Ancient Sparta: The First Self-Conscious Ethnostate? Part 1: Educating Citizen Soldiers

If in Athens we have ethnopolitical aspects, insofar as the democracy was tempered by Hellenic virtue, in Sparta we have a State wholly dedicated to systematic organization of the society according to a biopolitical ideal. Sparta’s mixed system of government and fiercely communitarian and hierarchical customs were supposed to have been created by the semi-legendary lawgiver Lycurgus, who perhaps lived in the ninth century B.C. Virtually nothing can be said for certain about his life. Lycurgus was, in later ages, rumored to have traveled to Egypt, Ionia, Crete, and even India, where “he talked with the Gymnosophists,”[1] before establishing Sparta’s constitution. What is clear, in any case, is that the basic law and way of life attributed to Lycurgus, and credited for Sparta’s success, were emphatically biopolitical.

Spartan law and culture were obsessed with systematically ensuring good breeding, martial education, and group unity. Spartan ethics and law considered that what was good was whatever was good for the community. During a debate as to whether a commander had abused his authority, the Spartan king Agesilaus argued: “The point to be examined . . . is simply this: has this action been good or bad for Sparta?”[2] Kevin MacDonald has argued that the law instituted by Lycurgus – featuring in-group altruism, relative egalitarianism, separation from and unity in the face of out-groups, specialization in warfare, and communally-determined in-group eugenics – qualifies as a genuine “altruistic group evolutionary strategy.”[3]

Few forms of government have so drawn the admiration of both liberals and ‘totalitarians’ as that of Sparta. Many republicans, both ancient and modern, have been impressed by the Spartans’ ‘mixed’ system of government, with its combination of monarchic, aristocratic, and democratic elements, as conducive to social unity, stability, and the rule of law. The Founding Fathers of the United States sought to emulate the stability of Sparta’s constitution and saw in it a precursor to their own system of checks and balances. Thinkers of a more communitarian bent, such as Rousseau and Hitler, have for their part admired the city for its rigorous organization in service of the community.

The Spartan citizen body was made up of landowning males past the age of 30 who had completed their arduous military training and education. These Spartiates, known as Homoioi (roughly meaning ‘Equals’ or ‘Peers’) made up an uncertain, but no doubt small, percentage of the country’s population. The Helots, Sparta’s large population of agricultural serfs, provided the citizens with the leisure to specialize in military training. These slaves were fellow Greek-speakers although, as non-Dorian Achaeans, there was a certain degree of ethnic difference from the Spartiates. So-called ‘Peripherals’ (perioikoi), foreign residents engaging in various skilled crafts at the service of the Spartans, appear to have regularly accumulated around the Spartan State.

Sparta was presided over by two relatively-weak kings, from two distinct royal families, who served as priests, generals, and occasionally judges. The Ephors, five powerful magistrates elected by all citizens for a non-renewable one-year term, were responsible for implementing decrees and had judicial powers to supervise and prosecute others, including the kings. The most powerful body was the Gerousia, a council made up of the two kings and 28 elders over the age of 60, who were elected for life. The Gerousia set the political agenda, debated issues, and presented the decisions open to the Assembly. The Assembly of Spartan citizens did not propose legislation but could only decide on whatever was presented by the Gerousia. Through these institutions, the Spartan regime sought to reconcile the values of authority, stability, law, aristocracy, seniority, and community. When asked why he did not institute a democracy, Lycurgus is supposed to have answered: “Make your own household a democracy first.”[4]

Spartan society was systematically organized by the regime to achieve social unity and martial prowess. Practically, among the elite Spartiate body of citizens, this meant the encouragement of births, the communal education of children according to an austere and militaristic way of life and living perpetually together through common meals and training. Failure to live up to the city’s demanding standards was harshly punished. Citizenship was not an automatic right, but had to be earned, by passing one’s educational training and paying one’s duties to the mess hall. According to Xenophon, Lycurgus “gave an equal share in the state to all law-abiding citizens, without regard for physical or financial deficiencies. But Lycurgus made it clear that if anyone should shirk the effort required to keep his laws, then he would no longer be considered one of the Equals.”[5]

Following such customs was in Sparta a sacred duty. Not only were Sparta’s institutions and customs attributed to the wise Lycurgus, but these were said to have been approved by Apollo himself. This was significant as the Spartans appear to have been exceptionally pious, regularly engaging in common rituals and sacrifices. Herodotus says that for the Spartans “divine matters took precedence over human ones” (Herodotus, 5.63). Once again, we find religious piety being central to the foundations of custom and the enforcement of group norms. Xenophon also highlights the importance of Spartan religious practice in warfare, saying of their meticulous rituals while on campaign: “if you witnessed this you would think that militarily others are amateurs, whereas Spartans alone are real masters of the craft of war.”[6] Both Xenophon and Plutarch believed that the joint and pious fulfillment of ritual inspires confidence in men before battle.[7]

Spartan politics began with the rearing of children and their education in the martial and communitarian values of their society. Lycurgus is said to have “regarded the upbringing of children as the greatest and noblest responsibility of the legislator.”[8] Young men and women performed sporting events in the nude, so as to encourage both physical fitness and marriages. Lycurgus was emphatic that there was a civic duty to ensure that the next generation of citizens be not only be produced but be the healthiest and best possible. Plutarch reports this while drawing a direct analogy with heredity in animals:

First and foremost Lycurgus considered children to belong not privately to their fathers, but jointly to the city, so that he wanted citizens produced not from random partners, but from the best. Moreover he observed a good deal of stupidity and humbug in others’ rules on these matters. Such people have their bitches and mares mounted by the finest dogs and stallions whose owners they can prevail upon for a favor or fee. But their wives they lock up and guard, claiming the right to produce their children exclusively, though they may be imbeciles, or past their prime, or diseased. They forget that where children are born of poor stock, the first to suffer from their poor condition are those who possess and rear them, while the same applies conversely to the good qualities of those from sound stock.[9]

Past a certain age, single men were severely stigmatized. Lycurgus also believed that “the production of children was the most important duty of free women,” thereby making a fundamental contribution to the society which sustained their freedom.[10] Spartan women were not sedentary and trapped in the family home, as most Greek women were. As their husbands were training constantly away from home, Spartan women were unusual in managing their own households, often becoming wealthy in their own right. These women were discouraged from overeating and encouraged to participate in sports such as wrestling and javelin-throwing on health grounds:

Thereby their children in embryo would make a strong start in strong bodies and would develop better, while the women themselves would also bear their pregnancies with vigor and would meet the challenge of a childbirth in a successful, relaxed way.[11]

It was apparently considered shameful for men to be seen with their wives at Sparta, resulting in sex occurring irregularly while the sex drive remained strong. There was another primitive eugenic rationale behind these measures: young, healthy, active, lustful parents were believed to produce healthier and stronger children. “Puny and deformed” newborns were to thrown into an abyss (or, perhaps more likely, killed through exposure) “considering it better both for itself and the state that the child should die if right from its birth it was poorly endowed for health or strength.”[12]

Lycurgus is supposed to have banned dowries and make-up: “So that none should be left unmarried because of poverty nor any pursued for their wealth, but that each man should study the girl’s character and make his choice on the basis of her good qualities.”[13] His concern with biological quality was so extreme he apparently even allowed for a bizarre official practice of ‘eugenic cuckoldry’ whereby an elderly husband could have children by introducing his wife to “any man whose physique and personality he admired.”[14] Conversely a wifeless man could, if “eager to have remarkable children,” have them “by any fertile and well-bred woman who came to his attention, subject to her husband’s consent.” Plutarch claims that by this measure the Spartans succeeded in “planting in fruitful soil, so to speak, and producing fine children who would be linked to fine ancestors by blood and family.”[15] These measures—so foreign to the contemporary mores of the West—were eugenic and natalist in their objectives. They also emphasize Spartans’ supreme subjection of their personal and familial interests to the public good, ideally up to and including access to their wives! Xenophon, an eyewitness source, claims that by these methods, Sparta gained “men whose size and strength are . . . superior.”[16]

There was an enormous emphasis in Sparta, as in no other Greek city, on the truly systematic education and training of the citizens in order to shape a culture conducive to the public good. Spartan education was communal and austere. The children were taken from their families at age seven and would not complete their training until they were 29. At that point, if the young man had succeeded in this agoge training, he would be made a full citizen. Whereas wealthy Athenians might have a private slave tutor for their children, Spartan children had a single Trainer-in-Chief (a paidomus, literally a “boy-herdsman”) and any citizen could discipline them.

Young Spartans would go barefoot, have a single cloak to wear all year in hot or cold, and would be given a limited amount of food, measures all aimed at making them tougher. Youths were expected to steal from or even murder Helots. The Spartans in general appear to have treated their Helots with extreme cruelty, from humiliation through making them drunk to regular ritualized murder—evidently aimed at keeping this class firmly separate and subservient. Plutarch himself concedes that “there is nothing to match either the freedom of the free man at Sparta or the slavery of the slave.”[17] Montesquieu later would sum up the conflicted feelings of many classical liberals concerning Sparta, saying: “Lycurgus, combining larceny with the spirit of justice, the harshest slavery with extreme liberty, the most atrocious sentiments with the greatest moderation, gave stability to his city.”[18]

We must imagine Sparta as an ordered, hierarchical, and pious state characterized by constant ritual and training, a cross between a military-athletic camp and a monastery. Plutarch says:

Spartiates’ training extended into adulthood, for no one was permitted to live as he pleased. Instead, just as in a camp, so in the city, they followed a prescribed lifestyle and devoted themselves to communal concerns. They viewed themselves absolutely as part of their country, rather than as individuals, and so unless assigned a particular job they would always be observing the boys and giving them useful piece of instruction, or learning themselves from their elders.[19]

Concerning adolescents, Lycurgus “gave orders that even in the streets they should keep both hands inside their cloaks, should proceed in silence, and should not let their gaze wander in any direction, but fix their eyes on the ground before them.”[20] Young adults were encouraged to be competitive in music, sports, and “manly gallantry.”[21] According to Xenophon, this education succeeded: “The result has been that respect and obedience in combination are found to a high degree at Sparta . . . [the system] turns out men who are more disciplined, more respectful, and (when required) more self-controlled.”[22] By his laws, Lycurgus was said to have “done away with prudery, sheltered upbringing, and effeminacy of any kind.”[23]

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[1]     Literally “naked wise men,” which is what the Greeks called the Hindu and perhaps Buddhist ascetics they found in India. Plutarch, Life of Lycurgus, 4.

[2]     Xenophon, Hellenica, 5.2.32

[3]     Kevin MacDonald, A People That Shall Dwell Alone: Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy, with Diaspora Peoples (Lincoln, Nebraska: Writers Club, 2002), pp. 8-35, 394-95. Editor’s note: I first got the group strategy idea by writing a chapter on the Spartans for my 1988 book, Social and Personality Development: An Evolutionary Synthesis. 

[4]     Plutarch, Lycurgus, 19.

[5]     Xenophon, Spartan Constitution, 10.

[6]     Xenophon, Constitution, 13.

[7]      The later Greco-Roman writer Polybius went so far as to argue that Rome’s extreme religiosity was what made her constitution “so markedly superior” to other states (Polybius, 6.56). See Guillaume Durocher, “Religious Piety in Sparta & Rome,”, January 18, 2018.

[8]     Plutarch, Lycurgus, 14.

[9]     Ibid., 15.

[10]   Xenophon, Constitution, 1.

[11]   Plutarch, Lycurgus, 14.

[12]   Ibid., 16.

[13]   Plutarch, Sayings of the Spartans, “Lycurgus,” 15.

[14]   Xenophon, Constitution, 1.

[15]   Plutarch, Lycurgus, 15.

[16]   Xenophon, Constitution, 1.

[17]   Plutarch, Lycurgus, 28.

[18]   Montesquieu, The Spirit of the Laws, 4.6.

[19]   Plutarch, Lycurgus, 24.

[20]   Xenophon, Constitution, 3.

[21]   Ibid., 4.

[22]   Ibid., 2.

[23]   Plutarch, Lycurgus, 14.

12 replies
  1. Poupon Marx
    Poupon Marx says:

    Mr. Durocher, a most interesting article, solidly researched and presented in a succinct manner. I have an added interest, as my Mother’s family comes from the middle of the Peloponnese.

    Most people, myself included, find much to admire and adopt, while there is much to be avoided. The analogy I would cite is the Japanese specialty fish, the Fugu, commonly know as the Pufferfish. Only a portion of the fish is available for consumption; and it is prized as a delicacy. The other parts of the fish are not only unpalatable, BUT EXTREMELY POISONOUS, BEYOND TOXIC.

    Mr. Durocher, you were wise and prescient enough to write an article on Buddhism and its partial adoption by the Greeks. As a Buddhist, myself, I believe (I don’t know if you share my commitment) that the principles and teachings of Siddhartha Gautama are the best template for breaking with past patterns, organizations, and institutions of repetitive and constant failure.

    The present “diseases” of Modern Man, the psychotic and surreal social, economic, psychological, spiritual doctrines, canons, and assumptions and adoptions of ideals, ideas are simply used because they are part of “Western Civilization”. This static, presumptive, and uncritical application will result in annihilation of the Western Indo-European. Ineffective ideas produce ineffective actions, or lack and omission.

    Anybody who has performed and had responsibility in a world of action, concrete and empirical endeavors will know the immediate consequences of wrong decisions and implementation. Building machines, electric/electronic devices, maintaining, etc. of same designed for work or production where irrelevant and useless actions are applied, due to faulty and incorrect thinking, will result in FAILURE. These are CASUALTIES where breakdown, temporary or permanent will occur.

    Our actions in the West are ineffective, inefficient, and increasingly irrelevant to understand and address counter measures against those forces and IDEAS that are similar to boutique viruses, parasites, and other eventual fatal pathogens that infect the Corpus of the Western World.

    It is more than past time to consider new, other approaches, foundations, ideas and ideals for our salvation and resurgence.

    Thank you, Sir, for your seminal contributions now and in future.

    • Guillaume Durocher
      Guillaume Durocher says:

      Hello Marx, thank you for your thoughtful comment. I agree modern Western civilization is very sick. We will need some kind of spiritual renewal – at the very least among en elite – to redress things.

      • Charles Frey
        Charles Frey says:

        A greater banality and platitude I have never heard.

        Our ‘ elite ‘ is intellectual and couldn’t lead a single platoon; much less engage in the protracted and vicious Berlin street battles of the late Weimar period, or consolidate its wins subsequently.

        Where are the 800,000 corpses of hunger, particularly the defenseless women and children, as tallied by a RN White Paper ? Where the territorial losses, the reparations, inflation, the commercial repression the well-aimed personal and national humiliation, and vast unemployment ?

        Where is a charismatic, intellectually effective leader, well
        beyond the salute, hair-cut and bravado ? And with a will to power ?

        Quite to the contrary, we have an overwhelming capacity of state violence; with some of the police trained in Israel. And who will count on the Armed Forces, when even their American Legion refused a booth to the USS Liberty group, at their national convention: unquestionably in response to
        [[[ pressure ]]] from those underrepresented at Arlington ?

        At the critical time in 33, the Reich dominated the media. Now the extreme opposite holds true. Hitler erected his far-reaching Funkturm or radio-transmission tower near the Olympic Stadium.

        Now the ADL, nestled in the lap of Google and Facebook, in Silicon Valley, with its new, super-capacity cyberspace control center, announces its intent to monitor all traffic and to disrupt any it considers hateful.

        In other words, Paul Revere without a horse. Hitchhiking !

        Blather, disconnected from reality, is even more harmful than naysaying. A banker-pleasing, national-debt-increasing American involvement in the upcoming war against Iran is more certain than the very premature likelihood of a domestic renewal: fantasies notwithstanding. Including the below link !

        • Pierre de Craon
          Pierre de Craon says:

          Seconded, save that I think that Charles has given too dyspeptic a cast to the word intellectual in applying it to “our” elite.

          Those in today’s elite and in tomorrow’s would-be elite are describable by and large as devious, conniving, adept at self-advancement, and possessed of ample stocks of self-esteem, avarice, and envy of their betters.* But are even a few inclined to reflection, deep consideration, and frequent examination of conscience with regard to the relation of principles to actions and attitudes? Ah, if only, if only …

          Where is a charismatic, intellectually effective leader, well beyond the salute, haircut and bravado ? And with a will to power?

          This, of course, is the money quote. Its arc subtends a problem in Western political science at least as old as Plato’s unsuccessful attempt to aid in the governance of Sicily through wise counsel. A ruler who can govern his desire for power is not a familiar figure in either Western or world history.** Indeed, therein lies the reason that people recall the names Cincinnatus and Louis IX with a sigh: there have been damn few like them.
          *Note that I speak here of good guys—people with at least some sympathy for or solidarity with white concerns.
          **There were very brief periods when I vainly hoped that Pat Buchanan, Harry Browne, and Ron Paul might fill the bill. Fat chance times three, alas.

          • Poupon Marx
            Poupon Marx says:

            I have intimated that, in the spirit of my 9th grade English teacher, Mrs. Ritchie, that frothy, superfluous parts of speech, linguistically, are the signs of plumage, decoration, and chimera. There is content and there is style. If one is to convey meaning and cognitive conveyance, then content is king, style is a footman. Overage in style connotes avoiding meaningful, useful, pragmatic content.

            Many people are fooled by attire, beads and baubles. An example would be the following as a parallel:

            Note that this clothing appeals to the emotions of disconnected feelings with non-interstitial thoughts related to pesky and bothersome REALITY. A good example of clear and meaning-laden prose is that of Prof. Dkr. McDonald. He writes with economy, piercing weighty words and syntax. The reader feels as if he is respected by not having to tolerate decorative verbiage and fu fu indulgences.

            Et dixit parum loqui.

        • Poupon Marx
          Poupon Marx says:

          Mister Frey, I hope my response aids in addressing the percolatation of your dilemma and sense of hopelessness to a context and perspective. First off, your interestink comment prompts a question. Is this a variant of “Know ye that enter this area that all hope is naught”, or “This is the Borg; resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. Or, in the common vernacular, We is totally F****d!!

          Your next comment, logically and syllogistically would be the method of hara kiri. Bleeding out, hanging, poison, Hemingway, etc. ? Suicide is dangerous and brings on many changes.

          But, I’ve got a better idea, one that springs from experience, the Real and Actual World. One is the island nation of Singapore, which agitated so much that the Malaysian Federation kicked them out. There they were, naked in the cold, harsh world of no money and a dependent economy. But they had one great asset. Lee Kwan Yew, who could see and navigate through the impossible barriers and tides against him and his tiny nation.
          Two, the former country of Czechoslovakia, which became The Czech Republic and Slovakia. Three, the breakup of Yugoslavia into republics that held similar ethnics, languages, history, etc. Four, the breakup of the old Soviet Union into similar autonomous countries. All these happened in the last 100 years. Separation and secession are always an option.

          Now, you may find it an addition to your knowledge to read some of my earlier comments where I have stated emphatically that the only way out of a continuous downward spiral for the Western Indo-European is a complete sequestration from the Blacks, Browns (i.e., mestizos, mulattos), Jews. From the American Renaissance article:

          “Is this the way our world ends?

          Africa has become an unprecedented biological, environmental, and socio-political experiment: It is the scene of the biggest population explosion the world has ever seen. According to authoritative figures published by UNICEF in 2014, the number of Africans will grow from 1.033 billion in 2013 to a mammoth 4.2 billion in 2100. In the next 35 years alone, two billion African babies will be born. By 2100, half of all children on earth will be African. These are not simply straight-line projections of present trends, but the best estimates based on current data and historical precedents. This population explosion has huge implications not only for Africa but for the entire world.
          In the terse language of the UNICEF demographers we learn that:
          The future of humanity is increasingly African. More than half the projected 2.2 billion rise in the world population in 2015-2050 is expected to take place in Africa, even though the continent’s population growth rate will slow. On current trends, within 35 years, 1 in every 4 people will be African, rising to 4 in 10 people by the end of the century. Back in 1950, only 9 among 100 of the world’s number of inhabitants were African.”

          This is but ONE of the tsunamis that threaten to literally dissolve us. Whites in South Africa have their heads in a guillotine, and we are not far behind. These Blacks and Browns are appendages and garden plants of the Jews, like vegetables whose seeds were developed, planted, and nourished up to the moment. Most sickening of all, is the vast extent of traitorous, opportunistic Whites who enthusiastically wage total war on their own race. In this regard, Whites are unique in masochism, self-emulation, and demographic suicide. Our culture, including our variants in religion has holes and weakness within the firmament. These can only by redressed and taken on directly away from any and other milieus, cultures, societies that are not driven and controlled by us. Replacement of vital components and systems in power plants can only be established and completed when the plant is off line and off the grid, or in the case of marine plants, power is supplied by an external source. We require all of our energies to “cull the herd and restore the quality of the stock”. This means selective breeding and eugenics-practiced morally and scientifically. Our best, brightest, and bravest have been largely taken out of the gene pool through decades of stupid wasted wars, plagues, and sacrifices of the many by the few. We are in perilous genetic shallow pool.

          This is my perspective from 70 years, a lifetime of travel and living abroad, and study across two disciplines totally 8 years and further. I dare say your comment above could have been written by Jewish Goy Take Down Central. A communique follows: “Give it up, Goyim. AS LONG AS YOU ARE IN OUR PENS AND BARNS, WE WILL CONTINUE TO REDUCE YOU, MORBIDLY AND MORTALLY.”

          Your comment, Mr. Frey, has worth only in that it shows what we must NOT allow ourselves, despondingly and despondingly, to think, and to NOT denigrate thoughtful and considered opinions from the worthy and deserving among us. Any serious Indo-European should have realized quite clearly by now that only a period of turmoil, centrifugal force, and coming apart-as in the examples furnished above-can we exercise our choices and necessities to become CENTRIPETAL. It is White Separatism, or annihilation and disappearance, like the Hittites, Nabateans, Hopis, etc. I felt embarrassed and dismissive of your self-indulgent, narcissistic diatribe.

          • Charles Frey
            Charles Frey says:

            Poupon Marx

            01 I do not know the word hopelessness, having had the good fortune, with God putting in overtime on my behalf, of always having been a few inches ahead of Ehrenburg’s swinish dicta.

            02 Fredrick the Great battled the expansionist Germanophobe Czarina Elizabeth, daughter of Peter the Great, in addition to France and Austria. The Russians defeated the Prussians at Gross-Jaegersdorf opening Prussia for invasion. Elizabeth suffered a stroke and her Army Chief and Germanophile successor withdrew and made peace with Fredrick, who ultimately won the Seven Year War.

            Hitler misinterpreted the timing of FDR’s death as a comparably good omen. Our self-sacrificing determination to the end need not be repeated here; nor its advantage to Western Europe.

            03 Unless ” your interestink comment ” was a senior’s fart, I shall invite the readers here to look up the English translation of the French meanings of Poupon.

            04 My comment prompted my question to name a credible leader, not the nonsense with which you attempt its derailment. Mercifully I never heard of Borg, except as the Imperative Case of the German verb to borrow. Perhaps another ‘ insider ‘ joke.

            05 No, I have never thought of hara kiri. Just this once I adhere to the Talmud’s dictum, that if you are going to be killed, rise and kill first.

            06 I am all in favor of Singapore’s heavy fines for spitting on the sidewalks and in their subway system, but don’t share your view as to how they won their independence.

            Lee Kwan Yew was of the very financially clever Chinese minority among the local natives. Even the predecessors to Mahatdir Mohammad, who called Soros a dirty little Jewish speculator, and in my opinion lost MH 370 as a reward for his comment, thought like Mahatdir. Enough to [[[ support ]]] Chinese-ethnic primacy and [[[ independence ]]] there.

            07 For the life of me, I don’t understand your reference to Czechoslovakia splitting into its component parts. They were always at odds about their financial overlords and only forced to join after WW I, to increase the tonnage of ” the new state pointed at the heart of Germany like a battleship “. Did the World Jewish Congress not convene there in 36 ? Did the disenfranchised Sudeten Germans not add 3.5 million tons ? Are the Slovaks not close to Hungary, while the Czech President promises to move his Embassy to Jerusalem as well ?

            08 Dr. Sunic may disagree with you, that the Croatians had a history similar to that of the other components. Only they lost 40,000 of their own to Tito’s death squads, courtesy of GB.

            09 I agree with your gene pool description but do not need to be reminded, yet again, of your engineering prowess and your silly comparisons. Not many here would change their fan belts without first turning off their engines.

            10 Your ” Jewish Goy Take Down Central ” comment is beneath contempt and plainly makes you sound, at the very least in my opinion, as an unmitigated a – -hole.

            The fact, that you simultaneously demand from me, not to
            ” denigrate thoughtful and considered opinions from the worthy and deserving among us ” !!! poses the question as to who is guilty of ” a narcissistic diatribe “.

            11 Your blessed Buddhism says: Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone while you are the one who gets burned. You are not even consistent in that : not that I disagree with you.

            I stood under the Bodhi Tree near Varanasi where he taught his initial five disciples, four times, months apart: your name among those who achieved a perfect state of enlightenment was not mentioned once.

    • Sutter
      Sutter says:

      That we need to think differently and better is true, but why Buddhism? The religion is about anti-violence and meditation. If these are the keys to happiness, then our current world is fine. How, if we are known to be non-violent, can we ever hope to pressure our way out of this mess?

      • Poupon Marx
        Poupon Marx says:

        Seek, explore, absorb, and study, and the answer to your question will unfold, Mr. Sutter.

      • Charles Frey
        Charles Frey says:

        Yes [Mr.] Sutter !

        Assume the Lotus position, gaze intently at your navel if you are less corpulent than Buddha and can indeed see it, or use a mirror: ” seek, explore, absorb, study and the answer to your question will unfold “, after you read a few dozen of Lenin’s tracts on how political power comes out of the end of a barrel of a gun.

        Peace and Love be unto you !

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