin MacDonald is a professor of evolutionary psychology, and until his retirement, he was permanently employed at California State University, Long Beach. MacDonald has for many years been a very active champion of the interests of Western people and our unique culture. He is the editor of the excellent, nationally oriented, Internet media The Occidental Observer. The medium publishes articles on a multitude of relevant topics, and common to all of them is their high quality and well-argued reasoning. The medium can be used both as a news site and as a library for the inquisitive nationalist.

MacDonald is the author of no fewer than seven books on evolutionary theory and child development, and he is the author or editor of over 30 academic articles published in reputable scientific journals. He received his bachelor’s degree (B.A.) from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1966 and his master’s degree (M.S.) in biology from the University of Connecticut in 1976. In 1981, he received a doctoral degree (PhD) in biological behavioral science from the University of Connecticut, where his advisor was Benson Ginsburg, one of the founders of modern behavioral genetics.

MacDonald completed a post-doctoral fellowship with Ross Parke in the psychology department at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign in 1983. MacDonald and Parke’s work there resulted in no less than three scientific publications. MacDonald joined the Department of Psychology at California State University, Long Beach (CSU-LB) in 1985 and became a professor in 1995. He retired at the end of 2014.

Kevin MacDonald thus has an extensive scientific portfolio behind him, and his professional skills cannot be doubted.

From 1994-1998, MacDonald published his three groundbreaking books, A People That Shall Dwell Alone (1994), Separation and its Discontents (1998) and The Culture of Critique (1998), in which Judaism is analyzed for the first time from an evolutionary psychology perspective. These are 3 absolutely essential books that no modern nationalist can do without if he wants to understand his time. MacDonald describes Judaism as an “evolutionary group strategy”, which he claims increases the Jews’ ability to outcompete non-Jews in the struggle for resources. With a pronounced degree of Jewish ethnocentrism, he argues that Judaism fosters a number of distinctive genetic traits in Jews, including an above-average verbal intelligence and a strong tendency towards collectivist behavior that ensures optimal management of their group interests, a significant part of which has been the dissolution and degradation of Western ethnic and cultural self-awareness. This is expressed, among other things, in a number of influential intellectual movements that have been a necessary prerequisite for breaking down the ethnic and cultural cohesion of the West. MacDonald recognizes, of course, that not all Jews exhibit the traits he identifies. These are general patterns of behavior.

The study of Jews gave MacDonald a deeper understanding of how important ethnic groups and their interests are, and he has therefore devoted a large part of his life to working for the well-being and survival of his own ethnic group. The topic of MacDonald’s speech in Denmark was thus the survival of European culture and the peoples of Europe in a world that is getting darker and darker. You can watch his speech, with an introduction by cand.mag. Povl H. Riis-Knudsen, here:

The meeting also offered a large book sale with many exciting nationalistic books, and several participants used the opportunity to stock up on informative literature. Knowledge is power and without well-educated nationalists, our struggle is meaningless. In this connection, we must remind people that the internet can quickly be shut down for us, while the printed book is far more difficult to eradicate.

Patriotic literature with something for everyone!

At the meeting, it was also possible to have a picture taken with our invited guest, which many took advantage of and thus got a memory for life!

Folkets Flamme thanks the many attendees for a good and instructive meeting, where we all got food for thought, made new acquaintances, made new contacts and emphasized that without ethnic and cultural self-awareness, our people and our culture cannot survive.

Denmark, always Denmark!

See also www.danmarksfrihedsraad.com references to and articles by Professor Kevin MacDonald here.

An Expats’ View of South Africa: Cry the Beloved Country (Part 1)

March 20, 2025/3 Comments/in General/by Kevin MacDonald

Justine Isernhinke: An Expats’ View of South Africa (Part 1): Cry the Beloved Country

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Mandela, the head of the ANC party, came into power promising jobs, housing, clean water and electricity to poor black communities living in squatter camps dotted around the country. Both black and white South Africans wanted these promises to be kept. We all wanted every man, woman and child to be better off. We voted the ANC into power with an overwhelming majority (over 60%) and gave it the opportunity to deliver basic services to its people and improve housing, development and generate economic growth. There was much excitement in the air. Everyone had hope in their heart. A new dawn in this country.

So high was the expectation then that the disappointment that followed the failure of the ANC to do any of that – and in fact worsen what services that were being delivered or destroy them entirely – has left a deep bitterness and anger in the majority of South Africans.

How did the Mandela and the ANC fail? And fail they did pretty much from the start.

Greed, corruption, abuse of power. In other words, a kleptocracy. And not just any kind of kleptocracy, but one incubated in the worst of all ideologies – communism.

The basic impulse of the ANC has always been to loot. Its animating ideology, the National Democratic Revolution, is one of “kleptocracism” – in essence the belief that power brings with it an entitlement to plunder. (Many have also called the ANC-led Government a kakistocracy, a government ruled by the least suitable, able or experienced people, but that omits the criminality from their rule, which is as relevant as their incompetence.)

Most explanations of kleptocracy – derived from the Greek for ‘thief’ and ‘rule’ – stress the aspect of ‘grand corruption’ whereby high-level political power is abused to enable a network of ruling elites to steal public funds for their own private gain using public institutions. Kleptocracy is therefore a system based on virtually unlimited grand corruption coupled with, in the words of American academic Andrew Wedeman, ‘near-total impunity for those authorized to loot by the thief-in-chief’ – namely the head of state.

The only real achievement of the ANC’s kleptocracy has been to reverse the flow of time in the country. First-world infrastructure crumbles to rubble, global corporations flee the country, historic buildings fall into decay, roads disintegrate and civility is replaced with rapacious greed and savagery.

Looking at stats online, it’s safe to say that South Africa has lost at least $120bn to corruption since 1994.

The ANC has deep roots in communism. A fact acknowledged by the House DOGE Subcommittee.

Communism is a grab of resources by a cadre of those in power. It is greed that drives any communist agenda behind an Oz-like veil of pretense that it’s to empower the proletariat. Some would say that racism is prevalent in the country and that the ruling party hates white people. But that is not the entire story. Racism is a rallying cry by politicians to mobilize a support base or to justify otherwise inexcusable actions, and all of which are designed to steer power to those politicians in order to steal more wealth.

A personal story of mine. My stepdad had a graphic design company. Like many other white Afrikaner South Africans in 1994, he embraced the spirit of Ubuntu (a spirit of connectedness, humanity towards others), and went into business with the children of a famous aging ANC member, Walter Sisulu – literally ANC royalty. Everything went very well for a few months. We even had Walter come over for a Sunday braai (BBQ) and it was a wonderful afternoon.

However, my stepfather started noticing things in his business that concerned him. He did some investigation and found out that that Sisulu’s kids were working after hours and over the weekend to steal my stepfather’s business right from under his nose. The partnership dissolved. We have no idea if Walter knew what his adult children were up to. The Rainbow Nation experimented ended for my stepfather. It was instructive to me. I saw that it wasn’t all about building a new country. It was about taking – mainly from the white businessmen.

It wasn’t that long after Apartheid ended that several overt public measures and several covert actions took place congruently to remove property, power and wealth away from white people and give that to “previously disadvantaged” groups, which almost every time looked like the ANC aristocracy and its cronies.

Bear in mind that these measures were purportedly taken in part to address the building resentment and anger of the South African population whose lives were not improved by the ANC despite election after election of empty promises. The ANC externalized their own incompetence and projected it onto race, land and power as reasons they were unable to deliver to their people.

Black Economic Empowerment = Slow Deindustrialization

Overtly, the ANC implemented an affirmative action program called Black Economic Empowerment (BEE). What started out as a well-intentioned program to redress perceived wrongs committed under Apartheid (not every business was built on the backs of the black people and black people earned degrees at the top universities – Mandela had a law degree from the same law school as me) was over the years transformed into a wealth-grab by elites of property and corporations owned by white people.

Under Apartheid, there were few black people in ownership and management positions of the larger corporations. Like many other white South Africans at the time, I supported BEE initially. In fact, we believed that the idea was ahead of its time. BEE would not be forced upon companies but when tendering for Government contracts, your BEE status had to be submitted. Your BEE status reflects not only your own corporation’s percentage of black ownership and management, but also your own suppliers had to have a sufficiently high BEE score.

This was soft influence – encouraging companies to adapt without compelling them to. We see it with ESG initiatives, Carbon credits, stakeholder capitalism, WEF-admission rights to corporations. Want to get investors? Want more clients? You need to join the club and pay your dues. Otherwise, good luck out there on your own.

I did see some challenges with the policy but we all backed the concept at the time because it seemed the right thing to do after the decades under Apartheid. I now know better. This is not the way to go. It’s either a free market or it’s not. Activism and political agendas have no place in the board room.

As we soon found out, when told to hire based on identity and not on merit, companies and organizations tend to overlook skills and experience to meet a quota. It doesn’t mean that the person they hire isn’t good, but they may not have been as good as someone else who unfortunately didn’t meet the identity requirement for the job. Over the long run, this lessening of skills and standards erodes quality and efficiency.

To understand the impact of BEE, I’ll give you an example of how damaging it can be to not hire on merit.

Air Traffic Controllers (ATCs) are some of the most highly trained individuals on earth. They spend hours and hours learning radar, flight controls, and how to deal with high stress situations. ATCs need to perform without errors under pressure every day and sometimes for hours at a time. ATCs are generally paid well in the world and there is never enough of them. It’s not an easy job – mostly thankless – and mistakes are ghastly.

My ATC friend in Johannesburg (alias Johan) talked to me about the recent Blackhawk crash over the Potomac in the US. Whilst it has now been determined that the crash was due to pilot error, he reckons the crash could have been caused by something as simple as the ATC not adding a few words to his warning to the Blackhawk pilot – merely something as simple as stating the distance – “do you see the plane on 4 mile final?” vs. “do you see the plane?” Final is the position specific in air traffic control. You have upwind, crosswind, downwind, base and final – all quick ways to tell people where traffic is. The Blackhawk pilot saw an airline close by and assumed that was the plane meant by the ATC and not the one that was four miles out and heading towards them. My ATC friend explained that this is something an experienced ATC would know. But a newbie might not. It’s the reason you hire experienced ATCs at a higher cost and have them around to teach and educate the newbies. It’s also why you hire the best you can hire – not those that meet non-merit based requirements.

The Air Traffic and Navigation Services (ATNS) here in South Africa has so insisted on following BEE that they have lost most of their good and well-experienced air traffic controllers to overseas airports. This means that our airports are sometimes undermanned and sometimes not manned at all. It also means that my friend Johan cannot work and sits on his hands all day when he could be out there doing his job. The demand for him is there – they are short 300 ATCs in South Africa. But no will to hire “non-BEE” ATCs (see below on BEE). He recently tried again only to be rejected for reasons they haven’t stated. Johan who has decades of experience can validate his rating in a week and start immediately but they have declined his services.

The impact on the airline industry, tourism and business is significant:

But ATNS, filled with ANC cadres, cannot see or don’t want to acknowledge that the cause is their own hiring and promotion policies. The South African airline industry is dreading our own Potomac crash with the required aviation systems rapidly decreasing.

This scenario is replicated throughout almost every service and industry in South Africa.

When merit is no longer a criteria for a job, incompetence takes a foothold. We have had every state-owned enterprise (“SOE”) deindustrialize before our very eyes. Eskom, South Africa’s national power company, couldn’t keep the lights on and we’ve had rolling black-outs (load shedding) for years. Eskom was so successful in 1990 it supplied more than half of the electricity used in the entire African continent and its net income was ZAR 845 million. By 1994, it was delivering power to people at the lowest price in the world. In 2001, Eskom was named as the global power company of the year at the Global Energy Awards in New York. Now it’s a shell of an organization. In its annual financial statement for 2024, Eskom recorded a net loss of ZAR 55 billion. The Auditor-General found that ZAR 11 billion was wasted due to crime and mismanagement. The mismanagement of funds in state-owned enterprises is almost comical – ZAR 28,000 for one broom at Eskom!

Of course, the electricity always works where the politicians live.

Water pipes and sewage systems fail all the time. My friend had her entire house flooded with sewage up to a foot and a half. The house was unlivable for a year. That was due to lack of maintenance by the municipality. All my friends back home sit with several five gallon tanks of water in storage waiting for the next fortnight or so with no water. And this is in the upper middle class neighborhoods.

If traffic lights function, it feels like Christmas. Most times you’re either at the mercy of a homeless guy stepping into his new life-calling of traffic cop or on the courtesy of other drivers to let you through.

The police have suffered not only from BEE where experienced white officers resigned in droves after being passed over for promotion one too many times, but also where connection to the ANC or the EFF gives you seniority over your peers. The standards to become a police officer were dropped to allow more officers to be hired, but this has had a knock-on effect of reducing skills, training, experience and competence. The police are so terrible here that you avoid them as much as you can. They’re viewed as a ‘uniformed criminal cartel…’

Housing has not been delivered to the poor. They suffer from the same shortages of water and electricity we do in the better-off neighborhoods. The ruling ANC have done nothing to help their voters. Well, except for the chicken lunch and free t-shirt on the day of an election.

Instead of providing jobs and housing, we see a crumbling country, riddled with potholes, where if you want any service, you either have to do it yourself or band together with your neighbors.

Like all other promises made by the ANC, BEE has failed to deliver. In fact, it’s led to such a level of incompetence that it’s caused deindustrialization across state-owned enterprises and BEE corporations.

Interesting, as a sign of the close ties the ANC has with China’s CCP government, the benefits of BEE were expanded outside of the black, Indian and colored populations to include Chinese.

Over recent years the percentages of BEE requirements for corporates increased to where people in my generation of Caucasian decadent are unable to find jobs once qualified. I saw the writing on the wall back in 2000 and like many of my peers, moved overseas.

In line with every decision the ANC makes, instead of re-evaluating the results of its actions and pivoting, it doubles down on its mistakes. BEE has only further entrenched itself. Elon refuses point-blank to be held hostage to it and so South Africa is one of the few African countries that doesn’t benefit from Starlink.

South Africa abolished all race-based laws under Apartheid only to reinstitute 142 race-based laws that now discriminate against (white) people based.

BEE has subverted the Rule of Law and enabled corruption to run rampant. Whatever benefits or “equity” was achieved by BEE has been overshadowed by the negative consequences.

“Expropriation without Compensation” Act = Highway Robbery

Trump was somewhat correct in that the government has seized white-owned land but up till now it was always with some level of compensation. However, that has not been enough for the ANC. South African President Cyril Ramaphosa, whilst in Davos attending WEF, signed the new Expropriation Act into law.

The new Expropriation Act does not specifically define “property” as land, and instead explicitly states that “property is not limited to land”. Property, therefore, encompasses other forms of assets, including movable property, intellectual property, and possibly even financial assets. This allows the government to expropriate a wide range of assets, including someone’s pension, their shares in a corporation, or their bank account.

While the Act was introduced with the pretext of addressing land reform (land reform has been underway under other legislation since 1994), its language is broad enough to give the government the power to expropriate any property it deems necessary for a public purpose or in the public interest, the latter of which is highly subjective. The former is similar to America’s Eminent Domain.

“Public Interest” includes the nation’s commitment to land reform, and to reforms to bring about equitable access to all South Africa’s natural resources in order to redress the results of past racial discriminatory laws or practices.

Section 12(3) of the Act introduces the notion of ‘nil’ compensation where land is expropriated (giving rise to the name “the Expropriation without Compensation Act”), provided that it is determined by the State to be just and equitable.

The instances where it may be just and equitable for the State to pay ‘nil’ compensation are quite controversial, especially subsection(a) “where the land is not being used and the owner’s main purpose is not to develop the land or use it to generate income but to benefit from appreciation of its market value” (in other words for speculative purposes). Perhaps the principle of “use it or lose it” seems to be the best protection against this. Several concerns immediately arise, though. Who will determine this and what will happen to land that is used, for example, for conservation purposes and cannot be and should not developed for a valid reason? The wording is broad which leaves it open to the State’s discretion.

Whilst ‘nil’ compensation section only applies to property which is land, the Act does not provide a blanket provision for expropriating land at ‘nil’ compensation. However, as with all countries, perception overrules reality and people will move onto land, thinking that they will be able to assume ownership without compensation. The landowner is then faced with having to re-assert possession or face loss of his property. If re-asserting possession is done through the court system, it could take years for a resolution. I suspect we might see violent confrontations, all of which will be politicized one way or the other.

Hot on the heels of the Expropriation Act, a new bill has been announced, called the “Equitable Access to Land” bill. If there was any doubt as to the intentions of the ANC-led Government, this bill makes is clear as day that expropriation is to be done on racial grounds.

“The objective of the Bill is to bring landownership in line with the country’s demographics using race as basis. Neither the department nor the portfolio committee has tried to hide the fact that this Bill is aimed at white landownership.” Freedom Front Plus’ Wynand Boshoff

Presenting both pieces of legislation as a means to rectify past injustices related to land is completely misleading. These laws, along with the proposed National Health Insurance Bill, constitute state-sanctioned theft of privately-owned assets. As James Lindsay comments, this is what happens when Wokeism runs a country.

After 25 years of BEE and many other pieces of law addressing land redistribution, there is no inequalities in ownership that can legitimately be used as justification, but the Expropriation Act is required for the ANC to fulfill its National Democratic Revolution. A Soviet-inspired strategy adopted by the South African Communist Party that the ANC co-opted back in 1994, that essentially refers to taking from the producers and giving it to the ineffective political class, leaving the crumbs to be handed out amongst those whose contributions are just as meagre.

When the ANC failed to maintain their two-thirds majority in the 2024 election and had to align with the Democratic Alliance to stay in power, it was v a shot across their bows that their rule was vulnerable. I believe this is why they accelerated their “Revolution”. This parallels with Zimbabwe. When Mugabe’s power weakened with the rise of the Movement for Democratic Change under Morgan Tsvangirai in 2000, Mugabe commenced total war on Zimbabwe’s white farmers. Hundreds of land invasions destroyed the “bread basket” of the continent. Highly productive agricultural land was seized violently and handed out to ZANU-PF supporters who, knowing nothing of farming, let the land fall into ruin.

Given the shocking poor levels of education in South Africa, it’s no wonder that the South African populace has interpreted “expropriation without compensation” to mean “take whatever I want” and have started invading private land. We can expect many more invasions, confrontations and violence.

Under the new Expropriation Act at present, a large number of state entities (including the Land Affairs Ministry) is allowed to seize land before a trial and can calculate the value of the land against the value of any development the state intends to perform on that land. They can also seize land that is “unused” or “abandoned” which may include land that has been overrun with squatters. Ramaphosa’s government has also passed a law which prevents anyone from removing squatters or preventing entrance into their property by any means except a verbal warning, and forces them to resort exclusivity to the police (who, as I noted above are inept and unlikely to respond) to defend their property. If a squatter sets up any form of structure (this can be as little as an outhouse), they cannot be removed except by court order.

Up till now, landowners have had recourse to the court system to remove squatters. Even though litigation is expensive, sluggish and often unsuccessful, and the court system still allows landowners to appeal expropriation under the new Act (after the land is already taken – they will have 40 days to clear out once they have received notice). In the past these expropriations have had to be compensated, now they might not be.

Again, as the ANC leaders are prone to do, they doubled-down on their cunning plan to seize all property by creating a new Land Court under another bill called the Land Courts Act which has been passed by not yet promulgated. The Land Court is there to streamline and accelerate expropriation. The Land Court will have equal jurisdiction to the High Courts, leaving appeal to only the Supreme Court of Appeal or the Constitutional Court. The President will select judges. Those judges cannot be prosecuted except where they are accused of domestic violence. They are otherwise untouchable.

Anyone can launch proceedings to expropriate any piece of land for any purpose: from an expropriating authority, to a “historic” land claimant to just anyone off the street who wants something they like.

The Rules of Evidence are changed under the Land Court Act. Hearsay evidence is sufficient. Documents without provenance are permitted. Witnesses and “oral evidence” (as in my great great grandfather once said) will be accepted. The Court will have the right to deny the submission of any evidence if it wishes to speed up the process and reduce the cost.

This will utterly abolish the right to a fair trial.

What corporation, retail giant, mining company, factory would bother to set up in South Africa if someone could walk in and claim ownership the next day? It is beyond insane even for a kleptocracy.

In line with their National Democratic Revolution, the fact that this Act was signed by President Ramaphosa whilst he was at the WEF was not coincidental. This law which allows for the ANC to consolidate control over property, food production and resources means that one’s bank account, pension, intellectual property can be seized by the state. And doesn’t this neatly align with one of WEF’s goals – to own nothing and be happy!

In Part 2 of this series, Cui Bono – Malema vs. Musk, Justine covers the fight between South Africa’s most famous expat – Elon Musk- and the leader of an ANC opposition party, the EFF (Economic Freedom Front), Joseph Malema, who started shouting “Kill the Boer” (Boer meaning Farmer, specifically Afrikaans-speaking farmers) at public rallies – in stadiums of 100,000 people no less.

Biden: The Autopen Years

March 20, 2025/1 Comment/in General/by Ann Coulter

Of all of President Trump’s zany ideas — making boring, self-righteous Canada the 51st state, we take Gaza, Perkins Coie lawyers banned from federal buildings — his claim that Joe Biden’s pardons are invalid because they were signed with an autopen is a winner.

As discussed last week, Biden used the pardons not to show mercy to specific individuals, but to change the law. We’re told that no one may ever challenge a president’s clemencies, because the pardon power is “plenary.” But however plenary it is, it cannot be so plenary as to allow a president to eliminate the legislative and judicial branches. Biden’s blanket pardons of entire classes of crimes and punishments do just that.

Suppose President Stephen K. Bannon pardoned, en masse, nearly all criminal violations of the Clean Water Act. Go ahead, dump pollutants into rivers, discharge chemical waste onto wetlands, funnel nuclear waste directly into clean water reservoirs. Maybe the EPA will convict you, but not before you’re pardoned.

Next up, pardons for criminal convictions under the Clean Air Act, freeing developers to get on with it and rip asbestos from the walls of derelict buildings and manufacturers to belch toxic smoke from their factories and build two or three new coal-burning power plants every week. You know, like China!

The best news? After President Bannon issues similarly sweeping clemencies to those convicted under the Endangered Species Act, I can finally open my long-dreamed-of restaurant that serves nothing but red wolf. Everything will be endangered-licious, from appetizers to Red Wolf Velvet Cake.

Totally proper use of the pardon power, right? Why wouldn’t our founders want a president to be able to single-handedly rewrite federal law, nullifying any statutes that he doesn’t like? Why else would they have called him “the king of America”? Surely, it’s every bit as sound as Biden’s Jan. 17, 2025, proclamation that the never-ratified Equal Rights Amendment “is the law of the land.”

Admittedly, this isn’t the precise point of Trump’s declaring Biden’s pardons signed by autopen “VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT.”

For one thing, the only pardons Trump explicitly mentions as being “VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT” are the preemptive ones given to members of the Jan. 6 committee. Besides sounding a tiny bit churlish, those pardons were at least granted to nine specific individuals and, therefore, are within the pardon power.

But the other point Trump made was that the autopen signatures proved Biden had no idea what he was doing, as if that were ever in dispute. Anyone who saw Biden’s June 27, 2024, debate performance is well familiar with his galloping senescence, but Trump is nothing if not thorough. More important than Biden not actually signing the pardons, Trump said, “he did not know anything about them!”

The autopen evidence takes Biden’s general oblivion to oblivion in these specific cases. Further evidence that it was Biden’s staff, and not Biden, exercising the presidential pardon is that this champion of the death penalty — who spent years bragging about personally writing a crime bill that added 60 new capital sentences to the U.S. Code — overturned capital sentences for 37 of 40 federal prisoners.

In the 1990s, Biden never shut up about his gusto for capital punishment, sarcastically noting that “the liberal wing of the Democratic Party is now for 60 new death penalties,” and boasting that the crime bill did “everything but hang people for jaywalking.”

This death penalty enthusiast decided death was too harsh for a sadistic serial killer and child rapist like Jorge Avila-Torrez? And that it was so vital that Avila-Torrez cheat death that Biden was willing to ignore Congress and the courts to spare him?

The pardon power doesn’t reside with the entire White House staff. It is the president’s alone. Similarly, the press secretary can’t order an aircraft carrier into the Mediterranean Sea.

When the president is a dementia patient, being fed pudding as he stares vacantly into the void, of course it’s valid to ask who really issued those pardons. (By the end of his term, Biden thought “blanket pardons” meant quilts that don’t go to jail.)…

Australian nationalist Jim Saleam and Tom Sunic: Where to for Europe after Trump

March 19, 2025/8 Comments/in General/by Kevin MacDonald

Tucker Interviews Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?

March 18, 2025/5 Comments/in General/by Kevin MacDonald

Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?

It’s taken almost 60 years but the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty is finally getting into the mainstream with Tucker’s interview with Clayton Morris, begins around 59:00. Morris also says LBJ and the CIA planned it and intended to blame Egypt to justify an attack on them. Unfortunately for them, some sailors survived, despite Israeli jets strafing them as they swam in the water. Morris also claims Johnson was in on the plot to kill JFK.

The first part of the interview is also a very interesting discussion of permanent Washington—the bureaucracy that carries out policy regardless of who is president. They are hopeful Trump will be able to do something about it but think it will take much longer than 18 months and really eight years of JD Vance after Trump to really carry out the revolution the country so desperately needs.

Morris claims American military personnel have been killed in Ukraine and that they and their families have had to sign non-disclosure agreements not to tell. Both are very aware that neocon foreign policy pervades the DC bureaucracy. Interesting material on Syria (“If most Americans understood that there’s a genocide happening in Syria that was backed by President Biden and the removal of Assad, regardless of what you think about Assad, doesn’t really matter.”) and the massive child sex-trafficking in the Biden administration.

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Tucker [00:00:00] So the last time, I think the last time we were physically together was when we worked together at Fox News. Crazy. Hosting a morning show whose name I will not mention. I’ve always been embarrassed in the name of that show. There’s some nice people on the show, nice people working on the show. I don’t want to attack the show, but ugh, the name always made me cringe. But anyway. Morning Joe. Ha. Sorry! You, me, Mika, a lot of Xanax, all of the neocons, and then you went off into business. I think you’re the only person I’ve ever seen leave an anchor position in television voluntarily. No one ever does that. They wait to get destroyed in a sex scandal or get dementia or something, but you actually just left and went into business and were successful, and then you moved to Europe. with your family, your beautiful family, and then the next time I heard of you, I was taking my trash out, and my neighbor goes, did you see what Clayton and Natalie said? And I’m like, I only know one Clayton and Natalie. And I was like, Clayton Morris, Natalie Morris? And he’s like, yeah, and redacted their show? Did you see it? And I was like, no. Anyway, and then I dove in and I saw that you had become legit successful in a completely different. Business saying things that I loved and that were true and really brave So it’s just great to see you after all this time. What a life. What a life story you’ve had

Clayton Morris [00:01:48] It’s amazing, I’m just so thrilled. I just saw you in the parking lot and I was like, oh my God, I had to run up and give you a hug because it’s been eight or nine years. Yeah, it’s crazy to think, I mean, the trajectory and. Oh my god I find it very difficult to relate to people that haven’t been beat up, scratched, beat up, gone through the wringer, you know? It’s like… beat up, gone through the wringer, you know, like there’s… That’s for sure. You’re operating at a different level now, you know.

Tucker [00:02:12] Well, it’s funny. I do remember you in commercial breaks because on those morning shows you have really long commercial breaks Yeah, and then you know one anchor will take a segment or whatever there’s like a lot of time sitting on the dumb couch and You never wasted a second of it I’d like stare off in the space like a dog or text my wife naughty things But you were constantly either doing business or reading about things I’ll never forget that you were totally absorbed in your studies and your work in commercial breaks Um How did you wind up with redacted? Like how did that, I’ve never even asked you, how’d that happen?

Clayton Morris [00:02:49] You know, after we left, so 10 years at Fox, great time, had a blast, but you know, you realize, oh, I’ve been doing the same sort of segments over and over again. You know, you’re doing like the same breakfast cereal segment over and over again after 10 years and you’re saying, okay, I want something different now. I want to be able to see my kids on the weekend. I don’t want to have to wake up at 3 .30 in the morning, you know, and when everyone else is at the park with their kids on a weekend. you know, people at bagel shops and stuff like that. And so I didn’t get to do that. And my wife would send me pictures of what the kids were doing, you know, making little projects or things. And I would be at work, which is, you know, great. So then, you know, it was after 10 years, I said, okay, enough is enough. And it’s time to do something for myself and for my family. And then we thought about where in the world we would live, what part of the country would we live in? And we started thinking bigger about, well, maybe we’ll just have this adventure and go to Europe and give that a shot. And we thought, well, Portugal, that’s close enough to the East coast. It’s actually faster to fly from the East coast of the U .S. to Lisbon than it is from. the East Coast to San Francisco, where my wife’s family is from. So great, the kids are young enough, we have three kids, like, let’s give them this adventure, let’s try it for ourselves. And things were getting crazy in the United States at the time, descending into, you know, a crime haven, wide open, you know, borders, and all of that. So it was an opportunity, I think, for us to go there. And then I started thinking, wait a second, because I can’t just sit still, I have to. I have to be creating or working on something. Maybe it’s the Capricorn energy. I can’t just like not be creating. I think that’s why we’re here also. Like, of course, like, you know, I don’t want to, I don’t want to choose an easy life. Comfort is not the point. So I enjoy creating and making things and trying things and, you know, you know, I don’t know, building a channel and all of those things are interesting to me and always been fascinating to me. But I, you’ll find out really quickly if you’re doing it. and you don’t love it, it’ll fizzle out after like a month. So I always encourage people, yeah, just try things. You wanna start a business, just try it. And if it speaks to you, then you’ll do it. So I realized we’re there in Europe, we’ve got a five hour time difference, a jump on sort of the morning of the East coast of the United States. And I’m a news junkie, so I’m always constantly seeing what was going on and watching what’s going on with COVID. You’re seeing all of these world events. and I thought… I want to talk about this. I want to be able to do something. So launched this show kind of in the morning. And I remember years ago, cause I lived in Los Angeles, I hated being three hours behind the East coast. And I worked on a morning show called Good Day LA and I was a producer then. And I hated, it was like two in the morning knowing that like people on the East coast already had to kind of jump on the world. Oh yeah. You know, it sort of bothered me mentally. So now I had a five hour jump on the East coast, you know. And I said, you know, I’m going to start to do like a morning show again. I grew up doing morning shows for 20 years. Maybe I should try that here, but now I don’t have to wake up at three in the morning. I can just do it and started it during COVID really during all, all of the lives that were pouring out of COVID. And at the time, uh, my father was, was, had just gotten, uh, just had a stroke. It was going, you know, going through not being able to see him in a hospital and hearing the ridiculous rules that were unfolding, both in Europe and in the United States about COVID and lockdowns and standing six feet apart and nursing homes in New York and Andrew Cuomo, all of these things were converging, I think, at the same time. Printing money, we’re just gonna hand out thousands of dollars in checks to people and keep them home and no businesses will run. We’re gonna kill chickens. We’re gonna, you know, all these farmers were killing animals. Something’s like, I just, I don’t know. That was really impetus for me to start the show. And then it evolved. More, I realized we’re not talking most about money. We’re really talking about a lot of redacted things. And that’s where I came up with the idea for the name redacted because we were holding up like Pfizer’s own documents on the show and like they’re redacted or UFO files that were redacted. And I said, I just was sitting there one afternoon just kind of contemplating it as a That’s the name of the show, just redacted. That’s just gonna be the name of the show. And then I conned my wife into doing the show with me. She’s a journalist by trade. She’s an amazing writer and really an amazing researcher. And I said, you’re gonna do the show with me. And she said, yeah, I think I want to. I don’t know that I want to, and now she’s just come alive. It’s just been amazing to watch her, this sort of San Francisco liberal, like transform. And now she’s angry, she can’t, it’s so amazing to watch her be angry at all the lies that she’s been told over the years that she’s, she’s angrier than me, because I was sort of in it. Yeah, yeah. You know, and I worked at Fox and I was seeing the pattern of lies. And I didn’t quite understand the Neocon pattern of lies as well as I do now. But she, you know, who would read Hillary Clinton’s books back in the day and you know, all of that. Now she’s. War monger, you know, and it’s been amazing to see her come alive with that and she’ll just get angry about it and she’ll say, yeah, aren’t you angry about it? I said, yes, but I’ve, I’ve known a lot of this, what, you know, Obama has droned these people and, and, uh, and, but she’s amazing. She’s, you know, she’s now run with it in such a way that I’m just so, I’m just so touched to watch and I think we, we do a great job together and kind of keeping each other. It’s certainly been successful, like, way more.

Tucker [00:08:32] Well, it’s certainly been successful, like, way more than anyone would have predicted, probably even you. Oh, for sure. I would have thought this is just going to be a drop in the ocean. I just checked your numbers this morning. Quite successful and well -deserved and just an amazing story. So you spent five years to the day in Europe, you’re no back. No no no in the United States, but you spent five years in Portugal at a time when Europe was really, really changing, or the changes that had already taken place had become, I think, more obvious to those paying attention. What was your view after living there?

Clayton Morris [00:09:08] First, let me say… So I want to be respectful of the Portuguese people. They were amazing. The people are amazing. Yes. It’s the government that, and I feel really terribly for the Portuguese people who in many ways, and this is across Europe, they’ve really given up their power to Brussels. Yes. So 80 % of all the decisions that are really made in Portugal aren’t made in Portugal, they’re made in Brussels. So… They have to fund the boondoggle in Ukraine. They have to send the one tank that they have from the 1970s that may or may not still be working to Ukraine because of some dog and pony show propaganda. I saw – That’s democracy.

Tucker [00:09:59] That’s democracy, so the millions of Portuguese people have no say over their own lives or where their money goes.

Clayton Morris [00:10:06] No, no, and transact the way that they want to be able to transact and cash the way that they want. It’s all outsourced, you know, to Christine Lagarde or Ursula von der Leyen in Brussels who get to tell them how to live their lives. And the Portuguese people do not like the European Union. I think most people in the European Union, I can’t speak for everyone, of course, But you ask the common person, the worker, the laborer, the restaurant owner, the adega. owner. Do you like the European Union? They don’t know them. They don’t know the unelected people in Brussels. And no, they don’t. They know their local, you know, local county representatives and those individuals. But those people are all hamstrung by what happens in Brussels. Just to give you an idea, like, I don’t know if you saw, I think was last year, maybe a year and a half ago now, Christine Lagarde was… I think, punked, but told some pretty open truths about Europeans being able to transact with cash. She said in this fake interview that on the gray market, if you spend more than a certain couple hundred dollars of euros, that you’re considered part of the gray market, AKA a terrorist. So – If you spend it on like nuclear material.

Tucker [00:11:36] or small arms or…

Clayton Morris [00:11:38] No, no, pay your gardener. You’re a terrorist. So yeah, if you’re buying plutonium to create the flux capacitor in order to travel back in time, you might be on the gray market. But no, just to transact in cash. I mean – For anything. For anything. And if you look across Europe, every European country has a different threshold. So Spain, for instance, a thousand euros. If you spend more than a thousand euros in cash, you’re considered on the gray market, AKA a terrorist. Every country’s different. Some 500 euros, 800 euros, 1500 euros, and across the board, the European threshold now is 10 ,000 euros to be able to transact in cash. And anything more than that, you’re on the gray market. What’s the idea there? The idea is that terrorists use cash. And so therefore, if you use cash, then you’re a terrorist. So the terrorists don’t use open borders that they created. No, they don’t use open borders. Terrorists adhere to local state regulations and laws. Fair. So what I saw happening in Europe was, you know, when we emigrated to, to Portugal, we had to go through massive hoops and hurdles of paperwork to show that we were people of means, right? To show that we weren’t going to leech off of their system. Fair. Which is fair. And great, we are a guest in your country. Let’s be respectful of your country, your tax laws. We found out there were a lot of people who would do sort of like digital nomad type work. You know what they are. They’re like the Instagram girls that go on the beach and they pretend that they’re working on a laptop. Yeah, yeah. You know, and they’re really, I mean, come on. And so we would hear, we heard that like, don’t do that because the European commit, they’re watching. Like they’re watching you for tax purposes. And we’re like, well, we’re not gonna do that. We’re gonna, we pay our taxes. We’ll be respectful. We had no intention of like not paying our taxes here, but apparently it was happening a lot. So we went through, made sure everything was legit, met with the tax authority, got, set our business up, All of it. Paperwork. got our residency cards, all of those pieces that you would normally do if you’re coming into a country legally and you’re going to, you’re being respectful of their laws. I don’t wanna say I’m elite or something, but there’s much more regulation for someone like me than there are for criminals. So you can just come across the border and then just have gang opportunities and do whatever you wanna guess if you’re a criminal. But if you’re a person of means who has children and wants to do things legitimately, then you’re gonna have to jump through massive amounts of hoops and hurdles in order to immigrate. But wanna walk into Germany? Want to go to a park and be a part of a gang and attack young girls? I’m sure that’s fine. Europe has totally welcomed that. They’ve had wide open borders all across Europe and now they’re reaping what they’ve sowed.

Tucker [00:14:42] It seems like suicide to me, big picture. It seems like a society that wants to kill itself.

Clayton Morris [00:14:47] It does, but if you talk to the Portuguese people or you talk to the European people, whether you’re in Belgium, and I’ve gotten, since I’ve lived there, traveled all over that area, talk to, you know, talk to an inn owner in Scotland, for instance. Talk to a restaurant owner in Edinburgh. Talk to some of the workers in, you know, in Munich. They don’t want that. But they’ve conceded their power to this unelected body in Brussels that runs the show. I mean, you saw it on display over the past few weeks. Vladimir Zelensky comes to the White House, gets a dressing down, and that little cocaine -sniffing troll is there, you know. He didn’t, he looked like a deer in headlights. And then he’s totally welcomed with open arms in Europe. I mean, they roll out the red carpet for him. Ursa Lavanderlion in her half a can of hairspray hair. I’m sure there’s like a squirrel living in there somewhere. And then you have Costa from Portugal. And by the way, what’s hilarious to me and to Natalie as well, we joke about these people in Europe, that the people that are now a part of like the European Commission in Belgium, they’ve all failed up. This is what Natalie likes to say, they’ve failed up because all of these people, whether it’s Marco Ruta in the Netherlands, who’s kicked out of the Netherlands, is now ahead of NATO. Costa, huge scandal in Portugal, is now sitting in Brussels. Ursula von der Leyen, I’m trying to think who else, who else has failed up. All around that table are people who’ve basically failed up. They’ve, they should have been kicked out. They’ve basically been kicked out of their countries. But then they get elevated in positions of power in Brussels, which is hilarious, unelected, by the way.

Tucker [00:16:39] One thing I’ve learned just from this whole last five years is that female leaders are not what I thought they were. When I was a kid in the 70s, you used to hear feminists say, give a woman a chance, you know, it’ll be a more peaceful world, which not a crazy idea. I mean, all the women in my life are peaceful and loving. And so I kind of thought that’s probably true, actually, you know, men fight wars and all that, women don’t. But then we wind up with all these female leaders who are the most warlike and bloodthirsty and just can’t wait to murder people. They just can’t wait. You can see it. There are that, that girl from Estonia. I mean, I mean, she would kill people.

Clayton Morris [00:17:19] Flinching? A foreign minister in Germany, Baerbach. Yeah, what is that? She publicly said that she cares more about the Ukrainian people than her own German people. Like –

Tucker [00:17:28] She’s killing. I mean, they’re for killing. They’re all in Iraq. Hillary Clinton? Hillary Clinton? Hillary Clinton, I mean, you see that in our country, the most warlike, the, you know, quickest to Dick Cheney’s repulsive little daughter. You know, there’s so many. right?

Clayton Morris [00:17:42] Susan Rice, Victoria Nuland. Like, what is that? I don’t know what it is. What is that? I think it’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. I guess, I mean, it’s gotta come from their father, right? So I’d be an interesting sociological look. They can’t wait to shed blood. Exactly, to look at Hillary Clinton’s father, to look at Susan Rice’s father, to look at Victoria Nuland’s father. Like, is there a common denominator? I don’t know, I don’t have the research on that. It’s bizarre. I’m gonna work on that, I’m gonna –

Tucker [00:18:08] So how do you, I mean, I don’t know if it’s noble, but how do the citizens with no power in a place like Portugal feel about the idea of marching off to war with Russia?

Clayton Morris [00:18:21] They abhor it. Portugal has a long history, of course, of war. So they abhor war. They were the first warriors. I mean, talk about conquering other countries. They know a lot about bloodshed. They’ve done it to a great degree, around the world. So they don’t wanna be a part of that anymore. They’ve tried it. And in fact, many ways, when I first moved there, I thought the United States could learn a lot about the Portuguese. the sort of colonizing and the empire building. Yes. And what it does to your country, what it does to destroy your country, what it does to your culture. So the United States could learn quite a bit about saying, eh, we tried that. We tried that for the last 60 years. We’re in Sudan, we’re in Syria killing people. We are in Yemen killing people. We’re in Ukraine clandestinely killing people. Maybe we should pull back from this. We’re in. operations in Haiti, for crying out loud. I mean, where aren’t we? We have over 900 military bases around the world. To me, that’s like 900 too many, personally. I’m sure there are neocons who would argue against it. Well, in fact, there are neocons who would argue against it. We need to have bases in Stuttgart. We need to have an island that was unoccupied in Japan is now a US military base, basically two years ago. We need to be. in Australia. We’ve taken over Australia, basically. It’s a basically a proxy for the United States. You know, we need to we need to have a massive new NATO base in Poland. Of course, we do for me, you know, Romania, Romania, because of for me to, you know, remain. because of our security. So the European people, and I can’t, again, I can’t speak for all of them, but I mean, the Portuguese people that I know absolutely don’t want war. But it’s amazing, it was amazing to watch because as this whole theater was unfolding in Ukraine. The Portuguese just basically, they kind of go along with, I mean, they were a socialist government up until, still led by socialists, but they were really under Salazar up until the 70s. So when the government tells them to do something, they do it. When they get a text alert telling them they need to go and get their COVID shot, the Portuguese are rule followers. They are absolutely rule followers. They will do it.

Tucker [00:20:51] most people are.

Clayton Morris [00:20:53] And when you have a government that threatens you, and you’re just trying to take care of your family, you don’t want something to happen to your children, your way of life, you don’t want to get some nasty Graham in the mail threatening your life, most people are compliant in that way. So they get a text message, go and get your next second COVID shot. You got your first one, go get it. You get a text message and they got it. They were at a report to a center to go and do that. It’s unbelievable. And I would get in fights because I’m an American. people would tell me to put on a mask, you know, authorities, and I’d tell them like, no, and I would yell at them about putting on a COVID mask, I’m not going to do it, you know, trying to go to the grocery store, you had to put it, no, I’m not wearing it, you know, so we get in fights, I was getting fights a lot. And my wife would be like, he’s just, you know, so as a good wife would, you know, like, so, and I just would yell at the ridiculousness of these things. For instance, there’s a, There’s a thing along in Cascayish Bay. I don’t know if you’ve ever had a chance to go to Cascayish, which is just outside of Lisbon. It’s a beautiful little like very like wealthy area, I guess. And it’s very cosmopolitan. So you get a lot of different, you know, French there, British there, wealthy Portuguese. It’s very interesting. It’s more of a touristy area. But anyway, there’s a big seawall called the Paradao and it runs along the ocean for about five kilometers. While we were renting an apartment there for a little while, I would walk the dog along there and it’s very wide. I mean, it’s maybe 40 feet, 50 feet wide. It’s huge. Bike paths on it. There’s like workout equipment, the whole thing. Like, so it’s wide and there’s the ocean is right there. It’s beautiful. It’s all stone. So take the dog on a walk. Then when COVID hits, they shut it down. They put like the police tape around all the outside side workout equipment that sits in the sun, by the way. So you couldn’t work out. You couldn’t do any pull -ups or anything like that because I guess COVID could survive out in this, by the ocean. Like, I don’t know if you’ve ever had a bicycle by the ocean, you sit it there for like a day, it’s all rusted. But COVID can survive on workout equipment in the sun. You know, it’s ridiculous. So I’m glad they put police tape all around this stuff.

Tucker [00:23:07] COVID DOESN’T RUH

Clayton Morris [00:23:08] Right. Right. It doesn’t run. So, you know, you would walk along this peridot and now they roped it off. You couldn’t do it anymore. And there would be surfers out in the water still kind of breaking the rules and the police. So the surfers were constantly running from the police because they, Portuguese love surfing. They have some of the best surfers in the world. So they’re out surfing and the police would pull down and the surfers, you’d see them scatter along the waves and run up the banks to get away from the police who were constantly chasing them out of the ocean surfing while they were. you know, while COVID was striking, you know?

Tucker [00:23:41] Anyway, all that to say. Wait, can I just pause and say, what’s interesting is, I mean, a country like that needs a revolution. Yeah. And hopefully not a violent one, I’m against violence, but it needs a revolution. Like any government that do that to its own people needs to be overthrown in some way or another. But I bet you that Portugal, like the rest of the West, didn’t even come close.

Clayton Morris [00:23:59] Not even close. I mean, when they told you to stay inside, there was no one on the street. The rule on the weekend was you had to be in your house by noon. Noon? Noon. Noon or two o ‘clock, forgive me for, but it was right around the, once you were done with your lunch, basically you couldn’t be on the streets. You couldn’t be driving a car, any of that. And so whole communities would just shut down. And I never left the house anyway, so it was okay for me. So I’d just take a walk with the dog or whatever. but It was unbelievable. You couldn’t be out. All the restaurants were forced to shut down.

Tucker [00:24:33] What if you didn’t want to get the COVID Vax?

Clayton Morris [00:24:36] Um, did anyone not get it there? No. I mean, it was like overwhelming. It’s like Israel. I think it was like overwhelming. Like everyone got it. Right. I think it was like, in Israel, I think everyone.

Tucker [00:24:47] I don’t know, but I keep reading it.

Clayton Morris [00:24:48] Wouldn’t you love to see the data? Because I’m sure they’ll keep it hidden from us. And I’ve been very curious about the Israeli data. They had some of the best reporting, like their VAERS system is way better than the United States for data. Which is the vaccine injury, self -reported vaccine injury database. Exactly. So only a fraction of injuries were reported to the VAERS system in the United States, right? So we know that, in Israel, they have all the data. I would love to know. what all that vaccine injury data looks like, if they ever come forward with it fully. And maybe they have, and I haven’t seen it yet, but that would be fascinating to look into. I’m sure someone out there would look into that. But anyway, same with Portugal. I mean, very high rates of getting there.

Tucker [00:25:33] know anyone who didn’t take it? So it was pretty much universal uptake. That’s crazy.

Clayton Morris [00:25:47] And we were lucky because we were residents, we didn’t have to. Like we were so, thank God, like our kids, nothing like that. But all the kids, like every, like Portuguese, as far as I know, was required. And they would send out text alerts. We would get text alerts like, get your kids vaccinated. And I was like, no way, sorry, not gonna happen. So, but I’m sure Portuguese kids did. So again, I would love to know what the actual data is from Europe once all the dust settles from this. the white fibrous clots that we’re seeing, of course, through all across the United States now, the massive white fibrous clots that we’re seeing from people living and dead that undertakers are seeing in the United States at record levels, they’ve never seen it before. Where are these? Oh, I’ve been an undertaker for 40 years. I’ve never once seen these massive white fibrous clots that seem to have begun in the past few years as a result of something. Maybe we could look into that. I have just a suggestion, but we won’t look into it, I’m sure. So all that to say, like walking along that seawall, just to make this analogy, that’s all roped off 40 feet of wide open space, but you can walk up the street on the sidewalk in Portugal. The sidewalks are like this big, like you could fit basically me on the sidewalk. You have to turn sideways when you’re walking, but that’s open. So let’s just be clear. I can’t walk down here. where I’m gonna walk into somebody, I wouldn’t walk into somebody, I have 15 feet of birth. Up there, I have to pass right next to somebody and that’s their law. So it was ridiculous, it was all over the place. In many ways it was worse in the United States.

Tucker [00:27:26] But nobody got together and said, hey, we need to overthrow this tyrannical government. No, no, no, of course. So that is like the deep last, no, I mean, if you grew up in the United States hearing about which I’m sure no one ever mentions at this point, but, you know, the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution and, you know, free people determined to remain free and throwing off the yoke of tyranny and using arms to do it, but also, but more than just violence, but, you know, explaining why they’re doing it and standing untrue principle. If you grew up hearing about that, then you think, well, that desire to be free beats in every human heart. And, you know, but I guess it doesn’t. I don’t really know, but there’s no evidence that anybody is organizing to push back against this. And I just want to say really clearly, I think they should, but no one seems to be.

Clayton Morris [00:28:18] I see some bright spots. I mean, over the past few days, massive protests in Paris against Emmanuel Macron and the French funding of Ukraine. I would definitely see demonstrations, people organizing, but not very large. And you have to understand also, there’s massive censorship. And there are, you know, you will be, we have canceling, you know, cancel culture. I have journalist friends in Portugal who lost their jobs because they spoke out. They were, you know, university. They spoke out against Ukraine. They were journalists, and they were telling the Portuguese people what was actually happening in Ukraine, and they were fired from their positions at university.

Tucker [00:28:59] Really? Well! In Portugal, they would fire an on -air journalist for opposing the Ukraine War. I’m just glad that would never happen in the United States.

Clayton Morris [00:29:09] Can you imagine? It’s amazing. It’s been amazing to me to watch the unfolding, the propaganda. It’s amazing that it took this long. So a few weeks ago, Zelensky’s in the Oval Office. I don’t know if you saw that. And it was like bring your kid to work day, you know, at the Oval Office. and let daddy speak now here in the Oval Office about what’s actually happening. But it was amazing. Suddenly, then, of course, social media exploded with people for the first time. It seemed like understanding that, wait a second, this isn’t all as it seems here. And then, of course, you had the same massive army, the bot army and everything else from a few years ago, that was really defending the war in Ukraine, which had really been lessened over the past few years. I don’t know if their CIA bot farms or whatever were drying up in Ukraine. CIA was repositioning resources for how they were going to carried that out. Suddenly it was like a flood. It was like, oh my god, they flipped the servers back on or something like that. You know, Victoria Nuland got on the phone and was like, hey, get those, you know, get the websites back up again, get the bot army, you know, going on social media and trying to protect the war in Ukraine because now Trump was showing the truth here and JD Vance was showing the truth that was unfolding. So it’s been this unbelievable resurgence over the past few weeks. to the propaganda for Ukraine. You saw the massive Ukrainian flag being unfurled in Washington, D .C. the other day. Who funded that? Flags are popping up all over again. Like I’ve seen them just driving around. Ukrainian flags are now back in people’s windows again. People are putting Ukrainian flags back in their social media profiles again. Like what the hell’s going on in the past few days? Like it’s just, it’s unbelievable to watch.

Tucker [00:31:01] And it’s not just –

Clayton Morris [00:31:02] BOTS IT’S SLEEP

Tucker [00:31:03] It’s the Wall Street Journal, it’s Neil Ferguson, the eminent historian, and it’s a lot of people, actually, all of a sudden are like, no, no, no, no, no, we’re four square behind Zelensky. Where do those orders come from? What is that? Zelensky can’t win, he’s helped destroy his own country. I think the United States has destroyed his country. I think the Biden administration has destroyed his country. I actually don’t think it’s really Zelensky’s fault, if I’m being honest. But whatever like we did Ukraine wrong all these people, some of them with jobs, and they’re not bots, they’re human beings, I know some of them. They’re like all in? What is that? I don’t understand, to me it’s a…

Clayton Morris [00:31:46] kind of a madness. Yeah, it does feel that way. Because something that’s happened to me over the past year, maybe I’ve become more empathetic. But, when it comes to not knowing things. Like I have more empathy now for people who like a family, a family of five that got three kids, they work all day, they get a few minutes of news at night, right? They flip on CNN or another channel, like it’s no longer in business, but I think you even used to work there a few years ago, but it just went out of business called MSNBC. Like they’ll flip on that, you know, and they get a few minutes of news and then they’ve put their kids to bed, they make dinner, whatever. So I have empathy for those people. Oh gosh, yes. Where I lose my empathy is for people who. have access to this information whether it’s you know neocons in Washington or whatever else they know

Tucker [00:32:47] Are you speaking directly of Ann Applebaum?

Clayton Morris [00:32:51] Yes, and Apple Bomb.

Tucker [00:32:52] Who’s husband?

Clayton Morris [00:32:52] The staff at the Atlantic. Whose husband, what, cheerlead the destruction of the Nord Stream pipeline. Riddick Sikorski, lunatic. So these people who have access to the information but then choose to go the evil route, that’s where I lose it. So again, I have empathy for people that just don’t understand and you see this awakening I think over the past few weeks about like, what was this dressing down of Zelinsky in the Oval Office? Like, I don’t understand. Wait a second. I thought he was the hero. We see him on the Grammys! Right, he pops up every time there’s an award show, he’s asking for money. Thank you for standing with Ukraine. Like he’s our guy. So wait a minute, you’re telling me that this is wrong?

Tucker [00:33:31] Nobody cares about Ukraine, we just watch the murder of its entire young male population, and we want more to die. So we’re not for Ukraine, we’re against Russia. And we’re so against Russia that calling someone pro -Russia is a slur, basically, but no one ever explains why are we supposed to be against Russia. I feel like I’m coming to a conversation late, I missed the predicate. The part where you explain to me why I have to hate Russia. I’m totally agnostic on Russia. Well, now I have been to Moscow a couple of times and I think it’s the most beautiful city I’ve ever been to, so I like Moscow, but I still don’t even have strong feelings about Russia. Why am I supposed to hate Russia? Like, what is this? Cause like they mistreat, I don’t, I’m gonna speculate what this is, but I don’t get it still three years in. Didn’t you see the movie,

Clayton Morris [00:34:20] at dawn in the 1980s.

Tucker [00:34:21] Those are the Soviets! Like, I’m totally opposed to the Soviets!

Clayton Morris [00:34:24] They invade. They’re going to invade us.

Tucker [00:34:25] right now. But aren’t you paying attention? The truth is that so many of the people who are now fanatically opposed to Russia were not fanatically opposed to the Soviets. Right. So what the hell is going on? I actually think even the term Ukraine is a distraction from the truth which is we are at war with Russia. That war is funded by the United States primarily. I mean some of the attacks on Russia were coordinated by US military personnel in Ukraine. The Ukrainian government is supported wholly by the United States. Our intel agencies and our intel officers are in Ukraine directing the Ukrainian intel service. So these are all facts. So like we are at war with Russia, but why?

Clayton Morris [00:35:09] hatred. I think you if you so that’s a brilliant question why maybe it goes back to looking at George Soros and his I think an essay that he wrote in the 1990s about this because he’s been largely involved in his open society project which is the destruction of Russia. Yes. So the destruction of Russia is meant to enable the expansion of the United States militarily and economically. We need to destroy Russia. We need to destroy China, according to George Soros, in order for that expansion. So George Soros intimately involved with the expansion of NATO, using Slavic people, not Americans, to die on behalf of George Soros and NGOs like USAID and others to have this massive change. So Adam Schiff said it publicly on the house floor for crying out loud. I mean, I played that clip a million times. We, they die over there. So we don’t have to, we fight them over there. So we, they don’t have to, we don’t have to fight them here. It’s the same thing. I don’t know if you saw Eric Swalwell last week for crying out loud. He said, this is the greatest investment we’ve ever made. Meaning, and he said, zero Americans have died, which is a lie by the way, cause there’s actually been a number of Americans that have died fighting Russia in Ukraine. Well, a bunch of Americans have died. It’d be interesting to see finally. When those families have been told to sign NDAs and not speak about it, I know for a fact that Americans have died in Ukraine fighting Russia. Of course. Some of it’s on camera, by the way. Yeah, but they’ll deny it. They’ll say that these were just mercenaries. They weren’t tied to it. They’re just, oh, they were there voluntarily, like the guy who tried to kill Trump in Mar -a -Lago. Like, you know, these are just… but they’ll deny it. These are, we have no control over these people. That’s total bullshit. Of course you have control over these people.

Tucker [00:36:56] Well, you could very easily say that, and we probably should say, that no American is allowed to serve in a foreign military. I don’t understand. person serving on the National Security Council right now who served in the Ministry of Defense in a foreign country? Like, no, how about no? You’re not allowed to have multiple citizenships. You’re not allowed to serve in a foreign military? What? If that’s not disloyal, I don’t know what is. We have a military. We have all kinds of clear and present threats. Basically because the people serving in foreign militaries encouraged us to get involved in all this crap. Anyway, whatever. We could clearly shut that down and we haven’t. You made reference to NDAs. Do you think that people have been pushed?

Clayton Morris [00:37:42] to sign NDAs? Oh, for sure. The families of those who have fallen specifically in Ukraine. I wonder how many people, I wonder if President Trump, transparency, how many Americans have died in Ukraine fighting Russia? And then how many families of those special forces or just NATO, whatever, NATO soldiers have had to sign NDAs about their service there? That’s wild. I never even thought of that. Um, I’ve had, you know, former members of the CIA tell me that, uh, high ranking members of the military tell me that. So I would like to know maybe the Trump administration can pull these numbers out and we can hear more about that. How many Americans have died? Because we know French, Polish, Polish more than anyone dying in Ukraine. Um, I mean, talk about a country that’s been destroyed. You know

Tucker [00:38:32] I hate to say it, but the polls, who I think are great people for the record, never met a poll I didn’t like, except for Anna Applebaum’s husband, but boy, they always end up bearing the brunt of everything.

Clayton Morris [00:38:45] Yeah, massive NATO bases, a flood of refugees that have completely changed their country. Millions of Ukrainian refugees have poured across the border that they just welcomed in with open arms. The language totally changed in neighborhoods across Poland. So instead of speaking Polish, you’re just hearing Ukrainian now through these neighborhoods. Completely changed that. So when I look at the project and go back to the 90s, go back just a few years to 2014, I’ve seen this awakening or at least an awareness over the past week once Trump and JD Vance dressed down Zelensky in the Oval Office to say, because Zelensky lied right to their faces multiple times that Putin violated our exchange of prisoners. He violated the Minsk agreements. Well, to anyone sitting there saying, oh, really, oh, so Putin’s the bad guy. He’s the one who violated the prisoner swap. Really, that’s, no, no. So when you start looking at it, no, that’s not at all what happens. Zelensky lied right to Trump’s face, right to Zelensky’s face, that Putin violated the prisoner exchange in 2019, that’s total bullshit, total BS. In fact, Zelensky’s on camera welcoming the prisoners back at a ceremony. I think it was in Paris in 2019. So Putin didn’t violate that at all. In fact, he adhered to it. Same with the Minsk agreements, which we know Angela Merkel, chancellor of Germany at the time, joked later that they were never going to adhere to the Minsk agreements to provide peace and stick with that. Instead, they carried out a genocide in Eastern Ukraine, what was Eastern Ukraine for 10 years. No one wants to talk about the civilians that were, This infuriates me at a level Just picture a child in Donbass or Donetsk or Luhansk walking to school and they go through a park and they pick up one of these pedal mines. Have you seen these pedal mines? These green, they look like a leaf. Journalist Eva Bartlett has done unbelievable work on this. But these kids, they’re meant to look. So the kids walk up to them and they pick them up and their hands blow off. That’s what these civilians have been dealing with in Donbass and Donetsk, in Luhansk for 10 years. So ethnic Russians living in those areas. So when people say, oh, this thing started when Putin invaded. Okay, yes, I’m very anti -war. So I always feel like, yes, there’s probably a way to solve it without killing people. So in that, I’ll give you that. Putin maybe didn’t need to invade in order to… And he didn’t want to, by the way. He didn’t want to. His government, his parliament voted for it. He didn’t want to. So to go into Eastern Ukraine, in Donbass, in the next video. and Luhansk set up areas and protect those ethnic Russians who were being slaughtered for the past 10 years. and it was the United States, it was NATO, it was Boris Johnson, it was all of those clowns pushing NATO right up to that doorstep and coordinating these attacks. I mean, the CIA, the New York Times had a whole profile on how CIA basically runs. Multiple field offices. So the coup that took place in 2014, I know you’ve spoken at length about this, you know all about it. I know your audience is well -educated, they know all about it. But this was a CIA -backed coup in 2014. We installed a Western puppet government in Ukraine after the Maidan coup to do our bidding. So I have some empathy for Zelensky and I’ll tell you why. Because here’s a guy who’s sitting in the White House and I feel like he doesn’t know, Well, first of all, he’s not in power And he’s wondering, okay, I just got off the phone with Victoria Newland and Susan Rice before I walked in. and Susan Rice before I… Exactly.

Tucker [00:42:45] Exactly and a bunch of low IQ Republican Senator warmonger freaks

Clayton Morris [00:42:49] Yeah, so probably Lindsey Graham got on the phone with him.

Tucker [00:42:50] the phone with him and Mike rounds and all these people. Yeah.

Clayton Morris [00:42:53] Yeah, and they’re like, hey, Vladimir, I’ve been to Ukraine many, many times. We’ve been funneling money and weapons to you for a long time. Here’s what you need to do. You need to play hardball with Trump. Exactly. When you get in there, you need to tell him, we need security guarantees. Trump loves a little confrontation, so just do that. Make sure, and I don’t know if you know it, around the 34 minute mark in that confrontation, some little lackey from his staff leans over and gives him like marching orders. No. So around the 34 minute mark Yeah, we did a thing about it like a couple of weeks ago. He leans over, I think it was a female, male? I forget. Anyway, leans over right to Zelinsky and says something, you know, like for like a minute, it’s like guiding him. Like, Wow. And then, then stuff hits the fan. Like, hey, remember that meeting you had with, you know, I’m just speculating. Remember that meeting you had with Victoria Newland yesterday when you got, you know, just the Susan Rice phone call, you know, like just remember, remember we talked about security guarantees, security guarantees, security guarantees. Right after that.

Tucker [00:43:59] Fireworks. That’s the worst advice anyone has ever given anyone. Try to outman Trump on camera. Right, right. Patronize Trump on camera. Call the vice president a bitch in Ukrainian or Russian. Yeah. And things will go well for you.

Clayton Morris [00:44:18] Right. How’s that going to go? And you know what is, it’s interesting, it almost did because I don’t think Trump heard it or was fully aware at that moment what was happening. Like I, when you see, you can see Trump and he’s just trying to be cordial.

Tucker [00:44:33] and J .D. Vance hears it. He’s very, Trump is, for the record, Trump is extremely cordial, you know, for all the talk of how he’s this Florida lunatic. He doesn’t want that, he didn’t want those fireworks. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. He is elaborately polite, and anyone who’s dealt with him will tell you that. I mean, he’s a, you know, he’s like, he’s like a innkeeper. I don’t mean to be, to diminish his role or be patriotic or anything like that, but he’s the guy, he’s like master of ceremonies, kind of personality, like, we’re all here, it’s great, like. He is not a public.

Clayton Morris [00:45:04] conflict guy at all. Yeah, I’ve never really seen him other than, you know, somebody standing up with a cane at a State of the Union address. And even then he was cordial.

Tucker [00:45:11] You know, he really is it’s his it. I mean, I’ve seen it a lot. It’s his instinct Yeah, like I really believe the last thing that Trump wants is the kind of thing that happened with Zelensky like he doesn’t want that

Clayton Morris [00:45:22] rather have it behind closed doors. To 100%. So I think when JD Vance saw that happening, you know, he called it out, he had had enough of it, I think. And but I felt, I guess all that to say I felt bad for Zelinsky in a way because, you know, as a human being, here’s a guy who he doesn’t know who’s in charge. No, he’s a pawn. He’s just a pawn. He’s sitting there being used by Victoria Newland and Susan Rice. And then of course, you see Susan Rice pop right up on television on CNN almost immediately. So they had her ready to go. She’s a hard, she was my neighbor.

Tucker [00:45:51] for five years, we shared a backyard. Very nice, and I liked her husband, and she has nice children, but she’s a hard case. Like for real, she’s a hard case, she’s not. How do you mean? She’s just, you know, she’s tough. She’s not a sentimental person. She knows if she decides on a mission, like whatever it takes to achieve the mission, period. I’m not even attacking her, I’m just noting that, you know, she’s definitely not. you know, someone who’s gonna let human emotion get in the way of achieving what she thinks she wants to achieve. The mission is to destroy Russia. So getting back to that, the mission is to, just to be clear, Ukraine and Zelensky himself, I totally, you’re the only other person I’ve heard say that, but I completely agree with you. As a human being, I feel for him. I think he’s committed a lot of crimes. I think he’s killed a ton of people, tried to assassinate a bunch of people. They have assassinated people. He’s allowed his weapons to be sold to terrorist groups. I mean, it’s really, he’s really been bad. However, he is a pawn, and that’s totally true. he’s a hapless pawn in the nation of Ukraine. is caught between great powers as it has been before, as Poland has before. And so they’re all in some deeper sense victims. This is a war between the United States and Western Europe and Russia. And so it does raise the question once more, like, why? And you’re, I of course interrupted you, but, and I’m sorry. But your answer was it’s an economic play. They want the resources. Is that what you’re saying or?

Clayton Morris [00:47:20] I think if you look at the clearest example of why it comes from George Soros, I think, in his Open Society project, to me anyway, and if you see what he’s been trying to do to destabilize and regime change funding, I mean, hundreds of millions of dollars to NATO, right? So you see the expansion of NATO almost concurrently with his massive amounts of nations to NATO and to the expansion of NATO right up to their doorstep. So for all of the NATO is a defensive organization morons out there, you’re lying and the encircling of Russia has been the goal, has been the goal through these NGOs. Now the CIA can’t do it out as publicly, right? So what does the CIA now use? They use NGOs. Whether it’s the facilitation of, through USAID or other, you know, other non -governmental funding.

Tucker [00:48:13] funding all these groups here.

Clayton Morris [00:48:15] funding all these groups. So they do it so that they don’t have to, they can kind of step back from it. So the CIA can funnel billions of dollars into Ukraine through all of these different organizations and everything else. They can do it through our Open Borders Project in the United States under the Biden administration, through the Catholic Charities, through the, through HIAS, the Hebrew International Aid Society. So all of these NGOs that have facilitated the child sex trafficking in the United States to me is one of the greatest crimes of all time. really upset that we don’t talk more about it. Maybe we can. But to me, the open society piece of this is the really the the has been a big driver of this. I can’t say it’s the only thing, but it’s it’s born out of those think tanks that NATO needs to expand, destabilize Russia, basically install a Western government in Russia to facilitate through mineral resources and everything else. Making sure that they’re using the US dollar and the Soros openly talks about this. So this is not like a fantasy.

Tucker [00:49:19] I think it’s grotesque, if that’s really the goal to break apart Russia, and you heard that airhead from Estonia say that the other day, I think it should be a bunch of little countries, and it’s like, the thing that I respect most about Putin, and appreciate and grateful for with Putin, is that he’s kept Russia together. They have more nuclear weapons than any country in the world, it’s the largest country in the world. It’s 20 % Muslim, it’s like, it could easily become you know, post -Soviet Yugoslavia, with endless wars that would not only kill a lot of people there, but would also endanger the world. You lose track of nuclear weapons, really? I mean, it’s insane, actually. What you want is stability and clear accounting of where the deadliest weapons are, where the bio labs, where the nuclear warheads, like you, that’s super important. So if you had a Syria in Russia, like everyone in the world would die. And so how, and I’m no genius, that’s for sure. And that’s super obvious to me. So if you’re pushing to break up Russia, it would instantly be in like a 500 year war with itself. Right. Why would you want that?

Clayton Morris [00:50:33] I don’t know what drives these evil people. I really think – That’s evil. I think they’re demonic. I really think they’re demonic. For sure. That’s evil! For sure! Because if most Americans understood, and we tried to do at least on our show, some coverage of it, but like look at Syria for instance, right? If most Americans understood that there’s a genocide happening in Syria that was backed by President Biden and the removal of Assad, regardless of what you think about Assad, doesn’t really matter. It doesn’t really matter.

Tucker [00:51:05] Someone else I’m required to hate, I don’t have strong feelings, but. You’re required to hate him, and you’re also required to believe the propaganda. Because some douchebag at the Atlantic magazine decides he’s in the way of some goal some other country has, no, no, no. I’m an American, and I’m a Christian also, and Assad protected the Christians, that’s a fact. And whatever else he did, so I think it’s totally fair for me to say I don’t want chaos in any country because it’s a threat to me and my country, we get terrorism because of it. mass invasions like Europe has had of refugees. And I don’t want the Christians to be murdered. Like, I don’t know. It’s such a weird position. How can you take that position? Can I say one other thing that I will, should I put like – And can I say one other thing? Here’s my theory on Russia. I think it’s clearly a resource player, absolutely right. Americans loved Russia when it was supine and chaotic and the life expectancy for men was 49 and everyone was like dying of cirrhosis on the sidewalk and all that. They loved it because they could loot it, and they did. Oh, Bill Clinton looted the hell out of it. For sure. Yeah. But I really think the problem with Putin is not his territorial expansion. Putin has shown no sign that he… his territorial ambitions. He’s got a country that’s like almost impossible to manage already. He wants Poland? Stop. He wants Portugal? You moron. Right, no he doesn’t. It’s like only children believe that. No, I think the difference with Putin is Christianity. And I think that, I didn’t used to think that, but then I noticed that the same people who, and I’m 55, so I remember a lot of the same people and certainly the same kind of people making excuses for the Soviet Union, which was an atheist state. Putin comes in and he’s like, actually, we’re gonna bring back the Orthodox Church. We’re gonna fund the Orthodox Church as a Christian country. And that was it. That’s when he became like a true enemy of the ruling class of the United States. I saw the same thing in Hungary. Hungary was totally fine from 1945 to 1991. It was a Soviet satellite state, part of the Warsaw Pact. It was an officially atheist country. And then it was a kind of transition period. And then Orban comes, who’s like, he’s not even right wing. He’s like kind of. 70s liberal, live -in -let -live guy. But he’s like, no, this is a Christian country. All of a sudden, the Atlantic magazine and the Atlantic Council and every other group of. Can I have that? of stupid people with power in Washington. It’s like, we need to kill him. And in fact, there have been attempts on his life, actually, at least one that has not been publicized. I didn’t know that. So, yeah, by that, you know, by the same block of people. I didn’t know that one. And…

Clayton Morris [00:53:34] I hate him for that.

Tucker [00:53:35] So I’m just – I’m just trying to understand –

Clayton Morris [00:53:37] Susan Powell from USAID flies into Hungary and starts like setting up operations to destabilize Hungary. You know, you remember that?

Tucker [00:53:44] Oh yeah, and then we send, under Biden, we send an ambassador, Pressman I think his name was, this gay guy and his boyfriend or whatever to spend his entire time in Budapest lecturing the Hungarians about how bad they are. It’s like, that’s diplomacy, that’s our ambassador? No, it was, his whole role was to insult. the Hungarians inflame the relationship between the Hungarian government and the US to basically try to humiliate them. It’s like, why would you wanna do that? Why do you think they’re trying to kill so many Christians? I mean, the play. Because I think it’s a spiritual, there’s something about, look, let’s just be totally honest. There’s something about Christianity, which is like the only world religion I’m aware of, theistic religion that preaches non -violence, which it does. Yeah, huh. You know, others don’t at all. and Christianity does, it’s against violence. Tons of Christians commit violence, but they’re in violation of their religion, in my opinion. But you would think it would be the most popular religion with world leaders, cause it’s like, the Christians aren’t gonna hassle you. Jesus says, give unto Caesar what Caesar’s, give unto God what’s God, don’t overthrow the government. It’s a very kind of compliant religion, actually, and inherently pro -peace, and yet they’re always the ones who get murdered. When the Spanish Civil War started in that famous photograph, of the communist forces, what’s the first thing they open fire on? A statue of Jesus, there’s this famous picture of them firing their eight millimeters at a statue of Jesus. And it’s like, what is that? And I don’t think there’s a rational explanation for it. I think it’s spiritual, clearly. And it’s very heartening as a Christian to know that a nonviolent religion triggers people that much. It suggests maybe it’s true. Yeah, it’s like, why do you hate it so much? It’s like, it’s like. Why do you?

Clayton Morris [00:55:31] Why do you care? It’s at cross purposes with their mission. So when you see the neocons in Washington, when you see these warmongers and these NGOs that want the destruction, you know, the massive expansion, the military industrial complex, I mean, to your point about Europe, I mean, Ursula von der Leyen, a few like last week standing there with Vladimir Zelensky said that Putin’s going to invade Europe. He’s, this is Ukraine, we fight in Ukraine to protect the rest of Europe because if it’s not for Ukraine, Putin will march right through Brussels. And people, I think they say that.

Tucker [00:56:04] I don’t wanna be dark, I know this is gonna be clipped, but at this point, Europe is so, and I love Europe and I’m there constantly and I family there, I mean I really love Europe truly as an American, but it’s so degraded, you know. It’s collapsing. I don’t even wanna say it, I’m not even gonna say would it actually be worse or not, but it’s pretty bad right now. Someone really smart said to me the other day, the reason the Europeans hate. I don’t know. Russia is because it’s the only thing all Europeans have in common. It’s the only unifying Yeah, you need a good enemy

Clayton Morris [00:56:36] You need a good enemy. That’s it. It’s like the Wizard of Oz, right? You need a good enemy. But it’s not the Chinese. It’s not the East. No, you need, and so now instead of, you know, once we, once we’re done with Russia and China, then it’ll be space, you know, then it’ll be, it’ll be some sort of alien race that we need to marshal the military industrial complex for. So in the United States, it’s like, are we pulling back on the massive amounts of money we’re spending, the trillion dollars a year, to fight these, these enemies that we’re creating, whether it’s Assad or it’s Gaddafi. or it’s some people on camels in Iraq or Afghanistan, like we need to constantly being, we need to constantly move the shell game around. So for a while it’s Putin, that’s not gonna really work out, but Europe, now you can do it, but now it’s gonna be China or Iran. So it’s Iran next, you know, it’s hard to, once we’ve exhausted all that though, it’ll be space. It’ll be like some sort of a reptilian race or something in space that we’ll have to fight next. So, what?

Tucker [00:57:32] What is the truth about the lights in the sky seen over the mid -Atlantic over the Christmas season?

Clayton Morris [00:57:42] learned that it was in fact a PSYOP. It was a false flag operation by the Biden administration. And they admitted it. And I think we got confirmation from the Trump administration. Can you tell me what that means? The goal was we need. administration. You know, we’re going to show all of these these drones because we we heard it was Iran first of all Remember it was a mother ship off the coast

Tucker [00:58:01] because Iran tried to assassinate President Trump. The biggest lie ever, I’m trying to use the f -word now, it’s lent, but. from another big lie. That’s a lie, by the way. Yes. The government of Iran. Thank you for saying that. Did not try to murder. Thank you for saying that. Donald Trump during the presidential campaign.

Clayton Morris [00:58:17] I hope everyone’s paying attention to that.

Tucker [00:58:18] because that’s being parodied all over media right now. That the government of Iran tried to murder, anyone who says that is a liar or so subject to propaganda that he should not be talking in public.

Clayton Morris [00:58:32] Roger Stone, close friend of President Trump, almost immediately said it was a lie, came right out. I said it was a lie.

Tucker [00:58:36] I said it was a lie immediately, in public and private. So, yeah, that’s a lie. Whatever, sorry, sorry. It was fabricated. And I’ve said on social media.

Clayton Morris [00:58:43] It was fabricated and I’ve said on social media it’s fabricated if you don’t know that it’s fabricated it was fabricated. Yeah fabricated No, I think regardless of the Iran or Iranian piece of it It was really to I think build up the massive contracts for drone production in the United States

Tucker [00:58:57] So but but to get back to your initial description, so you think that those lights were

Clayton Morris [00:59:05] government drones? I think so. I think that they were man -made government drones and I think that I think it was clear what the plan was. If you don’t have a massive drone infrastructure in the United States, what better way to get bureaucrats and members of congress on board with making sure that we build up our own drone infrastructure in the United States by then? threatening the idea that these are Chinese or Iranian drones flying over military bases in the United States. False flags, we have such a, false flags are very useful. Yeah, I know. Very useful, and they work. I know. They work, sadly, USS Liberty. USS Liberty, a famous false flag. You know, you want to get us in the war against Egypt? Well, then Israel and the CIA collaborate and bomb and kill American sailors on the USS Liberty. Too bad you didn’t kill all of them, because a lot of them lived, and they told the world what the hell happened when they tried to use American sailors as a false flag to get us into a war against Egypt. Didn’t work. Even though Lyndon Johnson and the CIA tried their damnedest to work with Israel to do it. So you think Lyndon Johnson knew that American sailors were being murdered? 100%. It goes all the way to him. You could read Blood in the Water. Joan Mellon’s an incredible book so evil that I can’t even he’s such an evil evil human being such an evil human being but don’t ask Doris Kearns Goodwin that because you know she’ll write a book about how amazing he is but he was an evil an evil son of a bitch and He knew he knew in fact and wouldn’t allow them to be rescued by the way Not only knew about it, but wouldn’t allow them to be rescued They hope that every American died in the waters that day, but they didn’t

Tucker [01:00:54] Lyndon Johnson knew this. Knew this. and

Clayton Morris [01:01:01] I think he’s paying for that right now. I believe that. Yeah, you would hope. Yeah. And a lot of other people knew it too, in the CIA. So I love when people today –

Tucker [01:01:10] Some got some poor American sailors on a surveillance ship not lightly armed not really armed. No, it’s a spy ship No, it was a spy ship.

Clayton Morris [01:01:18] With massive American flags on the deck, were a friendly ship. And the Israelis knew it. They had it in their control room on the wall. Friendly, friendly. They knew it. And the scout ships that were flying that morning knew it. So it’s a lie that it was a mistake. It was not a mistake. We have the documents. We know that it wasn’t a mistake. It was intentional. So.

Tucker [01:01:40] I didn’t realize, I’m aware of that, and you’re not allowed to say it for some reason.

Clayton Morris [01:01:44] No, you can’t say like these are things that you’re not allowed to talk

Tucker [01:01:47] Right, you can criticize the U .S. government, but… Right, you know Um, but on the other hand, I will say, I mean, it infuriates me that you can criticize your own government, but not a foreign government that’s so grotesque. Um, on the other hand, you also give any foreign government a pass. If it’s acting in its own interest, it’s like, they don’t care about you. You’re a foreign country, you know, like I get it, but the idea of our country allowing the murder of our own sailors who did nothing wrong were sent there. By the way, conscripted, we had the draft then, maybe not even there voluntarily. That’s a great point. That the US government knows that? I mean, I just, my head is, I didn’t know that until you just told me.

Clayton Morris [01:02:30] I hope the Trump administration, I hope Congressman Luna, who’s been heading up the JFK Epstein.

Tucker [01:02:41] Yeah, the release of files, whole thing. Because you can’t just release them, you have to have a congressional committee to hide them even longer. You have to redact things.

Clayton Morris [01:02:49] and hide them, and then release, like, do a… and then release like do a HENTA

Tucker [01:02:51] This is not disclosure!

Clayton Morris [01:02:53] hand out binders, you know. No, I hope the Trump administration, I’ve spoken to these veterans of the USS Liberty and their hope is that the Trump administration and the defense secretary, Pete Hagseth, will actually do a full investigation into this. Openly, publicly, and not pull any punches because of our friends in Israel, but actually put it all out there and go through the full investigation. testimony from the veterans who were seeing eyeballs of the individuals that were bombing them and killing them on board the USS Liberty. Strafing them, too. Strafing them. And when they got in the water, strafing them, you know, and knew that they were friendly. Is that true? Yeah. Is that true? and knew that they were friendly. You know, the captain of the ship said he’d never moved his ship as quickly. He’d never, I don’t know the terminology, I’m not a sea captain, but he floored it in a way that he’d never done before. He was told with urgency to get there and to be put in position. And he was like, why am I being put in position like in a kill zone? Like, why can I go another mile offshore when I’ll be safe? No, you need to be right in this spot. So the Pentagon set it up? Oh yeah, the CIA collaborated with the Israeli government. CIA and maneuvered a US ship to this position to be killed, to be destroyed. The mission was for it to be totally destroyed. So you don’t have people coming on my show just telling you what they saw that day. Like they all were supposed to be dead. Gulf of Tonkin, Remember the Main, you know, you could go down the list, 9 -11, drones over the East Coast of the United States. Like these false flags work for a reason. Because you can’t kill your

Tucker [01:04:43] own people. You’re not allowed to do that. That’s just got to be a red line. The CIA would never kill its own people. You can’t kill your own people, period. Yeah, you can. You’re supposed to protect your own people. You’re in charge of these people. Right. It’s like killing your own children.

Clayton Morris [01:04:57] Tuskegee experiment. You can’t kill your own people. You can’t put American ships and American sailors in waters and then test nuclear weapons on them. You can’t do that. You can’t have the Tuskegee experiment. We have a long history of doing these things.

Tucker [01:05:12] I just feel like that’s a pretty bright line. Like, I’m leading people, I have to do whatever I can up to and very much including giving my own life to protect them, to act in their interest. That’s why I’m the leader. That’s the way you feel about your children, should be a species of the way you feel about anybody you lead. I’m in charge. I get the benefits of being in charge, but I also have the responsibility, the burden of being in charge, which is to act in their interest and sacrifice myself for them. It’s super simple, that’s the basic bargain. People will follow, children will follow a father, men will follow an officer if that’s the deal, right? But if you violate that, if you say, well, I’m gonna kill people, I’m supposed to be saving, then you’ve broken the deal and you are not a legitimate leader and you can get fragged at that point, actually.

Clayton Morris [01:06:08] I think it’s totally fair, right? I would think so, I mean, but then you’ve, the history is lined with people who put their own men in harm’s way. Look at Mao, you know, leading your own men for personal purposes, killing them off for personal purposes. There’s long lines of socialist leaders doing this.

Tucker [01:06:32] Well, that’s why we always hated them. But Lyndon Johnson did that on purpose. Wow, that’s super, super dark. And a lot of other dirty things, right? And a lot of other dirty things. So the most famous dirty thing, of course, that he did was participate in some way, it’s still not clear, in the murder of the president. Right, JFK. And you really see this in maybe the third volume of the Caro series, the biographical series on Lyndon Johnson. Right, Robert Caro. I’m begging your pardon, Robert Caro has written this. Right, Robert Carroll? series of books and Robert Caro was, you know, I think, too sympathetic, etc., etc., but in and very liberal and all that. But in the portion where Johnson is on the plane in Dallas and learns that Kennedy has been murdered and then is sworn in on the plane as president, it’s really clear, really clear from Caro’s description that this is not a surprise to him.

Clayton Morris [01:07:30] Not a surprise at all. And you can go down so many corridors of this and it’s not just as simple as Lyndon Johnson, you know, was somehow involved with using his own hit man that he’d used previously, you know, it’s not as just, that’s it, that’s the story, right? I’ve read so many books on this and you pull the threads, you know, how is, how is, was it Jack Rubenstein? How was he there that afternoon? and how it – How is Lyndon Johnson tied to this with a hitman? How is the mob tied to this? Like all of these strings converging. You know, it’s remarkable. And then, can I just say this? I know it’s crazy. It’s crazy to talk about, but there were people like Billy Meyer who predicted this and prophesized this years in advance and knew the dates, they knew the locations where he would be killed and also knew the dates and locations of where RFK would be assassinated. There’s so many pieces that we still don’t I are you hopeful at all that we’re going to get in these JFK documents.

Tucker [01:08:34] It’s interesting, I mean, I was never interested in the Kennedy assassination, it was over covered and it seemed like the kind of territory of wackos and conspiracy nuts.

Clayton Morris [01:08:45] That’s where the third

Tucker [01:08:46] Oh, I know well then of course, you know, it’s it’s not ignorance that makes you a conspiracy nut. It’s knowledge Oh, I – Which I didn’t know. I was such an idiot. That’s a great point. I still am an idiot in some ways, but I Welcome to the club. Welcome to the club. I still am an idiot in some ways, but I’ve learned that. Welcome to the club. Welcome to the club. I’ve learned that. In the past, yeah, the past six or seven years, I have learned a lot about it. I’m hardly an expert, but I’ve learned enough to know that there’s something actually there. And I’ve learned a lot about it, actually. But anyway, the point is, President Trump, to his everlasting credit, issues an executive order on January 23rd, saying, you know, release the files on the JFK assassination, on the Bobby Kennedy assassination, in the Basra Hotel in 1968. And then on the MLK assassination, the April of 68, which I’ve always thought, to my credit, I’ve always thought that was a conspiracy. I mean, clearly that’s an absurd story that James Earl Ray, an escaped prison mate, somehow winds up in Heathrow Airport with two fake passports. Like, how did you do that? Clearly there were others involved. I don’t know who – Sounds a lot like Butler, Pennsylvania too, doesn’t it? How does that happen? But he issues this executive order, which I guess has the force of law. He’s the President of the United States, elected President of the United States. does this. Sounds a lot – Three days after the inauguration, it’s one of the first things he does. And here we are in March, whatever it is, the second week of March, and we’ve got nothing. And in the case of – Are we being played? I honestly don’t know what’s going on, but I’ll tell you just by deduction what I know is true. First of all, I know that the CIA was involved in some way or parts of the CIA, the Angleton, the counter intel part of the CIA. CIA is huge, it’s not everyone in the CIA, but there were CIA officials who were involved. I know that because I know someone who saw some of the documents and told me that. I have thought up until recently, well, it must be, you know, they’re trying to protect the institution, the CIA, everyone’s dead 62 years later, everyone’s dead. So why are you holding it? Like, why don’t you just, here’s everything we have, like, why do you care? And I always thought it was, well, you gotta protect the CIA, but then, you know, we had the Church Committee hearings 50 years ago and they showed the CIA was up to all kinds of nonsense, like pretty dark stuff, and everyone already knows that. So they’re gonna. further discredit the institute. Like nobody cares actually. Nobody cares. Everyone knows the CIA is the most corrupt organization in the world. Nobody can even name the CIA director in November of 63, John McCone. But people don’t know, they don’t care. So why are they, even now, even a month and a half after the executive order requiring them to release these files, whose location we know, it’s not like they have to gather all these files. We know they’re in the National Archives.

Clayton Morris [01:11:26] Yeah, and they’re all digitized by the way this idea that they’re in boxes that we need somebody to go through it It’s the same garbage with the Epstein files

Tucker [01:11:34] So what the hell is this?

Clayton Morris [01:11:35] They’re all they’re all digitized. Right. So what are you who are you protecting? Well, that’s the question who

Tucker [01:11:41] Who, is there a foreign government involved in this? Well, there’s, I know this for a fact. There is active pressure, active pressure on elected officials to stop this disclosure right now. Now, in 2025, that was 1963. And where is that coming from? You know, I don’t know, and I’m not gonna speculate on it, but there’s active pressure. And I don’t believe for a second that it’s from the CA. Who? John Ratcliffe, former Congressman John Ratcliffe, who’s now the director, he cares? I don’t think so. So does John Ratcliffe want these released, or is he being pushed around? I haven’t the faintest idea. Or is he being pushed around? And I don’t have any evidence that Ratcliffe is involved in efforts to prevent disclosure. I don’t mean to suggest that I do, but I’m just saying like, who is powerful enough to scare people into slow -walking the disclosure? And by the way, slow -walking the disclosure is the same as not providing the disclosure. Why are they slow -walking it to somehow continue to hide facts? What is the purpose? Who is, you know, what is the force? acting on the US government on the new administration to prevent disclosure. And I think it’s a totally fair question because it’s the president of the United States who got murdered. The people voted for it. This is the heart of democracy. We vote for our leader. And it was overturned. And so anyway, I think it’s very important to get to the bottom of the JFK thing.

Clayton Morris [01:13:07] and the Epstein files, and all of the other things that are being kept by the United States government without transparency to the American people. Again, the USS Liberty story, I mean, or, hey, is the United States government, we’ve been secretly funding with billions of dollars gravitic propulsion technologies because we captured UFOs. We know that we have downed craft. We have crash retreat. We have, how many whistleblowers have come out now that we’re on crash retrieval? Under oath, by the way. Under oath. crash retrieval, whistleblowers, high -ranking members of the military, by the way. These aren’t like schleps, you know? I don’t even know what that word means. I don’t even know what that word means.

Tucker [01:13:44] From the motor pool. No, no.

Clayton Morris [01:13:46] Yeah, but these are, these are people that have high, you know, classified clearances. Or they’re officers, yeah. Yeah. for their officers, yeah. who’ve been involved in crash retrieval programs. We have the technology, we’ve had it for years. Like sometimes we do this on our show and people are like, oh, there goes Clayton again, talking about UFOs. This to me is one of the biggest stories of all time. You mean, we have technology that we can travel from here to Paris instantaneously, but you can’t let us have it? You mean to tell me we do have that technology? I mean, purportedly that we have, or we figured out how to use that technology. I don’t know that we’ve been able to use it as well as they have, but we have technology that can move us at incredible speeds, that human body under normal circumstances would be ripped apart doing nine Gs, right? But with this gravitic propulsion technology, we’re protected in that way. So I don’t understand all of it, all that to say that, yes, There’s technology that we aren’t allowed to see. some defense contractors are and have had access to. And that’s the brilliance of this program, which is like break up pieces of this program and disperse it to Boeing, to Northrop Grumman, to all of these different. So you don’t get to really talk, you get working on different pieces of this project, how it all comes together, I don’t know. But we have members of the military who’ve been involved in the retrieval for the purposes of reverse engineering and studying. I noticed.

Tucker [01:15:07] that it’s all death related technology which does tell you something right no no seriously it’s not like why do you think the defense industry is so involved in it right but it’s just interesting no one is claiming I’ve never heard anybody say that the US government is hiding technology that you know might actually help you that

Clayton Morris [01:15:24] So that’s where, and they don’t talk about it, but I have talked to sources who’ve told me that they’ve witnessed firsthand this health technology being used to regrow limbs that we don’t have access to. Like basically the eradication of cancer, but limbs that were missing, regrowing human limbs using this technology. Described it as like a wand and others, but I don’t know, I’ve never seen it, but somebody has seen it. And there are people who’ve openly talked about it and who’ve, I don’t know, been quoted and reported in different books. But I’ve spoken to an individual who saw it personally, this technology. So it’s not all death -related, but I don’t know how much of it is health -related. But certainly, the ability to scan bodies, maybe eliminate cancers, maybe regrow limbs. Wouldn’t we love to know that? I would love to know that. And if they’re keeping, so maybe it’s all BS. I don’t think so. And I think if they have it, we deserve to know about it. And if our taxpayers, if taxpayers are funding these reversal technology programs and they’re keeping it quiet from us and it’s compartmentalized and we’re not allowed to see it, that to me is a travesty. You mean to tell me the biopharmaceutical, so you might be thinking, why? Why would they keep it? So the biopharmaceutical complex. which is arguably bigger than the military industrial complex in Washington, right, by volume. Why would they push COVID shots on us without trials, without actual human trials? And, oh, they tested on, oh, they tested on 11 mice? Okay, okay, just, that’s good. So let me inject myself with that. You know, that’s enough for me.

Tucker [01:17:14] 11 mice, 10 wouldn’t have been enough. That’s when the mRNA vaccines came out, I thought to myself, oh, there’s never been a successful coronavirus vaccine. You haven’t tested it. It’s a novel technology. And it could potentially change people’s genes. Right. I was first in line.

Clayton Morris [01:17:32] I want those white fibrous clots in my body.

Tucker [01:17:36] I want you to change the basic genetic makeup of me.

Clayton Morris [01:17:40] Yeah. What’s amazing is you got the shot, now you have a vagina, which is so amazing. I mean, weird things have happened. And then you also get immunity. Then your company rolls out this vaccine without any testing, but also gets legal immunity as well. And so now you can’t be sued for it. So the biopharmaceutical complex would love to basically continue to sell you medicine for the of your life. make you sick with, you know, highly processed foods. And then on the other side of it also give you, you know, statins, you know, right? So they make money like funding both sides of this stuff. So there’s a technology that will eliminate maybe potentially eliminate cancers or fix my tumor in my body with a wave of a wand. Again, I’m not saying I’ve seen it. I’m saying I’ve heard that this technology exists. wouldn’t you love to keep it under wraps? In the same way that with Nikola Tesla finding free energy, that we, you mean, oh, you mean the atmosphere I can literally pull etheric energy right out of the atmosphere and power my home? We can’t have you have access to that because you need to buy gasoline. You need to buy, you need to pay the power company. So wait a minute. I can set up my own sort of like Tesla device. Why do you think the FBI rated his, you know, his work in New York City and took all of his documents? We cannot allow you to have access to free energy or things that would eliminate cancer because somebody’s got to make money off of it. I mean, to me, it’s Occam’s razor, right? It’s the clearest definition of like why.

Tucker [01:19:21] Before I forget, where did nuclear technology come from? I’ve never heard anybody explain where it came from. It’s like, oh, Germany, the 1930s, really, what was the moment where it was discovered?

Clayton Morris [01:19:32] I don’t know the answer to that, I know that a lot of incredible technologies emerged right around that time, and there were also at that time downed UFOs, you know, at that, right around that time. So it is remarkable that we suddenly had transformers, where did the transformers come from? Where did all of these weird technology, where did the microchip suddenly come from? Silicon. Where do all of that suddenly come from? Right around the same time as reports of downed UFOs that are being reverse -engineered. What other technologies do we have access to that we don’t know about that were part of these craft? Telepathic machines that are able to connect without even using your hands? Individuals who have seen these crafts, so they’re basically able to control them with their mind? The U .S. government has access to that? Shouldn’t we know about it? Probably, you know. There are some who argue, no, we shouldn’t. We shouldn’t because it would blow our minds. We shouldn’t be allowed to see this stuff because it would alter the space -time continuum.

Tucker [01:20:43] Yeah, of course, I’m always for disclosure, of course. On the other hand, I always think of like the classic kidnapping scenario where someone is kidnapped, the kidnapper’s demanding a ransom, and so there’s a hope that the kidnapped person will return home alive as long as the ransom is paid. But in order for that to work, the person who’s been kidnapped has to remain blindfolded. He can never see the kidnapper because the second he does, the kidnapper has to kill him. there are moments where big picture, knowing too much is a huge threat. And I wonder if we’re there right now because we’re having this conversation, your show is crushing it online on YouTube and Rumble. And other people are doing shows like that and X is pretty open actually. People can pretty much say what they want. And maybe people know too much to be governed actually. once you realize. how fake a lot of the things you thought were real turn out to be, like how do you – You’re gonna pay your taxes? Well, that’s very much how I feel. Why are you paying your credit card bill? This is a total scam. I mean, it’s a complete, you know, it’s loan sharking, but they spend more on congressional campaigns than you do so they get to destroy your life. There’s a lot of stuff like that. And so like how long can our government Keep free speech and exist.

Clayton Morris [01:22:16] I mean, if they want to cover up things like the massive child sex trafficking operation in the United States or any of these big things, they’re going to go to great lengths to silence journalists who are uncovering this or clamping down on cross social media platforms or demonetizing or blocking videos when we cover certain subjects. And so they try, but I think this information is getting out there more than it ever has. It definitely is. And I love it. ever has. But to your point, then do we become ungovernable? Ungovernable, am I saying this? Am I saying – Because we can’t because we’re saying, wait, with the CIA killed JFK, the CIA and a foreign government collaborated and killed American sailors. Why would I want to join the US Navy? Like that’s what my government does. Why would I pay my taxes when the IRS is funneling $20 million to Uganda for circumcision studies or whatever? Like why would I pay my so at what point do you have a revolution? Do you have a Thomas Payne?

Tucker [01:23:18] Well, that’s exactly, that’s what I’m saying. So like, it does feel like we’re reaching, you know, for all of their silly censorship attempts, like people I know are, I don’t want to use radicalized, but they’re way more open -minded than they were five years ago and infinitely more than they were 20 years ago when one -tenth of what you just said would have given, you know, earned you a clinical diagnosis, right? You would have been by definition crazy for saying anything like what you just said. And now people are like, yeah. You know, I don’t know if that’s true, but that could be true. I just wonder like at some point if you’re going to maintain, if you believe the world is run effectively by criminal cartels with very dark anti -human motives, obviously true, then like they have way more power than we do. They have way more advanced weapons than we do. They’re clearly loosely organized across borders. And so like how long are they going to put up with this? like you and me sitting here, you know, reading X in commercial breaks. I don’t know, like, is this sustainable?

Clayton Morris [01:24:21] I have hope, I have hope, you know, I’m a glass half full kind of person I always have been, that the Trump administration You know, the difference between people, look at the first Trump administration and this Trump administration. Trump gave Zelensky javelins in his first, you know, his first Trump administration. No, it’s first in, you know, his first. And now he’s yelling at him in the Oval Office and he’s cutting off surveillance aid and other things. So I’m hopeful that things have changed, that he’s surrounded himself with the right intel people to clean house. But if there are those deep state forces, and when I say deep state, people kind of roll their eyes, but it’s just the permanent government. It’s just the people that are entrenched there for 40 years, the bureaucrats who have these interests at heart, whether it’s child sex trafficking operations for rich people in the United States or the pedophiles in Hollywood or whatever it is. You know, they have these interests and these moneyed interests to funnel money back to their spouses or whatever through these NGOs and everything else. Can the Trump administration, can these people actually clean house? So I’m hopeful. Can they get them in there? Can they actually root them out and we can actually get back to maybe a pure American government in the vein of like a Thomas Paine, which is, we don’t like government, But can we have the least amount of it as possible? And I think the American people would rally around that. I just, I feel it. I see it. I see it among people who were not even Trump supporters who’ve now become champions of what they’re doing with Doge and these other things. And they’re hopeful for the first time in a way that they’re maybe the American government they learned about in civics classes is attainable once again. growing, I never thought I’d see it be attainable once again, you know, in the era of NAFTA and everything else with under Bill Clinton and George H .W. Bush and Halliburton, all of the things that drove me crazy, you know, war in Iraq and all of that. Are we somehow getting back to what it means to the United States Constitution? That I’m hopeful about. And I think we could get there if we have the right people in power. It really does come down to that, does it?

Tucker [01:26:31] The popular will is not quite as relevant as I thought it was.

Clayton Morris [01:26:36] It’s a great point because we had the trucker convoy in Canada, which showed incredible bravery to, you know, where was the massive trucker convoy in the United States? Where were the men? You know what I mean? Like, where were the men during the Biden administration saying, we’re done with this. And you know what? Either I’m gonna put on my MAGA hat or not, it doesn’t matter. I’m gonna put on my trucker hat, it doesn’t matter. And we’re taken to the streets and we’re gonna go down to the southern border and you’re not getting across our southern border. Like there, I know there was some pieces of that. during the vitamins. But I feel like the organizing principle of the United, I feel like there’s a lack of that. And I don’t know, I worry about that popular push and for people to stand together and say enough is enough with this tyranny.

Tucker [01:27:22] It does come down to men. And yeah, I’ve been thinking a lot about my father recently and I, you know, whatever, we’re all flawed, but I just don’t, I haven’t met a man like him really in the last, I can’t remember the last time I met a man like him on the basic level. I mean, he was the kindest, most loyal father, but there were absolutely limits. Like if you were rude to his wife, for example, he’d punch you right in the face without even hesitating. Not for one, I saw it happen. on the parking lot of a movie theater is a trial. Shocking, but you know, can’t be rude to my wife. Like there are just limits, I don’t know, right? There are rules here, and one of them is you can’t attack my family. Right? There are rules here. Period! I don’t know, I loved growing up like that, because I felt like my family, I loved it. I tried to be that father and husband, but I loved it, it gave us such security. It’s like, no one fucks with Pop. He is not, he’s a loaded gun, man. You know, wonderful man, hilarious, really nice. But if there’s any threat to the family, like it’s not even gonna hesitate. He doesn’t think about the consequences. You see some of these videos.

Clayton Morris [01:28:29] videos emerge.

Tucker [01:28:29] Where are the men like that?

Clayton Morris [01:28:30] where like it says, oh, the, you know, the moment she knew that he, he wasn’t the one and there’s like a, you know, a robber comes up in the alleyway and the man like just leaves the girl there and just runs the opposite way. I’m like, holy smokes. You’re right. Like my dad, you know, he, he served, he served in Nuremberg after the war, took over an SS barracks there and ran tank drills all through, you know, Nuremberg, you know, and, but he was a tough guy, but he was, he was also the most kindest, you know, but he would not be messed with. you know, whether it was cut off in traffic or messed with, he wouldn’t put up with it. And he also wouldn’t put up with it for the treatment of his children and his family, either. And I think we need more of that.

Tucker [01:29:12] Well, I totally agree, and I just don’t, I don’t see, at least in the world that I live with, I was talking to my brother the other day, and saying when we were kids, you know, being Maine in the summertime, and boy, you could not be rude to people. Like, that just wouldn’t end well at all. I said to him, you know, I don’t remember the last time I was ever in any sense intimidated by any white man. Like there’s just no No – White man’s going to kick your ass. I’m sorry. I mean, I am a white man. I not against white men. I’m like everybody else. I like white men I’m the you know father and uncle of some but I Don’t feel any There’s no intimidation or whatever. It’s like, you know, what are they gonna do?

Clayton Morris [01:29:53] My son brings up this story. I can’t believe I’m going to share this, but the, like the stories that my son, he’s 14 now will kind of bring up or when, when daddy gets pissed and he likes it, I think as a young man, maybe you sort of, you endear to that, you know? And, uh, there was one time there, this guy road passed, road pat, we were all riding bikes as a family and this guy rode past on his motorcycle and just flew right, almost, almost hit my, uh, young daughter. and almost killed her, like flew right past her. And I flipped out and I had the baby on the back seat of my bike. Great pastor. And I was ready to just jump off and run after this motorcyclist. And my wife jokes, you’re like, what were you going to do? The baby was still in the carrier behind you, you know, on the thing. Like you’re going to fight a guy with one hand and a thing. You know the thing like you’re gonna fight And then we were in Vienna of all places, talk about compliant and it was like, we were trying to make it to this show as a family. It was freezing. And we went into this little, it was an information kiosk to help tourists. And they were, it was eight o ‘clock and it was closing at eight. And I walk in and she says, We’re closing. No, we can’t, we can’t. We cannot help you. We cannot help you. We’ve been here all day. We’ve been on. I say, my family’s freezing. We’re just trying to find this location. Can we please, you know, get to this location? Can you help us? I can’t, I’m sorry. No more help. I can’t help you at all. I said, and I just flipped out. And I, you know, maybe it was the Philadelphia in me. I just flipped out. I said, well, thanks for the F and you know. um, thanks for the the effing hospitality here in Vienna.” And I just flipped out and then she she kind of called me and said, okay, oh you’re looking for the Shakespeare Theater. Okay, well then it’s a and my son still to this day will bring that up. He’s he’s like, thanks for the effing hospitality here in Vienna. You’re in Vienna. So I don’t know, it’s just not proud of those moments.

Tucker [01:31:31] But I mean, that’s…

Clayton Morris [01:31:31] But I mean, that’s…

Tucker [01:31:33] I do think like you can extrapolate outward toward a whole country or civilization. That’s like, if the men aren’t willing to defend it, first of all, things get very jumpy and chaotic inside as people feel undefended. And it makes them crazy and very anxious. But it’s also true that you get invaded. Yeah, do we have like a nation of.

Clayton Morris [01:31:53] beta males right now?

Tucker [01:31:54] You get invaded, how could you allow 15 million illegal aliens in your country? And I always used to think this about the governor of Texas, who’s a perfectly nice guy I guess, but like he sat there for four years and let millions of people who had no right to be here at all, and in most cases, honestly, probably not any conceivable benefit to the United States, invade his country and like destroy ranches, destroy the physical environment, make it dirtier, Texas has gotten way dirtier, way dirtier Oh, yeah. in the past five years, and he never sent his National Guard to the border. And I confronted him twice in person about it, just off camera, but like, what are you doing, dude? Ooh, it’s very complicated. It’s not complicated. And you’ve confronted him on camera. I have, no, I’ve been mean. Abbott’s a perfectly nice guy. It’s a great question. I don’t think he’s worshiping Satan or anything. I like Greg Abbott, but like. It’s a great question. What is that? That’s your most basic duty.

Clayton Morris [01:32:45] You got a home invasion dude go get your gun. So that to me is even one of the obvious pieces of it Which is these people are literally you see them coming across your border. They’re taking over ranches. They’re killing people. Yes But they’ve actually set up entire communities with homes in your own in Texas in the state. Not only that huge Which used to be Walmart facilities are now shot massive child sex trafficking operations

Tucker [01:33:08] Okay, so I take it back. I don’t like Abbott because you’re right. You’re right. It’s under his watch. It’s too much evil That’s right, and you have to blame the leader. No one ever blames the leader. Yeah, like if you’re country It’s true! That’s another thing. It’s like, Russia’s better than it was 25 years ago. Can anyone say it’s not? It is. So like, okay, you could say Putin does a lot of bad things. I think that’s true. On the other hand, his country’s better. Like that counts for something. Our country’s worse. And we never hold any of our leaders accountable. It’s like, that was a massive fuck up. The Afghan withdrawal, you know, whatever. The Iraq war, the destruction of New York City, Chicago, going back to Gary and DNA and Baltimore. Like, who did that? And then they name bridges after the people who destroy the city. I can’t believe the lack of accountability. My wife would shoot me if I led my family like that. She just, she just shoot me because that’s criminal.

Clayton Morris [01:33:57] She would come in and she would just put you out of your misery.

Tucker [01:33:59] A hundred percent and I would deserve it.

Clayton Morris [01:34:01] Yeah, you’re leading our family like this. You’re done. I’m sorry I’m sorry. homeless fentanyl addicts? Yeah, I think that’s a failure. Sorry, I do. Yeah. Well, like Assad, right? I mean, Syria used to be one of the most peaceful countries in the world. But people don’t want to admit it, you know? And so, you know, and—

Tucker [01:34:17] Bad location. But we have to, yeah.

Clayton Morris [01:34:19] Like Poland and Ukraine caught between larger powers. But we need to hate Assad. We need to hate Putin. But we can’t hate our own leaders enough. And these people still get, you know, they fail up, as my wife likes to say. These people in Washington are now running, you know, these people who failed and destroyed our country are put in charge of things. It’s unbelievable to me.

Tucker [01:34:38] So now that you’ve moved back to the United States, obviously you never announced your citizenship, you always have been American with a lot of family here, but now you’re living here. And on the very beginning of this new administration, what are the things that you’re looking forward to, that you’re hopeful? What changes do you think this administration will make that will make the country better?

Clayton Morris [01:35:00] You know, I live in Colorado and I saw firsthand, you know, families texting and family groups concerns about, hey, you know, the neighbor was just broken into Venezuelan gang, just robbed this, just robbed that. I’m hoping that violent criminals are sent back to their countries. Number one. And I think I kind of fall in line with where most Americans were doing with exit pulling in what they wanted, which was. that they wanted the economy to work for the American people and they wanted their borders secure and safety. I think that’s what most families want.

Tucker [01:35:34] I wanted to wear with a run, but that’s just me. That’s not just you.

Clayton Morris [01:35:39] Oh, that’s a lot of

Tucker [01:35:41] That’s the Hudson Institute DEI!

Clayton Morris [01:35:44] I’ve become really, you know, I’m going back to, I know the word isolationist is kind of a bad thing. People throw that around. According to who?

Tucker [01:35:51] According to whom?

Clayton Morris [01:35:52] Well, a lot of neocons think it’s a bad thing and they try to sort of cover up George Washington in many ways to try to cover up his words on isolationism and, you know, in his farewell address telling America to stay out of foreign government’s businesses. And you know, I know we get this idea that sort of George Soros open society that we need to be like a global economy and we need to, you know, everything needs to be open and there doesn’t need to be. I want a world without borders. I don’t want any of that. I think in many ways, I want America to go back to what I studied and loved and fell in love with as a U .S. history major. I would sit in my bedroom as a child and read these massive -ass history books, David McCullough books, and all of this stuff, and reading about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, and I loved it. I too

Tucker [01:36:45] You know, I… The thing about isolationism is in the United States that it acknowledges reality and the reality, the physical reality is the United States is isolated. Yeah. It’s isolated from the other major civilizations in the world. Right. And that’s been a massive benefit. It’s not Liechtenstein. It’s not Hungary. It’s not Poland. It’s not Ukraine. It doesn’t have to deal with the problems that those wonderful countries are attacking them, but they have all these problems that we just don’t inherently have because of the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean. So… Yeah, geography matters. And I don’t understand. So it’s mostly rich people who are pushing this and isolationism is bad. Why don’t they pay for these wars themselves? I’ve never understood that. It’s like, attach yourself to the US government and then force its citizens to pay for like your pet war. Why doesn’t, you know, why don’t these people pay for it?

Clayton Morris [01:37:31] themselves right they could if they wanted to I’m aware they could fully fund it I mean when Bernie Sanders was out there pushing to tax you know to increase taxes for the wealthy I think it was the Cato Institute or somebody set up a website where all of these like wealthy politicians who are now millionaires Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren Nancy Pelosi they could all donate millions of dollars if they want like you want to you put the money here they could go fight the wars by

Tucker [01:37:58] I mean, I think most of these hedge fund billionaires who’ve been pushing the US government to pay for all these absurd wars and still are, they could send their billions to whatever foreign country they wanted or whatever armed group they want to support and then they can go join their ranks.

Clayton Morris [01:38:13] But they want, they just want to make the money. So the, you know, the palantirs of the world that want to, you know, make money off the backs of the technocracy in this country and make money by now, you know, setting up a biometric border wall at the southern border or, you know, using their technology, AI technology to carry out, you know, drone operations and wherever, you know, they’re going to make, they’re going to continue to make billions of dollars off of the war unless we sort of flip the paradigm. It comes back to your Christian point earlier. I hadn’t thought about in those terms, But it’s It’s deeply disturbing because if it is, you know, we want peace, I hope for this administration that they are able to get us out of all these wars. I would love for the Trump administration to take the 50 ,000 troops in Europe and put them in the United States and secure our southern border. We had over 100 years of United States forces on our southern border. This is not like a new idea.

Tucker [01:39:05] And Germany’s had a hundred years of foreign troops on its soil and no one responsible for the atrocities of the Nazi regime is still alive. And so maybe you just sort of let the Germans be a country again. I think that’s fair. I don’t think foreign troops on your soil is good for your country at all. That’s why the Germans are suicidal, which they are. And like, what is the point? How long is this gonna go on? In Japan? Well, I feel the same way about Japan. Yeah. It’s a little more complicated because of China, but I do agree with that in Korea for that matter. has not been good. for Japan or Korea. North Korea has a much higher birth rate than South Korea. What is that? I didn’t know that. Much higher, well much higher. I know the birth.

Clayton Morris [01:39:43] I know the birth gap over there is…

Tucker [01:39:45] South Korea is one of the lowest and I I’m just want to say I love South Korea and I love the people almost more than any other country just wonderful people So I’m not attacking them. I feel sorry for them, but their country’s evaporating. It’s dying Japan as well and Japan as well Another country. I absolutely love everyone who visits Japan is like this is incredible Which it is because the people are incredible right and but like having foreign troops on your swell does something to you it turns you into

Clayton Morris [01:40:11] reduces you. Well, I’ve talked to friends in Poland who’ve told me they would love for NATO to break up. They would love for the NATO bases to close in Poland, for American forces to not be on their soil anymore. You know, this idea that we need NATO as a defensive organization is a complete crock of garbage. I mean, it’s never been a defensive organization. Just look at Operation Gladio, for crying out loud. What is Operation Gladio? So the NATO terrorist armies that were left behind after World War II, Operation Gladio was only revealed in the 1990s. Documents have finally come out about it. But Operation Gladio was basically the instigation of terrorism at the hand of NATO forces. The Bologna Massacre in Italy, Belgium. I’m embarrassed. I don’t even know what you’re talking about. Well, most people don’t because it’s all hidden and they want people to believe What was the –

Tucker [01:41:06] What was the Bologna Massacre? Well using NATO forces to basically – I just want to compliment myself saying I’m so self -confident I will admit to being totally ignorant of something I should know about. That’s why I’m grateful you’re here. I just want to s – That’s why I’m grateful you’re here.

Clayton Morris [01:41:19] So what was the Bologna massacre? I don’t know, and I will admit my ignorance on the full details of it, but it took place in Bologna and NATO forces instigating violence, killing individuals in order to prevent Soviets basically from coming into Italy, the same in Belgium with attacks there and violence there against its own people. So these NATO terrorist armies were used, again, almost like false flag operations. So again, false flags work. This was in the era of like many false flags. So Operation Gladio, people can look it up. The documents were finally revealed in the 1990s. There’s a great book on it called The NATO Terrorist Armies, but it’s never been a defensive organization. And anyone who says that is being completely disingenuous. People point to Yugoslavia, that’s a big piece of it, but that’s even just a part of it. these NATO stand behind armies, these terrorist armies all across Europe were basically meant to prevent Russia or Soviet Union from gathering a foothold in certain countries by carrying out false flag operations. So, and committing terrorism, that’s exactly what they did and that’s what NATO has been. It’s never been a defensive organization.

Tucker [01:42:32] One more topic. So just big picture I have to, again, if you had said any of this five years ago, people would be like, Clayton’s a nice guy, good guy, cute kids, nice wife, but obviously he’s profoundly mentally ill. Oh, I don’t think people will think that anymore. But the one story that I have seen in the past few years that I was just like, I can’t go there. That’s just flat earth stuff is the Brigitte Macron. I may know Macron, President of France’s wife. Um, was accused first by French journalists and then by my friend Candace Owens, who was one of the nicest people I’ve ever met, actually. Um, and very smart. She’s incredible. Is she, you know, she, and everyone’s always Candace Owens, a hater. Candace Owens is the opposite of a hater, but she’s a very kind person. But anyway, but she comes out and she’s like, I will wager my professional credibility on the claim that McCrone’s wife is actually a man. And I was like, I was like, ah, Candace Owens, I love you, but I think this is too crazy. Yeah. And then it turns out, she’s right! What is, so can you just explain? My mind is blown! Yes

Clayton Morris [01:43:48] Well, my wife has been, by the way, the Candace Owens pieces on this are phenomenal. And so I’ll be sitting there and my wife, I’m like, what are you watching? She’s like, I’m watching Candace Owens as whole deep dive on this. So let’s give credit, you know, I’m given full credit to Candace Owens on this for really opening the story up from the French journalists who first broke it and then were, I think like ostracized or basically told not to report it. So that, yeah, I mean, she’s a, he’s a groomer. So like I mean The fact that Emmanuel Macron was a child and this man takes him under his wing and is a groomer uses the identity of another human being. I mean, I’m definitely shortening the story in all of these ways, but I don’t know the full details the way that Candice does for sure. Brigitte Macron is a man who groomed Emmanuel Macron and in their, I mean, the amazing thing to me is the French portrait that they have, you know, the presidential portrait or whatever. In the background, you can see like a pedophile book that’s painted in on purpose. Like you can’t make this stuff up. What? The official like French portrait painting, there’s in the background of it, you can see like a basically a pedophile book that’s been painted in on purpose. And other paintings that Brigitte Macron was famous for having around in the in the palace all these really awful looking things That you know, you’ve got pictures of a barn here like the stuff that Brigitte likes to hang around. It’s like Like the stuff It’s like pedophilia stuff on the walls, so it’s incredibly crazy.

Tucker [01:45:29] with pedophilia. I mean, pedophilia is one of those things that it’s like, it’s so, and I can relate to almost any sin, but I just want to be clear. I’m not being holier than thou. I mean, there’s, I’ve done bad things. I have had, you know, bad impulses. I can kind of understand why people get pissed and shoot each other or steal or, you know, I don’t, but I get it. Road rage, yeah. Completely, you know, there, but for the grace of God, that’s how I sometimes feel. Penophilia? Like that’s something that I can honestly say with a clean conscience never even occurred to me. That’s like so.

Clayton Morris [01:46:03] Yeah, I can say it too. What is that? It’s and to me and what’s what’s it’s on its on its surface is it’s absolutely terrible. But then when you go even a layer deeper when there’s a whole mechanism protecting these people who are all actively involved in Hollywood, in Washington DC, funneling, I mean, again. Not to go back to it, but it’s all part of this operation with these elites who, when you have these children, for instance, in Guatemala, the, what is it? 197 ,000 Guatemalan children that were funneled into the United States and were then funneled to be used in the sex trade in the United States. The United States is the largest purveyor of child sex trafficking in the world. and we bring more children into the United States and are used for sex slavery than any country in the world. When Trump was asked, where are these children, these 300, 400 ,000 children, and Trump said, I think they’re dead. Trump was honest about it. They are, they’re used and abused and thrown away. And so when you have people like Brigitte Macron who are like groomers of children, it makes sense that they would be protected and these elite circles. It’s incredibly disgusting.

Tucker [01:47:16] I never thought I would get to a place where I would like not as somebody said our elites are trafficking children for pedophilia But actually once you see what’s going on it makes sense because what is pedophilia? It’s a spiritual. It’s not I Do think that it’s more than just a set a diseased sexual impulse though. It’s clearly that yeah But it’s the desire to defile purity. Yeah, I think that’s what it is Yeah, I think the appeal is you take a child who is physically untouched, not corrupted by adult desire, and you destroy that, and that’s the charge. And that’s just, that’s a spiritual thing, that’s like child sacrifice, which is ubiquitous.

Clayton Morris [01:48:01] And by the way, it’s still happening. I mean, it’s a – And by the way, it’s still happening. I mean, it’s. It’s just, to me, it’s just part of the same thing. The, you know, the child sex trafficking and then they’re killing off of the children, you know? And I mean, I’ve, again, I’ve spoken to sources who’ve witnessed it firsthand, who actually used to be a part of it and didn’t know they were a part of it, out of Texas and flying these children from these facilities in Texas and Abbott’s backyard to different parts of the country. Oh, what about the, so you’re flying them to where? Oh, we don’t really know. they say that they’re No, but it’s just wealthy people’s homes. And do you check up on them? We’re supposed to do a wellness check, but we don’t really do that. And if we do, it’s just like a phone call and if they don’t even answer their phone, that’s considered the wellness check on the child. So the NGOs responsible for facilitating the death and sex trafficking of these children across the United States into rich homes in Miami, rich homes in, you know, in Orlando. Rich homes in Tennessee, rich homes in Washington D .C. Are you the father of that? No, no, no relation whatsoever to these children. when we hear the liberals crying about, you’re separating children from their families at the border. Those aren’t the fathers. They bring these children across the border. They’ve got like a name tag stuck on them. That’s not the father. You mean the child that he’s holding that’s drugged? You mean the coyote that’s holding that child? That child is drugged? And you can’t even ask the child, what’s your father’s name? Because that person was brought all the way up from Guatemala three weeks ago. And it’s been drugged the entire time, can’t speak and is slurring the words. Like this is happening in the United States and the United States is facilitating it. It’s without a doubt, it’s facilitating it. And these NGOs had been receiving lots of money from USAID and others. And it’s been happening right under the nose of the Biden administration and under Alejandro Mayorkas who facilitated all of it and allowed it to happen. And when was confronted about it, told us that our borders were secure. Really? OK. hundreds of thousands of children that’s just gone missing in the United States. And I get so frustrated because people compartmentalize this story. Like they’re happy to talk about Doge, which is great. They’re happy to talk about other things. But I would love to see like the President of the United States or JD Vance like get up during the State of the Union and say, we’ve uncovered something really dark and we’re going to put an end to it. And this is what we’ve uncovered. We can’t even get the Epstein tapes. Yeah. And that’s the files, but they’re videotapes.

Tucker [01:50:35] And where are they?

Clayton Morris [01:50:38] terabytes of videos from Epstein’s home in New York and his island.

Tucker [01:50:43] Yes, in his ranch in New Mexico.

Clayton Morris [01:50:43] in his ranch in New Mexico. So, and I know from talking to FBI agents that in fact those, or former FBI, that those, a lot of that would have been housed on separate servers. So when we heard stories about things being destroyed over the past few weeks, that those servers which weren’t tied to the internet were individual servers that had terabytes of video data on it. Was that what was being destroyed? Who ordered that? Who ordered the destruction of those hard drives, those servers?

Tucker [01:51:12] Probably the same people who got into the most secure wing of a secure federal detention facility in Manhattan and murdered the guy. Right. As the guard slept. So probably those people. Probably, yeah. Because anybody who could do that. Probably again. I can’t even guess as to who it was, but has a lot of power. That’s actual power. You can murder someone in his cell in a federal detention facility. Oh yeah. You have power. And taking over.

Clayton Morris [01:51:35] over electric cars, driving people into trees. There’s sources I’ve spoken to who’ve really gone to great lengths to shed light on the massive child sex trafficking operation and who’ve had their lives in many ways destroyed, threatened, run off the street in electric cars. So they don’t even drive cars anymore, just ride bikes. These people are evil. These people are really, really evil. Does it ever worry you? It does, but then when I’ve got, you know, take my kids to multiple dance classes and swim meets and swimming and, you know, then you just kind of, I don’t know, you just, I don’t really think about it. That’s the spirit. You know, I don’t dwell on it. I guess, you know, maybe I would never, I’d never leave the house again, but here I am, you know, because… I don’t think about it. I definitely thought about it more in Europe, to be honest with you, because as journalists in Europe, when we were speaking out against the war in Ukraine, I mean, we saw the persecution of journalists first hand. I’ve had friends, incredible journalists like Kavork Almasian in Germany, who, you know, Syrian journalist, I’ve had in other journalists in Germany and the UK. I can think of I can I can count them on more than one hand who received nasty grams from the government that they were going to be prosecuted for basically their views on Ukraine. Like, what? What is that? What is that about? Or stopped at the airport and detained for hours at a time. So I was more worried about it then. In the United States, I believe we have those fundamental freedoms and the freedom of speech. And so I kind of hang my head on that at the end of the day, even though I feel like those have been eroded tremendously. But it gives me hope in that way. And I’ve gotten calls from journalists who say, where should I move? Where should I move? I said, can you move to the United States? At least there, like when I was in Europe, I couldn’t use, I couldn’t access certain websites. They would block certain websites, news websites to get information. In Portugal? In Portugal. to get information. But this was EU wide, so it wasn’t just Portugal, but it was, you know, so, oh, I wanna get information about what’s happening in Ukraine. Sorry, you can’t do that. It’s not allowed based on local laws. Actually, so I would have to use virtual private networks to go around it, to be able to, I would log in to Switzerland or Iceland, but Iceland, you know, EU adjacent. So mostly United States. I’d be able to log in via a VPN in the United States to get access to news. So when I hear all these people complaining about freedoms and they’re like, I’m gonna move to Europe to get a, you know, Trump tyranny. People have called and wanted to know, like, hey, you know, I don’t like what’s going on in America right now, so I’m thinking about going to Europe. You’ve lived in Europe. Like, what do you think?

Clayton Morris [01:54:33] I love that conversation because I say, what are you hoping to avoid freedom? What do you want by going to Europe? Are you hoping to have more regulation, to fill out more paperwork, to be more censored? What is your goal? What do you think Trump is going to do to you here? He’s going to take away your ability to access news websites? No, no, no. You want to go to Europe for that. What is Trump going to do? He’s going to close the border. What exactly are you upset about? And so I never, you know, you really get a straight answer about it. But I, it’s not like the climate, I feel less safe from who? Like a guy in a MAGA hat is going to walk down the street and now he’s going to attack your daughter. Like that’s, you heard all of that in the wake of the inauguration, right? There’s people going to start volunteering at like domestic abuse centers because they’re worried their MAGA husbands are now going to beat their wives. Like really? Domestic abuse skyrocketed under Biden. Where were you then?

Tucker [01:55:30] Well, and it’s the beta liberal husband who beats up his wife. Yes. Because he hates himself.

Clayton Morris [01:55:37] Yeah, it’s not a mega, it’s not a Trump supporter is going to be.

Tucker [01:55:39] No, no, no, no, if someone hates themselves, he’ll definitely hate you. Yeah. It’s a problem with the Germans. I mean, they’re total, they’re haters because they hate themselves, you know, so they. They’ll allow you to blow up their pipeline. Spank me harder, govern me harder! self -loathing thing. I totally agree. In fact, I was flying back for the Middle East the other night with a German guy sitting next to me. He was pounding the wine, very nice guy actually. But I did say, he was talking about Trump is bad or whatever I said, but you let Joe Biden blow up your main energy source, kind of a bitch move, no? And he goes, oh, Putin’s bad. I was like, okay, fine. Kind of a non sequitur though. They just blew up your natural gas pipeline. And he’s like, Putin bad, I thought. This is a 17 -hour flight, I’m not gonna fight with a gun. Yeah.

Clayton Morris [01:56:23] And also, well, that speaks volumes about how their most recent election went then, of course, too. Right? Because if you have people that they’re brainwashed into believing that and deluded, it’s fine that Biden blew up our pipeline and now our energy infrastructure has collapsed and our previous Chancellor shut down our nuclear power plants and all of our manufacturing is drying up, but Putin bad. No, no, you did that to yourselves. You did that to yourselves in the Bundestag. Yeah, I know, it’s been a –

Tucker [01:56:55] Clayton Morris, it is just wonderful to see you, to have an on -camera reunion after all these years.

Clayton Morris [01:57:00] Oh, it’s been my great-

Tucker [01:57:01] Great pleasure and great honor to see you again. Well, it has been wonderful, and I’m just thrilled by everything you said and by what you’re doing. And once again, I think you’ve got one of the greatest life stories of anyone I know. So I hope you write it.

Clayton Morris [01:57:15] I don’t know if anyone would read it, but can I say this, and don’t cut this off because I know you don’t like people praising you, but you have been a beacon of hope for so many of us in the independent media world. The only voice at the time who was still on network television and who was speaking out against war, speaking out against trying to attack and kill people in Iran, trying to go to war against Russia, I know you lost that job probably because of that, but just… Any evidence suggests so. But I just, all that to say, you have been a beacon of light for many of us. And I truly, truly mean that for people who are maybe thinking about, you’ve inspired, I think, a lot of people who are thinking about maybe getting into journalism for the first time. And if they would ever ask me, who would you hold up to look at as someone who you would like to admire in journalism or who I should study and look up to. You know, it wouldn’t be Ann Applebaum. It would be, it would be Tucker Carlson. Thank you. And thank you. People should study your work.

Tucker [01:58:22] But I don’t have the credentials that Ann Applebaum does and is a genius. You know, I do look at her and I say, man, you are smart, I must say. Thank you. Great to see you.

ZeroHedge: Business Leaders Call For 8 Million Migrants To Replace Dead Ukrainians

March 18, 2025/6 Comments/in General/by Kevin MacDonald

Turning Ukraine into a non-European nation overwhelmed with African migrants was always the preferred outcome for neocons and other Western globalists. That’s the main reason I opposed making Ukraine part of NATO and the EU. And of course LGBTQ+ will also be a big part of the agenda.

Business Leaders Call For 8 Million Migrants To Replace Dead Ukrainians

Business leaders are calling for as many as eight million non-Western migrants to be transplanted to Ukraine to mitigate the “demographic crisis” created by its three-year war with Russia.

The news vindicates warnings from Raheem Kassam, Editor-in-Chief of The National Pulse, that the conflict would be used as an excuse to transform the country.

All-Ukrainian Association of Companies for International Employment chief Vasily Voskoboinik appeared on state television in February to push for mass migration, saying, “According to estimates by the International Organization for Migration”—a United Nations agency that preaches about immigration being “inevitable, desirable, and necessary”—” and the International Labour Organization, we will need 8.2 million workers.”

“We have a demographic catastrophe. Either we encourage our women to have more children, which would take 18–20 years to reflect in the labor market, or we must realistically seek labor migration from other countries,” Voskoboinik. He seeks to source the migrants from non-Western states and regions such as Bangladesh, Nepal, India, North Africa, and Central Asia—despite various studies showing that non-Western migrants are a massive net drain on the public finances in other European countries.

‘THE FIRST AFRICAN NATION IN EUROPE.’

Raheem Kassam warned that such a course would be pursued as long ago as May 2024, telling War Room host Stephen K. Bannon, “[C]learly, the plan isn’t to keep young Ukrainian men alive to rebuild the nation after all this is done… So, who do you think they intend to import into Ukraine to rebuild the country? If I can put it so bluntly, Ukraine will be the first African nation in Europe in 10 to 15 years’ time.”

“They’ve got a base for mass migration like you’ve never seen before, and they’ve got a ‘moral imperative’ for it as well: ‘We have to rebuild! Of course! We need all these people! Bring ’em in, they’re academics and doctors and so forth,’” Kassam predicted.

Migrants would account for around 17.5 percent of the Ukrainian population if 8.2 million were imported.